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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, this week, we're back watching Star Trek Enterprise, and it's series 3, episode 18 Azati Prime.

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And this is obviously towards the end of the Zindi arc.

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It's a teleplay by Manny Koto, and it's based on a story by Berman Braga and Koto.

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And I think Kodo's fingerprints are all over it.

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I really thought that this was actually pretty good.

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And I'm not someone who likes this indie arc at all.

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I am absolutely not behind what they're doing in series 3 generally, but this was really properly enjoyable, I think.

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I think Coco has ambitions that far exceed what Birmingham Braga want to do with Star Trek Enterprise, and you can see the start of that here.

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Obviously, he takes the show in series 4 and takes it in brilliant and innovative of new directions.

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But what he does here is he takes hold of this arc, which, frankly, you know, I took a good look at the episodes spread across series three.

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Yeah.

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And it is the good, the bad, and the ugly, right?

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Every episode is tied into the Zindiak.

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So they're finally doing that thing of a whole season that is structured around an idea.

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But some of those episodes are so loosely connected to the, you know, there's a time travel episode, there's a archer gets turned into an alien episode.

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There's a, we're off into the future, doing a sort of children of time-esque episode.

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And they're all sort of somehow linked to the Zindi.

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But the batting average is inconsistent, let's say, across the season.

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But this is the point where it's all coherent.

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And I think you get a run of 3 episodes.

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Azati Prime Damage and the Forgotten, and they're 3 of the very best enterprise episodes, and it just happens to be the point where this whole arc is culminating.

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With lots of great twists, visual ambition, some real emotion in enterprise in a way that you actually feel something, which is unusual for this show.

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Yeah, it's really good stuff.

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However, I do have a couple of issues.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I said I want to get him out of the way because I kind of want to be positive about this because genuinely, I had chills come the end of the episode when the Enterprise is dead in space at the end of this episode.

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The hairs on my arms were up.

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I was like, well, this is the most unusual situation for enterprise and me, but here we are.

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So my 1st major issue is like DS9 does a war arc, yeah, and it's based around huge universal themes of xenophobia, you know, and things like that and things that they can write substantive dialogue about, yeah?

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And you absolutely understand because that's the same reason that wars were fought over in our world, yeah, in our time.

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Enterprise just uses some knockoff Voyager idea of, oh, the Zindi looked into the future and saw that perhaps there was going to be a conflict that they might lose and so contacted somebody to build a weapon, and none of it, it's just terrible science fiction ideas that carry no weight whatsoever.

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And you're like, well, okay, it's an exciting idea.

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But that's just a really shit motive as to why we're doing all of this.

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You know, it's so it's so half-assed and ambiguous.

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And I'm like, okay, so and this is the episode where you find out why this is all happening, you know. and it's supposed to be a revelation.

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And I was sort of just scratching my head going, is that it?

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Like, that's the reason they want to wipe out the earth.

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And of course, the earth isn't wiped out of their saying times malleable on the earth can be wiped out.

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But of course, we know they're not going to wipe out the earth because they're not going to delete an entire run of Star Trek that's happened until this point.

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So the whole thing is hanging on a lot of half baked ideas that you know are going to be reset at the end of the season.

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Yeah, I think the same thing about Archer's sacrificing this episode as well, which just can't possibly have the sort of dramatic weight that it wants to have, because we all know that it's not going to happen, because we're not at the point of the season where that sort of thing could ever happen.

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I'm really such a prick.

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We're all going, go on.

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Take the bomb.

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But what was the 2nd one?

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But the 2nd one is another DS9 comparison, which I can do because they're doing similar things here, you know?

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They're doing a big conflict, they're doing season-long arcs and all of this.

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Well, I started thinking, well, where was DS9 at this point?

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Season three, two-thirds in, uh, we did improbable cause and the dire cast. truly incredible DS9 2 parter, where they amass a Romulan fleet around the Dominion Planet, and they, you know, it all leads up to that fabulous moment where we get Admiral Akbar going, it's a trap, you know?

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And the Dominion come out and blow the Romulan fleet to buggery.

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And it features an interrogation scene like we get here, but that interrogation scene is between Odo and Garak, you know, that's Renault Erbichonois, and Andy Robinson, for fuck's sake, is some of the most intense material you've ever seen.

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And unfortunately, the comparison leaves this in the dust because the dialogue in that episode, the DS92 part, it means something.

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The dialogue in the interrogation scene.

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It's Odo.

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Garak saying, tell me something, I can give them.

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And Odo going, I want to go home and it means something for the rest of the series.

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There's an interrogation scene in this episode and it's Archer going, do you know what?

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We had some dinosaurs on earth, right?

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And they was all wiped out by a thing and you've just got brain the size of walnuts.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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I was like, oh, please.

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Like, the dialogue just has no substance to it.

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It has no way.

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It has no meaning.

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Like, the episode is really exciting.

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It does have a lot of visual ambition and it has momentum to it as well. like it builds and builds and builds to a point where it's very, very exciting.

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But you wipe away a lot of the surface gloss and what's underneath is quite empty.

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Yeah, I mean, particularly since it starts as if it's going to comment on 911 because of what happens at the end of series 2.

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So the big discovery that the reason 911 happened is because people from the future decided to trick someone, do you know what I mean?

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Like the whole space reason thing is so dumb.

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And there's no, like that's their jumping off point, but they come up with just something so stupid and so science fiction is the reason for it.

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And it didn't need to be.

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It didn't need to be.

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I mean, it is kind of a bit cool and seem like into the future and stuff.

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Like, like, if you're sort of feeling particularly sort of dumb and genre brained.

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Like, I think that's that's actually quite enjoyable and the big graphic of the Enterprise J and the revelation that there is India on board of the Enterprise J and...

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I just like Star Trek to carry a little bit of weight.

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If you're doing war and genocide, it should carry a little bit of weight, shouldn't it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So all of that is a bit dumb.

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And I think that, you know, I don't think the Burman and Braga have any sort of thought through political position on anything very much except for a kind of knee jerk, low level conservatism, really.

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And so...

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Do you think their sort of basis for this is, wouldn't it be cool if?

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Yeah, I think so.

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And turns out, yes, it would be cool if that happened.

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And certainly they'd run out of ideas.

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And there is a rebuke to that in this episode, I think.

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And it's, uh, we'll get there, but it's in um, Archer's farewell speech to the crew, which I think is actually a pretty good moment.

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So, look, I thought this was sort of dumb, but really, really enjoyable, much more enjoyable than a lot of enterprise.

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I mean, some side characters that we can play, never get anything to do.

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Get something to do in this episode. love that.

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No, gets agency and an opinion for the 1st time in the entire series.

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I just like, I know we've ratted on it, especially you, the sort of the makeup of the Zindi.

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I don't mean the makeup is in the latex.

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I mean, how it's structured and the different races and all that.

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But it's kind of a cool idea.

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You got insects and you've got underwater creatures and all of this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's a bit more exciting than just a load of latex, you know?

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Yeah.

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Although there is...

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Yeah, there is.

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They can't quite get out of a habit, can they?

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I've got to say as well, right?

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You was right.

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You sent me a message and got me very excited for one scene.

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And it's a good thing, actually, that DS9 and Voyager are no longer being made because I needed the entire stock of rocks for this episode.

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Yeah, when the Enterprise is just...

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I mean, there's so there's practically a quarry blowing through the Enterprise by the end of this.

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Even more in damage too, because it doesn't...

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Oh, damage, I think.

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It's really...

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Is that the one where it goes from bad to worse?

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Like the ship is literally falling apart by the end.

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It's really great And I don't, like, I haven't watched the rest of the season, and I'm assuming that we get that distressed enterprise model for the rest of the of the season, do we?

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They don't fix it so that it's pristine again. can't remember.

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All I remember about the end of the season.

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And it is, it's totally brainless, but it is really fun.

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It's Archer on the surface of that weapon. fighting Scott McDonald's indie character.

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It's absolutely absurd, but very enjoyable.

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I was like, they're just having, they're just having fun, you know.

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Yeah, yeah, brilliant.

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Thank God, because you remember series one?

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Yeah, yeah.

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But I mean, that's the big disappointment for me is that at this point they can't really make Star Trek anymore and so instead they just go for generic spaceship show in series 3.

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And so there's very little of what makes Star Trek Star Trek here.

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And because Manikoto's on board this week.

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He does do some things, I think, that attempt to kind of address that, which is kind of good and more than I expected.

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So, I don't know.

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This is fun enough, I think.

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But, you know, our favourite thing to talk about of all.

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They're just making better television than they were in series one.

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It is more exciting.

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It is more dynamic.

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It is more dramatically satisfying than what we, you know, there was nothing going on in series.

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Strange New World.

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It was just baseless, wasn't it?

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And I think the serialisation works really well.

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Like I came into this. aware of who Dagra was, but only vaguely and not having watched some of the episodes leading up to this, that it refers to, and that didn't matter at all.

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It still told a single story with the beginning, a middle, and an end.

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It ends in a cliffhanger, but it's a good episode of TV and watching it at the time in the context of all of the other episodes.

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It must have been really quite rewarding because I think there's stuff in here.

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They're paying it off, aren't they?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I think there's stuff in here that references episodes that might not have been that great in themselves, but they still build up to a pitch.

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And I guess, I guess my experience of that in enterprise is watching the beginning of series 4 and just being impressed with how it seemed to be telling a single story.

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You know, there were different things going on, but there were character arcs pushing everyone along a bit and giving it a sense of scale.

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And I think that this has that as well.

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Oh, definitely.

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Yeah, when that ship burst under the water and we suddenly saw this, yeah, basically primitive CGI of this huge base, still the scale of it really impressed me.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But I just mean the sort of scale generally of the storytelling too.

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I mean, do you think about deadlock, which has Voyager being nearly destroyed?

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Well, one Voyager is destroyed.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

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But how how weightless that is compared to what happens here because of the high concept. you know, and that's clever.

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And deadlock is a clever, well-made episode.

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I think it's you know, there's a really good twist in it.

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I think it works in it.

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Well, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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More cades.

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There's always a spare cake.

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But, you know, the destruction or the incredible damage to enterprising this is so good.

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It really is our enterprise, right?

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Yeah, the bit where stock insect man number 3 says, you know, well, we've got an entire fleet approaching your ship.

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All right, it's only 4 ships ultimately. exaggerating slightly, but 4's more than one, right?

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But they're going up against.

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It does mean something.

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Can I very quickly just talk about Degra?

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Because I think he is the NVP of this season and they basically they pour everything they've got into that character.

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They get a fine actor to play the role and he has a story arc that goes from somebody that, you know, he's that person, he's the Jetrail, just building a weapon because he's been told it's needed to realising the implications of it, to turning against the people that want the weapon, and then ultimately, in a brilliant moment, in a couple of episodes, I'm dying for turning against them.

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And it really does work very well indeed, and he's a good character.

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And it's the last comparison, I promise that I will make DS9 stay.

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And that is you look at the Dominion in DS9, yeah.

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Every one of those characters is a degra.

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The female shapeshifter, the any Gemadar that we meet, Wei Yun, the Cardassians they're collaborating with, they're all all of them have got the Degra effects, you know?

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They're all having that amount of effort, whereas the rest of the Zindy characters, who the fuck are these people?

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I couldn't tell you their names, let alone their personality.

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Scott McDonald.

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Scott McDonald, right?

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He was in Rocks and Shoals.

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Do you remember Scott McDonald in Rocks and Scholz playing the Jim Hadar?

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Do you know the one that we love?

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Tosk.

