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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back on a series that we haven't done since January, I think.

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It's Star Trek Picard, and it's Sancho Picard series one, episode 4 Absolute Candour.

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I don't know who any of the writers are, so I can't even remember their name, but it is directed by our Jonathan Frakes.

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This, to me, is going to be a little bit like coming on a podcast and talking about chapter 4 of a novel.

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The transitionary chapter between chapter 3 and chapter 5, which are 3 and 5 are fantastic chapters, right?

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And four, it's got its moments, but you know, it's sort of doing the business of getting us to five.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It strikes me that this is, this is four, and it sees the introduction of a new character in Elnor, and then in the very last minute or so, the introduction of yet another new character in 7, and we start the episode with Gerati and Rios having, I think, their 1st conversation together.

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So I think Gerati has just joined at the end of episode 3 perhaps.

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And so we're taking quite a while to assemble the crew.

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And in the meantime, some nonsense is going on on a Borg cube and who knows what's happening there.

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I mean, those scenes on the ball cube.

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I think they were the worst of the season because they were interminably long and threaded through about 5 episodes and you got maybe like a one or 2 scenes per episode.

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And it's just the sort of thing that back in the 90s and I'm going to make a few comparisons back in the 90s, somewhat positively, unusually.

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They would have just all been shoved in one episode and we would have just done it and got it over and done with.

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It does make coming back to these a bit confusing when you watch them out of context because you're like, well, I have no idea what happened on the Borg cube before this.

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I don't know where this is going.

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All I know is this is a single scene of apparently relevance, but of no relevance at all to the episode I'm watching.

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It's all very confusing.

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And I think that that was probably my experience of watching series one.

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I think I remember some things clicking into place, and in particular, there's a scene, a few episodes on from here where we see that Agnes has been exposed to a thing called the admonition by Commodore O, which explains.

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Oh, was that where she murders somebody?

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Well, she she will, I think, next week.

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Doesn't she matter?

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Does she murder someone?

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No.

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No, it's the scene at the very beginning of an episode where she sees a vision that some Romulans have seen, including the mad woman in this week's episode, and that's a vision of Soji calling upon the scary tentacle things from space at the final, sort of at the end of episode 10 that are going to come and destroy all organic life.

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And so it is made clear what's going on.

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There's a very simple kind of structure to the series, which is Picard has to chase and save Data's daughter from some Romulans who hate synths.

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And I think that's made sort of clear very early on.

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We know it's the Tal Shiar.

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He explains that to Elanor in this episode.

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And I think we do eventually get there, but I don't know.

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I think they're still kind of feeling their way, and I don't think that they successfully structure the season very well.

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And so while I think it all comes out fine in the end and it tells a coherent story, I think there are points in the season where you're kind of going, I'm really not sure what's going on here.

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It's a very novel way of telling a Star Trek season by turning it into a novel, but it isn't a novel.

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So, and in a novel, when you're reading a passage.

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Now you've got the time.

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You have to have the time to sort of explain imagery and how people are feeling in a TV show.

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You kind of have to go from moment to moment.

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So you have these individual moments in episodes, but there isn't really the time to explain what it's all about.

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And you're right, it does all sort of come together in the last two.

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For example, what you said there about assembling the regulars and we had a bit of chat before doing this about, you know, you have 2 or 3 episodes, maybe 4, where each episode introduces a new regular, right?

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And that's an interesting approach to doing it.

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As long as sort of those introductory stories are interesting in their own right, more on that later.

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But looking at the series as an overview now, and we can because it's over.

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Yeah, we don't get a lot of time with these characters.

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Yeah.

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We get 2 seasons with them.

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So I don't want to waste precious time doing a whole episode, setting them up and bringing them in.

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I just want them in so I can have 2 seasons with this fantastic group because the thing that Picard gets right, and I didn't really see it at the time, and I really appreciate it now, is it developed a new ensemble for a new type of Star Trek show, and those characters are fucking great.

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They're well cast.

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They're well written and they have brilliant chemistry together.

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And I do think it was a mistake.

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I get why we went and did TNG in the last season.

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It's the last hurrah for that crew and all of that.

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But a part of me is annoyed because I think they did bring together something really great and it had legs and those characters could have gone on and had 2 or 3 more seasons together telling great, great stories.

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So sort of doing these stately introductions to all of these characters.

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I think that works if we're then going to go on and have 5 or 6 seasons with them and explore those characters really well.

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But we don't.

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And so it kind of feels like a bit of a waste of time.

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And that's how I felt watching this episode was there's good stuff on the screen.

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It's well filmed.

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It's mostly well written.

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It's certainly well performed, but fuck me, get on with it.

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I want to start having fun with these characters.

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So, I think that this is trying to do, like, this is trying to structure itself the way that Game of Thrones stars. isn't it?

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And the way that other prestige TV does.

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And so it's not what we're used to at all, but it is absolutely not unusual for a prestige for a prestige TV show to have some kind of subplot going on somewhere whose significance only becomes apparent later and that has, you know, the various characters in the different subplots crashing into one another and stuff.

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So that seems like a normal way of structuring it.

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It's not where we land, I think, eventually with discovery, for instance, or with Picard series 3, which I think does a better job, discovery eventually, and Picard series 3 of serialisation of giving you something to watch, if you're just tuning in for a week.

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I think this very nearly does that because I think the Eleanor story is important because it tells us something about Picard that we didn't know and that maybe Picard didn't know either.

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And I think that's interesting because what this series does, and I think one of the reasons that they get Patrick Stewart back, is that it comments on the politics of the time.

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This is broadcast in 2020 and we've just had the 1st Trump presidency.

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We've had Brexit and we have these governments that are turning inward and becoming hostile to international obligations.

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And Star Trek the Next Generation was so much about coalition building about, you know, helping refugees, all of that sort of stuff.

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So the Romulan supernova incident thing is set up in nemesis, isn't it?

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That's where we sort of 1st hear about it.

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And so they follow up with that.

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And what happens is this massive disaster that we saw happening in children of Mars, and suddenly we turn inwards, and suddenly we are no longer generous enough to help other people in need.

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And all of that's really interesting.

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And I think, as I said, I think that's how they get Stuart back.

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And we learned about this in Children of Mars and we learned about it in the interview in episode one of Picard, which appears at the beginning of the previously on thing.

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But what we don't know yet and what Picard doesn't really know yet is that he let Starfleet's refusal to help stop him from helping and stop him from keeping his promises.

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And he's confronted with that in a proper way, 1st by Elanor, and then by those Romulans at the bar.

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And he, he, he apologises and admits that he was as much in the wrong as the Federation was.

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And I thought that was good.

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That was a story that was worth telling. particularly given how important that is to the rest of the thing.

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Like, this isn't a story about the Borg, Picard series one, it's not a story about the Borg at all.

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It is a story about the Romulans.

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And so I thought that was good.

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And I thought that this planet Vashti, the Romulan resettlement centre on Vashti, looks amazing.

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You know, it's a really good and convincing setting.

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And I also thought that Eleanor character worked really well.

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And the woman, the woman who plays Zani, the Romulan sincerity nun, she's amazing.

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Like, she's astoundingly great.

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And so I'm glad we got to meet her too.

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So many things to say about what you just said there.

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And obviously, we will go into the episode in a second.

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I found it all very worthy.

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I found all of that stuff very worthy, you know, but worthy does not mean particularly entertaining or exciting or fun.

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I was going nodding my head going, Yes, yes, I see what they're doing here.

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This is very competently done television.

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But at no point was I going, my God, I can't wait to see the next scene.

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What the hell's coming next, you know?

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And I do need a bit of that.

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I do, especially when the 1st half of the episode is everyone on spaceships, just standing around talking.

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So it just feels like nothing, there's no incident in this.

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Well, there's a few there's there's a few shots fired before the end of the episode.

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Thank God.

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But the other thing, yeah, you've made a comparison with Game of Thrones there, yeah. absolutely prestige TV, hugely popular until that dismal last season.

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But it's also really slow.

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Very slow indeed.

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And, you know, like, yeah, I think 90s trek did things too quickly.

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They would, you know, we said it. in a session.

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They did this huge political upheaval in a 45 minutes with 3 characters. back to the status quo.

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Yeah, exactly. this is the other end of that.

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We do this over 10 episodes. 10 hours, you know.

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So there's a lot of like going from A to B and talking about how important all this stuff is.

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And that's not particularly exciting.

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When we get there in the end, in the last 2 episodes, and there's enormous flowers in space and huge space battles and all of the Android planets, it's absolutely incredible, but getting there is a bit of a chore.

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But one real positive I want to say about series one, and again, I'm making an unpleasant comparison to season 3 of Picard, is I think they took far more risk series as well.

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It's so easy to come in and go, right, we're going to bring the next generation crew together and 7 of 9 and the founders from Deep Space 9 and we're going to shove them on the Enterprise bridge and then add them fight a ball cube at the end.

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That is possibly the laziest summation I can think of.

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And it is great because it ticks all of our fan boxes and nostalgias and all of this.

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But it's why I sit there watching that season going, well, really, this is where we were heading, is it?

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Whereas in one, they had sort of picking up that rock again and showing uglier sides of the Federation, I find all that stuff really interesting.

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They're doing really interesting things visual.

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I remember watching that 1st episode and you know the fight that happens in that sort of concrete area and all of that and it's a bit more visceral and nasty as well.

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A bit like Discover Discovery series one as well.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, to have that admiral swearing at Picard. and all this, and it's all a bit nasty and weird and not at all Star Trek the Next Generation.

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That's why I'm a bit pissed that we end up in Star Trek, the next generation at the end.

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Because they're trying something new.

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And actually, do you know what?

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There's faltering 1st steps, but I think, I'd really think they could have got somewhere truly impressive with that approach if they'd have just let it run, and I know Straits old and he didn't want to keep going.

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And all of this, but fuck me, I can see the potential here.

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I really can.

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I think there's a lot to be said for the idea that we've got Patrick Stewart willing to do some more Star Trek.

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We'll just do however much he likes, we'll pretty much do whatever he wants.

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And I do think that that final season is great because, of course, it has all of those familiar elements in it, but it's not really very much like Star Trek and Next Generation at all, you know, apart from those familiar characters.

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So taking those familiar characters, adding a few decades to them, and getting them to act in a show that's quite different in tone.

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I think is... to actual characters rather than caricatures, yeah.

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Yeah.

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What a bold move.

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I know I know.

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Like, so I'm sorry, I kind of came out of this episode a bit disappointed.

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But I was reminded of the things that pissed me off when I 1st watched Picard Series one that I now think were opportunities rather than just trying to annoy fans of Star Trek the Next Generation.

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There's something here.

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I don't think they're there, but there's absolutely something here.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I will count as in.

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I trust you will um, you will be talking with absolute candour in this episode. as always.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Previously on.

