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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back on a series that we haven't done since January, I

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think.

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It's Star Trek Picard, and it's Sancho Picard series one, episode

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4 Absolute Candour.

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I don't know who any of the writers are, so I can't even remember

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their name, but it is directed by our Jonathan Frakes.

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This, to me, is going to be a little bit like coming on a podcast

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and talking about chapter 4 of a novel.

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The transitionary chapter between chapter 3 and chapter 5, which

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are 3 and 5 are fantastic chapters, right?

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And four, it's got its moments, but you know, it's sort of doing

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the business of getting us to five.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It strikes me that this is, this is four, and it sees the

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introduction of a new character in Elnor, and then in the very

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last minute or so, the introduction of yet another new character

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in 7, and we start the episode with Gerati and Rios having, I

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think, their 1st conversation together.

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So I think Gerati has just joined at the end of episode 3

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perhaps.

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And so we're taking quite a while to assemble the crew.

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And in the meantime, some nonsense is going on on a Borg cube and

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who knows what's happening there.

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I mean, those scenes on the ball cube.

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I think they were the worst of the season because they were

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interminably long and threaded through about 5 episodes and you

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got maybe like a one or 2 scenes per episode.

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And it's just the sort of thing that back in the 90s and I'm going

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to make a few comparisons back in the 90s, somewhat positively

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unusually.

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They would have just all been shoved in one episode and we would

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have just done it and got it over and done with.

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It does make coming back to these a bit confusing when you watch

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them out of context because you're like, well, I have no idea what

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happened on the Borg cube before this.

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I don't know where this is going.

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All I know is this is a single scene of apparently relevance, but

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of no relevance at all to the episode I'm watching.

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It's all very confusing.

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And I think that that was probably my experience of watching

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series one.

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I think I remember some things clicking into place, and in

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particular, there's a scene, a few episodes on from here where we

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see that Agnes has been exposed to a thing called the admonition

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by Commodore O, which explains.

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Oh, was that where she murders somebody?

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Well, she she will, I think, next week.

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Doesn't she matter?

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Does she murder someone?

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No.

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No, it's the scene at the very beginning of an episode where she

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sees a vision that some Romulans have seen, including the mad

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woman in this week's episode, and that's a vision of Soji calling

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upon the scary tentacle things from space at the final, sort of at

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the end of episode 10 that are going to come and destroy all

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organic life.

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And so it is made clear what's going on.

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There's a very simple kind of structure to the series, which is

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Picard has to chase and save Data's daughter from some Romulans

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who hate synths.

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And I think that's made sort of clear very early on.

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We know it's the Tal Shiar.

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He explains that to Elanor in this episode.

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And I think we do eventually get there, but I don't know.

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I think they're still kind of feeling their way, and I don't think

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that they successfully structure the season very well.

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And so while I think it all comes out fine in the end and it tells

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a coherent story, I think there are points in the season where

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you're kind of going, I'm really not sure what's going on here.

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It's a very novel way of telling a Star Trek season by turning it

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into a novel, but it isn't a novel.

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So, and in a novel, when you're reading a passage.

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Now you've got the time.

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You have to have the time to sort of explain imagery and how

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people are feeling in a TV show.

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You kind of have to go from moment to moment.

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So you have these individual moments in episodes, but there isn't

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really the time to explain what it's all about.

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And you're right, it does all sort of come together in the last

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two.

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For example, what you said there about assembling the regulars and

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we had a bit of chat before doing this about, you know, you have 2

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or 3 episodes, maybe 4, where each episode introduces a new

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regular, right?

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And that's an interesting approach to doing it.

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As long as sort of those introductory stories are interesting in

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their own right, more on that later.

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But looking at the series as an overview now, and we can because

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it's over.

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Yeah, we don't get a lot of time with these characters.

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Yeah.

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We get 2 seasons with them.

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So I don't want to waste precious time doing a whole episode

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setting them up and bringing them in.

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I just want them in so I can have 2 seasons with this fantastic

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group because the thing that Picard gets right, and I didn't

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really see it at the time, and I really appreciate it now, is it

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developed a new ensemble for a new type of Star Trek show, and

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those characters are fucking great.

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They're well cast.

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They're well written and they have brilliant chemistry together.

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And I do think it was a mistake.

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I get why we went and did TNG in the last season.

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It's the last hurrah for that crew and all of that.

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But a part of me is annoyed because I think they did bring

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together something really great and it had legs and those

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characters could have gone on and had 2 or 3 more seasons together

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telling great, great stories.

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So sort of doing these stately introductions to all of these

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characters.

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I think that works if we're then going to go on and have 5 or 6

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seasons with them and explore those characters really well.

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But we don't.

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And so it kind of feels like a bit of a waste of time.

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And that's how I felt watching this episode was there's good stuff

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on the screen.

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It's well filmed.

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It's mostly well written.

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It's certainly well performed, but fuck me, get on with it.

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I want to start having fun with these characters.

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So, I think that this is trying to do, like, this is trying to

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structure itself the way that Game of Thrones stars. isn't it?

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And the way that other prestige TV does.

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And so it's not what we're used to at all, but it is absolutely

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not unusual for a prestige for a prestige TV show to have some

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kind of subplot going on somewhere whose significance only becomes

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apparent later and that has, you know, the various characters in

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the different subplots crashing into one another and stuff.

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So that seems like a normal way of structuring it.

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It's not where we land, I think, eventually with discovery, for

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instance, or with Picard series 3, which I think does a better job

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discovery eventually, and Picard series 3 of serialisation of

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giving you something to watch, if you're just tuning in for a

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week.

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I think this very nearly does that because I think the Eleanor

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story is important because it tells us something about Picard that

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we didn't know and that maybe Picard didn't know either.

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And I think that's interesting because what this series does, and

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I think one of the reasons that they get Patrick Stewart back, is

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that it comments on the politics of the time.

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This is broadcast in 2020 and we've just had the 1st Trump

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presidency.

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We've had Brexit and we have these governments that are turning

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inward and becoming hostile to international obligations.

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And Star Trek the Next Generation was so much about coalition

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building about, you know, helping refugees, all of that sort of

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stuff.

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So the Romulan supernova incident thing is set up in nemesis, isn't

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it?

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That's where we sort of 1st hear about it.

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And so they follow up with that.

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And what happens is this massive disaster that we saw happening in

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children of Mars, and suddenly we turn inwards, and suddenly we

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are no longer generous enough to help other people in need.

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And all of that's really interesting.

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And I think, as I said, I think that's how they get Stuart back.

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And we learned about this in Children of Mars and we learned about

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it in the interview in episode one of Picard, which appears at the

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beginning of the previously on thing.

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But what we don't know yet and what Picard doesn't really know yet

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is that he let Starfleet's refusal to help stop him from helping

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and stop him from keeping his promises.

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And he's confronted with that in a proper way, 1st by Elanor, and

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then by those Romulans at the bar.

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And he, he, he apologises and admits that he was as much in the

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wrong as the Federation was.

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And I thought that was good.

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That was a story that was worth telling. particularly given how

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important that is to the rest of the thing.

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Like, this isn't a story about the Borg, Picard series one, it's

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not a story about the Borg at all.

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It is a story about the Romulans.

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And so I thought that was good.

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And I thought that this planet Vashti, the Romulan resettlement

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centre on Vashti, looks amazing.

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You know, it's a really good and convincing setting.

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And I also thought that Eleanor character worked really well.

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And the woman, the woman who plays Zani, the Romulan sincerity nun

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she's amazing.

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Like, she's astoundingly great.

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And so I'm glad we got to meet her too.

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So many things to say about what you just said there.

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And obviously, we will go into the episode in a second.

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I found it all very worthy.

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I found all of that stuff very worthy, you know, but worthy does

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not mean particularly entertaining or exciting or fun.

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I was going nodding my head going, Yes, yes, I see what they're

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doing here.

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This is very competently done television.

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But at no point was I going, my God, I can't wait to see the next

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scene.

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What the hell's coming next, you know?

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And I do need a bit of that.

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I do, especially when the 1st half of the episode is everyone on

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spaceships, just standing around talking.

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So it just feels like nothing, there's no incident in this.

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Well, there's a few there's there's a few shots fired before the

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end of the episode.

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Thank God.

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But the other thing, yeah, you've made a comparison with Game of

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Thrones there, yeah. absolutely prestige TV, hugely popular until

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that dismal last season.

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But it's also really slow.

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Very slow indeed.

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And, you know, like, yeah, I think 90s trek did things too

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quickly.

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They would, you know, we said it. in a session.

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They did this huge political upheaval in a 45 minutes with 3

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characters. back to the status quo.

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Yeah, exactly. this is the other end of that.

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We do this over 10 episodes. 10 hours, you know.

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So there's a lot of like going from A to B and talking about how

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important all this stuff is.

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And that's not particularly exciting.

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When we get there in the end, in the last 2 episodes, and there's

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enormous flowers in space and huge space battles and all of the

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Android planets, it's absolutely incredible, but getting there is

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a bit of a chore.

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But one real positive I want to say about series one, and again

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I'm making an unpleasant comparison to season 3 of Picard, is I

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think they took far more risk series as well.

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It's so easy to come in and go, right, we're going to bring the

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next generation crew together and 7 of 9 and the founders from

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Deep Space 9 and we're going to shove them on the Enterprise

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bridge and then add them fight a ball cube at the end.

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That is possibly the laziest summation I can think of.

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And it is great because it ticks all of our fan boxes and

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nostalgias and all of this.

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But it's why I sit there watching that season going, well, really

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this is where we were heading, is it?

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Whereas in one, they had sort of picking up that rock again and

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showing uglier sides of the Federation, I find all that stuff

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really interesting.

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They're doing really interesting things visual.

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I remember watching that 1st episode and you know the fight that

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happens in that sort of concrete area and all of that and it's a

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bit more visceral and nasty as well.

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A bit like Discover Discovery series one as well.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, to have that admiral swearing at Picard. and all this, and

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it's all a bit nasty and weird and not at all Star Trek the Next

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Generation.

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That's why I'm a bit pissed that we end up in Star Trek, the next

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generation at the end.

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Because they're trying something new.

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And actually, do you know what?

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There's faltering 1st steps, but I think, I'd really think they

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could have got somewhere truly impressive with that approach if

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they'd have just let it run, and I know Straits old and he didn't

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want to keep going.

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And all of this, but fuck me, I can see the potential here.

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I really can.

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I think there's a lot to be said for the idea that we've got

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Patrick Stewart willing to do some more Star Trek.

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We'll just do however much he likes, we'll pretty much do whatever

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he wants.

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And I do think that that final season is great because, of course

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it has all of those familiar elements in it, but it's not really

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very much like Star Trek and Next Generation at all, you know

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apart from those familiar characters.

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So taking those familiar characters, adding a few decades to them

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and getting them to act in a show that's quite different in tone.

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I think is... to actual characters rather than caricatures, yeah.

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Yeah.

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What a bold move.

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I know I know.

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Like, so I'm sorry, I kind of came out of this episode a bit

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disappointed.

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But I was reminded of the things that pissed me off when I 1st

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watched Picard Series one that I now think were opportunities

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rather than just trying to annoy fans of Star Trek the Next

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Generation.

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There's something here.

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I don't think they're there, but there's absolutely something

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here.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I will count as in.

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I trust you will um, you will be talking with absolute candour in

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this episode. as always.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Previously on.

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Yes.

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Beautiful chateau.

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Yeah, the thing about this too is I always think it's cheaper to

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do a ship because you have standing sets.

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You don't really have to create a new world or these sort of

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environments every week.

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And eventually that's where Picard goes.

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This is, you know, this is basically on La Serena and a planet.

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But, you know, we complain that it does take a long time to get

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the crew together, but gosh, we go to a lot more varied and

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interesting places in those 4 episodes than we would have in 4

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episodes of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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Although, to be fair, no, they did just set up the crew and

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encounter a far point, and then we went to 4 separate planets just

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with the crew established in that.

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Yeah.

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Boring planets.

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Yes, exactly. where they were patronised and then left, you know

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in a worse place than when they became.

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But, yeah.

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That's a generation for you.

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Good grief. so much has occurred so far.

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We're going from place to place here to all these characters.

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Yeah, so we will see that woman.

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So the woman who menaces Soji with a gun is called Ramdar, and she

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does feature in this episode.

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Look at this shot of the sort of Romulan relocation.

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I know.

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Ridiculously expensive.

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Yeah, yeah, it looks great, doesn't it?

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And just this, that doing that sort of washed out look, though.

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Whenever TV goes to like Mexico.

