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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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And hey, Fraser.

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Hey, Nathan.

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So today, we are watching the 8th Star Trek film.

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It's Star Trek 1st contact, and it was released in 1996 in

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November here in Australia, and just a little bit later in

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December in the UK, which means it's a Christmas movie.

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Oh, fantastic.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So let's let's just start by saying what we think of it.

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I think that one of my jobs here is to have unusual opinions about

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a night in Sick Bay, which is, of course, excellent and Genesis

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and so on.

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How do you feel about this film, Fraser?

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Um, it's a tricky one this.

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I can never figure out, is it simply the best of the next

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generation films or is it the best of the films full stop?

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Oh, that's a high bar, Fraser.

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This and the Wrath of Korn are just up there at the top.

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On certain days, it'll be Rathicorn on certain days, it'll be be

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1st contact.

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I don't think I can work this highly enough, to be honest.

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It's absolutely fantastic.

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Yeah, I think I'm in a similar position.

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I think this might be the best Star Trek film.

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It is without a doubt, the best Star Trek, the Next Generation

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film. but it is entirely possible it's the best one or up.

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And I think that's sort of slightly boring.

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I feel that I'm coming at this with the midest possible opinion.

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Well, don't worry, I'm here to contradict both of you.

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I mean, I disagree with both of you, unfortunately.

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I do think this is a high bar next generation film, but overall

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that's a low bar.

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Because the other 3 are dismal in many ways.

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So this is the fact this stands out like a sore thumb just by

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being good is not high praise.

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I don't think it's as good as the best of the TOS movies.

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And I think there is one massive problem with this movie that I

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just can't get over.

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Is it Neelix?

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No, I'd rather I like it even for turning up in this.

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Yeah, without all that hideous latex slapped all over his face for

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once.

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I think that Paul, is this Ron Moore and Brannan Braga writing

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this?

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Um, no, it's it's Rick Berman, Branen Braga.

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Okay, maybe that's the problem then, because I don't think the

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pair of them can get out of the episodic TV mindset.

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And this, to me, feels like an extremely expensive, incredibly

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well executed, 2 part next generation episode, full of the colony

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planets, full of lots of scenes walking around the spaceship, full

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of the Borg, all these things that we normally get in our Star

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Trek, the next generation episodes, and it's great.

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I don't remember, it's really fun, but don't feel like a movie to

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me at all.

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Not in the way that 6 feels like a movie that we're spanning the

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universe, not like the way 5 felt like a movie where we're going

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somewhere batshit crazy with God.

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Not like 4 felt like a movie to me where we went back in time.

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And this, to me, it feels like an incredibly good Star Trek, the

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Next Generation episode.

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And I think that's a problem.

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Yeah, I mean, there are things about the Star Trek original series

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films like the amount of time that's passed since the show was on

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and just generally the bigger scale, the willingness to change the

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status quo that those films do.

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And the way that they kind of move off format as well, you know

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they lose the enterprise and all of that sort of thing.

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This is, I think, as you say, very, very much like an episode of

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Star Trek, the Next Generation, but I think, I think the stakes

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are higher, and I think it just looks so amazing.

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Yeah, I mean, there's £40000000 in it.

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It's a Star Trek the Next Generation episode with £40000000 spent

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on it.

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You know, like, of course, it looks amazing.

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But it doesn't really have much ambition beyond going back in time

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and doing your standard Star Trek episode and running around the

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ship firing a Borg like your standard Star Trek episode.

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And that's not a bad thing because we like standard Star Trek

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episodes. it is a movie.

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It is a movie.

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I remember seeing this at the pictures.

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I remember back in December of 1986 going to see this.

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It was the 2nd Star Trek film I managed to see at the cinema, the

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1st billion generations.

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And it was a fantastic film.

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I went to see it twice.

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I don't often go and see films twice, but I made a point of I have

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to go back and see this again.

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It felt very much like a new start for the franchise as it were.

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You had the show, the show ended, you got to fill them out of it.

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The generation's very much is a Star Trek episode, but with a

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bigger budget, and this felt completely fresh and new and exciting

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new uniforms, new ship, there was a bigger sense of scale to it.

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There was a different sort of soundtrack to it.

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The structure of it is very much a film.

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I'm going to completely disagree that this feels like a two-parter

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because it has no flab in it whatsoever.

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From the very 1st scene we are in it to the action.

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The plot kicks off and it doesn't stop going.

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You go straight through, you go back in time, you go to planet

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Earth, and then you have your Airplot and your B plot is very

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filmic, and I'm still waiting for you to tell me anything this

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film has done that's completely original and ambitious in creative

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terms.

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It's it's not.

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So here's what I think.

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Here's what I think, is that it takes a big hole in the Star Trek

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law, and it's an important moment in Earth's history that we've

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never been asked to wonder or speculate about.

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We know nothing at all about it.

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And so even though the B plot, and let's call it the B plot, even

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though it actually gets the title of the film.

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The B plot on earth was Zefraim Cochrane and Geordie and Riker and

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all of that sort of thing, where it's made clear that Watts at

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stake is the very existence of Star Trek itself.

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And so it has a bigger scale in Star Trek, the Next Generation

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because in a sense, what happens if we don't win is there's no

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Star Trek.

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And the thing that I always say about Birmingham Braga is that

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they showed no real apparent interest in the politics of Star

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Trek.

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But here, the politics of Star Trek are right in the centre.

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And what's at risk is that fantastic socialist utopia where

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there's no money, no poverty, no disease, no war.

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In 50 years time, that's going to happen.

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Um, and there's that moment at the end where, where Picard says to

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Lily, I'm really excited for you.

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I envy you because of what you're about to go through and what

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you're about to experience.

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And so like what you're about to experience is enterprise, so it's

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not that great.

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But essentially, that's what I think gives it a bigger scale than

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a normal Star Trek episode.

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It's not the, you know, the future of the federation that's at

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risk.

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It's the federation and its ideas themselves.

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And I think that's huge and it's not at all what I expect from

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those two.

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I said to you in the chat that one of my issues with this movie

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was that I did really like this movie.

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I want to make that clear.

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I just think it would be very boring of the 3 of us city of 2

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hours saying this movie is amazing.

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It's Christmas.

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I'm going to be the Christmas Grinch, Star Trek Christmas Grinch.

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One of my issues is I'm washing it now and I'm not watching it

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when it came out, because when it came out, it blew my mind

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especially visually.

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Now I'm watching it.

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I've seen the 1st contact plot done about 15 other times in

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various Star Trek episodes.

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I've also seen DS9 do, you know, creatively ambitious things that

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far supersede this movie and I've seen Kurtzman Trek do things

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that far supersede that.

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So this all feels a little Pat now compared to how it would have

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done then.

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And that is kind of a problem when you come back to things, right?

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You can't really put yourself back into the mindset of when you

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were, when did this come out?

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95?

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What was I, 15?

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96.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 16 years old.

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And so, and, and, and, you know what?

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I'm going to be positive.

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So I'm going to shove in my last issue now.

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It's just the Borg.

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I'm so bored of the Borg, and that's not a 1996 problem.

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That is a 2024 problem. in that Voyager just ekes the Bork to

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death and then they came back again in Kurtzman trick and that was

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a bit tedious.

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And I'm just so bored of them now.

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Like, what, there's, there really is nothing particularly exciting

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about the ball beyond best of both worlds.

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And after that, in terms of imagination, it just deflates like a

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balloon, you know, we can't really do much else with them.

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The thing that works with the Bork here is obviously they've just

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got the money to blow up the shit spectacularly and have amazing

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action sequences with them and they are very, very, very cool.

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But I'm a bit Borg fatigued.

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So I did watch this going, well, that was fun, but it was the

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Borg.

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I think the interesting thing that they do with the Bork here, Joe

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is the queen.

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They're bringing the queen.

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Yeah, but they've done the queen load since.

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That's another 2020.

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Oh my word. back in time.

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Come on, let's go back in time. watching this now with you.

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Let's go through that Chroniton tunnel, follow the sphere. back in

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time and let's just enjoy something new.

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This is another thing, you know, the, we had the Borg in next

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generation.

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We come in DS9 before we had them in Voyager really as well.

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We got a sort of fresh injection into the Borg, taken away from

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just, you know, faceless sort of cybermen, give them a bit of

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character, and funnel that couch into one specific character, this

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sort of paradox as you were of the collective hive mind being one

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individual.

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And that really works.

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You can see why Voyager wanted to do more with this character, why

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they wanted to bring her back Italy, though.

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Badly.

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Yeah, but we're not talking for you, Joe, we're talking for his

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contact.

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It's really good.

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It's great.

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Yay.

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That's good.

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I have some reservations about the poor queen and I can just about

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forgive her because the Borg queen that we saw in Picard series 2

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was so fantastic.

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Like absolutely brilliant.

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I liked the Borg when they couldn't be understood or reasoned

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with.

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And you lose something.

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What do you gain as Alice Krieg?

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And she's awesome, and those scenes with her and data, and those

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scenes with her bicard are just tremendous.

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Like I can see why they did it, but you do lose something, you

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know, where the Borg is just that collective voice that you hear

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earlier.

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And remember when they would appear on the, on the viewscreen in

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in best of both worlds and things, where all you would see is just

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the ship, because there's no one talking to you because everyone's

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talking to you.

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You know, they're implacable and incomprehensible, whereas you've

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got sort of sexy Alice Krieg, who's sort of a bit moist and has

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brought her breasts with her, and, you know, like, that's all

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great.

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Like, I'm absolutely on board with that, but it's, it's a little

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bit less interesting, I think, than the original conception.

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Very confusing, you know, because I've been listening to quite a

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few big finishes lately with Alice Krieg in them.

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She's one of their staple actors now.

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So here in the Ball Queen and Tom Baker, because she does sort of

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the same voice, some of her roles.

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My god, it's like clash off the clash of the series, you know, it's

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very confusing.

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Well, I think we should probably go in.

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I mean, I have been a bit a bit rude at the start of this episode

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but I do want to say it's a really good movie.

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It's super fun to watch and most of the issues are mine rather

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than the movie's problems.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I have to say that I agree with you about the scale

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thing.

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Like, that isn't something that had occurred to me.

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And, you know, when we talk about Enterprise Series 4 and how we

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like it because it changes the status quo, and that's a thing that

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the Star Trek films do. you know, Kirk's getting older and and

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things change, is an admiral. and then, you know, this is just a

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couple of years after Star Trek, the next generation ended.

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And so it's still the status quo, even though he blew up the ship

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last time, you know, he's the ship back in a thrilling new form.

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But given that that's not what they wanted to do, and given that

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that, you know, they're just coming back only a few years after

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the show finished, I think this is a pretty astoundingly great

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piece of work, and it vastly surpasses most of what they did when

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they were writing for the show.

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It's like the voyage home of Next Generation, isn't it?

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I think it's the TNG movie that anyone can watch.

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Yeah.

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I'll talk a little bit about that because I do think that that's

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one of the things that is the movie's job.

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And I think that Star Trek generation failed terribly at the job

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of being for normal people to go to the cinema and watch, whereas

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this absolutely nailed it.

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Fraser, Fraser is a problem, you know, because we've done the

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voyage home and 1st contact back to back last year and this year

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where he hadn't got many good movies left.

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Oh, we've got loads of good movies left.

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We're just talking about.

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I'm going to shout out now letting you talk because you're going

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to be much nicer than me.

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All right.

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Well, in that case, I think we'll go in.

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So I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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This opening credits thing is very boring, isn't it?

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Oh.

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I thought it was to.

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The problem you've got is you listen to it without the sound

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because, I mean, I put this on to check the subtitles before we

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recorded and I didn't turn it off because you get the little

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Paramount mountain and you get the do-do-do.

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You get the, and then you get the best soundtrack out of an entire

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Star Trek film kicking in.

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It's one theme.

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Well, take your word for it.

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I can't hear it right now.

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Exactly.

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That's what I'm saying.

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The problem we can't hear.

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We should all probably just turn the volume up and shut up for 2

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minutes.

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That, this, this theme, I absolutely do.

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I stand and do my dishes, listen to this music.

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I'll walk the dog and I'll listen to this music because I just

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absolutely adore it.

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I think that, you know, credits we don't get credits anymore.

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Do it in films, we don't get opening credits.

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We just go straight in.

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I just love it.

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The, the, the, the names just appear in, out of the fog, as it

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were, backing off and then, you know, we'll eventually go into

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Picard's eye, which is a bit grimmer.

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But yeah, I love it.

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I mean, in generations, they did that bottle flying through space

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you remember?

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Which is slowly.

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And then eventually smashed into the spaceship.

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So there was a bit of visual invention.

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This is just a load of names.

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Oh, but what means?

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It is literally only the names.

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And look, I think the music is really great, and I can see why

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they went for it in Picard series 3, although I was a little bit

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sorry, to lose the original, the original soundtrack, but I mean

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this is better than the Star Trek, the Next Generation theme, and

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maybe this is the music that we remember them by.

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It could have been much worse than the next generation.

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It's terrible.

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But, but this is just the names out of focus coming into focus and

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they'll be in front of the next name that's out of focus.

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I bet he's completely open at the end of... undiscovered...

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No, no.

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No, that's wonderful.

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I love that.

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It's wonderful.

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Isn't that signing off though, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. terrific. great.

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But I think the problem is that normally you do a spa, you know

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like you do a uh, um, a starfield, don't you?

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You go through a starfield, and we, you know, we kind of did a

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joke where we didn't know whether it was a massive, you know

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whether it was Viga, and it turns out it was a bottle of Dom

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Perignon, you know, and that was kind of a visual gag, and I

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thought that worked kind of well.

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But what do you do here?

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You can't, you want to open up in the most intimate way possible

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on Picard's eye.

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So you've got nothing.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And so we get this shot of his eye.

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And this incredible opening, Sean.

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So good.

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Oh, look, God, I forgot who wore the old uniform, just for a 2nd

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yeah.

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Yeah, well.

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Attention to detail.

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Well done, Jonathan Frakes.

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There's your skill, Joe. Look at that.

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It's visual scale.

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It's not creative scale.

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That's what I'm saying.

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And I think it's really brilliant too, the way that the, the, the

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his iris and pupil keep being repeated as we go through these

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various circulular elements as well.

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You know, as it pulls back.

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We get more and more circles and stuff, even though it's this sort

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of Borg thing.

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Nathan, compare this to those scenes we had going around the ball

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Cuban Scorpion.

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Do you remember those ones?

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I mean, it's so confusing to see next generation lit this well

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isn't it?

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Have you, have you thought about what the, what the Borg looked

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like in Q Haku, where they're just kind of like punchy people in

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onesies with a, like, you know, like with a few tubes?

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those ones.

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They're a bit like the 1st side men, aren't they?

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You know, sort of cobbled together.

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See, that's what's happening here too.

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They're being reimagined and they're using a lot of the designed

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elements from alien, aliens in particular, I think.

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Oh, this. is so good.

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Wow.

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Um, Yeah, yeah, and that's a new thing that they're doing because

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they weren't like zombies.

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Like they weren't like mottled necrotic dead bodies or anything.

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They were just guys with white makeup.

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Don't you tell me, Fraser Gregory, they say, like a next

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generation episode.

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Look, there's stock admiral number 5 just beaming into the dance

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squad.

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I'm just sitting thinking, I wish I had a ready room at work.

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I could have a napping.

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Oh, man.

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Why is he napping?

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you've got a bridge.

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I'm off for a nana.

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He's become like Cassandra now, hasn't he?

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I know the Borg.

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Theirs were 1st bit of starship porn on there.

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Yeah, that is cool.

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And it's a gorgeous movie.

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They also say a stunning ship. $40 million.

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It's a lot of money.

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It might be a good looking movie.

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Wow.

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Look at that nebula as well.

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Now the little ships are back in the in the observation lounge

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will come back to yours.

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In fact, the observation now looks smaller than it did in the old

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next generation episodes.

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It's funny, but the bridge is substantially smaller, and we've

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spoken before about how stupid the Star Trek the Next Generation

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bridge is because it's got all that space for the cameras to kind

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of move around.

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How Darwin looks like in long shot.

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They don't have to do those shots from the front now trying to get

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everybody into shot, you know?

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Although we do know a bit of that.

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Oh, there's so much handheld in this, though.

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Oh it's fabulous.

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Yeah.

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So one thing that's true is that one thing that you don't realise

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as you're watching it is that Starfleet Commander completely right

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about keeping him away because he's a nutcase and he behaves like

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an absolute, you know, it's only thanks to Lily, who kind of talks

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him down from being Captain Ahab.

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And so it turns out they were right to keep him away.

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This is beautiful.

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In his defence, he does save the entire rest of the fleet once he

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gets there.

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Yeah, that's true. in his favour, you know, in the debriefing

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afterwards.

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Yeah, so yeah, you disappeared your order, but you did save the

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planet Earth.

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We'll just bust you down to Lieutenant Commander, whatever.

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You know, when the Enterprise just sort of zoomed into shot there

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for a second.

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I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that this morning when I was

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watching this, I said to my Mark, oh, what shit's that?

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And then I realised that was the enterprise.

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I thought there was a fleet coming along and the ball were

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engaging straight away.

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I'm so used to that enormous saucer, you know, on the Enterprise D

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's a beautiful ship, though.

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The sovereign class enterprise E, it really is amazing.

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Yeah, I mean, that old one was a bizarre design, wasn't it?

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Top heavy.

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With the tiny little legs, you know.

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Well, it's always a little bit.

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Yeah, it was very top heavy, wasn't it?

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Like it was the big, big.

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Like some of those shots from below where it looked very bizarre.

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It's, they don't surprise deeds, like someone got the enterprise

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and stood on it.

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Squish.

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Can I say something hugely positive about this movie?

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Go on.

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I think all of the interactions between the Enterprise crew, all

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of the banter, all of it works like gangbusters, the chokes land

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the chemistry is there, like, it's like after, they've got

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generations out of their system now, all that all, Picard, you

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know, angsty getting news about his family died, all that

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bullshit's out of the way.

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Now we're going to have an adventure and they're all up for it.

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But they don't lose the angsty bits.

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There's still so much character for Picard to explore with Picard

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and to explore with data.

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I mean, obviously the probably the biggest flaw with this film is

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that because you were concentrating on 2 characters, the others

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get a little bit of a shorter shrift, so, you know, poor Beverly

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poor DNA.

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I don't think that's a problem, Frank.

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They have their own idea of strength.

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They have their moments in the really enjoyable moments, but, you

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know, obviously for reasons they have to be sideline a little

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bit.

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I felt so sorry for Beverly.

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She's in like, you know, she gets one major scene and she's

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upstaged by Robert Picardo.

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Yeah, that's normal, trying to avoid.

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I think I think that because this has to do the job of being a

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Star Trek film that other people can watch that's centring on the

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2 breakout character, like the breakout character and the central

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character is the right choice.

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And in fact, by having a tiny guest cast, they actually do give

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the crew quite a lot to do.

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And that might feed into Joe's feeling that it feels like an

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extended Star Trek episode because there are so few guest actors

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you know, there's not lots of admirals and things.

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There's not lots of proud scenes.

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There's not, well, there's in the holodeck, but it is just

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focussing on our characters, which is kind of why we're here.

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I mean, that is a massive strength of the movie because I think

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James Cromwell and please say the name for me before I say it.

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Arfrey Woodard. you very much.

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They're both exceptionally good and but like a really good Next

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Generation 2 barter.

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They will bring in a great actor to play a really vivid role.

498
00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:58.200
It'd often be James Cromwell actually.

499
00:23:58.259 --> 00:24:01.259
It does mean we get less Dr. Beverly as a result, though.

500
00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:05.400
The most impressive thing about the new enterprise is how quick it

501
00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:05.819
travels.

502
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:08.759
It does travel at the speed of plot. and gets from the...

503
00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:13.619
Why did they stop doing fireworks on models?

504
00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:15.059
I mean, look at them.

505
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:17.039
No, they're mad.

506
00:24:17.099 --> 00:24:17.880
There he is.

507
00:24:17.940 --> 00:24:19.559
Yeah, he comes.

508
00:24:19.619 --> 00:24:20.039
Yeah.

509
00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:21.480
It's off.

510
00:24:21.539 --> 00:24:23.220
And I'm a bit of a show.

511
00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:24.240
The Defiant.

512
00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:27.599
I love that little sting of the Klingon theme into the music as

513
00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:27.779
well.

514
00:24:27.900 --> 00:24:28.500
Yes.

515
00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:34.079
So the guy in the front, that's actually Adam Scott, who is Trevor

516
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:35.160
in the Good Place.

517
00:24:35.220 --> 00:24:36.660
He's the demon in the good place.

518
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:37.980
Is he?

519
00:24:37.980 --> 00:24:40.740
And he's the lead in severance on Apple TV.

520
00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:44.279
And of course, obviously this is nearly 20 years ago, so he's much

521
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:48.359
younger and prezier than he is now.

522
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:49.440
Trevor was great, though.

523
00:24:49.500 --> 00:24:50.880
I know, just terrific.

524
00:24:50.940 --> 00:24:51.720
He's really good.

525
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:56.940
I must say that in a minute when this Borg ship blows, it is the

526
00:24:56.940 --> 00:24:59.460
best explosion in Star Trek of all time.

527
00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:03.779
You'll be pleased to hear the admiral just got killed by the way.

528
00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:07.619
Is that stock admiral number five?

529
00:25:07.619 --> 00:25:08.700
That's right.

530
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:12.839
I mean, the admiral come Nemesis is Janeway, isn't it?

531
00:25:12.900 --> 00:25:14.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

532
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:20.099
No, but I mean, they got the money so they can do bull sort of war

533
00:25:20.099 --> 00:25:21.240
action here, can't they?

534
00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:23.700
And not a rock inside it.

535
00:25:25.019 --> 00:25:28.019
So we'll talk about the rocks later.

536
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:33.359
Um, So, one of the, one of the things that I think is incredibly

537
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:38.460
good here is that the plot is understandable by a normal person

538
00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:43.019
it's, we have to make sure that this rocket launches, and we get

539
00:25:43.019 --> 00:25:48.599
to that point how quickly, like maybe 15 minutes in, everything is

540
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:52.920
set up, and the, the, your speed of plot remarked before, Fraser

541
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.240
it's just incredibly quick.

542
00:25:54.299 --> 00:25:56.279
We have this introductory thing.

543
00:25:56.339 --> 00:26:01.259
We meet wharf, we're off to the battle, we've pursue the Borg

544
00:26:01.259 --> 00:26:05.160
sphere, down the thing, we discover what's at stake, and now we're

545
00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:05.640
ready to go.

546
00:26:05.700 --> 00:26:06.900
It's really quick.

547
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:10.799
I mean, we're 12 minutes in and I think a lot of the butcher's

548
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:11.279
been spent already.

549
00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:12.299
There's your two.

550
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:13.319
You're right.

551
00:26:13.380 --> 00:26:18.240
But I will say, though, I did notice then, once we go back in time

552
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:22.859
that the pace just crawls for about 20 minutes and it's not until

553
00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:24.240
the Borg starts.

554
00:26:24.299 --> 00:26:25.980
So that's an odd way to pay some movie.

555
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:27.180
Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

556
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:30.480
Nothing happens for 20 minutes and then the action starts again.

557
00:26:30.539 --> 00:26:33.839
I was like, it's, it's, it's getting you in.

558
00:26:33.900 --> 00:26:36.359
It gets, like I said, the plot starts from that very 1st scene.

559
00:26:36.420 --> 00:26:38.819
Picard wakes up and the plot is instantly kicked off.

560
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.059
We get to this point, we're 15 minutes in, you get to plant earth

561
00:26:42.059 --> 00:26:45.660
and then you build a bit of suspense, you have the chance to kind

562
00:26:45.660 --> 00:26:50.099
of go, okay, that's, That's the start then.

563
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:52.619
We'll just cool with jets a little bit because we can't keep this

564
00:26:52.619 --> 00:26:53.759
pace going indefinitely.

565
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:54.539
We ran out of money.

566
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:55.500
We've just blown it all up.

567
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:57.059
We'll just slow it down a bit.

568
00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:59.880
We'll build a bit of suspense and then we will start building it

569
00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:01.200
up and we'll take it forward from there.

570
00:27:01.259 --> 00:27:03.119
40000000 Fraser.

571
00:27:03.180 --> 00:27:04.680
They've got 4000000 to spend.

572
00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:07.200
But we want to spend time with the characters talking.

573
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:12.119
We don't want all to wall to wall explosions. would be a problem.

574
00:27:12.180 --> 00:27:15.240
I want to see the scene on the ball ship. you know, when they know

575
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:17.940
the ship's going to blow and they're like, 0 my god, we need a

576
00:27:17.940 --> 00:27:20.160
plan B, quick, send the sphere out.

577
00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:23.880
They make that decision very quickly, don't they?

578
00:27:23.940 --> 00:27:25.380
But, you know, they're good improvisers.

579
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:27.480
Essentially, this is dieholding space.

580
00:27:27.539 --> 00:27:28.740
It turns into diehard in space.

581
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.440
And even diehard has moments where John McLean has to stop and

582
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:36.240
talk to O. No, but Fraser, I mean, I have to say, they did do Die

583
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:39.539
Hard in space as a next generation episode in Starship Mine.

584
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:44.579
They reference here, I think, at the end in the final scene. anyone

585
00:27:44.579 --> 00:27:46.259
wants to do die hard since.

586
00:27:46.380 --> 00:27:48.480
It looks more impressive here.

587
00:27:48.539 --> 00:27:53.700
That's just Picard going around in a tank top. which is pretty

588
00:27:53.700 --> 00:27:53.880
great.

589
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:57.420
I mean, he goes, he's been working out, isn't he?

590
00:27:57.480 --> 00:27:59.220
Because he takes all of his gear off in this.

591
00:27:59.279 --> 00:27:59.940
Yep, yeah.

592
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:04.559
Yeah, see all of this stuff, you know, the temporal wake, all of

593
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:07.140
that sort of stupid techno babble, which has just needed to make

594
00:28:07.140 --> 00:28:10.200
the plot happen, needed to kind of answer our questions.

595
00:28:10.259 --> 00:28:11.579
It's perfect, you know?

596
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:16.079
And so there's the mission statement at 13 minutes and 49 seconds

597
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:19.259
you know, we've got to go back and repair the damage that they've

598
00:28:19.259 --> 00:28:19.680
caused.

599
00:28:19.740 --> 00:28:20.400
It's perfect.

600
00:28:20.460 --> 00:28:22.259
I'll tell you what is perfect.