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Yes.

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Beautiful chateau.

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Yeah, the thing about this too is I always think it's cheaper to do a ship because you have standing sets.

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You don't really have to create a new world or these sort of environments every week.

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And eventually that's where Picard goes.

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This is, you know, this is basically on La Serena and a planet.

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But, you know, we complain that it does take a long time to get the crew together, but gosh, we go to a lot more varied and interesting places in those 4 episodes than we would have in 4 episodes of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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Although, to be fair, no, they did just set up the crew and encounter a far point, and then we went to 4 separate planets just with the crew established in that.

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Yeah.

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Boring planets.

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Yes, exactly. where they were patronised and then left, you know, in a worse place than when they became.

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But, yeah.

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That's a generation for you.

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Good grief. so much has occurred so far.

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We're going from place to place here to all these characters.

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Yeah, so we will see that woman.

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So the woman who menaces Soji with a gun is called Ramdar, and she does feature in this episode.

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Look at this shot of the sort of Romulan relocation.

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I know.

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Ridiculously expensive.

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Yeah, yeah, it looks great, doesn't it?

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And just this, that doing that sort of washed out look, though.

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Whenever TV goes to like Mexico.

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It's that sort of yellow.

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Everything's yellow.

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I mean, we're in California, but yes, everything is very yellow.

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Not like California of the 90s.

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So is it?

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No, it does convince.

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And look, why do they call him sister boy?

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And then he says, bite me.

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So this is this is little Elanor.

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Oh, and Picard's arrived.

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And I was kind of going, why is he called Sister Boy?

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and it's because, of course, he's a little boy who lives with the sisters, you know, like he, he, a boy shouldn't be living with the uh, Kawat Milan, and he kind of...

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He's a sensitive boy, you know, because he's been brought up with all these fabulous women.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, I did promise I was going to say someone you weren't going to like in this.

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Oh okay.

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Do you want me to get it over and done with?

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Yeah, go on.

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I find that character very boring indeed.

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Oh, he's so pretty though.

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No, he's pretty.

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Yeah, but there's just, there's not a lot of personality there.

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I'll say that In fact, they end up playing for laughs in later episodes.

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Like, he's mostly a comedy character.

206
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He's great when they do play him for laughs.

207
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That's much better, but not really here.

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As I say, it's very worthy.

209
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So, so I, I don't know why they've got a kid with an American accent playing him when Evan is Australian.

210
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I grew up in Melbourne.

211
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And one of the things that we never get as Australians, except for Farscape, which is a show that I've never heard of and will never watch at me if you like, but I'm never, ever going to watch it.

212
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You never see Australians on science fiction shows.

213
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And so having an Australian regular and having this kid who just sounds like a surfy, like just the way he talks.

214
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He sounds like a surfy boy, but he looks like an elf, you know.

215
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I can't believe you just said, at me if you won.

216
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Not everybody.

217
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Get at him now.

218
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All right.

219
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No, no.

220
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And I do see what they're doing.

221
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And I do think it's an interesting approach.

222
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So that sort of character.

223
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I, it just doesn't sing with me, you know, like, I, I think it's a good performance.

224
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But I just think he's a bit doll.

225
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The other thing too, that I think it does is that it introduces, because it's been some years since we've regularly seen Picard on telly, and so there's enough time for there to be someone like Raffi, who he has a very, very close relationship with.

226
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There's some personality, Nathan.

227
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This is 14 years before the rest of the episode.

228
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This is set 14 years.

229
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And Rafi is contacting him and overcomes to tell him about the attack on Mars at the end of the episode.

230
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That attack on Mars.

231
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I think, was such a genius move.

232
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I think it's doing the same thing that Discovery is doing in three with all of the ships blowing up that I live in like that.

233
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But it's less, I think, it's a bit much in 33 of discovery of every single spaceship blowing up and all that loss of life.

234
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This is a terrorist attack, which is beautifully executed when we see it as well.

235
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Very scary, actually, that short trips.

236
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And then it has all of these consequences for the show as a result.

237
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I think it was just a really savvy move.

238
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There's a great, I think one of the later episodes opens with us seeing the synths carrying out the attack on Mars, which is super interesting.

239
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See, I love this too, where we're intercutting between him play sword fighting with Elnor and reading the story.

240
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And there's one moment where Elanor says, what's parrying?

241
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And he says, I'll show you tomorrow.

242
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And, you know, by the end of the episode, he's, you know, the best swordsman that you could possibly imagine and stuff.

243
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I think all of that's kind of adorable.

244
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He's giving the phone call.

245
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Refreshing.

246
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Yeah, here is for a bit you see him having fun.

247
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Not anymore. because he just found out about the terror attack.

248
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But you don't really have a lot of fun in this season.

249
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So he's much more chilled out when they head back into time in series two, you know?

250
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or when he's got his gang back together in series 3.

251
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So this, like, he looks like an Englishman, doesn't he, going to, sort of, you know, yeah, going to, and I love that too.

252
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Where he doesn't stop, stand, you know, stand there and wait to be beamed up.

253
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He just walks off and he's beamed up as he walks off and our last shot is of of Elanor seeing him for the last time.

254
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Like he doesn't see him for another 14 years.

255
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Him in that suit, I was just imagining, you know, some tedious Englishman turning up in India back in the day, you know, right?

256
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I'm here to civilise you all, you know.

257
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Yeah, it's what James Bond would wear in NASA, you know, like, you know, it's very stately music, this.

258
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I feel as if they're going for the DS9 effect, but I love all the imagery, though. visual titles.

259
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But again, this is what prestige TV is doing in title sequences, isn't it?

260
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Like, well, I prefer the sort of the Strange New Worlds, but, yeah, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

261
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You know, a bit more exciting.

262
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But I mean, it's gorgeous. gorgeous, yeah.

263
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And I did miss it in series 3 where they just went for the 1st contact music, you know, because of course they did.

264
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I feel the listeners of Untitled Star Trek Project should prepare themselves because I am just going to spend the next 40 minutes now pointing out every single hot man that's on the screen because the ratio of hot men in this episode is very much in my favour.

265
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

266
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Certainly more hot men in this episode than in 7 years of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

267
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What, just love?

268
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Oh, really, wasn't it?

269
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Yeah, it's basically the far.

270
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Oh, no, no, when this is the moment where we get the Star Trek, the Next Generation music.

271
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I think the music is beautiful in this episode too.

272
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I do like how they put the director's name at the end of the credits now as well.

273
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You know, it used to be just subtly put in at the bottom of the screen in the 90s, wasn't it?

274
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Oh, here's Rios.

275
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Now, he is the hottest character in all 60 years of Star Trek barnum.

276
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He's really hot.

277
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I mean, jeez, Louise, he's beautiful.

278
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Nathan, right?

279
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When I went out to Columbia for those 3 months, yeah.

280
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I had a bit of an affair with a Colombian model and take away the scruff around his face and they do look quite alike, actually, you know, it could be wild, so attracted to him.

281
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Oh, I was a good free months.

282
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No, he's super handsome and there are a lot of him on board the ship.

283
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Remember later on there's a scene where Raffi is talking to all of the Rioz holograms and it's kind of like sweetheart.

284
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Why are you talking?

285
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You're in holodeck.

286
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We've already established the night is what these holodecks are for.

287
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Get to it.

288
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Oh, I love this.

289
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What's this actress's name?

290
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Uh, Alison Peele.

291
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She is so great.

292
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She turned up in M. Night Schmalians.

293
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I can never say his surname.

294
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Yes, in his latest trap, which was a terrible film, but she had the best scene in it where the serial killer goes home and she's the wife of the serial killer and she knows he's a serial killer and there's a tense domestic moment.

295
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She acted it to the hill.

296
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She's a real talent.

297
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Yeah, she's great.

298
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She's really good.

299
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In fact, she's so convincing that a bit later on in this season where she's tortured by the Vulcan lady.

300
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It's very unpleasant to watch.

301
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She's a Romulan.

302
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Oh, God.

303
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I don't have the shoulder pants anymore.

304
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Actually, everyone thinks she's a Vulcan, isn't it?

305
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Commodore.

306
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Oh.

307
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Like everyone thinks she's a Vulcan.

308
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She's in disguise as a Vulcan.

309
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The trouble is all the makeup's too good now, you know?

310
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It's like, it's too subtle for me.

311
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Well, in fact, there's a massive problem because it's high definition, everyone has to be properly made up.

312
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You can't just do shitty makeup on the background artists.

313
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Oh, and sorry, I'm going to make another unfair comparison with series three.

314
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I fucking love this spaceship of Rios's.

315
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It's such a different look, right?

316
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It's like a bloody warehouse.

317
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It's wonderful.

318
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It's a huge warehouse with all these fabulous screens flying in the air that you touch.

319
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Oh, it's wonderful.

320
00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:03.960
When they go back to the carpet. like, what are you doing?

321
00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:16.680
So yeah, so this is, of course, um, Santiago Cabrera playing Mr. Hospitality, hologram.

322
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Um, and all of them have, like, a lot of them have names, like the, the emergency tactical holograms called Emmett, you know, emergency tactical.

323
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And I think the Scottish one who is the engineering one's called Ian.

324
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But this one is just called Mr. Hospitality.

325
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He doesn't get in lame. the more scruff you give him.

326
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The hotter he gets.

327
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:42.000
But has he got any English accent?

328
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He's got an English accent, I think.

329
00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:46.140
He actually does a good hospitality one.

330
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All the accents, doesn't he?

331
00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:51.359
Yeah, except he deliberately has a terrible Scottish accent.

332
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And look, I hate that fucking hospitality program.

333
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It's such a great line.

334
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I like it.

335
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The second he walks in, he's like, oh, balls, I'm out.

336
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He's gone.

337
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.960
Oh, and Rafi's great as well.

338
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And the unspoken.

339
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:12.660
Well, we do explore it a bit, but the respect that Raffi and Picard have for each other. is so well played.

340
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I really like this scene.

341
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There's this thing where she says, you know, I don't, why are we going here?

342
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This is your guilt trip?

343
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:23.579
Like, why are we going here?

344
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:28.079
And he just says to her, I may never pass this way again.

345
00:27:28.380 --> 00:27:34.740
And it's not just because he's old because he already knows he has the Iromotic syndrome, although they don't call it that.

346
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Um, uh, you know, there's been a conversation with his doctor early on.

347
00:27:39.299 --> 00:27:43.920
So he has the deadly disease that he is dying from all good things.

348
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Ah, yeah.

349
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Ah, yes, I knew I'd heard it before somewhere.

350
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Yeah, they don't use that.

351
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They don't say that.

352
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Aerodic syndrome.

353
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Trust you to remember it.

354
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But...

355
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But, and notice too, that she talks about them putting up a big statue of him, because they all think that everyone thinks he's a great guy, and that's the thing that gets weak, that he learns here, that he failed them.

