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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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And hey, Fraser.

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Hey, Nathan.

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So today, we are watching the 8th Star Trek film.

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It's Star Trek 1st contact, and it was released in 1996 in November here in Australia, and just a little bit later in December in the UK, which means it's a Christmas movie.

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Oh, fantastic.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So let's let's just start by saying what we think of it.

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I think that one of my jobs here is to have unusual opinions about a night in Sick Bay, which is, of course, excellent and Genesis and so on.

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How do you feel about this film, Fraser?

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Um, it's a tricky one this.

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I can never figure out, is it simply the best of the next generation films or is it the best of the films full stop?

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Oh, that's a high bar, Fraser.

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This and the Wrath of Korn are just up there at the top.

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On certain days, it'll be Rathicorn on certain days, it'll be be 1st contact.

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I don't think I can work this highly enough, to be honest.

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It's absolutely fantastic.

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Yeah, I think I'm in a similar position.

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I think this might be the best Star Trek film.

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It is without a doubt, the best Star Trek, the Next Generation film. but it is entirely possible it's the best one or up.

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And I think that's sort of slightly boring.

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I feel that I'm coming at this with the midest possible opinion.

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Well, don't worry, I'm here to contradict both of you.

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I mean, I disagree with both of you, unfortunately.

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I do think this is a high bar next generation film, but overall, that's a low bar.

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Because the other 3 are dismal in many ways.

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So this is the fact this stands out like a sore thumb just by being good is not high praise.

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I don't think it's as good as the best of the TOS movies.

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And I think there is one massive problem with this movie that I just can't get over.

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Is it Neelix?

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No, I'd rather I like it even for turning up in this.

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Yeah, without all that hideous latex slapped all over his face for once.

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I think that Paul, is this Ron Moore and Brannan Braga writing this?

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Um, no, it's it's Rick Berman, Branen Braga.

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Okay, maybe that's the problem then, because I don't think the pair of them can get out of the episodic TV mindset.

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And this, to me, feels like an extremely expensive, incredibly well executed, 2 part next generation episode, full of the colony planets, full of lots of scenes walking around the spaceship, full of the Borg, all these things that we normally get in our Star Trek, the next generation episodes, and it's great.

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I don't remember, it's really fun, but don't feel like a movie to me at all.

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Not in the way that 6 feels like a movie that we're spanning the universe, not like the way 5 felt like a movie where we're going somewhere batshit crazy with God.

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Not like 4 felt like a movie to me where we went back in time.

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And this, to me, it feels like an incredibly good Star Trek, the Next Generation episode.

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And I think that's a problem.

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Yeah, I mean, there are things about the Star Trek original series films like the amount of time that's passed since the show was on, and just generally the bigger scale, the willingness to change the status quo that those films do.

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And the way that they kind of move off format as well, you know, they lose the enterprise and all of that sort of thing.

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This is, I think, as you say, very, very much like an episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation, but I think, I think the stakes are higher, and I think it just looks so amazing.

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Yeah, I mean, there's £40000000 in it.

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It's a Star Trek the Next Generation episode with £40000000 spent on it.

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You know, like, of course, it looks amazing.

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But it doesn't really have much ambition beyond going back in time and doing your standard Star Trek episode and running around the ship firing a Borg like your standard Star Trek episode.

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And that's not a bad thing because we like standard Star Trek episodes. it is a movie.

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It is a movie.

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I remember seeing this at the pictures.

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I remember back in December of 1986 going to see this.

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It was the 2nd Star Trek film I managed to see at the cinema, the 1st billion generations.

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And it was a fantastic film.

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I went to see it twice.

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I don't often go and see films twice, but I made a point of I have to go back and see this again.

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It felt very much like a new start for the franchise as it were.

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You had the show, the show ended, you got to fill them out of it.

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The generation's very much is a Star Trek episode, but with a bigger budget, and this felt completely fresh and new and exciting, new uniforms, new ship, there was a bigger sense of scale to it.

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There was a different sort of soundtrack to it.

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The structure of it is very much a film.

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I'm going to completely disagree that this feels like a two-parter because it has no flab in it whatsoever.

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From the very 1st scene we are in it to the action.

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The plot kicks off and it doesn't stop going.

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You go straight through, you go back in time, you go to planet Earth, and then you have your Airplot and your B plot is very filmic, and I'm still waiting for you to tell me anything this film has done that's completely original and ambitious in creative terms.

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It's it's not.

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So here's what I think.

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Here's what I think, is that it takes a big hole in the Star Trek law, and it's an important moment in Earth's history that we've never been asked to wonder or speculate about.

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We know nothing at all about it.

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And so even though the B plot, and let's call it the B plot, even though it actually gets the title of the film.

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The B plot on earth was Zefraim Cochrane and Geordie and Riker and all of that sort of thing, where it's made clear that Watts at stake is the very existence of Star Trek itself.

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And so it has a bigger scale in Star Trek, the Next Generation, because in a sense, what happens if we don't win is there's no Star Trek.

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And the thing that I always say about Birmingham Braga is that they showed no real apparent interest in the politics of Star Trek.

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But here, the politics of Star Trek are right in the centre.

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And what's at risk is that fantastic socialist utopia where there's no money, no poverty, no disease, no war.

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In 50 years time, that's going to happen.

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Um, and there's that moment at the end where, where Picard says to Lily, I'm really excited for you.

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I envy you because of what you're about to go through and what you're about to experience.

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And so like what you're about to experience is enterprise, so it's not that great.

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But essentially, that's what I think gives it a bigger scale than a normal Star Trek episode.

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It's not the, you know, the future of the federation that's at risk.

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It's the federation and its ideas themselves.

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And I think that's huge and it's not at all what I expect from those two.

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I said to you in the chat that one of my issues with this movie was that I did really like this movie.

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I want to make that clear.

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I just think it would be very boring of the 3 of us city of 2 hours saying this movie is amazing.

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It's Christmas.

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I'm going to be the Christmas Grinch, Star Trek Christmas Grinch.

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One of my issues is I'm washing it now and I'm not watching it when it came out, because when it came out, it blew my mind, especially visually.

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Now I'm watching it.

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I've seen the 1st contact plot done about 15 other times in various Star Trek episodes.

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I've also seen DS9 do, you know, creatively ambitious things that far supersede this movie and I've seen Kurtzman Trek do things that far supersede that.

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So this all feels a little Pat now compared to how it would have done then.

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And that is kind of a problem when you come back to things, right?

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You can't really put yourself back into the mindset of when you were, when did this come out?

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95?

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What was I, 15?

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96.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 16 years old.

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And so, and, and, and, you know what?

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I'm going to be positive.

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So I'm going to shove in my last issue now.

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It's just the Borg.

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I'm so bored of the Borg, and that's not a 1996 problem.

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That is a 2024 problem. in that Voyager just ekes the Bork to death and then they came back again in Kurtzman trick and that was a bit tedious.

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And I'm just so bored of them now.

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Like, what, there's, there really is nothing particularly exciting about the ball beyond best of both worlds.

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And after that, in terms of imagination, it just deflates like a balloon, you know, we can't really do much else with them.

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The thing that works with the Bork here is obviously they've just got the money to blow up the shit spectacularly and have amazing action sequences with them and they are very, very, very cool.

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But I'm a bit Borg fatigued.

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So I did watch this going, well, that was fun, but it was the Borg.

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I think the interesting thing that they do with the Bork here, Joe, is the queen.

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They're bringing the queen.

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Yeah, but they've done the queen load since.

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That's another 2020.

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Oh my word. back in time.

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Come on, let's go back in time. watching this now with you.

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Let's go through that Chroniton tunnel, follow the sphere. back in time and let's just enjoy something new.

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This is another thing, you know, the, we had the Borg in next generation.

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We come in DS9 before we had them in Voyager really as well.

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We got a sort of fresh injection into the Borg, taken away from just, you know, faceless sort of cybermen, give them a bit of character, and funnel that couch into one specific character, this sort of paradox as you were of the collective hive mind being one individual.

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And that really works.

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You can see why Voyager wanted to do more with this character, why they wanted to bring her back Italy, though.

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Badly.

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Yeah, but we're not talking for you, Joe, we're talking for his contact.

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It's really good.

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It's great.

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Yay.

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That's good.

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I have some reservations about the poor queen and I can just about forgive her because the Borg queen that we saw in Picard series 2 was so fantastic.

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Like absolutely brilliant.

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I liked the Borg when they couldn't be understood or reasoned with.

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And you lose something.

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What do you gain as Alice Krieg?

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And she's awesome, and those scenes with her and data, and those scenes with her bicard are just tremendous.

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Like I can see why they did it, but you do lose something, you know, where the Borg is just that collective voice that you hear earlier.

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And remember when they would appear on the, on the viewscreen in, in best of both worlds and things, where all you would see is just the ship, because there's no one talking to you because everyone's talking to you.

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You know, they're implacable and incomprehensible, whereas you've got sort of sexy Alice Krieg, who's sort of a bit moist and has brought her breasts with her, and, you know, like, that's all great.

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Like, I'm absolutely on board with that, but it's, it's a little bit less interesting, I think, than the original conception.

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Very confusing, you know, because I've been listening to quite a few big finishes lately with Alice Krieg in them.

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She's one of their staple actors now.

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So here in the Ball Queen and Tom Baker, because she does sort of the same voice, some of her roles.

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My god, it's like clash off the clash of the series, you know, it's very confusing.

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Well, I think we should probably go in.

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I mean, I have been a bit a bit rude at the start of this episode, but I do want to say it's a really good movie.

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It's super fun to watch and most of the issues are mine rather than the movie's problems.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I have to say that I agree with you about the scale thing.

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Like, that isn't something that had occurred to me.

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And, you know, when we talk about Enterprise Series 4 and how we like it because it changes the status quo, and that's a thing that the Star Trek films do. you know, Kirk's getting older and and things change, is an admiral. and then, you know, this is just a couple of years after Star Trek, the next generation ended.

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And so it's still the status quo, even though he blew up the ship last time, you know, he's the ship back in a thrilling new form.

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But given that that's not what they wanted to do, and given that that, you know, they're just coming back only a few years after the show finished, I think this is a pretty astoundingly great piece of work, and it vastly surpasses most of what they did when they were writing for the show.

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It's like the voyage home of Next Generation, isn't it?

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I think it's the TNG movie that anyone can watch.

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Yeah.

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I'll talk a little bit about that because I do think that that's one of the things that is the movie's job.

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And I think that Star Trek generation failed terribly at the job of being for normal people to go to the cinema and watch, whereas this absolutely nailed it.

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Fraser, Fraser is a problem, you know, because we've done the voyage home and 1st contact back to back last year and this year where he hadn't got many good movies left.

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Oh, we've got loads of good movies left.

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We're just talking about.

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I'm going to shout out now letting you talk because you're going to be much nicer than me.

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All right.

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Well, in that case, I think we'll go in.

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So I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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This opening credits thing is very boring, isn't it?

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Oh.

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I thought it was to.

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The problem you've got is you listen to it without the sound because, I mean, I put this on to check the subtitles before we recorded and I didn't turn it off because you get the little Paramount mountain and you get the do-do-do.

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You get the, and then you get the best soundtrack out of an entire Star Trek film kicking in.

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It's one theme.

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Well, take your word for it.

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I can't hear it right now.

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Exactly.

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That's what I'm saying.

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The problem we can't hear.

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We should all probably just turn the volume up and shut up for 2 minutes.

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That, this, this theme, I absolutely do.

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I stand and do my dishes, listen to this music.

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I'll walk the dog and I'll listen to this music because I just absolutely adore it.

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I think that, you know, credits we don't get credits anymore.

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Do it in films, we don't get opening credits.

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We just go straight in.

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I just love it.

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The, the, the, the names just appear in, out of the fog, as it were, backing off and then, you know, we'll eventually go into Picard's eye, which is a bit grimmer.

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But yeah, I love it.

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I mean, in generations, they did that bottle flying through space. you remember?

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Which is slowly.

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And then eventually smashed into the spaceship.

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So there was a bit of visual invention.

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This is just a load of names.

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Oh, but what means?

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It is literally only the names.

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And look, I think the music is really great, and I can see why they went for it in Picard series 3, although I was a little bit, sorry, to lose the original, the original soundtrack, but I mean, this is better than the Star Trek, the Next Generation theme, and maybe this is the music that we remember them by.

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It could have been much worse than the next generation.

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It's terrible.

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But, but this is just the names out of focus coming into focus and they'll be in front of the next name that's out of focus.

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I bet he's completely open at the end of... undiscovered...

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No, no.

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No, that's wonderful.

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I love that.

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It's wonderful.

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Isn't that signing off though, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. terrific. great.

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But I think the problem is that normally you do a spa, you know, like you do a uh, um, a starfield, don't you?

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You go through a starfield, and we, you know, we kind of did a joke where we didn't know whether it was a massive, you know, whether it was Viga, and it turns out it was a bottle of Dom Perignon, you know, and that was kind of a visual gag, and I thought that worked kind of well.

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But what do you do here?

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You can't, you want to open up in the most intimate way possible on Picard's eye.

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So you've got nothing.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And so we get this shot of his eye.

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And this incredible opening, Sean.

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So good.

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Oh, look, God, I forgot who wore the old uniform, just for a 2nd, yeah.

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Yeah, well.

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Attention to detail.

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Well done, Jonathan Frakes.

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There's your skill, Joe. Look at that.

219
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It's visual scale.

220
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It's not creative scale.

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That's what I'm saying.

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And I think it's really brilliant too, the way that the, the, the, his iris and pupil keep being repeated as we go through these various circulular elements as well.

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You know, as it pulls back.

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We get more and more circles and stuff, even though it's this sort of Borg thing.

225
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Nathan, compare this to those scenes we had going around the ball, Cuban Scorpion.

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Do you remember those ones?

227
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I mean, it's so confusing to see next generation lit this well, isn't it?

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Have you, have you thought about what the, what the Borg looked like in Q Haku, where they're just kind of like punchy people in onesies with a, like, you know, like with a few tubes?

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those ones.

230
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They're a bit like the 1st side men, aren't they?

231
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You know, sort of cobbled together.

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See, that's what's happening here too.

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They're being reimagined and they're using a lot of the designed elements from alien, aliens in particular, I think.

234
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Oh, this. is so good.

235
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Wow.

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Um, Yeah, yeah, and that's a new thing that they're doing because they weren't like zombies.

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Like they weren't like mottled necrotic dead bodies or anything.

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They were just guys with white makeup.

239
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Don't you tell me, Fraser Gregory, they say, like a next generation episode.

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Look, there's stock admiral number 5 just beaming into the dance squad.

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I'm just sitting thinking, I wish I had a ready room at work.

242
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I could have a napping.

243
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Oh, man.

244
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Why is he napping?

245
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you've got a bridge.

246
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I'm off for a nana.

247
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He's become like Cassandra now, hasn't he?

248
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I know the Borg.

249
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Theirs were 1st bit of starship porn on there.

250
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Yeah, that is cool.

251
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And it's a gorgeous movie.

252
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They also say a stunning ship. $40 million.

253
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It's a lot of money.

254
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It might be a good looking movie.

255
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Wow.

256
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Look at that nebula as well.

257
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Now the little ships are back in the in the observation lounge will come back to yours.

258
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In fact, the observation now looks smaller than it did in the old next generation episodes.

259
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It's funny, but the bridge is substantially smaller, and we've spoken before about how stupid the Star Trek the Next Generation bridge is because it's got all that space for the cameras to kind of move around.

260
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How Darwin looks like in long shot.

261
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They don't have to do those shots from the front now trying to get everybody into shot, you know?

262
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Although we do know a bit of that.

263
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Oh, there's so much handheld in this, though.

264
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Oh it's fabulous.

265
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Yeah.

266
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So one thing that's true is that one thing that you don't realise as you're watching it is that Starfleet Commander completely right about keeping him away because he's a nutcase and he behaves like an absolute, you know, it's only thanks to Lily, who kind of talks him down from being Captain Ahab.

267
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And so it turns out they were right to keep him away.

268
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This is beautiful.

269
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In his defence, he does save the entire rest of the fleet once he gets there.

270
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Yeah, that's true. in his favour, you know, in the debriefing afterwards.

271
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Yeah, so yeah, you disappeared your order, but you did save the planet Earth.

272
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We'll just bust you down to Lieutenant Commander, whatever.

273
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You know, when the Enterprise just sort of zoomed into shot there for a second.

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I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that this morning when I was watching this, I said to my Mark, oh, what shit's that?

275
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And then I realised that was the enterprise.

276
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I thought there was a fleet coming along and the ball were engaging straight away.

277
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I'm so used to that enormous saucer, you know, on the Enterprise D. Yeah.

278
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Yeah.

279
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It's a beautiful ship, though.

280
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The sovereign class enterprise E, it really is amazing.

281
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Yeah, I mean, that old one was a bizarre design, wasn't it?

282
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Top heavy.

283
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With the tiny little legs, you know.

284
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Well, it's always a little bit.

285
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Yeah, it was very top heavy, wasn't it?

286
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Like it was the big, big.

287
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Like some of those shots from below where it looked very bizarre.

288
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It's, they don't surprise deeds, like someone got the enterprise and stood on it.

289
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Squish.

290
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Can I say something hugely positive about this movie?

291
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Go on.

292
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I think all of the interactions between the Enterprise crew, all of the banter, all of it works like gangbusters, the chokes land, the chemistry is there, like, it's like after, they've got generations out of their system now, all that all, Picard, you know, angsty getting news about his family died, all that bullshit's out of the way.

293
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Now we're going to have an adventure and they're all up for it.

294
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But they don't lose the angsty bits.

295
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There's still so much character for Picard to explore with Picard and to explore with data.

296
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I mean, obviously the probably the biggest flaw with this film is that because you were concentrating on 2 characters, the others get a little bit of a shorter shrift, so, you know, poor Beverly, poor DNA.

297
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I don't think that's a problem, Frank.

298
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They have their own idea of strength.

299
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They have their moments in the really enjoyable moments, but, you know, obviously for reasons they have to be sideline a little bit.

300
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I felt so sorry for Beverly.

301
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She's in like, you know, she gets one major scene and she's upstaged by Robert Picardo.

302
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Yeah, that's normal, trying to avoid.

303
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I think I think that because this has to do the job of being a Star Trek film that other people can watch that's centring on the 2 breakout character, like the breakout character and the central character is the right choice.

304
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And in fact, by having a tiny guest cast, they actually do give the crew quite a lot to do.

305
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And that might feed into Joe's feeling that it feels like an extended Star Trek episode because there are so few guest actors, you know, there's not lots of admirals and things.

306
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There's not lots of proud scenes.

307
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There's not, well, there's in the holodeck, but it is just focussing on our characters, which is kind of why we're here.

308
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I mean, that is a massive strength of the movie because I think James Cromwell and please say the name for me before I say it.

309
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Arfrey Woodard. you very much.

310
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They're both exceptionally good and but like a really good Next Generation 2 barter.

311
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They will bring in a great actor to play a really vivid role.

312
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It'd often be James Cromwell actually.

313
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It does mean we get less Dr. Beverly as a result, though.

314
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The most impressive thing about the new enterprise is how quick it travels.

315
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It does travel at the speed of plot. and gets from the...

316
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Why did they stop doing fireworks on models?

317
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I mean, look at them.

318
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No, they're mad.

319
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There he is.

320
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Yeah, he comes.

321
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Yeah.

322
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It's off.

323
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And I'm a bit of a show.

324
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The Defiant.

325
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I love that little sting of the Klingon theme into the music as well.

326
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Yes.

327
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So the guy in the front, that's actually Adam Scott, who is Trevor in the Good Place.

328
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He's the demon in the good place.

329
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Is he?

330
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And he's the lead in severance on Apple TV.

331
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And of course, obviously this is nearly 20 years ago, so he's much younger and prezier than he is now.

332
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Trevor was great, though.

333
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I know, just terrific.

334
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He's really good.

335
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I must say that in a minute when this Borg ship blows, it is the best explosion in Star Trek of all time.

336
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You'll be pleased to hear the admiral just got killed by the way.

337
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Is that stock admiral number five?

338
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That's right.

339
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I mean, the admiral come Nemesis is Janeway, isn't it?

340
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

341
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No, but I mean, they got the money so they can do bull sort of war action here, can't they?

342
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And not a rock inside it.

343
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So we'll talk about the rocks later.

344
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Um, So, one of the, one of the things that I think is incredibly good here is that the plot is understandable by a normal person, it's, we have to make sure that this rocket launches, and we get to that point how quickly, like maybe 15 minutes in, everything is set up, and the, the, your speed of plot remarked before, Fraser, it's just incredibly quick.

345
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We have this introductory thing.

346
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We meet wharf, we're off to the battle, we've pursue the Borg sphere, down the thing, we discover what's at stake, and now we're ready to go.

347
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It's really quick.

348
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I mean, we're 12 minutes in and I think a lot of the butcher's been spent already.

349
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There's your two.

350
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You're right.

351
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But I will say, though, I did notice then, once we go back in time, that the pace just crawls for about 20 minutes and it's not until the Borg starts.

352
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So that's an odd way to pay some movie.

353
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Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

354
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Nothing happens for 20 minutes and then the action starts again.

355
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I was like, it's, it's, it's getting you in.

356
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It gets, like I said, the plot starts from that very 1st scene.

357
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Picard wakes up and the plot is instantly kicked off.

358
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We get to this point, we're 15 minutes in, you get to plant earth, and then you build a bit of suspense, you have the chance to kind of go, okay, that's, That's the start then.

359
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We'll just cool with jets a little bit because we can't keep this pace going indefinitely.

360
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We ran out of money.

361
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We've just blown it all up.

362
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We'll just slow it down a bit.

363
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We'll build a bit of suspense and then we will start building it up and we'll take it forward from there.

364
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40000000 Fraser.

365
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They've got 4000000 to spend.

366
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But we want to spend time with the characters talking.

367
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We don't want all to wall to wall explosions. would be a problem.

368
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I want to see the scene on the ball ship. you know, when they know the ship's going to blow and they're like, 0 my god, we need a plan B, quick, send the sphere out.

369
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They make that decision very quickly, don't they?

370
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But, you know, they're good improvisers.

371
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Essentially, this is dieholding space.

372
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It turns into diehard in space.

373
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And even diehard has moments where John McLean has to stop and talk to O. No, but Fraser, I mean, I have to say, they did do Die Hard in space as a next generation episode in Starship Mine.

374
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They reference here, I think, at the end in the final scene. anyone wants to do die hard since.

375
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It looks more impressive here.

376
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That's just Picard going around in a tank top. which is pretty great.

377
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I mean, he goes, he's been working out, isn't he?

378
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Because he takes all of his gear off in this.

379
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Yep, yeah.

