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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, this week, we're back aboard Deep Space Nine, which is a place where we like to be, but we are in series one, episode 10, a very early episode. famous episodes.

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And a very famous one, one that is not super highly regarded, I think.

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It's series one, episode 10.

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Move along home.

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A la Marie.

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So, I have to say that I didn't hate this, and for a while I thought it was reasonably good.

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I think it falls to pieces and I think the biggest problem with it is that it's really early.

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No one's nailed how to do it yet.

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No one's performance is right.

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You know, everything is kind of odd.

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But I mean, we were chatting about this the other night.

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And I don't think that every episode of Deep Space 9 needs to be duet or progress or in the hands of the prophets.

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These is a perfectly reasonable thing for Deep Space 9 to attempt to do, but it doesn't really come off, does it?

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Well, by the time DS9 gets his acting over, we're doing episodes like this, you know, the quirky sidestep comedy, sort of episode, but we're doing one little ship, where a tiny shrunken runabout is zooming about, blasting Gemadil's to death, or take me out to the hollow suite, that fabulous baseball episode, and in last season, you know, these are faltering early steps. for DS9.

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But I do have one very positive thing to say about this, if I may, because I wish to make a comparison between this and a TV show you know nothing about.

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Is it better?

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Babylon 5.

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And I wish to insanely use move on home as the reason why DS9 is infinitely superior to Babylon 5.

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Because when Babylon 5 is bad, right?

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Like, move along home is bad, it's shit, it's kind of fun, but it's really shit.

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When Babylon 5 is shit.

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It's just really boring, right?

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Because it doesn't do quirky things like this.

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It does the same things it's always doing because it just has a template.

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But in a really dull, worthy, sort of serious kind of a way, you know, the worst kind of television.

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Whereas when Star Trek in the 90s is bad, you know, I'll throw in Genesis and Sub Rosa and move along home, I mean, it's truly abysmal television, right?

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Absolutely not the TV that you'd show to your friends to say, watch this show.

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But it's just weird and idiosyncratic, and it's got some personality to it, and it fails in all kinds of ways, but I love the fact that they tried, you know, and they said, we're not just going to do politics and we're not just going to do this.

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We're going to try all these different flavours and see what works.

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And that is why, that is why I think DS9 is better than Babylon.

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It just puts on so many more hats, you know, and as a result, I think it's a more engaging experience because you never quite know what you're going to get.

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You probably shouldn't get this, but you do, and we should be grateful for it.

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I think that there is a story here somewhere that just doesn't quite come off, and part of it's clearly for budgetary reasons, and there is a kind of lack of imagination about how to kind of realise things.

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But clearly it's our 1st contact with a race from the Gamma Quadrant, and it's a race that has a sort of very Star Trek quirk.

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You know, they're obsessed with games and they think about things in terms of games.

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And it's fun.

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That was a fun idea.

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Yeah, that's fun.

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But it turns out that Quark is well equipped to deal with them and that the Starfleet crew, whose job it is to make 1st contact, are very bad at it to the point where they don't understand what's going on when it comes to, you know, finding themselves involved in the game and they don't understand that a game is supposed to be fun and that people don't generally get killed in the course of a normal game.

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And so their Starfleet way of reacting to the game doesn't really work very well, whereas Quarks works a bit better.

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But even that I'm probably trying to read something worthwhile into it, but there is something there.

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Like that's almost a thing.

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And it's muddied by the fact that it's just terribly badly realised and it doesn't quite come off.

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But it doesn't seem to me to be a completely misconceived idea.

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I agree.

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I think this would make a fantastic, strange New Worlds episode.

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This concept, you know, with those characters where you can visualise it in such a brilliant way now.

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This could be absolutely fantastic, but I do think they would realise that the Starfleet people were, the players maybe about 5 minutes into the episode.

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It takes us about 25 minutes for our characters here to realise what's going on.

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I was going, come on now, and there's even a shot of quark.

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It's so dumb, court going, and then the camera pans really slowly over to the pieces, like we hadn't figured it out.

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Yeah.

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I like, we've been doing it for 20 minutes, for God's sakes, you know?

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Like, this is not the sort of episode that they would do, maybe even from like series 2 onwards.

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I don't think they would touch something like Move Along Home.

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Because this is something you could do on, Voyager, this is something you could do on TNG.

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And they did push away from that a lot when they realised what they could do on this show.

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But in all of these experiments that they're doing in one.

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So Q coming along, Mrs. Troy coming along, all these sort of TNG knockoffs that they're doing.

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I do think this is probably the most fun idea of all.

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You're right, though.

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It's just so cheap.

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It's so cheap. and their imagination doesn't extend beyond glowing balls and choking gas and stock cave set number 58, which we're going to spend a lot of time in. is terrible, the worst thing about the episode, I think.

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Although the melodramatic slow motion fall, and we'll get there is absolutely hilarious because they all literally, no one's who needed jeopardy.

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They just throw themselves off.

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I've had enough of this bullshit.

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I'm going over But yeah, I mean, I think I think we'll probably find some nice things to say, but we'll mostly be going, oh, what were they thinking?

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Yeah, I think so.

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I think so.

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One other thing there was a recent episode last year, series 4 of Lower Decks, called in the Cradle of Vexilon, where the B plot involved, I think basically everyone except Boemler, getting the job of cleaning out a sort of artefacts store on the ship, and there is a game of Chula in that.

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And I think Rutherford briefly participates in the game and we get to see little child. whatever.

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Lower decks would not forget move along home.

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Everyone else is trying to forget about it, but lower deck, so cherry pick, the best and the worst.

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Yeah, absolutely I just want to like maybe that mouth just turn up just one time and go, move along, move along home in the lower decks episode.

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That would be quite fun.

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Well, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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Yes, please.

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Oh, I mean, I just can't wait to watch it again with you.

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I mean, I was spending the majority of the episode sort of shaking my head going, oh, dear.

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Also thinking, I can't wait to talk about this for Nathan.

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All right.

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In that case, I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I mean, I would say there's more to this than dramatis persona, you know, there was just nothing to that at all.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, that was a sort of weird high concept thing, wasn't it?

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Look how just, um, unthreatening Avery is in this seat.

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So, so I think the scene is adorable partly because, um, he little Zurich is so tiny and so adorable and it's quite...

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I'd like to address this because people have, you know, come to think that I have a thing about children, all right, in TV shows, because I spend so much of my podcast in time, criticising dreadful children actors.

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He is so good.

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He's so good.

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He is.

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He is pretty good.

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He is pretty great.

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Um, this is very cute though.

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I mean, he's so tiny and, you know, he leaves the show 7 years later.

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He's sort of over 6 foot tall.

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Oh, but he a molf.

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Well, he's still sort of fairly slim.

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He's not enormous, but he's and, you know, he's an attractive young man by that point.

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Here he's just kind of adorable.

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And this, I think, is really important and I was expecting it to pay off at the end of the episode and it doesn't.

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And the reason for this is, of course, it's setting up the B plot in the Nagus, which we've already talked about, which I think is absolutely beautiful, like really, really stunningly great. doesn't it?

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The bit where Cisco discovers Jake teaching him to read. and just silently smiles and leaves away.

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Because even here, you know, there's some idea, like he calls him the Ferengi boy and he's kind of racist and dismissive about him while he's having this conversation about 1st contact with another alien race.

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And it's Jake, who, in that plot, is really properly making contact with a new species.

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You know, like, I think, like, that's a beautiful subplot, you can hear our episode on that, hear us talk about it because I thought it was really great, but I'm glad that that's what that's doing. they were making the parallels here.

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I mean, you just gave it a brilliant reading there.

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Is that deliberate?

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Well, I think in the Nagus, yeah, I think so because he's a Starfleet person.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And it's our job to forge alliances and friendships and stuff between species and he's doing it.

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And, you know, like, it's that wonderful mode, isn't it, where he kind of discovers that his son is so much better than he expected him to be, that his son is a marvellous, loving, kind young man.

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I think it's beautiful.

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But also as well, you think about where Nog and Cisco end up as well.

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Like he's saying something, I don't want you to hang out with that kid.

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The last act he does in the very last episode is to recommend Nog for a lieutenant's pip.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Can I just say as well, Bashir, right?

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Bashir and Kira in this episode?

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Because absolute, Kira, they now, somewhere in the middle of season one, like, yeah, they, but there are some, she's not, he, yeah, faltering early stemstone.

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In this episode, she's just pissed.

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She's just angry.

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That's her character in this.

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But she, my God.

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They don't nail him until about two-thirds of the way through series two.