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It's that sort of yellow.

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Everything's yellow.

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I mean, we're in California, but yes, everything is very yellow.

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Not like California of the 90s.

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So is it?

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No, it does convince.

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And look, why do they call him sister boy?

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And then he says, bite me.

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So this is this is little Elanor.

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Oh, and Picard's arrived.

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And I was kind of going, why is he called Sister Boy?

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and it's because, of course, he's a little boy who lives with the

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sisters, you know, like he, he, a boy shouldn't be living with the

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uh, Kawat Milan, and he kind of...

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He's a sensitive boy, you know, because he's been brought up with

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all these fabulous women.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, I did promise I was going to say someone you weren't going to

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like in this.

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Oh okay.

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Do you want me to get it over and done with?

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Yeah, go on.

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I find that character very boring indeed.

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Oh, he's so pretty though.

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No, he's pretty.

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Yeah, but there's just, there's not a lot of personality there.

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I'll say that In fact, they end up playing for laughs in later

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episodes.

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Like, he's mostly a comedy character.

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He's great when they do play him for laughs.

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That's much better, but not really here.

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As I say, it's very worthy.

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So, so I, I don't know why they've got a kid with an American

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accent playing him when Evan is Australian.

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I grew up in Melbourne.

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And one of the things that we never get as Australians, except for

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Farscape, which is a show that I've never heard of and will never

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watch at me if you like, but I'm never, ever going to watch it.

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You never see Australians on science fiction shows.

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And so having an Australian regular and having this kid who just

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sounds like a surfy, like just the way he talks.

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He sounds like a surfy boy, but he looks like an elf, you know.

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I can't believe you just said, at me if you won.

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Not everybody.

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Get at him now.

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All right.

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No, no.

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And I do see what they're doing.

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And I do think it's an interesting approach.

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So that sort of character.

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I, it just doesn't sing with me, you know, like, I, I think it's a

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good performance.

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But I just think he's a bit doll.

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The other thing too, that I think it does is that it introduces

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because it's been some years since we've regularly seen Picard on

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telly, and so there's enough time for there to be someone like

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Raffi, who he has a very, very close relationship with.

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There's some personality, Nathan.

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This is 14 years before the rest of the episode.

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This is set 14 years.

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And Rafi is contacting him and overcomes to tell him about the

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attack on Mars at the end of the episode.

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That attack on Mars.

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I think, was such a genius move.

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I think it's doing the same thing that Discovery is doing in three

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with all of the ships blowing up that I live in like that.

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But it's less, I think, it's a bit much in 33 of discovery of

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every single spaceship blowing up and all that loss of life.

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This is a terrorist attack, which is beautifully executed when we

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see it as well.

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Very scary, actually, that short trips.

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And then it has all of these consequences for the show as a

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result.

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I think it was just a really savvy move.

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There's a great, I think one of the later episodes opens with us

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seeing the synths carrying out the attack on Mars, which is super

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interesting.

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See, I love this too, where we're intercutting between him play

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sword fighting with Elnor and reading the story.

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And there's one moment where Elanor says, what's parrying?

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And he says, I'll show you tomorrow.

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And, you know, by the end of the episode, he's, you know, the best

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swordsman that you could possibly imagine and stuff.

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I think all of that's kind of adorable.

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He's giving the phone call.

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Refreshing.

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Yeah, here is for a bit you see him having fun.

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Not anymore. because he just found out about the terror attack.

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But you don't really have a lot of fun in this season.

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So he's much more chilled out when they head back into time in

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series two, you know?

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or when he's got his gang back together in series 3.

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So this, like, he looks like an Englishman, doesn't he, going to

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sort of, you know, yeah, going to, and I love that too.

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Where he doesn't stop, stand, you know, stand there and wait to be

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beamed up.

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He just walks off and he's beamed up as he walks off and our last

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shot is of of Elanor seeing him for the last time.

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Like he doesn't see him for another 14 years.

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Him in that suit, I was just imagining, you know, some tedious

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Englishman turning up in India back in the day, you know, right?

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I'm here to civilise you all, you know.

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Yeah, it's what James Bond would wear in NASA, you know, like, you

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know, it's very stately music, this.

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I feel as if they're going for the DS9 effect, but I love all the

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imagery, though. visual titles.

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But again, this is what prestige TV is doing in title sequences

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isn't it?

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Like, well, I prefer the sort of the Strange New Worlds, but, yeah

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dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

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You know, a bit more exciting.

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But I mean, it's gorgeous. gorgeous, yeah.

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And I did miss it in series 3 where they just went for the 1st

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contact music, you know, because of course they did.

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I feel the listeners of Untitled Star Trek Project should prepare

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themselves because I am just going to spend the next 40 minutes

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now pointing out every single hot man that's on the screen because

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the ratio of hot men in this episode is very much in my favour.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Certainly more hot men in this episode than in 7 years of Star

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Trek, the Next Generation.

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What, just love?

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Oh, really, wasn't it?

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Yeah, it's basically the far.

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Oh, no, no, when this is the moment where we get the Star Trek, the

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Next Generation music.

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I think the music is beautiful in this episode too.

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I do like how they put the director's name at the end of the

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credits now as well.

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You know, it used to be just subtly put in at the bottom of the

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screen in the 90s, wasn't it?

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Oh, here's Rios.

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Now, he is the hottest character in all 60 years of Star Trek

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barnum.

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He's really hot.

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I mean, jeez, Louise, he's beautiful.

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Nathan, right?

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When I went out to Columbia for those 3 months, yeah.

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I had a bit of an affair with a Colombian model and take away the

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scruff around his face and they do look quite alike, actually, you

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know, it could be wild, so attracted to him.

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Oh, I was a good free months.

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No, he's super handsome and there are a lot of him on board the

460
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ship.

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Remember later on there's a scene where Raffi is talking to all of

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the Rioz holograms and it's kind of like sweetheart.

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Why are you talking?

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You're in holodeck.

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We've already established the night is what these holodecks are

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for.

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Get to it.

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Oh, I love this.

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What's this actress's name?

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Uh, Alison Peele.

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She is so great.

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She turned up in M. Night Schmalians.

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I can never say his surname.

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Yes, in his latest trap, which was a terrible film, but she had

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the best scene in it where the serial killer goes home and she's

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the wife of the serial killer and she knows he's a serial killer

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and there's a tense domestic moment.

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She acted it to the hill.

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She's a real talent.

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Yeah, she's great.

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She's really good.

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In fact, she's so convincing that a bit later on in this season

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where she's tortured by the Vulcan lady.

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It's very unpleasant to watch.

485
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She's a Romulan.

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Oh, God.

487
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I don't have the shoulder pants anymore.

488
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Actually, everyone thinks she's a Vulcan, isn't it?

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Commodore.

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Oh.

491
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Like everyone thinks she's a Vulcan.

492
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She's in disguise as a Vulcan.

493
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The trouble is all the makeup's too good now, you know?

494
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It's like, it's too subtle for me.

495
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Well, in fact, there's a massive problem because it's high

496
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definition, everyone has to be properly made up.

497
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:42.839
You can't just do shitty makeup on the background artists.

498
00:25:42.900 --> 00:25:46.440
Oh, and sorry, I'm going to make another unfair comparison with

499
00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:47.460
series three.

500
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:49.859
I fucking love this spaceship of Rios's.

501
00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:52.380
It's such a different look, right?

502
00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:53.700
It's like a bloody warehouse.

503
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:55.079
It's wonderful.

504
00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:58.200
It's a huge warehouse with all these fabulous screens flying in

505
00:25:58.200 --> 00:25:59.160
the air that you touch.

506
00:25:59.220 --> 00:26:00.839
Oh, it's wonderful.

507
00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:03.960
When they go back to the carpet. like, what are you doing?

508
00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:12.240
So yeah, so this is, of course, um, Santiago Cabrera playing Mr

509
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:16.680
Hospitality, hologram.

510
00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:22.140
Um, and all of them have, like, a lot of them have names, like the

511
00:26:22.140 --> 00:26:27.299
the emergency tactical holograms called Emmett, you know, emergency

512
00:26:27.299 --> 00:26:28.259
tactical.

513
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:32.099
And I think the Scottish one who is the engineering one's called

514
00:26:32.099 --> 00:26:32.819
Ian.

515
00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:35.400
But this one is just called Mr. Hospitality.

516
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.460
He doesn't get in lame. the more scruff you give him.

517
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:39.779
The hotter he gets.

518
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:42.000
But has he got any English accent?

519
00:26:42.059 --> 00:26:43.740
He's got an English accent, I think.

520
00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:46.140
He actually does a good hospitality one.

521
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:47.519
All the accents, doesn't he?

522
00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:51.359
Yeah, except he deliberately has a terrible Scottish accent.

523
00:26:51.420 --> 00:26:55.019
And look, I hate that fucking hospitality program.

524
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:56.460
It's such a great line.

525
00:26:56.579 --> 00:26:57.359
I like it.

526
00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.539
The second he walks in, he's like, oh, balls, I'm out.

527
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:01.019
He's gone.

528
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.960
Oh, and Rafi's great as well.

529
00:27:04.019 --> 00:27:06.720
And the unspoken.

530
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:10.200
Well, we do explore it a bit, but the respect that Raffi and

531
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:12.660
Picard have for each other. is so well played.

532
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:14.880
I really like this scene.

533
00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:19.079
There's this thing where she says, you know, I don't, why are we

534
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:19.799
going here?

535
00:27:19.859 --> 00:27:21.180
This is your guilt trip?

536
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:23.579
Like, why are we going here?

537
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:28.079
And he just says to her, I may never pass this way again.

538
00:27:28.380 --> 00:27:32.220
And it's not just because he's old because he already knows he has

539
00:27:32.220 --> 00:27:34.740
the Iromotic syndrome, although they don't call it that.

540
00:27:34.740 --> 00:27:38.519
Um, uh, you know, there's been a conversation with his doctor

541
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:39.240
early on.

542
00:27:39.299 --> 00:27:43.740
So he has the deadly disease that he is dying from all good

543
00:27:43.740 --> 00:27:43.920
things.

544
00:27:43.980 --> 00:27:45.119
Ah, yeah.

545
00:27:45.180 --> 00:27:47.460
Ah, yes, I knew I'd heard it before somewhere.

546
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:48.660
Yeah, they don't use that.

547
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:49.500
They don't say that.

548
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:51.359
Aerodic syndrome.

549
00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:52.980
Trust you to remember it.

550
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:54.539
But...

551
00:27:54.539 --> 00:27:59.640
But, and notice too, that she talks about them putting up a big

552
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:03.180
statue of him, because they all think that everyone thinks he's a

553
00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:07.500
great guy, and that's the thing that gets weak, that he learns

554
00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:09.900
here, that he failed them.

555
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:12.000
He chose to fail them.

556
00:28:12.059 --> 00:28:15.900
And I think that's really interesting, you know, yeah.

557
00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:19.799
See, look, these 4 together in this room.

558
00:28:19.859 --> 00:28:22.559
Yeah, it's really fun ensemble.

559
00:28:22.619 --> 00:28:24.720
What a great ensemble characters.

560
00:28:24.779 --> 00:28:25.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

561
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:25.799
You know.

562
00:28:25.859 --> 00:28:29.400
All well-defined people, all giving great subtle performances.

563
00:28:29.579 --> 00:28:31.980
Next generation who now?

564
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:33.240
I've forgotten what it's like.

565
00:28:33.299 --> 00:28:34.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

566
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:38.220
But I mean, it works too, because Raffi has been here for as long

567
00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:45.000
as, you know, for as long as Riker was originally, you know.

568
00:28:45.059 --> 00:28:48.539
What I what I dislike, though, is that they just do horrible

569
00:28:48.539 --> 00:28:50.039
things to these characters sometimes.

570
00:28:50.099 --> 00:28:54.599
And I know you have to do that sometimes for dramatic purposes, but

571
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:55.980
poor Raffi, man.

572
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:59.579
She has more breakdowns and turns to alcohol.

573
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:01.079
I don't like any of that.

574
00:29:01.140 --> 00:29:06.000
And like I said, Alison Pill's character being tortured horribly

575
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.319
like, I don't like any of that.

576
00:29:07.380 --> 00:29:10.319
And I just think you could do all of it, but just dial it back a

577
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:11.099
bit, you know?

578
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:12.299
them enjoy their lives.

579
00:29:12.420 --> 00:29:15.059
She vomits 3 times.

580
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.240
It's just the ficard episodes that we've already done.

