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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, this week, we're back aboard Deep Space Nine, which is a place

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where we like to be, but we are in series one, episode 10, a very

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early episode. famous episodes.

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And a very famous one, one that is not super highly regarded, I

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think.

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It's series one, episode 10.

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Move along home.

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A la Marie.

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So, I have to say that I didn't hate this, and for a while I

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thought it was reasonably good.

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I think it falls to pieces and I think the biggest problem with it

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is that it's really early.

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No one's nailed how to do it yet.

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No one's performance is right.

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You know, everything is kind of odd.

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But I mean, we were chatting about this the other night.

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And I don't think that every episode of Deep Space 9 needs to be

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duet or progress or in the hands of the prophets.

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These is a perfectly reasonable thing for Deep Space 9 to attempt

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to do, but it doesn't really come off, does it?

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Well, by the time DS9 gets his acting over, we're doing episodes

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like this, you know, the quirky sidestep comedy, sort of episode

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but we're doing one little ship, where a tiny shrunken runabout is

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zooming about, blasting Gemadil's to death, or take me out to the

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hollow suite, that fabulous baseball episode, and in last season

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you know, these are faltering early steps. for DS9.

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But I do have one very positive thing to say about this, if I may

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because I wish to make a comparison between this and a TV show you

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know nothing about.

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Is it better?

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Babylon 5.

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And I wish to insanely use move on home as the reason why DS9 is

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infinitely superior to Babylon 5.

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Because when Babylon 5 is bad, right?

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Like, move along home is bad, it's shit, it's kind of fun, but

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it's really shit.

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When Babylon 5 is shit.

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It's just really boring, right?

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Because it doesn't do quirky things like this.

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It does the same things it's always doing because it just has a

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template.

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But in a really dull, worthy, sort of serious kind of a way, you

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know, the worst kind of television.

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Whereas when Star Trek in the 90s is bad, you know, I'll throw in

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Genesis and Sub Rosa and move along home, I mean, it's truly

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abysmal television, right?

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Absolutely not the TV that you'd show to your friends to say, watch

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this show.

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But it's just weird and idiosyncratic, and it's got some

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personality to it, and it fails in all kinds of ways, but I love

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the fact that they tried, you know, and they said, we're not just

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going to do politics and we're not just going to do this.

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We're going to try all these different flavours and see what

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works.

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And that is why, that is why I think DS9 is better than Babylon.

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It just puts on so many more hats, you know, and as a result, I

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think it's a more engaging experience because you never quite know

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what you're going to get.

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You probably shouldn't get this, but you do, and we should be

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grateful for it.

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I think that there is a story here somewhere that just doesn't

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quite come off, and part of it's clearly for budgetary reasons, and

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there is a kind of lack of imagination about how to kind of

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realise things.

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But clearly it's our 1st contact with a race from the Gamma

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Quadrant, and it's a race that has a sort of very Star Trek

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quirk.

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You know, they're obsessed with games and they think about things

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in terms of games.

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And it's fun.

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That was a fun idea.

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Yeah, that's fun.

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But it turns out that Quark is well equipped to deal with them and

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that the Starfleet crew, whose job it is to make 1st contact, are

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very bad at it to the point where they don't understand what's

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going on when it comes to, you know, finding themselves involved

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in the game and they don't understand that a game is supposed to

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be fun and that people don't generally get killed in the course of

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a normal game.

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And so their Starfleet way of reacting to the game doesn't really

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work very well, whereas Quarks works a bit better.

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But even that I'm probably trying to read something worthwhile

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into it, but there is something there.

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Like that's almost a thing.

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And it's muddied by the fact that it's just terribly badly

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realised and it doesn't quite come off.

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But it doesn't seem to me to be a completely misconceived idea.

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I agree.

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I think this would make a fantastic, strange New Worlds episode.

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This concept, you know, with those characters where you can

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visualise it in such a brilliant way now.

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This could be absolutely fantastic, but I do think they would

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realise that the Starfleet people were, the players maybe about 5

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minutes into the episode.

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It takes us about 25 minutes for our characters here to realise

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what's going on.

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I was going, come on now, and there's even a shot of quark.

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It's so dumb, court going, and then the camera pans really slowly

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over to the pieces, like we hadn't figured it out.

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I like, we've been doing it for 20 minutes, for God's sakes, you

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know?

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Like, this is not the sort of episode that they would do, maybe

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even from like series 2 onwards.

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I don't think they would touch something like Move Along Home.

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Because this is something you could do on, Voyager, this is

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something you could do on TNG.

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And they did push away from that a lot when they realised what

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they could do on this show.

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But in all of these experiments that they're doing in one.

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So Q coming along, Mrs. Troy coming along, all these sort of TNG

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knockoffs that they're doing.

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I do think this is probably the most fun idea of all.

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You're right, though.

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It's just so cheap.

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It's so cheap. and their imagination doesn't extend beyond glowing

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balls and choking gas and stock cave set number 58, which we're

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going to spend a lot of time in. is terrible, the worst thing

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about the episode, I think.

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Although the melodramatic slow motion fall, and we'll get there is

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absolutely hilarious because they all literally, no one's who

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needed jeopardy.

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They just throw themselves off.

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I've had enough of this bullshit.

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I'm going over But yeah, I mean, I think I think we'll probably

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find some nice things to say, but we'll mostly be going, oh, what

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were they thinking?

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Yeah, I think so.

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I think so.

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One other thing there was a recent episode last year, series 4 of

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Lower Decks, called in the Cradle of Vexilon, where the B plot

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involved, I think basically everyone except Boemler, getting the

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job of cleaning out a sort of artefacts store on the ship, and

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there is a game of Chula in that.

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And I think Rutherford briefly participates in the game and we get

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to see little child. whatever.

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Lower decks would not forget move along home.

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Everyone else is trying to forget about it, but lower deck, so

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cherry pick, the best and the worst.

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Yeah, absolutely I just want to like maybe that mouth just turn up

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just one time and go, move along, move along home in the lower

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decks episode.

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That would be quite fun.

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Well, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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Yes, please.

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Oh, I mean, I just can't wait to watch it again with you.

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I mean, I was spending the majority of the episode sort of shaking

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my head going, oh, dear.

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Also thinking, I can't wait to talk about this for Nathan.

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All right.

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In that case, I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I mean, I would say there's more to this than dramatis persona, you

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know, there was just nothing to that at all.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, that was a sort of weird high concept thing, wasn't it?

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Look how just, um, unthreatening Avery is in this seat.

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So, so I think the scene is adorable partly because, um, he little

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Zurich is so tiny and so adorable and it's quite...

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I'd like to address this because people have, you know, come to

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think that I have a thing about children, all right, in TV shows

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because I spend so much of my podcast in time, criticising

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dreadful children actors.

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He is so good.

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He's so good.

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He is.

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He is pretty good.

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He is pretty great.

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Um, this is very cute though.

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I mean, he's so tiny and, you know, he leaves the show 7 years

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later.

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He's sort of over 6 foot tall.

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Oh, but he a molf.

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Well, he's still sort of fairly slim.

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He's not enormous, but he's and, you know, he's an attractive

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young man by that point.

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Here he's just kind of adorable.

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And this, I think, is really important and I was expecting it to

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pay off at the end of the episode and it doesn't.

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And the reason for this is, of course, it's setting up the B plot

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in the Nagus, which we've already talked about, which I think is

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absolutely beautiful, like really, really stunningly great. doesn't

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it?

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The bit where Cisco discovers Jake teaching him to read. and just

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silently smiles and leaves away.

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Because even here, you know, there's some idea, like he calls him

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the Ferengi boy and he's kind of racist and dismissive about him

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while he's having this conversation about 1st contact with another

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alien race.

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And it's Jake, who, in that plot, is really properly making

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contact with a new species.

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You know, like, I think, like, that's a beautiful subplot, you can

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hear our episode on that, hear us talk about it because I thought

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it was really great, but I'm glad that that's what that's doing

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they were making the parallels here.

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I mean, you just gave it a brilliant reading there.

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Is that deliberate?

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Well, I think in the Nagus, yeah, I think so because he's a

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Starfleet person.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And it's our job to forge alliances and friendships and stuff

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between species and he's doing it.

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And, you know, like, it's that wonderful mode, isn't it, where he

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kind of discovers that his son is so much better than he expected

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him to be, that his son is a marvellous, loving, kind young man.

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I think it's beautiful.

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But also as well, you think about where Nog and Cisco end up as

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well.

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Like he's saying something, I don't want you to hang out with that

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kid.

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The last act he does in the very last episode is to recommend Nog

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for a lieutenant's pip.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Can I just say as well, Bashir, right?

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Bashir and Kira in this episode?

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Because absolute, Kira, they now, somewhere in the middle of

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season one, like, yeah, they, but there are some, she's not, he

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yeah, faltering early stemstone.

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In this episode, she's just pissed.

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She's just angry.

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That's her character in this.

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But she, my God.

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They don't nail him until about two-thirds of the way through

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series two.

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That's when they figure out how to write him and Sid really

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figures out how to play him.

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And there's moments before that.

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But this and the passenger is probably the Nadir of Dr. Bashir in

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Star Trek.

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Yeah, oh, he's terrible in this.

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It's like really quite terrible.

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I really candy reaction he does.

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Yeah, no, I just think he doesn't know how to play it at all.

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And it's really bad.

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Like, he's quite terrible and much, much worse than I remember.

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We've seen series one episodes with him in it, but I think he's

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particularly bad here.

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I do remember him being bad in the passenger, which is around

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about now, isn't it?

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That's when he gets to play evil and has the immortal lion.

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Not at all, gentlemen.

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I've been expecting you.

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Yeah, I wondered whether he'd watched Doctor Who or something. you

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know, like because he's playing it in that sort of slightly too

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big a way.