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Yeah, yeah, Tusk.

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He's played characters with a lot, but whereas here, as the insect man or whatever he is, I don't even know what race he is.

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No, he's a he's a reptilian.

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The insects are CG.

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I think.

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But he's just growling and snarling, isn't he?

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And yeah, yeah.

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He's a comic book.

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They're all really low rent characters, I think, which is a great shame.

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We'll talk about them when they turn up.

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Um, including the uh, beautiful Rick Worthy as a ape guy, which is just so super unfortunate.

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The really terrible makeup on the fellow with the sort, it sort of looks a bit like a low rate Tellerite, and I know it's not a Tellerite, but it's basically the same idea, just with cotton wool all over his face.

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Yeah, yeah, that's Rick Wirly.

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That's super upsetting.

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They've run out of money there, haven't they?

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No, he's a handsome man.

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Remember Janeway torturing him in equinox?

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guy.

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Oh, is he?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Terrible weight.

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Bless him.

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Oh, yeah.

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Good for him.

212
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You should never get a worse role when you come back, you know.

213
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But you always do when you come back to Enterprise.

214
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But they said to him, look, well, you can have you in a whole season.

215
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You get whole seasons worth of salary. this on your head.

216
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Get the cold war on your face. come on Well, I mean, there's lots to talk about.

217
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I think there is.

218
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I think there is.

219
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Let's watch it, do you think?

220
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Okay.

221
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Yeah.

222
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I mean, I feel as if I've been quite mean in that opening salvo, but that's just because I'm going to spend the episode going, 0 my god, look at that, you know.

223
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Yeah, yeah.

224
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I think that's that's very likely.

225
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All right.

226
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I will count us in then.

227
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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

228
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So this is called Azati Prime, but the words Azati Prime appear literally nowhere in dialogue or on the screen or anything like that.

229
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So I'm assuming as Aarti Prime is this planet.

230
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And apparently in an episode called Stratagem about 4 episodes ago, where Archer meets Degra in a kind of...

231
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Oh, that's a great episode.

232
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Have you seen that one?

233
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No, do you know who it's by?

234
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Who the story's by?

235
00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:23.400
No, tell me.

236
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Terry Masilis, who did Picard series 3.

237
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The premise on that one, they finish, they create a fake shuttle and the archer's playing another character.

238
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Oh, great.

239
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Yeah.

240
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Yeah, no, I read the thing.

241
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So that's where he's from because obviously Archer knows him.

242
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Archer recognises him from his warp signature somehow.

243
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I don't understand that, but okay, he recognises him from his warp signature, but Degra doesn't recognise Archer.

244
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Now look at this drink, right?

245
00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:56.819
So this is Dangra giving everyone a lovely drink.

246
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They're going to celebrate the completion of the new Zindy weapon.

247
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They're all excited that it can destroy an entire planet.

248
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But he's so fucking cheap that I can't see that he puts any alcohol into those glasses at all.

249
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You watch when they raise the glasses.

250
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There's nothing in them.

251
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Nothing.

252
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I mean, they are doing series 7 PS on everything.

253
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You see how they've got like the strategy graphics on the wall and then all the aliens standing in front of it.

254
00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:24.359
Just who are these people?

255
00:18:24.420 --> 00:18:26.880
Well, the hair. so dumb.

256
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Like the hair is just massively stupid.

257
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Yeah.

258
00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:31.559
All right.

259
00:18:31.619 --> 00:18:32.880
We're going through opening credits.

260
00:18:32.940 --> 00:18:36.359
But I do like Degra. will keep reinforcing that.

261
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Yeah.

262
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I think as a character, he works extremely.

263
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Oh, then a long time.

264
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Get it from there.

265
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You maybe would have changed the theme for this season, right?

266
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The war season.

267
00:18:47.940 --> 00:18:53.519
Yeah, yeah, because, I mean, this whole opening credits is about going out and exploring.

268
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Oh my god, I've got the, I've got the song.

269
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Are you ready?

270
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I'll sing it for you.

271
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Oh, my God.

272
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Well, it sort of ties into how you feel about this as well.

273
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I'm directly talking about the enterprise now as well.

274
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What's that coming over the hill?

275
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Is it a monster?

276
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Is it a monster?

277
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I could have done that instead.

278
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Would you very God?

279
00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:18.779
Yeah, no, absolutely under no circumstances.

280
00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:22.619
No, we love this dad song instead.

281
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

282
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It's so great.

283
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I do still listen to it every time though.

284
00:19:28.740 --> 00:19:33.839
No, I wish I had children, so I could embarrass them by singing it whenever I watched Enterprise.

285
00:19:33.900 --> 00:19:36.119
And you could do like a proper dad dance, couldn't you?

286
00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:36.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

287
00:19:36.900 --> 00:19:39.059
Swaying your ass about it, you know?

288
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When you come here, should we dance for this?

289
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You might live in room regularly.

290
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Yeah, for sure.

291
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That's a promise.

292
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A verbal promise.

293
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And we'll film it.

294
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It'll go off as untitled Star Trek extras.

295
00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:54.420
Look at that spaceship. isn't it awesome?

296
00:19:54.480 --> 00:20:05.099
So one of the things, too, that I really like about this is that it's set in a star system and there's a space, you know, it's not just we just turn up to a planet and we go round the planet.

297
00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:10.980
You know, like it's there's a planetoid, there's a couple of planets, there's the defence barrier.

298
00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:15.779
You know, like there's, we're in a place that has some kind of structure to it.

299
00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:17.519
You've given us some Thor.

300
00:20:17.579 --> 00:20:18.359
Yeah, yeah.

301
00:20:18.420 --> 00:20:19.259
I like that.

302
00:20:19.380 --> 00:20:27.779
Again, it's the sort of thing that you do in a film and you tend not to do in the TV show that where there are relationships between things.

303
00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:34.799
You know, normally it's just the enterprise circling around a planet and we go down to the planet and stuff, but this has some kind of structure, it seems to take place somewhere.

304
00:20:34.859 --> 00:20:45.720
I do agree, but I do wonder if perhaps the form should have been on the relationships between this indeed, rather than the structure of the setting that they're in.

305
00:20:45.779 --> 00:20:51.839
But that is, unfortunately, they could. prioritise one of them.

306
00:20:52.259 --> 00:21:00.839
I really want to say, I thought that the crew of Enterprise worked together well in this episode.

307
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They're there now.

308
00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:04.019
They're 3 seasons in.

309
00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:05.880
The actors are all relaxed together.

310
00:21:05.940 --> 00:21:09.420
They've got a big problem to solve, so you must be very happy, you know?

311
00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:10.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

312
00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:13.680
This huge weapon to bring down, which does look quite impressive that way.

313
00:21:13.740 --> 00:21:14.759
Yeah, yeah, it looks great.

314
00:21:14.819 --> 00:21:17.640
So we're in the shuttle.

315
00:21:18.420 --> 00:21:23.099
Insectoid channel, insectoid shuttle from last week.

316
00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:27.180
And so they've taken the opportunity to actually give Travis something to do.

317
00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:28.920
And if the stories, mate.

318
00:21:28.980 --> 00:21:30.839
Yeah, and...

319
00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:32.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

320
00:21:32.220 --> 00:21:34.319
And here's Hoshi having some lines.

321
00:21:34.380 --> 00:21:36.900
She has far fewer lines, but she's a woman.

322
00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:43.259
Although, I imagine, you know, because I usually just miss her during the action scenes.

323
00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:46.680
She said, look, you're blowing that bridge to shit at the end of the episode.

324
00:21:46.740 --> 00:21:48.059
I want to be there, all right?

325
00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:52.740
So watch out for her because she's hanging onto the console as a spa to flow away around.

326
00:21:52.740 --> 00:21:54.539
She's having a great time.

327
00:21:55.920 --> 00:22:00.539
I did think that Travis worked well in this episode.

328
00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:10.799
I thought the bit where he said, no, I should take the bomb in because I'm the only one that can pilot this shuttle because that's all I fucking do on this show. was a good moment for him.

329
00:22:10.859 --> 00:22:14.220
Like, it's not amazing, but he got a moment.

330
00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:15.240
Yeah, yeah.

331
00:22:15.299 --> 00:22:30.599
I actually thought the moment was where he gets what you would think would be Tucker's line where he his training archer and how to use the shuttle and he says, you're the least expendable man on the ship.

332
00:22:30.660 --> 00:22:31.920
Why are you going?

333
00:22:31.980 --> 00:22:34.799
And that conversation is really interesting.

334
00:22:34.859 --> 00:22:38.819
Look at that beautiful shot with just...

335
00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:39.599
Yeah, yeah.

336
00:22:39.660 --> 00:22:41.339
Imaginative CGI in this.

337
00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:43.380
And obviously, it isn't quite there yet.

338
00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:45.299
It's not current level CGI.

339
00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:45.960
That's all right.

340
00:22:46.019 --> 00:22:48.480
But they're really trying, aren't they?

341
00:22:48.539 --> 00:22:49.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

342
00:22:49.380 --> 00:22:56.519
Well, I think that this, this thing where, like, they're flying it really badly, and we get to see it through the viewscreen.

343
00:22:56.519 --> 00:23:07.140
And even when it bumps, and I did guffaw, even though it's a really low rent line, a low rent joke, but they smack into Enterprise, and he says, sorry.

344
00:23:07.140 --> 00:23:15.420
And, um, Arches is no problem with the bill, which I just, like, a super relaxed thing for him to say.

345
00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:16.319
I thought it was really good.

346
00:23:16.380 --> 00:23:19.980
You know, relax for long in this episode, so let's enjoy it, you know?

347
00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:21.960
He's so pretty, dressing.

348
00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:23.700
I know. starting to enjoy himself too.

349
00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:25.619
In fact, they're both pretty.

350
00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:27.960
That is a shuttle. would not mind being stuck on.

351
00:23:28.019 --> 00:23:29.099
Yep, yep.

352
00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:30.779
The 2 prettiest people on the ship.

353
00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:36.299
I also notice as well, I think they're lighting the bridge better than they did.

354
00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:40.200
In series one, it had a very flat sort of overhead lighting.

355
00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:43.740
They're lighting from various sources now.

356
00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:46.380
So it just feels like it's got a sense of depth to it.

357
00:23:46.500 --> 00:23:47.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

358
00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:50.880
I still don't like all the gray, but...

359
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.079
But I don't know.

360
00:23:52.140 --> 00:23:57.299
It is different and I think going different was the right thing to do, you know, I guess.

361
00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:06.119
Just feel like, I feel like they genuinely looked at the things that weren't working and they're trying to make, they're trying to rectify it.

362
00:24:06.180 --> 00:24:10.259
And I think, you know, we've seen 4 series 4 episodes, they get there.

363
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:11.819
Yeah, I think they do.

364
00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:13.380
Just in time to be careful.

365
00:24:13.380 --> 00:24:13.799
Too late.

366
00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:18.359
The axe has already fallen by that point, but never mind.

367
00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:20.460
Never mind.

368
00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:22.200
And so this is Hoshi's bitch.

369
00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:36.299
She's not actually here, but she's created the language model that allows them to communicate with the Zindi insectoids, who were the main thing last week, I think, in last week's episode, but don't appear here.

370
00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:41.279
They are the most truly terrible primitive CGI, right?

371
00:24:41.339 --> 00:24:43.980
They're trying to do, you know, are they in like?

372
00:24:43.980 --> 00:24:45.359
Species 8472.

373
00:24:45.539 --> 00:24:47.940
Uh, no, they're better than that.