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That's when they figure out how to write him and Sid really figures out how to play him.

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And there's moments before that.

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But this and the passenger is probably the Nadir of Dr. Bashir in Star Trek.

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Yeah, oh, he's terrible in this.

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It's like really quite terrible.

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I really candy reaction he does.

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Yeah, no, I just think he doesn't know how to play it at all.

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And it's really bad.

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Like, he's quite terrible and much, much worse than I remember.

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We've seen series one episodes with him in it, but I think he's particularly bad here.

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I do remember him being bad in the passenger, which is around about now, isn't it?

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That's when he gets to play evil and has the immortal lion.

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Not at all, gentlemen.

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I've been expecting you.

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Yeah, I wondered whether he'd watched Doctor Who or something. you know, like because he's playing it in that sort of slightly too big a way.

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I mean, you know, Star Trek is played slightly big.

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It's not played sort of purely naturalistically, but he's too big.

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He's really good with him, don't they?

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That he is a more interesting character when paired up with other gray characters.

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So they realise he's brilliant when he's with O'Brien.

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They learn that as they go.

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He's brilliant with Garak.

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So they learn that as they go.

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But they're just not there.

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You know, so they're just writing him as arrogant Starfleet doctor who's a bit camp.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he improves, like that he plays it so much better.

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I think even Terry is not very good in this.

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No, I thought I didn't even think Nanole was that great.

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The bit where she goes, the bit where she goes, this is not what I signed up for.

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So bad.

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That was exactly the bit I was about to mention as well.

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It's terrible What's the scriptwriter reading?

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when he heard this script together.

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But it wasn't just the script.

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I mean, that is a weird thing for her to say, a weird thing for Kira to say, I'm a Bajoran administrator.

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I didn't sign up for this.

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It's like you're a fucking terrorist.

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Like, what are you talking about?

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Remember in progress that we watched where she was like, I don't want to be a fucking administrator.

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I'm stuck with this job, right?

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But it was her performance was just not very good.

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And, like, I don't remember noticing that stuff in the Nagas.

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See, even there's even scenes here that Armond kind of flubs as well. that really surprised me.

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I mean, I think he's mostly great.

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And they've realised, yeah, they've realised they've got a super weapon in Armin Shimmerman and Quark because Quark is an arsehole.

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And we've never really had an arsehole as a regular before like this.

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So they really lean into it in series one and give him lots of, but there's a bit towards the end of this episode, which is just cringe.

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Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.

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So this is fallow and he's the leader of the Wadi.

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And clearly as well, we're experimenting with how we can make our aliens look.

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How do you think this comes off?

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Where would you put this on the bow mask scale?

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I think I'd give them maybe a 7.5 , you know?

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They've got, you know, sort of weird tattoos on their heads, but that's it.

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That's perhaps not such a great choice, I think, the weird tattoos on the head, I have to say.

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Well, if they don't have the tattoos.

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I've got nothing.

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They've just got a costume.

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Yeah, they just look like people.

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That might be okay, though. people with sort of swept back luxurious hair.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And sort of spangly clothes and stuff.

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I mean, you know, it is a, it's, we've decided not to do latex this week and that's kind of a great relief, but I just don't know and it's telling that we tend not to do aliens like this again.

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This is the week we choose to allow to see the actors' faces this week of all the weeks where we couldn't have slapped latex on people's face.

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Oh I did love this line.

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There's some great lines here where he goes, 0 no.

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I've got enough sticks.

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Thank you very much.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This is about the drink.

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One man's.

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What is it?

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One man's neck is another man's poison or something.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I actually think, and again.

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So we actually see Quak making 1st contact after Cisco is checked out.

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Um, and and so there is something there.

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We later see quite going on sort of delegations, don't we?

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Like he goes into the gamma quadrant and stuff.

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A couple times, yeah.

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Well, I mean, he's forced to.

211
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He's blackmailed mostly.

212
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

213
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But recognising that he has something that they don't. those gemstones, right?

214
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It's like the cheapest looking, you know, crappy stones that you can buy in any, knock off. gone to a new age shop. store, yeah.

215
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Eyes glittering, you know?

216
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Oh, I see, I kind of like every bit with Cisco before he goes in the game.

217
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Because I like this as well.

218
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I was remembering 1st contact and learning about it.

219
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Yeah, and all of that.

220
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I just like it when he hangs with Cork.

221
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Yeah, yeah.

222
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I mean, I quite like, you know, he's fed up.

223
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He's he's done it.

224
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And we haven't seen Starfleet, people be like this very much.

225
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It's kind of like, no, I just want to go to bed.

226
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This is tedious.

227
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Yeah, like actual morning and stuff.

228
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I can't imagine a more uncomfortable looking bed than what they have on DS Noid.

229
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Oh, really?

230
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Have you seen them?

231
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Yeah, they've got these all weird triangular cushions that are only about an inch thick.

232
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And it's basically like a bio bit.

233
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It's horrible.

234
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Oh, really?

235
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I mean, I think the costumier has gone crazy in this episode.

236
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They're all wearing good.

237
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You know that's great.

238
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Lots of Spangly stuff.

239
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This guy, I can't work out.

240
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I don't think that's a press on moustache, but I think it might be enhanced.

241
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Do you think?

242
00:17:59.579 --> 00:18:01.980
Um, follow's moustache.

243
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Like, it looks real, except the ends of it.

244
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It's got a sort of Anthony Ainley-ish look about it, but that's such a niche reference that you Star Trek fans will understand that.

245
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No, we talk about BBC Press on beards quite a lot in Doctor Who fandom and so that's a sort of thing that we have here.

246
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But like, I actually think that he plays it really well, doesn't he?

247
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He's pretty good, this guy.

248
00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:34.019
Oh, no, I think he's brilliant, and he has to do some pretty weird stuff going on, you know, all that sort of laughing away in that smoky room and all that.

249
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But I love this where he goes, break.

250
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You just ripped a ball swindler, you know, as he's...

251
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I always knew you was up to no good, but it is good that the, what's his name?

252
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Fallow, the wadi, the guy's in charge of the wadi.

253
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He's smart enough to just recognise straight away he's being conned, isn't he?

254
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And that's what the game looks like it's going to be, but now here we have the sort of 2nd scene and maybe the last scene, isn't it, of this B plot with Jake and Cisco.

255
00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:05.759
And like, he's the one who is clearly being unreasonable.

256
00:19:05.819 --> 00:19:08.339
Like Cisco's clearly being unreasonable.

257
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I've done nothing for the last 6 hours, but eat Frankie Lokar beans and watch people play childish games.

258
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All right, that sounds like a pretty good job to me.

259
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Yeah, yeah.

260
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But the childish games thing too.

261
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Do you know what I mean?

262
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That he's dismissive of games, right?

263
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Um, because he doesn't understand them and, and, you know, like he can't operate in that world.

264
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Whereas Quiet can.

265
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And so Quark is valuable to him in a way that he perhaps doesn't realise.

266
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And what looks like this episode's going to be is that causes a diplomatic incident by cheating.

267
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Yeah.

268
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And then it immediately reverses, doesn't it?

269
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No, we're going to play our game now.

270
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Yeah, yeah.

271
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Which, again, I don't think is a bad premise.

272
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No, no, I don't think it is either.

273
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And I even think that the idea of having the players, I think, part of the problem, here are the problems, I think.

274
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The Chula, it's called Chula, I think the game.

275
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Um, the board and the environment share no kind of um, you know, similarities.

276
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Like they don't, you can't, like you, they don't look similar.

277
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There's no visual cues that associates them.

278
00:20:25.019 --> 00:20:27.960
I think the board for Chula is actually pretty good.

279
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Oh, I think it looks really good.

280
00:20:29.819 --> 00:20:32.279
And the way it just appears into the set.

281
00:20:32.339 --> 00:20:33.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

282
00:20:34.019 --> 00:20:45.839
But I think what's good about it is that we can see the different shaps, like the levels are important and so we see the shaps, they're clearly visible, but it's just massive.

283
00:20:45.900 --> 00:20:46.619
It's massive.

284
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You know, they love these sort of geometric shapes in 90s, don't they?

285
00:20:52.980 --> 00:20:56.640
But it's like an enormous version of that chess game that spot plays.

286
00:20:56.700 --> 00:20:58.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

287
00:20:58.500 --> 00:21:03.420
But also you can shoot through it at the characters.

288
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So the characters are frequently standing behind it and it's in front of them without obscuring their faces.

289
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And so no one's looking down at a board on the table.

290
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Instead, you're looking at this prop, and I think that works really well.