380
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Yeah, see all of this stuff, you know, the temporal wake, all of that sort of stupid techno babble, which has just needed to make the plot happen, needed to kind of answer our questions.

381
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It's perfect, you know?

382
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And so there's the mission statement at 13 minutes and 49 seconds, you know, we've got to go back and repair the damage that they've caused.

383
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It's perfect.

384
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I'll tell you what is perfect.

385
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You know, in, um, what's the movie Galaxy Quest, where Sigourney Weaver's character goes, look, I've got one thing to do on this show.

386
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All right?

387
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I say the exposition bits and I'm gonna do it.

388
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So Beverly Crusher just came in there a minute ago and went, oh, we've got a patient here that needs to see you, captain.

389
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I was like, she's literally the Sigourney weepy character in this movie, isn't she?

390
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Bless her.

391
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She gets to go down to the, like she goes down 1st, doesn't she?

392
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It's her and Picard and they end up back on board the ship eventually, but so she gets a bit of a go.

393
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This is the most expensive stock colony set we've ever seen.

394
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It's clearly on location, isn't it?

395
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They've built all these buildings on location and I think it works really well.

396
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It's like a small village in Montana and...

397
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It looks like a small village in Montana.

398
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It does.

399
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It's 2063.

400
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Is that right?

401
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It doesn't look like they've just went out the studios in California to the hills.

402
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I do promise. last time.

403
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It is the last time I'm going to say this, but $40000000 guys.

404
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It better fucking not look like I've just gone out in somewhere in Montana. $40000000 in 1996. is not a huge budget.

405
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You know what I mean?

406
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It's more than your standard Star Trek...

407
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But it's on, it's on screen, like that money is all on screen.

408
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They do a really good job with it.

409
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They've got James Cromwell in, of course, it's on the screen.

410
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Didn't they only have something like 4 Borg costumes?

411
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Oh really?

412
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Yeah, yeah.

413
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CGI'd all the rest.

414
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Yeah, yeah.

415
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The senior company later where it's like, the door goes up and you just see the laser.

416
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That's all CGI.

417
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All the rest is just the same 4 or 5 or 6 costumes re, you know, repurposed.

418
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So obviously, you know, you just move a bit of, you know, techno around your your wetsuit and, you know, you just make them look different, but they are just, you know, compared with generations where they were dressing, um, Jonathan Frakes in, maybe books as, um, DS9 uniform, and obviously, you know, that he comes up to his, now you are talking, Fraser Gregory.

419
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You know, it's a lot it's a lot more professional in that respect.

420
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Can we just imagine, let's take what Fraser just said there for a 2nd and imagine Avery Brooks at the end of this film with his gear off, fighting the Hawk in all tunnels.

421
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I mean, it would automatically be the best Star Trek we're walking over.

422
00:30:53.339 --> 00:30:56.039
Well, I'm thinking about everybody's naked.

423
00:30:56.099 --> 00:30:56.579
Come on now.

424
00:30:56.940 --> 00:30:58.920
What's more important?

425
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:04.019
I've got to say, though, you know, you know when they do have all those balls on the ship later?

426
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:06.299
Yeah, all those 100s of balls.

427
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.700
I mean, I think that was my favourite part of the whole movie.

428
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:17.940
Those middle sections where they were just doing running around the corridors and killing loads of people, like a standard Star Trek episode, but done really, really well.

429
00:31:18.299 --> 00:31:20.940
See, my favourite bit.

430
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.140
I think is down on the planet where they're helping get the Phoenix launched.

431
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:25.920
I really like that.

432
00:31:25.980 --> 00:31:28.200
Of course it is.

433
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:28.799
I know why.

434
00:31:28.859 --> 00:31:30.000
I know why.

435
00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:33.420
We're gonna have words about that scene, all right?

436
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.240
Fraser, can I ask you, please?

437
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:44.700
Oh, for all of these Next Generation, because I don't get to talk to you about Next Generation, ever.

438
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:46.259
Who's your favourites?

439
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:47.339
Um.

440
00:31:47.339 --> 00:31:48.839
Ah.

441
00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:50.640
That's tricky.

442
00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:51.000
I mean.

443
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.779
They've all got something going for them, haven't they, really?

444
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:55.980
Well, most of them.

445
00:31:56.099 --> 00:31:56.880
Dr. Bev?

446
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.400
I wouldn't say she was my favourite.

447
00:31:59.460 --> 00:32:06.599
I think I've always liked Geordie, to be honest, because I am a Geordie and we don't have to.

448
00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:10.440
But, you know, I mean, I like techno babble.

449
00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:23.460
I know you don't like, like it, but you know, it just, I think what the, sort of the next generation onwards really got right was the technobabble and how, although it is just all, you know, fluff and bobbins.

450
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:25.200
It doesn't actually sound fluff and bobbins.

451
00:32:25.259 --> 00:32:34.259
It actually sounds like it could actually be, you know, 200 years from now actually true. you know, when you're talking about things like chroniton particles and waves and temporal fields and whatnot.

452
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.900
It sounds, it isn't, but it sounds legit.

453
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:41.220
So, you know, data, Geordie characters, I get to do that.

454
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:44.460
Boy, I want to talk about it. wharf.

455
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:45.420
Of course, it's wharf.

456
00:32:46.019 --> 00:32:55.500
There's double-hour bastard going around, slashing everyone with knives and whatnot, and then pops up on DS9 to give that a little bit of a even more of a lift than it already had.

457
00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:01.140
Nathan, I was just thinking, maybe we should bring in Fraser, freelance, as a techno-babble trials later.

458
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:02.039
We do these episodes.

459
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.799
We don't have a clue what they're talking about.

460
00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:06.900
Just send us the script on, explain what it is.

461
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:12.660
I mean, the great thing is, of course, that you've got LeVar doing most of the techno Babylon, he's fucking brilliant at it.

462
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:14.700
Wow, he's beautiful as well.

463
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.319
Yes, be honest.

464
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:17.039
Those lips.

465
00:33:17.099 --> 00:33:24.839
So he's Alfred Woodard, who is fresh from her guest appearance in Star Trek lower decks last week.

466
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

467
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:30.960
What, the actress?

468
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:32.460
Or just...

469
00:33:32.579 --> 00:33:33.480
No playing Lily.

470
00:33:33.539 --> 00:33:34.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

471
00:33:34.259 --> 00:33:35.220
Oh, come on.

472
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.019
I love that shower.

473
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.119
Does she have a machine gun?

474
00:33:39.180 --> 00:33:40.859
She doesn't have a machine gun.

475
00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:42.539
No, she doesn't have a machine gun.

476
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:43.440
She is pretty great.

477
00:33:43.500 --> 00:33:49.500
There are quite a lot of guest actors and I'm not going to spoil it for you, but there are quite a lot of guest actors.

478
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:51.539
Was that a last episode?

479
00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:52.680
The 2nd last episode.

480
00:33:52.740 --> 00:33:55.079
Oh, they're going for it, are they?

481
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:56.339
They are going through it.

482
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:56.940
Yeah.

483
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:57.480
Yeah.

484
00:33:57.539 --> 00:33:58.740
And she was wonderful in it.

485
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:00.900
Like it was terrific to see her back.

486
00:34:01.740 --> 00:34:04.619
Oh, look, here's Beverly Crusher now.

487
00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:07.140
She's medical babble.

488
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:08.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

489
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.739
I mean, I've got to say her hair's never looked better.

490
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:12.360
Look at him. looks fabulous. looks great.

491
00:34:12.420 --> 00:34:13.440
It does look great.

492
00:34:13.500 --> 00:34:22.920
And here, again, we think that Beverly is good when she knows what she's saying when the when the actor knows what the scene is about.

493
00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:27.300
And so she's terrible with technobabble, but she's really good with this stuff.

494
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:28.139
And I loved her.

495
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:29.820
Yes, I'll keep her unconscious.

496
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.260
I know about the prime directive.

497
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:32.639
It'll be fine, you know.

498
00:34:32.699 --> 00:34:34.739
Sure talk, John. do my job.

499
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:35.579
Go on.

500
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.380
That's why that bit where she says to the medical hologram, you know.

501
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:41.340
Make something up.

502
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:42.000
Just distract them.

503
00:34:42.059 --> 00:34:45.420
Do it, Jan. Actually, she's convincing in that bit.

504
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:46.980
It's wonderful.

505
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:49.199
All of that bowling in the background.

506
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:53.340
They've got so much money.

507
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.860
They could afford to make up a bone ear.

508
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:02.280
I'm not sure. can't remember I think it's about 30000000 in the translation.

509
00:35:02.340 --> 00:35:03.780
You could do with an extra 10, I think.

510
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:04.679
Yeah.

511
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:06.300
This is great though.

512
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:07.920
I mean, is that it?

513
00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:09.360
Is the rocket a set?

514
00:35:09.420 --> 00:35:11.699
It's incredible. they build a rocket?

515
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.579
I mean, this is 1996 when we're...

516
00:35:14.579 --> 00:35:17.099
We are not at the point of CJ and everything.

517
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:18.780
This is, you know, CJ is starting.

518
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:21.539
It's coming. is amazing.

519
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:35.639
In fact, when you look at the rocket from above, it looks like a Star Trek prop, it has that sort of matte sheen thing, you remember the stupid rocket in Star Trek generations that McDowell's firing at Viridian for?

520
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.139
Oh, it looks so cheap.

521
00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:42.360
It looks like the walls of, it looks like a panel on Deep Space 9.

522
00:35:42.420 --> 00:35:43.079
Do you know what I mean?

523
00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:44.280
It's that not this.

524
00:35:44.340 --> 00:35:47.219
Like this scene where it looks, it looks shiny.

525
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:48.659
There's a reflective surface there.

526
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:51.480
But otherwise it looks a bit crap.

527
00:35:51.539 --> 00:36:00.480
But this, I think, is where Braga and Berman get the idea for what the look of enterprise is going to be because...

528
00:36:00.539 --> 00:36:02.639
Enterprise is a sequel to this.

529
00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:07.079
It's not a prequel to Star Trek, any of the other Star Trek we've had.

530
00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:08.579
It's a sequel to this.

531
00:36:08.699 --> 00:36:15.239
It's set just, you know, decades afterwards or, you know, 90, 80 years afterwards.

532
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.579
Look at Marina. 4 of that.

533
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:18.719
I never thought of that.

534
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:23.280
Actually, the success of this movie could be wild.

535
00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:25.440
It was quite a catalyst of Enterprise.

536
00:36:25.500 --> 00:36:25.739
Yeah.

537
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:29.039
Isn't Marina just killing it?

538
00:36:29.099 --> 00:36:29.940
She's so good.

539
00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:31.920
I mean she's relaxed.

540
00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:34.260
It's refreshing It's wonderful.

541
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:35.760
She's so great in this film.

542
00:36:35.820 --> 00:36:40.619
Like everything that they give her to do, she's just excellent.

543
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:52.320
And this is where they actually just realised that we could just have her play Marina rather than whatever the hell she's doing in sort of early Star Trek, the next generation, and she'll be genius.

544
00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:56.219
It's kind of like, you know, she's the Counsellor, which is a bridge officer.

545
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:57.480
It's just a spare basic.

546
00:36:57.539 --> 00:37:03.059
You can get it to go and do a few other bits and bobs that, you know, a bit of security work, a bit of...

547
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:05.519
I mean, no one needs counselling, but maybe they do it a bit.

548
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:06.119
We'll come to that.

549
00:37:06.179 --> 00:37:07.260
But yeah, just go look for people.

550
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:16.199
I'll just come around, come for the crack. on nuclear submarines and things like that that the counsellor sits there next to the person in charge of firing all the weapons and that.

551
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:23.579
No, but that's a very deliberate choice that's trying to differentiate Star Trek, the next generation from Star Trek, the original series.

552
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:24.539
Do you know what I mean?

553
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:33.480
is making it more modern and more concerned for the officer's feelings and welfare and well-being and stuff.

554
00:37:33.539 --> 00:37:38.820
Like that's a, I, that's a deliberate and surprising choice. women in those roles.

555
00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:40.019
Yes, that is bad.

556
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:42.900
I mean, it would have been more interesting if it had been a blow.

557
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:43.380
Of course.

558
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:49.380
Yeah, well, Dr. Miglimo in load X, obviously, who's a bird.

559
00:37:49.500 --> 00:37:53.579
Original series, you've just got bull and stone, they want a man up, another drink or something.

560
00:37:55.019 --> 00:37:57.239
Have some whiskey.

561
00:37:57.420 --> 00:38:07.199
Can I just say extra points for Aiger here who does that fabulous, you know, the cameras coming towards her, she turns and sees it and screams.

562
00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:08.699
She's awesome.

563
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:09.719
That's so well done.

564
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:12.780
Do you know what?

565
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:13.739
That's where they spent the money.

566
00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:19.500
They can afford actual actors for those roles rather than the extras we normally seal those stores.

567
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:21.420
You know, people are getting the episodes.

568
00:38:22.139 --> 00:38:24.420
Oh, yeah, ai.

569
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:26.460
Where are we running around now?

570
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:27.840
Are we still on the enterprise?

571
00:38:27.900 --> 00:38:29.340
I have no clue where we are right now.

572
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:32.820
So what's happened so far is obviously they've blown up the Borg.

573
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:34.679
Borg of all destroyed.

574
00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:41.400
Um, the, trying to figure out how to fix 1st contact and make sure our 1st contact still takes place.

575
00:38:41.460 --> 00:38:43.559
But shock cover, the book are not blown up.

576
00:38:43.619 --> 00:38:47.519
The book are now invading the Enterprise, and Picard is just great.

577
00:38:47.579 --> 00:38:48.599
I mean, just that.

578
00:38:48.659 --> 00:38:51.719
The Borg were invading the Enterprise is great.

579
00:38:51.780 --> 00:39:10.260
Like one of the things that they do, which I think is genius, is that they, so the ball go on deck 16 and they've cut off deck 16, which is where Sick Bay is in this new enterprise, and everything's hotter and more humid there because that's what things are like on a ball cube.

580
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:18.119
And the only reason that things are like that on a ball cube is so that everyone sweats when they're in those scenes.

581
00:39:18.179 --> 00:39:21.239
And because, you know, it's a studio set.

582
00:39:21.300 --> 00:39:27.420
Like the Enterprise is a studio set, everything's beautifully temperature controlled, you know, like no one breaks a sweat.

583
00:39:27.420 --> 00:39:30.960
And so all of the action seems a little bit less visceral.

584
00:39:31.019 --> 00:39:38.280
Here, everyone is sweaty, and because the Borg is well glisten, because it's like alien.

585
00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:50.159
You know, the everything's covered in swarfiga, you know, aliens, you know, they're all slimy, and the Borg are slimy, and the people fighting them are slimy, and Alice Cree is incredibly slimy.

586
00:39:50.219 --> 00:39:56.039
And so there's something more visceral about the Borg, and they're more like xenomorphs in alien, I think.

587
00:39:56.099 --> 00:39:58.920
Or on the slime and the sex later.

588
00:39:58.980 --> 00:39:59.940
Yeah.

589
00:39:59.940 --> 00:40:00.480
Yeah.

590
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:10.079
Although I've got to say, I do wonder if there's a less smart reading on why it's so hot, and that is because, you know, Picard is not Kirk.

591
00:40:10.139 --> 00:40:13.260
So Picard won't just walk around the Enterprise with his kit off.

592
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:17.519
So they sort of need to find a creative reason as to why at the end of this story.

593
00:40:17.579 --> 00:40:20.340
Patrick Stewart. flashing his tits.

594
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:29.940
I'm absolutely certain that the reason that they're doing it, though, is that reason is in order to, um, in order to have everyone sweating.

595
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:33.840
Oh my god, it's Nursagawa.

596
00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:34.320
Yes.

597
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.139
With her, she's got a proper movie hair this week.

598
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:39.780
Like she's got bigger hair than she's ever had before.

599
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.300
Okay, here's the EMH program.

600
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.000
Oh, you've got to love this bit.

601
00:40:45.059 --> 00:40:55.260
I mean, for all that we're saying, you know, this is Star Trek, that, um, they're not we can go and enjoy the pictures, you know, when this happens as a fan, yes, there's a little Easter regular sitting, you're absolutely.

602
00:40:55.320 --> 00:41:01.679
Well, this, the defiant, Ethan Phillips turning up later, there's lots of little nods.

603
00:41:01.739 --> 00:41:06.780
This shot, right, where we've got SteadyCam, he's talking to the camera.

604
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:08.460
We don't see the Borg come in.

605
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:20.099
He's backing back, and he hits the wall, and shocks himself, and then does that tiny smile, like the most irreceptible smile, and then goes out, like, it's an absolute mastercard.

606
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:21.000
It's so funny.

607
00:41:21.059 --> 00:41:24.659
It's so much funnier than anything Gates would have been able to do.

608
00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:26.280
Yes.

609
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:29.340
He gets the Boones line as well, doesn't he?

610
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.039
I'm a doctor not a doorstop, so it's just...

611
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:35.579
It's just so fantastic when you know when you're going...

612
00:41:35.579 --> 00:41:38.340
He is priceless, isn't it, Robert Picardo?

613
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.360
Best of it.

614
00:41:39.659 --> 00:41:44.820
You could add him to any Star Trek movie and that movie is a little classier as a result.

615
00:41:44.940 --> 00:41:48.780
Well, we've added him to prodigy and to Starfleet Academy.

616
00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:51.059
Happy days.

617
00:41:52.500 --> 00:42:04.619
But well, I think, you know, you were saying there about the steady cam and all of that, and given the actor some time, because he's only getting a quick moment, but he gets his moment, I remember that getting a hell of a laugh in the cinema.

618
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.320
Probably the biggest laugh beyond the ball line.

619
00:42:08.099 --> 00:42:14.039
That's Jonathan Frakes as an actor's director, knowing he needs to give that actor his moment.

620
00:42:14.099 --> 00:42:14.880
Yeah.

621
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:18.300
And it's, there is a lot of laughs in this.

622
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:27.059
For all that, it's, you know, we're talking about building tension, you know, it's we'll have some really, you know, powerful character moments with Picard later on in the little ships.

623
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:32.039
You know, there's a lot of like tension between data and the queen, but there's a lot of laughs as well.

624
00:42:32.099 --> 00:42:34.440
It's the full package for me, you know.

625
00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:36.119
It's so well judged, doesn't it?

626
00:42:36.179 --> 00:42:40.500
Compared to generations and all that shit with data's emotion ship, which was so bad.

627
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:41.940
So awful.

628
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:43.320
Not funny at all.

629
00:42:43.380 --> 00:42:44.159
Dreadful.

630
00:42:44.219 --> 00:42:45.659
It made him into a prick.

631
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:49.320
Oh, now he's Marina's absolute best scene.

632
00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:56.880
And watch Jonathan's reaction when he realises she's drunk because he really is enjoying himself.

633
00:42:56.940 --> 00:42:58.500
Like he thinks it's hilarious.

634
00:42:58.559 --> 00:42:59.099
It's wonderful.

635
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:00.119
It's so great.

636
00:43:00.179 --> 00:43:05.340
Can I just say, though, like, like, now, I'm not going to shit all over this thing because I do think it's very funny.

637
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:13.559
However, this was the point halfway through this scene where Marina Service is doing her drunk acting where Mark got up and said, I'm out.

638
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.900
I went upstairs to have a shower.

639
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:17.159
I said what?

640
00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:20.039
He went, that is the worst drunk acting I've ever seen.

641
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:21.000
I walked off.

642
00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:24.719
I base my behaviour when drunk on this scene.

643
00:43:24.780 --> 00:43:28.679
I when I get drunk. your behaviour usually on this scene.

644
00:43:28.739 --> 00:43:29.880
What are you talking about?

645
00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:34.199
But I like Marina, that's how I, that's what I'm like when I'm drunk.

646
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.000
Frasier, are you like Marina when you're drunk?

647
00:43:39.420 --> 00:43:41.579
Look at Jonathan.

648
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:42.539
It's so crazy.

649
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:52.679
The whiskey, like the whiskey is shit again, you know, like all of that stuff is tricky out of jars because of course they are.

650
00:43:52.739 --> 00:43:55.139
And it's like it's really terrible.

651
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:57.780
It's when she holds off.

652
00:43:57.900 --> 00:44:01.980
She nearly falls off her chair saying, don't turn the music off.

653
00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:05.820
Frasier, are you a marina when you're drunk?

654
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:08.280
I'm very much a James Cornwell.

655
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.880
Yeah, I can believe it, actually.

656
00:44:12.780 --> 00:44:17.340
Oh, there's no time to argue about time.

657
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:18.539
We don't have the time.

658
00:44:18.659 --> 00:44:21.179
Well, she's Diana Troy.

659
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:26.280
She moves her hair like with a little bit of dignity, even though she's like massively drunk.

660
00:44:26.340 --> 00:44:27.539
But she was in.

661
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.179
She was in man of the people.

662
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:34.800
They could only get her to behave like this for space reasons in the actual show.

663
00:44:34.860 --> 00:44:37.440
Now they just get appissed, you know, it's really fun.

664
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.739
Every now and again, they gave her a line.

665
00:44:40.739 --> 00:44:44.639
Like then, and the price when she went, oh, I wouldn't want to miss the wormhole.

666
00:44:46.019 --> 00:44:47.940
It should have been like this.

667
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:51.900
If she'd have been like this all the way through, it would have been gold.

668
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.920
Just Frank cells and it's wonderful.

669
00:44:57.059 --> 00:45:02.340
The way she tries to carry herself with deportment, but can't quite start.

670
00:45:05.099 --> 00:45:08.159
It's like me when I try and be a professional.

671
00:45:08.219 --> 00:45:09.599
This is what I look like, yeah.

672
00:45:09.900 --> 00:45:11.940
It's not just me.

673
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:16.320
It's freaks as well with this, the pair of the modest bouncing off each other.

674
00:45:16.380 --> 00:45:20.880
He is, you know, perfectly playing the straight man here.

675
00:45:21.059 --> 00:45:23.099
You know what's great?

676
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:27.599
What is great is Marina and Jonathan Frakes, right?

677
00:45:27.659 --> 00:45:29.519
I have had 7 years.

678
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:37.980
They're a relationship as friends, which means in these movies, It's one of the best things about all 4 of the Next Generation movies is the Riker Troy stuff.

679
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:39.300
It just is so great.

680
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:48.360
And then you jump over the Kertzman trek and the rewards of their friendship on the screen in that relationship.

681
00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:50.579
It's astonishingly good.

682
00:45:50.639 --> 00:46:03.300
I have to see that beat there where she falls unconscious. in Rika, just at the same time, it's so the comedy timing is so perfect between the service.

683
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:06.300
It's so well directed by the man that's actually stolen in it.

