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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are watching Star Trek Enterprise, or I think, at this

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point in its run, just Enterprise.

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We're a bit embarrassed, aren't we?

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A bit embarrassed by it.

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We are a little bit.

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It's series 2, episode 3, and it's called Minefield.

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It's written by John Shaban, who is a X-Files alumnus, and he's

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some kind of producer on this as well.

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And its job, according to him, is to explore the under-explored

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relationship between Reid and Archer.

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Now, I would suggest that at the end of this episode. still

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underexplores.

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It's really funny because I have watched a fair bit of enterprise

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and it's the only Star Trek that I haven't kind of watched all of

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sort of.

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And I have to admit that as far as I can tell, Malcolm Reed has no

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actual personality characteristics of any kind.

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That is the correct assessment.

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Okay, all right.

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That's right.

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The most boring character.

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Star Trek ever gave us.

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Like, listen, man, I know you're doing your own podcast and you're

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very proud to be part of this show, but Jesus Christ, you need to

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focus on another part of your career, not this. is not your finest

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hour. poor bastard.

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So part of the problem, I think, with this is that.

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It's not really an episode about anything other than John Shaban

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looking back at series one and kind of going, we really should

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address this character, which is a reasonable kind of writer's

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instinct, but there's nothing there.

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And so the whole story is really plotting and really slow.

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It's thin, like there's nothing to it, and the central thing, which

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is just an interminable conversation between Reid and Archer, which

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goes nowhere, and does the usual boring Star Trek trick of

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alternating between talking about the job that we're doing and

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talking about our incredibly overcooked backstory?

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And so the whole thing just sort of flops terribly.

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It's really boring isn't it?

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Well, the trouble is as well is they don't really dig up anything

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interesting about his personality whilst they're also stuck in the

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most ridiculously cliched situation you could possibly be in.

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He's basically strapped to a bomb.

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Yep, strapped it off.

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I mean, it's just the most...

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An ambitious premise, I can imagine for a Star Trek episode.

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Because we've done it.

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We done it in Warhead and Voyager.

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We did it in, what was the DS 91?

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Starship Down, and that was great fun with Quork and that, trying

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to diffuse that bomb.

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But with this bear, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy.

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I was trying to put my finger on, why read really fails as a

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character.

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I mean, I don't think it's a great performance from the actor.

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But I think he is just delivering what's written, which is a very

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serious, very stiff man who is always on the job who never relaxes

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and had fun.

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And I don't know, does he have hobbies?

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I can't tell.

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Like, does he do anything in his spare time?

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Does he just sit there reading crew rosters?

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Like, what is there to this character?

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I just, I've got nothing to grab hold of at all.

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Like, I always say that my in into a character is humour, usually.

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The best characters are funny or, you know, the underdog or

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something like that.

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Something that likeable that draws you in, but there's just

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nothing to this guy.

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He's just like a, he's like a white board in an office, you know?

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That's why he is.

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Yeah, this episode explicitly asks the question, does he have any

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hobbies and he says no.

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So, you know, he has no interests or hobbies apart from work.

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Do you not even wank Malcolm Reed?

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Like, for God's sake.

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He does go to the bathroom, apparently.

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We discover that.

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So that's his hobby, isn't it?

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But the other thing is too, that there's sort of conflict between

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the relaxed laid back in formal command style of archer and Reed

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who is much more stiff, but the trouble is that archery is a

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petulant shithead, who constantly yells at people and is in no way

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relaxed and laid back as a commanding officer.

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And, you know, you kind of think, imagine if it had been Anson

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Mount Pike.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Who is genuinely relaxed and likeable, who has people over for

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breakfast?

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Invited people over, getting them all to do the cooking for him.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You know, like I really, really think that this is the sort of

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thing that Pike would have worked perfectly well in and that

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Archer absolutely doesn't work in because there's kind of no

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contrast.

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And the whole thing, he isn't relaxed.

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He isn't chilly.

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He isn't likeable.

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That fucking breakfast at the beginning of the episode.

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I was watching that scene, right?

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and I was just waiting to hear what you thought. the way he goes

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in with, you know, oh, didn't England win the football once or

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something?

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I was going, oh, this is so boringly heterosexual. can't stand

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it.

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But it's the 2 most charmless man in Star Wars.

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You know what I mean?

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It's as boring as straight men possibly get.

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They're usually pretty boring.

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Sorry, to you stuff, too, pans.

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Straight men are usually fairly dull and tedious.

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That's why they like Star Trek these two.

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And like, he's literally trapping Reed in a situation he doesn't

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want to be in.

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He's not comfortable in him.

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And he's trying to force him to relax and he's like, sir, I am not

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this person.

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Leave me alone and just let me be boring, all right?

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And like, we're so unable to commit to this scene.

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We can't do this scene.

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Do you know what I mean?

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We can't do a scene where the 2 characters are kind of awkward

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with each other and we immediately have to, you know, have some

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space thing happen.

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And then we just leave the eggs Benedict there and it's that usual

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stupid TV thing of we've prepared a meal, but we're not going to

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make you watch the meal because we can't, you know, afford to have

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people eating and or anything.

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Do you know what I mean?

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You have to go and do space things.

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So they just...

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They've been shooting this scene for a long time.

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They don't want to touch that food.

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It's stone cold.

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But as well.

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At the end of that scene, I was like, okay, I can see what they're

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trying to do.

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This episode is about this pair trying to communicate.

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At some point in this episode, there'll be a situation of jeopardy

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where they're stuck together and they have to talk.

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Oh, it took so long to get to the point.

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I was like, come on, please.

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But when they get to the point, it's boring, like it's a really

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really boring scene, it's so played, there's nothing here that

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they haven't done before, and we can't write a drama about the 2

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of them having some conflict.

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We have to just have them, you know, strapped to a thing so that

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they can't move and just talk about their backstory.

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And I just longed, did you remember that scene in Picard where

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Rios tells his starts telling a story and then his girlfriend, you

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know, like causes him sudden pain or resets his arm or something

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and says, yeah, he cries out.

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She goes, yeah, great story.

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And that's it?

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Or, you know, the fabulous archeologist person, the pirate.

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You know, he tells the sob backstory.

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Oh, fake Baxter.

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You know, my favourite still.

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My favourite is still...

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Tell him the story about the big, ugly tree.

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The ugly...

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They've got no sense of self-awareness in this show like that

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though, do they?

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So it's so right, and it's so boring.

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Like, there's really nothing to it.

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And the other plot which is sort of 1st contact with the

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Romulans.

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We can't do that.

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It's part of a huge series of episodes of enterprise where we have

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aliens that the audience knows about, but that the crew don't.

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And so we do have 1st contact with them, but it's not proper 1st

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contact because we can't spoil the 1st contact that we actually

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have happening later.

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So, you know, we have the 1st contact with the Romulans in is

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balance of terror.

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And we have the 1st contact with the Ferengi and Last Outpost, and

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we have the 1st contact with the Borg in Q Who, but we want to

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have them in Enterprise, and so we do this.

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And that's so important to the enterprise that even one of the ad

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break cliffhangers is to poll saying the word Romulan.

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But none of that matters.

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Yeah, they're the most fucking generic aliens possible.

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That is the trouble with early enterprise, right?

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Is it so fucking tentative?

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They're not willing to take any risks of any kind.

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So we're stuck with stereotypical bullshit like this week after

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week.

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What did we do before?

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Strange New World.

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We're going down on an alien planet.

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Thanks, guys.

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We've only done that 500 times before.

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I'm way more excited than this.

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I said to you in a message.

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I did a comparison because the last episode we did was Times

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Orphan. and Times Orphan had an absurd premise, yeah, an absurd

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science fiction premise, but it was packed to the gills with

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genuine sentiment and great character moments. yeah?

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This, on the other hand, has a reasonable premise, like a

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realistic premise, but the character work just isn't there.

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And so where that was an enjoyable watch, um, hung on a, you know

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ridiculous Star Trek idea, this is, oh, it's so mundane.

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And it's so hard to get through when the characters just aren't

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there for you to ease gently into the drama.

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Oh, it's so frustrating.

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I mean, we've watched episodes of Star Trek series one and 2 that

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we've liked, or at least that I've liked, Night in Sick Bay, for

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example.

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I can't think of many.

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But this is really unusually bad.

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There's kind of nothing going on here.

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And I think, you know, Berman and Braga are trying to pair back

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the premise.

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I think part of the problem with Star Trek at this point is it's

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like you have to know a whole lot of shit before you're allowed to

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watch Star Trek, you know, before you can properly appreciate it.

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And so they say, all right, we'll go back to the beginning where

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no one knows any of that stuff and where we're in a different time

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period.

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So those kind of rules don't quite apply.

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And that's a reasonable instinct and stuff.

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But they just don't do anything interesting. engaging and riveting

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within that, though. and it just isn't there.

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So much so that they obviously they reboot it for series 3 and

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whilst that's quite exciting and I know you have issues with it

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but they're being more ambitious.

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Again, it's not a massive success because it's rebooted again, but

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series 4 with a new showrunner, whose instincts are bang on.

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It was like, he's not doing any of this.

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He goes, no, we've done strange new wells.

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We've been strapped to bombs before and all this bullshit.

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Like, no, we're going to do these series of mini arcs and we're

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going to explore the quadrant and these races that we've got in a

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really interesting way.

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We should be doing that now at this point.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you know, the thing is that Strangely Worlds proves that

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it's possible to do a Star Trek show.

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And I mean, even Star Trek, the Next Generation did that, although

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part of what it did is fill the quadrant in in such a way that

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subsequent iterations of the show had to take all of that into

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account.

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But even Star Trek, The Next Generation, can do an episode on a

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planet that isn't involved in sort of galactic politics or

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anything like that.

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It can just do an episode like this.

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This is something that's happening again, sort of no particular

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background as far as I can tell.

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And the bad thing about it too is that this is episode 3 of series

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2.

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So episode one is Stormfront part two, so it resolves the

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Cliffhanger.

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Episode 2 is Carbon Creek, isn't it?

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with that sort of strange flashback. bit boring.

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So this is really their season two, episode one.

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This is them saying, here's what we're doing going forward in

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series 2, and what we're doing is the same boring shit that we

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were doing in series one.

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I mean, my big comparison with this episode was...

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Please go with me a second.

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Disaster from TNG.

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Because it's the same sort of thing.

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In disaster, it's quantum filaments or something. creating

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explosions.

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Here we're in a minefield.

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So we're in a situation where bombs and things could go off at any

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minute. disaster, they packed it full of great comedy and big over

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the top characters and those ridiculous children and all those

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things we loved.

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Here in our situation of extreme jeopardy, we get to know these 2

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boring straight men.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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What has happened to Star Trek?

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Why are they unlearn lessons?

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See, this is the other thing as well.

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Like you're joking about straight men, but I actually think that

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this show is once again centring the story of Star Trek on the

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experience of white men.

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And so the principal relationship at the moment is trip and archer

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who have a friendship.

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So they know one another.

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And so when Shiban gets his hands on it, he goes, well, there's

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another white guy whose relationship with Archer has gone

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underexplored and we should look at that.

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You know, you've had a show led by a woman, a show with strong

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women in it.

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You've had a show led by a black man and a really diverse cast.

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And this is sort of George W.

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Bushie or a Star Trek, and we're going back to basics and it's all

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about white men now.

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And it turns out that's played. you know, that's super boring.

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And these are boring, irritating, white man as well.

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Well, you've got to do it.

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Add another layer.

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Have something to say.

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They've got nothing to say about it.

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You know, so the lack of diversity just means there's a lack of

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colour and personality and all those things that make TV

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bearable.