581
00:29:18.299 --> 00:29:24.900
I mean, they take poor little Twinkie Echeb from Star Trek Voyager

582
00:29:24.900 --> 00:29:25.200
right?

583
00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:28.559
and put a drill through his eyeball.

584
00:29:28.619 --> 00:29:30.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

585
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:31.740
Now they make 7 do that.

586
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:33.720
Like they make 7 kill him.

587
00:29:33.779 --> 00:29:36.839
And of course, Hugh is going to be killed later too.

588
00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:40.920
There are ways of torturing characters without bursting eyeballs

589
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:42.359
you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

590
00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:45.359
But I think this is them all feeling their way in.

591
00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:46.319
How far can we go?

592
00:29:46.380 --> 00:29:47.400
What can we do?

593
00:29:47.460 --> 00:29:50.700
And I think they realise because when you get to three, there

594
00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:54.660
isn't anything as nasty as bursting eyeballs and, you know, people

595
00:29:54.660 --> 00:29:56.880
vomit in left, right, and centre and things like that.

596
00:29:57.539 --> 00:30:00.720
Even discovery tones stuff down.

597
00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:04.859
Like series one is quite violent and bloody in discovery and it

598
00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:08.519
never goes and, you know, Strangely Worlds does put its characters

599
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:10.680
through like emotional traumas.

600
00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:12.839
But it is quite light.

601
00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:15.720
You know, if we're going to have a character's chest being burst

602
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:16.859
open, but go on.

603
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:18.539
It's going to be some guest blue alien.

604
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.960
Look at, look at, look at, look at her reaction.

605
00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:24.359
Like, this is so good.

606
00:30:24.420 --> 00:30:27.480
This cells that the 2 of them have known each other for such a

607
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:28.140
long time.

608
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.160
And when he says, I may never pass this way again.

609
00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:35.880
She's trying to dissuade him from going to Vashti and going to

610
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:39.420
Free Cloud instead and look at...

611
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:44.579
He's reluctant to admit it to her and he says it and he raises his

612
00:30:44.579 --> 00:30:50.099
eyebrows and shakes his head and look at her look like like it's

613
00:30:50.099 --> 00:30:51.299
really properly good.

614
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.279
Like, that's a great moment in this episode.

615
00:30:53.339 --> 00:30:54.839
Look at her reaction.

616
00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:57.000
Well, it's doing that thing we talk about a lot.

617
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:03.359
Then you get Alison Peele undermine it with a stupid comment about

618
00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:03.900
brilliant.

619
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.299
You need her there more than ever.

620
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.339
If we're going to be this serious all the time.

621
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:10.859
We need a character that's going to burst that bubble every now

622
00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:11.160
and again.

623
00:31:11.220 --> 00:31:13.619
But that was a really properly well acting scene.

624
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.920
I really liked it It's that thing we talk about all the time about

625
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:22.079
allowing actors to... explore their emotions without putting the

626
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:24.240
words in their mouths. was really good.

627
00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:28.079
And that's one thing that just TV has got better at doing, trusting

628
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:28.619
the actors.

629
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:31.740
So look at what Jonathan Frakes has decided to do.

630
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:37.740
He's superimposed Ramda's face over Soji's face and Ramda is

631
00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:42.059
talking about the destroyer and Soji looks up when she says the

632
00:31:42.059 --> 00:31:45.660
word destroyer because we're going to discover that she's the

633
00:31:45.660 --> 00:31:46.380
destroyer.

634
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:49.079
That's who is being talked about.

635
00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:54.720
And that, um, that whole thing comes from the admonition.

636
00:31:54.779 --> 00:31:58.380
Um, you know, there's a prophecy, but it's a proper prophecy.

637
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:01.680
It actually a message that's been put out for synth to respond

638
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:02.099
to.

639
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:05.880
But it tells such a terrible story about what happens to organic

640
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.339
life that anyone who sees it goes mad.

641
00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:11.640
And so all of that stuff, that prophecy and stuff, that all

642
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:14.400
coheres and is pointing to something, even though it's

643
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:15.660
incomprehensible. right now.

644
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.440
You just got that camera sort of gently span around Patrick

645
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:24.359
Stewart there, you know, allowing us to sort of see his features

646
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:25.200
and all of that.

647
00:32:25.259 --> 00:32:27.779
You know, Jonathan, you you had the right idea right from the

648
00:32:27.779 --> 00:32:27.960
start.

649
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:29.279
Yeah.

650
00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:31.559
What did you up the pace?

651
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:32.940
Quite so much.

652
00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:38.640
Another thing I think Picard did really, really well was it cherry

653
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:40.619
picked moments from Next Generation.

654
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:42.720
So Maddox in a measure from a man.

655
00:32:42.779 --> 00:32:46.740
Soji is a take on Lal from the offspring.

656
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:50.099
It just took these very memorable moments that people still

657
00:32:50.099 --> 00:32:53.519
remember and incorporated him into this 1st series.

658
00:32:53.579 --> 00:32:57.180
So it does feel like a successor to the next generation whilst not

659
00:32:57.180 --> 00:32:58.500
figuring like the next generation.

660
00:32:58.559 --> 00:32:59.700
I thought that was really clever.

661
00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:02.759
So that reaction is pretty good, isn't it?

662
00:33:02.819 --> 00:33:06.240
Like he says, well, why don't you just say it's me and Raffi says

663
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.900
yes, we tried that immediately and it didn't work because no one's

664
00:33:09.900 --> 00:33:10.319
impressed.

665
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:12.839
And he kind of looks, oh, that's surprising.

666
00:33:12.900 --> 00:33:13.859
I thought I was a great guy.

667
00:33:15.059 --> 00:33:19.259
Just you wait until the last episode where they're in the ship in

668
00:33:19.259 --> 00:33:21.720
the middle of a space battle and they're doing comedy routines

669
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:22.799
left, right, the centre.

670
00:33:22.859 --> 00:33:24.539
It's absolutely amazing.

671
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.299
And I really like the fact that Rios is the captain.

672
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:28.680
He's in the middle there.

673
00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:30.660
You know what I mean?

674
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:32.339
Like, we're not doing the next generation.

675
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.160
We're not doing bullshit hierarchy that we had before.

676
00:33:35.579 --> 00:33:39.240
Oh, this is where it all gets a bit worthy for me now, down on the

677
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:39.599
planet.

678
00:33:39.660 --> 00:33:41.759
Yeah, see, but I like that.

679
00:33:41.819 --> 00:33:45.539
You know, like I like Star Trek doing politics and it's sort of

680
00:33:45.539 --> 00:33:48.000
proper politics, I think, you know.

681
00:33:48.059 --> 00:33:51.480
This is why I don't watch politics, though, you know, I find that

682
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:52.440
all very worthy as well.

683
00:33:52.980 --> 00:33:57.720
Um, I do like, I do like all the atmospherics that, uh, Jonathan

684
00:33:57.720 --> 00:33:58.799
Brakes and stuff.

685
00:33:58.859 --> 00:34:02.940
He's got like creatures flying about the screen and things like

686
00:34:02.940 --> 00:34:03.480
that, you know?

687
00:34:03.539 --> 00:34:05.400
And he loves a bit of lens flare.

688
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.079
It does.

689
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:09.539
But like I buy this place.

690
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:10.800
This seems real.

691
00:34:10.860 --> 00:34:12.599
And this, like, what's happening here?

692
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:14.579
Like no backdrop or something?

693
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:19.019
The way that the light is blown out makes it look like it's

694
00:34:19.019 --> 00:34:21.179
outside, but I don't think it is.

695
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:22.559
I think it's just in the studio.

696
00:34:22.619 --> 00:34:24.960
Just shows you where our focus is, really.

697
00:34:25.019 --> 00:34:27.420
You're looking at the gorgeous setting and I'm looking at the piss

698
00:34:27.420 --> 00:34:30.059
of bread and that lovely meat that's being cooked. that does look

699
00:34:30.059 --> 00:34:30.239
good.

700
00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:31.139
It looks lovely.

701
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:34.260
Look at how beautiful she is.

702
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:36.900
And because she's absolutely candid.

703
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:41.340
She says you got old Picard and he says you didn't.

704
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.599
I don't know who did the close captions on this, but they keep

705
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:52.920
saying absolute candle and Admiral Card rather than...

706
00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:55.260
I love this look.

707
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.019
They put her in this costume, so they haven't got to put any

708
00:34:58.019 --> 00:34:58.619
makeup on her.

709
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:00.840
Joe, just got to do her eyebrows up a little bit.

710
00:35:00.900 --> 00:35:02.579
They're learning, you know.

711
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:04.980
They've spent a lot of money on this show, but they've still got

712
00:35:04.980 --> 00:35:05.639
to save somewhere.

713
00:35:05.699 --> 00:35:07.619
And here he is.

714
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:11.039
And of course, the 1st thing he does is drop something or has an

715
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:12.300
accident and says, sorry.

716
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:13.380
Do you know what I mean?

717
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:18.000
Because he will be a silly character, but this moment, you know

718
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:19.260
and I, yeah.

719
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:23.579
Okay, so he's, here is Ramda from last week.

720
00:35:24.900 --> 00:35:28.139
Soji is a great character as well, I think.

721
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:29.699
Unwell.

722
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:31.260
She another one that stitched, isn't she?

723
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.019
Yeah, no, she plays someone different.

724
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:41.699
She appears in episode one of series 2 where her and Gerati get

725
00:35:41.699 --> 00:35:47.159
drunk and they get hit on by Deltons by hot Deltons.

726
00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:51.840
The same alien as I Leah from Star Trek, the Motion Picture.

727
00:35:51.900 --> 00:35:55.619
Um, And then she plays another character.

728
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:59.039
She plays the daughter of one of the songs, remember?

729
00:35:59.099 --> 00:36:00.059
Vaguely.

730
00:36:00.179 --> 00:36:00.780
Yeah.

731
00:36:00.780 --> 00:36:03.000
Like, I think we've made like one or 2 from that series, you

732
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:03.179
know.

733
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:03.900
Yeah.

734
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.480
Oh, look at this hot man as well.

735
00:36:06.539 --> 00:36:07.320
Who is this now?

736
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:08.940
Yeah, so this is Harry Tredaway.

737
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:10.320
He's a twin.

738
00:36:10.380 --> 00:36:14.400
There's Luke Treadaway, who's also an actor who is identical to

739
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:15.960
him, so there's 2 of them.

740
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.659
Is this the series with Celia Emery's son in it?

741
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:24.480
No, the scenery and my son is in um, um, prodigy.

742
00:36:24.539 --> 00:36:26.880
Oh, yeah, zero.

743
00:36:26.940 --> 00:36:27.599
Zero.

744
00:36:27.659 --> 00:36:28.440
He's zero.

745
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:30.900
I get them all confused.

746
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:35.820
But it's funny, Harry Tradaway and his sister are so ridiculously

747
00:36:35.820 --> 00:36:36.659
posh.

748
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:40.380
Like, they're not just English, you've always terribly posh

749
00:36:40.380 --> 00:36:40.980
English people.

750
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:43.860
They're learning the lessons from Hollywood, you know.

751
00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:47.699
They're the most British people you've possibly ever heard in

752
00:36:47.699 --> 00:36:49.320
television and evil.

753
00:36:49.380 --> 00:36:51.840
I mean, she, the woman.

754
00:36:51.900 --> 00:36:52.500
She is great.

755
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.380
She's having a wonderful time playing those lines.

756
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.800
But, Farmulation, these scenes are a bit dull.

757
00:36:58.860 --> 00:36:59.699
Yeah.

758
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:04.139
So I, so what's happening here will lead up to a pretty great

759
00:37:04.139 --> 00:37:09.119
moment where she discovers that she's only 18 months old or

760
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:11.820
something like that and that all of her memories are fake.

761
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:16.679
And he's needling her here because he says that there's no record

762
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:21.659
of her on a ship that she definitely remembers being on.

763
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:23.699
And that's why they have this fight.

764
00:37:23.820 --> 00:37:28.619
But I did like the moment where he says, are you Tal Shiara and he

765
00:37:28.619 --> 00:37:31.199
says, no, because of course he is.

766
00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:35.280
And she says, if you were Talshiar, would you say no?

767
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.980
And he says yes.

768
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:42.480
Um, so, you know, so he's definitely tell Shiha, she's tell

769
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:43.079
Shiha.

770
00:37:43.139 --> 00:37:47.159
Sorry to, yeah, come in with a bizarre detail.

771
00:37:47.219 --> 00:37:50.099
But is that the blue drink from in the pale moonlight he was

772
00:37:50.099 --> 00:37:50.460
drinking there?