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I mean, you know, Star Trek is played slightly big.

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It's not played sort of purely naturalistically, but he's too

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big.

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He's really good with him, don't they?

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That he is a more interesting character when paired up with other

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gray characters.

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So they realise he's brilliant when he's with O'Brien.

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They learn that as they go.

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He's brilliant with Garak.

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So they learn that as they go.

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But they're just not there.

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You know, so they're just writing him as arrogant Starfleet doctor

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who's a bit camp.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he improves, like that he plays it so much better.

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I think even Terry is not very good in this.

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No, I thought I didn't even think Nanole was that great.

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The bit where she goes, the bit where she goes, this is not what I

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signed up for.

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So bad.

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That was exactly the bit I was about to mention as well.

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It's terrible What's the scriptwriter reading?

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when he heard this script together.

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But it wasn't just the script.

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I mean, that is a weird thing for her to say, a weird thing for

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Kira to say, I'm a Bajoran administrator.

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I didn't sign up for this.

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It's like you're a fucking terrorist.

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Like, what are you talking about?

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Remember in progress that we watched where she was like, I don't

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want to be a fucking administrator.

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I'm stuck with this job, right?

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But it was her performance was just not very good.

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And, like, I don't remember noticing that stuff in the Nagas.

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See, even there's even scenes here that Armond kind of flubs as

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well. that really surprised me.

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I mean, I think he's mostly great.

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And they've realised, yeah, they've realised they've got a super

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weapon in Armin Shimmerman and Quark because Quark is an

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arsehole.

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And we've never really had an arsehole as a regular before like

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this.

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So they really lean into it in series one and give him lots of, but

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there's a bit towards the end of this episode, which is just

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cringe.

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Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.

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So this is fallow and he's the leader of the Wadi.

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And clearly as well, we're experimenting with how we can make our

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aliens look.

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How do you think this comes off?

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Where would you put this on the bow mask scale?

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I think I'd give them maybe a 7.5 , you know?

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They've got, you know, sort of weird tattoos on their heads, but

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that's it.

302
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That's perhaps not such a great choice, I think, the weird tattoos

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on the head, I have to say.

304
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Well, if they don't have the tattoos.

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I've got nothing.

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They've just got a costume.

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Yeah, they just look like people.

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That might be okay, though. people with sort of swept back

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luxurious hair.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And sort of spangly clothes and stuff.

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I mean, you know, it is a, it's, we've decided not to do latex

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this week and that's kind of a great relief, but I just don't know

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and it's telling that we tend not to do aliens like this again.

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This is the week we choose to allow to see the actors' faces this

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week of all the weeks where we couldn't have slapped latex on

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people's face.

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Oh I did love this line.

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There's some great lines here where he goes, 0 no.

320
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I've got enough sticks.

321
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Thank you very much.

322
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

323
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This is about the drink.

324
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One man's.

325
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What is it?

326
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One man's neck is another man's poison or something.

327
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

328
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I actually think, and again.

329
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So we actually see Quak making 1st contact after Cisco is checked

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out.

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Um, and and so there is something there.

332
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We later see quite going on sort of delegations, don't we?

333
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Like he goes into the gamma quadrant and stuff.

334
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A couple times, yeah.

335
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Well, I mean, he's forced to.

336
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He's blackmailed mostly.

337
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

338
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But recognising that he has something that they don't. those

339
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gemstones, right?

340
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It's like the cheapest looking, you know, crappy stones that you

341
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can buy in any, knock off. gone to a new age shop. store, yeah.

342
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Eyes glittering, you know?

343
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Oh, I see, I kind of like every bit with Cisco before he goes in

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the game.

345
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Because I like this as well.

346
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I was remembering 1st contact and learning about it.

347
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Yeah, and all of that.

348
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I just like it when he hangs with Cork.

349
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Yeah, yeah.

350
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I mean, I quite like, you know, he's fed up.

351
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He's he's done it.

352
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And we haven't seen Starfleet, people be like this very much.

353
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It's kind of like, no, I just want to go to bed.

354
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This is tedious.

355
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Yeah, like actual morning and stuff.

356
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I can't imagine a more uncomfortable looking bed than what they

357
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have on DS Noid.

358
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Oh, really?

359
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Have you seen them?

360
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Yeah, they've got these all weird triangular cushions that are

361
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only about an inch thick.

362
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And it's basically like a bio bit.

363
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It's horrible.

364
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Oh, really?

365
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I mean, I think the costumier has gone crazy in this episode.

366
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They're all wearing good.

367
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You know that's great.

368
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Lots of Spangly stuff.

369
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This guy, I can't work out.

370
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I don't think that's a press on moustache, but I think it might be

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enhanced.

372
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Do you think?

373
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Um, follow's moustache.

374
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Like, it looks real, except the ends of it.

375
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It's got a sort of Anthony Ainley-ish look about it, but that's

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such a niche reference that you Star Trek fans will understand

377
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that.

378
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No, we talk about BBC Press on beards quite a lot in Doctor Who

379
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fandom and so that's a sort of thing that we have here.

380
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But like, I actually think that he plays it really well, doesn't

381
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he?

382
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He's pretty good, this guy.

383
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Oh, no, I think he's brilliant, and he has to do some pretty weird

384
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stuff going on, you know, all that sort of laughing away in that

385
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smoky room and all that.

386
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But I love this where he goes, break.

387
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You just ripped a ball swindler, you know, as he's...

388
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I always knew you was up to no good, but it is good that the

389
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what's his name?

390
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Fallow, the wadi, the guy's in charge of the wadi.

391
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He's smart enough to just recognise straight away he's being

392
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conned, isn't he?

393
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And that's what the game looks like it's going to be, but now here

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we have the sort of 2nd scene and maybe the last scene, isn't it

395
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of this B plot with Jake and Cisco.

396
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And like, he's the one who is clearly being unreasonable.

397
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Like Cisco's clearly being unreasonable.

398
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I've done nothing for the last 6 hours, but eat Frankie Lokar

399
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beans and watch people play childish games.

400
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All right, that sounds like a pretty good job to me.

401
00:19:16.380 --> 00:19:17.579
Yeah, yeah.

402
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But the childish games thing too.

403
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Do you know what I mean?

404
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That he's dismissive of games, right?

405
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Um, because he doesn't understand them and, and, you know, like he

406
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can't operate in that world.

407
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Whereas Quiet can.

408
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And so Quark is valuable to him in a way that he perhaps doesn't

409
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realise.

410
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And what looks like this episode's going to be is that causes a

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diplomatic incident by cheating.

412
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Yeah.

413
00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:47.279
And then it immediately reverses, doesn't it?

414
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No, we're going to play our game now.

415
00:19:49.140 --> 00:19:50.039
Yeah, yeah.

416
00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:53.700
Which, again, I don't think is a bad premise.

417
00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:55.799
No, no, I don't think it is either.

418
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And I even think that the idea of having the players, I think, part

419
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of the problem, here are the problems, I think.

420
00:20:03.420 --> 00:20:06.480
The Chula, it's called Chula, I think the game.

421
00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:15.539
Um, the board and the environment share no kind of um, you know

422
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similarities.

423
00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:21.660
Like they don't, you can't, like you, they don't look similar.

424
00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:24.960
There's no visual cues that associates them.

425
00:20:25.019 --> 00:20:27.960
I think the board for Chula is actually pretty good.

426
00:20:28.019 --> 00:20:29.759
Oh, I think it looks really good.

427
00:20:29.819 --> 00:20:32.279
And the way it just appears into the set.

428
00:20:32.339 --> 00:20:33.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

429
00:20:34.019 --> 00:20:38.400
But I think what's good about it is that we can see the different

430
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shaps, like the levels are important and so we see the shaps

431
00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:45.839
they're clearly visible, but it's just massive.

432
00:20:45.900 --> 00:20:46.619
It's massive.

433
00:20:47.579 --> 00:20:52.740
You know, they love these sort of geometric shapes in 90s, don't

434
00:20:52.740 --> 00:20:52.920
they?

435
00:20:52.980 --> 00:20:56.160
But it's like an enormous version of that chess game that spot

436
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plays.

437
00:20:56.700 --> 00:20:58.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

438
00:20:58.500 --> 00:21:03.420
But also you can shoot through it at the characters.

439
00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.720
So the characters are frequently standing behind it and it's in

440
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front of them without obscuring their faces.

441
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And so no one's looking down at a board on the table.

442
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Instead, you're looking at this prop, and I think that works

443
00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:17.400
really well.

444
00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:22.680
Well, the thing I really didn't like about this was, you're right

445
00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:26.220
there's no visualisation on the board of what's happening in the

446
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actual game itself.

447
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And there's no ball game in the world where you wouldn't visualise

448
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what's going on.

449
00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:36.359
So what pleasure does the person playing get from this game?

450
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If you can't see what the others are doing, All you can see is

451
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that you're moving bits around this board and occasionally

452
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knocking them over.

453
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And he goes, oh, I can see why people love playing this game.

454
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Why?

455
00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:50.039
No, it makes no sense.

456
00:21:50.099 --> 00:21:51.839
And they don't sell.

457
00:21:51.900 --> 00:21:53.700
Yeah, this is a good shot.

458
00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:55.079
I did like this shot, yeah.

459
00:21:55.140 --> 00:21:56.460
I mean, more try.

460
00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:57.779
They love a triangle, don't they?

461
00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:00.599
But also it sells the board game thing.

462
00:22:00.660 --> 00:22:03.599
You know, it's like, you know, there's like spots on a board.

463
00:22:03.660 --> 00:22:05.519
Like, I think that works really well.

464
00:22:05.579 --> 00:22:08.819
It was the older moment where I was like, oh, my God, with more

465
00:22:08.819 --> 00:22:12.299
money and a bit a lot more imagination, they could do this.