374
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:49.740
You know that Pri Mantis.

375
00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:50.759
It was in that Buffy episode.

376
00:24:50.819 --> 00:24:52.259
They look a bit like that.

377
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:54.299
You know, the teacher, the supply teacher.

378
00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:55.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

379
00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:58.140
But a CGI version of that.

380
00:24:58.200 --> 00:24:59.279
And they can't quite do it.

381
00:24:59.339 --> 00:25:01.799
But they, again, they really are trying.

382
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:06.839
I admire them pushing the limits of what the special effects can do.

383
00:25:06.900 --> 00:25:08.759
Because they could just be doing latex.

384
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:10.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

385
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:12.660
And they mostly are, but occasionally they're not.

386
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:13.859
The 2 of them are.

387
00:25:13.980 --> 00:25:17.279
You only see them in long shot in this episode when they go under the water.

388
00:25:17.339 --> 00:25:22.019
But the turtles, when they talk during the scenes where they're all, you know, on their political.

389
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:23.880
They just go, woo.

390
00:25:25.500 --> 00:25:28.799
So I like this bit a lot, right?

391
00:25:28.859 --> 00:25:40.980
And they, they don't oversell it, but it's definitely a moment and it is, you know, like he makes a choice that he couldn't possibly make normally.

392
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:51.480
And look, he turns his back to the camera in order to make the decision and then he makes the decision that he has to kill the 3 people on board that...

393
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:53.819
I didn't wonder how you would think about this. you know.

394
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.160
Yeah, I mean, and she's right.

395
00:25:56.220 --> 00:25:58.500
She's right to call him out on it.

396
00:25:58.559 --> 00:25:59.700
Do you know what I mean?

397
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:07.859
But, and it is a line that they're crossing and I think that, you know, there's no way that the crew of discovery would do that in a 1000000 years.

398
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:08.759
Do you know what I mean?

399
00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:10.380
They would find some other way of doing it.

400
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:15.359
Um, but, because this is all made up and they don't have to do it if they, do you know what I mean?

401
00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:16.680
If the writers don't want them to.

402
00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:18.299
So they're choosing to do it.

403
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:24.420
But one of the reasons why he decides to go on the mission later and it doesn't quite work.

404
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:26.759
It's some dialogue that's not quite there.

405
00:26:26.819 --> 00:26:34.200
One of the reasons is that he says, I don't want to order anyone else's death today, and I'll do it.

406
00:26:34.259 --> 00:26:35.279
I'll go and do it.

407
00:26:35.339 --> 00:26:48.599
And, you know, like, I thought that that was, that, that made his decision to go more interesting, because otherwise it's just that usual Star Trek thing that you hate where everyone's falling all over each other to sacrifice their lives.

408
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.559
Yeah, no one steps over the line and goes, nah, for me.

409
00:26:52.619 --> 00:26:54.119
Actually, I don't I'm not going to do that.

410
00:26:54.180 --> 00:27:02.759
You know, I like to think, though, if sort of Voyager was in a situation, Janeway would be there going, well, I'm not going.

411
00:27:02.819 --> 00:27:04.259
Have you seen how valuable I am?

412
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:06.000
Ensign Jonas.

413
00:27:06.059 --> 00:27:07.140
Get in the shuttle.

414
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:07.559
Come on.

415
00:27:07.619 --> 00:27:08.819
There'd be a spare.

416
00:27:08.819 --> 00:27:09.420
No one likes you.

417
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:11.160
Oh my god, look at this.

418
00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:12.839
Yeah, so this is great.

419
00:27:12.900 --> 00:27:15.240
The shuttle looks great going down into the water.

420
00:27:15.299 --> 00:27:17.400
It's got a bit that moves on it. looks really cool.

421
00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:19.380
They've had a bit of practice with this, though.

422
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:23.819
I don't know if you remember the episode where Tom Paris went down to the ocean planet in Voyager.

423
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.880
So they've had a bit of practice going underwater.

424
00:27:26.940 --> 00:27:27.960
Right, okay.

425
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:31.019
I mean, this looks pretty good.

426
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:34.859
The rocks are pretty terrible. cartoony, aren't they?

427
00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:35.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

428
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:42.420
But, you know, like it's something I'm constantly complaining about how boring 90s Star Trek looks and that's great.

429
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:47.880
The big spherical weapon, which is basically like a huge, you know, that ball sphere.

430
00:27:47.940 --> 00:27:49.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

431
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:50.460
It is imposing.

432
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:52.559
And, you know, when it's activated.

433
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:59.819
It's got it's got 2 lattice webs around the outside and they go in opposing directions. direction.

434
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:01.319
It looks incredible.

435
00:28:01.380 --> 00:28:02.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah. really good.

436
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.440
Look, there you go.

437
00:28:04.500 --> 00:28:05.940
There's some of the aquatic creatures.

438
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:06.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

439
00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:07.140
Yeah.

440
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.059
So they're called Zindiaquatics, I think.

441
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:11.039
Actually, does CGI better than I thought, actually.

442
00:28:11.099 --> 00:28:12.539
Yeah, yeah, I don't think it's bad.

443
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:18.359
I mean, doing the, you know, like doing that object, which they already have a model for, I think it looks really good.

444
00:28:18.420 --> 00:28:23.099
It's just like, it's just ticking boxes or things I usually complain about.

445
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:25.259
Hoshi and Travis getting things to do.

446
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:28.920
The visuals are more exciting and dynamic than usual.

447
00:28:28.980 --> 00:28:31.740
They're just addressing a lot of my...

448
00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:34.019
And now we cross fade and they're already back on board.

449
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:35.880
I like that.

450
00:28:35.940 --> 00:28:36.839
Did he?

451
00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:39.420
Yeah, because I just thought the narrative's moving.

452
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:43.380
We're not going to see the whole sequence in reverse as the ship comes out.

453
00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:48.779
I thought, yeah, that's it. get it moving There we go.

454
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:53.279
Initial yield, photonic torpedoes, blah, blah, blah.

455
00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:54.240
Techno battle time.

456
00:28:54.299 --> 00:28:59.519
Well, it's not really techno battle. like we need to take a big explosion down there to blow up the thing.

457
00:28:59.579 --> 00:29:01.200
Like, that's not too technical, I think.

458
00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:08.940
I do, actually, the free line of it being a massive bomb that they're going to send to destroy the entire earth, right?

459
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:13.740
It is the most brainless, simple premise you could possibly hang a series of Star Trek on.

460
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:16.440
But it is very exciting.

461
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:23.220
Yeah, when the bomb goes and is heading towards Earth in the last episode, it's really exciting.

462
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:25.680
But, I mean, we do have that.

463
00:29:25.740 --> 00:29:26.700
Do you know what I mean?

464
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:31.380
Like, we do have that in other seasons of Star Trek in a way that doesn't require them to abandon the premise.

465
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:32.039
Do you know what I mean?

466
00:29:32.099 --> 00:29:34.200
Like the DMA is heading for Vulcan or whatever.

467
00:29:34.259 --> 00:29:40.740
And, you know, Viga's heading for Earth and the whale thing is heading sucking up the oceans on Earth and stuff.

468
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:44.160
Any sort of complaints that maybe Star Trek has dumbed down a little bit.

469
00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:46.799
You know, here we're doing a bomb to stop a bomb.

470
00:29:46.859 --> 00:29:48.180
Yeah, big bomb.

471
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:49.680
There may be some weight in the argument.

472
00:29:49.740 --> 00:29:50.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

473
00:29:50.940 --> 00:29:51.299
Yeah.

474
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:53.880
Now, can we talk about, please?

475
00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:57.359
Because she's undergoing this dreadful?

476
00:29:57.420 --> 00:29:58.079
Oh no, hang on.

477
00:29:58.140 --> 00:29:59.579
We're in this scene.

478
00:29:59.579 --> 00:30:05.519
We're now going to do season exposition for why the war is actually occurring.

479
00:30:05.579 --> 00:30:06.720
Yeah, yeah.

480
00:30:06.779 --> 00:30:11.700
So I hadn't realised, but this is where we find out the actual thing.

481
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:16.380
So we find out the Delphic expanse is caused by the spheres.

482
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:30.119
We knew they were a feature of the Delphic expanse, but it's actually creating it, and it's creating it so the sphere builders can live there, and 400 years in the future, the sphere builders are going to try and do it to like basically everywhere.

483
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:40.380
And the Federation, which by now includes the Klingons, apparently in dialogue, which is new, and some Zindi, are going to find it back.

484
00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:43.859
And so they've been duped.

485
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:47.700
I've got to say that I wasn't convinced by any of it.

486
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:55.200
Um, and I, you know, as I said at the start of the episode, I was baffled that they hung an entire season on this dreadful premise.

487
00:30:55.259 --> 00:30:58.740
But the thing that truly distracted me during this scene.

488
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:01.019
Was that appalling costume that Daniels is weird?

489
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:02.400
Yeah, it's really strange, isn't it?

490
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:04.799
I know.

491
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.039
It's sort of like a Poundland ball costume.

492
00:31:08.099 --> 00:31:09.119
It is very strange.

493
00:31:09.180 --> 00:31:13.859
I do like that corridor, though, in the big window and what we see going in out the window.

494
00:31:13.980 --> 00:31:14.460
It looks really great.

495
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.059
It's all random ships firing on each other in the distance.

496
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:19.140
Yeah, like that looks pretty great.

497
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:25.859
And it has a sort of slight DS9 sort of vibe to it, you know, like that dark coloured walls and stuff.

498
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:27.539
Yeah, I think that looks...

499
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:31.019
They're basically doing an exposition scene, but they're saying no.

500
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:33.539
We don't want to lose the momentum in the episode.

501
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:36.180
Keep it excited. to make sure it happens.

502
00:31:36.180 --> 00:31:38.279
Blowing up, yeah, outside the window.

503
00:31:38.339 --> 00:31:45.240
Yeah, just take him to a lecture theatre and play most PowerPoint presentation about the Battle of Proce on 5 or whatever.

504
00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:47.519
He has to take you into the middle of it.

505
00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:52.319
But you know, Daniels is like the antithesis of Degra.

506
00:31:52.380 --> 00:32:08.220
He is this irritatingly ambiguous character from the future that pops up all the time to go, oh, my God, turn left instead of riot, you know, the huge consequences for the timeline, and we never get to know him.

507
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:15.480
He's never, he's never a relevant character within the series and we, they just keep coming back to him.

508
00:32:15.539 --> 00:32:16.079
Stop it.

509
00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:16.799
He's very boring.

510
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:18.299
Do you know who he is?

511
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.880
Oh, God, go on.

512
00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:25.859
No, Discovery, the final episode of Discovery, you find out who Daniels is.

513
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:27.539
Oh, who is he?

514
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.119
Uh, it's um, Kovic.

515
00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:31.980
It's, um, who?

516
00:32:31.980 --> 00:32:34.980
David Crowdenberg's character with the big glasses.

517
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.319
It's not.

518
00:32:37.380 --> 00:32:37.920
Yep.

519
00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:40.380
Oh my god.

520
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:46.259
I mean, God bless Coachman for trying to salvage this bullshit.

521
00:32:46.619 --> 00:32:51.420
It still doesn't make anything they do with Daniel's relevant.

522
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.039
That's kind of cute.

523
00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:55.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a thing.

524
00:32:55.500 --> 00:32:59.099
It's kind of we still love enterprise, even though it's not very good.

525
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:01.799
The whole temporal cold warping.

526
00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:03.779
It was just so ill charged.

527
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.000
And, well, and so we all defined as well.