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It's so stripped back this.

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It's so plain.

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Oh, what a way to start.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You've got an hour of watching the episode.

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I must apologise, though.

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I must apologise because I came into this episode with possibly my

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squeakiest and most excitable.

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Hey, and that's because we haven't recorded for 2 weeks and in no

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way, because I'm excited to talk about this particular episode.

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I just want to make that clear, okay?

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I think that might be clear.

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All right.

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Okay, so I will count as in.

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Yes, okay.

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Let's explore why I just like hanging out with gay people so

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much.

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Let's go.

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Okay.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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We said last week when we were sort of pressing the button.

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Do you remember, we were getting all those ball entitles for the

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Enterprise episode.

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That sounds quite exciting.

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No, we said it said, I'm really watching electric.

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It is quite boring, isn't it?

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Mindfield.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, the most generic title possible.

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So what's this?

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This gesture here.

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I think he's supposed to be zipping his collar up because he feels

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he looks too informal, but the collar doesn't work or the zipper

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doesn't work and so he just puts his hand on his chest and we keep

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shooting.

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Like, that's nothing.

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He stops and does nothing.

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Oh, just, you know what?

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I would, if my boss.

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Yeah, if my boss forced me to have breakfast with him, and then

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chose the meal that I was going to have, and then try to make

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small time.

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It would just seem the most agonising experience.

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For God's sakes.

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There are a reasons why we just work with you people, all right?

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We don't want to hang out with you as well.

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Well, yes, exactly.

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That would be really hard, you know, if you worked and lived on a

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spaceship, wouldn't it?

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You just couldn't get away from these people.

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Well, and there is a little bit of a sort of discussion of that as

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well here.

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So I don't know.

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I don't know.

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You know, the very famous eggs Benedict from the chef there.

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It does look very cold.

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It looks miserable.

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Yes.

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I think the holiday sauce on the top has congealed.

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Yes.

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So this whole conversation, which you mentioned, and we have

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Archer calling it soccer and then Malcolm calling it football.

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And there is a one funny line that Malcolm delivers later, which

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is a callback to this conversation. where they're talking about

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football.

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But it's awkward and it's actually unpleasant, like actively

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unpleasant to watch.

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Um, because Archer's being a dickhead and because Malcolm is right

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to be kind of put off by him.

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And I think we meant to feel the other way, aren't we?

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We're meant to sympathise with Archer and think that this guy's a

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stick in the mud, but aren't just being so fucking obnoxious.

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I have been a manager, yeah.

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If I was in this situation and someone came in and I was inviting

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them into a social situation and they wanted to talk about work.

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Guess what?

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I would talk about work because that would make them comfortable.

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Instead, he goes, no, don't talk about work.

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Come on, didn't your mother ever tell you?

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Don't take homework to the table.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's who I am.

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If I want to sit here and talk about work, that's what I'll do.

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He's he's a bad leader.

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That's what I'm saying.

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So this super awkward thing about the door, like who goes out the

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door 1st as well?

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Look, they both go to leave really quickly, and Archer, you know

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the after you, like the whole thing is just toe curlingly

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awkward.

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And then by the end of the episode, is it, it's not really very

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good.

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Yeah, because nothing's changed, really, isn't it?

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There's nothing to it.

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There's one, you know, there's a moment where Malcolm relaxes.

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And I think, you know, with a nothing character like this, it

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really just has to be down to the performance of the actor, did

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you see that, that, what was on the screen there?

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It was from the bloody title sequence.

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Did you say it?

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No, it wasn't.

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It was the special effect from the title sequence.

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I swear to God, you know where Enterprise is on the planet?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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At the top of the screen?

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Oh, it just looks like... season 2 episode one's got no budget at

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all.

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Oh, no, it does.

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There's your budget.

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That's a great shot.

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That is a good shot, isn't it?

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it's really good.

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I do love it when you can see inside the decks. from the outside

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of the ship.

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I don't do it very often.

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Voyager did it a couple of times.

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Okay, look at the planet.

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See, it's a different planet.

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It's not the same planet.

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Oh, my God.

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Getting from there to here. flying over the sea.

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Now my time is finally here.

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The HMS and the pro, sorry, please.

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With Zed.

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All of these amazing achievements of humanity.

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Yeah, mostly men.

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This is the achievement of men episode.

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It is.

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It is.

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It's appropriate for the show.

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Great man of history.

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Yeah, that's right.

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I do, I do love the fact that they've, they've put all these, you

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know, huge, and they are, even if they are achievements of men.

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They are achievements, all the same.

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And then at the end of it, they seem to suggest that the greatest

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achievement is Star Trek Enterprise.

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Do you know?

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There is a thing that I do like about this, though, because...

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Well, no, I mean, the song's terrible, but I like it anyway.

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Something about space, you know, Star Trek isn't enough about

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space and Star Trek the Next Generation wasn't about space at

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all.

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And this makes an attempt to be about space.

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And I kind of...

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Well, how tough it is getting out there and adjusting to it and

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all that.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's kind of boring though, isn't it?

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But it's something.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And like, oh, I wish they do more absurd Star Trek premises on

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this show, you know?

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Stop turning them into mutants and things.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So this is also the debut of the new uniforms.

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And the new uniforms are the same as the old uniforms, only

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slightly lighter blue.

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Now, not everyone's wearing them, but our principals are.

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Are you for real?

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Yeah.

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So they didn't debut in episode one because that was part 2 of

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Stormfront.

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Then we had a flashback.

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And so now they're wearing the slightly lighter blue uniforms

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because they're wearing much...

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So, guys in the back...

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You know, it's like with Star Trek, the Next Generation where they

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introduced the new uniforms in series three, but all the

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background artists were still wearing the old ones.

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So it's the same one here.

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Everyone in the...

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Those uniforms you could really see that they were more

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comfortable in them.

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Yeah, yeah.

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There was a tangible difference.

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If you hadn't have told me, I wouldn't know.

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No, no.

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But I think the difference, the only difference is they're

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slightly lighter in colour, which is a good call because this is a

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sort of fairly visually dull show on the whole, although he's Dr

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Flux in a fabulous 70s.

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I like going to Dr. Flux's sick bait, you know. quite light, isn't

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it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And I quite like that set, actually.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like there's, it looks a bit more real than a normal Star Trek

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said.

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They're bringing in someone pretty concerned.

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The red dwarf joke, couldn't they?

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The gun metal gray.

495
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Military gray and ocean gray.

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You're not wearing the right blue tip beautiful.

498
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That's right.

499
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That's right It's just a shade off.

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So we've wandered into a minefield.

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So this is basically your staple of any old war movie, you know

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we're doing sort of macho storytelling.

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We're in a minefield.

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We've got bombs to diffuse.

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And what's unusual here is the music is kind of going for it in

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this scene generally, but I just think there's no pace here at

507
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all.

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Like, I'm the only person who's giving it any kind of urgency is

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Connor.

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Like when we call into the, um, when we call into engineering and

511
00:22:35.339 --> 00:22:38.339
he's shouting and stuff like that and he's making it seem like

512
00:22:38.339 --> 00:22:39.180
there's some...

513
00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:41.339
Flames everywhere or there's a bit of...

514
00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:44.460
Everyone else, look at them all standing around, like there's no

515
00:22:44.460 --> 00:22:46.019
they're not just fucking reacting to anything.

516
00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:48.539
Jolene, Blaylock's like, I can't be arse with this.

517
00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:53.759
So she actually does a really good line delivery in this scene

518
00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:55.619
which I thought...

519
00:22:55.680 --> 00:23:00.779
Yeah, yeah, but like it's an absolutely nothing, uh, like, you

520
00:23:00.779 --> 00:23:04.140
know, functional bit of dialogue that she gives a little character

521
00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:05.039
moment to.

522
00:23:05.099 --> 00:23:07.319
And I just thought, oh, good for you.

523
00:23:07.380 --> 00:23:10.500
You're actually trying here unlike just about anyone else.

524
00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:13.740
You know what this episode needed, right?

525
00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:17.279
It needed to poll to do the thing that 7 of 9 used to do all the

526
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:17.700
time.

527
00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:20.279
And that is just cut straight to the point. yeah?

528
00:23:20.339 --> 00:23:22.140
We always love that about 7 of nine.

529
00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:25.799
We needed her to say to read an archer, you know, in the climax.

530
00:23:25.859 --> 00:23:27.420
Oh, well, you 2 just talk already.

531
00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:32.640
For God's sake, just kiss. come on Oh, that would be the most

532
00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:34.200
hideous kiss, though, wouldn't he?

533
00:23:34.259 --> 00:23:36.539
There was some CGI going on here.

534
00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:37.920
Instrument coming out?

535
00:23:37.980 --> 00:23:39.960
This is...

536
00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:41.880
Look, there. is from the title sequence.

537
00:23:41.940 --> 00:23:42.960
Oh, yeah.

538
00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:43.440
You see that?

539
00:23:44.099 --> 00:23:45.180
I don't know.

540
00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:46.200
I'm not that convinced.

541
00:23:46.259 --> 00:23:50.039
It can't be that expensive to do a new planet, for God's sake.

542
00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:55.200
Um, so it's that that line there where she says it's not going to

543
00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:58.680
work because it was designed to detect solaban technology.

544
00:23:58.740 --> 00:24:01.559
And then she catches herself and goes, actually, that's a bit

545
00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:05.339
pissy and unhelpful, and then she says, I'll try changing the

546
00:24:05.339 --> 00:24:09.240
phase variance, but you can actually see her thinking as if she's

547
00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:11.579
just thought of the 2nd half of that line.

548
00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:16.619
And I know I'm clutching at straws, but it does just...

549
00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:18.420
I'm going to try and get this scene something.

550
00:24:18.539 --> 00:24:20.039
Yeah, I'm going to try and give it something.

551
00:24:20.099 --> 00:24:23.400
And so she manages to eke a little character moment out of it.

552
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:25.019
But there's nothing for her either.

553
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:26.460
All the time.

554
00:24:26.460 --> 00:24:29.940
I am going to contradict somebody you just said there because you

555
00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:32.039
know that whole thing you said about sort of going into space.

556
00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:36.599
I just watched over 30 seconds, him putting a spacesuit on.

557
00:24:36.660 --> 00:24:38.460
Yeah, and I get it.

558
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:41.400
I get, you need to put a space fit on to go outside the ship, but

559
00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:42.299
fuck me.

560
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:44.819
We did an episode recently, Npok Law, where they were just in the

561
00:24:44.819 --> 00:24:47.279
spacesuit straight away, straight to the horror and the drama.

562
00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:47.819
Yeah.

563
00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:49.980
So here, I think too.

564
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:53.880
The fact that when they're outside and they're trying to play it

565
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:56.819
for some reason as if we're in low gravity, even though we're on

566
00:24:56.819 --> 00:24:58.500
the fucking surface of the ship.

567
00:24:58.619 --> 00:24:59.579
Do you know what I mean?

568
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:01.079
We can have whatever gravity we want.

569
00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:04.619
But we've decided it's low gravity and we're in, and so the line

570
00:25:04.619 --> 00:25:09.180
like the, everything is glacially slow. like they move slow.

571
00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:13.019
Oh, there's there's little robot read, advancing towards the

572
00:25:13.019 --> 00:25:14.700
generated thing.

573
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:16.680
I do want to say, though.

574
00:25:16.740 --> 00:25:19.500
Like we watched 1st contact recently, which had a similar sequence

575
00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:22.079
on the exterior of the Enterprise.

576
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:27.539
And given the budget differential, I don't think they did too

577
00:25:27.539 --> 00:25:28.140
badly here.