466
00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:14.220
It just wasn't enough of it.

467
00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:17.640
It's just too many of these gold corridors and rock faces.

468
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It's horribly 90s.

469
00:22:19.740 --> 00:22:22.440
You know how we talked about Ferengi Love songs a couple of weeks

470
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ago and just how hideous the sets were on Ferengi, like Moogie's

471
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house and stuff like that?

472
00:22:29.460 --> 00:22:33.299
That was full of wit and character, whereas this has none at all.

473
00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:36.420
No, but this, like, it's so 90s.

474
00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:38.640
It's so upsettingly 90s that's sad.

475
00:22:38.700 --> 00:22:41.700
It's sort of supposed to look golden luxurious, but it just looks

476
00:22:41.700 --> 00:22:42.960
cheap, you know?

477
00:22:43.019 --> 00:22:45.779
The sets feel really cramped as well.

478
00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:46.980
Yeah, yeah.

479
00:22:47.099 --> 00:22:49.440
That shot coming up made it feel like it was a big room.

480
00:22:49.500 --> 00:22:51.180
It's a tiny room.

481
00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:51.599
Yeah.

482
00:22:51.660 --> 00:22:52.980
You know.

483
00:22:53.339 --> 00:22:56.640
Look, take a good look at this corridor because we're going to be

484
00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:58.799
wandering around them for some time, okay?

485
00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:05.700
Oh, that's a bit now, Webb, but she was going, oh, oh, what is

486
00:23:05.700 --> 00:23:06.359
going on?

487
00:23:06.420 --> 00:23:08.759
I thought he was having an orgasm.

488
00:23:08.819 --> 00:23:09.960
I was like what is going on?

489
00:23:10.019 --> 00:23:12.119
Or being tortured?

490
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don't know.

491
00:23:12.779 --> 00:23:17.579
Oh no, he's yelling in his dream to weigh himself up. against the

492
00:23:17.579 --> 00:23:17.940
wall.

493
00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:19.619
Yeah, against the wall.

494
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But yeah.

495
00:23:21.299 --> 00:23:21.960
Yeah.

496
00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:24.180
Oh, here's fallow. move along.

497
00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:25.799
Move along.

498
00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:29.460
Poor A for folks.

499
00:23:29.579 --> 00:23:30.240
Oh, God.

500
00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:33.960
We will talk about my favourite scene, the Alamoraine scene, which

501
00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:35.339
I do love that scene.

502
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:39.119
But you can see the point where everybody, literally, you can see

503
00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:42.660
the point, the look on his face where he's like, get my fucking

504
00:23:42.660 --> 00:23:44.519
agent on the phone now.

505
00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:46.619
I want out of this contract.

506
00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:52.740
But I mean, so the thing, see, he's terrible in this scene, poor

507
00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:53.519
old Sid.

508
00:23:53.579 --> 00:23:55.140
He's, oh, look at that.

509
00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:57.779
I mean, just horrible, horrible overacting.

510
00:23:57.900 --> 00:24:01.559
I thought I was having a nightmare, so did we watching this

511
00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:01.799
episode.

512
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:08.220
Oh, and then no, in fact, look, this is Kira's angry bit as well

513
00:24:08.220 --> 00:24:08.579
isn't it?

514
00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:10.259
All of them are just terrible in this.

515
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:13.500
They're all terrible And I don't know what they expected.

516
00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:15.960
I mean, Star Trek is kind of like this.

517
00:24:16.019 --> 00:24:20.640
Like, you know, I've seen 60 Star Trek. don't know.

518
00:24:20.700 --> 00:24:23.880
You know, so be beamed into games when things like this happens on

519
00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:24.660
every starship.

520
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:25.920
Yeah, yeah.

521
00:24:25.980 --> 00:24:31.019
The thing that I saw it compared to was fear is that fear?

522
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:33.059
Oh, that was glorious, though.

523
00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:36.839
Yeah, yeah, but it's another one where it's a sort of artificial

524
00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:42.660
environment. that, uh, you know, that operates under some kind of

525
00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:45.779
you know, there's game like elements to a.

526
00:24:45.779 --> 00:24:48.420
But you know what they did with, uh, with that episode?

527
00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:51.119
They brought in a cinematographer to do it.

528
00:24:51.180 --> 00:24:54.660
So there was movement and weird stuff going on all the time.

529
00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:58.380
There was so much visual interest that who cares what the plot is

530
00:24:58.380 --> 00:25:00.119
and the plot's pretty good in that episode as well.

531
00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.900
And the villains, what Michael McCain, who is just the best person

532
00:25:03.900 --> 00:25:05.160
ever I adore.

533
00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:08.640
I'll say avoid your episodes better than a DS91, but when this is

534
00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:10.740
the DS91, well, here we are.

535
00:25:10.859 --> 00:25:12.359
Yeah, yeah.

536
00:25:12.420 --> 00:25:15.359
Nice luxurious shots of the station there.

537
00:25:15.420 --> 00:25:16.259
Oh my word.

538
00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:17.519
This man primman.

539
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:19.500
He's only in 2 episodes, okay?

540
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.259
They bring him in. and the passenger.

541
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:24.900
Yeah, 2 absolute bangers.

542
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:27.779
No, but this scene's cute.

543
00:25:27.779 --> 00:25:29.640
Like this scene is adorable.

544
00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:32.220
So Premium's not here yet.

545
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:38.460
This is Jake comes in to speak to Odo and says my father's gone.

546
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:39.900
Where is he?

547
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:41.279
And he's so cute.

548
00:25:41.339 --> 00:25:43.319
He says, like, school's not on.

549
00:25:43.380 --> 00:25:46.380
Because Mrs. O'Brien, because O'Brien's not in this episode.

550
00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:50.640
And so he's going somewhere with Nog.

551
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:55.019
And Renee, I mean, Ono immediately goes, look at girls and they

552
00:25:55.019 --> 00:26:01.019
look, little, little, he smiles, and he can't, he can't stop

553
00:26:01.019 --> 00:26:02.940
himself from smiling.

554
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.380
He's so, so cute.

555
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:07.920
The only way that thing could be more Sakarin would be if the door

556
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:10.019
opened and little Molly walks in and went.

557
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:11.339
Have you seen my daddy?

558
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.539
Well, I think I just think he's cute.

559
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:17.160
I think he looks younger than 14.

560
00:26:17.460 --> 00:26:22.799
But whatever. that's fine It's just he's a kid actor that just

561
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:27.779
isn't annoying and that I'm learning and the more I podcast and

562
00:26:27.779 --> 00:26:30.660
watch these things, it's something of a minor miracle.

563
00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:33.059
Oh, here's Primon.

564
00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:35.460
He is an adult actor who's annoying.

565
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:37.799
This is pre-man. talking about before.

566
00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:39.059
Constable.

567
00:26:39.059 --> 00:26:40.079
Oh, doll.

568
00:26:40.140 --> 00:26:42.240
He says, what the hell?

569
00:26:42.299 --> 00:26:43.920
So they do this again.

570
00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:45.960
They do this again with Eddington, don't they?

571
00:26:46.140 --> 00:26:50.819
with more successfully because, well, I mean, they take a course

572
00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:53.039
correction, but it works brilliantly with Eddington.

573
00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:56.099
Well, because Eddington's very rural bound and stuff.

574
00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:57.599
He's very serious.

575
00:26:57.660 --> 00:26:58.740
He's not like this guy.

576
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:02.039
I really like this because Odo gets to come in and just own this

577
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:02.460
guy.

578
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:05.640
And again, there's all sorts of things being done here that would

579
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:09.539
never, ever be done later, like that seem really odd.

580
00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:11.940
Um, but I do like that.

581
00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:18.180
I like in series ones where they fail, but they're sort of

582
00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:19.319
figuring it out, you know?

583
00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:22.740
where you can see the genesis of the show and you can see what

584
00:27:22.740 --> 00:27:24.059
they ditch and what they keep.

585
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.099
And I think TNG definitely has it.

586
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:28.440
Voyager absolutely has a hit one as well.

587
00:27:28.500 --> 00:27:33.900
But I think DS 9 more than those 2 because they really do go off

588
00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:36.480
in a different direction. after Series 2.

589
00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:38.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

590
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:41.039
But well, and in series 3 and in series four.

591
00:27:41.099 --> 00:27:44.400
Like, it's a show that does reinvert itself every year.

592
00:27:44.460 --> 00:27:46.319
Yeah, exactly.

593
00:27:47.819 --> 00:27:50.099
The only series of any continuity is far away.

594
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:50.759
Oh my favourite.

595
00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:54.119
But the, like, there's the Odo proven stuff.

596
00:27:54.180 --> 00:27:57.480
It has my favourite line and the whole thing where it made me howl

597
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:00.720
where he goes, oh, oh, is that against Starfleet rules?

598
00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:01.680
It is actually, yes.

599
00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:03.779
Well, I'm not in Starfleet.

600
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.119
And then he walks off. love that line.

601
00:28:06.180 --> 00:28:09.359
But like, is it against Starfleet rules to press some buttons.

602
00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:11.579
It's kind of like, come on, come on.

603
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:13.079
He's just a prat, isn't he?

604
00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:17.579
But like, like, you know, look through the prism for a second.

605
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:19.980
Okay, they're like, oh, primer's not working.

606
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:23.940
Let's write him up and he's in the entire seven-year run and he

607
00:28:23.940 --> 00:28:26.579
has a great arc when those writers come in and they figure out

608
00:28:26.579 --> 00:28:27.119
what they're doing.

609
00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:27.779
It could have happened.

610
00:28:28.380 --> 00:28:32.700
They've clearly brought him in as a regular, but I thought, oh, I

611
00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:33.599
just semi-regular.

612
00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:34.740
No way.