528
00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:09.299
But look at what's set up by that scene.

529
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.539
It's not just the Sphere Builders thing.

530
00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:26.940
It's that he has a choice, which is to just continue to try and blow up the weapon, or to stop this the way that Starfleet and the Federation should stop it, which is trying to negotiate.

531
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:31.140
And he fails, he comes too late to blow it up.

532
00:33:31.140 --> 00:33:40.259
And in fact, what we see happen in this episode is the seed sown towards an eventual kind of agreement.

533
00:33:40.259 --> 00:33:42.059
And he loved all of that.

534
00:33:42.059 --> 00:33:43.740
Amusing persuasion.

535
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:44.519
The...

536
00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:50.940
The sequences where Archer gets to talk to Degra and the others and he and they're like, well, you haven't convinced us.

537
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.079
How are you going to convince them?

538
00:33:52.140 --> 00:33:54.180
And he goes, no, but I've got your attention.

539
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.480
Yeah, I was like, this is, yes, please, more of this.

540
00:33:57.539 --> 00:33:58.500
Yeah, yeah.

541
00:33:58.559 --> 00:33:59.220
It's really good.

542
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:00.599
It's precisely what should happen.

543
00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:01.859
I love this.

544
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:06.119
I love this line where she just blurts out.

545
00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:07.200
I don't want you to die.

546
00:34:07.259 --> 00:34:09.480
And she does it in this emotional way.

547
00:34:09.539 --> 00:34:12.599
And then she backs down with it's not necessary.

548
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:14.820
And he says I wish that was true.

549
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.539
How far they've come from that 1st season.

550
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:26.159
But that is introducing the trillium addiction thing that he has she has going as well.

551
00:34:26.219 --> 00:34:30.179
But it's not explicit here, but it's leading into it for next episode.

552
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:43.320
It's kind of annoying because I appreciate that they're giving Jolene Baylock like emotional scenes to do, although there's a bit at the end of this episode where I wish he dialled it down a bit.

553
00:34:43.380 --> 00:34:44.219
I don't know.

554
00:34:44.340 --> 00:34:45.599
Jesus Christ.

555
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:46.800
It is Meladron.

556
00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:48.119
I said, cut off me.

557
00:34:48.179 --> 00:34:49.920
She goes off like, doesn't she?

558
00:34:49.980 --> 00:34:52.380
Yeah, it's not all that convincing.

559
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:58.559
But, um, you know, I quite like addiction storylines anyway. and to put a Vulcan in that situation.

560
00:34:58.619 --> 00:35:00.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really interesting.

561
00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:06.239
But I just like the fact that she genuinely feels for these people.

562
00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:12.059
It's a long running character storyline where she came on the ship, all arrogance.

563
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:16.619
And then by the end of the 1st series realises, no, I don't want to go back to Vulcan.

564
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:17.579
I want to stay on this ship.

565
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:18.119
I'm learning.

566
00:35:18.179 --> 00:35:23.579
Then she has relationships with people and now she's devastated at the thought of losing people.

567
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:24.900
Yeah, yeah.

568
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:25.860
And I think she's good.

569
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.139
And I think giving her some acting to do is really great.

570
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:29.099
I think it's really good.

571
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:33.360
If only they'd given Hoshi the same sort of limelight, you know?

572
00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:36.059
Because she's great as well, Linda Park.

573
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:39.360
Do you not remember her in that mirror universe episode?

574
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.159
Oh yeah, she was magnificent.

575
00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:42.840
Just superb.

576
00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:44.940
She should have just been that character throughout.

577
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.539
See, this scene is very on the nose.

578
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:59.340
It is the usual Star Trek thing of just everyone blurting out their feelings, but you've got 2 decent actors there, even though poor Rick Worthy's covered in that stupid mask. very unpleasant.

579
00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:00.900
Like every time...

580
00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:08.219
Every single day, he does 20 odd episodes of this season and he has to have that web in all over his...

581
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:08.880
It's so pretty.

582
00:36:08.940 --> 00:36:10.679
Like, he's such an attractive man.

583
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:12.059
And look at...

584
00:36:12.059 --> 00:36:16.019
I never understand it when they make pretty people ugly on television, you know?

585
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:19.920
You mean when Doctor Who made that pretty man from Desperate Housewives into a peak?

586
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:21.420
Yeah, that was awesome.

587
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.099
Yeah, even like Deadline.

588
00:36:26.099 --> 00:36:27.840
That was a bit static, though, wasn't it?

589
00:36:27.900 --> 00:36:28.739
Yeah, 2 of them.

590
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:29.940
The camera barely moved.

591
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:36.119
But that line where, you know, remember it for our children or something and he says, yes, but I wonder how they'll remember us.

592
00:36:36.179 --> 00:36:46.619
I thought that was pretty good too Yeah, so this is the scene that I quite liked where Archer explains why he's doing it.

593
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:56.099
And the reason I don't think it lands is because it reaches back to a previous episode, which I think is called similitude, where...

594
00:36:56.099 --> 00:36:57.900
A really interesting episode of similitude.

595
00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:58.199
Yeah.

596
00:36:58.260 --> 00:37:01.079
He talks about the other Travis that they have made.

597
00:37:01.139 --> 00:37:03.360
It's another traversies, eh?

598
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:10.619
another Travis, a clone of Travis, yeah, and basically, he's got a short span life and he, as usual, the tubing star.

599
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:11.940
And Travis doesn't know about it.

600
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:13.320
So, but yeah.

601
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:15.599
So he's telling Travis.

602
00:37:15.659 --> 00:37:19.320
So he's killed at Travis and he's told Travis.

603
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:20.699
What am I talking about, Tucker, isn't it?

604
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:21.420
It's Tucker.

605
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:21.840
Yeah, yeah.

606
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:23.219
I'm getting their names.

607
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:28.260
I didn't think they would have an episode about Travis dying in this show. grief, no.

608
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:32.519
Although, I do wonder, you know, because he gets, you know, 5 or 6 scenes in this episode.

609
00:37:32.579 --> 00:37:39.179
If Anthony Montgomery wallpapered his toilet with his script or something, just to remind him of a time that he'd been in the show.

610
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:44.760
So again, I never believe the relationship between Scott Bacula and the dog.

611
00:37:44.820 --> 00:37:47.400
And the dog, he just shows no interest in the dog.

612
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.039
Like, he's saying, like, forever.

613
00:37:50.099 --> 00:37:51.360
Yeah, yeah.

614
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.039
Before we started this call, right?

615
00:37:53.099 --> 00:38:00.239
Nathan picked up one of his most adorable doggies and cuddled him and the way they were nestling into each other, it melted my heart.

616
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:03.119
The way you just touched that dog's head.

617
00:38:03.179 --> 00:38:03.840
Yeah, his face.

618
00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:04.860
It's very strange.

619
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:09.659
And then, like, the dog, the dog clearly has never met Scott back in number four, because he's not looking at him once.

620
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:11.699
Yeah, no, not interested.

621
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:13.079
Oh, here we go.

622
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:20.219
This is this has got to be Manikoto, because this is the scene where he says, remember when this was 1st launched?

623
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.159
And remember why we launched this ship.

624
00:38:23.219 --> 00:38:27.599
We were explorers then and we should be explorers again one day.

625
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:28.980
It's our point worth making.

626
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:30.119
Yeah. yep.

627
00:38:30.179 --> 00:38:31.019
Yeah.

628
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:34.380
And I think, you know, we need to hear it.

629
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.800
I think I want you to get back to that job when this is all I want.

630
00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:44.579
That's all great, but the emotional resonance of him going off to sacrifice himself is just so it's not there, is it?

631
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:46.739
We know he's not going to die.

632
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:47.340
Yeah.

633
00:38:47.340 --> 00:38:50.159
Oh, no, I'm going to make another comparison.

634
00:38:50.219 --> 00:38:54.599
I'm so sorry Do you remember Cisco leaving at the end of 5 when the Dominion takeover the station?

635
00:38:54.659 --> 00:38:58.800
And he says to everybody on the promenade, I will be back here where I belong.

636
00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:00.239
Just wait.

637
00:39:00.300 --> 00:39:01.980
And it really means something.

638
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:07.079
The whole premise of the show is under threat and he's going and it moves you.

639
00:39:07.139 --> 00:39:10.559
Whereas this is like, well we know he's going to be in next week's episode.

640
00:39:10.619 --> 00:39:11.400
Why we doing this?

641
00:39:11.460 --> 00:39:13.800
Yeah, yeah, it is stupid, isn't it?

642
00:39:13.860 --> 00:39:14.880
Like, it is stupid.

643
00:39:14.940 --> 00:39:19.559
We can't believe it for a 2nd because we know how TV works.

644
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:23.039
Now, if that had been Ensign Jonas, given that speech, going.

645
00:39:23.099 --> 00:39:23.940
Hello, everybody.

646
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:28.980
I know I'm brilliant with a call spanner, but do your best and be explorers again.

647
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.199
We might have felt something because who cares about that guy?

648
00:39:31.260 --> 00:39:32.159
Yeah, that's right.

649
00:39:32.219 --> 00:39:32.760
He'll be dead.

650
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.159
Here we go now.

651
00:39:35.219 --> 00:39:37.199
He's off on the mission towards that star.

652
00:39:37.260 --> 00:39:40.139
Yeah, see, space, a sense of space.

653
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:43.199
Um, So what?

654
00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:48.539
Oh, so now we've got the scene where she leaves where she leaves the bridge, right?

655
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.480
Because she can't kind of stay here and watch what's going on.

656
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:53.159
Yeah.

657
00:39:53.219 --> 00:39:56.039
She crumples against the wall when tears.

658
00:39:56.099 --> 00:39:58.380
The tears thing, I think, works really well.

659
00:39:58.440 --> 00:39:59.460
She doesn't ever play it.

660
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:00.960
It's just one tier.

661
00:40:01.019 --> 00:40:02.039
It's quite sweet actually.

662
00:40:02.099 --> 00:40:02.820
Yeah.

663
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:12.420
And it kind of works because it could just plausibly be her feeling something about Archer.

664
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:13.800
It should be.

665
00:40:13.860 --> 00:40:14.400
It should.

666
00:40:14.460 --> 00:40:15.420
I think it should.

667
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:20.039
And I think, like, let, you know, we get this episode to just think that maybe that's it.

668
00:40:20.099 --> 00:40:23.699
And it's not that she's possessed or anything like that.

669
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:24.900
These are her emotions.

670
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:27.659
She just doesn't have the controller she would normally have.

671
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:31.980
And this pays off something that where he's holding that lever.

672
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:34.739
I love this shot.

673
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.260
Look at that. except the foam is absolute shit.

674
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.139
But flying across the ocean always looks really good.

675
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:41.519
Like, I think that's amazing.

676
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:43.320
Big splash.

677
00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:44.219
We do like a big splash.

678
00:40:44.340 --> 00:40:52.800
The big splash was very computer generation, you know, that close-up on Jolene Blaylock there with the tier would be the best close-ups you get in the whole episode.

679
00:40:52.860 --> 00:40:56.940
But the way the camera goes in on her, at the end, close up at the end.

680
00:40:56.940 --> 00:40:59.639
And her whole face just goes, oh, we're fucked.

681
00:41:01.500 --> 00:41:04.739
It's the best close up in Enterprise ever.

682
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:07.559
Oh dear.

683
00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:11.039
And you know I've got a bit of a thing about ceilings, or just you wait.

684
00:41:11.099 --> 00:41:12.360
There's a great twist coming.

685
00:41:12.420 --> 00:41:13.260
In the episode.