291
00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:27.240
Well, the thing I really didn't like about this was, you're right, there's no visualisation on the board of what's happening in the actual game itself.

292
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And there's no ball game in the world where you wouldn't visualise what's going on.

293
00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:36.359
So what pleasure does the person playing get from this game?

294
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If you can't see what the others are doing, All you can see is that you're moving bits around this board and occasionally knocking them over.

295
00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:47.339
And he goes, oh, I can see why people love playing this game.

296
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Why?

297
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No, it makes no sense.

298
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And they don't sell.

299
00:21:51.900 --> 00:21:53.700
Yeah, this is a good shot.

300
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I did like this shot, yeah.

301
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I mean, more try.

302
00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:57.779
They love a triangle, don't they?

303
00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:00.599
But also it sells the board game thing.

304
00:22:00.660 --> 00:22:03.599
You know, it's like, you know, there's like spots on a board.

305
00:22:03.660 --> 00:22:05.519
Like, I think that works really well.

306
00:22:05.579 --> 00:22:12.299
It was the older moment where I was like, oh, my God, with more money and a bit a lot more imagination, they could do this.

307
00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:14.220
It just wasn't enough of it.

308
00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:17.640
It's just too many of these gold corridors and rock faces.

309
00:22:17.700 --> 00:22:19.680
It's horribly 90s.

310
00:22:19.740 --> 00:22:29.400
You know how we talked about Ferengi Love songs a couple of weeks ago and just how hideous the sets were on Ferengi, like Moogie's house and stuff like that?

311
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That was full of wit and character, whereas this has none at all.

312
00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:36.420
No, but this, like, it's so 90s.

313
00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:38.640
It's so upsettingly 90s that's sad.

314
00:22:38.700 --> 00:22:42.960
It's sort of supposed to look golden luxurious, but it just looks cheap, you know?

315
00:22:43.019 --> 00:22:45.779
The sets feel really cramped as well.

316
00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:46.980
Yeah, yeah.

317
00:22:47.099 --> 00:22:49.440
That shot coming up made it feel like it was a big room.

318
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It's a tiny room.

319
00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:51.599
Yeah.

320
00:22:51.660 --> 00:22:52.980
You know.

321
00:22:53.339 --> 00:22:58.799
Look, take a good look at this corridor because we're going to be wandering around them for some time, okay?

322
00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:06.359
Oh, that's a bit now, Webb, but she was going, oh, oh, what is going on?

323
00:23:06.420 --> 00:23:08.759
I thought he was having an orgasm.

324
00:23:08.819 --> 00:23:09.960
I was like what is going on?

325
00:23:10.019 --> 00:23:12.119
Or being tortured?

326
00:23:12.180 --> 00:23:12.720
don't know.

327
00:23:12.779 --> 00:23:17.940
Oh no, he's yelling in his dream to weigh himself up. against the wall.

328
00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:19.619
Yeah, against the wall.

329
00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:21.240
But yeah.

330
00:23:21.299 --> 00:23:21.960
Yeah.

331
00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:24.180
Oh, here's fallow. move along.

332
00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:25.799
Move along.

333
00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:29.460
Poor A for folks.

334
00:23:29.579 --> 00:23:30.240
Oh, God.

335
00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:35.339
We will talk about my favourite scene, the Alamoraine scene, which I do love that scene.

336
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:44.519
But you can see the point where everybody, literally, you can see the point, the look on his face where he's like, get my fucking agent on the phone now.

337
00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:46.619
I want out of this contract.

338
00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:53.519
But I mean, so the thing, see, he's terrible in this scene, poor old Sid.

339
00:23:53.579 --> 00:23:55.140
He's, oh, look at that.

340
00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:57.779
I mean, just horrible, horrible overacting.

341
00:23:57.900 --> 00:24:01.799
I thought I was having a nightmare, so did we watching this episode.

342
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:08.579
Oh, and then no, in fact, look, this is Kira's angry bit as well, isn't it?

343
00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:10.259
All of them are just terrible in this.

344
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:13.500
They're all terrible And I don't know what they expected.

345
00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:15.960
I mean, Star Trek is kind of like this.

346
00:24:16.019 --> 00:24:20.640
Like, you know, I've seen 60 Star Trek. don't know.

347
00:24:20.700 --> 00:24:24.660
You know, so be beamed into games when things like this happens on every starship.

348
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:25.920
Yeah, yeah.

349
00:24:25.980 --> 00:24:31.019
The thing that I saw it compared to was fear is that fear?

350
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:33.059
Oh, that was glorious, though.

351
00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:45.779
Yeah, yeah, but it's another one where it's a sort of artificial environment. that, uh, you know, that operates under some kind of, you know, there's game like elements to a.

352
00:24:45.779 --> 00:24:48.420
But you know what they did with, uh, with that episode?

353
00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:51.119
They brought in a cinematographer to do it.

354
00:24:51.180 --> 00:24:54.660
So there was movement and weird stuff going on all the time.

355
00:24:54.720 --> 00:25:00.119
There was so much visual interest that who cares what the plot is and the plot's pretty good in that episode as well.

356
00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:05.160
And the villains, what Michael McCain, who is just the best person ever I adore.

357
00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:10.740
I'll say avoid your episodes better than a DS91, but when this is the DS91, well, here we are.

358
00:25:10.859 --> 00:25:12.359
Yeah, yeah.

359
00:25:12.420 --> 00:25:15.359
Nice luxurious shots of the station there.

360
00:25:15.420 --> 00:25:16.259
Oh my word.

361
00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:17.519
This man primman.

362
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:19.500
He's only in 2 episodes, okay?

363
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.259
They bring him in. and the passenger.

364
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:24.900
Yeah, 2 absolute bangers.

365
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:27.779
No, but this scene's cute.

366
00:25:27.779 --> 00:25:29.640
Like this scene is adorable.

367
00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:32.220
So Premium's not here yet.

368
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:38.460
This is Jake comes in to speak to Odo and says my father's gone.

369
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:39.900
Where is he?

370
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:41.279
And he's so cute.

371
00:25:41.339 --> 00:25:43.319
He says, like, school's not on.

372
00:25:43.380 --> 00:25:46.380
Because Mrs. O'Brien, because O'Brien's not in this episode.

373
00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:50.640
And so he's going somewhere with Nog.

374
00:25:50.759 --> 00:26:02.940
And Renee, I mean, Ono immediately goes, look at girls and they look, little, little, he smiles, and he can't, he can't stop himself from smiling.

375
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.380
He's so, so cute.

376
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:10.019
The only way that thing could be more Sakarin would be if the door opened and little Molly walks in and went.

377
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:11.339
Have you seen my daddy?

378
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.539
Well, I think I just think he's cute.

379
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:17.160
I think he looks younger than 14.

380
00:26:17.460 --> 00:26:30.660
But whatever. that's fine It's just he's a kid actor that just isn't annoying and that I'm learning and the more I podcast and watch these things, it's something of a minor miracle.

381
00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:33.059
Oh, here's Primon.

382
00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:35.460
He is an adult actor who's annoying.

383
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:37.799
This is pre-man. talking about before.

384
00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:39.059
Constable.

385
00:26:39.059 --> 00:26:40.079
Oh, doll.

386
00:26:40.140 --> 00:26:42.240
He says, what the hell?

387
00:26:42.299 --> 00:26:43.920
So they do this again.

388
00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:45.960
They do this again with Eddington, don't they?

389
00:26:46.140 --> 00:26:53.039
with more successfully because, well, I mean, they take a course correction, but it works brilliantly with Eddington.

390
00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:56.099
Well, because Eddington's very rural bound and stuff.

391
00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:57.599
He's very serious.

392
00:26:57.660 --> 00:26:58.740
He's not like this guy.

393
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:02.460
I really like this because Odo gets to come in and just own this guy.

394
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:09.539
And again, there's all sorts of things being done here that would never, ever be done later, like that seem really odd.

395
00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:11.940
Um, but I do like that.

396
00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:19.319
I like in series ones where they fail, but they're sort of figuring it out, you know?

397
00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:24.059
where you can see the genesis of the show and you can see what they ditch and what they keep.

398
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.099
And I think TNG definitely has it.

399
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:28.440
Voyager absolutely has a hit one as well.

400
00:27:28.500 --> 00:27:36.480
But I think DS 9 more than those 2 because they really do go off in a different direction. after Series 2.

401
00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:38.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

402
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:41.039
But well, and in series 3 and in series four.

403
00:27:41.099 --> 00:27:44.400
Like, it's a show that does reinvert itself every year.