613
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:36.000
He's really annoying.

614
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:39.480
Ah, look, there's lovely corridors again, though.

615
00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:40.559
Yes.

616
00:28:40.619 --> 00:28:42.059
So we're in the corridor.

617
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.000
Are we doing Alamoraine yet because it all goes to hell after

618
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:45.299
that.

619
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:47.880
Or is it genuinely a corridor with some depth?

620
00:28:47.940 --> 00:28:50.640
No, there's a force perspective thing.

621
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:52.680
There is some depth, I think, isn't there?

622
00:28:52.740 --> 00:28:53.880
Oh here we go.

623
00:28:53.940 --> 00:28:55.440
Here's Alan Rain.

624
00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:58.559
We'll count 2 for Alamarine and then free more.

625
00:28:58.619 --> 00:29:03.119
I mean, it takes them forever to figure out how to get through

626
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:03.900
this part of the game.

627
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:05.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

628
00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:07.920
That's it. kind of dumb as well.

629
00:29:07.980 --> 00:29:11.099
Like, because they have to, well.

630
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:14.880
And and again, part of the point is that because they're Starfleet

631
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.059
officers, it takes them a while to realise that they have to

632
00:29:18.059 --> 00:29:21.059
follow game like rules in order to get through this.

633
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:24.660
And in fact, they never seem to realise it and it never seems to

634
00:29:24.660 --> 00:29:25.559
be defeated.

635
00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:27.059
She's playing hopscotch.

636
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:28.740
Surely you must realise.

637
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.279
Just play hopscotch and you'll get through.

638
00:29:32.339 --> 00:29:33.299
Fuck sake.

639
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.559
I'm not particularly smart and I would be across this room in 2

640
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:37.980
seconds.

641
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:42.480
To be fair, like they try and do it almost immediately, don't

642
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:42.720
they?

643
00:29:42.779 --> 00:29:46.200
Like, and but part of it is they're not listening to the girl's

644
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:50.039
rhyme and the girl's rhyme tells them how to do this.

645
00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:55.500
And so it is, how well are you suited to this kind of problem.

646
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:58.200
Like how well do you understand how games work?

647
00:29:58.259 --> 00:30:02.220
Because once Kira gets hit in the face, which?

648
00:30:02.700 --> 00:30:06.000
It's not an examination of games, though, is it?

649
00:30:06.059 --> 00:30:06.779
It could have been.

650
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:07.380
No.

651
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.619
No, because they don't really have any idea about the game and it

652
00:30:10.619 --> 00:30:11.460
doesn't quite work.

653
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.900
And so then you've got Julian tries to do the hopscotch thing and

654
00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:19.859
uses the panels on the punched in the face as well, which is...

655
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.799
Because he's not doing the rhyme because it's Dax that realises

656
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:24.420
that you have to do the rhyme as well.

657
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.240
Like, I don't think that's bad.

658
00:30:27.299 --> 00:30:28.380
My angle short's quite nice.

659
00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:29.579
My angle shot's really great.

660
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:32.220
Imagine Avery talking to the director.

661
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:35.579
Now, look, I've just come from this hard hitting police drama.

662
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:38.339
Are you really telling me you want me to play hopscotch across

663
00:30:38.339 --> 00:30:41.339
this room, sing that song, and do saluting while I go?

664
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:42.420
Yes.

665
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:43.619
Yes, we do.

666
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:48.720
Let me just say that the person who goes for it when it comes to

667
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.059
the singing is Avery.

668
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:56.099
And so we get to hear Avery singing for the 1st time in Team Space

669
00:30:56.099 --> 00:30:56.460
Nine.

670
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:57.480
I think I can do it.

671
00:30:57.539 --> 00:30:58.319
This is great.

672
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:01.980
Solo goes, um, a la Marine, we can't do four.

673
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:03.960
Alla Marine, and then Fremont.

674
00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:04.980
Oh, look at him.

675
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:06.480
Yeah, he probably sings.

676
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:10.319
Danny, you know, his beautiful tenor voice and everything.

677
00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:12.299
For sure.

678
00:31:12.299 --> 00:31:15.180
For sure, like such a twat, doesn't it?

679
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:16.680
There we go.

680
00:31:17.220 --> 00:31:22.259
And Cisco smiles or is Avery going, well, that's an idea of my

681
00:31:22.259 --> 00:31:23.700
career over with.

682
00:31:23.700 --> 00:31:24.660
I don't think that is.

683
00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:29.339
I think that that's maybe the best scene in the game because the

684
00:31:29.339 --> 00:31:32.160
next one where they're at the cocktail party just makes literally

685
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:33.480
no sense at all.

686
00:31:33.539 --> 00:31:36.480
It doesn't seem to be a game in any way.

687
00:31:36.660 --> 00:31:41.940
Um, you know, like I did like the dissonance of all the laughter

688
00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:44.880
and they're angry and it was just, it was weird.

689
00:31:44.940 --> 00:31:47.160
It was the atmosphere of it was weird.

690
00:31:47.220 --> 00:31:50.640
But like in terms of a game with rules, it's like what?

691
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:54.779
No, it makes the liquid so you don't choke on the gas at the end.

692
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:55.799
Okay.

693
00:31:55.859 --> 00:31:57.539
Just makes no sense.

694
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:00.299
You know, like if you were playing a computer game and that was

695
00:32:00.299 --> 00:32:02.640
that was the way out of something, you'd be like, well, yeah

696
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:02.819
yeah.

697
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:04.920
How was I to guess that?

698
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:12.660
And and then, and so we know at this point that it's the 4 of them

699
00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:18.000
or we do, because we've seen, we've seen Fallow explained to

700
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:24.480
Fallow appeared to talk to, um, Cisco in the game. and now he's

701
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:26.220
explaining about the 4 characters.

702
00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:29.700
So we know Quark doesn't know yet.

703
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:31.680
But why should he?

704
00:32:31.740 --> 00:32:34.380
He doesn't even know that 4 people are missing.

705
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.980
I know, but I hate being, I don't like being one step ahead of

706
00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:38.759
characters usually.

707
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:41.099
I hate being 20 steps ahead of characters.

708
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:45.720
But it's not the characters aren't being particularly dim yet

709
00:32:45.779 --> 00:32:46.440
they?

710
00:32:46.500 --> 00:32:49.380
Like...

711
00:32:49.380 --> 00:32:50.160
This is the bit now.

712
00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:51.000
This is the bit now.

713
00:32:51.059 --> 00:32:55.799
Watch the camera move. as I don't realises, it goes from Odo's

714
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:59.279
shock face to quark shock face to the pieces on the board.

715
00:32:59.339 --> 00:33:04.740
But that's that's actually not too bad because he goes four.

716
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.079
Did you say 4 officers are missing?

717
00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:09.839
And it's such a stupid, weird thing.

718
00:33:09.900 --> 00:33:13.259
Like I actually think that's actually pretty great.

719
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:18.240
So it's a close-up on his face, a close-up on those pieces, and

720
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:23.220
suddenly Quark realises the absolutely absurd idea that they are

721
00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:24.779
in some sense the pieces.

722
00:33:24.779 --> 00:33:26.400
And how, do you know what I mean?

723
00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:27.539
It's so strange.

724
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:28.980
Like, I like it.

725
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:30.480
I don't know.

726
00:33:30.539 --> 00:33:33.779
I just I just feel like it's it's almost being filmed like a

727
00:33:33.779 --> 00:33:34.200
twist.

728
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.960
That we haven't figured out.

729
00:33:37.019 --> 00:33:38.880
It's so...

730
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:40.019
I figured it out.

731
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:41.519
Why have we figured it out?

732
00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:43.740
Maybe the mistake.

733
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:50.819
Maybe the mistake was having it fallow in the game so that we know

734
00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:51.539
really. early.

735
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:54.539
Although we must, there must be linked because we keep cutting

736
00:33:54.539 --> 00:33:55.440
from one to the other.

737
00:33:55.500 --> 00:33:59.940
Yeah, yeah, but that's not a way of reasoning that's available to

738
00:33:59.940 --> 00:34:01.319
the characters in the show, though.

739
00:34:01.380 --> 00:34:05.220
I maybe would have liked that scene we've just had, you know, just

740
00:34:05.220 --> 00:34:08.159
before we cut to them in the game and then, right, fine.

741
00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:11.940
There's our premise. that's what we're doing We never really see

742
00:34:11.940 --> 00:34:14.880
people being smart and figuring out.

743
00:34:14.940 --> 00:34:19.320
So we see the Alamorain scene and we see the other scene where

744
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:23.699
Julian starts to like he tries to pretend that he's clever enough

745
00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:26.460
to figure it out and then he said, ah, I just thought, I'll have a

746
00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:28.860
drink. because, you know, what have I got to lose?

747
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:33.239
And so this in no sense seems like a game.

748
00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:35.340
Like it, that just doesn't seem like a game.

749
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.340
And so no one did think at one point.

750
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:41.340
Kira was gonna massacre a lot of them, though.

751
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:43.260
She's so angry isn't she?

752
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:47.039
I mean, it doesn't seem like a nice smart atmosphere either.

753
00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:49.739
In this cramped room filled with smoke.

754
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.079
They're all sitting around drinking.

755
00:34:52.139 --> 00:34:54.480
I mean, it doesn't seem like a party to me.

756
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.619
I thought these poor actors think they were doing.

757
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:00.000
I don't know.

758
00:35:00.059 --> 00:35:01.500
I don't know. very strange.

759
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:02.639
Hello, darling.

760
00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:03.360
How was your day?

761
00:35:03.420 --> 00:35:06.840
Well, you know, I stood around with a drink in a Star Trek set

762
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.380
whilst this very angry woman threatened to punch me.

763
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:11.639
I don't know what was happening.

