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Hey, Job. Hi.

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So we're back this week aboard Voyager.

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It's series 6, episode 25, the haunting of deck 12. and I gather

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that this is not a widely loved episode. don't think it's a widely

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remembered episode.

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Maybe anyone remembers this one at all.

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I mean, it's surrounded by stuff like, you know, Unimatrix 0 and

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uh, the Return of Cares in Fury, you know, uh, Dr. Zimmerman in

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Lifeline, stuff like that.

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So, you know, it's a standard Voyager episode, really.

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So, you know, it sort of just falls in the pack somewhere.

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I thought, though, that it was actually pretty well done.

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And now that we're in series six.

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Obviously we're kind of repeating stuff that we've done before, but

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I thought that this was very well directed.

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There's an important story, reason why it needs to make the ship

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look strange.

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Like it needs to make the ship look different from what we've ever

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seen before.

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And I think it really manages to do that really well.

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So I thought that that was a point in its favour.

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And then I actually thought that it sort of hung together

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thematically in a way.

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Like the central idea is haunting, right?

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And a haunting makes home scary.

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And so all of this.

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Obviously is about making Voyager scary for various reasons in

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different ways, but it also makes other homes scary.

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We have an alien character whom we never see properly is just a

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sort of special effect.

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But we do get to interact with them in a way that's also about

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making home scary.

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But its home is made scary as well, and it appears scary.

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And so Voyager, in some senses about that dichotomy, isn't it?

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Because they're trying to get home and they're going through a

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place that's mostly hostile.

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And so I thought all of that hung together really well, and there

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are different ways where the show makes things that seem familiar

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scary, and that's obviously what horror does.

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But then the other thing is the way that storytelling mediates

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that, the way we tell a story about a place is what makes it home

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or what makes it scary.

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And there's the framing story, which isn't like the framing story

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I think, in suspicions where it's just there because the story's

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underrunning and everything's kind of terrible.

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It's actually central to the episode.

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And Neelix is narrating, and I think that's one reason why

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everyone hates it because people hate Neelix for some reason.

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He's wonderful in that. absolutely good.

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Then the turbo lift fell at a terrible...

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Oh, you haven't eaten your snacks.

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Fuck the snacks.

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Tell us the story.

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Like, that's really great.

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And he tells stories within the story.

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And other people telling stories as well.

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And the way that we talk about things is what makes them home or

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what makes them scary.

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And so both of those ideas, I think, are there all the way

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through.

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And so even though it's a sort of, you know, there is something

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fairly generic or standard about it, but I think they just give it

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a little bit of extra oomph.

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And so I found myself kind of thinking about it for quite a bit

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afterwards, which is pretty unusual for sure, I think.

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I didn't even find myself thinking about it whilst I was watching

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so well done.

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The other thing too, which I think is really good, is there's a

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real central Star Trek idea to it because the haunting of deck 12

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that doesn't really come up until the end and the kids believe

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that there's a section on deck 12 that's haunted.

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But we discovered that the creature isn't haunting deck 12.

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It's living there. and it's living there while we take it home.

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It, like everyone else on the ship, is on the way home.

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And so the lesson that we learn, again, is the stories that we

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tell about things make a difference.

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If we think of it as haunting the place, it's a threat.

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If we think of it as living among us, it's one of us.

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And I think that that really Star Trek idea, which doesn't quite

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work and we'll get to there at the end, I think.

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But that's really central to what Star Trek's about too.

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And so I thought it was doing that as well.

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So I kind of liked it.

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I like that we don't see the alien.

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I like that it speaks to us through the ship.

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There's things that we see in the ship that we haven't seen before

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and there's a lot of Ethan Phillips and he's fabulous.

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So I have to say that I found myself liking it much, much more

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than I expected.

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You know I was far less impressed with this than you was.

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Yeah, and I went into thinking it was going to be really fun and

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schlocky and kind of a bit Genesis.

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And what really surprised me was it did just feel like a standard

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Voyager episode.

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And that disappoints me because there's an unreliable narrator

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here, and we know that because Nigger Nix is getting all the Tokno

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Babble wrong when he's telling the story, and we're having our

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usual Voyager characters speak the dreadful Tekno Babble, that

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he's making them say.

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So we know that he's telling a story and the story that we're

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seeing is his version of it.

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So I'm like, well, you could do anything with this then.

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If it's an unreliable narrator.

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The last time we had an unreliable narrator on Voyager, it was

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living witness.

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And everybody was, you know, crazy, evil, you know, evil Janeway

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executed members of her crew when they disappoint her.

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And the story that he chooses to tell is your stock voyager.

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Oh, we've gone through that cloud.

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We've taken a little bit of it with us and we've done that about

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15 times already.

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Oh, it's a live form.

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It just wants to get home.

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It doesn't want to kill us and we'll get it home the end.

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It's like, okay.

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And the bit I remember loving, which I talked about last week, is

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still great.

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Lots of handheld camera work.

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Neelix is at his boiling pot.

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All the lights are out.

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He's in the corridor.

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The doors are going crazy.

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Juvox there with his extreme close-up with his oxygen mask off

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like some scary monster.

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I remember this being more like that all the way through.

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And that was sort of the only time they did that.

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And then otherwise it's sort of turned the lights down, walk

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around the corridors, you know, there's a terrible CGI gas cloud

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with a face coming at people and things and, you know, it is a

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they are trying to do a horror story, but it isn't very scary as

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well.

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And I was like, you could have gone much further with this. than

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you do.

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I mean, I think the unreliable narrator thing is definitely not

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what it's going for.

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And I think that that that little thing is a dig at Voyager's use

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of technobabble.

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It's kind of an acknowledgement that it doesn't actually matter

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what those lines are.

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And if Neelix is making them up, it's not going to affect the

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story.

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And there are other little moments of unreliable narration.

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And I think that one of the things that it does, which Star Trek

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doesn't do all that often, is show us things from the perspective

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of a character that aren't really real.

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And so, for instance, the face, you know, a couple of times we see

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a gas cloud with a scary face coming at Neelix.

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I think that that's meant to be not what is really there, but what

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Neelix sees because he's scared.

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It's quite funny, you know.

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When he has the story, whether the story and it's everybody's

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celebrating his birthday and, you know, she goes, my God, she

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served up an evil gas cloud on your birthday, you know, but it's

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very funny.

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It's not scary.

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It is quite amusing.

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Well, that scene is brilliant and it's really good Neelix

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characterisation as well, which I think we'll kind of talk about

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when we get there. as well.

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Even when Neelix himself is narrating the banter on Voyager.

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Fucking hell it's so mundane.

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I mean, they just can't juice this terrible dialogue.

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Oh, can they?

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And I was messaging you at one point where I was like, my God, I

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thought there was going to be a little bit of subtext in one

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scene.

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No.

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By the end of the scene.

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They spell out exactly what was going on.

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Some Texas for cowards.

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I think my issue is here is I said to you, I think they are out of

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juice at this point.

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And whilst the sort of narration that this is hung on.

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Neelix is narration.

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That is kind of fresh.

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But it's kind of not as well because once upon a time was Neelix

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comforting a child going for a traumatic situation, you know?

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Like I said, Living Witness was an unreliable narrator.

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Obviously, we go through gas clouds on Voyager every week and in

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the title sequence.

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Yeah.

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You know, anomalies are us, is Voyager.

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You know, we've plunged the ship into darkness in one and done

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sort of spooky Voyager there.

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So none of this is original.

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They're not doing anything new.

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And this is their child.

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Series 6 is their chance to be the one Star Trek show on the air

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you know, push the show into new directions and they're not.

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And it is well executed. right.

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There is some really good direction in here.

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There's a surprising amount of handheld camera work in this, I

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noticed.

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And lots of, they like showing sort of how big the rooms are from

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above and things like that, which is really nice.

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And lots of tracking shots through the corridors, things like

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that.

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So they're pushing the style as much as they can.

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I just came out of it at the end going, yes, it's almost like

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someone sort of looked at Voyager as a whole.

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I went well, I'll have a bit of that.

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I have a bit of that.

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I have a bit of that. whoosh it all into one and there's our

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placeholder before the season finale.

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Yeah, I mean, I just thought, like, I thought it was a Voyager

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standby, but just done very well.

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And because some thought had been given to making the script, have

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some resonances so that it ends up being about something, that

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ties it all together in a way that I thought was kind of

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interesting.

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Uh, whereas I had expected it to be a bit like suspicions, uh, with

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with Neelix telling us...

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All right, we're gonna love it, aren't we?

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Yeah, yeah.

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But do you know what I mean?

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that it's Neelix telling the story is central to what's going on

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here.

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It's super important and it's not just we were underrunning by 5

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minutes or something and we need a framing story.

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I think come season six.

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They've sort of stopped trying to do interesting things with

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Niglix, like making him jealous and having relationships with, you

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know, 2 year olds and terrible things that they were doing early

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on.

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And they just write Neelix as a very charming, funny character

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which Ethan Phillips can do effortlessly.

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So given him an episode like this, I'm all for that, my, you know

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my other big thing, we'll get there was at the end, I really

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wanted this story, just to be, a total bullshit story.

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I told the kids, just to, they just couldn't do it.

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It can't be that because then it doesn't really matter.

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Well, that don't matter.

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We've been entertained for an hour.

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I know, I know.

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But for the thing to land.

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I think the problem is that what happens is his story gets too

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scary.

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And so his solution to that is, tell them it never happened, and

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then they all go back to sleep, and then he goes to the bridge and

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gets the real resolution, and the real resolution is proper Star

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Trek.

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It's something the kids should be there to hear that it's not a

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haunting at all and that is just something that's lost its home

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and we're taking it back because, of course, we're Starfleet.

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And so I thought that that was a shame.

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You know, it doesn't quite work.

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I just I wanted Neelix to walk on sort of bridge and go, oh, well

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I just told him some bullshit story.

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Yeah, you know, all of all of our adventures.

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They just can't do it, can they?

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I think that's a better ending.

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They cannot take the piss out of themselves.

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Oh, I do.

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Well, because then in the end, what it turns out is the story he's

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told the kids is a boring Voyager episode made up of old Voyager

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Pass.

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Yeah, but I think it's a well-done Voyager episode that tries to

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do things that the show's done before only better and that hangs

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together really quite well because it has a central idea to it.

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And so I don't think it would be solved by him just going in and

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throwing the whole thing away.

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I think it would have been improved by having the kids see the

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ending.

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But as it is, it's kind of like, we're not going to tell that

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story, that story where our solution is don't worry, it never

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happened.

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That's a bad solution, here's the proper solution, and we're

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helping the thing.

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Oh, we can term that, though.

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I wouldn't say it never happened.

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I'd have just scare them for the sake of that, you know, just to

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distract them.

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The other thing too, that I think is really great, is that Neelix

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is trying to comfort them when the ship goes strange and becomes

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dangerous.

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Do you know what I mean?

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All the power gets turned off.

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Everything is sort of strange and weird.

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And we get quite a long sequence of all the different sets with

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all the lights turning off in a really thorough way.

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You know, there's no other lights or anything like that, it just

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goes dark.

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It is pretty great.

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And he's trying to comfort them.

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But the way he comforts them, more distracts them, at least is by

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making them more scared.

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And the other thing that I think is great.

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Kids are really good.

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Yeah, they are fun.

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Really good.

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They're probably funny.

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So each in a way that they were just terrible in collection.

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Yeah, so we did collect it.

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So they do 5 episodes, I think, right?

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So collective is their arrival.

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They do ashes to ashes, which is like that woman that, um, Harry

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Kim. a Harry Kim episode about a woman who comes back from the

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dead, but she's an alien or whatever.

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They do child's play with each Eb's fake parents.

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So they're just they're just a B plot, I think, in ashes to

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ashes.

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They're child's play.

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At least they're doing something with something.

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Then child's play is about each end particularly and it's got that

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guy.

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What's his name?

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The guy from the X-Files?

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Mark Shepard?

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Mark Shepard. right.

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Yeah.

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And then the haunting of deck 12, and then they're gone in

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imperfection.

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They decide they decide between Caesars.

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Yeah, we don't really well.

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And it's a voiceover.

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Oh, well, we dropped them all off.

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We seem to have found all of their colony worlds.

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Yeah, yeah, that's it.

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They're gone.

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But what I think is that their participation in the haunting of

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deck 12 kind of, that's enough.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Because they're really great in it.

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They're super kind of hostile.

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They've taken the cue from 7 that they're kind of not impressed by

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any of your shit, you know. and so so they're kind of refusing to

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be scared and they're also a little bit morbid as well.

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Like, they're kind of funny.

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There's that bit where Mazotti, he's got this inset story where he

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talks about a talaxianship where they all die and he's telling

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that story to Tuvok inside the inset story.

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And then he kind of realises, oh, wait, I'm actually also telling

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that to these children here, because I'm narrating the story to

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too.

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I'm also narrating the story to them.

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And is that appropriate for them and they're really into it and

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they want to know if they were eating each other and stuff from

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the end?

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So the kids aren't, they're not moppets.