578
00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:29.640
On the whole, you know?

579
00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:31.200
Yeah, I think there's some good shots.

580
00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:33.599
Like, I think there's some good shots, but part of the problem is

581
00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:41.099
that when the 2 of them are out here, the scene is played so slow

582
00:25:41.099 --> 00:25:44.220
in order to just reinforce that we're in space.

583
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:47.579
We have to talk very slowly to each other.

584
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:49.980
We have to wait in between our speeches.

585
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:52.559
Everything is just deadly dull.

586
00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:55.740
Can I confess something to you?

587
00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:59.339
Right, so I put this episode on and sort of somewhere in the 1st

588
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:02.640
10 minutes, a food delivery order came right.

589
00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:04.740
I was so lazy, I couldn't have been be asked to go to the shops

590
00:26:04.740 --> 00:26:08.099
and it was crisp and sweets and all sorts, you know, snacky food.

591
00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:11.759
And I was just going to have some crisps, but I was just so bored

592
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:12.539
watching this.

593
00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:15.420
By the time I got to the end of the episode, that entire food

594
00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:16.259
order had gone.

595
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:18.599
I'd eat an order, Chris, all the sweets.

596
00:26:18.660 --> 00:26:21.539
I was like, something's got to make this endurable, this slow

597
00:26:21.539 --> 00:26:22.380
episode.

598
00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:25.440
Enterprise is making me fat.

599
00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:31.799
Why don't we just attach the whole plate thing, let it drift

600
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:32.099
away?

601
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:33.240
Oh, that's what they do, isn't it?

602
00:26:33.299 --> 00:26:33.779
At the end?

603
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:34.740
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

604
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:35.579
But that's the whole thing.

605
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:39.000
So we'll get there because that's the, you know, there's a big

606
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:43.680
command decision that Archer has to make and we're given no

607
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:47.880
insight into why he chooses to make the decision that he makes and

608
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:49.140
none of it makes any sense.

609
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:50.220
But that's kind of the thing.

610
00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:51.660
We have these 2 alternatives.

611
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:56.460
We let Malcolm defuse the bomb or we just let it drift into Spain

612
00:26:56.460 --> 00:26:58.319
and both of them are kind of possible.

613
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:03.900
One of my favourite TV shows when I was a nipper was Quantum

614
00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:04.500
League, right?

615
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:05.700
I just...

616
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:08.519
I loved I loved the sort of Doctor Who-ish premise of being able

617
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:10.619
to go in all those different time zones.

618
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:14.220
And one of the big parts of the reason I love that was Scott

619
00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:20.220
Baxter, who just adjusted to the tone of every episode so well and

620
00:27:20.220 --> 00:27:24.059
was just so effortlessly likeable throughout the entire run.

621
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.700
Whether the episode was good or bad, you wanted to hang out with

622
00:27:26.700 --> 00:27:27.660
Sam Beckett, right?

623
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:28.259
Yeah, yeah.

624
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:29.099
What happened?

625
00:27:29.220 --> 00:27:30.480
I don't know. don't know.

626
00:27:30.539 --> 00:27:32.279
How did they make him this boring?

627
00:27:32.339 --> 00:27:32.940
Boring, yeah.

628
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:38.220
So we've just seen our 1st Romulan ship and I thought that it was

629
00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:44.039
actually pretty good because I think it looks like something that

630
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:48.839
might have been designed in the TOS era, but it's got a kind of

631
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:52.140
modern sensibility it's able to have sort of curved, you know

632
00:27:52.140 --> 00:27:53.460
curved lines and stuff like that.

633
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:56.339
It looks a bit paired back, but I actually think it's quite a good

634
00:27:56.339 --> 00:27:56.819
design.

635
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:58.559
So that's.

636
00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:01.559
Did you see the graphs on the wall behind Tapole there when she

637
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:05.339
was, it looked like she was editing a podcast while was going on?

638
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:06.420
Did you see?

639
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:07.259
She was.

640
00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:09.839
So I like this.

641
00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:12.960
This is the other bit that I like where Hoshi just gets up and

642
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:18.059
says, tell them I'm on my way and she like, it's so rare for her

643
00:28:18.059 --> 00:28:19.500
to get anything like that.

644
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:21.839
Yeah, yeah, a line.

645
00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:23.220
And I thought that was really great.

646
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:24.779
Like, she just says, oh, fuck it.

647
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:25.680
Tell her I'm on.

648
00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:28.200
And that's a good line for her and a good kind of character moment

649
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:28.859
for her.

650
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:29.940
But that's all she gets.

651
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.220
And then it's just back to now...

652
00:28:32.220 --> 00:28:34.559
I like to imagine Linda Park had a highlight, all right?

653
00:28:34.619 --> 00:28:38.700
Every time she got a line. she'd highlight the script, but she

654
00:28:38.700 --> 00:28:41.099
never had to get a 2nd pen in the whole 4 seasons.

655
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:46.319
She could have shared a pen with her with that.

656
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:48.539
Travis.

657
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:49.980
You want to borrow the fence?

658
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:51.480
How many lines you got this week?

659
00:28:51.539 --> 00:28:52.859
Oh, no.

660
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:54.720
I'm just doing reaction shots this week.

661
00:28:54.779 --> 00:28:55.259
Don't worry.

662
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:55.920
Keep it.

663
00:28:55.980 --> 00:28:56.700
Save the ink.

664
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:59.700
Travis does get more lines than usual this week.

665
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:02.460
But again, there's a kind of...

666
00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:05.819
Because he gets to say things because we're mostly on the bridge

667
00:29:05.819 --> 00:29:08.579
and talking about going places and stuff.

668
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.220
Um, so, yeah.

669
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:12.240
He's so pretty.

670
00:29:12.539 --> 00:29:16.380
Travis, I'd give him... make him the lead of every episode.

671
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.079
Remember the end of the episode when we were in the alternative

672
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:21.119
universe and he was in bed with Linda Park.

673
00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:21.539
Do you remember?

674
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:22.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

675
00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:24.000
Oh, man, it was so hot.

676
00:29:24.059 --> 00:29:24.480
Yeah.

677
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:27.299
And when they do give him lines, he's good.

678
00:29:27.420 --> 00:29:28.440
I think he's good.

679
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:30.299
Why don't they realise what they've got?

680
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:34.500
This is another thing, too, that because all of the computer stuff

681
00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:38.339
is, is, all of the space stuff is computer generated, it's not

682
00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:41.940
real models, they've kind of decided that they can actually, you

683
00:29:41.940 --> 00:29:45.599
know, make them look staticky and stuff are not real as if they're

684
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.940
cloaked, which is something that we probably wouldn't have thought

685
00:29:47.940 --> 00:29:48.599
of doing before.

686
00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:49.920
So that's something.

687
00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:50.759
Do you know what I mean?

688
00:29:50.819 --> 00:29:52.259
Like, I think that shot's kind of okay.

689
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:55.500
I mean, Nathan, at the moment, yeah, there's a Romulan ship just

690
00:29:55.500 --> 00:29:59.400
there, and they are literally going through traversing a minefield

691
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:01.019
in the extreme danger.

692
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:03.960
There's a bomb literally stuck to the outside of enterprise.

693
00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:05.940
Travis has sweat all over his brow.

694
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.680
Why is this so boring?

695
00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:11.579
Yeah, in fact, it's almost like it should be so exciting.

696
00:30:11.579 --> 00:30:15.059
It's almost like they put the sweat on Travis's brow so that we

697
00:30:15.059 --> 00:30:17.880
would know that it was a tense situation because there's literally

698
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:19.140
nothing else.

699
00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:21.900
You know, like nothing else at all.

700
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:24.119
It's so limp, isn't it?

701
00:30:24.180 --> 00:30:24.660
It's amazing.

702
00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:26.640
Something's not working out here.

703
00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:28.859
Quick, get the water bottle on, Anthony Montgomery.

704
00:30:28.980 --> 00:30:30.240
Squirt, squirt, squirt.

705
00:30:30.299 --> 00:30:31.559
Squirt Anthony's forehead.

706
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:33.839
I think you are right.

707
00:30:33.900 --> 00:30:35.339
I think he probably is the pacing though.

708
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:36.359
Yeah, it is.

709
00:30:36.420 --> 00:30:38.640
The pacing is really bad, isn't it?

710
00:30:38.700 --> 00:30:44.339
So, this guy does 5 episodes of Enterprise, James Conner.

711
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:46.380
I don't know anything else about him.

712
00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:48.299
I could tell you something about him.

713
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:54.960
James Compner is a director of some fantastic episodes of Buffy

714
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:55.799
the Vampires.

715
00:30:55.859 --> 00:30:56.160
Oh, wow.

716
00:30:56.220 --> 00:31:00.960
So you've got a Buffy director and an X-Files writer bringing this

717
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:01.740
bullshit to life.

718
00:31:01.859 --> 00:31:07.680
So we've now got the big new thing that we've done in this episode

719
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:14.579
which is that Malcolm has a big spike through his leg. sticking

720
00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:16.799
him to the hospital. did make you win...

721
00:31:16.859 --> 00:31:19.619
Yeah, and it does, like, and there's some computer generated

722
00:31:19.619 --> 00:31:20.039
blood.

723
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:25.680
And then, you know, like, um, you know, that, you know, you get

724
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:30.299
the corking gun, you know, like it seals automatically around the

725
00:31:30.299 --> 00:31:32.400
wound. like there's this sort of staff.

726
00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:36.779
And so, so what ends up happening is that should be tense because

727
00:31:36.779 --> 00:31:41.279
he's horribly injured, but it's not because they just give him a

728
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:47.279
shot of anaesthetic and basically all that is happening is, is

729
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:48.660
he's immobilised.

730
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:51.720
And so no tension is caused by the fact that he's been seriously

731
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:52.380
injured.

732
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:53.700
We just neutralise that.

733
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:58.799
And so again, every time that it comes time to do something, they

734
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:00.599
take the most boring option.

735
00:32:00.660 --> 00:32:04.619
So aren't just about to say that it hasn't hit the bone, so it

736
00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:05.160
doesn't matter.

737
00:32:05.220 --> 00:32:06.480
Do you know what I mean?

738
00:32:06.539 --> 00:32:09.480
And like, like he never exhibits any pain.

739
00:32:09.539 --> 00:32:14.460
Um, he does a little bit of a sort of gag about a very limp shitty

740
00:32:14.460 --> 00:32:19.200
gag about the drugs and then it's never mentioned again.

741
00:32:19.259 --> 00:32:21.299
Do you remember?

742
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:25.500
Yeah, the Buffy the Vampire episode at the end of series 4 where

743
00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:27.839
they're all having the strange dreams about the cheese man.

744
00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:28.740
Yeah, yeah.

745
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.559
James A. Continent directed it that episode.

746
00:32:31.619 --> 00:32:35.400
He also did 2 of the Dark Willow episodes in series six.

747
00:32:35.460 --> 00:32:36.839
This man can direct.

748
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:37.799
What went wrong?

749
00:32:37.859 --> 00:32:40.440
Yeah, I don't know. don't know.

750
00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:43.079
Maybe maybe he just went, oh, the scripture.

751
00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:44.099
It's not worth my talent.

752
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.920
Yeah, because this is a functional job.

753
00:32:46.980 --> 00:32:47.700
Yeah, yeah.

754
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:48.420
Yeah.

755
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:49.500
Oh, God.

756
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:52.019
So the Star Trek people have forgotten how to write.

757
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.079
The Buffy directors have forgotten how to direct. direct.

758
00:32:55.140 --> 00:32:57.779
No one's really bothering to act, are they?

