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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back at my first love.

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It's Star Trek the Next Generation, and it is very early on in its

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imperial phase with series 3, episode 4, who watches the watches.

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In fact, I think you said last time that you thought that this was

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the 1st episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation, to actually

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properly get it right.

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How did you find it this time round?

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Well, you know what, Nathan?

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Untitled Star Trek project has enjoyed a life of fine critique and

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conversation, and now you want me to sabotage that achievement, to

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take this podcast into the realms of fear and superstition and

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chaos.

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No.

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I will not do that.

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I love this episode and so much so that I can remember learning

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that ridiculous speech when I was like 13 years old or whatever I

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was.

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I think this may be the tipping point.

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I think this is the point where I think we've had a couple of good

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episodes already, one, 2, and 3 of season three.

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Yeah, but I think this might be the 1st episode of Star Trek and

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the Next Generation that gets everything right, absolutely

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everything right.

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And it's not the last time this season as well.

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So I think we're absolutely headed.

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We on the up, and this is, you know, this is quite an ascent they

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climb here.

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I mean, I think this is an absolutely remarkable episode.

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Like, I like Darmok Moore, I think, because it's higher concept

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and because of its focus on storytelling and maybe that

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relationship between Picard and Dathon is really very good.

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Darwok is more unconventional than this, isn't it?

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Yeah, that's right It really is unique.

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Whereas we do this a couple more times, don't we?

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Like, this is sort of like a go to a planet.

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The prime directive. you know, are we spoiling the development of

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these people?

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I think we may have already done this a couple of times already in

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its generations run.

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But I think that this does it incredibly well.

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And I think there's 2 reasons for that.

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One is the stroke of genius of making them proto-Vulcans.

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Now, whatever that means about how humanoids evolve in the galaxy

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or whatever, what it means is that visa are a bronze age people

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who are free of beliefs about the supernatural.

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And that's not a thing that we had on Earth, that is a new thing.

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But in Star Trek.

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We've often had the crew arrive and fall foul of some local

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religious group who will sacrifice them or wants to cause them

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harm in order to appease their gods or whatever.

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And here what happens is they take people who lack that and

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introduce that to them.

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And so they go from just ordinary people to Star Trek primitive

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people that we've seen over and over again.

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And so that becomes the problem, that they've introduced.

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And I think that's genius.

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I think when Lico starts to kind of say the gods must want us to

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do this, the Picard wants us to do this.

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The Picard will be angry at us. you know we need to find ways of

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appeasing the Picard.

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He's just behaving like a standard Star Trek primitive.

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And he wasn't like that at the beginning of the episode.

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But what I really like is he's not a bad man, he's just reacting

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to the circumstances that he's found himself in.

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He's woken up in heaven and for his misty-eyed vision, the Picard

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appeared and brought him back to life.

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Like it's reasonable.

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What he's thinking is happening is reasonable.

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That's not the usual approach in Star Trek either.

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Usually the religious zealots are nutcases, you know, that we're

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going, oh, please.

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That's exactly right.

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They're responding reasonably to new information.

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And because you get Neuria, who is the leader of the group

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unbelievably great.

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The performance is just tremendous. so good And she agrees.

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She agrees that there's evidence for what Lico has experienced and

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stuff.

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So that's the one genius thing.

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And then the other genius thing, I think, is the way that this

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foreground human progress, and that's the central tenet of Star

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Trek, is that we get better, right?

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And so this episode is about how we get better.

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And so those scenes on the Enterprise, which are a lot like the

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scenes in 1st contact with Picard and Lily, I think, where Picard

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talks to Nuria about making hearts and making bows and improving

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and explains the difference between her and him on the basis that

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as time progresses, as history progresses, human beings get

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better.

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Now, we doubt that, that's probably not really what's happening.

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Certainly doesn't seem like that at the moment.

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But that's.

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Will you please look out the window, right?

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But that's Star Trek, and it's that that I love about Star Trek.

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And this, you know, that's what's in peril here is the march of

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progress.

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And perhaps thirdly, it's that religion is one of the things that

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stands in the way of that progress.

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And I think that's a really, really bold thing for an American TV

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program.

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I was going to say, how bold for the Americans to put out an anti

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rich.

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And that's very clearly what it is.

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There's another thing as well that I think really marks this out

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is that we've done some of these scenes before.

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You and I in person.

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We watched Justice, which is another episode where a member of a

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primitive society comes up onto the Enterprise, sees the planet

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from Orbit.

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But in that one, it's just so terribly written and performed.

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Paul Patrick Stewart is stiff as anything as he's walking around

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that member of the Edo.

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And you've literally got techno god in the sky, shaking the

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enterprise going, return my child.

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It's just hideous in comparison.

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This is so subtly dumb.

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The scenes where Nuria is walking around and she's just marvelling

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at the walls movie and the stars in the sky and just it's some of

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the most beautiful scenes I think we've done so far.

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It's just gorgeous.

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And poor Patrick Stewart, who is sublimely good in this episode.

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I thought he delivers.

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This might be the point, you know, where he unpacked his clothes.

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Yeah, I think so.

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He's gone.

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Oh, maybe we're on to something.

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This is actually really good.

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I'm going to stop having a stick up my butt and actually do some

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acting.

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And him trying to negotiate that very difficult situation that

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he's in and be sensitive and gentle with her as well.

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And within those scenes, I think you have one of the all-time best

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narrative rug pools in a next generation episode.

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And it's that bit where he thinks he's absolutely gotten through

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to her and then she turns around and says, in a very reasonable

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way, Picard, you know, we lost all these children.

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Please, in your benevolence, will you please bring them back to

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life?

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And the look on his face.

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It's not even a big dramatic moment.

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It's just like, oh god, I just cannot get through to these

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people.

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In fact, every ad break, every sort of ad break cliffhanger is

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like that.

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You know, like it's something new is happening and something

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shocking is happening, but it's not peril.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It's not some surprise of some kind.

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It's something developing in the understanding that the Mintarkins

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have, you know, you know, when religion 1st starts or when Picard

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1st realises that the problem is going to be religion or where

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Nuria doesn't quite get what the limits of Picard's power are, all

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of that stuff.

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I don't want to douse the next generation with faint praise, but

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it is one of those rare occasions where some very deft rising is

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married with a really excellent guest cast and the 3rd level one

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which this is superb, is its execution.

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They go outside in a beautiful location. a chunk of the episode.

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It's not even like one scene.

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It's a huge chunk of the episode.

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It looks absolutely beautiful.

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You've got a wonderful score in this episode as well.

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The music and how often do we get to say that?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I just think on every level it's firing on all cylinders

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brilliant.

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It feels like a mission statement.

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It does.

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It feels like, okay, let's pour everything into this.

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Let's see what we can do.

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And then, you know, they look at this and go, right, now we're

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going to do yesterday's Enterprise, and now we're going to do best

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of both worlds, and it just gets better and better and better.

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Well, I think we should go, Ian.

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What do you think?

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I think so too.

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I shall be revering you as a goal by the end of the episode. got

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the hair for it.

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The Nathan.

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Before we go in, you know, I have a fledgeling podcast, you know

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which is on its last legs.

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Please, the Nathan.

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Will you nurse it back to hell for me?

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I can't do that.

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All right.

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You bitch.

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Okay.

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I will count as in.

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I should have said after all my efforts, I still can't get through

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to you.

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You're still no good at this.

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I barely make anyone listen to my own podcast.

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All right.

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Okay.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Now, the music is Ron Jones, I think, and I didn't check, but it

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just sounds like him because it has that way of being, um, like

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like there's some kind of anticipation, something is going to go

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wrong and we can't tell what, there's a level of urgency here.

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But it's sort of gentle.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It underscores a lot of it, but it is, there's, there's like a

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nice flow to the music in a way that, you know, gum series 5.

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We are just doing those dramatic, you know, going out to the ad

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breaks.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This, it's continuous and it's kind of useful as well.

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It's really, it's really probably good.

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I mean, you and I both have admitted to having the best of both

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worlds soundtrack at some point somewhere in our house.

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Yeah, and Ron Jones is pretty good, I think.

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But he's very good here.

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Org for you might be the best thing he ever wrote.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it is pretty good.

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We have engaged the Borg.

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Oh, sorry, that's not necessary.

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So we get all of this stuff where we establish who them in

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Tarkin's R and now we have these sort of terrible scientists that

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they always make fun of their sort of stupid uniforms in lower

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decks.

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You know, you get to be a federation scientist and you wear a

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uniform and stuff.

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And this, I mean, they make fun of them, but they still draw and

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they make them wear them.

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It's so great.

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They're explaining.

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I love this guy who climbs out the window.

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He doesn't quite, now we're on location.

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Holy fuck, we're on location.

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And look, he literally falls... the window, falls down the rocks.

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Good for you, Palm.

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Later on, when Lee goes up there.

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He literally goes, whoa, the way down.

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I hope they had a crash back waiting for him or something.

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But you know what?

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Talk about setting up the plot, right?

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This is the civilisation.

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These are the people we're going to see.

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There's a problem.

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Let's get there.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But we don't can't quite know where we're going yet.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like we don't quite know what's going to happen.

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And it, well, no, because it could still be just all set on that

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ballroom base.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Your typical next generation episode will be spending a lot of

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time in that gray base.

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Although we did have that impressive bit of location shooting.

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And remember what we said about series 2, which has one episode

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that has location, um, shooting in it and it's it's Picard riding

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a horse on the holodeck or something.

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It's so bad. like it's so cheap.

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It really...

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I was saying to, uh, my other off was watching this for me and he

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was, and I was going, look how beautiful the location work is.

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You know, it's absolutely stunning.

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He goes, and because he watches a lot of TV, right?

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where they go outside all the time the time.

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You know, and that's not an unusual thing.

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I said, yeah, but Star Trek does it like 3 times a year and he

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went, no, it doesn't.

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I went, I'm probably sure it does. yeah Patrick Shuart, he had a

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high wage.

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They couldn't afford any location work.

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So we go back here a fair amount.

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So we've been here for shadows and symbols, I think.

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Is that what you were saying the other day?

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Dr. Wykuff.

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Please come to isolation room four.

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And I think that Raffi is hanging out here as well when Picard 1st

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picks her up in series one of Picard.

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Is it where that fabulous gourd is as well in a ring?

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Obviously, originally the place where the Gorn was.

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All the best shows have been there.

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Generation's swear too?

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Oh, oh, is it?

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I think that it is...

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I think we do go back there quite a bit, I think.

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And it is just, like in a way, it is, it's Star Trek than Next

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Generation saying we're going back to basics.

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And arena is a similar sort of story.

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Ruffy went there as well.

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Didn't it?

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Possibly.

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End of series 6. is your gift.

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Oh, okay.

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Oh, 1st slayer out in the desert.