684
00:46:06.420 --> 00:46:07.500
Yeah.

685
00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:09.659
So the music here?

686
00:46:09.659 --> 00:46:10.199
Fraser?

687
00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:11.219
Oh, yes.

688
00:46:11.219 --> 00:46:12.960
The music in this scene is incredibly good.

689
00:46:13.019 --> 00:46:15.599
I can't remember it because I want to do a little hum.

690
00:46:15.659 --> 00:46:18.480
I don't think so, but it's very distinctive.

691
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:21.840
A carpet.

692
00:46:21.900 --> 00:46:33.539
Now, that's the other thing that I notice is that even though, even though the galaxy class ship has been destroyed last, this is funny too.

693
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:46.860
Um, um, has been destroyed last film, uh, there is a lot of carpet still, and so the red carpet there, and quite close up, it's just that disgusting industrial carpet that is on all of the Starfleet ships in the north.

694
00:46:46.980 --> 00:46:47.699
Did you miss the line?

695
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:49.440
Did you not miss the line at the start?

696
00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:54.000
We built the new Enterprise, $40000000 and carpet.

697
00:46:54.059 --> 00:46:55.920
You did remember to install carpet, right?

698
00:46:56.159 --> 00:47:00.539
Because they make a joke about it in Picard series 3, remember?

699
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:03.659
Like they laugh at the fact that there's carpet all over the ship.

700
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:09.719
This is now, we're in my favourite part of the movie now, now, because we're doing Borg attacks enterprise.

701
00:47:09.780 --> 00:47:11.820
No, we're doing die hard.

702
00:47:11.940 --> 00:47:15.840
Joe, this is where they fix the emotion chip.

703
00:47:15.900 --> 00:47:24.840
So where he says I'm feeling anxious and Picard says, I think you should turn your emotion chip off and then he does. cheap in a head tilt.

704
00:47:24.900 --> 00:47:28.440
Like, and there's a sound effect.

705
00:47:28.500 --> 00:47:30.119
Like, I think that's hilarious.

706
00:47:30.179 --> 00:47:31.920
Like they make it slightly stupid.

707
00:47:31.980 --> 00:47:40.860
And then they use the emotion chip to up the stakes in the scene with the Borg queen to make him scared and he tones it down a bit.

708
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:44.940
You know, he's not doing the sort of obnoxious shit that he was doing in the last film.

709
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:47.280
And him scared with the ball queen is actually really good.

710
00:47:47.340 --> 00:47:51.420
And there's one line that I think he delivers, it's really laugh out loud funny as well.

711
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:55.440
Is it the multiple techniques?

712
00:47:55.500 --> 00:47:59.820
No, no, it's the one where he says I'm not scared, you know, or something like that.

713
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:03.000
And he's like, he's absolutely breaking it.

714
00:48:03.059 --> 00:48:03.900
It's really good.

715
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:06.960
Oh, POV shot slurk.

716
00:48:07.019 --> 00:48:09.539
Oh, no, we'll go house the 1st proper look at the Borg, no.

717
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:12.539
The makeup is great, isn't it?

718
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:14.940
Oh, you are right.

719
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:15.840
They are glistening.

720
00:48:15.900 --> 00:48:18.239
Yeah, they're like the aliens.

721
00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:21.659
Like, remember how the alien looks at the very end of Alien.

722
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:23.639
You know, it's a bloke in a suit.

723
00:48:23.699 --> 00:48:24.360
They look like that.

724
00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:25.920
They shouldn't have done the shop from behind.

725
00:48:25.980 --> 00:48:27.480
I know. still got padded arses.

726
00:48:27.539 --> 00:48:27.840
Look.

727
00:48:27.900 --> 00:48:29.639
Yeah, no, they looked good.

728
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.460
It's the makeup as well.

729
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:42.840
It's sort of that mottling of the skin, you know, it's it's all just sort of like, you know, that will slap a bit of gray face paint onion in the series and all going to add texture. we're going to add detail.

730
00:48:42.900 --> 00:48:46.739
We're going to have more than just human book as well.

731
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:48.119
There's like Klingon bork, isn't there?

732
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:57.960
See, I think I think that the original white makeup was designed to kind of deracialize them, like to remove their identities.

733
00:48:58.019 --> 00:48:58.739
Do you know what I mean?

734
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:03.179
Like everyone is is this sort of like porcelain white colour.

735
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:05.699
And so everyone's identity's been removed.

736
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:09.179
But now they've decided it's because they're zombies.

737
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:10.139
Do you know what I mean?

738
00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:12.659
So it's more...

739
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:13.559
The greer pollar.

740
00:49:13.619 --> 00:49:14.340
Yeah, necrotic.

741
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:14.579
Exactly.

742
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:16.139
Actually, you are right.

743
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:18.000
It is die hard with zombies, isn't it?

744
00:49:18.900 --> 00:49:21.239
I mean, that's a great pitch.

745
00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:22.920
Who wouldn't want to watch that movie?

746
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:25.380
But you're right, Fraser.

747
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:28.980
Like they've just got the time to get all the details with the makeup, just perfect.

748
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:33.420
You know, as a production, you can't fault it.

749
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:34.860
It's really good.

750
00:49:37.980 --> 00:49:41.820
It's a great look for Wolf as well, cutting his hair back, you know.

751
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:45.780
You remember how big his hair gore come series 7 of the next generation?

752
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:46.679
It was ridiculous.

753
00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:49.260
He had a buffon body end.

754
00:49:49.739 --> 00:49:52.920
It was a proper page boy, wasn't it?

755
00:49:52.980 --> 00:49:54.719
Did you say page boy car?

756
00:49:54.780 --> 00:49:55.679
Yeah, it is.

757
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:56.460
It's a bomb.

758
00:49:57.599 --> 00:49:59.639
It was, it was.

759
00:49:59.699 --> 00:50:03.119
He had a type back by the end of next generation, though, didn't he?

760
00:50:03.179 --> 00:50:03.599
Yeah, yeah.

761
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:03.900
Yeah.

762
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:06.480
I think his DS9 looks the best.

763
00:50:06.539 --> 00:50:07.559
Oh it's basically this, isn't it?

764
00:50:07.619 --> 00:50:09.539
With the gray uniform and the short hair.

765
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:11.219
It just looks cool.

766
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:15.719
I love as well how it's like a brand new ship and Picard tries to pull the handle on the door and it snaps off.

767
00:50:16.260 --> 00:50:20.579
Does somebody try and activate the self-destruct sequence in this?

768
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:21.300
Yes.

769
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:21.840
Yes.

770
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.360
Yeah, when they get a new ship, that's usually the 1st name.

771
00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:25.079
They do do it.

772
00:50:25.139 --> 00:50:29.460
And there's even a line of dialogue saying, you know, we barely knew this ship.

773
00:50:29.460 --> 00:50:38.400
And like, part of the problem is I think you know that they're not going to destroy this ship after doing it last. last time.

774
00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:41.639
And I'm not quite sure why they did it last time.

775
00:50:42.179 --> 00:50:45.360
I think it was just a restart.

776
00:50:45.420 --> 00:50:47.760
You know what, just to say, well, yeah, they wanted a new set.

777
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:50.340
Oh, no, that was our favourite part of the movie.

778
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:51.480
Don't take that bit.

779
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.619
Where Troy's there, sort of crashing the ship.

780
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:56.820
It was amazing.

781
00:50:56.820 --> 00:50:57.420
Shuddering.

782
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:03.059
Oh, they did at least they didn't say women drivers, eh?

783
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:04.079
No, that's true.

784
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:12.719
So, and this too, like the tubules, the injection tubules, which have now been added, which I think are really great.

785
00:51:12.900 --> 00:51:18.900
In production tones, one thing I do want to say, though, is, obviously, this is expensive.

786
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:20.159
I've said it a few times.

787
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:27.480
As we go on, even in Voyager, they learn how to do that special effect on a TV budget.

788
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:44.699
In Kurtzman Trek, now, you had scenes of the Ball Queen in series 2 of Picard, like crawling around with her non-body snake part trailing around behind, like production came on so much that we can do movie special effects in television, like so quickly after this.

789
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:47.219
Yeah, it's there is a trade-off though, isn't there?

790
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:52.199
Because, you know, you get 22 episodes in a next generation series, you get 8 of Picard.

791
00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:55.260
So, yeah, that that's a trade-off basically is.

792
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:58.260
I'd rather have more time with them, Fraser, and a few shitty episodes.

793
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:06.420
Yeah, I'd rather have, you know, you know, like, you know, DS9, you get a really solid standing set that's got 2 levels.

794
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:15.300
Um, you know, lots of areas for you to go into and use that more than just CGI and, but, you know, it's the way television's made.

795
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:19.679
It's HD, so you've got to, you've got to have everything spot on.

796
00:52:19.739 --> 00:52:22.079
When you mentioned TS9, then I instantly relaxed.

797
00:52:22.139 --> 00:52:23.159
Thank you.

798
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:29.460
Now, can we please talk about these things with data and the ball queen?

799
00:52:29.460 --> 00:52:33.480
Because I think some of them are very good, but I just don't like the kink.

800
00:52:33.539 --> 00:52:40.619
I really don't want to think about paying. getting turned on. that's a huge problem.

801
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:43.920
So because I think that she's sexy as hell.

802
00:52:43.980 --> 00:52:46.619
Like, even though, like, and that's the thing.

803
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:47.400
Do you know what I mean?

804
00:52:47.460 --> 00:52:48.420
Yeah, yeah.

805
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:57.360
And because part of the thing, because sex, like lust and disgust, uh, very close to one another.

806
00:52:57.420 --> 00:52:58.320
Do you know what I mean?

807
00:52:58.380 --> 00:53:00.480
No, in my bedroom, they're not.

808
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:07.860
But, but and so I really like the fact that she's hovering on the border of that. you know what I mean?

809
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:08.940
She's a scary monster.

810
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:17.039
She's got the big head, like a like a xenomorph alien, but she's really sexy, she's got the sexy voice, she's properly seductive.

811
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:19.440
She, it's a really, really good.

812
00:53:19.500 --> 00:53:21.059
She also... mottled gray.

813
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:23.280
Yeah, yeah.

814
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:26.699
Yeah, yeah. weird alien tubes coming out of her heads.

815
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:30.900
That's, yeah, that's just you being racist, I think, is...

816
00:53:30.900 --> 00:53:32.039
Against ball.

817
00:53:32.099 --> 00:53:34.559
Happily in this particular occasion.

818
00:53:34.619 --> 00:53:37.679
Fraser, does the sport queen turn you on?

819
00:53:37.739 --> 00:53:41.820
I can't believe I'm asking you this question, but here we are. position, isn't it?

820
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:58.500
You know, you have a very sexual character in a very revealing costume, figure hugging, low cut, um, but quite obviously some sort of half dead lizard thing, um, it's, it's really interesting, um, the way that the, the goal was interesting. interesting.

821
00:53:58.559 --> 00:53:59.519
Is that yes or no?

822
00:53:59.579 --> 00:54:02.099
It's...

823
00:54:02.099 --> 00:54:04.079
It's a yesando.

824
00:54:04.139 --> 00:54:05.400
Yes, yes, yes.

825
00:54:05.460 --> 00:54:06.960
I think it's a yes, absolutely.

826
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.079
She's sexy as hell.

827
00:54:10.139 --> 00:54:25.320
Yeah, because you have that sort of, you know, that reaction to the female figure, but then you have the sort of more conscious reaction to the fact that she is a corpse and above all else, she's the villain of the piece as well.

828
00:54:25.380 --> 00:54:28.920
So you should be singing boo his boo, but you know, actually going, oh, ding dong.

829
00:54:28.980 --> 00:54:34.860
I never once considered until this conversation that the ball queen is in any way sexy.

830
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.800
But she's playing it like that.

831
00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:39.239
And it's Alice Crazy.

832
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:43.440
And she's saying these lines.

833
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:46.559
But isn't she?

834
00:54:46.619 --> 00:54:48.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

835
00:54:48.539 --> 00:54:49.440
Okay.

836
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:56.579
Well, I shall bow to your... your taste in these particular occasion.

837
00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:00.900
I know what you both came for Christmas now.

838
00:55:02.340 --> 00:55:05.460
Just a big tub of KY.

839
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:06.659
That's right.

840
00:55:06.659 --> 00:55:11.099
Deaf makeup, you know?

841
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:13.679
So this is great, isn't it?

842
00:55:13.739 --> 00:55:16.559
This is because they just tell him what's going to happen.

843
00:55:16.619 --> 00:55:29.940
Because all of that, that thing where, you know, he explained the mission to, um, to Cochrane, and he goes, hot damn, you're heroic, which I just think is absolutely right.

844
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:31.559
So great.

845
00:55:31.619 --> 00:55:33.659
Isn't it wonderful though?

846
00:55:33.659 --> 00:55:35.519
He's a bit of a dick as well.

847
00:55:35.579 --> 00:55:37.739
Like he's a good bloke. but he's a dick.

848
00:55:38.219 --> 00:55:42.179
But this, like, we've never heard this story before.

849
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:44.219
We didn't know when 1st contact was.

850
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.920
We knew when the Federation gets founded.

851
00:55:46.980 --> 00:55:49.500
We didn't even know who 1st contact was with.

852
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:54.300
Do you remember when that ship opens and you go, yes, of course it had to be the Falcons.

853
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:56.940
Obviously, it was the Vulcans, but we didn't know.

854
00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:00.119
And so that's a big part of the law.

855
00:56:00.179 --> 00:56:11.760
You know, Star Trek, the Next Generation, filled in the law, all that stuff about the 21st century and the 3rd world war and all of that sort of stuff that gets mentioned in, in, um, encounter at Farpoint and stuff.

856
00:56:11.820 --> 00:56:16.019
So, you know, and it sets a particular date, which is not what we have in original track.

857
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:22.079
And that's a big hole in the timeline, and they fill it in, but it's the most important hole.

858
00:56:22.139 --> 00:56:31.619
And there's a way in which it, you know, Earth becomes, um, uh, you know, this socialist paradise for space reasons.

859
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:34.199
You know, they realise that they're not alone in the universe.

860
00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:38.820
It's not a question of, you know, material, social progress.

861
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:41.400
It's not, you know, our politics get improved.

862
00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:43.260
We learn to love one another.

863
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:45.960
We learn to care about one another, all of that sort of thing.

864
00:56:46.019 --> 00:56:48.539
But still, do you know what I mean?

865
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:58.079
The reason that earth becomes the paradise that it becomes is because we realise how small we are, that we're all sharing the same planet.

866
00:56:58.139 --> 00:56:59.219
I think it's great.

867
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:04.380
I think it's really good. stops it from being too, you know, I can't bear this twee optimism.

868
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:08.340
What stops it from being too twee is he's a prick.

869
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:10.440
And that's wonderful. really love that.

870
00:57:10.500 --> 00:57:14.219
And the other thing that stops it is that Picard is a prick.

871
00:57:14.219 --> 00:57:16.860
And like, Picard, it shows Lily around.

872
00:57:16.860 --> 00:57:20.280
And, you know, these things are amazing, aren't they?

873
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:22.920
Prosthetics?

874
00:57:22.980 --> 00:57:24.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

875
00:57:24.300 --> 00:57:25.800
Or the eye thing and all of that.

876
00:57:25.860 --> 00:57:27.719
Like, it's really horrible.

877
00:57:27.780 --> 00:57:29.519
The arm with the hand missing.

878
00:57:29.579 --> 00:57:31.380
Really?

879
00:57:31.380 --> 00:57:32.340
Yeah.

880
00:57:32.940 --> 00:57:38.699
It's doing what you can't do on the series and really lean into the sort of the body.

881
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:41.280
Yeah.

882
00:57:41.340 --> 00:57:45.000
Yes, there's only a couple of lights, yeah, the rest are OCG'd in.

883
00:57:45.059 --> 00:57:47.340
Right, so have you seen Genesis lately?

884
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:49.920
They did to quite good body horror in that one, you know?

885
00:57:49.980 --> 00:57:59.400
They thought was very impressed. impressed They turned Ridge Barkley into a spider. and Troy into an amphibian.

886
00:57:59.699 --> 00:58:01.199
So good.

887
00:58:01.260 --> 00:58:03.119
They should have kept her that way.

888
00:58:03.179 --> 00:58:03.599
Oh, sorry.

889
00:58:03.659 --> 00:58:17.099
We've got Lieutenant Hawk here. who just gets a few lines and there was some talk, I think, in the lead up to it because people were starting to be critical about how little queer representation there was in Star Trek.

890
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:31.500
Uh, and clearly, you know, it was not something that, um, uh, Berman and Braga were interested in at all, but there was some talk that Hawk was going to be gay, but they had no way of knowing how to write that or.

891
00:58:31.500 --> 00:58:32.039
Who's the actually?

892
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:32.760
I know him.

893
00:58:32.820 --> 00:58:35.699
I don't know his name's Neil McDonald.

894
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:39.539
Yeah, he's in, um, Captain America.

895
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:40.920
He's in the 1st Captain America film.

896
00:58:40.980 --> 00:58:43.139
He's the big guy with the touch.

897
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:44.940
That's the one of the home commanders.

898
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:48.599
He has the look of a Captain America character, doesn't he?

899
00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:52.019
He popped up as the villain in one of the series of arrow.

900
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.300
So he's...

901
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:54.900
He had some work.

902
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:58.920
Yeah, he's got quite quite a hefty IMDb.

903
00:58:58.980 --> 00:59:00.539
Look at him.

904
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:01.619
Of course he's had some work.

905
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:03.300
He's really pretty, isn't he?

906
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:06.539
And that's why we kind of thought he's gay because he has that kind of look.

907
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:08.699
This is great, isn't it?

908
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:12.239
These though, but this is just the scene from who watches the watchers.

909
00:59:12.300 --> 00:59:12.659
Yes.

910
00:59:12.659 --> 00:59:14.280
Showing the planet from all this.

911
00:59:14.340 --> 00:59:16.139
So we're still doing stuff we did in the episodes.

912
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:17.280
Yeah, yeah.

913
00:59:17.340 --> 00:59:19.920
That will be more a problem in the next film.

914
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:24.059
They can't get out of that mindset. just can't quite do it.

915
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:31.260
And it's a bigger problem in an insurrection, I think, which is absolutely a two-part next generation episode.

916
00:59:31.260 --> 00:59:36.300
And then Nemesis again is a sort of really bad series 7, two-part next generation episode.

917
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:37.800
Let me ask you this then.

918
00:59:37.860 --> 00:59:56.820
If this is the film for the not we, if this is the relaunch of the franchise to say we're going to continue doing these movies, but, you know, we can't just rely on the fans, we need to kind of reboot, relaunch, reintroduce a new next generation, as it were, of people to this film franchise.

919
00:59:56.880 --> 01:00:05.159
Does it not make sense then to be kind of going back over some of your more successful beats from the series and say, well, we'll do it again, but we're going to do it again?

920
01:00:05.219 --> 01:00:05.880
Maybe in the 1st one.

921
01:00:05.940 --> 01:00:07.440
No, the 1st one's a failure.

922
01:00:07.500 --> 01:00:10.800
The 1st one's a failure and this is a redo.

923
01:00:10.860 --> 01:00:12.840
We just missed Lily's Incredible.

924
01:00:12.900 --> 01:00:17.460
It's my 1st ray gun line, which I think is absolutely superb.

925
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:41.280
But like this, I mean, obviously the scale of this is bigger and it's more important because the other thing, if it's relaunching the show for the not way for just normal people, we have the backstory about what happened to Earth when 1st contact happened, explained both to Lily and to Cochrane by different people in the cast at the same time.

926
01:00:41.340 --> 01:00:45.480
So the premise is being explained, and it's the premise that's at stake.

927
01:00:45.539 --> 01:01:00.239
You know, even, and it does the other thing too, I think, which is, it points out how kind of slightly weird in 24th century our characters are by contrasting them with characters closer to our time.

928
01:01:00.300 --> 01:01:04.860
And, you know, that's why Star Trek 4 is so brilliant.

929
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:07.559
You know, that's why Picard series 2 is so brilliant.

930
01:01:07.619 --> 01:01:09.480
It's the right thing to do as well.

931
01:01:09.539 --> 01:01:12.840
That is an absurdly good visual.

932
01:01:12.900 --> 01:01:14.159
Incredibly good.

933
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:17.940
Coming in with her little worm tail coming out of her body.

934
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:19.739
It's a spot.

935
01:01:20.820 --> 01:01:21.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

936
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:32.519
To answer your question, Fraser, is yes, they, I do think it is an absolute deliberate move that they are looking at the successes of Next Generation and saying, let's do a bit of that.

937
01:01:32.579 --> 01:01:41.159
But I don't know, like, it is a movie, Go to Earth. literally tear people out of their homes, have them being turned into Borg.

938
01:01:41.219 --> 01:01:47.039
Just do it in a different way to walking around the spaceship with Borks because we do that all the time.

939
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:48.900
Yeah.

940
01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:51.900
We don't actually do that all the time, though, at this point, do we?

941
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:53.400
Well, we do it in Voyager.

942
01:01:53.460 --> 01:01:57.360
You know, that's the future. that's right They're hardly in it in next year.

943
01:01:57.420 --> 01:02:00.599
I mean, do you remember that terrible yellow lighting in Voyager?

944
01:02:00.659 --> 01:02:01.619
when they did that ball?

945
01:02:01.739 --> 01:02:02.699
Collective.

946
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:03.420
Remember that?

947
01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:04.860
It was just so bad.

948
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:06.300
Lighting is not expensive.

949
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:07.980
Could they not have looked at this movie?

950
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:09.179
That's right.

951
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:11.280
Just get green gels instead of the yellow ones.

952
01:02:11.340 --> 01:02:12.179
They cost the same.

953
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:18.719
It's it gets the point in Voyager. doesn't know where it's going. like, oh, what ship should this new Borg ship?

954
01:02:18.780 --> 01:02:20.280
Well, we're not done yet.

955
01:02:20.340 --> 01:02:21.360
We've done the Borg pyramid?

956
01:02:21.420 --> 01:02:22.139
Yeah, we'll go with that.

957
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:24.599
Oh, did they do a pyramid?

958
01:02:24.659 --> 01:02:25.980
I remember that one.

959
01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:28.199
I think we're up to door deckahedron now.

960
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:29.400
Well, well...

961
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:31.559
By the time we've got to endgame, Fraser.

962
01:02:31.619 --> 01:02:32.820
They did the Borg cities.

963
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:34.320
You remember that massive city?

964
01:02:34.619 --> 01:02:37.079
The city of the Borg?

965
01:02:37.139 --> 01:02:37.559
Whatever.

966
01:02:38.460 --> 01:02:40.679
Crazy.

967
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:41.760
I'm sorry.