759
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:05.819
Yeah, so we can give him anaesthetic through the, through the, you

760
00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:10.859
know, vacuum sealed space suit, which is good.

761
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:11.700
That's a good trick.

762
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:13.259
I mean, I don't care. like whatever.

763
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.359
You really are clutching at straws now.

764
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:19.200
But I mean, this whole conversation is all stuff that we've

765
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:19.559
already heard.

766
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.799
We know about trips planned to let the thing go.

767
00:33:22.859 --> 00:33:23.700
You know.

768
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:24.960
I don't know.

769
00:33:25.019 --> 00:33:27.119
It's so functional though, isn't it?

770
00:33:27.180 --> 00:33:29.640
All of it is so okay, we're going to try this.

771
00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:30.299
We're going to do that.

772
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:31.019
We going to try this.

773
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:33.839
Like, there's nothing imaginative about it.

774
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:35.519
There's nothing creative about any of it.

775
00:33:35.579 --> 00:33:38.400
It's like we're going to go through all of the motions that we can

776
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:41.700
possibly go through to get you out of this bomb and this bomb away

777
00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:42.119
from the ship.

778
00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:44.099
And so he gets...

779
00:33:44.099 --> 00:33:46.319
And then at the end of the episode, the bomb gets away from the

780
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:48.299
ship and...

781
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:48.960
Yeah.

782
00:33:49.019 --> 00:33:52.559
So he gets the drug, shot of the drug, and he goes, please, sir

783
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:54.900
can I have some more in a sort of cockney accent?

784
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:59.099
you know, as if he's Oliver Twist, and that's supposed to be funny

785
00:33:59.099 --> 00:34:03.000
and he smiles, and that's kind of, you know, like, he's British

786
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:06.779
Nathan. and so Oliver Twist and football are the only 2 things

787
00:34:06.779 --> 00:34:10.139
that are defined. that we have.

788
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:12.780
He should have said something at the startlight.

789
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:13.800
You ever watch Doctor Who?

790
00:34:13.860 --> 00:34:16.500
I believe that ran for 60 years or so.

791
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:18.059
Have you ever eaten a black pudding?

792
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:19.619
Do you know what kid there are?

793
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.079
Have you had pudding yesterday?

794
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:22.920
Toad in the hole.

795
00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:23.760
Holy crap.

796
00:34:23.820 --> 00:34:25.019
Um...

797
00:34:25.019 --> 00:34:31.079
How many well cliches are there about the British?

798
00:34:31.619 --> 00:34:34.380
I want to know what you people say about us.

799
00:34:34.500 --> 00:34:35.340
Oh my god.

800
00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:36.719
Well, that's quite a nice shot there.

801
00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:38.579
It's putting away from the Enterprise.

802
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:39.719
That was awesome.

803
00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:42.239
Yeah, like some of the effect shots are quite tasty.

804
00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:45.960
But it doesn't matter a jot if the writing isn't there.

805
00:34:46.019 --> 00:34:49.139
You can put as many pretty images as you like on the screen.

806
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:51.659
Well, no, I mean, I think pretty images matter.

807
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:52.619
Like it's television.

808
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.199
Let's do pretty images, but yes, I'm bored.

809
00:34:55.260 --> 00:34:56.039
Do you know what I mean?

810
00:34:56.099 --> 00:34:57.000
Like I'm super bored.

811
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.179
I mean, if you went on a date, right?

812
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:02.159
Yeah, with somebody who was very pretty, yeah.

813
00:35:02.219 --> 00:35:04.679
Well, I'll just say, you know, imagine someone really pretty right

814
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:04.860
now.

815
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:08.880
They were utterly charmless, you know, and serious with a bug up

816
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.239
their butt, and, you know, nothing creative or fun about them at

817
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:12.480
all.

818
00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:14.820
Would you last to the end of the date?

819
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.699
I know, are they going to put out afterwards?

820
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:19.440
Oh, I doubt it.

821
00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:21.179
Not if it's Malcolm Reed.

822
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:24.719
No. don't think he knows how.

823
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:28.139
There was some talk about him being gay, wasn't there?

824
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.239
Or some discussion about whether they were going to make him gay

825
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:31.800
or was that just...

826
00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:34.980
That boring man, the one gay character in Enterprise.

827
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:38.340
Make it, make it, Anthony Montgomery.

828
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:39.480
Yeah, yeah, that would have been great.

829
00:35:39.539 --> 00:35:40.980
That would have made sense.

830
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:42.239
He would have seen some action.

831
00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:45.960
We did have the, we just missed the incredibly boring, the

832
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:52.440
Romulans cliffhanger, which is super boring for everyone concerned

833
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:54.480
because no one apart from us.

834
00:35:54.539 --> 00:35:59.880
And again, if we're pairing back, if we're pairing back the law, if

835
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:02.460
we're making it so that you don't have to be a mastermind

836
00:36:02.460 --> 00:36:07.019
contendant to watch this stupid show, then why is these are the

837
00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:10.380
Romulans, like the thing that we go to the ad break on?

838
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:12.480
You know, like that's super boring.

839
00:36:12.539 --> 00:36:15.900
What's a limper word than cliffhanger?

840
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:17.159
Because I think that's too extreme.

841
00:36:17.340 --> 00:36:21.480
The choice I... a precipice... a precipice drooper.

842
00:36:21.539 --> 00:36:22.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

843
00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:23.280
It's just the ad.

844
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:26.400
Ads, you know, we're going out to the ad break on this very boring

845
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:29.280
thing. that's right.

846
00:36:29.340 --> 00:36:30.900
Oh, no, this.

847
00:36:30.900 --> 00:36:31.800
Jesus Christ.

848
00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:34.800
The most exciting thing this episode could possibly do is blow the

849
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:35.340
pair of them up.

850
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.320
Yeah, that would have surprised me.

851
00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:44.280
Well, I wonder whether, you know, like, think about when Kess

852
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:48.059
leaves Voyager.

853
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:51.900
Um, she leaves in sort of episode 2, doesn't she?

854
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:53.760
Like at the end of episode two.

855
00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:59.400
So like if, if, um, poor old, it's Dominic Keating, isn't it?

856
00:36:59.460 --> 00:37:00.239
Is that his name?

857
00:37:00.300 --> 00:37:01.440
No, that's his name.

858
00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:05.760
If he had sort of said, fuck this, I'm not going to get any acting

859
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:07.380
opportunities here, I'm going, home.

860
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.559
This would be the episode where you do it.

861
00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:11.519
Do you know what I mean?

862
00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:15.000
Because it's the 1st regular episode of the 2nd season and they

863
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:16.619
haven't killed him off in the finale.

864
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:21.599
I'll just be complaining what a boring way to go in such a dull

865
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:22.500
episode, you know?

866
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:23.880
I'd still be complaining.

867
00:37:23.940 --> 00:37:28.800
But it does kind of work in that we have the captain's attempt to

868
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:29.579
reach out to him.

869
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:31.800
We centre on him in a way that we haven't before.

870
00:37:31.860 --> 00:37:35.340
We have that awkward breakfast, then he tells the story of that

871
00:37:35.340 --> 00:37:40.800
just interminable fucking story. about his uncle who is scared of

872
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:41.820
drowning.

873
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:44.159
Imagine just being scared of drowning.

874
00:37:44.219 --> 00:37:48.659
Most people are comfortable with the idea of drowning, but this

875
00:37:48.659 --> 00:37:55.739
this pussy is scared of drowning, like, like...

876
00:37:55.739 --> 00:37:59.039
I generally jump into the sea, you know, just hold my breath and

877
00:37:59.039 --> 00:37:59.579
have a great time.

878
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:01.079
We've all done it.

879
00:38:01.139 --> 00:38:03.780
So this guy scared of drowning, and then he drowns to save the

880
00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:06.360
ship, and then, you know, Malcolm is going to do the same thing.

881
00:38:06.420 --> 00:38:09.480
And there is a great moment, which I think is actually pretty good

882
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:13.679
where Malcolm just pulls the thing out of his suit and says, fuck

883
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.480
this, I'm going to make the decision for you.

884
00:38:15.539 --> 00:38:16.980
You're making a dumb decision.

885
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:18.059
I'm going to make the decision.

886
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:22.320
But no, they still should have put hung a lantern on and go, well

887
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.719
I can't bear this boring conversation anymore.

888
00:38:24.780 --> 00:38:26.880
I just pulled it out.

889
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.500
We can't have any more cliches.

890
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:32.099
I'm sorry.

891
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:32.880
It's got to end.

892
00:38:32.940 --> 00:38:39.840
And now he's explaining to us how he felt in that 1st scene where

893
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:41.519
he was having breakfast with the captain.

894
00:38:41.579 --> 00:38:44.099
It's just like, it was visible, Malcolm Rees.

895
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:45.059
We watched that scene.

896
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:48.659
We don't need you to tell us how you felt because that was what

897
00:38:48.659 --> 00:38:51.000
the acting in that scene was for.

898
00:38:51.059 --> 00:38:52.920
Why are you telling us?

899
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.619
were collectively clenched during that scene.

900
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:56.940
Okay.

901
00:38:56.940 --> 00:39:00.239
And should I all of this stuff pulling out the rods?

902
00:39:00.300 --> 00:39:04.079
It's just so, there's just no imagination in this.

903
00:39:04.139 --> 00:39:06.360
Sorry, but it's Star Trek.

904
00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:07.679
One of my favourite scenes.

905
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.440
No, no, no, Bob, you, no, standard stuff.

906
00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:11.639
Yes, but we've done this.

907
00:39:11.699 --> 00:39:12.360
Exactly.

908
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:13.260
So many times.

909
00:39:13.260 --> 00:39:17.159
But they think this is new just because it's new characters doing

910
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:17.400
it.

911
00:39:17.460 --> 00:39:18.960
And it's really long.

912
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.139
Like, it's the absolute focus of the episode.

913
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:26.219
And so the one that I think, which is really great. where we do

914
00:39:26.219 --> 00:39:28.980
this because we do this all the fucking time in Star Trek.

915
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:33.000
We alternate between, you know, pass me the hyper spanner and you

916
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:35.159
know, talking about our wife or like whatever.

917
00:39:35.219 --> 00:39:40.079
And there's that one moment in the outcast where Soren turns to

918
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:43.500
Riker during this scene and says, tell me about your sexual

919
00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:44.400
organs.

920
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:49.800
Which, I think, would have livened this scene up enormously.

921
00:39:50.340 --> 00:39:52.559
Oh boy, would it?

922
00:39:52.619 --> 00:39:55.320
But like the bit the bit in Starship Down.

923
00:39:55.380 --> 00:39:58.079
Where Cork has to choose which rod to pull out.

924
00:39:58.139 --> 00:40:00.780
And it all becomes a massive character moment.

925
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:02.280
It goes, it's like gambling.

926
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:04.260
It's a it's a game of chance.

927
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:05.639
That's what makes it so exciting.

928
00:40:05.699 --> 00:40:06.360
We might die.

929
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:07.199
Let's go.

930
00:40:07.260 --> 00:40:08.519
And it just falls one out.

931
00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:10.139
And it's so great.

932
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:10.980
And guess what?

933
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:12.719
It only lasts like 2 minutes.

934
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:14.699
It's sort of 20 minutes.

935
00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:16.980
It never stops.

936
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:18.420
Never stops.

937
00:40:18.539 --> 00:40:22.199
Also, you're talking in the past tense, lieutenant, and he hasn't

938
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:24.480
used a past tense verb at all in that entire speech.

939
00:40:24.539 --> 00:40:26.400
So this guy's a writer.

940
00:40:26.460 --> 00:40:29.519
He should know that that annoys me because I'm a pedant.