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Yeah.

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Oh, now this was the one part of the production that I could find

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fault with, and that is that terrible backdrop out the window

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silly funny, isn't it?

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When Lico pops his head up.

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It is really funny.

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Yeah My God, we're outside again.

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Let's just bask in the sunshine for a second.

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Yeah, here we go.

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And I just think as well, though, right?

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The look of the Mint Harkens, how they're dressed. pants I don't

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know.

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I just think...

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Wow, they've all got these shirts, right?

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which are open around the V-neck.

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So you when Riker wears.

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Oh, he's got a gray hair.

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You can say all of his lovely bushy, hairy chest.

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Oh, it's marvellous.

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But I mean, look at this.

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Look how they dress the location.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yep, yep.

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I think it's really.

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I think it's great And it's very rare to have 2 characters who

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aren't one of our regulars have a scene.

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We end up getting used to that in things like Deep Space 9.

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But I wonder if it's ever happened at this point.

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It isn't very common at all.

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A very quick shorthand because it's father and daughter.

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So I've got an immediate relationship we can buy into.

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And the death of the mother, which is important as well.

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Do you know what I mean?

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to Lico and to Nuria, you know, like because it becomes a thing

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about what gods can do.

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You know, um, yeah, yeah.

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Will you check out the lighting in this episode as well.

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Because there is a different style of lighting in series 3 of the

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Next Generation, I think, than any of the other series.

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And like the scene set in the Mid the Mintarken habitat, whatever

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you call it, in their room.

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So sort of cinematically done.

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Day and night and lightning, and I don't know, it's just very

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clear where you are at different, not that, you know, go back to

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series one and skin of evil, you know, where it was just that

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coloured backdrop and that's all you got and the overhead

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lighting.

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Yeah.

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They're learning.

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They're really learning how to make science fiction.

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There are things that I like about series one and 2 because it is

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the sort of direction that you never really see again, and there's

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a way that a house style develops, which hasn't is only really

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sort of falling into place at this and hasn't really become just

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the new look.

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So, I mean, this is impressive visually and more impressive

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perhaps than anything that we've seen since the pilot, perhaps.

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I think it's more impressive musically, though, because, like

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there are other episodes of Next Generation, though, impressive

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visually, but there aren't that many.

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They're impressive musically.

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Oh, here we goes.

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Look.

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Yeah, he sticks his head up.

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Adorable.

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Look at that.

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Did you notice as well, that fella, the doctor that's taken up the

359
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injured man, who just stood there for ages waiting for me beamed

360
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up?

361
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Dr. Crusher got out of the way, you know?

362
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We're still in the 90s, are we?

363
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Oh, look at that.

364
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What a fool.

365
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Oh yeah, no, it's great.

366
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That's not him, though.

367
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Surely I want to freeze that.

368
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That was amazing, wasn't it?

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Yeah, and like his twitching and stuff.

370
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So this guy is called Ray Wise, and he does come back to Star Trek

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in a very...

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I recognise him.

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He's Arturus in hope and fear.

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So he's...

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Bigheaded alien from hope and fear.

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Much less impressive performance.

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Oh bless his heart.

378
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I quite like that episode though.

379
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We'll get that.

380
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Dr. Bev's on location, Lou.

382
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Oh my god, it's the 1st time I've gone outside.

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I wonder, you know how you say sometimes when people are on

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location that their performances are more naturalistic than when

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they're in a studio.

386
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I wonder if that's true of gamesman fan.

387
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She didn't do too much there for us to notice, really.

388
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She was doing the sort of thing that she does quite well

389
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generally.

390
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Like, it's when she's sort of explaining someone's prognosis.

391
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No, just kind of, you know, treating someone for an emergency and

392
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ordering a beam up and stuff, something where it's clear what

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what's going on.

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There is, there's a couple of moments, which, of course, I will

395
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quote as we go through where she's going, Jean-Luc.

396
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We must go down.

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We must find Palmer. bless her.

398
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Oh, yeah.

399
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Even that very subtle effect of the observation window in the

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rock.

401
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Yeah, looks really great.

402
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Like, I know they might have tied it up for the...

403
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I don't know, actually.

404
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Of course, we will see a better version of that at the beginning

405
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of insurrection, Star Trek insurrection, which also has a duck

406
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blind, like has a group of people who are being observed from

407
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behind a duck blind.

408
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This is way better than...

409
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Oh, God. yeah Yeah, yeah, no, miles fed.

410
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Look at that, lady.

411
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I know.

412
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It's so impressive.

413
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Hell of a wig, isn't it, that she's got happening there?

414
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Grace Kelly was in sick bay for a 2nd there, you know?

415
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And then her handsome doctor here.

416
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Don't you love how grumpy Patrick Stewart is right this entire

417
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episode?

418
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I don't think he raises a smile till the last scene.

419
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Well, I really like this actually, where he's actually kind of

420
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annoyed because she's the doctor.

421
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She can just order a beam up.

422
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She doesn't need to ask him.

423
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So she's made that decision without his permission and she doesn't

424
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need his permission.

425
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And she's going, before you say anything, blah, blah, blah.

426
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We'd already done it, you know, like...

427
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And he goes, why didn't you let him die?

428
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Yeah, yeah.

429
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Yeah.

430
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That's a good line.

431
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Her her answer is good too.

432
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Um, and I guess, like, she's right, isn't she?

433
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She's right, but we need to emphasise how important this cultural

434
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contamination is because we haven't really seen that sort of thing

435
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happening quite the way that it happens here.

436
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Oh, that line there, can I just say, I guess I am familiar with

437
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that.

438
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Dr. Pulaski's work. memory, erasing technique.

439
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That harpy. that took my job last year.

440
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Did that work?

441
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I am aware of it.

442
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It is a reference to an actual episode, but I can't remember what

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episode.

444
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It is.

445
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I can't remember which one it is.

446
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No.

447
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But, um, and then I like the fact that she, she literally says the

448
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owl in this...

449
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I'm not sure if it's got to work.

450
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No, we'll give it a go though, you know?

451
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The 2nd he wakes up, he's like, I remember everything.

452
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Oh, this is just wonderful.

453
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When he wakes up, the way this is shot from the bed.

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Looking up at Picard with the light.

455
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The blow around him, the soft light, and he's giving orders, like

456
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he's ordering people around, you know.

457
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It's just like, you know, the usual.

458
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The stock Star Trek god is to have a godlike being come in and

459
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affect things.

460
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This is just looking at it from this direction.

461
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There's so much more interesting.

462
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Yeah.

463
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Yeah.

464
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Because it's the effect of a god on a society rather than a god

465
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just manipulating a society.

466
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No, exactly.

467
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Yeah, that is so much more...

468
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It's really, it's so good.

469
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Like, I just can't get over how good it is.

470
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Like, it's that myth of progress and stuff.

471
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Like that's, I just love that about Star Trek.

472
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That's why I watch Star Trek.

473
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You know, it's what sets Star Trek apart from space shows is that

474
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we get better and that's what it's about.

475
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And in a way, 90s Star Trek forgets that.

476
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Um, but this.

477
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It really does.

478
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Do you know, I was thinking about this because so much of this

479
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episode is talk and it's riveting, yeah.

480
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And they trust for it to be interesting as talk without putting in

481
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any action sequences.

482
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There's him firing the boat at the end and that is it.

483
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If this was a mid-season Voyager episode, you would have

484
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spaceships coming in at some and shooting or a gun battle or

485
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something.

486
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I just think they trust the intelligent viewer at this point.

487
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But it's also because Voyage is in a hostile place and trying to

488
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get home so it's never on missions like this, like it never

489
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interacts with people like this.

490
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Think about how insulting the native inhabitants of the planet on

491
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basics in basics.

492
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You know, how insults are now portrayal.

493
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Yeah.

494
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Well, they're just sort of going, oh, God, they're waiting

495
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spears.

496
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It's super embarrassing.

497
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Whereas these people, and that's really interesting too. like

498
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bronze stage. like you look at their their hunts and stuff are all

499
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made out of wood.

500
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It's hard to imagine that much would survive for future

501
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archeologists to see.

502
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Do you know what I mean?

503
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They have some metal tools.

504
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Most things are made of wood.

505
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You know, like it's, it's literally bronze age and, but they are

506
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they have sophisticated clothes, they're weaving, all of that sort

507
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of thing.

508
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They build buildings, comfortable buildings.

509
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And that's part of the story that's being told, isn't it?

510
00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:19.500
That, that, it's about progress and we see them part of the way

511
00:23:19.500 --> 00:23:19.859
there.

512
00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:25.680
Just think as well, the drama inherent in this episode is they

513
00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:27.000
want to paint him as the villain, right?

514
00:23:27.059 --> 00:23:29.880
By the end, he is pointing a weapon at somebody and saying, we

515
00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:32.880
will go back to the old ways and all of this, but it's so

516
00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:33.539
plausible.

517
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:37.140
He has woken up in a situation he cannot possibly comprehend.

518
00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:41.640
He's trying to interpret that in the only way, you know, how, by

519
00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:44.099
looking to history to similar things that they used to believe

520
00:23:44.099 --> 00:23:44.759
back then.

521
00:23:44.819 --> 00:23:46.500
And he's bringing it.

522
00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:50.819
So now, I just think he, I just think they ducked a bullet by

523
00:23:50.819 --> 00:23:52.680
making him such a plausible character.

524
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:53.579
And such a likeable one.

525
00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:54.900
I mean he's lost his wife.

526
00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:56.640
He's bringing up.

527
00:23:56.700 --> 00:23:57.720
He's lovely with his kids still.

528
00:23:57.779 --> 00:24:01.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah. bringing up his daughter by himself All of that

529
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:02.099
stuff is great.

530
00:24:02.220 --> 00:24:05.880
And like, we'll get there, but the moment where he realises what

531
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:06.599
he's done.

532
00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:08.640
Oh my god.

533
00:24:08.700 --> 00:24:11.160
That is an amazing...

534
00:24:11.220 --> 00:24:12.180
She holds up the blouse.

535
00:24:12.180 --> 00:24:12.480
Yep.

536
00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:14.160
And he starts crying.

537
00:24:14.220 --> 00:24:15.720
Like he just starts crying.

538
00:24:15.779 --> 00:24:16.680
It's so good.

539
00:24:16.740 --> 00:24:17.700
So good.

540
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:20.400
Oh I love this.

541
00:24:20.460 --> 00:24:21.480
Watch this now.

542
00:24:21.539 --> 00:24:23.339
When Troy and Rocker beam down, right?

543
00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:26.940
And Marina Sosis and Jonathan Frakes look at each other and smile

544
00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:28.079
like a massive smile.

545
00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:29.579
We're outside.

546
00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:30.359
My God.

547
00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:36.299
I think it's more, it's more, what the hell do we look like?