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There's not a lot of moppetry, like the 2 little twin boys are a

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little bit scared.

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Rosotti is great, and so is each have, but I really like them.

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I suppose.

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Well, he sort of manoeuvres the story around their responses as

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well, which is quite fun.

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I like the fact that they're Star Trek nerds and they go, well, no

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that's terrible Technobam.

348
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You obviously misheard.

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All right?

350
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I've got the technical manual, okay?

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And that's not a real thing.

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Yeah, which is really fun.

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And I'll tell you what, but before we go, my one last non-serious

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but something I never thought I would say.

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And that is, I think there's a scene in here that Kate Mulgrew

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bombs.

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Oh, wow, okay.

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It's a big moment at the climax where she's coughing and wretched

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and screaming her head off and it's like, oh, she's clearly had a

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long day and she's like, oh, I just got to go for it.

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I thought, what are you doing, Kate?

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She's going, I'm like, Jesus Christ.

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Don't make a cough.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Very strange.

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Very strange.

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You know, not quite as bad as when they slathered all that latex

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over her face in coarse oblivion.

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Nothing, you know, could be as bad as that.

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With that lost thing coming out of her nose.

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All right.

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I think we should go.

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Let's watch this old nonsense, shall we?

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All right, then.

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Well, I will count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I do love the title, you know, the haunting of deck 12.

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Yeah, well, you see, the thing, interesting thing about it is that

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it's not about the haunting of deck 12, and that doesn't actually

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get mentioned until later, it does turn it into a ghost story.

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It's a ghost story title, isn't it?

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But it also puts the haunting central, you know, in what we're

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thinking about.

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I love thing I wanted to make.

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Was it J.

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Chatway doing the music?

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I really noticed the music in this world, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Like this at the beginning here, there's lots of sort of eerie

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ominous underscoring of, you know, things aren't what they say.

391
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Oh, here we go.

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We're doing the schlocky shock straight away.

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Yeah. 7 of 9 walks into a room.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So, like, again, you know, we're getting the idea of something

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that happened the last time, and this is another thing that I like

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and it's a thing that Voyager does quite often and does quite well

399
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is it starts us off in the middle of a situation and just lets us

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find out what's happening.

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Now, often it just lets us find out what's happening with an info

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dump, you know, after the opening credits or whatever.

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But here, you know, like, I think that is pretty good.

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And what we do get to see.

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Like it starts with making the ship scary.

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Yeah?

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They're not scared of everything on the ship now, and Neelix is

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just jumpy because of the darkness and stuff, and presumably

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because he was scared of the previous nebula.

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Now, here's the thing that fails, I reckon, right?

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So you, what?

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Kate Mulgrew's hair?

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No, it's not my favourite hair, but it's fine.

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So that special effect there on the on the screen is supposed to

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be scary, but it's quite pretty, isn't it?

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isn't.

417
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Yeah.

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Harry says it looks like a vampire bat.

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Um, uh, uh, Tom Parrow says that it looks like something out of

420
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Edgar Alan Poe.

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And then at the end, it's supposed to look inviting.

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So it's got to look like something scary and it's got to end up

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being home, right, at the end of the episode because that's our

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theme.

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And it doesn't, doesn't manage it because they can't get the

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special effects right.

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It's the thought of encuts when Trek could do brilliantly now

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isn't it?

429
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Yeah.

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But it's just their standard.

431
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Oh, here we go.

432
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I do love all of those things.

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Turn the lights down.

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All the corridors are going dark.

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And even the red alert light goes off, like this where he has to

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switch himself off, and as the camera sweeps past the lights turn

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off behind him, like the lights, he leaves a, you know, the lights

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turn off as the camera moves away.

439
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It's a succession of lights going off in order, isn't it?

440
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That does take some skill to do right.

441
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They must they must have had to have done it a couple of times.

442
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Yeah, yeah.

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I think it's really good.

444
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Like, I think it is really good, and then you get the scared

445
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reaction.

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E chip.

447
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Whatever happened to his eye, E chip.

448
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Oh, they would have made one.

449
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Oh, no, shut down, the poor LE champ.

450
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Maybe rest in peace.

451
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Oh my god, that's the scariest thing in the whole episode.

452
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That close-up on Neelix in the dark, baby.

453
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It's disgusting teeth.

454
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Yeah, so horrible, aren't they?

455
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What did they do to Ethan Phillips?

456
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I mean, all of that latex and that hair on his face?

457
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I know, bless him.

458
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Yeah, so this is much darker and it means that we get just

459
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practical lights on the set and not the normal key lighting that

460
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we normally get.

461
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Say, look, that is just your standard voyager nebula.

462
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They're going for it.

463
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Yeah, it should look scarier.

464
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It should look scarier because look, that that nebula there.

465
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The title sequence is a bit scary.

466
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It's not a nebula.

467
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That's a sun thing.

468
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Corona or something.

469
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Yeah, yeah.

470
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It looks like it's belching though, doesn't it?

471
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Yeah, yeah.

472
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No, that's the start.

473
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We got the nebula coming up, which they skid through.

474
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So, yeah, yeah, it's got to go from scary to home.

475
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Do you know what I mean?

476
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Because that becomes home at the end.

477
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And that's the journey, the, you know, the arc that the, um, that

478
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the alien follows.

479
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But yes, they can't do it visually.

480
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They can't properly sell it.

481
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So they're not going to do it on the exterior of the ship.

482
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They do attempt to do it on the interior of the ship.

483
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But like I said, we do plunge Voyager into darkness every 3rd

484
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week.

485
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Yeah, that is true.

486
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And we also make it scary too, like in the killing game or in

487
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deadlock or a twisted.

488
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You know, we make it weird, we make it not home, even basics is

489
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kind of about making the ship not home anymore.

490
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And so in one, they really accentuate, they make 7 small in every

491
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scene.

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So you feel that she's in a big space all on her own, you know?

493
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I mean, I don't I don't think the the sort of visual ticks they do

494
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in this are bad.

495
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I think they're effective.

496
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And there are some really fun shots, like properly fun shots.

497
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It is a bit has been, though, you know?

498
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

499
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But, you know, like I do, I do like hanging out on a creepy

500
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starship, though. like I'm a Star Trek fan, right?

501
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Even though we have been doing this for the last, you know, 15

502
00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:18.720
seasons. 90s trek. that's right That's right.

503
00:22:18.779 --> 00:22:20.279
It's one of the tropes we like.

504
00:22:20.339 --> 00:22:23.339
Just hanging out with our crew in a creepy ship.

505
00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:24.599
Yeah.

506
00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:28.019
Oh, I do like, I do like him turning the light on and making it

507
00:22:28.019 --> 00:22:28.740
like a campfire.

508
00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:29.819
That's really gorgeous.

509
00:22:31.140 --> 00:22:34.859
Yes, and he brings snacks, doesn't he?

510
00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:37.019
Yeah, I think this is really cute.

511
00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:38.400
I do think this is cute.

512
00:22:38.460 --> 00:22:40.019
So shit with the Tenobabble.

513
00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:44.759
We don't want to attract any residual EM radiation, do we?

514
00:22:44.819 --> 00:22:46.799
And that's actually really great, isn't it?

515
00:22:46.859 --> 00:22:50.339
Because it foreshadows the moment where E-Cheb pulls him up for

516
00:22:50.339 --> 00:22:54.839
talking about Nadie on emissions or something.

517
00:22:54.900 --> 00:22:55.799
It is really good.

518
00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:59.640
Especially when he asks the actual character to say his terrible

519
00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:00.539
temper battle.

520
00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:02.819
Oh, he's such a good babysitter as well.

521
00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:05.579
Look, I says, come on, I brought toys and snacks and games.

522
00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:06.299
Let's go.

523
00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:08.880
I'd love for him to be my babysitter.

524
00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:10.200
They're great, aren't they?

525
00:23:10.259 --> 00:23:13.380
There's that shot of all 4 of them, Floddermeads, Trebus.

526
00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:16.319
No, Vlot means the invincible invertebrates.

527
00:23:16.380 --> 00:23:19.799
But look at that shot of them all just standing there impassively

528
00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:22.799
absolutely unimpressed by anything that he's trying to do.

529
00:23:22.859 --> 00:23:25.619
And like they're just standing there judging him.

530
00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:28.500
I think that's great that like having the kids...

531
00:23:28.619 --> 00:23:32.279
Within 5 minutes, Nathan. in the palm of his hands, you know, he's

532
00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:34.680
like, right, I'm going to scare the little fuckers then.

533
00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:35.160
Let's go.

534
00:23:35.220 --> 00:23:36.720
Yeah, here we go.

535
00:23:36.779 --> 00:23:38.880
So Dex 12 comes in earlier than I thought.

536
00:23:38.940 --> 00:23:42.299
She says it's haunted right, you know, right at the beginning.

537
00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:45.420
Oh, Naomi isn't in it too.

538
00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:46.319
I had forgotten that.

539
00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:49.259
And I'm glad she's not. for some reason.

540
00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:52.559
Yeah, so she is braiding Mazotti's hair.

541
00:23:52.619 --> 00:23:54.299
That's why it's braided.

542
00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:56.220
We've learned that.

543
00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:58.200
But I just...

544
00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:00.599
I think Niibi's got too big for her booze since she got an

545
00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:02.579
honourable mention in the 30 under 30s.

546
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:03.180
You know?

547
00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:08.339
That's right, that's right. being involved in this nonsense

548
00:24:08.339 --> 00:24:09.119
anymore, you know?

549
00:24:09.180 --> 00:24:10.859
I'm somebody now.

550
00:24:11.099 --> 00:24:14.160
The kids, the boys are really cute too.

551
00:24:14.220 --> 00:24:15.660
They get hardly any lines.

552
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:17.400
The 2 little boys, the twins.

553
00:24:17.460 --> 00:24:19.920
But they're properly scared.

554
00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:23.579
You know, like Mazzotti and Gelchaper are aggressive.

555
00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:26.940
They've given them clothes as well.

556
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:28.380
I don't know if you remember and collective.

557
00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:29.880
Oh boy.

558
00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:32.279
They're terrible Star Trek clothes.

559
00:24:32.339 --> 00:24:35.099
It's not a tale for the feint of heart, you know.

560
00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:40.319
We were exploring a dark nebula.

561
00:24:40.380 --> 00:24:45.180
Oh, go on, Neelix. yeah Oh, look at these implements sort of

562
00:24:45.180 --> 00:24:46.440
dancing around.

563
00:24:46.500 --> 00:24:51.660
Actually, I really like Neelix's reaction here because again, for

564
00:24:51.660 --> 00:24:55.440
the alien, this is home, but for Neelix, this is a terrifying

565
00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:56.400
place, right?

566
00:24:56.460 --> 00:24:59.460
And it's the windows.

567
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:01.859
And I think putting curtains in the mess hall.

568
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:04.859
This is not the only time it gets mentioned, I think.

569
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:07.680
No, did you not notice later in the episode?

570
00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:09.900
He's holding material. holding material, yeah?

571
00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:15.960
But I really like, because he doesn't, he suggests curtains.

572
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:17.039
These are just curtains.

573
00:25:17.099 --> 00:25:20.759
Like, um, I think 2 Voggs suggest curtains, doesn't it?

574
00:25:20.819 --> 00:25:22.799
And rather than saying, why?

575
00:25:22.859 --> 00:25:24.599
Often that nephew looks very nice.

576
00:25:24.660 --> 00:25:25.559
You know?

577
00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:29.279
He, he has that thing where you, he, he can't see anything.

578
00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:31.859
And in fact, I actually quite like this because it's another

579
00:25:31.859 --> 00:25:33.180
little story he tells.

580
00:25:33.299 --> 00:25:38.160
So he tells Tuvoka story at this point, the 1st inset story, and

581
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:42.359
he tells it and it's about how Talaxia got obscured by a nebula

582
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:45.660
going into the system, and no one could see the sun or the moons

583
00:25:45.660 --> 00:25:47.880
or anything like that for ages.

584
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:50.220
Did you hear what you said there as well?

585
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:52.859
The buzzard, choose box.

586
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:55.380
The buzzard collectors are running at maximum.

587
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:56.339
Oh, yeah, the hell.

588
00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:58.380
Oh, no, they're a known thing.

589
00:25:58.440 --> 00:25:59.460
They're on themselves.

590
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:00.599
They collect...

591
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:01.799
Oh, it sounds like bullshit.

592
00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:06.779
I was like, this is going to be a nice scene because Neelix is

593
00:26:06.779 --> 00:26:10.380
saying that the crew is scared when we can tell that it's Neelix

594
00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:10.920
is scared.

595
00:26:10.980 --> 00:26:14.519
And Truvoc is going to notice and he's going to say, well, you

596
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:17.519
know, tell the crew that everything's okay and the butter

597
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:18.779
collectors are working.

598
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:20.940
No, we don't do none of that, do we?

599
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:23.160
No, Tuvok goes, I don't think it's the crew.

600
00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:24.299
Because you're scared, Nigelix.

601
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:24.720
It's you.

