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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're right at the end of series 6 of Deep Space 9 this week

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uh, and it's series 6, episode 24 times orphan.

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And so we're 2 episodes away from Tears of the Prophets.

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And I don't think that this is an episode that's very highly

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regarded, and I think our memory of it was sort of consistent with

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that when we spoke about it last time.

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And then we both watched it this week and sent a flurry of

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bizarrely positive messages to each other going, oh, I love this

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bit.

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I quite like that bit.

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Although, I mean, my start for 10 on this episode is, I have no

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idea why it exists.

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Like, it is that a baffling concept to take away Molly.

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I mean, it exists to torture O'Brien, right?

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It's the yearly torture O'Brien episode.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because it doesn't end up being about anything.

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Like, you can imagine a version of this.

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So the main conceit is that we go on a picnic, and there's a time

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portal, Molly falls into a time portal because it's fucking Star

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Trek, and you can't just go on a picnic without someone falling

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into a time portal, right?

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And so she falls in a time portal.

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When she's retrieved, she's spent 10 years away.

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And so she's, you know, barely verbal and stuff and she's kind of

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feral as if she's been sort of raised by wolves or whatever.

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And then she comes back and has to kind of integrate.

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But it doesn't end up being about anything.

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Like it doesn't end up being about, you know, parents being

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confused and a little bit put off by the fact that their children

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grow up, you know, and start being independent and start thinking

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differently from them.

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It's not really about that.

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It is purely high concept science fiction thing, and it's purely

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like it seems like it should be in series one or two, doesn't it?

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Yeah, definitely.

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Oddly, I think this could take place on any of the other Star Trek

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shows in the 90s.

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Yeah, it could be.

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It could because it is a high concept science fiction episode that

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means it's utterly standalone.

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So it could be a Voyager.

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It could be a TNG.

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On another level, it can't at all because I just don't think there

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is the family structure that's there in DS9 that this absolutely

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hinges on.

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And what I did love about this episode, and it really snuck up on

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me was them making the choice to let older Molly go because

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keeping them there was selfish.

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And all of the moments of family that were happening around that

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plot as well with Kira and Odo and Wharf and Dax.

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And I said to you in a message, I really feel like this is the

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writer's via this bizarre concept. having a moment of sincerity

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and contact between the characters amongst all of the 50s romances

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religious war, cynical takes on the federation, and spaceships

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exploding that's going on at the tail end of series 6.

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It's just a moment to pause and reflect on the relationships that

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are on the station and what these people mean to each other.

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And I really came out of this episode less impressed with the

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story because I don't give a fuck about Savage Molly.

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Although I am pleased for once that the child actor was back at

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the end of the episode, and that's a miracle for me to say.

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Oh, we love Hannah Hattay, don't we?

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We do.

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We really love her.

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She's awesome Loopy.

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Anyway.

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But more, I just think, like, to really, to really focus on how

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the characters on DSI are one big family before that family is

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about to be pulled apart in quite a wretched way at the end of the

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season.

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That's worth doing.

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Yeah.

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And so originally there was only going to be an A plot, and the B

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plot, which comes in, which is about Worf and Jadzia looking after

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Kyrioshi. which is really fun and silly, and it gives Michael the

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chance to be funny, and it gives us a sort of picture of Dax and

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Worf thinking about their future together.

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You know, like Worf has to prove that he's going to be a fit

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parent and he's worried that Dax thinks that he's not.

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And so he's trying to prove himself to her with a view to their

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beautiful babies, which we will hear about in two, so it's time.

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I believe that baby would have been so beautiful. would have been

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so beautiful.

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And so that gives us our last chance with that relationship before

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Chantia leaves the show before she's killed in 2 episodes time.

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So it was absolutely good. thing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Their relationship is so good and I think it's the best wharf ever

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is.

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When he's with Dax in series six.

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Change of heart, this, the episode where she's just playing

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fucking Tongo against Quark and he's there on the railings, you

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know, cheering her on.

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He's so chill and he's so funny and it brings forth all of Michael

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Dawn's charm. in a way that we so rarely see it.

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It's so frustrating.

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They really, really captured something in a bottle with Worf when

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they put him in a relationship with Dax.

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It was brilliant.

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And so that was super important.

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I think maybe that's more important than the A-plot.

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I think the A-plot is good, but I think it's a little bit too

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much.

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And I've heard my friends talk about certain things on TV become

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difficult to watch once you're a parent.

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And I think that the loss of a child like this in this sort of

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absurd science fiction way is just a little bit too much.

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And certainly when you've got an actor like Rosalind Chow, who

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doesn't just go for the obvious melodrama, but every so often is

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really heartfelt in a way that's sort of quite upsetting.

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A bit where she, they sit on the rock outside the cave and she

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just goes, where's my baby?

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Like, it's really...

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She's really properly.

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And so I think that's a little bit too much.

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And I never really buy the decision to not just go back and fetch

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our Molly.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, and I understand that they don't want, because that would

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kind of, in a sense, entail making the molly that sitting in front

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of them disappear.

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But they don't put it in those...

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They have to murder their daughter.

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In order to get their door so back.

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Which is why the ending's perfect, right?

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And we'll get there in the only way that Molly could possibly be

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murdered if she kills herself.

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But it's not really that because, of course, we're assured at the

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end that that Molly will be back where little Molly says, will

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that lady who I saw before, will I see her again, the girl?

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And Keiko says not for a few years, but yes, you will.

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So she's not gone because she's our Molly.

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And that's actually...

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Well, Nathan.

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Have you not seen Hannah Hattay these days?

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So, Hannah Hatay is grief. 37 now.

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He's quite the most beautiful creature to have come out of Star

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Trek ever.

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And she's very cool.

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She has dogs.

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She doesn't act.

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She has an Instagram account, which I couldn't look at properly

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because I've deleted my own Instagram account.

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But I did look at a little bit of it and she does seem really

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lovely and she says nice things about this episode.

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The memory alpha.

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Oh, she's on what you leave behind.

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She loves.

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Do you know, do you think she peaks with Molly?

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So she's like, I've got to have to give up acting.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'll never get any scenes like...

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He's in my world ever again. me She said she was terrified of

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Rubble Stillskin when she was a little girl like she was really

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frightened and someone had to be in the room with her and the

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actor whenever. yeah No, no, no, like she was scared of the guy

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made up to be Rumble Silskin.

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So she was scared of him.

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And she said that this bit was fun because she got to fall.

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Do you know what I mean?

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She was on a thing and she gets to fall into the time portal.

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And so she has memories of that.

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And she's getting older.

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She's playing it a little bit young.

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She's eight, I think, in dialogue here, but I think she's probably

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10 or 11 when she's actually doing the acting.

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And so she does 11 or 12 episodes in total across the 2 shows, I

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think.

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Like, yeah, the A-plot.

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It's problematic in the, I just, I'm watching it going, I'm not

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sure why we're doing this.

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But I'm also watching it going, wow, these performances are so

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honest.

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They're so sincere and all that stuff I was ripping last week when

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we selected this, you know, this is a bar, which you like the bar

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Marley?

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you know, all of that stuff.

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I was like, no, this is really well acted.

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It's like I summed it up to you in a message.

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I said, terrible premise.

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Superb execution.

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I just think they took all this bizarre, bizarre idea and just

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milked it for all it was worth.

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So by the end of it, when they were breaking her out of the cell

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and Odour was letting them go and all this, I was just so on board

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of his stuff.

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I was like, it's the characters.

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The characters, as ever with DS9, come through.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And everyone sort of gets involved and like Julian is really

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interesting.

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There's a great scene with Cisco.

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The scene with Odo is great.

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Quarks involvement is really good.

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Like they kind of get everyone right in this and they're all in

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it.

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And so it is a proper family episode.

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It's proper hang time with a deep space night family, which we're

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always going to love, I think.

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So I wasn't hanging out for more space battles or anything like

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that.

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I spent my time really enjoying just the actors and the characters

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interacting.

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So interesting as we've explored series 6 and 7 on Star Trek

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Project, because I think I was that fan that was like, you know

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where are the empires, you know, why are we toppling Cardassia and

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exploding 1500 spaceships, you know?

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Don't you remember how good Sacrifice of Angels was?

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And sort of as we've gone through, It's been stuff like...

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Bad at being, but a bang, taking me out to the hollow suite his

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way.

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Even this.

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I can't believe I'm going to say it, even this, where I'm like, no

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this is wonderful relief from all of that.

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And it's not only a reminder of what Star Trek is about, which is

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people, right?

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But it's a reminder of what DS9 is about.

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What DS9 had above all the others in the 90s is just this amazing

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cast of characters and their relationships with us.

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And I think it's worth, it is worth stopping just for an hour just

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to see, you know, sort of how well they all function together.

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Just the very poignant moments you can get between them.

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We'll talk about it in there and we'll go in in a second.

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This is a long preamble.

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But just like, like, it's a throwaway moment.

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It doesn't need to be there.

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Kira takes the baby from the O'Briens.

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She takes Yoshi from the O'Briens to Wharf and Dax.

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Yeah, she's the conveyance.

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That's it.

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It could have been done in a line.

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Oh, well, Kira's dropped off the baby.

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Instead, you get a scene between her and Odo, where she's holding

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the baby.

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And she goes, oh, do you know what?

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I might have one of my own one day.

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And the look on Odo's face when he realises he can't give her that

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and they're in a relationship now.

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It didn't need to be there.

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But it's beautiful. really good, isn't it?

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And just that reminder, you know, like the show hasn't forgotten

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Kira's role and gives us the chance to talk about that again, to

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address, to address that again.

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And that's really nice and it's a different side to Kira.

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It's wonderful.

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I just think all of that stuff is so great.

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I'll be excited to talk about this stupid episode.

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All right.

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Well, I think we'll go in.

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What do you think?

255
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I think we should, yes.

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Let's do it.

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I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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And uh, oh, there we go.

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So, Molly is so cute.

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She's so funny.

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Wake up. time to go.

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If a child woke me up like that, I was like, fuck off.

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I'm sleeping.

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But of course, I'm not a parent.

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Thank God.

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It's unbelievable, right?

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It is unbelievable.

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This is Hannah Hattay's and Rosalind Charles' only episode in

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series 6.

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And the only scene they get in Sirius 7 is their appearance in

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what you leave behind. one scene.

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So they're basically out.

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So, well, she's doing movies now.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Do you see how good she is, isn't it?

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Well, she don't need this.

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No, no, no, no.

279
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And, you know, bear in mind she's been going since what?

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Series 3 of Next Generation.

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She's been doing this a long time now.

282
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No, she is really great.

283
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She's really good.

284
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And I like this with the kids.

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Like, there's the bracelet, which is important to identifying

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Molly later a couple of times in the episode, and they've been to

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this place before that photo comes up later.

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Oh my god.

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Seam Steeler, Kira Yoshi, is so good.

290
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Oh, and just the car.

291
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I love the car.

292
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So the cat comes from a previous episode because, um, uh, Yeah

293
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it's the one with Nick Tate in it, you know, from Space 1999.

294
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And from Final Mission.

295
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Okay.

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That's the one.

297
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

298
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So she doesn't like it, which I think is kind of cool.

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It goes, yeah, the cat might get lost.

300
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Yeah, she goes, oh, bring it along, man.

301
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That's right.

302
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We brushing the hair as well.

303
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That was very important later.

304
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Do you know, I didn't realise there were so many little details in

305
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this pre-title sequence that come up later in the episode.

306
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Oh, yeah, yeah. all this stuff about getting lost.

307
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All of this stuff about sending them away, which obviously

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happened at the end of series 5 when the, um, the Dominion took

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over the station, and so we get over that.

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And as you said, um, this kind of sets up the, the final thing

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that happens, that they, they decide to go to earth.

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And like their relationship's always been a bit fractious because

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she hasn't wanted to be on the station.

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And so this is a little while, she went along with his thing and

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then he goes along with that. lovely bit in the middle in series 5

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where Kira moves in and we'll ignore the almost romance between

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her and Miles in that episode where there is a lovely sort of

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family film.

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You've got Molly, Kira, O'Brien, and Keiko is happy to be there at

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that point.

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But yeah, we've got we're in war territory now.