773
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.980
Is it a Romulan Romulan ale?

774
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:54.300
Romney, ale, blue.

775
00:37:54.420 --> 00:37:54.659
Yeah.

776
00:37:54.659 --> 00:37:56.699
Apparently, pecant, biola, cats.

777
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.219
I mean, I know all of these ball sets are amazing.

778
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:03.599
There's a scene in the 1st episode where the camera flies into the

779
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:04.860
ball ship, right?

780
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.340
and shows all the layers and it's just the most incredible

781
00:38:08.340 --> 00:38:09.000
visual.

782
00:38:09.059 --> 00:38:11.820
I think maybe they built the set, so they were like, well, we're

783
00:38:11.820 --> 00:38:12.840
going to have a lot of scenes on here then.

784
00:38:13.260 --> 00:38:14.940
We spent the money.

785
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:18.179
You have to have Borg, like at Star Trek, the Next Generation, and

786
00:38:18.179 --> 00:38:21.179
that's the one thing that they contribute to the Star Trek

787
00:38:21.179 --> 00:38:24.480
universe more than anything else, you know, as far as just

788
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.360
aesthetics and visuals and stuff, are concerned.

789
00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:31.860
I think if Picard hadn't had the Borg in it in that 1st season

790
00:38:31.860 --> 00:38:33.420
then we would have wondered where they were.

791
00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:39.900
But instead it is just a backdrop for a story about Romulans.

792
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:42.599
Yeah, I don't know.

793
00:38:42.659 --> 00:38:44.460
I'm kind of done with a ball.

794
00:38:44.579 --> 00:38:46.500
I'm so bored of the Borg now.

795
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:51.480
Next Gen and Voyager and the movies and now this.

796
00:38:51.539 --> 00:38:53.280
I'm just like...

797
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.320
I want to see what the Borg look like in 2020.

798
00:38:55.500 --> 00:38:58.260
It's like, what do they look like on television now if you do them

799
00:38:58.260 --> 00:38:58.679
now?

800
00:38:58.739 --> 00:39:01.079
I think that's absolutely a thing that I want to see.

801
00:39:01.139 --> 00:39:02.880
All the same, but the makeup's a bit better.

802
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.460
Well, yeah, I don't know.

803
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.940
I think they certainly, there's nothing revolutionary done

804
00:39:08.940 --> 00:39:11.280
creatively with the Borg in Picard.

805
00:39:11.340 --> 00:39:13.079
That justifies them being here.

806
00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:14.880
I don't think.

807
00:39:14.940 --> 00:39:16.380
And that's fine.

808
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:19.380
You know, they're ticking boxes, nostalgia, blah, blah, blah.

809
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.619
I get what they're doing You needed the Borg in endgame.

810
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.739
You know, like you couldn't have done it without the Borg, I

811
00:39:25.739 --> 00:39:25.860
think.

812
00:39:25.980 --> 00:39:31.860
But like, I don't know, in this season, like that, that dreadful

813
00:39:31.860 --> 00:39:35.519
90s trek planet they go to with all the androids later on, you

814
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:37.860
know, they can do new stuff.

815
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:38.639
It's just wonderful.

816
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:40.079
Yeah, yeah.

817
00:39:40.139 --> 00:39:40.679
Yeah.

818
00:39:40.739 --> 00:39:43.019
Oh, this is quite hot, actually, look.

819
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:44.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

820
00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:46.260
Well, they're both very attractive, aren't they?

821
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.659
This is him planting the thing.

822
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:50.519
Oh, you know, like you...

823
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:53.340
That is the best thing about Kurtz and Trey, right?

824
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:56.340
So there's so many hot men and women on the screen.

825
00:39:56.460 --> 00:40:00.239
That's it No matter how boring the episode is.

826
00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:01.320
There's always something to watch.

827
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:02.400
There's something to look at.

828
00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:04.079
Yeah.

829
00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:09.179
And so he's deliberately trying to undermine her memories of

830
00:40:09.179 --> 00:40:10.139
herself.

831
00:40:10.739 --> 00:40:14.820
Um, and I think we do find out what happened on the Shinor, and I

832
00:40:14.820 --> 00:40:17.400
think that the people in the Shinor that RAM, that, you know, the

833
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:22.199
question that Harry, that, that, uh, Soji's investigating is that

834
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.079
they saw the admonition and went mad, I think.

835
00:40:25.139 --> 00:40:28.019
I think also to you in the chart, didn't I?

836
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:30.780
There's a lot of context in this episode.

837
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:34.199
It's giving us a lot of information about the overall story

838
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:38.460
without any incident whatsoever.

839
00:40:38.579 --> 00:40:42.119
There is no actual plot occurring at all.

840
00:40:42.179 --> 00:40:47.760
No, I think I think Ray Mating, I think the remaining, um, it's

841
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:48.719
not very long either.

842
00:40:48.780 --> 00:40:52.019
You know, like often these episodes are 60 minutes long, I think.

843
00:40:52.019 --> 00:40:52.800
It's quite short.

844
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:57.480
But like, like, the next week's one, Stardust City Rack.

845
00:40:57.539 --> 00:40:58.860
That's got a plot to it, you know?

846
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.139
and crazy shit going down.

847
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:01.920
It's a lot of fun.

848
00:41:01.980 --> 00:41:02.820
It is pretty amazing.

849
00:41:02.820 --> 00:41:08.519
With another brilliant female villain in it, who's badly over the

850
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:09.119
top.

851
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.219
I thought it was Marina, so it is when I 1st watched it.

852
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.320
I love this.

853
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:16.980
So this guy is called Carcantar.

854
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:18.420
I can't remember how they say it.

855
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:19.860
Karkentar.

856
00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:20.820
Karkentar.

857
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:24.599
He's the guy with the Romulan bird of prey, the ancient Romulan

858
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:25.380
bird of prey.

859
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:29.039
And I think, no, the Klingon bird of prey from original Star

860
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:29.519
Trek.

861
00:41:29.579 --> 00:41:31.739
So we get to see that, which I think is pretty cool.

862
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:35.280
So here we go.

863
00:41:35.340 --> 00:41:39.239
So he's going to ask little Elnor to join him.

864
00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:41.159
But Elnor's annoyed.

865
00:41:41.219 --> 00:41:43.739
He hasn't even said hello.

866
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:44.820
Yeah, good for him.

867
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:47.760
Yeah, you're rude.

868
00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:49.079
Look, you know me from the past.

869
00:41:49.139 --> 00:41:50.340
Come see me and talk to me.

870
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:51.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

871
00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:53.699
We can have a sword fight like we did in the past.

872
00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:54.360
I know.

873
00:41:54.420 --> 00:41:57.420
He was such a thrilling, you know, he was so excited to see

874
00:41:57.420 --> 00:41:58.920
Picard.

875
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:02.460
Do you think he's been thinking about him ever since, you know?

876
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:04.619
that one day.

877
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:06.960
He even says, did you miss me?

878
00:42:07.019 --> 00:42:10.920
You know, like, they're having a conversation about, about the

879
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:14.219
mission or whatever and he just stops and says, did you miss me?

880
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:15.179
like in the middle of it?

881
00:42:15.420 --> 00:42:19.199
Do you think Picard's thought about him much in the intervening

882
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:19.380
years?

883
00:42:19.739 --> 00:42:22.139
He says that he does.

884
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:24.960
I mean, he's had a lot of time. you know, picking those grapes for

885
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:25.920
some time, hasn't he?

886
00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:26.699
A lot of times to think.

887
00:42:26.940 --> 00:42:28.380
Yeah.

888
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:29.340
I don't know.

889
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:31.679
I've loved to get you a bottle of that, Chateau Picard.

890
00:42:31.739 --> 00:42:32.940
It'd be pretty great.

891
00:42:34.139 --> 00:42:36.239
I'll pop into the future.

892
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:38.519
I'll try and get at you for Christmas.

893
00:42:38.579 --> 00:42:39.239
All right.

894
00:42:39.300 --> 00:42:41.460
Is there something in the present?

895
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:41.880
don't know.

896
00:42:41.940 --> 00:42:43.139
It canonically...

897
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:44.219
I've got a mega budget.

898
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:47.159
It's either that or the threshold, Tom Paris figure.

899
00:42:47.219 --> 00:42:48.480
All right?

900
00:42:48.539 --> 00:42:49.920
Okay.

901
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:51.719
You choose.

902
00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:58.199
Yeah, now, look, I'm absolutely certain you will be able to give

903
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:01.260
all of this stuff that's on the screen right now, all of these

904
00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:04.559
conversations, very, very smart readings.

905
00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:07.079
But I was just sort of going, yeah, come on, come on.

906
00:43:07.139 --> 00:43:08.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

907
00:43:08.099 --> 00:43:09.900
There is a lot of talking, isn't there?

908
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:10.920
It is very talky.

909
00:43:10.980 --> 00:43:14.159
Yeah, especially when they can do action so well now.

910
00:43:14.219 --> 00:43:15.300
Yeah.

911
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:16.260
Yeah.

912
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.480
Yeah, it's a funny thing, isn't it?

913
00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:20.219
Because there's always this thing because, you know, we loved

914
00:43:20.219 --> 00:43:23.159
original, like we loved Star Trek the Next Generation.

915
00:43:23.219 --> 00:43:24.599
We loved classic Doctor Who.

916
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:29.099
And the, you know, the classic description of classic Doctor Who

917
00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:35.219
is people standing talking urgently in corridors and Star Trek The

918
00:43:35.219 --> 00:43:37.920
Next Generation is incredibly talky, isn't it?

919
00:43:37.980 --> 00:43:40.079
Like just everyone's talking.

920
00:43:40.139 --> 00:43:41.820
But the difference is, though.

921
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:42.179
Yeah.

922
00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:44.699
Why, that's better for me.

923
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:48.420
And more interesting to watch. is the performances are frequently

924
00:43:48.420 --> 00:43:49.019
terrible.

925
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:55.500
So it's just absurdly entertaining to watch news. very theatrical

926
00:43:55.500 --> 00:43:55.860
you know.

927
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:59.820
I brought down better men than you, Picard. all that sort of stuff

928
00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:00.119
you know.

929
00:44:00.179 --> 00:44:04.559
Whereas this is, everyone's sort of muted and quiet and

930
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:05.820
naturalistic.

931
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:06.599
And do you know what?

932
00:44:06.659 --> 00:44:09.480
That's my normal life and it's really boring my normal life.

933
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:15.059
I also think this is a beautiful set in which this happens with

934
00:44:15.059 --> 00:44:20.039
sort of stunning lighting and stuff and it's nicely directed but

935
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:21.360
not flashily directed.

936
00:44:21.420 --> 00:44:21.780
There you go.

937
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:22.679
Did I miss you?

938
00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:23.460
Did you miss me?

939
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:24.239
Of course I did.

940
00:44:24.300 --> 00:44:26.400
And then go back with your story.

941
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:29.460
Nathan, I'm going to say something, nah, you're not going to be

942
00:44:29.460 --> 00:44:30.300
happy with me, all right?

943
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:31.019
What's that?

944
00:44:31.019 --> 00:44:33.960
Well, you know, you sent me a picture of this beautiful man

945
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:37.139
earlier on his Instagram page playing Elanor, yeah?

946
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:40.079
Have they wired him up a bit in that makeup?

947
00:44:40.139 --> 00:44:41.820
No, they haven't watched it yet.

948
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:44.519
I swear to God he looked darker in those Instagram pictures.

949
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:46.500
No, no.

950
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:48.420
They wouldn't do that.

951
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:50.159
They like they just wouldn't do that.

952
00:44:50.219 --> 00:44:52.800
It's outrageous, frankly, that they took that.

953
00:44:52.860 --> 00:44:54.360
I mean, the picture you sent me.

954
00:44:54.420 --> 00:44:55.559
I mean, I banked it.

955
00:44:55.619 --> 00:44:58.199
Yeah.

956
00:44:58.199 --> 00:44:59.940
I mean, he is.

957
00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:01.199
I think he's still beautiful there.

958
00:45:01.260 --> 00:45:02.760
He's very pretty.

959
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:05.880
They could have done it a bit more subtler, I think, and kept his

960
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:07.619
you know, he had curly hair in real life.

961
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.860
So he has curly hair in series 2 and it looks stupid.

962
00:45:10.980 --> 00:45:14.760
Like, I really like this long sort of mega like, yeah, you know

963
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:17.400
like, I'm not doing Lords of the Rings again. sorry.

