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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back aboard Deep Space 9 this week, and it is series 5

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I think.

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Ferengi love songs, and this is a Ferengi episode, which means

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that it is widely reviled, I think, by the fan community.

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So how did you find it?

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You know, sometimes, Nathan.

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I find your newfound confidence very annoying.

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I really expected to hate this because I went and found my review

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for this episode and I gave it a measly 3 out of 10 declaring it

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you know, some kind of offence to the human race, sort of going

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with the flow of what fandom thought at the time.

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I'm very happy to report.

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I really enjoyed it.

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Like, I think there are problems, but if I'm gauging a Star Trek

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episode on, did I watch it with a smile on my face, then this was

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a success.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, I would have to say that I really quite enjoyed it as

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well.

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I think one of the things that the Ferengi episodes do is they

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make fun of the Klingon episodes.

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And so...

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Well, like, um, so, so Quark has lost his license, okay, his

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financial license, and that's just like his discommendation, wharfs

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his commendation.

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Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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And so all of this stuff is about, you know, Ferengi values in the

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Ferengi financial empire, they refer to at one point in the

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Ferengi economy.

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And so you go to a planet full of people in rubber, behaving in

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their sort of stereotypical kind of alien way, only this is the

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same stuff played for jokes.

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And I think that that's why, you know, we very early on teamed up

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the Faranki with the with the Klingons in House of Quad.

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With spectacular results.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because they are the same kind of thing.

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They are Star Trek aliens that behave in certain stereotypical

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ways and that reflect certain parts of human culture, but they

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broadly have, you know, the leaders and the crises and the, you

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know, our leaders being honest with us and how's our empire going

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and all of those concerns are the same.

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So it's in body parts, isn't it, towards the end of series 4 that

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Quark receives his discommendation from the Ferengi Empire?

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Run comes along front. slaps a bit of rubber on the bar and says

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no, Ferengi can do business with that man.

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Right?

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Right.

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Right.

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And so all of that, I think, is actually kind of fun.

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I guess maybe the biggest problem with it is the, there's a lot of

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latex.

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Like, but but even great episodes of Deep Say sign have a lot of

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latex in them.

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So it is super hard to object to that, but God, there's a lot of

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latex.

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Getting all this latex from.

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Whoever the company was supplying Paramount in the 90s, man.

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Their stocks must have been high, don't you reckon?

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Well, I just reckon Michael Westmore had a sort of grove of trees

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in his backyard.

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You know those flesh tanks in Doctor Who?

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I figure it's like that.

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They've got a tube and it just sort of comes sucking out and they

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put it straight in the moulds.

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Yeah, yeah.

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One of the things I really like about watching DS9 now as opposed

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to watching it at the time is that now you can see various parts

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of the character arcs.

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Yeah. an extra layer to this.

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I didn't appreciate it at the time, because I was just watching it

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as another episode of Star Trek, is you can see absolutely Quark

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getting his license back here, you know, he's depressed.

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He can't do any business at all.

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He goes home to his mother.

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And so in Quark sort of journey.

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This isn't an important step, but also in terms of the Ferengan

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arc, and I say that very loosely, because it's a very loose arc, of

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finding out that Gran Egg is in a relationship with Mookie

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glorious. and unexpectedly the power behind the throne as well. the

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person that's keeping the financial service of Frankinart afloat

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because he's losing his marbles a bit.

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I mean, look at him.

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Yeah, and that then leads to profit and lace where rights for

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women start coming in, which leads to the last season where Rom

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takes over as an Agus and a whole new Ferenginar is born.

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So this is an important step on that path.

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And a subplot, which feels very throwaway, but in a very amiable

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way, in a way that you and I have discussed subplots on DS9 before

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of Rom and Lisa, who just recently have gotten together in Dr

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Pashir, I presume, in a wonderful subplot there, who would then go

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on to get married in call to arms, and this is just a little just

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pika, the difficulties before that, because Rom is a Ferengi, and

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there are certain expectations on women, and Lita is in no way

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going to fulfil those expectations.

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And so that is an important step in their relationship as well.

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So whilst this is a throwaway bit of fluff, There's stuff

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happening here that's important.

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And and both of those plots work together because both of them are

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men, Ferengi men, having to kind of tone down all their bullshit

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about women because it's getting in the way of their relationship

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or in in Quark's case, you know, the profitability of the entire

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Ferengi economy, because that's a throwaway, isn't it?

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The women are naked.

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Like there's some throwaway line, I think, in Star Trek, the Next

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Generation. that they decide to just run with, and, you know, they

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make it a regular joke.

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Someone, I think Zek complains when he's annoyed at Ishka

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complains that she's a woman who can't even keep her clothes off.

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Um, you know, so there's all those sort of throwaway lines about

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that, but they do make it a thing.

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Is that not akin to sort of like a comment on religions where

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women are forced to cover up, like cover up their faces?

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I figured that's what they were doing there.

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Maybe, but I think I think it is, you know, that women can't be in

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public spaces and that's why they're naked and women can't

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participate in the economy and stuff like that.

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But, like, I'm always suspicious of, you know, like, I always

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think it's not necessarily a great idea to go and sort of pick on

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sort of minority religions and stuff because, you know

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Christianity has its fair share of that sort of behaviour as

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well.

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And certainly our own history, you know, in recent decades has

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too.

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But that's a fun through line, I think.

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I do like the conclusion that they reach that women are very

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powerful.

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They're very smart.

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And, you know, there's a revolution brewing. and eventually comes

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to fruition and Ferengenard is a much better place as a result.

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I think that's great.

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Yeah, that is pretty good.

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The 2 biggest problems I think I've got with this is one is, I

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think, the direction is a bit flat.

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There's a lot of static camera work in this episode in...

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It's a natural, isn't it?

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It is, and he's good.

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So I'm wondering if he just had a bit of an off date because he's

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done the quickening already. you know, and he'd go on to do waltz

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next year, which is the do cuts.

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Cisco episode, brilliantly directed, like nightmari-ish imagery in

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that one.

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So I'm wondering, you know, yeah, if, you know, you thought, oh

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well, you know, almond's good enough.

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I'll just pull up the camera and go and have a cup of tea, you

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know.

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The other thing is that the plotting is very basic.

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It's very, he goes home.

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The nagus is in the closet.

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We'll get there.

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That's very funny.

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Brunt's in the closet.

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Brunt wants to take down the Nagus, Quark then does that, splits

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up the Nagus and Moogie, realises his mistake very quickly, you

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know, as the entire empire is falling within about 5 minutes.

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And then goes back on his ways and then gets them back together at

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the end.

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You know, it's so simple.

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What works is, I actually think the lions are very funny.

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I think there are some very funny lines.

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They've crafted a good sort of language for the Frankie by this

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and they know what they're doing because we'll quote some.

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But it's mostly the performances.

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You've got almond, you've got Wallace Sean.

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Fucking Wallace Sean.

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I know.

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Delivering this.

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Bullshit.

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I mean, and just superbly.

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Yeah, it's such a great comic turn.

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Is it Cecily Adams at this point playing Moogie?

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It's the 2nd movie.

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Yeah.

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So Andrea Martin plays movie in the 1st episode that she's in

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which is called Family Business, and she doesn't want to come back

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according to Armand Schumerman, because of the prosthetics.

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And so she's only in one episode.

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Cecily Adams is the daughter of Don Adams from Get Smart.

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Ah.

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Yeah, I didn't know that, but that's, that's, she throws herself

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into the role of movie.

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She really does.

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With some applause, and she's back timing again after this, and so

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she clearly doesn't mind so much latex slaps on her.

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No, and they do get her back to appear in the holodeck in the

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final episode in what we leave behind out of latex.

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She does appear on screen.

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So there's a thing on memory, Alfar, where people express

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disappointment because Renee just plays this like a cartoon and

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they thought it was more serious than that.

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And you kind of think the moment that you have Zek in Quark's

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closet.

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It's a fucking cartoon and that's how it's got to be directed.

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So, um, you know, he's...

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Yeah.

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Well, I don't know.

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I love cartoons.

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I love sitcoms.

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Those are massively popular entertainment.

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So if Star Trek can do that a couple of times a year, just cut

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loose and do a cartoon.

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Why not?

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Oh, sorry.

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We're supposed to be better than this.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Yeah, it's all...

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Exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We can't waste a moment on it.

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Look, I think there are better sitcom episodes on deep space now

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nine.

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I think, for instance, take me out to the holosuite is a classic

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sitcom episode. which works incredibly well.

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And I do think that later iterations of Star Trek are better at

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funny lines, but there are some properly funny lines here and some

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really good moments.

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So it is pretty fun, I think.

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I mean, go back a season to Little Green Men and go forward a

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season to the Magnificent Ferengi.

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Those 2 are scripts that where it's just one banger of a line

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after another.

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This is not that.

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But there are good lines in this.

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I had a good time with it.

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I did too.

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I surprised myself.

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I really expected to be very mean about this.

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That was the intention, was it?

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We rolled for like 5 minutes at the end of last episode

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desperately hoping for a crappy episode.

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You know, I listened back, right, and I thought, oh, God, even I

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think this is a bit indulgent now.

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You're their humour in me going, this is outrageous.

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This is crazy.

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Well, shall we watch this?

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I think we should.

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All right, I'll count us in then.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Like a game of laser tag or something going on inside court?

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No.

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So they're shooting voles in quarks.

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And that's kind of like the opening sort of idea.

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I mean, there's a funny line here, isn't there?

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The who's winning the war thing?

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So this, it looks like it's laser tag, and then what's been going

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on, and then we discover it's just Chief O'Brien shooting volves.

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It's not set up, though, you know, because...

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I don't even remember the episode where court comes running in

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into ops and froze evolved out as a puppet on sort of thing and

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goes, it ran right across a double table.

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But I love this thing, you know, he must have missed a couple.

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Oh yes, a married couple because now they're all breeding, which I

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think is very long, not very long.

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And then horny as hell, those 2 volves.

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So the one thing that I really liked in this scene is the way that

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Jazia strokes his shoulder in...

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They're very tactile on Deep Space 9.

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Yeah, it's great.

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But it's very Jadzia too, you know, because she's not put off by

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Quark at all.

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You know, she's put off by Klingons.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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She gets to go around his quarters at night and gamble and drink

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and have the best time, you know?

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all need a best friend like that.

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If you was around the corner, that's what we'd be up to.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I love this too.

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Like his reaction, you know, I'm giving you some news.

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You're going to be very, very happy.

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Rom.

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Lita and I are getting married and it's just like, why, you know

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what's she doing?

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Don't he say I want to kill?

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I wanna kill myself. kill myself.

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I wish I was dead.

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And everyone goes, he's been a bit depressed lately.

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It is nice though.

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I am so pleased that they follow up on him not being able to do

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business you know, Like, I think this might be only like the 2nd

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mention since body parts.

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But still consequences.

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But it's Wolf's Discommendation, isn't it, from Star Trek the Next

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Generation, and he'll undergo another one, obviously, in Deep

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Space 9 because that seems to be the thing we do to Wharf.

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But it was a thing that continued, remember, that Klingons refused

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to speak to him and staff for a season or so.

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Yeah.

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It's um, oh, can I just say about Chase Masterson, right?

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Because I just, I know Jammer absolutely loaves Robin Lisa, but I

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adore them and think they're fabulous sitcom characters.

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But Chase Masterson, right?

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I was just listening to her yesterday in the latest Doctor Who, big

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finish, once in future, Coda, written by Tim Foley, and she was

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wonderful in it.

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So it's very strange to do a Doctor Who audio one day and then a

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Star Trek episode the next and it's the same actress.