548
00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:37.680
That's the smile, yeah.

549
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:39.119
They're having real fun.

550
00:24:39.180 --> 00:24:40.500
Yeah, a lot of chest hair.

551
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:41.519
How did I notice that?

552
00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:42.539
My God.

553
00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:44.160
In fact, look at those shorts.

554
00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:45.960
He's swinging to the right right now.

555
00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:49.319
John, look at his lovely butt.

556
00:24:49.380 --> 00:24:53.460
I'm sorry, guys, but and look, oh my god, that is a really

557
00:24:53.460 --> 00:24:55.859
gorgeous shot camera shot.

558
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:56.880
Yeah, with that rock.

559
00:24:56.940 --> 00:24:59.940
That's the rock that everyone kind of remembers.

560
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:02.880
But they're shooting from below.

561
00:25:02.940 --> 00:25:04.559
They're moving the camera.

562
00:25:04.619 --> 00:25:07.319
These are not things we often do with the next generation.

563
00:25:08.099 --> 00:25:08.819
We've got more mountains.

564
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:11.519
This comet, this stuff is great too.

565
00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:16.859
Where, where, um, she says that Mintarken men walk behind the

566
00:25:16.859 --> 00:25:22.559
women, not to not because of subservience, but because you need to

567
00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:26.220
negotiate with the woman in order to get the man's services.

568
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:30.900
And Riker smiles hugely and goes, yes, that is a very sensible

569
00:25:30.900 --> 00:25:33.480
ration, which...

570
00:25:33.539 --> 00:25:36.720
Like, he's thinking, I might stay there.

571
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:39.960
I might vacation here if I can.

572
00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:43.980
But, you know, we did Angel one.

573
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:45.900
We've done Planet other women before.

574
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:47.640
It was fucking hideous.

575
00:25:47.700 --> 00:25:49.680
This is a matriarchal society.

576
00:25:49.740 --> 00:25:51.900
It's so much, it's just so much better done.

577
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:52.380
Yeah.

578
00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:54.599
It's very light matriarchy, isn't it?

579
00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:55.680
Because you've got the old guy.

580
00:25:55.740 --> 00:25:57.420
But that's how it should be.

581
00:25:57.480 --> 00:25:59.339
And you've got...

582
00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:03.900
Like, in a way, making a matriarchal kind of undersells, the fact

583
00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:06.960
that Nuria is made the leader, and she's just the leader because

584
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:08.519
she's incredible.

585
00:26:08.579 --> 00:26:10.319
Like, it's such a great performance.

586
00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:11.160
She's so good.

587
00:26:11.940 --> 00:26:15.599
I was getting sort of Carolyn Seymour vibes from her.

588
00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:16.380
She's...

589
00:26:16.380 --> 00:26:18.720
Oh, it was Carolyn Seymour for a 2nd.

590
00:26:18.779 --> 00:26:21.420
And she opened her mouth and that plummy English accent did not

591
00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:21.660
come.

592
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:25.559
No, and I knew that Pamela, I knew that the Carolyn Seymour's only

593
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:26.460
into episodes.

594
00:26:27.059 --> 00:26:32.519
She is in an episode of Space 1999 that I don't remember saying

595
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:35.579
called Dorzak for God's sake.

596
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:37.619
Is it series two?

597
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:38.339
I don't remember.

598
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:39.539
I meant to look it up.

599
00:26:39.539 --> 00:26:40.319
Doors like that.

600
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.720
It sounds like a Freiburger episode to me.

601
00:26:44.940 --> 00:26:47.220
I did see the Picard.

602
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:49.140
Yeah, you restored me back to life.

603
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:50.700
It's so interesting.

604
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:52.559
It's so good isn't it?

605
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:57.779
And what I love as well is I mean, I messaged you about this.

606
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:02.400
There's loads of, we're not told in dialogue everything that's

607
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:04.619
happening in this episode all the way through.

608
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:08.819
There's a whole sequence in a minute where Troy comes in, takes

609
00:27:08.819 --> 00:27:12.059
them all away and there's just no words at all.

610
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:14.279
It's all just playing out like it would in a field.

611
00:27:14.339 --> 00:27:15.539
Yeah, yeah.

612
00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:19.980
Yeah, Star Trek tends to really overrely on dialogue, doesn't it?

613
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:24.059
And this rational thing, you know, like maybe it's a dream and he

614
00:27:24.059 --> 00:27:25.140
says, well, that's not reasonable.

615
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:26.460
People don't share dreams.

616
00:27:26.460 --> 00:27:31.799
And then Riker says, well, is that any, you know, more less

617
00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:33.599
reasonable than believing in God.

618
00:27:33.660 --> 00:27:38.700
And maybe he was going to win then, but then they drag Palmer in

619
00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:43.440
in order to add some more. ups the states brilliantly, doesn't

620
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:43.619
it?

621
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:46.619
Because we are trying to avoid cultural contamination.

622
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:48.119
Here's the bloody poison.

623
00:27:49.140 --> 00:27:54.299
And the life is at stake. you know, like the guy and.

624
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:58.619
But this, the contamination is worse than we expected.

625
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:01.920
The Mintarkans are starting to believe in a god.

626
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:04.440
And I always wish we'd gone to the ad.

627
00:28:04.500 --> 00:28:06.599
The one that they've chosen. is you.

628
00:28:06.660 --> 00:28:07.680
That's a great way.

629
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.619
I mean, Picard's like, it looks like, utterly horrified.

630
00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:13.380
We thought Andrew was bad.

631
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:14.640
Now it's me.

632
00:28:14.700 --> 00:28:17.099
Imagine if it was mariner from lower action.

633
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.619
Yes, it's so great.

634
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:24.299
And then this guy who is the world's shitest anthropologist, who

635
00:28:24.299 --> 00:28:27.240
just says, let's just go and get Palmer and then we'll hand them

636
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.460
the 10 commandments and then we'll go on our way.

637
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:30.839
It's just like, you fucking kidding me?

638
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:35.579
Watch freaks and certes as well.

639
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:39.779
They are really relaxed in this episode in a way that we're not

640
00:28:39.779 --> 00:28:41.819
usually in Star Trek next generation.

641
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.619
I don't know.

642
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:45.059
There's just some magic in the air here.

643
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:49.500
It's almost like everybody, everybody knew this was really good.

644
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:51.059
Yeah, yeah.

645
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:52.980
I wonder why.

646
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:57.599
It is really good, but like, like in a sense, it is just the sort

647
00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:59.700
of same sort of thing that we usually do.

648
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:02.279
But I think it's the stakes, isn't it?

649
00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:06.480
And like, I think one of the greatest moments in Star Trek is the

650
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:07.140
bit at the end.

651
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.880
Well, obviously, obviously, where they're just talking. like

652
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:12.839
there's no pretence.

653
00:29:12.900 --> 00:29:14.940
We're just, we've just told you the truth.

654
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:19.380
Here's why we were here, you know, one day...

655
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:20.880
Oh, the very last thing you mean.

656
00:29:20.940 --> 00:29:23.039
Magic. so good.

657
00:29:23.099 --> 00:29:26.759
Always remember my people. where he goes, well, always.

658
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.000
And then his hand just closes around her.

659
00:29:30.059 --> 00:29:31.619
Oh my god, it's beautiful.

660
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.200
But like, not just the actors.

661
00:29:34.259 --> 00:29:36.000
I just think the designers, everybody.

662
00:29:36.059 --> 00:29:38.759
It's just giving this 100% for one week.

663
00:29:38.819 --> 00:29:39.299
Yeah.

664
00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:39.839
Yeah.

665
00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:43.980
Yeah, imagine if they hadn't shot it on location.

666
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:47.579
Yes, it's this.

667
00:29:47.700 --> 00:29:51.119
This is a set, but I would I could believe this wasn't like...

668
00:29:51.180 --> 00:29:52.140
Oh, they do good lighting.

669
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.700
Like they do good sort of outdoor style lighting, but, um, yeah

670
00:29:56.700 --> 00:29:57.480
there's a set.

671
00:29:57.539 --> 00:30:01.980
But this conversation where they start to theorise about what God

672
00:30:01.980 --> 00:30:05.160
wants and what God can do for them.

673
00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:07.619
Like, and that's the clincher.

674
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.440
Yeah, this is what he could do for us.

675
00:30:10.500 --> 00:30:11.460
We lost all those people.

676
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:12.359
Yeah, yeah.

677
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:16.079
Oh, I love this secret.

678
00:30:16.140 --> 00:30:19.380
I love the music in this series as well, where they tie up the old

679
00:30:19.380 --> 00:30:20.579
man and take Palmer away.

680
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:22.259
Yeah, that's really great.

681
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.680
But this thing now, they're tying someone up and like you've got

682
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:30.180
Riker and Troy saying, this man's a, you know, like, why are you

683
00:30:30.180 --> 00:30:31.740
tying a person up?

684
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:35.279
This is not what you would have done 5 minutes ago, but now that

685
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:38.880
God has come in, this stranger has to be tied up and you're tying

686
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:40.500
him up in order to please God.

687
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:46.319
You know, the people start behaving like Star Trek primitive races

688
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:46.799
you know.

689
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:50.339
Have you noticed how Palmer's face is?

690
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:53.579
It was granite gray as the Voyager observation room.

691
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:54.599
Yeah, yeah.

692
00:30:54.660 --> 00:30:56.519
It doesn't look well at all, does it?

693
00:30:56.579 --> 00:30:58.799
It's probably just a bit dirty.

694
00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:01.380
And even this is all plausible.

695
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:03.119
We know she checks the sundial.

696
00:31:03.180 --> 00:31:04.920
So she has to go back and check it.

697
00:31:04.980 --> 00:31:08.640
She then sees Ryka taking Palmer away and then they capture Troy

698
00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:09.900
all makes pence.

699
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:11.640
Yeah, it's really good.

700
00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:13.980
But yes, we just have to let this person go.

701
00:31:13.980 --> 00:31:15.059
Like it's wrong to do this.

702
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:15.839
This is wrong.

703
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:19.319
I wonder what that old man's thinking right now.

704
00:31:19.380 --> 00:31:20.460
We played a game?

705
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:21.359
What's happening?

706
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.059
So much location work.

707
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:25.380
I can't believe it. wonderful.

708
00:31:25.380 --> 00:31:29.460
But that's it.

709
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:31.500
They've gone, right, we can't go outside for the next 15

710
00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:32.160
episodes.

711
00:31:32.220 --> 00:31:34.380
We've used all the location.

712
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:36.900
But it was worth it. absolutely.

713
00:31:37.019 --> 00:31:38.819
And that little lawn in the survivors.

714
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:40.680
That was it. all we could afford this year.

715
00:31:43.500 --> 00:31:45.180
Oh, my God.

716
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:45.720
Do you know what?