964
00:45:17.460 --> 00:45:20.639
If I'm only doing a couple of episodes, I'm going to have my

965
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:24.780
normal hair. thank you very much It's still long, but yeah, no

966
00:45:24.780 --> 00:45:28.139
he's got so I kind of like that, though. like the very, very long

967
00:45:28.139 --> 00:45:29.699
black straight hair.

968
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:30.840
I think it looks really good.

969
00:45:30.900 --> 00:45:34.559
It's really striking and it's not a very Star Trek. look like it's

970
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:35.940
not a very normal Romulan look.

971
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.820
I think I can explain, actually.

972
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:43.019
I think I can probably explain my issue with all of these scenes

973
00:45:43.019 --> 00:45:44.099
down on the planet, you know.

974
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:47.760
If we did an episode of Untiled Star Trek Project, we were talking

975
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:52.019
in a very worthy way to each other, you know, and anyway, this is

976
00:45:52.019 --> 00:45:53.579
some of the detail television.

977
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.699
Yes, isn't it absolutely gripping to watch, yeah.

978
00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:59.099
Now, I imagine that would be absolutely tedious for the people

979
00:45:59.099 --> 00:45:59.579
listening.

980
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:03.059
Instead, we're somewhere up in the atmosphere, you know, having a

981
00:46:03.059 --> 00:46:03.360
great time.

982
00:46:04.500 --> 00:46:10.019
So, I, one thing that I don't think this sells is why he comes

983
00:46:10.019 --> 00:46:10.320
back.

984
00:46:11.340 --> 00:46:14.099
Um, What, Picard?

985
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:17.340
No, no, no, why Elnor comes back.

986
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:20.579
So Elanor says you abandoned me 14 years ago.

987
00:46:20.579 --> 00:46:26.519
And remember that he's a sad, lonely young man who lives among

988
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:31.739
these nuns, you know, these women, and he's never found a place.

989
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:33.239
That sounds incredible.

990
00:46:33.300 --> 00:46:35.519
They never stopped criticising him, though.

991
00:46:35.579 --> 00:46:36.840
Okay.

992
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:40.500
But like, couldn't he just say to him, look, Elena, look, I know

993
00:46:40.500 --> 00:46:41.159
and I'm really sorry.

994
00:46:41.219 --> 00:46:42.840
But I had a bit of bad news.

995
00:46:42.900 --> 00:46:46.079
I had to go and sort out some rather important things that were

996
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.840
occurring 14 years, though, and that's the point.

997
00:46:48.900 --> 00:46:54.300
That's what he learns here. and he learns it, he learns it kind of

998
00:46:54.300 --> 00:46:56.039
from this guy's reaction.

999
00:46:56.099 --> 00:47:02.219
So this guy, um, who has a space name, his name is.

1000
00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:06.960
Tangum Adri or something.

1001
00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:08.940
But Evan Park.

1002
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:11.880
He's a very, very striking looking man who gives an incredible

1003
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:12.480
performance.

1004
00:47:12.539 --> 00:47:16.199
He gives this amazing speech about being a senator.

1005
00:47:16.260 --> 00:47:17.340
Look how hot he looks.

1006
00:47:17.460 --> 00:47:20.340
And prosthetic actually helps.

1007
00:47:20.460 --> 00:47:23.699
Like he's really in so many hot man here.

1008
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.039
And, you know, normal looking man.

1009
00:47:26.099 --> 00:47:30.239
Um, But he gives a great speech.

1010
00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:32.460
I think he's really impressive.

1011
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:34.800
You just know, this was 90s true.

1012
00:47:34.860 --> 00:47:37.739
This would be stock colony set number 52, wouldn't they?

1013
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:38.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1014
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:40.860
There's no way we'd be outside for this scene.

1015
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:42.840
It's amazing isn't it?

1016
00:47:42.900 --> 00:47:43.800
Oh, there we go.

1017
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:44.880
Tim Andrev.

1018
00:47:45.179 --> 00:47:49.019
I mean, look, he's given a wonderful performance. give him a name

1019
00:47:49.019 --> 00:47:49.320
like that.

1020
00:47:49.380 --> 00:47:51.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1021
00:47:51.179 --> 00:47:51.719
Bless him.

1022
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:54.300
But he's really good.

1023
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.699
And this is where Picard learns.

1024
00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:00.480
Like Picard thinks he can take down the no Romulan sign.

1025
00:48:00.539 --> 00:48:01.260
How dare you?

1026
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.800
Why are you behaving like this, and he can just sit down and

1027
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:10.199
expect to be served, and it's only once this guy speaks to him

1028
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:16.679
that he realises that he's betrayed them, that he's let them

1029
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:17.219
down.

1030
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:21.300
And like the guy, what he says is really good.

1031
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.699
Like what the senator guy says is really good.

1032
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:29.099
And it's almost like, you know, He's on the back foot because his

1033
00:48:29.099 --> 00:48:32.940
people were emiserated and had suffered this terrible calamity and

1034
00:48:32.940 --> 00:48:36.420
it's kind of like we were pathetic and we were begging you for

1035
00:48:36.420 --> 00:48:39.599
help and stuff and we lost faith in ourselves.

1036
00:48:39.659 --> 00:48:42.239
You know, it wasn't just that you didn't help.

1037
00:48:42.300 --> 00:48:46.500
It was that we were at your mercy and you...

1038
00:48:46.500 --> 00:48:47.699
How far we've come.

1039
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:49.860
Do you remember the next generation series one?

1040
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:54.360
where the mere mention of the word Romulan brought fear to

1041
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:54.960
everybody's face.

1042
00:48:55.380 --> 00:48:59.099
It's it's good and I think making Picard.

1043
00:48:59.159 --> 00:48:59.880
That's the thing.

1044
00:48:59.940 --> 00:49:03.059
At the beginning of series one, he has to have quit Starfleet

1045
00:49:03.059 --> 00:49:03.300
right?

1046
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:06.360
Because we don't want to tell a story of him being an admiral at a

1047
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:06.719
desk.

1048
00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:10.440
And see, this, you gave up.

1049
00:49:10.500 --> 00:49:14.460
This is where he learns that, this is where he learns that he's

1050
00:49:14.460 --> 00:49:15.179
done the wrong thing.

1051
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:20.340
But so giving him, like he's given up, he's quit Starfleet because

1052
00:49:20.340 --> 00:49:21.840
Starfleet has done the wrong thing.

1053
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:25.619
Yeah, this guy is so good.

1054
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:27.300
He's really good.

1055
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:31.380
Well, he sort of learns it while surrounded by terrifying looking

1056
00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:33.539
men that look like they're about to kick the shit out of him.

1057
00:49:33.659 --> 00:49:38.400
I think the shot of the sign that says Romulans only was really

1058
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:39.420
potent as well.

1059
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:40.559
Yeah, yeah.

1060
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.739
I mean, this is why you get Patrick Stewart back, though, isn't

1061
00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:46.860
it?

1062
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:47.820
Yeah, yeah.

1063
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:48.900
Yeah.

1064
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:52.199
Get angry like this and...

1065
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:54.900
What's the use of the word promise?

1066
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:59.400
So we have, you know, like he promises he'll come back and

1067
00:49:59.400 --> 00:49:59.940
doesn't.

1068
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:01.619
He promises he'll help.

1069
00:50:01.739 --> 00:50:04.380
He says, I promise you that's not what happened.

1070
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:08.159
And the guy just says, you promise. you promise, you know.

1071
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:13.619
And we had Zani saying, you know, a promise is a prison.

1072
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:15.480
I love these two.

1073
00:50:15.539 --> 00:50:18.000
I love it where he starts fighting.

1074
00:50:18.059 --> 00:50:20.820
And then he just throws the sword to the ground and says, I'm not

1075
00:50:20.820 --> 00:50:21.119
doing this.

1076
00:50:21.179 --> 00:50:22.139
I'm not going to do it.

1077
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:29.519
But...

1078
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.679
He's Elanor.

1079
00:50:31.739 --> 00:50:33.659
That wee.

1080
00:50:33.659 --> 00:50:34.679
He did a thing.

1081
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:35.940
That, that is fun.

1082
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:37.920
I was about to say, when are they going to start having fun?

1083
00:50:37.980 --> 00:50:39.960
No one's having fun on this show.

1084
00:50:40.619 --> 00:50:43.860
And I know they're talking about proper things.

1085
00:50:43.980 --> 00:50:46.619
Jesus Christ to live.

1086
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:52.440
Of course, the other famous Romulan sincerity nun is Michael

1087
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:57.179
Burnham's mother, who joins the Kawat Milart in the future, 900

1088
00:50:57.179 --> 00:50:57.719
years in the future.

1089
00:50:57.840 --> 00:50:59.820
We'll get to her.

1090
00:50:59.820 --> 00:51:03.420
And there's an episode called Choose to Live.

1091
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:06.840
And so the Kuat Milada are introduced here, but they will come

1092
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:10.500
back to discovery. and they become a thing, you know.

1093
00:51:10.500 --> 00:51:14.460
Whenever I think of Michael Burnham's mother, I just see floods of

1094
00:51:14.460 --> 00:51:14.820
tears.

1095
00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:16.079
Oh my god.

1096
00:51:16.139 --> 00:51:16.920
Yeah.

1097
00:51:16.980 --> 00:51:18.539
We were very overwrought.

1098
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:20.099
Do you know what I mean though?

1099
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.440
Like, there isn't a lot of fun in any of this, is there?

1100
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:24.960
No, no.

1101
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:26.940
In this season as well.

1102
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.360
I think they get there in the last two But, you know, like

1103
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:33.300
Nepenthe was beautiful, but very serious.

1104
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:36.059
You know, the opening 2 are very serious.

1105
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:39.179
I can see why people are sort of watching us going, okay, this is

1106
00:51:39.179 --> 00:51:41.940
great Delhi, but like, why is Star Trek not fun anymore?

1107
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.480
And discovery is a bit serious too, at this point, although

1108
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:47.280
discovery does cilia, doesn't it?

1109
00:51:47.340 --> 00:51:49.559
They've really learned to relax, though, don't they?

1110
00:51:49.619 --> 00:51:51.000
Obviously, lower decks comes along.

1111
00:51:51.059 --> 00:51:52.139
Strange new wells.

1112
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.800
I think I think it's fun above everything else in Strangely

1113
00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:56.159
Wells.

1114
00:51:56.219 --> 00:51:59.760
Yeah, and that's why people took to it more than this and

1115
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:00.360
Discovery.

1116
00:52:03.420 --> 00:52:06.900
That sort of thing like, like your way into to, to characters

1117
00:52:06.900 --> 00:52:08.820
should be humour a lot of the time.

1118
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:09.780
Like, that's why.

1119
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:12.179
Well, I think Alison works really well.

1120
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:14.820
Well, that's why she was my favourite.

1121
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:15.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1122
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:16.320
Yeah.

1123
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:19.139
And then Elnor will eventually be there.

1124
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:20.159
Yeah.

1125
00:52:20.219 --> 00:52:21.119
Yeah.

1126
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:21.480
Yeah.

1127
00:52:21.539 --> 00:52:25.559
And then that's why I really love the scenes between Rios and that

1128
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:29.219
lovely lady has a romance with in series 2 because they're so fun

1129
00:52:29.219 --> 00:52:29.519
together.

1130
00:52:29.579 --> 00:52:31.260
That's really fun, isn't it?

1131
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:35.219
And 7 of 9 and Raffi, you know, going around in the car.

1132
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:36.420
That's really fun.

1133
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:37.980
They do learn to relax.

1134
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:39.960
Again, they have to sort of get there, you know?

1135
00:52:40.019 --> 00:52:41.280
Yeah, exactly.

1136
00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:41.880
Exactly.

1137
00:52:44.940 --> 00:52:51.179
And because I think because there's nothing bad in the production

1138
00:52:51.179 --> 00:52:56.400
or nothing bad in the performance, there's nothing silly to laugh

1139
00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:56.699
at.

1140
00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:01.440
Yeah. when it is all very serious and I won't say worthy again.

1141
00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:02.880
What's another nice word for word?

1142
00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:04.199
Yeah, no, seriously.

1143
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:04.739
But, you know.

1144
00:53:05.099 --> 00:53:10.800
I mean, Rafi, um, um, uh, Gerardi was used in that scene there

1145
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:16.800
where we learned that the reason that um, Elanor agreed uh, to, you

1146
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:23.219
know, become his, um, Cullen Kakai is how you say it in Romulan.

1147
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:25.920
I ask, I think he's Robertson's sister here.

1148
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:27.059
Yeah, their brother and sister.