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It the week of Chase Masterson. that's right Here we are back on

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Farangana, where it's raining, which is a detail that I absolutely

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love.

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I'm not going to, I'm going to be honest with you now, yeah.

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I actually buy this because there were several times in my life

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where I was down on my luck.

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And I went back to my mum's house in Crawley just for a day and I

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would just say, mom, she'd go, oh, for God's sakes.

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She's usually point at my groin and go, has I got you in trouble

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again?

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You know?

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I think he's actually quite nice.

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And I do think that they're playing it straight and that is

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actually quite sweet, I think.

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Not for long, though.

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No, and it's funny, actually, the look on Ishka's face is not sort

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of warm and loving at all.

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She's anticipating something.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Oh, fucker it.

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The Nagus is in the next room naked.

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Yes, exactly.

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Get in the closet quick. we'll find out.

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That's just the whole thing.

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The closet's coming in a second.

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The whole thing about that.

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It's just pure farce, isn't it?

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It's pure French fast.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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In fact, it doesn't quite make sense why, I guess, I guess she

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doesn't know Quark's coming, does she?

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It's a surprise.

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She actually says you didn't say you were coming.

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And so they go and hide in Quark's closet.

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And so she, we don't see a scene of her trying to persuade him not

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to go into his bedroom.

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But he does anyway.

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But like and that is terribly cute.

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She plays this next scene, all very like tentatively like, uh, you

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know, like, so you sort of know something's up, but you don't

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quite know what.

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And I don't think even in our wildest dreams, we assume that Grand

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Naked Zec, you know, was in the cupboard with the marauder action

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figures.

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So is so this is an ongoing relationship, isn't it?

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Now?

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Ishka and...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Because in the magnificent Frankie.

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Ishka's been kidnapped by the Dominion.

349
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Oh, yes.

350
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Say, you go and get your mother back, all right?

351
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I don't ever come back to Ferengenar again.

352
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That's right That's right So here's the B plot now.

353
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We've we've launched the A plot.

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It's got one of those.

355
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She's got to be drawing earrings on his massive ears.

356
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Do you know what?

357
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She just said it there.

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You are so sweet, Rom, right?

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And it is so nice to have just one character that is fucking

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adorable from day one to the end, you know?

361
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He's gorgeous from.

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Yeah.

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And he tries so hard to be a, you know, a good Ferengi in this

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episode, a terrible old sexist, you know, keeping hold of his

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money.

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But unfortunately, that's not wrong.

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Yeah, that's it.

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But it's all of this stuff where they're kind of, they sort of

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emasculate him a little bit.

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Do you know what I mean?

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You're the least Ferengi like Ferengi I know.

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And it's kind of like, why do you think he's going to react well

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to that?

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You know?

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And so he, he feels like he should do the right thing.

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You know, he...

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It says something as well, though, that we've learned about

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Trinadora, who is Rom's ex-wife.

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We've learned that she came into his life.

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She was a very attractive Ferengi.

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She took all of his money.

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She left him with Nog and went off with another man, right?

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So he's been burned in love before.

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And there's a wonderful scene in series 3 where Rom furiously

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shoves Cork against the wall and says, you know what?

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I've been mistreated my whole life.

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The only thing that's important in my life is my son.

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If you ever heard it, it's one...

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And so, they really are, they are taking care with these

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subsidiary characters.

391
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, this is quite good too, isn't it?

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This relationship too.

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Like, it's kind of like why on earth are you back here because you

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never stop criticising me.

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I love you, Cole, but when you say living together.

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What do you mean by that?

399
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A day?

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A week?

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That's what my mum would say to me.

402
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You're just here for the day, right?

403
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

404
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Just make me that fish pie.

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Give me a fiver.

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I'll be fine.

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Oh, your removal, that unnecessary clothing, won't you?

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Don't push.

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Don't you push your luck walk?

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So great.

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Oh no, we go.

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I know what's coming this time.

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I'd forgotten he was in the closet, so Tony took me past Brian.

414
00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:04.079
Oh, she does.

415
00:20:04.140 --> 00:20:06.960
Look, she does try and distract him from going into his bedroom

416
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with tube grubs.

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Pre-chew your food, Nathan, for you.

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Yeah, that's, and then he actually, he goes, oh, I'm tempted.

419
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You know, like, he goes, I don't like your tube grubs, but when

420
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she says I'm going to chew them, it's just like, oh, maybe later

421
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miserable room he's got, though.

422
00:20:22.980 --> 00:20:24.599
Well, it's all been cleared out.

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00:20:24.660 --> 00:20:27.480
But it is very kind of nice trick, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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And the Nagers look so shocked that he's been handed the bag as

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well.

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It's so funny, and then he kind of stops and double takes and

428
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realises the Nagas, it's so great that they look really sheepish.

429
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It's hilarious.

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You've been by the FCA.

431
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You must leave freaking out once.

432
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He's like, oh, shit, I've got to go.

433
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And suddenly realises, hang on a minute.

434
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What the hell is he doing in my closet?

435
00:20:54.900 --> 00:20:59.880
There we go No, but he still doesn't, he still takes a while to

436
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twig, doesn't he?

437
00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:05.519
Like, he doesn't actually realise initially why, you know, the

438
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obvious reason.

439
00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:09.779
Zeki might as well come out.

440
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Zeki?

441
00:21:11.460 --> 00:21:17.220
It's basically an episode of The Simpsons, isn't it?

442
00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:19.319
Yeah, well, silly.

443
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It is like a sitcom, like a, you know, um, I love tiny Ron coming

444
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through those low doors without...

445
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I think he's so paramount, you know, he had terrible pains in his

446
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back.

447
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There's another silly one where he goes out through the door and

448
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tries not to use his hands and stuff and he just looks very

449
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silly.

450
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I think it's quite hard to, like, have presents when you're mute.

451
00:21:42.660 --> 00:21:44.460
But he's really great, isn't he?

452
00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:47.339
Yeah, yeah, because he does a lot of facial acting.

453
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He really loves Zec and he's sort of super kind of, there's a lot

454
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of eye rolling and a lot of kind of sympathy for him and stuff.

455
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Bear in mind, they have about 8 episodes together.

456
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I like to think that Wallace Short and Tiny Ron would, they come

457
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together each time and go, well, here we are again, you know?

458
00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:06.599
So he's a footballer or something, isn't he?

459
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He's some...

460
00:22:07.980 --> 00:22:08.279
Wow.

461
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Yeah, something like that.

462
00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:13.799
So also this like just gross old people being in love.

463
00:22:13.859 --> 00:22:15.480
Like, they should be playing more of that.

464
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We get a bit of horror.

465
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It's close old people in loads of ugly latex.

466
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It's really revolting.

467
00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:28.200
But look, you can see the cogs going around in quarks head already

468
00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:28.619
can't you?

469
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Yeah, yeah.

470
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I can use this.

471
00:22:30.900 --> 00:22:35.400
Exactly, because initially there was kind of horror as we went to

472
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the commercial break there.

473
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It's kind of like, ooh, my mother and Zec.

474
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How gross.

475
00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:45.359
But now, of course, he sees it as a path to get back, his Ferengi

476
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license thing.

477
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Now he goes, ah, my mother and Zec.

478
00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:49.859
Okay.

479
00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:51.299
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

480
00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:54.960
So he's sort of, uh, he's up for it.

481
00:22:55.019 --> 00:22:58.259
Oh, I love this. you know, they were playing Tongo, you know, the

482
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the high leagues Tongo, but she was in the the female leagues that

483
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happens in sort of the back room.

484
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In the sub basement.

485
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She says.

486
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And I heard that the Grand Niggas was in terrible trouble, so I

487
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sent it with a few tips up and then they started writing letters.

488
00:23:14.700 --> 00:23:15.960
I mean, it's absurd, isn't it?

489
00:23:16.380 --> 00:23:19.259
So is family business.

490
00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:23.039
So this is her 2nd episode and family business introduces her.

491
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Is that about the conflict about how she started wearing clothes?

492
00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:32.220
Yes, because she's so the FCA found out she's owning money.

493
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So he's sent there.

494
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Either you do it or your whole family will never do business

495
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again.

496
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So he goes there too.

497
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And then it becomes a massive thing about Quork Rom and Ishka and

498
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about how their father was a terrible businessman.

499
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But because he was a Ferengi, he was the head of the house.

500
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So he kept making these terrible choices and she just had to put

501
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it up with it.

502
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And now he's gone that she can, you know, give her life.

503
00:23:58.079 --> 00:23:58.859
I can make money.

504
00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:00.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

505
00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:00.900
Yeah.

506
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:05.579
Yeah, because there's talk about how she had to give up all of all

507
00:24:05.579 --> 00:24:06.420
of her profits.

508
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:07.799
So that's a reference to that.

509
00:24:07.859 --> 00:24:09.660
Look at the twist.

510
00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:11.339
I mean, for God's sake, look at them.

511
00:24:11.700 --> 00:24:14.279
Why do you think I'm looking at you right now?

512
00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:20.220
The twist at the end of family business is, you know, is she signs

513
00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:22.200
the thing that gives away all of her money.

514
00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:26.339
And then court goes out of the room with Brunt and Rome goes, you

515
00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:29.819
know, be very angry when he finds out you've only given them a 3rd

516
00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:31.079
of your fortune.

517
00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:34.920
And she goes, she goes, I've got my money tied up in so many

518
00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:37.500
secret places, even I don't know where it is anymore.

519
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:39.180
Yeah, brilliant.

520
00:24:39.180 --> 00:24:42.359
She's got a financial empire going on-ish.

521
00:24:42.420 --> 00:24:42.960
Yeah, yeah.

522
00:24:43.019 --> 00:24:46.559
By this point, of course, she's basically running the Ferengi

523
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:48.299
financial empire as well.

524
00:24:48.420 --> 00:24:51.779
Yeah, that that where he goes through the thing with his hands

525
00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:52.799
behind his back.

526
00:24:54.660 --> 00:24:57.420
Like, she should know, though.

527
00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:00.240
She knows how devious when he's going, you and the naggers.

528
00:25:00.299 --> 00:25:02.400
Oh, I'm so happy for all of us.

529
00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:04.740
No, she does know immediately.

530
00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:06.660
Doesn't she say, doesn't she say something?

531
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:07.680
I'm sure she does.

532
00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:10.259
I don't know what you're planning, Quark, but don't even think

533
00:25:10.259 --> 00:25:11.160
about it, all right?

534
00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:12.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

535
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:15.299
No, she's she's not deceived by him at all.

536
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.180
You know, the other thing I really like about this subplay.

537
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:21.299
I just I'll say it a 1000000 times, I just love hanging on the

538
00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:22.140
station with these people.

539
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:26.700
The subplot takes us through the contractual obligations of every

540
00:25:26.700 --> 00:25:27.359
regular.

541
00:25:27.420 --> 00:25:29.160
Everyone gets a little turn.

542
00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:29.759
Yes.

543
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:33.539
And a little opinion about Rom's relationship with Lisa, you

544
00:25:33.539 --> 00:25:33.779
know?

545
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:37.680
But they're so they're so well done, the characters at this

546
00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:37.920
point.

547
00:25:37.980 --> 00:25:42.000
You can just have them in one scene doing one thing as a part of

548
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:43.319
an ensemble episode.

549
00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:47.640
Yeah, so we don't see Renee, obviously, because he's behind the

550
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:48.119
camera.

551
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:52.500
But, like, the scene with Wharf and Cisco, I think, is pretty

552
00:25:52.500 --> 00:25:52.799
good.

553
00:25:52.859 --> 00:25:56.640
You know, like again, that's just a little character moment, which

554
00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:57.480
I think is pretty good.