602
00:26:24.779 --> 00:26:25.619
Oh boy.

603
00:26:25.740 --> 00:26:28.200
But look at the look at like even we're having the conversation

604
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:29.579
about installing curtains.

605
00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:31.259
And he goes, that's an excellent idea.

606
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:32.700
But they're close-up.

607
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:36.779
Like they're side on and their face is really, really close up and

608
00:26:36.779 --> 00:26:38.039
they're nodding the shot together.

609
00:26:38.099 --> 00:26:41.579
So there's something odd about the way it's directed already, and

610
00:26:41.579 --> 00:26:44.700
it's something that emphasises in particular how Neelix is feeling

611
00:26:44.700 --> 00:26:47.339
but it's right up in his face and right up in Tuvok's face.

612
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:51.119
Now, because they've set the cameras up in all the ceilings of all

613
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:54.240
the sets, you know, when the lights went out, we had a high angle

614
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:54.779
shot.

615
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:56.279
So now the cameras are up there.

616
00:26:56.339 --> 00:26:59.400
So throughout the episode, now watch, we have lots of shots as we

617
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:02.400
go back to the veras locations from above, which is quite nice.

618
00:27:02.460 --> 00:27:03.000
Yeah.

619
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:05.819
Poor Janeway.

620
00:27:05.940 --> 00:27:09.420
I mean, the one quote of this on memory alpha, there was only one

621
00:27:09.420 --> 00:27:12.960
was that Janeway, sorry, Kate Mulgrew quite enjoyed doing this

622
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:13.259
episode.

623
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:13.920
Yeah.

624
00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:17.579
But she had no idea what she was talking about because she only

625
00:27:17.579 --> 00:27:19.500
spoke Tetla Babw throughout the entire episode.

626
00:27:19.740 --> 00:27:21.660
Yeah, yeah, it's a bit crap, isn't it?

627
00:27:21.779 --> 00:27:24.240
What a waste of Kate, obviously.

628
00:27:24.299 --> 00:27:25.859
Look at the kids.

629
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:27.420
Look at the 2 little boys.

630
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:28.380
They're so enthused.

631
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:30.180
It's so funny.

632
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:31.619
I couldn't see any rocks.

633
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:33.059
No no rocks.

634
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:38.460
We do have an explanation for those in, um, uh, in lower decks

635
00:27:38.460 --> 00:27:39.059
what they are.

636
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:43.500
Yeah, I can't remember, but there's a name for them. and they do a

637
00:27:43.500 --> 00:27:44.279
thing on the ship.

638
00:27:44.339 --> 00:27:47.339
There's a reason why there are rocks in all the bulkheads.

639
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:48.900
It's a thing.

640
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.180
Well, they kill enough people.

641
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:55.200
I mean, they justify your design decisions.

642
00:27:55.259 --> 00:27:55.980
Okay.

643
00:27:55.980 --> 00:28:00.000
Oh no, there's a sort of little electrical charge snacked on the

644
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:00.359
ship there.

645
00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:05.279
I'm glad that we don't properly see it ever, and we never interact

646
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:09.660
with it directly, because it interacts with them by making home

647
00:28:09.660 --> 00:28:10.680
weird, doesn't it?

648
00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:11.700
Like that's what it does.

649
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.359
Did you notice how every single cut into the ad brake was Niglix

650
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:16.859
given us a little taster?

651
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:20.279
you know, you didn't realise was we had a stowaway on board this

652
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:20.640
ship.

653
00:28:20.700 --> 00:28:21.599
Dun, dun, dun.

654
00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:22.740
I really like that.

655
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:25.500
That's properly holding to the bit, isn't it?

656
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:30.359
Like, because this is the, this is the story and everything else

657
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:31.440
is the flashback.

658
00:28:31.500 --> 00:28:36.119
And so all of the cliffhangers...

659
00:28:36.180 --> 00:28:37.799
They're naming all these boring species.

660
00:28:37.859 --> 00:28:39.059
No, it's not that one.

661
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:40.019
No, it's not that one.

662
00:28:40.740 --> 00:28:41.579
It's species.

663
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.339
It's none of those species that you know, right?

664
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:45.059
I'm telling the story.

665
00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:46.259
He says, yeah.

666
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:50.700
Either we can debate comparative xenobiology or I can tell you the

667
00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:51.059
story.

668
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:52.680
And they both agree.

669
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:54.420
And look at each ship.

670
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:56.099
He says it really menacingly.

671
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:01.019
I said to you, didn't I?

672
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:02.880
How nice and needless his story.

673
00:29:02.940 --> 00:29:06.720
He manages to insert lots of exterior voyager things as well.

674
00:29:06.779 --> 00:29:09.539
With the ship flying past the camera. shot.

675
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:12.660
So why are we looking at her through the replicator?

676
00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:15.839
And then she walks off.

677
00:29:15.900 --> 00:29:18.000
It makes this space look really weird.

678
00:29:18.059 --> 00:29:20.759
We will go back to that shock shot.

679
00:29:20.819 --> 00:29:22.920
But that shot is really great, I think.

680
00:29:23.099 --> 00:29:27.299
I think the director took one look at this script and thought, do

681
00:29:27.299 --> 00:29:27.720
you know what?

682
00:29:27.779 --> 00:29:29.339
I've got to juice this up a bit, you know?

683
00:29:29.339 --> 00:29:31.259
I'm going to shoot through the replicator.

684
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:32.400
He's doing the right thing.

685
00:29:32.460 --> 00:29:34.619
He's got to make the ship look unsettling.

686
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:35.220
And look at this.

687
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:39.599
There's the coffee appear, then it splats everywhere. and then the

688
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:40.680
cup appears after that.

689
00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:41.279
That's great.

690
00:29:41.339 --> 00:29:44.339
I mean, it's the one beat of Jane Mayer.

691
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:46.859
I truly agree with, you know, if I don't have a cup of coffee in

692
00:29:46.859 --> 00:29:47.160
the morning.

693
00:29:47.220 --> 00:29:48.779
I'm fucking miserable too.

694
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:49.559
Me too.

695
00:29:49.619 --> 00:29:54.059
So this thing here, where she talks to Voyager.

696
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:55.559
Now we...

697
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:58.859
That's such a writerly thing.

698
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:00.839
We've never had any evidence of it.

699
00:30:00.900 --> 00:30:07.079
And then, like, horrible, poor old medium, Oh, what did you talk

700
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.839
about, she says.

701
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:10.619
Oh, what did you talk about?

702
00:30:10.619 --> 00:30:11.220
she says.

703
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:13.259
Oh, that's between the 2 of us.

704
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:13.920
I'm afraid.

705
00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:15.000
It's like not funny.

706
00:30:15.059 --> 00:30:16.859
That's really me. boring.

707
00:30:19.140 --> 00:30:23.819
But she does talk to it again, but of course, that sets up the

708
00:30:23.819 --> 00:30:27.299
thing where her interaction with the alien is, of course, her

709
00:30:27.299 --> 00:30:28.079
talking to the ship.

710
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.119
So, yeah.

711
00:30:30.180 --> 00:30:31.740
And so the ship goes...

712
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.259
I like to think that Neelix has been paying attention and he knows

713
00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:36.960
that they have these quirks every now and again that get mentioned

714
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:40.799
and somehow he knows that conversation happened, but like

715
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:41.220
whatever.

716
00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:47.819
But you remember that time when I was on the bridge and she

717
00:30:47.819 --> 00:30:49.980
touched her badge?

718
00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:52.019
I'll tell you what, I'm going to add a bit of this to the story.

719
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:52.680
Yeah.

720
00:30:53.819 --> 00:30:55.200
Oh God, here we go.

721
00:30:55.259 --> 00:30:56.819
The worst, Robert.

722
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:57.839
Shut up, Robert.

723
00:30:57.900 --> 00:31:00.660
He only gets about 3 lines in this, aren't he?

724
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.900
Oh, he does get his face exploded later, which is a bit of a

725
00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:05.039
relief, really, frankly.

726
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:07.619
Yeah, yeah.

727
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:08.640
Yeah.

728
00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:12.599
So, like, I don't know.

729
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.400
I don't know.

730
00:31:14.460 --> 00:31:16.920
So this is the ship starting to behave oddly, isn't it?

731
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:18.059
Because it's under the command.

732
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:19.920
It's like under the control of the thing.

733
00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:22.859
And we later discovered that it's systematically going through all

734
00:31:22.859 --> 00:31:27.000
the systems and trying to learn it and eventually it just becomes

735
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:27.539
the sheep.

736
00:31:27.660 --> 00:31:31.680
So this isn't the, the, the computer going wrong here.

737
00:31:31.740 --> 00:31:33.180
This is the life form.

738
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:35.579
Well, identifying everybody that's on the ship.

739
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:41.940
Well, yeah, identifying everyone, and that, did you all, did your

740
00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:46.440
um, my subtitle said it was Ensign Borak, uh, in somewhere?

741
00:31:46.500 --> 00:31:52.259
But it's clearly Ensign Vorak. from, um, uh, Prime Factors or

742
00:31:52.259 --> 00:31:52.500
whatever?

743
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:53.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

744
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:54.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

745
00:31:54.299 --> 00:31:55.140
It's another later...

746
00:31:55.140 --> 00:31:58.200
I have sex with Vilana when she was in her Pomfire.

747
00:31:58.259 --> 00:31:59.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

748
00:31:59.160 --> 00:31:59.460
Yeah.

749
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.519
I mean, that was a bit boring.

750
00:32:02.579 --> 00:32:05.579
Oh no, Commander Shakotay, the lift took him to the wrong place.

751
00:32:07.140 --> 00:32:12.059
Except that we're saving money here by having Neelix narrated

752
00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:16.680
rather than having Robert Beltran hanging from the ceiling of the

753
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:17.039
set.

754
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:19.619
And it's actually much more fun, isn't it?

755
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:20.940
Because look at the kid's reaction.

756
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.099
The kids are on the edge of their seat.

757
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:26.339
Even Echeb, who has been really aggressive and kind of

758
00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:27.119
dismissive.

759
00:32:27.180 --> 00:32:28.259
And look at the kids.

760
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:29.460
Like, their reaction is so cute.

761
00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:34.019
He knows how to cut a cliffhanger and then go, oh, wheat your

762
00:32:34.019 --> 00:32:34.380
snacks.

763
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:34.859
Come on now.

764
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:36.119
I prepared these carrots for me.

765
00:32:36.180 --> 00:32:38.339
Doesn't each of reply snacks are irrelevant.

766
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:39.839
Like it's...

767
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:43.200
Tell the fucking story, all right?

768
00:32:43.259 --> 00:32:46.259
So his commander Chakotay's still alive.

769
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:49.680
You know, he said, by the time you got to engineering.

770
00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:52.440
Commander Chakotay was very angry, although I couldn't really tell

771
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.359
any difference from his normal performance.

772
00:32:54.420 --> 00:32:55.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

773
00:32:55.259 --> 00:32:57.420
Belcher doesn't do emotion at this point.

774
00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:58.619
Not really, he's given up.

775
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:05.519
So this is Tal sellers, the Ensign, is she an Ensign?

776
00:33:05.579 --> 00:33:06.359
No, she's a crewman.

777
00:33:06.420 --> 00:33:07.740
She is, yeah.

778
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:11.460
Yeah, we did our version of sort of lower decks with a bunch of

779
00:33:11.460 --> 00:33:15.539
nobodies that aren't really up to spec in series 6 and she was in

780
00:33:15.539 --> 00:33:15.839
that one.

781
00:33:15.900 --> 00:33:17.519
Yeah, it wasn't prime factors.

782
00:33:17.579 --> 00:33:21.900
What's the episode, what's the episode where Tuvok has its

783
00:33:21.900 --> 00:33:23.640
learning curve is what I'm thinking of.

784
00:33:23.700 --> 00:33:28.500
And so it's so she's in a later episode called Good Shepherd, which

785
00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:30.240
is kind of like learning that.

786
00:33:30.299 --> 00:33:35.700
But later, Janeway takes 4 crew members on a shuttle on a little

787
00:33:35.700 --> 00:33:38.819
mission because all of them are, well, very bad at their jobs.

788
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:41.160
Oh, look, look at the gel packs.

789
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:42.660
I bet it's the cheese.

790
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:43.740
Is that cheese about?

791
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:44.759
No, no cheese this week.

792
00:33:44.819 --> 00:33:45.779
Are you sure?

793
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.380
Look at it. actually quite a lot of shooting them through.

794
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.779
So this is a little bit like shooting them from out of the

795
00:33:51.779 --> 00:33:55.680
replicator, shooting them through things, having things out of

796
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:56.640
focus in the fork.

797
00:33:56.700 --> 00:33:59.579
Nathan, this is standard sort of camera work practice.

798
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:01.740
It's only because we're watching Star Trek and it's usually so

799
00:34:01.740 --> 00:34:02.039
boring.

800
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:03.599
So we're pointing this out.