941
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:31.079
Or a pedant.

942
00:40:31.139 --> 00:40:34.739
I think John Shaban doesn't realise there is a much more exciting

943
00:40:34.739 --> 00:40:36.300
way to pull rods than this.

944
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.280
Yeah, I mean, this is so boring.

945
00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:41.519
I have to say though, this prop is pretty great.

946
00:40:41.579 --> 00:40:42.960
Do you know what I mean?

947
00:40:43.019 --> 00:40:44.400
Like, don't you think the prop is pretty good?

948
00:40:44.579 --> 00:40:49.199
But it, oh, I think the whole ship, the engineering, all the props

949
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:53.460
they do, it all looks nicely functional, like it does the jobs

950
00:40:53.460 --> 00:40:54.119
that it should.

951
00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:56.219
Yeah, but again, who cares?

952
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:59.880
It's just like, let's watch. let's watch Bakula play with this

953
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:00.539
prop.

954
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.980
And the prop will be back as I think it's like, according to

955
00:41:04.980 --> 00:41:08.940
memory alpha, like part of some Zindi hardware or something, so

956
00:41:08.940 --> 00:41:09.960
they keep...

957
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:10.860
He's still sweating there.

958
00:41:10.860 --> 00:41:11.400
He's still sweating.

959
00:41:11.460 --> 00:41:13.199
Okay, forget his name.

960
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:14.519
Spray Anthony's forehead.

961
00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:16.500
What's the character's name?

962
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:17.039
Travis.

963
00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:18.179
Travis.

964
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:18.599
Oh thank you.

965
00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:21.119
See, I should know the regular's name in this show.

966
00:41:21.179 --> 00:41:22.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

967
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:23.760
No, I do, but that's my brother's name.

968
00:41:23.820 --> 00:41:24.840
So that's kind of why.

969
00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:27.300
Arming the backup mechanism.

970
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:28.860
Oh, God.

971
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.400
You'll have to fall the circuit into thinking it's still online.

972
00:41:32.579 --> 00:41:34.320
How do we do that?

973
00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:36.659
There's a hyper spanner in the equipment case.

974
00:41:36.780 --> 00:41:39.300
I mean, really. boring, isn't it?

975
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:41.519
No, I will say about John Shaban, right?

976
00:41:41.579 --> 00:41:44.340
I mean, I said excitedly, he was an X-Files writer.

977
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:48.539
He was the most meat and potatoes of all the guitars, writers, like

978
00:41:48.539 --> 00:41:50.219
oh, his episodes were so dreary.

979
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:51.599
Yeah, generally speaking.

980
00:41:51.659 --> 00:41:54.960
Every now and again, like Vince Skilligan, you know, went on to do

981
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:55.559
Breaking Bad.

982
00:41:55.619 --> 00:41:56.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

983
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:58.559
Every now and again, they paired him up with Vince Gilligan and

984
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:00.780
suddenly John Spann's episode was quality.

985
00:42:00.780 --> 00:42:01.739
Just shut up.

986
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:04.980
They did the one.

987
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:06.960
Do you remember the one with the genie that was wrapped up in the

988
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:11.219
carpet that granted free wishes and Mulder went, I want peace on

989
00:42:11.219 --> 00:42:14.460
earth, and the genie got rid of everyone else on the earth, except

990
00:42:14.460 --> 00:42:14.880
him.

991
00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:18.539
And he walks out into the Washington DC street and there's no one

992
00:42:18.539 --> 00:42:19.320
there at all.

993
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:24.539
I don't think that was John Shaban's doing that.

994
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:26.880
Not if this is representative of his work.

995
00:42:27.539 --> 00:42:31.019
Oh, now we've got instruments coming out of cases.

996
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:32.460
What's that, a spanner?

997
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:34.920
No, it looks like a scout. you paying attention?

998
00:42:34.980 --> 00:42:36.059
God no.

999
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:37.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1000
00:42:37.380 --> 00:42:40.800
Maybe if I was an engineer, you know, I might find this a bit more

1001
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:41.400
exciting.

1002
00:42:41.460 --> 00:42:42.780
Tinkering about it.

1003
00:42:42.780 --> 00:42:47.099
I mean, it is so boring and like, what if I was a straight man?

1004
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:48.539
Drink, I'd like this people.

1005
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:49.800
I think this is just boring.

1006
00:42:49.860 --> 00:42:56.099
I think, like, it's the result of pairing the whole thing down so

1007
00:42:56.099 --> 00:42:59.099
that everything is as simple as possible so that Star Trek isn't

1008
00:42:59.099 --> 00:42:59.820
hard to follow.

1009
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.159
Like they do dumb the show down.

1010
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:08.280
And also showing us how everything functions to the minute detail

1011
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:10.199
instead of just getting to the point.

1012
00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:12.960
Well, this should be tense.

1013
00:43:13.019 --> 00:43:14.219
Do you know what I mean?

1014
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:16.019
Because we're diffusing a bomb.

1015
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:19.619
So it should be tense, but it's not.

1016
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:23.219
And everything is like super boring.

1017
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:27.599
And this thing, the fucking afraid of drowning thing is so dumb.

1018
00:43:27.659 --> 00:43:29.280
It's so dumb.

1019
00:43:29.340 --> 00:43:30.840
Afraid of drowning.

1020
00:43:30.900 --> 00:43:32.159
You chose to be in space.

1021
00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:34.139
Yeah. just like, wow.

1022
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:34.860
You're so brave.

1023
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:36.239
So bizarre.

1024
00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:37.739
But like, they're afraid.

1025
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:38.400
What a man.

1026
00:43:38.460 --> 00:43:39.179
What a man.

1027
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:40.380
Oh my god.

1028
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:41.699
Oh, dear.

1029
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.280
Oh, Nathan.

1030
00:43:44.340 --> 00:43:48.539
Listen, this may have been my hardest test, you know, so far, and

1031
00:43:48.539 --> 00:43:49.559
I'm tiles.

1032
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:52.139
Right, yeah, we're looking through this.

1033
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:53.460
No, I'm watching the talking.

1034
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.159
You and me can talk about anything, right?

1035
00:43:56.219 --> 00:43:59.400
If needs be, we'll talk about me making a cup of tea or something

1036
00:43:59.400 --> 00:43:59.820
like that.

1037
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:02.039
No, watching this thing.

1038
00:44:02.099 --> 00:44:06.059
No, well, I watched it twice because I'm a very professional

1039
00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:08.039
dedicated podcaster.

1040
00:44:08.099 --> 00:44:10.380
Start with the topmost component.

1041
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:14.579
Use the calliper to lift it a few millimetres and then turn it

1042
00:44:14.579 --> 00:44:17.340
clockwise, 360 degrees.

1043
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:18.840
And gently.

1044
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:19.500
And Star Trek.

1045
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:21.539
Gently reinsert it now.

1046
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.179
Now that sounds exciting. saucy it's starting to get saucy.

1047
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:24.780
Oh, here we go.

1048
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:27.599
He was something of a hero to me, my great uncle.

1049
00:44:28.260 --> 00:44:30.960
You mean the one with aquophobia?

1050
00:44:31.019 --> 00:44:33.239
Yeah, that's the one. the other one.

1051
00:44:33.300 --> 00:44:35.039
No, he has aquaphobia.

1052
00:44:35.099 --> 00:44:39.300
Malcolm has aquophobia, and his uncle has aquophobia, but

1053
00:44:39.300 --> 00:44:42.840
ironically, he drowned and he found out he quite liked it

1054
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:43.320
apparently.

1055
00:44:43.380 --> 00:44:44.400
No, that doesn't happen.

1056
00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:49.139
But, like, it's so boring.

1057
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:50.460
Like, who cares?

1058
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:52.079
is so boring.

1059
00:44:53.099 --> 00:44:57.599
Jesus, right. you know, they could have, they made a joke of this

1060
00:44:57.599 --> 00:44:58.440
at the end, you know.

1061
00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:02.280
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know your uncle, the one who had fear of

1062
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:03.420
drowning, him.

1063
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:07.500
Just make a joke out of it or something. like it's really shit.

1064
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:08.639
Like, that's nothing.

1065
00:45:08.699 --> 00:45:13.260
Like, that's the best we come up with. something exciting just

1066
00:45:13.260 --> 00:45:13.619
happened there.

1067
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:17.519
They was pressing those rods clockwise, and now he's telling them

1068
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:19.380
to do it. counterclockwise.

1069
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:19.980
Yeah, yeah.

1070
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:21.960
Anti-clockwise, as we say.

1071
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:23.820
We haven't tried that.

1072
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:25.800
So that might be the solution to this.

1073
00:45:25.860 --> 00:45:27.599
That's so interesting.

1074
00:45:27.659 --> 00:45:30.539
Oh, they hit a mine left over from the world war.

1075
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:31.199
Here we go.

1076
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:35.940
Oh, this trapped underneath an ice shelf.

1077
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:39.300
So like it's so bad.

1078
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:40.380
It's so bad.

1079
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:44.039
Like, it's always terrible when Star Trek characters tell these

1080
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:45.719
stories. like they're super boring.

1081
00:45:45.780 --> 00:45:50.039
They're not what anyone does and they're all really overdetermined

1082
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:54.059
and stuff like that and it's kind of like, like, oh, the man

1083
00:45:54.059 --> 00:45:57.179
afraid of drowning, ironically, drowned.

1084
00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:59.579
The ship was sinking. blah, blah, blah.

1085
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:00.900
Jesus Christ.

1086
00:46:01.019 --> 00:46:04.860
Do you remember that time when Kira was fixed to the spot and a

1087
00:46:04.860 --> 00:46:07.500
great enormous rock was developing over her?

1088
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:09.179
I really miss those days.

1089
00:46:11.340 --> 00:46:14.099
At least it was a bit quirky, you know?

1090
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:16.380
Yeah, yeah, stupid, I think you mean.

1091
00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:17.820
And it was.

1092
00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:19.739
Yeah, but I would take stupid over this.

1093
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:21.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1094
00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:21.480
Yeah.

1095
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:26.280
You name me the stupidest Star Trek episode and I would watch it

1096
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:27.300
over this.

1097
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:28.260
Genesis.

1098
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:28.739
Oh, there.

1099
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:30.000
Subros, yes, please.

1100
00:46:30.059 --> 00:46:31.079
They're both fun.

1101
00:46:31.139 --> 00:46:32.099
Yeah, yeah.

1102
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.860
I'll even rewatch what was that dreadful DS9?

1103
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:36.599
Dramatis persona, you know?

1104
00:46:36.659 --> 00:46:39.599
At least this guy was beating the shit out of some people.

1105
00:46:39.659 --> 00:46:42.719
Well, it just shows you that I was right to properly appreciate a

1106
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:46.019
night in Sick Bay because it's much more fun than this.

1107
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:47.280
It has the dog.

1108
00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:49.079
Do you know what these extreme close-ups they're doing now?

1109
00:46:49.139 --> 00:46:49.739
No.

1110
00:46:49.739 --> 00:46:50.219
Spencer.

1111
00:46:50.219 --> 00:46:51.059
Are they going to kiss?

1112
00:46:51.059 --> 00:46:52.980
but they can't because they're wearing helmets.

1113
00:46:53.579 --> 00:46:57.179
I don't think I don't want to be rude or anything like that.

1114
00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:59.039
Mackleberry's not a pretty bloke, is he?

1115
00:46:59.099 --> 00:47:00.300
No, I mean, he's all right.

1116
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:01.380
He just looks like a person.

1117
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:02.820
It's fine. you know.

1118
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:07.980
What's he saying now, won't tell a soul?