601
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:26.279
You know, in, um, what's the movie Galaxy Quest, where Sigourney

602
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:28.680
Weaver's character goes, look, I've got one thing to do on this

603
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:29.099
show.

604
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:29.880
All right?

605
00:28:29.940 --> 00:28:33.539
I say the exposition bits and I'm gonna do it.

606
00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:36.839
So Beverly Crusher just came in there a minute ago and went, oh

607
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:38.940
we've got a patient here that needs to see you, captain.

608
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:42.359
I was like, she's literally the Sigourney weepy character in this

609
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:43.259
movie, isn't she?

610
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:44.099
Bless her.

611
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:48.480
She gets to go down to the, like she goes down 1st, doesn't she?

612
00:28:48.539 --> 00:28:52.140
It's her and Picard and they end up back on board the ship

613
00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:55.619
eventually, but so she gets a bit of a go.

614
00:28:55.740 --> 00:28:59.819
This is the most expensive stock colony set we've ever seen.

615
00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:03.059
It's clearly on location, isn't it?

616
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.900
They've built all these buildings on location and I think it works

617
00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:07.559
really well.

618
00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:11.880
It's like a small village in Montana and...

619
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:14.519
It looks like a small village in Montana.

620
00:29:14.579 --> 00:29:15.359
It does.

621
00:29:15.420 --> 00:29:16.380
It's 2063.

622
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:17.700
Is that right?

623
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:20.940
It doesn't look like they've just went out the studios in

624
00:29:20.940 --> 00:29:22.740
California to the hills.

625
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.319
I do promise. last time.

626
00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:29.700
It is the last time I'm going to say this, but $40000000 guys.

627
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.240
It better fucking not look like I've just gone out in somewhere in

628
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:38.160
Montana. $40000000 in 1996. is not a huge budget.

629
00:29:38.220 --> 00:29:39.420
You know what I mean?

630
00:29:39.420 --> 00:29:42.359
It's more than your standard Star Trek...

631
00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:46.500
But it's on, it's on screen, like that money is all on screen.

632
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:47.880
They do a really good job with it.

633
00:29:47.940 --> 00:29:50.339
They've got James Cromwell in, of course, it's on the screen.

634
00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:53.039
Didn't they only have something like 4 Borg costumes?

635
00:29:53.099 --> 00:29:54.359
Oh really?

636
00:29:54.420 --> 00:29:55.440
Yeah, yeah.

637
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:57.180
CGI'd all the rest.

638
00:29:57.299 --> 00:29:57.839
Yeah, yeah.

639
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:01.740
The senior company later where it's like, the door goes up and you

640
00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:02.400
just see the laser.

641
00:30:02.460 --> 00:30:03.359
That's all CGI.

642
00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:08.940
All the rest is just the same 4 or 5 or 6 costumes re, you know

643
00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:09.720
repurposed.

644
00:30:09.779 --> 00:30:12.900
So obviously, you know, you just move a bit of, you know, techno

645
00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:17.279
around your your wetsuit and, you know, you just make them look

646
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:21.779
different, but they are just, you know, compared with generations

647
00:30:21.779 --> 00:30:26.519
where they were dressing, um, Jonathan Frakes in, maybe books as

648
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:31.799
um, DS9 uniform, and obviously, you know, that he comes up to his

649
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:33.779
now you are talking, Fraser Gregory.

650
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:39.660
You know, it's a lot it's a lot more professional in that

651
00:30:39.660 --> 00:30:39.960
respect.

652
00:30:40.019 --> 00:30:43.559
Can we just imagine, let's take what Fraser just said there for a

653
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:47.160
2nd and imagine Avery Brooks at the end of this film with his gear

654
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.319
off, fighting the Hawk in all tunnels.

655
00:30:49.380 --> 00:30:52.980
I mean, it would automatically be the best Star Trek we're walking

656
00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:53.220
over.

657
00:30:53.339 --> 00:30:56.039
Well, I'm thinking about everybody's naked.

658
00:30:56.099 --> 00:30:56.579
Come on now.

659
00:30:56.940 --> 00:30:58.920
What's more important?

660
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.819
I've got to say, though, you know, you know when they do have all

661
00:31:02.819 --> 00:31:04.019
those balls on the ship later?

662
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:06.299
Yeah, all those 100s of balls.

663
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.700
I mean, I think that was my favourite part of the whole movie.

664
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:11.940
Those middle sections where they were just doing running around

665
00:31:11.940 --> 00:31:15.480
the corridors and killing loads of people, like a standard Star

666
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:17.940
Trek episode, but done really, really well.

667
00:31:18.299 --> 00:31:20.940
See, my favourite bit.

668
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.700
I think is down on the planet where they're helping get the

669
00:31:23.700 --> 00:31:25.140
Phoenix launched.

670
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:25.920
I really like that.

671
00:31:25.980 --> 00:31:28.200
Of course it is.

672
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:28.799
I know why.

673
00:31:28.859 --> 00:31:30.000
I know why.

674
00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:33.420
We're gonna have words about that scene, all right?

675
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.240
Fraser, can I ask you, please?

676
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:43.019
Oh, for all of these Next Generation, because I don't get to talk

677
00:31:43.019 --> 00:31:44.700
to you about Next Generation, ever.

678
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:46.259
Who's your favourites?

679
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:47.339
Um.

680
00:31:47.339 --> 00:31:48.839
Ah.

681
00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:50.640
That's tricky.

682
00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:51.000
I mean.

683
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.779
They've all got something going for them, haven't they, really?

684
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:55.980
Well, most of them.

685
00:31:56.099 --> 00:31:56.880
Dr. Bev?

686
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.400
I wouldn't say she was my favourite.

687
00:31:59.460 --> 00:32:03.720
I think I've always liked Geordie, to be honest, because I am a

688
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:06.599
Geordie and we don't have to.

689
00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:10.440
But, you know, I mean, I like techno babble.

690
00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:13.740
I know you don't like, like it, but you know, it just, I think

691
00:32:13.740 --> 00:32:18.240
what the, sort of the next generation onwards really got right was

692
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:22.440
the technobabble and how, although it is just all, you know, fluff

693
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:23.460
and bobbins.

694
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:25.200
It doesn't actually sound fluff and bobbins.

695
00:32:25.259 --> 00:32:28.380
It actually sounds like it could actually be, you know, 200 years

696
00:32:28.380 --> 00:32:30.480
from now actually true. you know, when you're talking about things

697
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.839
like chroniton particles and waves and temporal fields and

698
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:34.259
whatnot.

699
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.900
It sounds, it isn't, but it sounds legit.

700
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:41.220
So, you know, data, Geordie characters, I get to do that.

701
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:44.460
Boy, I want to talk about it. wharf.

702
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:45.420
Of course, it's wharf.

703
00:32:46.019 --> 00:32:49.799
There's double-hour bastard going around, slashing everyone with

704
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.920
knives and whatnot, and then pops up on DS9 to give that a little

705
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.500
bit of a even more of a lift than it already had.

706
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:59.099
Nathan, I was just thinking, maybe we should bring in Fraser

707
00:32:59.099 --> 00:33:01.140
freelance, as a techno-babble trials later.

708
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:02.039
We do these episodes.

709
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.799
We don't have a clue what they're talking about.

710
00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:06.900
Just send us the script on, explain what it is.

711
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:10.380
I mean, the great thing is, of course, that you've got LeVar doing

712
00:33:10.380 --> 00:33:12.660
most of the techno Babylon, he's fucking brilliant at it.

713
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:14.700
Wow, he's beautiful as well.

714
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.319
Yes, be honest.

715
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:17.039
Those lips.

716
00:33:17.099 --> 00:33:22.740
So he's Alfred Woodard, who is fresh from her guest appearance in

717
00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:24.839
Star Trek lower decks last week.

718
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

719
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:30.960
What, the actress?

720
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:32.460
Or just...

721
00:33:32.579 --> 00:33:33.480
No playing Lily.

722
00:33:33.539 --> 00:33:34.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

723
00:33:34.259 --> 00:33:35.220
Oh, come on.

724
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.019
I love that shower.

725
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.119
Does she have a machine gun?

726
00:33:39.180 --> 00:33:40.859
She doesn't have a machine gun.

727
00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:42.539
No, she doesn't have a machine gun.

728
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:43.440
She is pretty great.

729
00:33:43.500 --> 00:33:46.559
There are quite a lot of guest actors and I'm not going to spoil

730
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.500
it for you, but there are quite a lot of guest actors.

731
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:51.539
Was that a last episode?

732
00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:52.680
The 2nd last episode.

733
00:33:52.740 --> 00:33:55.079
Oh, they're going for it, are they?

734
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:56.339
They are going through it.

735
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:56.940
Yeah.

736
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:57.480
Yeah.

737
00:33:57.539 --> 00:33:58.740
And she was wonderful in it.

738
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:00.900
Like it was terrific to see her back.

739
00:34:01.740 --> 00:34:04.619
Oh, look, here's Beverly Crusher now.

740
00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:07.140
She's medical babble.

741
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:08.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

742
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.739
I mean, I've got to say her hair's never looked better.

743
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:12.360
Look at him. looks fabulous. looks great.

744
00:34:12.420 --> 00:34:13.440
It does look great.

745
00:34:13.500 --> 00:34:17.940
And here, again, we think that Beverly is good when she knows what

746
00:34:17.940 --> 00:34:22.619
she's saying when the when the actor knows what the scene is

747
00:34:22.619 --> 00:34:22.920
about.

748
00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:26.460
And so she's terrible with technobabble, but she's really good

749
00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:27.300
with this stuff.

750
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:28.139
And I loved her.

751
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:29.820
Yes, I'll keep her unconscious.

752
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.260
I know about the prime directive.

753
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:32.639
It'll be fine, you know.

754
00:34:32.699 --> 00:34:34.739
Sure talk, John. do my job.

755
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:35.579
Go on.

756
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.139
That's why that bit where she says to the medical hologram, you

757
00:34:40.139 --> 00:34:40.380
know.

758
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:41.340
Make something up.

759
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:42.000
Just distract them.

760
00:34:42.059 --> 00:34:45.420
Do it, Jan. Actually, she's convincing in that bit.

761
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:46.980
It's wonderful.

762
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:49.199
All of that bowling in the background.

763
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:53.340
They've got so much money.

764
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.860
They could afford to make up a bone ear.

765
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:01.739
I'm not sure. can't remember I think it's about 30000000 in the

766
00:35:01.739 --> 00:35:02.280
translation.

767
00:35:02.340 --> 00:35:03.780
You could do with an extra 10, I think.

768
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:04.679
Yeah.

769
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:06.300
This is great though.

770
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:07.920
I mean, is that it?

771
00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:09.360
Is the rocket a set?

772
00:35:09.420 --> 00:35:11.699
It's incredible. they build a rocket?

773
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.579
I mean, this is 1996 when we're...

774
00:35:14.579 --> 00:35:17.099
We are not at the point of CJ and everything.

775
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:18.780
This is, you know, CJ is starting.

776
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:21.539
It's coming. is amazing.

777
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:25.019
In fact, when you look at the rocket from above, it looks like a

778
00:35:25.019 --> 00:35:29.940
Star Trek prop, it has that sort of matte sheen thing, you

779
00:35:29.940 --> 00:35:32.820
remember the stupid rocket in Star Trek generations that

780
00:35:32.820 --> 00:35:35.639
McDowell's firing at Viridian for?

781
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.139
Oh, it looks so cheap.

782
00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:41.880
It looks like the walls of, it looks like a panel on Deep Space

783
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:42.360
9.

784
00:35:42.420 --> 00:35:43.079
Do you know what I mean?

785
00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:44.280
It's that not this.

786
00:35:44.340 --> 00:35:47.219
Like this scene where it looks, it looks shiny.

787
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:48.659
There's a reflective surface there.

788
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:51.480
But otherwise it looks a bit crap.

789
00:35:51.539 --> 00:35:56.460
But this, I think, is where Braga and Berman get the idea for what

790
00:35:56.460 --> 00:36:00.480
the look of enterprise is going to be because...

791
00:36:00.539 --> 00:36:02.639
Enterprise is a sequel to this.

792
00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:06.900
It's not a prequel to Star Trek, any of the other Star Trek we've

793
00:36:06.900 --> 00:36:07.079
had.

794
00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:08.579
It's a sequel to this.

795
00:36:08.699 --> 00:36:14.460
It's set just, you know, decades afterwards or, you know, 90, 80

796
00:36:14.460 --> 00:36:15.239
years afterwards.

797
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.579
Look at Marina. 4 of that.

798
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:18.719
I never thought of that.

799
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:23.280
Actually, the success of this movie could be wild.

800
00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:25.440
It was quite a catalyst of Enterprise.

801
00:36:25.500 --> 00:36:25.739
Yeah.

802
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:29.039
Isn't Marina just killing it?

803
00:36:29.099 --> 00:36:29.940
She's so good.

804
00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:31.920
I mean she's relaxed.

805
00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:34.260
It's refreshing It's wonderful.

806
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:35.760
She's so great in this film.

807
00:36:35.820 --> 00:36:40.619
Like everything that they give her to do, she's just excellent.

808
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:44.280
And this is where they actually just realised that we could just

809
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:48.599
have her play Marina rather than whatever the hell she's doing in

810
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.900
sort of early Star Trek, the next generation, and she'll be

811
00:36:51.900 --> 00:36:52.320
genius.

812
00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:55.739
It's kind of like, you know, she's the Counsellor, which is a

813
00:36:55.739 --> 00:36:56.219
bridge officer.

814
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:57.480
It's just a spare basic.

815
00:36:57.539 --> 00:37:00.960
You can get it to go and do a few other bits and bobs that, you

816
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.059
know, a bit of security work, a bit of...

817
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:05.519
I mean, no one needs counselling, but maybe they do it a bit.

818
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:06.119
We'll come to that.

819
00:37:06.179 --> 00:37:07.260
But yeah, just go look for people.

820
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:11.579
I'll just come around, come for the crack. on nuclear submarines

821
00:37:11.579 --> 00:37:14.219
and things like that that the counsellor sits there next to the

822
00:37:14.219 --> 00:37:16.199
person in charge of firing all the weapons and that.

823
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:19.980
No, but that's a very deliberate choice that's trying to

824
00:37:19.980 --> 00:37:22.980
differentiate Star Trek, the next generation from Star Trek, the

825
00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:23.579
original series.

826
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:24.539
Do you know what I mean?

827
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:30.780
is making it more modern and more concerned for the officer's

828
00:37:30.780 --> 00:37:33.480
feelings and welfare and well-being and stuff.

829
00:37:33.539 --> 00:37:38.039
Like that's a, I, that's a deliberate and surprising choice. women

830
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:38.820
in those roles.

831
00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:40.019
Yes, that is bad.

832
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:42.599
I mean, it would have been more interesting if it had been a

833
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:42.900
blow.

834
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:43.380
Of course.

835
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:49.380
Yeah, well, Dr. Miglimo in load X, obviously, who's a bird.

836
00:37:49.500 --> 00:37:52.199
Original series, you've just got bull and stone, they want a man

837
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:53.579
up, another drink or something.

838
00:37:55.019 --> 00:37:57.239
Have some whiskey.

839
00:37:57.420 --> 00:38:03.900
Can I just say extra points for Aiger here who does that fabulous

840
00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:06.420
you know, the cameras coming towards her, she turns and sees it

841
00:38:06.420 --> 00:38:07.199
and screams.

842
00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:08.699
She's awesome.

843
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:09.719
That's so well done.

844
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:12.780
Do you know what?

845
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:13.739
That's where they spent the money.

846
00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:16.739
They can afford actual actors for those roles rather than the

847
00:38:16.739 --> 00:38:19.500
extras we normally seal those stores.

848
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:21.420
You know, people are getting the episodes.

849
00:38:22.139 --> 00:38:24.420
Oh, yeah, ai.

850
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:26.460
Where are we running around now?

851
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:27.840
Are we still on the enterprise?

852
00:38:27.900 --> 00:38:29.340
I have no clue where we are right now.

853
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:32.820
So what's happened so far is obviously they've blown up the Borg.

854
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:34.679
Borg of all destroyed.

855
00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:39.840
Um, the, trying to figure out how to fix 1st contact and make sure

856
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:41.400
our 1st contact still takes place.

857
00:38:41.460 --> 00:38:43.559
But shock cover, the book are not blown up.

858
00:38:43.619 --> 00:38:46.619
The book are now invading the Enterprise, and Picard is just

859
00:38:46.619 --> 00:38:47.519
great.

860
00:38:47.579 --> 00:38:48.599
I mean, just that.

861
00:38:48.659 --> 00:38:51.719
The Borg were invading the Enterprise is great.

862
00:38:51.780 --> 00:38:55.619
Like one of the things that they do, which I think is genius, is

863
00:38:55.619 --> 00:39:01.139
that they, so the ball go on deck 16 and they've cut off deck 16

864
00:39:01.139 --> 00:39:04.199
which is where Sick Bay is in this new enterprise, and

865
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:08.639
everything's hotter and more humid there because that's what

866
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:10.260
things are like on a ball cube.

867
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:14.219
And the only reason that things are like that on a ball cube is so

868
00:39:14.219 --> 00:39:18.119
that everyone sweats when they're in those scenes.

869
00:39:18.179 --> 00:39:21.239
And because, you know, it's a studio set.

870
00:39:21.300 --> 00:39:24.300
Like the Enterprise is a studio set, everything's beautifully

871
00:39:24.300 --> 00:39:27.420
temperature controlled, you know, like no one breaks a sweat.

872
00:39:27.420 --> 00:39:30.960
And so all of the action seems a little bit less visceral.

873
00:39:31.019 --> 00:39:36.119
Here, everyone is sweaty, and because the Borg is well glisten

874
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:38.280
because it's like alien.

875
00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:41.820
You know, the everything's covered in swarfiga, you know, aliens

876
00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:45.780
you know, they're all slimy, and the Borg are slimy, and the

877
00:39:45.780 --> 00:39:49.440
people fighting them are slimy, and Alice Cree is incredibly

878
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:50.159
slimy.

879
00:39:50.219 --> 00:39:53.699
And so there's something more visceral about the Borg, and they're

880
00:39:53.699 --> 00:39:56.039
more like xenomorphs in alien, I think.

881
00:39:56.099 --> 00:39:58.920
Or on the slime and the sex later.

882
00:39:58.980 --> 00:39:59.940
Yeah.

883
00:39:59.940 --> 00:40:00.480
Yeah.

884
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:04.619
Although I've got to say, I do wonder if there's a less smart

885
00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:09.119
reading on why it's so hot, and that is because, you know, Picard

886
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:10.079
is not Kirk.

887
00:40:10.139 --> 00:40:13.260
So Picard won't just walk around the Enterprise with his kit off.

888
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:16.800
So they sort of need to find a creative reason as to why at the

889
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:17.519
end of this story.

890
00:40:17.579 --> 00:40:20.340
Patrick Stewart. flashing his tits.

891
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:24.239
I'm absolutely certain that the reason that they're doing it

892
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:28.980
though, is that reason is in order to, um, in order to have

893
00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:29.940
everyone sweating.

894
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:33.840
Oh my god, it's Nursagawa.

895
00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:34.320
Yes.

896
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.139
With her, she's got a proper movie hair this week.

897
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:39.780
Like she's got bigger hair than she's ever had before.

898
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.300
Okay, here's the EMH program.

899
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.000
Oh, you've got to love this bit.

900
00:40:45.059 --> 00:40:47.880
I mean, for all that we're saying, you know, this is Star Trek

901
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:51.599
that, um, they're not we can go and enjoy the pictures, you know

902
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:54.000
when this happens as a fan, yes, there's a little Easter regular

903
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:55.260
sitting, you're absolutely.

904
00:40:55.320 --> 00:41:00.539
Well, this, the defiant, Ethan Phillips turning up later, there's

905
00:41:00.539 --> 00:41:01.679
lots of little nods.

906
00:41:01.739 --> 00:41:06.239
This shot, right, where we've got SteadyCam, he's talking to the

907
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:06.780
camera.

908
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:08.460
We don't see the Borg come in.

909
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:14.219
He's backing back, and he hits the wall, and shocks himself, and

910
00:41:14.219 --> 00:41:17.820
then does that tiny smile, like the most irreceptible smile, and

911
00:41:17.820 --> 00:41:20.099
then goes out, like, it's an absolute mastercard.

912
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:21.000
It's so funny.

913
00:41:21.059 --> 00:41:24.360
It's so much funnier than anything Gates would have been able to

914
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:24.659
do.

915
00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:26.280
Yes.

916
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:29.340
He gets the Boones line as well, doesn't he?

917
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.039
I'm a doctor not a doorstop, so it's just...

918
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:35.579
It's just so fantastic when you know when you're going...

919
00:41:35.579 --> 00:41:38.340
He is priceless, isn't it, Robert Picardo?

920
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.360
Best of it.

921
00:41:39.659 --> 00:41:43.860
You could add him to any Star Trek movie and that movie is a

922
00:41:43.860 --> 00:41:44.820
little classier as a result.

923
00:41:44.940 --> 00:41:48.780
Well, we've added him to prodigy and to Starfleet Academy.

924
00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:51.059
Happy days.

925
00:41:52.500 --> 00:41:56.159
But well, I think, you know, you were saying there about the

926
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:59.400
steady cam and all of that, and given the actor some time, because

927
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.980
he's only getting a quick moment, but he gets his moment, I

928
00:42:01.980 --> 00:42:04.619
remember that getting a hell of a laugh in the cinema.

929
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.320
Probably the biggest laugh beyond the ball line.

930
00:42:08.099 --> 00:42:12.659
That's Jonathan Frakes as an actor's director, knowing he needs to

931
00:42:12.659 --> 00:42:14.039
give that actor his moment.

932
00:42:14.099 --> 00:42:14.880
Yeah.

933
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:18.300
And it's, there is a lot of laughs in this.

934
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.000
For all that, it's, you know, we're talking about building tension

935
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.119
you know, it's we'll have some really, you know, powerful

936
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:27.059
character moments with Picard later on in the little ships.

937
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.960
You know, there's a lot of like tension between data and the queen

938
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:32.039
but there's a lot of laughs as well.

939
00:42:32.099 --> 00:42:34.440
It's the full package for me, you know.

940
00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:36.119
It's so well judged, doesn't it?

941
00:42:36.179 --> 00:42:39.360
Compared to generations and all that shit with data's emotion ship

942
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:40.500
which was so bad.

943
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:41.940
So awful.

944
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:43.320
Not funny at all.

945
00:42:43.380 --> 00:42:44.159
Dreadful.

946
00:42:44.219 --> 00:42:45.659
It made him into a prick.

947
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:49.320
Oh, now he's Marina's absolute best scene.

948
00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:54.780
And watch Jonathan's reaction when he realises she's drunk because

949
00:42:54.780 --> 00:42:56.880
he really is enjoying himself.

950
00:42:56.940 --> 00:42:58.500
Like he thinks it's hilarious.

951
00:42:58.559 --> 00:42:59.099
It's wonderful.

952
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:00.119
It's so great.

953
00:43:00.179 --> 00:43:03.719
Can I just say, though, like, like, now, I'm not going to shit all

954
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:05.340
over this thing because I do think it's very funny.

955
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.519
However, this was the point halfway through this scene where

956
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:12.539
Marina Service is doing her drunk acting where Mark got up and

957
00:43:12.539 --> 00:43:13.559
said, I'm out.

958
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.900
I went upstairs to have a shower.

959
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:17.159
I said what?

960
00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:20.039
He went, that is the worst drunk acting I've ever seen.

961
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:21.000
I walked off.

962
00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:24.719
I base my behaviour when drunk on this scene.

963
00:43:24.780 --> 00:43:28.679
I when I get drunk. your behaviour usually on this scene.

964
00:43:28.739 --> 00:43:29.880
What are you talking about?

965
00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:33.900
But I like Marina, that's how I, that's what I'm like when I'm

966
00:43:33.900 --> 00:43:34.199
drunk.

967
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.000
Frasier, are you like Marina when you're drunk?

968
00:43:39.420 --> 00:43:41.579
Look at Jonathan.

969
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:42.539
It's so crazy.

970
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:48.539
The whiskey, like the whiskey is shit again, you know, like all of

971
00:43:48.539 --> 00:43:52.679
that stuff is tricky out of jars because of course they are.

972
00:43:52.739 --> 00:43:55.139
And it's like it's really terrible.

973
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:57.780
It's when she holds off.

974
00:43:57.900 --> 00:44:01.980
She nearly falls off her chair saying, don't turn the music off.

975
00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:05.820
Frasier, are you a marina when you're drunk?

976
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:08.280
I'm very much a James Cornwell.

977
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.880
Yeah, I can believe it, actually.

978
00:44:12.780 --> 00:44:17.340
Oh, there's no time to argue about time.

979
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:18.539
We don't have the time.

980
00:44:18.659 --> 00:44:21.179
Well, she's Diana Troy.

981
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:25.139
She moves her hair like with a little bit of dignity, even though

982
00:44:25.139 --> 00:44:26.280
she's like massively drunk.

983
00:44:26.340 --> 00:44:27.539
But she was in.

984
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.179
She was in man of the people.

985
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:34.079
They could only get her to behave like this for space reasons in

986
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:34.800
the actual show.

987
00:44:34.860 --> 00:44:37.440
Now they just get appissed, you know, it's really fun.

988
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.739
Every now and again, they gave her a line.

989
00:44:40.739 --> 00:44:43.739
Like then, and the price when she went, oh, I wouldn't want to

990
00:44:43.739 --> 00:44:44.639
miss the wormhole.

991
00:44:46.019 --> 00:44:47.940
It should have been like this.

992
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:51.000
If she'd have been like this all the way through, it would have

993
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:51.900
been gold.

994
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.920
Just Frank cells and it's wonderful.

995
00:44:57.059 --> 00:45:01.199
The way she tries to carry herself with deportment, but can't

996
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:02.340
quite start.

997
00:45:05.099 --> 00:45:08.159
It's like me when I try and be a professional.

998
00:45:08.219 --> 00:45:09.599
This is what I look like, yeah.

999
00:45:09.900 --> 00:45:11.940
It's not just me.

1000
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.480
It's freaks as well with this, the pair of the modest bouncing off

1001
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:16.320
each other.

1002
00:45:16.380 --> 00:45:20.880
He is, you know, perfectly playing the straight man here.

1003
00:45:21.059 --> 00:45:23.099
You know what's great?

1004
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:27.599
What is great is Marina and Jonathan Frakes, right?