968
01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:44.280
I don't know how you people can consider that sexy.

969
01:02:44.340 --> 01:02:52.139
It's his own face that you see when she breathes on his skin and he just does this.

970
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:52.679
Wow.

971
01:02:52.739 --> 01:02:56.639
You know, like he's going to have to change his pants.

972
01:02:56.699 --> 01:02:59.280
Like it's, it's a real proper thing.

973
01:02:59.579 --> 01:03:05.699
If the line between disgust and being turned on is very thin, yeah.

974
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:08.099
That's you and me on this call.

975
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:10.320
I'm disgusted and you're turned on.

976
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:15.719
I think a lot of it's Alice Krieg as well because she is vamping this up.

977
01:03:15.780 --> 01:03:16.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah. killing it.

978
01:03:16.980 --> 01:03:18.059
She's so good.

979
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:21.840
And it's not what, you know, what they do in Picard series too.

980
01:03:21.900 --> 01:03:22.860
Like that.

981
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:24.119
Look at the lips.

982
01:03:24.179 --> 01:03:28.199
Like, look at that shot with that, like, that is, then his reaction.

983
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:32.880
And like Star Trek is so sexless.

984
01:03:32.940 --> 01:03:36.900
Like, it's so like, you know, when it's not horny, raspberry.

985
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:37.980
It's not a fair option.

986
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:46.440
You know, watching a corpse come onto a robot is not the better option.

987
01:03:46.500 --> 01:03:48.300
Well, she's not dead.

988
01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:49.380
It's consensual.

989
01:03:50.699 --> 01:03:57.119
She's got an enormous brain, like those aliens in the 1st episode of the original Trek.

990
01:03:57.179 --> 01:04:00.420
Yeah, smart is sexy. covered in veins.

991
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:10.980
No, she's got that big head, I think, because that's what the aliens have in alien, you know, like they have that big elongated head, and I think that heaps of the design features are from that.

992
01:04:11.099 --> 01:04:23.280
Like when we go into the corridors and the corridors are covered in in tubes and stuff like that, that's like when we go into the thing in aliens, remember, and the colonies is like that as well.

993
01:04:23.340 --> 01:04:29.400
I think it's, we underestimate how important aliens is for the design cues here.

994
01:04:29.460 --> 01:04:37.500
I'm going to say is, whilst I was eating my breakfast this morning, watching Borg Android foreplay was not on the menu, all right?

995
01:04:37.619 --> 01:04:39.599
You've just missed the lane.

996
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:40.679
Such a prude.

997
01:04:40.739 --> 01:04:42.360
You've just missed your lane.

998
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:45.960
Lily's just, you know, laid it on a play for you.

999
01:04:46.019 --> 01:04:46.679
How much did this cost?

1000
01:04:46.739 --> 01:04:48.480
How much did this cost?

1001
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:51.300
$40 million.

1002
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:56.519
It is old though, right?

1003
01:04:56.579 --> 01:05:01.559
Because when they turn the lights down, it all looks a bit cheaper, they did it in the next generation.

1004
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:06.059
Oh, but more atmospheric and I'd go.

1005
01:05:06.659 --> 01:05:08.940
She's so great, though.

1006
01:05:08.940 --> 01:05:10.019
She's so engaging.

1007
01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:10.920
Yeah.

1008
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:29.400
She, it's, it's so clever to, to, to have this character in here is the sort of audience identification figure, again, if you are new to this, to have someone that does need everything explaining someone that is reacting in all these ways and, and it's, it's the companion to Picard's doctor, basically.

1009
01:05:29.460 --> 01:05:30.239
Yeah.

1010
01:05:30.300 --> 01:05:35.280
Well, and she does the job of being his moral centre as well.

1011
01:05:35.340 --> 01:05:50.760
Like, he's going around here explaining that the people of his time are morally superior to the people of the 21st century and he's wrong about that or at least in himself, you know, like, and she's...

1012
01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:52.380
He's clearly dead at this point then, isn't he?

1013
01:05:52.440 --> 01:05:53.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1014
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:57.719
But, you know, like, it's just Picard being a nutcase here.

1015
01:05:57.780 --> 01:06:01.500
And, you know, everyone else thinks that we should be leaving, even wharf, you know.

1016
01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:03.179
But you know what else she is?

1017
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:10.079
Such a savvy move, like you said, Fraser, because this is the ultimate film for a not we to watch, right?

1018
01:06:10.139 --> 01:06:17.280
And that is the not we character in the film that Picard can explain all this bullshit to throughout the entire movie.

1019
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:21.719
It's a really clever move and she's just a great actress.

1020
01:06:21.780 --> 01:06:22.860
When she gets angry.

1021
01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:24.000
Now that's hot.

1022
01:06:24.059 --> 01:06:25.440
That is really hot.

1023
01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:27.480
Yeah, that seems incredible, I think.

1024
01:06:27.539 --> 01:06:30.059
Star Trek usually blows scenes like that.

1025
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:31.800
He's Ethan, bless him.

1026
01:06:31.860 --> 01:06:33.000
Oh, God.

1027
01:06:33.059 --> 01:06:34.679
He's like, thank God, I can breathe.

1028
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:38.699
He's not credited, actually, in the film.

1029
01:06:39.059 --> 01:06:40.980
It's a nice one.

1030
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:43.320
I love this doing the Dixon Hill thing.

1031
01:06:43.380 --> 01:06:45.300
That's another little kiss in the past, isn't it?

1032
01:06:45.420 --> 01:06:48.119
But it's just a nice aesthetic as well.

1033
01:06:48.179 --> 01:06:50.280
It's so incongruous when the ball come in.

1034
01:06:50.340 --> 01:06:52.559
It's a nice little nod again, isn't it?

1035
01:06:52.619 --> 01:06:53.579
Oh, the hollow suite.

1036
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:55.739
We just have a quick little scene in the hollow, so we just...

1037
01:06:55.739 --> 01:07:12.059
But think about how they fucked up the hollow suite in generations where suddenly at 78 years later and we're on a sailing boat and everyone's in these sort of, you know, like historical costumes and stuff like that.

1038
01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:19.139
And my father tried to watch it because, you know, he knew that I was into it and he thought, oh, generations, I'll watch that.

1039
01:07:19.139 --> 01:07:20.400
That's the thing Nathan likes.

1040
01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:22.679
And it was just like, what the fuck is even happening here?

1041
01:07:22.739 --> 01:07:27.480
You know, because, because how are you to read that in a room?

1042
01:07:27.539 --> 01:07:28.559
Do you know what I mean?

1043
01:07:28.619 --> 01:07:32.280
Like we sit and we go, oh, it's the holodeck on a movie budget.

1044
01:07:32.340 --> 01:07:36.000
That's amazing, but it's absolutely incomprehensible to anyone who's watched.

1045
01:07:36.059 --> 01:07:38.460
You know, when Fingabob got pushed off the plank.

1046
01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:39.119
Who was it?

1047
01:07:39.179 --> 01:07:40.139
Dr. Beverly?

1048
01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:41.340
Dr. Bively?

1049
01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:41.820
Yep, yeah.

1050
01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:45.000
That was that was how early Mark walked out of that film.

1051
01:07:45.059 --> 01:07:46.920
No, I'm out.

1052
01:07:46.980 --> 01:07:48.420
Sorry, that's not funny.

1053
01:07:48.539 --> 01:07:51.000
Like, I think that's kind of terrible.

1054
01:07:51.059 --> 01:07:55.199
And here we see him program the thing he explains to Lily what's going on.

1055
01:07:55.260 --> 01:07:58.320
We understand, you know, what this is.

1056
01:07:58.380 --> 01:08:00.000
We see them walk into the holodeck.

1057
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:02.820
And so you can do it because it's another thing.

1058
01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:04.500
It's a Star Trek the Next Generation film.

1059
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:05.579
It should have the holodeck.

1060
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:07.500
They should go deeper though, right?

1061
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:12.300
I know they're doing Dixon Hill, but they should have gone, my God, we're in the royale from series 2.

1062
01:08:13.619 --> 01:08:16.319
No, it's not a lower decks episode.

1063
01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:19.079
Lily gets to hit the guy.

1064
01:08:19.140 --> 01:08:20.039
That's pretty awesome.

1065
01:08:20.100 --> 01:08:22.079
It's great, isn't it?

1066
01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:24.359
With the Borg slowly advancing through the thing.

1067
01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:26.340
Tommy Gum.

1068
01:08:26.460 --> 01:08:27.359
Oh my word.

1069
01:08:27.779 --> 01:08:33.779
So is that that's why he goes into the holodeck, isn't it?

1070
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:40.380
Because he can generate a holographic machine gun and the borg of adapting to the space.

1071
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:42.600
Yeah, they've adapted to everyone's space guns.

1072
01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:48.960
I mean, I think they went into the holodeck just so they could have the ball crashing a pier at pie.

1073
01:08:49.020 --> 01:08:50.100
No, yeah, yeah.

1074
01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:51.119
Is that as well?

1075
01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:52.199
It's an except-y sport.

1076
01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:54.840
This is great, isn't it?

1077
01:08:54.899 --> 01:09:02.399
Like, he's got his hands in the chest cavity and instead of pulling stuff around, like, he's mental and look at her looking at him.

1078
01:09:02.460 --> 01:09:11.100
Like, what we were doing, we're setting it up with seed and, you know, Picard's PTSD, basically.

1079
01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:14.159
Yeah, yeah. know how the effect it's had on them.

1080
01:09:14.220 --> 01:09:15.899
Did you see in his chest there?

1081
01:09:15.899 --> 01:09:19.199
There was a cut and there were sort of marrowbone jelly and all sorts in there.

1082
01:09:21.180 --> 01:09:23.760
Patrick Coach, use a stunt hand.

1083
01:09:23.819 --> 01:09:29.640
I'm not putting my hand in there I love that too, when he says this was Ensign Lynch.

1084
01:09:29.699 --> 01:09:32.279
And she just looks at him and says, tough luck, huh?

1085
01:09:32.340 --> 01:09:34.199
Like, it's so good.

1086
01:09:34.260 --> 01:09:34.920
She's so good.

1087
01:09:34.979 --> 01:09:37.319
She's sort of a realist, isn't she?

1088
01:09:37.380 --> 01:09:47.399
No, no, like she is commenting on his weird behaviour around that around his absolutely failure to respond in any way to that death, you know?

1089
01:09:47.460 --> 01:09:48.659
Oh, he's fucked off.

1090
01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:51.180
Yes, this is so good.

1091
01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:52.800
Another little kiss.

1092
01:09:55.859 --> 01:09:59.220
Like, that's fine because this character could be anyone, but why shouldn't it be that?

1093
01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:00.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1094
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:01.920
Are you a fan of Barbie Fraser?

1095
01:10:01.979 --> 01:10:03.779
Oh, you've got to love Bargley, haven't you?

1096
01:10:03.899 --> 01:10:12.659
I mean, Dwight Schultz, he's he was a legend going into Next Generation and yeah, he's...

1097
01:10:12.659 --> 01:10:14.460
He's fantastic.

1098
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:15.239
Yeah.

1099
01:10:15.300 --> 01:10:24.539
Although, I've got to say, like the Borg, Barclay is something due to overexposure, that Voyager did in fact ruin, unfortunately.

1100
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:37.560
I actually like having Barkley and Marina at the end of... a good episode, Parfinder, and then they did it again, and then they did it again, and then they did it in the last episode and by that point, he's just a parody of himself.

1101
01:10:37.859 --> 01:10:40.319
I think this is really great.

1102
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:42.239
Like this whole thing too.

1103
01:10:42.300 --> 01:10:46.800
Look at, look at the leather, finally smiling at him and things.

1104
01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:56.340
One thing we didn't talk about is how beautiful, like we've decided that we're not going to do the, the, um, visor anymore.

1105
01:10:56.399 --> 01:11:06.420
And like we don't get Lavar's beautiful dark eyes, but we get his face back and he just, you know, he looks great.

1106
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:07.619
Like, I think that's a great look.

1107
01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:12.119
It does make you wonder why we did that for 7 years when he has that face.

1108
01:11:12.180 --> 01:11:14.460
I know, I know.

1109
01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:15.840
Baffling.

1110
01:11:15.899 --> 01:11:29.039
It's a good representation, I think, you know, to have a character with a disability, uh, be in the future and, you know, to not just kind of airbusher because I think that does kind of happen a little bit in this and it happens a little bit.

1111
01:11:29.100 --> 01:11:33.180
Obviously, it happens a lot more coming up in insurrection.

1112
01:11:33.420 --> 01:11:35.640
They were going to do it, weren't they?

1113
01:11:35.699 --> 01:11:36.420
DS 9.

1114
01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:41.939
They were going to have, you know, the Melora character, the Daphne Ashburn character that flies about the place and can't walk.

1115
01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:45.720
They were gonna, and then they realised they didn't have the budget to have her flying around every episode.

1116
01:11:45.779 --> 01:11:47.579
So they went, all right, well, we won't do that.

1117
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:52.680
So I spoke to that as a low budget way of doing a disability, isn't it, by putting the visor on?

1118
01:11:53.340 --> 01:11:59.579
And obviously now what you do is you have a blind actor, um, like we did.

1119
01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:03.600
But the eyes are like one of the greatest weapons.

1120
01:12:03.659 --> 01:12:04.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1121
01:12:04.739 --> 01:12:05.039
Yeah.

1122
01:12:05.100 --> 01:12:08.340
I mean, you know, and he is a beautiful man.

1123
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:13.199
I mean, he still absolutely nails that performance for 7 years without us being able to see his eyes.

1124
01:12:13.260 --> 01:12:14.100
This is so funny.

1125
01:12:14.340 --> 01:12:20.279
The way this scene ends, which I just think is absolutely brilliant. which is...

1126
01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:21.239
I've got to take a leak.

1127
01:12:21.300 --> 01:12:25.199
Yeah, no, so he goes, he disappears and he's going to leg it.

1128
01:12:25.260 --> 01:12:35.340
And then, and then, um, Riker's forced to stun him and drop him on the ground, and then he just turns to Jordan and says, you told him about the stats.

1129
01:12:35.699 --> 01:12:38.039
And of course...

1130
01:12:38.100 --> 01:12:40.979
We have done. the episode of Lower decks.

1131
01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:41.880
Remember?

1132
01:12:41.939 --> 01:12:49.020
Series three, episode one grounded, where we actually come back to this location and we see the statue.

1133
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:54.479
So we have actually seen the statue in Lardex and the amusement park.

1134
01:12:54.539 --> 01:12:59.159
I did say that they got the banter right there, but having to explain the leak joke.

1135
01:12:59.220 --> 01:13:02.640
Yeah, that is, that's your next generation humour there.

1136
01:13:02.699 --> 01:13:04.020
That is a bit much.

1137
01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:14.819
But again, it is that thing that this show does, which is, that this film does is making reminding us that the 24th century characters are a little bit stiff and weird.

1138
01:13:14.939 --> 01:13:16.319
Yeah.

1139
01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:18.359
I've just noticed something there.

1140
01:13:18.420 --> 01:13:22.859
They go on the bridge and at least just sits down in his chair, straight away, straight in the captain's chair.

1141
01:13:23.460 --> 01:13:25.319
Have you seen her?

1142
01:13:25.380 --> 01:13:26.460
Of course she's in charge.

1143
01:13:27.420 --> 01:13:29.340
This is a nice chair.

1144
01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:30.960
This is the best one, aren't you?

1145
01:13:31.020 --> 01:13:33.239
is her bitch in this movie.

1146
01:13:33.300 --> 01:13:34.800
Let's not forget that.

1147
01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:38.880
It's not what you do.

1148
01:13:38.939 --> 01:13:41.159
It'd be the 1st chair I'd go for, the one in the middle.

1149
01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:51.960
So we're setting up this stun sequence and again, in 7 years of Star Trek, the Next Generation, does anyone put a spacesuit on?

1150
01:13:52.859 --> 01:13:55.859
No, I don't think so.

1151
01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:58.380
But then, of course, after this, they've got the suits.

1152
01:13:58.439 --> 01:13:59.640
So they start doing it.

1153
01:13:59.699 --> 01:14:01.859
We saw it in Npop Noor, didn't we?

1154
01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:02.939
They were using those seats.

1155
01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:04.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1156
01:14:04.140 --> 01:14:06.300
And it always does it quite a bit as well.

1157
01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:14.399
There's one with the Species 8472 where they're in on the outside of Voyager doing sort of this scene, but low budget.

1158
01:14:14.460 --> 01:14:15.239
Yeah.

1159
01:14:15.300 --> 01:14:28.140
Yeah, but remember the 1st episode of Discovery, this, where Geordie sees a figure, you can barely see that it's Cromwell, except that he then raises the hip flask to his lips and drinks.

1160
01:14:28.140 --> 01:14:29.760
That's how we know it's him.

1161
01:14:32.819 --> 01:14:46.560
I mean, they look great, and this is a pretty great action sequence, it is sort of slow and stuff, and, and like the idea of giving warf the nausea about, about being in space is pretty great, too.

1162
01:14:46.619 --> 01:14:54.180
Like that's a typical, uh, sort of undermining wharf by making him the sort of slightly pathetic one, which is just awesome.

1163
01:14:54.359 --> 01:15:06.539
In the high budget episode's favour, I think this is the point where I think this feels like a movie, because walking on the outside of the salsa is not something we can do in your Star Trek episode.

1164
01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:08.340
You couldn't do this scene.

1165
01:15:08.460 --> 01:15:09.300
No.

1166
01:15:09.899 --> 01:15:13.140
I only would know how much money they had to spend on this film.

1167
01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:14.039
We're just a fine.

1168
01:15:14.220 --> 01:15:16.439
But you look into it, please.

1169
01:15:16.500 --> 01:15:17.880
They might say on Wikipedia.

1170
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:20.100
Look at that.

1171
01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:22.920
Look at them walking upside down.

1172
01:15:22.979 --> 01:15:27.060
Now, you're normally complaining about Frakes having the camera upside down.

1173
01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:31.859
But the whole conversation, remember, is about how disorienting this is.

1174
01:15:31.979 --> 01:15:39.960
And when Wharf's told to look at the hull, then we get a shot, which is their point of view as they walk along the hull.

1175
01:15:40.020 --> 01:15:40.800
So I think that's pretty good.

1176
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:54.359
Excuse me, there is a difference between a scripted scene where they are supposed to be upside down and just a scene of exposition where Jonathan Frakes decides in Kurtzman Trek to put the camera upside down for no reason.

1177
01:15:54.420 --> 01:15:57.300
There is no upside down in space, gentlemen.

1178
01:15:57.300 --> 01:15:59.220
That's the threat. that's a good point.

1179
01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:00.359
It's all relativist.

1180
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:06.060
Oh, no, we're going back to this kinky Android sex again.

1181
01:16:06.180 --> 01:16:06.899
Yeah, yeah.

1182
01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:12.239
It's an important part of the story. the sort of the last temptation of data.

1183
01:16:12.659 --> 01:16:21.899
I think too, it's probably this scene which has his funniest line. like his best line of the film, I think.

1184
01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:27.359
I think my problem is I don't really like later in the movies.

1185
01:16:27.420 --> 01:16:34.079
I think he's lost his innocence from the TV show and he's just a bit knowing, a bit sarky.

1186
01:16:34.140 --> 01:16:38.159
They're doing weird things with him that just don't feel right to me.

1187
01:16:38.220 --> 01:16:40.020
He is Pinocchio in the series.

1188
01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:40.979
He's so good.

1189
01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:42.479
The X-com episode we watched.

1190
01:16:42.539 --> 01:16:44.579
He was just so cute.

1191
01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:45.420
He's like a child.

1192
01:16:45.539 --> 01:16:47.039
He's not a child anymore.

1193
01:16:47.100 --> 01:16:49.380
He's like, doing sex with a lady.

1194
01:16:49.439 --> 01:16:50.039
It's very old.

1195
01:16:50.100 --> 01:16:51.300
It's very old.

1196
01:16:52.920 --> 01:16:57.420
And I don't think that's where Brent said his best ivory. certainly wasn't in generations.

1197
01:16:57.720 --> 01:17:00.479
No, he's terrible in generations.

1198
01:17:00.539 --> 01:17:03.779
That was absolutely misconceived, and you can see them walking back.

1199
01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:20.760
But I think he's good here, where he is actually kind of confronting her, you know, and showing some emotion without kind of doing his usual law overacting, you know, like normally it's like he's indistinguishable from law when that sort of stuff happens.

1200
01:17:20.819 --> 01:17:24.960
Trouble is, you know, this is the one time Voyager gets it better.

1201
01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:28.680
The servant of 9 against the ball queen.

1202
01:17:28.739 --> 01:17:30.600
It's just something else, you know?

1203
01:17:30.659 --> 01:17:32.460
2 women going up against each other.

1204
01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:34.199
Battle Baulks.

1205
01:17:34.260 --> 01:17:35.399
Yeah, yeah.

1206
01:17:35.460 --> 01:17:42.239
What about Agnes Girati with, you know, stuff I stole from Sheeto Stole from the Borg queen.text.

1207
01:17:44.100 --> 01:17:46.199
Do you know what I never thought?

1208
01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:47.699
This is a zombie movie, Fraser.

1209
01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:49.439
Now all I can see is a zombie movie.

1210
01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:50.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1211
01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:54.000
There you go.

1212
01:17:54.060 --> 01:17:54.960
There, your sexy zombie.

1213
01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:58.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1214
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:03.420
Someone passed me the KY.

1215
01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:07.380
Oh, Christ.

1216
01:18:07.439 --> 01:18:11.100
Why is it's, I mean, it's, it's this character beat, isn't it?

1217
01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:19.020
It's what they're doing with data ads trying to explore this side of them and, you know, this, you know, is he co-uptible?

1218
01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:19.500
Is he?

1219
01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:20.579
Can he be tempted?

1220
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:25.079
Can he be, you know, I mean, obviously he's programmed, doesn't he?

1221
01:18:25.140 --> 01:18:28.079
But, you know, can that be co-upted?

1222
01:18:28.140 --> 01:18:32.039
We did do that in descent part one and 2 though, you know?

1223
01:18:32.100 --> 01:18:33.659
Part two, which was terrible.

1224
01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:35.880
Like it was done very badly.

1225
01:18:35.939 --> 01:18:48.899
And here we're not forced to, like, we suspect that he's gone over to her side at some point, but and then, you know, it's deflected when those 3 quantum torpedoes miss the Phoenix.

1226
01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:49.560
Remember that?

1227
01:18:49.619 --> 01:18:53.939
And then you realise, oh, he's just deliberately blown that because he's been on our side all along.

1228
01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:59.460
So it's this scene here where he's super nervous about her advancing on him about to have sex.