801
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:07.619
But it's also deliberately being done in order to make the ship

802
00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:10.739
weird because we get to see the ship in a way that we've never

803
00:34:10.739 --> 00:34:11.280
seen it before.

804
00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:14.280
I did think this was a mistake though, right?

805
00:34:14.340 --> 00:34:17.400
This bit in a minute with 7 of 9 where she just casually walks

806
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:20.699
into the corridor and is utterly unimpressed at the danger that

807
00:34:20.699 --> 00:34:21.179
she's in.

808
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.340
I'm like, you're doing a fucking horror story.

809
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:27.719
You need to be showing people scared She's so like, oh, well, and

810
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:29.159
pushes a few buttons and it's gone.

811
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:33.659
I think it's more important not to ruin... singing shock.

812
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:34.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

813
00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:36.179
It's quite a good one too, isn't it?

814
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.099
I think it's more important.

815
00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:39.000
You know what it looks like?

816
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:40.139
What do you think?

817
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:41.400
That gaseous cloud.

818
00:34:41.460 --> 00:34:45.840
It looks a bit like the sort of era that Species 8472 came from

819
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:49.440
and it looks like the era of space that the male on were dumping

820
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:49.619
there.

821
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:52.920
I think they've got 11 special effect and they just keep using

822
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:53.099
it.

823
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:53.940
I think they might.

824
00:34:54.000 --> 00:35:00.719
Um, So, I mean, she's doing a very kind of low-key, slightly

825
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:02.820
anxious thing, but I wouldn't want to see her scared or

826
00:35:02.820 --> 00:35:03.300
distressed.

827
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:04.559
It's more important.

828
00:35:04.619 --> 00:35:05.519
Yeah, because it's her.

829
00:35:05.579 --> 00:35:08.340
Look how casually she walks away from it.

830
00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:11.219
There was a concerned eyebrow there.

831
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:12.300
Yeah, she's not even running.

832
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.599
And now she looks just slightly pissed off. eyebrow.

833
00:35:15.659 --> 00:35:16.800
Yeah, my God, I'm terrified.

834
00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:18.000
Slightly pissed off.

835
00:35:18.059 --> 00:35:20.460
And then look, look how she goes to the floor.

836
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.219
Very sort of gently.

837
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.199
He lies himself gently to the ground.

838
00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:29.280
Jerry Ryan knows this is a filler episode and she's not going to

839
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:29.880
give it her best.

840
00:35:29.940 --> 00:35:32.340
But yeah, yeah.

841
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:33.059
Yeah.

842
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:38.460
I think that we need to be the kids need to be scared for her, but

843
00:35:38.460 --> 00:35:40.739
we don't need to see her scared, I think.

844
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:42.599
Because she's like their mum, isn't she?

845
00:35:42.659 --> 00:35:44.340
So fair enough, you know.

846
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:45.300
Yeah.

847
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:47.159
And I don't want to see 7 scared.

848
00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:48.960
The thing about her is she's fabulously cool.

849
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:50.099
There we go.

850
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:52.260
Look, they've done another jump scare in Neelix's face.

851
00:35:55.980 --> 00:35:59.699
I think I'm a few seconds ahead of you, you know. possibly.

852
00:36:03.780 --> 00:36:06.840
Seven was trapped in the force fields, fortunately for her.

853
00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:09.840
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

854
00:36:09.900 --> 00:36:12.539
Have you noticed how Balana's been using the old crimper on her

855
00:36:12.539 --> 00:36:13.199
hair this season?

856
00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:14.159
I don't like it.

857
00:36:14.219 --> 00:36:15.119
I'm not a big fan.

858
00:36:15.179 --> 00:36:18.059
It is a thing, but I don't know.

859
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:21.659
I mean, she's clearly I mean, it's all wig, isn't it?

860
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:22.800
It's all bloody weak.

861
00:36:22.860 --> 00:36:25.199
Well, of course it is because she's got that prosthetic on her

862
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:25.679
forehead.

863
00:36:25.739 --> 00:36:26.219
Yeah.

864
00:36:27.539 --> 00:36:31.500
I quite like how he just shoots the panel, like, that's pretty

865
00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:31.800
good.

866
00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:33.960
Like, he's just going, fuck it, I'm shooting the panel.

867
00:36:34.019 --> 00:36:35.940
That was hilarious.

868
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.639
I really laughed out loud on that where Neelix starts the scene

869
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:41.760
going, well, we were all just getting on as usual, oblivious to

870
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:45.360
what was going on, and the director chooses to have him putting

871
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:48.840
all these spices in the pan for ages going, la, la, la.

872
00:36:49.500 --> 00:36:51.360
It's really great.

873
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:55.320
Is that what you spend most of your time doing?

874
00:36:55.380 --> 00:36:56.940
awesome, isn't it?

875
00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:01.380
There again, we're shooting from in the ceiling, you know, like on

876
00:37:01.380 --> 00:37:02.940
the meth or...

877
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:04.739
Flickering lights.

878
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:07.860
We're doing sort of standard sort of haunted house effects here

879
00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:08.159
now.

880
00:37:08.219 --> 00:37:12.119
We're coming up to my favourite bit in a minute with the doors.

881
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:15.719
Now that's great though.

882
00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:18.360
When the lights go out and it's just the flames from the pan.

883
00:37:18.420 --> 00:37:21.420
Yeah, yeah, it looks really good and he just leaves that on.

884
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:25.500
But, and that look, too, where he's properly scared for a 2nd and

885
00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:28.739
he gives a little facial expression and a little grunt and stuff

886
00:37:28.739 --> 00:37:31.079
that we've never really seen Neelix do before.

887
00:37:31.139 --> 00:37:32.400
I thought that was pretty good.

888
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:36.659
You know, he couldn't mention the other episodes, you know, he

889
00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:38.699
just went, Voyager was dead in space.

890
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:42.239
A bit like the episode night, you know, when we had no lights.

891
00:37:45.300 --> 00:37:46.139
Oh, dear.

892
00:37:46.139 --> 00:37:47.159
What's you talking about?

893
00:37:47.219 --> 00:37:48.840
The next M plus planetoid.

894
00:37:48.900 --> 00:37:50.940
I'll give you a nice maintenance overhaul.

895
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.500
I'll actually talk about it.

896
00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:54.420
A nice spa massage.

897
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:54.840
Yeah.

898
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:59.880
I mean, she does have a conversation with Voyager in the year of

899
00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:00.599
hell, you know.

900
00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:03.059
She says to the ship, if you get us out of this.

901
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:04.440
I promise you.

902
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.880
Unfortunately, that entire year is rewritten.

903
00:38:08.940 --> 00:38:09.840
Yes, it never happens.

904
00:38:09.900 --> 00:38:11.219
It never happened.

905
00:38:11.340 --> 00:38:14.340
It happens more often than you think, Voyager, you know.

906
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:18.840
I'm not sure what's real and what's not.

907
00:38:18.900 --> 00:38:20.519
Oh, it's on Paris about to get hurt.

908
00:38:20.579 --> 00:38:21.000
Yes.

909
00:38:21.059 --> 00:38:22.019
There we go.

910
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:22.860
There we go.

911
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:23.460
There we go.

912
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:24.300
Here we go.

913
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:26.340
Electrocuted in the face.

914
00:38:26.940 --> 00:38:29.340
Ooh, that's kind of nasty.

915
00:38:29.340 --> 00:38:32.219
I think it's a little bit too nasty, actually.

916
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:33.719
Don't you?

917
00:38:33.780 --> 00:38:35.280
Like, I just think it's a bit too much.

918
00:38:35.340 --> 00:38:39.420
So we supposed to feel at this point that the gaseous cloud is

919
00:38:39.420 --> 00:38:39.900
lashing out.

920
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:41.460
Yeah, yeah, I think so.

921
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:42.900
Like, it's evil, you know.

922
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.380
And it's angry, you know, like it is doing this deliberately.

923
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:47.820
It's weirding the ship.

924
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:49.380
Like, it's haunting the ship.

925
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.539
It's making it's scary.

926
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.179
You know, a haunted house. houses where you live.

927
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:55.800
It's supposed to be where you're safe.

928
00:38:55.860 --> 00:38:58.619
A haunting makes your home scary and that's what it's doing.

929
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.619
Sick Bay is absolutely full of people now that have been affected

930
00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:02.039
by this thing.

931
00:39:02.099 --> 00:39:04.320
But then they all have to go in a minute.

932
00:39:04.380 --> 00:39:04.920
Yeah.

933
00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:07.860
Yes.

934
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.059
Oh, what, it's a micro nebula.

935
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:13.139
Oh, is it?

936
00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:14.159
It's a bit different from you.

937
00:39:14.219 --> 00:39:16.079
That's what you just said. small one.

938
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:18.360
Oh my god.

939
00:39:18.420 --> 00:39:20.460
It could be an intelligence at work here.

940
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.400
Well, you've not been paying attention to the last 6 years, have

941
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:23.699
you?

942
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:25.139
Jesus Christ.

943
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:28.260
Oh, the doctor's going.

944
00:39:28.380 --> 00:39:29.460
Yep, yep.

945
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:30.059
Yeah.

946
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:34.559
I mean, I mean, all of this dialogue is cut and pay his Voyager

947
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:35.039
dialogue.

948
00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:37.619
Transfer is Matrix to the mobile amino, yes.

949
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.440
Yeah, of course, but it's Star Trek, it's going to be the sort of

950
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:44.400
usual comfortable thing, you know, like, and it's it's not, like

951
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:47.039
it's a Star Trek show where they're on a ship.

952
00:39:47.099 --> 00:39:49.199
They don't have a lot else kind of going on.

953
00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:50.880
I think this looks great.

954
00:39:50.940 --> 00:39:53.099
It's beautiful, isn't it?

955
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:56.519
That's the sort of submarine red lighting that's flickering on and

956
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:57.179
off as well.

957
00:39:57.300 --> 00:40:00.960
Oh, so the way those boring walls look when they're just lit by

958
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:02.880
his by his torch.

959
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:07.500
My issue with this scene was the hurricane was so boring.

960
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.079
Because Ensign Serres is sort of going, oh my god.

961
00:40:10.139 --> 00:40:13.739
I think we've been taking over by an evil alien or something like

962
00:40:13.739 --> 00:40:15.840
that, you know, she's having great fun with her scene.

963
00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:16.320
No.

964
00:40:16.380 --> 00:40:17.639
Now, be a professional.

965
00:40:17.699 --> 00:40:18.119
Come on.

966
00:40:18.179 --> 00:40:19.619
We're going to go and find people.

967
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:21.599
He's so pretty though.

968
00:40:21.659 --> 00:40:22.260
Come on.

969
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:23.460
Like he's sort of cute.

970
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:24.780
It's not enough.

971
00:40:25.019 --> 00:40:27.360
It could be pretty and interesting.

972
00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:30.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he could be. he does manage it sometimes, but

973
00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:31.500
he's not really doing it here.

974
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:35.280
See, she's been paying attention to previous start.

975
00:40:35.340 --> 00:40:36.239
Hostile aliens.

976
00:40:36.300 --> 00:40:37.800
She goes, they're trying to take her.

977
00:40:37.860 --> 00:40:38.699
She always do that.

978
00:40:38.820 --> 00:40:40.199
Yes.

979
00:40:40.260 --> 00:40:43.260
She's a voyager stand and Sarah's, you know.

980
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:44.099
She is.

981
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.280
So she's doing a really, really big job in the hope that she'll be

982
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:48.780
invited back, but she isn't.

983
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:54.659
She does get a mention in workforce, apparently, but we never see

984
00:40:54.659 --> 00:40:55.019
her again.

985
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:57.119
Why do they keep doing this though?

986
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:58.800
They just write out the kids.

987
00:40:58.860 --> 00:41:01.440
They just write out in this season.

988
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:05.579
They're trying to bulk out the crew a bit, you know, and give us

989
00:41:05.579 --> 00:41:06.179
extra characters.

990
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:07.619
Do that DS9 thing.

991
00:41:07.739 --> 00:41:11.280
And then they just abandon them all. very, very strange.

992
00:41:11.340 --> 00:41:13.619
And in year seven, it don't matter.

993
00:41:14.099 --> 00:41:17.699
I don't actually hate this scene, though, I actually don't hate

994
00:41:17.699 --> 00:41:20.760
this scene, and I actually found myself thinking, wouldn't it be

995
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.599
nice if they were actually introducing her as a regular character

996
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:25.860
and you know, someone that we would see?

997
00:41:25.980 --> 00:41:28.980
Because, I mean, you know, we had ashes to ashes a few episodes

998
00:41:28.980 --> 00:41:30.420
ago, like 7 weeks ago.

999
00:41:30.420 --> 00:41:35.099
And, you know, we bring back someone who she who he worked with

1000
00:41:35.099 --> 00:41:36.539
but we've never seen...

1001
00:41:36.539 --> 00:41:37.440
Sorry to interrupt you.

1002
00:41:37.500 --> 00:41:41.159
But I must talk about this scene now. with Neelix.

1003
00:41:41.219 --> 00:41:43.800
Well, you know, it's my favourite bit.