764
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:13.440
I got my salary.

765
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:16.980
Yeah, then he comes in.

766
00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:19.440
Hello comes in laughing his head off.

767
00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:22.500
Well, this should have been...

768
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.960
This should have been the 1st time that he comes in.

769
00:35:25.019 --> 00:35:26.820
Maybe that improves it a bit.

770
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:28.800
You know what I mean?

771
00:35:28.860 --> 00:35:32.039
Like if, you know, you know, Trek ranks, that other podcast, I

772
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:33.119
tell you about sometimes, you know?

773
00:35:33.179 --> 00:35:34.920
Is this your least favourite one ever?

774
00:35:34.980 --> 00:35:39.420
No, see, they, they, this came up the other week and they were

775
00:35:39.420 --> 00:35:41.639
going, oh, I love Move Along home.

776
00:35:41.699 --> 00:35:42.719
Why does nobody like it?

777
00:35:42.780 --> 00:35:44.880
They were start talking about it.

778
00:35:44.940 --> 00:35:47.280
And I think sort of there's a certain breed of Star Trek fan.

779
00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:50.039
That's those people that have Star Trek injected into their veins

780
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:50.280
yeah.

781
00:35:50.340 --> 00:35:53.699
Whenever it does something quirky, that's enough.

782
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:54.480
You know?

783
00:35:54.539 --> 00:35:55.559
doesn't have to be good.

784
00:35:55.619 --> 00:36:00.900
Whenever they do something always from, you know, 1st first. like

785
00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:01.260
that, though.

786
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:02.219
Like, I like that idea.

787
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.440
But it still has to be good.

788
00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:05.940
I know, I know.

789
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.699
But I think there are probably plenty of people who automatically

790
00:36:08.699 --> 00:36:12.300
dismiss the things that are sort of all format or, you know, things

791
00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:14.699
that aren't in the pale moonlight are a waste of time.

792
00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:17.099
People hated that fair episode.

793
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:19.679
That really wasn't popular.

794
00:36:19.739 --> 00:36:20.460
Right.

795
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:25.800
But, you know, like this, the problem is, in what sense is this a

796
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:26.039
game?

797
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:29.099
Like, in what sense is this part of it a game?

798
00:36:29.219 --> 00:36:32.039
And then later on they, like, that's the best they can do.

799
00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:33.000
They can do.

800
00:36:33.059 --> 00:36:36.420
Can you imitate the little girl playing hopscotch successfully?

801
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.340
That's one aspect of the game.

802
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.219
Then we're in the room, and this is not a game.

803
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:42.780
It's like some weird ass thing.

804
00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:47.579
And then like we're clambering over chasms in stock cave set

805
00:36:47.579 --> 00:36:48.239
number one.

806
00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:51.179
And I just sort of think we've given up where we pretend.

807
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:52.860
It's so boring.

808
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:56.039
Forgive me for the non-pump, but that's when this episode

809
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:57.659
definitely goes over a cliff.

810
00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.219
Yeah.

811
00:36:59.219 --> 00:37:01.320
And they keep doing that high angle shot.

812
00:37:01.380 --> 00:37:02.699
It was so impressive the 1st time.

813
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.760
But now it's like, okay, that's clearly the only bit of visual

814
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:07.139
splendour you have.

815
00:37:07.139 --> 00:37:10.500
It's that camera you have secured to the ceiling.

816
00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:13.619
Yeah, yeah.

817
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:20.880
And like there's a moment here too, where, where, see, The the

818
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:25.199
idea of a game means that there's not peril, right?

819
00:37:25.260 --> 00:37:28.440
And because they're Starfleet people, they've got their tricorders

820
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:30.780
and they've got their phases and stuff like that and they're

821
00:37:30.780 --> 00:37:35.579
expecting peril and and it's a game and if you lose, it's over and

822
00:37:35.579 --> 00:37:36.780
then you play again next time.

823
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:42.059
And I think Quark should have realised that, or something like

824
00:37:42.059 --> 00:37:46.679
that, or started to suspect that, there is a bit to come where

825
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:51.360
Quark understands how the game works in a way.

826
00:37:51.420 --> 00:37:52.500
Do you know what I mean?

827
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:56.280
when he pushes it on like a level by choosing the dangerous path.

828
00:37:56.340 --> 00:37:57.719
Yeah, that's right.

829
00:37:57.780 --> 00:37:59.579
And Odo says no, don't do that.

830
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:01.980
Still very simple though, isn't it?

831
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.219
It is very simple because the whole idea, they've got no sensible

832
00:38:05.219 --> 00:38:07.800
idea about how games work or anything like that.

833
00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:12.539
But, you know, they know that Quark is better at them than the

834
00:38:12.539 --> 00:38:16.139
Starfleet people and that he can handle the situation better than

835
00:38:16.139 --> 00:38:16.619
they can.

836
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:18.179
Like, I've got to be honest.

837
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:21.119
Yeah, I'm on a bit of a loser with this anyway because I fucking

838
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:22.380
hate board games.

839
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:24.179
I just hate them.

840
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:28.019
I'm not competitive, you know, and I just want to wind up people

841
00:38:28.019 --> 00:38:31.019
that are, and that's the only pleasure I get out of ball games.

842
00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:34.559
You know, I'm the monopoly man who takes one from each set and

843
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:38.579
doesn't trade with anybody and just makes them play for 10 hours

844
00:38:38.579 --> 00:38:40.320
getting more noise.

845
00:38:40.380 --> 00:38:43.199
So I'm sort of on a bit of a loser here straight away.

846
00:38:43.260 --> 00:38:46.320
But it's these characters I love in this situation.

847
00:38:46.380 --> 00:38:49.440
So I should sort of like it, but I just don't recognise any of

848
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:49.619
them.

849
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:53.699
Unfortunately, at this point, they're proto-characters at this

850
00:38:53.699 --> 00:38:53.940
point.

851
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:59.099
I do like this where he goes on board the Wadi ship.

852
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:00.539
Oders on board the Wadi ship.

853
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.559
He opens a door, throws himself through and finds himself in

854
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:07.079
Quark's bar with no explanation.

855
00:39:07.139 --> 00:39:11.460
And then that little knowing look from Fallow, which I think is

856
00:39:11.460 --> 00:39:11.940
really good.

857
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.760
But did you notice how cheap the direction was?

858
00:39:14.820 --> 00:39:18.119
So he's like, right, throw yourself into that light and then we

859
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:18.960
cut the quarks.

860
00:39:19.019 --> 00:39:19.260
Right.

861
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.000
Just walk into camera.

862
00:39:22.860 --> 00:39:25.079
We're not going to put on a special effect or a light or

863
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:25.559
anything.

864
00:39:25.619 --> 00:39:26.699
Just walk into shop.

865
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:29.099
Oh, yeah.

866
00:39:29.099 --> 00:39:32.280
And like, you know, there's Odo Quark stuff here, and I think

867
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:35.820
those are 2 of the better characterised.

868
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:38.760
Like, they're the characters that are sort of a hand-long at this

869
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:39.719
point, a bit.

870
00:39:39.780 --> 00:39:43.860
So there is some nice moments between those two, but not enough.

871
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:45.360
Not enough.

872
00:39:45.420 --> 00:39:45.900
No.

873
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:48.239
Oh, here's that corridor again.

874
00:39:48.300 --> 00:39:49.500
That's a lovely corridor.

875
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:50.099
Yes, isn't it?

876
00:39:50.219 --> 00:39:51.300
No, it's miserable.

877
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.039
No, no.

878
00:39:53.099 --> 00:39:56.280
And so we've made an unfortunate role and we're going to lose

879
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:58.500
Julian, right?

880
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:02.219
Um...

881
00:40:02.219 --> 00:40:03.179
I mean, there's dialogue.

882
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:04.079
What is a shap?

883
00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:04.679
Who knows?

884
00:40:04.739 --> 00:40:06.179
But I'm sure we're making progress.

885
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:07.860
It's just words.

886
00:40:07.860 --> 00:40:10.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

887
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:13.380
A couple of seasons later, this will be packed full of character

888
00:40:13.380 --> 00:40:14.039
this dialogue.

889
00:40:14.099 --> 00:40:15.780
Yeah, yeah.

890
00:40:16.019 --> 00:40:20.940
Oh, now, I do quite like these glowing balls that emerge in a

891
00:40:20.940 --> 00:40:23.099
minute and take Bashir away.

892
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:24.599
I don't know why, it's just a bit...

893
00:40:25.019 --> 00:40:27.599
It's a bit different looking from what you see in Star Trek

894
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:27.960
normally.

895
00:40:28.019 --> 00:40:28.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

896
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:29.820
I think they look pretty cool.

897
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:31.500
I think they do look pretty cool.

898
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:36.360
But then you get this moment in a minute where the camera pans

899
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:40.199
laboriously across all the characters right, and Bashir does the

900
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:40.440
most.

901
00:40:40.500 --> 00:40:44.159
The campus backing against a wall I have ever seen.

902
00:40:44.219 --> 00:40:45.000
Keep your eye.

903
00:40:45.059 --> 00:40:45.420
Here we go.

904
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:51.960
Wait for it. the balls pick the person who is stood against the

905
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.440
most neutral background. to make them disappear.

906
00:40:55.500 --> 00:40:58.019
And it's that thing that you said to me.

907
00:40:58.079 --> 00:40:58.679
Do you know what I mean?

908
00:40:58.739 --> 00:41:02.699
Like so when they leave a space somewhere.

909
00:41:02.820 --> 00:41:03.780
Do you know what I mean?

910
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:06.900
Like he stood up against the wall just in case we decided to do a

911
00:41:06.900 --> 00:41:07.440
special effect.

912
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:12.119
He's got really early 90s hair there too. can I just say it's

913
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:12.539
pretty bad.