717
00:31:45.779 --> 00:31:47.279
I've just remembered there's a bit in a minute.

718
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:50.220
I'll forget when it's on, so I'm just going to say it now, where

719
00:31:50.220 --> 00:31:53.940
Data's trying to talk to Troy, but she's surrounded by Mint

720
00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:56.880
Harkens, and she's just going, I love that.

721
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.640
And he goes, does that does that mean affirmative?

722
00:31:59.700 --> 00:32:00.539
Yes, data.

723
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:02.880
Yes, so stupid.

724
00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:07.140
I thought to myself, are they even getting the banter?

725
00:32:07.140 --> 00:32:11.579
Because trust me, we've done some crass jokes that date is

726
00:32:11.579 --> 00:32:12.900
expressed in series one or two.

727
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:14.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

728
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:14.880
Yeah.

729
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:15.839
I like this too.

730
00:32:15.900 --> 00:32:17.819
I think this is really well done.

731
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.000
Like, it's just like all he has to do is hide for a second.

732
00:32:21.059 --> 00:32:24.299
He just has to be out of sight for a 2nd and it's just

733
00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:26.220
terrifically well done, I think.

734
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:29.160
Like, it's just well shot, you know, like, we can easily

735
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:31.200
understand what's supposed to be going on.

736
00:32:31.259 --> 00:32:39.660
There's a great moment where he's like, um, this guy, um, the, the

737
00:32:39.660 --> 00:32:42.299
who has a name, but I can't remember what it is, the guy with the

738
00:32:42.299 --> 00:32:42.599
bow.

739
00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:48.059
We can see, he can, we can see Riker, but he can't, in shot.

740
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:48.720
It's really good.

741
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:53.160
There's just this very handy nook here for him to put palm

742
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:53.519
already.

743
00:32:53.579 --> 00:32:55.380
But it needs to be there.

744
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:57.720
Like it actually seems to be actually there.

745
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.059
Did you notice as well?

746
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:01.859
in one of those high angle shots.

747
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:02.819
They got the sky in.

748
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:04.019
I bet they waited for a while.

749
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:06.720
They managed to get an eagle flying around just at the top there.

750
00:33:06.779 --> 00:33:09.240
There's always an eagle when they shoot here.

751
00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:11.460
Yeah, but see, that's great in that shot.

752
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:16.380
You know, like and and he, you know, he's walking along and and

753
00:33:16.380 --> 00:33:20.099
Riker disappears and then he walks in front of where Riker was

754
00:33:20.099 --> 00:33:22.319
like that's actually quite well done, I think.

755
00:33:22.380 --> 00:33:26.640
They just can't make the beamings dynamic, though, can they?

756
00:33:26.700 --> 00:33:28.440
They like have to hold their position.

757
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:29.940
Yeah, how 5 seconds.

758
00:33:30.059 --> 00:33:34.619
But, you know, in that shot without a cut, he walks in front of

759
00:33:34.619 --> 00:33:38.099
where they were, where the beam in happened, and he was in shot

760
00:33:38.099 --> 00:33:39.240
during the beam in.

761
00:33:39.299 --> 00:33:42.359
So that is actually technically a little bit more impressive than

762
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:42.839
it seems.

763
00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:46.440
I need to say this, you know, because I don't say it very often

764
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:50.160
because look, you see Riker there in his normal uniform, I don't

765
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:54.900
fancy him at all, but as a mentor, I want to have sex with him so

766
00:33:54.900 --> 00:33:55.259
badly.

767
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:57.059
I don't know what it is about.

768
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:58.200
That's a ment talking.

769
00:33:58.259 --> 00:34:00.779
I think the hairy chest has. got messy hair, you know?

770
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:02.339
sort of hairy and messy.

771
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.759
It reminds me a bit of that evil Romulan or is it Vulcan?

772
00:34:05.819 --> 00:34:07.079
Oh, that's racist.

773
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:08.219
In Picard.

774
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.559
Oh, you mean Harry Tread away?

775
00:34:10.619 --> 00:34:11.219
You the one I mean?

776
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:11.699
Yeah, yeah.

777
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.019
Oh, yeah, very pretty.

778
00:34:14.099 --> 00:34:17.639
Okay, we're about to head into the best part of the series now

779
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.940
where Picard realises, oh, okay, I'm going to have to talk to

780
00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:21.599
these primitives.

781
00:34:21.659 --> 00:34:25.440
Yeah, yeah. and try and convince them that I'm not a gold, which

782
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.139
as a one-line pitch for a Star Trek episode, is gone.

783
00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:28.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

784
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:33.420
But I think I think that what's great about it is that they never

785
00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:36.960
patronise or belittle these people, like they never think that

786
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.719
they're stupid, like at any point.

787
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:41.519
There is one, Nate Fern, right?

788
00:34:41.579 --> 00:34:42.000
would have done that.

789
00:34:42.059 --> 00:34:44.639
Well, I think that it helps that they're proto-Vulcans.

790
00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:48.119
Like, I think that calling them proto Vulcans before we even meet

791
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:51.539
them gives us sort of some level of expectation.

792
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:55.079
And given that this is, you know, people who are rational, who are

793
00:34:55.079 --> 00:35:00.960
now deciding to adopt a religion, that even this, you know, I

794
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:06.239
don't want to... before she said that line, he said that he was

795
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:06.960
going to hurt her.

796
00:35:07.019 --> 00:35:10.739
And then she had about 5 seconds where you could just see her

797
00:35:10.739 --> 00:35:11.280
thinking.

798
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:12.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

799
00:35:12.179 --> 00:35:14.039
It's just it's such a great...

800
00:35:14.099 --> 00:35:14.760
It's really good.

801
00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:18.179
I just I feel like I've seen her in something before.

802
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:24.000
She is she's got a real... she's absolutely a superb guest star

803
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:25.559
that maybe we overlook.

804
00:35:25.619 --> 00:35:29.519
Anyone who thinks we're talking sort of hyperbole, please go back

805
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:33.300
and watch justice and watch that performance as that woman is

806
00:35:33.300 --> 00:35:36.360
walking around the enterprise and then watch because it's that

807
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:38.460
sort of childlike glee she has in a minute.

808
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:41.880
Yeah, where she's like, oh, as the doors open, you know, and I'm

809
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:44.280
just like, oh, mate, this is just perfect.

810
00:35:44.340 --> 00:35:45.900
But she's clearly very smart.

811
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:48.900
Like she's very smart, she's thoughtful.

812
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:52.559
She's a good leader, and she gets it so quickly, which is why the

813
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:53.880
rug pool works so well.

814
00:35:53.940 --> 00:35:56.639
And a little bit scared as well.

815
00:35:56.699 --> 00:35:59.639
It's all of that in there They do it again, don't they?

816
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:00.420
Homeward?

817
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:01.139
Is it homeward?

818
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:04.679
Where that guy... less effectively.

819
00:36:04.739 --> 00:36:07.559
Yeah, again, not very well, but they do do it.

820
00:36:07.619 --> 00:36:11.639
But this, like they fucking anthropologist is kind of saying, why

821
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:13.619
don't you go down and just tell them how to live.

822
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:15.360
It's just like, are you fucking kidding?

823
00:36:15.420 --> 00:36:16.320
Like, why?

824
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:17.280
I'm a captain.

825
00:36:17.340 --> 00:36:18.599
I'm like a navy captain.

826
00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:21.960
I'm telling you your job, like the whole point of the duck blind

827
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:23.219
was not to have this happen.

828
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.860
And interestingly, I was watching his performance, and this is the

829
00:36:28.860 --> 00:36:31.920
sort of stock performance you get in next year. performance this

830
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.119
man's given, you know?

831
00:36:33.179 --> 00:36:36.300
You can actually make the comparison between someone given a great

832
00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:38.340
and an average performance in this episode.

833
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.159
And then like, oh, here's my speech.

834
00:36:41.219 --> 00:36:42.960
Yeah, yeah.

835
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.139
Wow, you expect me to sabotage that achievement.

836
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:47.099
It's so good.

837
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:49.139
Send them back to the Dark Ages.

838
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.139
But then there's that list of things he says that the, that

839
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:56.400
religion could lead to in holy wars and inquisitions and stuff. and

840
00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:01.800
and, and, and, when he hears the list, but that's the list of

841
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:05.699
things that it actually has led to, you know, in our history.

842
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:08.760
Yeah, yeah.

843
00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:10.500
And that's the other thing too.

844
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:13.500
You remember when there was that sort of new atheism thing and it

845
00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:16.980
was Dawkins and Dennet and Richard, Sam Harris and all of these

846
00:37:16.980 --> 00:37:19.559
sort of terrible people and it was all kind of, oh, you know

847
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.679
religion's not real and we've just discovered that and it's like a

848
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:23.039
big deal.

849
00:37:23.099 --> 00:37:26.699
And like this, the assumption here is that religion isn't true.

850
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:29.940
You know, no one on Star Trek, the next generation is religious.

851
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.019
And when we do introduce religion, we introduce space religion

852
00:37:34.019 --> 00:37:38.400
where there are real gods who are wormhole aliens, you know.

853
00:37:38.460 --> 00:37:42.179
So we never have just religion where people believe things that

854
00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:46.079
aren't real because of tradition or...

855
00:37:46.139 --> 00:37:46.619
Yeah, yeah.

856
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:51.599
So, so, but the assumption here is that religion isn't true and

857
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:56.519
that that the fact that religion is re is breaking out among these

858
00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:01.079
people is a huge disaster and we have to find a way of fixing it.

859
00:38:01.139 --> 00:38:06.539
And how you see that so explicitly by descent amongst the mentor

860
00:38:06.539 --> 00:38:07.920
because violence...

861
00:38:07.980 --> 00:38:08.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

862
00:38:08.820 --> 00:38:13.019
And it is like it's them theorising about what God wants.

863
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.380
You know, God wants us to mistreat this person.

864
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.599
God wants us to sacrifice her.

865
00:38:18.659 --> 00:38:25.619
You know, we have to harm Troy in order to placate God, because

866
00:38:25.619 --> 00:38:29.760
Palmer disappeared, you know, like all of that kind of calculus

867
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:33.420
that they're engaging in, which is mental, like awful.

868
00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:36.119
Um, you know, has to be stopped.

869
00:38:36.179 --> 00:38:36.840
It's amazing.

870
00:38:36.900 --> 00:38:39.659
Like, we've got a new religious way of thinking, breaking out

871
00:38:39.659 --> 00:38:41.579
among these people, and we have to stop it.

872
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:46.380
We can't hear it in this scene.

873
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:51.900
But there's a violin that comes in as she's exploring the ship is

874
00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:52.860
just beautiful.

875
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:54.840
She's so good, isn't she?

876
00:38:54.900 --> 00:38:55.860
She's so good.

