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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, this week, we're back watching Star Trek Enterprise, and it's

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series 3, episode 18 Azati Prime.

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And this is obviously towards the end of the Zindi arc.

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It's a teleplay by Manny Koto, and it's based on a story by Berman

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Braga and Koto.

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And I think Kodo's fingerprints are all over it.

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I really thought that this was actually pretty good.

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And I'm not someone who likes this indie arc at all.

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I am absolutely not behind what they're doing in series 3

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generally, but this was really properly enjoyable, I think.

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I think Coco has ambitions that far exceed what Birmingham Braga

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want to do with Star Trek Enterprise, and you can see the start of

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that here.

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Obviously, he takes the show in series 4 and takes it in brilliant

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and innovative of new directions.

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But what he does here is he takes hold of this arc, which, frankly

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you know, I took a good look at the episodes spread across series

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three.

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Yeah.

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And it is the good, the bad, and the ugly, right?

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Every episode is tied into the Zindiak.

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So they're finally doing that thing of a whole season that is

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structured around an idea.

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But some of those episodes are so loosely connected to the, you

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know, there's a time travel episode, there's a archer gets turned

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into an alien episode.

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There's a, we're off into the future, doing a sort of children of

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time-esque episode.

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And they're all sort of somehow linked to the Zindi.

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But the batting average is inconsistent, let's say, across the

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season.

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But this is the point where it's all coherent.

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And I think you get a run of 3 episodes.

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Azati Prime Damage and the Forgotten, and they're 3 of the very

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best enterprise episodes, and it just happens to be the point

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where this whole arc is culminating.

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With lots of great twists, visual ambition, some real emotion in

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enterprise in a way that you actually feel something, which is

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unusual for this show.

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Yeah, it's really good stuff.

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However, I do have a couple of issues.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I said I want to get him out of the way because I kind of

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want to be positive about this because genuinely, I had chills

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come the end of the episode when the Enterprise is dead in space

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at the end of this episode.

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The hairs on my arms were up.

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I was like, well, this is the most unusual situation for

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enterprise and me, but here we are.

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So my 1st major issue is like DS9 does a war arc, yeah, and it's

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based around huge universal themes of xenophobia, you know, and

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things like that and things that they can write substantive

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dialogue about, yeah?

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And you absolutely understand because that's the same reason that

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wars were fought over in our world, yeah, in our time.

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Enterprise just uses some knockoff Voyager idea of, oh, the Zindi

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looked into the future and saw that perhaps there was going to be

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a conflict that they might lose and so contacted somebody to build

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a weapon, and none of it, it's just terrible science fiction ideas

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that carry no weight whatsoever.

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And you're like, well, okay, it's an exciting idea.

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But that's just a really shit motive as to why we're doing all of

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this.

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You know, it's so it's so half-assed and ambiguous.

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And I'm like, okay, so and this is the episode where you find out

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why this is all happening, you know. and it's supposed to be a

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revelation.

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And I was sort of just scratching my head going, is that it?

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Like, that's the reason they want to wipe out the earth.

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And of course, the earth isn't wiped out of their saying times

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malleable on the earth can be wiped out.

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But of course, we know they're not going to wipe out the earth

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because they're not going to delete an entire run of Star Trek

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that's happened until this point.

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So the whole thing is hanging on a lot of half baked ideas that

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you know are going to be reset at the end of the season.

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Yeah, I think the same thing about Archer's sacrificing this

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episode as well, which just can't possibly have the sort of

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dramatic weight that it wants to have, because we all know that

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it's not going to happen, because we're not at the point of the

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season where that sort of thing could ever happen.

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I'm really such a prick.

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We're all going, go on.

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Take the bomb.

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But what was the 2nd one?

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But the 2nd one is another DS9 comparison, which I can do because

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they're doing similar things here, you know?

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They're doing a big conflict, they're doing season-long arcs and

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all of this.

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Well, I started thinking, well, where was DS9 at this point?

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Season three, two-thirds in, uh, we did improbable cause and the

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dire cast. truly incredible DS9 2 parter, where they amass a

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Romulan fleet around the Dominion Planet, and they, you know, it

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all leads up to that fabulous moment where we get Admiral Akbar

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going, it's a trap, you know?

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And the Dominion come out and blow the Romulan fleet to buggery.

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And it features an interrogation scene like we get here, but that

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interrogation scene is between Odo and Garak, you know, that's

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Renault Erbichonois, and Andy Robinson, for fuck's sake, is some

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of the most intense material you've ever seen.

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And unfortunately, the comparison leaves this in the dust because

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the dialogue in that episode, the DS92 part, it means something.

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The dialogue in the interrogation scene.

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It's Odo.

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Garak saying, tell me something, I can give them.

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And Odo going, I want to go home and it means something for the

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rest of the series.

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There's an interrogation scene in this episode and it's Archer

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going, do you know what?

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We had some dinosaurs on earth, right?

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And they was all wiped out by a thing and you've just got brain

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the size of walnuts.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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I was like, oh, please.

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Like, the dialogue just has no substance to it.

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It has no way.

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It has no meaning.

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Like, the episode is really exciting.

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It does have a lot of visual ambition and it has momentum to it as

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well. like it builds and builds and builds to a point where it's

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very, very exciting.

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But you wipe away a lot of the surface gloss and what's underneath

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is quite empty.

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Yeah, I mean, particularly since it starts as if it's going to

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comment on 911 because of what happens at the end of series 2.

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So the big discovery that the reason 911 happened is because

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people from the future decided to trick someone, do you know what

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I mean?

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Like the whole space reason thing is so dumb.

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And there's no, like that's their jumping off point, but they come

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up with just something so stupid and so science fiction is the

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reason for it.

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And it didn't need to be.

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It didn't need to be.

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I mean, it is kind of a bit cool and seem like into the future and

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stuff.

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Like, like, if you're sort of feeling particularly sort of dumb

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and genre brained.

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Like, I think that's that's actually quite enjoyable and the big

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graphic of the Enterprise J and the revelation that there is India

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on board of the Enterprise J and...

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I just like Star Trek to carry a little bit of weight.

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If you're doing war and genocide, it should carry a little bit of

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weight, shouldn't it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So all of that is a bit dumb.

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And I think that, you know, I don't think the Burman and Braga

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have any sort of thought through political position on anything

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very much except for a kind of knee jerk, low level conservatism

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really.

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And so...

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Do you think their sort of basis for this is, wouldn't it be cool

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if?

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Yeah, I think so.

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And turns out, yes, it would be cool if that happened.

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And certainly they'd run out of ideas.

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And there is a rebuke to that in this episode, I think.

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And it's, uh, we'll get there, but it's in um, Archer's farewell

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speech to the crew, which I think is actually a pretty good

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moment.

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So, look, I thought this was sort of dumb, but really, really

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enjoyable, much more enjoyable than a lot of enterprise.

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I mean, some side characters that we can play, never get anything

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to do.

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Get something to do in this episode. love that.

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No, gets agency and an opinion for the 1st time in the entire

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series.

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I just like, I know we've ratted on it, especially you, the sort

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of the makeup of the Zindi.

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I don't mean the makeup is in the latex.

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I mean, how it's structured and the different races and all that.

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But it's kind of a cool idea.

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You got insects and you've got underwater creatures and all of

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this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's a bit more exciting than just a load of latex, you know?

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Although there is...

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Yeah, there is.

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They can't quite get out of a habit, can they?

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I've got to say as well, right?

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You was right.

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You sent me a message and got me very excited for one scene.

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And it's a good thing, actually, that DS9 and Voyager are no

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longer being made because I needed the entire stock of rocks for

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this episode.

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Yeah, when the Enterprise is just...

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I mean, there's so there's practically a quarry blowing through

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the Enterprise by the end of this.

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Even more in damage too, because it doesn't...

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Oh, damage, I think.

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It's really...

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Is that the one where it goes from bad to worse?

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Like the ship is literally falling apart by the end.

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It's really great And I don't, like, I haven't watched the rest of

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the season, and I'm assuming that we get that distressed

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enterprise model for the rest of the of the season, do we?

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They don't fix it so that it's pristine again. can't remember.

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All I remember about the end of the season.

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And it is, it's totally brainless, but it is really fun.

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It's Archer on the surface of that weapon. fighting Scott

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McDonald's indie character.

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It's absolutely absurd, but very enjoyable.

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I was like, they're just having, they're just having fun, you

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know.

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Yeah, yeah, brilliant.

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Thank God, because you remember series one?

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Yeah, yeah.

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But I mean, that's the big disappointment for me is that at this

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point they can't really make Star Trek anymore and so instead they

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just go for generic spaceship show in series 3.

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And so there's very little of what makes Star Trek Star Trek

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here.

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And because Manikoto's on board this week.

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He does do some things, I think, that attempt to kind of address

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that, which is kind of good and more than I expected.

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So, I don't know.

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This is fun enough, I think.

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But, you know, our favourite thing to talk about of all.

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They're just making better television than they were in series

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one.

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It is more exciting.

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It is more dynamic.

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It is more dramatically satisfying than what we, you know, there

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was nothing going on in series.

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Strange New World.

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It was just baseless, wasn't it?

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And I think the serialisation works really well.

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Like I came into this. aware of who Dagra was, but only vaguely

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and not having watched some of the episodes leading up to this

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that it refers to, and that didn't matter at all.

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It still told a single story with the beginning, a middle, and an

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end.

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It ends in a cliffhanger, but it's a good episode of TV and

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watching it at the time in the context of all of the other

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episodes.

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It must have been really quite rewarding because I think there's

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stuff in here.

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They're paying it off, aren't they?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I think there's stuff in here that references episodes that

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might not have been that great in themselves, but they still build

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up to a pitch.

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And I guess, I guess my experience of that in enterprise is

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watching the beginning of series 4 and just being impressed with

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how it seemed to be telling a single story.

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You know, there were different things going on, but there were

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character arcs pushing everyone along a bit and giving it a sense

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of scale.

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And I think that this has that as well.

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Oh, definitely.

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Yeah, when that ship burst under the water and we suddenly saw

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this, yeah, basically primitive CGI of this huge base, still the

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scale of it really impressed me.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But I just mean the sort of scale generally of the storytelling

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too.

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I mean, do you think about deadlock, which has Voyager being

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nearly destroyed?

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Well, one Voyager is destroyed.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

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But how how weightless that is compared to what happens here

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because of the high concept. you know, and that's clever.

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And deadlock is a clever, well-made episode.