1119
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:09.300
No, he needs you.

1120
00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:10.559
What's your secret map?

1121
00:47:10.619 --> 00:47:10.980
Come on.

1122
00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:15.239
But then it doesn't does it happen or is he weighing now?

1123
00:47:15.300 --> 00:47:17.159
Like, when does he start weing?

1124
00:47:17.219 --> 00:47:18.119
No, wait.

1125
00:47:18.179 --> 00:47:21.900
If you can get fluid into the suit, surely you can get fluid out

1126
00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:22.079
of it.

1127
00:47:22.139 --> 00:47:24.239
You think you just, but like...

1128
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:28.079
We could at least watch the pee flying through space.

1129
00:47:28.139 --> 00:47:29.880
It would be something.

1130
00:47:29.940 --> 00:47:33.000
But I think you can we in a space suit.

1131
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:35.519
Like, I don't think you have to hold it in if you're on the

1132
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:36.960
fucking moon.

1133
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.780
Like, dude, like, like, you're on the moon.

1134
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:42.119
Did you see how to Paul was sitting on that chair then?

1135
00:47:42.179 --> 00:47:44.579
Sort of poised like an Amazon warrior.

1136
00:47:46.619 --> 00:47:48.719
Oh dear.

1137
00:47:48.780 --> 00:47:50.940
Oh, so now we're talking.

1138
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.840
So now we're talking to the Romulans because we've learned their

1139
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:55.320
language.

1140
00:47:55.380 --> 00:48:02.519
We didn't know in 2151 what we now know in 2024 about concussion

1141
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:07.559
and Hoshi should not have been doing the translation, but she

1142
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:07.920
has.

1143
00:48:07.980 --> 00:48:12.900
No one knows who plays this Romulan.

1144
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.860
And it just sounds to me like John Reese Davies.

1145
00:48:17.219 --> 00:48:19.920
Yeah, can you just do a voice for us, please?

1146
00:48:19.980 --> 00:48:20.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1147
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:22.619
We haven't got to paying the other actors.

1148
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.739
Well, you notice how how dirty Tripp's faces?

1149
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:28.380
Now, you got dirty right at the beginning of the episode, but

1150
00:48:28.380 --> 00:48:29.760
they've just been sitting around on the bridge.

1151
00:48:29.820 --> 00:48:31.139
Surely you could have washed it.

1152
00:48:31.260 --> 00:48:31.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1153
00:48:31.860 --> 00:48:32.940
Don't they have wipes or something?

1154
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:35.039
Like a little dispenser on the wall.

1155
00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:37.860
Next to the little hole that they...

1156
00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:41.039
They're pretty still fucking twisting these things around on the

1157
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:41.400
bomb.

1158
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:45.300
Get on with it already.

1159
00:48:45.420 --> 00:48:48.179
I think the stars in the background are good.

1160
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:50.039
The occasional shot of the Nacelles is good.

1161
00:48:50.099 --> 00:48:51.659
Do you know what I mean, in the background of the thing?

1162
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:55.920
If I've learnt nothing else, you know, I do know how to dispose of

1163
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.079
bomb in the 23rd century.

1164
00:48:58.079 --> 00:48:58.800
No, you don't.

1165
00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:01.260
Because, like, it's rearmed itself, we have to quickly undo it

1166
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:01.619
now.

1167
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:02.519
There's a reversal.

1168
00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:05.820
Oh, you're because you're there going, thank fucking Christ

1169
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:10.019
they've done the 5th of the detonators are now our long nightmare

1170
00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:10.619
is over.

1171
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:13.679
And no, no, it's it's rearming itself.

1172
00:49:13.739 --> 00:49:15.179
We have to undo the last one.

1173
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:16.980
It's just like, oh, you're kidding me.

1174
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:20.159
I can't know it's the actual bomb like going around though.

1175
00:49:20.219 --> 00:49:22.500
So it looks like he's just pulling out the same rod each time.

1176
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.139
Oh, no, no, he goes around to the different side.

1177
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:26.280
He goes around.

1178
00:49:26.340 --> 00:49:26.699
Are you sure?

1179
00:49:26.820 --> 00:49:28.800
Well, you paying attention?

1180
00:49:28.860 --> 00:49:29.460
No.

1181
00:49:30.659 --> 00:49:33.480
Oh, Reed just had a line there.

1182
00:49:33.539 --> 00:49:35.099
He went, it's too deep inside.

1183
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:36.300
Yes.

1184
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.460
No, he's talking about the...

1185
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:39.059
Yeah.

1186
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:39.900
No.

1187
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:40.920
He's all out the bomb, is he?

1188
00:49:40.980 --> 00:49:42.000
He is talking about the bomb.

1189
00:49:42.059 --> 00:49:45.960
New thing that they have to diffuse is like right in the middle

1190
00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:52.380
any possible du entendre at this point is the...

1191
00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:53.880
Oh, God, that was a cliffhanger.

1192
00:49:53.940 --> 00:49:54.360
What happened?

1193
00:49:54.420 --> 00:49:55.440
I don't know.

1194
00:49:55.500 --> 00:50:00.659
It's just like Reed says, you know, you have to let me go or does

1195
00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:01.079
he do that?

1196
00:50:01.139 --> 00:50:02.280
You've done all you can.

1197
00:50:02.340 --> 00:50:06.239
It's time to kind of let me go And then Archer says no.

1198
00:50:06.300 --> 00:50:08.760
And it's kind of like, okay.

1199
00:50:08.820 --> 00:50:10.679
Okay.

1200
00:50:10.739 --> 00:50:13.260
Um, but why?

1201
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:15.119
Do you know what I mean?

1202
00:50:15.179 --> 00:50:17.099
I'd prefer a burial at sea.

1203
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:18.960
I thought you were afraid of Warsaw.

1204
00:50:19.019 --> 00:50:20.639
My God, I'm really learning a lot.

1205
00:50:20.699 --> 00:50:21.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1206
00:50:21.780 --> 00:50:25.139
He's got to keep repeating the same point over and over again. 2nd

1207
00:50:25.139 --> 00:50:25.980
characteristic.

1208
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:27.059
He scared of drowning.

1209
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:32.400
Oh, I don't think we'd actually hear about that ever again.

1210
00:50:32.460 --> 00:50:34.320
I don't think he ever goes near water.

1211
00:50:34.380 --> 00:50:37.019
Does it come up in space all that often, perhaps?

1212
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:38.760
is the thing. true.

1213
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:39.300
That is true.

1214
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:40.079
Yeah.

1215
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:42.719
And we've already been to the Carbon Creek in the last episode, so

1216
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.179
that's how... he wasn't there, was he?

1217
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:45.719
He wasn't there.

1218
00:50:45.780 --> 00:50:46.380
No.

1219
00:50:46.380 --> 00:50:47.039
Tapal.

1220
00:50:47.099 --> 00:50:47.760
Yeah, yeah.

1221
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:51.780
I mean, God, at least at this point he could have gone, oh, no

1222
00:50:51.780 --> 00:50:52.139
that's it.

1223
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:52.980
He's unplugging.

1224
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:54.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1225
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:56.820
But I actually quite like that.

1226
00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:00.840
Like, I kind of think that that's a dramatic thing that happened.

1227
00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:01.619
Do you know what I mean?

1228
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:03.539
Like it's...

1229
00:51:03.539 --> 00:51:06.840
Some more dramatic archer dropping the pads and it went flying off

1230
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:07.500
into space.

1231
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:08.460
No, Malcolm.

1232
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:13.800
Malcolm doing his, I'm unconscious and floaty acting.

1233
00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:19.260
And then, like, again, we just very quickly plug it back in and

1234
00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:19.920
he's fine.

1235
00:51:19.980 --> 00:51:24.179
And doesn't Archer plug his own thing in to him as well?

1236
00:51:24.300 --> 00:51:25.199
Yeah.

1237
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:29.699
But the only cliche we hadn't done at this point was self

1238
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:29.699
sacrifice.

1239
00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:31.380
Of course, we had to tick the box.

1240
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:33.659
But it was leading up to that, wasn't it?

1241
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:36.780
Because we had the uncle story of self-sacrifice and we had this

1242
00:51:36.780 --> 00:51:39.360
conflict over whether to leave him behind or not.

1243
00:51:39.420 --> 00:51:41.280
And he doesn't want.

1244
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:44.460
He thinks that Archer shouldn't do that because he disapproves of

1245
00:51:44.460 --> 00:51:45.900
Archer's command thing.

1246
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:47.760
And so he preempts it.

1247
00:51:47.820 --> 00:51:50.699
But it doesn't like, fuck, like, whatever.

1248
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:51.960
Who cares at this point?

1249
00:51:52.019 --> 00:51:55.980
Oh, I just can't bear any of this, him going, leave me, him saying

1250
00:51:55.980 --> 00:51:57.119
no, I'm not going to leave you.

1251
00:51:57.179 --> 00:51:59.099
I'm not going to do that, Jesus.

1252
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:02.519
But, I mean, the other thing too is that none of this is here.

1253
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:03.659
Do you know what I mean?

1254
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:09.780
It's like he's a, like, if we'd had something, like, leading up to

1255
00:52:09.780 --> 00:52:15.960
this, maybe we do, maybe Malcolm expresses reservations about how

1256
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:20.880
Archer, you know, captains the ship, but I doubt it, because all

1257
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.820
he's doing is kind of polarising the hull plating and shit.

1258
00:52:24.300 --> 00:52:29.699
Hey, so in later episodes, there are points where he sort of

1259
00:52:29.699 --> 00:52:33.179
stubbornly says, oh, you're doing a bad job, Captain Archer. you

1260
00:52:33.179 --> 00:52:35.460
know, he's right. but he's so annoying that you don't want to

1261
00:52:35.460 --> 00:52:36.179
listen to him anyway.

1262
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:36.719
Yeah, yeah.

1263
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:40.440
Then in season three, they have the Macos come on board.

1264
00:52:40.500 --> 00:52:43.800
Oh, okay, so he gets conflict with Stephen Carter or whatever.

1265
00:52:43.860 --> 00:52:48.780
Super jealous of the head macco and so yeah, so that's his rug.

1266
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:50.519
It's always sort of this macho bullshit.

1267
00:52:50.579 --> 00:52:54.179
Then in the last season, of course, he is an agent of Section 31

1268
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:55.739
That was his dirty past.

1269
00:52:55.800 --> 00:53:00.179
The bad section 31, the one which mates on the top of an

1270
00:53:00.179 --> 00:53:05.820
unconvincing, uh, city block with a guy in the flashing Mac.

1271
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:08.159
They never get a handle on him, ever.

1272
00:53:08.219 --> 00:53:09.840
I don't think Yeah, yeah.

1273
00:53:09.900 --> 00:53:10.320
Yeah.

1274
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:15.300
And but in 4 years, I don't think the actor does either.

1275
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:18.239
No, I don't think he's ever comfortable in that skin.

1276
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.539
But think about Star Trek the Next Generation, right?

1277
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:25.619
Where scenes are not generally about who the characters are, and

1278
00:53:25.619 --> 00:53:31.619
the characters have like a 3 line bio in the ship's Bible, but

1279
00:53:31.619 --> 00:53:35.699
everyone's performance is distinctive and interesting enough that

1280
00:53:35.699 --> 00:53:39.840
they feel, you know, they're people that you can have affection

1281
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:40.260
for.

1282
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:44.219
So you don't need a big complex backstory.

1283
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:48.840
You kind of need the actor's performance to bring it together, but

1284
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:51.960
he's not being given anything and he's not trying to get anything

1285
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:55.559
out of the lines or do anything that the writers can grab onto

1286
00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:57.480
because that's the other thing. isn't it?