877
00:38:56.099 --> 00:38:59.579
It's when he's like, oh, God, do I say my name?

878
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:01.139
I am Jean-Luc.

879
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:02.340
Picard.

880
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:05.460
You know, the Picard.

881
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:10.679
I love history action too, where he says, no, no, you mustn't

882
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:11.460
kneel to me.

883
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:14.340
That's and that's the cliffhanger.

884
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.679
She's kneeling to him. the cliffhanger.

885
00:39:16.739 --> 00:39:19.980
The exchange I love is you do not wish it.

886
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:21.960
I do love it. do not deserve it.

887
00:39:22.019 --> 00:39:22.920
It's so good.

888
00:39:22.980 --> 00:39:26.280
And even just that, like, hold my hand.

889
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:32.760
And I do love the fact that she's an older woman and he's an older

890
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:33.420
man.

891
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:36.480
Like there's roughly similar age is, I think.

892
00:39:36.539 --> 00:39:38.219
I don't know, but do you know what I mean?

893
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:39.599
She's not a young woman.

894
00:39:39.659 --> 00:39:42.239
Um, and just...

895
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.719
Ah, Tingo, caution this when he's going... length of my hand

896
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:48.840
holding her hand. it's beautiful.

897
00:39:48.900 --> 00:39:49.920
Oh, my word.

898
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:54.179
That stuff about connection that I said. in Dharmok.

899
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:54.960
You get it here.

900
00:39:55.019 --> 00:39:57.480
But like it's so tender.

901
00:39:57.900 --> 00:40:01.019
It's so, this is Star Trek.

902
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:03.420
I'll tell you what, this is Star Trek during what Star Trek does

903
00:40:03.420 --> 00:40:03.960
best.

904
00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:08.940
But for me, it doesn't have that tweeness that we've seen creep

905
00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:11.460
into other examples of things that we've watched, you know?

906
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:13.500
It's just very sensitive.

907
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:14.039
Yeah, yeah.

908
00:40:14.099 --> 00:40:15.420
I think it's beautiful.

909
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:18.179
Look, he gently just pushes her face.

910
00:40:18.300 --> 00:40:18.719
Look at me.

911
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:21.480
I am not a supreme being.

912
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:25.980
Oh, I love the way she jumps when they're done. a wondrous place.

913
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:28.559
Even the walls avail your command.

914
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:33.420
Jesus, their doors, you have doors, you know, like it's fine.

915
00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:35.400
And do you know what?

916
00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:41.579
Even my overall, the staunchest critic of Star Trek, watched this

917
00:40:41.579 --> 00:40:44.460
scene in a minute where he's explaining about progress, about

918
00:40:44.460 --> 00:40:46.500
going from bows to weapons.

919
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:50.099
And he, even he said, that was very well written.

920
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:50.639
Yeah, yeah.

921
00:40:50.699 --> 00:40:53.280
I was like, bloody hell, the highest brace possible.

922
00:40:53.340 --> 00:40:55.559
It is really good, isn't it?

923
00:40:55.619 --> 00:40:57.719
It's really, really properly good.

924
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.739
It's like, you know, I would have thought that would be an

925
00:41:01.739 --> 00:41:04.440
impossible task in one scene to explain the progress from the

926
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:06.119
Mintarkans to the Enterprise.

927
00:41:06.179 --> 00:41:07.440
He does it brilliantly.

928
00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:08.460
It's beautifully done.

929
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:12.360
I love, we see this, you know, we're seeing it from far above and

930
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.699
she says, yet I do not fall.

931
00:41:14.699 --> 00:41:16.440
And she understands it.

932
00:41:16.500 --> 00:41:18.900
Like I never thought I would see the clowns from this side.

933
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.239
Like all of that stuff is so good.

934
00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:25.079
I will say though, they do seem to be very close to that planet.

935
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:27.119
It's very near.

936
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:28.860
That planet has been put in.

937
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.219
I think it was probably a less impressive planet originally.

938
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:34.559
But it looks quite impressive now.

939
00:41:34.619 --> 00:41:35.820
Yeah, it really does.

940
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:36.960
And I'm pleased.

941
00:41:37.019 --> 00:41:39.719
Sometimes I'm pleased they're brushing things out.

942
00:41:39.780 --> 00:41:42.539
Make something that's almost flawless.

943
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:43.619
Flawless.

944
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:46.559
Well, I mean, the scene with Lily is similar, isn't it?

945
00:41:46.619 --> 00:41:48.480
Because it's doing a similar thing.

946
00:41:48.539 --> 00:41:54.360
Um, like Lily and Picard are less distant from one another in time

947
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:55.980
and in understanding things.

948
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:58.860
You know, she's been constructing a spaceship.

949
00:41:59.699 --> 00:42:02.219
He doesn't give her the answers.

950
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:03.900
He lets her reason it out as well.

951
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:07.860
He gives her all of the bare bones of what she needs to put it all

952
00:42:07.860 --> 00:42:08.460
together.

953
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:11.579
Some of it she's thinking for thinking of for the 1st time.

954
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:16.860
It's kind of like, well, why don't you still live in caves or why

955
00:42:16.860 --> 00:42:19.500
did they live in caves and you live in arts?

956
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.679
And she goes, I guess we didn't know how to make hearts.

957
00:42:22.739 --> 00:42:24.179
You know, like all of that.

958
00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:26.820
She's figuring it out and we see it.

959
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:31.079
And this is him explaining how we get from them to him.

960
00:42:31.139 --> 00:42:33.059
And he starts speeding up.

961
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:37.079
Like he's talking quicker and quicker and mating the links more

962
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:37.739
and more quickly.

963
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:38.820
The clincher is.

964
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:43.079
He puts her in his position and says, well, what would one of

965
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.780
those cave dwellers do if they met you now?

966
00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:47.519
Do you know what I loved?

967
00:42:47.579 --> 00:42:49.380
It's like, what would she think?

968
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:51.420
Put yourself in her place?

969
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.940
She cannot kill a horn bike.

970
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.059
Like the fact that it's a, like the female pronouns are used.

971
00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:58.920
I just think is amazingly good as well.

972
00:42:58.980 --> 00:43:01.079
Who the hell wrote this episode?

973
00:43:01.139 --> 00:43:01.980
I want to know.

974
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:02.820
I've got to find out.

975
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.039
It's a great...

976
00:43:05.099 --> 00:43:05.820
Yeah, yeah.

977
00:43:07.139 --> 00:43:12.059
Yeah, no, I think this scene is really, really great.

978
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:18.179
And like, like, written by Richard Manning and Ham's Beimler

979
00:43:18.179 --> 00:43:19.920
Baimler goes over to DS9.

980
00:43:20.099 --> 00:43:23.280
He's the one that writes with Ira Bear for 5 years.

981
00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:25.139
Um, Yeah.

982
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:28.860
I mean, this is properly good, and it's really properly Star Trek

983
00:43:28.860 --> 00:43:29.400
isn't it?

984
00:43:29.460 --> 00:43:32.699
And like this is the rug pool, isn't it?

985
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:33.360
I don't feel you.

986
00:43:33.420 --> 00:43:34.980
I understand you.

987
00:43:35.099 --> 00:43:40.739
But what she doesn't understand yet is exactly what that means.

988
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:42.000
Do you know what I mean?

989
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:43.019
And this.

990
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:47.340
My people, my people once lived in caves and then they build, learn

991
00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:50.820
to build huts and in time to build ships like these.

992
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:54.599
Like, it's so great, and we're not there yet.

993
00:43:54.659 --> 00:43:57.780
We're we're at the bit, we've learned to build hearts and stuff

994
00:43:57.780 --> 00:44:00.360
but we haven't learned to build ships like this and Picard is

995
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:03.719
telling us that we will, that at some point in the future.

996
00:44:03.780 --> 00:44:05.579
That's the last scene, isn't it?

997
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.059
It's, well, because maybe one day my people walk over the stars.

998
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:11.460
Oh, yes, I have no doubt he will.

999
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:14.519
And that's what was under threat. that they were going to become

1000
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.940
religious nutcases who were too busy kind of massacring one

1001
00:44:17.940 --> 00:44:20.280
another to find the stars.

1002
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:25.079
But what's great is that so they reach their common ground there.

1003
00:44:25.139 --> 00:44:29.760
She understands why everything is so impressive around her and how

1004
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:31.139
how they got there.

1005
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:35.340
But she still doesn't understand what they're capable of, which

1006
00:44:35.340 --> 00:44:39.179
gives us a sting in the next seat because she still thinks, yes, I

1007
00:44:39.179 --> 00:44:41.880
understand how we've reached you.

1008
00:44:41.940 --> 00:44:45.599
Yeah, but I don't know that you can't bring people back from the

1009
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:56.039
dead and particularly since this kind of proves, um, uh, Lico

1010
00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:56.519
story.

1011
00:44:56.579 --> 00:44:57.420
Do you know what I mean?

1012
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:01.559
Like her experience validates Lico's story and Lico's story is

1013
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:03.179
that I was brought back to life.

1014
00:45:03.539 --> 00:45:06.000
Oh, it's a stargazer.

1015
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:06.480
Look at that.

1016
00:45:08.099 --> 00:45:11.280
And of course that's how we saw it. right?

1017
00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:13.260
He fell from that great height.

1018
00:45:13.380 --> 00:45:15.119
Of course he thought he was going to die.

1019
00:45:15.179 --> 00:45:17.280
And then he wakes up in heaven.

1020
00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:17.880
That's right.

1021
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:21.059
You know, the natural conclusion I would think is my goal, Joe

1022
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.719
Obviously, I was too amazing to die. to bring me back to life.

1023
00:45:24.780 --> 00:45:27.300
And this, it is such a rug pull.

1024
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:28.559
It's terrible, isn't it?

1025
00:45:28.619 --> 00:45:31.800
Like, it is such a moment. breaks my heart.

1026
00:45:31.860 --> 00:45:32.460
Yeah, yeah.

1027
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:34.679
And then she goes, why have we just pleased?

1028
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:37.380
Again, she's already thinking religiously.

1029
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:38.880
It's what we were trying to solve.

1030
00:45:39.059 --> 00:45:41.820
We thought we'd fixed it.

1031
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:47.880
And then I just, I just love the scene in Sick Bay where they take

1032
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:49.739
him and Palmer dies.

1033
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:51.119
No, no, it's Mary.

1034
00:45:51.179 --> 00:45:52.619
It's, um, the...

1035
00:45:52.619 --> 00:45:53.760
Oh, Mary. sorry.

1036
00:45:53.820 --> 00:45:54.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1037
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:56.039
And but then she understands.

1038
00:45:56.099 --> 00:45:56.880
She gets it.

1039
00:45:56.940 --> 00:45:58.260
So then she can go back down.

1040
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:01.320
I mean, it's a good thing Mary did die.