356
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He chose to fail them.

357
00:28:12.059 --> 00:28:15.900
And I think that's really interesting, you know, yeah.

358
00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:19.799
See, look, these 4 together in this room.

359
00:28:19.859 --> 00:28:22.559
Yeah, it's really fun ensemble.

360
00:28:22.619 --> 00:28:24.720
What a great ensemble characters.

361
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

362
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You know.

363
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All well-defined people, all giving great subtle performances.

364
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Next generation who now?

365
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:33.240
I've forgotten what it's like.

366
00:28:33.299 --> 00:28:34.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

367
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:45.000
But I mean, it works too, because Raffi has been here for as long as, you know, for as long as Riker was originally, you know.

368
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What I what I dislike, though, is that they just do horrible things to these characters sometimes.

369
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And I know you have to do that sometimes for dramatic purposes, but poor Raffi, man.

370
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She has more breakdowns and turns to alcohol.

371
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I don't like any of that.

372
00:29:01.140 --> 00:29:07.319
And like I said, Alison Pill's character being tortured horribly, like, I don't like any of that.

373
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And I just think you could do all of it, but just dial it back a bit, you know?

374
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them enjoy their lives.

375
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She vomits 3 times.

376
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.240
It's just the ficard episodes that we've already done.

377
00:29:18.299 --> 00:29:25.200
I mean, they take poor little Twinkie Echeb from Star Trek Voyager, right?

378
00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:28.559
and put a drill through his eyeball.

379
00:29:28.619 --> 00:29:30.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

380
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:31.740
Now they make 7 do that.

381
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:33.720
Like they make 7 kill him.

382
00:29:33.779 --> 00:29:36.839
And of course, Hugh is going to be killed later too.

383
00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:42.359
There are ways of torturing characters without bursting eyeballs, you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

384
00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:45.359
But I think this is them all feeling their way in.

385
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How far can we go?

386
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What can we do?

387
00:29:47.460 --> 00:29:56.880
And I think they realise because when you get to three, there isn't anything as nasty as bursting eyeballs and, you know, people vomit in left, right, and centre and things like that.

388
00:29:57.539 --> 00:30:00.720
Even discovery tones stuff down.

389
00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:10.680
Like series one is quite violent and bloody in discovery and it never goes and, you know, Strangely Worlds does put its characters through like emotional traumas.

390
00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:12.839
But it is quite light.

391
00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:16.859
You know, if we're going to have a character's chest being burst open, but go on.

392
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:18.539
It's going to be some guest blue alien.

393
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.960
Look at, look at, look at, look at her reaction.

394
00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:24.359
Like, this is so good.

395
00:30:24.420 --> 00:30:28.140
This cells that the 2 of them have known each other for such a long time.

396
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.160
And when he says, I may never pass this way again.

397
00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:39.420
She's trying to dissuade him from going to Vashti and going to Free Cloud instead and look at...

398
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:51.299
He's reluctant to admit it to her and he says it and he raises his eyebrows and shakes his head and look at her look like like it's really properly good.

399
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.279
Like, that's a great moment in this episode.

400
00:30:53.339 --> 00:30:54.839
Look at her reaction.

401
00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:57.000
Well, it's doing that thing we talk about a lot.

402
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:03.900
Then you get Alison Peele undermine it with a stupid comment about... brilliant.

403
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.299
You need her there more than ever.

404
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.339
If we're going to be this serious all the time.

405
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:11.160
We need a character that's going to burst that bubble every now and again.

406
00:31:11.220 --> 00:31:13.619
But that was a really properly well acting scene.

407
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:24.240
I really liked it It's that thing we talk about all the time about allowing actors to... explore their emotions without putting the words in their mouths. was really good.

408
00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:28.619
And that's one thing that just TV has got better at doing, trusting the actors.

409
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:31.740
So look at what Jonathan Frakes has decided to do.

410
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:46.380
He's superimposed Ramda's face over Soji's face and Ramda is talking about the destroyer and Soji looks up when she says the word destroyer because we're going to discover that she's the destroyer.

411
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:49.079
That's who is being talked about.

412
00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:54.720
And that, um, that whole thing comes from the admonition.

413
00:31:54.779 --> 00:31:58.380
Um, you know, there's a prophecy, but it's a proper prophecy.

414
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:02.099
It actually a message that's been put out for synth to respond to.

415
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:08.339
But it tells such a terrible story about what happens to organic life that anyone who sees it goes mad.

416
00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:15.660
And so all of that stuff, that prophecy and stuff, that all coheres and is pointing to something, even though it's incomprehensible. right now.

417
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:25.200
You just got that camera sort of gently span around Patrick Stewart there, you know, allowing us to sort of see his features and all of that.

418
00:32:25.259 --> 00:32:27.960
You know, Jonathan, you you had the right idea right from the start.

419
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:29.279
Yeah.

420
00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:31.559
What did you up the pace?

421
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:32.940
Quite so much.

422
00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:40.619
Another thing I think Picard did really, really well was it cherry picked moments from Next Generation.

423
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:42.720
So Maddox in a measure from a man.

424
00:32:42.779 --> 00:32:46.740
Soji is a take on Lal from the offspring.

425
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:53.519
It just took these very memorable moments that people still remember and incorporated him into this 1st series.

426
00:32:53.579 --> 00:32:58.500
So it does feel like a successor to the next generation whilst not figuring like the next generation.

427
00:32:58.559 --> 00:32:59.700
I thought that was really clever.

428
00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:02.759
So that reaction is pretty good, isn't it?

429
00:33:02.819 --> 00:33:10.319
Like he says, well, why don't you just say it's me and Raffi says, yes, we tried that immediately and it didn't work because no one's impressed.

430
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:12.839
And he kind of looks, oh, that's surprising.

431
00:33:12.900 --> 00:33:13.859
I thought I was a great guy.

432
00:33:15.059 --> 00:33:22.799
Just you wait until the last episode where they're in the ship in the middle of a space battle and they're doing comedy routines left, right, the centre.

433
00:33:22.859 --> 00:33:24.539
It's absolutely amazing.

434
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.299
And I really like the fact that Rios is the captain.

435
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:28.680
He's in the middle there.

436
00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:30.660
You know what I mean?

437
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:32.339
Like, we're not doing the next generation.

438
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.160
We're not doing bullshit hierarchy that we had before.

439
00:33:35.579 --> 00:33:39.599
Oh, this is where it all gets a bit worthy for me now, down on the planet.

440
00:33:39.660 --> 00:33:41.759
Yeah, see, but I like that.

441
00:33:41.819 --> 00:33:48.000
You know, like I like Star Trek doing politics and it's sort of proper politics, I think, you know.

442
00:33:48.059 --> 00:33:52.440
This is why I don't watch politics, though, you know, I find that all very worthy as well.

443
00:33:52.980 --> 00:33:58.799
Um, I do like, I do like all the atmospherics that, uh, Jonathan Brakes and stuff.

444
00:33:58.859 --> 00:34:03.480
He's got like creatures flying about the screen and things like that, you know?

445
00:34:03.539 --> 00:34:05.400
And he loves a bit of lens flare.

446
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.079
It does.

447
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:09.539
But like I buy this place.

448
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:10.800
This seems real.

449
00:34:10.860 --> 00:34:12.599
And this, like, what's happening here?

450
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:14.579
Like no backdrop or something?

451
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:21.179
The way that the light is blown out makes it look like it's outside, but I don't think it is.

452
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:22.559
I think it's just in the studio.

453
00:34:22.619 --> 00:34:24.960
Just shows you where our focus is, really.

454
00:34:25.019 --> 00:34:30.239
You're looking at the gorgeous setting and I'm looking at the piss of bread and that lovely meat that's being cooked. that does look good.

455
00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:31.139
It looks lovely.

456
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:34.260
Look at how beautiful she is.

457
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:36.900
And because she's absolutely candid.

458
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:41.340
She says you got old Picard and he says you didn't.

459
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:52.920
I don't know who did the close captions on this, but they keep saying absolute candle and Admiral Card rather than...

460
00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:55.260
I love this look.

461
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.619
They put her in this costume, so they haven't got to put any makeup on her.

462
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:00.840
Joe, just got to do her eyebrows up a little bit.

463
00:35:00.900 --> 00:35:02.579
They're learning, you know.

464
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:05.639
They've spent a lot of money on this show, but they've still got to save somewhere.

465
00:35:05.699 --> 00:35:07.619
And here he is.

466
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.300
And of course, the 1st thing he does is drop something or has an accident and says, sorry.

467
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:13.380
Do you know what I mean?

468
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:19.260
Because he will be a silly character, but this moment, you know, and I, yeah.

469
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:23.579
Okay, so he's, here is Ramda from last week.

470
00:35:24.900 --> 00:35:28.139
Soji is a great character as well, I think.

471
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:29.699
Unwell.

472
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:31.260
She another one that stitched, isn't she?

473
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.019
Yeah, no, she plays someone different.

474
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:47.159
She appears in episode one of series 2 where her and Gerati get drunk and they get hit on by Deltons by hot Deltons.

475
00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:51.840
The same alien as I Leah from Star Trek, the Motion Picture.

476
00:35:51.900 --> 00:35:55.619
Um, And then she plays another character.

477
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:59.039
She plays the daughter of one of the songs, remember?

478
00:35:59.099 --> 00:36:00.059
Vaguely.

479
00:36:00.179 --> 00:36:00.780
Yeah.

480
00:36:00.780 --> 00:36:03.179
Like, I think we've made like one or 2 from that series, you know.

481
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:03.900
Yeah.

482
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.480
Oh, look at this hot man as well.

483
00:36:06.539 --> 00:36:07.320
Who is this now?

484
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:08.940
Yeah, so this is Harry Tredaway.

485
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:10.320
He's a twin.

486
00:36:10.380 --> 00:36:15.960
There's Luke Treadaway, who's also an actor who is identical to him, so there's 2 of them.

487
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.659
Is this the series with Celia Emery's son in it?

488
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:24.480
No, the scenery and my son is in um, um, prodigy.

489
00:36:24.539 --> 00:36:26.880
Oh, yeah, zero.

490
00:36:26.940 --> 00:36:27.599
Zero.

491
00:36:27.659 --> 00:36:28.440
He's zero.

492
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:30.900
I get them all confused.

493
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:36.659
But it's funny, Harry Tradaway and his sister are so ridiculously posh.

494
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:40.980
Like, they're not just English, you've always terribly posh English people.

495
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:43.860
They're learning the lessons from Hollywood, you know.

496
00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:49.320
They're the most British people you've possibly ever heard in television and evil.

497
00:36:49.380 --> 00:36:51.840
I mean, she, the woman.

498
00:36:51.900 --> 00:36:52.500
She is great.

499
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.380
She's having a wonderful time playing those lines.