555
00:25:57.539 --> 00:25:59.279
Oh here we go.

556
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:00.660
I'm not signing this.

557
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:01.319
Are you mad?

558
00:26:01.380 --> 00:26:04.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great.

559
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:11.400
I had my eye on your money the 1st time I met you. because she

560
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:12.660
thinks love is love, right?

561
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:13.500
Love's not money.

562
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:16.079
I really like her.

563
00:26:16.140 --> 00:26:17.460
Gosh, she's a good character.

564
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:22.799
Like, she's charming as an actress and just, just that sort of

565
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:26.759
level of sincerity and stuff and there's a wonderful two-handed

566
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:28.980
scene with her and Kira.

567
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.859
Later on, which I think is really good.

568
00:26:31.859 --> 00:26:33.960
The pacing of the dialogue in that moment.

569
00:26:34.019 --> 00:26:36.779
It's that's actually quite good dialogue as well.

570
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:39.420
And it's the best bit of direction in the episode because Red A

571
00:26:39.420 --> 00:26:41.759
does this fabulous crane shot going up to them.

572
00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:45.599
Allows us to follow them on the promenade, yeah, on the...

573
00:26:45.660 --> 00:26:48.299
But I like the fact that she's just totally non-federation as well

574
00:26:48.299 --> 00:26:48.660
you know?

575
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:49.680
Yeah, yeah.

576
00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:53.640
She's just an independent Bajoran woman with fabulous tits.

577
00:26:53.700 --> 00:26:55.019
I mean, I've got to say it.

578
00:26:55.619 --> 00:26:57.420
Because they point it out quite a lot.

579
00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.119
Bet she's as close to being a normal person.

580
00:27:00.180 --> 00:27:03.180
You know, when Tilly comes along in discovery, it's kind of like, 0

581
00:27:03.180 --> 00:27:05.039
my God, I can imagine someone like that.

582
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:06.480
Like, I know someone like that.

583
00:27:06.539 --> 00:27:09.599
And I think that that's Lita as well.

584
00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:12.119
She just seems like a nice ordinary person.

585
00:27:12.180 --> 00:27:15.180
And she came in as she was originally going to be Bashir's

586
00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:17.519
girlfriend. and she was for like a season.

587
00:27:17.579 --> 00:27:22.380
Um, she comes in and uh, she's going, oh, doctor, I've got a

588
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:25.980
terrible calf and she's got to go, like terrible fake off him.

589
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:29.460
And Chad Cia comes in and Bashir writes on a pad, go away.

590
00:27:29.460 --> 00:27:30.960
Chad Cia.

591
00:27:31.259 --> 00:27:34.740
It's all crazy comes up.

592
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:36.839
And then they obviously split up.

593
00:27:36.900 --> 00:27:40.859
But in, oh, God, what is the strike episode called?

594
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:42.900
Not rules of acquisition.

595
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:47.880
No, I've been reading about it lately.

596
00:27:47.940 --> 00:27:50.819
It's such a brilliant episode as well. bar association.

597
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:51.839
Bar association.

598
00:27:51.900 --> 00:27:52.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

599
00:27:52.619 --> 00:27:55.380
And obviously she's behind the strike with Rome.

600
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:55.799
Yeah.

601
00:27:55.859 --> 00:27:56.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

602
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:57.839
And in a wonderful moment.

603
00:27:57.900 --> 00:27:59.279
She got outside his quarters.

604
00:27:59.339 --> 00:28:03.119
She goes, you know, no one's as brave as you, Rom.

605
00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:06.720
And he kisses her and then she she kisses him, sorry, and she

606
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:10.319
walks off and he goes, he's just, oh, they're going, oh, she

607
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:10.980
kissed me.

608
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:12.480
She kissed me.

609
00:28:12.779 --> 00:28:14.700
I just love them.

610
00:28:14.819 --> 00:28:19.559
You just can't help your heart goes out to 2 silly, funny, sweet

611
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:20.279
characters.

612
00:28:20.579 --> 00:28:22.980
What is wrong with you, Jama?

613
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:25.319
Adorable.

614
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:31.559
Well, I mean, I think they have the absolute beating heart of, um

615
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:36.000
of, uh, take me out to the holosuite.

616
00:28:36.059 --> 00:28:37.680
Oh, they think so, are you?

617
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:43.200
because all of that hangs on on Cisco being mean to ROM.

618
00:28:43.859 --> 00:28:46.440
But that wonderful moment as well.

619
00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:47.700
Like, they'd never forget them.

620
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:50.460
Even in the climactic sacrifice of angels.

621
00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:54.720
And Rom's about to be executed and Lita goes to visit him in the

622
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:59.460
holding cell and she's doing that comedy. cry again.

623
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:00.599
It's so funny.

624
00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:02.759
I love them.

625
00:29:02.819 --> 00:29:04.200
Oh no, here we go.

626
00:29:04.259 --> 00:29:05.099
What's that?

627
00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:06.960
There seems to be someone else in the closet.

628
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:09.000
Here we go. yeah.

629
00:29:09.059 --> 00:29:12.000
So we actually hear the sound of the transporter, I think.

630
00:29:12.059 --> 00:29:12.660
Is that it?

631
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:16.680
So the 1st time someone's in the closet, it's just that he's

632
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:21.180
hidden there and here we have...

633
00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:21.960
Can I do the line?

634
00:29:22.019 --> 00:29:23.279
Yeah, God.

635
00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:25.980
What are you what are you doing in my closet?

636
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:28.500
conducting official FCA business.

637
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:30.299
In my closet?

638
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:35.700
Oh, he calls it a perverted love affair.

639
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:37.200
I love a fair.

640
00:29:37.259 --> 00:29:38.700
I know, it's really funny, isn't it?

641
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:40.799
And Jeffrey Combs.

642
00:29:40.859 --> 00:29:43.619
Now, he's done about 3 or 4 episodes at this point.

643
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:48.119
So he's under bronze skin now and knows he's just got to play as

644
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:50.400
oily and as snarkily as possible.

645
00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:54.599
It's really funny, isn't it, that he has 2 regular characters in

646
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:55.680
Deep Space Nine?

647
00:29:55.740 --> 00:30:00.240
So we saw him on his 1st appearance, didn't we?

648
00:30:00.299 --> 00:30:06.240
Um, where he's trying to get the, uh, the, you know, uh, That

649
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:09.660
weird kind of deep fake porn of Kira.

650
00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:12.960
But he's really great as brunt.

651
00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:17.460
He's so different from the way he plays Wayoon or Shran or any of

652
00:30:17.460 --> 00:30:18.240
those characters.

653
00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:21.960
It's a really funny, brilliant character actor, isn't he?

654
00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:23.339
Yeah, he is.

655
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:27.240
When he said in that Enterprise interview with Brandon Brock, you

656
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:29.640
know, when they all came together, when he said, you know what?

657
00:30:29.700 --> 00:30:34.259
I really thought, Cummins Prize, I would get a regular role.

658
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:35.880
He goes, I've done my time.

659
00:30:35.940 --> 00:30:37.859
I had given you a lot.

660
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:40.740
You know, they were popular characters.

661
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.119
I put a lot of time in.

662
00:30:42.180 --> 00:30:45.720
I really thought I was going to be elevated to a regular and I was

663
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:46.619
really disappointed.

664
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:48.059
And I can see why, you know?

665
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:49.140
Yeah, yeah.

666
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.019
Because, I mean, that was Armond's kind of trajectory, wasn't it?

667
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:52.619
Yeah.

668
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:55.799
Like he, yeah, he was in a couple of things and Max as well.

669
00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:00.059
They've both been in and and Brian.

670
00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:01.140
Columinius.

671
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:01.859
Yeah, absolutely.

672
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:03.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

673
00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:04.920
And I think they know as well.

674
00:31:05.099 --> 00:31:09.599
Now they've got Armand Shimmerman, they've got Wallace Shorn, and

675
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:12.900
they've got Jeffrey Coombs as regular Frank.

676
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:16.859
They can put any language in their mouths and they will spin gold

677
00:31:16.859 --> 00:31:17.400
out of it.

678
00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:22.319
So if they give run a lion that's really despicable, he's going to

679
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:25.380
say it like the best panto villain you've ever heard.

680
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:29.640
In fact, one of my favourite lines of dialogue was just then when

681
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:32.519
it was just like, oh, I want you to betray your mother and he kind

682
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:33.599
of goes, oh, why?

683
00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:36.960
And he says, well, I'll give you your license back and he goes

684
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:37.200
okay.

685
00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:38.700
Like just instantly.

686
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:39.480
Do you know what I mean?

687
00:31:39.539 --> 00:31:41.880
Like it looks like we're working up to a scene where there's going

688
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:44.880
to be some kind of conflict about that or where he needs to be

689
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:46.019
persuaded, but that doesn't happen.

690
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:47.160
It's just yep, I'll do that.

691
00:31:47.220 --> 00:31:50.099
You know, like within, like he even responds slightly too

692
00:31:50.099 --> 00:31:50.519
quickly.

693
00:31:50.579 --> 00:31:51.359
It's pretty good.

694
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.180
I've come to pay my respects.

695
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:55.019
Well, go on then.

696
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:55.500
Pay them.

697
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:56.640
Pay them.

698
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:01.259
Oh, I just, I, you know what I really hate, though, about the

699
00:32:01.259 --> 00:32:01.920
fringer.

700
00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:05.339
This is golden flat lighting on everything.

701
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.460
I really don't. don't like it.

702
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:12.059
They could have made it a bit more atmospheric, you know?

703
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:17.339
But it's, I mean, it's this, you know, no reflective surfaces.

704
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.279
It's the nerve reflective surfaces thing.

705
00:32:20.339 --> 00:32:21.180
Do you know what I mean?

706
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.539
Nothing looks gold because we don't have reflective surfaces.

707
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:27.480
But I figured they're used in that sort of lighting scheme to

708
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:32.039
suggest wealth, you know, to make it, yeah, to make it, yeah

709
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:32.759
ugly.

710
00:32:32.819 --> 00:32:34.559
Yeah, yeah.

711
00:32:34.740 --> 00:32:38.099
And then you add all the latex to the scene, and it's very ugly.

712
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:43.859
Well, actually, the curtains have a real kind of proper TOS vibe

713
00:32:43.859 --> 00:32:45.720
to them, I reckon, don't you?

714
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:51.059
I do love this. why you just said styles whispering gossip to Zek

715
00:32:51.059 --> 00:32:53.519
and then whispering gossip to movie, you know?

716
00:32:53.700 --> 00:32:56.759
Equal rights for females.

717
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:01.619
But like the 1st 2 things are true.

718
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.319
It's kind of like what about the other rumour where she didn't

719
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.740
give back all of her fortune last episode, you know?

720
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:10.440
She does want equal rights for females. not even a lie.

721
00:33:10.500 --> 00:33:11.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

722
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:12.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah. right.

723
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:16.440
What if she's as cunning and as ruthless as any male.

724
00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:23.640
Oh, it's ridiculous, isn't it?

725
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:25.740
Yeah, yeah.

726
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:30.599
Yeah, but it isn't that different from a Klingon episode, and

727
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:36.180
that's, you know, like in a way, like complaining about this sort

728
00:33:36.180 --> 00:33:41.279
of material is complaining about the tone, and this is a version

729
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:45.240
of Star Trek that makes fun or that punctures kind of the

730
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:48.299
pomposity of the of the Klingon episodes, I think.

731
00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:50.579
And I think, you know what?

732
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:54.900
You can point at this episode as not the most successful for an

733
00:33:54.900 --> 00:33:57.359
episode for the reasons we've already detailed.