914
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.900
I don't want you to think I don't want camp people in Star Trek

915
00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:16.199
all right?

916
00:41:16.260 --> 00:41:17.579
I love a bit of camp. you know that.

917
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:18.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

918
00:41:18.300 --> 00:41:20.460
But it's not the route they go down with it this year.

919
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:21.480
No, no.

920
00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:23.340
You know, maybe they should have done many.

921
00:41:23.340 --> 00:41:26.880
The Quintin Crisp of D-Space 9.

922
00:41:26.940 --> 00:41:29.940
But I don't think he's playing it gay or anything like that.

923
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.219
I think he's just overplaying it.

924
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:36.840
He, yeah, genre fiction overacting, you know.

925
00:41:36.900 --> 00:41:41.519
He's just sort of really accentuating his accent as well, isn't

926
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:41.699
he?

927
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:44.699
He drops all of that.

928
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:46.860
He's so much more relaxed.

929
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:48.360
Like he's so much more relaxed.

930
00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:53.460
Yeah, see, I like this too.

931
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:56.280
Like, I think this is actually not a bad character thing, you know

932
00:41:56.280 --> 00:42:00.179
that, that, um, that Odo suspects that he's going to try and make

933
00:42:00.179 --> 00:42:04.380
money out of it, but he's actually concerned about them.

934
00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:07.619
Like, that look of horror when he realised that's who he's

935
00:42:07.619 --> 00:42:09.659
gambling with is those 4 officers.

936
00:42:09.659 --> 00:42:12.599
And it is partly, I think, because he thinks he's going to get

937
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:16.320
into trouble, but he is sort of genuinely concerned.

938
00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:21.300
And then we get, I mean, this is just dreadful what's coming out.

939
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:24.539
Yeah, the scene where he has to choose one of the players too.

940
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:26.639
What he thinks is die.

941
00:42:26.699 --> 00:42:27.179
Yeah.

942
00:42:27.179 --> 00:42:30.179
That is a good idea.

943
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:33.300
It's a good dramatic idea that, okay, choose one of them, or

944
00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:37.800
they'll all die, but I just can't believe the direction of them

945
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:39.239
where he's on the floor.

946
00:42:39.300 --> 00:42:40.500
Go, please.

947
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:41.579
Please.

948
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:46.440
And I'm like, just cut, cut, cut. screaming at the telly, like

949
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:47.699
just please pull away from this.

950
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:52.920
I actually love how Quiet gets Odo to blow on the dice before he

951
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:53.400
throws them.

952
00:42:53.460 --> 00:42:54.539
Do you know what I mean?

953
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:56.280
Because he is a proper gamer.

954
00:42:56.340 --> 00:42:57.659
He knows how it starts.

955
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.820
So here's the problem.

956
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:01.800
Here's the problem.

957
00:43:01.860 --> 00:43:09.179
So sacrifice one or the others die, and then what happens?

958
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.480
Like, I'm there watching him. appear in the room.

959
00:43:12.539 --> 00:43:17.579
They're all there in the room and no one dies and it's like 5

960
00:43:17.579 --> 00:43:19.920
minutes or something and they're still all there.

961
00:43:19.980 --> 00:43:23.219
And he comes going, have I misunderstood something or have I

962
00:43:23.219 --> 00:43:23.820
forgotten?

963
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.880
Like, what's a, what, what, and then that never happens?

964
00:43:26.940 --> 00:43:28.440
Like one of them never disappears.

965
00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:29.579
They all lose.

966
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.699
Like, so what, what, what even is this?

967
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:38.579
you know, And it takes some effort to make Ahmed Shimmerman not

968
00:43:38.579 --> 00:43:39.960
funny, right?

969
00:43:40.019 --> 00:43:44.940
He is a gifted comic, I'm a Shimmerman, but this scene.

970
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.940
I'll never cheat again.

971
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.219
It goes like, it's awful.

972
00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:54.300
It's it's badly written and I can't believe I'm going to say it

973
00:43:54.300 --> 00:43:57.659
because he is one of the most, he's the one of the MVPs of D's

974
00:43:57.659 --> 00:43:58.139
most one.

975
00:43:58.199 --> 00:43:59.699
It's really badly acted as well.

976
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:01.679
Oh, yeah. so badly judged.

977
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.380
They should have just cut it all.

978
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:08.099
Cut it all and just go straight to him saying, fine, if you're not

979
00:44:08.099 --> 00:44:09.719
going to choose our shoes for you.

980
00:44:09.780 --> 00:44:12.300
And you can't imagine that happening again.

981
00:44:12.420 --> 00:44:16.500
And you can imagine Quark showing concern for the other crew

982
00:44:16.500 --> 00:44:19.320
members, because he does, not the other crew members, but for

983
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:20.579
those crew members.

984
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.699
It happens next week, that wonderful scene in the air lot where

985
00:44:23.699 --> 00:44:27.659
Rom's going to kill him when he's going, please.

986
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:32.159
So you were going to throw me out of an airlock.

987
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:32.940
He goes wrong.

988
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:36.300
It can work.

989
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:37.920
They're figuring it out, aren't they?

990
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:39.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

991
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:40.380
But VC's terrible.

992
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:42.000
Like heaps of things fail.

993
00:44:42.059 --> 00:44:46.920
And so we're going to program the game to kill one of them to

994
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:52.380
destroy one of them at random, but then we never see that happen.

995
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:56.820
So we're assuming that now one of them is going to go.

996
00:44:56.880 --> 00:45:00.239
But like Julian disappeared immediately.

997
00:45:00.300 --> 00:45:03.539
Why are we, you know, why are we waiting for this?

998
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:09.179
And now suddenly we're, we've run out of set and we, we're going

999
00:45:09.179 --> 00:45:13.920
into, into the, the cave sad at the end of the car.

1000
00:45:13.980 --> 00:45:18.960
The only thing I'll say in the defence of this is DS9 hasn't been

1001
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:22.320
in a cave yet, which is a miracle, given that we're 9 episodes

1002
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:22.739
in.

1003
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.980
So there will be more caves to come though.

1004
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:27.719
There will be plenty.

1005
00:45:27.780 --> 00:45:29.760
I mean, we was in a cave in rocks and shoals.

1006
00:45:29.820 --> 00:45:33.659
We were in a cave in tacking into the wind and go on, say it.

1007
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:35.820
They're all the same caves.

1008
00:45:35.940 --> 00:45:37.679
Cave set one.

1009
00:45:37.739 --> 00:45:39.179
Look at this.

1010
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:41.039
The Bashir spectre in the light.

1011
00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:43.800
Come, come this way, commander.

1012
00:45:45.059 --> 00:45:48.420
All right, then, if you insist on...

1013
00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:51.719
We've never seen an episode of a genre show before.

1014
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.360
This fella, fallow.

1015
00:45:54.420 --> 00:45:56.820
The actor's really putting some in, isn't he?

1016
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:58.739
Yeah, yeah, he's...

1017
00:45:58.739 --> 00:46:03.119
He was sort of doing hand movement, Sarah. move along home.

1018
00:46:03.659 --> 00:46:08.940
So he says the word that he says to Quark, Thialo, which means

1019
00:46:08.940 --> 00:46:14.639
sacrificing one for the sake of the other ones, and then, no, it's

1020
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:15.420
just a made-up word.

1021
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:17.519
And then that never happens.

1022
00:46:17.579 --> 00:46:19.320
Like nothing seems to happen.

1023
00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:24.420
No, we walk around these caves for five fucking minutes. like

1024
00:46:24.420 --> 00:46:25.500
we've run out of game.

1025
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:29.099
This is not just, you know, a design problem, but it's an ideas

1026
00:46:29.099 --> 00:46:29.699
problem.

1027
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:33.300
Like they've just got no idea of what to do with the game or how

1028
00:46:33.300 --> 00:46:35.099
it makes the game interesting.

1029
00:46:35.099 --> 00:46:37.500
We've watched a ton of TNG before this.

1030
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.980
So we've been in this cave. many, many times before, you know.

1031
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:45.059
Remember all those sequences in Times Arrow with the lights

1032
00:46:45.059 --> 00:46:45.840
shooting about?

1033
00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:47.219
I mean, they were a bit more interesting.

1034
00:46:47.219 --> 00:46:48.119
Silicon Avatar.

1035
00:46:48.179 --> 00:46:49.440
Just all over the place.

1036
00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:51.300
I just I think this is paceless.

1037
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:53.940
I think this is poorly directed.

1038
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:58.500
Like, I can't get... has brought her breasts with her in this city

1039
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:01.920
a sense of the scale of the of the danger.

1040
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:05.579
I just I don't even know what's happening, but there are lots of

1041
00:47:05.579 --> 00:47:08.159
shots from underneath looking up at Terry's breasts.

1042
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:09.960
I want to tell you people, right?

1043
00:47:10.019 --> 00:47:10.860
listening to this.

1044
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:14.159
In a 1965 Doctor Who story.

1045
00:47:14.219 --> 00:47:17.039
Yes, we're going back to the 60s now in black and white.

1046
00:47:17.099 --> 00:47:19.679
They're a sequence with some characters in a story called The

1047
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.440
Rescue going across a very thin ledge.

1048
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:26.820
And then there was this hugely impressive wide shot of the extent

1049
00:47:26.820 --> 00:47:27.900
of the drop.

1050
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:29.940
You know, that was in 65.

1051
00:47:30.179 --> 00:47:37.139
We're now in 1993 with considerably more money and this just looks

1052
00:47:37.139 --> 00:47:37.440
shocking.

1053
00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:40.980
No, it's impossible to work out what's going on.

1054
00:47:41.460 --> 00:47:45.840
I mean, when they did go over the cliff, I did breathe a sigh of

1055
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:46.139
relief.