322
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So this sort of stuff has been moved to the side a little bit.

323
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Yeah, yeah.

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So I'm pleased we remember it here.

325
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I mean, did you see Kirioshi go, Abdul?

326
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It totally steal the same.

327
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He's so cute.

328
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He's so adorable.

329
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Did you know who directed Disney film?

330
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Alan Croker.

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Who does all the finale?

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What you leave behind?

333
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I did think, actually, watching this back.

334
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I did think the direction was pretty good, actually, of this

335
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episode.

336
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Yes, yeah.

337
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So we are, it's a gateway and they were going to say it was an

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Iconian gateway originally.

339
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Of course they were.

340
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But then they decided, come on.

341
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We not doing that.

342
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Ah, wee, there should go into the into the thing.

343
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Do you think, do you think there was like a nice trampoline down

344
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there for a hundred?

345
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she said.

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How wonderful.

347
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I mean, that is quite horrible though, isn't it?

348
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If you're a parent watching.

349
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Yeah.

350
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And the equivalent is, you know, you go somewhere beautiful and

351
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your child... into a cave and just falls down a hole.

352
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Yeah, like it's awful. never to be seen again.

353
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Like, it's really properly awful.

354
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And I think it's too much.

355
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Like, you know, that's that's what I would say.

356
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Because it's not making a point.

357
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And it's okay and it comes out good at the end and certainly the

358
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ending of it is very, very clever.

359
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Like, I think the ending of it is perfect, although they do have

360
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to have a scene explaining it to us just in case we weren't paying

361
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attention.

362
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But I thought the ending was really great.

363
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I wonder if we were all just a lot more stupid in the 90s, you

364
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know, we need this exposition.

365
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Yeah, yeah.

366
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Ah, so that Molly found that point, did she?

367
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I wonder if she knew, even though she clearly did, because we saw

368
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another preview.

369
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Yeah, we saw her again, mummy and daddy.

370
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Yeah, it's my folks.

371
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Oh, well.

372
00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:13.680
But yes, yeah, a pretty striking opening.

373
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And I said to you, it's very unusual with 90s straight.

374
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I mean, there aren't many shows where you could literally just

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have a family having a picnic because we don't do family. 90s

376
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trek.

377
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No, and apart from this show?

378
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Yeah, yeah.

379
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I mean, yeah.

380
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Or, you know, there's terrible episodes in Star Trek, the Next

381
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Generation where a family is on the ship for no reason.

382
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But like, I don't know.

383
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It is very early, it's very early DS9 though, isn't it?

384
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Like I said, like one of the characters goes in a runabout to a

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nearby planet, which is Galana, which is said to be in the Bajoran

386
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sector and is a place that Bajorans, although for some reason Kira

387
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doesn't know this history, that Bajorans colonised, but only a

388
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couple of years ago or 100 years ago or something.

389
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So it's a deserted planet by the time she goes back.

390
00:18:03.779 --> 00:18:07.079
Yeah, she's been so back far enough in time that she will be

391
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completely alone, which is why she can't communicate when she

392
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comes out, except with her fists.

393
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Yeah, yeah.

394
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And like none of that, like I just didn't buy any of that.

395
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Like I didn't buy that she wanted to go back and be with no one

396
00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:22.740
you know what I mean?

397
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Like never see anyone again.

398
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You've got Julian saying the trauma has caused her to forget you

399
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which seems all just a little bit convenient.

400
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Do you know what I mean?

401
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Like, I just didn't...

402
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Maybe she needed to be. even older.

403
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If it had been like 30 years or something like that.

404
00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:37.859
She was an old woman.

405
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But then, I mean, the problem with that then is that you've lost

406
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all of that time and she's not, you know, she couldn't be older

407
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than them.

408
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Should they still need to be her parents for it to work?

409
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But I mean, even losing that 10 years, the fact that they kind of

410
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accept that is just seems unlikely.

411
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It's just as well.

412
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The premie is right.

413
00:18:56.339 --> 00:18:59.400
Well, are you supposed to think about that as a parent, you know?

414
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As a parent watching this.

415
00:19:01.019 --> 00:19:01.319
Okay.

416
00:19:01.380 --> 00:19:03.960
So if my child fell down into a time portal, right?

417
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And then came back to 10 years later.

418
00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:10.019
And couldn't communicate with me was a total savage.

419
00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.119
Ooh, how would I deal with that situation?

420
00:19:12.180 --> 00:19:13.680
Well, I don't think it's like that.

421
00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:15.180
Why did you start glassing people?

422
00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:17.279
Like that just seems like a thing.

423
00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:18.119
Oh, I love that bit.

424
00:19:18.180 --> 00:19:20.579
Yeah, I know, but it doesn't seem like a skill you would pick up

425
00:19:20.579 --> 00:19:24.299
on the deserted planet Galana, you know, sometime in the 23rd

426
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century.

427
00:19:24.779 --> 00:19:26.880
But you know what, right?

428
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I do think when you go back to the, you know, when they take her

429
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on the holiday, and it's that, that lovely green pasture era So

430
00:19:33.900 --> 00:19:34.980
that moment, sorry, sorry.

431
00:19:35.099 --> 00:19:37.559
We just missed O'Brien saying bollocks.

432
00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:39.660
Oh, I love that as well.

433
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And but then Kira Yoshi starts crying. when that happens, and that

434
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was just kind of like, like I actually found that quite upsetting

435
00:19:47.940 --> 00:19:50.519
him, though, Yoshi can't know what's going on.

436
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Just his outburst.

437
00:19:52.140 --> 00:19:55.559
And when this was 1st broadcast in the UK, the word bollocks was

438
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cut.

439
00:19:55.980 --> 00:20:00.180
It's like, um, O'Brien gets to say bloody as well because that's

440
00:20:00.180 --> 00:20:02.099
not a swear word in America.

441
00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:05.819
I just love the fact that bollocks ended up in a Star Trek

442
00:20:05.819 --> 00:20:06.119
episode.

443
00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:09.119
Yeah, well, I liked it when fucking shit ended up in Star Trek

444
00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:10.319
episodes, to be honest.

445
00:20:10.380 --> 00:20:14.039
I want more of that So they were paving the way, Nathan, for

446
00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:14.759
cursing trip.

447
00:20:14.819 --> 00:20:15.720
Yeah, that's right.

448
00:20:15.779 --> 00:20:17.099
I would start with the bollocks.

449
00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:18.059
We end up with a fuck.

450
00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:18.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

451
00:20:18.779 --> 00:20:20.460
Oh, I love...

452
00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:24.240
I love this scene so much Look at the way she handles Kyrio

453
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Shakira.

454
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You're gonna be so adorable.

455
00:20:26.339 --> 00:20:29.519
And honestly, none of this is a mother at this point.

456
00:20:29.579 --> 00:20:33.000
So she's handling a baby the way you have a baby, right?

457
00:20:33.059 --> 00:20:34.319
It was her baby, wasn't it?

458
00:20:34.380 --> 00:20:37.140
And Odo is as awkward as he's ever been.

459
00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:38.940
Like, 0 my god.

460
00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:41.700
What am I supposed to do with this little creature?

461
00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:46.980
Trouble is they're talking about all this this mad premise, so...

462
00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:50.700
Thank you for letting us know the exposition of about where she

463
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landed and how long ago it was.

464
00:20:52.859 --> 00:20:53.579
Thank you very much.

465
00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:55.019
But they do.

466
00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:56.940
Zinger is the character moment, though.

467
00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:57.720
Yeah, yeah.

468
00:20:57.779 --> 00:20:58.259
Yeah.

469
00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:01.019
And like they're selling what's happening because we're not going

470
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to see it.

471
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And I guess having those 2 talk about it and establishing Yoshi as

472
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an important character in this episode is worth doing.

473
00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:10.019
And look.

474
00:21:10.140 --> 00:21:13.980
At this point, we still think we're getting Molly back as a child

475
00:21:13.980 --> 00:21:14.460
don't we?

476
00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:17.880
Well, we don't know because like we're only 5 minutes into the

477
00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:19.740
episode and something's got to happen, you know.

478
00:21:20.099 --> 00:21:25.140
But, but, it's so it's so weird to seem right because you're

479
00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:25.380
right.

480
00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:29.099
Ross and Chow is so great, so convincing, too convincing.

481
00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:29.700
Yeah.

482
00:21:29.700 --> 00:21:32.579
And we don't really get a lot of that in 90s trick, do we?

483
00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:33.720
Most of the performance are.

484
00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:36.299
He's trying to reassure her.

485
00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:40.079
And you kind of think, okay, she's convinced by the space staff.

486
00:21:40.140 --> 00:21:45.720
And then, and then this, like, I find that really quite hard to

487
00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:46.980
watch, whereas our baby.

488
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Like, it's, she's really good.

489
00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:50.039
She's so good.

490
00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:52.559
And it's so good.

491
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I don't know.

492
00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:54.180
I don't know.

493
00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:56.880
I think it's just too much for this stupid science fiction show.

494
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Do you know what I mean?

495
00:21:57.839 --> 00:21:59.819
Like, she's fallen.

496
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You're too good for this, bro.

497
00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:02.279
That's it.

498
00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:03.240
That's it.

499
00:22:03.299 --> 00:22:07.140
It makes it, it makes it a little bit too real, you know, it makes

500
00:22:07.140 --> 00:22:08.940
it too real and it's not really real.

501
00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:12.599
I mean, I liked, but that's what I liked about this.

502
00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:14.039
Yeah, I liked the sincerity.

503
00:22:14.099 --> 00:22:15.000
She is great.

504
00:22:15.059 --> 00:22:15.900
Like, she's amazing.

505
00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:18.660
I wouldn't want her to do a worse job, but I just kind of think

506
00:22:18.660 --> 00:22:21.359
that that's just slightly too much.

507
00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:22.980
Yeah.

508
00:22:23.099 --> 00:22:24.000
Here we go now.

509
00:22:24.059 --> 00:22:24.240
Right.

510
00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:25.019
The machine's going.

511
00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:27.180
We're going to get Molly back.

512
00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:31.319
Lots of technobabble DNA acquisition sensors ago, you know?

513
00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:36.359
We're as ready as we're ever going to be, chief.

514
00:22:36.420 --> 00:22:36.900
Off we go.

515
00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:38.220
Right.

516
00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:41.220
Oh, the one thing we haven't mentioned, you know, is, because

517
00:22:41.220 --> 00:22:44.579
she's just about to appear, is the extraordinary performance of

518
00:22:44.579 --> 00:22:46.140
the older Molly.

519
00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:48.960
That is such a thankless role.

520
00:22:49.019 --> 00:22:52.559
Like, we want you to play this savage that's been on our own.

521
00:22:52.619 --> 00:22:54.900
Yeah, I think she's really good.

522
00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:55.619
She was so sweet.

523
00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:59.339
I just really like her. beautiful as well.

524
00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:00.539
Yeah, just so pretty.

525
00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:01.319
Yeah.

526
00:23:01.380 --> 00:23:04.259
Yeah, no, it's rough though, isn't it?

527
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:08.160
Right now, they've roughed up her hair and she looks a bit like

528
00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:10.920
the Jersey Devil from that X-File episode, you know, sort of

529
00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:15.359
covered in scars and stuff as well, which obviously get cured.

530
00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:16.440
Do you know what I mean?

531
00:23:16.500 --> 00:23:19.019
she looks like she's properly been living in the wild.

532
00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:22.859
Do you know what Mark said, because Mark was watching this for me

533
00:23:22.859 --> 00:23:23.099
right?

534
00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:25.319
And he goes, in the next scene.

535
00:23:25.500 --> 00:23:28.079
Obviously, her hair is done and she's got makeup on and everything

536
00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:30.000
and he went, what?

537
00:23:30.059 --> 00:23:32.099
She found makeup on the planet.

538
00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:32.759
I said, no.

539
00:23:32.819 --> 00:23:35.279
I said, they've sent her off to hair and beauty, haven't they?

540
00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:36.420
Well, she's like, gotcha.

541
00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:39.420
Look at the outfit she made herself too.

542
00:23:39.900 --> 00:23:42.059
Those scars are nasty.