404
00:27:44.460 --> 00:27:46.319
Yeah, exactly.

405
00:27:47.819 --> 00:27:50.099
The only series of any continuity is far away.

406
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:50.759
Oh my favourite.

407
00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:54.119
But the, like, there's the Odo proven stuff.

408
00:27:54.180 --> 00:28:00.720
It has my favourite line and the whole thing where it made me howl where he goes, oh, oh, is that against Starfleet rules?

409
00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:01.680
It is actually, yes.

410
00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:03.779
Well, I'm not in Starfleet.

411
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.119
And then he walks off. love that line.

412
00:28:06.180 --> 00:28:09.359
But like, is it against Starfleet rules to press some buttons.

413
00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:11.579
It's kind of like, come on, come on.

414
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:13.079
He's just a prat, isn't he?

415
00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:17.579
But like, like, you know, look through the prism for a second.

416
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:19.980
Okay, they're like, oh, primer's not working.

417
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:27.119
Let's write him up and he's in the entire seven-year run and he has a great arc when those writers come in and they figure out what they're doing.

418
00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:27.779
It could have happened.

419
00:28:28.380 --> 00:28:33.599
They've clearly brought him in as a regular, but I thought, oh, I just semi-regular.

420
00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:34.740
No way.

421
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:36.000
He's really annoying.

422
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:39.480
Ah, look, there's lovely corridors again, though.

423
00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:40.559
Yes.

424
00:28:40.619 --> 00:28:42.059
So we're in the corridor.

425
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.299
Are we doing Alamoraine yet because it all goes to hell after that.

426
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:47.880
Or is it genuinely a corridor with some depth?

427
00:28:47.940 --> 00:28:50.640
No, there's a force perspective thing.

428
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:52.680
There is some depth, I think, isn't there?

429
00:28:52.740 --> 00:28:53.880
Oh here we go.

430
00:28:53.940 --> 00:28:55.440
Here's Alan Rain.

431
00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:58.559
We'll count 2 for Alamarine and then free more.

432
00:28:58.619 --> 00:29:03.900
I mean, it takes them forever to figure out how to get through this part of the game.

433
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:05.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

434
00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:07.920
That's it. kind of dumb as well.

435
00:29:07.980 --> 00:29:11.099
Like, because they have to, well.

436
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:21.059
And and again, part of the point is that because they're Starfleet officers, it takes them a while to realise that they have to follow game like rules in order to get through this.

437
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:25.559
And in fact, they never seem to realise it and it never seems to be defeated.

438
00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:27.059
She's playing hopscotch.

439
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:28.740
Surely you must realise.

440
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.279
Just play hopscotch and you'll get through.

441
00:29:32.339 --> 00:29:33.299
Fuck sake.

442
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.980
I'm not particularly smart and I would be across this room in 2 seconds.

443
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:42.720
To be fair, like they try and do it almost immediately, don't they?

444
00:29:42.779 --> 00:29:50.039
Like, and but part of it is they're not listening to the girl's rhyme and the girl's rhyme tells them how to do this.

445
00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:55.500
And so it is, how well are you suited to this kind of problem.

446
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:58.200
Like how well do you understand how games work?

447
00:29:58.259 --> 00:30:02.220
Because once Kira gets hit in the face, which?

448
00:30:02.700 --> 00:30:06.000
It's not an examination of games, though, is it?

449
00:30:06.059 --> 00:30:06.779
It could have been.

450
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:07.380
No.

451
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.460
No, because they don't really have any idea about the game and it doesn't quite work.

452
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:19.859
And so then you've got Julian tries to do the hopscotch thing and uses the panels on the punched in the face as well, which is...

453
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:24.420
Because he's not doing the rhyme because it's Dax that realises that you have to do the rhyme as well.

454
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.240
Like, I don't think that's bad.

455
00:30:27.299 --> 00:30:28.380
My angle short's quite nice.

456
00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:29.579
My angle shot's really great.

457
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:32.220
Imagine Avery talking to the director.

458
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:35.579
Now, look, I've just come from this hard hitting police drama.

459
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:41.339
Are you really telling me you want me to play hopscotch across this room, sing that song, and do saluting while I go?

460
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:42.420
Yes.

461
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:43.619
Yes, we do.

462
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:51.059
Let me just say that the person who goes for it when it comes to the singing is Avery.

463
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:56.460
And so we get to hear Avery singing for the 1st time in Team Space Nine.

464
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:57.480
I think I can do it.

465
00:30:57.539 --> 00:30:58.319
This is great.

466
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:01.980
Solo goes, um, a la Marine, we can't do four.

467
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:03.960
Alla Marine, and then Fremont.

468
00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:04.980
Oh, look at him.

469
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:06.480
Yeah, he probably sings.

470
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:10.319
Danny, you know, his beautiful tenor voice and everything.

471
00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:12.299
For sure.

472
00:31:12.299 --> 00:31:15.180
For sure, like such a twat, doesn't it?

473
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:16.680
There we go.

474
00:31:17.220 --> 00:31:23.700
And Cisco smiles or is Avery going, well, that's an idea of my career over with.

475
00:31:23.700 --> 00:31:24.660
I don't think that is.

476
00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:33.480
I think that that's maybe the best scene in the game because the next one where they're at the cocktail party just makes literally no sense at all.

477
00:31:33.539 --> 00:31:36.480
It doesn't seem to be a game in any way.

478
00:31:36.660 --> 00:31:44.880
Um, you know, like I did like the dissonance of all the laughter and they're angry and it was just, it was weird.

479
00:31:44.940 --> 00:31:47.160
It was the atmosphere of it was weird.

480
00:31:47.220 --> 00:31:50.640
But like in terms of a game with rules, it's like what?

481
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:54.779
No, it makes the liquid so you don't choke on the gas at the end.

482
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:55.799
Okay.

483
00:31:55.859 --> 00:31:57.539
Just makes no sense.

484
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:02.819
You know, like if you were playing a computer game and that was that was the way out of something, you'd be like, well, yeah, yeah.

485
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:04.920
How was I to guess that?

486
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:26.220
And and then, and so we know at this point that it's the 4 of them or we do, because we've seen, we've seen Fallow explained to Fallow appeared to talk to, um, Cisco in the game. and now he's explaining about the 4 characters.

487
00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:29.700
So we know Quark doesn't know yet.

488
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:31.680
But why should he?

489
00:32:31.740 --> 00:32:34.380
He doesn't even know that 4 people are missing.

490
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:38.759
I know, but I hate being, I don't like being one step ahead of characters usually.

491
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:41.099
I hate being 20 steps ahead of characters.

492
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:46.440
But it's not the characters aren't being particularly dim yet. they?

493
00:32:46.500 --> 00:32:49.380
Like...

494
00:32:49.380 --> 00:32:50.160
This is the bit now.

495
00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:51.000
This is the bit now.

496
00:32:51.059 --> 00:32:59.279
Watch the camera move. as I don't realises, it goes from Odo's shock face to quark shock face to the pieces on the board.

497
00:32:59.339 --> 00:33:04.740
But that's that's actually not too bad because he goes four.

498
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.079
Did you say 4 officers are missing?

499
00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:09.839
And it's such a stupid, weird thing.

500
00:33:09.900 --> 00:33:13.259
Like I actually think that's actually pretty great.

501
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:24.779
So it's a close-up on his face, a close-up on those pieces, and suddenly Quark realises the absolutely absurd idea that they are in some sense the pieces.

502
00:33:24.779 --> 00:33:26.400
And how, do you know what I mean?

503
00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:27.539
It's so strange.

504
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:28.980
Like, I like it.

505
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:30.480
I don't know.

506
00:33:30.539 --> 00:33:34.200
I just I just feel like it's it's almost being filmed like a twist.

507
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.960
That we haven't figured out.

508
00:33:37.019 --> 00:33:38.880
It's so...

509
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:40.019
I figured it out.

510
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:41.519
Why have we figured it out?

511
00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:43.740
Maybe the mistake.

512
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:51.539
Maybe the mistake was having it fallow in the game so that we know really. early.

513
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:55.440
Although we must, there must be linked because we keep cutting from one to the other.

514
00:33:55.500 --> 00:34:01.319
Yeah, yeah, but that's not a way of reasoning that's available to the characters in the show, though.

515
00:34:01.380 --> 00:34:08.159
I maybe would have liked that scene we've just had, you know, just before we cut to them in the game and then, right, fine.

516
00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:14.880
There's our premise. that's what we're doing We never really see people being smart and figuring out.