1287
00:53:57.539 --> 00:54:00.480
Like writers see that people are good at particular things and

1288
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.340
then they try and play to their strengths.

1289
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:03.480
I don't know.

1290
00:54:03.539 --> 00:54:08.099
It's like, it's like when they realise that, um, uh, sitting alpha

1291
00:54:08.099 --> 00:54:09.420
deal one, Colomini.

1292
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:11.820
And they were like, man, man, we just got to keep playing this.

1293
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:12.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1294
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.420
And they did all sit in the Alpha deal when Andrew Robinson, you

1295
00:54:15.420 --> 00:54:16.860
know, like, let's just keep...

1296
00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:18.840
I hope they didn't look at this.

1297
00:54:18.900 --> 00:54:23.699
I mean, we never have another Malcolm Reed archer.

1298
00:54:23.820 --> 00:54:26.519
I think it's because they watch this, you know?

1299
00:54:26.579 --> 00:54:27.420
Yeah, yeah.

1300
00:54:27.900 --> 00:54:31.739
But as well, it's like you said about TNG though. the chemistry

1301
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:32.940
the chemistry between the crew.

1302
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:35.159
It's very rarely the character writing.

1303
00:54:35.219 --> 00:54:36.539
No, no, it's always out.

1304
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:40.019
They bring to it and the affection that they have for each other.

1305
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:41.579
It is infectious to watch.

1306
00:54:42.300 --> 00:54:47.699
There is limited chemistry amongst this cast and there is no

1307
00:54:47.699 --> 00:54:51.179
chemistry at all between Malcolm Reid and Archer.

1308
00:54:51.539 --> 00:54:52.559
Yeah, yeah, none.

1309
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:57.480
Because imagine if this was like Quork and Odo.

1310
00:54:57.539 --> 00:54:58.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1311
00:54:58.559 --> 00:54:59.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1312
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:03.659
Even like Geordie and Data or the captain and, you know, like

1313
00:55:03.659 --> 00:55:06.179
anyone, like on Star Trek, the Next Generation.

1314
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:09.300
And, like, admittedly, it takes them a while to settle and have

1315
00:55:09.300 --> 00:55:13.320
chemistry and work out how Star Trek works in, you know, the late

1316
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:14.400
1980s.

1317
00:55:14.460 --> 00:55:17.039
Like they have their share of ropey episodes.

1318
00:55:17.099 --> 00:55:18.960
But this is so nothing.

1319
00:55:19.019 --> 00:55:20.639
There's just so nothing to this.

1320
00:55:20.699 --> 00:55:23.519
I do quite like them flying off on the panels here.

1321
00:55:23.579 --> 00:55:25.800
Yeah, then the bomb goes off.

1322
00:55:25.860 --> 00:55:26.820
Yeah, yeah.

1323
00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:28.019
It's all...

1324
00:55:28.019 --> 00:55:28.559
Or something.

1325
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:30.000
At least this ended.

1326
00:55:30.059 --> 00:55:31.139
Yeah that's right.

1327
00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:34.679
It could be crap though, doesn't it?

1328
00:55:34.980 --> 00:55:37.380
Oh, I'll take anything.

1329
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:38.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1330
00:55:38.820 --> 00:55:40.199
It's a bit of action, I guess.

1331
00:55:40.260 --> 00:55:45.059
So this is a weird thing from Montgomery, right?

1332
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:50.639
So he's looking at the instrument. everyone thinks they're gone.

1333
00:55:50.699 --> 00:55:55.440
Someone goes Travis and then he says, I see them bearing 213 mark

1334
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:58.920
four, but at no point does he react to seeing them?

1335
00:55:58.980 --> 00:55:59.940
Do you know what I mean?

1336
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:01.260
He's just staring at the thing.

1337
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:06.119
It never occurs to him to kind of go to just indicate to us that

1338
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.159
he's seen something surprising or new.

1339
00:56:08.219 --> 00:56:10.079
It's just when he's asked.

1340
00:56:10.139 --> 00:56:12.480
He goes, oh, yes, I see.

1341
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:15.599
You know, like I don't know what's going on there.

1342
00:56:15.659 --> 00:56:17.219
I don't know what's going on there.

1343
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:18.119
Maybe he's checking out.

1344
00:56:18.179 --> 00:56:19.440
Well, she wasn't exactly.

1345
00:56:19.500 --> 00:56:22.199
I mean, I know she can't show too much emotion, but she wasn't

1346
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:23.579
exactly, you know, up in the stakes.

1347
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:27.000
No, no, but there should just be some indication that he's seen

1348
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:27.539
something.

1349
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:31.199
Don't you think you would react to seeing him on the screen?

1350
00:56:31.260 --> 00:56:33.539
So this is the final scene.

1351
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:37.380
Now are we supposed to think they're busy mates now because of

1352
00:56:37.380 --> 00:56:39.239
this extreme situation they've been in.

1353
00:56:39.300 --> 00:56:44.639
So the, the line is, he goes, if I may say so, your style of

1354
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:49.739
command does have its advantages in that I'm now still alive as a

1355
00:56:49.739 --> 00:56:50.340
result of it.

1356
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:55.440
Um, but, and that's the, the other joke is, which I think is

1357
00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:00.780
really great, is where he, he asks him about sports again when

1358
00:57:00.780 --> 00:57:05.159
they're on the surface of the, of the ship, and Malcolm says, I

1359
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:08.579
haven't started following any sports since breakfast, if that's

1360
00:57:08.579 --> 00:57:11.280
anyone, which doesn't seem pretty good.

1361
00:57:11.340 --> 00:57:14.219
But there's really nothing here.

1362
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:15.059
Like, that's it.

1363
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:16.139
The doctor's here.

1364
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:18.960
I just realised a way they could have salvaged the whole episode.

1365
00:57:19.139 --> 00:57:25.380
And why Reedus, you know, got such a bug up his butt, you know. at

1366
00:57:25.380 --> 00:57:25.860
the last minute.

1367
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:27.420
No, no, no.

1368
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:31.739
If reader said to Archer, there at the end, I really fancy you.

1369
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:36.179
And then they all walk in and then you're like, 0 my god, he's

1370
00:57:36.179 --> 00:57:38.280
been awkward this whole time because he's in love with Captain

1371
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:38.940
Archer.

1372
00:57:39.420 --> 00:57:41.219
It would have been something.

1373
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:42.360
It would have been something.

1374
00:57:42.420 --> 00:57:46.380
But yeah, there's a really sort of massive lack of ambition and

1375
00:57:46.380 --> 00:57:48.360
lack of imagination here, I think.

1376
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:51.659
It's like the most rightly conceit.

1377
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:55.860
I'm going to address this neglected relationship, and I'm going to

1378
00:57:55.860 --> 00:57:59.639
do it by strapping them both to a bomb and having them alternately

1379
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:04.860
discuss, diffusing the bomb and an utterly boring, unrelatable

1380
00:58:04.860 --> 00:58:10.079
backstory, and then, you know, a thing will happen and we'll get

1381
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:10.739
out of it.

1382
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:11.880
Like, it's so boring.

1383
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:16.679
Do you know, I'm going to say something that I hate the word lazy

1384
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:21.360
because I don't think writing a script is a lazy art, you have to

1385
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.900
construct a strip dramatically and give everybody dialogue and

1386
00:58:24.900 --> 00:58:26.219
character bits and blah, blah, blah.

1387
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:30.239
But I want to say something I would not really say about it.

1388
00:58:30.300 --> 00:58:33.719
I think even I could write a better version of that episode than

1389
00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:35.159
what we just saw, you know?

1390
00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:40.920
I could add a few jokes. and a bit of personality and do a couple

1391
00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:44.099
more reversals and I don't know, just something.

1392
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:44.880
Yeah.

1393
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:45.900
Just something.

1394
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:49.559
I couldn't possibly imagine ever going back and watching that

1395
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:50.219
again, ever.

1396
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:55.260
It's so patterned and so slow, there's so little going on.

1397
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:57.659
And you know, it's 42 minutes long.

1398
00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:02.219
It's not a long episode of TV and everything is played at this

1399
00:59:02.219 --> 00:59:06.840
sort of weirdly slow pace because we're in space and everyone is

1400
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:09.719
interacting with one another in the most boring way possible.

1401
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:11.340
I don't know.

1402
00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:13.019
It's pretty...

1403
00:59:13.019 --> 00:59:15.480
It is the most passive suspense.

1404
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:18.960
You're ever gonna see in a Star Trek episode.

1405
00:59:19.019 --> 00:59:23.039
Oh, let's go and watch something else and forget about it. anything

1406
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:23.639
else.

1407
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:34.079
All right, it's the end of the episode and we're going to find out

1408
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:36.059
where we're going next.

1409
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.940
This was my choice, typically.

1410
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:43.139
And so it's your turn, Joe, to come up with something better than

1411
00:59:43.139 --> 00:59:43.380
this.

1412
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:45.360
I don't think it'll take too many rolls.

1413
00:59:45.420 --> 00:59:47.639
Twice before we go into the Enterprise.

1414
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:48.900
Well next time, won't you?

1415
00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:49.440
No.

1416
00:59:49.500 --> 00:59:51.059
No, I won't.

1417
00:59:51.059 --> 00:59:52.380
It's a weird kink you've got.

1418
00:59:53.099 --> 00:59:54.780
That's the thing.

1419
00:59:54.780 --> 00:59:59.820
That and that bizarre corpse, Android, sex from birth contact.

1420
01:00:00.300 --> 01:00:06.539
Sexy, sexy corpse, Android from 1st Conference. where... and

1421
01:00:06.539 --> 01:00:09.179
entitled Star Trek Project is your weird kinks.

1422
01:00:11.340 --> 01:00:14.099
The weirdest one of all talking to me.

1423
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:16.500
About Star Trek.

1424
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:19.139
So what have you picked?

1425
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:20.039
What episodes?

1426
01:00:20.099 --> 01:00:21.000
seasons are we doing?

1427
01:00:21.059 --> 01:00:21.780
Okay.

1428
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:24.840
Do you know, because you were predictable last time going to

1429
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:25.440
Enterprise?

1430
01:00:25.500 --> 01:00:28.440
I'm going to do my unusual and put them all in.

1431
01:00:28.500 --> 01:00:29.400
Put them all in.

1432
01:00:29.460 --> 01:00:32.400
Okay, brilliant. that's right Let's see what happens. ready for

1433
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:32.579
this?

1434
01:00:32.699 --> 01:00:34.320
Okay.

1435
01:00:34.500 --> 01:00:37.800
Oh, the original series.

1436
01:00:37.860 --> 01:00:42.780
Series 2, episode 19, a Private Little War.

1437
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:45.539
Ooh. that could be interesting.

1438
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:47.460
What's that all about?

1439
01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:50.340
I don't know, but it's said on one of those planets where it's

1440
01:00:50.340 --> 01:00:53.699
like a piece of the action, I think, isn't it?

1441
01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:54.840
Did I dream that?

1442
01:00:54.900 --> 01:00:56.699
It's like a earth-tight planet.

1443
01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:59.579
Is it Chicago?

1444
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:00.480
I't know what it is.

1445
01:01:00.539 --> 01:01:01.139
I don't know.

1446
01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:05.699
Well, you know, I do like pressing it a few times. do it a few

1447
01:01:05.699 --> 01:01:06.480
more times, okay?

1448
01:01:06.539 --> 01:01:11.159
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season four, episode four

1449
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:12.000
Nemesis.

1450
01:01:12.059 --> 01:01:14.940
Now, it's a Chakotay episode, bad start.