1149
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:27.659
Why are you fucking?

1150
00:53:27.780 --> 00:53:28.500
No.

1151
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:30.719
I mean, it looks like they are right now.

1152
00:53:30.780 --> 00:53:38.219
No, but she keeps making fun of him for fucking the robot girl. you

1153
00:53:38.219 --> 00:53:40.260
know, like the robot girl.

1154
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:43.860
Um, and I love how she leaves.

1155
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:48.000
Like she leaves at the end and she kind of goes, uh, you've got a

1156
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.420
week to, could have break her and find out where she comes from or

1157
00:53:51.420 --> 00:53:54.719
it's back to our usual pain and violence, you know, like.

1158
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:57.900
But I remember the 1st time I watched this series. and I felt a

1159
00:53:57.900 --> 00:54:01.559
chemistry between these 2 and I knew they were proper sister and I

1160
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:06.420
was like, ooh, that's both hot and uncomfortable at the same time

1161
00:54:07.019 --> 00:54:07.619
no, no.

1162
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:09.539
I think it's supposed to be transgressive in a way.

1163
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:10.619
Do you know what I mean?

1164
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:14.159
They're sort of seedy English aristocrats with no proper

1165
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:16.380
boundaries that they're from Romulus.

1166
00:54:16.739 --> 00:54:20.579
I mean, if they got it on, I don't know if I'd objected too much.

1167
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:25.559
Now, I can't remember if we've seen Narissa, I think, maybe with

1168
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:27.960
Commodore O or something at this point.

1169
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:30.300
Like I can't remember where we've seen her before.

1170
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:33.840
It's Narissa, this very evil lady here, yeah?

1171
00:54:33.900 --> 00:54:34.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1172
00:54:34.860 --> 00:54:35.940
I love it.

1173
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.340
So it's Narek and Narissa.

1174
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:43.980
She might be more MVP of this episode because she comes in and is

1175
00:54:43.980 --> 00:54:45.179
so evil.

1176
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.340
Yeah, it's fabulous.

1177
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:49.559
She's having a great time.

1178
00:54:49.619 --> 00:54:51.420
Whereas, you know, he's tortured and all of this.

1179
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:53.340
He angst ridden, this character.

1180
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:54.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1181
00:54:54.539 --> 00:54:55.800
Yeah, look at this.

1182
00:54:55.860 --> 00:54:57.119
This is quite hot, you know.

1183
00:54:57.239 --> 00:54:59.699
She starts strangling him.

1184
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:01.320
I think she wants to fucking, you know.

1185
00:55:01.380 --> 00:55:05.880
No, but she's trying to, like, she's getting him to admit that

1186
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:12.059
Soji is the destroyer and so she has to be killed.

1187
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:15.000
None of this sort of having a relationship with her, none of this

1188
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:20.039
running down Borg cube corridors in your socks, having fun, you've

1189
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:24.059
got to be killing her or, you know, getting her to tell you where

1190
00:55:24.059 --> 00:55:24.719
she comes from.

1191
00:55:24.780 --> 00:55:26.280
Oh, sorry.

1192
00:55:26.340 --> 00:55:28.079
She just straggled him right.

1193
00:55:28.139 --> 00:55:30.659
The camera, Jonathan Franks knows exactly what he's doing.

1194
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:34.920
He's in the front of the screen panting and she's smiling right

1195
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:35.699
close to him.

1196
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.699
There is absolute.

1197
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:42.719
There is absolute incest violence kicking out.

1198
00:55:42.780 --> 00:55:47.519
And he says, oh, I've planted a seed, you know, which is that seed

1199
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:50.340
of doubt about whether she was on the Ellison or whatever.

1200
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:54.659
And she says, I'll give you and your seed another week.

1201
00:55:54.780 --> 00:55:56.639
It's a sort of thing.

1202
00:55:57.360 --> 00:55:58.019
Oh, hurray.

1203
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:00.780
Spaceship spaceship.

1204
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:02.219
Woo-hoo.

1205
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:04.619
Did you see the way the camera pulled back there then?

1206
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.559
You got them all, it was like a next generation shot, but really

1207
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:08.460
good on the bridge.

1208
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:09.659
It's great, isn't it?

1209
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:15.659
And I love these, like, you know, you've got the the drone shell

1210
00:56:15.659 --> 00:56:17.039
thing over the planet.

1211
00:56:17.099 --> 00:56:19.860
You've got the spaceships just going in all directions.

1212
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:23.579
You got these incredible holographic kind of displays.

1213
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:25.679
Like it looks so amazing.

1214
00:56:25.739 --> 00:56:29.039
Oh, oh, let's get let's get Emmett.

1215
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.840
I love how Emmett only speaks Spanish.

1216
00:56:33.900 --> 00:56:36.599
So each of the holograms has a different accent.

1217
00:56:36.659 --> 00:56:40.260
Look at his hair in disarray like that.

1218
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.719
He looks like a bloody tramp, but he's still hot.

1219
00:56:42.780 --> 00:56:45.300
No, he's probably tattered and stuff.

1220
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:48.840
Look how he's got heaps of these tattoos that really... got sort

1221
00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:50.940
of a Jason Momoa look about him, doesn't it?

1222
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:52.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1223
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:54.539
No, that hair is gorgeous.

1224
00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:55.920
Yeah, she's hard.

1225
00:56:55.980 --> 00:56:58.679
He could be in the Timothay advert because he's worth it.

1226
00:57:01.500 --> 00:57:03.960
Look at Elmore in the background.

1227
00:57:04.019 --> 00:57:04.800
Absolutely.

1228
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:07.019
He knows he's on Star Trek.

1229
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:10.079
He's sort of wobbling about the place. but still looking cool.

1230
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:14.460
Raffi's there grabbing hold of the console like Sulu.

1231
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:15.719
Oh, here we go.

1232
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:19.440
Finally they're having fun.

1233
00:57:19.500 --> 00:57:22.320
Look, that spaceship doesn't look great.

1234
00:57:22.380 --> 00:57:23.219
Oh great.

1235
00:57:23.340 --> 00:57:25.860
Look, did you see it sort of turning as it flows?

1236
00:57:26.460 --> 00:57:28.679
Yeah, ships can do that.

1237
00:57:28.739 --> 00:57:32.340
You wait till you see what the Enterprise deacon do in series 3

1238
00:57:32.340 --> 00:57:32.639
all right?

1239
00:57:33.659 --> 00:57:38.460
I never knew it could move as amazingly as that, but there we

1240
00:57:38.460 --> 00:57:38.699
are.

1241
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:41.460
Yeah, look at it. doesn't it look good?

1242
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:46.019
I mean, I think whoever was right in this episode was very, it was

1243
00:57:46.019 --> 00:57:48.840
a sound idea to put in this action sequence at the end.

1244
00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:52.440
Well, it's and it's introducing another 2nd character for the

1245
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:53.340
episode, isn't it?

1246
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:57.539
Seven, who needs a little bit less introduction, but undoubtedly

1247
00:57:57.539 --> 00:58:00.840
we'll start episode 5 with them standing around talking to her and

1248
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:02.159
finding out what she's been up to.

1249
00:58:02.219 --> 00:58:06.780
We literally start episode 5 of the drill going into HM's eye.

1250
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:07.619
Oh, no.

1251
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:12.659
Yes, okay, because it's her backstory. absolutely chilling.

1252
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:15.960
And all of this stuff where beam him in.

1253
00:58:16.019 --> 00:58:19.920
The pilot is here, you know, oh, look, look at this shield around

1254
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:20.820
the planet as well.

1255
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:25.380
When ships go incredible, they're doomed. yeah it looks great.

1256
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:27.719
It's knife.

1257
00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:31.559
I'm ready to fire.

1258
00:58:32.099 --> 00:58:34.440
Yeah, look at this.

1259
00:58:34.500 --> 00:58:35.940
And this is so funny.

1260
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:37.260
So good.

1261
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:40.500
Voyager literally colliding with the next generation.

1262
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:41.519
Yeah, yeah.

1263
00:58:41.699 --> 00:58:44.340
But she's so good in this.

1264
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:46.619
Did we know she was coming in this?

1265
00:58:46.739 --> 00:58:48.719
Was it all part of the publicity or was it a surprise?

1266
00:58:48.780 --> 00:58:50.280
I can't remember.

1267
00:58:50.340 --> 00:58:54.539
And of course, you know, like Evan is in the opening credits of

1268
00:58:54.539 --> 00:58:59.099
this episode, but not of previous episodes, and this show, like

1269
00:58:59.099 --> 00:59:02.460
discovery, doesn't have just 7 people who are in the opening

1270
00:59:02.460 --> 00:59:04.380
credits of every episode.

1271
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:08.340
They just put the people who are in it in the opening credits

1272
00:59:08.340 --> 00:59:08.940
important people.

1273
00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:12.659
And so I don't think that we knew that she was in it because I

1274
00:59:12.659 --> 00:59:17.880
think she gets a special guest star, Jerry Ryan, credit up front.

1275
00:59:17.940 --> 00:59:23.219
Um, Uh, but I don't know that we realise that she's going to be a

1276
00:59:23.219 --> 00:59:26.579
regular for the next, you know, 2.5 seasons.

1277
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:28.260
You know what this reminds me of?

1278
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:30.840
It reminds me of a common complaint I have about modern day

1279
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:34.619
serialised television, is that you come away from the episode

1280
00:59:34.619 --> 00:59:35.039
right?

1281
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:37.860
Because the last couple of minutes were amazing and there's a big

1282
00:59:37.860 --> 00:59:39.840
twist at the end, 7 of 9 has just turned up.

1283
00:59:39.900 --> 00:59:41.760
My God. you want to see the next one.

1284
00:59:41.820 --> 00:59:44.400
Yeah, but you're convinced that the whole episode was absolutely

1285
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:48.960
incredible because the lasting impression of it is the last moment

1286
00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:53.460
and many a Game of Thrones episode rested on that.

1287
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:56.940
It's a load of people standing around doing boring things for 40

1288
00:59:56.940 --> 01:00:00.300
minutes and then someone dies horribly at the end of the episode

1289
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:03.300
you're like, oh, my God, I can't wait till what, that was amazing

1290
01:00:03.300 --> 01:00:04.380
me because, you know.

1291
01:00:04.739 --> 01:00:08.639
It's an amazing magic trick, if I want it.

1292
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:11.219
It does seem to fall.

1293
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:12.960
It was a terrific end.

1294
01:00:13.019 --> 01:00:16.199
But it was a bit of a plot of an episode.

1295
01:00:16.260 --> 01:00:20.880
So it's just, it is the, it's the wanting to spend time in that

1296
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:21.420
world.

1297
01:00:21.420 --> 01:00:25.139
And particularly, you kind of feel when Star Trek, the Next

1298
01:00:25.139 --> 01:00:26.340
Generation is over.

1299
01:00:26.340 --> 01:00:33.360
And when Enterprise goes back to the mid 22nd century, and then

1300
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:37.199
Discovery comes along and it's set in the 23rd century, and, you

1301
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:41.099
know, the last that we've seen of the 24th century was Star Trek

1302
01:00:41.099 --> 01:00:44.519
Nemesis, you know, we never got to see what happened.

1303
01:00:44.579 --> 01:00:46.500
We never visited that time again.

1304
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:53.639
And so spending time there with some people that we know and just

1305
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:56.400
even seeing what the technology is like, seeing what the places

1306
01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:57.059
are like.

1307
01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.639
Like, I think all of that, there's a pleasure in that.

1308
01:00:59.699 --> 01:01:04.739
And so, you know, that was certainly more fast moving than any

1309
01:01:04.739 --> 01:01:08.519
given episode of Star Trek the next generation, even though there

1310
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:09.599
was a lot of standing around.

1311
01:01:09.659 --> 01:01:13.440
I think you're right that it's more low key, that the standing

1312
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:18.840
around is more low key, less theatrical, and more naturally stick

1313
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:23.219
and so it's a bit less compelling to people who, like us, grew up

1314
01:01:23.219 --> 01:01:24.360
on 90s track.

1315
01:01:24.420 --> 01:01:26.699
But I still enjoyed that.

1316
01:01:26.699 --> 01:01:30.659
And it did make me think I should go back and revisit series one

1317
01:01:30.659 --> 01:01:31.199
at some point.

1318
01:01:31.260 --> 01:01:34.380
I'll explain it with a polygraph then.

1319
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:36.599
I think sort of the 1st half of the episode where we're hanging

1320
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:40.199
out with our new regulars, sort of, you know, there was mild

1321
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:44.880
spikes on the polygraph, then our flatline somewhere in the middle

1322
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:45.719
of the episode.