517
00:34:14.940 --> 00:34:28.860
So we see the Alamorain scene and we see the other scene where Julian starts to like he tries to pretend that he's clever enough to figure it out and then he said, ah, I just thought, I'll have a drink. because, you know, what have I got to lose?

518
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:33.239
And so this in no sense seems like a game.

519
00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:35.340
Like it, that just doesn't seem like a game.

520
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.340
And so no one did think at one point.

521
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:41.340
Kira was gonna massacre a lot of them, though.

522
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:43.260
She's so angry isn't she?

523
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:47.039
I mean, it doesn't seem like a nice smart atmosphere either.

524
00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:49.739
In this cramped room filled with smoke.

525
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.079
They're all sitting around drinking.

526
00:34:52.139 --> 00:34:54.480
I mean, it doesn't seem like a party to me.

527
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.619
I thought these poor actors think they were doing.

528
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:00.000
I don't know.

529
00:35:00.059 --> 00:35:01.500
I don't know. very strange.

530
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:02.639
Hello, darling.

531
00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:03.360
How was your day?

532
00:35:03.420 --> 00:35:10.380
Well, you know, I stood around with a drink in a Star Trek set. whilst this very angry woman threatened to punch me.

533
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:11.639
I don't know what was happening.

534
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:13.440
I got my salary.

535
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:16.980
Yeah, then he comes in.

536
00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:19.440
Hello comes in laughing his head off.

537
00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:22.500
Well, this should have been...

538
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.960
This should have been the 1st time that he comes in.

539
00:35:25.019 --> 00:35:26.820
Maybe that improves it a bit.

540
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:28.800
You know what I mean?

541
00:35:28.860 --> 00:35:33.119
Like if, you know, you know, Trek ranks, that other podcast, I tell you about sometimes, you know?

542
00:35:33.179 --> 00:35:34.920
Is this your least favourite one ever?

543
00:35:34.980 --> 00:35:41.639
No, see, they, they, this came up the other week and they were going, oh, I love Move Along home.

544
00:35:41.699 --> 00:35:42.719
Why does nobody like it?

545
00:35:42.780 --> 00:35:44.880
They were start talking about it.

546
00:35:44.940 --> 00:35:47.280
And I think sort of there's a certain breed of Star Trek fan.

547
00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:50.280
That's those people that have Star Trek injected into their veins, yeah.

548
00:35:50.340 --> 00:35:53.699
Whenever it does something quirky, that's enough.

549
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:54.480
You know?

550
00:35:54.539 --> 00:35:55.559
doesn't have to be good.

551
00:35:55.619 --> 00:36:01.260
Whenever they do something always from, you know, 1st first. like that, though.

552
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:02.219
Like, I like that idea.

553
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.440
But it still has to be good.

554
00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:05.940
I know, I know.

555
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:14.699
But I think there are probably plenty of people who automatically dismiss the things that are sort of all format or, you know, things that aren't in the pale moonlight are a waste of time.

556
00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:17.099
People hated that fair episode.

557
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:19.679
That really wasn't popular.

558
00:36:19.739 --> 00:36:20.460
Right.

559
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:26.039
But, you know, like this, the problem is, in what sense is this a game?

560
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:29.099
Like, in what sense is this part of it a game?

561
00:36:29.219 --> 00:36:32.039
And then later on they, like, that's the best they can do.

562
00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:33.000
They can do.

563
00:36:33.059 --> 00:36:36.420
Can you imitate the little girl playing hopscotch successfully?

564
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.340
That's one aspect of the game.

565
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.219
Then we're in the room, and this is not a game.

566
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:42.780
It's like some weird ass thing.

567
00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:48.239
And then like we're clambering over chasms in stock cave set number one.

568
00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:51.179
And I just sort of think we've given up where we pretend.

569
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:52.860
It's so boring.

570
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:57.659
Forgive me for the non-pump, but that's when this episode definitely goes over a cliff.

571
00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.219
Yeah.

572
00:36:59.219 --> 00:37:01.320
And they keep doing that high angle shot.

573
00:37:01.380 --> 00:37:02.699
It was so impressive the 1st time.

574
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:07.139
But now it's like, okay, that's clearly the only bit of visual splendour you have.

575
00:37:07.139 --> 00:37:10.500
It's that camera you have secured to the ceiling.

576
00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:13.619
Yeah, yeah.

577
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:25.199
And like there's a moment here too, where, where, see, The the idea of a game means that there's not peril, right?

578
00:37:25.260 --> 00:37:36.780
And because they're Starfleet people, they've got their tricorders and they've got their phases and stuff like that and they're expecting peril and and it's a game and if you lose, it's over and then you play again next time.

579
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:51.360
And I think Quark should have realised that, or something like that, or started to suspect that, there is a bit to come where Quark understands how the game works in a way.

580
00:37:51.420 --> 00:37:52.500
Do you know what I mean?

581
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:56.280
when he pushes it on like a level by choosing the dangerous path.

582
00:37:56.340 --> 00:37:57.719
Yeah, that's right.

583
00:37:57.780 --> 00:37:59.579
And Odo says no, don't do that.

584
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:01.980
Still very simple though, isn't it?

585
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:07.800
It is very simple because the whole idea, they've got no sensible idea about how games work or anything like that.

586
00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:16.619
But, you know, they know that Quark is better at them than the Starfleet people and that he can handle the situation better than they can.

587
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:18.179
Like, I've got to be honest.

588
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:22.380
Yeah, I'm on a bit of a loser with this anyway because I fucking hate board games.

589
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:24.179
I just hate them.

590
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:31.019
I'm not competitive, you know, and I just want to wind up people that are, and that's the only pleasure I get out of ball games.

591
00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:40.320
You know, I'm the monopoly man who takes one from each set and doesn't trade with anybody and just makes them play for 10 hours getting more noise.

592
00:38:40.380 --> 00:38:43.199
So I'm sort of on a bit of a loser here straight away.

593
00:38:43.260 --> 00:38:46.320
But it's these characters I love in this situation.

594
00:38:46.380 --> 00:38:49.619
So I should sort of like it, but I just don't recognise any of them.

595
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:53.940
Unfortunately, at this point, they're proto-characters at this point.

596
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:59.099
I do like this where he goes on board the Wadi ship.

597
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:00.539
Oders on board the Wadi ship.

598
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:07.079
He opens a door, throws himself through and finds himself in Quark's bar with no explanation.

599
00:39:07.139 --> 00:39:11.940
And then that little knowing look from Fallow, which I think is really good.

600
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.760
But did you notice how cheap the direction was?

601
00:39:14.820 --> 00:39:18.960
So he's like, right, throw yourself into that light and then we cut the quarks.

602
00:39:19.019 --> 00:39:19.260
Right.

603
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.000
Just walk into camera.

604
00:39:22.860 --> 00:39:25.559
We're not going to put on a special effect or a light or anything.

605
00:39:25.619 --> 00:39:26.699
Just walk into shop.

606
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:29.099
Oh, yeah.

607
00:39:29.099 --> 00:39:35.820
And like, you know, there's Odo Quark stuff here, and I think those are 2 of the better characterised.

608
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:39.719
Like, they're the characters that are sort of a hand-long at this point, a bit.

609
00:39:39.780 --> 00:39:43.860
So there is some nice moments between those two, but not enough.

610
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:45.360
Not enough.

611
00:39:45.420 --> 00:39:45.900
No.

612
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:48.239
Oh, here's that corridor again.

613
00:39:48.300 --> 00:39:49.500
That's a lovely corridor.

614
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:50.099
Yes, isn't it?

615
00:39:50.219 --> 00:39:51.300
No, it's miserable.

616
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.039
No, no.

617
00:39:53.099 --> 00:39:58.500
And so we've made an unfortunate role and we're going to lose Julian, right?

618
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:02.219
Um...

619
00:40:02.219 --> 00:40:03.179
I mean, there's dialogue.

620
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:04.079
What is a shap?

621
00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:04.679
Who knows?

622
00:40:04.739 --> 00:40:06.179
But I'm sure we're making progress.

623
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:07.860
It's just words.

624
00:40:07.860 --> 00:40:10.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

625
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:14.039
A couple of seasons later, this will be packed full of character, this dialogue.

626
00:40:14.099 --> 00:40:15.780
Yeah, yeah.

627
00:40:16.019 --> 00:40:23.099
Oh, now, I do quite like these glowing balls that emerge in a minute and take Bashir away.

628
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:24.599
I don't know why, it's just a bit...

629
00:40:25.019 --> 00:40:27.960
It's a bit different looking from what you see in Star Trek normally.

630
00:40:28.019 --> 00:40:28.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

631
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:29.820
I think they look pretty cool.