1056
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:47.280
Thank God they're all dead.

1057
00:47:47.340 --> 00:47:49.380
But in one sense is this the game?

1058
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:50.639
Like, what has this got to do?

1059
00:47:50.699 --> 00:47:52.440
Is this still the Thialo thing?

1060
00:47:52.500 --> 00:47:55.199
Like, is this the, like, I just don't even know what's happening?

1061
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:59.099
Like, this is where Dax is going to end, you know, you've got to

1062
00:47:59.099 --> 00:47:59.820
go, come out.

1063
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:00.780
You had to go, commander.

1064
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:01.559
Leave me, you know.

1065
00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:04.440
I finally holding you back.

1066
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.619
I mean, there was a brief moment of character there where they're

1067
00:48:10.619 --> 00:48:13.860
talking about, come on, decisions. and he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah

1068
00:48:13.860 --> 00:48:14.760
I've read that book as well.

1069
00:48:14.820 --> 00:48:16.079
Yeah, yeah.

1070
00:48:16.139 --> 00:48:17.880
And the reference occurs on and stuff.

1071
00:48:17.940 --> 00:48:18.900
Like all of that's pretty good.

1072
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:22.260
So Kira goes over the cliff in a minute and they're trying to sort

1073
00:48:22.260 --> 00:48:23.159
of drag her back.

1074
00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:26.159
They managed to get her back on the ledge and we've got another 5

1075
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:27.960
minutes of going along the fucking ledge.

1076
00:48:28.019 --> 00:48:30.780
Is there meant to be some tension here?

1077
00:48:30.780 --> 00:48:32.579
Like this, Terry's press, again.

1078
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:36.179
There's meant to be some tension here, like which of them is going

1079
00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:36.960
to be lost.

1080
00:48:37.019 --> 00:48:42.360
But we really know that none of them are. sorry, but Cisco's tight

1081
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:44.880
trousers are very distracting with that angle.

1082
00:48:44.940 --> 00:48:46.260
Did you just see that then?

1083
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:48.300
You could see everything.

1084
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:50.519
I was distracted by Terry's breast.

1085
00:48:50.579 --> 00:48:51.360
No wonder.

1086
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:52.980
No wonder Penny once.

1087
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:53.820
You were just...

1088
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:54.659
Who are you?

1089
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:55.800
Who are you?

1090
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:57.480
They are very loud.

1091
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.659
Hey, Ruth's penis wasn't shot then.

1092
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:02.639
Will you pay attention?

1093
00:49:02.699 --> 00:49:04.920
Yeah, no, I'll run.

1094
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:07.980
Penny, Johnson, Gerald looks so happy every time she sees it.

1095
00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:11.099
Sorry, folks.

1096
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:13.679
We have to get something to him out of this interminable

1097
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:14.159
sequence.

1098
00:49:14.219 --> 00:49:17.159
I mean, Kira's asking quite nice.

1099
00:49:17.219 --> 00:49:18.300
Look at her arse in there.

1100
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:19.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1101
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:21.360
No, it's a flattering outfit.

1102
00:49:21.420 --> 00:49:23.219
So we've got...

1103
00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:26.400
This is so low effort, isn't it?

1104
00:49:26.460 --> 00:49:29.159
We've got arse, cock, and breast.

1105
00:49:29.219 --> 00:49:31.800
They're really trying to give us some visual interest here.

1106
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:34.380
But I mean, this is terrible.

1107
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:39.960
Like if this was real, we would be angry at how boring it is, but

1108
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:41.039
it's not real.

1109
00:49:41.099 --> 00:49:43.739
Like it's not actually happening to them, there's a game of some

1110
00:49:43.739 --> 00:49:47.159
sort going on, but it's impossible to tell what.

1111
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:48.179
God bless the actors.

1112
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:49.440
They are trying to give it some.

1113
00:49:49.500 --> 00:49:53.400
But it's just the tension is just so baseless, isn't it?

1114
00:49:53.460 --> 00:49:54.239
It's like...

1115
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:56.519
Oh, I don't know.

1116
00:49:56.579 --> 00:49:58.260
Look at this show here.

1117
00:49:58.320 --> 00:49:59.760
I can't even see what is happening.

1118
00:49:59.820 --> 00:50:02.760
Just the silhouettes of the people and none of them say it.

1119
00:50:02.820 --> 00:50:04.380
No, it's terrible.

1120
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:05.519
It is terrible.

1121
00:50:05.579 --> 00:50:08.099
So this is David Carson.

1122
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:10.920
Didn't he direct Star Trek generations?

1123
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:13.800
And emissary and emissary.

1124
00:50:13.860 --> 00:50:15.719
Brilliantly, Maio.

1125
00:50:15.780 --> 00:50:19.380
And apparently, despite what we've been saying, this was a very

1126
00:50:19.380 --> 00:50:24.659
expensive episode, but, you know, they had to bring in the stock

1127
00:50:24.659 --> 00:50:26.519
cave set, or is it just always there?

1128
00:50:26.579 --> 00:50:28.440
Someone's fallen down, now she's fallen down.

1129
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:29.400
Oh, my God.

1130
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:30.300
She doesn't fall down.

1131
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:32.880
Well, just hearing Kira scream like that.

1132
00:50:32.940 --> 00:50:34.260
She screams as she falls.

1133
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:34.980
I'm like, no.

1134
00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:37.199
Kira is a tough bitch.

1135
00:50:37.260 --> 00:50:39.300
She's like, just let me drop.

1136
00:50:39.420 --> 00:50:40.079
Oh, finally.

1137
00:50:40.139 --> 00:50:42.239
Oh, wait.

1138
00:50:42.300 --> 00:50:43.380
Slow motion.

1139
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:47.400
Oh, did you watch about the rock bounces?

1140
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:48.239
The bouncing rock?

1141
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:53.940
I had full confidence in you commander that you'd be fine.

1142
00:50:54.659 --> 00:51:00.599
But and again, the fact that he doesn't understand that he's lost

1143
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:05.639
um, because it's only a game and people don't normally get killed

1144
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:08.219
if they lose a game, right?

1145
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:10.139
Um, yeah.

1146
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:13.139
And so like the, we were never in any real danger.

1147
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.659
Like, I think a lot of people regard that as a cheat.

1148
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:17.519
It's kind of like, well, what have I been watching?

1149
00:51:17.579 --> 00:51:19.739
This doesn't matter now.

1150
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:20.699
All of these stuff.

1151
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.400
This is why we've been objecting, isn't it?

1152
00:51:23.460 --> 00:51:24.840
Because it is only a game.

1153
00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:26.460
Why were you pretending it's real?

1154
00:51:26.460 --> 00:51:27.420
It's a TV show.

1155
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:29.820
We knew that they weren't going to be harmed because it's episode

1156
00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:33.179
10 and, you know, they're contracted for... series.

1157
00:51:33.179 --> 00:51:34.559
Episode 26.

1158
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.920
Then someone's going to get out.

1159
00:51:37.980 --> 00:51:40.739
So we do, we do know, and it's the end of the season.

1160
00:51:40.860 --> 00:51:44.519
So we knew that they weren't going to be harmed, but what the

1161
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:49.139
problem isn't that, um, this, that it wasn't real. apparel wasn't

1162
00:51:49.139 --> 00:51:49.380
real.

1163
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:52.559
The problem was that it wasn't in any way interesting.

1164
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:56.639
And that, like, it stopped being interesting after the Alamoraine

1165
00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:57.179
scene.

1166
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:00.360
Nothing that happens in the game is of any interest at all gives

1167
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:05.219
anyone a chance to show or think or work out what the rules are or

1168
00:52:05.219 --> 00:52:09.719
you know, they never work out where they are, like they start to

1169
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:11.519
have inklings, you know, it's ridiculous.

1170
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:12.840
What I said earlier.

1171
00:52:12.900 --> 00:52:16.199
I think they think that just the fact that this is a bit weird and

1172
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:16.619
different.

1173
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:17.400
That's enough.

1174
00:52:17.460 --> 00:52:20.940
I haven't got to put any more effort in than they would in any

1175
00:52:20.940 --> 00:52:22.380
standard Star Trek episode.

1176
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.199
And it's not enough. you know.

1177
00:52:25.260 --> 00:52:29.159
In a couple of years, we do Arman Bashir as our sideways

1178
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:29.579
episodes.

1179
00:52:29.699 --> 00:52:31.619
You know, little green men, for God's sakes.

1180
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:35.820
But I mean, this needn't have been a sideways game.

1181
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:38.760
It could have been something about 1st contact and it could have

1182
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:40.440
been something about Quark.

1183
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:44.340
And, you know, it's not a 1000000 miles away from a functional

1184
00:52:44.340 --> 00:52:45.179
episode, I think.

1185
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:48.960
I was confused as well because I know I think a lot of people were

1186
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:52.559
in these 1st couple of years where Quark does keep getting away

1187
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:55.920
with doing things and there are no ramifications.

1188
00:52:55.980 --> 00:52:58.380
So obviously he only cheated here on these people, but it did

1189
00:52:58.380 --> 00:52:59.699
cause all of these problems.

1190
00:52:59.699 --> 00:53:01.199
And there's no consequences.

1191
00:53:01.260 --> 00:53:05.639
Like, in series two, there's an episode where he sells out the

1192
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:11.099
station to, um, John Glover, you know, who comes to rip out the

1193
00:53:11.099 --> 00:53:15.900
trill from Dax and brings along Tim Russ as a Klingon and Quark's

1194
00:53:15.900 --> 00:53:19.260
responsible for giving them access to the station. when it's going

1195
00:53:19.260 --> 00:53:22.079
through this sort of meteor and there's no consequences for that.

1196
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.079
And they realise, I think, come the end of two.