500
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.800
But, Farmulation, these scenes are a bit dull.

501
00:36:58.860 --> 00:36:59.699
Yeah.

502
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:11.820
So I, so what's happening here will lead up to a pretty great moment where she discovers that she's only 18 months old or something like that and that all of her memories are fake.

503
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:21.659
And he's needling her here because he says that there's no record of her on a ship that she definitely remembers being on.

504
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:23.699
And that's why they have this fight.

505
00:37:23.820 --> 00:37:31.199
But I did like the moment where he says, are you Tal Shiara and he says, no, because of course he is.

506
00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:35.280
And she says, if you were Talshiar, would you say no?

507
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.980
And he says yes.

508
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:43.079
Um, so, you know, so he's definitely tell Shiha, she's tell Shiha.

509
00:37:43.139 --> 00:37:47.159
Sorry to, yeah, come in with a bizarre detail.

510
00:37:47.219 --> 00:37:50.460
But is that the blue drink from in the pale moonlight he was drinking there?

511
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.980
Is it a Romulan Romulan ale?

512
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:54.300
Romney, ale, blue.

513
00:37:54.420 --> 00:37:54.659
Yeah.

514
00:37:54.659 --> 00:37:56.699
Apparently, pecant, biola, cats.

515
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.219
I mean, I know all of these ball sets are amazing.

516
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:04.860
There's a scene in the 1st episode where the camera flies into the ball ship, right?

517
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:09.000
and shows all the layers and it's just the most incredible visual.

518
00:38:09.059 --> 00:38:12.840
I think maybe they built the set, so they were like, well, we're going to have a lot of scenes on here then.

519
00:38:13.260 --> 00:38:14.940
We spent the money.

520
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:27.360
You have to have Borg, like at Star Trek, the Next Generation, and that's the one thing that they contribute to the Star Trek universe more than anything else, you know, as far as just aesthetics and visuals and stuff, are concerned.

521
00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:33.420
I think if Picard hadn't had the Borg in it in that 1st season, then we would have wondered where they were.

522
00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:39.900
But instead it is just a backdrop for a story about Romulans.

523
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:42.599
Yeah, I don't know.

524
00:38:42.659 --> 00:38:44.460
I'm kind of done with a ball.

525
00:38:44.579 --> 00:38:46.500
I'm so bored of the Borg now.

526
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:51.480
Next Gen and Voyager and the movies and now this.

527
00:38:51.539 --> 00:38:53.280
I'm just like...

528
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.320
I want to see what the Borg look like in 2020.

529
00:38:55.500 --> 00:38:58.679
It's like, what do they look like on television now if you do them now?

530
00:38:58.739 --> 00:39:01.079
I think that's absolutely a thing that I want to see.

531
00:39:01.139 --> 00:39:02.880
All the same, but the makeup's a bit better.

532
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.460
Well, yeah, I don't know.

533
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:11.280
I think they certainly, there's nothing revolutionary done creatively with the Borg in Picard.

534
00:39:11.340 --> 00:39:13.079
That justifies them being here.

535
00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:14.880
I don't think.

536
00:39:14.940 --> 00:39:16.380
And that's fine.

537
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:19.380
You know, they're ticking boxes, nostalgia, blah, blah, blah.

538
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.619
I get what they're doing You needed the Borg in endgame.

539
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.860
You know, like you couldn't have done it without the Borg, I think.

540
00:39:25.980 --> 00:39:37.860
But like, I don't know, in this season, like that, that dreadful 90s trek planet they go to with all the androids later on, you know, they can do new stuff.

541
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:38.639
It's just wonderful.

542
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:40.079
Yeah, yeah.

543
00:39:40.139 --> 00:39:40.679
Yeah.

544
00:39:40.739 --> 00:39:43.019
Oh, this is quite hot, actually, look.

545
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:44.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

546
00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:46.260
Well, they're both very attractive, aren't they?

547
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.659
This is him planting the thing.

548
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:50.519
Oh, you know, like you...

549
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:53.340
That is the best thing about Kurtz and Trey, right?

550
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:56.340
So there's so many hot men and women on the screen.

551
00:39:56.460 --> 00:40:00.239
That's it No matter how boring the episode is.

552
00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:01.320
There's always something to watch.

553
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:02.400
There's something to look at.

554
00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:04.079
Yeah.

555
00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:10.139
And so he's deliberately trying to undermine her memories of herself.

556
00:40:10.739 --> 00:40:25.079
Um, and I think we do find out what happened on the Shinor, and I think that the people in the Shinor that RAM, that, you know, the question that Harry, that, that, uh, Soji's investigating is that they saw the admonition and went mad, I think.

557
00:40:25.139 --> 00:40:28.019
I think also to you in the chart, didn't I?

558
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:30.780
There's a lot of context in this episode.

559
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:38.460
It's giving us a lot of information about the overall story without any incident whatsoever.

560
00:40:38.579 --> 00:40:42.119
There is no actual plot occurring at all.

561
00:40:42.179 --> 00:40:48.719
No, I think I think Ray Mating, I think the remaining, um, it's not very long either.

562
00:40:48.780 --> 00:40:52.019
You know, like often these episodes are 60 minutes long, I think.

563
00:40:52.019 --> 00:40:52.800
It's quite short.

564
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:57.480
But like, like, the next week's one, Stardust City Rack.

565
00:40:57.539 --> 00:40:58.860
That's got a plot to it, you know?

566
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.139
and crazy shit going down.

567
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:01.920
It's a lot of fun.

568
00:41:01.980 --> 00:41:02.820
It is pretty amazing.

569
00:41:02.820 --> 00:41:09.119
With another brilliant female villain in it, who's badly over the top.

570
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.219
I thought it was Marina, so it is when I 1st watched it.

571
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.320
I love this.

572
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:16.980
So this guy is called Carcantar.

573
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:18.420
I can't remember how they say it.

574
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:19.860
Karkentar.

575
00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:20.820
Karkentar.

576
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:25.380
He's the guy with the Romulan bird of prey, the ancient Romulan bird of prey.

577
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:29.519
And I think, no, the Klingon bird of prey from original Star Trek.

578
00:41:29.579 --> 00:41:31.739
So we get to see that, which I think is pretty cool.

579
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:35.280
So here we go.

580
00:41:35.340 --> 00:41:39.239
So he's going to ask little Elnor to join him.

581
00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:41.159
But Elnor's annoyed.

582
00:41:41.219 --> 00:41:43.739
He hasn't even said hello.

583
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:44.820
Yeah, good for him.

584
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:47.760
Yeah, you're rude.

585
00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:49.079
Look, you know me from the past.

586
00:41:49.139 --> 00:41:50.340
Come see me and talk to me.

587
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:51.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

588
00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:53.699
We can have a sword fight like we did in the past.

589
00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:54.360
I know.

590
00:41:54.420 --> 00:41:58.920
He was such a thrilling, you know, he was so excited to see Picard.

591
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:02.460
Do you think he's been thinking about him ever since, you know?

592
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:04.619
that one day.

593
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:06.960
He even says, did you miss me?

594
00:42:07.019 --> 00:42:14.219
You know, like, they're having a conversation about, about the mission or whatever and he just stops and says, did you miss me?

595
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:15.179
like in the middle of it?

596
00:42:15.420 --> 00:42:19.380
Do you think Picard's thought about him much in the intervening years?

597
00:42:19.739 --> 00:42:22.139
He says that he does.

598
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:25.920
I mean, he's had a lot of time. you know, picking those grapes for some time, hasn't he?

599
00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:26.699
A lot of times to think.

600
00:42:26.940 --> 00:42:28.380
Yeah.

601
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:29.340
I don't know.

602
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:31.679
I've loved to get you a bottle of that, Chateau Picard.

603
00:42:31.739 --> 00:42:32.940
It'd be pretty great.

604
00:42:34.139 --> 00:42:36.239
I'll pop into the future.

605
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:38.519
I'll try and get at you for Christmas.

606
00:42:38.579 --> 00:42:39.239
All right.

607
00:42:39.300 --> 00:42:41.460
Is there something in the present?

608
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:41.880
don't know.

609
00:42:41.940 --> 00:42:43.139
It canonically...

610
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:44.219
I've got a mega budget.

611
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:47.159
It's either that or the threshold, Tom Paris figure.

612
00:42:47.219 --> 00:42:48.480
All right?

613
00:42:48.539 --> 00:42:49.920
Okay.

614
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:51.719
You choose.

615
00:42:53.219 --> 00:43:04.559
Yeah, now, look, I'm absolutely certain you will be able to give all of this stuff that's on the screen right now, all of these conversations, very, very smart readings.

616
00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:07.079
But I was just sort of going, yeah, come on, come on.

617
00:43:07.139 --> 00:43:08.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

618
00:43:08.099 --> 00:43:09.900
There is a lot of talking, isn't there?

619
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:10.920
It is very talky.

620
00:43:10.980 --> 00:43:14.159
Yeah, especially when they can do action so well now.

621
00:43:14.219 --> 00:43:15.300
Yeah.

622
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:16.260
Yeah.

623
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.480
Yeah, it's a funny thing, isn't it?

624
00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:23.159
Because there's always this thing because, you know, we loved original, like we loved Star Trek the Next Generation.

625
00:43:23.219 --> 00:43:24.599
We loved classic Doctor Who.

626
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:37.920
And the, you know, the classic description of classic Doctor Who is people standing talking urgently in corridors and Star Trek The Next Generation is incredibly talky, isn't it?

627
00:43:37.980 --> 00:43:40.079
Like just everyone's talking.

628
00:43:40.139 --> 00:43:41.820
But the difference is, though.

629
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:42.179
Yeah.

630
00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:44.699
Why, that's better for me.

631
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:49.019
And more interesting to watch. is the performances are frequently terrible.

632
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:55.860
So it's just absurdly entertaining to watch news. very theatrical, you know.

633
00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:00.119
I brought down better men than you, Picard. all that sort of stuff, you know.

634
00:44:00.179 --> 00:44:05.820
Whereas this is, everyone's sort of muted and quiet and naturalistic.

635
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:06.599
And do you know what?

636
00:44:06.659 --> 00:44:09.480
That's my normal life and it's really boring my normal life.

637
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:21.360
I also think this is a beautiful set in which this happens with sort of stunning lighting and stuff and it's nicely directed but not flashily directed.

638
00:44:21.420 --> 00:44:21.780
There you go.

639
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:22.679
Did I miss you?

640
00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:23.460
Did you miss me?

641
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:24.239
Of course I did.

642
00:44:24.300 --> 00:44:26.400
And then go back with your story.

643
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:30.300
Nathan, I'm going to say something, nah, you're not going to be happy with me, all right?

644
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:31.019
What's that?

645
00:44:31.019 --> 00:44:37.139
Well, you know, you sent me a picture of this beautiful man earlier on his Instagram page playing Elanor, yeah?