734
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:01.079
But there's still a lot of skill on the screen, I think.

735
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:01.740
Yeah, yeah.

736
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:02.339
Yeah.

737
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:07.380
But I, I, I mean, I, the...

738
00:34:07.380 --> 00:34:08.400
Which one?

739
00:34:08.460 --> 00:34:10.800
Well domination by a female?

740
00:34:10.860 --> 00:34:14.039
And then court goes, I know, what a horrifying fault.

741
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:20.159
I love these too, where he's trying to look like he's been here

742
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:25.440
sort of feeling bad and then she notices that the thing doesn't

743
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:27.840
have any power and he kind of says, oh, I must have been too

744
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:28.679
depressed to notice.

745
00:34:28.739 --> 00:34:30.960
What is that hideous?

746
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:33.480
Is it a plot?

747
00:34:33.539 --> 00:34:35.760
Oh, it's steaks.

748
00:34:35.820 --> 00:34:37.199
Yeah, yeah.

749
00:34:37.260 --> 00:34:41.579
I mean, I've heard you talk about eating stranger food than that

750
00:34:41.579 --> 00:34:42.059
if I'm honest.

751
00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:46.860
I love that thing where he says to her, you don't know what it's

752
00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:49.800
like to be denied the opportunity to make profit.

753
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:53.159
And she goes, actually, you know?

754
00:34:53.219 --> 00:34:54.900
You know what that is?

755
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:55.619
It's on you.

756
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:58.739
It's it's an inverse of that line that we had in tacking into the

757
00:34:58.739 --> 00:34:58.980
wind.

758
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.079
Yeah, Damar, who makes those sort of orders, you know?

759
00:35:01.139 --> 00:35:02.519
Yeah, yeah, it's the same thing.

760
00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:04.139
It's proper, isn't it?

761
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:06.360
It's kind of like when it happens to me, it's the worst kind of

762
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:07.920
discrimination, the kind against me.

763
00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:11.460
And like he's never noticed that it's happened to, it's happened

764
00:35:11.460 --> 00:35:13.019
to Ishka her entire life.

765
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:17.400
Um, you know, and he even says, it's, it's worse when you're a

766
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:17.639
man.

767
00:35:17.699 --> 00:35:19.199
Oh, there's a way.

768
00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:21.300
Oh, he does get one scene.

769
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:22.619
Well, he does.

770
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:23.039
Okay.

771
00:35:23.099 --> 00:35:24.239
Okay.

772
00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:28.980
Oh, they're talking about General Mortock, who, for some reason, I

773
00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:31.679
told you about that, bloody bridge on the promenade, didn't I?

774
00:35:31.739 --> 00:35:32.340
It's trouble.

775
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.820
Yes, they're constantly throwing people off the bridge.

776
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:38.159
Just get rid of the bridge, all right?

777
00:35:38.460 --> 00:35:43.800
So Martok's in a cell. and Cisco's, you know, this administration

778
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:48.239
is going, Odo released General Martok, Wharf, Tail General Martok

779
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:50.579
if he does that again, I'm going to fling him back to the Klingon

780
00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:51.659
Empire with a flea in his ear.

781
00:35:51.780 --> 00:35:53.460
Yeah, it's pretty good.

782
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:54.900
Gowron will send someone.

783
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:55.679
So here's the scene.

784
00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:59.039
But the point of the scene. is the sobbing.

785
00:35:59.099 --> 00:35:59.579
Yeah.

786
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:01.500
Yeah, but no, this scene here.

787
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:05.099
Oh, poor Rom.

788
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:06.960
Yeah, yeah.

789
00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:10.380
But what's about to happen when the camera goes up?

790
00:36:10.500 --> 00:36:14.159
Oh, yeah, that's gorgeous.

791
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:18.119
And it's kind of cheesy in the sense because all it is is her

792
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:19.199
contradicting her.

793
00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:25.320
You know, like, uh, you know, uh, he never really loved me.

794
00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:25.980
Yes, he did.

795
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:28.380
You know, Major, you haven't been listening to me.

796
00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:29.159
Yes, I have.

797
00:36:29.219 --> 00:36:33.119
You know, and like, it's actually really nice too, because the 2

798
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:36.539
of them have a lot in common, but they're very different people

799
00:36:36.539 --> 00:36:40.440
and she cares about Lita, which is kind of nice.

800
00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:41.460
I thought that was a good scene.

801
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:45.360
And just like, what, 20 seconds is not long.

802
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:46.500
Yeah, yeah.

803
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:49.500
A bit of money's gone into that 20 seconds, you know?

804
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

805
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:54.059
Just having the camera go across and follow them as they walk.

806
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:56.460
You haven't been listening to me.

807
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:57.420
Yes, I have.

808
00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:59.460
That's how I know you love him.

809
00:36:59.579 --> 00:37:01.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah. really good.

810
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:04.079
Oh, now we've got Ishka. everyone's crying now, you know?

811
00:37:06.300 --> 00:37:08.519
It's Zeky.

812
00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:09.719
He's left me.

813
00:37:11.940 --> 00:37:15.059
Oh, I couldn't live with that colour scheme.

814
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:19.139
Oh, look gray and yellow. awfully entire planet is like that.

815
00:37:19.500 --> 00:37:22.380
Oh, she smacks him on the head as well.

816
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.079
Don't you think anyone but yourself, Quark?

817
00:37:25.139 --> 00:37:29.219
And he says, no, but I do think about myself first.

818
00:37:30.179 --> 00:37:32.579
He's honest, you know?

819
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:33.420
Yeah, yeah.

820
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:36.059
That's a, like, that's not an embarrassing thing.

821
00:37:36.179 --> 00:37:37.739
He is a Ferengi, you know.

822
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:40.860
Oh, Quark, you devious bugger.

823
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:42.960
Look at him now, playing playing the innocent.

824
00:37:43.019 --> 00:37:44.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

825
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:49.380
Look at all that jewellery she's got on as well, man.

826
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.539
She's a bit punky, isn't she?

827
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:57.719
I really, really like the, so they give, you know, they make this

828
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:01.920
decision early on to give Quark like a really, really impressive

829
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:06.420
wardrobe with the tales and stuff and all the embroidery and like

830
00:38:06.420 --> 00:38:09.840
different outfits every week, you know, in a way that's not, you

831
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.659
know, that is not inexpensive, I think.

832
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:13.679
Right.

833
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.480
And then they do...

834
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.179
Hideously patterned every time, you know.

835
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:21.059
It's tailored to hell, but it's hideously pounded.

836
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:22.559
The cart looks great.

837
00:38:22.619 --> 00:38:26.219
He always looks really sharp, you know, in an alien way.

838
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:27.360
I think he looks terrific.

839
00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:30.059
Even Brunt on the thing is wearing something similar.

840
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:31.260
You're right.

841
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:32.400
She like, can't be cheap.

842
00:38:32.460 --> 00:38:34.079
Taylor's shoes for everybody.

843
00:38:34.139 --> 00:38:35.579
I think it looks really good.

844
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:39.480
I think it's a great choice rather than fucking, you know, everyone

845
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.260
in kind of the same outfit, you know, the whole planet where

846
00:38:43.260 --> 00:38:44.699
everyone wears the same thing all the time.

847
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.099
Look, he's got a different outfit here.

848
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:49.260
Him talking to a brunt on the screen here.

849
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:52.559
It's like, you know, Michael Jonas talking to the Kazon in Voyager

850
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.860
except it's really fun in this, you know?

851
00:38:57.420 --> 00:39:00.119
Oh, what's he got off for breakfast?

852
00:39:00.179 --> 00:39:01.019
I dread to think.

853
00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:04.199
So he's distracting her, isn't he?

854
00:39:04.260 --> 00:39:05.340
It looks like fruit.

855
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:06.420
That looks like fruit, me.

856
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:10.139
No, I'm sure it's those horrible things.

857
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:15.480
See, the thing with tube grubs is it's just gosh, isn't it?

858
00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:16.260
Do you know what I mean?

859
00:39:16.380 --> 00:39:19.920
Like all of those things, like all of the absurd, you know, chewing

860
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:23.820
your food first, all of those kind of revolting alien customs.

861
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:27.119
It's why I think the Ferengia just...

862
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:27.659
Do you not remember?

863
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:30.239
joke in DS 9.

864
00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:30.780
Do remember it?

865
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:35.340
So Cisco has Jake and Nog over for dinner, right?

866
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:40.019
Once they've moved in together. and this scene starts and Nogs

867
00:39:40.019 --> 00:39:41.579
going, this is absolutely delicious.

868
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.099
And Jake goes, oh, amazing as ever, dad.

869
00:39:44.219 --> 00:39:44.820
What is it?

870
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:48.960
And he goes, puree of tube grub.

871
00:39:49.019 --> 00:39:51.900
And Jake goes, oh, cube grub.

872
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:52.619
Right.

873
00:39:52.619 --> 00:39:56.039
He goes, if Nogg's willing to try human food.

874
00:39:56.099 --> 00:39:57.780
I thought we would try chips.

875
00:39:57.840 --> 00:39:58.860
Good for him.

876
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:00.420
Oh, great.

877
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.579
I love the running jokes, though, you know.

878
00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:03.960
Self-sealer stem bolts.

879
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:06.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

880
00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:08.940
Well, that, that, of that whole world that they create with all of

881
00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:10.739
that stuff, all of those references.

882
00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:15.960
Oh, so now Quark is going to be what, financial advisor to the

883
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:18.659
makers. yeah, 1st clerk.

884
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:19.739
So it's a thing.

885
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:22.559
There's a really funny line from Brunt later about the 1st clerk

886
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:23.639
as well, which is pretty good.

887
00:40:23.699 --> 00:40:28.800
The funniest thing. the closest thing you could get to actual

888
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:32.159
character development in this episode is the hilarious moment

889
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:35.940
where court starts to feel guilty and goes, I've been hanging out

890
00:40:35.940 --> 00:40:37.380
with those humans for so long.

891
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:41.820
He goes on I've tried to resist this infection of humanity, but

892
00:40:41.820 --> 00:40:44.820
it's just it's there and I can't I can't fight it.

893
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:49.320
Yeah, it's, I think that they can't quite make his motivations

894
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.619
work and so they, they pull that one out.

895
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.980
I think that there is a problem with the plotting at the end

896
00:40:55.980 --> 00:41:00.300
because it all wraps itself up a little bit too quickly and it

897
00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:01.019
doesn't quite work.

898
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:05.760
Well, I mean, there kind of is because there's the twist, isn't

899
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:13.320
there, where Brunt is, uh, actually, you know, has bribed Quark to

900
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:20.880
split up Moogie and Zek so that he can become the Nagus, which is

901
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.579
forgiven at all. quite easily as well, isn't he?

902
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.659
Given, it's a terrible thing in Quark. what he's done.

903
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:31.980
Oh, yeah, yeah, but I think he's, he, the reason that he's

904
00:41:31.980 --> 00:41:35.699
forgiven is because he's a conniving, do you know what I mean?

905
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:37.980
She says, you're a conniving, selfish person.

906
00:41:38.099 --> 00:41:42.719
You know, that this is what sort of behaviour that Ferengi is

907
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:43.440
supposed to show.

908
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:47.760
You know, just as Cleons have to do their stereotypical thing of

909
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:49.139
honour and stuff.

910
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:50.519
Also, too.

911
00:41:50.579 --> 00:41:53.880
I think the discovery that there's a deception at the heart of

912
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:58.139
Ferengi society and a deception at the heart of Klingon society

913
00:41:58.139 --> 00:42:00.719
like all of these things mirror themselves.