1229
01:18:59.819 --> 01:19:07.800
And when she says, uh, like, how long has it been, uh, like, I fully functional, which he says, embarrassed.

1230
01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:11.819
And then, like, that, which is just line from the naked now, isn't it?

1231
01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:13.680
Like that's just dialogue from the naked now.

1232
01:19:13.739 --> 01:19:15.359
How long has it been since you've used them?

1233
01:19:15.420 --> 01:19:21.659
And when he does the usual trick of saying the duration down to the nearest second?

1234
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:31.739
The thing that normally he's told to shut up about, that's so perfect because it just makes it seem like he's been gagging for it for like 8 years or whatever, he knows down to the 2nd.

1235
01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:36.239
That is so unpleasant.

1236
01:19:37.199 --> 01:19:41.159
I can see her skull being pulled back by the wires.

1237
01:19:41.220 --> 01:19:42.479
I mean, please.

1238
01:19:42.479 --> 01:19:48.840
You and Kira snogging Odo the other day with his burn victim face.

1239
01:19:48.899 --> 01:19:50.220
Yeah, I didn't say it was hot.

1240
01:19:50.460 --> 01:19:53.819
I said the rubber latest ripped off.

1241
01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:55.979
That was not hot.

1242
01:19:56.039 --> 01:19:57.180
The neposis.

1243
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:04.319
That was horrible. quite the most horrific thing in the whole movie.

1244
01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:06.539
So good.

1245
01:20:07.319 --> 01:20:09.840
Yeah, I think this is great, isn't it?

1246
01:20:09.899 --> 01:20:10.739
He is very slow.

1247
01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:15.479
And again, it's all told without dialogue, which is a refreshing change.

1248
01:20:15.539 --> 01:20:16.619
Here we go.

1249
01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:34.020
And I do like, you're cutting back from the ship to the location, like that's something you wouldn't really do too much in, you know, I mean, like, the way we go from location to shipboard scenes, it feels like it's got scale.

1250
01:20:34.079 --> 01:20:35.100
Yeah.

1251
01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:47.699
Yeah, and you wonder, you know, like it makes it, like you could say that it makes it all a bit less oppressive or something like that, you know, like it makes the Borg stuff a little bit less claustrophobic because now we're outdoors.

1252
01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:49.439
But I think that's a good thing.

1253
01:20:49.500 --> 01:20:50.640
Do you know what I mean?

1254
01:20:50.699 --> 01:20:52.260
Like, this isn't a horror film.

1255
01:20:52.380 --> 01:20:53.220
This is an alien.

1256
01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:54.960
It is still Star Trek.

1257
01:20:55.020 --> 01:20:55.859
This is so great.

1258
01:20:55.979 --> 01:20:58.560
Good fall there from whoever that was.

1259
01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:03.779
Wait, the huzzy sweeper...

1260
01:21:05.460 --> 01:21:07.800
What was that, Frozen?

1261
01:21:07.859 --> 01:21:10.979
He's like a sweet bro and always like, oh, no one got time for this.

1262
01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:13.260
It's so good.

1263
01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:14.640
You told him about the statue.

1264
01:21:14.699 --> 01:21:15.840
So great.

1265
01:21:15.899 --> 01:21:16.979
Such a good line.

1266
01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:20.520
It was a handy puddle there just to make it more dramatic as well.

1267
01:21:22.619 --> 01:21:26.520
I mean, they've built this enormous source of set. got to use it.

1268
01:21:26.579 --> 01:21:27.539
Yeah, yeah.

1269
01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:28.739
That's good.

1270
01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:30.840
That would all be done on the wall now, wouldn't it?

1271
01:21:31.260 --> 01:21:37.319
Oh no, because they're walking on it, you know, like they might do the...

1272
01:21:37.380 --> 01:21:39.119
I mean, some of that stuff's mattered in.

1273
01:21:39.180 --> 01:21:39.779
Do you know what I mean?

1274
01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:41.640
Like the floor is built, though.

1275
01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:47.159
I do miss like, you know, now things have gone CGI.

1276
01:21:47.220 --> 01:21:54.420
I do miss when money started coming in later in the night and they were doing big sets in movies and things like this.

1277
01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:56.640
Now they just do a lot of CGI.

1278
01:21:56.699 --> 01:22:00.779
Whereas there is a scale to a physical, a physical set that I really like.

1279
01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:03.359
Well, I think that's what we've got here.

1280
01:22:03.420 --> 01:22:05.699
Like I think they're putting, you know, yeah, yeah.

1281
01:22:06.180 --> 01:22:10.079
Yeah, I mean, this is very Star Trek, the next generation, isn't it?

1282
01:22:10.140 --> 01:22:16.199
It's like we're turning things and we're pressing buttons and we're turning panels around and all of that.

1283
01:22:16.979 --> 01:22:21.300
I think we move some isolinear chips from one slot to another and stuff.

1284
01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:26.880
They weren't doing that, Star Trek 6, you know.

1285
01:22:27.239 --> 01:22:31.020
They were on amazing hoff ice planets, you know?

1286
01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:40.020
Oh, we were watching now.

1287
01:22:40.079 --> 01:22:41.340
Yeah, I know.

1288
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:43.439
I mean, there's not much going on.

1289
01:22:43.500 --> 01:22:51.420
It's not, but there's a tension behind it because it is quite slow and, you know, you, we know what's happening.

1290
01:22:51.479 --> 01:22:56.939
The 3 of them have got to turn the panels on for the, blast the, um, deflect audition to space.

1291
01:22:57.000 --> 01:23:04.800
So there's that just tension around, you know, or they're going to do it before the Borg, get them and then obviously...

1292
01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:06.899
I'm sure your music's doing a lot of the work, Fraser, as well.

1293
01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:07.739
Yeah, yeah.

1294
01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:08.640
I'm sure.

1295
01:23:08.699 --> 01:23:15.899
I mean, did you say the way that Borg got shot and then flew across the saucer set in a way that he could only be on a wire.

1296
01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:20.039
Oh, there's a lot of fabulous wirework all the way through this scene.

1297
01:23:20.100 --> 01:23:24.960
No, but now now it would be CGI in a way that he didn't look like he was on a wire.

1298
01:23:25.020 --> 01:23:27.359
No, the lesson wire stuff coming.

1299
01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:33.180
Like both Hawk and when I think Picard leaps over the leaps over the dish as well.

1300
01:23:35.220 --> 01:23:41.579
There's a series of like hot Borg men now advancing on them as well.

1301
01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:42.659
Can I say?

1302
01:23:42.779 --> 01:23:43.680
Yeah.

1303
01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:47.100
But these are like handsome young man. you look at them?

1304
01:23:47.159 --> 01:23:48.420
Like it's a whole thing.

1305
01:23:48.479 --> 01:23:52.199
I don't know why quite what's going on there, but we've mottled flesh.

1306
01:23:52.260 --> 01:23:54.300
Yeah, yeah, it's makeup.

1307
01:23:54.359 --> 01:23:55.920
Look, he's pretty, look, that guy's pretty.

1308
01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:01.020
Look, he's looking at him really like, what the hell are you doing?

1309
01:24:01.079 --> 01:24:04.979
I have never been more disturbed doing one of these commentaries.

1310
01:24:08.039 --> 01:24:09.960
What would you do with a book?

1311
01:24:10.020 --> 01:24:11.520
I don't know.

1312
01:24:11.579 --> 01:24:12.720
See, I don't know.

1313
01:24:12.779 --> 01:24:14.340
See, look that guy's like, whee.

1314
01:24:14.399 --> 01:24:15.239
There goes.

1315
01:24:16.380 --> 01:24:19.140
It's like the moon base all over again.

1316
01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:22.439
What would you do with it?

1317
01:24:22.619 --> 01:24:23.640
What would you do with the Borg?

1318
01:24:23.699 --> 01:24:26.880
I suppose it depends what touchment it comes with. that's exactly right.

1319
01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:29.159
Are you thinking about Red Wolf, Fraser?

1320
01:24:29.220 --> 01:24:30.539
He's brought his knife.

1321
01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:31.859
Oh, he's cut the guy's hand off.

1322
01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:33.659
Ooh, ow, that really was quite nice.

1323
01:24:33.779 --> 01:24:34.859
Oh, yeah.

1324
01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:36.840
Space suit now.

1325
01:24:36.899 --> 01:24:37.920
Oh, blood.

1326
01:24:37.979 --> 01:24:40.979
Oh, that's very Star Trek 6, isn't it?

1327
01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:41.819
The CGI blood.

1328
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:43.439
Yeah, you're G blood.

1329
01:24:44.340 --> 01:24:47.579
Better than Star Trek.

1330
01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:48.420
Yeah.

1331
01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:51.659
I mean, look at this shitty technology they're building.

1332
01:24:51.659 --> 01:24:52.859
It's so next generation.

1333
01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:54.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1334
01:24:54.420 --> 01:24:57.539
But also the low resolution graphics on the screen and everything.

1335
01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:00.359
Like it's, they're not a retina display or anything, is it?

1336
01:25:00.420 --> 01:25:02.279
It's still 96 you know.

1337
01:25:02.340 --> 01:25:03.239
Yeah, yeah.

1338
01:25:03.300 --> 01:25:05.340
There's your Clinon Borg.

1339
01:25:05.399 --> 01:25:07.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1340
01:25:07.800 --> 01:25:12.239
Oh, poor Hulk's gonna go. off he goes.

1341
01:25:12.300 --> 01:25:13.260
Oh, no.

1342
01:25:13.319 --> 01:25:13.920
Hang on.

1343
01:25:13.979 --> 01:25:15.720
Is he turned into a Borg?

1344
01:25:15.779 --> 01:25:16.319
can't remember.

1345
01:25:16.380 --> 01:25:17.520
Oh, yes.

1346
01:25:17.579 --> 01:25:19.380
Or is it just thrown off the ship?

1347
01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:21.119
No, I don't think yet, sure enough.

1348
01:25:21.180 --> 01:25:23.340
I think he gets he gets tubuled by someone.

1349
01:25:23.399 --> 01:25:26.579
I've only watched this this morning. am I asking questions?

1350
01:25:28.079 --> 01:25:30.600
There's a lot going on, that's all.

1351
01:25:30.899 --> 01:25:34.619
Does someone set the self-destruct at some point, EB?

1352
01:25:34.859 --> 01:25:38.340
Sorry, Fraser, you know, man, I don't really pay attention.

1353
01:25:38.460 --> 01:25:40.079
It's fine.

1354
01:25:40.140 --> 01:25:42.779
It's not just the entire last 3rd of the film or anything, I guess.

1355
01:25:44.520 --> 01:25:48.600
To be fair, it's silent, self-destruct, so we don't have the lady.

1356
01:25:48.659 --> 01:25:53.039
We don't have Magell telling us how many minutes we have left to live. outrageous.

1357
01:25:53.100 --> 01:25:54.479
After all these kisses to the past.

1358
01:25:54.539 --> 01:25:55.859
They didn't bring him, Mitchell.

1359
01:25:55.920 --> 01:25:58.260
No, I mean, but Chelsea, isn't it, isn't she?

1360
01:25:58.380 --> 01:25:59.039
is the computer.

1361
01:25:59.159 --> 01:26:04.859
Look at him gracefully going across that set there flying away.

1362
01:26:04.920 --> 01:26:06.720
Gutty, scurvy wires.

1363
01:26:07.079 --> 01:26:10.920
You can imagine I'll just fucking...

1364
01:26:10.979 --> 01:26:13.380
I played Hamlet at the Queen Vic, you know?

1365
01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:15.359
That's it.

1366
01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:17.939
I think I missed a trick, you know?

1367
01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:19.500
I missed a trick.

1368
01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:23.100
You could have done this set as a roy in Hollywood, couldn't it, in a paramount backlot?

1369
01:26:23.100 --> 01:26:27.720
And just you get a Kirby wire and fly across, pretend you're being attacked by a ball walk.

1370
01:26:27.779 --> 01:26:28.260
Yeah.

1371
01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:37.680
I worry about how he holds that, why he doesn't go put his hand in upright. rather than upside down and then turn it.

1372
01:26:37.739 --> 01:26:38.699
That seems wrong to me.

1373
01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:39.899
You know what?

1374
01:26:40.020 --> 01:26:40.439
You're right.

1375
01:26:40.500 --> 01:26:41.699
This is long, isn't it?

1376
01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:43.140
This is quite long, isn't it?

1377
01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:43.979
Yeah, yeah.

1378
01:26:46.020 --> 01:26:47.760
Oh, there we go.

1379
01:26:47.880 --> 01:26:49.619
And we remember what's at stake?

1380
01:26:49.680 --> 01:26:53.760
Like they're sending a message to tell the Borg to come and get Earth now.

1381
01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:59.880
He's missing a trick visually, I think, as well, because we are shooting just on this set.

1382
01:26:59.939 --> 01:27:03.479
We're not doing a pullback shot of them on the Enterprise.

1383
01:27:03.539 --> 01:27:04.380
You know what I mean?

1384
01:27:04.439 --> 01:27:06.359
seeing it as a whole.

1385
01:27:06.420 --> 01:27:07.800
Whereas I think you could do a bit more of that.

1386
01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:10.319
Oh, yeah.

1387
01:27:10.380 --> 01:27:11.399
Oh, yeah.

1388
01:27:11.460 --> 01:27:12.300
Does it look hotter?

1389
01:27:12.359 --> 01:27:13.140
Now he's a Borg.

1390
01:27:13.199 --> 01:27:18.000
That wonderful thing where he turns, he turns the helmet and then his face.

1391
01:27:18.060 --> 01:27:23.159
So you see him turn towards Picard, then turn his face to show that he's bulk.

1392
01:27:23.220 --> 01:27:23.760
But there he is.

1393
01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:28.680
Of course, a pump show in space is nothing to that man, just tired.

1394
01:27:28.739 --> 01:27:32.579
No, he just severed them around your leg. hand and they ties it on.

1395
01:27:32.699 --> 01:27:35.699
You've got to have us lying round. pretty good.

1396
01:27:35.819 --> 01:27:38.399
No wonder you love Wolf so much, Fraser.

1397
01:27:38.460 --> 01:27:39.300
He's just so cool.

1398
01:27:39.420 --> 01:27:45.659
And I think we'll get one of the simultaneously one of the best and one of the worst lanes in the film coming up any minute.

1399
01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:46.560
Oh, yeah.

1400
01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:48.060
Wharf's about to deliver it.

1401
01:27:48.119 --> 01:27:50.039
Can you deliver it for us, please?

1402
01:27:50.100 --> 01:27:51.600
He's being an action hero.

1403
01:27:51.659 --> 01:27:52.199
Here he goes.

1404
01:27:52.859 --> 01:27:54.960
Assimilate this.

1405
01:27:58.260 --> 01:28:00.359
Oh, terrible.

1406
01:28:01.020 --> 01:28:02.819
It's so good.

1407
01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:05.460
Just cracking a jewel.

1408
01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:07.680
I'm asking you both a question.

1409
01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:08.640
I should know about this movie.

1410
01:28:08.760 --> 01:28:15.720
I'm a bit curious because obviously compared to a normal next generation episode, this is looks absolutely incredible.

1411
01:28:15.779 --> 01:28:20.760
Compared to other science fiction movies in 1996.

1412
01:28:20.939 --> 01:28:22.260
I don't know what was coming out at the time.

1413
01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:23.880
Is this really amazing?

1414
01:28:23.939 --> 01:28:30.060
Well, what Star Wars episode one is 3 years after this?

1415
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:41.939
Um, and obviously it looks amazing. much more money than much more money and much more computer generated stuff as well, like too much computer generated.

1416
01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:49.079
I just want to know if sort of science fiction fans, not Star Trek fans would have had the patience for that sequence, even though there was some cool stuff going on.

1417
01:28:49.140 --> 01:28:50.520
Maybe.

1418
01:28:50.520 --> 01:28:51.659
I think so.

1419
01:28:52.739 --> 01:28:57.779
Yeah, it was slow, but I think it's probably slow about our standards more than anything else.

1420
01:28:57.840 --> 01:28:59.159
Poor old Corcoran.

1421
01:28:59.220 --> 01:29:03.659
I mean, it's slow, but curse, but standards, you know, the action's furious over there.

1422
01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:05.340
I can't figure out what's going on.

1423
01:29:05.399 --> 01:29:06.659
Stargate.

1424
01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:08.159
Stargate was 94.

1425
01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:10.560
It was 2 years before this.

1426
01:29:10.619 --> 01:29:13.079
It looks better than Stargate, doesn't it?

1427
01:29:13.140 --> 01:29:14.880
I mean, Stargate's not that effective.

1428
01:29:14.939 --> 01:29:16.199
I mean, the Stargate itself is.

1429
01:29:16.260 --> 01:29:21.000
But once you get through the Stargate, it's more just like ancient aliens.

1430
01:29:21.060 --> 01:29:22.140
Yeah, yeah.

1431
01:29:22.199 --> 01:29:24.960
And the complete opposite of this, of course.

1432
01:29:25.020 --> 01:29:27.300
That's a movie that spawned a TV show.

1433
01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:29.279
This is a TV show that spawned a movie.

1434
01:29:29.340 --> 01:29:30.300
Yeah.

1435
01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:31.140
Yeah.

1436
01:29:31.800 --> 01:29:40.260
I think the regular audience will be more on board with this stuff when the shuttle's going up and the rock music starts playing and all of that sort of stuff, you know?

1437
01:29:40.319 --> 01:29:41.100
It's more fun.

1438
01:29:41.159 --> 01:29:44.039
Can I just say that rock music is so shit.

1439
01:29:44.100 --> 01:29:46.920
And like there's...

1440
01:29:46.920 --> 01:29:49.380
They have not licensed anything.

1441
01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:50.640
Do you know what I mean?

1442
01:29:50.699 --> 01:29:51.720
Like, what is it?

1443
01:29:51.779 --> 01:29:55.800
Like, and the dooby, dooby, dooby, dooby-doo music at the very end.

1444
01:29:55.859 --> 01:30:07.680
Like, I see why you have rock music because again, it is part of that sort of pointing up the difference between people now, contemporary people and 24th century people.

1445
01:30:07.739 --> 01:30:12.960
You know, we had Picard listening to Berlioz earlier in his room.

1446
01:30:13.319 --> 01:30:18.180
And so that's one of the things that these films do.

1447
01:30:18.300 --> 01:30:31.859
And there's always that sort of fish out of water thing, you know, the more that, um, that Cromwell's making people dance and drink tequila and stuff like that, the more kind of upset or sort of put out everyone else is.

1448
01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:35.579
But gee whiz, they don't choose any good music, do they?

1449
01:30:37.380 --> 01:30:42.239
Don't be a good man, just be a man and let history make the judgements.

1450
01:30:42.420 --> 01:30:44.279
That's good advice.

1451
01:30:44.579 --> 01:30:48.060
Although I have to say, you're both great men.

1452
01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:52.079
I love the episode of South Park, that takes the piss out of that.

1453
01:30:52.140 --> 01:30:53.579
Oh what is it?

1454
01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:59.100
It's, yeah, it's, it's something like, um, the...

1455
01:31:00.420 --> 01:31:04.140
It's like the devil and Jesus getting organise a boxing fight or something.

1456
01:31:04.739 --> 01:31:22.739
You know, they're going to have like a boxing match to decide who gets the earth and Jesus is bottling it, basically, so one of the, one of the little kids stand up, Eric, or someone, you know, gives, does that line, you know, and say, does it in fun and he's like, who said that?

1457
01:31:22.739 --> 01:31:23.399
You did.

1458
01:31:23.460 --> 01:31:26.699
You know, and he goes off and say, did he really say that?

1459
01:31:26.760 --> 01:31:28.260
He's like, no, of course not, with Star Trek.

1460
01:31:29.039 --> 01:31:43.619
I mean, like take the Mickey out of this film wonderfully in Deep Space 9, in the scene coming up in a minute, because Quark, has enough of the Frankie society changing and goes, the line must be drawn here.

1461
01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:46.079
This bar, don't matter.

1462
01:31:46.619 --> 01:31:49.140
Oh, this bit, yeah.

1463
01:31:49.199 --> 01:31:50.220
Worf and Picard.

1464
01:31:50.279 --> 01:31:52.020
This is stunningly good.

1465
01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:53.819
It's really good, isn't it?

1466
01:31:53.880 --> 01:31:57.659
It's actually the sort of scene you wouldn't have had.

1467
01:31:57.720 --> 01:31:58.920
No, next year.

1468
01:31:58.979 --> 01:31:59.880
It's not too often anyway.

1469
01:31:59.939 --> 01:32:01.199
This is where you're not.

1470
01:32:01.260 --> 01:32:02.819
This is not what you'll get on television.

1471
01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:06.600
This is proper movie level. you know character work.

1472
01:32:06.720 --> 01:32:13.140
Except I think that Picard comes across as maybe more petty than he should.

1473
01:32:13.140 --> 01:32:14.460
Do you know what I mean?

1474
01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:23.579
Like it, like, yeah, like his character is degenerating and, you know, we see him being nasty to wharf and stuff like that.

1475
01:32:24.359 --> 01:32:28.079
But it seems just a little bit too petty, I think.

1476
01:32:28.140 --> 01:32:31.140
I mean, it's wonderful seeing the 2 of them go at it together, you know.

1477
01:32:31.199 --> 01:32:49.619
I think, I think the whole scene's really well played because you've got sort of like dynamics with the crew, the crew that's left on the ship is, you know, Wharf and Beverly and Wharf's prepared to stand up when Beverly's like, nope, the captain's made his mind up, once the captain's made his mind up, and so it takes this character of Liddy to go in there and say, bullshit.

1478
01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:51.899
Oh, wonderful.

1479
01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:52.619
Wonderful.

1480
01:32:53.460 --> 01:32:57.119
We needed someone like her on the Enterprise, the whole series.

1481
01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:08.760
That, you know, and again, it's kind of like the benefit of having this, not just for the audience, but for the plot itself that you'd have someone that is, you know, goes in, doesn't realise that's the captain's chair or anything.

1482
01:33:08.819 --> 01:33:12.300
There's no pump or circumstance whatsoever.

1483
01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:15.060
It's just like this man is gone batshit.

1484
01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:15.960
He's gone too far.

1485
01:33:16.020 --> 01:33:20.159
He has crossed the lane, so I am now going to do something about it.

1486
01:33:20.220 --> 01:33:22.979
And in she goes and tears them in your arse, and it's just fantastic.

1487
01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:27.300
Imagine her in those early TNG episodes. symbiosis, for example.

1488
01:33:27.359 --> 01:33:31.319
She could just walk into his ready room and go, you're going to do what?

1489
01:33:31.380 --> 01:33:34.500
Leave that entire planet of drug withdrawing people.

1490
01:33:34.619 --> 01:33:36.239
Bullshit, Jean-Luc.