632
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:31.500
I think they do look pretty cool.

633
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:40.440
But then you get this moment in a minute where the camera pans laboriously across all the characters right, and Bashir does the most.

634
00:40:40.500 --> 00:40:44.159
The campus backing against a wall I have ever seen.

635
00:40:44.219 --> 00:40:45.000
Keep your eye.

636
00:40:45.059 --> 00:40:45.420
Here we go.

637
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:55.440
Wait for it. the balls pick the person who is stood against the most neutral background. to make them disappear.

638
00:40:55.500 --> 00:40:58.019
And it's that thing that you said to me.

639
00:40:58.079 --> 00:40:58.679
Do you know what I mean?

640
00:40:58.739 --> 00:41:02.699
Like so when they leave a space somewhere.

641
00:41:02.820 --> 00:41:03.780
Do you know what I mean?

642
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:07.440
Like he stood up against the wall just in case we decided to do a special effect.

643
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:12.539
He's got really early 90s hair there too. can I just say it's pretty bad.

644
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:16.199
I don't want you to think I don't want camp people in Star Trek, all right?

645
00:41:16.260 --> 00:41:17.579
I love a bit of camp. you know that.

646
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:18.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

647
00:41:18.300 --> 00:41:20.460
But it's not the route they go down with it this year.

648
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:21.480
No, no.

649
00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:23.340
You know, maybe they should have done many.

650
00:41:23.340 --> 00:41:26.880
The Quintin Crisp of D-Space 9.

651
00:41:26.940 --> 00:41:29.940
But I don't think he's playing it gay or anything like that.

652
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.219
I think he's just overplaying it.

653
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:36.840
He, yeah, genre fiction overacting, you know.

654
00:41:36.900 --> 00:41:41.699
He's just sort of really accentuating his accent as well, isn't he?

655
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:44.699
He drops all of that.

656
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:46.860
He's so much more relaxed.

657
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:48.360
Like he's so much more relaxed.

658
00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:53.460
Yeah, see, I like this too.

659
00:41:53.519 --> 00:42:04.380
Like, I think this is actually not a bad character thing, you know, that, that, um, that Odo suspects that he's going to try and make money out of it, but he's actually concerned about them.

660
00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:09.659
Like, that look of horror when he realised that's who he's gambling with is those 4 officers.

661
00:42:09.659 --> 00:42:16.320
And it is partly, I think, because he thinks he's going to get into trouble, but he is sort of genuinely concerned.

662
00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:21.300
And then we get, I mean, this is just dreadful what's coming out.

663
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:24.539
Yeah, the scene where he has to choose one of the players too.

664
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:26.639
What he thinks is die.

665
00:42:26.699 --> 00:42:27.179
Yeah.

666
00:42:27.179 --> 00:42:30.179
That is a good idea.

667
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:39.239
It's a good dramatic idea that, okay, choose one of them, or they'll all die, but I just can't believe the direction of them, where he's on the floor.

668
00:42:39.300 --> 00:42:40.500
Go, please.

669
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:41.579
Please.

670
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:47.699
And I'm like, just cut, cut, cut. screaming at the telly, like, just please pull away from this.

671
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:53.400
I actually love how Quiet gets Odo to blow on the dice before he throws them.

672
00:42:53.460 --> 00:42:54.539
Do you know what I mean?

673
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:56.280
Because he is a proper gamer.

674
00:42:56.340 --> 00:42:57.659
He knows how it starts.

675
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.820
So here's the problem.

676
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:01.800
Here's the problem.

677
00:43:01.860 --> 00:43:09.179
So sacrifice one or the others die, and then what happens?

678
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.480
Like, I'm there watching him. appear in the room.

679
00:43:12.539 --> 00:43:19.920
They're all there in the room and no one dies and it's like 5 minutes or something and they're still all there.

680
00:43:19.980 --> 00:43:23.820
And he comes going, have I misunderstood something or have I forgotten?

681
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.880
Like, what's a, what, what, and then that never happens?

682
00:43:26.940 --> 00:43:28.440
Like one of them never disappears.

683
00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:29.579
They all lose.

684
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.699
Like, so what, what, what even is this?

685
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:39.960
you know, And it takes some effort to make Ahmed Shimmerman not funny, right?

686
00:43:40.019 --> 00:43:44.940
He is a gifted comic, I'm a Shimmerman, but this scene.

687
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.940
I'll never cheat again.

688
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.219
It goes like, it's awful.

689
00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:58.139
It's it's badly written and I can't believe I'm going to say it because he is one of the most, he's the one of the MVPs of D's most one.

690
00:43:58.199 --> 00:43:59.699
It's really badly acted as well.

691
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:01.679
Oh, yeah. so badly judged.

692
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.380
They should have just cut it all.

693
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:09.719
Cut it all and just go straight to him saying, fine, if you're not going to choose our shoes for you.

694
00:44:09.780 --> 00:44:12.300
And you can't imagine that happening again.

695
00:44:12.420 --> 00:44:20.579
And you can imagine Quark showing concern for the other crew members, because he does, not the other crew members, but for those crew members.

696
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:27.659
It happens next week, that wonderful scene in the air lot where Rom's going to kill him when he's going, please.

697
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:32.159
So you were going to throw me out of an airlock.

698
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:32.940
He goes wrong.

699
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:36.300
It can work.

700
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:37.920
They're figuring it out, aren't they?

701
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:39.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

702
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:40.380
But VC's terrible.

703
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:42.000
Like heaps of things fail.

704
00:44:42.059 --> 00:44:52.380
And so we're going to program the game to kill one of them to destroy one of them at random, but then we never see that happen.

705
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:56.820
So we're assuming that now one of them is going to go.

706
00:44:56.880 --> 00:45:00.239
But like Julian disappeared immediately.

707
00:45:00.300 --> 00:45:03.539
Why are we, you know, why are we waiting for this?

708
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:13.920
And now suddenly we're, we've run out of set and we, we're going into, into the, the cave sad at the end of the car.

709
00:45:13.980 --> 00:45:22.739
The only thing I'll say in the defence of this is DS9 hasn't been in a cave yet, which is a miracle, given that we're 9 episodes in.

710
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.980
So there will be more caves to come though.

711
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:27.719
There will be plenty.

712
00:45:27.780 --> 00:45:29.760
I mean, we was in a cave in rocks and shoals.

713
00:45:29.820 --> 00:45:33.659
We were in a cave in tacking into the wind and go on, say it.

714
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:35.820
They're all the same caves.

715
00:45:35.940 --> 00:45:37.679
Cave set one.

716
00:45:37.739 --> 00:45:39.179
Look at this.

717
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:41.039
The Bashir spectre in the light.

718
00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:43.800
Come, come this way, commander.

719
00:45:45.059 --> 00:45:48.420
All right, then, if you insist on...

720
00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:51.719
We've never seen an episode of a genre show before.

721
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.360
This fella, fallow.

722
00:45:54.420 --> 00:45:56.820
The actor's really putting some in, isn't he?

723
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:58.739
Yeah, yeah, he's...

724
00:45:58.739 --> 00:46:03.119
He was sort of doing hand movement, Sarah. move along home.

725
00:46:03.659 --> 00:46:15.420
So he says the word that he says to Quark, Thialo, which means sacrificing one for the sake of the other ones, and then, no, it's just a made-up word.

726
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:17.519
And then that never happens.

727
00:46:17.579 --> 00:46:19.320
Like nothing seems to happen.

728
00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:25.500
No, we walk around these caves for five fucking minutes. like we've run out of game.

729
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:29.699
This is not just, you know, a design problem, but it's an ideas problem.

730
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:35.099
Like they've just got no idea of what to do with the game or how it makes the game interesting.

731
00:46:35.099 --> 00:46:37.500
We've watched a ton of TNG before this.

732
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.980
So we've been in this cave. many, many times before, you know.

733
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:45.840
Remember all those sequences in Times Arrow with the lights shooting about?

734
00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:47.219
I mean, they were a bit more interesting.

735
00:46:47.219 --> 00:46:48.119
Silicon Avatar.

736
00:46:48.179 --> 00:46:49.440
Just all over the place.

737
00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:51.300
I just I think this is paceless.

738
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:53.940
I think this is poorly directed.

739
00:46:54.000 --> 00:47:01.920
Like, I can't get... has brought her breasts with her in this city. a sense of the scale of the of the danger.

740
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:08.159
I just I don't even know what's happening, but there are lots of shots from underneath looking up at Terry's breasts.

741
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:09.960
I want to tell you people, right?