686
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:14.579
Yeah, yeah.

687
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:19.380
And it will turn up again in the following episode, the ceiling.

688
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.059
So we'll point it out when it happens.

689
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.280
I would like to say that.

690
00:41:23.340 --> 00:41:27.179
I know you said something nice about the ship earlier.

691
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.179
Yeah, it looks a bit like a manta ray or something like that, you know.

692
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:35.639
Um, they're just not, think of the Gemadar ships, yeah.

693
00:41:35.699 --> 00:41:37.260
Think of the Klingon ships.

694
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.539
They're just so striking.

695
00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:42.239
And I do think they're all right.

696
00:41:42.300 --> 00:41:43.079
The ships in this.

697
00:41:43.139 --> 00:41:46.380
The 4 ships that surround Enterprise at the end are so bog standard.

698
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:54.179
Well, but I think that they're sort of excitingly sort of curvy and stuff, you know, they're not the usual just sort of angles and things.

699
00:41:54.239 --> 00:42:00.659
I think, you know, we had 7 years to get used to what all of those ships look like and often longer.

700
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:06.059
I think these are still interesting ship designs, but we just don't see them very much.

701
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:06.960
That's all.

702
00:42:07.019 --> 00:42:11.940
I just think it like a ship should be really striking in silhouette.

703
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:13.860
And some of these are and some of them aren't.

704
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:20.639
Because I thought that that opening shot with that sort of strange copper ship with the purple lights on it looked amazing.

705
00:42:21.059 --> 00:42:29.820
Like the only sort of in the final battle, the only reason I was figuring that they were winning was because it was 4 against one, not because they were superior ships.

706
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:31.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

707
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:40.139
Oh, I really, really love chemistry between Connor Trinier and Jolene Blaylock because, and throughout this season, right?

708
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:44.639
He's he's been suffering from muscle atrophy or something.

709
00:42:44.699 --> 00:42:45.900
I can't remember what's going on at all.

710
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:49.079
Anyway, there's loads of scenes where she has to give him massages, okay?

711
00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:49.920
Yeah.

712
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.320
In sort of candle lights and all of this.

713
00:42:52.380 --> 00:42:55.320
She's going, ah, I've got Conor Trinier coming to my quarter.

714
00:42:55.380 --> 00:42:57.420
I'm going to shush it up a bit.

715
00:42:57.480 --> 00:42:59.460
And they're getting closer to each other.

716
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:06.780
But they are genuinely sensual scenes in a way that the decontamination chamber is just right.

717
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:07.619
Yeah, yeah.

718
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:10.320
And I don't know, I'll just buy it.

719
00:43:10.380 --> 00:43:11.340
I buy the relationship.

720
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:18.599
I buy the chemistry and, you know, it makes that decision in the last episode to just bump him off for no reason.

721
00:43:18.659 --> 00:43:23.880
More annoying, you know, and to lose the kid and all that bullshit they do at the age.

722
00:43:23.940 --> 00:43:24.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

723
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:46.860
Well, it's funny the, um, like that scene there works really well because she's suffering from, uh, a lack of emotional control and because he's getting to her because he's being kind to her and showing her sympathy and stuff and threatening to kind of break down those barriers, she just orders him out of the room because she can't kind of take it.

724
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:48.780
And that's not stated or anything.

725
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:51.659
It's just subtext for change, but it's clear what's going on.

726
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:55.139
So this is this horrible torture scene that you said was so boring.

727
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:56.639
It's just terrible.

728
00:43:56.699 --> 00:43:59.280
The dialogue is really half-assed.

729
00:43:59.340 --> 00:44:00.780
I like how it's shot.

730
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:03.659
The lighting is nice and I like the fact that there's so much blood all over his face.

731
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:05.219
Like you've been brutalised.

732
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:09.659
They're looking at a low angle shot there with a dramatic light from above.

733
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:13.079
No, no, but it's a bit more interesting than point and shoot.

734
00:44:13.139 --> 00:44:14.400
Back to next gen.

735
00:44:14.460 --> 00:44:16.019
Yeah, yeah.

736
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:19.260
But it's just so the dialogue is so lazy.

737
00:44:19.380 --> 00:44:20.940
It really is.

738
00:44:21.179 --> 00:44:22.980
And it is like, what's he trying to do?

739
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.860
Like, what is Archer trying to do?

740
00:44:26.579 --> 00:44:29.280
You know, is he trying to occupy?

741
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:30.239
Like, what's his?

742
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:31.440
I think he wants him to kill him, doesn't he?

743
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:32.940
You're trying to make me kill you.

744
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:34.019
Like why, though?

745
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:42.900
He wants them to kill him. because he doesn't want to go back to Enterprise because he'll be embarrassed because he made such a fuss.

746
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:48.599
And it's just like, oh, you remember how much of a captain would kill himself again, but then he ended up. series one and two.

747
00:44:48.659 --> 00:44:49.980
Remember how angry we got with him.

748
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:55.380
Maybe like, this is all just like, this is satisfying for us because finally it's getting pummelling, you know?

749
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:56.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

750
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:57.059
I don't know.

751
00:44:57.300 --> 00:44:59.099
I do not know.

752
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.219
All I know is Paul Scott McDonald is better than this dialogue.

753
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:04.679
Yeah, yeah, it is terrible, isn't it?

754
00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:11.940
Some evolved into snakes, alligators, turtles, but they all had brains the size of walnut. or something.

755
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:13.079
Is that a thing?

756
00:45:13.139 --> 00:45:15.960
I don't think that that's exactly how it works either.

757
00:45:16.019 --> 00:45:22.980
I think that um, I don't think that dinosaurs evolved into crocodiles and things at all.

758
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.679
I'm not stupid lying about turtle soup.

759
00:45:25.739 --> 00:45:27.239
Yeah, yeah, what are you doing?

760
00:45:27.300 --> 00:45:28.619
tasting like we ate turtles.

761
00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:33.599
They can put as much blood on his face as they want, yeah.

762
00:45:33.659 --> 00:45:37.260
Nothing will be as horrific as Scabby Odo in that torch.

763
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:39.480
That was horrific.

764
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:45.900
Well, part of the thing too is that he doesn't he doesn't act like his face is tender.

765
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:46.679
Do you know what I mean?

766
00:45:46.739 --> 00:45:50.460
Like, it hurts to move it. do like his hands.

767
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:54.480
No, look at the massive gloves that he's wearing.

768
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.119
But they look like crocodile hands.

769
00:45:57.179 --> 00:45:59.219
Like we, I've eaten crocodile.

770
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:00.780
And I remember...

771
00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:01.260
How was it?

772
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:02.280
Yeah, it's all right.

773
00:46:02.340 --> 00:46:02.940
Tast like chicken.

774
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:05.460
No, no.

775
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:08.340
It's a bit fishy and a bit like chicken.

776
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:18.059
But the crocodile that we bought, like the arms were skin, but the hands were kind of intact and they looked heaps like those hands, like super gross.

777
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:19.860
Like horrible human hands.

778
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:21.420
The meals you eat, Nathan.

779
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:22.559
I know.

780
00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:25.920
I'll stick to my Walton's bread and cheese, thanks.

781
00:46:26.699 --> 00:46:28.260
Yum.

782
00:46:28.860 --> 00:46:31.199
You don't like cheese on toast?

783
00:46:31.260 --> 00:46:32.099
No, I do.

784
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.320
It's one of the great glories of being human, I think.

785
00:46:34.380 --> 00:46:35.400
It's great.

786
00:46:35.460 --> 00:46:38.159
Look, this scene is still going on.

787
00:46:38.219 --> 00:46:43.320
No, and it is super boring because I don't know what anyone wants or what's going on.

788
00:46:43.380 --> 00:46:44.039
Do you know what I mean?

789
00:46:44.099 --> 00:46:48.360
Yes, seeing your precious captain, the head of the entire show being tortured.

790
00:46:48.420 --> 00:46:49.679
It should be riveting.

791
00:46:49.739 --> 00:46:50.699
Yeah, yeah.

792
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:51.360
Yeah.

793
00:46:51.420 --> 00:46:55.800
But I don't know why it's happening or what...

794
00:46:55.860 --> 00:46:58.320
No, because she's an idiot would be upsetting.

795
00:46:58.380 --> 00:46:59.699
Oh that's true.

796
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.500
Plus, she's too clever for that, you know.

797
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:02.579
Yeah, that's right.

798
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:07.619
So have you noticed the extra nostrils that all those indies have just under their noses?

799
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:13.739
Like no matter what, they're making up for those animated people that add no noses.

800
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:14.519
They've got two.

801
00:47:14.579 --> 00:47:15.420
Yeah, yeah.

802
00:47:15.420 --> 00:47:24.119
So, uh, boreals and reptilians and humans all have these extra nostrils just to the left of just outside their eyes.

803
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:30.059
I like to think there's sort of a chart on the wall because obviously they've got to invent all these aliens, yeah.

804
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:37.199
And so there's, you know, there's different layers for the chart. nose ears, mouths, things like this.

805
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:37.920
Things of dice.

806
00:47:37.980 --> 00:47:40.559
Like they throw...

807
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:44.159
They throw 2 dice for a number of additional nostrils.

808
00:47:44.219 --> 00:47:46.380
I've thrown one dice.

809
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:47.280
Okay, mouth.

810
00:47:47.340 --> 00:47:49.079
I've thrown another three.

811
00:47:49.139 --> 00:47:50.760
Three mouths on this one please.

812
00:47:50.820 --> 00:47:52.199
Yeah, yeah.

813
00:47:52.260 --> 00:47:53.579
Yeah. that's how that works.

814
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:55.320
Oh, God, oh, my.

815
00:47:55.860 --> 00:47:58.860
Thank God they went to CGI then, eh?

816
00:47:58.920 --> 00:47:59.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

817
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:00.599
That's right.

818
00:48:00.659 --> 00:48:11.639
But again, look, here she's doing what we should have done all along, which is dialogue and negotiation, and she doesn't even have, or does she?

819
00:48:11.699 --> 00:48:12.900
Does she have the information?

820
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.139
Yes, because Archer was explaining it to her.

821
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:20.820
But what she doesn't have is the stupid coin thing that's in his left pocket.

822
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:21.960
Do you know what I mean?

823
00:48:22.019 --> 00:48:27.059
The coin that uh, he gives Degra, the coin that belonged to the guy from the future.

824
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:31.199
You've really made me look at 90s trek.

825
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:34.199
I know we're sort of in 2000s Trek now, but.

826
00:48:34.500 --> 00:48:37.679
You made me look at this period of Star Trek in a new way.

827
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:47.099
In that, how many scenes are there where people aren't just explaining what they're feeling and they're actually just allowed to act it on the screen without dialogue.

828
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:47.400
Yeah.

829
00:48:47.460 --> 00:48:51.119
And I think there's a little more of that than you think.

830
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:51.960
Than I give it credit for.

831
00:48:52.019 --> 00:48:57.900
Yeah, especially in DS9, where they trust the actors, because we point out quite a lot of that. lately.

832
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:13.019
But this is a good example of that because when she's in the quarters and there's just that single tier, yeah. we're allowed to trust that we know what she's feeling, that's really moving. when we get the explanation of what's going on, you know, the drug addiction, that's really boring.

833
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:18.239
And later on, when she's, you know, get off of me and all this, that's just really terrible.

834
00:49:18.300 --> 00:49:24.179
So I just wish they would do a bit more of that, you know, just let them act silently.

835
00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:26.219
Yeah, that's right.