1005
00:45:27.659 --> 00:45:29.519
I have had 7 years.

1006
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:33.179
They're a relationship as friends, which means in these movies

1007
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:36.000
It's one of the best things about all 4 of the Next Generation

1008
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.980
movies is the Riker Troy stuff.

1009
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:39.300
It just is so great.

1010
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:45.780
And then you jump over the Kertzman trek and the rewards of their

1011
00:45:45.780 --> 00:45:48.360
friendship on the screen in that relationship.

1012
00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:50.579
It's astonishingly good.

1013
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:58.139
I have to see that beat there where she falls unconscious. in Rika

1014
00:45:58.139 --> 00:46:02.280
just at the same time, it's so the comedy timing is so perfect

1015
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:03.300
between the service.

1016
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:06.300
It's so well directed by the man that's actually stolen in it.

1017
00:46:06.420 --> 00:46:07.500
Yeah.

1018
00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:09.659
So the music here?

1019
00:46:09.659 --> 00:46:10.199
Fraser?

1020
00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:11.219
Oh, yes.

1021
00:46:11.219 --> 00:46:12.960
The music in this scene is incredibly good.

1022
00:46:13.019 --> 00:46:15.599
I can't remember it because I want to do a little hum.

1023
00:46:15.659 --> 00:46:18.480
I don't think so, but it's very distinctive.

1024
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:21.840
A carpet.

1025
00:46:21.900 --> 00:46:27.360
Now, that's the other thing that I notice is that even though, even

1026
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:33.000
though the galaxy class ship has been destroyed last, this is

1027
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:33.539
funny too.

1028
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:38.579
Um, um, has been destroyed last film, uh, there is a lot of carpet

1029
00:46:38.579 --> 00:46:42.420
still, and so the red carpet there, and quite close up, it's just

1030
00:46:42.420 --> 00:46:46.019
that disgusting industrial carpet that is on all of the Starfleet

1031
00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:46.860
ships in the north.

1032
00:46:46.980 --> 00:46:47.699
Did you miss the line?

1033
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:49.440
Did you not miss the line at the start?

1034
00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:54.000
We built the new Enterprise, $40000000 and carpet.

1035
00:46:54.059 --> 00:46:55.920
You did remember to install carpet, right?

1036
00:46:56.159 --> 00:47:00.539
Because they make a joke about it in Picard series 3, remember?

1037
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:03.420
Like they laugh at the fact that there's carpet all over the

1038
00:47:03.420 --> 00:47:03.659
ship.

1039
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:07.619
This is now, we're in my favourite part of the movie now, now

1040
00:47:07.619 --> 00:47:09.719
because we're doing Borg attacks enterprise.

1041
00:47:09.780 --> 00:47:11.820
No, we're doing die hard.

1042
00:47:11.940 --> 00:47:15.840
Joe, this is where they fix the emotion chip.

1043
00:47:15.900 --> 00:47:20.579
So where he says I'm feeling anxious and Picard says, I think you

1044
00:47:20.579 --> 00:47:24.179
should turn your emotion chip off and then he does. cheap in a

1045
00:47:24.179 --> 00:47:24.840
head tilt.

1046
00:47:24.900 --> 00:47:28.440
Like, and there's a sound effect.

1047
00:47:28.500 --> 00:47:30.119
Like, I think that's hilarious.

1048
00:47:30.179 --> 00:47:31.920
Like they make it slightly stupid.

1049
00:47:31.980 --> 00:47:35.579
And then they use the emotion chip to up the stakes in the scene

1050
00:47:35.579 --> 00:47:40.320
with the Borg queen to make him scared and he tones it down a

1051
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:40.860
bit.

1052
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.980
You know, he's not doing the sort of obnoxious shit that he was

1053
00:47:43.980 --> 00:47:44.940
doing in the last film.

1054
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:47.280
And him scared with the ball queen is actually really good.

1055
00:47:47.340 --> 00:47:50.099
And there's one line that I think he delivers, it's really laugh

1056
00:47:50.099 --> 00:47:51.420
out loud funny as well.

1057
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:55.440
Is it the multiple techniques?

1058
00:47:55.500 --> 00:47:59.340
No, no, it's the one where he says I'm not scared, you know, or

1059
00:47:59.340 --> 00:47:59.820
something like that.

1060
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:03.000
And he's like, he's absolutely breaking it.

1061
00:48:03.059 --> 00:48:03.900
It's really good.

1062
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:06.960
Oh, POV shot slurk.

1063
00:48:07.019 --> 00:48:09.539
Oh, no, we'll go house the 1st proper look at the Borg, no.

1064
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:12.539
The makeup is great, isn't it?

1065
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:14.940
Oh, you are right.

1066
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:15.840
They are glistening.

1067
00:48:15.900 --> 00:48:18.239
Yeah, they're like the aliens.

1068
00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:21.659
Like, remember how the alien looks at the very end of Alien.

1069
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:23.639
You know, it's a bloke in a suit.

1070
00:48:23.699 --> 00:48:24.360
They look like that.

1071
00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:25.920
They shouldn't have done the shop from behind.

1072
00:48:25.980 --> 00:48:27.480
I know. still got padded arses.

1073
00:48:27.539 --> 00:48:27.840
Look.

1074
00:48:27.900 --> 00:48:29.639
Yeah, no, they looked good.

1075
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.460
It's the makeup as well.

1076
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:36.599
It's sort of that mottling of the skin, you know, it's it's all

1077
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.300
just sort of like, you know, that will slap a bit of gray face

1078
00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:42.239
paint onion in the series and all going to add texture. we're

1079
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:42.840
going to add detail.

1080
00:48:42.900 --> 00:48:46.739
We're going to have more than just human book as well.

1081
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:48.119
There's like Klingon bork, isn't there?

1082
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:54.599
See, I think I think that the original white makeup was designed

1083
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.960
to kind of deracialize them, like to remove their identities.

1084
00:48:58.019 --> 00:48:58.739
Do you know what I mean?

1085
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:03.179
Like everyone is is this sort of like porcelain white colour.

1086
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:05.699
And so everyone's identity's been removed.

1087
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:09.179
But now they've decided it's because they're zombies.

1088
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:10.139
Do you know what I mean?

1089
00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:12.659
So it's more...

1090
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:13.559
The greer pollar.

1091
00:49:13.619 --> 00:49:14.340
Yeah, necrotic.

1092
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:14.579
Exactly.

1093
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:16.139
Actually, you are right.

1094
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:18.000
It is die hard with zombies, isn't it?

1095
00:49:18.900 --> 00:49:21.239
I mean, that's a great pitch.

1096
00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:22.920
Who wouldn't want to watch that movie?

1097
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:25.380
But you're right, Fraser.

1098
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:28.019
Like they've just got the time to get all the details with the

1099
00:49:28.019 --> 00:49:28.980
makeup, just perfect.

1100
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:33.420
You know, as a production, you can't fault it.

1101
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:34.860
It's really good.

1102
00:49:37.980 --> 00:49:41.639
It's a great look for Wolf as well, cutting his hair back, you

1103
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:41.820
know.

1104
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:45.300
You remember how big his hair gore come series 7 of the next

1105
00:49:45.300 --> 00:49:45.780
generation?

1106
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:46.679
It was ridiculous.

1107
00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:49.260
He had a buffon body end.

1108
00:49:49.739 --> 00:49:52.920
It was a proper page boy, wasn't it?

1109
00:49:52.980 --> 00:49:54.719
Did you say page boy car?

1110
00:49:54.780 --> 00:49:55.679
Yeah, it is.

1111
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:56.460
It's a bomb.

1112
00:49:57.599 --> 00:49:59.639
It was, it was.

1113
00:49:59.699 --> 00:50:02.940
He had a type back by the end of next generation, though, didn't

1114
00:50:02.940 --> 00:50:03.119
he?

1115
00:50:03.179 --> 00:50:03.599
Yeah, yeah.

1116
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:03.900
Yeah.

1117
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:06.480
I think his DS9 looks the best.

1118
00:50:06.539 --> 00:50:07.559
Oh it's basically this, isn't it?

1119
00:50:07.619 --> 00:50:09.539
With the gray uniform and the short hair.

1120
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:11.219
It just looks cool.

1121
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:14.280
I love as well how it's like a brand new ship and Picard tries to

1122
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:15.719
pull the handle on the door and it snaps off.

1123
00:50:16.260 --> 00:50:20.400
Does somebody try and activate the self-destruct sequence in

1124
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:20.579
this?

1125
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:21.300
Yes.

1126
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:21.840
Yes.

1127
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.360
Yeah, when they get a new ship, that's usually the 1st name.

1128
00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:25.079
They do do it.

1129
00:50:25.139 --> 00:50:28.619
And there's even a line of dialogue saying, you know, we barely

1130
00:50:28.619 --> 00:50:29.460
knew this ship.

1131
00:50:29.460 --> 00:50:33.659
And like, part of the problem is I think you know that they're not

1132
00:50:33.659 --> 00:50:38.400
going to destroy this ship after doing it last. last time.

1133
00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:41.639
And I'm not quite sure why they did it last time.

1134
00:50:42.179 --> 00:50:45.360
I think it was just a restart.

1135
00:50:45.420 --> 00:50:47.760
You know what, just to say, well, yeah, they wanted a new set.

1136
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:50.340
Oh, no, that was our favourite part of the movie.

1137
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:51.480
Don't take that bit.

1138
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.619
Where Troy's there, sort of crashing the ship.

1139
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:56.820
It was amazing.

1140
00:50:56.820 --> 00:50:57.420
Shuddering.

1141
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:03.059
Oh, they did at least they didn't say women drivers, eh?

1142
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:04.079
No, that's true.

1143
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:10.079
So, and this too, like the tubules, the injection tubules, which

1144
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:12.719
have now been added, which I think are really great.

1145
00:51:12.900 --> 00:51:16.679
In production tones, one thing I do want to say, though, is

1146
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:18.900
obviously, this is expensive.

1147
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:20.159
I've said it a few times.

1148
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:25.500
As we go on, even in Voyager, they learn how to do that special

1149
00:51:25.500 --> 00:51:27.480
effect on a TV budget.

1150
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:31.559
In Kurtzman Trek, now, you had scenes of the Ball Queen in series

1151
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:36.059
2 of Picard, like crawling around with her non-body snake part

1152
00:51:36.059 --> 00:51:40.260
trailing around behind, like production came on so much that we

1153
00:51:40.260 --> 00:51:44.340
can do movie special effects in television, like so quickly after

1154
00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:44.699
this.

1155
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:47.219
Yeah, it's there is a trade-off though, isn't there?

1156
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:51.059
Because, you know, you get 22 episodes in a next generation series

1157
00:51:51.059 --> 00:51:52.199
you get 8 of Picard.

1158
00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:55.260
So, yeah, that that's a trade-off basically is.

1159
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:57.780
I'd rather have more time with them, Fraser, and a few shitty

1160
00:51:57.780 --> 00:51:58.260
episodes.

1161
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:03.300
Yeah, I'd rather have, you know, you know, like, you know, DS9, you

1162
00:52:03.300 --> 00:52:06.420
get a really solid standing set that's got 2 levels.

1163
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:11.280
Um, you know, lots of areas for you to go into and use that more

1164
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:15.300
than just CGI and, but, you know, it's the way television's made.

1165
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:19.679
It's HD, so you've got to, you've got to have everything spot on.

1166
00:52:19.739 --> 00:52:22.079
When you mentioned TS9, then I instantly relaxed.

1167
00:52:22.139 --> 00:52:23.159
Thank you.

1168
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:29.099
Now, can we please talk about these things with data and the ball

1169
00:52:29.099 --> 00:52:29.460
queen?

1170
00:52:29.460 --> 00:52:32.880
Because I think some of them are very good, but I just don't like

1171
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:33.480
the kink.

1172
00:52:33.539 --> 00:52:39.000
I really don't want to think about paying. getting turned on

1173
00:52:39.059 --> 00:52:40.619
that's a huge problem.

1174
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:43.920
So because I think that she's sexy as hell.

1175
00:52:43.980 --> 00:52:46.619
Like, even though, like, and that's the thing.

1176
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:47.400
Do you know what I mean?

1177
00:52:47.460 --> 00:52:48.420
Yeah, yeah.

1178
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:53.940
And because part of the thing, because sex, like lust and disgust

1179
00:52:53.940 --> 00:52:57.360
uh, very close to one another.

1180
00:52:57.420 --> 00:52:58.320
Do you know what I mean?

1181
00:52:58.380 --> 00:53:00.480
No, in my bedroom, they're not.

1182
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:06.239
But, but and so I really like the fact that she's hovering on the

1183
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:07.860
border of that. you know what I mean?

1184
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:08.940
She's a scary monster.

1185
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:13.380
She's got the big head, like a like a xenomorph alien, but she's

1186
00:53:13.380 --> 00:53:17.039
really sexy, she's got the sexy voice, she's properly seductive.

1187
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:19.440
She, it's a really, really good.

1188
00:53:19.500 --> 00:53:21.059
She also... mottled gray.

1189
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:23.280
Yeah, yeah.

1190
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:26.699
Yeah, yeah. weird alien tubes coming out of her heads.

1191
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:30.900
That's, yeah, that's just you being racist, I think, is...

1192
00:53:30.900 --> 00:53:32.039
Against ball.

1193
00:53:32.099 --> 00:53:34.559
Happily in this particular occasion.

1194
00:53:34.619 --> 00:53:37.679
Fraser, does the sport queen turn you on?

1195
00:53:37.739 --> 00:53:40.920
I can't believe I'm asking you this question, but here we are

1196
00:53:40.980 --> 00:53:41.820
position, isn't it?

1197
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:45.059
You know, you have a very sexual character in a very revealing

1198
00:53:45.059 --> 00:53:49.679
costume, figure hugging, low cut, um, but quite obviously some

1199
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:55.920
sort of half dead lizard thing, um, it's, it's really interesting

1200
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:58.500
um, the way that the, the goal was interesting. interesting.

1201
00:53:58.559 --> 00:53:59.519
Is that yes or no?

1202
00:53:59.579 --> 00:54:02.099
It's...

1203
00:54:02.099 --> 00:54:04.079
It's a yesando.

1204
00:54:04.139 --> 00:54:05.400
Yes, yes, yes.

1205
00:54:05.460 --> 00:54:06.960
I think it's a yes, absolutely.

1206
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.079
She's sexy as hell.

1207
00:54:10.139 --> 00:54:14.460
Yeah, because you have that sort of, you know, that reaction to

1208
00:54:14.460 --> 00:54:19.380
the female figure, but then you have the sort of more conscious

1209
00:54:19.380 --> 00:54:24.360
reaction to the fact that she is a corpse and above all else, she's

1210
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:25.320
the villain of the piece as well.

1211
00:54:25.380 --> 00:54:28.139
So you should be singing boo his boo, but you know, actually going

1212
00:54:28.139 --> 00:54:28.920
oh, ding dong.

1213
00:54:28.980 --> 00:54:33.000
I never once considered until this conversation that the ball

1214
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:34.860
queen is in any way sexy.

1215
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.800
But she's playing it like that.

1216
00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:39.239
And it's Alice Crazy.

1217
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:43.440
And she's saying these lines.

1218
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:46.559
But isn't she?

1219
00:54:46.619 --> 00:54:48.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1220
00:54:48.539 --> 00:54:49.440
Okay.

1221
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:55.619
Well, I shall bow to your... your taste in these particular

1222
00:54:55.619 --> 00:54:56.579
occasion.

1223
00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:00.900
I know what you both came for Christmas now.

1224
00:55:02.340 --> 00:55:05.460
Just a big tub of KY.

1225
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:06.659
That's right.

1226
00:55:06.659 --> 00:55:11.099
Deaf makeup, you know?

1227
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:13.679
So this is great, isn't it?

1228
00:55:13.739 --> 00:55:16.559
This is because they just tell him what's going to happen.

1229
00:55:16.619 --> 00:55:22.139
Because all of that, that thing where, you know, he explained the

1230
00:55:22.139 --> 00:55:27.360
mission to, um, to Cochrane, and he goes, hot damn, you're heroic

1231
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:29.940
which I just think is absolutely right.

1232
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:31.559
So great.

1233
00:55:31.619 --> 00:55:33.659
Isn't it wonderful though?

1234
00:55:33.659 --> 00:55:35.519
He's a bit of a dick as well.

1235
00:55:35.579 --> 00:55:37.739
Like he's a good bloke. but he's a dick.

1236
00:55:38.219 --> 00:55:42.179
But this, like, we've never heard this story before.

1237
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:44.219
We didn't know when 1st contact was.

1238
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.920
We knew when the Federation gets founded.

1239
00:55:46.980 --> 00:55:49.500
We didn't even know who 1st contact was with.

1240
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:53.280
Do you remember when that ship opens and you go, yes, of course it

1241
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:54.300
had to be the Falcons.

1242
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:56.940
Obviously, it was the Vulcans, but we didn't know.

1243
00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:00.119
And so that's a big part of the law.

1244
00:56:00.179 --> 00:56:03.960
You know, Star Trek, the Next Generation, filled in the law, all

1245
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:06.539
that stuff about the 21st century and the 3rd world war and all of

1246
00:56:06.539 --> 00:56:10.980
that sort of stuff that gets mentioned in, in, um, encounter at

1247
00:56:10.980 --> 00:56:11.760
Farpoint and stuff.

1248
00:56:11.820 --> 00:56:15.000
So, you know, and it sets a particular date, which is not what we

1249
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:16.019
have in original track.

1250
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:20.159
And that's a big hole in the timeline, and they fill it in, but

1251
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.079
it's the most important hole.

1252
00:56:22.139 --> 00:56:28.860
And there's a way in which it, you know, Earth becomes, um, uh, you

1253
00:56:28.860 --> 00:56:31.619
know, this socialist paradise for space reasons.

1254
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:34.199
You know, they realise that they're not alone in the universe.

1255
00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:38.820
It's not a question of, you know, material, social progress.

1256
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:41.400
It's not, you know, our politics get improved.

1257
00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:43.260
We learn to love one another.

1258
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:45.960
We learn to care about one another, all of that sort of thing.

1259
00:56:46.019 --> 00:56:48.539
But still, do you know what I mean?

1260
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:54.000
The reason that earth becomes the paradise that it becomes is

1261
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:57.659
because we realise how small we are, that we're all sharing the

1262
00:56:57.659 --> 00:56:58.079
same planet.

1263
00:56:58.139 --> 00:56:59.219
I think it's great.

1264
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:02.460
I think it's really good. stops it from being too, you know, I

1265
00:57:02.460 --> 00:57:04.380
can't bear this twee optimism.

1266
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:08.340
What stops it from being too twee is he's a prick.

1267
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:10.440
And that's wonderful. really love that.

1268
00:57:10.500 --> 00:57:14.219
And the other thing that stops it is that Picard is a prick.

1269
00:57:14.219 --> 00:57:16.860
And like, Picard, it shows Lily around.

1270
00:57:16.860 --> 00:57:20.280
And, you know, these things are amazing, aren't they?

1271
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:22.920
Prosthetics?

1272
00:57:22.980 --> 00:57:24.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1273
00:57:24.300 --> 00:57:25.800
Or the eye thing and all of that.

1274
00:57:25.860 --> 00:57:27.719
Like, it's really horrible.

1275
00:57:27.780 --> 00:57:29.519
The arm with the hand missing.

1276
00:57:29.579 --> 00:57:31.380
Really?

1277
00:57:31.380 --> 00:57:32.340
Yeah.

1278
00:57:32.940 --> 00:57:37.260
It's doing what you can't do on the series and really lean into

1279
00:57:37.260 --> 00:57:38.699
the sort of the body.

1280
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:41.280
Yeah.

1281
00:57:41.340 --> 00:57:44.820
Yes, there's only a couple of lights, yeah, the rest are OCG'd

1282
00:57:44.820 --> 00:57:45.000
in.

1283
00:57:45.059 --> 00:57:47.340
Right, so have you seen Genesis lately?

1284
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:49.920
They did to quite good body horror in that one, you know?

1285
00:57:49.980 --> 00:57:54.960
They thought was very impressed. impressed They turned Ridge

1286
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:59.400
Barkley into a spider. and Troy into an amphibian.

1287
00:57:59.699 --> 00:58:01.199
So good.

1288
00:58:01.260 --> 00:58:03.119
They should have kept her that way.

1289
00:58:03.179 --> 00:58:03.599
Oh, sorry.

1290
00:58:03.659 --> 00:58:08.760
We've got Lieutenant Hawk here. who just gets a few lines and

1291
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:11.699
there was some talk, I think, in the lead up to it because people

1292
00:58:11.699 --> 00:58:15.539
were starting to be critical about how little queer representation

1293
00:58:15.539 --> 00:58:17.099
there was in Star Trek.

1294
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:22.800
Uh, and clearly, you know, it was not something that, um, uh

1295
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:26.519
Berman and Braga were interested in at all, but there was some

1296
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:30.000
talk that Hawk was going to be gay, but they had no way of knowing

1297
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:31.500
how to write that or.

1298
00:58:31.500 --> 00:58:32.039
Who's the actually?

1299
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:32.760
I know him.

1300
00:58:32.820 --> 00:58:35.699
I don't know his name's Neil McDonald.

1301
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:39.539
Yeah, he's in, um, Captain America.

1302
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:40.920
He's in the 1st Captain America film.

1303
00:58:40.980 --> 00:58:43.139
He's the big guy with the touch.

1304
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:44.940
That's the one of the home commanders.

1305
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:48.599
He has the look of a Captain America character, doesn't he?

1306
00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:52.019
He popped up as the villain in one of the series of arrow.

1307
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.300
So he's...

1308
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:54.900
He had some work.

1309
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:58.920
Yeah, he's got quite quite a hefty IMDb.

1310
00:58:58.980 --> 00:59:00.539
Look at him.

1311
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:01.619
Of course he's had some work.

1312
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:03.300
He's really pretty, isn't he?

1313
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:05.880
And that's why we kind of thought he's gay because he has that

1314
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:06.539
kind of look.

1315
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:08.699
This is great, isn't it?

1316
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:11.760
These though, but this is just the scene from who watches the

1317
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:12.239
watchers.

1318
00:59:12.300 --> 00:59:12.659
Yes.

1319
00:59:12.659 --> 00:59:14.280
Showing the planet from all this.

1320
00:59:14.340 --> 00:59:16.139
So we're still doing stuff we did in the episodes.

1321
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:17.280
Yeah, yeah.

1322
00:59:17.340 --> 00:59:19.920
That will be more a problem in the next film.

1323
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:24.059
They can't get out of that mindset. just can't quite do it.

1324
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:28.019
And it's a bigger problem in an insurrection, I think, which is

1325
00:59:28.019 --> 00:59:31.260
absolutely a two-part next generation episode.

1326
00:59:31.260 --> 00:59:35.400
And then Nemesis again is a sort of really bad series 7, two-part

1327
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:36.300
next generation episode.

1328
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:37.800
Let me ask you this then.

1329
00:59:37.860 --> 00:59:42.539
If this is the film for the not we, if this is the relaunch of the

1330
00:59:42.539 --> 00:59:45.119
franchise to say we're going to continue doing these movies, but

1331
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:50.039
you know, we can't just rely on the fans, we need to kind of

1332
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:54.420
reboot, relaunch, reintroduce a new next generation, as it were, of

1333
00:59:54.420 --> 00:59:56.820
people to this film franchise.

1334
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.579
Does it not make sense then to be kind of going back over some of

1335
00:59:59.579 --> 01:00:03.719
your more successful beats from the series and say, well, we'll do

1336
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:05.159
it again, but we're going to do it again?

1337
01:00:05.219 --> 01:00:05.880
Maybe in the 1st one.

1338
01:00:05.940 --> 01:00:07.440
No, the 1st one's a failure.

1339
01:00:07.500 --> 01:00:10.800
The 1st one's a failure and this is a redo.

1340
01:00:10.860 --> 01:00:12.840
We just missed Lily's Incredible.

1341
01:00:12.900 --> 01:00:17.460
It's my 1st ray gun line, which I think is absolutely superb.

1342
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:21.719
But like this, I mean, obviously the scale of this is bigger and

1343
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:24.539
it's more important because the other thing, if it's relaunching

1344
01:00:24.539 --> 01:00:30.059
the show for the not way for just normal people, we have the

1345
01:00:30.059 --> 01:00:35.280
backstory about what happened to Earth when 1st contact happened

1346
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:40.139
explained both to Lily and to Cochrane by different people in the

1347
01:00:40.139 --> 01:00:41.280
cast at the same time.

1348
01:00:41.340 --> 01:00:45.119
So the premise is being explained, and it's the premise that's at

1349
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:45.480
stake.

1350
01:00:45.539 --> 01:00:49.920
You know, even, and it does the other thing too, I think, which is

1351
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:53.579
it points out how kind of slightly weird in 24th century our

1352
01:00:53.579 --> 01:00:59.880
characters are by contrasting them with characters closer to our

1353
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:00.239
time.

1354
01:01:00.300 --> 01:01:04.860
And, you know, that's why Star Trek 4 is so brilliant.

1355
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:07.559
You know, that's why Picard series 2 is so brilliant.

1356
01:01:07.619 --> 01:01:09.480
It's the right thing to do as well.

1357
01:01:09.539 --> 01:01:12.840
That is an absurdly good visual.

1358
01:01:12.900 --> 01:01:14.159
Incredibly good.

1359
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:17.940
Coming in with her little worm tail coming out of her body.

1360
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:19.739
It's a spot.

1361
01:01:20.820 --> 01:01:21.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1362
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:26.579
To answer your question, Fraser, is yes, they, I do think it is an

1363
01:01:26.579 --> 01:01:30.480
absolute deliberate move that they are looking at the successes of

1364
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:32.519
Next Generation and saying, let's do a bit of that.

1365
01:01:32.579 --> 01:01:38.579
But I don't know, like, it is a movie, Go to Earth. literally tear

1366
01:01:38.579 --> 01:01:41.159
people out of their homes, have them being turned into Borg.

1367
01:01:41.219 --> 01:01:45.659
Just do it in a different way to walking around the spaceship with

1368
01:01:45.659 --> 01:01:47.039
Borks because we do that all the time.

1369
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:48.900
Yeah.

1370
01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:51.599
We don't actually do that all the time, though, at this point, do

1371
01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:51.900
we?

1372
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:53.400
Well, we do it in Voyager.

1373
01:01:53.460 --> 01:01:56.699
You know, that's the future. that's right They're hardly in it in

1374
01:01:56.699 --> 01:01:57.360
next year.