1323
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:50.039
And, uh, yeah, sort of that was to about the last 5 minutes.

1324
01:01:50.099 --> 01:01:54.420
Then suddenly there was huge activity on the polygraph and then

1325
01:01:54.420 --> 01:01:57.960
suddenly I'm off the scale when 7 of 9 appeared at the end, you

1326
01:01:57.960 --> 01:01:58.139
know?

1327
01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:02.579
Yeah, like I said at the start of the episode, I don't want to

1328
01:02:02.579 --> 01:02:06.719
write this off because I think this reminds me of all of the what

1329
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:10.500
I thought were bad creative moves that I now think are sound

1330
01:02:10.500 --> 01:02:11.460
creative moves.

1331
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:17.460
But this is episode 4 of your 1st season.

1332
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:21.900
And, you know, it's sort of following the pattern of most 1st

1333
01:02:21.900 --> 01:02:25.800
seasons of all Star Trek shows in that it's taking its time to

1334
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:29.400
find its way and there are some bumps along the way.

1335
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:33.300
And it was okay, but there are much, much better episodes of

1336
01:02:33.300 --> 01:02:34.619
series one, not the card.

1337
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:39.599
And this actually gives me the I really want to explore them.

1338
01:02:39.659 --> 01:02:42.300
I can't wait till we do it because I think we'll have some

1339
01:02:42.300 --> 01:02:43.739
pleasant things to say.

1340
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:57.119
Alright, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to work

1341
01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:02.519
out where we're going next, and given that it's Christmas coming

1342
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:03.000
up.

1343
01:03:03.059 --> 01:03:10.320
That's traditionally a time for good cheer and eggnog and a Star

1344
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:11.519
Trek movie.

1345
01:03:11.579 --> 01:03:15.179
And so that's what we're going to be picking this week.

1346
01:03:15.300 --> 01:03:19.619
A potentially terrible Star Trek movie. not in our favour.

1347
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:22.079
On average, they're mostly terrible.

1348
01:03:22.139 --> 01:03:23.280
Actually, I wonder if that's true.

1349
01:03:23.340 --> 01:03:24.599
Anyway, it doesn't matter.

1350
01:03:24.659 --> 01:03:26.760
I am going to pick one now.

1351
01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:29.880
I'm going to press the randomiser and let's see where we're

1352
01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:30.119
going.

1353
01:03:30.659 --> 01:03:33.599
This is the most exciting pick of the year.

1354
01:03:33.659 --> 01:03:35.159
Enjoy this moment, all right?

1355
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.780
No, you've got a manic gleam in your eye.

1356
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:44.340
It's actually Star Trek 2009.

1357
01:03:45.539 --> 01:03:47.460
Is that the 1st one?

1358
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:48.179
Yeah.

1359
01:03:51.300 --> 01:03:54.119
It's kind of interesting.

1360
01:03:54.179 --> 01:03:57.119
That's an entirely new thing to discuss.

1361
01:03:57.179 --> 01:03:58.260
It is.

1362
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:00.539
It's a whole new version of Star Trek that we have.

1363
01:04:00.659 --> 01:04:04.980
Only 3 noises we've got to do that era of Star Trek.

1364
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:06.300
Hmm.

1365
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:07.260
Hmm.

1366
01:04:07.380 --> 01:04:11.039
I'm going to lead this to you because I know really nothing about

1367
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:11.880
that era.

1368
01:04:11.940 --> 01:04:13.739
So I'm going to be a bit in the dark.

1369
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:16.500
I mean, it is kind of interesting.

1370
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:21.780
It is kind of interesting, but it's not, it's not a film that I

1371
01:04:21.780 --> 01:04:28.500
have as much affection for as I do for the previous films.

1372
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:30.900
I think it's got a lot going for it.

1373
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:34.139
I reckon you should do, push it again, right?

1374
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:40.559
And we'll try and air towards one to 9 only because that's where

1375
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:41.519
our love is, right?

1376
01:04:41.579 --> 01:04:43.800
Yeah, yeah, for good and for bad.

1377
01:04:43.860 --> 01:04:46.260
Even though this would have been a really interesting choice.

1378
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:46.920
Yeah, yeah.

1379
01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:47.579
It'll come up.

1380
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:50.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 10 years or so?

1381
01:04:50.219 --> 01:04:50.880
Exactly.

1382
01:04:50.940 --> 01:04:54.119
All right, let's try it again.

1383
01:05:00.179 --> 01:05:01.980
Star Trek into Darkness.

1384
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:04.260
Oh, for God's sake.

1385
01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:06.119
Push it again.

1386
01:05:06.179 --> 01:05:07.139
Yeah that's terrible.

1387
01:05:07.980 --> 01:05:10.860
Oh, I think it's this.

1388
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:11.400
Go on.

1389
01:05:11.460 --> 01:05:12.659
Go on.

1390
01:05:12.659 --> 01:05:17.699
It's from 1996 Star Trek 1st contact.

1391
01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:19.860
Oh, yes.

1392
01:05:21.420 --> 01:05:24.840
The best Beverly Crusher scene of all time.

1393
01:05:24.900 --> 01:05:26.039
Oh, Beverly.

1394
01:05:26.099 --> 01:05:27.179
Poor Beverly.

1395
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:30.539
Well, we did do the lower deck, Shepherd.

1396
01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:32.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah. absolutely.

1397
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:37.139
Well, I mean, it's the one they got right, right?

1398
01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:38.280
The one they got right.

1399
01:05:38.340 --> 01:05:39.239
I think it is.

1400
01:05:39.300 --> 01:05:42.059
It is the one Star Trek, the Next Generation film that they got

1401
01:05:42.059 --> 01:05:42.300
right.

1402
01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:44.340
Alfie Woodard.

1403
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:45.000
I just remembered.

1404
01:05:45.059 --> 01:05:46.019
Amazing in it.

1405
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:47.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1406
01:05:47.219 --> 01:05:48.420
Yeah, I think could be good.

1407
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:50.280
All right, I think we do it for sure.

1408
01:05:50.340 --> 01:05:51.360
Boy, oh, boy.

1409
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:53.340
And no further.

1410
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:57.239
The line must be drawn here.

1411
01:05:57.300 --> 01:05:59.820
No more pushes of the randomiser.

1412
01:05:59.880 --> 01:06:10.079
That's right You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project

1413
01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:11.760
with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1414
01:06:11.820 --> 01:06:15.420
We're online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find

1415
01:06:15.420 --> 01:06:18.420
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1416
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:22.559
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed

1417
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:23.940
by Cameron Lamb.

1418
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:28.019
This episode was recorded on the 10th of December 2024 and

1419
01:06:28.019 --> 01:06:29.940
released on the 13th of December.

1420
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:33.840
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, 1st contact.

1421
01:06:51.900 --> 01:06:56.880
I think for once, I had a sound point to me, though, about how

1422
01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:01.619
competently made this is, and that can sometimes be a bit dull.

1423
01:07:01.860 --> 01:07:03.719
Yeah, that's right.

1424
01:07:03.780 --> 01:07:05.039
There's nothing to laugh at.

1425
01:07:05.099 --> 01:07:06.719
There's nothing ridiculous.

1426
01:07:06.780 --> 01:07:10.079
Nothing inadvertently ridiculous.

1427
01:07:10.139 --> 01:07:13.500
I feel like the next thing we should do is a really sort of

1428
01:07:13.500 --> 01:07:16.019
terrible episode of 90s track.

1429
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:19.019
Actually, we don't have a lot of success of finding those because

1430
01:07:19.019 --> 01:07:20.039
we tend to enjoy them.

1431
01:07:20.099 --> 01:07:21.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1432
01:07:22.019 --> 01:07:22.559
That's true.

1433
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:23.760
That is true.

1434
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:27.179
But 1st contact would be great, do they?

1435
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:28.800
Yeah, 1st contact would be great.

1436
01:07:28.860 --> 01:07:30.059
I think like...

1437
01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:35.880
Yeah, yeah, I think after that, maybe original track or

1438
01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:36.179
something.

1439
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:37.139
Oh, yeah.

1440
01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:38.820
But a really terrible one.

1441
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:44.280
I need, so they've done 8 or 9 episodes now of series 5 of Flow of

1442
01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:44.699
Decks.

1443
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:46.619
It like ends in a week or so.

1444
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:52.500
And I've only seen the 1st two. um so I need to properly do that.

1445
01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:58.139
But I'm not doing anything except editing podcasts.

1446
01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:02.639
I'm sort of doing a lot of reading for podcasts.

1447
01:08:02.699 --> 01:08:06.420
I'm doing a lot of listening because Microsoft comes in waves

1448
01:08:06.420 --> 01:08:07.079
we've finished big.

1449
01:08:07.139 --> 01:08:11.280
He sometimes, when he's got loads of 2 or 2 to do, he's like, oh

1450
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:12.360
yeah, we won't listen today.

1451
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:14.760
And then when he ain't, he's like, right, we've got to listen to

1452
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:18.060
loads of big fins over, we're doing dark, dark Empire for that.

1453
01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:21.180
And um...

1454
01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:24.960
Yeah, and and we're doing a lot of films at the moment as well.

1455
01:08:25.020 --> 01:08:26.039
That tin drummer.

1456
01:08:26.100 --> 01:08:26.939
Have you seen that?

1457
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:29.279
Very...

1458
01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:33.960
I mean, beautifully made in, I think it's the 70s.

1459
01:08:34.020 --> 01:08:37.800
Yeah, I remember it being a thing, even when I was a little boy

1460
01:08:37.800 --> 01:08:40.979
who decided that he'd had enough of the adults around him and he

1461
01:08:40.979 --> 01:08:44.220
wasn't going to grow up anymore and he's got his little tin drum

1462
01:08:44.220 --> 01:08:47.579
and he's got a voice where he screams really loud and breaks glass

1463
01:08:47.579 --> 01:08:47.880
right?

1464
01:08:47.939 --> 01:08:50.039
There's one great bit where he's in the church and he's had enough

1465
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:50.579
of the church.

1466
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:53.399
So he starts screaming his head off with all the winds and stuff

1467
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:54.000
matching.

1468
01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:56.460
Just to liven things up a bit.

1469
01:08:56.460 --> 01:09:00.659
And then, because it's in Germany and the Nazi movements gain

1470
01:09:00.659 --> 01:09:01.260
traction.

1471
01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:04.560
And so he's got a lot of, but it's just so weird.

1472
01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:09.479
I just didn't understand what point it was trying to make apart

1473
01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:10.199
from.

1474
01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:15.119
Here's the viewpoint of this quite scary little child.

1475
01:09:15.539 --> 01:09:19.439
As Nazism took hold and...

1476
01:09:19.500 --> 01:09:21.840
And you saw wicked last night?

1477
01:09:22.439 --> 01:09:24.899
Oh, I loved her out.

1478
01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:30.779
It's so good I was I was really and colour me. being an idiot

1479
01:09:30.779 --> 01:09:32.460
because I said to him.

1480
01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:34.439
Oh, fuck sake, 2.5 hours.

1481
01:09:34.500 --> 01:09:36.720
I said, the fucking play's only an hour and a half .

1482
01:09:36.779 --> 01:09:41.279
Yeah, and the thing was too, I was exhausted.

1483
01:09:41.340 --> 01:09:43.020
I had like 5 hours sleep.

1484
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:44.159
I'd had all day at work.

1485
01:09:44.220 --> 01:09:45.659
It was Friday night.

1486
01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:48.720
It was starting at 9 or something and I was going, what the fuck?

1487
01:09:48.779 --> 01:09:50.340
Why have I ever agreed to do this?

1488
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:53.939
And I was just entranced. was so good.

1489
01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:55.619
The last 10 minutes.

1490
01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:59.520
It's the 1st time in ages I've had like goosies.

1491
01:09:59.880 --> 01:10:02.699
The whole defying gravity sequence.

1492
01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:06.060
I just, and the woman next to me was in tears.

1493
01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:07.920
She was literally in tears.

1494
01:10:07.979 --> 01:10:09.479
It's so good.

1495
01:10:09.539 --> 01:10:13.199
I, and I thought, like, what's the name of the actress playing

1496
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:13.979
alphabet?

1497
01:10:14.100 --> 01:10:16.500
Just so, so great.

1498
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:19.260
Oh, um, ridiculous. incredible.

1499
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:23.039
But for me, the MVP we are was Ariana Grande.