1041
00:46:01.380 --> 00:46:03.300
Otherwise, they wouldn't have had that evidence.

1042
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:09.659
At the climactic point where Troy's life is in maximum danger and

1043
00:46:09.659 --> 00:46:12.480
then, oh, and I'm preempting it all now.

1044
00:46:12.539 --> 00:46:17.039
The glorious moment, the hero moment where Picard just steps

1045
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:20.280
forward and goes, look, if this is the proof you're going to need

1046
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:20.820
then kill me.

1047
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:26.460
You know, I will sacrifice my life to stop you people, you know

1048
00:46:26.460 --> 00:46:27.960
falling back into something.

1049
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:32.400
If that's what it takes to prevent you from developing this

1050
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:37.139
religion and never experiencing what I experience in the stars.

1051
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:41.280
You know, like Nathan, there are so many ways they could have

1052
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:42.900
fucked this episode up.

1053
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:48.179
We have seen, and we will see other religious episodes where it's

1054
00:46:48.179 --> 00:46:50.039
deeply insulting in both directions.

1055
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:51.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1056
00:46:52.019 --> 00:46:53.460
Yeah.

1057
00:46:53.820 --> 00:46:56.400
And they should just look to this.

1058
00:46:56.940 --> 00:46:58.920
We've already done it.

1059
00:46:58.980 --> 00:47:00.000
We won't do religion again.

1060
00:47:00.059 --> 00:47:01.440
This is just perfect, you know.

1061
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:03.719
Troy is so good in this too.

1062
00:47:03.780 --> 00:47:05.159
Like, she's really great.

1063
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.380
And this is kind of terrifying.

1064
00:47:07.619 --> 00:47:09.599
I think in three.

1065
00:47:09.659 --> 00:47:13.139
They really figure out and give Marina Surtis great stuff to do.

1066
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:14.760
And then they forget again.

1067
00:47:14.820 --> 00:47:15.719
It's so annoying.

1068
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:16.860
Yeah.

1069
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:21.000
But that's a good cliffhanger too. her standing up and just seeing

1070
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:22.800
what they're preparing for her.

1071
00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:24.719
Yeah, this.

1072
00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:26.039
So we're not...

1073
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:29.039
It is nice as well that you see just, you know, the terrible

1074
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:29.820
Barren.

1075
00:47:29.820 --> 00:47:31.019
Yeah, like.

1076
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.019
But he is, you know, distressed and he's a person.

1077
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.679
And then and then she kind of goes, all right, go away now because

1078
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:40.320
Nuria and Picard need to have a conversation.

1079
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:42.599
Off you go.

1080
00:47:42.659 --> 00:47:46.559
You see, um, Dr. Beverly's hunky nurse there on his pad.

1081
00:47:46.619 --> 00:47:49.199
He looked a bit embarrassed, though, you have to watch all this

1082
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:49.559
you know.

1083
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:54.300
I'll just tap away on my pads, you know.

1084
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:58.380
He was raising a clinical eyebrow.

1085
00:47:59.340 --> 00:48:02.940
And she reacts to the door to see someone die.

1086
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:04.800
Yeah, yeah, she has to see it.

1087
00:48:04.860 --> 00:48:05.280
Yeah.

1088
00:48:05.340 --> 00:48:06.480
And that's a beautiful shot.

1089
00:48:06.539 --> 00:48:06.960
Look at that.

1090
00:48:07.019 --> 00:48:10.320
A welcome-posed shot with the 2 of them looking at, you know

1091
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:11.880
with...

1092
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:13.739
The nurse still looks a bit awkward, though.

1093
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:15.539
Yeah, he's doing his eyebrow again though.

1094
00:48:16.619 --> 00:48:19.320
Oh, could I just say right?

1095
00:48:19.380 --> 00:48:21.840
Sorry to spoil this beautiful moment, but throughout my entire

1096
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:22.559
childhood?

1097
00:48:22.619 --> 00:48:25.980
I was so curious as to what that red and blue liquor was on the

1098
00:48:25.980 --> 00:48:26.820
back.

1099
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:30.539
I think one of them may be distilled courtressing.

1100
00:48:30.659 --> 00:48:31.500
Probably.

1101
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:33.360
She just drinks it.

1102
00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:36.179
But then it's always fall, though, do you notice?

1103
00:48:36.300 --> 00:48:37.559
It always fall.

1104
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:39.960
And this.

1105
00:48:40.019 --> 00:48:42.539
I actually think this is kind of beautiful as well.

1106
00:48:42.900 --> 00:48:47.219
You couldn't save her, just the way that we couldn't save the

1107
00:48:47.219 --> 00:48:49.019
people from the floods.

1108
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:54.900
And so you experience loss and you experience grief the same way

1109
00:48:54.900 --> 00:48:57.659
that we do and we did recently.

1110
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:02.760
Remember, it was children. 4 children died in those floods last

1111
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:03.059
year.

1112
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:06.780
The simplicity of that line, though.

1113
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:08.519
You do have limits.

1114
00:49:08.579 --> 00:49:10.800
You are not masters of life in death.

1115
00:49:10.860 --> 00:49:11.940
Perfect.

1116
00:49:12.059 --> 00:49:16.619
Abs in a series that is typically very verbose.

1117
00:49:16.739 --> 00:49:19.440
That is so economic. really good.

1118
00:49:19.500 --> 00:49:21.239
I mean, he sort of explains it, but it is.

1119
00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:23.699
It's kind of like we are the same.

1120
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:25.320
Like, we're the same.

1121
00:49:25.380 --> 00:49:27.179
Yeah, you are not superior beings.

1122
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:29.219
You're remarkable, but you're not superior.

1123
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:30.719
And I think that's wonderful.

1124
00:49:30.780 --> 00:49:31.679
It's so good.

1125
00:49:31.739 --> 00:49:35.219
But you know, the delivery of those lines could be so pony.

1126
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:39.059
Yeah, yeah I will not stop saying how great that actress is.

1127
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.539
And this, too, like, you don't want to kill me, Lico, you don't

1128
00:49:42.539 --> 00:49:43.139
want to kill me.

1129
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:45.000
How do you know what God wants?

1130
00:49:45.059 --> 00:49:46.199
How do you know?

1131
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:49.380
And like, I think that...

1132
00:49:49.380 --> 00:49:52.679
We could say this to many people right now.

1133
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:53.159
That's the point.

1134
00:49:53.219 --> 00:49:54.300
You're calling things are happening.

1135
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:55.199
That's it.

1136
00:49:55.260 --> 00:49:57.599
But OG doesn't want him to do it either.

1137
00:49:57.659 --> 00:50:02.579
Because once at risk here isn't her life, it's him becoming a

1138
00:50:02.579 --> 00:50:03.360
murderer.

1139
00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:07.559
You know, like that's that's the danger that's happening here.

1140
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.380
Whoa, unchieves, does it?

1141
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:11.400
But what if it's the wrong thing?

1142
00:50:11.460 --> 00:50:12.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1143
00:50:13.019 --> 00:50:16.559
She's, she fears it too, because that's what happened. for no

1144
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:16.800
reason.

1145
00:50:16.860 --> 00:50:17.460
That's right.

1146
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.039
My mother's gone and my father is a murderer, you know?

1147
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.619
Yeah, and there they are.

1148
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:24.480
The look of relief on Troy's face.

1149
00:50:24.539 --> 00:50:25.559
She's like, oh, thank God.

1150
00:50:25.619 --> 00:50:27.179
It's really good, isn't it?

1151
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.119
That's great. someone else can take the arrow now.

1152
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:34.019
There's one thing too.

1153
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:38.400
There's one really cheesy moment, which I think is a little stroke

1154
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:42.719
of genius, which is where Nuria throws herself in front of Picard

1155
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.900
in order to say what are you talking about?

1156
00:50:46.019 --> 00:50:48.360
And it's just like...

1157
00:50:48.420 --> 00:50:49.199
No, Lego, no.

1158
00:50:49.260 --> 00:50:51.420
And you kind of go, oh, we're doing that, are we?

1159
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:52.139
We're going to kill her.

1160
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:54.059
Like fucking hell.

1161
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:56.699
And we say, no, we're not going to do that.

1162
00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:58.800
He puts her to one side.

1163
00:50:58.860 --> 00:51:02.699
Forcibly put her to one side and says, no, we're not doing that.

1164
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:04.860
That's not how we're going to resolve this episode.

1165
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:09.420
And then he just, you know, his chest's right out, isn't it?

1166
00:51:09.539 --> 00:51:11.159
Yeah, he's like, go on, if that's what you need.

1167
00:51:11.219 --> 00:51:13.260
If that's what you need.

1168
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:13.679
Yeah.

1169
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:17.159
I mean, Patrick Stewart must have got this script and been like

1170
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:21.300
what garbage have you been giving me the last 2 years?

1171
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:26.159
Oh, dear.

1172
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:27.719
I mean, it's a great year for him.

1173
00:51:27.780 --> 00:51:30.300
I think we get yesterday's Enterprise and best of both worlds this

1174
00:51:30.300 --> 00:51:30.719
year as well.

1175
00:51:30.780 --> 00:51:33.239
Yeah, but he's doing great.

1176
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:34.440
And Sarek.

1177
00:51:34.500 --> 00:51:36.719
But this isn't flashy.

1178
00:51:36.780 --> 00:51:39.119
This is just him doing a really good job.

1179
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:42.300
Yeah.

1180
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.719
I mean, this is just a technically like a midseason episode.

1181
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:46.139
Yeah, yeah.

1182
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:46.679
Yeah, yeah.

1183
00:51:46.739 --> 00:51:49.260
But I think it is a stunningly good one.

1184
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.320
It's the course correction episode, though. you're right.

1185
00:51:52.380 --> 00:51:53.579
Absolutely.

1186
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:54.179
Yeah.

1187
00:51:54.179 --> 00:51:57.239
Or this is a, oh, wow.

1188
00:51:57.300 --> 00:51:59.460
This is how...

1189
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:01.679
This is how good we can make this.

1190
00:52:01.739 --> 00:52:03.599
Let's aim for this.

1191
00:52:03.659 --> 00:52:06.119
I think that's, you know, you reach a new home.

1192
00:52:06.179 --> 00:52:07.980
The ceiling is going up and up.

1193
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:11.039
The floor's looking further away.

1194
00:52:11.099 --> 00:52:12.420
Yeah.

1195
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.300
Which you remember, we were crawling along the floor for quite

1196
00:52:15.300 --> 00:52:15.719
some time.

1197
00:52:15.780 --> 00:52:16.920
We were.

1198
00:52:16.980 --> 00:52:17.699
We really were.

1199
00:52:17.820 --> 00:52:20.760
The ceiling looked like so far away.

1200
00:52:20.820 --> 00:52:22.500
But like, this is what...