1375
01:01:57.420 --> 01:02:00.599
I mean, do you remember that terrible yellow lighting in Voyager?

1376
01:02:00.659 --> 01:02:01.619
when they did that ball?

1377
01:02:01.739 --> 01:02:02.699
Collective.

1378
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:03.420
Remember that?

1379
01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:04.860
It was just so bad.

1380
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:06.300
Lighting is not expensive.

1381
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:07.980
Could they not have looked at this movie?

1382
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:09.179
That's right.

1383
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:11.280
Just get green gels instead of the yellow ones.

1384
01:02:11.340 --> 01:02:12.179
They cost the same.

1385
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:15.599
It's it gets the point in Voyager. doesn't know where it's going

1386
01:02:15.659 --> 01:02:18.719
like, oh, what ship should this new Borg ship?

1387
01:02:18.780 --> 01:02:20.280
Well, we're not done yet.

1388
01:02:20.340 --> 01:02:21.360
We've done the Borg pyramid?

1389
01:02:21.420 --> 01:02:22.139
Yeah, we'll go with that.

1390
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:24.599
Oh, did they do a pyramid?

1391
01:02:24.659 --> 01:02:25.980
I remember that one.

1392
01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:28.199
I think we're up to door deckahedron now.

1393
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:29.400
Well, well...

1394
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:31.559
By the time we've got to endgame, Fraser.

1395
01:02:31.619 --> 01:02:32.820
They did the Borg cities.

1396
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:34.320
You remember that massive city?

1397
01:02:34.619 --> 01:02:37.079
The city of the Borg?

1398
01:02:37.139 --> 01:02:37.559
Whatever.

1399
01:02:38.460 --> 01:02:40.679
Crazy.

1400
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:41.760
I'm sorry.

1401
01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:44.280
I don't know how you people can consider that sexy.

1402
01:02:44.340 --> 01:02:51.239
It's his own face that you see when she breathes on his skin and

1403
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:52.139
he just does this.

1404
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:52.679
Wow.

1405
01:02:52.739 --> 01:02:56.639
You know, like he's going to have to change his pants.

1406
01:02:56.699 --> 01:02:59.280
Like it's, it's a real proper thing.

1407
01:02:59.579 --> 01:03:05.400
If the line between disgust and being turned on is very thin

1408
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:05.699
yeah.

1409
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:08.099
That's you and me on this call.

1410
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:10.320
I'm disgusted and you're turned on.

1411
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:14.460
I think a lot of it's Alice Krieg as well because she is vamping

1412
01:03:14.460 --> 01:03:15.719
this up.

1413
01:03:15.780 --> 01:03:16.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah. killing it.

1414
01:03:16.980 --> 01:03:18.059
She's so good.

1415
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:21.840
And it's not what, you know, what they do in Picard series too.

1416
01:03:21.900 --> 01:03:22.860
Like that.

1417
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:24.119
Look at the lips.

1418
01:03:24.179 --> 01:03:27.659
Like, look at that shot with that, like, that is, then his

1419
01:03:27.659 --> 01:03:28.199
reaction.

1420
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:32.880
And like Star Trek is so sexless.

1421
01:03:32.940 --> 01:03:36.900
Like, it's so like, you know, when it's not horny, raspberry.

1422
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:37.980
It's not a fair option.

1423
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:45.719
You know, watching a corpse come onto a robot is not the better

1424
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:46.440
option.

1425
01:03:46.500 --> 01:03:48.300
Well, she's not dead.

1426
01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:49.380
It's consensual.

1427
01:03:50.699 --> 01:03:55.980
She's got an enormous brain, like those aliens in the 1st episode

1428
01:03:55.980 --> 01:03:57.119
of the original Trek.

1429
01:03:57.179 --> 01:04:00.420
Yeah, smart is sexy. covered in veins.

1430
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:04.199
No, she's got that big head, I think, because that's what the

1431
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:07.619
aliens have in alien, you know, like they have that big elongated

1432
01:04:07.619 --> 01:04:10.800
head, and I think that heaps of the design features are from

1433
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:10.980
that.

1434
01:04:11.099 --> 01:04:14.039
Like when we go into the corridors and the corridors are covered

1435
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:18.539
in in tubes and stuff like that, that's like when we go into the

1436
01:04:18.539 --> 01:04:23.280
thing in aliens, remember, and the colonies is like that as well.

1437
01:04:23.340 --> 01:04:28.199
I think it's, we underestimate how important aliens is for the

1438
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:29.400
design cues here.

1439
01:04:29.460 --> 01:04:33.239
I'm going to say is, whilst I was eating my breakfast this morning

1440
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:37.500
watching Borg Android foreplay was not on the menu, all right?

1441
01:04:37.619 --> 01:04:39.599
You've just missed the lane.

1442
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:40.679
Such a prude.

1443
01:04:40.739 --> 01:04:42.360
You've just missed your lane.

1444
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:45.960
Lily's just, you know, laid it on a play for you.

1445
01:04:46.019 --> 01:04:46.679
How much did this cost?

1446
01:04:46.739 --> 01:04:48.480
How much did this cost?

1447
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:51.300
$40 million.

1448
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:56.519
It is old though, right?

1449
01:04:56.579 --> 01:04:59.699
Because when they turn the lights down, it all looks a bit cheaper

1450
01:04:59.699 --> 01:05:01.559
they did it in the next generation.

1451
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:06.059
Oh, but more atmospheric and I'd go.

1452
01:05:06.659 --> 01:05:08.940
She's so great, though.

1453
01:05:08.940 --> 01:05:10.019
She's so engaging.

1454
01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:10.920
Yeah.

1455
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:16.019
She, it's, it's so clever to, to, to have this character in here

1456
01:05:16.019 --> 01:05:19.619
is the sort of audience identification figure, again, if you are

1457
01:05:19.619 --> 01:05:23.280
new to this, to have someone that does need everything explaining

1458
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:27.599
someone that is reacting in all these ways and, and it's, it's the

1459
01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:29.400
companion to Picard's doctor, basically.

1460
01:05:29.460 --> 01:05:30.239
Yeah.

1461
01:05:30.300 --> 01:05:35.280
Well, and she does the job of being his moral centre as well.

1462
01:05:35.340 --> 01:05:39.059
Like, he's going around here explaining that the people of his

1463
01:05:39.059 --> 01:05:44.820
time are morally superior to the people of the 21st century and

1464
01:05:44.820 --> 01:05:49.800
he's wrong about that or at least in himself, you know, like, and

1465
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:50.760
she's...

1466
01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:52.380
He's clearly dead at this point then, isn't he?

1467
01:05:52.440 --> 01:05:53.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1468
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:57.719
But, you know, like, it's just Picard being a nutcase here.

1469
01:05:57.780 --> 01:06:00.599
And, you know, everyone else thinks that we should be leaving, even

1470
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:01.500
wharf, you know.

1471
01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:03.179
But you know what else she is?

1472
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:07.019
Such a savvy move, like you said, Fraser, because this is the

1473
01:06:07.019 --> 01:06:10.079
ultimate film for a not we to watch, right?

1474
01:06:10.139 --> 01:06:13.860
And that is the not we character in the film that Picard can

1475
01:06:13.860 --> 01:06:17.280
explain all this bullshit to throughout the entire movie.

1476
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:21.719
It's a really clever move and she's just a great actress.

1477
01:06:21.780 --> 01:06:22.860
When she gets angry.

1478
01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:24.000
Now that's hot.

1479
01:06:24.059 --> 01:06:25.440
That is really hot.

1480
01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:27.480
Yeah, that seems incredible, I think.

1481
01:06:27.539 --> 01:06:30.059
Star Trek usually blows scenes like that.

1482
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:31.800
He's Ethan, bless him.

1483
01:06:31.860 --> 01:06:33.000
Oh, God.

1484
01:06:33.059 --> 01:06:34.679
He's like, thank God, I can breathe.

1485
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:38.699
He's not credited, actually, in the film.

1486
01:06:39.059 --> 01:06:40.980
It's a nice one.

1487
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:43.320
I love this doing the Dixon Hill thing.

1488
01:06:43.380 --> 01:06:45.300
That's another little kiss in the past, isn't it?

1489
01:06:45.420 --> 01:06:48.119
But it's just a nice aesthetic as well.

1490
01:06:48.179 --> 01:06:50.280
It's so incongruous when the ball come in.

1491
01:06:50.340 --> 01:06:52.559
It's a nice little nod again, isn't it?

1492
01:06:52.619 --> 01:06:53.579
Oh, the hollow suite.

1493
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:55.739
We just have a quick little scene in the hollow, so we just...

1494
01:06:55.739 --> 01:06:59.760
But think about how they fucked up the hollow suite in generations

1495
01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:05.400
where suddenly at 78 years later and we're on a sailing boat and

1496
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:10.739
everyone's in these sort of, you know, like historical costumes

1497
01:07:10.739 --> 01:07:12.059
and stuff like that.

1498
01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:17.039
And my father tried to watch it because, you know, he knew that I

1499
01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:19.139
was into it and he thought, oh, generations, I'll watch that.

1500
01:07:19.139 --> 01:07:20.400
That's the thing Nathan likes.

1501
01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:22.679
And it was just like, what the fuck is even happening here?

1502
01:07:22.739 --> 01:07:27.480
You know, because, because how are you to read that in a room?

1503
01:07:27.539 --> 01:07:28.559
Do you know what I mean?

1504
01:07:28.619 --> 01:07:32.280
Like we sit and we go, oh, it's the holodeck on a movie budget.

1505
01:07:32.340 --> 01:07:35.400
That's amazing, but it's absolutely incomprehensible to anyone

1506
01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:36.000
who's watched.

1507
01:07:36.059 --> 01:07:38.460
You know, when Fingabob got pushed off the plank.

1508
01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:39.119
Who was it?

1509
01:07:39.179 --> 01:07:40.139
Dr. Beverly?

1510
01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:41.340
Dr. Bively?

1511
01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:41.820
Yep, yeah.

1512
01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:45.000
That was that was how early Mark walked out of that film.

1513
01:07:45.059 --> 01:07:46.920
No, I'm out.

1514
01:07:46.980 --> 01:07:48.420
Sorry, that's not funny.

1515
01:07:48.539 --> 01:07:51.000
Like, I think that's kind of terrible.

1516
01:07:51.059 --> 01:07:54.900
And here we see him program the thing he explains to Lily what's

1517
01:07:54.900 --> 01:07:55.199
going on.

1518
01:07:55.260 --> 01:07:58.320
We understand, you know, what this is.

1519
01:07:58.380 --> 01:08:00.000
We see them walk into the holodeck.

1520
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:02.820
And so you can do it because it's another thing.

1521
01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:04.500
It's a Star Trek the Next Generation film.

1522
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:05.579
It should have the holodeck.

1523
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:07.500
They should go deeper though, right?

1524
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:10.139
I know they're doing Dixon Hill, but they should have gone, my God

1525
01:08:10.139 --> 01:08:12.300
we're in the royale from series 2.

1526
01:08:13.619 --> 01:08:16.319
No, it's not a lower decks episode.

1527
01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:19.079
Lily gets to hit the guy.

1528
01:08:19.140 --> 01:08:20.039
That's pretty awesome.

1529
01:08:20.100 --> 01:08:22.079
It's great, isn't it?

1530
01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:24.359
With the Borg slowly advancing through the thing.

1531
01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:26.340
Tommy Gum.

1532
01:08:26.460 --> 01:08:27.359
Oh my word.

1533
01:08:27.779 --> 01:08:33.779
So is that that's why he goes into the holodeck, isn't it?

1534
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:38.399
Because he can generate a holographic machine gun and the borg of

1535
01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:40.380
adapting to the space.

1536
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:42.600
Yeah, they've adapted to everyone's space guns.

1537
01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:46.859
I mean, I think they went into the holodeck just so they could

1538
01:08:46.859 --> 01:08:48.960
have the ball crashing a pier at pie.

1539
01:08:49.020 --> 01:08:50.100
No, yeah, yeah.

1540
01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:51.119
Is that as well?

1541
01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:52.199
It's an except-y sport.

1542
01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:54.840
This is great, isn't it?

1543
01:08:54.899 --> 01:08:58.800
Like, he's got his hands in the chest cavity and instead of

1544
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:02.159
pulling stuff around, like, he's mental and look at her looking at

1545
01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:02.399
him.

1546
01:09:02.460 --> 01:09:07.680
Like, what we were doing, we're setting it up with seed and, you

1547
01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:11.100
know, Picard's PTSD, basically.

1548
01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:14.159
Yeah, yeah. know how the effect it's had on them.

1549
01:09:14.220 --> 01:09:15.899
Did you see in his chest there?

1550
01:09:15.899 --> 01:09:18.420
There was a cut and there were sort of marrowbone jelly and all

1551
01:09:18.420 --> 01:09:19.199
sorts in there.

1552
01:09:21.180 --> 01:09:23.760
Patrick Coach, use a stunt hand.

1553
01:09:23.819 --> 01:09:28.260
I'm not putting my hand in there I love that too, when he says

1554
01:09:28.260 --> 01:09:29.640
this was Ensign Lynch.

1555
01:09:29.699 --> 01:09:32.279
And she just looks at him and says, tough luck, huh?

1556
01:09:32.340 --> 01:09:34.199
Like, it's so good.

1557
01:09:34.260 --> 01:09:34.920
She's so good.

1558
01:09:34.979 --> 01:09:37.319
She's sort of a realist, isn't she?

1559
01:09:37.380 --> 01:09:42.359
No, no, like she is commenting on his weird behaviour around that

1560
01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:46.619
around his absolutely failure to respond in any way to that death

1561
01:09:46.619 --> 01:09:47.399
you know?

1562
01:09:47.460 --> 01:09:48.659
Oh, he's fucked off.

1563
01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:51.180
Yes, this is so good.

1564
01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:52.800
Another little kiss.

1565
01:09:55.859 --> 01:09:58.439
Like, that's fine because this character could be anyone, but why

1566
01:09:58.439 --> 01:09:59.220
shouldn't it be that?

1567
01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:00.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1568
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:01.920
Are you a fan of Barbie Fraser?

1569
01:10:01.979 --> 01:10:03.779
Oh, you've got to love Bargley, haven't you?

1570
01:10:03.899 --> 01:10:09.779
I mean, Dwight Schultz, he's he was a legend going into Next

1571
01:10:09.779 --> 01:10:12.659
Generation and yeah, he's...

1572
01:10:12.659 --> 01:10:14.460
He's fantastic.

1573
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:15.239
Yeah.

1574
01:10:15.300 --> 01:10:20.340
Although, I've got to say, like the Borg, Barclay is something due

1575
01:10:20.340 --> 01:10:24.539
to overexposure, that Voyager did in fact ruin, unfortunately.

1576
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:29.159
I actually like having Barkley and Marina at the end of... a good

1577
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:31.979
episode, Parfinder, and then they did it again, and then they did

1578
01:10:31.979 --> 01:10:35.460
it again, and then they did it in the last episode and by that

1579
01:10:35.460 --> 01:10:37.560
point, he's just a parody of himself.

1580
01:10:37.859 --> 01:10:40.319
I think this is really great.

1581
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:42.239
Like this whole thing too.

1582
01:10:42.300 --> 01:10:46.800
Look at, look at the leather, finally smiling at him and things.

1583
01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:51.479
One thing we didn't talk about is how beautiful, like we've

1584
01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:56.340
decided that we're not going to do the, the, um, visor anymore.

1585
01:10:56.399 --> 01:11:02.220
And like we don't get Lavar's beautiful dark eyes, but we get his

1586
01:11:02.220 --> 01:11:06.420
face back and he just, you know, he looks great.

1587
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:07.619
Like, I think that's a great look.

1588
01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:11.640
It does make you wonder why we did that for 7 years when he has

1589
01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:12.119
that face.

1590
01:11:12.180 --> 01:11:14.460
I know, I know.

1591
01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:15.840
Baffling.

1592
01:11:15.899 --> 01:11:20.100
It's a good representation, I think, you know, to have a character

1593
01:11:20.100 --> 01:11:24.359
with a disability, uh, be in the future and, you know, to not just

1594
01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:26.399
kind of airbusher because I think that does kind of happen a

1595
01:11:26.399 --> 01:11:29.039
little bit in this and it happens a little bit.

1596
01:11:29.100 --> 01:11:33.180
Obviously, it happens a lot more coming up in insurrection.

1597
01:11:33.420 --> 01:11:35.640
They were going to do it, weren't they?

1598
01:11:35.699 --> 01:11:36.420
DS 9.

1599
01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:38.880
They were going to have, you know, the Melora character, the

1600
01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:41.699
Daphne Ashburn character that flies about the place and can't

1601
01:11:41.699 --> 01:11:41.939
walk.

1602
01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:44.100
They were gonna, and then they realised they didn't have the

1603
01:11:44.100 --> 01:11:45.720
budget to have her flying around every episode.

1604
01:11:45.779 --> 01:11:47.579
So they went, all right, well, we won't do that.

1605
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:51.479
So I spoke to that as a low budget way of doing a disability, isn't

1606
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:52.680
it, by putting the visor on?

1607
01:11:53.340 --> 01:11:58.859
And obviously now what you do is you have a blind actor, um, like

1608
01:11:58.859 --> 01:11:59.579
we did.

1609
01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:03.600
But the eyes are like one of the greatest weapons.

1610
01:12:03.659 --> 01:12:04.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1611
01:12:04.739 --> 01:12:05.039
Yeah.

1612
01:12:05.100 --> 01:12:08.340
I mean, you know, and he is a beautiful man.

1613
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:11.760
I mean, he still absolutely nails that performance for 7 years

1614
01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:13.199
without us being able to see his eyes.

1615
01:12:13.260 --> 01:12:14.100
This is so funny.

1616
01:12:14.340 --> 01:12:17.760
The way this scene ends, which I just think is absolutely

1617
01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:20.279
brilliant. which is...

1618
01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:21.239
I've got to take a leak.

1619
01:12:21.300 --> 01:12:25.199
Yeah, no, so he goes, he disappears and he's going to leg it.

1620
01:12:25.260 --> 01:12:30.180
And then, and then, um, Riker's forced to stun him and drop him on

1621
01:12:30.180 --> 01:12:33.420
the ground, and then he just turns to Jordan and says, you told

1622
01:12:33.420 --> 01:12:35.340
him about the stats.

1623
01:12:35.699 --> 01:12:38.039
And of course...

1624
01:12:38.100 --> 01:12:40.979
We have done. the episode of Lower decks.

1625
01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:41.880
Remember?

1626
01:12:41.939 --> 01:12:46.140
Series three, episode one grounded, where we actually come back to

1627
01:12:46.140 --> 01:12:49.020
this location and we see the statue.

1628
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:54.239
So we have actually seen the statue in Lardex and the amusement

1629
01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:54.479
park.

1630
01:12:54.539 --> 01:12:57.899
I did say that they got the banter right there, but having to

1631
01:12:57.899 --> 01:12:59.159
explain the leak joke.

1632
01:12:59.220 --> 01:13:02.640
Yeah, that is, that's your next generation humour there.

1633
01:13:02.699 --> 01:13:04.020
That is a bit much.

1634
01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:08.939
But again, it is that thing that this show does, which is, that

1635
01:13:08.939 --> 01:13:13.079
this film does is making reminding us that the 24th century

1636
01:13:13.079 --> 01:13:14.819
characters are a little bit stiff and weird.

1637
01:13:14.939 --> 01:13:16.319
Yeah.

1638
01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:18.359
I've just noticed something there.

1639
01:13:18.420 --> 01:13:20.939
They go on the bridge and at least just sits down in his chair

1640
01:13:20.939 --> 01:13:22.859
straight away, straight in the captain's chair.

1641
01:13:23.460 --> 01:13:25.319
Have you seen her?

1642
01:13:25.380 --> 01:13:26.460
Of course she's in charge.

1643
01:13:27.420 --> 01:13:29.340
This is a nice chair.

1644
01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:30.960
This is the best one, aren't you?

1645
01:13:31.020 --> 01:13:33.239
is her bitch in this movie.

1646
01:13:33.300 --> 01:13:34.800
Let's not forget that.

1647
01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:38.880
It's not what you do.

1648
01:13:38.939 --> 01:13:41.159
It'd be the 1st chair I'd go for, the one in the middle.

1649
01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:47.579
So we're setting up this stun sequence and again, in 7 years of

1650
01:13:47.579 --> 01:13:51.960
Star Trek, the Next Generation, does anyone put a spacesuit on?

1651
01:13:52.859 --> 01:13:55.859
No, I don't think so.

1652
01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:58.380
But then, of course, after this, they've got the suits.

1653
01:13:58.439 --> 01:13:59.640
So they start doing it.

1654
01:13:59.699 --> 01:14:01.859
We saw it in Npop Noor, didn't we?

1655
01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:02.939
They were using those seats.

1656
01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:04.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1657
01:14:04.140 --> 01:14:06.300
And it always does it quite a bit as well.

1658
01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:10.859
There's one with the Species 8472 where they're in on the outside

1659
01:14:10.859 --> 01:14:14.399
of Voyager doing sort of this scene, but low budget.

1660
01:14:14.460 --> 01:14:15.239
Yeah.

1661
01:14:15.300 --> 01:14:19.380
Yeah, but remember the 1st episode of Discovery, this, where

1662
01:14:19.380 --> 01:14:22.319
Geordie sees a figure, you can barely see that it's Cromwell

1663
01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:28.140
except that he then raises the hip flask to his lips and drinks.

1664
01:14:28.140 --> 01:14:29.760
That's how we know it's him.

1665
01:14:32.819 --> 01:14:35.640
I mean, they look great, and this is a pretty great action

1666
01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:40.199
sequence, it is sort of slow and stuff, and, and like the idea of

1667
01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:46.199
giving warf the nausea about, about being in space is pretty great

1668
01:14:46.199 --> 01:14:46.560
too.

1669
01:14:46.619 --> 01:14:51.119
Like that's a typical, uh, sort of undermining wharf by making him

1670
01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:54.180
the sort of slightly pathetic one, which is just awesome.

1671
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:58.439
In the high budget episode's favour, I think this is the point

1672
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:01.500
where I think this feels like a movie, because walking on the

1673
01:15:01.500 --> 01:15:06.239
outside of the salsa is not something we can do in your Star Trek

1674
01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:06.539
episode.

1675
01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:08.340
You couldn't do this scene.

1676
01:15:08.460 --> 01:15:09.300
No.

1677
01:15:09.899 --> 01:15:13.140
I only would know how much money they had to spend on this film.

1678
01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:14.039
We're just a fine.

1679
01:15:14.220 --> 01:15:16.439
But you look into it, please.

1680
01:15:16.500 --> 01:15:17.880
They might say on Wikipedia.

1681
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:20.100
Look at that.

1682
01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:22.920
Look at them walking upside down.

1683
01:15:22.979 --> 01:15:26.159
Now, you're normally complaining about Frakes having the camera

1684
01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:27.060
upside down.

1685
01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:30.840
But the whole conversation, remember, is about how disorienting

1686
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:31.859
this is.

1687
01:15:31.979 --> 01:15:36.960
And when Wharf's told to look at the hull, then we get a shot

1688
01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:39.960
which is their point of view as they walk along the hull.

1689
01:15:40.020 --> 01:15:40.800
So I think that's pretty good.

1690
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:44.460
Excuse me, there is a difference between a scripted scene where

1691
01:15:44.460 --> 01:15:48.119
they are supposed to be upside down and just a scene of exposition

1692
01:15:48.119 --> 01:15:52.739
where Jonathan Frakes decides in Kurtzman Trek to put the camera

1693
01:15:52.739 --> 01:15:54.359
upside down for no reason.

1694
01:15:54.420 --> 01:15:57.300
There is no upside down in space, gentlemen.

1695
01:15:57.300 --> 01:15:59.220
That's the threat. that's a good point.

1696
01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:00.359
It's all relativist.

1697
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:06.060
Oh, no, we're going back to this kinky Android sex again.

1698
01:16:06.180 --> 01:16:06.899
Yeah, yeah.

1699
01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:11.039
It's an important part of the story. the sort of the last

1700
01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:12.239
temptation of data.

1701
01:16:12.659 --> 01:16:18.479
I think too, it's probably this scene which has his funniest line

1702
01:16:18.600 --> 01:16:21.899
like his best line of the film, I think.

1703
01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:27.359
I think my problem is I don't really like later in the movies.

1704
01:16:27.420 --> 01:16:32.159
I think he's lost his innocence from the TV show and he's just a

1705
01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:34.079
bit knowing, a bit sarky.

1706
01:16:34.140 --> 01:16:37.920
They're doing weird things with him that just don't feel right to

1707
01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:38.159
me.

1708
01:16:38.220 --> 01:16:40.020
He is Pinocchio in the series.

1709
01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:40.979
He's so good.

1710
01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:42.479
The X-com episode we watched.

1711
01:16:42.539 --> 01:16:44.579
He was just so cute.

1712
01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:45.420
He's like a child.

1713
01:16:45.539 --> 01:16:47.039
He's not a child anymore.

1714
01:16:47.100 --> 01:16:49.380
He's like, doing sex with a lady.

1715
01:16:49.439 --> 01:16:50.039
It's very old.

1716
01:16:50.100 --> 01:16:51.300
It's very old.

1717
01:16:52.920 --> 01:16:56.520
And I don't think that's where Brent said his best ivory. certainly

1718
01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:57.420
wasn't in generations.

1719
01:16:57.720 --> 01:17:00.479
No, he's terrible in generations.

1720
01:17:00.539 --> 01:17:03.239
That was absolutely misconceived, and you can see them walking

1721
01:17:03.239 --> 01:17:03.779
back.

1722
01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:07.560
But I think he's good here, where he is actually kind of

1723
01:17:07.560 --> 01:17:12.600
confronting her, you know, and showing some emotion without kind

1724
01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:16.859
of doing his usual law overacting, you know, like normally it's

1725
01:17:16.859 --> 01:17:20.279
like he's indistinguishable from law when that sort of stuff

1726
01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:20.760
happens.

1727
01:17:20.819 --> 01:17:24.600
Trouble is, you know, this is the one time Voyager gets it

1728
01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:24.960
better.

1729
01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:28.680
The servant of 9 against the ball queen.

1730
01:17:28.739 --> 01:17:30.600
It's just something else, you know?

1731
01:17:30.659 --> 01:17:32.460
2 women going up against each other.

1732
01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:34.199
Battle Baulks.

1733
01:17:34.260 --> 01:17:35.399
Yeah, yeah.