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I think it's you know, there's a really good twist in it.

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I think it works in it.

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Well, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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More cades.

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There's always a spare cake.

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But, you know, the destruction or the incredible damage to

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enterprising this is so good.

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It really is our enterprise, right?

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Yeah, the bit where stock insect man number 3 says, you know, well

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we've got an entire fleet approaching your ship.

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All right, it's only 4 ships ultimately. exaggerating slightly, but

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4's more than one, right?

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But they're going up against.

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It does mean something.

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Can I very quickly just talk about Degra?

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Because I think he is the NVP of this season and they basically

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they pour everything they've got into that character.

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They get a fine actor to play the role and he has a story arc that

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goes from somebody that, you know, he's that person, he's the

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Jetrail, just building a weapon because he's been told it's needed

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to realising the implications of it, to turning against the people

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that want the weapon, and then ultimately, in a brilliant moment

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in a couple of episodes, I'm dying for turning against them.

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And it really does work very well indeed, and he's a good

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character.

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And it's the last comparison, I promise that I will make DS9

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stay.

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And that is you look at the Dominion in DS9, yeah.

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Every one of those characters is a degra.

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The female shapeshifter, the any Gemadar that we meet, Wei Yun, the

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Cardassians they're collaborating with, they're all all of them

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have got the Degra effects, you know?

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They're all having that amount of effort, whereas the rest of the

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Zindy characters, who the fuck are these people?

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I couldn't tell you their names, let alone their personality.

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Scott McDonald.

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Scott McDonald, right?

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He was in Rocks and Shoals.

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Do you remember Scott McDonald in Rocks and Scholz playing the Jim

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Hadar?

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Do you know the one that we love?

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Tosk.

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Yeah, yeah, Tusk.

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He's played characters with a lot, but whereas here, as the insect

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man or whatever he is, I don't even know what race he is.

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No, he's a he's a reptilian.

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The insects are CG.

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I think.

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But he's just growling and snarling, isn't he?

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And yeah, yeah.

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He's a comic book.

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They're all really low rent characters, I think, which is a great

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shame.

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We'll talk about them when they turn up.

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Um, including the uh, beautiful Rick Worthy as a ape guy, which is

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just so super unfortunate.

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The really terrible makeup on the fellow with the sort, it sort of

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looks a bit like a low rate Tellerite, and I know it's not a

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Tellerite, but it's basically the same idea, just with cotton wool

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all over his face.

327
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Yeah, yeah, that's Rick Wirly.

328
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That's super upsetting.

329
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They've run out of money there, haven't they?

330
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No, he's a handsome man.

331
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Remember Janeway torturing him in equinox?

332
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guy.

333
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Oh, is he?

334
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

335
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

336
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Terrible weight.

337
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Bless him.

338
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Oh, yeah.

339
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Good for him.

340
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You should never get a worse role when you come back, you know.

341
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But you always do when you come back to Enterprise.

342
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But they said to him, look, well, you can have you in a whole

343
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season.

344
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You get whole seasons worth of salary. this on your head.

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Get the cold war on your face. come on Well, I mean, there's lots

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to talk about.

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I think there is.

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I think there is.

349
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Let's watch it, do you think?

350
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Okay.

351
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Yeah.

352
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I mean, I feel as if I've been quite mean in that opening salvo

353
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but that's just because I'm going to spend the episode going, 0 my

354
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god, look at that, you know.

355
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Yeah, yeah.

356
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I think that's that's very likely.

357
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All right.

358
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I will count us in then.

359
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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

360
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So this is called Azati Prime, but the words Azati Prime appear

361
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literally nowhere in dialogue or on the screen or anything like

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that.

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So I'm assuming as Aarti Prime is this planet.

364
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And apparently in an episode called Stratagem about 4 episodes ago

365
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where Archer meets Degra in a kind of...

366
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Oh, that's a great episode.

367
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Have you seen that one?

368
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No, do you know who it's by?

369
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Who the story's by?

370
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No, tell me.

371
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Terry Masilis, who did Picard series 3.

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The premise on that one, they finish, they create a fake shuttle

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and the archer's playing another character.

374
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Oh, great.

375
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Yeah.

376
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Yeah, no, I read the thing.

377
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So that's where he's from because obviously Archer knows him.

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Archer recognises him from his warp signature somehow.

379
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I don't understand that, but okay, he recognises him from his warp

380
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signature, but Degra doesn't recognise Archer.

381
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Now look at this drink, right?

382
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So this is Dangra giving everyone a lovely drink.

383
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They're going to celebrate the completion of the new Zindy

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weapon.

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They're all excited that it can destroy an entire planet.

386
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But he's so fucking cheap that I can't see that he puts any

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alcohol into those glasses at all.

388
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You watch when they raise the glasses.

389
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There's nothing in them.

390
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Nothing.

391
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I mean, they are doing series 7 PS on everything.

392
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You see how they've got like the strategy graphics on the wall and

393
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then all the aliens standing in front of it.

394
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Just who are these people?

395
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Well, the hair. so dumb.

396
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Like the hair is just massively stupid.

397
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Yeah.

398
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All right.

399
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We're going through opening credits.

400
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But I do like Degra. will keep reinforcing that.

401
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Yeah.

402
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I think as a character, he works extremely.

403
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Oh, then a long time.

404
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Get it from there.

405
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You maybe would have changed the theme for this season, right?

406
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The war season.

407
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Yeah, yeah, because, I mean, this whole opening credits is about

408
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going out and exploring.

409
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Oh my god, I've got the, I've got the song.

410
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Are you ready?

411
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I'll sing it for you.

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Oh, my God.

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Well, it sort of ties into how you feel about this as well.

414
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I'm directly talking about the enterprise now as well.

415
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What's that coming over the hill?

416
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Is it a monster?

417
00:19:08.819 --> 00:19:10.079
Is it a monster?

418
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I could have done that instead.

419
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Would you very God?

420
00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:18.779
Yeah, no, absolutely under no circumstances.

421
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No, we love this dad song instead.

422
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

423
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It's so great.

424
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I do still listen to it every time though.

425
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No, I wish I had children, so I could embarrass them by singing it

426
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whenever I watched Enterprise.

427
00:19:33.900 --> 00:19:36.119
And you could do like a proper dad dance, couldn't you?

428
00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:36.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

429
00:19:36.900 --> 00:19:39.059
Swaying your ass about it, you know?

430
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When you come here, should we dance for this?

431
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You might live in room regularly.

432
00:19:43.740 --> 00:19:44.579
Yeah, for sure.

433
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That's a promise.

434
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A verbal promise.

435
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And we'll film it.

436
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It'll go off as untitled Star Trek extras.

437
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Look at that spaceship. isn't it awesome?

438
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So one of the things, too, that I really like about this is that

439
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it's set in a star system and there's a space, you know, it's not

440
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just we just turn up to a planet and we go round the planet.

441
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You know, like it's there's a planetoid, there's a couple of

442
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planets, there's the defence barrier.

443
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You know, like there's, we're in a place that has some kind of

444
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structure to it.

445
00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:17.519
You've given us some Thor.

446
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Yeah, yeah.

447
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I like that.

448
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Again, it's the sort of thing that you do in a film and you tend

449
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not to do in the TV show that where there are relationships

450
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between things.

451
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You know, normally it's just the enterprise circling around a

452
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planet and we go down to the planet and stuff, but this has some

453
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kind of structure, it seems to take place somewhere.

454
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I do agree, but I do wonder if perhaps the form should have been

455
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on the relationships between this indeed, rather than the

456
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structure of the setting that they're in.

457
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But that is, unfortunately, they could. prioritise one of them.

458
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I really want to say, I thought that the crew of Enterprise worked

459
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together well in this episode.

460
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They're there now.

461
00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:04.019
They're 3 seasons in.

462
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The actors are all relaxed together.

463
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They've got a big problem to solve, so you must be very happy, you

464
00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:09.420
know?

465
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

466
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This huge weapon to bring down, which does look quite impressive

467
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that way.

468
00:21:13.740 --> 00:21:14.759
Yeah, yeah, it looks great.

469
00:21:14.819 --> 00:21:17.640
So we're in the shuttle.

470
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Insectoid channel, insectoid shuttle from last week.

471
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And so they've taken the opportunity to actually give Travis

472
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something to do.

473
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And if the stories, mate.

474
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Yeah, and...

475
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

476
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And here's Hoshi having some lines.

477
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She has far fewer lines, but she's a woman.

478
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Although, I imagine, you know, because I usually just miss her

479
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during the action scenes.

480
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She said, look, you're blowing that bridge to shit at the end of

481
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the episode.

482
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I want to be there, all right?

483
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So watch out for her because she's hanging onto the console as a

484
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spa to flow away around.

485
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She's having a great time.

486
00:21:55.920 --> 00:22:00.539
I did think that Travis worked well in this episode.

487
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I thought the bit where he said, no, I should take the bomb in

488
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because I'm the only one that can pilot this shuttle because

489
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that's all I fucking do on this show. was a good moment for him.

490
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Like, it's not amazing, but he got a moment.

491
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Yeah, yeah.

492
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I actually thought the moment was where he gets what you would

493
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think would be Tucker's line where he his training archer and how

494
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to use the shuttle and he says, you're the least expendable man on

495
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the ship.

496
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Why are you going?

497
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And that conversation is really interesting.

498
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Look at that beautiful shot with just...

499
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Yeah, yeah.

500
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Imaginative CGI in this.

501
00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:43.380
And obviously, it isn't quite there yet.

502
00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:45.299
It's not current level CGI.

503
00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:45.960
That's all right.

504
00:22:46.019 --> 00:22:48.480
But they're really trying, aren't they?

505
00:22:48.539 --> 00:22:49.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

506
00:22:49.380 --> 00:22:53.819
Well, I think that this, this thing where, like, they're flying it

507
00:22:53.819 --> 00:22:56.519
really badly, and we get to see it through the viewscreen.

508
00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.579
And even when it bumps, and I did guffaw, even though it's a

509
00:22:59.579 --> 00:23:03.119
really low rent line, a low rent joke, but they smack into

510
00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:07.140
Enterprise, and he says, sorry.

511
00:23:07.140 --> 00:23:13.319
And, um, Arches is no problem with the bill, which I just, like, a

512
00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:15.420
super relaxed thing for him to say.

513
00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:16.319
I thought it was really good.

514
00:23:16.380 --> 00:23:19.799
You know, relax for long in this episode, so let's enjoy it, you

515
00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:19.980
know?