1491
01:33:36.300 --> 01:33:37.020
You know?

1492
01:33:37.079 --> 01:33:38.220
You would have been great.

1493
01:33:38.279 --> 01:33:41.579
Well, we do fix that in lower decks, remember?

1494
01:33:41.640 --> 01:33:44.939
We fix it in discovery with Giorjo.

1495
01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:46.920
She often points out that...

1496
01:33:46.979 --> 01:33:48.659
But this is really good.

1497
01:33:48.659 --> 01:33:55.979
And what I really like is that the, it's the Moby Dick reference, which I think is really, really good.

1498
01:33:56.039 --> 01:34:00.119
Um, yeah, see what she says bullshit too?

1499
01:34:00.180 --> 01:34:06.779
She says he says in my century we don't do revenge and she just goes, you know, bullshit.

1500
01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:07.800
I've seen you.

1501
01:34:07.859 --> 01:34:09.479
You know, I saw what was happening.

1502
01:34:09.539 --> 01:34:11.699
I've watched the Raff of Khan, all right?

1503
01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:13.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1504
01:34:14.279 --> 01:34:15.899
Oh, what?

1505
01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:16.619
You kill him?

1506
01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:18.420
Yeah, it's really good.

1507
01:34:18.479 --> 01:34:19.380
She's so good.

1508
01:34:19.439 --> 01:34:20.579
It's so great.

1509
01:34:20.640 --> 01:34:22.979
She doesn't give him an inch, does she?

1510
01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:25.260
She doesn't flinch or anything.

1511
01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:26.640
He comes right for her.

1512
01:34:26.760 --> 01:34:30.000
And you think she's up against Patrick Stewart.

1513
01:34:30.060 --> 01:34:45.119
And I mean, this sort of scene shows you what an absolute feigned Patrick Stewart was to get onto this shore to get to the point where we're in this film and we've got them doing some proper theatrical work now.

1514
01:34:45.180 --> 01:34:48.840
He is absolutely going for it, but she is toe to toe with them.

1515
01:34:48.899 --> 01:34:50.760
She's absolutely good.

1516
01:34:50.819 --> 01:34:52.199
She's so how he goes.

1517
01:34:52.260 --> 01:34:57.659
They would have ever imagined he would have been able to do this after those 1st 2 seasons of TNG.

1518
01:34:57.720 --> 01:34:59.939
Thank God he stuck around.

1519
01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:06.000
You know, Fraser, he didn't unpack his suitcase for 2 years before he was coming back to India. saying that.

1520
01:35:07.800 --> 01:35:17.100
So the thing I like about the Moby Dick reference is, remember he, she says sort of, you know, Captain Ahab, she calls him Captain Ahab, and he goes, what?

1521
01:35:17.159 --> 01:35:23.279
And she says, oh, you don't have books in the future, which I think is actually a great thing to say to Picard.

1522
01:35:23.399 --> 01:35:49.859
And then when it hits, like when it actually hits, he quotes from Moby Dick, because of course he's Picard and he's read it, and it's a beautifully well chosen, um, quote, about the rage that Ahab feels as he's attacking the, the, you know, the whale, exactly the rage that he was showing with the, with the submachine gun in in the holodeck.

1523
01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:51.779
You know, it's so well done.

1524
01:35:51.840 --> 01:36:00.239
And then, and then she, she admits that she's never read Roman Moby Dick because no one has, which I just think is wonderful.

1525
01:36:00.300 --> 01:36:00.840
It's so good.

1526
01:36:00.899 --> 01:36:06.600
I like the violence of the smashing of the glass as well, because that's what we would never do.

1527
01:36:06.659 --> 01:36:09.600
They wouldn't destroy the set in next generation.

1528
01:36:09.659 --> 01:36:13.380
And we broke the little ship like we broke the Enterprise D. Yeah.

1529
01:36:14.220 --> 01:36:16.380
See you around, Ahab.

1530
01:36:16.439 --> 01:36:25.979
It's that lane where it's, um, you know, I will make them pay for what they've done to me, basically. over yourself, Jean-Luc.

1531
01:36:26.039 --> 01:36:28.680
And yeah, he comes with his...

1532
01:36:28.739 --> 01:36:31.380
His chest had been a cannon, he would have shot his heart upon it.

1533
01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:36.359
You know, that's exactly what we saw in the holodeck and he's realised.

1534
01:36:36.479 --> 01:36:43.560
Yeah, I'd never read it. like Of course.

1535
01:36:43.619 --> 01:36:46.560
And then he smiles, like, that's great.

1536
01:36:46.619 --> 01:36:47.520
That's...

1537
01:36:47.640 --> 01:36:49.560
Why didn't they keep her around for the next 2 movies?

1538
01:36:49.619 --> 01:36:50.699
She's so good.

1539
01:36:50.760 --> 01:36:52.800
But he wouldn't, she wouldn't have done it.

1540
01:36:52.859 --> 01:37:06.659
But what I think is great is normally this is the sort of scene that Star Trek just fucks up, you know, like, because the actors aren't up to it, the dialogue is usually, you know, too leaden and too lacking in subtext.

1541
01:37:06.720 --> 01:37:09.779
You know these are the scenes that just tend to not work very well.

1542
01:37:09.899 --> 01:37:11.939
But this does.

1543
01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:14.760
This is really good, I think. give you an example.

1544
01:37:14.819 --> 01:37:19.439
That's an example in DS9, where I can't say the, what is it, inter armour?

1545
01:37:19.500 --> 01:37:20.340
How do you say it, Nathan?

1546
01:37:20.399 --> 01:37:21.960
They get it wrong.

1547
01:37:22.020 --> 01:37:24.420
Sealant Legos, I think.

1548
01:37:24.420 --> 01:37:28.800
I know, but CDIG just trips up on the how to say that.

1549
01:37:28.800 --> 01:37:33.539
And then he just goes, in times of war, the laws fall silent or something.

1550
01:37:33.600 --> 01:37:34.920
It's so terrible.

1551
01:37:35.220 --> 01:37:42.359
It's the sort of scene that you don't get in blockbuster films, you know, vague sci-fi, blockbuster films.

1552
01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:43.500
You just don't get them.

1553
01:37:43.560 --> 01:37:45.659
And it's the sort of thing now.

1554
01:37:45.720 --> 01:37:52.680
This is the sort of scene where if they put that in like a Star Wars film, you know, the fanboys were absolutely shitbricks about it.

1555
01:37:52.739 --> 01:38:11.220
You know, we're not just fighting people, like same as, you know, it's, you know, it's, we are so, I think we're so lucky to have this film with that particular scene in it that we can have something that is so entertaining, but goes on in so hard in such good character work and is performed so well by these actors.

1556
01:38:11.279 --> 01:38:15.119
Almost the inverse of my complaint, you know, where I was saying, this doesn't feel like a movie.

1557
01:38:15.180 --> 01:38:20.640
That's Star Trek impinging on the movie now in a really positive way, you know?

1558
01:38:21.539 --> 01:38:26.460
Just to point out to you now, Jule, what's happening is they've set the self-destruct.

1559
01:38:26.520 --> 01:38:27.779
Oh, thank you.

1560
01:38:27.840 --> 01:38:29.340
I don't know what.

1561
01:38:29.399 --> 01:38:32.520
I did make a few cups of tea, so I'm wondering, I did have a lot of time.

1562
01:38:32.579 --> 01:38:39.840
So I may have left the room at this point. left the room. the ball scene that I have just eulogised so much.

1563
01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:41.760
You were out having a brew, you top.

1564
01:38:41.819 --> 01:38:42.600
Possibly, yeah.

1565
01:38:44.340 --> 01:38:45.960
There was no balls on the screen, you know?

1566
01:38:47.819 --> 01:38:49.439
Here we go.

1567
01:38:49.500 --> 01:38:51.119
So much for the enterprisey.

1568
01:38:51.180 --> 01:38:53.399
Sorry, we can't blow it up.

1569
01:38:53.460 --> 01:38:54.840
We've just built the fucking sense.

1570
01:38:55.020 --> 01:38:58.260
End of the day, there's still plenty letters left in the alphabet.

1571
01:38:58.319 --> 01:39:01.140
I love that line as well. love that line.

1572
01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.800
There's something about the future of the franchise, you know.

1573
01:39:04.859 --> 01:39:07.560
Yes, we've had the Enterprise G now, I think.

1574
01:39:07.619 --> 01:39:08.699
Why was the enterprise?

1575
01:39:08.699 --> 01:39:09.479
Don't apologise.

1576
01:39:09.539 --> 01:39:10.680
Oh, I love this as well.

1577
01:39:10.739 --> 01:39:12.539
It's just apologising.

1578
01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:14.699
Yeah, yeah, Picard.

1579
01:39:14.699 --> 01:39:17.699
I regret some of the things I said and he just goes, some.

1580
01:39:17.819 --> 01:39:18.479
Some.

1581
01:39:18.479 --> 01:39:23.460
It's a proper manager's apology, isn't it?

1582
01:39:23.520 --> 01:39:28.619
This is the same writers that Rowe Enterprise series one.

1583
01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:33.060
How is the dialogue so on point here and so terrible there.

1584
01:39:33.119 --> 01:39:34.319
I don't understand.

1585
01:39:35.880 --> 01:39:39.359
Yeah, I would like to think so because there's a golf.

1586
01:39:39.420 --> 01:39:41.159
Yeah, yeah.

1587
01:39:42.359 --> 01:39:43.739
Yes.

1588
01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:48.840
Standing alone, they all get this moment, don't they, when they think they're going to lose the ship.

1589
01:39:48.899 --> 01:39:53.279
No, but some of them where he remembers data, doesn't he?

1590
01:39:53.340 --> 01:39:55.439
It's the scene where he remembers data, like he hears.

1591
01:39:55.500 --> 01:39:57.420
He has data's voice.

1592
01:39:57.420 --> 01:39:58.800
Because no daughter?

1593
01:39:58.859 --> 01:40:02.819
No, so daughter, data is no fully shocked up with the ball.

1594
01:40:02.880 --> 01:40:04.199
G, g, g, g, g.

1595
01:40:04.739 --> 01:40:07.380
I'd forgotten that character existed.

1596
01:40:10.260 --> 01:40:13.680
He would have come in Andy, whilst the Borg were attacking.

1597
01:40:14.460 --> 01:40:20.880
If only someone got them to lock out the Enterprise computers or something like that, that would have been a really nifty plot device.

1598
01:40:20.939 --> 01:40:21.840
Do you know what?

1599
01:40:21.840 --> 01:40:28.319
We did have that wonderful scene with Marina Drunk, but she has not been in this movie now for about an hour.

1600
01:40:28.380 --> 01:40:29.939
She was just in a bin.

1601
01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:31.560
She had a...

1602
01:40:31.619 --> 01:40:35.159
Literally there, but she's not been in it before that for about an hour.

1603
01:40:35.220 --> 01:40:36.000
That's not right.

1604
01:40:36.060 --> 01:40:37.439
Give the women something to do.

1605
01:40:37.500 --> 01:40:39.359
Doesn't she look fabulous?

1606
01:40:39.539 --> 01:40:43.920
Although, mind you, in insurrection, when they're going on about their boobs firm enough.

1607
01:40:43.979 --> 01:40:46.979
Maybe we shouldn't be having them in the movie.

1608
01:40:47.039 --> 01:40:48.600
They're going to dialogue like that.

1609
01:40:48.659 --> 01:40:53.159
Oh my god, look. true TNG now.

1610
01:40:53.220 --> 01:40:54.119
Rock for Schleit.

1611
01:40:54.180 --> 01:40:54.479
Come on.

1612
01:40:54.539 --> 01:40:55.439
Never move.

1613
01:40:56.039 --> 01:40:58.079
Oh, but look at that.

1614
01:40:58.140 --> 01:40:59.100
Look at that effect shot.

1615
01:40:59.159 --> 01:41:00.659
Yeah, that is pretty great.

1616
01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:01.739
That's pretty good.

1617
01:41:01.800 --> 01:41:03.539
You know, that's very phallic, isn't it?

1618
01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:04.560
It is.

1619
01:41:04.619 --> 01:41:07.439
That's like you 2 looking at the ball queen.

1620
01:41:10.500 --> 01:41:11.819
Sorry.

1621
01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:18.960
Lavar's going, I thought we were done with this shit.

1622
01:41:19.020 --> 01:41:20.520
We're doing a movie.

1623
01:41:22.439 --> 01:41:29.279
But it's we might be saying about like, you know, Phantom Menace is coming up in a couple of years.

1624
01:41:29.340 --> 01:41:33.840
You know, you look at this where they are actually in a set being rocked.

1625
01:41:33.899 --> 01:41:35.640
You know, so New York, yeah.

1626
01:41:35.699 --> 01:41:37.739
We can tell what's happening, but it looks realistic.

1627
01:41:37.739 --> 01:41:41.819
You compare with Attack of the Clones, you know, that bit at the end where the 3 of them are on that.

1628
01:41:41.880 --> 01:41:47.880
Oh, yeah. dinosaur thing after the thing and you know, it looks terrible.

1629
01:41:48.060 --> 01:41:53.579
There is really something to be said about, you know, these physical sets and these physical effects.

1630
01:41:53.640 --> 01:41:56.340
Did you see that special effects shot, then, are that opening up?

1631
01:41:56.399 --> 01:41:58.560
I just had faith of the heart going through my head.

1632
01:41:58.619 --> 01:41:59.880
Yes, exactly.

1633
01:41:59.939 --> 01:42:01.380
God be.

1634
01:42:01.560 --> 01:42:04.920
I mean, that's that's where they get it from, isn't it?

1635
01:42:04.979 --> 01:42:06.659
Like that's where they get it.

1636
01:42:06.899 --> 01:42:12.060
All of these physical buttons, all of these lights, all of these switches and stuff.

1637
01:42:12.119 --> 01:42:19.020
Then when they tried to do it to the Delta Flyer, they kind of went, these panels are boring and we're just going to put switches in the Delta Flyer for no reason.

1638
01:42:19.079 --> 01:42:21.119
It always looked really dumb and tokenistic.

1639
01:42:21.180 --> 01:42:27.899
But they've decided, you know, that, that's what they want to go for when they do their next, their next show.

1640
01:42:27.960 --> 01:42:28.800
So...

1641
01:42:28.920 --> 01:42:31.199
I mean, let's not forget as well.

1642
01:42:31.260 --> 01:42:36.899
Enterprise took the 1st contact scene and did that wonderful reversal of it.

1643
01:42:36.899 --> 01:42:40.979
In the alternative universe episode where Zeko got from murdered.

1644
01:42:41.039 --> 01:42:42.960
The Vulcans.

1645
01:42:44.039 --> 01:42:48.659
Oh, it was glorious and we didn't get to say Enterprise was glorious very often.

1646
01:42:48.720 --> 01:42:51.600
They do the music and everything. really good.

1647
01:42:51.659 --> 01:42:53.279
They just do that scene.

1648
01:42:53.340 --> 01:42:53.939
It's so good.

1649
01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:55.260
You're right.

1650
01:42:55.380 --> 01:42:57.359
This has inspired a lot, hasn't it?

1651
01:42:57.420 --> 01:43:02.579
Like, because really, we haven't done Bork action like this before.

1652
01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:06.119
But after this, we do it all the time.

1653
01:43:06.119 --> 01:43:11.039
And you've got all the sets that they've built all the props, all of the new Borg costumes and stuff.

1654
01:43:11.100 --> 01:43:18.119
So when Voyager does the book, they don't look as kind of low effort as they do in Star Trek the Next Generation.

1655
01:43:18.239 --> 01:43:25.800
I don't think they're literally going, right, let's do this movie and we can have loads of stuff built for our TV shows.

1656
01:43:25.859 --> 01:43:27.239
Oh, almost certainly they are.

1657
01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:27.960
Wow.

1658
01:43:28.079 --> 01:43:30.000
Yeah, I suppose that makes sense.

1659
01:43:30.060 --> 01:43:31.920
They're the production team.

1660
01:43:31.979 --> 01:43:41.100
You know, they know that they can drop a lot of money here and then have more ties it over, you know, the next, however many series of Voyager.

1661
01:43:41.159 --> 01:43:43.560
That's why it just feels like an episode though.

1662
01:43:43.619 --> 01:43:44.819
It's the production team.

1663
01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:47.760
Maybe it should not have been the production team, Ryan.

1664
01:43:47.819 --> 01:43:48.359
Yeah.

1665
01:43:48.420 --> 01:43:49.560
That is part of the problem.

1666
01:43:49.619 --> 01:43:54.539
It was always going to, and that's not the problem in original track.

1667
01:43:54.600 --> 01:43:55.500
Do you know what I mean?

1668
01:43:55.560 --> 01:43:56.939
Where the production team...

1669
01:43:56.939 --> 01:43:59.399
Nicholas Meyer comes in.

1670
01:43:59.460 --> 01:44:00.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1671
01:44:00.659 --> 01:44:03.539
Because I think Moya does 2 and 6, right?

1672
01:44:03.600 --> 01:44:04.500
doesn't he?

1673
01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:05.340
Yes.

1674
01:44:05.399 --> 01:44:07.140
Which are both brilliant.

1675
01:44:07.199 --> 01:44:08.640
And four. and four.

1676
01:44:09.000 --> 01:44:10.560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1677
01:44:12.180 --> 01:44:15.479
Okay, Picard and the ball queen now, yeah?

1678
01:44:15.539 --> 01:44:16.140
Yeah.

1679
01:44:16.199 --> 01:44:24.659
So, and we had that scene earlier, the sort of highest scene where they said, well, we've got to go into the thing and we've got to break one of the coolant tubes.

1680
01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:29.939
Um, and it, we see the thing with a little emblem on it.

1681
01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:31.979
So it's actually pointed out to us.

1682
01:44:32.039 --> 01:44:37.319
So we actually are not surprised by the way this is resolved that is all properly set up earlier.

1683
01:44:37.800 --> 01:44:40.319
It's Chekhov's coolant.

1684
01:44:40.380 --> 01:44:42.899
It is...

1685
01:44:43.020 --> 01:44:44.340
But at least it's been set up, you know?

1686
01:44:44.399 --> 01:44:45.720
Oh, here she is.

1687
01:44:45.779 --> 01:44:47.760
Look, your gunky sex fixer.

1688
01:44:49.380 --> 01:44:52.079
Does she start coming on to Picard?

1689
01:44:52.140 --> 01:44:53.579
Maybe I'll switched off at this point.

1690
01:44:55.199 --> 01:44:57.239
I can't handle it.

1691
01:44:57.300 --> 01:45:03.720
So, like, the Borg queen in Picard series 2 is not as oily as this.

1692
01:45:03.779 --> 01:45:07.500
Um, and she isn't sexy.

1693
01:45:07.500 --> 01:45:08.699
Like, she doesn't...

1694
01:45:08.699 --> 01:45:10.380
She's funny about that.

1695
01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:11.819
She's very funny.

1696
01:45:11.880 --> 01:45:12.479
She's awesome.

1697
01:45:12.600 --> 01:45:13.560
She's good.

1698
01:45:13.619 --> 01:45:15.600
Oh, what a loss that actress was.

1699
01:45:15.659 --> 01:45:16.500
She was so great.

1700
01:45:16.560 --> 01:45:17.340
She's one role.

1701
01:45:17.399 --> 01:45:19.199
Although, you know what?

1702
01:45:19.260 --> 01:45:30.300
I will say something for Susanna Thompson, who's a bit more vacant than both of them in the role, but when she's going up against Kate Mulgrew and Jerry Ryan, those scenes are wonderful.

1703
01:45:30.359 --> 01:45:33.720
So, I mean, she had been in it.

1704
01:45:33.779 --> 01:45:37.439
She, you know, guessed it on plenty of Star Trek at that point.

1705
01:45:37.500 --> 01:45:39.479
She's on episodes.

1706
01:45:39.539 --> 01:45:40.020
Yeah, yeah.

1707
01:45:40.079 --> 01:45:41.579
She is in a few episodes of the...

1708
01:45:41.640 --> 01:45:43.140
She's the love interest in rejoined.

1709
01:45:43.199 --> 01:45:44.039
We've Dax.

1710
01:45:44.100 --> 01:45:44.640
Oh, okay.

1711
01:45:44.699 --> 01:45:45.420
I didn't know that.

1712
01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:45.899
Okay.

1713
01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:47.520
Now that is a sex.

1714
01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:52.439
Because she's in frame of mind and she's in a few things like she's done it before.

1715
01:45:53.760 --> 01:45:59.100
Yeah, so this, where we kind of wreck Connie, where he's aware of her.

1716
01:45:59.159 --> 01:46:07.500
He recognises her and that his job was to be her consort, and I do kind of like the twist, where it's like he's going to be a drone.

1717
01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:08.760
He'll make an excellent drone.

1718
01:46:08.819 --> 01:46:19.739
I think data says just to, uh, um, you know, throw him off the sand so he doesn't realise that, uh, so she doesn't realise that he's about to betray her.

1719
01:46:19.800 --> 01:46:23.460
It's one of the unfortunate things about innovation though, isn't it?

1720
01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:26.039
It's like, how have we never heard of this character before?

1721
01:46:26.100 --> 01:46:27.239
The ball queen.

1722
01:46:27.300 --> 01:46:30.840
You just think until 3 dimensional, you jewel, that's your problem.

1723
01:46:30.899 --> 01:46:41.100
No, no, no, but like it's a good innovation and they, they, they're doing new things and that's good, but there is that lingering like, ah, the best of both worlds, you know, she wasn't involved there.

1724
01:46:41.159 --> 01:46:44.640
No, but he's kind of, he says that he's sort of aware of her.

1725
01:46:44.699 --> 01:46:51.659
Like he recognises her. and sort of senses that she was behind things.

1726
01:46:51.720 --> 01:47:00.359
I mean, the idea is that they're an ant colony. you know, they're you social, you know, that they're not, they're a hive, that's the term that we use.

1727
01:47:00.420 --> 01:47:04.020
And so she's the queen, like that kind of makes sense.

1728
01:47:04.380 --> 01:47:16.800
You know, as soon as you say a queen, then it makes perfect sense with, let you say, that hive mind of the Borg, that there would be one single person above and beyond all these drones.

1729
01:47:16.920 --> 01:47:18.960
Is it answer is it bees?

1730
01:47:19.079 --> 01:47:20.039
Both.

1731
01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:21.479
Oh.

1732
01:47:21.539 --> 01:47:22.020
Yeah.

1733
01:47:22.380 --> 01:47:23.760
Yeah.

1734
01:47:23.819 --> 01:47:28.979
But I mean, the Borg, the queen of an ant colony of the queen of a b colony doesn't order everyone around.