1451
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:18.900
It's the one where he's there on that planet where all these kids

1452
01:01:18.900 --> 01:01:21.539
are having a war and they've got this sort of bizarre language

1453
01:01:21.539 --> 01:01:24.059
that they all talk that he's trying to interpret.

1454
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:25.860
Yeah, that sounds terrible.

1455
01:01:25.860 --> 01:01:29.400
It sounds a bit tedious, doesn't it?

1456
01:01:29.460 --> 01:01:30.659
Oh, oh, no.

1457
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.800
Whoa, pure coincidence.

1458
01:01:34.860 --> 01:01:39.179
DS9, season five, episode five, the assignment.

1459
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:41.099
It's the evil Keiko episode.

1460
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:47.280
We can't blow our load with Rosalind Chow though, this early, can

1461
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:47.579
we?

1462
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:49.260
There'll be nothing worse.

1463
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:51.420
It's tempting though.

1464
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:54.179
Oh, no, wait, please, let's do this.

1465
01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:57.300
I think we're quite low in the Star Trek Voyager stakes.

1466
01:01:57.360 --> 01:01:57.900
Okay, okay.

1467
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:02.039
This is a particularly terrible, but I quite like it.

1468
01:02:02.099 --> 01:02:04.320
Oh, okay, that sounds perfect.

1469
01:02:04.380 --> 01:02:07.800
Season six, episode 25.

1470
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:10.320
The haunting of deck 12.

1471
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:14.639
I remember that.

1472
01:02:14.820 --> 01:02:16.980
It's so cheesy.

1473
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:20.760
It's more fun than this, though, but we just watched. naturally.

1474
01:02:20.820 --> 01:02:22.860
And so it's a Neelix heavy episode.

1475
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:24.059
He's narrating.

1476
01:02:24.179 --> 01:02:25.800
He's there with the kids.

1477
01:02:25.860 --> 01:02:28.380
He's got a wood in the Coco Bay around the campfire.

1478
01:02:28.380 --> 01:02:30.960
And the baby kept talking about...

1479
01:02:31.019 --> 01:02:31.380
No.

1480
01:02:31.380 --> 01:02:36.480
Yeah, I believe that the great haunting is, as usual, one anomaly

1481
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:37.079
that they've gone through.

1482
01:02:37.139 --> 01:02:37.800
Yeah, yeah.

1483
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.440
Some gastroous cloud that's going through the ship, you know.

1484
01:02:40.500 --> 01:02:46.679
But it's got some proper camp, like horror imagery of doors

1485
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:50.940
opening and closing and smoke all in the ship and, you know, much

1486
01:02:50.940 --> 01:02:52.500
more our cup of tea than this.

1487
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:53.039
Okay, all right.

1488
01:02:53.099 --> 01:02:53.639
That sounds great.

1489
01:02:53.699 --> 01:02:55.019
I'm definitely up for that.

1490
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:58.320
And of course, the haunting of deck 12.

1491
01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:00.119
Also a good sign.

1492
01:03:00.539 --> 01:03:03.000
Let's do it. absolutely.

1493
01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:56.760
Oh, it's garbage.

1494
01:03:56.820 --> 01:03:57.719
It's great.

1495
01:03:58.260 --> 01:04:03.719
So I was watching an episode of Lower Decks the other day. and

1496
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:09.239
Boimler thought that he was going to be in the Starfleets magazine

1497
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:14.519
the top 30 under 30 and he doesn't get in it.

1498
01:04:14.579 --> 01:04:16.920
He was assured that he was going to get it, but he's not in it.

1499
01:04:16.980 --> 01:04:20.159
I think Mariner or something says, well, surely you were 31 and he

1500
01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:23.280
goes, but there were 50 honourable mentions.

1501
01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:26.400
And one of them was Naomi Wildman and she's 10.

1502
01:04:32.460 --> 01:04:34.199
Legend.

1503
01:04:34.380 --> 01:04:36.480
Is Naomi in that one?

1504
01:04:36.539 --> 01:04:37.500
I think she is, you know.

1505
01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:38.880
Jama hated it.

1506
01:04:38.940 --> 01:04:41.099
I remember he gave it like half a star.

1507
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:43.380
Oh, you're automatically going to love it.

1508
01:04:43.380 --> 01:04:45.119
What did he give minefield?

1509
01:04:45.179 --> 01:04:46.320
Can we just find out?

1510
01:04:46.380 --> 01:04:48.239
Oh, probably 3 stars.

1511
01:04:48.300 --> 01:04:50.460
Yeah, let's have a look. one bem, probably.

1512
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:53.039
One bim.

1513
01:04:56.099 --> 01:04:58.380
Okay, I've got him up.

1514
01:04:59.219 --> 01:05:02.699
Oh, what did you think about section 31?

1515
01:05:02.820 --> 01:05:03.900
Mission forgettable?

1516
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:05.760
Oh, you hate it.

1517
01:05:05.820 --> 01:05:06.480
I hate it.

1518
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:07.380
I hate it.

1519
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:09.780
I would have watched the shit out of that show if it had gone to

1520
01:05:09.780 --> 01:05:10.019
show.

1521
01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:11.219
I would have loved that.

1522
01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:12.059
Oh, Michelle Ye.

1523
01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:12.659
I would have too.

1524
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:13.380
Yeah.

1525
01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:14.579
Just for her.

1526
01:05:14.699 --> 01:05:15.539
Yeah.

1527
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:20.219
So, wait, we're looking for enterprise season two.

1528
01:05:21.420 --> 01:05:24.360
Three, three, stars.

1529
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:26.940
It's so boring.

1530
01:05:27.059 --> 01:05:30.840
Section episode featuring good characterisation.

1531
01:05:30.900 --> 01:05:31.619
Really?

1532
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:32.340
What?

1533
01:05:32.340 --> 01:05:37.440
Yeah, I like this episode the 1st time I saw it when it was called

1534
01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:38.639
Shuttlepod one.

1535
01:05:39.900 --> 01:05:41.579
Oh God.

1536
01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:44.820
The point is watching Reed and Archer interact as they try to

1537
01:05:44.820 --> 01:05:46.380
dismantle Lo McGuffin.

1538
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:48.719
It's not complicated but it is effective.

1539
01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:51.900
And he gives an island to Bay one.

1540
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:52.440
It's crazy.

1541
01:05:52.500 --> 01:05:54.300
Crazy, crazy, crazy.

1542
01:05:54.420 --> 01:05:57.960
One of his commentators, does anyone else have a strong desire to

1543
01:05:57.960 --> 01:05:59.280
punch Archer in the face?

1544
01:05:59.340 --> 01:06:00.239
Yes.

1545
01:06:01.139 --> 01:06:02.519
Yes.

1546
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:03.239
Frequently.

1547
01:06:03.300 --> 01:06:04.920
Yes, mysterious commenter.

1548
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:08.579
Oh, look, someone else.

1549
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:10.800
Boy, oh boy, this dragged a bit.

1550
01:06:10.860 --> 01:06:14.519
Oh, maybe we should read out Jamba's comments commentators every

1551
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:14.880
now and again.

1552
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:17.760
Oh dear.

1553
01:06:17.820 --> 01:06:19.199
Oh, look what someone put here.

1554
01:06:19.260 --> 01:06:22.679
Sorry, I'm enjoying Enterprise more than any prior Star Trek.

1555
01:06:22.739 --> 01:06:24.179
Oh, bless.

1556
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:25.679
I'm glad someone does that.

1557
01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:30.239
The story really dragged in the middle.

1558
01:06:30.300 --> 01:06:36.179
You're absolutely right I mean, we've watched things, you know

1559
01:06:36.179 --> 01:06:37.619
like we watched, what was it?

1560
01:06:37.739 --> 01:06:39.000
I always want to call it.

1561
01:06:39.059 --> 01:06:40.739
Oh, it's called Chosen Realm.

1562
01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:42.719
Remember Chosen Realm in series three?

1563
01:06:42.780 --> 01:06:46.920
It's the one that I compared to the way to Eden.

1564
01:06:46.980 --> 01:06:50.099
The one with the religious people.

1565
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:51.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1566
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:52.800
It was better than this one.

1567
01:06:52.860 --> 01:06:54.119
Yeah, I thought it was easily better than this.

1568
01:06:54.179 --> 01:06:58.800
I like, you know, like I'm, I like being aboard the Enterprise, and

1569
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:01.199
even those characters are sort of really thin.

1570
01:07:01.260 --> 01:07:04.619
Like I just, you know, like I like the crew. like I'd like it.

1571
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:06.059
In theory, I like it.

1572
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:08.699
It's not my favourite, but it's still Star Trek.

1573
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:11.159
I like watching Star Trek and that's why I choose itself and

1574
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:16.320
because, you know, no one likes it very much and it might be nice

1575
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:17.159
to see why it's good.

1576
01:07:17.219 --> 01:07:20.820
I keep waiting for my blinkers to go, though, and for it to be

1577
01:07:20.820 --> 01:07:21.300
really great.

1578
01:07:21.420 --> 01:07:25.500
I think the only really great one we've watched was the

1579
01:07:25.500 --> 01:07:27.840
alternative universe one.

1580
01:07:27.900 --> 01:07:29.460
It's just because they're having fun.

1581
01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:30.599
They're finally having fun.

1582
01:07:30.659 --> 01:07:32.219
Yeah, yeah.

1583
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:34.800
And it was leaning into original track.

1584
01:07:34.860 --> 01:07:39.059
Jamma says mostly pointless, even when considering this series's

1585
01:07:39.059 --> 01:07:42.360
attitude to the big picture, one. 5 stars for Project 12.

1586
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:43.800
Oh, really?

1587
01:07:44.820 --> 01:07:45.599
We're going to love it.

1588
01:07:45.780 --> 01:07:48.900
He didn't like it as much as he liked Bam.

1589
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:52.139
I just love these schlocky ones, though, because we can just have

1590
01:07:52.139 --> 01:07:53.880
the best time watching them, you know?

1591
01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:57.300
Well, you know, like everyone hates Ethan Phillips, and I'm not

1592
01:07:57.300 --> 01:08:00.000
quite sure why, because I think he's really good and doing what

1593
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:01.320
he's called on to do.

1594
01:08:01.380 --> 01:08:02.039
Yeah.

1595
01:08:02.099 --> 01:08:05.039
He's fat because he's scaring the kids all the way through.

1596
01:08:09.059 --> 01:08:12.599
I just remember there's one bit that feels like it's come from a

1597
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:16.680
truly terrible B movie where Neelix is in the mess hole.

1598
01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:19.140
So he's narrating himself within the story.

1599
01:08:19.260 --> 01:08:20.100
Right.

1600
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:22.920
And he's like, hello, who's there?

1601
01:08:22.979 --> 01:08:25.439
And you can hear this sort of...

1602
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:30.479
And he goes out in the corridor. and the door's going, uh, uh, uh

1603
01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:34.319
uh, and suddenly all this smoke comes from nowhere and he swings

1604
01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:38.760
his, he swings his torch around and drew box there in a cat's mask

1605
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:41.819
and there's a massive close-up on his face in the music. like, da

1606
01:08:41.819 --> 01:08:42.420
da da.

1607
01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:44.039
Oh my god.

1608
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:45.539
That sounds awesome.

1609
01:08:45.659 --> 01:08:48.539
And I was like, look, the director knew this was shit, but it's

1610
01:08:48.539 --> 01:08:49.079
just something fun.

1611
01:08:49.140 --> 01:08:50.039
That's it.

1612
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:52.920
If only that happened more often.

1613
01:08:52.979 --> 01:08:55.140
Yes, indeed, indeed.