516
00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:21.960
He's so pretty, dressing.

517
00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:23.700
I know. starting to enjoy himself too.

518
00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:25.619
In fact, they're both pretty.

519
00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:27.960
That is a shuttle. would not mind being stuck on.

520
00:23:28.019 --> 00:23:29.099
Yep, yep.

521
00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:30.779
The 2 prettiest people on the ship.

522
00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:35.519
I also notice as well, I think they're lighting the bridge better

523
00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:36.299
than they did.

524
00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:40.200
In series one, it had a very flat sort of overhead lighting.

525
00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:43.740
They're lighting from various sources now.

526
00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:46.380
So it just feels like it's got a sense of depth to it.

527
00:23:46.500 --> 00:23:47.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

528
00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:50.880
I still don't like all the gray, but...

529
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.079
But I don't know.

530
00:23:52.140 --> 00:23:55.859
It is different and I think going different was the right thing to

531
00:23:55.859 --> 00:23:57.299
do, you know, I guess.

532
00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:01.259
Just feel like, I feel like they genuinely looked at the things

533
00:24:01.259 --> 00:24:05.579
that weren't working and they're trying to make, they're trying to

534
00:24:05.579 --> 00:24:06.119
rectify it.

535
00:24:06.180 --> 00:24:10.079
And I think, you know, we've seen 4 series 4 episodes, they get

536
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:10.259
there.

537
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:11.819
Yeah, I think they do.

538
00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:13.380
Just in time to be careful.

539
00:24:13.380 --> 00:24:13.799
Too late.

540
00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:18.359
The axe has already fallen by that point, but never mind.

541
00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:20.460
Never mind.

542
00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:22.200
And so this is Hoshi's bitch.

543
00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:25.079
She's not actually here, but she's created the language model that

544
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:31.500
allows them to communicate with the Zindi insectoids, who were the

545
00:24:31.500 --> 00:24:35.759
main thing last week, I think, in last week's episode, but don't

546
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:36.299
appear here.

547
00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:41.279
They are the most truly terrible primitive CGI, right?

548
00:24:41.339 --> 00:24:43.980
They're trying to do, you know, are they in like?

549
00:24:43.980 --> 00:24:45.359
Species 8472.

550
00:24:45.539 --> 00:24:47.940
Uh, no, they're better than that.

551
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:49.740
You know that Pri Mantis.

552
00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:50.759
It was in that Buffy episode.

553
00:24:50.819 --> 00:24:52.259
They look a bit like that.

554
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:54.299
You know, the teacher, the supply teacher.

555
00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:55.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

556
00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:58.140
But a CGI version of that.

557
00:24:58.200 --> 00:24:59.279
And they can't quite do it.

558
00:24:59.339 --> 00:25:01.799
But they, again, they really are trying.

559
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:06.660
I admire them pushing the limits of what the special effects can

560
00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:06.839
do.

561
00:25:06.900 --> 00:25:08.759
Because they could just be doing latex.

562
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:10.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

563
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:12.660
And they mostly are, but occasionally they're not.

564
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:13.859
The 2 of them are.

565
00:25:13.980 --> 00:25:16.859
You only see them in long shot in this episode when they go under

566
00:25:16.859 --> 00:25:17.279
the water.

567
00:25:17.339 --> 00:25:20.339
But the turtles, when they talk during the scenes where they're

568
00:25:20.339 --> 00:25:22.019
all, you know, on their political.

569
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:23.880
They just go, woo.

570
00:25:25.500 --> 00:25:28.799
So I like this bit a lot, right?

571
00:25:28.859 --> 00:25:35.759
And they, they don't oversell it, but it's definitely a moment and

572
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:40.140
it is, you know, like he makes a choice that he couldn't possibly

573
00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:40.980
make normally.

574
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:44.819
And look, he turns his back to the camera in order to make the

575
00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:48.539
decision and then he makes the decision that he has to kill the 3

576
00:25:48.539 --> 00:25:51.480
people on board that...

577
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:53.819
I didn't wonder how you would think about this. you know.

578
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.160
Yeah, I mean, and she's right.

579
00:25:56.220 --> 00:25:58.500
She's right to call him out on it.

580
00:25:58.559 --> 00:25:59.700
Do you know what I mean?

581
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.960
But, and it is a line that they're crossing and I think that, you

582
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:07.259
know, there's no way that the crew of discovery would do that in a

583
00:26:07.259 --> 00:26:07.859
1000000 years.

584
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:08.759
Do you know what I mean?

585
00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:10.380
They would find some other way of doing it.

586
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:14.279
Um, but, because this is all made up and they don't have to do it

587
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:15.359
if they, do you know what I mean?

588
00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:16.680
If the writers don't want them to.

589
00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:18.299
So they're choosing to do it.

590
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:22.980
But one of the reasons why he decides to go on the mission later

591
00:26:22.980 --> 00:26:24.420
and it doesn't quite work.

592
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:26.759
It's some dialogue that's not quite there.

593
00:26:26.819 --> 00:26:30.539
One of the reasons is that he says, I don't want to order anyone

594
00:26:30.539 --> 00:26:34.200
else's death today, and I'll do it.

595
00:26:34.259 --> 00:26:35.279
I'll go and do it.

596
00:26:35.339 --> 00:26:40.980
And, you know, like, I thought that that was, that, that made his

597
00:26:40.980 --> 00:26:44.039
decision to go more interesting, because otherwise it's just that

598
00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:46.740
usual Star Trek thing that you hate where everyone's falling all

599
00:26:46.740 --> 00:26:48.599
over each other to sacrifice their lives.

600
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.559
Yeah, no one steps over the line and goes, nah, for me.

601
00:26:52.619 --> 00:26:54.119
Actually, I don't I'm not going to do that.

602
00:26:54.180 --> 00:26:58.920
You know, I like to think, though, if sort of Voyager was in a

603
00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:02.759
situation, Janeway would be there going, well, I'm not going.

604
00:27:02.819 --> 00:27:04.259
Have you seen how valuable I am?

605
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:06.000
Ensign Jonas.

606
00:27:06.059 --> 00:27:07.140
Get in the shuttle.

607
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:07.559
Come on.

608
00:27:07.619 --> 00:27:08.819
There'd be a spare.

609
00:27:08.819 --> 00:27:09.420
No one likes you.

610
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:11.160
Oh my god, look at this.

611
00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:12.839
Yeah, so this is great.

612
00:27:12.900 --> 00:27:15.240
The shuttle looks great going down into the water.

613
00:27:15.299 --> 00:27:17.400
It's got a bit that moves on it. looks really cool.

614
00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:19.380
They've had a bit of practice with this, though.

615
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.079
I don't know if you remember the episode where Tom Paris went down

616
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:23.819
to the ocean planet in Voyager.

617
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.880
So they've had a bit of practice going underwater.

618
00:27:26.940 --> 00:27:27.960
Right, okay.

619
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:31.019
I mean, this looks pretty good.

620
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:34.859
The rocks are pretty terrible. cartoony, aren't they?

621
00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:35.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

622
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:39.119
But, you know, like it's something I'm constantly complaining

623
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:42.420
about how boring 90s Star Trek looks and that's great.

624
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:47.099
The big spherical weapon, which is basically like a huge, you know

625
00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:47.880
that ball sphere.

626
00:27:47.940 --> 00:27:49.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

627
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:50.460
It is imposing.

628
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:52.559
And, you know, when it's activated.

629
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:57.900
It's got it's got 2 lattice webs around the outside and they go in

630
00:27:57.900 --> 00:27:59.819
opposing directions. direction.

631
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:01.319
It looks incredible.

632
00:28:01.380 --> 00:28:02.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah. really good.

633
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.440
Look, there you go.

634
00:28:04.500 --> 00:28:05.940
There's some of the aquatic creatures.

635
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:06.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

636
00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:07.140
Yeah.

637
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.059
So they're called Zindiaquatics, I think.

638
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:11.039
Actually, does CGI better than I thought, actually.

639
00:28:11.099 --> 00:28:12.539
Yeah, yeah, I don't think it's bad.

640
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:15.660
I mean, doing the, you know, like doing that object, which they

641
00:28:15.660 --> 00:28:18.359
already have a model for, I think it looks really good.

642
00:28:18.420 --> 00:28:22.380
It's just like, it's just ticking boxes or things I usually

643
00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:23.099
complain about.

644
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:25.259
Hoshi and Travis getting things to do.

645
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:28.920
The visuals are more exciting and dynamic than usual.

646
00:28:28.980 --> 00:28:31.740
They're just addressing a lot of my...

647
00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:34.019
And now we cross fade and they're already back on board.

648
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:35.880
I like that.

649
00:28:35.940 --> 00:28:36.839
Did he?

650
00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:39.420
Yeah, because I just thought the narrative's moving.

651
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:42.960
We're not going to see the whole sequence in reverse as the ship

652
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:43.380
comes out.

653
00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:48.779
I thought, yeah, that's it. get it moving There we go.

654
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:53.279
Initial yield, photonic torpedoes, blah, blah, blah.

655
00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:54.240
Techno battle time.

656
00:28:54.299 --> 00:28:57.000
Well, it's not really techno battle. like we need to take a big

657
00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.519
explosion down there to blow up the thing.

658
00:28:59.579 --> 00:29:01.200
Like, that's not too technical, I think.

659
00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:06.299
I do, actually, the free line of it being a massive bomb that

660
00:29:06.299 --> 00:29:08.940
they're going to send to destroy the entire earth, right?

661
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:12.539
It is the most brainless, simple premise you could possibly hang a

662
00:29:12.539 --> 00:29:13.740
series of Star Trek on.

663
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:16.440
But it is very exciting.

664
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:21.180
Yeah, when the bomb goes and is heading towards Earth in the last

665
00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:23.220
episode, it's really exciting.

666
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:25.680
But, I mean, we do have that.

667
00:29:25.740 --> 00:29:26.700
Do you know what I mean?

668
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.579
Like, we do have that in other seasons of Star Trek in a way that

669
00:29:29.579 --> 00:29:31.380
doesn't require them to abandon the premise.

670
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:32.039
Do you know what I mean?

671
00:29:32.099 --> 00:29:34.200
Like the DMA is heading for Vulcan or whatever.

672
00:29:34.259 --> 00:29:38.519
And, you know, Viga's heading for Earth and the whale thing is

673
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:40.740
heading sucking up the oceans on Earth and stuff.