543
00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:42.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

544
00:23:43.019 --> 00:23:44.099
Like they are really nasty.

545
00:23:44.220 --> 00:23:46.859
Like something has happened that's really kind of terrible.

546
00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:49.079
And look, again, look at Rosalind.

547
00:23:49.140 --> 00:23:49.920
Look at her reaction.

548
00:23:49.980 --> 00:23:50.700
She's so good.

549
00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:52.680
She's so good.

550
00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:57.599
But even though it is like, you know, manoeuvring them into an

551
00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:01.259
episode where they have to abandon their daughter.

552
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:04.079
Yeah, it's a kind of horrible thing to do.

553
00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:05.700
I do love.

554
00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:09.240
I love the fact that they love her so much that they'll do what's

555
00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:09.660
right for her.

556
00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:11.640
What they think is right for her.

557
00:24:11.700 --> 00:24:14.460
And what Molly thinks is right for her too, because she says that

558
00:24:14.460 --> 00:24:16.019
she loves them as she's leaving.

559
00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:19.799
You know, like it is sort of really tender, I think.

560
00:24:19.859 --> 00:24:21.839
And it is clearly what she wants.

561
00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:24.839
Like she's clearly happy and it's only when she sees how

562
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:29.039
distressed the little Molly was that she decides to give little

563
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:32.279
Molly what she wants and that she foregoes what she wants.

564
00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:36.240
I mean, Ross and Chow has never met this actress in her life, but

565
00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:38.759
I utterly believe that they're my front daughter in this scene.

566
00:24:38.819 --> 00:24:40.019
The way she's stroking her face.

567
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:42.480
But it's the space thing.

568
00:24:42.539 --> 00:24:46.140
It's the genre brain thing where where it's kind of like, no, we

569
00:24:46.140 --> 00:24:50.460
can't go and fetch the other Molly because then there would be no

570
00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:52.319
one to grow up into this Molly.

571
00:24:52.380 --> 00:24:57.420
And you kind of go, come on, like, like, what, so, like, do I care

572
00:24:57.420 --> 00:24:58.380
about that?

573
00:24:58.440 --> 00:24:59.099
Do you know what I mean?

574
00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:02.819
Look, do you want to visit from Dolma and Lustley from temporal

575
00:25:02.819 --> 00:25:03.839
investigations, right?

576
00:25:03.900 --> 00:25:06.720
You start fucking around with the timelines like this.

577
00:25:06.779 --> 00:25:07.859
That's what will happen.

578
00:25:08.940 --> 00:25:12.180
Dolmer and lostly.

579
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:13.500
Oh here we go.

580
00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:15.779
We've got our little visitor wolf.

581
00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:18.539
Gung, gung, gung, gung.

582
00:25:20.460 --> 00:25:25.319
I don't know how they do it, you know, because he gets that line.

583
00:25:25.380 --> 00:25:27.240
He goes, what is this infant doing in my home?

584
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:30.299
But he's clearly delighted that he's the...

585
00:25:30.299 --> 00:25:34.619
His eyes have just got a sparkle in them for out, though, haven't

586
00:25:34.619 --> 00:25:34.799
they?

587
00:25:34.859 --> 00:25:35.880
He's loving it.

588
00:25:35.940 --> 00:25:37.140
It's so great.

589
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:41.339
I love the fact we've gotten over all that, you know, in season

590
00:25:41.339 --> 00:25:44.400
five, let Hugh is without seeing all that sort of the initial

591
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:45.420
bumps in there.

592
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.059
They just love each other now, Dax and Wharf, you know?

593
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:49.140
Yeah, it's really nice.

594
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:51.720
It's like, why are we doing this all the time in 90s?

595
00:25:51.779 --> 00:25:52.319
I don't understand.

596
00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:57.119
It's exactly what you said, which is just letting Michael be as

597
00:25:57.119 --> 00:25:59.099
charming as he is.

598
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:03.059
And he is incredibly charming and he's wonderful in this.

599
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:03.599
He so great.

600
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:06.960
Go back and watch him in series one of TNG.

601
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:10.859
He's just growling and scouring. entire season.

602
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:13.019
Oh, he can actually act.

603
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:13.500
Okay.

604
00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:17.640
But if you are going to bring him over to DS 9, right?

605
00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:18.720
Give him new things to do.

606
00:26:18.779 --> 00:26:19.380
Yeah.

607
00:26:19.380 --> 00:26:21.059
So they give him a long-term relationship.

608
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:22.200
They let him get married.

609
00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:23.519
They're talking about having children.

610
00:26:23.579 --> 00:26:26.880
He goes for the loss of his wife, you know, really interesting

611
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:27.299
stuff.

612
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:28.980
Yeah, yeah. probably good.

613
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:30.779
Oh, I just love... you know what?

614
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:32.519
I really hate child actors.

615
00:26:32.579 --> 00:26:34.259
I've not ever made a secret of that.

616
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.559
There's a whole subset of them in Doctor Who that I just loathe.

617
00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:41.400
I don't know why, but Hannah Hate and whoever's playing Kyrioshi.

618
00:26:41.460 --> 00:26:44.940
They're just adorable He's so cute He's really adorable.

619
00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:49.380
Warhol, the baby, as a pro wrist, that's gold.

620
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.259
He's going Bombay mix, Bombay mix.

621
00:26:52.259 --> 00:26:57.240
And that's what Adina says to Saffie in that early episode.

622
00:26:57.299 --> 00:26:58.859
Listen to Mummy's funny voice there.

623
00:26:58.980 --> 00:27:00.480
Bombay mix.

624
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:01.440
Bombay mix.

625
00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:03.480
And he's doing it with the same intonation.

626
00:27:03.539 --> 00:27:04.440
It's gone to be that.

627
00:27:04.500 --> 00:27:05.460
This is 1998.

628
00:27:05.700 --> 00:27:07.740
That episode's been out for a couple of years.

629
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:11.400
He's clearly seen it and that's his, that's what he's saying.

630
00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:11.940
Wow.

631
00:27:11.940 --> 00:27:13.380
Do you think he's had loop there?

632
00:27:13.500 --> 00:27:14.039
Yeah, yeah.

633
00:27:14.099 --> 00:27:14.460
Oh, yeah.

634
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:18.839
And I looked it up because the subtitles were, you know, did it in

635
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:22.079
Klingon spelling and stuff and no one could say that it meant

636
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:22.680
anything.

637
00:27:22.740 --> 00:27:24.059
It was just clearly nonsense.

638
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:25.980
So he was clearly just ad-libbing it.

639
00:27:26.099 --> 00:27:27.240
And that was him.

640
00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:28.019
That's wonderful.

641
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:28.799
Oh, yeah, yeah.

642
00:27:28.859 --> 00:27:29.099
Yeah.

643
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:34.859
Oh, now, I sent you a message about this little setup in the cargo

644
00:27:34.859 --> 00:27:39.480
bay with the sort of the tree and what I love about this is it

645
00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:45.000
absolutely exposes the artificiality of the usual fake planetary

646
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.119
services that we have that are forests and things because this is

647
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:51.420
basically just the regular planet surface with a cargo bay around

648
00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:51.660
it.

649
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:52.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

650
00:27:52.380 --> 00:27:54.900
The light in, everything's the same, absolutely everything.

651
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:58.619
Well, it's funny, the 1st episode of Deep Space 9 we ever did on

652
00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:01.740
Untitled Star Trek Project was all about setting it up, setting up

653
00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:03.059
an arboretum, wasn't it?

654
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:06.180
for Keiko in the cargo bay.

655
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:08.640
She didn't want none of it, though, did she?

656
00:28:08.700 --> 00:28:09.839
She went off to some caves.

657
00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:13.140
But I kind of like that. and you're right.

658
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:16.200
And they start getting it right in Star Trek, the next generation

659
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:19.140
that they do pretty convincing sunlight in the studio.

660
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.660
So I think that that looks pretty good.

661
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:24.599
But like, I don't know.

662
00:28:24.660 --> 00:28:29.759
I really do want to say nice things about this actress.

663
00:28:29.819 --> 00:28:32.400
Like, she's having to climb trees.

664
00:28:32.460 --> 00:28:35.099
And she just makes it all look so naturalistic.

665
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:36.059
Rosalind.

666
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:39.480
Like every, like, she is selling this stupid premise.

667
00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:44.400
So, look, you know, like, because it is, it's precisely the how

668
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.619
the fuck am I supposed to feel about this.

669
00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:50.339
She's been doing it for 10 years now, all right?

670
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:54.119
She's had wharf to deliver her baby, you know.

671
00:28:54.180 --> 00:28:56.700
She's been taken over by an evil par race.

672
00:28:56.819 --> 00:28:57.420
She could do anything.

673
00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:58.680
She can now.

674
00:28:58.740 --> 00:28:59.579
That's exactly right.

675
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.519
She's been threatened by her husband who was possessed.

676
00:29:02.579 --> 00:29:04.740
She's been possessed and threatening her husband.

677
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:06.180
It's the full game.

678
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:07.319
I have no if, you know.

679
00:29:07.380 --> 00:29:11.339
I have noticed that there has been a shift in how people consider

680
00:29:11.339 --> 00:29:16.140
Keiko because there was a time, you know, in the 90s because she

681
00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:18.420
was basically on this show just going, I don't want to be here.

682
00:29:18.779 --> 00:29:19.200
I hate this show.

683
00:29:19.259 --> 00:29:20.400
I hate this.

684
00:29:20.460 --> 00:29:22.740
And people were like, oh, well, then fuck off.

685
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:23.220
We hate you.

686
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:25.500
And there was that people used to do the cat call.

687
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.680
Because, you know, she'd always go, miles, miles.

688
00:29:28.740 --> 00:29:30.839
You know, it sounded like a cat miaowing.

689
00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:37.680
Now, I've noticed with the new Trek fandom coming in from Kurtzman

690
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:42.420
Trek, where women get a lot more focus, that there is a huge

691
00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:47.339
appreciation of somebody in the midst of all this madness on DS9

692
00:29:47.339 --> 00:29:51.180
calling it out and saying, you know, this is no place to bring up

693
00:29:51.180 --> 00:29:51.539
a child.

694
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:55.920
And also she is just stunningly beautiful and so good.

695
00:29:55.980 --> 00:29:58.259
Like, look at her selling this stuff.

696
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:02.220
Like, selling, you know, giving the 18 year old and dead.

697
00:30:02.460 --> 00:30:07.200
Mark was watching this going, you know, oh, here's Loopy the

698
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:07.559
Doll.

699
00:30:07.619 --> 00:30:09.420
Would you like the doll, Molly?

700
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:10.859
I thought, oh, I can't.

701
00:30:10.980 --> 00:30:12.119
Actually, he was watching the episode.

702
00:30:12.180 --> 00:30:14.160
He was genuinely getting involved in it.

703
00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:15.839
Yeah, yeah.

704
00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:19.079
Like, and it is, look at her smile.

705
00:30:19.140 --> 00:30:20.579
Look how beautiful. she is.

706
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:21.960
She's just so stunning.

707
00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:23.039
And I think she's great.

708
00:30:23.099 --> 00:30:26.160
But yes, it's that sort of thing where, where if there's a

709
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.619
character on the show, you want to be on the show.

710
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.319
You're watching the show because you love the show and you love

711
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:32.460
the premise and all of that.

712
00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:34.920
And she's there going, I actually don't want to be here.

713
00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:36.660
I don't want to be in this stupid show.

714
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:37.980
I hate these sets.

715
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:40.680
I want to go home, then we're not going to like it.

716
00:30:40.740 --> 00:30:44.279
So this evening, which you made fun of.

717
00:30:45.059 --> 00:30:47.579
May I have the ball, Nathan?

718
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:48.599
No, wait, wait.

719
00:30:48.660 --> 00:30:52.019
But please, please, just for a 2nd put yourself in the mind of

720
00:30:52.019 --> 00:30:54.900
those people that want war and they want things. and they're

721
00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:57.900
sitting here watching them go, would you like the bowl, Marley?

722
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:03.839
So, I have to confess that I laughed out loud in this scene, and

723
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:06.839
it's this moment where she goes and puts down the ball on top of a

724
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:10.140
whole bunch of other balls, and that changes what this scene has

725
00:31:10.140 --> 00:31:10.559
been about.