836
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:27.659
Stop giving them dialogue.

837
00:49:28.739 --> 00:49:31.500
You're trying to be more cinematic.

838
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:34.500
Nothing more cinematic than cutting all the dialogue, you know?

839
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:35.280
that's right.

840
00:49:35.340 --> 00:49:37.019
Stand around talking.

841
00:49:37.260 --> 00:49:39.719
Do you remember the motion picture?

842
00:49:39.780 --> 00:49:43.199
Don't think there was a line in that. that was awesome. gorgeous.

843
00:49:43.260 --> 00:49:45.119
Yeah, look at this.

844
00:49:45.179 --> 00:49:46.320
He is good, this guy.

845
00:49:46.380 --> 00:49:48.539
The guy in this dag is really great.

846
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:54.360
It's actually, it is a loss to the season when he dies because then you've just got the comic villains left.

847
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:56.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

848
00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:59.340
But I think Bacula's great here too.

849
00:50:00.900 --> 00:50:03.719
And he's being given something.

850
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:06.780
Like that Daniel scene, I think, had some visual interest.

851
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:16.500
It had some stuff, you know, like getting to see the 400 years in the future, what's that, the 26th century or the 25th century.

852
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:17.219
That's kind of fun.

853
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:18.420
We haven't been there before.

854
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:30.719
It gives us a little bit of law and it explains, it gives him the information that he's now using to persuade Degra not to go ahead with the weapon, the thing that will eventually save them.

855
00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:42.780
You know, Daniels does give that information, and when just by sheer accident, his suicide mission fails and he has no alternative, but to do what Daniel says, and it works out for the best.

856
00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:45.840
And at times he's...

857
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:47.699
Scott Bakula was charming all along.

858
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:51.119
And this where he says, yes, I don't buy it either.

859
00:50:51.179 --> 00:50:54.119
It's stupid. didn't believe it when I was told.

860
00:50:54.179 --> 00:50:56.159
Just show up. might be true.

861
00:50:56.219 --> 00:50:57.119
No way.

862
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:00.599
Quantum dating something from the future.

863
00:51:00.659 --> 00:51:03.059
How the fuck do you determine?

864
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:04.019
Something is from the future.

865
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:07.500
Well, it's like carbon dating only goes backwards, you see.

866
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:15.719
I don't know Well, no, they go, well, it's a material that doesn't possibly exist now. 100 years old, you know.

867
00:51:16.019 --> 00:51:18.900
But it's so Brandenbraga.

868
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:20.219
You just said it again there, yeah?

869
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:23.579
In that scene, that exposition scene with Daniels.

870
00:51:23.699 --> 00:51:25.619
We seeing all this stuff 400 years in the future.

871
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:26.820
Who gives a fuck about that?

872
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:28.019
Like, who cares?

873
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:32.099
Oh, no, I think that there's a particular Star Trek pleasure to be had in that.

874
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:36.360
You know, it's the it's the memory alpha writing memory alpha pleasure.

875
00:51:36.420 --> 00:51:42.480
But like a timeline that probably will never be is informing this entire season.

876
00:51:42.539 --> 00:51:46.320
We saw it on telly, whether it was never real anyway, whether it gets to be or not.

877
00:51:46.380 --> 00:51:50.940
What you get is a sort of fairly interesting scene, some steaks, something a bit interesting.

878
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:56.099
Oh, Jesus, it's certainly better than Rick Worthy with a fucking latex bag over his head.

879
00:51:56.219 --> 00:51:57.719
So, uh...

880
00:51:57.719 --> 00:51:59.099
A council must be informed.

881
00:51:59.159 --> 00:51:59.760
Now come on.

882
00:51:59.940 --> 00:52:01.739
All those Cs.

883
00:52:01.739 --> 00:52:04.800
Between Damar and Wayne, you know?

884
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:05.940
I'm about to say.

885
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:10.800
Like, these are so boring, these scenes, because I don't know what anyone wants.

886
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:17.340
And maybe if I'd been watching the season through, I have a better idea and but do I?

887
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:17.880
Would I?

888
00:52:17.940 --> 00:52:20.219
I'm going to say some lines to you now.

889
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:20.579
Okay.

890
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:22.739
Do you remember Wagoon looking at Tamar?

891
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:26.219
My predecessor's death in a transporter accident?

892
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:30.179
Or even better, the female shapeshifter?

893
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:33.599
When will our cloning facility come back online with?

894
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:37.199
There's just none of that here, though, is there?

895
00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:39.659
No, it's super it's super bad.

896
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:45.840
Oh, this is the bit where Jolene unfortunately does go into sort of data on the soap territory now.

897
00:52:45.900 --> 00:52:48.179
I like thinking to do that.

898
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:51.420
It was almost, I was Robert Duncan McNeil-esque.

899
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:52.800
I was thinking when she started shouting.

900
00:52:52.860 --> 00:53:02.280
I think the problem is that they forget that she's supposed to be stronger than him and it would have just been much more fun had she been able to throw him against the wall rather than kind of...

901
00:53:02.340 --> 00:53:03.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

902
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:05.039
Actually, no.

903
00:53:05.099 --> 00:53:06.179
Please don't punch him.

904
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:08.699
He's going to have a terrible time at the end of the episode.

905
00:53:09.900 --> 00:53:14.340
That engineering set, I mean, is there anything left of it in the next episode?

906
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.019
It's pretty great.

907
00:53:16.139 --> 00:53:18.239
They seal it off, don't they?

908
00:53:18.300 --> 00:53:19.980
I think these ships are okay.

909
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:20.880
What are you complaining about?

910
00:53:20.940 --> 00:53:22.079
4 ships.

911
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:27.119
No, compare them to the fabulous bugs of the Gemadar ships, you know?

912
00:53:27.179 --> 00:53:27.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

913
00:53:27.780 --> 00:53:30.840
Or they're culling on cruisers swooping into a planet.

914
00:53:30.900 --> 00:53:37.559
But how many years like we 1st got to see those Klingon cruises in like 1983 or something?

915
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:38.460
Lodging along.

916
00:53:38.460 --> 00:53:39.900
Not of work.

917
00:53:43.019 --> 00:53:43.860
I don't know.

918
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:44.460
Do you know what?

919
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:48.659
I kept thinking that thing hanging down was boom, trying to pick up the dialogue.

920
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:51.960
I don't know what it is The thing that you chain Archer 2.

921
00:53:52.139 --> 00:53:56.760
Oh, no, it's it's um, it's got McDonald's sex dungeon, you see?

922
00:53:56.820 --> 00:53:59.579
I think it is a boom mite, but they're just pretending.

923
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:02.039
No, no, no, I think it's got leather and stuff.

924
00:54:02.099 --> 00:54:03.179
It's got straps on it.

925
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:04.260
You look at it closely.

926
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:06.960
It is definitely a sex dungeon thing for sure.

927
00:54:07.019 --> 00:54:12.780
I do appreciate that they turn the lights down, but maybe a bit too much that you can't actually see the performance in this scene.

928
00:54:12.900 --> 00:54:18.900
But I mean, it is just them standing around talking about things that they talked about in the previous scene with him and Degra.

929
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:22.019
Like, we don't need... fighting the same enemy, Nathan.

930
00:54:22.139 --> 00:54:25.380
Yes, but why are we talking about it again in this scene?

931
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:28.019
Oh, for fuck's sakes.

932
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:31.739
Quantum dating has produced inaccurate readings before.

933
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:35.519
Yes, I was aware of that He put himself for action school for that line.

934
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:36.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

935
00:54:36.539 --> 00:54:36.780
Yeah.

936
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:40.440
So that's Tucker Smallwood, who I think has been in other things as well.

937
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:43.380
Is that Tucker Smallwood from home?

938
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.119
The exile episode Cho.

939
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.500
Is he the, is he the... the one that gets murdered by the mutant.

940
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:50.760
You know, he locks the door.

941
00:54:50.820 --> 00:54:52.920
It's so scary that bit.

942
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:55.500
That that is such a great episode.

943
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:56.460
It's so gross.

944
00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:58.320
He's so pretty.

945
00:54:58.380 --> 00:55:00.539
Unbelievably horrible, that episode.

946
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:02.099
That's why I like it, though.

947
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:04.440
It's the closest the exiles ever got to true horror.

948
00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:06.360
Well, in fact, they don't repeat it.

949
00:55:06.420 --> 00:55:07.500
They skip it.

950
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:07.980
Oh here we go.

951
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:12.119
Why are we talking about the X-Files when the Enterprise has been blown to shit?

952
00:55:12.179 --> 00:55:14.820
Yeah, now this is actually pretty great.

953
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:15.659
Okay.

954
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:19.679
Rocks, rocks, more rocks.

955
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:24.119
Oh my god, more rocks, more rocks, more fireworks going off.

956
00:55:24.179 --> 00:55:28.619
These huge lung head asshole comes in in a minute.

957
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:31.019
That explosion was so strong it blew a man off his feet.

958
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:32.579
Yeah, woo hoo.

959
00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:34.619
The Scarball Michelle's gone.

960
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:35.460
We're dead in the water.

961
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:36.300
We can't even move.

962
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

963
00:55:38.219 --> 00:55:41.280
No, you think this is the point where DSI would stop, right?

964
00:55:41.340 --> 00:55:42.960
We've blown up the sets a bit. enough.

965
00:55:43.019 --> 00:55:44.880
You know, no, they keep going now.

966
00:55:44.940 --> 00:55:46.199
It's really good.

967
00:55:46.619 --> 00:55:48.900
The ceiling coming down in the bridge.

968
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:50.219
I mean, that is incredible.

969
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:52.800
It looks so cheap, but it's great.

970
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:55.500
Travis, move.

971
00:55:56.699 --> 00:55:58.980
All the wires hanging.

972
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:02.159
Yeah, and they clear it away at the beginning of damage.

973
00:56:02.219 --> 00:56:06.599
You actually see them carry that thing offset in damage. damage, right?

974
00:56:06.659 --> 00:56:08.340
It's in my imagination. in damage.

975
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:11.880
Is there always someone in the background with like sparks flying doing repair?

976
00:56:11.940 --> 00:56:12.599
all over the place.

977
00:56:12.659 --> 00:56:17.400
Like the whole thing has gone to shit and it really, really sells how desperately, how desperate they are.

978
00:56:17.460 --> 00:56:20.579
Sound effects of like the whole buckle in.

979
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:24.119
Yes, just really. really great atmosphere.

980
00:56:24.179 --> 00:56:25.739
Sound effects are really great.

981
00:56:25.860 --> 00:56:29.639
Well, you didn't mention the music for this episode because we can't hear it, but the music, I think, is J.

982
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:30.360
Chataway again.

983
00:56:30.420 --> 00:56:41.039
And the music at the end, it all comes to a culmination onto Powell's face and it's like, oh, it's one of the things that they get right, though.

984
00:56:41.099 --> 00:56:42.059
Do you know what I mean?

985
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:55.980
It's kind of like they have a very sort of definite, the music should be wallpaper mostly policy, and they've just ignored it here, and this is kind of like classic, you know, TOS style music, where it's really...

986
00:56:56.039 --> 00:56:57.539
I imagine in the meetings.

987
00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:02.639
We've got a battle scene in this episode and they all look at each other and go, get chat away on the phone.

988
00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:03.119
Come on.

989
00:57:03.179 --> 00:57:05.340
He's the only one that can do it.

990
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:08.219
Look at their ships blowing up.

991
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:09.960
Surrounding the interpress.

992
00:57:10.019 --> 00:57:17.280
And I love the fact that the camera swings sort of Battlestar Galactica style around the ship, and you see holes in the ship.