674
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.859
Any sort of complaints that maybe Star Trek has dumbed down a

675
00:29:43.859 --> 00:29:44.160
little bit.

676
00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:46.799
You know, here we're doing a bomb to stop a bomb.

677
00:29:46.859 --> 00:29:48.180
Yeah, big bomb.

678
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:49.680
There may be some weight in the argument.

679
00:29:49.740 --> 00:29:50.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

680
00:29:50.940 --> 00:29:51.299
Yeah.

681
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:53.880
Now, can we talk about, please?

682
00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:57.359
Because she's undergoing this dreadful?

683
00:29:57.420 --> 00:29:58.079
Oh no, hang on.

684
00:29:58.140 --> 00:29:59.579
We're in this scene.

685
00:29:59.579 --> 00:30:05.039
We're now going to do season exposition for why the war is

686
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:05.519
actually occurring.

687
00:30:05.579 --> 00:30:06.720
Yeah, yeah.

688
00:30:06.779 --> 00:30:11.160
So I hadn't realised, but this is where we find out the actual

689
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:11.700
thing.

690
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:16.380
So we find out the Delphic expanse is caused by the spheres.

691
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.259
We knew they were a feature of the Delphic expanse, but it's

692
00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:23.039
actually creating it, and it's creating it so the sphere builders

693
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:27.119
can live there, and 400 years in the future, the sphere builders

694
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:30.119
are going to try and do it to like basically everywhere.

695
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.720
And the Federation, which by now includes the Klingons, apparently

696
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:39.539
in dialogue, which is new, and some Zindi, are going to find it

697
00:30:39.539 --> 00:30:40.380
back.

698
00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:43.859
And so they've been duped.

699
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:47.700
I've got to say that I wasn't convinced by any of it.

700
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:51.240
Um, and I, you know, as I said at the start of the episode, I was

701
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:55.200
baffled that they hung an entire season on this dreadful premise.

702
00:30:55.259 --> 00:30:58.740
But the thing that truly distracted me during this scene.

703
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:01.019
Was that appalling costume that Daniels is weird?

704
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:02.400
Yeah, it's really strange, isn't it?

705
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:04.799
I know.

706
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.039
It's sort of like a Poundland ball costume.

707
00:31:08.099 --> 00:31:09.119
It is very strange.

708
00:31:09.180 --> 00:31:12.359
I do like that corridor, though, in the big window and what we see

709
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:13.859
going in out the window.

710
00:31:13.980 --> 00:31:14.460
It looks really great.

711
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.059
It's all random ships firing on each other in the distance.

712
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:19.140
Yeah, like that looks pretty great.

713
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:23.579
And it has a sort of slight DS9 sort of vibe to it, you know, like

714
00:31:23.579 --> 00:31:25.859
that dark coloured walls and stuff.

715
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:27.539
Yeah, I think that looks...

716
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:30.660
They're basically doing an exposition scene, but they're saying

717
00:31:30.660 --> 00:31:31.019
no.

718
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:33.539
We don't want to lose the momentum in the episode.

719
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:36.180
Keep it excited. to make sure it happens.

720
00:31:36.180 --> 00:31:38.279
Blowing up, yeah, outside the window.

721
00:31:38.339 --> 00:31:42.660
Yeah, just take him to a lecture theatre and play most PowerPoint

722
00:31:42.660 --> 00:31:45.240
presentation about the Battle of Proce on 5 or whatever.

723
00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:47.519
He has to take you into the middle of it.

724
00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:52.319
But you know, Daniels is like the antithesis of Degra.

725
00:31:52.380 --> 00:31:58.019
He is this irritatingly ambiguous character from the future that

726
00:31:58.019 --> 00:32:03.240
pops up all the time to go, oh, my God, turn left instead of riot

727
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:07.440
you know, the huge consequences for the timeline, and we never get

728
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:08.220
to know him.

729
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:13.380
He's never, he's never a relevant character within the series and

730
00:32:13.380 --> 00:32:15.480
we, they just keep coming back to him.

731
00:32:15.539 --> 00:32:16.079
Stop it.

732
00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:16.799
He's very boring.

733
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:18.299
Do you know who he is?

734
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.880
Oh, God, go on.

735
00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:25.079
No, Discovery, the final episode of Discovery, you find out who

736
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:25.859
Daniels is.

737
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:27.539
Oh, who is he?

738
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.119
Uh, it's um, Kovic.

739
00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:31.980
It's, um, who?

740
00:32:31.980 --> 00:32:34.980
David Crowdenberg's character with the big glasses.

741
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.319
It's not.

742
00:32:37.380 --> 00:32:37.920
Yep.

743
00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:40.380
Oh my god.

744
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:46.259
I mean, God bless Coachman for trying to salvage this bullshit.

745
00:32:46.619 --> 00:32:51.420
It still doesn't make anything they do with Daniel's relevant.

746
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.039
That's kind of cute.

747
00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:55.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a thing.

748
00:32:55.500 --> 00:32:58.859
It's kind of we still love enterprise, even though it's not very

749
00:32:58.859 --> 00:32:59.099
good.

750
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:01.799
The whole temporal cold warping.

751
00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:03.779
It was just so ill charged.

752
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.000
And, well, and so we all defined as well.

753
00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:09.299
But look at what's set up by that scene.

754
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.539
It's not just the Sphere Builders thing.

755
00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:18.119
It's that he has a choice, which is to just continue to try and

756
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:23.640
blow up the weapon, or to stop this the way that Starfleet and the

757
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:26.940
Federation should stop it, which is trying to negotiate.

758
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:31.140
And he fails, he comes too late to blow it up.

759
00:33:31.140 --> 00:33:36.720
And in fact, what we see happen in this episode is the seed sown

760
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:40.259
towards an eventual kind of agreement.

761
00:33:40.259 --> 00:33:42.059
And he loved all of that.

762
00:33:42.059 --> 00:33:43.740
Amusing persuasion.

763
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:44.519
The...

764
00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:48.180
The sequences where Archer gets to talk to Degra and the others

765
00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:50.940
and he and they're like, well, you haven't convinced us.

766
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.079
How are you going to convince them?

767
00:33:52.140 --> 00:33:54.180
And he goes, no, but I've got your attention.

768
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.480
Yeah, I was like, this is, yes, please, more of this.

769
00:33:57.539 --> 00:33:58.500
Yeah, yeah.

770
00:33:58.559 --> 00:33:59.220
It's really good.

771
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:00.599
It's precisely what should happen.

772
00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:01.859
I love this.

773
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:06.119
I love this line where she just blurts out.

774
00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:07.200
I don't want you to die.

775
00:34:07.259 --> 00:34:09.480
And she does it in this emotional way.

776
00:34:09.539 --> 00:34:12.599
And then she backs down with it's not necessary.

777
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:14.820
And he says I wish that was true.

778
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.539
How far they've come from that 1st season.

779
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:24.719
But that is introducing the trillium addiction thing that he has

780
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:26.159
she has going as well.

781
00:34:26.219 --> 00:34:29.820
But it's not explicit here, but it's leading into it for next

782
00:34:29.820 --> 00:34:30.179
episode.

783
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:36.420
It's kind of annoying because I appreciate that they're giving

784
00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:39.780
Jolene Baylock like emotional scenes to do, although there's a bit

785
00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:43.320
at the end of this episode where I wish he dialled it down a bit.

786
00:34:43.380 --> 00:34:44.219
I don't know.

787
00:34:44.340 --> 00:34:45.599
Jesus Christ.

788
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:46.800
It is Meladron.

789
00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:48.119
I said, cut off me.

790
00:34:48.179 --> 00:34:49.920
She goes off like, doesn't she?

791
00:34:49.980 --> 00:34:52.380
Yeah, it's not all that convincing.

792
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:57.420
But, um, you know, I quite like addiction storylines anyway. and

793
00:34:57.420 --> 00:34:58.559
to put a Vulcan in that situation.

794
00:34:58.619 --> 00:35:00.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really interesting.

795
00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:05.940
But I just like the fact that she genuinely feels for these

796
00:35:05.940 --> 00:35:06.239
people.

797
00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:10.559
It's a long running character storyline where she came on the ship

798
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:12.059
all arrogance.

799
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.780
And then by the end of the 1st series realises, no, I don't want

800
00:35:15.780 --> 00:35:16.619
to go back to Vulcan.

801
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:17.579
I want to stay on this ship.

802
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:18.119
I'm learning.

803
00:35:18.179 --> 00:35:22.559
Then she has relationships with people and now she's devastated at

804
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:23.579
the thought of losing people.

805
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:24.900
Yeah, yeah.

806
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:25.860
And I think she's good.

807
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.139
And I think giving her some acting to do is really great.

808
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:29.099
I think it's really good.

809
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:33.360
If only they'd given Hoshi the same sort of limelight, you know?

810
00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:36.059
Because she's great as well, Linda Park.

811
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:39.360
Do you not remember her in that mirror universe episode?

812
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.159
Oh yeah, she was magnificent.

813
00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:42.840
Just superb.

814
00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:44.940
She should have just been that character throughout.

815
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.539
See, this scene is very on the nose.

816
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.360
It is the usual Star Trek thing of just everyone blurting out

817
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.480
their feelings, but you've got 2 decent actors there, even though

818
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:59.340
poor Rick Worthy's covered in that stupid mask. very unpleasant.

819
00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:00.900
Like every time...

820
00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:05.880
Every single day, he does 20 odd episodes of this season and he

821
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.219
has to have that web in all over his...

822
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:08.880
It's so pretty.

823
00:36:08.940 --> 00:36:10.679
Like, he's such an attractive man.

824
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:12.059
And look at...

825
00:36:12.059 --> 00:36:15.119
I never understand it when they make pretty people ugly on

826
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:16.019
television, you know?

827
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.960
You mean when Doctor Who made that pretty man from Desperate

828
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:19.920
Housewives into a peak?

829
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:21.420
Yeah, that was awesome.

830
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.099
Yeah, even like Deadline.

831
00:36:26.099 --> 00:36:27.840
That was a bit static, though, wasn't it?

832
00:36:27.900 --> 00:36:28.739
Yeah, 2 of them.

833
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:29.940
The camera barely moved.

834
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:33.719
But that line where, you know, remember it for our children or

835
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.119
something and he says, yes, but I wonder how they'll remember us.

836
00:36:36.179 --> 00:36:39.659
I thought that was pretty good too Yeah, so this is the scene that

837
00:36:39.659 --> 00:36:46.619
I quite liked where Archer explains why he's doing it.