1735
01:47:29.039 --> 01:47:32.159
You know, isn't the organising principle or anything like that.

1736
01:47:32.220 --> 01:47:36.300
And it, and it, so it, it does just work.

1737
01:47:36.359 --> 01:47:45.300
And obviously they found that it was impossible to do this without giving the Borg an actor to be the Borg.

1738
01:47:45.359 --> 01:47:45.960
Do you know what I mean?

1739
01:47:46.020 --> 01:47:47.579
We need a voice.

1740
01:47:47.579 --> 01:47:48.119
Exactly.

1741
01:47:48.180 --> 01:47:48.659
Exactly.

1742
01:47:48.720 --> 01:47:50.939
You do need that, don't you?

1743
01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:54.420
Because otherwise it's just, you know, the Borg is just drones.

1744
01:47:54.479 --> 01:47:57.239
There's nothing to really for anyone to play off.

1745
01:47:57.239 --> 01:48:01.560
And, you know, so we've talked about the A plot and the B plot, but we do this.

1746
01:48:01.560 --> 01:48:08.220
There's a C plot of data in the queen, you know, which adds more dimension, it fleshes it out.

1747
01:48:08.279 --> 01:48:11.880
It gives it a bit more richness than, you know, if we didn't have this boar queen.

1748
01:48:11.939 --> 01:48:15.239
I think it could possibly be quite flattened steel.

1749
01:48:15.300 --> 01:48:22.619
We say that the D-plot then is Picard and Alfred Woodhouse character, because that is a running threat.

1750
01:48:22.739 --> 01:48:26.640
Well, that's kind of the B plot, I think, isn't it, essentially what's happening on the ship?

1751
01:48:26.699 --> 01:48:39.539
Like, you've got, you've got what, what's Riker and Geordie doing with thing, what's Picard and Alfred Woodard doing and what is Data and the Queen doing.

1752
01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:41.340
So it's essentially 3 plots, I think.

1753
01:48:41.399 --> 01:48:45.600
I do think they try to address the ensemble thing in the next film, though.

1754
01:48:45.659 --> 01:48:49.859
So obviously the next film is far less in scope.

1755
01:48:49.979 --> 01:48:55.439
It's down on that planet and they do give all the regulars more to do in that film.

1756
01:48:55.560 --> 01:48:58.439
There's more sort of character humour and more stuff.

1757
01:48:58.500 --> 01:49:02.640
Because in it, like, you know, Beverly and Troy haven't done anything.

1758
01:49:02.760 --> 01:49:05.460
At least they get to talk about their boobs next time.

1759
01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:06.420
So there's that.

1760
01:49:06.479 --> 01:49:07.020
That is true.

1761
01:49:08.039 --> 01:49:10.380
What are their boobs firm enough?

1762
01:49:10.439 --> 01:49:14.640
Because they're getting younger or something because of the planet, remember?

1763
01:49:14.699 --> 01:49:32.520
The, I mean, this, the problem is that Star Trek, the Next Generation is a TV show and it's not a film and, you know, like what happens is that everyone, there's a Beverly episode and then there's a Troy episode and then there's a, you know, and that's how they managed to do that.

1764
01:49:32.579 --> 01:49:42.539
When you've got 7 main characters, you know, you end up concentrating on the, on basically Picard and data, don't you?

1765
01:49:42.600 --> 01:49:44.340
And that's what happens in all.

1766
01:49:44.399 --> 01:49:45.180
Oh, that's how it goes.

1767
01:49:45.239 --> 01:49:47.819
I mean, we've had, you know, Picard and Data in generations.

1768
01:49:47.880 --> 01:49:49.619
We get Picard and data in this one now.

1769
01:49:49.680 --> 01:49:51.720
It's there's a lot of Picard in.

1770
01:49:51.779 --> 01:49:54.300
The next one, not as much deal, but it's very Picard, heavy men.

1771
01:49:54.300 --> 01:49:55.739
No, no, no.

1772
01:49:55.800 --> 01:49:57.779
Dennis, again, it's recording, it's data.

1773
01:49:57.899 --> 01:50:04.800
So it's, it's, it's the obvious choice because, you know, data is the more compelling character, Picard is obviously the captain.

1774
01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:12.899
It's the obvious choice to focus on those too, but you do feel you kind of miss something by not having a film that focusses more perhaps on Riker or...

1775
01:50:12.960 --> 01:50:15.600
You know, I mean, they're in there.

1776
01:50:15.659 --> 01:50:19.800
There's elements in there, but if the focus, if you had like a real sort of ranker focussed one.

1777
01:50:19.859 --> 01:50:30.600
If they made the move to have a whole movie just based on Troy and Dr. Beverly, the respects I would have for them to give them $40000000 for Troy and Beverly.

1778
01:50:30.659 --> 01:50:44.399
But, I mean, I remember at the time feeling a little bit sad that I would never have, you know, 26 episodes of this stupid show every year and everyone would get a go that all we're going to get.

1779
01:50:44.460 --> 01:50:48.239
We'll get these, you know, great visuals and stuff like that and some character things.

1780
01:50:48.300 --> 01:50:54.840
Like this is still a talky Star Trek film, but there's just not time for all of the people to get a proper role.

1781
01:50:54.899 --> 01:50:55.140
You know?

1782
01:50:55.800 --> 01:50:56.460
worry about it.

1783
01:50:56.520 --> 01:50:58.020
There's still DS9 on at the point.

1784
01:50:58.079 --> 01:51:00.899
Well, you know, Voyagers on at the same time.

1785
01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:02.220
Like there's plenty of...

1786
01:51:02.220 --> 01:51:03.119
Enterprise is coming.

1787
01:51:03.180 --> 01:51:04.319
Yeah, yeah.

1788
01:51:04.380 --> 01:51:06.539
War, yes. absolutely absolutely.

1789
01:51:06.600 --> 01:51:08.340
Look at all this look.

1790
01:51:08.399 --> 01:51:13.380
Picard Buff hanging there with his muscles bulging, the war course exploded.

1791
01:51:14.039 --> 01:51:15.420
I love I love this bit coming up.

1792
01:51:15.479 --> 01:51:18.180
You know, you've got the...

1793
01:51:18.180 --> 01:51:25.979
You know, the Queen's melting, the, um, the bald or, disco themselves to death.

1794
01:51:26.039 --> 01:51:42.359
You've got Picard, who's, who's, Picard's got full Bruce Willis now, if we didn't know it was die hard with zombies in space, we do now because, because in his vest, he's grimy, he's sweaty, he's dirty, and there's a lovely shot coming up, which kind of like pans up his leg and he puts his feet down and his boots are absolutely immaculate.

1795
01:51:42.420 --> 01:51:45.000
His trousers are absolutely imaginate.

1796
01:51:45.060 --> 01:51:45.779
Yes.

1797
01:51:45.779 --> 01:51:49.800
There is not a speck on them and it just goes up to them.

1798
01:51:49.859 --> 01:51:50.699
And he's in charge.

1799
01:51:50.760 --> 01:51:52.079
Of course it fruits to clean.

1800
01:51:52.140 --> 01:51:56.520
It's just... it's just brilliant.

1801
01:51:56.699 --> 01:51:59.699
Do you know, he does look hot in that tank top.

1802
01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:01.920
It's pretty amazing.

1803
01:52:02.039 --> 01:52:04.260
Hanging there, and you could see his sinews.

1804
01:52:04.319 --> 01:52:07.439
I was like, Patrick, honestly.

1805
01:52:07.560 --> 01:52:08.819
Yeah, yeah, we go.

1806
01:52:08.880 --> 01:52:10.619
There it is.

1807
01:52:13.739 --> 01:52:15.659
Those boots would pass.

1808
01:52:15.720 --> 01:52:20.460
The energy of the warp core sort of dusted over them and gave them a shot.

1809
01:52:20.520 --> 01:52:23.460
Yeah, just a little bit of that coolant.

1810
01:52:23.520 --> 01:52:25.140
You could cover it with a line.

1811
01:52:25.260 --> 01:52:31.380
I do think that making him walk through and over the dead bodies of the Borg is a choice.

1812
01:52:31.439 --> 01:52:32.640
Do you know what I mean?

1813
01:52:32.699 --> 01:52:34.140
Because he was sort of dismissive.

1814
01:52:34.199 --> 01:52:37.380
Like, and just he's looking at the dead bodies and stuff.

1815
01:52:37.439 --> 01:52:41.220
Like, there's no dialogue about it, but I think that that was the right thing to do.

1816
01:52:41.279 --> 01:52:45.000
You know, not have it dissolve them and there's no one there.

1817
01:52:45.300 --> 01:52:47.460
I know there's no time to do it.

1818
01:52:47.520 --> 01:52:49.739
You know, when all that coolant was coming out, yeah.

1819
01:52:49.800 --> 01:52:51.899
Or from the warp core.

1820
01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:55.500
I just wish somebody could have drawn a smiley face in it at one point.

1821
01:52:57.720 --> 01:52:59.880
Now that is alien.

1822
01:52:59.939 --> 01:53:02.340
Look at that exoskeleton, absolutely.

1823
01:53:02.399 --> 01:53:04.319
Or is it Terminator?

1824
01:53:04.319 --> 01:53:04.859
Terminator?

1825
01:53:04.920 --> 01:53:05.880
Yeah, it's terminator, isn't it?

1826
01:53:05.880 --> 01:53:06.779
Yeah, yeah.

1827
01:53:06.840 --> 01:53:07.319
Yeah.

1828
01:53:08.100 --> 01:53:10.979
Oh, there she goes.

1829
01:53:11.039 --> 01:53:13.859
Not so sexy now, is she, boys?

1830
01:53:17.880 --> 01:53:19.859
Oh, no.

1831
01:53:19.920 --> 01:53:26.039
Paul, every time they did this, you know, they tried to show it in circuitry, but obviously it's an extra layer on Brent.

1832
01:53:26.159 --> 01:53:27.600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1833
01:53:27.659 --> 01:53:29.039
It looks really bad, doesn't it?

1834
01:53:29.100 --> 01:53:32.880
Because they have to do the thing where they have to put an extra layer on top of the other layer.

1835
01:53:34.140 --> 01:53:37.800
It looks like it's inside his head rather than just on top of it.

1836
01:53:37.920 --> 01:53:40.560
But yes, his head is absolutely enormous.

1837
01:53:41.399 --> 01:53:43.979
Boss, it still looks great.

1838
01:53:44.039 --> 01:53:45.720
Wow, yes.

1839
01:53:45.779 --> 01:53:46.920
No, it does look okay.

1840
01:53:46.979 --> 01:53:48.000
Yeah.

1841
01:53:48.060 --> 01:53:49.979
It always looked a bit silly, I think.

1842
01:53:50.039 --> 01:53:51.600
Should I what?

1843
01:53:51.659 --> 01:53:54.840
I swear those are the bore cubicles that are on Voyager.

1844
01:53:54.899 --> 01:53:56.220
They've noticed that as well.

1845
01:53:56.279 --> 01:53:56.699
Yes, they are.

1846
01:53:56.760 --> 01:53:57.899
No, no, of course they are.

1847
01:53:57.960 --> 01:53:58.199
Yeah.

1848
01:53:58.260 --> 01:53:59.819
Pilferers honestly.

1849
01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:00.479
I know.

1850
01:54:00.539 --> 01:54:04.319
They just put them in a in a big warehouse and then drag them out, you know?

1851
01:54:04.380 --> 01:54:05.460
absolutely.

1852
01:54:08.760 --> 01:54:13.380
How many hours in the gym do you imagine Patrick did before this movie?

1853
01:54:13.439 --> 01:54:14.579
Quite a few.

1854
01:54:14.640 --> 01:54:15.899
I wonder how old he is.

1855
01:54:16.140 --> 01:54:18.359
I wonder how old he is.

1856
01:54:18.960 --> 01:54:21.840
Here, let me help you up, Data.

1857
01:54:21.899 --> 01:54:23.640
I can flex once more on camera.

1858
01:54:25.439 --> 01:54:27.659
Bit of sweat, look.

1859
01:54:27.720 --> 01:54:30.659
Oh, man, Patrick, you've never looked more enticing.

1860
01:54:30.779 --> 01:54:33.899
But now here is the real point of the story.

1861
01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:39.060
And and we made it a thing, didn't we?

1862
01:54:39.119 --> 01:54:42.539
So April the 5th is now 1st contact day.

1863
01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:53.520
Um, you know, Star Wars nerds have May the 4th, uh, but we have April the 5th, and April the 5th, 2063 for a film that comes out in 1996.

1864
01:54:53.880 --> 01:54:58.560
It's just beyond the lifespan of like kids who are watching it, isn't it?

1865
01:54:58.680 --> 01:55:02.760
You know, like in which case, Patrick Stewart is 56 years old. at this point.

1866
01:55:02.819 --> 01:55:03.779
Yeah, he's my age.

1867
01:55:03.840 --> 01:55:04.739
At this point.

1868
01:55:04.800 --> 01:55:08.399
I mean, he's not as hot as you, but he's pretty hot.

1869
01:55:08.460 --> 01:55:08.939
I don't know.

1870
01:55:09.000 --> 01:55:09.359
You know?

1871
01:55:09.720 --> 01:55:14.039
I'd love to see you in a tank top climb in front of those Jeffreys tubes.

1872
01:55:14.159 --> 01:55:15.960
Better sweat all over you.

1873
01:55:16.020 --> 01:55:16.619
Oh yes.

1874
01:55:16.800 --> 01:55:20.819
Yeah, well, that, that, I walk upstairs.

1875
01:55:24.479 --> 01:55:26.220
I know the feeling.

1876
01:55:26.760 --> 01:55:29.460
This is so beautifully filmed.

1877
01:55:29.520 --> 01:55:33.899
I think they just got every shot and the music here is perfect.

1878
01:55:33.960 --> 01:55:36.720
The reaction shot. is just perfect.

1879
01:55:37.260 --> 01:55:39.659
It's the thing too, isn't it?

1880
01:55:39.720 --> 01:55:41.819
It like, yes, it always was the Falcons.

1881
01:55:41.880 --> 01:55:43.199
Of course it was the Falcons.

1882
01:55:43.260 --> 01:55:44.039
That's brilliant.

1883
01:55:44.100 --> 01:55:50.880
And that's why, of course, we get the Falcons as the villains in early...

1884
01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:52.380
Oh, I had to...

1885
01:55:52.439 --> 01:55:53.279
Yeah, yeah.

1886
01:55:53.340 --> 01:55:56.939
There's so many casual racism going on.

1887
01:55:57.000 --> 01:55:57.840
Thank God.

1888
01:55:58.439 --> 01:56:04.380
Although Manikoto is the producer that did the reversal of this scene.

1889
01:56:04.739 --> 01:56:07.619
Yeah, it's a bastard.

1890
01:56:11.460 --> 01:56:17.520
Yeah, that's that was one thing that I just really, really liked.

1891
01:56:17.579 --> 01:56:19.979
And I, like, look at that where they hold hands.

1892
01:56:20.039 --> 01:56:21.300
They've barely been in it together.

1893
01:56:21.359 --> 01:56:25.560
We barely seen them and they just quickly hold each other's hands and then he goes forward.

1894
01:56:25.619 --> 01:56:27.300
I think it's terrific.

1895
01:56:27.359 --> 01:56:30.119
I'm like, what the shaping can as well.

1896
01:56:30.779 --> 01:56:31.439
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1897
01:56:31.439 --> 01:56:32.520
That's brilliant, isn't it?

1898
01:56:32.579 --> 01:56:36.720
It's such a, again, you know, it ties into this concept we're talking about.

1899
01:56:36.779 --> 01:56:48.539
They're not weak as, you know, we can all do a Vulcan solute, but, you know, the, yeah, does anyone that can, he tries, he's like, nah, that I'm in a handshake instead. been practising.

1900
01:56:49.560 --> 01:56:51.600
Can you guys do it?

1901
01:56:51.659 --> 01:56:54.000
Yeah, that's how great people normally.

1902
01:56:55.859 --> 01:56:58.319
What's Doctor Who day then?

1903
01:56:58.380 --> 01:56:59.880
November the 21st?

1904
01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:01.439
Yeah, I guess.

1905
01:57:01.500 --> 01:57:03.000
That's much more warm, though.

1906
01:57:03.060 --> 01:57:11.100
I mean, 1st contact day, like again, it's putting it into history, you know, like it's the one big gap in the timeline.

1907
01:57:11.159 --> 01:57:15.840
It's a genius one to make the centrepiece of this film, I think.

1908
01:57:15.899 --> 01:57:19.859
It's the only Next Generation film that gives us a vital moment like this.

1909
01:57:19.920 --> 01:57:21.119
You know what I mean?

1910
01:57:21.180 --> 01:57:22.079
There's nothing in generation.

1911
01:57:22.140 --> 01:57:24.600
I mean, I suppose in...

1912
01:57:24.659 --> 01:57:29.159
You think about the people of Veridian 4, Joe. You do.

1913
01:57:29.220 --> 01:57:30.420
I'm not sure I do.

1914
01:57:30.539 --> 01:57:31.560
I don't give a shit.

1915
01:57:31.680 --> 01:57:37.800
In nemesis, they do they do inform some of Kursman Trek, don't they, with the Romulans Senate and all that.

1916
01:57:37.859 --> 01:57:39.239
It's always boring.

1917
01:57:39.300 --> 01:57:39.899
Like, who cares?

1918
01:57:40.020 --> 01:57:41.640
This is important.

1919
01:57:41.819 --> 01:57:45.060
This is absolutely a pin in Star Trek law.

1920
01:57:45.119 --> 01:57:50.460
See, this, I envy you the world you're going to, and he just says, I envy you.

1921
01:57:50.579 --> 01:57:55.560
Like this is a thing, this incredible thing that's about to happen on Earth.

1922
01:57:55.619 --> 01:58:06.539
And remember, it's an earth where 600000000 people have died in the 3rd world war in the in the decades leading up to this, you know, like they nearly don't make it.

1923
01:58:06.600 --> 01:58:09.300
Um, and then this happens.

1924
01:58:09.359 --> 01:58:10.140
It's amazing.

1925
01:58:10.199 --> 01:58:11.699
It's such a, that's great.

1926
01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:12.840
That kiss as well.

1927
01:58:12.899 --> 01:58:14.699
Because it's in no way romantic.

1928
01:58:14.760 --> 01:58:16.500
It's just a kiss.

1929
01:58:16.560 --> 01:58:29.279
It is, it's 100% romantic because, you know, it's, but it is, it is just what it's, what it's going to be, you know, because after everything they've been through, you know, you can see it in their eyes and then a little peck on the cheek.

1930
01:58:29.340 --> 01:58:32.220
I mean, if that was, if that was Kirk, it would be full on power smooch.

1931
01:58:32.279 --> 01:58:33.420
Yeah.

1932
01:58:33.420 --> 01:58:38.880
But he's a bit older and and they've got the clubs in there with other people.

1933
01:58:38.939 --> 01:58:43.920
In this contract, you know, in every film he's going to have one kiss, even if it's a peck on the cheek.

1934
01:58:43.979 --> 01:58:48.000
Although he has that beautiful woman in insurrection, doesn't he?

1935
01:58:48.060 --> 01:58:49.800
She's stunning, isn't she?

1936
01:58:49.920 --> 01:58:51.479
She's gorgeous.

1937
01:58:51.539 --> 01:58:52.560
I mean he's batting there.

1938
01:58:52.619 --> 01:58:53.760
Yeah, yeah.

1939
01:58:54.119 --> 01:58:57.119
Oh, look, there's a publicity shot.

1940
01:58:57.180 --> 01:59:00.659
The next generation shot of everyone with the bridge.

1941
01:59:00.720 --> 01:59:04.260
I actually love how we don't see them leave as well.

1942
01:59:04.319 --> 01:59:06.539
We see the shot on the bridge.

1943
01:59:06.600 --> 01:59:18.600
We see Lily look up and see them leave through the hole in the sky and then we cut to this ridiculous scene where he's giving them the terrible whiskey and trying to make them dance, which is just awesome.

1944
01:59:19.439 --> 01:59:24.359
We've got a few plot holes, but we've got a few lanes to...

1945
01:59:24.359 --> 01:59:25.380
Oh, that's right.

1946
01:59:25.439 --> 01:59:26.520
We do go to wrap them up, is it?

1947
01:59:26.520 --> 01:59:27.300
we wrap up.

1948
01:59:27.359 --> 01:59:28.380
We'll get back.

1949
01:59:28.439 --> 01:59:31.560
Oh, yeah, we'll just, we'll just replicate whatever, whatever we'll prove.

1950
01:59:31.619 --> 01:59:34.079
We can do that with the warp engines there, magic.

1951
01:59:34.140 --> 01:59:35.460
Yeah, yeah.

1952
01:59:35.460 --> 01:59:37.439
If they would get back in, what, like whatever?

1953
01:59:37.500 --> 01:59:38.460
What about the Vulcans, though?

1954
01:59:38.520 --> 01:59:39.899
How come they're not going to spot us?

1955
01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:40.619
Whoopsing, I would.

1956
01:59:40.680 --> 01:59:41.579
We'll just park it behind you.

1957
01:59:41.640 --> 01:59:42.300
We had that.

1958
01:59:42.300 --> 01:59:43.199
Behind the moon.

1959
01:59:43.260 --> 01:59:43.979
It's fine.

1960
01:59:44.039 --> 01:59:45.239
No one will see us behind the moon.

1961
01:59:45.300 --> 01:59:47.520
That's not how sensors work nowadays.

1962
01:59:47.579 --> 01:59:52.560
So, you know, they're all shit, you know, so it's all crazy. taking his place in history.

1963
01:59:52.619 --> 01:59:56.699
He's seen us through the most important moment ever, but he's still a prick.

1964
01:59:59.399 --> 02:00:02.159
Oh, do you see the way he was dancing?

1965
02:00:02.220 --> 02:00:04.619
That's how I look dancing. absolutely terrible.

1966
02:00:05.279 --> 02:00:07.619
Oh, that was a chore.

1967
02:00:07.619 --> 02:00:08.760
What a joy.

1968
02:00:08.819 --> 02:00:13.319
And frankly, everyone's breathing a sigh of relief after generations, you know.

1969
02:00:13.380 --> 02:00:14.279
Yeah.

1970
02:00:14.279 --> 02:00:16.979
Coming out of the cinema going.

1971
02:00:17.159 --> 02:00:20.039
Wow, I do it again and again.

1972
02:00:21.060 --> 02:00:24.659
Although Fraser, I believe you're a fan of insurrection.

1973
02:00:24.720 --> 02:00:26.279
I quite like it.

1974
02:00:26.340 --> 02:00:28.739
You know, it's not a great film.