726
00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:13.079
Like, it's not that she doesn't know about balls or anything like

727
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:13.319
that.

728
00:31:13.380 --> 00:31:17.940
It's like, she's like, Jasper, she's like my dog who will go and

729
00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:20.759
collect the treats from the other dogs and put them in a pile and

730
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:22.079
try and guard them.

731
00:31:22.140 --> 00:31:25.140
And I just thought that was hilarious because it just changed the

732
00:31:25.140 --> 00:31:28.500
meaning of what's been going on in that scene in a really funny

733
00:31:28.500 --> 00:31:28.859
way.

734
00:31:28.980 --> 00:31:33.240
But of course, what this is doing is it's showing that they are

735
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:34.079
getting through to her.

736
00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:39.900
She's starting to remember the familial relationships, you know

737
00:31:39.900 --> 00:31:41.279
with the hairbrushing in a minute.

738
00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:44.700
So we're starting to think, okay, so maybe this is going to work

739
00:31:44.700 --> 00:31:44.819
out.

740
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:45.480
Yeah.

741
00:31:46.259 --> 00:31:49.680
And then and then there's that wonderful bit in the quarters, which

742
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:50.279
we'll get to.

743
00:31:50.339 --> 00:31:53.099
I really love when she tears up the clothes and just rejects it

744
00:31:53.099 --> 00:31:53.700
outright.

745
00:31:54.299 --> 00:31:58.140
Why would I want to stay in this miserable gray room when I've got

746
00:31:58.140 --> 00:32:00.059
all that space and lovely green?

747
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:00.720
Yeah.

748
00:32:01.859 --> 00:32:02.940
Yes, but look at her.

749
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:04.140
She's smiling and everything.

750
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:06.059
And it is the reciprocity thing.

751
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.720
Oh, we talk about this scene, please.

752
00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:15.599
I caught it and won the half of the magnificent...

753
00:32:15.660 --> 00:32:16.980
I can do all those things.

754
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:19.559
I can make this baby go to sleep.

755
00:32:19.619 --> 00:32:20.519
Yeah, yeah.

756
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.680
Just drug it.

757
00:32:22.740 --> 00:32:23.460
I'll drug it.

758
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:27.000
Julian, have you got a hyper spray?

759
00:32:27.059 --> 00:32:27.539
Thank you very much.

760
00:32:27.779 --> 00:32:30.900
And did you sing to him?

761
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:32.880
And you kind of expected me to go, no, come on.

762
00:32:32.940 --> 00:32:34.920
And he says...

763
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:35.819
Oh, we've heard him sing again.

764
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:37.500
Hang on opera.

765
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:40.980
Oh, no, no, me, no, no.

766
00:32:42.539 --> 00:32:45.839
Oh, it's such a great speech, isn't it?

767
00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:48.960
I've piloted starships through Dominion minefields.

768
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.740
I've stood again bow against Kelvin's twice my size.

769
00:32:52.859 --> 00:32:56.700
I caught it and won the heart of the magnificent Jetzia Dax.

770
00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:57.779
It's so...

771
00:32:57.779 --> 00:32:59.579
My ultimate nemesis.

772
00:32:59.579 --> 00:33:02.099
I can't see.

773
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:10.140
But it does, I also love, I do love the fact that he calls her out

774
00:33:10.140 --> 00:33:13.740
and goes, no, you want to see how I am as a player.

775
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:14.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

776
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:16.859
In fact, she's making fun of him.

777
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:20.099
She's going, like, talk about having no sense of perspective, just

778
00:33:20.099 --> 00:33:21.599
what he, what the hell are you doing?

779
00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:22.019
You know.

780
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:28.440
Um, and then he says, I know that you're judging me, you know, and

781
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:31.500
he passes the test and we lead to, we're thinking about having a

782
00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:31.859
baby.

783
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:32.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

784
00:33:32.940 --> 00:33:33.420
After this.

785
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:34.680
It was a secret.

786
00:33:34.740 --> 00:33:37.740
Did they mention the Yoshi thing in that scene?

787
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.619
I can't remember, but you have to be thinking about it because it

788
00:33:40.619 --> 00:33:43.799
was 2 weeks ago at that at that point, wasn't it?

789
00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:44.759
Yeah.

790
00:33:44.819 --> 00:33:48.720
But it is nice as well, that they are giving that some

791
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:51.420
consideration because obviously they know Jazzy is going.

792
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:52.799
They know they're pulling her out of the show.

793
00:33:52.859 --> 00:33:56.099
So to sort of take them in a direction and then rent shit.

794
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:57.420
I know it's melodiratt.

795
00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:58.619
We do take the piss out of it a lot.

796
00:33:58.680 --> 00:33:59.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

797
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:00.900
It's had some buildup.

798
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:01.559
Yeah exactly.

799
00:34:04.619 --> 00:34:05.400
Oh, here we go.

800
00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:06.900
I just like this as well.

801
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.659
They trying to live their lives around this mad...

802
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:10.860
She's sleeping in the tree.

803
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.460
He's got the couch there and he's sleeping on the couch with her

804
00:34:14.460 --> 00:34:14.579
there.

805
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:16.980
She's arranging where Kirioshi's going to be.

806
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:18.599
He comes in with her air tied up.

807
00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:18.840
Right.

808
00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:19.619
I just finished work.

809
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:20.340
I'm taking over.

810
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:20.940
You go to work.

811
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:22.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

812
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:24.659
They've still sort of got to live their lives.

813
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:27.960
Well, and that's it, it's life on the station as well, which I

814
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.300
really like there.

815
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:31.440
Oh my word.

816
00:34:31.500 --> 00:34:34.739
This really, I thought this was this was a really beautiful

817
00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:35.400
moment.

818
00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:39.659
But more because it's an obvious thing, but just say how it was

819
00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:40.019
played.

820
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.920
Yeah, yeah. than her reaching out for the hairbrush.

821
00:34:43.980 --> 00:34:49.260
And her kind of going, oh, she's making a connection.

822
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.480
Like, look at how Rosalind's playing it.

823
00:34:51.539 --> 00:34:52.860
She's so good.

824
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:54.059
And the music here.

825
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:57.599
So we've got Jade Shadowaway's music and you can hear a girl

826
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:00.179
singing on the track on the soundtrack.

827
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:04.920
It's so rare to have voices in a Star Trek, not since Best of Both

828
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:06.239
Worlds, part one, maybe.

829
00:35:06.659 --> 00:35:08.699
I just feel like, right.

830
00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:11.880
There was a tone meeting where everyone sat down to read out the

831
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:15.059
script and they went, look, this is bullshit, right?

832
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:19.079
But we're going to make this Jay, the director Alan Croeca, the

833
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:19.440
actors.

834
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:21.599
Let's just make this as good as we can.

835
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:22.860
Yeah, yeah.

836
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:24.719
Oh, you're doing that every week.

837
00:35:24.780 --> 00:35:25.920
Yeah.

838
00:35:25.980 --> 00:35:28.980
The amphromorphizing of the landscape.

839
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:30.000
So interesting.

840
00:35:30.539 --> 00:35:35.400
And and the way it plays out at the end because then Molly draws

841
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:36.300
little Molly.

842
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:40.980
Our Molly draws the same picture with the same landscape, even

843
00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:42.840
though she was she wasn't even there.

844
00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:45.780
She'd been to that place for a picnic and she loved it.

845
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.920
You know, and she she showed Yoshi the picture of them at the

846
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:50.940
previous picnic.

847
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.699
But all of this stuff too, where Julian's trying to talk him down

848
00:35:53.699 --> 00:35:57.659
and say, look, it just might not be quite as quick and easy as you

849
00:35:57.659 --> 00:35:58.500
think it is.

850
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:02.639
And that's really good and that's about their relationship and

851
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:06.119
it's about him as a professional and stuff, all of that's really

852
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:06.300
good.

853
00:36:06.420 --> 00:36:07.619
Gong, gong, gong.

854
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.019
I just, I like it as well because it could, it could have so

855
00:36:10.019 --> 00:36:12.960
easily have been, you know, it, Molly's only in one more episode

856
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:13.559
off this.

857
00:36:13.619 --> 00:36:15.599
It could have been that they kept the older Molly, right?

858
00:36:15.659 --> 00:36:18.480
That could have been the ending of this and we just never see her

859
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.599
again until that last scene in what you leave behind and we just

860
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:22.139
forget about her.

861
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.920
And we do that thing they did in a hard time of like, well, you

862
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:28.139
know, it's going to take a while to get over this and we never

863
00:36:28.139 --> 00:36:29.579
talk about it. again, instead.

864
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.039
They just wrap it up in a boat beautifully.

865
00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:33.780
Yeah, I agree.

866
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.960
Oh, and again, we mock wharf.

867
00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:39.539
Like wharf is always funny because he's tried to walk off with a

868
00:36:39.539 --> 00:36:41.699
rattle and now Julian's making fun of him.

869
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:48.599
Okay, I don't know how that kid looks so gourmless. so cute.

870
00:36:48.659 --> 00:36:50.280
He's so cool.

871
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.039
Oh, no, here we go.

872
00:36:53.099 --> 00:36:53.820
Molly's not happy.

873
00:36:53.940 --> 00:36:55.199
No, and we've come...

874
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:56.579
She's climbing about this cargo, babe.

875
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:01.260
From the scene, like from the scene with Julian saying it may not

876
00:37:01.260 --> 00:37:02.880
be as easy as you think.

877
00:37:04.139 --> 00:37:11.400
Oh, and she hears she hears her say the word home and she repeats

878
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:12.300
it, doesn't she?

879
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:16.019
Like, like, Keiko says the word home 1st and then Molly repeats

880
00:37:16.019 --> 00:37:16.199
it.

881
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:19.739
And it's, it's kind of so sad because they think she's talking

882
00:37:19.739 --> 00:37:22.860
about her, and they take her back home.

883
00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:25.619
I mean, they are miserable, aren't they?

884
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:27.420
I thought gun metal gray.

885
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:28.139
Yeah.

886
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:32.699
But again, like I kind of just none of that seems particularly

887
00:37:32.699 --> 00:37:33.300
credible.

888
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:34.320
I think.

889
00:37:34.380 --> 00:37:35.099
I don't know.

890
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:36.059
I don't know.

891
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:36.960
It doesn't matter.

892
00:37:37.019 --> 00:37:38.400
It's a space thing, whatever.

893
00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:41.280
But she's just so great though.

894
00:37:41.340 --> 00:37:42.179
She's looking around.

895
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:43.260
She's taking it all in.

896
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:44.699
She goes into her room.

897
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:46.139
She recognises the toys.

898
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:47.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

899
00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:50.579
And then she just says no and she just tears the dress up.

900
00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:52.679
Yeah.

901
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:56.280
And then it's straight into the holodeck sequence where she's

902
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:58.559
running around and in the wide open space.

903
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.480
And I know what you're saying about, you know, why would she want

904
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:01.260
to be there on her own?

905
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:04.260
But if you have been in a wide open space for 10 years.

906
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:09.659
And then you're trapped in this miserable gray, tight space.

907
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:11.880
It would have an effect on you, I think.

908
00:38:11.940 --> 00:38:12.840
Yeah, yeah.

909
00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:15.239
But I mean, they have to make her so kind of violent and

910
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.800
uncontrollable that they have to surrender her for her own good.

911
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:24.599
And you can see that it's just being done to make the episode play

912
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:25.320
out that way.

913
00:38:25.380 --> 00:38:31.199
And so it, like, like you said, the premise is preposterous and

914
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:36.840
none of it really properly works, but all of the actual scenes and

915
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:40.800
the episode and what we're spending time doing is just great.

916
00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:42.000
It's pretty good staff.

917
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:43.559
Look at the class.

918
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.719
That is the most...

919
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:50.219
The house thing on the...

920
00:38:50.219 --> 00:38:53.760
Yeah, it's the character decisions.

921
00:38:53.820 --> 00:38:57.300
I think makes sense, but it's just how they're portrayed, I think

922
00:38:57.300 --> 00:38:58.619
more than anything.

923
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.920
What the hell did Waddle and Thompson, the writers of this

924
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:02.280
episode.