914
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.420
So I think that's kind of deliberate.

915
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:06.300
But so he gets away with being terrible because he's supposed to

916
00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:06.780
be.

917
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.179
And in series 7.

918
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:13.019
Every says, we need a new Klingon Empire.

919
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:17.400
Bartok comes in and we get a new Ferengi alliance when Rob comes

920
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:17.639
in.

921
00:42:17.699 --> 00:42:18.900
Yeah exactly.

922
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:22.199
My God, I didn't realise there was so many parallels.

923
00:42:25.019 --> 00:42:28.980
I don't know if I've ever heard anyone make the suggestion

924
00:42:28.980 --> 00:42:29.579
either.

925
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:31.559
So we may be unique here, you know.

926
00:42:31.619 --> 00:42:34.860
Yeah, but I think it's inescapable, isn't it?

927
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:36.780
It does definitely seem to be that.

928
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.199
There must be people who've made the connection between the

929
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.739
revocation of. of his license and the discommendation of war.

930
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:49.500
I love, love, love this scene where Rom's just looking at his

931
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:53.519
money in 2 piles and he's like, I'm going to give half of this to

932
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:54.059
Lita.

933
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.340
And, and O'Brien basically, is this for me?

934
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:58.199
She doesn't want your money, for God's sake.

935
00:42:58.260 --> 00:43:03.239
And the decision that he makes is so wrong and so beautiful and

936
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:03.960
the reaction.

937
00:43:04.019 --> 00:43:04.679
He does it again.

938
00:43:04.739 --> 00:43:08.460
He goes, I gave all the money to the Bajoran War Orphans, Major

939
00:43:08.460 --> 00:43:09.960
Kira, kiss me.

940
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:12.599
It's so cute.

941
00:43:12.659 --> 00:43:14.460
That's so wonderful.

942
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:16.679
I really, really like that line a lot.

943
00:43:16.739 --> 00:43:18.480
And he's bribing her.

944
00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:21.659
Like he's being a friend. going, I'm going to bribe her to marry

945
00:43:21.659 --> 00:43:22.500
me.

946
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:25.320
And O'Brien says, bribes are going to work.

947
00:43:25.380 --> 00:43:27.420
Oh, bribes can be very effective.

948
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:31.139
Have you not figured out that Lisa is her own woman, you know?

949
00:43:31.260 --> 00:43:31.800
Yeah.

950
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:36.840
But like, I shoe like this, he's describing the Latinum.

951
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:40.079
And so he is, there are Ferengi instincts to Rom.

952
00:43:40.139 --> 00:43:41.340
Yeah, you know.

953
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:41.760
Yeah.

954
00:43:41.820 --> 00:43:43.619
But he's just a better person than that.

955
00:43:43.860 --> 00:43:48.300
And just giving it away and having nothing but love.

956
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:50.460
Now, I'm not.

957
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:53.639
I mean, I am a bit of a romantic, but I don't really like romance

958
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:58.920
too much in telly, but just stupid gestures like this. sing to me

959
00:43:58.980 --> 00:44:01.260
think it's adorable. sing to me.

960
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:05.219
Oh, God. you know, I want to try a jump jawstick so badly.

961
00:44:05.460 --> 00:44:09.119
I figure I figure it's like a toffee apple, you know, but without

962
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:09.719
the apple.

963
00:44:09.780 --> 00:44:14.340
Just looking into that one. can't really get it all into his

964
00:44:14.340 --> 00:44:14.519
mouth.

965
00:44:14.579 --> 00:44:17.940
I mean, that's the best running joke in DSI, isn't it?

966
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:19.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

967
00:44:19.260 --> 00:44:20.639
Is he in every episode?

968
00:44:20.699 --> 00:44:21.420
I'm not sure.

969
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:22.920
I like to think he is.

970
00:44:23.099 --> 00:44:27.960
But there are lots of whatever he is is in Star Trek discovery

971
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:32.159
particularly in the future, like in the future. isn't it, where

972
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:35.699
they finally give more than an episode and it doesn't feature an X

973
00:44:35.699 --> 00:44:36.659
party, isn't it?

974
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:37.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

975
00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:39.239
Except the 1st and last scene.

976
00:44:39.300 --> 00:44:40.019
That's it.

977
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:44.400
Well, it's even the even the joke that he's never stops talking.

978
00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:45.360
Yeah.

979
00:44:45.420 --> 00:44:46.380
Yeah.

980
00:44:46.739 --> 00:44:50.219
Hold that thought, he goes cork at the end of the scene.

981
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

982
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:53.820
Oh, look at this.

983
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:55.320
No, we have nothing but our love.

984
00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:57.059
I mean, Chase Marson.

985
00:44:57.119 --> 00:44:57.659
He's done.

986
00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:59.760
Well, she is absolutely beautiful, isn't she?

987
00:44:59.820 --> 00:45:00.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

988
00:45:00.900 --> 00:45:03.659
There's some very pretty women on Deep Space Night. don't they?

989
00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:04.980
Yeah, they do.

990
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.500
Then one or 2 pretty men.

991
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:11.400
And so Julian is about to appear for no reason.

992
00:45:11.460 --> 00:45:13.739
It really ought to be Kira.

993
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:17.760
Well, you just have a look at him, please, because obviously he's

994
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:18.780
got different hair.

995
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:21.659
Young Django has recently been born at the beginning of the

996
00:45:21.659 --> 00:45:21.960
season.

997
00:45:22.019 --> 00:45:25.800
And you can see, no matter how much makeup they put on his face.

998
00:45:25.860 --> 00:45:26.639
He's not sleeping.

999
00:45:26.699 --> 00:45:27.360
He's exhausted.

1000
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:30.300
Please.

1001
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:32.340
Could I just do one scene and then go to bed?

1002
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:32.820
Thank you.

1003
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:39.719
I love how there are towels at the door. like because it's raining

1004
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:44.880
outside always and he comes in and uses it to mop his ears.

1005
00:45:44.940 --> 00:45:48.719
It was like the joke the other week where, you know, Quark talks

1006
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:51.420
about babies and how they're always putting things in their ears.

1007
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:53.400
Like that is kind of cute.

1008
00:45:53.460 --> 00:45:56.760
It comes to a point, you know, sort of somewhere along the line in

1009
00:45:56.760 --> 00:46:01.980
DS9, where I just stop resisting how ridiculous this culture is

1010
00:46:01.980 --> 00:46:05.460
and I just believe in it, you know, like... awesome.

1011
00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:08.880
I mean, there's enough details so they keep bringing out that

1012
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:10.019
bloody book, don't they?

1013
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:12.059
The rules of acquisition every season.

1014
00:46:12.179 --> 00:46:16.079
I mean, I love the fact that there's a little box by the door.

1015
00:46:16.139 --> 00:46:18.780
So you put in your slip of latinum as you visit people, you know?

1016
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:20.880
Yeah, yeah, I'm paying you for your time.

1017
00:46:20.940 --> 00:46:21.360
Okay?

1018
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:25.679
So this, I think, is the most interesting revelation, isn't it

1019
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:31.559
that she's running the place, that she's actually running it, and

1020
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:36.780
that, and so it makes Quark responsible, possibly, for the

1021
00:46:36.780 --> 00:46:42.960
collapse of the Ferengi Empire, and he didn't realise it, and that

1022
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:46.320
Brunt, you know, she knows instantly because she's much smarter

1023
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:48.780
than him. that it was Brunt who put him up to it.

1024
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:50.219
She goes to him.

1025
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.800
Why don't you try stroking his lobes?

1026
00:46:52.860 --> 00:46:53.760
That seems...

1027
00:46:53.820 --> 00:46:55.079
Yeah, I know that's so funny.

1028
00:46:55.139 --> 00:46:56.639
He's going, no, I didn't try that.

1029
00:46:56.699 --> 00:46:57.239
No.

1030
00:46:57.300 --> 00:46:59.940
I love all these dramatic statements.

1031
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:03.119
You may have just triggered the social and financial collapse of

1032
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:04.800
the entire Ferengi economy.

1033
00:47:04.860 --> 00:47:06.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1034
00:47:06.420 --> 00:47:08.880
And I love that it's called the Ferengi economy.

1035
00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:12.119
It is called the Ferengi Financial Empire at one point, but I did

1036
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:14.579
love the line, the Ferengi Economy is pretty good.

1037
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:18.000
Yeah, oh, look, look, there's that joke that we were talking about

1038
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:21.119
the other time when, you know, when you're busy.

1039
00:47:21.179 --> 00:47:24.119
You've got 15 pads rather than just one pad.

1040
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:26.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1041
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:27.239
All these pads.

1042
00:47:27.300 --> 00:47:28.199
What am I going to do?

1043
00:47:28.260 --> 00:47:28.739
you know?

1044
00:47:28.980 --> 00:47:33.599
I did I did think that scene earlier where Zach has forgot his

1045
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:36.000
iPhone passcode was pretty funny as well.

1046
00:47:36.059 --> 00:47:37.739
You know, like...

1047
00:47:37.739 --> 00:47:40.980
Do you remember what happened to Grand Negro Smeat?

1048
00:47:40.980 --> 00:47:43.079
Assassinated in his office, I believe.

1049
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:44.940
No.

1050
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:49.679
Then they say, and do you know what happened to the 1st club?

1051
00:47:49.739 --> 00:47:51.000
What was the name of his 1st class?

1052
00:47:51.059 --> 00:47:52.619
They buried him with him.

1053
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:57.300
Why is he now walking on the?

1054
00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:58.619
Oh no, that's where the throne is.

1055
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:00.179
Sorry, I thought he was walking on the table.

1056
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:01.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1057
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:04.079
No, he was on his way up to the throne.

1058
00:48:04.139 --> 00:48:05.699
And so he tries to thrown out.

1059
00:48:05.820 --> 00:48:08.760
In fact, that is quite well staged that shot, isn't it?

1060
00:48:08.820 --> 00:48:11.219
Because it does tell you everything you need to know about Brock

1061
00:48:11.219 --> 00:48:12.300
without him saying a word.

1062
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:14.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1063
00:48:14.099 --> 00:48:16.500
Oh, he sits down like, ooh, comfortable.

1064
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:18.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1065
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:19.679
He kind of feels it. doesn't he?

1066
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.340
Grand Negus brunt.

1067
00:48:24.300 --> 00:48:27.000
Daddy would be so proud.

1068
00:48:27.059 --> 00:48:28.079
He's...

1069
00:48:28.139 --> 00:48:28.980
It's so funny.

1070
00:48:30.059 --> 00:48:31.800
That's almost a motive, right?

1071
00:48:34.500 --> 00:48:38.579
Trust me, there are Star Trek characters with less of a motive

1072
00:48:38.579 --> 00:48:39.599
than daddy would be proud.

1073
00:48:39.659 --> 00:48:41.699
Yeah, no, that is pretty good.

1074
00:48:41.820 --> 00:48:46.139
And so I think because this is the interesting revelation.

1075
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:54.719
The actual meeting at which Zek is able to kind of function and

1076
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:58.980
and, you know, he's being prompted by Quark, who has been prompted

1077
00:48:58.980 --> 00:49:04.079
by Ishka, we never get to see that scene, and it does sound like

1078
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.380
it's kind of like, oh, we've run out of, because it sounds like it

1079
00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:11.820
needs more work than that, you know, as if, as if, uh, there

1080
00:49:11.820 --> 00:49:16.440
needed to be like a, a, you know, like a communicator or something

1081
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:20.159
like some kind of Cyrano thing where she's, you know, behind it.

1082
00:49:20.219 --> 00:49:21.239
But we only have...

1083
00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:23.159
We've already done that earlier in the season, remember?