838
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:50.219
And the reason I don't think it lands is because it reaches back

839
00:36:50.219 --> 00:36:53.579
to a previous episode, which I think is called similitude

840
00:36:53.579 --> 00:36:56.099
where...

841
00:36:56.099 --> 00:36:57.900
A really interesting episode of similitude.

842
00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:58.199
Yeah.

843
00:36:58.260 --> 00:37:01.079
He talks about the other Travis that they have made.

844
00:37:01.139 --> 00:37:03.360
It's another traversies, eh?

845
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:07.440
another Travis, a clone of Travis, yeah, and basically, he's got a

846
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.619
short span life and he, as usual, the tubing star.

847
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:11.940
And Travis doesn't know about it.

848
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:13.320
So, but yeah.

849
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:15.599
So he's telling Travis.

850
00:37:15.659 --> 00:37:19.320
So he's killed at Travis and he's told Travis.

851
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:20.699
What am I talking about, Tucker, isn't it?

852
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:21.420
It's Tucker.

853
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:21.840
Yeah, yeah.

854
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:23.219
I'm getting their names.

855
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.940
I didn't think they would have an episode about Travis dying in

856
00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:28.260
this show. grief, no.

857
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.559
Although, I do wonder, you know, because he gets, you know, 5 or 6

858
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:32.519
scenes in this episode.

859
00:37:32.579 --> 00:37:36.119
If Anthony Montgomery wallpapered his toilet with his script or

860
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:39.000
something, just to remind him of a time that he'd been in the

861
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:39.179
show.

862
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:44.340
So again, I never believe the relationship between Scott Bacula

863
00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:44.760
and the dog.

864
00:37:44.820 --> 00:37:47.400
And the dog, he just shows no interest in the dog.

865
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.039
Like, he's saying, like, forever.

866
00:37:50.099 --> 00:37:51.360
Yeah, yeah.

867
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.039
Before we started this call, right?

868
00:37:53.099 --> 00:37:57.420
Nathan picked up one of his most adorable doggies and cuddled him

869
00:37:57.420 --> 00:38:00.000
and the way they were nestling into each other, it melted my

870
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:00.239
heart.

871
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:03.119
The way you just touched that dog's head.

872
00:38:03.179 --> 00:38:03.840
Yeah, his face.

873
00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:04.860
It's very strange.

874
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.800
And then, like, the dog, the dog clearly has never met Scott back

875
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.659
in number four, because he's not looking at him once.

876
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:11.699
Yeah, no, not interested.

877
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:13.079
Oh, here we go.

878
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.619
This is this has got to be Manikoto, because this is the scene

879
00:38:16.619 --> 00:38:20.219
where he says, remember when this was 1st launched?

880
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.159
And remember why we launched this ship.

881
00:38:23.219 --> 00:38:27.599
We were explorers then and we should be explorers again one day.

882
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:28.980
It's our point worth making.

883
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:30.119
Yeah. yep.

884
00:38:30.179 --> 00:38:31.019
Yeah.

885
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:34.380
And I think, you know, we need to hear it.

886
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.260
I think I want you to get back to that job when this is all I

887
00:38:37.260 --> 00:38:37.800
want.

888
00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:41.880
That's all great, but the emotional resonance of him going off to

889
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:44.579
sacrifice himself is just so it's not there, is it?

890
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:46.739
We know he's not going to die.

891
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:47.340
Yeah.

892
00:38:47.340 --> 00:38:50.159
Oh, no, I'm going to make another comparison.

893
00:38:50.219 --> 00:38:53.219
I'm so sorry Do you remember Cisco leaving at the end of 5 when

894
00:38:53.219 --> 00:38:54.599
the Dominion takeover the station?

895
00:38:54.659 --> 00:38:57.719
And he says to everybody on the promenade, I will be back here

896
00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:58.800
where I belong.

897
00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:00.239
Just wait.

898
00:39:00.300 --> 00:39:01.980
And it really means something.

899
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:05.400
The whole premise of the show is under threat and he's going and

900
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.079
it moves you.

901
00:39:07.139 --> 00:39:10.320
Whereas this is like, well we know he's going to be in next week's

902
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:10.559
episode.

903
00:39:10.619 --> 00:39:11.400
Why we doing this?

904
00:39:11.460 --> 00:39:13.800
Yeah, yeah, it is stupid, isn't it?

905
00:39:13.860 --> 00:39:14.880
Like, it is stupid.

906
00:39:14.940 --> 00:39:19.559
We can't believe it for a 2nd because we know how TV works.

907
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:23.039
Now, if that had been Ensign Jonas, given that speech, going.

908
00:39:23.099 --> 00:39:23.940
Hello, everybody.

909
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:28.079
I know I'm brilliant with a call spanner, but do your best and be

910
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:28.980
explorers again.

911
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.199
We might have felt something because who cares about that guy?

912
00:39:31.260 --> 00:39:32.159
Yeah, that's right.

913
00:39:32.219 --> 00:39:32.760
He'll be dead.

914
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.159
Here we go now.

915
00:39:35.219 --> 00:39:37.199
He's off on the mission towards that star.

916
00:39:37.260 --> 00:39:40.139
Yeah, see, space, a sense of space.

917
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:43.199
Um, So what?

918
00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:47.519
Oh, so now we've got the scene where she leaves where she leaves

919
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:48.539
the bridge, right?

920
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.480
Because she can't kind of stay here and watch what's going on.

921
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:53.159
Yeah.

922
00:39:53.219 --> 00:39:56.039
She crumples against the wall when tears.

923
00:39:56.099 --> 00:39:58.380
The tears thing, I think, works really well.

924
00:39:58.440 --> 00:39:59.460
She doesn't ever play it.

925
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:00.960
It's just one tier.

926
00:40:01.019 --> 00:40:02.039
It's quite sweet actually.

927
00:40:02.099 --> 00:40:02.820
Yeah.

928
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:07.920
And it kind of works because it could just plausibly be her

929
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:12.420
feeling something about Archer.

930
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:13.800
It should be.

931
00:40:13.860 --> 00:40:14.400
It should.

932
00:40:14.460 --> 00:40:15.420
I think it should.

933
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:18.780
And I think, like, let, you know, we get this episode to just

934
00:40:18.780 --> 00:40:20.039
think that maybe that's it.

935
00:40:20.099 --> 00:40:23.699
And it's not that she's possessed or anything like that.

936
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:24.900
These are her emotions.

937
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:27.659
She just doesn't have the controller she would normally have.

938
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:31.980
And this pays off something that where he's holding that lever.

939
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:34.739
I love this shot.

940
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.260
Look at that. except the foam is absolute shit.

941
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.139
But flying across the ocean always looks really good.

942
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:41.519
Like, I think that's amazing.

943
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:43.320
Big splash.

944
00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:44.219
We do like a big splash.

945
00:40:44.340 --> 00:40:48.179
The big splash was very computer generation, you know, that close

946
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.840
up on Jolene Blaylock there with the tier would be the best close

947
00:40:51.059 --> 00:40:52.800
ups you get in the whole episode.

948
00:40:52.860 --> 00:40:56.219
But the way the camera goes in on her, at the end, close up at the

949
00:40:56.219 --> 00:40:56.940
end.

950
00:40:56.940 --> 00:40:59.639
And her whole face just goes, oh, we're fucked.

951
00:41:01.500 --> 00:41:04.739
It's the best close up in Enterprise ever.

952
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:07.559
Oh dear.

953
00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:10.739
And you know I've got a bit of a thing about ceilings, or just you

954
00:41:10.739 --> 00:41:11.039
wait.

955
00:41:11.099 --> 00:41:12.360
There's a great twist coming.

956
00:41:12.420 --> 00:41:13.260
In the episode.

957
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:14.579
Yeah, yeah.

958
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:19.380
And it will turn up again in the following episode, the ceiling.

959
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.059
So we'll point it out when it happens.

960
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.280
I would like to say that.

961
00:41:23.340 --> 00:41:27.179
I know you said something nice about the ship earlier.

962
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:29.940
Yeah, it looks a bit like a manta ray or something like that, you

963
00:41:29.940 --> 00:41:30.179
know.

964
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:35.639
Um, they're just not, think of the Gemadar ships, yeah.

965
00:41:35.699 --> 00:41:37.260
Think of the Klingon ships.

966
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.539
They're just so striking.

967
00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:42.239
And I do think they're all right.

968
00:41:42.300 --> 00:41:43.079
The ships in this.

969
00:41:43.139 --> 00:41:45.840
The 4 ships that surround Enterprise at the end are so bog

970
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:46.380
standard.

971
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:50.519
Well, but I think that they're sort of excitingly sort of curvy

972
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:53.880
and stuff, you know, they're not the usual just sort of angles and

973
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:54.179
things.

974
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:58.679
I think, you know, we had 7 years to get used to what all of those

975
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:00.659
ships look like and often longer.

976
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:04.320
I think these are still interesting ship designs, but we just

977
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:06.059
don't see them very much.

978
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:06.960
That's all.

979
00:42:07.019 --> 00:42:11.159
I just think it like a ship should be really striking in

980
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:11.940
silhouette.

981
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:13.860
And some of these are and some of them aren't.

982
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:17.039
Because I thought that that opening shot with that sort of strange

983
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:20.639
copper ship with the purple lights on it looked amazing.

984
00:42:21.059 --> 00:42:25.440
Like the only sort of in the final battle, the only reason I was

985
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:27.960
figuring that they were winning was because it was 4 against one

986
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:29.820
not because they were superior ships.

987
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:31.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

988
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:36.719
Oh, I really, really love chemistry between Connor Trinier and

989
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:40.139
Jolene Blaylock because, and throughout this season, right?

990
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:44.639
He's he's been suffering from muscle atrophy or something.

991
00:42:44.699 --> 00:42:45.900
I can't remember what's going on at all.

992
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:48.780
Anyway, there's loads of scenes where she has to give him massages

993
00:42:48.780 --> 00:42:49.079
okay?

994
00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:49.920
Yeah.

995
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.320
In sort of candle lights and all of this.

996
00:42:52.380 --> 00:42:55.320
She's going, ah, I've got Conor Trinier coming to my quarter.

997
00:42:55.380 --> 00:42:57.420
I'm going to shush it up a bit.

998
00:42:57.480 --> 00:42:59.460
And they're getting closer to each other.