925
00:39:02.340 --> 00:39:05.099
The last episode they wrote was Inquisition, okay?

926
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.980
which was the 1st section 31 episode.

927
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:09.119
And it, right?

928
00:39:09.179 --> 00:39:12.659
Guys, we've got a great premise for you this time, you know, Savage

929
00:39:12.659 --> 00:39:15.300
Molly, torn through time by a decade.

930
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:16.199
Yeah, yeah.

931
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:20.340
I think they just, instead of focussing on the premise, they just

932
00:39:20.340 --> 00:39:21.659
focussed on the details.

933
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:25.619
Well, I think Manosky writes the teleplay and it's a story by

934
00:39:25.619 --> 00:39:27.599
Wedlon Thompson, I think.

935
00:39:27.659 --> 00:39:28.679
Oh, okay.

936
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.559
Manovsky, well, no wonder it's a bit old.

937
00:39:33.179 --> 00:39:37.679
But so, you know, like a high concept idea like this, like is

938
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:39.900
worth a try at Star Trek, where else are you going to do it?

939
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:43.860
I was so surprised I didn't realise this was the holodeck when I

940
00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:44.820
watched it last night.

941
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:48.179
And again, that looks like it solves the problem, doesn't it?

942
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:49.320
It looks like it solves a problem.

943
00:39:49.380 --> 00:39:52.380
You know, when you do realise, Nathan, it's when there's that

944
00:39:52.380 --> 00:39:56.099
agonisingly terrible special effect of quark standing in the

945
00:39:56.099 --> 00:39:57.539
doorway on location.

946
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.539
Yeah, yeah. awful.

947
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:03.179
They can't quite do the matting on location yet.

948
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:04.500
Unfortunately.

949
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:09.360
But will you please have a look at how the action is stationed.

950
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:13.199
Now you might not like her gutting the man with the half smashed

951
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:13.679
bottle.

952
00:40:13.739 --> 00:40:19.260
But she literally comes out, bites Quark, runs down the stairs and

953
00:40:19.260 --> 00:40:23.219
then pushes over like a domino effect, 5 or 6 people and there's

954
00:40:23.219 --> 00:40:24.360
just stuff flying everywhere.

955
00:40:24.420 --> 00:40:26.280
Then the man falls.

956
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.739
In terms of staging, it's great.

957
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:30.300
Well, she goes down the stairs.

958
00:40:30.420 --> 00:40:31.980
How do you stage chaos like that?

959
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:34.619
Yeah, did they have a few goes?

960
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:36.780
Because it's, it all just falls perfectly.

961
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:37.860
It's not too bad.

962
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:39.420
It's a short one.

963
00:40:39.900 --> 00:40:41.880
Yeah, yeah, it is pretty terrible.

964
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:47.820
And like Quark knows what's at stake here and he actually cares

965
00:40:47.820 --> 00:40:48.780
that they're okay.

966
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:50.400
Do you know what I mean?

967
00:40:50.460 --> 00:40:52.739
He tries to get out of it, but he really can't.

968
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:58.079
And it's a choice between his friends or those 2 massive

969
00:40:58.079 --> 00:40:58.920
Klingons.

970
00:40:58.920 --> 00:40:59.460
That's right.

971
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:01.019
Yeah, and it had to be Klingons.

972
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:03.119
I think. you know, and he even buys them a drink.

973
00:41:03.179 --> 00:41:05.880
It's like, I'll buy you a drink while they sort themselves out.

974
00:41:05.940 --> 00:41:06.960
Do you know what I mean?

975
00:41:07.019 --> 00:41:09.719
It is Quark being generous and being part of the family.

976
00:41:09.780 --> 00:41:11.280
And that's his one scene here.

977
00:41:11.340 --> 00:41:16.860
You know, obviously, and there's the violence bit, you know, later

978
00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:17.340
oh, dear.

979
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:17.579
Yeah.

980
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:19.559
That was terrible.

981
00:41:19.619 --> 00:41:23.219
Although I do like how the lighting changes before the background

982
00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:24.059
changes.

983
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:27.960
Like that's actually pretty good when the holodeck switches off.

984
00:41:28.019 --> 00:41:31.500
I still think, and this is a very Star Trek podcast thing to say

985
00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:35.340
those are the best holodeck sets out of all the shows, you know.

986
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:37.679
I love the hollow sweet lighting.

987
00:41:37.739 --> 00:41:42.059
Do you know, I really secretly like just the simplicity of the

988
00:41:42.059 --> 00:41:44.639
next generation one where it's a grid.

989
00:41:44.699 --> 00:41:45.900
It's a space.

990
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:48.300
I can see the tape coming up in places.

991
00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:49.199
Yeah, yeah.

992
00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:50.219
But I just like the grid.

993
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.139
Like I don't want it to be too fancy.

994
00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:54.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

995
00:41:54.059 --> 00:41:55.800
Watch how she pushes that one person.

996
00:41:55.860 --> 00:41:58.260
Yeah, it goes, just the woman over, pushes another person over

997
00:41:58.260 --> 00:42:01.079
pushes that Ferengi over 2 people catch him.

998
00:42:01.139 --> 00:42:05.460
She jumps on this guy, she stabs this guy because that's what you

999
00:42:05.460 --> 00:42:06.960
do on the planet.

1000
00:42:07.019 --> 00:42:08.219
Galana all the time.

1001
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:09.960
They're sort of glassing people.

1002
00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:11.099
Oh, no way.

1003
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:14.820
So he has kind of established she's in a violent situation because

1004
00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:15.900
she was covered in scars.

1005
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:18.599
So she's obviously grappling with animals to feed and things like

1006
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:18.780
that.

1007
00:42:18.900 --> 00:42:21.360
I don't think it's implausible.

1008
00:42:21.420 --> 00:42:26.400
But it's just like if she's being hunted and if, you know, her

1009
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:30.059
time is so difficult that she's become sort of scary and violent

1010
00:42:30.059 --> 00:42:32.159
then why is she so keen to go back there?

1011
00:42:32.219 --> 00:42:33.420
Do you know what I mean?

1012
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:35.219
Like, it's just all a bit undercooked.

1013
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:37.679
And that's okay because that doesn't really matter.

1014
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:41.340
Do they want to send her to the Daystrom instrument?

1015
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:43.380
Day Strow Institute.

1016
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:45.420
No, because they want to send it.

1017
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:50.880
So they send it, it was some caregiving facility that they

1018
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:54.239
mentioned, but it's nothing that we've heard on special care

1019
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:54.840
centre.

1020
00:42:54.900 --> 00:42:56.820
Alvos Prime.

1021
00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:57.480
For God's sake.

1022
00:42:57.539 --> 00:42:57.900
Where's that?

1023
00:42:57.900 --> 00:42:58.559
I don't know.

1024
00:42:58.619 --> 00:43:00.840
Space Plant somewhere in space.

1025
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:06.780
But I do, I like the fact that Cisco and Odo and O'Brien. trying

1026
00:43:06.780 --> 00:43:07.500
to find a way around it.

1027
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.079
They're trying to find some kind of a loophole because Cisco's a

1028
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:10.679
family man, right?

1029
00:43:10.739 --> 00:43:12.539
He understands what this will mean to O'Brien.

1030
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:12.900
Yeah.

1031
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:14.159
Yeah.

1032
00:43:14.219 --> 00:43:19.800
And again, like, you know, I had seen this when I saw the ending

1033
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.340
it was familiar, even though I couldn't remember what it was as I

1034
00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:25.860
was sort of watching it through, I've definitely seen this in sort

1035
00:43:25.860 --> 00:43:27.420
of living memory.

1036
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:34.079
And I really, really like the scene where Odo just goes, fuck it.

1037
00:43:35.099 --> 00:43:36.480
Yes. the ship.

1038
00:43:36.539 --> 00:43:37.199
Yeah.

1039
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:38.099
Yeah.

1040
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.539
And every time he gets a moment of where he surprises you.

1041
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:43.559
Yeah, yeah.

1042
00:43:43.619 --> 00:43:46.679
But do you think it's informed by the scene earlier on where he

1043
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:50.460
sees Kira and Yoshi?

1044
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:52.559
that's the last time that we've seen him.

1045
00:43:52.619 --> 00:43:55.500
He's seen Kiran Yoshi and how much they love one another.

1046
00:43:55.619 --> 00:43:58.679
See, I think this is a bit too horrible as well, where she

1047
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:01.980
repeatedly throws herself into the force field.

1048
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:04.139
It's, it's, it's, everyone's real.

1049
00:44:04.139 --> 00:44:05.699
There's another great bit of stage, you know.

1050
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.880
Watch the force will go down, and then now she saw burst between

1051
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:09.239
them.

1052
00:44:09.300 --> 00:44:11.699
I don't know. there's some good direction in this.

1053
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:13.980
I think there's some there's some good staging.

1054
00:44:15.659 --> 00:44:18.300
Yeah, we can't keep sustaining.

1055
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:19.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1056
00:44:19.739 --> 00:44:27.239
Like, and so what, they just decide to leave her, but because

1057
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:31.440
she's being, uh, pursued by the feds or whatever, they have to

1058
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:33.599
send her back. should have been a line, right?

1059
00:44:33.659 --> 00:44:36.239
The reason why they, well, willing to take her back to the

1060
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:36.659
planet.

1061
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.539
Counsellor Troy has just been transferred to the special care

1062
00:44:39.539 --> 00:44:40.739
centre as the therapist.

1063
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:42.539
My God, get her back to the planet now.

1064
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.480
A fate was a great therapist.

1065
00:44:45.539 --> 00:44:46.320
She'd be awesome.

1066
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:51.059
She's a great therapist in Kursman Trek.

1067
00:44:51.059 --> 00:44:54.059
In the next generation.

1068
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:57.659
Saucy, Jets, it walks into the apartment and goes, wow, I can't

1069
00:44:57.659 --> 00:44:59.039
wait to get out of my uniform.

1070
00:44:59.099 --> 00:45:00.179
It's like, okay.

1071
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:05.880
There's one episode, you know, where they wake up in bed

1072
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:06.420
together.

1073
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:06.960
Yeah.

1074
00:45:07.019 --> 00:45:11.219
And wolf, wolf, nix the cover off her.

1075
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:13.860
He gets up and then pulls the cover and you just see her naked

1076
00:45:13.860 --> 00:45:15.119
legs going, ah.

1077
00:45:16.019 --> 00:45:18.119
She sleeps nude.

1078
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:19.380
Yeah good for her.

1079
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:21.119
I mean, look at her, why wouldn't she?

1080
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:21.480
Exactly.

1081
00:45:21.539 --> 00:45:23.159
Jesus Christ.

1082
00:45:23.219 --> 00:45:24.780
Oh, dear.

1083
00:45:24.780 --> 00:45:26.699
This is so cute.

1084
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:27.840
This is so funny.

1085
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:31.440
He's like, oh, I'm terrible.

1086
00:45:31.500 --> 00:45:32.820
I was so careless.

1087
00:45:33.659 --> 00:45:38.579
I quite like this too, because he was doing really well. and now

1088
00:45:38.579 --> 00:45:42.119
we have the reversal and now he feels like he's proved that he's a

1089
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:42.659
bad parent.

1090
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:47.579
And then we get the reversal again because Yoshi loved it all so

1091
00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:50.400
much and he's still going gong, gong, gong, gong, gong with the

1092
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.280
rattle and stuff, which I just think is terribly cute and it's

1093
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:56.880
wonderful that Warp's emotional arc is bound up in that.

1094
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:00.659
I like how melodramatic warf is, you know?

1095
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:04.079
Like literally all he's done is like the baby.

1096
00:46:04.139 --> 00:46:06.119
I'm so sorry, Jadzir.

1097
00:46:06.179 --> 00:46:07.440
I failed you as a father.

1098
00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:11.099
That's what I say, you know, when I burn the toast tomorrow.

1099
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:12.840
I failed you as a boyfriend.

1100
00:46:12.900 --> 00:46:13.920
I'm so sorry.

1101
00:46:15.539 --> 00:46:17.940
Yeah, see, I love all of this.

1102
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:21.000
I thought the acting here where they're making the choice.