1201
00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:23.400
Oh, bloody hell.

1202
00:52:23.460 --> 00:52:24.780
Dathon did as well.

1203
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:26.340
And OG stops it.

1204
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:27.179
Doesn't it?

1205
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:35.400
OG pushes him out of the way, so his aim goes wild and it doesn't

1206
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:39.480
kill him, and this shot where she shows the blood to him, and his

1207
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:44.400
lip quivers and he just starts crying because he realises... don't

1208
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:45.300
eat anything. done.

1209
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:46.320
It's so good.

1210
00:52:46.380 --> 00:52:47.460
So great.

1211
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:48.840
Oh my god.

1212
00:52:48.900 --> 00:52:49.679
Can I say it?

1213
00:52:49.739 --> 00:52:51.900
Because it's the only time it's ever said.

1214
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.840
Dr. Crusher has repaired her with her usual skill.

1215
00:52:54.900 --> 00:52:58.079
My injury with her usual skill. so great.

1216
00:52:58.139 --> 00:53:01.380
Between scenes and well, well done, Dr. Crush.

1217
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:05.159
This scene is great because now they're meeting like equals

1218
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:05.579
right?

1219
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:07.440
It's so good.

1220
00:53:07.500 --> 00:53:09.059
Like, because there's...

1221
00:53:09.059 --> 00:53:11.159
You think you'll still get a telling off, though, from the

1222
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:11.579
Federation.

1223
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:13.260
No, I don't think so.

1224
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:14.280
I think he solved the problem.

1225
00:53:14.340 --> 00:53:15.539
Like, it was an accident.

1226
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:16.559
It wasn't his fault.

1227
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:23.579
The guy fell out of the thing, the guy, you know, the thing, you

1228
00:53:23.579 --> 00:53:26.099
know, the dark blind, malfunctioned, all of that sort of thing.

1229
00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:27.599
So no one's to blame for this.

1230
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:30.840
And he solved the problem.

1231
00:53:30.900 --> 00:53:34.559
And this, like, why would someone so advanced want to learn about

1232
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:34.980
us?

1233
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:37.380
And he says, well, because you're us.

1234
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:41.579
You know, we want to learn about you because we learn about us

1235
00:53:41.579 --> 00:53:42.179
that way.

1236
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:44.340
That's so great.

1237
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:45.659
Why would you hide from us?

1238
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:49.380
And then legally, because their presence affected us.

1239
00:53:49.860 --> 00:53:51.360
But he says the way it affected me.

1240
00:53:51.420 --> 00:53:52.380
Yeah.

1241
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:54.960
And so he can explain the prime directives to her and they can

1242
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:57.420
understand why why it's there.

1243
00:53:57.480 --> 00:53:59.519
But it doesn't.

1244
00:53:59.579 --> 00:54:01.920
Yeah, there's so much you could teach us.

1245
00:54:02.340 --> 00:54:04.980
And then he explains.

1246
00:54:05.219 --> 00:54:07.500
That woman on the right, look at her.

1247
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:09.000
She's like, I will be in shock.

1248
00:54:09.059 --> 00:54:11.039
I did get in the makeup chair. right?

1249
00:54:11.099 --> 00:54:13.679
She sort of edged into the show.

1250
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.280
Oh, not even the star.

1251
00:54:17.340 --> 00:54:18.539
It's wonderful, isn't it?

1252
00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:20.400
It's like we will see you there.

1253
00:54:20.460 --> 00:54:22.440
We will see you there one day.

1254
00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:28.619
So that cloth, even all of this, Nathan, this could be so twee.

1255
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:30.300
This could be so Sakarin.

1256
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:32.340
It's just so delicately done.

1257
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:35.639
Well, I just think the 2 of them are beautiful together, like him

1258
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:37.260
and her, like he's touching her hand.

1259
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:38.880
Do you know what I mean?

1260
00:54:38.940 --> 00:54:39.900
She's touching his hand.

1261
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.119
She, and he grabbed it before.

1262
00:54:42.179 --> 00:54:44.219
Remember my people and I always will.

1263
00:54:44.460 --> 00:54:49.139
His enormous hand in hers, just clutching her hand.

1264
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.300
That is just terrific.

1265
00:54:51.420 --> 00:54:53.460
So do you know where we've seen that cloth recently?

1266
00:54:55.260 --> 00:54:56.940
Picard?

1267
00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:00.900
No, it's on his chair in 1st contact.

1268
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:02.519
It's on the chair.

1269
00:55:02.579 --> 00:55:04.079
The Mintacon clock.

1270
00:55:04.139 --> 00:55:05.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1271
00:55:05.340 --> 00:55:06.840
Yeah, so they keyfad.

1272
00:55:06.900 --> 00:55:07.980
I don't think...

1273
00:55:07.980 --> 00:55:09.300
Oh, Ron Jones.

1274
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:12.659
And Marvin Rush was the director of photography in that one.

1275
00:55:12.780 --> 00:55:13.019
Okay.

1276
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:13.739
He's great.

1277
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:15.960
He went on to actually direct episodes.

1278
00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:17.340
He did the Thor.

1279
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:18.000
Oh, wow, okay.

1280
00:55:18.059 --> 00:55:20.219
I knew he had a good visual eye.

1281
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:21.360
Chip Chalmers.

1282
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:24.119
Chip Chalmers was 1st director assistant director.

1283
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:26.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1284
00:55:26.579 --> 00:55:28.800
Chip Chalmers did a lot of other work before we started.

1285
00:55:28.860 --> 00:55:30.480
He only directed a candle, didn't he?

1286
00:55:30.539 --> 00:55:33.539
But amongst them was one of your favourites.

1287
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:34.739
Take me out to the hola sweet.

1288
00:55:34.860 --> 00:55:35.820
Okay, yeah, yeah.

1289
00:55:36.659 --> 00:55:39.239
Another one where we're outside a lot.

1290
00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:43.679
That is just an absolute... so good, isn't it?

1291
00:55:43.739 --> 00:55:44.400
It's so good.

1292
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:47.820
I said fires on all cylinders at the start and just watching it

1293
00:55:47.820 --> 00:55:52.739
through again and taking it apart and the structure of it, the

1294
00:55:52.739 --> 00:55:57.900
language they use, the subtlety of the performances, the message

1295
00:55:57.900 --> 00:55:59.219
everything.

1296
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:01.139
It's just absolutely superb.

1297
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:01.800
So good.

1298
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:02.460
Yeah.

1299
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:06.119
I'm so pleased with, you know, how many times have we done this

1300
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.940
where I've raved about something and then we've watched it and

1301
00:56:08.940 --> 00:56:15.059
gone on, you know, what was I going through in my teens to think

1302
00:56:15.059 --> 00:56:15.900
that was a classic.

1303
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:19.440
That is a classic and yeah.

1304
00:56:19.500 --> 00:56:20.519
Wow.

1305
00:56:20.579 --> 00:56:22.980
Just a...

1306
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:32.219
All right, it's the end of the episode and so it's time for us to

1307
00:56:32.219 --> 00:56:34.619
find out where we're going next.

1308
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:39.300
It was my choice, this episode, and a truly excellent choice it

1309
00:56:39.300 --> 00:56:39.599
was.

1310
00:56:39.659 --> 00:56:43.380
And so I guess it's time for you to address the balance.

1311
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:45.000
What series?

1312
00:56:45.059 --> 00:56:46.980
Are we going to be choosing from this time?

1313
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:48.900
Please say enterprise.

1314
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:49.980
What am I like?

1315
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.320
Well, Enterprise will be in there.

1316
00:56:52.380 --> 00:56:53.940
What do I like to do every now and again?

1317
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:54.840
Everything.

1318
00:56:54.900 --> 00:56:56.280
That's right.

1319
00:56:56.340 --> 00:56:58.980
We never know where we're going to end up.

1320
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:02.400
Okey-dokey.

1321
00:57:02.460 --> 00:57:05.760
Oh, so, oh, no, it's, oh, God, it's so unmemorable.

1322
00:57:05.820 --> 00:57:07.019
I'd forgotten that we'd covered it.

1323
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:08.940
I was about to say, wow, that could be interesting.

1324
00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:13.019
Voyager, season four, episode six, the Raven.

1325
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:14.159
Oh, okay.

1326
00:57:14.219 --> 00:57:14.579
Yeah.

1327
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:15.119
Yeah.

1328
00:57:15.179 --> 00:57:16.559
I can barely remember doing that.

1329
00:57:16.619 --> 00:57:19.500
I do see it occasionally on our website and think, oh, we did that

1330
00:57:19.500 --> 00:57:19.860
did we?

1331
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:20.159
Okay.

1332
00:57:20.219 --> 00:57:23.519
I swear when I do this, you know, you set the parameters of the

1333
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:26.579
randomiser to episodes we've already done.

1334
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:30.900
Season one, episode 15 of Deep Space Nine Progress, which was

1335
00:57:30.900 --> 00:57:31.139
great.

1336
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:31.920
That was great.

1337
00:57:31.980 --> 00:57:34.500
You know, do you remember that big, ugly tree?

1338
00:57:37.019 --> 00:57:38.760
Oh, no.

1339
00:57:38.820 --> 00:57:40.800
Oh this is a terrible episode.

1340
00:57:40.860 --> 00:57:42.000
Oh, we have to do it.

1341
00:57:42.059 --> 00:57:42.780
Do we have to go?

1342
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:49.739
I'm really just got loads of Rosalyn Chow in it, so that's a good

1343
00:57:49.739 --> 00:57:49.980
thing.

1344
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:54.840
It's D-space 9, season six, episode 24.

1345
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:56.820
Times Orphan.

1346
00:57:56.880 --> 00:57:59.219
Oh, no.

1347
00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:03.960
It's the one where Molly falls down that portal and then gets sent

1348
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:04.679
back to them.

1349
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.079
A feral adult.

1350
00:58:07.139 --> 00:58:08.099
Yeah, yeah.

1351
00:58:08.099 --> 00:58:10.559
I mean, are you in a mood for that?

1352
00:58:10.619 --> 00:58:11.760
I don't know.

1353
00:58:11.820 --> 00:58:13.500
I might be in the mood for it next time.

1354
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:14.519
Maybe.

1355
00:58:14.579 --> 00:58:19.739
I just, I just remember this, this scene of them, because

1356
00:58:19.739 --> 00:58:21.179
obviously they have to re-educate her.

1357
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:25.980
She been on that planet ages and she's, you know, she's a savage

1358
00:58:25.980 --> 00:58:26.159
basically.

1359
00:58:26.219 --> 00:58:26.760
Yeah.

1360
00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:30.659
Keiko's got this ball and she's going, it's like play school.

1361
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:35.039
This is a ball, Marley, which you like the ball, Marley?

1362
00:58:35.099 --> 00:58:36.179
No.