1734
01:17:35.460 --> 01:17:40.260
What about Agnes Girati with, you know, stuff I stole from Sheeto

1735
01:17:40.260 --> 01:17:42.239
Stole from the Borg queen.text.

1736
01:17:44.100 --> 01:17:46.199
Do you know what I never thought?

1737
01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:47.699
This is a zombie movie, Fraser.

1738
01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:49.439
Now all I can see is a zombie movie.

1739
01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:50.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1740
01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:54.000
There you go.

1741
01:17:54.060 --> 01:17:54.960
There, your sexy zombie.

1742
01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:58.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1743
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:03.420
Someone passed me the KY.

1744
01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:07.380
Oh, Christ.

1745
01:18:07.439 --> 01:18:11.100
Why is it's, I mean, it's, it's this character beat, isn't it?

1746
01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:16.380
It's what they're doing with data ads trying to explore this side

1747
01:18:16.380 --> 01:18:19.020
of them and, you know, this, you know, is he co-uptible?

1748
01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:19.500
Is he?

1749
01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:20.579
Can he be tempted?

1750
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:24.899
Can he be, you know, I mean, obviously he's programmed, doesn't

1751
01:18:24.899 --> 01:18:25.079
he?

1752
01:18:25.140 --> 01:18:28.079
But, you know, can that be co-upted?

1753
01:18:28.140 --> 01:18:32.039
We did do that in descent part one and 2 though, you know?

1754
01:18:32.100 --> 01:18:33.659
Part two, which was terrible.

1755
01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:35.880
Like it was done very badly.

1756
01:18:35.939 --> 01:18:40.380
And here we're not forced to, like, we suspect that he's gone over

1757
01:18:40.380 --> 01:18:45.659
to her side at some point, but and then, you know, it's deflected

1758
01:18:45.659 --> 01:18:48.899
when those 3 quantum torpedoes miss the Phoenix.

1759
01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:49.560
Remember that?

1760
01:18:49.619 --> 01:18:52.079
And then you realise, oh, he's just deliberately blown that

1761
01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:53.939
because he's been on our side all along.

1762
01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:57.359
So it's this scene here where he's super nervous about her

1763
01:18:57.359 --> 01:18:59.460
advancing on him about to have sex.

1764
01:18:59.819 --> 01:19:05.399
And when she says, uh, like, how long has it been, uh, like, I

1765
01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:07.800
fully functional, which he says, embarrassed.

1766
01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:11.640
And then, like, that, which is just line from the naked now, isn't

1767
01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:11.819
it?

1768
01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:13.680
Like that's just dialogue from the naked now.

1769
01:19:13.739 --> 01:19:15.359
How long has it been since you've used them?

1770
01:19:15.420 --> 01:19:19.560
And when he does the usual trick of saying the duration down to

1771
01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:21.659
the nearest second?

1772
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:24.960
The thing that normally he's told to shut up about, that's so

1773
01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:27.720
perfect because it just makes it seem like he's been gagging for

1774
01:19:27.720 --> 01:19:31.739
it for like 8 years or whatever, he knows down to the 2nd.

1775
01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:36.239
That is so unpleasant.

1776
01:19:37.199 --> 01:19:41.159
I can see her skull being pulled back by the wires.

1777
01:19:41.220 --> 01:19:42.479
I mean, please.

1778
01:19:42.479 --> 01:19:47.520
You and Kira snogging Odo the other day with his burn victim

1779
01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:48.840
face.

1780
01:19:48.899 --> 01:19:50.220
Yeah, I didn't say it was hot.

1781
01:19:50.460 --> 01:19:53.819
I said the rubber latest ripped off.

1782
01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:55.979
That was not hot.

1783
01:19:56.039 --> 01:19:57.180
The neposis.

1784
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:04.079
That was horrible. quite the most horrific thing in the whole

1785
01:20:04.079 --> 01:20:04.319
movie.

1786
01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:06.539
So good.

1787
01:20:07.319 --> 01:20:09.840
Yeah, I think this is great, isn't it?

1788
01:20:09.899 --> 01:20:10.739
He is very slow.

1789
01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:15.000
And again, it's all told without dialogue, which is a refreshing

1790
01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:15.479
change.

1791
01:20:15.539 --> 01:20:16.619
Here we go.

1792
01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:22.920
And I do like, you're cutting back from the ship to the location

1793
01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:26.819
like that's something you wouldn't really do too much in, you know

1794
01:20:26.819 --> 01:20:32.819
I mean, like, the way we go from location to shipboard scenes, it

1795
01:20:32.819 --> 01:20:34.020
feels like it's got scale.

1796
01:20:34.079 --> 01:20:35.100
Yeah.

1797
01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:39.539
Yeah, and you wonder, you know, like it makes it, like you could

1798
01:20:39.539 --> 01:20:42.060
say that it makes it all a bit less oppressive or something like

1799
01:20:42.060 --> 01:20:44.699
that, you know, like it makes the Borg stuff a little bit less

1800
01:20:44.699 --> 01:20:47.699
claustrophobic because now we're outdoors.

1801
01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:49.439
But I think that's a good thing.

1802
01:20:49.500 --> 01:20:50.640
Do you know what I mean?

1803
01:20:50.699 --> 01:20:52.260
Like, this isn't a horror film.

1804
01:20:52.380 --> 01:20:53.220
This is an alien.

1805
01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:54.960
It is still Star Trek.

1806
01:20:55.020 --> 01:20:55.859
This is so great.

1807
01:20:55.979 --> 01:20:58.560
Good fall there from whoever that was.

1808
01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:03.779
Wait, the huzzy sweeper...

1809
01:21:05.460 --> 01:21:07.800
What was that, Frozen?

1810
01:21:07.859 --> 01:21:10.800
He's like a sweet bro and always like, oh, no one got time for

1811
01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:10.979
this.

1812
01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:13.260
It's so good.

1813
01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:14.640
You told him about the statue.

1814
01:21:14.699 --> 01:21:15.840
So great.

1815
01:21:15.899 --> 01:21:16.979
Such a good line.

1816
01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:20.279
It was a handy puddle there just to make it more dramatic as

1817
01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:20.520
well.

1818
01:21:22.619 --> 01:21:26.520
I mean, they've built this enormous source of set. got to use it.

1819
01:21:26.579 --> 01:21:27.539
Yeah, yeah.

1820
01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:28.739
That's good.

1821
01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:30.840
That would all be done on the wall now, wouldn't it?

1822
01:21:31.260 --> 01:21:36.539
Oh no, because they're walking on it, you know, like they might do

1823
01:21:36.539 --> 01:21:37.319
the...

1824
01:21:37.380 --> 01:21:39.119
I mean, some of that stuff's mattered in.

1825
01:21:39.180 --> 01:21:39.779
Do you know what I mean?

1826
01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:41.640
Like the floor is built, though.

1827
01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:47.159
I do miss like, you know, now things have gone CGI.

1828
01:21:47.220 --> 01:21:52.260
I do miss when money started coming in later in the night and they

1829
01:21:52.260 --> 01:21:54.420
were doing big sets in movies and things like this.

1830
01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:56.640
Now they just do a lot of CGI.

1831
01:21:56.699 --> 01:22:00.359
Whereas there is a scale to a physical, a physical set that I

1832
01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:00.779
really like.

1833
01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:03.359
Well, I think that's what we've got here.

1834
01:22:03.420 --> 01:22:05.699
Like I think they're putting, you know, yeah, yeah.

1835
01:22:06.180 --> 01:22:09.899
Yeah, I mean, this is very Star Trek, the next generation, isn't

1836
01:22:09.899 --> 01:22:10.079
it?

1837
01:22:10.140 --> 01:22:13.140
It's like we're turning things and we're pressing buttons and

1838
01:22:13.140 --> 01:22:16.199
we're turning panels around and all of that.

1839
01:22:16.979 --> 01:22:20.939
I think we move some isolinear chips from one slot to another and

1840
01:22:20.939 --> 01:22:21.300
stuff.

1841
01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:26.880
They weren't doing that, Star Trek 6, you know.

1842
01:22:27.239 --> 01:22:31.020
They were on amazing hoff ice planets, you know?

1843
01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:40.020
Oh, we were watching now.

1844
01:22:40.079 --> 01:22:41.340
Yeah, I know.

1845
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:43.439
I mean, there's not much going on.

1846
01:22:43.500 --> 01:22:47.579
It's not, but there's a tension behind it because it is quite slow

1847
01:22:47.579 --> 01:22:51.420
and, you know, you, we know what's happening.

1848
01:22:51.479 --> 01:22:55.739
The 3 of them have got to turn the panels on for the, blast the, um

1849
01:22:55.739 --> 01:22:56.939
deflect audition to space.

1850
01:22:57.000 --> 01:22:59.939
So there's that just tension around, you know, or they're going to

1851
01:22:59.939 --> 01:23:04.800
do it before the Borg, get them and then obviously...

1852
01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:06.899
I'm sure your music's doing a lot of the work, Fraser, as well.

1853
01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:07.739
Yeah, yeah.

1854
01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:08.640
I'm sure.

1855
01:23:08.699 --> 01:23:11.880
I mean, did you say the way that Borg got shot and then flew

1856
01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:15.899
across the saucer set in a way that he could only be on a wire.

1857
01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:19.800
Oh, there's a lot of fabulous wirework all the way through this

1858
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:20.039
scene.

1859
01:23:20.100 --> 01:23:24.119
No, but now now it would be CGI in a way that he didn't look like

1860
01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:24.960
he was on a wire.

1861
01:23:25.020 --> 01:23:27.359
No, the lesson wire stuff coming.

1862
01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:32.460
Like both Hawk and when I think Picard leaps over the leaps over

1863
01:23:32.460 --> 01:23:33.180
the dish as well.

1864
01:23:35.220 --> 01:23:41.399
There's a series of like hot Borg men now advancing on them as

1865
01:23:41.399 --> 01:23:41.579
well.

1866
01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:42.659
Can I say?

1867
01:23:42.779 --> 01:23:43.680
Yeah.

1868
01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:47.100
But these are like handsome young man. you look at them?

1869
01:23:47.159 --> 01:23:48.420
Like it's a whole thing.

1870
01:23:48.479 --> 01:23:51.779
I don't know why quite what's going on there, but we've mottled

1871
01:23:51.779 --> 01:23:52.199
flesh.

1872
01:23:52.260 --> 01:23:54.300
Yeah, yeah, it's makeup.

1873
01:23:54.359 --> 01:23:55.920
Look, he's pretty, look, that guy's pretty.

1874
01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:00.779
Look, he's looking at him really like, what the hell are you

1875
01:24:00.779 --> 01:24:01.020
doing?

1876
01:24:01.079 --> 01:24:04.979
I have never been more disturbed doing one of these commentaries.

1877
01:24:08.039 --> 01:24:09.960
What would you do with a book?

1878
01:24:10.020 --> 01:24:11.520
I don't know.

1879
01:24:11.579 --> 01:24:12.720
See, I don't know.

1880
01:24:12.779 --> 01:24:14.340
See, look that guy's like, whee.

1881
01:24:14.399 --> 01:24:15.239
There goes.

1882
01:24:16.380 --> 01:24:19.140
It's like the moon base all over again.

1883
01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:22.439
What would you do with it?

1884
01:24:22.619 --> 01:24:23.640
What would you do with the Borg?

1885
01:24:23.699 --> 01:24:26.460
I suppose it depends what touchment it comes with. that's exactly

1886
01:24:26.460 --> 01:24:26.880
right.

1887
01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:29.159
Are you thinking about Red Wolf, Fraser?

1888
01:24:29.220 --> 01:24:30.539
He's brought his knife.

1889
01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:31.859
Oh, he's cut the guy's hand off.

1890
01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:33.659
Ooh, ow, that really was quite nice.

1891
01:24:33.779 --> 01:24:34.859
Oh, yeah.

1892
01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:36.840
Space suit now.

1893
01:24:36.899 --> 01:24:37.920
Oh, blood.

1894
01:24:37.979 --> 01:24:40.979
Oh, that's very Star Trek 6, isn't it?

1895
01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:41.819
The CGI blood.

1896
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:43.439
Yeah, you're G blood.

1897
01:24:44.340 --> 01:24:47.579
Better than Star Trek.

1898
01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:48.420
Yeah.

1899
01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:51.659
I mean, look at this shitty technology they're building.

1900
01:24:51.659 --> 01:24:52.859
It's so next generation.

1901
01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:54.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1902
01:24:54.420 --> 01:24:57.239
But also the low resolution graphics on the screen and

1903
01:24:57.239 --> 01:24:57.539
everything.

1904
01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:00.359
Like it's, they're not a retina display or anything, is it?

1905
01:25:00.420 --> 01:25:02.279
It's still 96 you know.

1906
01:25:02.340 --> 01:25:03.239
Yeah, yeah.

1907
01:25:03.300 --> 01:25:05.340
There's your Clinon Borg.

1908
01:25:05.399 --> 01:25:07.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1909
01:25:07.800 --> 01:25:12.239
Oh, poor Hulk's gonna go. off he goes.

1910
01:25:12.300 --> 01:25:13.260
Oh, no.

1911
01:25:13.319 --> 01:25:13.920
Hang on.

1912
01:25:13.979 --> 01:25:15.720
Is he turned into a Borg?

1913
01:25:15.779 --> 01:25:16.319
can't remember.

1914
01:25:16.380 --> 01:25:17.520
Oh, yes.

1915
01:25:17.579 --> 01:25:19.380
Or is it just thrown off the ship?

1916
01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:21.119
No, I don't think yet, sure enough.

1917
01:25:21.180 --> 01:25:23.340
I think he gets he gets tubuled by someone.

1918
01:25:23.399 --> 01:25:26.579
I've only watched this this morning. am I asking questions?

1919
01:25:28.079 --> 01:25:30.600
There's a lot going on, that's all.

1920
01:25:30.899 --> 01:25:34.619
Does someone set the self-destruct at some point, EB?

1921
01:25:34.859 --> 01:25:38.340
Sorry, Fraser, you know, man, I don't really pay attention.

1922
01:25:38.460 --> 01:25:40.079
It's fine.

1923
01:25:40.140 --> 01:25:42.600
It's not just the entire last 3rd of the film or anything, I

1924
01:25:42.600 --> 01:25:42.779
guess.

1925
01:25:44.520 --> 01:25:48.239
To be fair, it's silent, self-destruct, so we don't have the

1926
01:25:48.239 --> 01:25:48.600
lady.

1927
01:25:48.659 --> 01:25:51.359
We don't have Magell telling us how many minutes we have left to

1928
01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:53.039
live. outrageous.

1929
01:25:53.100 --> 01:25:54.479
After all these kisses to the past.

1930
01:25:54.539 --> 01:25:55.859
They didn't bring him, Mitchell.

1931
01:25:55.920 --> 01:25:58.260
No, I mean, but Chelsea, isn't it, isn't she?

1932
01:25:58.380 --> 01:25:59.039
is the computer.

1933
01:25:59.159 --> 01:26:04.859
Look at him gracefully going across that set there flying away.

1934
01:26:04.920 --> 01:26:06.720
Gutty, scurvy wires.

1935
01:26:07.079 --> 01:26:10.920
You can imagine I'll just fucking...

1936
01:26:10.979 --> 01:26:13.380
I played Hamlet at the Queen Vic, you know?

1937
01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:15.359
That's it.

1938
01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:17.939
I think I missed a trick, you know?

1939
01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:19.500
I missed a trick.

1940
01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:22.260
You could have done this set as a roy in Hollywood, couldn't it, in

1941
01:26:22.260 --> 01:26:23.100
a paramount backlot?

1942
01:26:23.100 --> 01:26:26.760
And just you get a Kirby wire and fly across, pretend you're being

1943
01:26:26.760 --> 01:26:27.720
attacked by a ball walk.

1944
01:26:27.779 --> 01:26:28.260
Yeah.

1945
01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:33.960
I worry about how he holds that, why he doesn't go put his hand in

1946
01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:37.680
upright. rather than upside down and then turn it.

1947
01:26:37.739 --> 01:26:38.699
That seems wrong to me.

1948
01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:39.899
You know what?

1949
01:26:40.020 --> 01:26:40.439
You're right.

1950
01:26:40.500 --> 01:26:41.699
This is long, isn't it?

1951
01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:43.140
This is quite long, isn't it?

1952
01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:43.979
Yeah, yeah.

1953
01:26:46.020 --> 01:26:47.760
Oh, there we go.

1954
01:26:47.880 --> 01:26:49.619
And we remember what's at stake?

1955
01:26:49.680 --> 01:26:53.100
Like they're sending a message to tell the Borg to come and get

1956
01:26:53.100 --> 01:26:53.760
Earth now.

1957
01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:57.899
He's missing a trick visually, I think, as well, because we are

1958
01:26:57.899 --> 01:26:59.880
shooting just on this set.

1959
01:26:59.939 --> 01:27:03.479
We're not doing a pullback shot of them on the Enterprise.

1960
01:27:03.539 --> 01:27:04.380
You know what I mean?

1961
01:27:04.439 --> 01:27:06.359
seeing it as a whole.

1962
01:27:06.420 --> 01:27:07.800
Whereas I think you could do a bit more of that.

1963
01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:10.319
Oh, yeah.

1964
01:27:10.380 --> 01:27:11.399
Oh, yeah.

1965
01:27:11.460 --> 01:27:12.300
Does it look hotter?

1966
01:27:12.359 --> 01:27:13.140
Now he's a Borg.

1967
01:27:13.199 --> 01:27:17.279
That wonderful thing where he turns, he turns the helmet and then

1968
01:27:17.279 --> 01:27:18.000
his face.

1969
01:27:18.060 --> 01:27:22.500
So you see him turn towards Picard, then turn his face to show

1970
01:27:22.500 --> 01:27:23.159
that he's bulk.

1971
01:27:23.220 --> 01:27:23.760
But there he is.

1972
01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:28.319
Of course, a pump show in space is nothing to that man, just

1973
01:27:28.319 --> 01:27:28.680
tired.

1974
01:27:28.739 --> 01:27:32.279
No, he just severed them around your leg. hand and they ties it

1975
01:27:32.279 --> 01:27:32.579
on.

1976
01:27:32.699 --> 01:27:35.699
You've got to have us lying round. pretty good.

1977
01:27:35.819 --> 01:27:38.399
No wonder you love Wolf so much, Fraser.

1978
01:27:38.460 --> 01:27:39.300
He's just so cool.

1979
01:27:39.420 --> 01:27:42.180
And I think we'll get one of the simultaneously one of the best

1980
01:27:42.180 --> 01:27:45.659
and one of the worst lanes in the film coming up any minute.

1981
01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:46.560
Oh, yeah.

1982
01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:48.060
Wharf's about to deliver it.

1983
01:27:48.119 --> 01:27:50.039
Can you deliver it for us, please?

1984
01:27:50.100 --> 01:27:51.600
He's being an action hero.

1985
01:27:51.659 --> 01:27:52.199
Here he goes.

1986
01:27:52.859 --> 01:27:54.960
Assimilate this.

1987
01:27:58.260 --> 01:28:00.359
Oh, terrible.

1988
01:28:01.020 --> 01:28:02.819
It's so good.

1989
01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:05.460
Just cracking a jewel.

1990
01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:07.680
I'm asking you both a question.

1991
01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:08.640
I should know about this movie.

1992
01:28:08.760 --> 01:28:12.479
I'm a bit curious because obviously compared to a normal next

1993
01:28:12.479 --> 01:28:15.720
generation episode, this is looks absolutely incredible.

1994
01:28:15.779 --> 01:28:20.760
Compared to other science fiction movies in 1996.

1995
01:28:20.939 --> 01:28:22.260
I don't know what was coming out at the time.

1996
01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:23.880
Is this really amazing?

1997
01:28:23.939 --> 01:28:30.060
Well, what Star Wars episode one is 3 years after this?

1998
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:36.300
Um, and obviously it looks amazing. much more money than much more

1999
01:28:36.300 --> 01:28:40.739
money and much more computer generated stuff as well, like too

2000
01:28:40.739 --> 01:28:41.939
much computer generated.

2001
01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:45.239
I just want to know if sort of science fiction fans, not Star Trek

2002
01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:47.819
fans would have had the patience for that sequence, even though

2003
01:28:47.819 --> 01:28:49.079
there was some cool stuff going on.

2004
01:28:49.140 --> 01:28:50.520
Maybe.

2005
01:28:50.520 --> 01:28:51.659
I think so.

2006
01:28:52.739 --> 01:28:56.399
Yeah, it was slow, but I think it's probably slow about our

2007
01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:57.779
standards more than anything else.

2008
01:28:57.840 --> 01:28:59.159
Poor old Corcoran.

2009
01:28:59.220 --> 01:29:01.859
I mean, it's slow, but curse, but standards, you know, the

2010
01:29:01.859 --> 01:29:03.659
action's furious over there.

2011
01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:05.340
I can't figure out what's going on.

2012
01:29:05.399 --> 01:29:06.659
Stargate.

2013
01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:08.159
Stargate was 94.

2014
01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:10.560
It was 2 years before this.

2015
01:29:10.619 --> 01:29:13.079
It looks better than Stargate, doesn't it?

2016
01:29:13.140 --> 01:29:14.880
I mean, Stargate's not that effective.

2017
01:29:14.939 --> 01:29:16.199
I mean, the Stargate itself is.

2018
01:29:16.260 --> 01:29:20.340
But once you get through the Stargate, it's more just like ancient

2019
01:29:20.340 --> 01:29:21.000
aliens.

2020
01:29:21.060 --> 01:29:22.140
Yeah, yeah.

2021
01:29:22.199 --> 01:29:24.960
And the complete opposite of this, of course.

2022
01:29:25.020 --> 01:29:27.300
That's a movie that spawned a TV show.

2023
01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:29.279
This is a TV show that spawned a movie.

2024
01:29:29.340 --> 01:29:30.300
Yeah.

2025
01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:31.140
Yeah.

2026
01:29:31.800 --> 01:29:35.520
I think the regular audience will be more on board with this stuff

2027
01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:38.760
when the shuttle's going up and the rock music starts playing and

2028
01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:40.260
all of that sort of stuff, you know?

2029
01:29:40.319 --> 01:29:41.100
It's more fun.

2030
01:29:41.159 --> 01:29:44.039
Can I just say that rock music is so shit.

2031
01:29:44.100 --> 01:29:46.920
And like there's...

2032
01:29:46.920 --> 01:29:49.380
They have not licensed anything.

2033
01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:50.640
Do you know what I mean?

2034
01:29:50.699 --> 01:29:51.720
Like, what is it?

2035
01:29:51.779 --> 01:29:55.500
Like, and the dooby, dooby, dooby, dooby-doo music at the very

2036
01:29:55.500 --> 01:29:55.800
end.

2037
01:29:55.859 --> 01:30:00.479
Like, I see why you have rock music because again, it is part of

2038
01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:03.960
that sort of pointing up the difference between people now

2039
01:30:03.960 --> 01:30:07.680
contemporary people and 24th century people.

2040
01:30:07.739 --> 01:30:12.960
You know, we had Picard listening to Berlioz earlier in his room.

2041
01:30:13.319 --> 01:30:18.180
And so that's one of the things that these films do.

2042
01:30:18.300 --> 01:30:21.600
And there's always that sort of fish out of water thing, you know

2043
01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:26.159
the more that, um, that Cromwell's making people dance and drink

2044
01:30:26.159 --> 01:30:30.720
tequila and stuff like that, the more kind of upset or sort of put

2045
01:30:30.720 --> 01:30:31.859
out everyone else is.

2046
01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:35.579
But gee whiz, they don't choose any good music, do they?

2047
01:30:37.380 --> 01:30:41.819
Don't be a good man, just be a man and let history make the

2048
01:30:41.819 --> 01:30:42.239
judgements.

2049
01:30:42.420 --> 01:30:44.279
That's good advice.

2050
01:30:44.579 --> 01:30:48.060
Although I have to say, you're both great men.

2051
01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:51.899
I love the episode of South Park, that takes the piss out of

2052
01:30:51.899 --> 01:30:52.079
that.

2053
01:30:52.140 --> 01:30:53.579
Oh what is it?

2054
01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:59.100
It's, yeah, it's, it's something like, um, the...

2055
01:31:00.420 --> 01:31:03.659
It's like the devil and Jesus getting organise a boxing fight or

2056
01:31:03.659 --> 01:31:04.140
something.

2057
01:31:04.739 --> 01:31:08.340
You know, they're going to have like a boxing match to decide who

2058
01:31:08.340 --> 01:31:15.539
gets the earth and Jesus is bottling it, basically, so one of the

2059
01:31:15.539 --> 01:31:18.600
one of the little kids stand up, Eric, or someone, you know, gives

2060
01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:22.319
does that line, you know, and say, does it in fun and he's like

2061
01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:22.739
who said that?

2062
01:31:22.739 --> 01:31:23.399
You did.

2063
01:31:23.460 --> 01:31:26.699
You know, and he goes off and say, did he really say that?

2064
01:31:26.760 --> 01:31:28.260
He's like, no, of course not, with Star Trek.

2065
01:31:29.039 --> 01:31:33.479
I mean, like take the Mickey out of this film wonderfully in Deep

2066
01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:38.640
Space 9, in the scene coming up in a minute, because Quark, has

2067
01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:43.020
enough of the Frankie society changing and goes, the line must be

2068
01:31:43.020 --> 01:31:43.619
drawn here.

2069
01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:46.079
This bar, don't matter.

2070
01:31:46.619 --> 01:31:49.140
Oh, this bit, yeah.

2071
01:31:49.199 --> 01:31:50.220
Worf and Picard.

2072
01:31:50.279 --> 01:31:52.020
This is stunningly good.

2073
01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:53.819
It's really good, isn't it?

2074
01:31:53.880 --> 01:31:57.659
It's actually the sort of scene you wouldn't have had.

2075
01:31:57.720 --> 01:31:58.920
No, next year.

2076
01:31:58.979 --> 01:31:59.880
It's not too often anyway.

2077
01:31:59.939 --> 01:32:01.199
This is where you're not.

2078
01:32:01.260 --> 01:32:02.819
This is not what you'll get on television.

2079
01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:06.600
This is proper movie level. you know character work.

2080
01:32:06.720 --> 01:32:12.300
Except I think that Picard comes across as maybe more petty than

2081
01:32:12.300 --> 01:32:13.140
he should.

2082
01:32:13.140 --> 01:32:14.460
Do you know what I mean?