1084
00:49:23.219 --> 00:49:24.900
Oh, okay.

1085
00:49:25.019 --> 00:49:26.219
We did it, didn't we?

1086
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:28.619
Looking out for Mark in all the wrong places, remember?

1087
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:29.519
Oh yes, of course.

1088
00:49:29.579 --> 00:49:30.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1089
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:32.519
But I was hoodwinned for a second.

1090
00:49:32.579 --> 00:49:36.420
I was hoodwinked because it then cuts from this scene between

1091
00:49:36.420 --> 00:49:40.920
Ishka and Quark to the Grand Age going, ha, ha.

1092
00:49:40.980 --> 00:49:42.840
I surprised them all with that meeting, didn't I?

1093
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:46.199
And I figured, so he knew Ishka was involved.

1094
00:49:46.260 --> 00:49:50.039
And then court goes, oh, it wasn't me.

1095
00:49:50.099 --> 00:49:52.980
Here's my financial advisor in this cloak.

1096
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:53.460
Yeah, yeah.

1097
00:49:53.579 --> 00:49:55.079
Oh, please you got that moment.

1098
00:49:55.139 --> 00:49:57.599
Because then he goes, you know, that insidious female.

1099
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:03.659
I just love his live readings.

1100
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:04.679
It just makes me die.

1101
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.679
We haven't even got to the famous one yet, have we?

1102
00:50:07.739 --> 00:50:08.159
What is it?

1103
00:50:08.219 --> 00:50:10.019
I said it at the start of the episode.

1104
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:12.780
Quark, I find your new find confidence.

1105
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:14.159
Very annoying.

1106
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.860
But I also love these too.

1107
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:20.219
It's like I know how important your problems are to you.

1108
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:23.219
She says too. is fantastic.

1109
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:25.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1110
00:50:25.260 --> 00:50:26.940
But I don't give a damn about them right now.

1111
00:50:27.179 --> 00:50:30.119
Would you say that to me every now and again, please?

1112
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:34.500
I don't want problems on you all the time to you.

1113
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:36.179
I know how important they are to you, yeah.

1114
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:38.039
To you, yeah.

1115
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:43.320
Oh, oh, look at that hideous statuette.

1116
00:50:43.380 --> 00:50:44.039
Oh, dear.

1117
00:50:44.099 --> 00:50:45.300
Oh yes.

1118
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:46.440
I'd like to know where that went.

1119
00:50:46.500 --> 00:50:49.320
I wonder if Ira Bear kept it because he loved the Fringies, didn't

1120
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:49.440
he?

1121
00:50:50.340 --> 00:50:55.800
You know, he's got Renault Oberjon Wire's ex-mask, the one that he

1122
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.500
tore off. at the end of the series, on the wall, yeah.

1123
00:50:58.559 --> 00:50:59.760
Oh, no.

1124
00:51:00.179 --> 00:51:03.539
He said it stinks like scrambled eggs.

1125
00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:06.480
Yeah, no, that's not good.

1126
00:51:06.539 --> 00:51:07.619
Don't don't do that.

1127
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:12.300
I think there's someone mentioned where that prop was, actually.

1128
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:12.900
I can't remember.

1129
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.980
They did auction a load of stuff off. scripts and props and all of

1130
00:51:16.980 --> 00:51:20.940
that, you know, like, that is one amazing thing about, um, the

1131
00:51:20.940 --> 00:51:24.300
Star Trek producers and fandom, is the amount of money they raise

1132
00:51:24.300 --> 00:51:27.960
for charity auction of itself. incredible.

1133
00:51:28.019 --> 00:51:34.139
And so what we have here too is an out where we mentioned that

1134
00:51:34.139 --> 00:51:39.239
Vulcans can solve memory loss and they make very good doctors and

1135
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:39.599
staff.

1136
00:51:39.659 --> 00:51:44.400
And then Mehardu has to make uh, uh, you know, like a call, you

1137
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.260
know, make a make an appointment later.

1138
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:50.820
And so we don't get this memory loss again, do we or not?

1139
00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:52.500
Well, I mean, I think...

1140
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:54.719
I think the line just sort of waves our side, doesn't it?

1141
00:51:54.780 --> 00:51:56.519
Okay, he's seen a Vulcan doctor.

1142
00:51:56.579 --> 00:51:56.880
Fine.

1143
00:51:56.940 --> 00:51:58.739
Yeah, we don't need to do that again.

1144
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:03.360
If we decide to come back and not have that anymore than we've

1145
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:03.840
dealt with it.

1146
00:52:03.900 --> 00:52:06.360
It's only really pertinent to this episode, isn't it?

1147
00:52:06.420 --> 00:52:07.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1148
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:12.059
The next time we catch up with Zek is profit and lace, and, well

1149
00:52:12.059 --> 00:52:13.500
there's all sorts happening there.

1150
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:15.000
Yeah, yeah.

1151
00:52:15.659 --> 00:52:18.840
Maybe it'll surprise us, Nathan. never know.

1152
00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:19.679
Maybe.

1153
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:21.000
I doubt it though.

1154
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:25.019
He does have that great line, you know, bias.

1155
00:52:25.019 --> 00:52:29.219
Together, we're going to retake an empire or die in the attempt.

1156
00:52:33.300 --> 00:52:35.940
Yeah, so all of that stuff.

1157
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.880
Like I just think that that weird stuff is all, it's all just

1158
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:40.800
resolved a bit quickly and we don't really care.

1159
00:52:40.860 --> 00:52:44.639
It's like the climactic scene happens off screen.

1160
00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:48.059
This is the 2nd time in a trot as well, because we did a session

1161
00:52:48.059 --> 00:52:52.500
last for DS9, where, as you said in that episode, we've seen the

1162
00:52:52.500 --> 00:52:57.300
absolute upheaval for society and its solution in 45 minutes.

1163
00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:58.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1164
00:52:58.860 --> 00:53:01.079
So we get that with 3 characters.

1165
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:02.820
Yeah, yeah.

1166
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:07.380
I mean, admittedly, it's just a bad day's run on the stock market

1167
00:53:07.380 --> 00:53:07.739
isn't it?

1168
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:11.880
Like, and then they close down trading and then we sort of solve

1169
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:12.420
the problem again.

1170
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:14.519
Did you see that continuity then?

1171
00:53:14.579 --> 00:53:16.139
Oh, what was that?

1172
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:17.159
That was terrible.

1173
00:53:17.219 --> 00:53:22.739
She came in with the jacket around like over her and then it cut

1174
00:53:22.739 --> 00:53:25.679
away and then in the next shot it's round her neck like a scarf.

1175
00:53:25.739 --> 00:53:26.880
Oh, no.

1176
00:53:28.139 --> 00:53:31.980
Not as bad as that continuity we had the other day with 0 in

1177
00:53:31.980 --> 00:53:35.760
prodigy, yeah, yeah, where his legs kept appearing and

1178
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:36.300
disappearing.

1179
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:39.420
What I love about Ishka, though, right, is that they can put her

1180
00:53:39.420 --> 00:53:43.619
in any hideous clothes and Cecily Adams carries herself as if

1181
00:53:43.619 --> 00:53:45.840
she's absolutely beautiful. you know?

1182
00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:48.000
Yeah, yeah, she's great, isn't she?

1183
00:53:48.059 --> 00:53:50.159
And they were getting quite filthy.

1184
00:53:50.219 --> 00:53:54.119
So the action figures.

1185
00:53:54.179 --> 00:54:00.119
Do you notice that some of them have little Ferengi whips from the

1186
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:01.079
last outpost?

1187
00:54:01.139 --> 00:54:02.579
Probably is those, isn't it?

1188
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:06.539
Oh, no, no, I don't think so, but they have the little, they have

1189
00:54:06.539 --> 00:54:07.559
like whips with them.

1190
00:54:07.619 --> 00:54:09.360
Did you hear that then?

1191
00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:12.239
That was the most disgusting exchange of the whole thing.

1192
00:54:12.300 --> 00:54:13.860
It goes, the thing...

1193
00:54:13.860 --> 00:54:15.059
May how do it will make dinner?

1194
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:17.699
I've got other plans, plans for you.

1195
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:20.760
But earlier on, it was like, what am I going to do with you?

1196
00:54:20.820 --> 00:54:22.380
And she says anything you like.

1197
00:54:23.340 --> 00:54:26.280
I mean, the most...

1198
00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:29.579
Revolting moment with the Nagus is when he's in that cell with the

1199
00:54:29.579 --> 00:54:33.780
intendant and she's tickling his ear here and goes, have a seat

1200
00:54:33.780 --> 00:54:34.199
big boy.

1201
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:40.139
Well, they're Ferengi, they are, um, they are well honed.

1202
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:42.059
Are they?

1203
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:47.219
Yeah, don't you remember that scene in the price where the Ferengi

1204
00:54:47.219 --> 00:54:50.579
the Ferengi's in the background in 10 forward, and he just holds

1205
00:54:50.579 --> 00:54:55.440
his hands out, like, like, just, as if to indicate how big it is

1206
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:58.920
and then the world goes, just rolls her eyes and walks off.

1207
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:01.920
Of course, brunts in the closet.

1208
00:55:01.980 --> 00:55:03.900
This is where we conduct all of our business now.

1209
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:05.340
That's right.

1210
00:55:06.059 --> 00:55:10.980
I just like, every time Brunt is foiled, right?

1211
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.739
But he always gets a scene at the end going, oh, I'll be back

1212
00:55:13.739 --> 00:55:14.400
quack.

1213
00:55:14.460 --> 00:55:16.260
Yes, yeah, yeah.

1214
00:55:16.260 --> 00:55:17.460
And you know we will.

1215
00:55:18.059 --> 00:55:22.199
And yeah, the next time he appears, is magnificent Ferengi where

1216
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:23.039
they're on the same side.

1217
00:55:23.099 --> 00:55:25.860
It's wonderful Yeah, yeah, because, yeah, yeah.

1218
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:27.059
I love that episode.

1219
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:28.920
We roll that, we'll have the best time.

1220
00:55:29.219 --> 00:55:32.280
I watched it sort of reasonably recently.

1221
00:55:32.340 --> 00:55:36.119
I think at some point because we mentioned it for some reason, and

1222
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:37.260
I did think it was pretty good.

1223
00:55:37.260 --> 00:55:42.719
And I did have that, that, that horrible um, vorta from rocks and

1224
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:43.619
shoals, didn't it?

1225
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:47.940
after he's killed after he's dead.

1226
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:49.139
Oh, wonderful.

1227
00:55:50.219 --> 00:55:53.940
One day quark, you're going to make a grave mistake.

1228
00:55:56.099 --> 00:55:58.860
But he has got his license back now.

1229
00:55:58.860 --> 00:56:00.480
So he can do business again.

1230
00:56:00.539 --> 00:56:02.639
Which I'm pleased, I'm pleased they resolve.

1231
00:56:02.699 --> 00:56:03.900
Yeah, yeah.

1232
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:05.880
So that's the end of that discommendation arc.

1233
00:56:05.940 --> 00:56:09.179
They they do, you say arc.

1234
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:11.639
They do 2 things at the end of series four.

1235
00:56:11.699 --> 00:56:12.659
One episode after another.

1236
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.420
They take away quartz license and they make Odo human.

1237
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:20.280
And yeah, one of my very few complaints about series 5 is they

1238
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:24.780
don't really do anything with either of those 2 things until they

1239
00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:25.920
rectify the decision.

1240
00:56:25.980 --> 00:56:29.519
Odo in the begotten becomes a changeling again and Guork in this

1241
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:30.300
guess is last.