646
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:40.079
Have they wired him up a bit in that makeup?

647
00:44:40.139 --> 00:44:41.820
No, they haven't watched it yet.

648
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:44.519
I swear to God he looked darker in those Instagram pictures.

649
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:46.500
No, no.

650
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:48.420
They wouldn't do that.

651
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:50.159
They like they just wouldn't do that.

652
00:44:50.219 --> 00:44:52.800
It's outrageous, frankly, that they took that.

653
00:44:52.860 --> 00:44:54.360
I mean, the picture you sent me.

654
00:44:54.420 --> 00:44:55.559
I mean, I banked it.

655
00:44:55.619 --> 00:44:58.199
Yeah.

656
00:44:58.199 --> 00:44:59.940
I mean, he is.

657
00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:01.199
I think he's still beautiful there.

658
00:45:01.260 --> 00:45:02.760
He's very pretty.

659
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:07.619
They could have done it a bit more subtler, I think, and kept his, you know, he had curly hair in real life.

660
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.860
So he has curly hair in series 2 and it looks stupid.

661
00:45:10.980 --> 00:45:17.400
Like, I really like this long sort of mega like, yeah, you know, like, I'm not doing Lords of the Rings again. sorry.

662
00:45:17.460 --> 00:45:29.699
If I'm only doing a couple of episodes, I'm going to have my normal hair. thank you very much It's still long, but yeah, no, he's got so I kind of like that, though. like the very, very long black straight hair.

663
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:30.840
I think it looks really good.

664
00:45:30.900 --> 00:45:35.940
It's really striking and it's not a very Star Trek. look like it's not a very normal Romulan look.

665
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.820
I think I can explain, actually.

666
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:44.099
I think I can probably explain my issue with all of these scenes down on the planet, you know.

667
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:53.579
If we did an episode of Untiled Star Trek Project, we were talking in a very worthy way to each other, you know, and anyway, this is some of the detail television.

668
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.699
Yes, isn't it absolutely gripping to watch, yeah.

669
00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:59.579
Now, I imagine that would be absolutely tedious for the people listening.

670
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:03.360
Instead, we're somewhere up in the atmosphere, you know, having a great time.

671
00:46:04.500 --> 00:46:10.320
So, I, one thing that I don't think this sells is why he comes back.

672
00:46:11.340 --> 00:46:14.099
Um, What, Picard?

673
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:17.340
No, no, no, why Elnor comes back.

674
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:20.579
So Elanor says you abandoned me 14 years ago.

675
00:46:20.579 --> 00:46:31.739
And remember that he's a sad, lonely young man who lives among these nuns, you know, these women, and he's never found a place.

676
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:33.239
That sounds incredible.

677
00:46:33.300 --> 00:46:35.519
They never stopped criticising him, though.

678
00:46:35.579 --> 00:46:36.840
Okay.

679
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:41.159
But like, couldn't he just say to him, look, Elena, look, I know, and I'm really sorry.

680
00:46:41.219 --> 00:46:42.840
But I had a bit of bad news.

681
00:46:42.900 --> 00:46:48.840
I had to go and sort out some rather important things that were occurring 14 years, though, and that's the point.

682
00:46:48.900 --> 00:46:56.039
That's what he learns here. and he learns it, he learns it kind of from this guy's reaction.

683
00:46:56.099 --> 00:47:02.219
So this guy, um, who has a space name, his name is.

684
00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:06.960
Tangum Adri or something.

685
00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:08.940
But Evan Park.

686
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:12.480
He's a very, very striking looking man who gives an incredible performance.

687
00:47:12.539 --> 00:47:16.199
He gives this amazing speech about being a senator.

688
00:47:16.260 --> 00:47:17.340
Look how hot he looks.

689
00:47:17.460 --> 00:47:20.340
And prosthetic actually helps.

690
00:47:20.460 --> 00:47:23.699
Like he's really in so many hot man here.

691
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.039
And, you know, normal looking man.

692
00:47:26.099 --> 00:47:30.239
Um, But he gives a great speech.

693
00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:32.460
I think he's really impressive.

694
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:34.800
You just know, this was 90s true.

695
00:47:34.860 --> 00:47:37.739
This would be stock colony set number 52, wouldn't they?

696
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:38.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

697
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:40.860
There's no way we'd be outside for this scene.

698
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:42.840
It's amazing isn't it?

699
00:47:42.900 --> 00:47:43.800
Oh, there we go.

700
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:44.880
Tim Andrev.

701
00:47:45.179 --> 00:47:49.320
I mean, look, he's given a wonderful performance. give him a name like that.

702
00:47:49.380 --> 00:47:51.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

703
00:47:51.179 --> 00:47:51.719
Bless him.

704
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:54.300
But he's really good.

705
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.699
And this is where Picard learns.

706
00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:00.480
Like Picard thinks he can take down the no Romulan sign.

707
00:48:00.539 --> 00:48:01.260
How dare you?

708
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:17.219
Why are you behaving like this, and he can just sit down and expect to be served, and it's only once this guy speaks to him that he realises that he's betrayed them, that he's let them down.

709
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:21.300
And like the guy, what he says is really good.

710
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.699
Like what the senator guy says is really good.

711
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:39.599
And it's almost like, you know, He's on the back foot because his people were emiserated and had suffered this terrible calamity and it's kind of like we were pathetic and we were begging you for help and stuff and we lost faith in ourselves.

712
00:48:39.659 --> 00:48:42.239
You know, it wasn't just that you didn't help.

713
00:48:42.300 --> 00:48:46.500
It was that we were at your mercy and you...

714
00:48:46.500 --> 00:48:47.699
How far we've come.

715
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:49.860
Do you remember the next generation series one?

716
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:54.960
where the mere mention of the word Romulan brought fear to everybody's face.

717
00:48:55.380 --> 00:48:59.099
It's it's good and I think making Picard.

718
00:48:59.159 --> 00:48:59.880
That's the thing.

719
00:48:59.940 --> 00:49:03.300
At the beginning of series one, he has to have quit Starfleet, right?

720
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:06.719
Because we don't want to tell a story of him being an admiral at a desk.

721
00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:10.440
And see, this, you gave up.

722
00:49:10.500 --> 00:49:15.179
This is where he learns that, this is where he learns that he's done the wrong thing.

723
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:21.840
But so giving him, like he's given up, he's quit Starfleet because Starfleet has done the wrong thing.

724
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:25.619
Yeah, this guy is so good.

725
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:27.300
He's really good.

726
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:33.539
Well, he sort of learns it while surrounded by terrifying looking men that look like they're about to kick the shit out of him.

727
00:49:33.659 --> 00:49:39.420
I think the shot of the sign that says Romulans only was really potent as well.

728
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:40.559
Yeah, yeah.

729
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.860
I mean, this is why you get Patrick Stewart back, though, isn't it?

730
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:47.820
Yeah, yeah.

731
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:48.900
Yeah.

732
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:52.199
Get angry like this and...

733
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:54.900
What's the use of the word promise?

734
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:59.940
So we have, you know, like he promises he'll come back and doesn't.

735
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:01.619
He promises he'll help.

736
00:50:01.739 --> 00:50:04.380
He says, I promise you that's not what happened.

737
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:08.159
And the guy just says, you promise. you promise, you know.

738
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:13.619
And we had Zani saying, you know, a promise is a prison.

739
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:15.480
I love these two.

740
00:50:15.539 --> 00:50:18.000
I love it where he starts fighting.

741
00:50:18.059 --> 00:50:21.119
And then he just throws the sword to the ground and says, I'm not doing this.

742
00:50:21.179 --> 00:50:22.139
I'm not going to do it.

743
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:29.519
But...

744
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.679
He's Elanor.

745
00:50:31.739 --> 00:50:33.659
That wee.

746
00:50:33.659 --> 00:50:34.679
He did a thing.

747
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:35.940
That, that is fun.

748
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:37.920
I was about to say, when are they going to start having fun?

749
00:50:37.980 --> 00:50:39.960
No one's having fun on this show.

750
00:50:40.619 --> 00:50:43.860
And I know they're talking about proper things.

751
00:50:43.980 --> 00:50:46.619
Jesus Christ to live.

752
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:57.719
Of course, the other famous Romulan sincerity nun is Michael Burnham's mother, who joins the Kawat Milart in the future, 900 years in the future.

753
00:50:57.840 --> 00:50:59.820
We'll get to her.

754
00:50:59.820 --> 00:51:03.420
And there's an episode called Choose to Live.

755
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:10.500
And so the Kuat Milada are introduced here, but they will come back to discovery. and they become a thing, you know.

756
00:51:10.500 --> 00:51:14.820
Whenever I think of Michael Burnham's mother, I just see floods of tears.

757
00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:16.079
Oh my god.

758
00:51:16.139 --> 00:51:16.920
Yeah.

759
00:51:16.980 --> 00:51:18.539
We were very overwrought.

760
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:20.099
Do you know what I mean though?

761
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.440
Like, there isn't a lot of fun in any of this, is there?

762
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:24.960
No, no.

763
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:26.940
In this season as well.

764
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:33.300
I think they get there in the last two But, you know, like Nepenthe was beautiful, but very serious.

765
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:36.059
You know, the opening 2 are very serious.

766
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:41.940
I can see why people are sort of watching us going, okay, this is great Delhi, but like, why is Star Trek not fun anymore?

767
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:47.280
And discovery is a bit serious too, at this point, although discovery does cilia, doesn't it?

768
00:51:47.340 --> 00:51:49.559
They've really learned to relax, though, don't they?

769
00:51:49.619 --> 00:51:51.000
Obviously, lower decks comes along.

770
00:51:51.059 --> 00:51:52.139
Strange new wells.

771
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:56.159
I think I think it's fun above everything else in Strangely Wells.

772
00:51:56.219 --> 00:52:00.360
Yeah, and that's why people took to it more than this and Discovery.

773
00:52:03.420 --> 00:52:08.820
That sort of thing like, like your way into to, to characters should be humour a lot of the time.

774
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:09.780
Like, that's why.

775
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:12.179
Well, I think Alison works really well.

776
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:14.820
Well, that's why she was my favourite.

777
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:15.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

778
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:16.320
Yeah.

779
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:19.139
And then Elnor will eventually be there.

780
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:20.159
Yeah.

781
00:52:20.219 --> 00:52:21.119
Yeah.

782
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:21.480
Yeah.

783
00:52:21.539 --> 00:52:29.519
And then that's why I really love the scenes between Rios and that lovely lady has a romance with in series 2 because they're so fun together.

784
00:52:29.579 --> 00:52:31.260
That's really fun, isn't it?

785
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:35.219
And 7 of 9 and Raffi, you know, going around in the car.

786
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:36.420
That's really fun.