2083
01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:20.579
Like it, like, yeah, like his character is degenerating and, you

2084
01:32:20.579 --> 01:32:23.579
know, we see him being nasty to wharf and stuff like that.

2085
01:32:24.359 --> 01:32:28.079
But it seems just a little bit too petty, I think.

2086
01:32:28.140 --> 01:32:30.899
I mean, it's wonderful seeing the 2 of them go at it together, you

2087
01:32:30.899 --> 01:32:31.140
know.

2088
01:32:31.199 --> 01:32:34.079
I think, I think the whole scene's really well played because

2089
01:32:34.079 --> 01:32:37.199
you've got sort of like dynamics with the crew, the crew that's

2090
01:32:37.199 --> 01:32:40.500
left on the ship is, you know, Wharf and Beverly and Wharf's

2091
01:32:40.500 --> 01:32:43.020
prepared to stand up when Beverly's like, nope, the captain's made

2092
01:32:43.020 --> 01:32:45.720
his mind up, once the captain's made his mind up, and so it takes

2093
01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:49.619
this character of Liddy to go in there and say, bullshit.

2094
01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:51.899
Oh, wonderful.

2095
01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:52.619
Wonderful.

2096
01:32:53.460 --> 01:32:57.119
We needed someone like her on the Enterprise, the whole series.

2097
01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:01.560
That, you know, and again, it's kind of like the benefit of having

2098
01:33:01.560 --> 01:33:04.260
this, not just for the audience, but for the plot itself that

2099
01:33:04.260 --> 01:33:07.380
you'd have someone that is, you know, goes in, doesn't realise

2100
01:33:07.380 --> 01:33:08.760
that's the captain's chair or anything.

2101
01:33:08.819 --> 01:33:12.300
There's no pump or circumstance whatsoever.

2102
01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:15.060
It's just like this man is gone batshit.

2103
01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:15.960
He's gone too far.

2104
01:33:16.020 --> 01:33:19.859
He has crossed the lane, so I am now going to do something about

2105
01:33:19.859 --> 01:33:20.159
it.

2106
01:33:20.220 --> 01:33:22.619
And in she goes and tears them in your arse, and it's just

2107
01:33:22.619 --> 01:33:22.979
fantastic.

2108
01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:27.300
Imagine her in those early TNG episodes. symbiosis, for example.

2109
01:33:27.359 --> 01:33:30.899
She could just walk into his ready room and go, you're going to do

2110
01:33:30.899 --> 01:33:31.319
what?

2111
01:33:31.380 --> 01:33:34.500
Leave that entire planet of drug withdrawing people.

2112
01:33:34.619 --> 01:33:36.239
Bullshit, Jean-Luc.

2113
01:33:36.300 --> 01:33:37.020
You know?

2114
01:33:37.079 --> 01:33:38.220
You would have been great.

2115
01:33:38.279 --> 01:33:41.579
Well, we do fix that in lower decks, remember?

2116
01:33:41.640 --> 01:33:44.939
We fix it in discovery with Giorjo.

2117
01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:46.920
She often points out that...

2118
01:33:46.979 --> 01:33:48.659
But this is really good.

2119
01:33:48.659 --> 01:33:54.359
And what I really like is that the, it's the Moby Dick reference

2120
01:33:54.359 --> 01:33:55.979
which I think is really, really good.

2121
01:33:56.039 --> 01:34:00.119
Um, yeah, see what she says bullshit too?

2122
01:34:00.180 --> 01:34:04.260
She says he says in my century we don't do revenge and she just

2123
01:34:04.260 --> 01:34:06.779
goes, you know, bullshit.

2124
01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:07.800
I've seen you.

2125
01:34:07.859 --> 01:34:09.479
You know, I saw what was happening.

2126
01:34:09.539 --> 01:34:11.699
I've watched the Raff of Khan, all right?

2127
01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:13.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2128
01:34:14.279 --> 01:34:15.899
Oh, what?

2129
01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:16.619
You kill him?

2130
01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:18.420
Yeah, it's really good.

2131
01:34:18.479 --> 01:34:19.380
She's so good.

2132
01:34:19.439 --> 01:34:20.579
It's so great.

2133
01:34:20.640 --> 01:34:22.979
She doesn't give him an inch, does she?

2134
01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:25.260
She doesn't flinch or anything.

2135
01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:26.640
He comes right for her.

2136
01:34:26.760 --> 01:34:30.000
And you think she's up against Patrick Stewart.

2137
01:34:30.060 --> 01:34:33.659
And I mean, this sort of scene shows you what an absolute feigned

2138
01:34:33.659 --> 01:34:37.680
Patrick Stewart was to get onto this shore to get to the point

2139
01:34:37.680 --> 01:34:41.939
where we're in this film and we've got them doing some proper

2140
01:34:41.939 --> 01:34:45.119
theatrical work now.

2141
01:34:45.180 --> 01:34:48.840
He is absolutely going for it, but she is toe to toe with them.

2142
01:34:48.899 --> 01:34:50.760
She's absolutely good.

2143
01:34:50.819 --> 01:34:52.199
She's so how he goes.

2144
01:34:52.260 --> 01:34:55.199
They would have ever imagined he would have been able to do this

2145
01:34:55.199 --> 01:34:57.659
after those 1st 2 seasons of TNG.

2146
01:34:57.720 --> 01:34:59.939
Thank God he stuck around.

2147
01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:04.319
You know, Fraser, he didn't unpack his suitcase for 2 years before

2148
01:35:04.319 --> 01:35:06.000
he was coming back to India. saying that.

2149
01:35:07.800 --> 01:35:12.420
So the thing I like about the Moby Dick reference is, remember he

2150
01:35:12.420 --> 01:35:15.180
she says sort of, you know, Captain Ahab, she calls him Captain

2151
01:35:15.180 --> 01:35:17.100
Ahab, and he goes, what?

2152
01:35:17.159 --> 01:35:20.460
And she says, oh, you don't have books in the future, which I

2153
01:35:20.460 --> 01:35:23.279
think is actually a great thing to say to Picard.

2154
01:35:23.399 --> 01:35:29.460
And then when it hits, like when it actually hits, he quotes from

2155
01:35:29.460 --> 01:35:33.659
Moby Dick, because of course he's Picard and he's read it, and

2156
01:35:33.659 --> 01:35:39.000
it's a beautifully well chosen, um, quote, about the rage that

2157
01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:44.100
Ahab feels as he's attacking the, the, you know, the whale, exactly

2158
01:35:44.100 --> 01:35:48.779
the rage that he was showing with the, with the submachine gun in

2159
01:35:48.779 --> 01:35:49.859
in the holodeck.

2160
01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:51.779
You know, it's so well done.

2161
01:35:51.840 --> 01:35:56.220
And then, and then she, she admits that she's never read Roman

2162
01:35:56.220 --> 01:36:00.239
Moby Dick because no one has, which I just think is wonderful.

2163
01:36:00.300 --> 01:36:00.840
It's so good.

2164
01:36:00.899 --> 01:36:05.399
I like the violence of the smashing of the glass as well, because

2165
01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:06.600
that's what we would never do.

2166
01:36:06.659 --> 01:36:09.600
They wouldn't destroy the set in next generation.

2167
01:36:09.659 --> 01:36:13.380
And we broke the little ship like we broke the Enterprise D. Yeah.

2168
01:36:14.220 --> 01:36:16.380
See you around, Ahab.

2169
01:36:16.439 --> 01:36:20.579
It's that lane where it's, um, you know, I will make them pay for

2170
01:36:20.579 --> 01:36:25.979
what they've done to me, basically. over yourself, Jean-Luc.

2171
01:36:26.039 --> 01:36:28.680
And yeah, he comes with his...

2172
01:36:28.739 --> 01:36:31.140
His chest had been a cannon, he would have shot his heart upon

2173
01:36:31.140 --> 01:36:31.380
it.

2174
01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:35.640
You know, that's exactly what we saw in the holodeck and he's

2175
01:36:35.640 --> 01:36:36.359
realised.

2176
01:36:36.479 --> 01:36:43.560
Yeah, I'd never read it. like Of course.

2177
01:36:43.619 --> 01:36:46.560
And then he smiles, like, that's great.

2178
01:36:46.619 --> 01:36:47.520
That's...

2179
01:36:47.640 --> 01:36:49.560
Why didn't they keep her around for the next 2 movies?

2180
01:36:49.619 --> 01:36:50.699
She's so good.

2181
01:36:50.760 --> 01:36:52.800
But he wouldn't, she wouldn't have done it.

2182
01:36:52.859 --> 01:36:56.460
But what I think is great is normally this is the sort of scene

2183
01:36:56.460 --> 01:37:00.539
that Star Trek just fucks up, you know, like, because the actors

2184
01:37:00.539 --> 01:37:04.920
aren't up to it, the dialogue is usually, you know, too leaden and

2185
01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:06.659
too lacking in subtext.

2186
01:37:06.720 --> 01:37:09.420
You know these are the scenes that just tend to not work very

2187
01:37:09.420 --> 01:37:09.779
well.

2188
01:37:09.899 --> 01:37:11.939
But this does.

2189
01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:14.760
This is really good, I think. give you an example.

2190
01:37:14.819 --> 01:37:18.960
That's an example in DS9, where I can't say the, what is it, inter

2191
01:37:18.960 --> 01:37:19.439
armour?

2192
01:37:19.500 --> 01:37:20.340
How do you say it, Nathan?

2193
01:37:20.399 --> 01:37:21.960
They get it wrong.

2194
01:37:22.020 --> 01:37:24.420
Sealant Legos, I think.

2195
01:37:24.420 --> 01:37:28.800
I know, but CDIG just trips up on the how to say that.

2196
01:37:28.800 --> 01:37:33.180
And then he just goes, in times of war, the laws fall silent or

2197
01:37:33.180 --> 01:37:33.539
something.

2198
01:37:33.600 --> 01:37:34.920
It's so terrible.

2199
01:37:35.220 --> 01:37:40.500
It's the sort of scene that you don't get in blockbuster films, you

2200
01:37:40.500 --> 01:37:42.359
know, vague sci-fi, blockbuster films.

2201
01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:43.500
You just don't get them.

2202
01:37:43.560 --> 01:37:45.659
And it's the sort of thing now.

2203
01:37:45.720 --> 01:37:49.140
This is the sort of scene where if they put that in like a Star

2204
01:37:49.140 --> 01:37:52.500
Wars film, you know, the fanboys were absolutely shitbricks about

2205
01:37:52.500 --> 01:37:52.680
it.

2206
01:37:52.739 --> 01:37:55.800
You know, we're not just fighting people, like same as, you know

2207
01:37:55.800 --> 01:37:59.100
it's, you know, it's, we are so, I think we're so lucky to have

2208
01:37:59.100 --> 01:38:02.939
this film with that particular scene in it that we can have

2209
01:38:02.939 --> 01:38:08.579
something that is so entertaining, but goes on in so hard in such

2210
01:38:08.579 --> 01:38:11.220
good character work and is performed so well by these actors.

2211
01:38:11.279 --> 01:38:13.979
Almost the inverse of my complaint, you know, where I was saying

2212
01:38:13.979 --> 01:38:15.119
this doesn't feel like a movie.

2213
01:38:15.180 --> 01:38:19.920
That's Star Trek impinging on the movie now in a really positive

2214
01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:20.640
way, you know?

2215
01:38:21.539 --> 01:38:25.560
Just to point out to you now, Jule, what's happening is they've

2216
01:38:25.560 --> 01:38:26.460
set the self-destruct.

2217
01:38:26.520 --> 01:38:27.779
Oh, thank you.

2218
01:38:27.840 --> 01:38:29.340
I don't know what.

2219
01:38:29.399 --> 01:38:32.220
I did make a few cups of tea, so I'm wondering, I did have a lot

2220
01:38:32.220 --> 01:38:32.520
of time.

2221
01:38:32.579 --> 01:38:36.779
So I may have left the room at this point. left the room. the ball

2222
01:38:36.779 --> 01:38:39.840
scene that I have just eulogised so much.

2223
01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:41.760
You were out having a brew, you top.

2224
01:38:41.819 --> 01:38:42.600
Possibly, yeah.

2225
01:38:44.340 --> 01:38:45.960
There was no balls on the screen, you know?

2226
01:38:47.819 --> 01:38:49.439
Here we go.

2227
01:38:49.500 --> 01:38:51.119
So much for the enterprisey.

2228
01:38:51.180 --> 01:38:53.399
Sorry, we can't blow it up.

2229
01:38:53.460 --> 01:38:54.840
We've just built the fucking sense.

2230
01:38:55.020 --> 01:38:57.840
End of the day, there's still plenty letters left in the

2231
01:38:57.840 --> 01:38:58.260
alphabet.

2232
01:38:58.319 --> 01:39:01.140
I love that line as well. love that line.

2233
01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.800
There's something about the future of the franchise, you know.

2234
01:39:04.859 --> 01:39:07.560
Yes, we've had the Enterprise G now, I think.

2235
01:39:07.619 --> 01:39:08.699
Why was the enterprise?

2236
01:39:08.699 --> 01:39:09.479
Don't apologise.

2237
01:39:09.539 --> 01:39:10.680
Oh, I love this as well.

2238
01:39:10.739 --> 01:39:12.539
It's just apologising.

2239
01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:14.699
Yeah, yeah, Picard.

2240
01:39:14.699 --> 01:39:17.699
I regret some of the things I said and he just goes, some.

2241
01:39:17.819 --> 01:39:18.479
Some.

2242
01:39:18.479 --> 01:39:23.460
It's a proper manager's apology, isn't it?

2243
01:39:23.520 --> 01:39:28.619
This is the same writers that Rowe Enterprise series one.

2244
01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:33.060
How is the dialogue so on point here and so terrible there.

2245
01:39:33.119 --> 01:39:34.319
I don't understand.

2246
01:39:35.880 --> 01:39:39.359
Yeah, I would like to think so because there's a golf.

2247
01:39:39.420 --> 01:39:41.159
Yeah, yeah.

2248
01:39:42.359 --> 01:39:43.739
Yes.

2249
01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:47.819
Standing alone, they all get this moment, don't they, when they

2250
01:39:47.819 --> 01:39:48.840
think they're going to lose the ship.

2251
01:39:48.899 --> 01:39:53.279
No, but some of them where he remembers data, doesn't he?

2252
01:39:53.340 --> 01:39:55.439
It's the scene where he remembers data, like he hears.

2253
01:39:55.500 --> 01:39:57.420
He has data's voice.

2254
01:39:57.420 --> 01:39:58.800
Because no daughter?

2255
01:39:58.859 --> 01:40:02.819
No, so daughter, data is no fully shocked up with the ball.

2256
01:40:02.880 --> 01:40:04.199
G, g, g, g, g.

2257
01:40:04.739 --> 01:40:07.380
I'd forgotten that character existed.

2258
01:40:10.260 --> 01:40:13.680
He would have come in Andy, whilst the Borg were attacking.

2259
01:40:14.460 --> 01:40:18.359
If only someone got them to lock out the Enterprise computers or

2260
01:40:18.359 --> 01:40:20.460
something like that, that would have been a really nifty plot

2261
01:40:20.460 --> 01:40:20.880
device.

2262
01:40:20.939 --> 01:40:21.840
Do you know what?

2263
01:40:21.840 --> 01:40:26.100
We did have that wonderful scene with Marina Drunk, but she has

2264
01:40:26.100 --> 01:40:28.319
not been in this movie now for about an hour.

2265
01:40:28.380 --> 01:40:29.939
She was just in a bin.

2266
01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:31.560
She had a...

2267
01:40:31.619 --> 01:40:34.920
Literally there, but she's not been in it before that for about an

2268
01:40:34.920 --> 01:40:35.159
hour.

2269
01:40:35.220 --> 01:40:36.000
That's not right.

2270
01:40:36.060 --> 01:40:37.439
Give the women something to do.

2271
01:40:37.500 --> 01:40:39.359
Doesn't she look fabulous?

2272
01:40:39.539 --> 01:40:42.899
Although, mind you, in insurrection, when they're going on about

2273
01:40:42.899 --> 01:40:43.920
their boobs firm enough.

2274
01:40:43.979 --> 01:40:46.979
Maybe we shouldn't be having them in the movie.

2275
01:40:47.039 --> 01:40:48.600
They're going to dialogue like that.

2276
01:40:48.659 --> 01:40:53.159
Oh my god, look. true TNG now.

2277
01:40:53.220 --> 01:40:54.119
Rock for Schleit.

2278
01:40:54.180 --> 01:40:54.479
Come on.

2279
01:40:54.539 --> 01:40:55.439
Never move.

2280
01:40:56.039 --> 01:40:58.079
Oh, but look at that.

2281
01:40:58.140 --> 01:40:59.100
Look at that effect shot.

2282
01:40:59.159 --> 01:41:00.659
Yeah, that is pretty great.

2283
01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:01.739
That's pretty good.

2284
01:41:01.800 --> 01:41:03.539
You know, that's very phallic, isn't it?

2285
01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:04.560
It is.

2286
01:41:04.619 --> 01:41:07.439
That's like you 2 looking at the ball queen.

2287
01:41:10.500 --> 01:41:11.819
Sorry.

2288
01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:18.960
Lavar's going, I thought we were done with this shit.

2289
01:41:19.020 --> 01:41:20.520
We're doing a movie.

2290
01:41:22.439 --> 01:41:28.079
But it's we might be saying about like, you know, Phantom Menace

2291
01:41:28.079 --> 01:41:29.279
is coming up in a couple of years.

2292
01:41:29.340 --> 01:41:33.000
You know, you look at this where they are actually in a set being

2293
01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:33.840
rocked.

2294
01:41:33.899 --> 01:41:35.640
You know, so New York, yeah.

2295
01:41:35.699 --> 01:41:37.739
We can tell what's happening, but it looks realistic.

2296
01:41:37.739 --> 01:41:39.960
You compare with Attack of the Clones, you know, that bit at the

2297
01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:41.819
end where the 3 of them are on that.

2298
01:41:41.880 --> 01:41:47.340
Oh, yeah. dinosaur thing after the thing and you know, it looks

2299
01:41:47.340 --> 01:41:47.880
terrible.

2300
01:41:48.060 --> 01:41:51.479
There is really something to be said about, you know, these

2301
01:41:51.479 --> 01:41:53.579
physical sets and these physical effects.

2302
01:41:53.640 --> 01:41:56.340
Did you see that special effects shot, then, are that opening up?

2303
01:41:56.399 --> 01:41:58.560
I just had faith of the heart going through my head.

2304
01:41:58.619 --> 01:41:59.880
Yes, exactly.

2305
01:41:59.939 --> 01:42:01.380
God be.

2306
01:42:01.560 --> 01:42:04.920
I mean, that's that's where they get it from, isn't it?

2307
01:42:04.979 --> 01:42:06.659
Like that's where they get it.

2308
01:42:06.899 --> 01:42:10.979
All of these physical buttons, all of these lights, all of these

2309
01:42:10.979 --> 01:42:12.060
switches and stuff.

2310
01:42:12.119 --> 01:42:14.880
Then when they tried to do it to the Delta Flyer, they kind of

2311
01:42:14.880 --> 01:42:17.100
went, these panels are boring and we're just going to put switches

2312
01:42:17.100 --> 01:42:19.020
in the Delta Flyer for no reason.

2313
01:42:19.079 --> 01:42:21.119
It always looked really dumb and tokenistic.

2314
01:42:21.180 --> 01:42:25.079
But they've decided, you know, that, that's what they want to go

2315
01:42:25.079 --> 01:42:27.899
for when they do their next, their next show.

2316
01:42:27.960 --> 01:42:28.800
So...

2317
01:42:28.920 --> 01:42:31.199
I mean, let's not forget as well.

2318
01:42:31.260 --> 01:42:35.100
Enterprise took the 1st contact scene and did that wonderful

2319
01:42:35.100 --> 01:42:36.899
reversal of it.

2320
01:42:36.899 --> 01:42:40.979
In the alternative universe episode where Zeko got from murdered.

2321
01:42:41.039 --> 01:42:42.960
The Vulcans.

2322
01:42:44.039 --> 01:42:47.939
Oh, it was glorious and we didn't get to say Enterprise was

2323
01:42:47.939 --> 01:42:48.659
glorious very often.

2324
01:42:48.720 --> 01:42:51.600
They do the music and everything. really good.

2325
01:42:51.659 --> 01:42:53.279
They just do that scene.

2326
01:42:53.340 --> 01:42:53.939
It's so good.

2327
01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:55.260
You're right.

2328
01:42:55.380 --> 01:42:57.359
This has inspired a lot, hasn't it?

2329
01:42:57.420 --> 01:43:02.039
Like, because really, we haven't done Bork action like this

2330
01:43:02.039 --> 01:43:02.579
before.

2331
01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:06.119
But after this, we do it all the time.

2332
01:43:06.119 --> 01:43:09.180
And you've got all the sets that they've built all the props, all

2333
01:43:09.180 --> 01:43:11.039
of the new Borg costumes and stuff.

2334
01:43:11.100 --> 01:43:15.239
So when Voyager does the book, they don't look as kind of low

2335
01:43:15.239 --> 01:43:18.119
effort as they do in Star Trek the Next Generation.

2336
01:43:18.239 --> 01:43:21.899
I don't think they're literally going, right, let's do this movie

2337
01:43:21.899 --> 01:43:25.800
and we can have loads of stuff built for our TV shows.

2338
01:43:25.859 --> 01:43:27.239
Oh, almost certainly they are.

2339
01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:27.960
Wow.

2340
01:43:28.079 --> 01:43:30.000
Yeah, I suppose that makes sense.

2341
01:43:30.060 --> 01:43:31.920
They're the production team.

2342
01:43:31.979 --> 01:43:36.180
You know, they know that they can drop a lot of money here and

2343
01:43:36.180 --> 01:43:39.600
then have more ties it over, you know, the next, however many

2344
01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:41.100
series of Voyager.

2345
01:43:41.159 --> 01:43:43.560
That's why it just feels like an episode though.

2346
01:43:43.619 --> 01:43:44.819
It's the production team.

2347
01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:47.760
Maybe it should not have been the production team, Ryan.

2348
01:43:47.819 --> 01:43:48.359
Yeah.

2349
01:43:48.420 --> 01:43:49.560
That is part of the problem.

2350
01:43:49.619 --> 01:43:53.939
It was always going to, and that's not the problem in original

2351
01:43:53.939 --> 01:43:54.539
track.

2352
01:43:54.600 --> 01:43:55.500
Do you know what I mean?

2353
01:43:55.560 --> 01:43:56.939
Where the production team...

2354
01:43:56.939 --> 01:43:59.399
Nicholas Meyer comes in.

2355
01:43:59.460 --> 01:44:00.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2356
01:44:00.659 --> 01:44:03.539
Because I think Moya does 2 and 6, right?

2357
01:44:03.600 --> 01:44:04.500
doesn't he?

2358
01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:05.340
Yes.

2359
01:44:05.399 --> 01:44:07.140
Which are both brilliant.

2360
01:44:07.199 --> 01:44:08.640
And four. and four.

2361
01:44:09.000 --> 01:44:10.560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2362
01:44:12.180 --> 01:44:15.479
Okay, Picard and the ball queen now, yeah?

2363
01:44:15.539 --> 01:44:16.140
Yeah.

2364
01:44:16.199 --> 01:44:19.560
So, and we had that scene earlier, the sort of highest scene where

2365
01:44:19.560 --> 01:44:21.840
they said, well, we've got to go into the thing and we've got to

2366
01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:24.659
break one of the coolant tubes.

2367
01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:29.939
Um, and it, we see the thing with a little emblem on it.

2368
01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:31.979
So it's actually pointed out to us.

2369
01:44:32.039 --> 01:44:35.699
So we actually are not surprised by the way this is resolved that

2370
01:44:35.699 --> 01:44:37.319
is all properly set up earlier.

2371
01:44:37.800 --> 01:44:40.319
It's Chekhov's coolant.

2372
01:44:40.380 --> 01:44:42.899
It is...

2373
01:44:43.020 --> 01:44:44.340
But at least it's been set up, you know?

2374
01:44:44.399 --> 01:44:45.720
Oh, here she is.

2375
01:44:45.779 --> 01:44:47.760
Look, your gunky sex fixer.

2376
01:44:49.380 --> 01:44:52.079
Does she start coming on to Picard?

2377
01:44:52.140 --> 01:44:53.579
Maybe I'll switched off at this point.

2378
01:44:55.199 --> 01:44:57.239
I can't handle it.

2379
01:44:57.300 --> 01:45:03.300
So, like, the Borg queen in Picard series 2 is not as oily as

2380
01:45:03.300 --> 01:45:03.720
this.

2381
01:45:03.779 --> 01:45:07.500
Um, and she isn't sexy.

2382
01:45:07.500 --> 01:45:08.699
Like, she doesn't...

2383
01:45:08.699 --> 01:45:10.380
She's funny about that.

2384
01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:11.819
She's very funny.

2385
01:45:11.880 --> 01:45:12.479
She's awesome.

2386
01:45:12.600 --> 01:45:13.560
She's good.

2387
01:45:13.619 --> 01:45:15.600
Oh, what a loss that actress was.

2388
01:45:15.659 --> 01:45:16.500
She was so great.

2389
01:45:16.560 --> 01:45:17.340
She's one role.

2390
01:45:17.399 --> 01:45:19.199
Although, you know what?

2391
01:45:19.260 --> 01:45:22.439
I will say something for Susanna Thompson, who's a bit more vacant

2392
01:45:22.439 --> 01:45:26.039
than both of them in the role, but when she's going up against

2393
01:45:26.039 --> 01:45:30.300
Kate Mulgrew and Jerry Ryan, those scenes are wonderful.

2394
01:45:30.359 --> 01:45:33.720
So, I mean, she had been in it.

2395
01:45:33.779 --> 01:45:37.439
She, you know, guessed it on plenty of Star Trek at that point.

2396
01:45:37.500 --> 01:45:39.479
She's on episodes.

2397
01:45:39.539 --> 01:45:40.020
Yeah, yeah.

2398
01:45:40.079 --> 01:45:41.579
She is in a few episodes of the...

2399
01:45:41.640 --> 01:45:43.140
She's the love interest in rejoined.

2400
01:45:43.199 --> 01:45:44.039
We've Dax.

2401
01:45:44.100 --> 01:45:44.640
Oh, okay.

2402
01:45:44.699 --> 01:45:45.420
I didn't know that.

2403
01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:45.899
Okay.

2404
01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:47.520
Now that is a sex.