1500
01:10:23.100 --> 01:10:27.659
Because I just, I just thought, like, she had a harder role to

1501
01:10:27.659 --> 01:10:31.979
play because she was such an obnoxious narcist.

1502
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:35.100
And I just loved every 2nd of her.

1503
01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:37.859
All of those little comedy quirks she was doing.

1504
01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:40.260
It's really brilliant, isn't it?

1505
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:41.699
Because just the way...

1506
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:44.819
I mean, I just think that, you know, it's it's the Doctor Who

1507
01:10:44.819 --> 01:10:45.479
thing, right?

1508
01:10:45.539 --> 01:10:49.739
that the villain isn't a bad guy, because the villain at least

1509
01:10:49.739 --> 01:10:51.840
thinks there's something wrong with the status quo.

1510
01:10:51.899 --> 01:10:55.619
Did you see Doctor Horrible sing-along blog with Neil Patrick

1511
01:10:55.619 --> 01:10:56.279
Arrons?

1512
01:10:56.340 --> 01:10:57.659
It's really good.

1513
01:10:57.720 --> 01:10:59.699
Nathan Fillion and Neil Patrick Harris.

1514
01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:02.520
And it's the thing, the villains, the villains are opposed to the

1515
01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:03.539
status quo.

1516
01:11:03.539 --> 01:11:08.340
And, you know, she's growing in like alphabet is in a situation

1517
01:11:08.340 --> 01:11:15.060
where Oz is being like kind of overtaken by creeping fascism and

1518
01:11:15.060 --> 01:11:16.739
she's a villain in that context.

1519
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:19.920
You know, like awful kids, that shez as well.

1520
01:11:19.979 --> 01:11:23.279
And that brilliant sequence in the middle.

1521
01:11:23.340 --> 01:11:26.640
I couldn't believe how well it was done where she's doing the

1522
01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:27.239
weird dance.

1523
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:32.939
And then Glenda decides to do the weird dance as well because

1524
01:11:32.939 --> 01:11:35.640
she's coming then Bowen Wang and those...

1525
01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:36.300
Everybody else.

1526
01:11:36.300 --> 01:11:38.460
Oh, this is in now, is it?

1527
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:42.840
Even though they were being patronising shits about it just

1528
01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:43.800
moments earlier.

1529
01:11:44.220 --> 01:11:47.520
Ah, no, so so good.

1530
01:11:47.579 --> 01:11:48.720
Yeah, so good.

1531
01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:52.020
I didn't even realise that was the fella from Time Heist. had no

1532
01:11:52.020 --> 01:11:52.560
idea.

1533
01:11:52.619 --> 01:11:59.220
Mark told me afterwards and I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. from

1534
01:11:59.220 --> 01:12:00.000
time ice.

1535
01:12:00.060 --> 01:12:01.800
Well, he's done...

1536
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:02.880
He's the main guy.

1537
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:06.000
He was channelling his inner Rupert Emory, didn't you think?

1538
01:12:06.060 --> 01:12:08.399
I think he literally was.

1539
01:12:09.659 --> 01:12:13.739
Well, he came in, that character, he came in apparently and just

1540
01:12:13.739 --> 01:12:17.460
said, all right, canonically this character is A English and B

1541
01:12:17.460 --> 01:12:19.260
bisexual and fuck it.

1542
01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:20.880
Oh, great.

1543
01:12:21.060 --> 01:12:21.899
Because he's very gay.

1544
01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:25.739
He has sex with Phoebe Waller Bridges, his character in Phoebe

1545
01:12:25.739 --> 01:12:28.739
Wallerbridge's character has sex in series 2 of Broadchurch.

1546
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:32.460
It's like he's in Broadchurch.

1547
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:35.579
That's where I 1st saw him and he's adorable in that.

1548
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:37.680
Like, I think he's a little reporter or something.

1549
01:12:37.739 --> 01:12:43.739
Um, and, and I think Phoebe Wallerbridge is like part of...

1550
01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:47.640
I just remember being good in time highs, but not that, not that

1551
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:48.119
memorable.

1552
01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:52.020
It was just a...

1553
01:12:52.020 --> 01:12:54.840
And he's got a little puppy fat in timeized, and now he's like

1554
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:58.319
shredded as fuck because he appeared shirtless in Bridgerton for a

1555
01:12:58.319 --> 01:12:59.520
whole season and stuff.

1556
01:12:59.579 --> 01:13:03.239
So he's ridiculously ripped and sort of terribly hot and stuff.

1557
01:13:03.779 --> 01:13:09.420
They just gave every creative choice in that movie. perfectly.

1558
01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:13.560
Like, I just was like, this is, I can't find a flaw in this.

1559
01:13:13.619 --> 01:13:15.000
It's the perfect length.

1560
01:13:15.060 --> 01:13:17.279
The perfect actor.

1561
01:13:17.340 --> 01:13:18.479
It's wonderful.

1562
01:13:19.260 --> 01:13:24.720
So, Calvin and I went down to Melbourne to see it because I I

1563
01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:25.979
think we may have seen it twice.

1564
01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:27.659
It didn't come to Sydney originally.

1565
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:30.479
Sydney's theatres aren't as good as Melbourne's, and so sometimes

1566
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:33.840
we don't get things, and so every so often we'd fly down to

1567
01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:34.319
Melbourne.

1568
01:13:34.380 --> 01:13:36.539
It's like a less than an hour flight.

1569
01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:41.159
And Melbourne's nice, like it's some cooler than Sydney.

1570
01:13:41.220 --> 01:13:44.579
It's a little bit more, like everyone's better dressed.

1571
01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:45.899
It's just kind of nice.

1572
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:47.460
It's where Cameron.

1573
01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:48.239
I would never go there then.

1574
01:13:48.300 --> 01:13:50.399
Oh, terribly.

1575
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:53.220
Yeah, I dress terribly too.

1576
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:53.699
That's fine.

1577
01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:55.079
So they look at you.

1578
01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:56.760
You're not from around here, are you?

1579
01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:00.180
It's really nice.

1580
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:02.520
And so we went down there and went and saw it.

1581
01:14:02.579 --> 01:14:04.619
And I have no memory of it.

1582
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:06.779
It made no impression at all the musical.

1583
01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:08.699
I just didn't...

1584
01:14:08.699 --> 01:14:10.199
Yeah, I saw her in London.

1585
01:14:10.260 --> 01:14:11.460
I really loved it.

1586
01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:13.979
And then sort of, I, there's 3 songs.

1587
01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:15.420
I love.

1588
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:17.640
So I added them to a music playlist.

1589
01:14:17.699 --> 01:14:21.420
So they come around all the time and that's, what is this feeling

1590
01:14:21.420 --> 01:14:23.579
popular and defying gravity?

1591
01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:25.680
So I know those songs inside out and back to front.

1592
01:14:25.739 --> 01:14:26.880
Yeah, because they always turn up.

1593
01:14:26.939 --> 01:14:29.640
And I was just like, okay, I said to them on the way.

1594
01:14:29.699 --> 01:14:33.659
I said, if they ruin those 3 songs.

1595
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:36.000
Oh, and they just were great.

1596
01:14:36.060 --> 01:14:38.819
And did you hear about Ariana Grande?

1597
01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:42.899
They said to her, we want to do a modern punky version of

1598
01:14:42.899 --> 01:14:43.500
popular?

1599
01:14:43.500 --> 01:14:45.840
And she said, no.

1600
01:14:45.899 --> 01:14:48.119
She goes, don't you dare?

1601
01:14:48.180 --> 01:14:52.439
I will not do this movie if you do that because I've wanted to

1602
01:14:52.439 --> 01:14:57.359
play Glinda my entire life and it's those songs that I love and

1603
01:14:57.359 --> 01:15:00.180
it's those songs that everybody loves and they were going to do

1604
01:15:00.180 --> 01:15:03.840
this sort of like really hip version of popular and she just said

1605
01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:04.380
no.

1606
01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:09.000
Well, in fact, because remember the, you know, the original actor

1607
01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:12.180
who plays Glinda...

1608
01:15:13.319 --> 01:15:13.800
Yeah, yeah.

1609
01:15:13.859 --> 01:15:15.119
No, no, no.

1610
01:15:15.180 --> 01:15:18.539
No, the original one who played Glinda in the Wizard of Oz. like

1611
01:15:18.539 --> 01:15:20.520
in the movie, the Wizard of Oz.

1612
01:15:20.579 --> 01:15:25.199
Um, you know, has that sort of um, vibrato, you know, like

1613
01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:31.260
horrible uh, soprano vibrato that is so weird sounding and she

1614
01:15:31.260 --> 01:15:36.960
does it. occasionally does it and certainly kind of, um, like, uh

1615
01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:39.359
you know, refers to it.

1616
01:15:39.420 --> 01:15:41.939
I think it's so great because that's the other thing too, isn't

1617
01:15:41.939 --> 01:15:42.119
it?

1618
01:15:42.180 --> 01:15:46.380
She is playing just the ridiculously privileged white woman.

1619
01:15:46.500 --> 01:15:47.279
Oh, well.

1620
01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:51.359
Like, like, it's so, it's so terrific.

1621
01:15:51.420 --> 01:15:54.479
Like, and the race thing works incredibly well as well.

1622
01:15:54.539 --> 01:15:58.260
Having alphabet played by just a black woman.

1623
01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:00.060
Like it just works so well.

1624
01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:05.880
Oh, God, I knew I was going to love her, but she comes down in her

1625
01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:06.779
bubble at the beginning.

1626
01:16:07.859 --> 01:16:11.819
And then she's like, yeah, well, I've got all this work to do and

1627
01:16:11.819 --> 01:16:14.880
she makes the bubble walk in and they're like, hey, didn't you

1628
01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:16.079
weren't you friends with her once?

1629
01:16:16.140 --> 01:16:18.420
She's like, sorry I can't hear you through the bubble.

1630
01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:19.020
Hang on.

1631
01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:20.760
I'll just pop it again.

1632
01:16:20.819 --> 01:16:23.100
I was like, oh, yeah, this is I've got it.

1633
01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:24.300
I've got it right.

1634
01:16:25.979 --> 01:16:28.680
That's great too, isn't it?

1635
01:16:28.739 --> 01:16:31.560
That musical that starts off with nobody mourns the wicked.

1636
01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:36.840
And, you know, like, it's ding dong the witch is dead. like the

1637
01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:41.699
most memorable song from the original film, and they kind of go, no

1638
01:16:41.699 --> 01:16:45.420
we're doing this differently, but with the same sentiment.

1639
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:47.039
Please in the 2nd one, though.

1640
01:16:47.100 --> 01:16:49.020
Can they just put it in that?

1641
01:16:49.079 --> 01:16:50.159
I love from Wizard of Oz.

1642
01:16:50.220 --> 01:16:51.899
You know, when she's peddling on the bike?

1643
01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:59.579
The evil da da da da da da I think there's gonna be more...

1644
01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:01.920
I think there's going to be more Wizard of Oz in the 2nd film.

1645
01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:06.119
Calvin bought me the book as well, and I never ended up reading it

1646
01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:09.420
and now I kind of want to, because all of that talking animal

1647
01:17:09.420 --> 01:17:13.380
stuff is obviously not in the musical because how do you do that

1648
01:17:13.380 --> 01:17:13.920
on stage?

1649
01:17:13.979 --> 01:17:17.579
Mark's got like a big Finnish version that they did, the

1650
01:17:17.579 --> 01:17:18.239
audiobook.

1651
01:17:18.300 --> 01:17:22.260
Um, and it's good cast as well of Wizard of Oz.

1652
01:17:22.260 --> 01:17:24.300
Um, Yeah, I don't know why.

1653
01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:26.819
They did some random, very random things early on.

1654
01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:29.220
But yeah, he said we'll watch that.

1655
01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:30.600
Listen to that even.

1656
01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:34.619
Well, I've read the book, The Wizard of Ours, a few times, and it

1657
01:17:34.619 --> 01:17:35.340
is super weird.

1658
01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:38.699
Like, it's fucking weird that with L. Frank Bourne, was it...

1659
01:17:38.699 --> 01:17:41.579
Absolute crackpot.

1660
01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:43.859
Um, yeah.

1661
01:17:44.460 --> 01:17:49.800
Um, yes, very most crap. not crazy.

1662
01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:55.079
Yeah, no, but this was sort of crazy in a particular American turn

1663
01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:56.520
of the century kind of way.

1664
01:17:56.579 --> 01:18:02.340
Um, all about health and special underclothes and things like just

1665
01:18:02.340 --> 01:18:03.659
a fucking weirdo.