787
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:37.980
They do learn to relax.

788
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:39.960
Again, they have to sort of get there, you know?

789
00:52:40.019 --> 00:52:41.280
Yeah, exactly.

790
00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:41.880
Exactly.

791
00:52:44.940 --> 00:52:56.699
And because I think because there's nothing bad in the production or nothing bad in the performance, there's nothing silly to laugh at.

792
00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:01.440
Yeah. when it is all very serious and I won't say worthy again.

793
00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:02.880
What's another nice word for word?

794
00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:04.199
Yeah, no, seriously.

795
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:04.739
But, you know.

796
00:53:05.099 --> 00:53:23.219
I mean, Rafi, um, um, uh, Gerardi was used in that scene there where we learned that the reason that um, Elanor agreed uh, to, you know, become his, um, Cullen Kakai is how you say it in Romulan.

797
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:25.920
I ask, I think he's Robertson's sister here.

798
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:27.059
Yeah, their brother and sister.

799
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:27.659
Why are you fucking?

800
00:53:27.780 --> 00:53:28.500
No.

801
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:30.719
I mean, it looks like they are right now.

802
00:53:30.780 --> 00:53:40.260
No, but she keeps making fun of him for fucking the robot girl. you know, like the robot girl.

803
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:43.860
Um, and I love how she leaves.

804
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:54.719
Like she leaves at the end and she kind of goes, uh, you've got a week to, could have break her and find out where she comes from or it's back to our usual pain and violence, you know, like.

805
00:53:54.719 --> 00:54:07.619
But I remember the 1st time I watched this series. and I felt a chemistry between these 2 and I knew they were proper sister and I was like, ooh, that's both hot and uncomfortable at the same time. no, no.

806
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:09.539
I think it's supposed to be transgressive in a way.

807
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:10.619
Do you know what I mean?

808
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:16.380
They're sort of seedy English aristocrats with no proper boundaries that they're from Romulus.

809
00:54:16.739 --> 00:54:20.579
I mean, if they got it on, I don't know if I'd objected too much.

810
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:27.960
Now, I can't remember if we've seen Narissa, I think, maybe with Commodore O or something at this point.

811
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:30.300
Like I can't remember where we've seen her before.

812
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:33.840
It's Narissa, this very evil lady here, yeah?

813
00:54:33.900 --> 00:54:34.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

814
00:54:34.860 --> 00:54:35.940
I love it.

815
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.340
So it's Narek and Narissa.

816
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:45.179
She might be more MVP of this episode because she comes in and is so evil.

817
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.340
Yeah, it's fabulous.

818
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:49.559
She's having a great time.

819
00:54:49.619 --> 00:54:51.420
Whereas, you know, he's tortured and all of this.

820
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:53.340
He angst ridden, this character.

821
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:54.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

822
00:54:54.539 --> 00:54:55.800
Yeah, look at this.

823
00:54:55.860 --> 00:54:57.119
This is quite hot, you know.

824
00:54:57.239 --> 00:54:59.699
She starts strangling him.

825
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:01.320
I think she wants to fucking, you know.

826
00:55:01.380 --> 00:55:12.059
No, but she's trying to, like, she's getting him to admit that Soji is the destroyer and so she has to be killed.

827
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:24.719
None of this sort of having a relationship with her, none of this running down Borg cube corridors in your socks, having fun, you've got to be killing her or, you know, getting her to tell you where she comes from.

828
00:55:24.780 --> 00:55:26.280
Oh, sorry.

829
00:55:26.340 --> 00:55:28.079
She just straggled him right.

830
00:55:28.139 --> 00:55:30.659
The camera, Jonathan Franks knows exactly what he's doing.

831
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:35.699
He's in the front of the screen panting and she's smiling right close to him.

832
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.699
There is absolute.

833
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:42.719
There is absolute incest violence kicking out.

834
00:55:42.780 --> 00:55:50.340
And he says, oh, I've planted a seed, you know, which is that seed of doubt about whether she was on the Ellison or whatever.

835
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:54.659
And she says, I'll give you and your seed another week.

836
00:55:54.780 --> 00:55:56.639
It's a sort of thing.

837
00:55:57.360 --> 00:55:58.019
Oh, hurray.

838
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:00.780
Spaceship spaceship.

839
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:02.219
Woo-hoo.

840
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:04.619
Did you see the way the camera pulled back there then?

841
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:08.460
You got them all, it was like a next generation shot, but really good on the bridge.

842
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:09.659
It's great, isn't it?

843
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:17.039
And I love these, like, you know, you've got the the drone shell thing over the planet.

844
00:56:17.099 --> 00:56:19.860
You've got the spaceships just going in all directions.

845
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:23.579
You got these incredible holographic kind of displays.

846
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:25.679
Like it looks so amazing.

847
00:56:25.739 --> 00:56:29.039
Oh, oh, let's get let's get Emmett.

848
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.840
I love how Emmett only speaks Spanish.

849
00:56:33.900 --> 00:56:36.599
So each of the holograms has a different accent.

850
00:56:36.659 --> 00:56:40.260
Look at his hair in disarray like that.

851
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.719
He looks like a bloody tramp, but he's still hot.

852
00:56:42.780 --> 00:56:45.300
No, he's probably tattered and stuff.

853
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:50.940
Look how he's got heaps of these tattoos that really... got sort of a Jason Momoa look about him, doesn't it?

854
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:52.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

855
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:54.539
No, that hair is gorgeous.

856
00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:55.920
Yeah, she's hard.

857
00:56:55.980 --> 00:56:58.679
He could be in the Timothay advert because he's worth it.

858
00:57:01.500 --> 00:57:03.960
Look at Elmore in the background.

859
00:57:04.019 --> 00:57:04.800
Absolutely.

860
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:07.019
He knows he's on Star Trek.

861
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:10.079
He's sort of wobbling about the place. but still looking cool.

862
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:14.460
Raffi's there grabbing hold of the console like Sulu.

863
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:15.719
Oh, here we go.

864
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:19.440
Finally they're having fun.

865
00:57:19.500 --> 00:57:22.320
Look, that spaceship doesn't look great.

866
00:57:22.380 --> 00:57:23.219
Oh great.

867
00:57:23.340 --> 00:57:25.860
Look, did you see it sort of turning as it flows?

868
00:57:26.460 --> 00:57:28.679
Yeah, ships can do that.

869
00:57:28.739 --> 00:57:32.639
You wait till you see what the Enterprise deacon do in series 3, all right?

870
00:57:33.659 --> 00:57:38.699
I never knew it could move as amazingly as that, but there we are.

871
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:41.460
Yeah, look at it. doesn't it look good?

872
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:48.840
I mean, I think whoever was right in this episode was very, it was a sound idea to put in this action sequence at the end.

873
00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:53.340
Well, it's and it's introducing another 2nd character for the episode, isn't it?

874
00:57:53.400 --> 00:58:02.159
Seven, who needs a little bit less introduction, but undoubtedly we'll start episode 5 with them standing around talking to her and finding out what she's been up to.

875
00:58:02.219 --> 00:58:06.780
We literally start episode 5 of the drill going into HM's eye.

876
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:07.619
Oh, no.

877
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:12.659
Yes, okay, because it's her backstory. absolutely chilling.

878
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:15.960
And all of this stuff where beam him in.

879
00:58:16.019 --> 00:58:20.820
The pilot is here, you know, oh, look, look at this shield around the planet as well.

880
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:25.380
When ships go incredible, they're doomed. yeah it looks great.

881
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:27.719
It's knife.

882
00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:31.559
I'm ready to fire.

883
00:58:32.099 --> 00:58:34.440
Yeah, look at this.

884
00:58:34.500 --> 00:58:35.940
And this is so funny.

885
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:37.260
So good.

886
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:40.500
Voyager literally colliding with the next generation.

887
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:41.519
Yeah, yeah.

888
00:58:41.699 --> 00:58:44.340
But she's so good in this.

889
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:46.619
Did we know she was coming in this?

890
00:58:46.739 --> 00:58:48.719
Was it all part of the publicity or was it a surprise?

891
00:58:48.780 --> 00:58:50.280
I can't remember.

892
00:58:50.340 --> 00:59:04.380
And of course, you know, like Evan is in the opening credits of this episode, but not of previous episodes, and this show, like discovery, doesn't have just 7 people who are in the opening credits of every episode.

893
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:08.940
They just put the people who are in it in the opening credits, important people.

894
00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:17.880
And so I don't think that we knew that she was in it because I think she gets a special guest star, Jerry Ryan, credit up front.

895
00:59:17.940 --> 00:59:26.579
Um, Uh, but I don't know that we realise that she's going to be a regular for the next, you know, 2.5 seasons.

896
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:28.260
You know what this reminds me of?

897
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:35.039
It reminds me of a common complaint I have about modern day serialised television, is that you come away from the episode, right?

898
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:39.840
Because the last couple of minutes were amazing and there's a big twist at the end, 7 of 9 has just turned up.

899
00:59:39.900 --> 00:59:41.760
My God. you want to see the next one.

900
00:59:41.820 --> 00:59:53.460
Yeah, but you're convinced that the whole episode was absolutely incredible because the lasting impression of it is the last moment and many a Game of Thrones episode rested on that.

901
00:59:53.519 --> 01:00:04.380
It's a load of people standing around doing boring things for 40 minutes and then someone dies horribly at the end of the episode. you're like, oh, my God, I can't wait till what, that was amazing me because, you know.

902
01:00:04.739 --> 01:00:08.639
It's an amazing magic trick, if I want it.

903
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:11.219
It does seem to fall.

904
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:12.960
It was a terrific end.

905
01:00:13.019 --> 01:00:16.199
But it was a bit of a plot of an episode.

906
01:00:16.260 --> 01:00:21.420
So it's just, it is the, it's the wanting to spend time in that world.

907
01:00:21.420 --> 01:00:26.340
And particularly, you kind of feel when Star Trek, the Next Generation is over.

908
01:00:26.340 --> 01:00:44.519
And when Enterprise goes back to the mid 22nd century, and then Discovery comes along and it's set in the 23rd century, and, you know, the last that we've seen of the 24th century was Star Trek Nemesis, you know, we never got to see what happened.

909
01:00:44.579 --> 01:00:46.500
We never visited that time again.

910
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:57.059
And so spending time there with some people that we know and just even seeing what the technology is like, seeing what the places are like.

911
01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.639
Like, I think all of that, there's a pleasure in that.

912
01:00:59.699 --> 01:01:09.599
And so, you know, that was certainly more fast moving than any given episode of Star Trek the next generation, even though there was a lot of standing around.

913
01:01:09.659 --> 01:01:24.360
I think you're right that it's more low key, that the standing around is more low key, less theatrical, and more naturally stick, and so it's a bit less compelling to people who, like us, grew up on 90s track.