2405
01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:50.520
Because she's in frame of mind and she's in a few things like

2406
01:45:50.520 --> 01:45:52.439
she's done it before.

2407
01:45:53.760 --> 01:45:58.500
Yeah, so this, where we kind of wreck Connie, where he's aware of

2408
01:45:58.500 --> 01:45:59.100
her.

2409
01:45:59.159 --> 01:46:03.840
He recognises her and that his job was to be her consort, and I do

2410
01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:07.500
kind of like the twist, where it's like he's going to be a drone.

2411
01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:08.760
He'll make an excellent drone.

2412
01:46:08.819 --> 01:46:14.279
I think data says just to, uh, um, you know, throw him off the

2413
01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:18.479
sand so he doesn't realise that, uh, so she doesn't realise that

2414
01:46:18.479 --> 01:46:19.739
he's about to betray her.

2415
01:46:19.800 --> 01:46:23.340
It's one of the unfortunate things about innovation though, isn't

2416
01:46:23.340 --> 01:46:23.460
it?

2417
01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:26.039
It's like, how have we never heard of this character before?

2418
01:46:26.100 --> 01:46:27.239
The ball queen.

2419
01:46:27.300 --> 01:46:30.600
You just think until 3 dimensional, you jewel, that's your

2420
01:46:30.600 --> 01:46:30.840
problem.

2421
01:46:30.899 --> 01:46:34.500
No, no, no, but like it's a good innovation and they, they, they're

2422
01:46:34.500 --> 01:46:38.159
doing new things and that's good, but there is that lingering like

2423
01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:41.100
ah, the best of both worlds, you know, she wasn't involved there.

2424
01:46:41.159 --> 01:46:44.640
No, but he's kind of, he says that he's sort of aware of her.

2425
01:46:44.699 --> 01:46:51.119
Like he recognises her. and sort of senses that she was behind

2426
01:46:51.119 --> 01:46:51.659
things.

2427
01:46:51.720 --> 01:46:54.960
I mean, the idea is that they're an ant colony. you know, they're

2428
01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:59.399
you social, you know, that they're not, they're a hive, that's the

2429
01:46:59.399 --> 01:47:00.359
term that we use.

2430
01:47:00.420 --> 01:47:04.020
And so she's the queen, like that kind of makes sense.

2431
01:47:04.380 --> 01:47:08.520
You know, as soon as you say a queen, then it makes perfect sense

2432
01:47:08.520 --> 01:47:11.760
with, let you say, that hive mind of the Borg, that there would be

2433
01:47:11.760 --> 01:47:16.800
one single person above and beyond all these drones.

2434
01:47:16.920 --> 01:47:18.960
Is it answer is it bees?

2435
01:47:19.079 --> 01:47:20.039
Both.

2436
01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:21.479
Oh.

2437
01:47:21.539 --> 01:47:22.020
Yeah.

2438
01:47:22.380 --> 01:47:23.760
Yeah.

2439
01:47:23.819 --> 01:47:27.420
But I mean, the Borg, the queen of an ant colony of the queen of a

2440
01:47:27.420 --> 01:47:28.979
b colony doesn't order everyone around.

2441
01:47:29.039 --> 01:47:32.159
You know, isn't the organising principle or anything like that.

2442
01:47:32.220 --> 01:47:36.300
And it, and it, so it, it does just work.

2443
01:47:36.359 --> 01:47:40.619
And obviously they found that it was impossible to do this without

2444
01:47:40.619 --> 01:47:45.300
giving the Borg an actor to be the Borg.

2445
01:47:45.359 --> 01:47:45.960
Do you know what I mean?

2446
01:47:46.020 --> 01:47:47.579
We need a voice.

2447
01:47:47.579 --> 01:47:48.119
Exactly.

2448
01:47:48.180 --> 01:47:48.659
Exactly.

2449
01:47:48.720 --> 01:47:50.939
You do need that, don't you?

2450
01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:54.420
Because otherwise it's just, you know, the Borg is just drones.

2451
01:47:54.479 --> 01:47:57.239
There's nothing to really for anyone to play off.

2452
01:47:57.239 --> 01:48:01.199
And, you know, so we've talked about the A plot and the B plot, but

2453
01:48:01.199 --> 01:48:01.560
we do this.

2454
01:48:01.560 --> 01:48:06.840
There's a C plot of data in the queen, you know, which adds more

2455
01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:08.220
dimension, it fleshes it out.

2456
01:48:08.279 --> 01:48:11.039
It gives it a bit more richness than, you know, if we didn't have

2457
01:48:11.039 --> 01:48:11.880
this boar queen.

2458
01:48:11.939 --> 01:48:15.239
I think it could possibly be quite flattened steel.

2459
01:48:15.300 --> 01:48:19.500
We say that the D-plot then is Picard and Alfred Woodhouse

2460
01:48:19.500 --> 01:48:22.619
character, because that is a running threat.

2461
01:48:22.739 --> 01:48:25.500
Well, that's kind of the B plot, I think, isn't it, essentially

2462
01:48:25.500 --> 01:48:26.640
what's happening on the ship?

2463
01:48:26.699 --> 01:48:30.960
Like, you've got, you've got what, what's Riker and Geordie doing

2464
01:48:30.960 --> 01:48:38.399
with thing, what's Picard and Alfred Woodard doing and what is

2465
01:48:38.399 --> 01:48:39.539
Data and the Queen doing.

2466
01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:41.340
So it's essentially 3 plots, I think.

2467
01:48:41.399 --> 01:48:45.359
I do think they try to address the ensemble thing in the next film

2468
01:48:45.359 --> 01:48:45.600
though.

2469
01:48:45.659 --> 01:48:49.859
So obviously the next film is far less in scope.

2470
01:48:49.979 --> 01:48:54.359
It's down on that planet and they do give all the regulars more to

2471
01:48:54.359 --> 01:48:55.439
do in that film.

2472
01:48:55.560 --> 01:48:58.439
There's more sort of character humour and more stuff.

2473
01:48:58.500 --> 01:49:01.979
Because in it, like, you know, Beverly and Troy haven't done

2474
01:49:01.979 --> 01:49:02.640
anything.

2475
01:49:02.760 --> 01:49:05.460
At least they get to talk about their boobs next time.

2476
01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:06.420
So there's that.

2477
01:49:06.479 --> 01:49:07.020
That is true.

2478
01:49:08.039 --> 01:49:10.380
What are their boobs firm enough?

2479
01:49:10.439 --> 01:49:14.159
Because they're getting younger or something because of the planet

2480
01:49:14.159 --> 01:49:14.640
remember?

2481
01:49:14.699 --> 01:49:18.899
The, I mean, this, the problem is that Star Trek, the Next

2482
01:49:18.899 --> 01:49:23.579
Generation is a TV show and it's not a film and, you know, like

2483
01:49:23.579 --> 01:49:28.500
what happens is that everyone, there's a Beverly episode and then

2484
01:49:28.500 --> 01:49:31.380
there's a Troy episode and then there's a, you know, and that's

2485
01:49:31.380 --> 01:49:32.520
how they managed to do that.

2486
01:49:32.579 --> 01:49:37.739
When you've got 7 main characters, you know, you end up

2487
01:49:37.739 --> 01:49:42.539
concentrating on the, on basically Picard and data, don't you?

2488
01:49:42.600 --> 01:49:44.340
And that's what happens in all.

2489
01:49:44.399 --> 01:49:45.180
Oh, that's how it goes.

2490
01:49:45.239 --> 01:49:47.819
I mean, we've had, you know, Picard and Data in generations.

2491
01:49:47.880 --> 01:49:49.619
We get Picard and data in this one now.

2492
01:49:49.680 --> 01:49:51.720
It's there's a lot of Picard in.

2493
01:49:51.779 --> 01:49:54.300
The next one, not as much deal, but it's very Picard, heavy men.

2494
01:49:54.300 --> 01:49:55.739
No, no, no.

2495
01:49:55.800 --> 01:49:57.779
Dennis, again, it's recording, it's data.

2496
01:49:57.899 --> 01:50:02.100
So it's, it's, it's the obvious choice because, you know, data is

2497
01:50:02.100 --> 01:50:04.800
the more compelling character, Picard is obviously the captain.

2498
01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:08.039
It's the obvious choice to focus on those too, but you do feel you

2499
01:50:08.039 --> 01:50:10.500
kind of miss something by not having a film that focusses more

2500
01:50:10.500 --> 01:50:12.899
perhaps on Riker or...

2501
01:50:12.960 --> 01:50:15.600
You know, I mean, they're in there.

2502
01:50:15.659 --> 01:50:18.479
There's elements in there, but if the focus, if you had like a

2503
01:50:18.479 --> 01:50:19.800
real sort of ranker focussed one.

2504
01:50:19.859 --> 01:50:23.399
If they made the move to have a whole movie just based on Troy and

2505
01:50:23.399 --> 01:50:26.880
Dr. Beverly, the respects I would have for them to give them

2506
01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:30.600
40000000 for Troy and Beverly.

2507
01:50:30.659 --> 01:50:35.699
But, I mean, I remember at the time feeling a little bit sad that

2508
01:50:35.699 --> 01:50:39.420
I would never have, you know, 26 episodes of this stupid show

2509
01:50:39.420 --> 01:50:44.100
every year and everyone would get a go that all we're going to

2510
01:50:44.100 --> 01:50:44.399
get.

2511
01:50:44.460 --> 01:50:47.279
We'll get these, you know, great visuals and stuff like that and

2512
01:50:47.279 --> 01:50:48.239
some character things.

2513
01:50:48.300 --> 01:50:51.539
Like this is still a talky Star Trek film, but there's just not

2514
01:50:51.539 --> 01:50:54.840
time for all of the people to get a proper role.

2515
01:50:54.899 --> 01:50:55.140
You know?

2516
01:50:55.800 --> 01:50:56.460
worry about it.

2517
01:50:56.520 --> 01:50:58.020
There's still DS9 on at the point.

2518
01:50:58.079 --> 01:51:00.899
Well, you know, Voyagers on at the same time.

2519
01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:02.220
Like there's plenty of...

2520
01:51:02.220 --> 01:51:03.119
Enterprise is coming.

2521
01:51:03.180 --> 01:51:04.319
Yeah, yeah.

2522
01:51:04.380 --> 01:51:06.539
War, yes. absolutely absolutely.

2523
01:51:06.600 --> 01:51:08.340
Look at all this look.

2524
01:51:08.399 --> 01:51:12.539
Picard Buff hanging there with his muscles bulging, the war course

2525
01:51:12.539 --> 01:51:13.380
exploded.

2526
01:51:14.039 --> 01:51:15.420
I love I love this bit coming up.

2527
01:51:15.479 --> 01:51:18.180
You know, you've got the...

2528
01:51:18.180 --> 01:51:25.140
You know, the Queen's melting, the, um, the bald or, disco

2529
01:51:25.140 --> 01:51:25.979
themselves to death.

2530
01:51:26.039 --> 01:51:29.760
You've got Picard, who's, who's, Picard's got full Bruce Willis

2531
01:51:29.760 --> 01:51:31.979
now, if we didn't know it was die hard with zombies in space, we

2532
01:51:31.979 --> 01:51:35.399
do now because, because in his vest, he's grimy, he's sweaty, he's

2533
01:51:35.399 --> 01:51:37.739
dirty, and there's a lovely shot coming up, which kind of like

2534
01:51:37.739 --> 01:51:41.039
pans up his leg and he puts his feet down and his boots are

2535
01:51:41.039 --> 01:51:42.359
absolutely immaculate.

2536
01:51:42.420 --> 01:51:45.000
His trousers are absolutely imaginate.

2537
01:51:45.060 --> 01:51:45.779
Yes.

2538
01:51:45.779 --> 01:51:49.800
There is not a speck on them and it just goes up to them.

2539
01:51:49.859 --> 01:51:50.699
And he's in charge.

2540
01:51:50.760 --> 01:51:52.079
Of course it fruits to clean.

2541
01:51:52.140 --> 01:51:56.520
It's just... it's just brilliant.

2542
01:51:56.699 --> 01:51:59.699
Do you know, he does look hot in that tank top.

2543
01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:01.920
It's pretty amazing.

2544
01:52:02.039 --> 01:52:04.260
Hanging there, and you could see his sinews.

2545
01:52:04.319 --> 01:52:07.439
I was like, Patrick, honestly.

2546
01:52:07.560 --> 01:52:08.819
Yeah, yeah, we go.

2547
01:52:08.880 --> 01:52:10.619
There it is.

2548
01:52:13.739 --> 01:52:15.659
Those boots would pass.

2549
01:52:15.720 --> 01:52:19.920
The energy of the warp core sort of dusted over them and gave them

2550
01:52:19.920 --> 01:52:20.460
a shot.

2551
01:52:20.520 --> 01:52:23.460
Yeah, just a little bit of that coolant.

2552
01:52:23.520 --> 01:52:25.140
You could cover it with a line.

2553
01:52:25.260 --> 01:52:30.000
I do think that making him walk through and over the dead bodies

2554
01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:31.380
of the Borg is a choice.

2555
01:52:31.439 --> 01:52:32.640
Do you know what I mean?

2556
01:52:32.699 --> 01:52:34.140
Because he was sort of dismissive.

2557
01:52:34.199 --> 01:52:37.380
Like, and just he's looking at the dead bodies and stuff.

2558
01:52:37.439 --> 01:52:40.079
Like, there's no dialogue about it, but I think that that was the

2559
01:52:40.079 --> 01:52:41.220
right thing to do.

2560
01:52:41.279 --> 01:52:45.000
You know, not have it dissolve them and there's no one there.

2561
01:52:45.300 --> 01:52:47.460
I know there's no time to do it.

2562
01:52:47.520 --> 01:52:49.739
You know, when all that coolant was coming out, yeah.

2563
01:52:49.800 --> 01:52:51.899
Or from the warp core.

2564
01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:55.260
I just wish somebody could have drawn a smiley face in it at one

2565
01:52:55.260 --> 01:52:55.500
point.

2566
01:52:57.720 --> 01:52:59.880
Now that is alien.

2567
01:52:59.939 --> 01:53:02.340
Look at that exoskeleton, absolutely.

2568
01:53:02.399 --> 01:53:04.319
Or is it Terminator?

2569
01:53:04.319 --> 01:53:04.859
Terminator?

2570
01:53:04.920 --> 01:53:05.880
Yeah, it's terminator, isn't it?

2571
01:53:05.880 --> 01:53:06.779
Yeah, yeah.

2572
01:53:06.840 --> 01:53:07.319
Yeah.

2573
01:53:08.100 --> 01:53:10.979
Oh, there she goes.

2574
01:53:11.039 --> 01:53:13.859
Not so sexy now, is she, boys?

2575
01:53:17.880 --> 01:53:19.859
Oh, no.

2576
01:53:19.920 --> 01:53:22.859
Paul, every time they did this, you know, they tried to show it in

2577
01:53:22.859 --> 01:53:26.039
circuitry, but obviously it's an extra layer on Brent.

2578
01:53:26.159 --> 01:53:27.600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2579
01:53:27.659 --> 01:53:29.039
It looks really bad, doesn't it?

2580
01:53:29.100 --> 01:53:31.020
Because they have to do the thing where they have to put an extra

2581
01:53:31.020 --> 01:53:32.880
layer on top of the other layer.

2582
01:53:34.140 --> 01:53:37.800
It looks like it's inside his head rather than just on top of it.

2583
01:53:37.920 --> 01:53:40.560
But yes, his head is absolutely enormous.

2584
01:53:41.399 --> 01:53:43.979
Boss, it still looks great.

2585
01:53:44.039 --> 01:53:45.720
Wow, yes.

2586
01:53:45.779 --> 01:53:46.920
No, it does look okay.

2587
01:53:46.979 --> 01:53:48.000
Yeah.

2588
01:53:48.060 --> 01:53:49.979
It always looked a bit silly, I think.

2589
01:53:50.039 --> 01:53:51.600
Should I what?

2590
01:53:51.659 --> 01:53:54.840
I swear those are the bore cubicles that are on Voyager.

2591
01:53:54.899 --> 01:53:56.220
They've noticed that as well.

2592
01:53:56.279 --> 01:53:56.699
Yes, they are.

2593
01:53:56.760 --> 01:53:57.899
No, no, of course they are.

2594
01:53:57.960 --> 01:53:58.199
Yeah.

2595
01:53:58.260 --> 01:53:59.819
Pilferers honestly.

2596
01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:00.479
I know.

2597
01:54:00.539 --> 01:54:03.720
They just put them in a in a big warehouse and then drag them out

2598
01:54:03.720 --> 01:54:04.319
you know?

2599
01:54:04.380 --> 01:54:05.460
absolutely.

2600
01:54:08.760 --> 01:54:13.079
How many hours in the gym do you imagine Patrick did before this

2601
01:54:13.079 --> 01:54:13.380
movie?

2602
01:54:13.439 --> 01:54:14.579
Quite a few.

2603
01:54:14.640 --> 01:54:15.899
I wonder how old he is.

2604
01:54:16.140 --> 01:54:18.359
I wonder how old he is.

2605
01:54:18.960 --> 01:54:21.840
Here, let me help you up, Data.

2606
01:54:21.899 --> 01:54:23.640
I can flex once more on camera.

2607
01:54:25.439 --> 01:54:27.659
Bit of sweat, look.

2608
01:54:27.720 --> 01:54:30.659
Oh, man, Patrick, you've never looked more enticing.

2609
01:54:30.779 --> 01:54:33.899
But now here is the real point of the story.

2610
01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:39.060
And and we made it a thing, didn't we?

2611
01:54:39.119 --> 01:54:42.539
So April the 5th is now 1st contact day.

2612
01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:47.220
Um, you know, Star Wars nerds have May the 4th, uh, but we have

2613
01:54:47.220 --> 01:54:51.479
April the 5th, and April the 5th, 2063 for a film that comes out

2614
01:54:51.479 --> 01:54:53.520
in 1996.

2615
01:54:53.880 --> 01:54:58.079
It's just beyond the lifespan of like kids who are watching it

2616
01:54:58.079 --> 01:54:58.560
isn't it?

2617
01:54:58.680 --> 01:55:02.460
You know, like in which case, Patrick Stewart is 56 years old. at

2618
01:55:02.460 --> 01:55:02.760
this point.

2619
01:55:02.819 --> 01:55:03.779
Yeah, he's my age.

2620
01:55:03.840 --> 01:55:04.739
At this point.

2621
01:55:04.800 --> 01:55:08.399
I mean, he's not as hot as you, but he's pretty hot.

2622
01:55:08.460 --> 01:55:08.939
I don't know.

2623
01:55:09.000 --> 01:55:09.359
You know?

2624
01:55:09.720 --> 01:55:13.680
I'd love to see you in a tank top climb in front of those Jeffreys

2625
01:55:13.680 --> 01:55:14.039
tubes.

2626
01:55:14.159 --> 01:55:15.960
Better sweat all over you.

2627
01:55:16.020 --> 01:55:16.619
Oh yes.

2628
01:55:16.800 --> 01:55:20.819
Yeah, well, that, that, I walk upstairs.

2629
01:55:24.479 --> 01:55:26.220
I know the feeling.

2630
01:55:26.760 --> 01:55:29.460
This is so beautifully filmed.

2631
01:55:29.520 --> 01:55:33.899
I think they just got every shot and the music here is perfect.

2632
01:55:33.960 --> 01:55:36.720
The reaction shot. is just perfect.

2633
01:55:37.260 --> 01:55:39.659
It's the thing too, isn't it?

2634
01:55:39.720 --> 01:55:41.819
It like, yes, it always was the Falcons.

2635
01:55:41.880 --> 01:55:43.199
Of course it was the Falcons.

2636
01:55:43.260 --> 01:55:44.039
That's brilliant.

2637
01:55:44.100 --> 01:55:48.479
And that's why, of course, we get the Falcons as the villains in

2638
01:55:48.479 --> 01:55:50.880
early...

2639
01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:52.380
Oh, I had to...

2640
01:55:52.439 --> 01:55:53.279
Yeah, yeah.

2641
01:55:53.340 --> 01:55:56.939
There's so many casual racism going on.

2642
01:55:57.000 --> 01:55:57.840
Thank God.

2643
01:55:58.439 --> 01:56:04.140
Although Manikoto is the producer that did the reversal of this

2644
01:56:04.140 --> 01:56:04.380
scene.

2645
01:56:04.739 --> 01:56:07.619
Yeah, it's a bastard.

2646
01:56:11.460 --> 01:56:17.520
Yeah, that's that was one thing that I just really, really liked.

2647
01:56:17.579 --> 01:56:19.979
And I, like, look at that where they hold hands.

2648
01:56:20.039 --> 01:56:21.300
They've barely been in it together.

2649
01:56:21.359 --> 01:56:24.359
We barely seen them and they just quickly hold each other's hands

2650
01:56:24.359 --> 01:56:25.560
and then he goes forward.

2651
01:56:25.619 --> 01:56:27.300
I think it's terrific.

2652
01:56:27.359 --> 01:56:30.119
I'm like, what the shaping can as well.

2653
01:56:30.779 --> 01:56:31.439
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2654
01:56:31.439 --> 01:56:32.520
That's brilliant, isn't it?

2655
01:56:32.579 --> 01:56:36.359
It's such a, again, you know, it ties into this concept we're

2656
01:56:36.359 --> 01:56:36.720
talking about.

2657
01:56:36.779 --> 01:56:40.380
They're not weak as, you know, we can all do a Vulcan solute, but

2658
01:56:40.380 --> 01:56:45.420
you know, the, yeah, does anyone that can, he tries, he's like, nah

2659
01:56:45.420 --> 01:56:48.539
that I'm in a handshake instead. been practising.

2660
01:56:49.560 --> 01:56:51.600
Can you guys do it?

2661
01:56:51.659 --> 01:56:54.000
Yeah, that's how great people normally.

2662
01:56:55.859 --> 01:56:58.319
What's Doctor Who day then?

2663
01:56:58.380 --> 01:56:59.880
November the 21st?

2664
01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:01.439
Yeah, I guess.

2665
01:57:01.500 --> 01:57:03.000
That's much more warm, though.

2666
01:57:03.060 --> 01:57:06.600
I mean, 1st contact day, like again, it's putting it into history

2667
01:57:06.600 --> 01:57:11.100
you know, like it's the one big gap in the timeline.

2668
01:57:11.159 --> 01:57:15.840
It's a genius one to make the centrepiece of this film, I think.

2669
01:57:15.899 --> 01:57:19.380
It's the only Next Generation film that gives us a vital moment

2670
01:57:19.380 --> 01:57:19.859
like this.

2671
01:57:19.920 --> 01:57:21.119
You know what I mean?

2672
01:57:21.180 --> 01:57:22.079
There's nothing in generation.

2673
01:57:22.140 --> 01:57:24.600
I mean, I suppose in...

2674
01:57:24.659 --> 01:57:29.159
You think about the people of Veridian 4, Joe. You do.

2675
01:57:29.220 --> 01:57:30.420
I'm not sure I do.

2676
01:57:30.539 --> 01:57:31.560
I don't give a shit.

2677
01:57:31.680 --> 01:57:36.119
In nemesis, they do they do inform some of Kursman Trek, don't

2678
01:57:36.119 --> 01:57:37.800
they, with the Romulans Senate and all that.

2679
01:57:37.859 --> 01:57:39.239
It's always boring.

2680
01:57:39.300 --> 01:57:39.899
Like, who cares?

2681
01:57:40.020 --> 01:57:41.640
This is important.

2682
01:57:41.819 --> 01:57:45.060
This is absolutely a pin in Star Trek law.

2683
01:57:45.119 --> 01:57:49.800
See, this, I envy you the world you're going to, and he just says

2684
01:57:49.800 --> 01:57:50.460
I envy you.

2685
01:57:50.579 --> 01:57:54.960
Like this is a thing, this incredible thing that's about to happen

2686
01:57:54.960 --> 01:57:55.560
on Earth.

2687
01:57:55.619 --> 01:57:59.340
And remember, it's an earth where 600000000 people have died in

2688
01:57:59.340 --> 01:58:03.420
the 3rd world war in the in the decades leading up to this, you

2689
01:58:03.420 --> 01:58:06.539
know, like they nearly don't make it.

2690
01:58:06.600 --> 01:58:09.300
Um, and then this happens.

2691
01:58:09.359 --> 01:58:10.140
It's amazing.

2692
01:58:10.199 --> 01:58:11.699
It's such a, that's great.

2693
01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:12.840
That kiss as well.

2694
01:58:12.899 --> 01:58:14.699
Because it's in no way romantic.

2695
01:58:14.760 --> 01:58:16.500
It's just a kiss.

2696
01:58:16.560 --> 01:58:21.539
It is, it's 100% romantic because, you know, it's, but it is, it

2697
01:58:21.539 --> 01:58:25.260
is just what it's, what it's going to be, you know, because after

2698
01:58:25.260 --> 01:58:27.899
everything they've been through, you know, you can see it in their

2699
01:58:27.899 --> 01:58:29.279
eyes and then a little peck on the cheek.

2700
01:58:29.340 --> 01:58:31.739
I mean, if that was, if that was Kirk, it would be full on power

2701
01:58:31.739 --> 01:58:32.220
smooch.

2702
01:58:32.279 --> 01:58:33.420
Yeah.

2703
01:58:33.420 --> 01:58:38.220
But he's a bit older and and they've got the clubs in there with

2704
01:58:38.220 --> 01:58:38.880
other people.

2705
01:58:38.939 --> 01:58:42.000
In this contract, you know, in every film he's going to have one

2706
01:58:42.000 --> 01:58:43.920
kiss, even if it's a peck on the cheek.

2707
01:58:43.979 --> 01:58:48.000
Although he has that beautiful woman in insurrection, doesn't he?

2708
01:58:48.060 --> 01:58:49.800
She's stunning, isn't she?

2709
01:58:49.920 --> 01:58:51.479
She's gorgeous.

2710
01:58:51.539 --> 01:58:52.560
I mean he's batting there.

2711
01:58:52.619 --> 01:58:53.760
Yeah, yeah.

2712
01:58:54.119 --> 01:58:57.119
Oh, look, there's a publicity shot.

2713
01:58:57.180 --> 01:59:00.659
The next generation shot of everyone with the bridge.

2714
01:59:00.720 --> 01:59:04.260
I actually love how we don't see them leave as well.

2715
01:59:04.319 --> 01:59:06.539
We see the shot on the bridge.