999
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:04.019
But they are genuinely sensual scenes in a way that the

1000
00:43:04.019 --> 00:43:06.780
decontamination chamber is just right.

1001
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:07.619
Yeah, yeah.

1002
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:10.320
And I don't know, I'll just buy it.

1003
00:43:10.380 --> 00:43:11.340
I buy the relationship.

1004
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:16.019
I buy the chemistry and, you know, it makes that decision in the

1005
00:43:16.019 --> 00:43:18.599
last episode to just bump him off for no reason.

1006
00:43:18.659 --> 00:43:22.920
More annoying, you know, and to lose the kid and all that bullshit

1007
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:23.880
they do at the age.

1008
00:43:23.940 --> 00:43:24.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1009
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:29.099
Well, it's funny the, um, like that scene there works really well

1010
00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:36.539
because she's suffering from, uh, a lack of emotional control and

1011
00:43:36.539 --> 00:43:39.480
because he's getting to her because he's being kind to her and

1012
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:42.119
showing her sympathy and stuff and threatening to kind of break

1013
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:45.420
down those barriers, she just orders him out of the room because

1014
00:43:45.420 --> 00:43:46.860
she can't kind of take it.

1015
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:48.780
And that's not stated or anything.

1016
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:51.659
It's just subtext for change, but it's clear what's going on.

1017
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.840
So this is this horrible torture scene that you said was so

1018
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:55.139
boring.

1019
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:56.639
It's just terrible.

1020
00:43:56.699 --> 00:43:59.280
The dialogue is really half-assed.

1021
00:43:59.340 --> 00:44:00.780
I like how it's shot.

1022
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:02.760
The lighting is nice and I like the fact that there's so much

1023
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:03.659
blood all over his face.

1024
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:05.219
Like you've been brutalised.

1025
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.460
They're looking at a low angle shot there with a dramatic light

1026
00:44:08.460 --> 00:44:09.659
from above.

1027
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:13.079
No, no, but it's a bit more interesting than point and shoot.

1028
00:44:13.139 --> 00:44:14.400
Back to next gen.

1029
00:44:14.460 --> 00:44:16.019
Yeah, yeah.

1030
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:19.260
But it's just so the dialogue is so lazy.

1031
00:44:19.380 --> 00:44:20.940
It really is.

1032
00:44:21.179 --> 00:44:22.980
And it is like, what's he trying to do?

1033
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.860
Like, what is Archer trying to do?

1034
00:44:26.579 --> 00:44:29.280
You know, is he trying to occupy?

1035
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:30.239
Like, what's his?

1036
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:31.440
I think he wants him to kill him, doesn't he?

1037
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:32.940
You're trying to make me kill you.

1038
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:34.019
Like why, though?

1039
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:40.199
He wants them to kill him. because he doesn't want to go back to

1040
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:42.599
Enterprise because he'll be embarrassed because he made such a

1041
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:42.900
fuss.

1042
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.239
And it's just like, oh, you remember how much of a captain would

1043
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:48.599
kill himself again, but then he ended up. series one and two.

1044
00:44:48.659 --> 00:44:49.980
Remember how angry we got with him.

1045
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:52.800
Maybe like, this is all just like, this is satisfying for us

1046
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.380
because finally it's getting pummelling, you know?

1047
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:56.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1048
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:57.059
I don't know.

1049
00:44:57.300 --> 00:44:59.099
I do not know.

1050
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.219
All I know is Paul Scott McDonald is better than this dialogue.

1051
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:04.679
Yeah, yeah, it is terrible, isn't it?

1052
00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:09.480
Some evolved into snakes, alligators, turtles, but they all had

1053
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:11.940
brains the size of walnut. or something.

1054
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:13.079
Is that a thing?

1055
00:45:13.139 --> 00:45:15.960
I don't think that that's exactly how it works either.

1056
00:45:16.019 --> 00:45:21.119
I think that um, I don't think that dinosaurs evolved into

1057
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:22.980
crocodiles and things at all.

1058
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.679
I'm not stupid lying about turtle soup.

1059
00:45:25.739 --> 00:45:27.239
Yeah, yeah, what are you doing?

1060
00:45:27.300 --> 00:45:28.619
tasting like we ate turtles.

1061
00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:33.599
They can put as much blood on his face as they want, yeah.

1062
00:45:33.659 --> 00:45:37.260
Nothing will be as horrific as Scabby Odo in that torch.

1063
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:39.480
That was horrific.

1064
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:44.280
Well, part of the thing too is that he doesn't he doesn't act like

1065
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:45.900
his face is tender.

1066
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:46.679
Do you know what I mean?

1067
00:45:46.739 --> 00:45:50.460
Like, it hurts to move it. do like his hands.

1068
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:54.480
No, look at the massive gloves that he's wearing.

1069
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.119
But they look like crocodile hands.

1070
00:45:57.179 --> 00:45:59.219
Like we, I've eaten crocodile.

1071
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:00.780
And I remember...

1072
00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:01.260
How was it?

1073
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:02.280
Yeah, it's all right.

1074
00:46:02.340 --> 00:46:02.940
Tast like chicken.

1075
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:05.460
No, no.

1076
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:08.340
It's a bit fishy and a bit like chicken.

1077
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.119
But the crocodile that we bought, like the arms were skin, but the

1078
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:16.559
hands were kind of intact and they looked heaps like those hands

1079
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:18.059
like super gross.

1080
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:19.860
Like horrible human hands.

1081
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:21.420
The meals you eat, Nathan.

1082
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:22.559
I know.

1083
00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:25.920
I'll stick to my Walton's bread and cheese, thanks.

1084
00:46:26.699 --> 00:46:28.260
Yum.

1085
00:46:28.860 --> 00:46:31.199
You don't like cheese on toast?

1086
00:46:31.260 --> 00:46:32.099
No, I do.

1087
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.320
It's one of the great glories of being human, I think.

1088
00:46:34.380 --> 00:46:35.400
It's great.

1089
00:46:35.460 --> 00:46:38.159
Look, this scene is still going on.

1090
00:46:38.219 --> 00:46:42.059
No, and it is super boring because I don't know what anyone wants

1091
00:46:42.059 --> 00:46:43.320
or what's going on.

1092
00:46:43.380 --> 00:46:44.039
Do you know what I mean?

1093
00:46:44.099 --> 00:46:47.460
Yes, seeing your precious captain, the head of the entire show

1094
00:46:47.460 --> 00:46:48.360
being tortured.

1095
00:46:48.420 --> 00:46:49.679
It should be riveting.

1096
00:46:49.739 --> 00:46:50.699
Yeah, yeah.

1097
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:51.360
Yeah.

1098
00:46:51.420 --> 00:46:55.800
But I don't know why it's happening or what...

1099
00:46:55.860 --> 00:46:58.320
No, because she's an idiot would be upsetting.

1100
00:46:58.380 --> 00:46:59.699
Oh that's true.

1101
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.500
Plus, she's too clever for that, you know.

1102
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:02.579
Yeah, that's right.

1103
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.599
So have you noticed the extra nostrils that all those indies have

1104
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:07.619
just under their noses?

1105
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:12.719
Like no matter what, they're making up for those animated people

1106
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:13.739
that add no noses.

1107
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:14.519
They've got two.

1108
00:47:14.579 --> 00:47:15.420
Yeah, yeah.

1109
00:47:15.420 --> 00:47:20.699
So, uh, boreals and reptilians and humans all have these extra

1110
00:47:20.699 --> 00:47:24.119
nostrils just to the left of just outside their eyes.

1111
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:27.840
I like to think there's sort of a chart on the wall because

1112
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:30.059
obviously they've got to invent all these aliens, yeah.

1113
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.840
And so there's, you know, there's different layers for the chart

1114
00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:37.199
nose ears, mouths, things like this.

1115
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:37.920
Things of dice.

1116
00:47:37.980 --> 00:47:40.559
Like they throw...

1117
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:44.159
They throw 2 dice for a number of additional nostrils.

1118
00:47:44.219 --> 00:47:46.380
I've thrown one dice.

1119
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:47.280
Okay, mouth.

1120
00:47:47.340 --> 00:47:49.079
I've thrown another three.

1121
00:47:49.139 --> 00:47:50.760
Three mouths on this one please.

1122
00:47:50.820 --> 00:47:52.199
Yeah, yeah.

1123
00:47:52.260 --> 00:47:53.579
Yeah. that's how that works.

1124
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:55.320
Oh, God, oh, my.

1125
00:47:55.860 --> 00:47:58.860
Thank God they went to CGI then, eh?

1126
00:47:58.920 --> 00:47:59.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1127
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:00.599
That's right.

1128
00:48:00.659 --> 00:48:03.539
But again, look, here she's doing what we should have done all

1129
00:48:03.539 --> 00:48:09.659
along, which is dialogue and negotiation, and she doesn't even

1130
00:48:09.659 --> 00:48:11.639
have, or does she?

1131
00:48:11.699 --> 00:48:12.900
Does she have the information?

1132
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.139
Yes, because Archer was explaining it to her.

1133
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:19.739
But what she doesn't have is the stupid coin thing that's in his

1134
00:48:19.739 --> 00:48:20.820
left pocket.

1135
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:21.960
Do you know what I mean?

1136
00:48:22.019 --> 00:48:26.099
The coin that uh, he gives Degra, the coin that belonged to the

1137
00:48:26.099 --> 00:48:27.059
guy from the future.

1138
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:31.199
You've really made me look at 90s trek.

1139
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:34.199
I know we're sort of in 2000s Trek now, but.

1140
00:48:34.500 --> 00:48:37.679
You made me look at this period of Star Trek in a new way.

1141
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.920
In that, how many scenes are there where people aren't just

1142
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:44.219
explaining what they're feeling and they're actually just allowed

1143
00:48:44.219 --> 00:48:47.099
to act it on the screen without dialogue.

1144
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:47.400
Yeah.

1145
00:48:47.460 --> 00:48:51.119
And I think there's a little more of that than you think.

1146
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:51.960
Than I give it credit for.

1147
00:48:52.019 --> 00:48:56.039
Yeah, especially in DS9, where they trust the actors, because we

1148
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:57.900
point out quite a lot of that. lately.

1149
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.800
But this is a good example of that because when she's in the

1150
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:04.920
quarters and there's just that single tier, yeah. we're allowed to

1151
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:08.400
trust that we know what she's feeling, that's really moving. when

1152
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.099
we get the explanation of what's going on, you know, the drug

1153
00:49:11.099 --> 00:49:13.019
addiction, that's really boring.