1242
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:35.039
They do deal with it, but there was scope to do more with it. to

1243
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:35.340
keep going.

1244
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:36.119
Yeah.

1245
00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:40.079
Because, I mean, even Star Trek the Next Generation, which does so

1246
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:44.340
little kind of serialised storytelling, that does become a change

1247
00:56:44.340 --> 00:56:49.320
in the status quo, and you do have him tentative about interacting

1248
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:52.559
with Klingons and all sorts of things like that a couple of times

1249
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:55.980
I think, before it all sort of comes back.

1250
00:56:56.039 --> 00:57:01.800
You know, I was staring at piles of money on Sunday. right?

1251
00:57:01.860 --> 00:57:05.880
When a message came through from you, having watched or watching

1252
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:11.820
Ferengi love songs and saying, um, I absolutely did not hate that

1253
00:57:11.820 --> 00:57:13.199
episode, right?

1254
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:17.460
And I thought to myself, oh, no, it looks like we're going to be

1255
00:57:17.460 --> 00:57:17.760
fine.

1256
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:20.039
We're going to be fighting on this one, you know?

1257
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:24.000
At first, a night in Sick Bay, now this?

1258
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:27.780
What was the other one?

1259
00:57:27.780 --> 00:57:28.800
Genesis as well?

1260
00:57:29.579 --> 00:57:30.000
Genesis?

1261
00:57:30.539 --> 00:57:33.239
As he finally lost his mind.

1262
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:38.460
Well, I don't think that that episode was as good as either a

1263
00:57:38.460 --> 00:57:43.260
night in Sick Bay or Genesis, but I do think it was pretty fun. and

1264
00:57:43.260 --> 00:57:48.059
I am glad that Deep Face 9 does it, and it is Deep Space 9's

1265
00:57:48.059 --> 00:57:51.179
version of the Klingon arc that we get in Star Trek, the next

1266
00:57:51.179 --> 00:57:53.340
Generation, and that's pretty fun.

1267
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:55.679
Like I'm kind of happy they went for it.

1268
00:57:55.739 --> 00:57:59.219
Yeah, I don't think that is an amazing episode, but pretty fun

1269
00:57:59.219 --> 00:58:03.059
I'll take because some episodes of Star Trek are not pretty fun.

1270
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:07.679
At this point, unless it's a true dog of a script and there aren't

1271
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.980
many, you know, from season 4 to season seven.

1272
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:12.960
There are many really bad scripts.

1273
00:58:13.019 --> 00:58:16.380
Let here is without Sin, maybe, and a few others, but not many.

1274
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:20.940
Even if they're less than stellar scripts, they've just got so

1275
00:58:20.940 --> 00:58:24.960
many great actors on this show and they can do something with

1276
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:28.920
weaker material and they just they're clearly having a blast with

1277
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:29.820
this script.

1278
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:32.699
Yeah, and just think how many speaking parts there are in this

1279
00:58:32.699 --> 00:58:33.719
episode as well.

1280
00:58:33.780 --> 00:58:37.139
Like, you know, it's not just like the one guest star and stuff

1281
00:58:37.139 --> 00:58:38.579
there's a lot of people involved.

1282
00:58:38.579 --> 00:58:43.019
And that B plot on the station is really kind of, you know

1283
00:58:43.019 --> 00:58:43.559
predictable.

1284
00:58:43.619 --> 00:58:48.179
It goes exactly how you would expect, but it was amiable and it

1285
00:58:48.179 --> 00:58:51.719
gave us time with all those characters. know what it leads to

1286
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:52.139
don't you?

1287
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:57.000
It leads, it leads to, um, uh, the bit where they get married in a

1288
00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:00.659
call to arms. in the middle of the buildup to this huge fight that

1289
00:59:00.659 --> 00:59:01.199
we're going to have.

1290
00:59:01.260 --> 00:59:05.760
Cisco performs the ceremony and then Rom gets to do the Casablanca

1291
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:09.179
thing, leader, get on that shuttle and don't look back.

1292
00:59:10.860 --> 00:59:12.300
Wonderful.

1293
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:18.599
This show is absolutely fucking absurd and I love it. wonderful.

1294
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:28.500
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

1295
00:59:28.500 --> 00:59:33.420
work out where we're going next, and it's my turn to pick, and I'm

1296
00:59:33.420 --> 00:59:38.940
going to choose an episode of a series that we've neglected.

1297
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:44.039
We haven't done an episode of it since January, and it's the

1298
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:48.719
series that we have covered the least in untitled Star Trek

1299
00:59:48.719 --> 00:59:50.880
project by percentage.

1300
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:55.199
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

1301
00:59:55.260 --> 00:59:59.460
It's it's an odd one because it is very serialised and so

1302
00:59:59.460 --> 01:00:02.039
sometimes it's a little bit daunting to approach it.

1303
01:00:02.099 --> 01:00:04.380
It is, of course, Star Trek Picard.

1304
01:00:04.619 --> 01:00:08.940
Not my favourite iteration of Kurtzman Trek, I'll be honest.

1305
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:13.980
I have to say, though, that it has a lot going for it, and

1306
01:00:13.980 --> 01:00:16.079
obviously season 3 was incredible.

1307
01:00:16.139 --> 01:00:19.860
And in fact, season 3 is something that I'll always remember

1308
01:00:19.860 --> 01:00:26.699
because the 1st episode aired on the night that I flew out of

1309
01:00:26.699 --> 01:00:32.039
London after staying with you, when we recorded the Justice

1310
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:32.760
episode.

1311
01:00:32.820 --> 01:00:36.539
And so I watched it in my hotel room before going out to dinner

1312
01:00:36.539 --> 01:00:40.019
the night before leaving England, and it was pretty incredible.

1313
01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:43.739
Is it that you watched that after you watched Justice and just

1314
01:00:43.739 --> 01:00:46.679
anything would have been more enjoyable than that.

1315
01:00:46.739 --> 01:00:49.860
I mean, you watched Justice with me in person.

1316
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:53.099
So obviously that was the best Star Trek experience you've ever

1317
01:00:53.099 --> 01:00:53.400
had.

1318
01:00:53.579 --> 01:00:56.039
But it was a very bad episode.

1319
01:00:56.099 --> 01:01:01.079
And perhaps the 1st episode of season three of Picard was slightly

1320
01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:04.079
better than that and that may have coloured my memory.

1321
01:01:04.139 --> 01:01:05.940
But I am gonna give it a go.

1322
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:09.659
You'll be pleased to know, you know, fans of untitled Star Trek

1323
01:01:09.659 --> 01:01:13.260
project that I'm dragging Nathan halfway across the globe again

1324
01:01:13.260 --> 01:01:17.820
but this time I'm going to record at least 4 episodes of Untitled

1325
01:01:17.820 --> 01:01:20.039
Star Trek project with him in person.

1326
01:01:20.099 --> 01:01:20.699
That's right.

1327
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:21.719
All right.

1328
01:01:21.780 --> 01:01:23.699
Okay, I'm up for that.

1329
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:25.260
Okay, all right.

1330
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:27.000
I am going to press the button.

1331
01:01:27.300 --> 01:01:34.199
Your random Star Trek Picard episode is season two, episode nine

1332
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:35.820
hide and seek.

1333
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:42.179
So we actually did the next episode, which is called Farewell, the

1334
01:01:42.179 --> 01:01:43.199
end of series 2.

1335
01:01:43.619 --> 01:01:48.480
And so hide and seek is an episode where a bunch of people are

1336
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:50.460
attacking Chateau Picard.

1337
01:01:50.940 --> 01:01:54.119
So the 2nd last episode of season two.

1338
01:01:54.179 --> 01:01:56.820
But it's a bit close to one that we've done already, so I am going

1339
01:01:56.820 --> 01:01:57.599
to pick another one.

1340
01:01:57.659 --> 01:01:59.460
I'm going to make a suggestion.

1341
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:00.780
Yeah.

1342
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:06.179
I mean, this is random, but I think the 1st season one episode you

1343
01:02:06.179 --> 01:02:09.840
come across, because we haven't discussed season one too much, and

1344
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.539
I think it's probably the most interesting season to talk about.

1345
01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:14.639
Yeah, I think that's right.

1346
01:02:14.699 --> 01:02:16.679
We've done the Penthe.

1347
01:02:16.739 --> 01:02:19.619
I think might be the only one of those that we've done.

1348
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:22.079
All right, let's try another one.

1349
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:30.000
No win scenario, which we did in episode 92 of Untitled Star Trek

1350
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:31.559
Project such a long time ago.

1351
01:02:34.739 --> 01:02:43.559
Dominion series 3 episode 7, which is just more of the Shrike and

1352
01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:44.280
the Titan.

1353
01:02:44.340 --> 01:02:46.079
Uh, let's try another one.

1354
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:48.960
Season three, episode two.

1355
01:02:49.019 --> 01:02:50.400
Disengage?

1356
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:52.079
That was a good one as well.

1357
01:02:52.139 --> 01:02:52.739
Yeah.

1358
01:02:52.739 --> 01:02:54.960
I love the 1st half of series 3.

1359
01:02:55.139 --> 01:02:56.880
I liked all of it.

1360
01:02:56.940 --> 01:02:57.840
I just thought it was really great.

1361
01:02:57.900 --> 01:03:01.559
It was like one big, long story that was sort of properly

1362
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:05.219
satisfying and it inevitably ended up with the Borg, but this time

1363
01:03:05.219 --> 01:03:08.219
at least they were teamed up with fee changelings.

1364
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:09.780
Oh, yeah, that was nice.

1365
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:10.500
I did like that.

1366
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:10.800
Yeah.

1367
01:03:11.940 --> 01:03:16.019
Oh, season three, episode six, the bounty.

1368
01:03:16.619 --> 01:03:19.860
Okay. to start to feel like last week.

1369
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:21.360
Okay, here we go.

1370
01:03:21.420 --> 01:03:22.440
Here we go, here we go.

1371
01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:27.179
So it's season one, episode four, absolute candour, which

1372
01:03:27.179 --> 01:03:34.139
introduces the adorable character of Elnor, who has been brought

1373
01:03:34.139 --> 01:03:37.559
up by Romul and the Sincerity Nuns, remember?

1374
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:40.920
And he's the little cute Australian Ninja Boy.

1375
01:03:40.980 --> 01:03:44.099
It does say something that you, when you said the name, I didn't

1376
01:03:44.099 --> 01:03:45.360
have a clue you were talking about.

1377
01:03:45.420 --> 01:03:47.639
But then when you said the explanation, I did.

1378
01:03:47.699 --> 01:03:48.659
Yes.

1379
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:49.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1380
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:51.659
So he's only really in series one.

1381
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:57.900
He does a top and tail series too. but he's not in series 3 at

1382
01:03:57.900 --> 01:03:58.199
all.

1383
01:03:58.260 --> 01:04:00.420
But he is so cute.

1384
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.119
And the thing about him that I really love is that he's absolutely

1385
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:04.559
played for laughs.

1386
01:04:04.619 --> 01:04:08.880
He is this sort of, you know, like elf character with an

1387
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:12.900
Australian accent, who is just terribly sweet and silly and played

1388
01:04:12.900 --> 01:04:13.440
for laugh.

1389
01:04:13.500 --> 01:04:14.760
So that sounds like fun, I think.

1390
01:04:14.820 --> 01:04:15.539
What do you reckon?

1391
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:19.559
It's such a show in flux at this point as well. where they're

1392
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:23.400
trying to figure out what works and what doesn't because they do

1393
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:26.940
make some cause corrections with Picard several times.

1394
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:32.039
The overview I've got here is looking to tie up overdue loose ends

1395
01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:35.639
handy in an arc and recruit additional help.