914
01:01:24.420 --> 01:01:26.699
But I still enjoyed that.

915
01:01:26.699 --> 01:01:31.199
And it did make me think I should go back and revisit series one at some point.

916
01:01:31.260 --> 01:01:34.380
I'll explain it with a polygraph then.

917
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:45.719
I think sort of the 1st half of the episode where we're hanging out with our new regulars, sort of, you know, there was mild spikes on the polygraph, then our flatline somewhere in the middle of the episode.

918
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:50.039
And, uh, yeah, sort of that was to about the last 5 minutes.

919
01:01:50.099 --> 01:01:58.139
Then suddenly there was huge activity on the polygraph and then suddenly I'm off the scale when 7 of 9 appeared at the end, you know?

920
01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:11.460
Yeah, like I said at the start of the episode, I don't want to write this off because I think this reminds me of all of the what I thought were bad creative moves that I now think are sound creative moves.

921
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:17.460
But this is episode 4 of your 1st season.

922
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:29.400
And, you know, it's sort of following the pattern of most 1st seasons of all Star Trek shows in that it's taking its time to find its way and there are some bumps along the way.

923
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:34.619
And it was okay, but there are much, much better episodes of series one, not the card.

924
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:39.599
And this actually gives me the I really want to explore them.

925
01:02:39.659 --> 01:02:43.739
I can't wait till we do it because I think we'll have some pleasant things to say.

926
01:02:52.800 --> 01:03:03.000
Alright, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to work out where we're going next, and given that it's Christmas coming up.

927
01:03:03.059 --> 01:03:11.519
That's traditionally a time for good cheer and eggnog and a Star Trek movie.

928
01:03:11.579 --> 01:03:15.179
And so that's what we're going to be picking this week.

929
01:03:15.300 --> 01:03:19.619
A potentially terrible Star Trek movie. not in our favour.

930
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:22.079
On average, they're mostly terrible.

931
01:03:22.139 --> 01:03:23.280
Actually, I wonder if that's true.

932
01:03:23.340 --> 01:03:24.599
Anyway, it doesn't matter.

933
01:03:24.659 --> 01:03:26.760
I am going to pick one now.

934
01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:30.119
I'm going to press the randomiser and let's see where we're going.

935
01:03:30.659 --> 01:03:33.599
This is the most exciting pick of the year.

936
01:03:33.659 --> 01:03:35.159
Enjoy this moment, all right?

937
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.780
No, you've got a manic gleam in your eye.

938
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:44.340
It's actually Star Trek 2009.

939
01:03:45.539 --> 01:03:47.460
Is that the 1st one?

940
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:48.179
Yeah.

941
01:03:51.300 --> 01:03:54.119
It's kind of interesting.

942
01:03:54.179 --> 01:03:57.119
That's an entirely new thing to discuss.

943
01:03:57.179 --> 01:03:58.260
It is.

944
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:00.539
It's a whole new version of Star Trek that we have.

945
01:04:00.659 --> 01:04:04.980
Only 3 noises we've got to do that era of Star Trek.

946
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:06.300
Hmm.

947
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:07.260
Hmm.

948
01:04:07.380 --> 01:04:11.880
I'm going to lead this to you because I know really nothing about that era.

949
01:04:11.940 --> 01:04:13.739
So I'm going to be a bit in the dark.

950
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:16.500
I mean, it is kind of interesting.

951
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:28.500
It is kind of interesting, but it's not, it's not a film that I have as much affection for as I do for the previous films.

952
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:30.900
I think it's got a lot going for it.

953
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:34.139
I reckon you should do, push it again, right?

954
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:41.519
And we'll try and air towards one to 9 only because that's where our love is, right?

955
01:04:41.579 --> 01:04:43.800
Yeah, yeah, for good and for bad.

956
01:04:43.860 --> 01:04:46.260
Even though this would have been a really interesting choice.

957
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:46.920
Yeah, yeah.

958
01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:47.579
It'll come up.

959
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:50.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 10 years or so?

960
01:04:50.219 --> 01:04:50.880
Exactly.

961
01:04:50.940 --> 01:04:54.119
All right, let's try it again.

962
01:05:00.179 --> 01:05:01.980
Star Trek into Darkness.

963
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:04.260
Oh, for God's sake.

964
01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:06.119
Push it again.

965
01:05:06.179 --> 01:05:07.139
Yeah that's terrible.

966
01:05:07.980 --> 01:05:10.860
Oh, I think it's this.

967
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:11.400
Go on.

968
01:05:11.460 --> 01:05:12.659
Go on.

969
01:05:12.659 --> 01:05:17.699
It's from 1996 Star Trek 1st contact.

970
01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:19.860
Oh, yes.

971
01:05:21.420 --> 01:05:24.840
The best Beverly Crusher scene of all time.

972
01:05:24.900 --> 01:05:26.039
Oh, Beverly.

973
01:05:26.099 --> 01:05:27.179
Poor Beverly.

974
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:30.539
Well, we did do the lower deck, Shepherd.

975
01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:32.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah. absolutely.

976
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:37.139
Well, I mean, it's the one they got right, right?

977
01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:38.280
The one they got right.

978
01:05:38.340 --> 01:05:39.239
I think it is.

979
01:05:39.300 --> 01:05:42.300
It is the one Star Trek, the Next Generation film that they got right.

980
01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:44.340
Alfie Woodard.

981
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:45.000
I just remembered.

982
01:05:45.059 --> 01:05:46.019
Amazing in it.

983
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:47.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

984
01:05:47.219 --> 01:05:48.420
Yeah, I think could be good.

985
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:50.280
All right, I think we do it for sure.

986
01:05:50.340 --> 01:05:51.360
Boy, oh, boy.

987
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:53.340
And no further.

988
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:57.239
The line must be drawn here.

989
01:05:57.300 --> 01:05:59.820
No more pushes of the randomiser.

990
01:05:59.880 --> 01:06:11.760
That's right You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

991
01:06:11.820 --> 01:06:18.420
We're online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

992
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:23.940
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

993
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:29.940
This episode was recorded on the 10th of December 2024 and released on the 13th of December.

994
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:33.840
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, 1st contact.

995
01:06:51.900 --> 01:07:01.619
I think for once, I had a sound point to me, though, about how competently made this is, and that can sometimes be a bit dull.

996
01:07:01.860 --> 01:07:03.719
Yeah, that's right.

997
01:07:03.780 --> 01:07:05.039
There's nothing to laugh at.

998
01:07:05.099 --> 01:07:06.719
There's nothing ridiculous.

999
01:07:06.780 --> 01:07:10.079
Nothing inadvertently ridiculous.

1000
01:07:10.139 --> 01:07:16.019
I feel like the next thing we should do is a really sort of terrible episode of 90s track.

1001
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:20.039
Actually, we don't have a lot of success of finding those because we tend to enjoy them.

1002
01:07:20.099 --> 01:07:21.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1003
01:07:22.019 --> 01:07:22.559
That's true.

1004
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:23.760
That is true.

1005
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:27.179
But 1st contact would be great, do they?

1006
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:28.800
Yeah, 1st contact would be great.

1007
01:07:28.860 --> 01:07:30.059
I think like...

1008
01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:36.179
Yeah, yeah, I think after that, maybe original track or something.

1009
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:37.139
Oh, yeah.

1010
01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:38.820
But a really terrible one.

1011
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:44.699
I need, so they've done 8 or 9 episodes now of series 5 of Flow of Decks.

1012
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:46.619
It like ends in a week or so.

1013
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:52.500
And I've only seen the 1st two. um so I need to properly do that.

1014
01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:58.139
But I'm not doing anything except editing podcasts.

1015
01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:02.639
I'm sort of doing a lot of reading for podcasts.

1016
01:08:02.699 --> 01:08:07.079
I'm doing a lot of listening because Microsoft comes in waves, we've finished big.

1017
01:08:07.139 --> 01:08:12.360
He sometimes, when he's got loads of 2 or 2 to do, he's like, oh, yeah, we won't listen today.

1018
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:18.060
And then when he ain't, he's like, right, we've got to listen to loads of big fins over, we're doing dark, dark Empire for that.

1019
01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:21.180
And um...

1020
01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:24.960
Yeah, and and we're doing a lot of films at the moment as well.

1021
01:08:25.020 --> 01:08:26.039
That tin drummer.

1022
01:08:26.100 --> 01:08:26.939
Have you seen that?

1023
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:29.279
Very...

1024
01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:33.960
I mean, beautifully made in, I think it's the 70s.

1025
01:08:34.020 --> 01:08:47.880
Yeah, I remember it being a thing, even when I was a little boy who decided that he'd had enough of the adults around him and he wasn't going to grow up anymore and he's got his little tin drum and he's got a voice where he screams really loud and breaks glass, right?

1026
01:08:47.939 --> 01:08:50.579
There's one great bit where he's in the church and he's had enough of the church.

1027
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:54.000
So he starts screaming his head off with all the winds and stuff, matching.

1028
01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:56.460
Just to liven things up a bit.

1029
01:08:56.460 --> 01:09:01.260
And then, because it's in Germany and the Nazi movements gain traction.

1030
01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:04.560
And so he's got a lot of, but it's just so weird.

1031
01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:10.199
I just didn't understand what point it was trying to make apart from.

1032
01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:15.119
Here's the viewpoint of this quite scary little child.

1033
01:09:15.539 --> 01:09:19.439
As Nazism took hold and...

1034
01:09:19.500 --> 01:09:21.840
And you saw wicked last night?

1035
01:09:22.439 --> 01:09:24.899
Oh, I loved her out.

1036
01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:32.460
It's so good I was I was really and colour me. being an idiot because I said to him.

1037
01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:34.439
Oh, fuck sake, 2.5 hours.

1038
01:09:34.500 --> 01:09:36.720
I said, the fucking play's only an hour and a half .

1039
01:09:36.779 --> 01:09:41.279
Yeah, and the thing was too, I was exhausted.

1040
01:09:41.340 --> 01:09:43.020
I had like 5 hours sleep.

1041
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:44.159
I'd had all day at work.

1042
01:09:44.220 --> 01:09:45.659
It was Friday night.

1043
01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:48.720
It was starting at 9 or something and I was going, what the fuck?

1044
01:09:48.779 --> 01:09:50.340
Why have I ever agreed to do this?

1045
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:53.939
And I was just entranced. was so good.

1046
01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:55.619
The last 10 minutes.

1047
01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:59.520
It's the 1st time in ages I've had like goosies.

1048
01:09:59.880 --> 01:10:02.699
The whole defying gravity sequence.

1049
01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:06.060
I just, and the woman next to me was in tears.

1050
01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:07.920
She was literally in tears.

1051
01:10:07.979 --> 01:10:09.479
It's so good.

1052
01:10:09.539 --> 01:10:13.979
I, and I thought, like, what's the name of the actress playing alphabet?