1154
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:17.159
And later on, when she's, you know, get off of me and all this

1155
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:18.239
that's just really terrible.

1156
00:49:18.300 --> 00:49:22.260
So I just wish they would do a bit more of that, you know, just

1157
00:49:22.260 --> 00:49:24.179
let them act silently.

1158
00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:26.219
Yeah, that's right.

1159
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:27.659
Stop giving them dialogue.

1160
00:49:28.739 --> 00:49:31.500
You're trying to be more cinematic.

1161
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:34.500
Nothing more cinematic than cutting all the dialogue, you know?

1162
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:35.280
that's right.

1163
00:49:35.340 --> 00:49:37.019
Stand around talking.

1164
00:49:37.260 --> 00:49:39.719
Do you remember the motion picture?

1165
00:49:39.780 --> 00:49:43.199
Don't think there was a line in that. that was awesome. gorgeous.

1166
00:49:43.260 --> 00:49:45.119
Yeah, look at this.

1167
00:49:45.179 --> 00:49:46.320
He is good, this guy.

1168
00:49:46.380 --> 00:49:48.539
The guy in this dag is really great.

1169
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:52.559
It's actually, it is a loss to the season when he dies because

1170
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:54.360
then you've just got the comic villains left.

1171
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:56.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1172
00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:59.340
But I think Bacula's great here too.

1173
00:50:00.900 --> 00:50:03.719
And he's being given something.

1174
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:06.780
Like that Daniel scene, I think, had some visual interest.

1175
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:11.519
It had some stuff, you know, like getting to see the 400 years in

1176
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:16.500
the future, what's that, the 26th century or the 25th century.

1177
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:17.219
That's kind of fun.

1178
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:18.420
We haven't been there before.

1179
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:22.739
It gives us a little bit of law and it explains, it gives him the

1180
00:50:22.739 --> 00:50:27.179
information that he's now using to persuade Degra not to go ahead

1181
00:50:27.179 --> 00:50:30.719
with the weapon, the thing that will eventually save them.

1182
00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:35.099
You know, Daniels does give that information, and when just by

1183
00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:38.579
sheer accident, his suicide mission fails and he has no

1184
00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:42.539
alternative, but to do what Daniel says, and it works out for the

1185
00:50:42.539 --> 00:50:42.780
best.

1186
00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:45.840
And at times he's...

1187
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:47.699
Scott Bakula was charming all along.

1188
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:51.119
And this where he says, yes, I don't buy it either.

1189
00:50:51.179 --> 00:50:54.119
It's stupid. didn't believe it when I was told.

1190
00:50:54.179 --> 00:50:56.159
Just show up. might be true.

1191
00:50:56.219 --> 00:50:57.119
No way.

1192
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:00.599
Quantum dating something from the future.

1193
00:51:00.659 --> 00:51:03.059
How the fuck do you determine?

1194
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:04.019
Something is from the future.

1195
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:07.500
Well, it's like carbon dating only goes backwards, you see.

1196
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:11.880
I don't know Well, no, they go, well, it's a material that doesn't

1197
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:15.719
possibly exist now. 100 years old, you know.

1198
00:51:16.019 --> 00:51:18.900
But it's so Brandenbraga.

1199
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:20.219
You just said it again there, yeah?

1200
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:23.579
In that scene, that exposition scene with Daniels.

1201
00:51:23.699 --> 00:51:25.619
We seeing all this stuff 400 years in the future.

1202
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:26.820
Who gives a fuck about that?

1203
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:28.019
Like, who cares?

1204
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:31.679
Oh, no, I think that there's a particular Star Trek pleasure to be

1205
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:32.099
had in that.

1206
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:35.940
You know, it's the it's the memory alpha writing memory alpha

1207
00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:36.360
pleasure.

1208
00:51:36.420 --> 00:51:41.039
But like a timeline that probably will never be is informing this

1209
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:42.480
entire season.

1210
00:51:42.539 --> 00:51:45.480
We saw it on telly, whether it was never real anyway, whether it

1211
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:46.320
gets to be or not.

1212
00:51:46.380 --> 00:51:49.980
What you get is a sort of fairly interesting scene, some steaks

1213
00:51:49.980 --> 00:51:50.940
something a bit interesting.

1214
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:54.420
Oh, Jesus, it's certainly better than Rick Worthy with a fucking

1215
00:51:54.420 --> 00:51:56.099
latex bag over his head.

1216
00:51:56.219 --> 00:51:57.719
So, uh...

1217
00:51:57.719 --> 00:51:59.099
A council must be informed.

1218
00:51:59.159 --> 00:51:59.760
Now come on.

1219
00:51:59.940 --> 00:52:01.739
All those Cs.

1220
00:52:01.739 --> 00:52:04.800
Between Damar and Wayne, you know?

1221
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:05.940
I'm about to say.

1222
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:10.019
Like, these are so boring, these scenes, because I don't know what

1223
00:52:10.019 --> 00:52:10.800
anyone wants.

1224
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:13.920
And maybe if I'd been watching the season through, I have a better

1225
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:17.340
idea and but do I?

1226
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:17.880
Would I?

1227
00:52:17.940 --> 00:52:20.219
I'm going to say some lines to you now.

1228
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:20.579
Okay.

1229
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:22.739
Do you remember Wagoon looking at Tamar?

1230
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:26.219
My predecessor's death in a transporter accident?

1231
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:30.179
Or even better, the female shapeshifter?

1232
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:33.599
When will our cloning facility come back online with?

1233
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:37.199
There's just none of that here, though, is there?

1234
00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:39.659
No, it's super it's super bad.

1235
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:44.400
Oh, this is the bit where Jolene unfortunately does go into sort

1236
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:45.840
of data on the soap territory now.

1237
00:52:45.900 --> 00:52:48.179
I like thinking to do that.

1238
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:51.420
It was almost, I was Robert Duncan McNeil-esque.

1239
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:52.800
I was thinking when she started shouting.

1240
00:52:52.860 --> 00:52:56.159
I think the problem is that they forget that she's supposed to be

1241
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.500
stronger than him and it would have just been much more fun had

1242
00:52:58.500 --> 00:53:01.199
she been able to throw him against the wall rather than kind

1243
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:02.280
of...

1244
00:53:02.340 --> 00:53:03.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1245
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:05.039
Actually, no.

1246
00:53:05.099 --> 00:53:06.179
Please don't punch him.

1247
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:08.699
He's going to have a terrible time at the end of the episode.

1248
00:53:09.900 --> 00:53:13.860
That engineering set, I mean, is there anything left of it in the

1249
00:53:13.860 --> 00:53:14.340
next episode?

1250
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.019
It's pretty great.

1251
00:53:16.139 --> 00:53:18.239
They seal it off, don't they?

1252
00:53:18.300 --> 00:53:19.980
I think these ships are okay.

1253
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:20.880
What are you complaining about?

1254
00:53:20.940 --> 00:53:22.079
4 ships.

1255
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:27.000
No, compare them to the fabulous bugs of the Gemadar ships, you

1256
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:27.119
know?

1257
00:53:27.179 --> 00:53:27.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1258
00:53:27.780 --> 00:53:30.840
Or they're culling on cruisers swooping into a planet.

1259
00:53:30.900 --> 00:53:35.460
But how many years like we 1st got to see those Klingon cruises in

1260
00:53:35.460 --> 00:53:37.559
like 1983 or something?

1261
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:38.460
Lodging along.

1262
00:53:38.460 --> 00:53:39.900
Not of work.

1263
00:53:43.019 --> 00:53:43.860
I don't know.

1264
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:44.460
Do you know what?

1265
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:47.760
I kept thinking that thing hanging down was boom, trying to pick

1266
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:48.659
up the dialogue.

1267
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:51.960
I don't know what it is The thing that you chain Archer 2.

1268
00:53:52.139 --> 00:53:56.760
Oh, no, it's it's um, it's got McDonald's sex dungeon, you see?

1269
00:53:56.820 --> 00:53:59.579
I think it is a boom mite, but they're just pretending.

1270
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:02.039
No, no, no, I think it's got leather and stuff.

1271
00:54:02.099 --> 00:54:03.179
It's got straps on it.

1272
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:04.260
You look at it closely.

1273
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:06.960
It is definitely a sex dungeon thing for sure.

1274
00:54:07.019 --> 00:54:10.079
I do appreciate that they turn the lights down, but maybe a bit

1275
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:12.539
too much that you can't actually see the performance in this

1276
00:54:12.539 --> 00:54:12.780
scene.

1277
00:54:12.900 --> 00:54:15.900
But I mean, it is just them standing around talking about things

1278
00:54:15.900 --> 00:54:18.900
that they talked about in the previous scene with him and Degra.

1279
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:22.019
Like, we don't need... fighting the same enemy, Nathan.

1280
00:54:22.139 --> 00:54:25.380
Yes, but why are we talking about it again in this scene?

1281
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:28.019
Oh, for fuck's sakes.

1282
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:31.739
Quantum dating has produced inaccurate readings before.

1283
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:35.099
Yes, I was aware of that He put himself for action school for that

1284
00:54:35.099 --> 00:54:35.519
line.

1285
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:36.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1286
00:54:36.539 --> 00:54:36.780
Yeah.

1287
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:39.840
So that's Tucker Smallwood, who I think has been in other things

1288
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:40.440
as well.

1289
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:43.380
Is that Tucker Smallwood from home?

1290
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.119
The exile episode Cho.

1291
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.500
Is he the, is he the... the one that gets murdered by the mutant.

1292
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:50.760
You know, he locks the door.

1293
00:54:50.820 --> 00:54:52.920
It's so scary that bit.

1294
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:55.500
That that is such a great episode.

1295
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:56.460
It's so gross.

1296
00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:58.320
He's so pretty.

1297
00:54:58.380 --> 00:55:00.539
Unbelievably horrible, that episode.

1298
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:02.099
That's why I like it, though.

1299
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:04.440
It's the closest the exiles ever got to true horror.

1300
00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:06.360
Well, in fact, they don't repeat it.

1301
00:55:06.420 --> 00:55:07.500
They skip it.

1302
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:07.980
Oh here we go.

1303
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:11.400
Why are we talking about the X-Files when the Enterprise has been

1304
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:12.119
blown to shit?

1305
00:55:12.179 --> 00:55:14.820
Yeah, now this is actually pretty great.

1306
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:15.659
Okay.

1307
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:19.679
Rocks, rocks, more rocks.