1103
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:24.599
And we haven't mentioned Colomini in this.

1104
00:46:24.659 --> 00:46:25.800
We've mentioned Rosenchow.

1105
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:29.159
And I think it's easy to overlook him because he's always great.

1106
00:46:29.219 --> 00:46:30.480
Yeah.

1107
00:46:30.539 --> 00:46:33.000
No wonder he's gone off to do loads of movies.

1108
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:33.840
Well, that's right.

1109
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:36.539
But I also really love, like, there's something really great about

1110
00:46:36.539 --> 00:46:41.340
this too, where he just says to her, no, we should just surrender

1111
00:46:41.340 --> 00:46:43.019
her to the care, giving facility.

1112
00:46:43.139 --> 00:46:46.440
And then she realises, yeah, no, he's never going to have meant

1113
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:49.739
that and says, you're planning something and of course he is.

1114
00:46:50.340 --> 00:46:54.960
I like it when she says, I'm as stubborn as you are, Miles

1115
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:55.440
O'Brien.

1116
00:46:55.500 --> 00:46:56.760
Now tell me what's going on.

1117
00:46:56.820 --> 00:47:01.800
Look at the close-ups on them now as she works out what the plan

1118
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:02.159
is.

1119
00:47:02.219 --> 00:47:03.599
Hold on them as a couple.

1120
00:47:03.659 --> 00:47:04.800
I mean I always have been.

1121
00:47:04.860 --> 00:47:07.440
But the more time goes on, the more sold I am.

1122
00:47:07.500 --> 00:47:09.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1123
00:47:09.179 --> 00:47:11.579
Because like she works out.

1124
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:12.719
That's the other thing too.

1125
00:47:12.780 --> 00:47:15.420
She doesn't need the plan, explain to him because they're on the

1126
00:47:15.420 --> 00:47:15.960
same page.

1127
00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:17.880
She doesn't need to explain to her.

1128
00:47:17.940 --> 00:47:20.219
She doesn't need him to tell her that we're sending them back into

1129
00:47:20.219 --> 00:47:20.639
the bar.

1130
00:47:20.699 --> 00:47:22.380
She just puts her head down.

1131
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:24.360
She's so grief stricken.

1132
00:47:24.420 --> 00:47:28.920
Although I think the gut wrenchy moment in this episode is just

1133
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:32.760
before they let her go through the portal again and she goes, Mummy

1134
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:35.159
loves you, sweetie, and she chokes back a tear.

1135
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:36.360
Yeah, yeah.

1136
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:40.199
It should be so twee, and it's just so sensitive. because she's so

1137
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:40.380
good.

1138
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:41.460
It's just because she's great.

1139
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:42.599
Yeah.

1140
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:45.659
Any other actress and it might have bombed.

1141
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:47.880
But we've got Rosalind.

1142
00:47:47.940 --> 00:47:48.539
Yeah, yeah.

1143
00:47:48.539 --> 00:47:51.840
O'Brien is so obviously going to knock out this guy now.

1144
00:47:51.900 --> 00:47:54.480
I mean, how stupid are these Bajoran goals?

1145
00:47:54.539 --> 00:47:57.059
The security guy as well, forgotten sake.

1146
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:59.400
Odo told me to move her to this place, huh?

1147
00:47:59.460 --> 00:48:00.239
Oh, really?

1148
00:48:00.300 --> 00:48:02.219
I'll turn my back on you and check.

1149
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:02.760
Okay.

1150
00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:04.440
Oh no, I've been knocked out.

1151
00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:05.820
For God's sakes.

1152
00:48:07.980 --> 00:48:12.780
Oh, yeah, I mean, I love the fact that for a 2nd because this is

1153
00:48:12.780 --> 00:48:14.699
the ad break, isn't it, when Odo catches them.

1154
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:15.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1155
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:16.920
It cuts to an outbreak.

1156
00:48:16.980 --> 00:48:19.260
So they're trying to suggest this is a moment of tension.

1157
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:20.460
It's not really.

1158
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.639
And then I love the fact that they just dismiss that completely

1159
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:25.860
and just turn it into the sweetest.

1160
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:26.519
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1161
00:48:26.579 --> 00:48:29.280
In fact, it's great because Rosalind does just the most superb

1162
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.800
reaction to being caught, but we close...

1163
00:48:31.860 --> 00:48:32.760
She kisses him.

1164
00:48:32.820 --> 00:48:34.139
Oh, yeah, no, that.

1165
00:48:35.219 --> 00:48:35.880
Kiss is all good.

1166
00:48:35.940 --> 00:48:37.860
And is there a reference?

1167
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:41.219
Someone suggested there's a reference to captive pursued that

1168
00:48:41.219 --> 00:48:46.079
because Odo says, I thought that if anyone could smuggle someone

1169
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:47.940
off this station unprotected.

1170
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:49.260
Yeah, yeah, it would be you.

1171
00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:51.059
Don't you remember?

1172
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:52.199
They play out.

1173
00:48:52.260 --> 00:48:54.900
This scene in Captain Pursuit, where Odo's supposed to capture

1174
00:48:54.900 --> 00:48:55.500
Tosk.

1175
00:48:55.619 --> 00:48:59.579
And then Brian Cisco goes, oh, take your time, principal, you

1176
00:48:59.579 --> 00:48:59.820
know.

1177
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:02.940
And he very slowly goes towards the turbo lift.

1178
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:04.500
But this is better.

1179
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:05.400
This is better.

1180
00:49:05.460 --> 00:49:07.199
This is bound up in the character.

1181
00:49:07.260 --> 00:49:08.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1182
00:49:08.460 --> 00:49:11.460
But I do think that I do think that there is something about him

1183
00:49:11.460 --> 00:49:14.880
and Kira in that previous scene that informs his decision in this

1184
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:15.239
scene.

1185
00:49:15.300 --> 00:49:18.960
And I do love how she kisses him that, where he turns where

1186
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:21.900
O'Brien turns to say something and he says, yeah, just go.

1187
00:49:22.380 --> 00:49:25.739
I don't want to hear your platitudes.

1188
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:26.519
My God.

1189
00:49:26.579 --> 00:49:28.860
You know it'll both be agonising for the 2 of us.

1190
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:29.820
That was really good.

1191
00:49:29.940 --> 00:49:31.619
I thought that was probably just go.

1192
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:33.179
That's a great scene.

1193
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:34.559
It's why I said to you before, though.

1194
00:49:34.619 --> 00:49:37.559
I said to you that at this point the characters are practically

1195
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:38.579
self-perpetuated.

1196
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:39.239
Yeah, yeah.

1197
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.119
So it doesn't matter how shit the premise is.

1198
00:49:42.179 --> 00:49:45.420
You can still drive things out of characters with a really bad

1199
00:49:45.420 --> 00:49:46.139
premise.

1200
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:46.980
Yeah, yeah.

1201
00:49:46.980 --> 00:49:47.760
And they're doing that here.

1202
00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:48.480
I think so.

1203
00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:51.480
That's it.

1204
00:49:51.539 --> 00:49:52.500
Take your dolly.

1205
00:49:52.739 --> 00:49:55.440
But I love how she's prepared.

1206
00:49:55.500 --> 00:49:56.760
Like, this is her giving her up.

1207
00:49:56.820 --> 00:49:57.719
It's not the accident.

1208
00:49:57.780 --> 00:50:02.940
It's like he's a blanket, he's a knife, he's loopy, you know, like

1209
00:50:02.940 --> 00:50:04.380
I'm going to make sure that you're okay.

1210
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:05.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1211
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:06.599
Yeah, yeah, she gives her knife.

1212
00:50:06.780 --> 00:50:10.079
Make sure you go straight for the hole, all right?

1213
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.960
Rolls for a shower, Colomini looking at this script.

1214
00:50:16.019 --> 00:50:17.699
Oh, boy, we sold some shit.

1215
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:18.480
In our time.

1216
00:50:18.539 --> 00:50:19.980
But they really kill it?

1217
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:21.059
Like, they're so good.

1218
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:25.380
And again, like, I, like, it was that moment where she says

1219
00:50:25.380 --> 00:50:26.340
where's my baby?

1220
00:50:26.340 --> 00:50:27.780
Or where's our baby?

1221
00:50:27.780 --> 00:50:31.260
And, you know, in when we come back from the break, which I think

1222
00:50:31.260 --> 00:50:31.679
was great.

1223
00:50:31.739 --> 00:50:36.659
And then here, like where she says, this is really heart

1224
00:50:36.659 --> 00:50:37.320
wrenching.

1225
00:50:37.380 --> 00:50:39.480
Because they they really genuine.

1226
00:50:39.539 --> 00:50:40.440
I love...

1227
00:50:40.500 --> 00:50:43.079
I love the tension of O'Brien picking up the weapon, right?

1228
00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:46.380
As Molly's younger Molly's going towards the porcelain.

1229
00:50:46.380 --> 00:50:47.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1230
00:50:47.579 --> 00:50:48.599
Don't switch it off.

1231
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:50.039
Don't switch it off.

1232
00:50:50.099 --> 00:50:54.000
And the 2 mollies will be stuck together on the planet at the end

1233
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:54.420
of time.

1234
00:50:54.539 --> 00:50:56.400
Oh how wonderful.

1235
00:50:56.519 --> 00:51:00.719
Look at look at like just that reaction from from Keiko watching

1236
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:02.519
him hugging her.

1237
00:51:02.579 --> 00:51:07.320
Like she's, yeah, she's kind of too good for this show, really.

1238
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:11.639
Do you get what I mean about hanging with these people?

1239
00:51:11.699 --> 00:51:13.559
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I get it.

1240
00:51:13.619 --> 00:51:14.280
They're just great.

1241
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:15.960
That's why I really...

1242
00:51:16.019 --> 00:51:16.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1243
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:18.539
Oh, and the stars.

1244
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:20.880
The star stars.

1245
00:51:20.940 --> 00:51:23.760
The wonder in her face there as well in her eyes.

1246
00:51:23.820 --> 00:51:25.139
The stars are where you live.

1247
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:26.159
They're your home.

1248
00:51:26.219 --> 00:51:29.760
And so I'll always remember you when I look at them.

1249
00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:33.659
And so she kind of now knows a little bit about how much that

1250
00:51:33.659 --> 00:51:36.659
little girl loved Molly loves you.

1251
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:38.940
Like she says, Molly loves you.

1252
00:51:38.940 --> 00:51:44.760
And then goes and then sees Molly because I don't think she

1253
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:47.099
decides because...

1254
00:51:47.579 --> 00:51:49.559
Oh, look, oh, Rosalind.

1255
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:54.420
Keiko is Miles puts his arms around her and she just loses herself

1256
00:51:54.420 --> 00:51:55.260
in his chair.

1257
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:57.539
She's so overcome with grief.

1258
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:03.179
Like, I keep putting myself in the mind of these people that want

1259
00:52:03.179 --> 00:52:04.739
war and battle and things like this.

1260
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.800
Watching this going, what's happening to this week?

1261
00:52:07.860 --> 00:52:11.519
And there's you and me on the Virgin Tears going, oh, this is

1262
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:11.880
amazing.

1263
00:52:11.940 --> 00:52:14.219
But I love this.

1264
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:17.340
Like, I really love this and I do think it is spoiled by the scene

1265
00:52:17.340 --> 00:52:19.440
at the end because it tells the story.

1266
00:52:19.500 --> 00:52:21.539
She comes across the little girl.

1267
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:25.559
She knows that it's Molly because she sees that they're wearing

1268
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:32.699
the same bracelet and she remembers the portal from before.

1269
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:34.199
And so she and she...

1270
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:34.920
I just love the remote.

1271
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:36.780
Molly Holme.

1272
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:37.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1273
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:40.440
They use it 3 or 4 times throughout the episode and here's the

1274
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:40.800
clincher.

1275
00:52:40.860 --> 00:52:42.960
And she goes, I want my mummy and daddy.

1276
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.480
And like, Molly realised mummy and daddy are just there.

1277
00:52:45.539 --> 00:52:46.380
They're through there.

1278
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:49.800
Go. And like, I think she...

1279
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:50.579
Brian, no.

1280
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:51.719
But either, yeah.