1004
00:41:43.860 --> 00:41:46.320
Elix on his own, in the mess hold.

1005
00:41:46.380 --> 00:41:51.239
The camera sort of pans very dramatically towards the fire.

1006
00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:54.059
And he can hear something in the corridor.

1007
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:54.599
What's that noise?

1008
00:41:57.179 --> 00:41:59.699
It's the doors going mental.

1009
00:42:00.059 --> 00:42:05.099
Like, and then sort of Tuvok suddenly turns up and he's like

1010
00:42:05.099 --> 00:42:07.980
clearly been woken up and he hasn't had time to take his CPAP

1011
00:42:07.980 --> 00:42:10.500
machine off, I think, is what's...

1012
00:42:10.619 --> 00:42:11.820
I think...

1013
00:42:11.820 --> 00:42:13.260
Is there gas on the ship?

1014
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:15.659
Oh, well, it's a gap, isn't it?

1015
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:16.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1016
00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:19.500
He's watched enough to know it might go straight up his nose and

1017
00:42:19.500 --> 00:42:22.619
take him over, so he's seen the gasoline among us. to keep him

1018
00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:22.920
going.

1019
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:26.340
But the way, I mean, it's so camp, the way the camera swings

1020
00:42:26.340 --> 00:42:29.579
around and it's this massive close up.

1021
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:32.039
And the music goes, da, da.

1022
00:42:32.099 --> 00:42:33.420
It's great.

1023
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:36.539
I thought more of the episode was going to be like this.

1024
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:37.920
Yeah, yeah.

1025
00:42:37.980 --> 00:42:39.239
And it isn't really, is it?

1026
00:42:39.300 --> 00:42:43.199
Like, this is proper, like, this is like TNG schlock we're doing

1027
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:43.440
now.

1028
00:42:43.500 --> 00:42:45.900
Yeah, but yeah, that is great.

1029
00:42:46.019 --> 00:42:50.340
I mean, the turbo lift actually looks genuinely hungry right now

1030
00:42:50.340 --> 00:42:52.860
the way it's opening and closing its mouth.

1031
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:54.420
Yeah, yeah.

1032
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.960
But, and again, it's like the, the, the tension between what's

1033
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:02.219
scary and what's familiar, 2 Valk is immediately scary, but

1034
00:43:02.219 --> 00:43:05.159
eventually familiar and actually kind of reassuring.

1035
00:43:05.219 --> 00:43:09.719
And I actually think the pairing of Neelix and Tuvok, while it

1036
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:10.860
doesn't always work.

1037
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:16.320
And I think, for instance, rise is bad and kind of overwrought

1038
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:17.159
remember, rise?

1039
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:19.559
Yeah, it's orbital tether.

1040
00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:22.199
Yeah, yeah. which has an interesting idea in it and stuff, but

1041
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:25.199
he's a bit overwrought when it comes to dealing with the 2 of

1042
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:25.440
them.

1043
00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:27.780
But in this, like, I think they're great.

1044
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:31.260
I think they're really good as it foils to each other.

1045
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:35.159
They don't progress the relationship.

1046
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:36.900
Like, not like Odo and Kork or something like that.

1047
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:38.460
Yeah, it doesn't build to anyone.

1048
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:42.780
Although initially the bit where Neelix leaves and Chewbok steps

1049
00:43:42.780 --> 00:43:45.960
forward and does the little dance step is gorgeous.

1050
00:43:46.139 --> 00:43:48.179
I was thinking about it.

1051
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:50.519
Yeah, I mean, I think it's just nice because the 2 actors work

1052
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:51.119
well together.

1053
00:43:51.179 --> 00:43:53.219
Ethan Phillips and Tim and Russ have a nice go.

1054
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:54.719
But they're not given any...

1055
00:43:54.780 --> 00:43:57.599
I was watching the scenes of them sort of going up the turbo loafs

1056
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:58.860
and all of that and not the shafts.

1057
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:00.599
I'm like, give them some witty lines.

1058
00:44:00.659 --> 00:44:04.079
Give them something fun to say instead of, oh, well, we're off to

1059
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:05.039
deck seven, you know.

1060
00:44:05.099 --> 00:44:09.840
Well, to be fair, it's in that section of the episode that we get

1061
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:16.199
the story of the Talaxian ship. that he tells, which I think is

1062
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:16.980
actually pretty good.

1063
00:44:17.099 --> 00:44:20.280
Did you see those snacks there he's got for them?

1064
00:44:20.340 --> 00:44:21.480
What is that?

1065
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:22.019
Dried fruit?

1066
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:23.820
I don't know. those are so boring.

1067
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:24.480
Kids hate that.

1068
00:44:25.139 --> 00:44:27.900
Yeah, so here's the conversation.

1069
00:44:28.019 --> 00:44:31.980
I tried passing the time with a little conversation, but Tuvok is

1070
00:44:31.980 --> 00:44:33.300
hard to do that with.

1071
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:36.659
Um, he did bring his CPAP machine with him, though.

1072
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:38.699
I can see it's there it is.

1073
00:44:39.539 --> 00:44:41.760
I mean, what a conversation.

1074
00:44:41.820 --> 00:44:46.019
Oh, look, he goes, I bet you've got some, like, protocol, 1005 or

1075
00:44:46.019 --> 00:44:46.320
something.

1076
00:44:46.380 --> 00:44:47.460
Yeah, yeah.

1077
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:52.920
If the ship is taken over by hosto electromagnetic life forms, then

1078
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:54.059
dot dot dot.

1079
00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:00.300
I mean, this, to us, this is meat and potatoes trek now. crawling

1080
00:45:00.300 --> 00:45:01.320
for a Jeffries tube.

1081
00:45:01.380 --> 00:45:03.780
Two of our characters in extreme danger.

1082
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:08.760
So, yeah, this is funny, where Neelix says, did it, it's very

1083
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:12.119
standard joke, but Neelix says, did I ever tell you the story of

1084
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:13.860
the Salvoxia?

1085
00:45:13.860 --> 00:45:18.480
And and Tuvok says, uh, if I say yes, will that stop you from

1086
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:19.380
telling it?

1087
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:23.940
Which is a good line for Tuvok?

1088
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.699
You know, it's actually a pretty good line for him.

1089
00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:31.380
Will I be spared the Voyager banter if I say yes?

1090
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.440
But the great thing, the thing that I said before, that I like

1091
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:38.880
about this is, again, it's a ship, it's their home, but it becomes

1092
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:40.559
a source of absolute horror.

1093
00:45:40.619 --> 00:45:44.039
It's the same space that these people were living in, and then

1094
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:46.019
they're just there and they all die.

1095
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:51.840
And then our Neelix is telling the story, kind of realises that

1096
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:55.380
he's actually telling the story to the kids because he's narrating

1097
00:45:55.380 --> 00:45:57.179
it as part of a thing.

1098
00:45:57.179 --> 00:45:59.699
And he actually thinks maybe I've gone a bit too far.

1099
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:01.679
Yeah, this, what do the bodies look like?

1100
00:46:01.739 --> 00:46:04.260
Did they eat each other when they decomposed?

1101
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:05.219
You know, like...

1102
00:46:05.219 --> 00:46:09.900
It's exactly the sort of questions the kids was asked, isn't it?

1103
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:10.920
I shouldn't have told you that.

1104
00:46:10.980 --> 00:46:12.000
It's too gruesome.

1105
00:46:12.059 --> 00:46:16.500
And that does anticipate the ending where he actually says, no

1106
00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:18.539
this has become too scary.

1107
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:20.820
You're all too freaked out by it.

1108
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:22.019
It never happened.

1109
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:22.679
Yeah?

1110
00:46:22.860 --> 00:46:24.960
Maybe they ate each other.

1111
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:28.019
The kids are so great, aren't they?

1112
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.659
Mazodi in particular is really good.

1113
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:33.840
Like the 2 older kids are really fantastic.

1114
00:46:33.900 --> 00:46:37.019
And the 2 little kids are...

1115
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:39.659
Kids love that stuff. love it being a bit gruesome.

1116
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:40.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1117
00:46:40.860 --> 00:46:42.840
I mean, it would be more effective though.

1118
00:46:42.900 --> 00:46:45.960
The story is telling of the salvaxia, whatever it's called.

1119
00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:49.800
You know, if genuinely Voyager was in a situation of real horror.

1120
00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:52.079
They have just turned the lights off.

1121
00:46:52.139 --> 00:46:53.880
But it is child friendly horror.

1122
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:57.719
And it is kind of what, you know, like enterprise will do it, won't

1123
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:03.179
it, in series 3 with that Vulcan ship, where everyone's killed one

1124
00:47:03.179 --> 00:47:03.539
another?

1125
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.159
I can't remember what that's called.

1126
00:47:05.219 --> 00:47:07.079
Oh, it's like zombies, isn't it?

1127
00:47:07.139 --> 00:47:07.920
It's like the Walking Dead?

1128
00:47:07.980 --> 00:47:08.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1129
00:47:08.699 --> 00:47:10.500
Actually, that was quite...

1130
00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:11.159
Yeah, yeah.

1131
00:47:11.219 --> 00:47:12.480
Creepy discovery.

1132
00:47:12.539 --> 00:47:15.119
Do you remember Discovery has the tardigrade slaughtering people

1133
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:16.679
and tearing them to pieces and stuff?

1134
00:47:16.739 --> 00:47:19.380
Like, it's really violent and gory.

1135
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:24.420
Uh, strange new worlds on the gore, ripping people down the

1136
00:47:24.420 --> 00:47:26.039
corridors and bloody trails.

1137
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.739
That's how you do horror, Nathan.

1138
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:30.960
They're never going to do that in 90s track.

1139
00:47:31.019 --> 00:47:33.480
It's all very childishly horror.

1140
00:47:33.659 --> 00:47:37.920
The DS9, that dreadful episode we watched with all the corpses

1141
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:39.360
hanging on baby growers.

1142
00:47:39.780 --> 00:47:41.519
So stupid.

1143
00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:43.019
The worst.

1144
00:47:43.739 --> 00:47:47.579
They can occasionally get horror right in the 90s.

1145
00:47:47.699 --> 00:47:50.820
I think like schisms, you know, when they had the weird insect

1146
00:47:50.820 --> 00:47:51.119
things.

1147
00:47:51.179 --> 00:47:54.420
But that's kind of weird. conceptual horror as well, because it's

1148
00:47:54.420 --> 00:47:57.300
kind of like, you know, you're asleep and you're paralysed and

1149
00:47:57.300 --> 00:48:00.539
you're helpless and these things are doing something, like I think

1150
00:48:00.539 --> 00:48:01.559
that works pretty well.

1151
00:48:01.619 --> 00:48:04.139
So this, I think, is brilliant.

1152
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:11.099
And maybe, so again, because it's the haunting of our home, it's a

1153
00:48:11.099 --> 00:48:11.940
haunted house.

1154
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:17.340
And so the only way that the thing has to communicate is using

1155
00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:23.219
Michelle Parrot's voice, which is which is reassuring is always on

1156
00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:23.699
our side.

1157
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:27.780
And she even says the things that it would normally say.

1158
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:30.000
And I think that's really good.

1159
00:48:30.059 --> 00:48:33.300
I think having it patched together her normal diet.

1160
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:34.079
I have done this before.

1161
00:48:34.139 --> 00:48:36.239
Have we done, we've done.

1162
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:40.800
Yeah, like in series one of DS9, there was that that puppy that

1163
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:43.559
was on the ship and all things were going wrong and it was

1164
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:45.239
communicating via the computer.

1165
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:46.739
It ain't original.

1166
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:47.639
It's fun.

1167
00:48:47.699 --> 00:48:48.360
Yeah.

1168
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:51.119
But it's, you know, I was sort of ticking off my list going with

1169
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:52.559
things like that.

1170
00:48:52.619 --> 00:48:56.340
So that episode, but even just the way the dialogue works, do you

1171
00:48:56.340 --> 00:48:56.820
know what I mean?

1172
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:58.860
It's just the sort of things that it says.

1173
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:02.099
It's just Captain Janeway report to Astrometrics, unable to

1174
00:49:02.099 --> 00:49:02.579
comply.

1175
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:07.019
And at this point, right, at this point, six years into Voyager is

1176
00:49:07.019 --> 00:49:10.800
you know, this gaseous cloud trapped from its home using the

1177
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:11.579
computer voice.

1178
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:13.019
Is this good enough?

1179
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:18.179
Well, but what it is doing is what this episode is seeking to do

1180
00:49:18.179 --> 00:49:21.900
which is the, you know, it really leans into the idea of

1181
00:49:21.900 --> 00:49:22.559
haunting.

1182
00:49:22.619 --> 00:49:27.539
And so making something familiar and comforting, frightening, or

1183
00:49:27.539 --> 00:49:30.480
hostile, you know, is what it does.

1184
00:49:30.539 --> 00:49:34.739
And I think, and we've already primed us for that by having her

1185
00:49:34.739 --> 00:49:38.699
talk about the fact that she has conversations with the ship.