1396
01:04:35.699 --> 01:04:40.440
Picard is forced to confront his unkept promises when he visits a

1397
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:42.360
colony of Romulan refugees.

1398
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:44.880
He helped to relocate 14 years earlier.

1399
01:04:44.940 --> 01:04:46.019
Yeah.

1400
01:04:46.019 --> 01:04:47.699
Well, sounds absolutely gripping.

1401
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:50.880
But it does introduce Elnor and he's very cute.

1402
01:04:50.940 --> 01:04:53.039
Oh, also being sarcastic.

1403
01:04:53.099 --> 01:04:54.420
That sounded quite good.

1404
01:04:54.480 --> 01:05:00.179
So remember, of course, that the big thing where Picard has that

1405
01:05:00.179 --> 01:05:06.480
sort of his relationship with Starfleet breaks down or with the

1406
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:09.179
Federation in a way breaks down because they refuse to help the

1407
01:05:09.179 --> 01:05:09.659
Romulans.

1408
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:12.119
Fuck you, Picard, said the admiral.

1409
01:05:12.179 --> 01:05:14.519
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1410
01:05:14.579 --> 01:05:17.159
And so all of that stuff, which I think is really good.

1411
01:05:17.219 --> 01:05:22.260
You know, there's a terrible terrorist attack and Starfleet

1412
01:05:22.260 --> 01:05:24.900
becomes a little bit insider and a little bit less willing to help

1413
01:05:24.900 --> 01:05:29.099
with tragedies happening outside its borders and Picant thinks

1414
01:05:29.099 --> 01:05:30.719
that's absolutely the wrong thing to do.

1415
01:05:30.780 --> 01:05:34.500
And so he becomes sort of closely associated with Romulan

1416
01:05:34.500 --> 01:05:35.159
refugees.

1417
01:05:35.219 --> 01:05:37.440
And I think that's a great character development for him.

1418
01:05:37.500 --> 01:05:38.579
I think it works really well.

1419
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:47.639
So the main memory of one series one is about 3 standout episodes

1420
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:51.780
of Star Trek and then a lot of A to being.

1421
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:55.800
You know, with plots just inching along.

1422
01:05:55.860 --> 01:06:00.059
We keep going back to this freaking ball ship and it's so tedious

1423
01:06:00.059 --> 01:06:02.579
but they have to keep inching it along until it gets to a certain

1424
01:06:02.579 --> 01:06:03.000
point.

1425
01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:06.719
And then an amazing episode hits like Nepenthe, you know.

1426
01:06:07.019 --> 01:06:11.579
So let's find out whether we're transitionary. or whether we're

1427
01:06:11.579 --> 01:06:13.380
well, it's just a great episode.

1428
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:17.460
Yeah, probably both, my kids.

1429
01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:28.500
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1430
01:06:28.500 --> 01:06:32.639
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

1431
01:06:31.739 --> 01:06:35.099
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1432
01:06:35.099 --> 01:06:36.000
media accounts.

1433
01:06:36.059 --> 01:06:40.320
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisrin, and the theme was composed

1434
01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:41.639
by Cameron Lamb.

1435
01:06:41.699 --> 01:06:46.079
This episode was recorded on the 26th of November 2024 and

1436
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:47.820
released on the 29th of November.

1437
01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:52.860
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Picard, absolute candour.

1438
01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:11.039
Oh, very good.

1439
01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:12.000
Interesting conversation.

1440
01:07:12.300 --> 01:07:13.559
Yeah, it's funny, isn't it?

1441
01:07:13.619 --> 01:07:16.079
Because like I reckon 2 is properly good.

1442
01:07:16.139 --> 01:07:20.099
Like as a proper through line, but one, they don't quite know what

1443
01:07:20.099 --> 01:07:22.679
they're doing and they're kind of going away, Game of Thrones, like

1444
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:25.559
we have different plots in different places and what are we going

1445
01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:25.800
to do?

1446
01:07:25.860 --> 01:07:27.659
And it does eventually hang together.

1447
01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:29.340
You know, like it does happen.

1448
01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:33.539
They go to the, you know, the, the thing she gets betrayed by

1449
01:07:33.539 --> 01:07:36.539
Harry Treadaway or whatever. like it's a whole thing.

1450
01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:38.340
Um, yeah.

1451
01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:38.940
Anyway.

1452
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:41.579
And I do think it ends really interestingly, you know, on that

1453
01:07:41.579 --> 01:07:44.579
planet, with the song planet, with all of the...

1454
01:07:44.579 --> 01:07:46.739
Oh, the song too far, I really liked.

1455
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:49.619
Yeah, and the production value on that last 2 power.

1456
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:50.579
I remember being great.

1457
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:52.559
Those flowers in space.

1458
01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:56.820
Oh, and plus, beautiful, what's his face?

1459
01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:02.519
Um, Christobel.

1460
01:08:02.820 --> 01:08:04.860
What's his last name?

1461
01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:08.099
Uh, Oh, Rios.

1462
01:08:08.099 --> 01:08:08.940
Hot guy.

1463
01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:09.599
Rios.

1464
01:08:09.659 --> 01:08:10.139
Yeah, that's right.

1465
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:10.920
Boy, yeah.

1466
01:08:11.340 --> 01:08:12.719
Yes.

1467
01:08:12.780 --> 01:08:14.460
Get rid of him was a mistake.

1468
01:08:14.579 --> 01:08:17.699
Yeah, but they do get ready to remember the end of series three.

1469
01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:18.960
See, I think season 2 is really good.

1470
01:08:19.020 --> 01:08:20.520
No, like season two.

1471
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:23.699
We want to bring back fucking Gates McFadden instead.

1472
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:26.159
I mean, where's the justice?

1473
01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:31.560
Except that because Star Trek, that Exteneration had such shitty

1474
01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:38.760
films, except for possibly one, um, Like it was nice to, you know

1475
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:41.579
now we get the chance to miss them and see them, it would be a bit

1476
01:08:41.579 --> 01:08:47.340
you know, like it's even longer between like 2023. you know

1477
01:08:47.340 --> 01:08:48.539
thinking how long it's been.

1478
01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:49.260
No more.

1479
01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:53.760
Okay, because now, you know, when you let a candle run for ages

1480
01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:55.380
and it melts and melts.

1481
01:08:55.380 --> 01:08:57.539
Like, those actors are melting, right?

1482
01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:01.800
No more now. they have reached the point where we've done, one

1483
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:03.539
we've done enough with them, you know.

1484
01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:07.439
I mean, I mean, really, what they realised was they had 7 entire

1485
01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:11.279
years of a TV show where they didn't do anything with them at

1486
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:11.520
all.

1487
01:09:11.579 --> 01:09:15.539
So for just one year, they went, well, let's just pretend these

1488
01:09:15.539 --> 01:09:16.680
are...

1489
01:09:16.739 --> 01:09:18.899
I'm so glad they did it.

1490
01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:20.159
It was so good.

1491
01:09:20.220 --> 01:09:21.359
It was so good.

1492
01:09:21.420 --> 01:09:23.399
It was lovely seeing them back.

1493
01:09:23.460 --> 01:09:26.100
But, you know, Paul Patrick.

1494
01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:26.939
It's poor voice.

1495
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:30.300
I mean, it's practically, you'll have a voice box soon, you know?

1496
01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:31.199
Like, come on now.

1497
01:09:31.260 --> 01:09:35.159
Yeah, no, he was entirely artificial after the end of series one

1498
01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:35.520
remember?

1499
01:09:35.579 --> 01:09:39.420
But you listen to, like, you know, I listen to Patrick Stewart on

1500
01:09:39.420 --> 01:09:43.260
interviews and that and I, I'm touch and go with or I think he's a

1501
01:09:43.260 --> 01:09:44.100
bit of a prick or not.

1502
01:09:44.579 --> 01:09:48.180
And when he goes on about, oh, no, I didn't want any of them

1503
01:09:48.180 --> 01:09:48.779
involved.

1504
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:52.500
I wanted to do it and be entirely original and this wasn't going

1505
01:09:52.500 --> 01:09:55.739
to be the next generation and I didn't want the old crew and all

1506
01:09:55.739 --> 01:09:56.039
of this.

1507
01:09:56.100 --> 01:09:58.739
I was like, well, oh, that's why nobody watched a show, mate.

1508
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:02.520
Everyone came back in series 3 when they got the crew back.

1509
01:10:03.180 --> 01:10:03.720
Yeah.

1510
01:10:03.779 --> 01:10:07.020
But I'm glad that they had done some stuff and tried some other

1511
01:10:07.020 --> 01:10:08.640
things before they did that.

1512
01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:13.920
And, you know, like cementing 7 as a member, prefer that of a

1513
01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:14.279
crew.

1514
01:10:14.340 --> 01:10:15.779
I prefer that of a crew.

1515
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:18.539
I'd rather have another crew.

1516
01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:18.899
Yeah.

1517
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:19.979
Yeah, it would be great.

1518
01:10:20.039 --> 01:10:21.180
And even Elner.

1519
01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:21.779
You know me.

1520
01:10:21.779 --> 01:10:22.800
Elnor.

1521
01:10:22.859 --> 01:10:25.680
I can take or leave in next generation.

1522
01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:29.460
But, you know, Rios, come on.

1523
01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:30.060
No, no.

1524
01:10:30.060 --> 01:10:31.439
I'm not just because he's hot.

1525
01:10:31.500 --> 01:10:32.699
He's just a great character.

1526
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:34.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1527
01:10:34.260 --> 01:10:35.640
You know, he's a hot pirate.

1528
01:10:35.699 --> 01:10:37.199
But pus also hot.

1529
01:10:37.260 --> 01:10:38.220
Yeah.

1530
01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:40.920
Yes.

1531
01:10:40.979 --> 01:10:42.420
Anyway, it's all fun.

1532
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:43.560
All fun.

1533
01:10:43.619 --> 01:10:44.220
All right.

1534
01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:45.659
It's 951.

1535
01:10:45.899 --> 01:10:48.539
You could use me slacking off Patrick Stewart there as our tag.

1536
01:10:48.659 --> 01:10:53.159
Yeah, well, I think he's probably not as good an actor as everyone

1537
01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:55.020
thinks too, for Christ's sake.

1538
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:58.619
Although go back and watch a nut singing emissary, where it goes

1539
01:10:58.619 --> 01:10:59.880
up against Savoury Brooks.

1540
01:11:01.020 --> 01:11:03.479
Have we met before, Commander?

1541
01:11:03.539 --> 01:11:06.779
Yes, we met in battle, at war 359?

1542
01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:10.260
Oh, this is awkward.

1543
01:11:10.319 --> 01:11:10.920
Awkward.

1544
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:13.619
Have a scene.

1545
01:11:13.979 --> 01:11:18.000
What I love is at the end of that, you know, once the station's

1546
01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:20.939
been moved and it's in front of the wormhole now, the centre of

1547
01:11:20.939 --> 01:11:22.619
commerce and exploration.

1548
01:11:22.619 --> 01:11:24.239
And Cisco, suddenly.

1549
01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:25.560
It's exciting new venue.

1550
01:11:25.619 --> 01:11:28.560
Yeah, they suddenly goes, oh, about getting a replacement for me.

1551
01:11:29.100 --> 01:11:31.680
Suddenly...

1552
01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:32.520
Oh, really?

1553
01:11:32.699 --> 01:11:34.319
Like it, yeah.

1554
01:11:34.380 --> 01:11:36.539
Suddenly bringing up my son in this environment.

1555
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:38.699
Actually seems like quite right.

1556
01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:39.060
Yeah.