993
00:57:17.340 --> 00:57:18.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

994
00:57:18.539 --> 00:57:19.079
It's amazing.

995
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:21.719
Well, that's what I want to know, actually.

996
00:57:21.780 --> 00:57:24.420
I want to kind of watch ahead and see how damaged it is.

997
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:29.340
They can't just fix it up while they're flying it in the Delphic expanse.

998
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.099
This is horrific this bit.

999
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:36.480
Look, the man is on fire for about 10 seconds.

1000
00:57:36.900 --> 00:57:38.880
So bad, though.

1001
00:57:38.940 --> 00:57:46.800
Like, it's so hilariously like, oh, the stuntman's on fire with his giant... more visceral than they would normally do.

1002
00:57:46.860 --> 00:57:51.480
I know, I know, but it is kind of quick, get the stunt guy on and set him on fire.

1003
00:57:51.539 --> 00:57:57.840
And then there's a there's a buildup of sound in this scene and you know that warp core is going to blow any minute.

1004
00:57:57.900 --> 00:57:59.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1005
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:03.059
But I think just having, like, it's so great.

1006
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:04.260
So much pyrotechnics.

1007
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:06.239
They blowing the shit out of the centre.

1008
00:58:06.300 --> 00:58:10.079
And it's just seen off the scene of the scene where it's getting worse and worse and worse.

1009
00:58:10.139 --> 00:58:12.719
People being blown out of the ship.

1010
00:58:12.780 --> 00:58:16.260
Look, all these holes in the in the thing, it's amazing.

1011
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:22.139
Slow motion now as everyone's trying to grab their consoles to salvage the situation.

1012
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:23.219
Yep, yep.

1013
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:24.599
Yeah, it's really great.

1014
00:58:24.659 --> 00:58:28.199
And then Jolene's so happy because she gets the money shot.

1015
00:58:28.260 --> 00:58:28.920
Here we go.

1016
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:32.940
Right in on her eyes.

1017
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:35.159
We are fucked.

1018
00:58:36.900 --> 00:58:42.900
And the Enterprise dead in space as they're still being pummelled with all those lasers.

1019
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:54.780
And just having it rolling as well, like having it turn upside down, you know, like the ships so often shot, like just battleships on a surface, and so having it just slowly, lazily rolling out of control.

1020
00:58:54.840 --> 00:59:12.780
Like, I think that's really good, and it made me appreciate damage better because I had problems with damage, but just, you know, and damage is clearly about not only the damage to the ships, but the damage that the whole situation is doing to them morally, you know, it's really good, I think.

1021
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:16.860
I don't think it is an exaggeration to say, well done, enterprise.

1022
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:18.960
I think you might have arrived, finally.

1023
00:59:19.019 --> 00:59:21.780
Yeah, 2.5 seasons into your run.

1024
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:22.619
Yeah, yeah.

1025
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:24.539
And they learned the lesson.

1026
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:30.599
They learned the lesson from Voyager, Scorpion, Scorpion 2.

1027
00:59:30.900 --> 00:59:35.099
Because at the end of that, there's damage to the ship.

1028
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:37.800
And in the next episode, there's still damage to the ship.

1029
00:59:37.860 --> 00:59:38.219
Do you remember?

1030
00:59:38.219 --> 00:59:39.239
I'll say, my God.

1031
00:59:39.300 --> 00:59:40.559
Jesus Christ.

1032
00:59:40.619 --> 00:59:41.820
Consequences.

1033
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:45.960
But all you see is the exterior of the ship and a few holes and that's it.

1034
00:59:46.019 --> 00:59:52.800
Whereas they do a whole episode here where they're trying to desperately put that portal shit back together again.

1035
00:59:53.099 --> 00:59:57.239
Because that's their only line of defence and it's crumbling.

1036
00:59:57.300 --> 00:59:58.739
It's really good.

1037
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:04.500
Like, it's that serialised storytelling and it works really well and it just puts them in a completely different place.

1038
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:23.820
Like, Archer, you know, we kind of lose interest in the Archer being, um, you know, held captive by the reptilians because he's just very quickly delivered to the ship again so that he can be in the next episode, like some helpful aquatics, you know, come along and just sort of bring him back.

1039
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:28.739
And so this episode doesn't really end in any sort of sensible way.

1040
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:31.500
But, you know, like there was heaps going on.

1041
01:00:31.500 --> 01:00:36.900
And I do think that it's a turning point not only in the kind of backstory we find out what's going on.

1042
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:45.179
But from here on, our job is not to kind of destroy the weapon or kill the Zindi or anything like that.

1043
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:49.679
It's to persuade Degra. you know, essentially, to help them.

1044
01:00:49.739 --> 01:00:53.579
And the council, you know, took a small water.

1045
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:55.920
I don't think you have seen to the end of the season.

1046
01:00:55.980 --> 01:00:56.460
No.

1047
01:00:56.460 --> 01:01:08.099
They do abandon this approach as soon as Dager is dead and it does just become about destroying the weapon in the last episode. which as I said, was very stupid indeed, but really fun to watch.

1048
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:15.599
It's actually when Manicoto comes in in the next season. that we're absolutely building towards the Federation for me, aren't we?

1049
01:01:15.659 --> 01:01:16.500
Yeah, yeah.

1050
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:16.980
Yeah.

1051
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:17.400
Yeah.

1052
01:01:17.460 --> 01:01:19.380
Manny's got the right idea.

1053
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:20.639
I think so.

1054
01:01:20.699 --> 01:01:36.179
I mean, I think that, you know, we've said this a 100 times that series 3 is the show out of ideas and reaching for something that will make it more interesting and doing that successfully, I think, to some degree, but kind of jettisoning Star Trek in the in the process.

1055
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:40.320
I think season 3 Events Prize.

1056
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:48.539
On the right day, it's my favourite season of Events Prize, because I like the approach and I like the cynicism as well.

1057
01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:56.280
You know, I like that sort of stuff, but it does make me think, actually, DS 9 had the right approach with season 6 and 7 in that.

1058
01:01:56.340 --> 01:01:58.019
Yes, we're going to do a long arc.

1059
01:01:58.139 --> 01:02:16.380
Um, that arc is going to touch every episode, sometimes very strong, sometimes very lightly, but we're going to do our usual standalone episodes that are enjoyable to watch in their own right because their hit rate of great episodes in 6 and 7 is very high indeed.

1060
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:20.340
And the hit rate of episodes because they're tied to this fucking arc.

1061
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:24.420
And season 3 is, well, less successful, shall we say?

1062
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:35.039
Yeah, I mean, it's a different type of serialisation because they are telling a continuous story in phases in series 3 and in a way that's all that's available to them because there's just the crew on enterprise.

1063
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:48.119
And it's not like Deep Space 9, which has a much more kind of robust ensemble premise where you can just go off and do something with a group of characters over here or something over there.

1064
01:02:48.179 --> 01:02:53.760
It doesn't have to be each episode has to be the direct consequence of the previous one.

1065
01:02:53.820 --> 01:03:03.300
And there is something about that mode of storytelling I like, and I think that it is done best at the end of Discovery season four.

1066
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:08.639
I think Discovery actually nails that way of plotting.

1067
01:03:08.699 --> 01:03:10.739
I think Picard series 3 does as well.

1068
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:19.739
You know, that it is just a series of episodes, each of which has a satisfying episode that stands alone, but that tells part of a continuous story.

1069
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:26.460
And I thought this episode that is Auntie Prime did that really well, and that's also what I liked about series 4.

1070
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:32.519
I'm going to say, you know, I haven't seen all of series 4 of discovery.

1071
01:03:32.579 --> 01:03:38.760
So I'll look forward to examining that premise and seeing if that comes to fruition for me.

1072
01:03:38.820 --> 01:03:45.420
And I think the 1st half of series 3 of Picard.

1073
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:48.539
Absolutely now is what you just said there.

1074
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:52.860
I was just so disappointed with the fucking Borg, being the main friend at the end.

1075
01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:57.119
Again, that unfortunately it sort of limped to a climax for me.

1076
01:03:57.179 --> 01:04:07.079
But what I will say about this episode is whilst I've got huge issues with the overriding arc and the motives and all of that and the lack of substance in it.

1077
01:04:07.739 --> 01:04:09.179
As 45 minutes of television.

1078
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:11.579
It's really very good.

1079
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:12.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1080
01:04:12.659 --> 01:04:13.679
Yeah, absolutely.

1081
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:25.739
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to find out where we're going next.

1082
01:04:25.860 --> 01:04:31.199
Once again, I made one of my patented excellent episode choices.

1083
01:04:31.260 --> 01:04:37.139
And so I think it's time to veer towards the mediocre with maybe an episode of Voyager.

1084
01:04:37.260 --> 01:04:38.460
What were you thinking, Joe?

1085
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:42.780
Well, we were so positive about 90s trek there.

1086
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:44.460
I want to keep us in that arena.

1087
01:04:44.519 --> 01:05:00.420
I mean, I have been looking at the percentages and some of those 90s trek seasons obviously have higher percentages, but there's so much more of them than everything else that we just have to keep coming back to this well because otherwise we'll never get to the end of them all.

1088
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.159
So all 4 of them are in.

1089
01:05:02.219 --> 01:05:03.000
Okay.

1090
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:13.500
But my one stipulation for the choice will be that from my memory, it's either got to be a mediocre to poor episode.

1091
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:14.519
All right?

1092
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:19.500
Yeah, this praise wearies me, I think, absolutely.

1093
01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:25.139
Those are absolutely the more fun episodes to record, I think, you know, being mad at other people.

1094
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:25.500
Come on.

1095
01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:27.960
Well, that was a brilliant episode, though.

1096
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:33.059
Oh, so we can't do the 1st one, unfortunately, which is an absolute banger.

1097
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:37.800
Next generation, season three, episode 10, the Defector.

1098
01:05:37.860 --> 01:05:40.019
Oh, an absolute classic.

1099
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:41.460
He's pretty good.

1100
01:05:42.780 --> 01:05:45.719
Oh, I'm not sure about this one.

1101
01:05:45.780 --> 01:05:49.679
Your random Star Trek DS9 episode is season seven, of course.

1102
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:53.400
Episode 13, Field of Fire.

1103
01:05:53.460 --> 01:06:02.039
That's the one with Durand Dax, and Ezry Dax does the murder mystery investigation, which is as good as that sound.

1104
01:06:02.099 --> 01:06:06.780
Turns out it's her Well, it sort of is.

1105
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:08.340
I'm not telling you the twist.

1106
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:15.119
It's sort of homicide law on the streets with bizarre trill ceremonies.

1107
01:06:15.179 --> 01:06:16.860
Okay, that sounds terrible.

1108
01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:18.659
Should I move on?

1109
01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:19.260
Yeah.

1110
01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:20.639
Okay.

1111
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:25.199
Oh, no, another banger, unfortunately.

1112
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:32.400
I never get any fucking bangers when I normally press the button. not when you want them The algorithm is against me.

1113
01:06:32.460 --> 01:06:37.260
This was going to be Voyager season one, episode 15, Jatrell.

1114
01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:40.260
Ooh, we even mentioned that very very good.

1115
01:06:41.099 --> 01:06:42.840
Oh, no.

1116
01:06:42.900 --> 01:06:46.139
DS9, season four, episode 22 for the cause.

1117
01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:48.659
That's when Eddington is revealed.

1118
01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:49.260
Too good.

1119
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:51.539
I could be here a long time, you know.