1186
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:39.960
So I thought it was pretty good.

1187
00:49:40.019 --> 00:49:42.300
Here again, maybe this year this was...

1188
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:43.739
Yeah, it's very nice.

1189
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:45.179
Maybe this was earlier in the run.

1190
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:46.679
I would be... yeah.

1191
00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:49.559
I just would expect them to have learnt these lessons by now and

1192
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:51.780
be doing something a bit more original.

1193
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:54.179
But I think what they're doing is like they're doing their

1194
00:49:54.179 --> 00:49:56.699
standard voyage. thing, but just doing it a bit better.

1195
00:49:56.820 --> 00:50:00.000
And I think that's a reasonable thing to be doing at this point in

1196
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:00.360
the run.

1197
00:50:00.420 --> 00:50:01.079
This is great.

1198
00:50:01.139 --> 00:50:03.179
We talks about his birthday dinner.

1199
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:04.980
It's so over the top.

1200
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:06.840
So he's narrating this story.

1201
00:50:06.900 --> 00:50:07.559
We see it.

1202
00:50:07.619 --> 00:50:08.760
Look at Kay.

1203
00:50:08.820 --> 00:50:11.940
She's funny. with a plate.

1204
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:13.800
I've got you a bit of cake.

1205
00:50:13.860 --> 00:50:17.639
This is like this is how Neelix imagines the ship.

1206
00:50:17.699 --> 00:50:21.840
He's surrounded by smiling people who love him. you know, and then

1207
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:23.699
the nebula thing comes out.

1208
00:50:25.019 --> 00:50:28.739
And then the kids react. capture Janeway, so people look at it.

1209
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:31.320
I think that's the most convincing acting in the whole thing

1210
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.920
because there's one thing they all say in conventions is that all

1211
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:36.659
of those actors loved Ethan Phillips.

1212
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:40.619
So standing around him adoringly, just staring at him going, oh

1213
00:50:40.619 --> 00:50:41.460
you're so wonderful.

1214
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:45.780
Like, I laughed out loud. super unexpected. not something that

1215
00:50:45.780 --> 00:50:47.579
Star Trek does at all at this point.

1216
00:50:47.820 --> 00:50:52.260
You know, but his telling this story and the story just shows us

1217
00:50:52.260 --> 00:50:56.159
what he thinks of the crew or what he thinks the crew thinks of

1218
00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:57.300
him. everyone loves him.

1219
00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:00.719
Look at Astrometrics looking amazing too.

1220
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:04.440
Yeah, that's a great show.

1221
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:08.639
I'm not detecting any of the tension between Kate Mulgrew and

1222
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:10.980
Jerry Ryan at this point. over it by now.

1223
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:11.820
Is that it?

1224
00:51:11.940 --> 00:51:14.099
I think she's, you know, are they in the middle of it?

1225
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:16.320
She's in a relationship with Brandon Braga and they also

1226
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:17.579
Shakespeare and herself.

1227
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:18.119
Yeah.

1228
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:21.239
I could get you sacked, you know?

1229
00:51:23.460 --> 00:51:27.539
Also, I'm going to get a role in Picard, and you're only going to

1230
00:51:27.539 --> 00:51:29.219
be on prodigy or as a voice, all right?

1231
00:51:29.579 --> 00:51:31.920
She's not been like otherwise.

1232
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:34.440
Oh, there you go.

1233
00:51:34.500 --> 00:51:35.400
The buzzard collector.

1234
00:51:35.460 --> 00:51:36.179
I've never heard that.

1235
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:39.239
Yeah, yeah, they mentioned them in Star Trek, the generation.

1236
00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:41.820
They're about to take the battles, I think, and they collect.

1237
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:45.000
They collect something that gets turned into fuel.

1238
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:48.059
Okay.

1239
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:52.079
Well, they sort of snug a bit of a nebula and turn it into

1240
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:52.500
energy.

1241
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:53.880
Yeah, yeah. that's what they were doing.

1242
00:51:53.940 --> 00:51:56.519
They were collecting deuterium from the nebula, but they collected

1243
00:51:56.519 --> 00:52:00.239
so much of it that it collapsed.

1244
00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:01.980
They're so stupid.

1245
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:03.780
They know every time they go for a nebula.

1246
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:04.679
There's a life form in there.

1247
00:52:04.739 --> 00:52:06.539
It happens every other week.

1248
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:09.719
The coffee, the nebula with coffee, in it?

1249
00:52:09.780 --> 00:52:12.840
You remember that time they went into that nebula and snagged a

1250
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:14.460
load of that sperm that stuck to the ship?

1251
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:16.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1252
00:52:16.139 --> 00:52:18.000
No stop going through nebulas.

1253
00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:20.579
Oh, well.

1254
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:25.380
But I mean, I like this conversation that she ends up having on

1255
00:52:25.380 --> 00:52:26.699
the bridge with the computer.

1256
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:30.960
Yeah.

1257
00:52:31.019 --> 00:52:32.760
I don't know.

1258
00:52:32.820 --> 00:52:36.599
I think the last 10 minutes I was going, all right, let's wrap

1259
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:37.079
this up now.

1260
00:52:37.139 --> 00:52:38.460
Yeah.

1261
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:44.219
But I think, so again, you know, like it's the home and the scary

1262
00:52:44.219 --> 00:52:46.920
thing and stuff like that, it's all still happening, isn't it?

1263
00:52:46.980 --> 00:52:50.519
And, oh, I've just remembered as well, you know.

1264
00:52:50.579 --> 00:52:53.039
Do you remember the series one episode Cathexis?

1265
00:52:53.099 --> 00:52:55.019
Ah, then it's chicken.

1266
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:58.559
That's a haunting of Voyager. zooming around the ship like a

1267
00:52:58.559 --> 00:52:58.860
ghost.

1268
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:00.960
Yeah, that's so much more boring.

1269
00:53:01.019 --> 00:53:03.000
Like, I'm really...

1270
00:53:03.059 --> 00:53:06.300
I'm glad that the life form, we don't really properly see it.

1271
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:10.980
And it is just a weirdness affecting the ship.

1272
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:12.659
That is the alien life form.

1273
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:16.920
And despite that, we learn that we can help it and we have

1274
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.699
something in common with it and we, you know, and it is about we

1275
00:53:20.699 --> 00:53:21.480
both want to get home.

1276
00:53:21.539 --> 00:53:23.219
You know, like we both want to get home.

1277
00:53:23.699 --> 00:53:29.159
You remember those slimer ghosts that they were turning into fuel

1278
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:33.360
and equinox to leap great areas of space?

1279
00:53:33.420 --> 00:53:36.300
Yeah, they were supposed to be scary looking as well.

1280
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:37.139
They were quite amusing.

1281
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.780
They can't quite do the scares, can they, with the faces?

1282
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:43.139
No, so not showing them is the right choice, I think.

1283
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:46.739
Well, I mean, isn't that always the right choice in a horror

1284
00:53:46.739 --> 00:53:47.400
movie?

1285
00:53:47.460 --> 00:53:48.539
Yeah, yeah.

1286
00:53:48.539 --> 00:53:52.559
Whenever you see the great horror, it's usually a disappointment.

1287
00:53:52.980 --> 00:53:54.360
Yeah.

1288
00:53:54.420 --> 00:53:55.019
Here we go.

1289
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:56.519
We're shooting through a panel again.

1290
00:53:56.579 --> 00:53:57.719
Again, shooting through the thing.

1291
00:53:57.780 --> 00:54:00.239
Oh, Chewbox being electrocuted.

1292
00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:02.159
And he's got latex on his face as well.

1293
00:54:02.219 --> 00:54:06.420
And here's another scene where it's kind of like, no, no, no, you

1294
00:54:06.420 --> 00:54:07.500
know, leave me behind.

1295
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:08.880
I'll only slow you down.

1296
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:10.500
You know, but...

1297
00:54:10.500 --> 00:54:11.880
Not leaving you here, Nathan.

1298
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:17.880
Logic dictates that you take the balls, Joe. I don't care.

1299
00:54:19.139 --> 00:54:21.780
This isn't the Salvaxia.

1300
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:22.260
Oh boy.

1301
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:24.300
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1302
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:27.119
Were they running the dialogue through AI at this point?

1303
00:54:27.179 --> 00:54:28.800
really have AI.

1304
00:54:28.860 --> 00:54:31.920
I think it would make it even more boring than this.

1305
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:34.619
Oh, look at that face.

1306
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:39.119
Oh, again, that's, again, that's a kind of German expressionism

1307
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:40.079
thing, isn't it?

1308
00:54:40.139 --> 00:54:41.099
That's not really there.

1309
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:45.360
That's just expressing Neelix's fear of the nebular gas, which

1310
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:49.139
he's already said he was scared of in that opening scene in the

1311
00:54:49.139 --> 00:54:49.920
mess hall.

1312
00:54:49.980 --> 00:54:53.639
It must be an absolute mess on this show if every time they go for

1313
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:55.559
a nebula, he's scared.

1314
00:54:55.619 --> 00:54:56.699
That's Christ.

1315
00:54:58.019 --> 00:55:03.179
Now, I did criticise Kate Mulcruz's performance in this scene

1316
00:55:03.179 --> 00:55:05.099
where, you know, all the gas is coming in.

1317
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:08.519
She's wretching away, but it is nicely shot this.

1318
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:10.739
They just do a great tracking show.

1319
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:13.019
It's really good. actually think she's good here.

1320
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:17.159
I do think at the end when she's kind of finally, you know, about

1321
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:20.699
to dine, she's doing her, you know, yelling and coughing and stuff

1322
00:55:20.699 --> 00:55:23.219
that it's all got a bit out of hand.

1323
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:26.820
The only way it could have been worse would have been if they had

1324
00:55:26.820 --> 00:55:28.199
have made Avery Brooks do it.

1325
00:55:30.059 --> 00:55:32.340
It would have been someone else.

1326
00:55:36.659 --> 00:55:41.400
It is oddly fine. when they turn the lights down, isn't it?

1327
00:55:41.460 --> 00:55:43.860
Yeah, but also they're moving the camera around in all sorts of

1328
00:55:43.860 --> 00:55:44.039
ways.

1329
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:47.579
Wait, it sort of zoomed towards her, then spun around and then

1330
00:55:47.579 --> 00:55:48.119
went with her.

1331
00:55:48.179 --> 00:55:48.719
It's great.

1332
00:55:48.780 --> 00:55:49.679
Now it's following her out.

1333
00:55:49.739 --> 00:55:50.159
Yeah.

1334
00:55:50.219 --> 00:55:52.559
And here's Neelix wandering into the same shot.

1335
00:55:52.619 --> 00:55:53.460
We haven't caught.

1336
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:55.559
You know, that was there we go.

1337
00:55:55.619 --> 00:55:57.059
There was our cart.

1338
00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:59.699
I wonder, you know, you know, when they do the sort of pre

1339
00:55:58.980 --> 00:56:00.300
production meetings.

1340
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.820
I wonder if, you know, the cameraman went, what?

1341
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:04.139
You want me to move the camera?

1342
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:05.039
Really?

1343
00:56:05.820 --> 00:56:08.460
I'm not sure they do move you know.

1344
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:10.500
That is the right choice, isn't it?

1345
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:12.900
Like, and so this is a well-directed episode.

1346
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:14.460
Like, I think this is...

1347
00:56:14.460 --> 00:56:17.519
Without a good direction, I think this would be a bit of a

1348
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:17.639
problem.

1349
00:56:17.699 --> 00:56:18.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1350
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:22.500
I think without the, it's not a framing story, it's the story, but

1351
00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:26.340
without it being told by Neelix, I think it would be much worse, um

1352
00:56:26.340 --> 00:56:28.559
without making him the focus character, and I think it would be

1353
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:29.880
much worse if...

1354
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:33.719
I really think the, the guy's doing the licing as well, to serve a

1355
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:36.420
lot of cue. because a lot of the atmosphere.

1356
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:39.599
I love this sort of heartbeat effect of the red light coming on

1357
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:39.960
and off.

1358
00:56:40.019 --> 00:56:41.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.

1359
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:42.780
Because it's haunting, isn't it?

1360
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.420
There's something possessing the ship.

1361
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:48.900
Yeah, so this bit here.

1362
00:56:48.900 --> 00:56:52.019
It's rare for you and me to say that there's visual interest in

1363
00:56:52.019 --> 00:56:52.860
90s trek.

1364
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:53.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1365
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:56.940
No, I mean, that goes a long way for me, I think.

1366
00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:58.260
No, here we go.

1367
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:00.719
Give me back control of my ship.

1368
00:57:00.780 --> 00:57:04.860
Yeah, it's coughing and it's like they're sort of standing on her

1369
00:57:04.860 --> 00:57:09.059
toes to try and get out of the thing and like it's really just...

1370
00:57:09.059 --> 00:57:12.000
I'm trying to deliver like a dialogue.

1371
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:14.880
You can see the director there, cycle.

1372
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:16.260
A bit more, a bit more.