1363
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:36.900
Oh, no.

1364
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:39.360
But do you know I know you, though?

1365
00:58:39.420 --> 00:58:40.920
You watch this shit.

1366
00:58:40.980 --> 00:58:42.659
And I'll find something out.

1367
00:58:43.500 --> 00:58:45.780
Oh, there was these great moments in it.

1368
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:49.739
I almost want to watch it, but actually, we haven't done too many

1369
00:58:49.739 --> 00:58:51.179
shit, DS9s, have we?

1370
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:52.380
No, not for a while.

1371
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:55.920
Oh no, the last one we did was move along home.

1372
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:02.340
I might have to reevaluate my feelings on this show.

1373
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:04.739
I quite fancy it actually.

1374
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:05.519
Would you reckon?

1375
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:06.360
Let's do it.

1376
00:59:06.420 --> 00:59:06.659
Why not?

1377
00:59:06.780 --> 00:59:09.239
We've done a lot this time, but who cares?

1378
00:59:09.300 --> 00:59:10.440
We've got a lot more to do yet.

1379
00:59:10.500 --> 00:59:11.340
Exactly.

1380
00:59:12.659 --> 00:59:15.239
Would you like the bottle, Nathan?

1381
00:59:15.300 --> 00:59:17.099
I would like...

1382
01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:11.699
Oh, boy, oh, boy.

1383
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:13.559
If you love that, all right.

1384
01:00:13.619 --> 01:00:15.239
So, yeah.

1385
01:00:15.300 --> 01:00:19.260
So I'm the person who loved section 31.

1386
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:23.159
Because everyone else heard it.

1387
01:00:24.059 --> 01:00:27.599
I mean, I mean, even I'm surprised.

1388
01:00:27.659 --> 01:00:31.980
Even I'm surprised that it's been as people have been as harsh as

1389
01:00:31.980 --> 01:00:32.460
they have.

1390
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:33.900
I haven't seen it.

1391
01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:39.480
I mean, it's it's very odd.

1392
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:40.679
Do you know what I mean?

1393
01:00:40.739 --> 01:00:44.699
Like it's not a movie and there's too many characters. look

1394
01:00:44.699 --> 01:00:45.059
amazing?

1395
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:46.079
Yeah, it looks really great.

1396
01:00:46.139 --> 01:00:51.300
Like it's, but it's sort of a bit of a sort of grim, you know, like

1397
01:00:51.300 --> 01:00:54.480
it's, it's basically kind of suicide squad.

1398
01:00:54.539 --> 01:00:56.940
It's kind of like if you'd had another series, like you're doing

1399
01:00:56.940 --> 01:01:00.599
Strange New Worlds, you're doing lower decks and then you're kind

1400
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:03.719
of doing this and it, like it was a series, like they introduce

1401
01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:07.739
like these 7 characters who are all really high concept in like

1402
01:01:07.739 --> 01:01:09.539
fun, new ways.

1403
01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:16.619
Um, There's this Irish Vulcan, who's really, the Tesla, a robot

1404
01:01:16.619 --> 01:01:22.619
driven by a tiny microscopic person in a pod.

1405
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:29.340
He's got like a really super annoying Irish accent and he's

1406
01:01:29.340 --> 01:01:30.000
terribly gay.

1407
01:01:30.059 --> 01:01:38.159
And, and like, um, uh, Michelle, you know, cousin Michelle's

1408
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:42.239
running a bar and she's got, she's got this little gay Twinkie guy

1409
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:47.880
who is her kind of sidekick who is one of the aliens from let that

1410
01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:49.559
be your last battlefield.

1411
01:01:49.619 --> 01:01:51.840
So yeah, off his face is black.

1412
01:01:53.699 --> 01:01:57.480
And he's super gay, like he's fabulously gay.

1413
01:01:57.539 --> 01:01:59.940
There's nothing they won't do.

1414
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:03.719
And like, so you've got too many characters and stuff. they

1415
01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:04.500
introduce them all.

1416
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:07.500
There's that really, really funny guy who I 1st seen from Veep, who

1417
01:02:07.500 --> 01:02:10.380
has been in other things, but I can't remember his name, and he's

1418
01:02:10.380 --> 01:02:10.860
really great.

1419
01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:14.639
And he's like a change shape shifter or whatever.

1420
01:02:14.820 --> 01:02:20.039
And the male lead is like super handsome and he's like an augment

1421
01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:22.920
and everyone has these sort of massive kind of backstories and

1422
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:23.159
stuff.

1423
01:02:23.219 --> 01:02:27.000
And it is just, you know, the, the, we're setting up a show where

1424
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:32.579
the federation sends them off to do, um, like heists and shit and

1425
01:02:32.579 --> 01:02:36.719
like find, you know, like stop this bioweapon going on the market

1426
01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:37.559
or whatever.

1427
01:02:37.619 --> 01:02:42.780
And so, so it's not section 31 in the, you know, brutal leftist

1428
01:02:42.780 --> 01:02:48.119
critique of American imperialism, of deep safe side, or the shitty

1429
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:48.780
version.

1430
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:49.920
Is it Suicide Squad?

1431
01:02:49.980 --> 01:02:51.900
That's what Montanason said, I think.

1432
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:55.380
Because then, because there's the Enterprise version of Section 31

1433
01:02:55.380 --> 01:02:58.260
which is just that guy in a flashing Mac on the top of a fucking

1434
01:02:58.260 --> 01:03:00.780
building talking to Reed.

1435
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:01.679
Do you know what I mean?

1436
01:03:01.739 --> 01:03:03.659
Like that sort of shitty version.

1437
01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:07.199
And so this is not, this isn't proper section 31 and section 31

1438
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:10.320
was a bit more gritty and stuff in, you know, discovery series 2.

1439
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:14.460
But here it's fun section 31 and so they're just going to do

1440
01:03:14.460 --> 01:03:15.300
heists every week.

1441
01:03:15.420 --> 01:03:18.059
And so I forget that stuff what's happening anyway.

1442
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:21.420
Like, do you know when Sloan turned up in Bashir's quarters?

1443
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:25.139
And he set out this enormous political chess game before the

1444
01:03:25.139 --> 01:03:28.619
episode's even started and this year is just basically playing all

1445
01:03:28.619 --> 01:03:30.840
the moves that have been set out for him.

1446
01:03:30.900 --> 01:03:34.019
Like, that's really fun and really great and all that politicing.

1447
01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:37.199
But I figured all of this suicide squad stuff was happening as

1448
01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:37.380
well.

1449
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:38.219
Yeah, yeah.

1450
01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:40.559
I mean, it's just a romp, like, consistent, sort of romp.

1451
01:03:40.619 --> 01:03:43.139
And I guess the weird thing about it is, like, you go in there

1452
01:03:43.139 --> 01:03:47.460
expecting a film, but what you really get is kind of like, it's a

1453
01:03:47.460 --> 01:03:49.739
little bit like serenity.

1454
01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:54.000
You know how serenity is like Firefly season two.

1455
01:03:54.059 --> 01:03:57.900
Yeah, but it's all sort of condensed into a film and so it doesn't

1456
01:03:57.900 --> 01:04:00.179
really kind of work or make much sense.

1457
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:03.059
And like surrounding is better than this, I think, probably.

1458
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:08.519
But this is kind of like series one of new Star Trek spinoff that

1459
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:12.780
would have happened, if it hadn't have been for COVID and, you

1460
01:04:12.780 --> 01:04:16.139
know, cousin Michelle's availability now that she's won an Oscar.

1461
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:22.260
And so, um, so they don't do enough to turn it into a film.

1462
01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:25.559
And so so like there are too many people in it.

1463
01:04:25.619 --> 01:04:28.920
It doesn't really sort of properly work in all sorts of ways.

1464
01:04:28.980 --> 01:04:32.280
But I think I would have watched the shit out of it had it been a

1465
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:32.699
series.

1466
01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:36.360
Like, I just think it would have been fun. people should watch it

1467
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:37.380
that way, though.

1468
01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:39.780
It was like, this is effectively like a pilot.

1469
01:04:39.780 --> 01:04:41.039
Yeah.

1470
01:04:41.099 --> 01:04:43.920
Well, yeah, I mean, I think that's the worst thing about it is

1471
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:47.219
that it just, that it doesn't do what it promises to do.

1472
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:50.400
It doesn't really, there's hard to, you know, the only reason to

1473
01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:51.900
do this now.

1474
01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:54.900
The reaction has been really hostile.

1475
01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:58.920
These people don't understand Star Trek at all.

1476
01:04:58.980 --> 01:05:00.300
What does that even mean?

1477
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:02.639
What are you people talking about?

1478
01:05:02.699 --> 01:05:05.639
But Star Trek can be lots of different things.

1479
01:05:05.699 --> 01:05:07.260
Do you know what I mean?

1480
01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:10.260
Like, but, but like we just watched, so we've just watched an

1481
01:05:10.260 --> 01:05:12.599
episode that is very centrally Star Trek, which is the space

1482
01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:13.440
problems people.

1483
01:05:13.500 --> 01:05:16.139
And then go and watch Change in Face of Evil.

1484
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:17.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1485
01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:17.880
That's right.

1486
01:05:17.940 --> 01:05:19.139
Utterly different.

1487
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:19.739
Yeah.

1488
01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:23.760
And so, and and you've got Rachel Garrett as well is one of the

1489
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:28.679
characters, but it's set, you know, long before the battle or

1490
01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:29.039
whatever.

1491
01:05:29.099 --> 01:05:33.659
I haven't quite got the timelines there. but she's much younger.

1492
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:36.059
We know what's going to happen to her with that big bit of

1493
01:05:36.059 --> 01:05:36.719
shrapnel.

1494
01:05:36.780 --> 01:05:39.300
Shrapnel in a head. knife in a head that comes out of the

1495
01:05:39.300 --> 01:05:40.019
exploding thing.

1496
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:41.699
And they do allude to that.

1497
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:44.639
It is definitely the character and her job is she's the Starfleet

1498
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:47.699
person who has to kind of rein them in a beard.

1499
01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:51.659
Um, But she's sort of cool and stuff as well.

1500
01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:52.500
I don't know.

1501
01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:54.239
I will give it a watch.

1502
01:05:54.300 --> 01:05:55.500
I'll give it a watch.

1503
01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:56.099
Yeah.

1504
01:05:56.159 --> 01:06:00.780
It just isn't the atrocity that everyone kind of claimed it was, I

1505
01:06:00.780 --> 01:06:00.960
think.

1506
01:06:01.019 --> 01:06:02.460
I thought it was pretty fun.

1507
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:03.719
Never are.

1508
01:06:03.780 --> 01:06:05.219
No, no.

1509
01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:07.079
Except a night in Sick Bay.

1510
01:06:07.139 --> 01:06:09.179
Which is really great.