742
00:47:10.019 --> 00:47:10.860
listening to this.

743
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:14.159
In a 1965 Doctor Who story.

744
00:47:14.219 --> 00:47:17.039
Yes, we're going back to the 60s now in black and white.

745
00:47:17.099 --> 00:47:22.440
They're a sequence with some characters in a story called The Rescue going across a very thin ledge.

746
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:27.900
And then there was this hugely impressive wide shot of the extent of the drop.

747
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:29.940
You know, that was in 65.

748
00:47:30.179 --> 00:47:37.440
We're now in 1993 with considerably more money and this just looks shocking.

749
00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:40.980
No, it's impossible to work out what's going on.

750
00:47:41.460 --> 00:47:46.139
I mean, when they did go over the cliff, I did breathe a sigh of relief.

751
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:47.280
Thank God they're all dead.

752
00:47:47.340 --> 00:47:49.380
But in one sense is this the game?

753
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:50.639
Like, what has this got to do?

754
00:47:50.699 --> 00:47:52.440
Is this still the Thialo thing?

755
00:47:52.500 --> 00:47:55.199
Like, is this the, like, I just don't even know what's happening?

756
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:59.820
Like, this is where Dax is going to end, you know, you've got to go, come out.

757
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:00.780
You had to go, commander.

758
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:01.559
Leave me, you know.

759
00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:04.440
I finally holding you back.

760
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:14.760
I mean, there was a brief moment of character there where they're talking about, come on, decisions. and he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've read that book as well.

761
00:48:14.820 --> 00:48:16.079
Yeah, yeah.

762
00:48:16.139 --> 00:48:17.880
And the reference occurs on and stuff.

763
00:48:17.940 --> 00:48:18.900
Like all of that's pretty good.

764
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:23.159
So Kira goes over the cliff in a minute and they're trying to sort of drag her back.

765
00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:27.960
They managed to get her back on the ledge and we've got another 5 minutes of going along the fucking ledge.

766
00:48:28.019 --> 00:48:30.780
Is there meant to be some tension here?

767
00:48:30.780 --> 00:48:32.579
Like this, Terry's press, again.

768
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:36.960
There's meant to be some tension here, like which of them is going to be lost.

769
00:48:37.019 --> 00:48:44.880
But we really know that none of them are. sorry, but Cisco's tight trousers are very distracting with that angle.

770
00:48:44.940 --> 00:48:46.260
Did you just see that then?

771
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:48.300
You could see everything.

772
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:50.519
I was distracted by Terry's breast.

773
00:48:50.579 --> 00:48:51.360
No wonder.

774
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:52.980
No wonder Penny once.

775
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:53.820
You were just...

776
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:54.659
Who are you?

777
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:55.800
Who are you?

778
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:57.480
They are very loud.

779
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.659
Hey, Ruth's penis wasn't shot then.

780
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:02.639
Will you pay attention?

781
00:49:02.699 --> 00:49:04.920
Yeah, no, I'll run.

782
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:07.980
Penny, Johnson, Gerald looks so happy every time she sees it.

783
00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:11.099
Sorry, folks.

784
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:14.159
We have to get something to him out of this interminable sequence.

785
00:49:14.219 --> 00:49:17.159
I mean, Kira's asking quite nice.

786
00:49:17.219 --> 00:49:18.300
Look at her arse in there.

787
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:19.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

788
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:21.360
No, it's a flattering outfit.

789
00:49:21.420 --> 00:49:23.219
So we've got...

790
00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:26.400
This is so low effort, isn't it?

791
00:49:26.460 --> 00:49:29.159
We've got arse, cock, and breast.

792
00:49:29.219 --> 00:49:31.800
They're really trying to give us some visual interest here.

793
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:34.380
But I mean, this is terrible.

794
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:41.039
Like if this was real, we would be angry at how boring it is, but it's not real.

795
00:49:41.099 --> 00:49:47.159
Like it's not actually happening to them, there's a game of some sort going on, but it's impossible to tell what.

796
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:48.179
God bless the actors.

797
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:49.440
They are trying to give it some.

798
00:49:49.500 --> 00:49:53.400
But it's just the tension is just so baseless, isn't it?

799
00:49:53.460 --> 00:49:54.239
It's like...

800
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:56.519
Oh, I don't know.

801
00:49:56.579 --> 00:49:58.260
Look at this show here.

802
00:49:58.320 --> 00:49:59.760
I can't even see what is happening.

803
00:49:59.820 --> 00:50:02.760
Just the silhouettes of the people and none of them say it.

804
00:50:02.820 --> 00:50:04.380
No, it's terrible.

805
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:05.519
It is terrible.

806
00:50:05.579 --> 00:50:08.099
So this is David Carson.

807
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:10.920
Didn't he direct Star Trek generations?

808
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:13.800
And emissary and emissary.

809
00:50:13.860 --> 00:50:15.719
Brilliantly, Maio.

810
00:50:15.780 --> 00:50:26.519
And apparently, despite what we've been saying, this was a very expensive episode, but, you know, they had to bring in the stock cave set, or is it just always there?

811
00:50:26.579 --> 00:50:28.440
Someone's fallen down, now she's fallen down.

812
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:29.400
Oh, my God.

813
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:30.300
She doesn't fall down.

814
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:32.880
Well, just hearing Kira scream like that.

815
00:50:32.940 --> 00:50:34.260
She screams as she falls.

816
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:34.980
I'm like, no.

817
00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:37.199
Kira is a tough bitch.

818
00:50:37.260 --> 00:50:39.300
She's like, just let me drop.

819
00:50:39.420 --> 00:50:40.079
Oh, finally.

820
00:50:40.139 --> 00:50:42.239
Oh, wait.

821
00:50:42.300 --> 00:50:43.380
Slow motion.

822
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:47.400
Oh, did you watch about the rock bounces?

823
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:48.239
The bouncing rock?

824
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:53.940
I had full confidence in you commander that you'd be fine.

825
00:50:54.659 --> 00:51:08.219
But and again, the fact that he doesn't understand that he's lost, um, because it's only a game and people don't normally get killed if they lose a game, right?

826
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:10.139
Um, yeah.

827
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:13.139
And so like the, we were never in any real danger.

828
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.659
Like, I think a lot of people regard that as a cheat.

829
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:17.519
It's kind of like, well, what have I been watching?

830
00:51:17.579 --> 00:51:19.739
This doesn't matter now.

831
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:20.699
All of these stuff.

832
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.400
This is why we've been objecting, isn't it?

833
00:51:23.460 --> 00:51:24.840
Because it is only a game.

834
00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:26.460
Why were you pretending it's real?

835
00:51:26.460 --> 00:51:27.420
It's a TV show.

836
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:33.179
We knew that they weren't going to be harmed because it's episode 10 and, you know, they're contracted for... series.

837
00:51:33.179 --> 00:51:34.559
Episode 26.

838
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.920
Then someone's going to get out.

839
00:51:37.980 --> 00:51:40.739
So we do, we do know, and it's the end of the season.

840
00:51:40.860 --> 00:51:49.380
So we knew that they weren't going to be harmed, but what the problem isn't that, um, this, that it wasn't real. apparel wasn't real.

841
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:52.559
The problem was that it wasn't in any way interesting.

842
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:57.179
And that, like, it stopped being interesting after the Alamoraine scene.

843
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:11.519
Nothing that happens in the game is of any interest at all gives anyone a chance to show or think or work out what the rules are or, you know, they never work out where they are, like they start to have inklings, you know, it's ridiculous.

844
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:12.840
What I said earlier.

845
00:52:12.900 --> 00:52:16.619
I think they think that just the fact that this is a bit weird and different.

846
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:17.400
That's enough.

847
00:52:17.460 --> 00:52:22.380
I haven't got to put any more effort in than they would in any standard Star Trek episode.

848
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.199
And it's not enough. you know.

849
00:52:25.260 --> 00:52:29.579
In a couple of years, we do Arman Bashir as our sideways episodes.

850
00:52:29.699 --> 00:52:31.619
You know, little green men, for God's sakes.

851
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:35.820
But I mean, this needn't have been a sideways game.

852
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:40.440
It could have been something about 1st contact and it could have been something about Quark.

853
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:45.179
And, you know, it's not a 1000000 miles away from a functional episode, I think.

854
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:55.920
I was confused as well because I know I think a lot of people were in these 1st couple of years where Quark does keep getting away with doing things and there are no ramifications.

855
00:52:55.980 --> 00:52:59.699
So obviously he only cheated here on these people, but it did cause all of these problems.

856
00:52:59.699 --> 00:53:01.199
And there's no consequences.