1373
00:57:16.260 --> 00:57:21.360
She's like, my God, I've been on set for 14 hours.

1374
00:57:21.420 --> 00:57:22.739
Please have mercy on me.

1375
00:57:23.699 --> 00:57:28.019
I mean, it would be great if they weren't making it do the

1376
00:57:28.019 --> 00:57:30.840
coughing because it's actually a pretty big call.

1377
00:57:30.900 --> 00:57:31.920
Do you know what I mean?

1378
00:57:31.980 --> 00:57:35.099
It is, she just stands up to and says, I'm not going to do what

1379
00:57:35.099 --> 00:57:35.940
you tell me to.

1380
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:37.679
I will die rather than do that.

1381
00:57:37.739 --> 00:57:40.559
And she does it so convincingly that she persuades her.

1382
00:57:40.619 --> 00:57:43.920
I think we know in the penultimate episode of Voyager's 6th

1383
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:44.159
season.

1384
00:57:44.219 --> 00:57:46.739
Well, of course, we are going to lose Captain Janeway.

1385
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:49.320
Yeah, but you know, they're in peril all the time.

1386
00:57:49.380 --> 00:57:54.960
That doesn't, the peril doesn't mean, are we worried about Janeway

1387
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:55.980
is she going to be okay?

1388
00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:57.000
The ending is so quick.

1389
00:57:57.059 --> 00:57:57.900
Did you know this?

1390
00:57:57.960 --> 00:57:58.800
I was like, what happened?

1391
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:00.239
Like, it just ends.

1392
00:58:00.300 --> 00:58:02.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1393
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:05.940
But so I think this doesn't quite work.

1394
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:11.099
Um, Yeah, so we start to get there. don't we?

1395
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:13.199
We'd have each M say, it's not a monster.

1396
00:58:13.260 --> 00:58:17.280
It's an alien life form, but maybe it's a hostile alien life

1397
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:18.000
form.

1398
00:58:18.059 --> 00:58:22.679
And then he starts to, he pulls the story because the lights come

1399
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:29.940
back on and he says, let's not go there, but we... starting to, you

1400
00:58:29.940 --> 00:58:33.420
know, like, why does he why does he tell them it's not true.

1401
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:36.539
No idea.

1402
00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:38.400
What if it wants revenge?

1403
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:42.420
I think it's this, and that's when he says I made up the whole

1404
00:58:42.420 --> 00:58:44.820
thing because they're worried, and he doesn't want them to be

1405
00:58:44.820 --> 00:58:45.420
worried.

1406
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:48.420
Um, but I think that's a the wrong thing.

1407
00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:50.219
Surely somebody, they'll talk to people.

1408
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:51.659
They'll go, you know, 0 my god.

1409
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.360
What were you up to when the nebula, you know, tried to kill

1410
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:55.199
everyone on the ship?

1411
00:58:55.260 --> 00:58:56.159
Yeah, yeah.

1412
00:58:56.219 --> 00:58:58.199
Well, they weren't there.

1413
00:58:58.260 --> 00:58:59.099
Remember?

1414
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.679
They weren't there when the nebula tried to kill.

1415
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:02.760
Oh, this is a pass, isn't it?

1416
00:59:02.820 --> 00:59:03.300
Sorry.

1417
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:03.719
Yeah.

1418
00:59:03.780 --> 00:59:06.119
But they were here where they dropped it off.

1419
00:59:06.179 --> 00:59:09.900
And I just sort of think they start to kind of, I think it's

1420
00:59:09.900 --> 00:59:13.800
because the little kid that one of the twins expresses concern

1421
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:16.619
that it might come back for them and he immediately says, oh, it's

1422
00:59:16.619 --> 00:59:17.039
not real.

1423
00:59:17.099 --> 00:59:18.719
I don't know why he does that.

1424
00:59:18.780 --> 00:59:20.940
Why does he not tell them?

1425
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:24.420
Because that's the proper ending, isn't it?

1426
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:28.619
Like, that's the proper ending to this is discovering that, like

1427
00:59:28.619 --> 00:59:36.539
us, it just wants to get home and this scary nebula becomes home.

1428
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:39.480
You know, I don't know.

1429
00:59:39.539 --> 00:59:40.260
I don't know.

1430
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:41.460
It seems like the wrong.

1431
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:42.960
It seems like the wrong choice.

1432
00:59:43.019 --> 00:59:46.079
I mean, I genuinely thought at this point where he goes, oh, I

1433
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:47.880
just had another story to pass the time.

1434
00:59:47.940 --> 00:59:50.460
I thought, my God, it really is going to be what I thought.

1435
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:53.159
No, no, because it just is inevitable.

1436
00:59:53.219 --> 00:59:55.860
Yeah, look, it's supposed to look good.

1437
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:56.340
Wow.

1438
00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:59.579
He says, well, look, it I hope it lives happily ever after.

1439
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:03.659
The thing doesn't look scary anymore, except it does, and then

1440
01:00:03.659 --> 01:00:06.900
we're out because we can't do the proper special effect for it.

1441
01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:10.800
Couldn't they have done a twilight zone style ending, you know

1442
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:13.739
where unfortunately they took another little bit with them again

1443
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:16.199
you know the danger's still there.

1444
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:18.239
Oh, dear.

1445
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:20.940
Now, I tell you what, I did enjoy watching that back.

1446
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:24.179
And actually watching it divorced of the terrible dialogue and

1447
01:00:24.179 --> 01:00:25.440
just watching the visuals.

1448
01:00:25.619 --> 01:00:28.559
It did stand out a bit more.

1449
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.019
I think where it fails is it just isn't scary.

1450
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:35.519
Yeah, it's not scary, but I think it's got nice Neelix stuff in it

1451
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:38.340
and I do think that it has something to say.

1452
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.320
Like it's held together.

1453
01:00:40.380 --> 01:00:42.599
It's a thought about in a way.

1454
01:00:42.659 --> 01:00:44.820
It's not just a bunch of sort of spaceship that happens.

1455
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:49.139
It does tell a kind of unified story, but I do think there's there

1456
01:00:49.139 --> 01:00:51.900
is a slight problem with the ending, I think.

1457
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:55.980
I certainly think it's atmospheric in places.

1458
01:00:56.039 --> 01:01:01.079
I think it could be sillier at times. like, you know, schlockier.

1459
01:01:01.139 --> 01:01:05.400
But, um, you know, the thought of on a Tuesday morning hanging out

1460
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:08.639
with you in a darkened, you know, voyager.

1461
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:11.639
Under threat from a nebula, you know?

1462
01:01:11.699 --> 01:01:13.920
I mean, it's quite a nice way to spend the morning.

1463
01:01:13.980 --> 01:01:15.659
No, I thought that was fun.

1464
01:01:15.780 --> 01:01:18.480
It sort of makes me feel all the sort of cliches.

1465
01:01:18.539 --> 01:01:21.179
It does make you feel quite comforting, doesn't it?

1466
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:22.380
Yeah, you know.

1467
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:26.099
But it's absolutely the sort of episode that they wouldn't ever do

1468
01:01:26.099 --> 01:01:28.679
nowadays because they've only got 10 episodes.

1469
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:30.719
They ain't going to waste a whole episode.

1470
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:36.119
With a jigsaw piece episode made out of other episodes that

1471
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:36.900
they've already done.

1472
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:40.139
But I suppose that was their luxury when they were doing 26

1473
01:01:40.139 --> 01:01:43.860
episodes a year that they could just put out a, look, here's all

1474
01:01:43.860 --> 01:01:46.559
the cliches we're delivering them in a slightly different way.

1475
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:49.739
Have fun with it because next week the Borg are back.

1476
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:51.179
Yeah, and they'll be terrible.

1477
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:52.320
Oh really bad.

1478
01:01:52.380 --> 01:01:54.420
The worst cliffhanger ever.

1479
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:03.539
All right, it's the end of the episode.

1480
01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:06.000
It's time for us to work out where we're going next.

1481
01:02:06.059 --> 01:02:07.440
It's my turn.

1482
01:02:07.500 --> 01:02:12.119
I have the helm of the Randomiser, and I have decided that we are

1483
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:18.179
going to do an underserved series of Star Trek, one that we

1484
01:02:18.179 --> 01:02:23.519
haven't done a huge proportion of, and it is Star Trek Lower

1485
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:23.940
Decks.

1486
01:02:23.940 --> 01:02:25.739
Oh, wow.

1487
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:31.019
I mean, after after a very, very dull episode of Enterprise, and

1488
01:02:31.019 --> 01:02:36.119
more fun, but still quite mundane episode of Voyager, I know we're

1489
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:37.440
going to have something great to watch now.

1490
01:02:37.500 --> 01:02:38.699
Yeah, brilliant.

1491
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:43.019
I was actually going to say discovery until about 30 seconds ago

1492
01:02:43.019 --> 01:02:44.699
but then I thought, let's screw it.

1493
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:47.400
Well, you're living dangerously. improvising.

1494
01:02:47.460 --> 01:02:51.059
Discovery is because Discovery's put out a whole new series.

1495
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:51.659
You know what I mean?

1496
01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:55.199
It's finished, and we are quite behind in that as well.

1497
01:02:55.260 --> 01:02:58.619
But because we just had season 5 of lower decks.

1498
01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:00.239
We've fallen behind there too.

1499
01:03:00.300 --> 01:03:02.880
So let's pick lowered eggs.

1500
01:03:02.940 --> 01:03:04.800
You know what, we do discovery, right?

1501
01:03:04.860 --> 01:03:08.159
I do I do like what we do discover because they changed it so

1502
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:08.400
much.

1503
01:03:08.460 --> 01:03:11.460
You never know what you're gonna get for one season to the next.

1504
01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:12.179
Yeah.

1505
01:03:12.179 --> 01:03:12.480
Yeah.

1506
01:03:12.539 --> 01:03:15.059
Yeah. each season's so vastly different.

1507
01:03:15.179 --> 01:03:19.019
Lower decks, you do know what you're gonna get, but you also know

1508
01:03:19.019 --> 01:03:19.800
it's gonna be great.

1509
01:03:19.860 --> 01:03:20.940
It is going to be great.

1510
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:21.719
All right.

1511
01:03:21.780 --> 01:03:22.679
I'm going to press the button.

1512
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:29.699
Okay, so season three, episode four, which I think we have rolled

1513
01:03:29.699 --> 01:03:33.000
before, it's called room for growth.

1514
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:35.099
So there's 2 plots.

1515
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:41.039
There's one where Freeman decides that the engineering staff are

1516
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:45.599
super overworked and highly stressed, and so they go to a

1517
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:53.400
relaxation spa, and then the other one is that the lower deckers

1518
01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:58.860
want to get better quarters and they're competing with the, like, I

1519
01:03:58.860 --> 01:04:00.360
think Delta shift or something.

1520
01:04:00.420 --> 01:04:05.519
So they're both really kind of low key subplots, but in lower

1521
01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:07.440
decks, of course, that doesn't matter because it's just going to

1522
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:09.539
be, you know, screamingly hilarious anyway.

1523
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:11.159
I'm going to roll again though.

1524
01:04:11.219 --> 01:04:12.659
Will you do me a favour?

1525
01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:15.239
Yeah, because, like, I don't think it's going to take you too long

1526
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:16.260
to get there, yeah.

1527
01:04:16.380 --> 01:04:19.619
But will you keep rolling, please, until you get one from the last

1528
01:04:19.619 --> 01:04:19.920
season?

1529
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:21.539
Because I've not seen any of those.

1530
01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:23.159
I've seen a lot of the rest.

1531
01:04:23.219 --> 01:04:25.320
I've not even dipped my toes in the last season.

1532
01:04:25.380 --> 01:04:26.280
Okay.

1533
01:04:26.340 --> 01:04:27.360
Let's see how we go then.

1534
01:04:28.380 --> 01:04:32.460
Season three, episode nine, trusted sources.

1535
01:04:33.659 --> 01:04:35.820
Room for growth again?

1536
01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:39.000
Oh, it really wants us to watch that.

1537
01:04:39.059 --> 01:04:39.780
It really does.

1538
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:40.920
Okay.

1539
01:04:40.980 --> 01:04:47.219
So this is season five, episode two, Shades of Green.

1540
01:04:47.460 --> 01:04:49.320
Oh, no.

1541
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:52.679
Is there a flashback episode?

1542
01:04:52.739 --> 01:04:54.840
No, it's not a flashback ever.

1543
01:04:54.900 --> 01:04:57.119
It is a genius title though, isn't it?

1544
01:04:57.179 --> 01:05:02.280
So at the end of series 4 of Lower Decks, Tandy has to go back to

1545
01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:06.780
Orion, and she kind of is being a pirate.

1546
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:13.079
And then in episode one of season five, uh, which is called

1547
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.179
Dolceritos.

1548
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:19.019
So it's like 2 Cerritos, one from a parallel dimension.

1549
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:22.800
We discovered that Rutherford is super upset and missing her

1550
01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:26.219
terribly and, you know, that becomes a plot point.

1551
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:30.960
Here, shades of green, it resolves that plot.