1053
01:10:14.100 --> 01:10:16.500
Just so, so great.

1054
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:19.260
Oh, um, ridiculous. incredible.

1055
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:23.039
But for me, the MVP we are was Ariana Grande.

1056
01:10:23.100 --> 01:10:31.979
Because I just, I just thought, like, she had a harder role to play because she was such an obnoxious narcist.

1057
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:35.100
And I just loved every 2nd of her.

1058
01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:37.859
All of those little comedy quirks she was doing.

1059
01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:40.260
It's really brilliant, isn't it?

1060
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:41.699
Because just the way...

1061
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:45.479
I mean, I just think that, you know, it's it's the Doctor Who thing, right?

1062
01:10:45.539 --> 01:10:51.840
that the villain isn't a bad guy, because the villain at least thinks there's something wrong with the status quo.

1063
01:10:51.899 --> 01:10:56.279
Did you see Doctor Horrible sing-along blog with Neil Patrick Arrons?

1064
01:10:56.340 --> 01:10:57.659
It's really good.

1065
01:10:57.720 --> 01:10:59.699
Nathan Fillion and Neil Patrick Harris.

1066
01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:03.539
And it's the thing, the villains, the villains are opposed to the status quo.

1067
01:11:03.539 --> 01:11:16.739
And, you know, she's growing in like alphabet is in a situation where Oz is being like kind of overtaken by creeping fascism and she's a villain in that context.

1068
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:19.920
You know, like awful kids, that shez as well.

1069
01:11:19.979 --> 01:11:23.279
And that brilliant sequence in the middle.

1070
01:11:23.340 --> 01:11:27.239
I couldn't believe how well it was done where she's doing the weird dance.

1071
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:35.640
And then Glenda decides to do the weird dance as well because she's coming then Bowen Wang and those...

1072
01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:36.300
Everybody else.

1073
01:11:36.300 --> 01:11:38.460
Oh, this is in now, is it?

1074
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:43.800
Even though they were being patronising shits about it just moments earlier.

1075
01:11:44.220 --> 01:11:47.520
Ah, no, so so good.

1076
01:11:47.579 --> 01:11:48.720
Yeah, so good.

1077
01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:52.560
I didn't even realise that was the fella from Time Heist. had no idea.

1078
01:11:52.619 --> 01:12:00.000
Mark told me afterwards and I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. from time ice.

1079
01:12:00.060 --> 01:12:01.800
Well, he's done...

1080
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:02.880
He's the main guy.

1081
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:06.000
He was channelling his inner Rupert Emory, didn't you think?

1082
01:12:06.060 --> 01:12:08.399
I think he literally was.

1083
01:12:09.659 --> 01:12:19.260
Well, he came in, that character, he came in apparently and just said, all right, canonically this character is A English and B bisexual and fuck it.

1084
01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:20.880
Oh, great.

1085
01:12:21.060 --> 01:12:21.899
Because he's very gay.

1086
01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:28.739
He has sex with Phoebe Waller Bridges, his character in Phoebe Wallerbridge's character has sex in series 2 of Broadchurch.

1087
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:32.460
It's like he's in Broadchurch.

1088
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:35.579
That's where I 1st saw him and he's adorable in that.

1089
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:37.680
Like, I think he's a little reporter or something.

1090
01:12:37.739 --> 01:12:43.739
Um, and, and I think Phoebe Wallerbridge is like part of...

1091
01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:48.119
I just remember being good in time highs, but not that, not that memorable.

1092
01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:52.020
It was just a...

1093
01:12:52.020 --> 01:12:59.520
And he's got a little puppy fat in timeized, and now he's like shredded as fuck because he appeared shirtless in Bridgerton for a whole season and stuff.

1094
01:12:59.579 --> 01:13:03.239
So he's ridiculously ripped and sort of terribly hot and stuff.

1095
01:13:03.779 --> 01:13:09.420
They just gave every creative choice in that movie. perfectly.

1096
01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:13.560
Like, I just was like, this is, I can't find a flaw in this.

1097
01:13:13.619 --> 01:13:15.000
It's the perfect length.

1098
01:13:15.060 --> 01:13:17.279
The perfect actor.

1099
01:13:17.340 --> 01:13:18.479
It's wonderful.

1100
01:13:19.260 --> 01:13:25.979
So, Calvin and I went down to Melbourne to see it because I I think we may have seen it twice.

1101
01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:27.659
It didn't come to Sydney originally.

1102
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:34.319
Sydney's theatres aren't as good as Melbourne's, and so sometimes we don't get things, and so every so often we'd fly down to Melbourne.

1103
01:13:34.380 --> 01:13:36.539
It's like a less than an hour flight.

1104
01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:41.159
And Melbourne's nice, like it's some cooler than Sydney.

1105
01:13:41.220 --> 01:13:44.579
It's a little bit more, like everyone's better dressed.

1106
01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:45.899
It's just kind of nice.

1107
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:47.460
It's where Cameron.

1108
01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:48.239
I would never go there then.

1109
01:13:48.300 --> 01:13:50.399
Oh, terribly.

1110
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:53.220
Yeah, I dress terribly too.

1111
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:53.699
That's fine.

1112
01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:55.079
So they look at you.

1113
01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:56.760
You're not from around here, are you?

1114
01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:00.180
It's really nice.

1115
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:02.520
And so we went down there and went and saw it.

1116
01:14:02.579 --> 01:14:04.619
And I have no memory of it.

1117
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:06.779
It made no impression at all the musical.

1118
01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:08.699
I just didn't...

1119
01:14:08.699 --> 01:14:10.199
Yeah, I saw her in London.

1120
01:14:10.260 --> 01:14:11.460
I really loved it.

1121
01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:13.979
And then sort of, I, there's 3 songs.

1122
01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:15.420
I love.

1123
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:17.640
So I added them to a music playlist.

1124
01:14:17.699 --> 01:14:23.579
So they come around all the time and that's, what is this feeling popular and defying gravity?

1125
01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:25.680
So I know those songs inside out and back to front.

1126
01:14:25.739 --> 01:14:26.880
Yeah, because they always turn up.

1127
01:14:26.939 --> 01:14:29.640
And I was just like, okay, I said to them on the way.

1128
01:14:29.699 --> 01:14:33.659
I said, if they ruin those 3 songs.

1129
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:36.000
Oh, and they just were great.

1130
01:14:36.060 --> 01:14:38.819
And did you hear about Ariana Grande?

1131
01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:43.500
They said to her, we want to do a modern punky version of popular?

1132
01:14:43.500 --> 01:14:45.840
And she said, no.

1133
01:14:45.899 --> 01:14:48.119
She goes, don't you dare?

1134
01:14:48.180 --> 01:15:04.380
I will not do this movie if you do that because I've wanted to play Glinda my entire life and it's those songs that I love and it's those songs that everybody loves and they were going to do this sort of like really hip version of popular and she just said no.

1135
01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:12.180
Well, in fact, because remember the, you know, the original actor who plays Glinda...

1136
01:15:13.319 --> 01:15:13.800
Yeah, yeah.

1137
01:15:13.859 --> 01:15:15.119
No, no, no.

1138
01:15:15.180 --> 01:15:20.520
No, the original one who played Glinda in the Wizard of Oz. like in the movie, the Wizard of Oz.

1139
01:15:20.579 --> 01:15:39.359
Um, you know, has that sort of um, vibrato, you know, like horrible uh, soprano vibrato that is so weird sounding and she does it. occasionally does it and certainly kind of, um, like, uh, you know, refers to it.

1140
01:15:39.420 --> 01:15:42.119
I think it's so great because that's the other thing too, isn't it?

1141
01:15:42.180 --> 01:15:46.380
She is playing just the ridiculously privileged white woman.

1142
01:15:46.500 --> 01:15:47.279
Oh, well.

1143
01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:51.359
Like, like, it's so, it's so terrific.

1144
01:15:51.420 --> 01:15:54.479
Like, and the race thing works incredibly well as well.

1145
01:15:54.539 --> 01:15:58.260
Having alphabet played by just a black woman.

1146
01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:00.060
Like it just works so well.

1147
01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:06.779
Oh, God, I knew I was going to love her, but she comes down in her bubble at the beginning.

1148
01:16:07.859 --> 01:16:16.079
And then she's like, yeah, well, I've got all this work to do and she makes the bubble walk in and they're like, hey, didn't you, weren't you friends with her once?

1149
01:16:16.140 --> 01:16:18.420
She's like, sorry I can't hear you through the bubble.

1150
01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:19.020
Hang on.

1151
01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:20.760
I'll just pop it again.

1152
01:16:20.819 --> 01:16:23.100
I was like, oh, yeah, this is I've got it.

1153
01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:24.300
I've got it right.

1154
01:16:25.979 --> 01:16:28.680
That's great too, isn't it?

1155
01:16:28.739 --> 01:16:31.560
That musical that starts off with nobody mourns the wicked.

1156
01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:45.420
And, you know, like, it's ding dong the witch is dead. like the most memorable song from the original film, and they kind of go, no, we're doing this differently, but with the same sentiment.

1157
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:47.039
Please in the 2nd one, though.

1158
01:16:47.100 --> 01:16:49.020
Can they just put it in that?

1159
01:16:49.079 --> 01:16:50.159
I love from Wizard of Oz.

1160
01:16:50.220 --> 01:16:51.899
You know, when she's peddling on the bike?

1161
01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:59.579
The evil da da da da da da I think there's gonna be more...

1162
01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:01.920
I think there's going to be more Wizard of Oz in the 2nd film.

1163
01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:13.920
Calvin bought me the book as well, and I never ended up reading it, and now I kind of want to, because all of that talking animal stuff is obviously not in the musical because how do you do that on stage?

1164
01:17:13.979 --> 01:17:18.239
Mark's got like a big Finnish version that they did, the audiobook.

1165
01:17:18.300 --> 01:17:22.260
Um, and it's good cast as well of Wizard of Oz.

1166
01:17:22.260 --> 01:17:24.300
Um, Yeah, I don't know why.

1167
01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:26.819
They did some random, very random things early on.

1168
01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:29.220
But yeah, he said we'll watch that.

1169
01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:30.600
Listen to that even.

1170
01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:35.340
Well, I've read the book, The Wizard of Ours, a few times, and it is super weird.

1171
01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:38.699
Like, it's fucking weird that with L. Frank Bourne, was it...

1172
01:17:38.699 --> 01:17:41.579
Absolute crackpot.

1173
01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:43.859
Um, yeah.

1174
01:17:44.460 --> 01:17:49.800
Um, yes, very most crap. not crazy.

1175
01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:56.520
Yeah, no, but this was sort of crazy in a particular American turn of the century kind of way.

1176
01:17:56.579 --> 01:18:03.659
Um, all about health and special underclothes and things like just a fucking weirdo.