1281
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:54.059
Don't took the weapon down.

1282
00:52:55.500 --> 00:52:57.539
I'm going to go quicker.

1283
00:52:57.599 --> 00:52:58.619
Molly's quicker.

1284
00:52:58.619 --> 00:52:59.940
What if Molly walks true?

1285
00:52:59.940 --> 00:53:01.320
and he shot her.

1286
00:53:01.380 --> 00:53:08.639
I was like, you are sick. she gives her loopy as well, which I

1287
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:09.539
just think is wonderful.

1288
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:11.159
And I think...

1289
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:13.860
I mean, it is, it is version on tweet now, isn't it?

1290
00:53:13.860 --> 00:53:14.460
A little bit.

1291
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:17.460
Yeah, yeah, but I reckon that they've earned that.

1292
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:20.400
And, you know, like, it's not very sentimental because you've got

1293
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:24.900
a kid there who can't do any sentiment, you know, and then, and

1294
00:53:24.900 --> 00:53:25.920
then she disappears.

1295
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:30.000
And I think, Mark went, but she'll cease to exist.

1296
00:53:30.059 --> 00:53:31.019
I went, well done.

1297
00:53:31.860 --> 00:53:34.500
We did say that earlier in the episode.

1298
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:37.500
But she doesn't cease to exist because that's her there.

1299
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:38.699
And when...

1300
00:53:38.699 --> 00:53:39.719
So do you think you should end here?

1301
00:53:39.780 --> 00:53:41.219
Just here, with them.

1302
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:41.639
I think so.

1303
00:53:41.699 --> 00:53:42.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1304
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:46.380
Although you do need the B plot to be finished, don't you?

1305
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:48.420
And we haven't had the B plot ending.

1306
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:51.179
So we've got that scene and we couldn't possibly end with this

1307
00:53:51.179 --> 00:53:56.039
because although the B plot is really great, it's a comedy ending

1308
00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:58.980
but I do think we could have just ended with that.

1309
00:54:00.539 --> 00:54:04.860
I think I've developed a huge kink for DS9 B plots, you know.

1310
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:06.119
I just think they're so fun.

1311
00:54:06.179 --> 00:54:07.320
Yeah, yeah.

1312
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:09.719
They're usually just something absurd happening on the station.

1313
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:15.900
You know, the no J consulting them.

1314
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:16.920
That's awesome.

1315
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:19.019
The great material continuum.

1316
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:20.340
That's awesome.

1317
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:21.840
Of holding the baby.

1318
00:54:21.900 --> 00:54:23.219
I mean, they're just great.

1319
00:54:23.699 --> 00:54:26.280
Frequently better than the main episode.

1320
00:54:26.820 --> 00:54:33.000
Well, I think in retrospect, this is the more important plot, isn't

1321
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:33.239
it?

1322
00:54:33.300 --> 00:54:36.179
Because it feeds into next week after next.

1323
00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:41.159
Do you get lots of fabulous Terry being awesome?

1324
00:54:42.780 --> 00:54:45.300
He kept shaking his rattle.

1325
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:47.099
Gung, gung, gung.

1326
00:54:47.099 --> 00:54:48.599
That is between Yoshi and me.

1327
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:51.960
That's so cute.

1328
00:54:52.019 --> 00:54:53.460
So normal.

1329
00:54:53.579 --> 00:54:55.500
Oh boy, oh boy.

1330
00:54:57.179 --> 00:55:01.079
Or maybe you're not as bad with children as you thought, or as you

1331
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:01.619
thought.

1332
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:02.579
There we go.

1333
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:03.539
I mean, it calls around now.

1334
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:05.219
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. pretty good.

1335
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.139
And like this is cheesy as well.

1336
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:08.159
Do you know what I mean?

1337
00:55:08.219 --> 00:55:11.280
Like this is super cheesy, but like whatever. iPhone, I think

1338
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:14.460
we've come to the conclusion that we don't mind about DS9 cheese.

1339
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:18.480
No, no, I don't mind cheese generally. some crackers and serve it

1340
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:19.500
up. absolutely.

1341
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:23.760
And just, you know, she's so beautiful and he's so charming.

1342
00:55:23.820 --> 00:55:24.659
Look at him.

1343
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:26.699
Michael, he is adorable.

1344
00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:28.440
No, it's almost a sad.

1345
00:55:28.500 --> 00:55:29.760
I mean, I'm glad we got Israel.

1346
00:55:29.820 --> 00:55:30.360
I love history.

1347
00:55:30.420 --> 00:55:31.559
Yeah, yeah, I love history too.

1348
00:55:31.619 --> 00:55:33.000
But yes, I am.

1349
00:55:33.059 --> 00:55:34.500
I am sad that she didn't see through the show.

1350
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:38.940
Yeah, it gives us interesting things to do and Ezra is great.

1351
00:55:39.059 --> 00:55:40.619
Here we go. tying up everything.

1352
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:42.900
I'm sure we can make Starfleet understand what we did.

1353
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:44.880
Yeah, yeah, there'll be an inquiry, but you know what, those are

1354
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:45.059
like.

1355
00:55:45.059 --> 00:55:46.800
Investigations will be here soon.

1356
00:55:46.860 --> 00:55:47.760
That's right.

1357
00:55:47.820 --> 00:55:50.159
Well, I see her soon, mommy.

1358
00:55:50.579 --> 00:55:55.199
This scene needs to happen because it establishes that the Molly

1359
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.260
that we saw disappear isn't gone because she'll be back.

1360
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:02.579
Do you think just the exposition needs to be cut out?

1361
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:03.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1362
00:56:03.300 --> 00:56:06.780
I wonder if she realised that little girl she was looking at was

1363
00:56:06.780 --> 00:56:11.340
herself. just like, yes, she did realise that because we saw that

1364
00:56:11.460 --> 00:56:13.679
because of the bracelet You know what I mean?

1365
00:56:13.739 --> 00:56:18.059
I hope she realised, you know, in fact, she was going home.

1366
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:19.019
Oh my god, really?

1367
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:23.519
And that, like, I think that is super weird because that, like, and

1368
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:26.159
their reaction, Do you know what I mean?

1369
00:56:26.219 --> 00:56:30.780
As if there is something of that Molly's experiences.

1370
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.659
Do you know, like, because you have Julian doing that comedy line

1371
00:56:33.659 --> 00:56:37.559
about her anthropomorphising the landscape, as if she's learned to

1372
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:40.380
live in the landscape, and now when Molly draws that landscape

1373
00:56:40.380 --> 00:56:44.820
that's there, as if that Molly isn't really gone, as if her

1374
00:56:44.820 --> 00:56:47.159
experiences are somehow there somewhere.

1375
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:51.900
Now, this is the last torture O'Brien episode.

1376
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:53.340
There isn't one in series seven.

1377
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:57.239
There's not too much going on for torture O'Brien and Rando Plot

1378
00:56:57.239 --> 00:56:57.780
like this.

1379
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:02.400
I am very pleased at the end of the last, we're going to do mean

1380
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:03.659
things to O'Brien episode.

1381
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:08.219
It's him looking at his family, utterly contented.

1382
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:11.219
That's a lovely sort of parting shot on O'Brien.

1383
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:13.679
Do you know, there is one thing I realise watching this with you

1384
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:17.400
today is like this feeds into our favourite thing about Deep Space

1385
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:19.320
9, the soap opera of it.

1386
00:57:19.380 --> 00:57:23.760
So basically the molly plot is it's a bit like in a soap opera

1387
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:28.500
where, you know, an actor goes off for it for 10 years and then

1388
00:57:28.500 --> 00:57:29.639
decide to bring the character back.

1389
00:57:29.699 --> 00:57:33.239
The daughter comes back, the long lost daughter, but it's a new

1390
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:36.900
actor playing it 10 years later. and how the hell do we deal with

1391
00:57:36.900 --> 00:57:37.139
them?

1392
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:37.679
you know.

1393
00:57:37.739 --> 00:57:39.300
They're doing that in the A-plot.

1394
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:41.699
And then obviously the B plot is pure soap plot.

1395
00:57:41.699 --> 00:57:42.119
Yeah, absolutely.

1396
00:57:42.179 --> 00:57:44.519
Someone, all, soap opera strokes sitcom.

1397
00:57:44.579 --> 00:57:45.300
Yeah, yeah, you know?

1398
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:46.019
Yeah, absolutely.

1399
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:47.280
Wolf holding the baby.

1400
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:51.900
But as a result, we get all the melodrama that we're just there

1401
00:57:51.900 --> 00:57:52.199
for it.

1402
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:57.780
And like you said, like every character gets something to do, every

1403
00:57:57.780 --> 00:58:00.420
character does something consistent with what they're like as a

1404
00:58:00.420 --> 00:58:00.840
character.

1405
00:58:00.900 --> 00:58:05.099
Um, you know, obviously that's how Quark's going to react.

1406
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.199
Obviously that's how Odo's going to react.

1407
00:58:07.260 --> 00:58:08.400
All of that stuff is really good.

1408
00:58:08.460 --> 00:58:10.679
We get to spend time with the characters.

1409
00:58:10.739 --> 00:58:13.860
It's a dumb Star Trek plot that they is the sort of thing that you

1410
00:58:13.860 --> 00:58:15.659
would make fun of in a lower decks episode.

1411
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:19.500
You know, you can't possibly go, go on a picnic without someone

1412
00:58:19.500 --> 00:58:22.139
falling into an Iconian time portal.

1413
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:25.920
But it was pretty enjoyable.

1414
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:28.800
Yeah, I really thought this was going to be adult.

1415
00:58:28.860 --> 00:58:31.679
I really thought we were going to rip this apart.

1416
00:58:31.739 --> 00:58:36.360
And instead we were reminded just why we love being with the

1417
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:37.320
characters. exactly right.

1418
00:58:37.380 --> 00:58:38.039
Exactly right.

1419
00:58:38.099 --> 00:58:39.360
Go speak young, yeah.

1420
00:58:45.420 --> 00:58:48.599
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

1421
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:50.519
work out where we're going next.

1422
00:58:50.579 --> 00:58:57.000
We manage to find considerable enjoyment in an episode that is not

1423
00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:58.380
very highly regarded.

1424
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:01.440
And so I'm going to see if we can do the same thing again, and so

1425
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:04.380
we're going to watch an episode of Enterprise.

1426
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:08.940
Oh, what is your obsession with choosing episodes of Enterprise?

1427
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:14.760
I said I had a weird king to do a 9 sublaws.

1428
00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:19.079
You have got a more disturbing kink for choosing enterprises.

1429
00:59:19.139 --> 00:59:20.099
The clothes.

1430
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:23.099
Is this something you particularly fancy in that show?

1431
00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:27.420
Well, yeah, obviously, because trip's really hard.

1432
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:32.039
But also there's a chance of stuff that I haven't seen before and

1433
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:35.460
stuff that I haven't got an opinion about yet and all of that is

1434
00:59:35.460 --> 00:59:36.780
kind of. you say trip?

1435
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:39.840
No, you know, the pilot.

1436
00:59:39.900 --> 00:59:40.380
What's his name?

1437
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:41.400
I never remember his name.

1438
00:59:41.460 --> 00:59:42.539
Mayweather, yeah.

1439
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:43.199
Who cares?

1440
00:59:43.260 --> 00:59:43.860
He's so pretty.

1441
00:59:43.980 --> 00:59:44.880
He's barely in it, though.

1442
00:59:44.940 --> 00:59:46.619
I know, to be honest.

1443
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:49.440
If he gets a lion, I...

1444
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:51.239
That's a cry out in triumph.

1445
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:53.940
All right.

1446
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:54.480
Okay.

1447
00:59:54.539 --> 00:59:58.559
So I'm going to roll it, get ready for an episode title that you

1448
00:59:58.559 --> 00:59:59.519
don't recognise.

1449
00:59:59.880 --> 01:00:01.500
I don't know.

1450
01:00:01.619 --> 01:00:04.500
I think I'm a bit more clued up than you on Enterprise.

1451
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:05.340
Come on, let's do it.

1452
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:06.179
Okay.

1453
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:10.500
So your random Star Trek Enterprise episode is The Crossing.