1197
00:53:25.139 --> 00:53:30.960
Yeah, we can't have him pushing against the status quo as much as

1198
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:31.500
he is.

1199
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:34.440
We need to integrate him and that's when they really sort of focus

1200
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:35.699
on the family and all it.

1201
00:53:35.699 --> 00:53:39.059
And give him just nice things to do where we like the character.

1202
00:53:39.420 --> 00:53:41.280
It is odd.

1203
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:44.460
I know consequences are really a thing on Star Trek.

1204
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:46.619
But like, this was all his fault.

1205
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:49.679
And at the end, he's just, we're just going, oh, Quark, as he's

1206
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.320
running after them, going, fellow, you know, we could have a table

1207
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:53.400
on the 2nd level.

1208
00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:54.960
Yeah, yeah.

1209
00:53:55.019 --> 00:53:58.739
I mean, here he was just running crooked games and you would think

1210
00:53:58.739 --> 00:54:01.679
that as the sort of administrator of the station.

1211
00:54:01.739 --> 00:54:04.320
Cisco would have something to say about that.

1212
00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:09.420
And I'm sure that he must, you know, under other circumstances, but

1213
00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:13.860
it, here it wasn't like part of the thing was that it seemed to

1214
00:54:13.860 --> 00:54:16.800
have ballooned into these sort of terrible deadly consequences

1215
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:18.840
which ended up not being real or whatever.

1216
00:54:18.900 --> 00:54:19.980
I don't know.

1217
00:54:20.099 --> 00:54:20.880
I don't know.

1218
00:54:20.940 --> 00:54:23.099
I did see Avery Brooks cult, though.

1219
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:24.659
So it wasn't an entire...

1220
00:54:24.659 --> 00:54:27.780
Yeah, well...

1221
00:54:27.780 --> 00:54:28.679
Please rewind.

1222
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:29.940
What's that big again?

1223
00:54:33.059 --> 00:54:37.320
What I will say is the next episode is the Nagus.

1224
00:54:37.380 --> 00:54:42.119
And so they're really giving Almond some time in the lie here.

1225
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:46.980
Which is great because in series one of Voyager, you didn't get

1226
00:54:46.980 --> 00:54:49.260
many solely Neelix episodes.

1227
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:53.099
So they have cotton dons on the fact that they've got a weapon

1228
00:54:53.099 --> 00:54:53.340
here.

1229
00:54:53.460 --> 00:54:55.139
They can deploy.

1230
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:57.780
They just have to figure out how to get it right.

1231
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.000
Here, they get it wrong, I think.

1232
00:55:00.059 --> 00:55:03.900
In the next episode, they're already making the steps to

1233
00:55:03.900 --> 00:55:05.099
absolutely get it right.

1234
00:55:05.219 --> 00:55:09.239
Yeah, yeah, a kind of episode that will continue to happen all the

1235
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:12.000
way through the run of the show, a thing that they introduce and a

1236
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:16.260
thing that other characters in Ella Star Trek shows get, like a

1237
00:55:16.260 --> 00:55:19.619
little suite of characters around them for their episodes.

1238
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:24.900
Less grovelling on the floor for making a move in a board game and

1239
00:55:24.900 --> 00:55:29.940
more Armin Schumerman as the godfather with Venetian blinds behind

1240
00:55:29.940 --> 00:55:31.619
him stroking a terrible puppet.

1241
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:45.659
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to

1242
00:55:45.659 --> 00:55:47.159
work out where we're going next.

1243
00:55:47.219 --> 00:55:51.059
It's been a little while since we've been here, but I want to go

1244
00:55:51.059 --> 00:55:53.519
back to the 1960s.

1245
00:55:53.579 --> 00:55:55.260
Oh, next week.

1246
00:55:55.380 --> 00:55:56.519
Yes, please.

1247
00:55:56.579 --> 00:56:01.980
So it's going to be an episode of Star Trek, the original series.

1248
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:04.199
What you think?

1249
00:56:04.260 --> 00:56:05.820
I think that sounds wonderful.

1250
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:07.320
It feels ages, actually.

1251
00:56:07.380 --> 00:56:08.820
We've been to the 60s.

1252
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:10.440
It does feel like a while.

1253
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:13.380
Let's stop watching all this bland stuff from the 90s and go and

1254
00:56:13.380 --> 00:56:15.599
watch a bit of pop.

1255
00:56:15.659 --> 00:56:18.780
Yes, and possible incompetence.

1256
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:22.619
Let's see how we go and possibly something problematic.

1257
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:23.579
Yes.

1258
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:25.800
Excellent.

1259
00:56:25.860 --> 00:56:27.360
Well, I'm excited.

1260
00:56:27.420 --> 00:56:28.920
All right, here goes.

1261
00:56:29.820 --> 00:56:34.860
Your random Star Trek, the original series episode is season one

1262
00:56:34.860 --> 00:56:42.480
episode 16, the Galileo 7, which we did in episode 84 of Untitled

1263
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:43.199
Star Trek Project.

1264
00:56:43.260 --> 00:56:46.559
It's a shame, you know, because series season one of TOS is

1265
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:47.340
probably the strongest year.

1266
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:50.400
Yeah, although that wasn't a good episode. though.

1267
00:56:50.460 --> 00:56:51.659
All right.

1268
00:56:52.619 --> 00:56:57.659
Ooh, season three, episode 20.

1269
00:56:58.380 --> 00:57:00.900
The way to Eden.

1270
00:57:01.019 --> 00:57:02.639
Oh, yes, please.

1271
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:08.699
Yes, of weird camp things.

1272
00:57:09.179 --> 00:57:12.179
The way to eat and...

1273
00:57:12.179 --> 00:57:13.019
Spice hippies.

1274
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:13.260
Yes.

1275
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:13.860
Yes.

1276
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:14.940
Yes.

1277
00:57:14.940 --> 00:57:15.599
Oh.

1278
00:57:15.659 --> 00:57:20.880
Spock becomes entirely seduced by the hippies that come to TOS. and

1279
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:24.059
they all start crooning and playing their space guitar.

1280
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:25.920
Yes, I remember this.

1281
00:57:25.980 --> 00:57:27.000
It's true.

1282
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:29.699
I canonizingly awful.

1283
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:30.840
Absolutely terrible.

1284
00:57:30.900 --> 00:57:32.519
So that's too in a row.

1285
00:57:32.579 --> 00:57:34.380
But I think we have to do it.

1286
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:42.480
Another fun fact, it aired exactly 2 months and a week before my

1287
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.820
birthday, the day of my birth.

1288
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:48.780
So it's...

1289
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:49.260
It is.

1290
00:57:50.940 --> 00:57:55.619
It's telling us, you know, something glorious and camp is coming.

1291
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:57.840
Prepare yourselves, everybody.

1292
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:05.820
I wonder if your mother watched The Way to Eden whilst you know

1293
00:58:05.820 --> 00:58:07.500
you was percolating in her tummy.

1294
00:58:07.619 --> 00:58:11.219
I am 100% certain that she did not.

1295
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:12.840
Oh shame.

1296
00:58:14.579 --> 00:58:18.539
You were there at the walls of her tummy going, that sounds good.

1297
00:58:18.599 --> 00:58:21.420
I'll check that out in 40 years or so.

1298
00:58:24.179 --> 00:58:28.559
Oh, sounds absolutely dismal and delightful.

1299
00:58:28.619 --> 00:58:29.820
Let's do it.

1300
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:41.699
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1301
00:58:41.699 --> 00:58:42.960
and Nathan Bottomley.

1302
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:46.380
We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find

1303
00:58:46.380 --> 00:58:49.320
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1304
00:58:49.380 --> 00:58:53.219
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sizeran, and the theme was

1305
00:58:53.219 --> 00:58:54.840
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1306
00:58:54.900 --> 00:58:59.039
This episode was recorded on the 24th of December 2024 and

1307
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:00.840
released on the 27th of December.

1308
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:05.159
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the original series, The

1309
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:24.300
Way to Eden. shit.

1310
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:32.699
Literally, the so that was on a 2 story VHS, right?

1311
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:33.840
Yeah.

1312
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:39.239
And I asked for a Star Trek video for Christmas and I was obsessed

1313
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:42.780
with Next Generation and I can't tell you.

1314
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:44.280
I was so excited.

1315
00:59:44.340 --> 00:59:46.559
I was going to burst like a spot.

1316
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:48.539
I really open the paper.

1317
00:59:48.659 --> 00:59:49.739
There it was.

1318
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:53.820
And I burst into tears and they thought they were, they thought

1319
00:59:53.820 --> 00:59:55.800
they were tears of joy.

1320
00:59:55.860 --> 00:59:57.119
Oh, he's so happy.

1321
00:59:57.119 --> 00:59:58.440
I didn't want this.

1322
00:59:58.500 --> 00:59:59.639
I'm waving it.

1323
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:03.840
And then even worse, I watched it.

1324
01:00:03.900 --> 01:00:05.639
I was like, oh, God.

1325
01:00:05.699 --> 01:00:07.980
Well, do you remember what else was on it?

1326
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:10.500
No, I don't.

1327
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:11.940
I just remember the hippie one.

1328
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:15.900
I only ever watched it once and then consigned it to the back.

1329
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:17.280
I wanted Wesley Crusher.

1330
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:22.139
The love of my life when I was 12, you know?

1331
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:27.300
Well, this is full on Freddie Freiburger shit, isn't it?

1332
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:34.320
I think all sort of sanity has been deserted at this point.

1333
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:39.300
Which, you know, it's a good follow-on from move along home.

1334
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:44.400
Yeah, yeah, it's too tragically similar messes.

1335
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:48.119
And then I'll keep rolling until we get something. a good one of

1336
01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:48.599
some time.

1337
01:00:48.659 --> 01:00:50.760
I'll take competent after this pair.