1120
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:53.579
Who would have guessed?

1121
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:54.840
Oh no.

1122
01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:59.340
Next generation series seven, episode 12, the Pegasus.

1123
01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:00.119
Oh dear.

1124
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:09.960
Oh, it's being kind, but unfortunately, it's chosen TNG season 6, episode 3, Man of the People again.

1125
01:07:10.019 --> 01:07:12.300
So, never mind.

1126
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:13.500
Okay.

1127
01:07:15.179 --> 01:07:17.760
Now you must be joking me.

1128
01:07:17.820 --> 01:07:19.079
Is this taking the piss?

1129
01:07:19.139 --> 01:07:20.039
Why what?

1130
01:07:20.099 --> 01:07:21.360
TNG.

1131
01:07:21.420 --> 01:07:23.699
Season seven, episode 15, lower deck.

1132
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:28.800
You must be joking me right now.

1133
01:07:28.860 --> 01:07:33.420
DS9, season 4, season uh, episode 26, Broken Link. Great episode.

1134
01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:35.460
Oh, my God.

1135
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:37.800
This is the most we've ever chosen.

1136
01:07:37.860 --> 01:07:39.900
This is uh, this is a...

1137
01:07:40.019 --> 01:07:42.059
I'm gonna keep going until I get something terrible.

1138
01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:42.960
Okay.

1139
01:07:43.019 --> 01:07:49.019
DS9, season three, episode 26, the adversary, the thing in space is brilliant.

1140
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:50.880
Oh my god.

1141
01:07:50.940 --> 01:07:52.139
Oh.

1142
01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:53.280
Okay.

1143
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:54.000
Oh no.

1144
01:07:54.059 --> 01:07:55.380
It's a two-parter.

1145
01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:56.099
It's a two-part.

1146
01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:57.239
I don't think it will have time for it.

1147
01:07:57.300 --> 01:08:01.739
It was going to be season five, episode 26 of TNG Times Arrow.

1148
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:04.559
Yeah, that is fun though, and Mr. Pickett?

1149
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:08.340
Yeah, we have. have to be impersonations of her too, obviously.

1150
01:08:08.460 --> 01:08:09.960
I need to be talking to you.

1151
01:08:10.619 --> 01:08:15.239
Nathan, I thought I told you, your rent was due at one o'clock on a Thursday.

1152
01:08:15.300 --> 01:08:16.680
Thursday.

1153
01:08:16.739 --> 01:08:21.840
Oh, my God, it is choosing shit episodes, but this once we've already done.

1154
01:08:21.899 --> 01:08:23.039
Right, what's that?

1155
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:23.760
Course oblivion.

1156
01:08:23.819 --> 01:08:24.659
Oh dear.

1157
01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:26.220
We have to do it again.

1158
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:27.060
No.

1159
01:08:27.180 --> 01:08:30.960
Tinker Sailor, so just like, oh, stop this now.

1160
01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:33.359
The Nagus.

1161
01:08:34.380 --> 01:08:36.960
Oh, this is just going silly.

1162
01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:39.720
Oh my god, okay, I think I might have it.

1163
01:08:39.779 --> 01:08:42.720
Okay, I really hate in this episode.

1164
01:08:42.779 --> 01:08:44.340
And actually every one ever.

1165
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:48.840
It will quite be nice to be really horrible, but I do.

1166
01:08:48.899 --> 01:08:49.859
All right.

1167
01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:54.359
And it's my favourite season, season five, episode 20.

1168
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.180
Ferengi love songs.

1169
01:08:57.239 --> 01:08:58.439
Oh no.

1170
01:08:58.500 --> 01:08:59.699
Okay.

1171
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:00.239
Do you remember?

1172
01:09:00.300 --> 01:09:04.380
the one where it's the one where Zek and Moogie start having their relationship together.

1173
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:05.520
Oh no.

1174
01:09:05.579 --> 01:09:06.659
Oh, no.

1175
01:09:06.659 --> 01:09:07.560
No, you don't want to do that one?

1176
01:09:07.619 --> 01:09:07.920
Okay.

1177
01:09:07.979 --> 01:09:08.819
No I think we have to do it.

1178
01:09:08.939 --> 01:09:12.840
I mean, I think it's pretty. a Renee directed episode.

1179
01:09:13.739 --> 01:09:16.560
But it's spectacularly cheap.

1180
01:09:16.619 --> 01:09:18.359
I remember.

1181
01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:22.739
And badly lit. frankly, I just can't push that button anymore.

1182
01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:24.060
Okay, no, no.

1183
01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:24.539
That was it.

1184
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:25.619
That was getting silly.

1185
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:26.939
This one is short for everyone.

1186
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:28.619
Yes, that is true.

1187
01:09:28.739 --> 01:09:29.640
That is true.

1188
01:09:29.699 --> 01:09:35.159
I mean, what is the odds of choosing all of 90's trek and getting one classic after another?

1189
01:09:35.220 --> 01:09:36.119
I know.

1190
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:36.779
I know.

1191
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:37.800
The answer pretty...

1192
01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:41.100
There's only 2% variants on classics.

1193
01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:42.239
Crazy.

1194
01:09:42.300 --> 01:09:44.340
Nathan, I finally broken the odds.

1195
01:09:54.779 --> 01:10:05.579
He's been listening to Entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1196
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:11.039
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1197
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:16.979
This episode was recorded on the 19th of November 2024 and released on the 22nd of November.

1198
01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:21.840
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Ferengi Love songs.

1199
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:39.779
I need to watch that.

1200
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:41.760
All I managed to watch from these things.

1201
01:10:41.819 --> 01:10:46.140
I haven't watched a frame of the fucking Blake 7 box set that arrived.

1202
01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:47.520
Not a single episode.

1203
01:10:47.579 --> 01:10:55.619
I got almost as annoyed seeing all those fucking box sets on social media as I do by the Dr. Ru ones.

1204
01:10:55.680 --> 01:10:58.020
I'm like, I know, you've had some posts.

1205
01:10:58.079 --> 01:10:59.159
Get over it.

1206
01:11:00.300 --> 01:11:14.699
What happened to me was I had waited 2 weeks after everyone else in Australia had got season 25 and I'd been witching and bitching about it and seeing people's arrive in England and then I got home and mine was there already. you know.

1207
01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:16.199
Nathan, you have a life.

1208
01:11:16.260 --> 01:11:19.500
Which means you don't feel compelled to share your picture.

1209
01:11:19.859 --> 01:11:21.779
I did show my picture.

1210
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:22.500
Oh, you never did.

1211
01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:23.640
I did.

1212
01:11:23.699 --> 01:11:27.539
I said it's even arrived in the outer world, so I said.

1213
01:11:27.539 --> 01:11:30.479
So during this podcast has been fun, but I'm going to have to go now, right?

1214
01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:34.500
Oh, God, oh, boy.

1215
01:11:34.500 --> 01:11:35.520
Yeah, yeah.

1216
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:37.680
I don't even see a picture.

1217
01:11:37.739 --> 01:11:40.079
Yeah, and blue sky.

1218
01:11:40.140 --> 01:11:42.840
I'm not fan of my posting. not fucking posting on Twitter.

1219
01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:43.680
Blue sky.

1220
01:11:43.739 --> 01:11:45.359
It's very boring than Twitter.

1221
01:11:45.420 --> 01:12:01.380
Oh, it's not because... 1000000s of people have recently joined it, and everyone is back, like everyone is back there, and people are now using it, and people like Si and Conrad, and stuff are posting there.

1222
01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:08.159
And I think that that's the that's the final off-ramp for Twitter because I think that Twitter's just too...

1223
01:12:08.220 --> 01:12:13.560
I mean, I noticed, I noticed about 50 of my followers vanished in a week.

1224
01:12:13.619 --> 01:12:17.579
But I've not lost any traction with the post, I'm doing.

1225
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:19.439
No, but I'm going to just go off it.

1226
01:12:19.500 --> 01:12:20.520
I going to kill my account.

1227
01:12:20.579 --> 01:12:23.760
I'll still post FTE things, but I'm not going to do anything on there.

1228
01:12:23.819 --> 01:12:25.680
I do have a P Sky account.

1229
01:12:25.739 --> 01:12:28.800
Just when I went there before, I looked at the post, everyone...

1230
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:30.420
Oh, yeah, there was nothing. everyone was so nice.

1231
01:12:30.539 --> 01:12:31.800
I was like, oh.

1232
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:32.159
Yeah.

1233
01:12:32.220 --> 01:12:36.720
Everyone is kind of nice and people block people who are like, but there are no Nazis.

1234
01:12:36.779 --> 01:12:37.500
Do you know what I mean?

1235
01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:38.100
That's the thing.

1236
01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:40.260
I know, like, it's not.

1237
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:40.619
Yeah.

1238
01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:43.260
Because I only look at nice things.

1239
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:45.420
My algorithm's quite kind to me, you know?

1240
01:12:45.539 --> 01:12:46.560
Yeah.

1241
01:12:46.619 --> 01:12:57.659
Yeah, I, and I've been posting for, there's an untitled Star Trek project, uh, uh, thing to at untitled Star Trek project.com.

1242
01:12:57.720 --> 01:12:59.880
I clicked on a...

1243
01:12:59.880 --> 01:13:02.760
Oh, stop posting there then.

1244
01:13:02.819 --> 01:13:14.939
Um, I clicked on a, uh, like other, uh, delicious bums or something like that once, and then suddenly Twitter just thought I wanted to see lots of really nice pictures of men's bums.

1245
01:13:15.060 --> 01:13:16.500
So every time I go on Twitter now.

1246
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:18.000
I sort of go, oh, how healthy?

1247
01:13:18.060 --> 01:13:21.479
That's very pleasant, you know, everyone blues guy as well.

1248
01:13:21.539 --> 01:13:23.640
Every 3rd post is a nice bum.

1249
01:13:23.699 --> 01:13:25.199
I'm like, I can live with that.

1250
01:13:25.260 --> 01:13:25.680
Okay.

1251
01:13:25.739 --> 01:13:26.699
That's all right.

1252
01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:28.140
Occasional.

1253
01:13:28.140 --> 01:13:30.000
I've got marked a promise as well, right?

1254
01:13:30.060 --> 01:13:32.699
Because Philip Olivia has now joined...

1255
01:13:32.699 --> 01:13:35.939
Big finish in our run of Finnish Big.

1256
01:13:36.060 --> 01:13:39.840
So Hex is finally there with Sophie and Sylvester.

1257
01:13:39.899 --> 01:13:41.819
So I've got him to promise that, hang on.

1258
01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:44.880
I should use my men of Doctor Who Calendar to show you.

1259
01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:47.939
Philip Olivier, month.

1260
01:13:48.539 --> 01:13:51.899
It was the easily the best month of the year.

1261
01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:52.500
Here we go.

1262
01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:53.340
Yes.

1263
01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:54.840
Oh, you can't see the bum.

1264
01:13:54.899 --> 01:13:58.439
But I made him promise that this picture here, including the bum.

1265
01:13:58.500 --> 01:14:06.420
It will go up on every single finished big episode where I mentioned Hex, but that picture will be shined up.

1266
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:10.800
Yeah, I'm on a promise. look at what this month is.

1267
01:14:13.859 --> 01:14:16.079
Oh, holy crap.

1268
01:14:16.319 --> 01:14:21.539
So take it as a huge compliment, you know, that I only look at you and not the calendar, okay?

1269
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:25.020
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. shooting's right there.

1270
01:14:27.180 --> 01:14:28.739
All right.

1271
01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:29.880
All right, all right.