857
00:53:01.260 --> 00:53:22.079
Like, in series two, there's an episode where he sells out the station to, um, John Glover, you know, who comes to rip out the trill from Dax and brings along Tim Russ as a Klingon and Quark's responsible for giving them access to the station. when it's going through this sort of meteor and there's no consequences for that.

858
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.079
And they realise, I think, come the end of two.

859
00:53:25.139 --> 00:53:31.500
Yeah, we can't have him pushing against the status quo as much as he is.

860
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:35.699
We need to integrate him and that's when they really sort of focus on the family and all it.

861
00:53:35.699 --> 00:53:39.059
And give him just nice things to do where we like the character.

862
00:53:39.420 --> 00:53:41.280
It is odd.

863
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:44.460
I know consequences are really a thing on Star Trek.

864
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:46.619
But like, this was all his fault.

865
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:53.400
And at the end, he's just, we're just going, oh, Quark, as he's running after them, going, fellow, you know, we could have a table on the 2nd level.

866
00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:54.960
Yeah, yeah.

867
00:53:55.019 --> 00:54:01.679
I mean, here he was just running crooked games and you would think that as the sort of administrator of the station.

868
00:54:01.739 --> 00:54:04.320
Cisco would have something to say about that.

869
00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:18.840
And I'm sure that he must, you know, under other circumstances, but it, here it wasn't like part of the thing was that it seemed to have ballooned into these sort of terrible deadly consequences which ended up not being real or whatever.

870
00:54:18.900 --> 00:54:19.980
I don't know.

871
00:54:20.099 --> 00:54:20.880
I don't know.

872
00:54:20.940 --> 00:54:23.099
I did see Avery Brooks cult, though.

873
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:24.659
So it wasn't an entire...

874
00:54:24.659 --> 00:54:27.780
Yeah, well...

875
00:54:27.780 --> 00:54:28.679
Please rewind.

876
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:29.940
What's that big again?

877
00:54:33.059 --> 00:54:37.320
What I will say is the next episode is the Nagus.

878
00:54:37.380 --> 00:54:42.119
And so they're really giving Almond some time in the lie here.

879
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:49.260
Which is great because in series one of Voyager, you didn't get many solely Neelix episodes.

880
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:53.340
So they have cotton dons on the fact that they've got a weapon here.

881
00:54:53.460 --> 00:54:55.139
They can deploy.

882
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:57.780
They just have to figure out how to get it right.

883
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.000
Here, they get it wrong, I think.

884
00:55:00.059 --> 00:55:05.099
In the next episode, they're already making the steps to absolutely get it right.

885
00:55:05.219 --> 00:55:19.619
Yeah, yeah, a kind of episode that will continue to happen all the way through the run of the show, a thing that they introduce and a thing that other characters in Ella Star Trek shows get, like a little suite of characters around them for their episodes.

886
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:31.619
Less grovelling on the floor for making a move in a board game and more Armin Schumerman as the godfather with Venetian blinds behind him stroking a terrible puppet.

887
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:47.159
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to work out where we're going next.

888
00:55:47.219 --> 00:55:53.519
It's been a little while since we've been here, but I want to go back to the 1960s.

889
00:55:53.579 --> 00:55:55.260
Oh, next week.

890
00:55:55.380 --> 00:55:56.519
Yes, please.

891
00:55:56.579 --> 00:56:01.980
So it's going to be an episode of Star Trek, the original series.

892
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:04.199
What you think?

893
00:56:04.260 --> 00:56:05.820
I think that sounds wonderful.

894
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:07.320
It feels ages, actually.

895
00:56:07.380 --> 00:56:08.820
We've been to the 60s.

896
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:10.440
It does feel like a while.

897
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:15.599
Let's stop watching all this bland stuff from the 90s and go and watch a bit of pop.

898
00:56:15.659 --> 00:56:18.780
Yes, and possible incompetence.

899
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:22.619
Let's see how we go and possibly something problematic.

900
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:23.579
Yes.

901
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:25.800
Excellent.

902
00:56:25.860 --> 00:56:27.360
Well, I'm excited.

903
00:56:27.420 --> 00:56:28.920
All right, here goes.

904
00:56:29.820 --> 00:56:43.199
Your random Star Trek, the original series episode is season one, episode 16, the Galileo 7, which we did in episode 84 of Untitled Star Trek Project.

905
00:56:43.260 --> 00:56:47.340
It's a shame, you know, because series season one of TOS is probably the strongest year.

906
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:50.400
Yeah, although that wasn't a good episode. though.

907
00:56:50.460 --> 00:56:51.659
All right.

908
00:56:52.619 --> 00:56:57.659
Ooh, season three, episode 20.

909
00:56:58.380 --> 00:57:00.900
The way to Eden.

910
00:57:01.019 --> 00:57:02.639
Oh, yes, please.

911
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:08.699
Yes, of weird camp things.

912
00:57:09.179 --> 00:57:12.179
The way to eat and...

913
00:57:12.179 --> 00:57:13.019
Spice hippies.

914
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:13.260
Yes.

915
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:13.860
Yes.

916
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:14.940
Yes.

917
00:57:14.940 --> 00:57:15.599
Oh.

918
00:57:15.659 --> 00:57:24.059
Spock becomes entirely seduced by the hippies that come to TOS. and they all start crooning and playing their space guitar.

919
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:25.920
Yes, I remember this.

920
00:57:25.980 --> 00:57:27.000
It's true.

921
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:29.699
I canonizingly awful.

922
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:30.840
Absolutely terrible.

923
00:57:30.900 --> 00:57:32.519
So that's too in a row.

924
00:57:32.579 --> 00:57:34.380
But I think we have to do it.

925
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:44.820
Another fun fact, it aired exactly 2 months and a week before my birthday, the day of my birth.

926
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:48.780
So it's...

927
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:49.260
It is.

928
00:57:50.940 --> 00:57:55.619
It's telling us, you know, something glorious and camp is coming.

929
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:57.840
Prepare yourselves, everybody.

930
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:07.500
I wonder if your mother watched The Way to Eden whilst you know, you was percolating in her tummy.

931
00:58:07.619 --> 00:58:11.219
I am 100% certain that she did not.

932
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:12.840
Oh shame.

933
00:58:14.579 --> 00:58:18.539
You were there at the walls of her tummy going, that sounds good.

934
00:58:18.599 --> 00:58:21.420
I'll check that out in 40 years or so.

935
00:58:24.179 --> 00:58:28.559
Oh, sounds absolutely dismal and delightful.

936
00:58:28.619 --> 00:58:29.820
Let's do it.

937
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:42.960
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

938
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:49.320
We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

939
00:58:49.380 --> 00:58:54.840
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sizeran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

940
00:58:54.900 --> 00:59:00.840
This episode was recorded on the 24th of December 2024 and released on the 27th of December.

941
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:24.300
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the original series, The Way to Eden. shit.

942
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:32.699
Literally, the so that was on a 2 story VHS, right?

943
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:33.840
Yeah.

944
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:42.780
And I asked for a Star Trek video for Christmas and I was obsessed with Next Generation and I can't tell you.

945
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:44.280
I was so excited.

946
00:59:44.340 --> 00:59:46.559
I was going to burst like a spot.

947
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:48.539
I really open the paper.

948
00:59:48.659 --> 00:59:49.739
There it was.

949
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:55.800
And I burst into tears and they thought they were, they thought they were tears of joy.

950
00:59:55.860 --> 00:59:57.119
Oh, he's so happy.

951
00:59:57.119 --> 00:59:58.440
I didn't want this.

952
00:59:58.500 --> 00:59:59.639
I'm waving it.

953
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:03.840
And then even worse, I watched it.

954
01:00:03.900 --> 01:00:05.639
I was like, oh, God.

955
01:00:05.699 --> 01:00:07.980
Well, do you remember what else was on it?

956
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:10.500
No, I don't.

957
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:11.940
I just remember the hippie one.

958
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:15.900
I only ever watched it once and then consigned it to the back.

959
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:17.280
I wanted Wesley Crusher.

960
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:22.139
The love of my life when I was 12, you know?

961
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:27.300
Well, this is full on Freddie Freiburger shit, isn't it?

962
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:34.320
I think all sort of sanity has been deserted at this point.

963
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:39.300
Which, you know, it's a good follow-on from move along home.

964
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:44.400
Yeah, yeah, it's too tragically similar messes.

965
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:48.599
And then I'll keep rolling until we get something. a good one of some time.

966
01:00:48.659 --> 01:00:50.760
I'll take competent after this pair.