1975
02:00:28.800 --> 02:00:40.500
It's, more than anything, it is, like you say, it's, it's a big, um, next generation episode. you know, whereas this one doesn't feel like that, that, you know, insurrection really does.

1976
02:00:40.560 --> 02:00:43.979
But, you know, it has some moments of charm in it.

1977
02:00:44.039 --> 02:00:51.720
I like the sort of the concept. what you're saying, this is like a fundamental pin in the history of the federation.

1978
02:00:51.779 --> 02:01:06.479
I think insurrection really does that job of, you know, saying, well, actually what underpins the Federation is this idea of the prime direct, this idea that we are better and we don't just, um, you know, throw a weight around or anything.

1979
02:01:06.539 --> 02:01:14.100
We're not like Americans storming into Kubi it for oil or anything like that when, and it really, it kind of plays with those ideas.

1980
02:01:14.159 --> 02:01:20.279
I hate to sound like a stuck record, you know, we have done a lot of concepts of insurrection with the marquee.

1981
02:01:20.579 --> 02:01:23.699
They just can't get out of this mindset.

1982
02:01:23.760 --> 02:01:28.319
And I think I do wonder if this is why the TNG movies just didn't have a hose.

1983
02:01:28.380 --> 02:01:43.140
I think there is a different angle with insurrection than, you know, the Marquis or, um, played very sympathetically at times as, you know, there's, there's, there's episodes where you kind of think, yeah, I can see where the market coming from, yeah.

1984
02:01:43.199 --> 02:01:45.300
Yeah, Micah chooses the Niki. you know what I mean?

1985
02:01:45.359 --> 02:01:45.960
He's us.

1986
02:01:46.020 --> 02:01:49.979
Like he's one of us and he makes that choice, the choice that Rowe makes.

1987
02:01:50.100 --> 02:01:53.039
Like people that we care about make the choice to do the marquee.

1988
02:01:54.000 --> 02:01:57.420
It's not entirely clear that they're in the wrong.

1989
02:01:57.479 --> 02:01:59.760
And I think that's that's good.

1990
02:01:59.819 --> 02:02:02.340
Like, that's a good...

1991
02:02:02.520 --> 02:02:05.880
Exactly, but, you know, you understand why.

1992
02:02:05.939 --> 02:02:08.520
You know, you get a good, yeah.

1993
02:02:08.579 --> 02:02:09.180
Yeah.

1994
02:02:09.239 --> 02:02:09.659
Yeah.

1995
02:02:09.720 --> 02:02:19.199
Even, you know, the stuff in, what's the episode in series 7 with Wesley in it at the very end and the and the naval journey's end, yeah.

1996
02:02:19.260 --> 02:02:22.979
So all of that ambiguity about stuff.

1997
02:02:23.039 --> 02:02:24.960
Like, I thought that was that was good.

1998
02:02:25.020 --> 02:02:30.539
Like, the trouble with the inspiration is, they're still, they're still thinking in that framework that they are.

1999
02:02:30.600 --> 02:02:31.859
They just can't get out of it.

2000
02:02:31.920 --> 02:02:37.199
It's because it's the same people doing it and it's the same people who've been doing it for ages.

2001
02:02:37.199 --> 02:02:41.760
And if you compare it to Kurtzman Trek, where you've got a wider range of creatives.

2002
02:02:41.819 --> 02:02:46.079
You know, it's not just Alex Kurtzman doing everything.

2003
02:02:46.140 --> 02:02:52.859
You know, there's different producers and different writers and different people involved in all of the different series.

2004
02:02:52.920 --> 02:03:01.260
And so they don't all seem the same, but all of the 90s strike stuff just seems the same because it's all the same people doing it.

2005
02:03:01.319 --> 02:03:10.439
And by just going, we're going straight to films because the other crew are too old to do them and we want to keep doing Star Trek films.

2006
02:03:10.500 --> 02:03:17.220
That just means that we haven't had the chance to miss them and we don't get to see them being written by different creatives.

2007
02:03:17.279 --> 02:03:31.260
And that's why I think Picard series 3 is so great because you've got completely new people, a completely new group of people creating a story and a universe for these people to live in.

2008
02:03:31.319 --> 02:03:33.180
And I think that's why that's so successful.

2009
02:03:33.359 --> 02:03:41.819
But it's kind of why I don't think Nemesis had a hope in hell. when it came out, is because you are right, Fraser.

2010
02:03:41.880 --> 02:03:45.420
So they're doing Picard and Data again, and we've done that 3 times already.

2011
02:03:45.479 --> 02:03:49.319
There's nothing new or interesting said about either character in that.

2012
02:03:49.380 --> 02:03:55.260
We're bringing in, what, fake data and fake Picard in that to try and make it more interesting.

2013
02:03:55.319 --> 02:03:59.579
It's the same bloody people writing it again, so they've got nothing new to say.

2014
02:03:59.640 --> 02:04:01.979
But they bring it, they go, right, well, we'll try something new there.

2015
02:04:02.039 --> 02:04:05.579
We'll bring in a new director who's never directed Star Trek before.

2016
02:04:05.640 --> 02:04:10.020
And he hasn't got a fucking clue what Star Trek's about, how to do it.

2017
02:04:10.079 --> 02:04:24.119
The whole thing is just a massively expensive flop, and it's really sad because for a long time, that was the next generation's legacy for a long time until Picard, well, maybe Picard 3, basically.

2018
02:04:24.300 --> 02:04:33.600
However, at this point, things are looking bright because this film was a huge critical and financial success.

2019
02:04:33.659 --> 02:04:42.840
It was, I think, the highest grossing trek film to this and they, you know, they thought they were on for a winner.

2020
02:04:42.899 --> 02:04:44.279
No wonder they kept going.

2021
02:04:44.340 --> 02:04:44.939
Yeah, yeah.

2022
02:04:45.000 --> 02:04:46.920
How much did it cost again?

2023
02:04:47.880 --> 02:04:52.680
It costs 40000000, Fraser, and it made 142 million.

2024
02:04:52.739 --> 02:04:54.779
It made 1000000 more than its budget.

2025
02:04:54.840 --> 02:04:59.939
So they must have been sitting there and those offers rubbing their hands together going, right, get on the phone to Patrick.

2026
02:05:00.000 --> 02:05:01.380
We're going to do another one, you know.

2027
02:05:01.439 --> 02:05:03.420
Patrick, back in the gym.

2028
02:05:12.479 --> 02:05:16.859
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

2029
02:05:16.920 --> 02:05:28.560
First contact was my excellent choice for this year's Christmas movie, which can only mean that it's your turn to pick now, Joe. So what series are we choosing from?

2030
02:05:28.680 --> 02:05:38.039
Well, I've got to go where I usually go, and that's to the 90s because, well, we've got our fucking tom still to do compared to everywhere else.

2031
02:05:38.100 --> 02:05:43.500
And, you know, we may find ourselves in a next generation episode, it might be nice to do some comparisons to the movie.

2032
02:05:43.560 --> 02:05:44.579
Okay.

2033
02:05:44.699 --> 02:05:45.840
Okay.

2034
02:05:45.899 --> 02:05:46.680
So here we go.

2035
02:05:46.739 --> 02:05:50.279
All 4 in, next generation, Deep Space and Iron, Voyager, and Enterprise.

2036
02:05:50.340 --> 02:05:51.119
Excellent.

2037
02:05:51.180 --> 02:05:54.779
Again, chances are this will be terrible, but let's go.

2038
02:05:55.920 --> 02:05:57.600
It's terrible.

2039
02:05:57.659 --> 02:06:03.600
Season one of Next Generation, season one, episode 10.

2040
02:06:04.260 --> 02:06:12.000
Hide and Q. Surely you remember that one, Fraser. which one's that again?

2041
02:06:12.060 --> 02:06:17.520
It's when Q gives all of his magical powers to Riker.

2042
02:06:17.579 --> 02:06:18.180
To Acre.

2043
02:06:18.239 --> 02:06:18.479
Yes.

2044
02:06:18.539 --> 02:06:18.840
Yeah.

2045
02:06:18.899 --> 02:06:19.979
Oh, man.

2046
02:06:20.039 --> 02:06:21.779
I'm not quite up to that one on my we watch.

2047
02:06:21.840 --> 02:06:23.399
I mean, we watch is stalled.

2048
02:06:23.520 --> 02:06:25.800
Yeah, it's not a wood store before then.

2049
02:06:27.060 --> 02:06:29.579
I'm gonna have to pick that up again.

2050
02:06:29.640 --> 02:06:31.319
Oh, that would be interesting.

2051
02:06:31.380 --> 02:06:33.180
Yeah, do that one No, it's too.

2052
02:06:33.180 --> 02:06:35.699
I can do it on the 1st row.

2053
02:06:35.760 --> 02:06:43.859
It's the one where Riker offers the Klingon woman. to war from the bridge and she starts crawling along the floor towards him.

2054
02:06:43.979 --> 02:06:45.300
It's a horny Roddenberry one.

2055
02:06:45.359 --> 02:06:51.420
Where where he turns Wesley into an old man who in no way looks like Will Wheaton now.

2056
02:06:51.479 --> 02:06:57.479
This is an enormous bulky bloke who goes, but when he talks, he's still got Will Wheaton's voice.

2057
02:06:57.539 --> 02:06:59.100
That's terrible.

2058
02:06:59.159 --> 02:07:01.020
But Geordie says, oh, look, you got hard.

2059
02:07:01.079 --> 02:07:04.199
Well done, Wes. like it's like creepy and totally weird.

2060
02:07:04.260 --> 02:07:10.020
Yeah, but then he offers Geordie his sight back and oh, and he's going to make did. human, isn't he?

2061
02:07:10.380 --> 02:07:12.539
I'll press the button again.

2062
02:07:13.619 --> 02:07:15.479
Oh my god.

2063
02:07:15.539 --> 02:07:16.319
Oh no.

2064
02:07:16.380 --> 02:07:18.539
Somehow, we've got something even worse.

2065
02:07:18.600 --> 02:07:21.000
Well, is it code of honour?

2066
02:07:21.060 --> 02:07:22.920
We may have to do this, you know.

2067
02:07:22.979 --> 02:07:30.720
We've mentioned it quite a few times in Untitled Star Trek Project, and it's never come up on the randomiser before.

2068
02:07:30.840 --> 02:07:33.180
You're random.

2069
02:07:33.180 --> 02:07:39.779
Star Trek D Space 9 episode is season one, episode 10 again. move along home.

2070
02:07:39.840 --> 02:07:42.000
Oh yes, no, we absolutely have to do that.

2071
02:07:42.060 --> 02:07:43.319
Yeah, yeah, we're doing it.

2072
02:07:43.500 --> 02:07:45.300
Oh, I love that one.

2073
02:07:45.359 --> 02:07:48.060
Freeze, I do, I need to remind you what that one's about.

2074
02:07:48.119 --> 02:07:53.939
No, that, that, it's like, that is literally the um, the 1st ever episode of Deep Space 9 I watched.

2075
02:07:54.000 --> 02:07:55.560
Oh, you came back?

2076
02:07:55.619 --> 02:07:57.359
Yeah, animated school.

2077
02:07:57.420 --> 02:08:11.340
He had Sky, and I didn't at the time, so he videoed a bunch of DS names for us and, you know, put them all on a tape and, you know, so I had a tape for like 3 or 4 taste lanes, and that was the very 1st one.

2078
02:08:11.399 --> 02:08:13.140
So, yeah, absolutely do that.

2079
02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:17.640
I mean, it's the one that most people considered to be the Nadir of Deep Space.

2080
02:08:17.699 --> 02:08:19.500
I've watched that bear with us.

2081
02:08:19.560 --> 02:08:22.619
I'm going to see what I wrote about it when I watched it.

2082
02:08:22.739 --> 02:08:24.180
Oh, my DS name.

2083
02:08:24.239 --> 02:08:32.760
All I'm going to say in the interim is A la Marine, count 2 4, A la Marine, then 3 more, et cetera, et cetera.

2084
02:08:32.819 --> 02:08:37.079
I don't need to mention that we've we've done it on lower decks, do I?

2085
02:08:37.140 --> 02:08:39.000
What, move along home?

2086
02:08:39.060 --> 02:08:42.479
Yeah, what we've done that we've played that game.

2087
02:08:42.539 --> 02:08:45.840
We've had people trapped in the game in Lower Decks.

2088
02:08:45.899 --> 02:08:48.119
This is substantially worse.

2089
02:08:49.859 --> 02:08:54.119
Obviously, because it's me, I have brought an essay about this.

2090
02:08:54.180 --> 02:08:55.920
Oh, please, come on now.

2091
02:08:56.159 --> 02:08:58.619
So one time we get to talk to you.

2092
02:08:58.680 --> 02:08:59.039
Come on.

2093
02:08:59.100 --> 02:09:01.560
Using the hashtag today is trek.

2094
02:09:01.619 --> 02:09:06.479
Today's trek is DS9, series one, episode 10, move along home. which everyone thinks is shit.

2095
02:09:06.539 --> 02:09:08.039
So obviously isn't.

2096
02:09:08.159 --> 02:09:11.880
Is this DS9's biggest victim of a C fan wisdom?

2097
02:09:11.939 --> 02:09:12.659
I think so.

2098
02:09:12.779 --> 02:09:19.319
Sure, the episode pulls up no trees and can easily be considered mid-season filler, but fills the season very nicely, thank you.

2099
02:09:19.380 --> 02:09:24.420
Where was the Enterprise with Flight Renew World and have some fun with a new alien race before buggering off?

2100
02:09:24.479 --> 02:09:27.119
Yeah, we have the aliens fly through the wormhole to us.

2101
02:09:27.180 --> 02:09:33.899
Before buggering off, DS name will work better when these new races stick, but this is the format of trick at this time.

2102
02:09:34.079 --> 02:09:40.079
The central plot is perfectly fine with our main character stuck trying to find their way through the game.

2103
02:09:40.140 --> 02:09:47.939
It's city of the Excelon level puzzle solvent, but hey, there's only half an hour and we should be able to play or move along at home.

2104
02:09:48.000 --> 02:09:49.979
The final rug pull of.

2105
02:09:50.039 --> 02:09:55.859
Yeah, it was just a game, you knackers, is a perfectly smart way of getting your characters out of power without the need for a dais.

2106
02:09:55.920 --> 02:09:58.979
Not for the 1st time, the best funness we had around the main plot.

2107
02:09:59.100 --> 02:10:01.739
Great to see pre-eddington prim and back.

2108
02:10:01.859 --> 02:10:09.119
It would have been great for him to become assembly regular, but I suppose there's only so much of Odo shit you can take before you ask to be reassigned.

2109
02:10:09.180 --> 02:10:10.560
Is he in this one?

2110
02:10:10.619 --> 02:10:10.979
Priman.

2111
02:10:11.039 --> 02:10:12.000
Priming, yes.

2112
02:10:12.060 --> 02:10:13.319
Oh, he's such a prick.

2113
02:10:14.399 --> 02:10:20.760
The man who threatens to resign every time you question his ability goes to shit without the command crew.

2114
02:10:20.819 --> 02:10:22.859
This arrogance doesn't endear you to him.

2115
02:10:22.920 --> 02:10:27.239
I much prefer the sardonic, take no shit, defender of justice order of the earlier episodes.

2116
02:10:27.300 --> 02:10:28.859
They're still figuring him out.

2117
02:10:29.699 --> 02:10:34.140
Stand out seeing his quarks break down over having to pick a player to lose.

2118
02:10:34.199 --> 02:10:40.680
Quark is all scoundrel, liar, and a thief should be the comedy relief, but has a lot more depth than you expect at this stage.

2119
02:10:40.739 --> 02:10:43.680
He's unexpectedly one of the show's MVPs.

2120
02:10:43.979 --> 02:10:53.399
One of the reasons I enjoy this story is because it was the 1st DSD I saw tipped from Sky by Friend at school, it was enjoyable enough for me to watch more then and still is today.

2121
02:10:53.760 --> 02:10:55.199
Wow.

2122
02:10:55.260 --> 02:10:56.760
That's exciting.

2123
02:10:56.880 --> 02:10:58.020
Receives fan wisdom.

2124
02:10:58.079 --> 02:11:00.779
I'm going in with huge expectations now.

2125
02:11:03.119 --> 02:11:05.159
A la Marie.

2126
02:11:12.960 --> 02:11:20.340
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford, Nathan Bottomley, and special guest star, Fraser Gregory.

2127
02:11:20.399 --> 02:11:27.420
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

2128
02:11:27.479 --> 02:11:32.699
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lam.

2129
02:11:32.760 --> 02:11:39.060
This episode was recorded on the 17th of December 2024 and released on the 20th of December.

2130
02:11:39.119 --> 02:11:42.779
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9.

2131
02:11:42.840 --> 02:11:43.439
Move along home.

2132
02:11:58.500 --> 02:11:59.399
I think that's it.

2133
02:11:59.520 --> 02:12:00.479
Yeah, what is it there?

2134
02:12:00.539 --> 02:12:01.739
Oh, who chose that one?

2135
02:12:01.859 --> 02:12:02.579
Was it me?

2136
02:12:03.180 --> 02:12:05.760
I think it was me.

2137
02:12:05.760 --> 02:12:06.300
Me?

2138
02:12:06.359 --> 02:12:08.520
No, I don't think it was.

2139
02:12:09.300 --> 02:12:11.579
Okay, well then I should...

2140
02:12:11.579 --> 02:12:13.260
Give me a sec, give me a sec, give me a sec, give me a sec.

2141
02:12:13.319 --> 02:12:18.539
I can establish this for a fact.

2142
02:12:21.720 --> 02:12:26.279
I've got the I hope I did come across as like I was enjoying that movie.

2143
02:12:26.340 --> 02:12:27.180
No, you didn't.

2144
02:12:27.180 --> 02:12:28.920
Not just shit.

2145
02:12:28.979 --> 02:12:31.079
No, and there were things that needed to be said about it too.

2146
02:12:31.140 --> 02:12:32.520
Like, you know.

2147
02:12:32.699 --> 02:12:34.020
All right.

2148
02:12:37.380 --> 02:12:39.000
Oh, my God.

2149
02:12:39.060 --> 02:12:40.619
Is that us?

2150
02:12:44.100 --> 02:12:45.720
Oh, that's what we talking about.

2151
02:12:46.079 --> 02:12:49.199
Decides to do the weird dance as well.

2152
02:12:49.739 --> 02:12:52.500
That's a fighting, though, because going for it.

2153
02:12:52.560 --> 02:13:00.539
I don't know why so many time for good cheer and eggnog and a Star Trek movie.

2154
02:13:00.600 --> 02:13:07.020
And so that's what we're going to be picking this potentially terrible stuff.

2155
02:13:07.079 --> 02:13:08.819
Oh, I know, I know.

2156
02:13:08.939 --> 02:13:11.220
On average, they're mostly terrible.

2157
02:13:14.279 --> 02:13:15.720
I am going to speak one now.

2158
02:13:15.779 --> 02:13:17.460
Yeah, so it's your turn.

2159
02:13:17.520 --> 02:13:18.779
Oh, great.

2160
02:13:18.840 --> 02:13:19.020
Okay.

2161
02:13:19.079 --> 02:13:19.439
All right.

2162
02:13:19.560 --> 02:13:20.340
We did.

2163
02:13:20.340 --> 02:13:26.460
So what we did, we did absolute candid last week.

2164
02:13:27.720 --> 02:13:30.539
Just trying to see where we are.

2165
02:13:30.659 --> 02:13:39.720
So, We literally have, I, in episode nine.

2166
02:13:41.159 --> 02:13:44.819
To Paul, Garak.

2167
02:13:45.239 --> 02:13:47.100
Julian.

2168
02:13:47.760 --> 02:13:49.920
And Harry Kim.

2169
02:13:49.979 --> 02:13:51.119
Oh my god.

2170
02:13:51.180 --> 02:13:53.699
Oh, Garo, I will be so happy.

2171
02:13:53.760 --> 02:13:56.039
He's gone, it's used to go back to conventions.

2172
02:13:56.039 --> 02:14:00.300
Parallel universes and there's heaps of Harry Kimbs.

2173
02:14:00.479 --> 02:14:02.819
And they're all ensigns.

2174
02:14:03.600 --> 02:14:05.220
Which is the thing.

2175
02:14:05.340 --> 02:14:12.539
And Harry Kim does, like, Garrett does the most incredible cartoon character performance.

2176
02:14:12.600 --> 02:14:17.699
Like it's definitely Harry, but he's absolutely leaning into being a cartoon character.

2177
02:14:17.760 --> 02:14:18.539
It's wonderful.

2178
02:14:18.600 --> 02:14:19.439
He's really good.

2179
02:14:19.500 --> 02:14:20.939
He's so great.

2180
02:14:21.600 --> 02:14:23.460
But yeah, yeah.

2181
02:14:23.520 --> 02:14:27.060
Garak and Bashir are characters in it and it's a whole thing.

2182
02:14:27.359 --> 02:14:29.760
Chosen my series is.

2183
02:14:29.880 --> 02:14:31.199
Okay.

2184
02:14:31.260 --> 02:14:32.819
All right, okay.

2185
02:14:35.880 --> 02:14:38.399
Oh, you might have to help us here, Fraser, I think.

2186
02:14:38.460 --> 02:14:39.300
Okay.

2187
02:14:39.359 --> 02:14:43.319
So we might call on you if we don't know what it is or something.

2188
02:14:43.380 --> 02:14:46.560
Anyway, feel free to just participate in the conversation, just have to just be...

2189
02:14:46.619 --> 02:14:48.239
No, no, because I'm going to press the button a couple of times.

2190
02:14:48.300 --> 02:14:52.020
So I'm going to ask phrase what he thinks of each episode as we hear.

2191
02:14:52.140 --> 02:14:58.380
I'm going to get Wikipedia out so I can remain myself of which one it is. just remind us which one is because...

2192
02:14:58.380 --> 02:14:59.399
I do lots of cutting.

2193
02:14:59.460 --> 02:15:10.560
So obviously we can't edit when, yeah, when, when we're doing the film, but I cut the hell out of this, including all of this, where we go, I have no idea what the fuck that is.

2194
02:15:10.619 --> 02:15:12.960
Let's look that up, you know, like all of that.

2195
02:15:13.020 --> 02:15:14.640
I don't know if you've noticed.

2196
02:15:14.699 --> 02:15:17.399
I sound so smart at the beginning and the end of every episode.

2197
02:15:17.460 --> 02:15:21.359
For some reason, lose all my IQ in the middle or somewhere.

2198
02:15:22.319 --> 02:15:24.539
We all do that.

2199
02:15:24.600 --> 02:15:25.800
Okay.

2200
02:15:25.859 --> 02:15:27.600
So the power of editing.

2201
02:15:27.659 --> 02:15:30.000
All right, it's the end of the episode.