1454
01:00:10.500 --> 01:00:13.739
Season two, episode 18.

1455
01:00:14.460 --> 01:00:17.039
What a boring title.

1456
01:00:17.099 --> 01:00:19.619
The crossing. think I know what that is.

1457
01:00:19.980 --> 01:00:21.480
I think.

1458
01:00:21.659 --> 01:00:26.219
Is it one where they all have to go and hang out in the nacelles

1459
01:00:26.219 --> 01:00:29.280
or some bullshit because they're going through a space thing?

1460
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:31.199
Or did I dream that?

1461
01:00:31.260 --> 01:00:34.019
That sounds like every episode of Enterprise to me.

1462
01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:37.320
I don't want to do the crossing.

1463
01:00:37.380 --> 01:00:39.480
Okay, we won't do the crossing.

1464
01:00:39.539 --> 01:00:40.739
Well, pick another one.

1465
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:42.900
So boring.

1466
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:45.000
I can't even bother to look up what it's about.

1467
01:00:45.059 --> 01:00:45.960
Okay.

1468
01:00:46.860 --> 01:00:49.260
Oh, this sounds very exciting.

1469
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:52.980
Season two, episode three, minefield.

1470
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:56.699
That might be the most generic title imaginable.

1471
01:00:56.760 --> 01:01:00.239
This is quite good.

1472
01:01:00.300 --> 01:01:03.179
I seem to remember.

1473
01:01:03.420 --> 01:01:09.000
Um, there's 2 episodes back to back and one of them, the

1474
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:13.619
enterprise gets damaged and one of them is in a space, an

1475
01:01:13.619 --> 01:01:18.000
automated space station that obviously turns bad that's repairing

1476
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:18.780
it.

1477
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:21.119
And they're both fairly good.

1478
01:01:21.179 --> 01:01:24.420
I think this is the one where the enterprise gets damaged, but I

1479
01:01:24.420 --> 01:01:28.019
can't really remember much about it, but I do remember it's a sort

1480
01:01:28.019 --> 01:01:30.480
of, it's not a two-parter, but it's too linked episodes.

1481
01:01:30.539 --> 01:01:31.679
Okay, that's fun.

1482
01:01:31.739 --> 01:01:32.219
That's fun.

1483
01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:33.119
What do you think?

1484
01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:34.320
exploring.

1485
01:01:34.380 --> 01:01:36.719
Well, we have done a lot of free and four, haven't we?

1486
01:01:36.780 --> 01:01:39.300
You know, we can't keep going to where all the gold is.

1487
01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:40.679
No, no, no.

1488
01:01:40.739 --> 01:01:43.860
I'm happy to try too and sort of early too and see what they're

1489
01:01:43.860 --> 01:01:46.380
trying to do when they restart the show for a 2nd year.

1490
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:47.699
All right, I'm happy for that.

1491
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:48.539
Minefield then.

1492
01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:52.559
Let's dive balls deep into Braga and Burman.

1493
01:01:52.619 --> 01:01:54.179
Oh my god, please no.

1494
01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:07.860
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1495
01:02:07.860 --> 01:02:09.239
and Nathan Bottomley.

1496
01:02:09.300 --> 01:02:13.019
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1497
01:02:13.019 --> 01:02:16.380
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1498
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:20.519
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed

1499
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:21.840
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1500
01:02:21.900 --> 01:02:26.460
This episode was recorded on the 4th of February 2025 and released

1501
01:02:26.460 --> 01:02:28.019
on the 7th of February.

1502
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:32.820
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Enterprise, minefield.

1503
01:02:49.139 --> 01:02:51.119
I'll have to do.

1504
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:55.739
Only on this podcast.

1505
01:02:57.539 --> 01:03:01.739
All the others are heterosexuals, that's why.

1506
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:03.780
They're either women or heterosexuals.

1507
01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:07.139
I can't think of another gay Star Trek podcast anywhere.

1508
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:08.039
Isn't that funny?

1509
01:03:08.099 --> 01:03:09.059
Isn't that funny?

1510
01:03:09.300 --> 01:03:12.179
Whereas all the Doctor Who ones are gay.

1511
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:12.960
No, not really.

1512
01:03:13.019 --> 01:03:17.340
Yeah, but then Doctor Who, it's like it's like the reverse, isn't

1513
01:03:17.340 --> 01:03:17.579
it?

1514
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:23.579
Doctor Who... sort of pushed away both heterosexuality and

1515
01:03:23.579 --> 01:03:25.739
homosexuality for about 26 years.

1516
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:26.519
Yeah.

1517
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:31.320
Um, so that, I think that brought in, that made Gaitsville welcome

1518
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:35.039
where Star Trek pushed heterosexuality for 30 years.

1519
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:39.000
Um, and now everyone's, they're all okay.

1520
01:03:39.059 --> 01:03:40.739
Everyone will abold, you know.

1521
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:41.820
What's going on?

1522
01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:42.960
We saw section 31.

1523
01:03:43.139 --> 01:03:47.699
There was Virgil, there was that gay Irish robot, Vulcan being

1524
01:03:47.699 --> 01:03:49.440
piloted by a tiny worm.

1525
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:53.280
Michael Mill said something, you know, the other day on the Frida

1526
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:56.280
Carlo episode I did of the book club, which really struck a chord

1527
01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:56.639
with me.

1528
01:03:56.699 --> 01:04:04.199
Um, when he said that, you know, if if all you're presented with

1529
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:08.460
is your, how you live your life.

1530
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:11.760
So if you're straight and all you're presented with is head

1531
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:18.659
straight people, media, then when, sorry, inclusivity starts to

1532
01:04:18.659 --> 01:04:21.719
come in, it could start to feel like oppression.

1533
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:26.280
Oh, yeah. you know, and I think that's what happens with Star Trek

1534
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:26.460
right?

1535
01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:27.239
Oh, for sure.

1536
01:04:27.300 --> 01:04:29.880
It's just like, why am I even having to think about you?

1537
01:04:29.940 --> 01:04:32.519
Why am I even having to kind of pay any attention to your

1538
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:33.059
organisation?

1539
01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:34.019
You have to for all those years?

1540
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:35.219
Yeah, that's right.

1541
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:37.380
And now we have to see this on our television.

1542
01:04:37.500 --> 01:04:39.059
Like, I think it's absolutely that.

1543
01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:43.440
And, you know, like we had to read ourselves into the media that

1544
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:44.039
we were watching.

1545
01:04:44.099 --> 01:04:45.840
Do you know what I mean?

1546
01:04:45.900 --> 01:04:49.679
We were the intendant or we were, you know, plain simple Garak or

1547
01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:54.840
whatever because the show wasn't about us or people like us at

1548
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:55.139
all.

1549
01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:57.780
And then discovery comes along and it is.

1550
01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:02.159
I loved Ira Bear calling himself to task in what you leave behind

1551
01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:04.199
when they talk about Karak.

1552
01:05:04.260 --> 01:05:08.639
And they go, you know, gay representation, tick, and he goes, what

1553
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:09.179
are you doing?

1554
01:05:09.420 --> 01:05:13.320
He goes scribble that out and put a cross in that box.

1555
01:05:13.380 --> 01:05:16.139
He goes, I'm ashamed that we didn't push that.

1556
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:19.500
He goes, I wasn't strong enough to stand up to the studio.

1557
01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:20.699
He goes, and I should have been.

1558
01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:21.420
Yeah.

1559
01:05:21.420 --> 01:05:26.219
Yeah, well, and now, you know, now it's much gayer, I think.

1560
01:05:26.460 --> 01:05:28.440
What's that?

1561
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:31.800
Garak and Bashir at it in Lower Dex?

1562
01:05:31.860 --> 01:05:37.079
So the 2nd last episode of Lower Decks, they're travelling in a

1563
01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:42.300
version of the NXO one from a different reality and they're

1564
01:05:42.300 --> 01:05:43.980
travelling from reality to reality.

1565
01:05:44.099 --> 01:05:47.460
And that episode of the NXO one is full of Harry Kim's, for

1566
01:05:47.460 --> 01:05:48.960
instance, from different dimensions.

1567
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:54.000
Only one of whom is a lieutenant and the other.

1568
01:05:56.159 --> 01:06:00.360
The lieutenant ends up being the villain of the episode.

1569
01:06:00.420 --> 01:06:09.000
But on that episode, they have, they have, um, Sid playing the 2nd

1570
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:15.000
emergency medical holographic, from the 2nd EMA, from Dr. and he

1571
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:16.739
is married to Garak.

1572
01:06:16.860 --> 01:06:18.000
Oh, yes.

1573
01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:20.039
From different realities.

1574
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:22.199
They're married.

1575
01:06:22.619 --> 01:06:24.239
Wonderful.

1576
01:06:24.300 --> 01:06:27.059
Well, I'm glad we got there in the end, even if it wasn't.

1577
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:29.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1578
01:06:29.460 --> 01:06:31.199
Is it Sid playing it?

1579
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:31.739
And Andrew.

1580
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:33.539
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1581
01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:34.920
Yes, yeah.

1582
01:06:34.980 --> 01:06:37.800
And that's got, I mean, Blaylock in it, that episode.

1583
01:06:37.860 --> 01:06:39.360
Like, it's got everyone in it.

1584
01:06:39.420 --> 01:06:40.139
It's pretty great.

1585
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:46.739
And it's, you watch, watch their scenes in like 6 and 7, um, Sid

1586
01:06:46.739 --> 01:06:48.059
and Andrew.

1587
01:06:48.179 --> 01:06:50.699
And they do play like there's something there.

1588
01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:52.199
Like they do, they just do.

1589
01:06:52.260 --> 01:06:54.960
Oh no, it's written as a friendship, but they play it.

1590
01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:58.199
Like the last scene in what you leave behind where he's comforting

1591
01:06:58.199 --> 01:06:58.500
him.

1592
01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:01.679
He's got his arms around him when all the Kardashians are dead.

1593
01:07:01.739 --> 01:07:04.619
That's, that's not like a friendship.

1594
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:05.699
There's something more there.

1595
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:06.719
But yeah, you're right.

1596
01:07:06.780 --> 01:07:07.500
I'm reading into it.

1597
01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:11.280
So, yeah, it's not exactly what we have because it's not there, but

1598
01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:12.719
you know, now it is there.

1599
01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:13.500
Now we get to see it.

1600
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:16.440
I mean, that scene between Bashir and O'Brien.

1601
01:07:16.500 --> 01:07:18.300
I still don't know what that was all about.

1602
01:07:18.659 --> 01:07:23.820
Well, I say, I love Ezri so much, but I like you a bit more.

1603
01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:25.679
Yeah.

1604
01:07:25.739 --> 01:07:29.579
It's a little bit of a worry that, I think, because it is kind of

1605
01:07:29.579 --> 01:07:35.099
like that sort of, you know, because relationships between men, are

1606
01:07:35.099 --> 01:07:38.039
more important than relationships between men and women, you know

1607
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:42.059
like even though we're stray, our sexual relationships are less

1608
01:07:42.059 --> 01:07:43.920
important because they have women in them.

1609
01:07:43.980 --> 01:07:44.820
I don't know.

1610
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:45.659
I don't know.

1611
01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:48.480
You know, you're going to fancy anyone on DS9, it wouldn't be

1612
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:49.260
O'Brien, would it?

1613
01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:50.820
That might be Bashir though.

1614
01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:53.280
No, but it's Bashir doing the fancying.

1615
01:07:53.340 --> 01:07:54.360
Yeah, that's fair.

1616
01:07:54.420 --> 01:07:55.980
Yeah, Cisco, surely.

1617
01:07:56.099 --> 01:08:01.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would be Cisco, but Julian...

1618
01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:04.199
Please keep all this in the tag.

1619
01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:10.079
Come on to Cisco.

1620
01:08:10.139 --> 01:08:10.980
Who's that under your desk?

1621
01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:12.239
It's Ensign Ford.

1622
01:08:13.019 --> 01:08:16.319
He's just, he's calming on the floor.

1623
01:08:16.380 --> 01:08:20.100
Yeah, he's just brought a pad round for me design.

1624
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:22.439
Oh boy.

1625
01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:24.119
Good thing I wasn't writing it.