2716
01:59:06.600 --> 01:59:10.920
We see Lily look up and see them leave through the hole in the sky

2717
01:59:10.920 --> 01:59:14.340
and then we cut to this ridiculous scene where he's giving them

2718
01:59:14.340 --> 01:59:17.699
the terrible whiskey and trying to make them dance, which is just

2719
01:59:17.699 --> 01:59:18.600
awesome.

2720
01:59:19.439 --> 01:59:24.359
We've got a few plot holes, but we've got a few lanes to...

2721
01:59:24.359 --> 01:59:25.380
Oh, that's right.

2722
01:59:25.439 --> 01:59:26.520
We do go to wrap them up, is it?

2723
01:59:26.520 --> 01:59:27.300
we wrap up.

2724
01:59:27.359 --> 01:59:28.380
We'll get back.

2725
01:59:28.439 --> 01:59:30.899
Oh, yeah, we'll just, we'll just replicate whatever, whatever

2726
01:59:30.899 --> 01:59:31.560
we'll prove.

2727
01:59:31.619 --> 01:59:34.079
We can do that with the warp engines there, magic.

2728
01:59:34.140 --> 01:59:35.460
Yeah, yeah.

2729
01:59:35.460 --> 01:59:37.439
If they would get back in, what, like whatever?

2730
01:59:37.500 --> 01:59:38.460
What about the Vulcans, though?

2731
01:59:38.520 --> 01:59:39.899
How come they're not going to spot us?

2732
01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:40.619
Whoopsing, I would.

2733
01:59:40.680 --> 01:59:41.579
We'll just park it behind you.

2734
01:59:41.640 --> 01:59:42.300
We had that.

2735
01:59:42.300 --> 01:59:43.199
Behind the moon.

2736
01:59:43.260 --> 01:59:43.979
It's fine.

2737
01:59:44.039 --> 01:59:45.239
No one will see us behind the moon.

2738
01:59:45.300 --> 01:59:47.520
That's not how sensors work nowadays.

2739
01:59:47.579 --> 01:59:51.539
So, you know, they're all shit, you know, so it's all crazy. taking

2740
01:59:51.539 --> 01:59:52.560
his place in history.

2741
01:59:52.619 --> 01:59:56.279
He's seen us through the most important moment ever, but he's

2742
01:59:56.279 --> 01:59:56.699
still a prick.

2743
01:59:59.399 --> 02:00:02.159
Oh, do you see the way he was dancing?

2744
02:00:02.220 --> 02:00:04.619
That's how I look dancing. absolutely terrible.

2745
02:00:05.279 --> 02:00:07.619
Oh, that was a chore.

2746
02:00:07.619 --> 02:00:08.760
What a joy.

2747
02:00:08.819 --> 02:00:12.239
And frankly, everyone's breathing a sigh of relief after

2748
02:00:12.239 --> 02:00:13.319
generations, you know.

2749
02:00:13.380 --> 02:00:14.279
Yeah.

2750
02:00:14.279 --> 02:00:16.979
Coming out of the cinema going.

2751
02:00:17.159 --> 02:00:20.039
Wow, I do it again and again.

2752
02:00:21.060 --> 02:00:24.659
Although Fraser, I believe you're a fan of insurrection.

2753
02:00:24.720 --> 02:00:26.279
I quite like it.

2754
02:00:26.340 --> 02:00:28.739
You know, it's not a great film.

2755
02:00:28.800 --> 02:00:33.960
It's, more than anything, it is, like you say, it's, it's a big, um

2756
02:00:33.960 --> 02:00:38.340
next generation episode. you know, whereas this one doesn't feel

2757
02:00:38.340 --> 02:00:40.500
like that, that, you know, insurrection really does.

2758
02:00:40.560 --> 02:00:43.979
But, you know, it has some moments of charm in it.

2759
02:00:44.039 --> 02:00:48.000
I like the sort of the concept. what you're saying, this is like a

2760
02:00:48.000 --> 02:00:51.720
fundamental pin in the history of the federation.

2761
02:00:51.779 --> 02:00:55.739
I think insurrection really does that job of, you know, saying

2762
02:00:55.739 --> 02:01:00.359
well, actually what underpins the Federation is this idea of the

2763
02:01:00.359 --> 02:01:04.319
prime direct, this idea that we are better and we don't just, um

2764
02:01:04.319 --> 02:01:06.479
you know, throw a weight around or anything.

2765
02:01:06.539 --> 02:01:10.319
We're not like Americans storming into Kubi it for oil or anything

2766
02:01:10.319 --> 02:01:14.100
like that when, and it really, it kind of plays with those ideas.

2767
02:01:14.159 --> 02:01:17.640
I hate to sound like a stuck record, you know, we have done a lot

2768
02:01:17.640 --> 02:01:20.279
of concepts of insurrection with the marquee.

2769
02:01:20.579 --> 02:01:23.699
They just can't get out of this mindset.

2770
02:01:23.760 --> 02:01:27.779
And I think I do wonder if this is why the TNG movies just didn't

2771
02:01:27.779 --> 02:01:28.319
have a hose.

2772
02:01:28.380 --> 02:01:31.619
I think there is a different angle with insurrection than, you

2773
02:01:31.619 --> 02:01:36.720
know, the Marquis or, um, played very sympathetically at times as

2774
02:01:36.720 --> 02:01:39.300
you know, there's, there's, there's episodes where you kind of

2775
02:01:39.300 --> 02:01:43.140
think, yeah, I can see where the market coming from, yeah.

2776
02:01:43.199 --> 02:01:45.300
Yeah, Micah chooses the Niki. you know what I mean?

2777
02:01:45.359 --> 02:01:45.960
He's us.

2778
02:01:46.020 --> 02:01:49.619
Like he's one of us and he makes that choice, the choice that Rowe

2779
02:01:49.619 --> 02:01:49.979
makes.

2780
02:01:50.100 --> 02:01:53.039
Like people that we care about make the choice to do the marquee.

2781
02:01:54.000 --> 02:01:57.420
It's not entirely clear that they're in the wrong.

2782
02:01:57.479 --> 02:01:59.760
And I think that's that's good.

2783
02:01:59.819 --> 02:02:02.340
Like, that's a good...

2784
02:02:02.520 --> 02:02:05.880
Exactly, but, you know, you understand why.

2785
02:02:05.939 --> 02:02:08.520
You know, you get a good, yeah.

2786
02:02:08.579 --> 02:02:09.180
Yeah.

2787
02:02:09.239 --> 02:02:09.659
Yeah.

2788
02:02:09.720 --> 02:02:13.739
Even, you know, the stuff in, what's the episode in series 7 with

2789
02:02:13.739 --> 02:02:18.779
Wesley in it at the very end and the and the naval journey's end

2790
02:02:18.779 --> 02:02:19.199
yeah.

2791
02:02:19.260 --> 02:02:22.979
So all of that ambiguity about stuff.

2792
02:02:23.039 --> 02:02:24.960
Like, I thought that was that was good.

2793
02:02:25.020 --> 02:02:28.680
Like, the trouble with the inspiration is, they're still, they're

2794
02:02:28.680 --> 02:02:30.539
still thinking in that framework that they are.

2795
02:02:30.600 --> 02:02:31.859
They just can't get out of it.

2796
02:02:31.920 --> 02:02:35.340
It's because it's the same people doing it and it's the same

2797
02:02:35.340 --> 02:02:37.199
people who've been doing it for ages.

2798
02:02:37.199 --> 02:02:40.439
And if you compare it to Kurtzman Trek, where you've got a wider

2799
02:02:40.439 --> 02:02:41.760
range of creatives.

2800
02:02:41.819 --> 02:02:46.079
You know, it's not just Alex Kurtzman doing everything.

2801
02:02:46.140 --> 02:02:49.680
You know, there's different producers and different writers and

2802
02:02:49.680 --> 02:02:52.859
different people involved in all of the different series.

2803
02:02:52.920 --> 02:02:58.260
And so they don't all seem the same, but all of the 90s strike

2804
02:02:58.260 --> 02:03:00.899
stuff just seems the same because it's all the same people doing

2805
02:03:00.899 --> 02:03:01.260
it.

2806
02:03:01.319 --> 02:03:05.460
And by just going, we're going straight to films because the other

2807
02:03:05.460 --> 02:03:09.840
crew are too old to do them and we want to keep doing Star Trek

2808
02:03:09.840 --> 02:03:10.439
films.

2809
02:03:10.500 --> 02:03:14.039
That just means that we haven't had the chance to miss them and we

2810
02:03:14.039 --> 02:03:17.220
don't get to see them being written by different creatives.

2811
02:03:17.279 --> 02:03:22.260
And that's why I think Picard series 3 is so great because you've

2812
02:03:22.260 --> 02:03:26.399
got completely new people, a completely new group of people

2813
02:03:26.399 --> 02:03:31.260
creating a story and a universe for these people to live in.

2814
02:03:31.319 --> 02:03:33.180
And I think that's why that's so successful.

2815
02:03:33.359 --> 02:03:39.239
But it's kind of why I don't think Nemesis had a hope in hell. when

2816
02:03:39.239 --> 02:03:41.819
it came out, is because you are right, Fraser.

2817
02:03:41.880 --> 02:03:44.640
So they're doing Picard and Data again, and we've done that 3

2818
02:03:44.640 --> 02:03:45.420
times already.

2819
02:03:45.479 --> 02:03:49.079
There's nothing new or interesting said about either character in

2820
02:03:49.079 --> 02:03:49.319
that.

2821
02:03:49.380 --> 02:03:54.420
We're bringing in, what, fake data and fake Picard in that to try

2822
02:03:54.420 --> 02:03:55.260
and make it more interesting.

2823
02:03:55.319 --> 02:03:58.739
It's the same bloody people writing it again, so they've got

2824
02:03:58.739 --> 02:03:59.579
nothing new to say.

2825
02:03:59.640 --> 02:04:01.680
But they bring it, they go, right, well, we'll try something new

2826
02:04:01.680 --> 02:04:01.979
there.

2827
02:04:02.039 --> 02:04:05.100
We'll bring in a new director who's never directed Star Trek

2828
02:04:05.100 --> 02:04:05.579
before.

2829
02:04:05.640 --> 02:04:09.840
And he hasn't got a fucking clue what Star Trek's about, how to do

2830
02:04:09.840 --> 02:04:10.020
it.

2831
02:04:10.079 --> 02:04:14.819
The whole thing is just a massively expensive flop, and it's

2832
02:04:14.819 --> 02:04:18.720
really sad because for a long time, that was the next generation's

2833
02:04:18.720 --> 02:04:23.819
legacy for a long time until Picard, well, maybe Picard 3

2834
02:04:23.819 --> 02:04:24.119
basically.

2835
02:04:24.300 --> 02:04:29.699
However, at this point, things are looking bright because this

2836
02:04:29.699 --> 02:04:33.600
film was a huge critical and financial success.

2837
02:04:33.659 --> 02:04:41.159
It was, I think, the highest grossing trek film to this and they

2838
02:04:41.159 --> 02:04:42.840
you know, they thought they were on for a winner.

2839
02:04:42.899 --> 02:04:44.279
No wonder they kept going.

2840
02:04:44.340 --> 02:04:44.939
Yeah, yeah.

2841
02:04:45.000 --> 02:04:46.920
How much did it cost again?

2842
02:04:47.880 --> 02:04:52.680
It costs 40000000, Fraser, and it made 142 million.

2843
02:04:52.739 --> 02:04:54.779
It made 1000000 more than its budget.

2844
02:04:54.840 --> 02:04:57.359
So they must have been sitting there and those offers rubbing

2845
02:04:57.359 --> 02:04:59.939
their hands together going, right, get on the phone to Patrick.

2846
02:05:00.000 --> 02:05:01.380
We're going to do another one, you know.

2847
02:05:01.439 --> 02:05:03.420
Patrick, back in the gym.

2848
02:05:12.479 --> 02:05:15.180
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

2849
02:05:15.180 --> 02:05:16.859
work out where we're going next.

2850
02:05:16.920 --> 02:05:21.720
First contact was my excellent choice for this year's Christmas

2851
02:05:21.720 --> 02:05:26.340
movie, which can only mean that it's your turn to pick now, Joe. So

2852
02:05:26.340 --> 02:05:28.560
what series are we choosing from?

2853
02:05:28.680 --> 02:05:32.760
Well, I've got to go where I usually go, and that's to the 90s

2854
02:05:32.760 --> 02:05:36.960
because, well, we've got our fucking tom still to do compared to

2855
02:05:36.960 --> 02:05:38.039
everywhere else.

2856
02:05:38.100 --> 02:05:41.520
And, you know, we may find ourselves in a next generation episode

2857
02:05:41.520 --> 02:05:43.500
it might be nice to do some comparisons to the movie.

2858
02:05:43.560 --> 02:05:44.579
Okay.

2859
02:05:44.699 --> 02:05:45.840
Okay.

2860
02:05:45.899 --> 02:05:46.680
So here we go.

2861
02:05:46.739 --> 02:05:49.560
All 4 in, next generation, Deep Space and Iron, Voyager, and

2862
02:05:49.560 --> 02:05:50.279
Enterprise.

2863
02:05:50.340 --> 02:05:51.119
Excellent.

2864
02:05:51.180 --> 02:05:54.779
Again, chances are this will be terrible, but let's go.

2865
02:05:55.920 --> 02:05:57.600
It's terrible.

2866
02:05:57.659 --> 02:06:03.600
Season one of Next Generation, season one, episode 10.

2867
02:06:04.260 --> 02:06:11.760
Hide and Q. Surely you remember that one, Fraser. which one's that

2868
02:06:11.760 --> 02:06:12.000
again?

2869
02:06:12.060 --> 02:06:17.520
It's when Q gives all of his magical powers to Riker.

2870
02:06:17.579 --> 02:06:18.180
To Acre.

2871
02:06:18.239 --> 02:06:18.479
Yes.

2872
02:06:18.539 --> 02:06:18.840
Yeah.

2873
02:06:18.899 --> 02:06:19.979
Oh, man.

2874
02:06:20.039 --> 02:06:21.779
I'm not quite up to that one on my we watch.

2875
02:06:21.840 --> 02:06:23.399
I mean, we watch is stalled.

2876
02:06:23.520 --> 02:06:25.800
Yeah, it's not a wood store before then.

2877
02:06:27.060 --> 02:06:29.579
I'm gonna have to pick that up again.

2878
02:06:29.640 --> 02:06:31.319
Oh, that would be interesting.

2879
02:06:31.380 --> 02:06:33.180
Yeah, do that one No, it's too.

2880
02:06:33.180 --> 02:06:35.699
I can do it on the 1st row.

2881
02:06:35.760 --> 02:06:40.439
It's the one where Riker offers the Klingon woman. to war from the

2882
02:06:40.439 --> 02:06:43.859
bridge and she starts crawling along the floor towards him.

2883
02:06:43.979 --> 02:06:45.300
It's a horny Roddenberry one.

2884
02:06:45.359 --> 02:06:50.220
Where where he turns Wesley into an old man who in no way looks

2885
02:06:50.220 --> 02:06:51.420
like Will Wheaton now.

2886
02:06:51.479 --> 02:06:56.220
This is an enormous bulky bloke who goes, but when he talks, he's

2887
02:06:56.220 --> 02:06:57.479
still got Will Wheaton's voice.

2888
02:06:57.539 --> 02:06:59.100
That's terrible.

2889
02:06:59.159 --> 02:07:01.020
But Geordie says, oh, look, you got hard.

2890
02:07:01.079 --> 02:07:04.199
Well done, Wes. like it's like creepy and totally weird.

2891
02:07:04.260 --> 02:07:08.520
Yeah, but then he offers Geordie his sight back and oh, and he's

2892
02:07:08.520 --> 02:07:10.020
going to make did. human, isn't he?

2893
02:07:10.380 --> 02:07:12.539
I'll press the button again.

2894
02:07:13.619 --> 02:07:15.479
Oh my god.

2895
02:07:15.539 --> 02:07:16.319
Oh no.

2896
02:07:16.380 --> 02:07:18.539
Somehow, we've got something even worse.

2897
02:07:18.600 --> 02:07:21.000
Well, is it code of honour?

2898
02:07:21.060 --> 02:07:22.920
We may have to do this, you know.

2899
02:07:22.979 --> 02:07:27.600
We've mentioned it quite a few times in Untitled Star Trek Project

2900
02:07:27.600 --> 02:07:30.720
and it's never come up on the randomiser before.

2901
02:07:30.840 --> 02:07:33.180
You're random.

2902
02:07:33.180 --> 02:07:39.000
Star Trek D Space 9 episode is season one, episode 10 again. move

2903
02:07:39.000 --> 02:07:39.779
along home.

2904
02:07:39.840 --> 02:07:42.000
Oh yes, no, we absolutely have to do that.

2905
02:07:42.060 --> 02:07:43.319
Yeah, yeah, we're doing it.

2906
02:07:43.500 --> 02:07:45.300
Oh, I love that one.

2907
02:07:45.359 --> 02:07:48.060
Freeze, I do, I need to remind you what that one's about.

2908
02:07:48.119 --> 02:07:51.659
No, that, that, it's like, that is literally the um, the 1st ever

2909
02:07:51.659 --> 02:07:53.939
episode of Deep Space 9 I watched.

2910
02:07:54.000 --> 02:07:55.560
Oh, you came back?

2911
02:07:55.619 --> 02:07:57.359
Yeah, animated school.

2912
02:07:57.420 --> 02:08:04.079
He had Sky, and I didn't at the time, so he videoed a bunch of DS

2913
02:08:04.079 --> 02:08:07.800
names for us and, you know, put them all on a tape and, you know

2914
02:08:07.800 --> 02:08:10.979
so I had a tape for like 3 or 4 taste lanes, and that was the very

2915
02:08:10.979 --> 02:08:11.340
1st one.

2916
02:08:11.399 --> 02:08:13.140
So, yeah, absolutely do that.

2917
02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:16.380
I mean, it's the one that most people considered to be the Nadir

2918
02:08:16.380 --> 02:08:17.640
of Deep Space.

2919
02:08:17.699 --> 02:08:19.500
I've watched that bear with us.

2920
02:08:19.560 --> 02:08:22.619
I'm going to see what I wrote about it when I watched it.

2921
02:08:22.739 --> 02:08:24.180
Oh, my DS name.

2922
02:08:24.239 --> 02:08:29.100
All I'm going to say in the interim is A la Marine, count 2 4, A

2923
02:08:29.100 --> 02:08:32.760
la Marine, then 3 more, et cetera, et cetera.

2924
02:08:32.819 --> 02:08:36.840
I don't need to mention that we've we've done it on lower decks, do

2925
02:08:36.840 --> 02:08:37.079
I?

2926
02:08:37.140 --> 02:08:39.000
What, move along home?

2927
02:08:39.060 --> 02:08:42.479
Yeah, what we've done that we've played that game.

2928
02:08:42.539 --> 02:08:45.840
We've had people trapped in the game in Lower Decks.

2929
02:08:45.899 --> 02:08:48.119
This is substantially worse.

2930
02:08:49.859 --> 02:08:54.119
Obviously, because it's me, I have brought an essay about this.

2931
02:08:54.180 --> 02:08:55.920
Oh, please, come on now.

2932
02:08:56.159 --> 02:08:58.619
So one time we get to talk to you.

2933
02:08:58.680 --> 02:08:59.039
Come on.

2934
02:08:59.100 --> 02:09:01.560
Using the hashtag today is trek.

2935
02:09:01.619 --> 02:09:05.399
Today's trek is DS9, series one, episode 10, move along home. which

2936
02:09:05.399 --> 02:09:06.479
everyone thinks is shit.

2937
02:09:06.539 --> 02:09:08.039
So obviously isn't.

2938
02:09:08.159 --> 02:09:11.880
Is this DS9's biggest victim of a C fan wisdom?

2939
02:09:11.939 --> 02:09:12.659
I think so.

2940
02:09:12.779 --> 02:09:16.020
Sure, the episode pulls up no trees and can easily be considered

2941
02:09:16.020 --> 02:09:19.319
mid-season filler, but fills the season very nicely, thank you.

2942
02:09:19.380 --> 02:09:22.500
Where was the Enterprise with Flight Renew World and have some fun

2943
02:09:22.500 --> 02:09:24.420
with a new alien race before buggering off?

2944
02:09:24.479 --> 02:09:27.119
Yeah, we have the aliens fly through the wormhole to us.

2945
02:09:27.180 --> 02:09:30.420
Before buggering off, DS name will work better when these new

2946
02:09:30.420 --> 02:09:33.899
races stick, but this is the format of trick at this time.

2947
02:09:34.079 --> 02:09:38.220
The central plot is perfectly fine with our main character stuck

2948
02:09:38.220 --> 02:09:40.079
trying to find their way through the game.

2949
02:09:40.140 --> 02:09:43.859
It's city of the Excelon level puzzle solvent, but hey, there's

2950
02:09:43.859 --> 02:09:47.760
only half an hour and we should be able to play or move along at

2951
02:09:47.760 --> 02:09:47.939
home.

2952
02:09:48.000 --> 02:09:49.979
The final rug pull of.

2953
02:09:50.039 --> 02:09:53.220
Yeah, it was just a game, you knackers, is a perfectly smart way

2954
02:09:53.220 --> 02:09:55.439
of getting your characters out of power without the need for a

2955
02:09:55.439 --> 02:09:55.859
dais.

2956
02:09:55.920 --> 02:09:58.500
Not for the 1st time, the best funness we had around the main

2957
02:09:58.500 --> 02:09:58.979
plot.

2958
02:09:59.100 --> 02:10:01.739
Great to see pre-eddington prim and back.

2959
02:10:01.859 --> 02:10:05.039
It would have been great for him to become assembly regular, but I

2960
02:10:05.039 --> 02:10:07.979
suppose there's only so much of Odo shit you can take before you

2961
02:10:07.979 --> 02:10:09.119
ask to be reassigned.

2962
02:10:09.180 --> 02:10:10.560
Is he in this one?

2963
02:10:10.619 --> 02:10:10.979
Priman.

2964
02:10:11.039 --> 02:10:12.000
Priming, yes.

2965
02:10:12.060 --> 02:10:13.319
Oh, he's such a prick.

2966
02:10:14.399 --> 02:10:17.760
The man who threatens to resign every time you question his

2967
02:10:17.760 --> 02:10:20.760
ability goes to shit without the command crew.

2968
02:10:20.819 --> 02:10:22.859
This arrogance doesn't endear you to him.

2969
02:10:22.920 --> 02:10:25.979
I much prefer the sardonic, take no shit, defender of justice

2970
02:10:25.979 --> 02:10:27.239
order of the earlier episodes.

2971
02:10:27.300 --> 02:10:28.859
They're still figuring him out.

2972
02:10:29.699 --> 02:10:33.479
Stand out seeing his quarks break down over having to pick a

2973
02:10:33.479 --> 02:10:34.140
player to lose.

2974
02:10:34.199 --> 02:10:38.100
Quark is all scoundrel, liar, and a thief should be the comedy

2975
02:10:38.100 --> 02:10:40.680
relief, but has a lot more depth than you expect at this stage.

2976
02:10:40.739 --> 02:10:43.680
He's unexpectedly one of the show's MVPs.

2977
02:10:43.979 --> 02:10:47.220
One of the reasons I enjoy this story is because it was the 1st

2978
02:10:47.220 --> 02:10:50.760
DSD I saw tipped from Sky by Friend at school, it was enjoyable

2979
02:10:50.760 --> 02:10:53.399
enough for me to watch more then and still is today.

2980
02:10:53.760 --> 02:10:55.199
Wow.

2981
02:10:55.260 --> 02:10:56.760
That's exciting.

2982
02:10:56.880 --> 02:10:58.020
Receives fan wisdom.

2983
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I'm going in with huge expectations now.

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A la Marie.

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You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

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Nathan Bottomley, and special guest star, Fraser Gregory.

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We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find

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subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

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Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

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composed by Cameron Lam.

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This episode was recorded on the 17th of December 2024 and

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released on the 20th of December.

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We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9.

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Move along home.

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I think that's it.

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Yeah, what is it there?

2997
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Oh, who chose that one?

2998
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Was it me?

2999
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I think it was me.

3000
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Me?

3001
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No, I don't think it was.

3002
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Okay, well then I should...

3003
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Give me a sec, give me a sec, give me a sec, give me a sec.

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I can establish this for a fact.

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I've got the I hope I did come across as like I was enjoying that

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movie.

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No, you didn't.

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Not just shit.

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No, and there were things that needed to be said about it too.

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Like, you know.

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All right.

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Oh, my God.

3013
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Is that us?

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Oh, that's what we talking about.

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Decides to do the weird dance as well.

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That's a fighting, though, because going for it.

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I don't know why so many time for good cheer and eggnog and a Star

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Trek movie.

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And so that's what we're going to be picking this potentially

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terrible stuff.

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Oh, I know, I know.

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On average, they're mostly terrible.

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I am going to speak one now.

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Yeah, so it's your turn.

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Oh, great.

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Okay.

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All right.

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We did.

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So what we did, we did absolute candid last week.

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Just trying to see where we are.

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So, We literally have, I, in episode nine.

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To Paul, Garak.

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Julian.

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And Harry Kim.

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Oh my god.

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Oh, Garo, I will be so happy.

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He's gone, it's used to go back to conventions.

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Parallel universes and there's heaps of Harry Kimbs.

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And they're all ensigns.

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Which is the thing.

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And Harry Kim does, like, Garrett does the most incredible cartoon

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character performance.

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Like it's definitely Harry, but he's absolutely leaning into being

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a cartoon character.

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It's wonderful.

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He's really good.

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He's so great.

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But yeah, yeah.

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Garak and Bashir are characters in it and it's a whole thing.

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Chosen my series is.

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Okay.

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All right, okay.

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Oh, you might have to help us here, Fraser, I think.

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Okay.

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So we might call on you if we don't know what it is or something.

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Anyway, feel free to just participate in the conversation, just

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have to just be...

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No, no, because I'm going to press the button a couple of times.

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So I'm going to ask phrase what he thinks of each episode as we

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hear.

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I'm going to get Wikipedia out so I can remain myself of which one

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it is. just remind us which one is because...

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I do lots of cutting.

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So obviously we can't edit when, yeah, when, when we're doing the

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film, but I cut the hell out of this, including all of this, where

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we go, I have no idea what the fuck that is.

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Let's look that up, you know, like all of that.

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I don't know if you've noticed.

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I sound so smart at the beginning and the end of every episode.

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For some reason, lose all my IQ in the middle or somewhere.

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We all do that.

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Okay.

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So the power of editing.

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All right, it's the end of the episode.