1552
01:05:31.019 --> 01:05:35.639
So it's about her, you know, winning as a pirate and then coming

1553
01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:36.960
back to Starfleet.

1554
01:05:37.019 --> 01:05:45.000
And it also introduces the blue Orions, who are seen in an episode

1555
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:50.400
of the animated series and who wear very, very silly outfits in

1556
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:54.360
the animated series, which they have here, and they're men, and

1557
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:57.840
they pronounce Orion incorrectly because that also happens in the

1558
01:05:57.840 --> 01:05:58.800
animated series.

1559
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:02.579
And attention to detail is staggering, isn't it?

1560
01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:04.139
So I did watch it quite recently.

1561
01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:04.920
It is really fun.

1562
01:06:04.980 --> 01:06:06.179
It's a tandy episode.

1563
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:08.820
It starts with a fantastic heist.

1564
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:11.760
You know, she's absolutely brilliant.

1565
01:06:11.820 --> 01:06:15.179
Like, I think she's an unsung hero of the show because she is the

1566
01:06:15.179 --> 01:06:16.500
science nerd and stuff.

1567
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:20.400
But her enthusiasm is always sort of delivered with this sort of

1568
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:23.400
undertone of hysteria because she's a cartoon character.

1569
01:06:23.460 --> 01:06:26.940
So, you know, sometimes they get actors to beat cartoon characters

1570
01:06:26.940 --> 01:06:30.000
and they're just being actors, but she's a proper cartoon

1571
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:34.920
character, actor Noel Wells, and she just does such a great job of

1572
01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:37.800
tandy, and I love that character to death.

1573
01:06:37.860 --> 01:06:40.019
So I think a Tendi episode is what we want.

1574
01:06:40.139 --> 01:06:41.639
You know what?

1575
01:06:41.699 --> 01:06:43.739
You remember when we were talking about Rome the other day and

1576
01:06:43.739 --> 01:06:46.860
about how they're so rare in Star Trek to just have a character

1577
01:06:46.860 --> 01:06:49.559
that's just so lovely all the time.

1578
01:06:49.619 --> 01:06:53.579
So, you just love being with them just because they're so nice.

1579
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:54.960
Tendu's that character.

1580
01:06:55.019 --> 01:06:56.280
No,adex isn't shit.

1581
01:06:56.340 --> 01:06:59.820
Well, in fact, Tandy and Rutherford are both that, I think. that's

1582
01:06:59.820 --> 01:07:01.019
what's so wonderful about them.

1583
01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:04.380
And the fact that they just kind of love one another is pretty

1584
01:07:04.380 --> 01:07:04.679
great.

1585
01:07:04.739 --> 01:07:08.400
And so he's super missing her and it will be nice to see them

1586
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:09.480
reunited at the end.

1587
01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:10.500
It's pretty good.

1588
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:12.599
Wow, I'm well up for it.

1589
01:07:12.659 --> 01:07:14.159
Like I said, I know very little.

1590
01:07:14.219 --> 01:07:15.480
So let's do it.

1591
01:07:15.539 --> 01:07:17.219
To the Cerritos, we go.

1592
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:18.000
Exactly.

1593
01:07:25.500 --> 01:07:29.699
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1594
01:07:29.699 --> 01:07:31.260
and Nathan Bottomley.

1595
01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:34.920
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find

1596
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:37.920
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1597
01:07:37.980 --> 01:07:42.059
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1598
01:07:42.059 --> 01:07:43.920
composed by Cameron Lam.

1599
01:07:43.980 --> 01:07:48.420
This episode was recorded on the 25th of February, 2025 and

1600
01:07:48.420 --> 01:07:50.519
released on the 28th of February.

1601
01:07:50.579 --> 01:07:54.659
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, Lower Decks, Shades of

1602
01:07:54.659 --> 01:07:54.960
Green.

1603
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:14.880
That fucking sad shot at the end. where they're all wearing Borg

1604
01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:16.439
makeup and came.

1605
01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:22.079
Kate looks like, I told you that I would murder you, Michael

1606
01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:27.779
Westmore, if you put that latex on my face again, after course

1607
01:08:27.779 --> 01:08:32.699
oblivion, and she's like clearly furious in that final shot, and

1608
01:08:32.699 --> 01:08:34.979
they all just look pathetic, like it's just so bad.

1609
01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:38.220
And it's that yellow lighting again for the collective.

1610
01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:40.619
You know, that terrible light.

1611
01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:43.920
But because I actually, before you came on the call, I very

1612
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:47.819
quickly watched the last scene of Metro 0 just because I wanted to

1613
01:08:47.819 --> 01:08:48.659
see what came next.

1614
01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:49.979
And they all do this.

1615
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:55.619
They all do one robotic...

1616
01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:56.460
So bad.

1617
01:08:58.500 --> 01:09:02.279
We need you to show everybody that you're a robot.

1618
01:09:02.340 --> 01:09:04.319
Okay, even though you're wearing the makeup.

1619
01:09:04.380 --> 01:09:06.239
Chewbox like...

1620
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:09.420
Far out.

1621
01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:12.539
And it's so pathetic too, because it's like, that was a huge

1622
01:09:12.539 --> 01:09:13.319
thing.

1623
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:19.079
And in a way, best of both worlds, part 2 cheats by making it so

1624
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:23.220
easy to turn him back. you know what I mean?

1625
01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:25.859
And now it's just like, oh, well, you thought that was great.

1626
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:30.119
His 3 of them or something turned into Borg and he said, ah, yeah

1627
01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:30.659
fuck off.

1628
01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:34.260
But it's it really shows as well, I think.

1629
01:09:34.260 --> 01:09:39.659
It really shows how tired for it feels because it is just doing

1630
01:09:39.659 --> 01:09:44.460
that so much worse than the 1st time, you know, when it was a big

1631
01:09:44.460 --> 01:09:48.420
moment of drama and we're going to lose this major character and a

1632
01:09:48.420 --> 01:09:49.500
huge cliffhanger.

1633
01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:52.920
You know, Scorpion is their version of best of both worlds, isn't

1634
01:09:52.920 --> 01:09:53.100
it?

1635
01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:54.840
Scorpion, parts one and two.

1636
01:09:54.899 --> 01:09:58.859
And I didn't think it was as good when we watched it as I thought

1637
01:09:58.859 --> 01:10:01.260
it was originally. and still pretty good.

1638
01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:02.579
It was a good cliffhanger, though.

1639
01:10:02.699 --> 01:10:07.500
Do you remember when...

1640
01:10:07.500 --> 01:10:11.220
It's like, oh, Species A472 come out.

1641
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:13.680
They connect up the ship.

1642
01:10:13.739 --> 01:10:17.939
Yeah, destroy all the poor cubes that you've never seen before.

1643
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:19.619
Like it's really good.

1644
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:20.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1645
01:10:20.760 --> 01:10:25.439
Yeah, where it's just these guys, sad fucking guys with latex all

1646
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:27.420
over their heads standing around.

1647
01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:31.020
I think for me, like on 1st watch, the only cliffhanger that came

1648
01:10:31.020 --> 01:10:35.819
close to best of both worlds was call to arms was when they were

1649
01:10:35.819 --> 01:10:40.800
forced off the station and then Dukat goes into Cisco's office

1650
01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:43.560
picks up the baseball and goes, he's letting me know.

1651
01:10:43.619 --> 01:10:45.000
He'll be back.

1652
01:10:45.060 --> 01:10:45.960
Yeah, yeah.

1653
01:10:46.020 --> 01:10:47.460
It's really great.

1654
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:50.220
And then it's just a close-up on Cisco's face and all the ships

1655
01:10:50.220 --> 01:10:51.479
sort of coming towards the station.

1656
01:10:51.539 --> 01:10:54.539
I think Deep State's 9 because Deep State sign doesn't do

1657
01:10:54.539 --> 01:10:55.739
cliffhangers as such.

1658
01:10:55.800 --> 01:10:59.760
It kind of does, and it finishes an episode, but that episode

1659
01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:02.159
changes the status quo in some way.

1660
01:11:02.220 --> 01:11:04.140
And in a way, I think that's better.

1661
01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:06.840
Like that's a little bit more interesting than peril.

1662
01:11:06.899 --> 01:11:08.340
Like do you know what I mean?

1663
01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:12.119
We'll be in peril for 6 months or whatever, and then you can watch

1664
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:14.100
it again. less than that, I know.

1665
01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:18.659
But like that thing where it's just like, holy shit, what happens

1666
01:11:18.659 --> 01:11:21.539
now is so much more interesting.

1667
01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:24.359
Like it's a little bit more grown up.

1668
01:11:24.420 --> 01:11:25.500
With best of both worlds.

1669
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:26.819
It had never been done before, had it?

1670
01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:29.460
So it was like, how the hell are they going to get out of this?

1671
01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:31.560
And there's only 2 options here.

1672
01:11:31.619 --> 01:11:35.939
One is they don't destroy the ball cube and it goes to the earth

1673
01:11:35.939 --> 01:11:39.359
or two, we destroyed the ball cube and we lose Picard.

1674
01:11:39.420 --> 01:11:41.220
It feels like a, there's a no way out.

1675
01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:42.960
Whereas unimatrix zero.

1676
01:11:43.020 --> 01:11:46.199
Well, we know 3 of the main regulars aren't going to be Borg for

1677
01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:46.979
the rest of these.

1678
01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:50.279
And yeah, and because it's never been out before, and because that

1679
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:54.479
1st episode, and in a sense, the even the meaning of the title

1680
01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:59.640
best of both worlds, really applies to like Elizabeth Denahey's

1681
01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:00.060
character.

1682
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:00.720
What's she called?

1683
01:12:00.779 --> 01:12:02.520
Oh, Shelby, yes.

1684
01:12:02.579 --> 01:12:03.300
Shelby.

1685
01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:04.319
Do you know what I mean?

1686
01:12:04.380 --> 01:12:05.640
I think she's in Lower Deck.

1687
01:12:05.699 --> 01:12:07.260
She gets mentioned, obviously.

1688
01:12:07.319 --> 01:12:08.819
Excuse me, commander.

1689
01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:10.560
She goes, but you're in my way.

1690
01:12:10.619 --> 01:12:11.520
Yeah, yeah.

1691
01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:16.199
And so it's about, like, it's about, you know, is this Riker

1692
01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:17.699
replacing, we don't know?

1693
01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:19.380
Is Patrick Stewart back?

1694
01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:20.699
We don't even know, you know?

1695
01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:24.659
But it's, it's... changing.

1696
01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:25.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

1697
01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:30.119
It's why the 2nd episode it does feel like cheap because it's like

1698
01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:33.960
oh, okay, no. he's actually a bit shit.

1699
01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:37.199
But the 1st episode's magnificent. that cliff thing is

1700
01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:37.560
incredible.

1701
01:12:37.619 --> 01:12:40.439
I've just thought of another great cliffhanger that we've done.

1702
01:12:40.500 --> 01:12:43.920
Um, uh, in Purgatory Shadow. do you remember?

1703
01:12:43.979 --> 01:12:44.520
Yeah, yeah.

1704
01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:47.340
The wormholes opening, and then all those Dominion ships come

1705
01:12:47.340 --> 01:12:48.539
pouring out.

1706
01:12:49.020 --> 01:12:52.560
And then it was a massive state of change, wasn't it?

1707
01:12:52.680 --> 01:12:56.399
The very next scene is Ducart saying, I'm not fighting the

1708
01:12:56.399 --> 01:12:58.380
Dominion fleet. joining them.

1709
01:12:58.439 --> 01:12:59.460
Yeah, yeah.

1710
01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:00.300
That's pretty good.

1711
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:01.079
God, so good.

1712
01:13:01.140 --> 01:13:02.100
So great.

1713
01:13:02.579 --> 01:13:04.199
All right.

1714
01:13:04.260 --> 01:13:05.460
All right, let's do this.

1715
01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:06.239
That's my go.

1716
01:13:06.300 --> 01:13:06.659
Okay.

1717
01:13:06.659 --> 01:13:09.539
You get jammer.

1718
01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:12.300
We might have a tag day, you know, a cliffhanger tag.

1719
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:13.920
Oh, yeah, no, I think we've had that before.

1720
01:13:13.979 --> 01:13:14.640
Sometimes we do.

1721
01:13:14.699 --> 01:13:15.479
I think we just do that.

1722
01:13:15.539 --> 01:13:16.020
Yeah.

1723
01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:18.060
Sometimes it's in between the two.

1724
01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:20.819
It's not often, but I think that should...

1725
01:13:20.939 --> 01:13:23.399
I'm always intrigued as to what bit you're going to choose to go

1726
01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:24.180
after the time.

1727
01:13:24.899 --> 01:13:28.260
Although the best is still the, obviously the fans.

1728
01:13:28.319 --> 01:13:29.520
They're still best.

1729
01:13:29.579 --> 01:13:32.579
Just when you're talking about something completely random.

1730
01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:34.380
Like sometimes it's just, yeah, anyway.

1731
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:37.560
All right, it's the end of the episode.