1308
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:24.119
Oh my god, more rocks, more rocks, more fireworks going off.

1309
00:55:24.179 --> 00:55:28.619
These huge lung head asshole comes in in a minute.

1310
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:31.019
That explosion was so strong it blew a man off his feet.

1311
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:32.579
Yeah, woo hoo.

1312
00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:34.619
The Scarball Michelle's gone.

1313
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:35.460
We're dead in the water.

1314
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:36.300
We can't even move.

1315
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1316
00:55:38.219 --> 00:55:41.280
No, you think this is the point where DSI would stop, right?

1317
00:55:41.340 --> 00:55:42.960
We've blown up the sets a bit. enough.

1318
00:55:43.019 --> 00:55:44.880
You know, no, they keep going now.

1319
00:55:44.940 --> 00:55:46.199
It's really good.

1320
00:55:46.619 --> 00:55:48.900
The ceiling coming down in the bridge.

1321
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:50.219
I mean, that is incredible.

1322
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:52.800
It looks so cheap, but it's great.

1323
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:55.500
Travis, move.

1324
00:55:56.699 --> 00:55:58.980
All the wires hanging.

1325
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:02.159
Yeah, and they clear it away at the beginning of damage.

1326
00:56:02.219 --> 00:56:06.420
You actually see them carry that thing offset in damage. damage

1327
00:56:06.420 --> 00:56:06.599
right?

1328
00:56:06.659 --> 00:56:08.340
It's in my imagination. in damage.

1329
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:10.980
Is there always someone in the background with like sparks flying

1330
00:56:10.980 --> 00:56:11.880
doing repair?

1331
00:56:11.940 --> 00:56:12.599
all over the place.

1332
00:56:12.659 --> 00:56:15.539
Like the whole thing has gone to shit and it really, really sells

1333
00:56:15.539 --> 00:56:17.400
how desperately, how desperate they are.

1334
00:56:17.460 --> 00:56:20.579
Sound effects of like the whole buckle in.

1335
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:24.119
Yes, just really. really great atmosphere.

1336
00:56:24.179 --> 00:56:25.739
Sound effects are really great.

1337
00:56:25.860 --> 00:56:27.900
Well, you didn't mention the music for this episode because we

1338
00:56:27.900 --> 00:56:29.639
can't hear it, but the music, I think, is J.

1339
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:30.360
Chataway again.

1340
00:56:30.420 --> 00:56:34.860
And the music at the end, it all comes to a culmination onto

1341
00:56:34.860 --> 00:56:40.079
Powell's face and it's like, oh, it's one of the things that they

1342
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:41.039
get right, though.

1343
00:56:41.099 --> 00:56:42.059
Do you know what I mean?

1344
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:45.059
It's kind of like they have a very sort of definite, the music

1345
00:56:45.059 --> 00:56:50.099
should be wallpaper mostly policy, and they've just ignored it

1346
00:56:50.099 --> 00:56:54.659
here, and this is kind of like classic, you know, TOS style music

1347
00:56:54.659 --> 00:56:55.980
where it's really...

1348
00:56:56.039 --> 00:56:57.539
I imagine in the meetings.

1349
00:56:57.599 --> 00:56:59.880
We've got a battle scene in this episode and they all look at each

1350
00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:02.639
other and go, get chat away on the phone.

1351
00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:03.119
Come on.

1352
00:57:03.179 --> 00:57:05.340
He's the only one that can do it.

1353
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:08.219
Look at their ships blowing up.

1354
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:09.960
Surrounding the interpress.

1355
00:57:10.019 --> 00:57:13.139
And I love the fact that the camera swings sort of Battlestar

1356
00:57:13.139 --> 00:57:17.280
Galactica style around the ship, and you see holes in the ship.

1357
00:57:17.340 --> 00:57:18.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1358
00:57:18.539 --> 00:57:19.079
It's amazing.

1359
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:21.719
Well, that's what I want to know, actually.

1360
00:57:21.780 --> 00:57:24.420
I want to kind of watch ahead and see how damaged it is.

1361
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:28.800
They can't just fix it up while they're flying it in the Delphic

1362
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:29.340
expanse.

1363
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.099
This is horrific this bit.

1364
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:36.480
Look, the man is on fire for about 10 seconds.

1365
00:57:36.900 --> 00:57:38.880
So bad, though.

1366
00:57:38.940 --> 00:57:43.739
Like, it's so hilariously like, oh, the stuntman's on fire with

1367
00:57:43.739 --> 00:57:46.800
his giant... more visceral than they would normally do.

1368
00:57:46.860 --> 00:57:50.460
I know, I know, but it is kind of quick, get the stunt guy on and

1369
00:57:50.460 --> 00:57:51.480
set him on fire.

1370
00:57:51.539 --> 00:57:55.139
And then there's a there's a buildup of sound in this scene and

1371
00:57:55.139 --> 00:57:57.840
you know that warp core is going to blow any minute.

1372
00:57:57.900 --> 00:57:59.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1373
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:03.059
But I think just having, like, it's so great.

1374
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:04.260
So much pyrotechnics.

1375
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:06.239
They blowing the shit out of the centre.

1376
00:58:06.300 --> 00:58:08.400
And it's just seen off the scene of the scene where it's getting

1377
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:10.079
worse and worse and worse.

1378
00:58:10.139 --> 00:58:12.719
People being blown out of the ship.

1379
00:58:12.780 --> 00:58:16.260
Look, all these holes in the in the thing, it's amazing.

1380
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:20.699
Slow motion now as everyone's trying to grab their consoles to

1381
00:58:20.699 --> 00:58:22.139
salvage the situation.

1382
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:23.219
Yep, yep.

1383
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:24.599
Yeah, it's really great.

1384
00:58:24.659 --> 00:58:28.199
And then Jolene's so happy because she gets the money shot.

1385
00:58:28.260 --> 00:58:28.920
Here we go.

1386
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:32.940
Right in on her eyes.

1387
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:35.159
We are fucked.

1388
00:58:36.900 --> 00:58:42.059
And the Enterprise dead in space as they're still being pummelled

1389
00:58:42.059 --> 00:58:42.900
with all those lasers.

1390
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:46.500
And just having it rolling as well, like having it turn upside

1391
00:58:46.500 --> 00:58:50.219
down, you know, like the ships so often shot, like just

1392
00:58:50.219 --> 00:58:53.639
battleships on a surface, and so having it just slowly, lazily

1393
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:54.780
rolling out of control.

1394
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:58.860
Like, I think that's really good, and it made me appreciate damage

1395
00:58:58.860 --> 00:59:03.480
better because I had problems with damage, but just, you know, and

1396
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:06.780
damage is clearly about not only the damage to the ships, but the

1397
00:59:06.780 --> 00:59:11.340
damage that the whole situation is doing to them morally, you know

1398
00:59:11.340 --> 00:59:12.780
it's really good, I think.

1399
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:16.860
I don't think it is an exaggeration to say, well done, enterprise.

1400
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:18.960
I think you might have arrived, finally.

1401
00:59:19.019 --> 00:59:21.780
Yeah, 2.5 seasons into your run.

1402
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:22.619
Yeah, yeah.

1403
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:24.539
And they learned the lesson.

1404
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:30.599
They learned the lesson from Voyager, Scorpion, Scorpion 2.

1405
00:59:30.900 --> 00:59:35.099
Because at the end of that, there's damage to the ship.

1406
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:37.800
And in the next episode, there's still damage to the ship.

1407
00:59:37.860 --> 00:59:38.219
Do you remember?

1408
00:59:38.219 --> 00:59:39.239
I'll say, my God.

1409
00:59:39.300 --> 00:59:40.559
Jesus Christ.

1410
00:59:40.619 --> 00:59:41.820
Consequences.

1411
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:45.539
But all you see is the exterior of the ship and a few holes and

1412
00:59:45.539 --> 00:59:45.960
that's it.

1413
00:59:46.019 --> 00:59:50.099
Whereas they do a whole episode here where they're trying to

1414
00:59:50.099 --> 00:59:52.800
desperately put that portal shit back together again.

1415
00:59:53.099 --> 00:59:57.239
Because that's their only line of defence and it's crumbling.

1416
00:59:57.300 --> 00:59:58.739
It's really good.

1417
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:01.739
Like, it's that serialised storytelling and it works really well

1418
01:00:01.739 --> 01:00:04.500
and it just puts them in a completely different place.

1419
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:08.760
Like, Archer, you know, we kind of lose interest in the Archer

1420
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:13.440
being, um, you know, held captive by the reptilians because he's

1421
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:17.699
just very quickly delivered to the ship again so that he can be in

1422
01:00:17.699 --> 01:00:21.780
the next episode, like some helpful aquatics, you know, come along

1423
01:00:21.780 --> 01:00:23.820
and just sort of bring him back.

1424
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:28.320
And so this episode doesn't really end in any sort of sensible

1425
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:28.739
way.

1426
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:31.500
But, you know, like there was heaps going on.

1427
01:00:31.500 --> 01:00:34.920
And I do think that it's a turning point not only in the kind of

1428
01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:36.900
backstory we find out what's going on.

1429
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:42.780
But from here on, our job is not to kind of destroy the weapon or

1430
01:00:42.780 --> 01:00:45.179
kill the Zindi or anything like that.

1431
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:49.679
It's to persuade Degra. you know, essentially, to help them.

1432
01:00:49.739 --> 01:00:53.579
And the council, you know, took a small water.

1433
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:55.920
I don't think you have seen to the end of the season.

1434
01:00:55.980 --> 01:00:56.460
No.

1435
01:00:56.460 --> 01:01:00.539
They do abandon this approach as soon as Dager is dead and it does

1436
01:01:00.539 --> 01:01:04.619
just become about destroying the weapon in the last episode. which

1437
01:01:04.619 --> 01:01:08.099
as I said, was very stupid indeed, but really fun to watch.

1438
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:11.460
It's actually when Manicoto comes in in the next season. that

1439
01:01:11.460 --> 01:01:15.420
we're absolutely building towards the Federation for me, aren't

1440
01:01:15.420 --> 01:01:15.599
we?

1441
01:01:15.659 --> 01:01:16.500
Yeah, yeah.

1442
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:16.980
Yeah.

1443
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:17.400
Yeah.

1444
01:01:17.460 --> 01:01:19.380
Manny's got the right idea.

1445
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:20.639
I think so.

1446
01:01:20.699 --> 01:01:23.940
I mean, I think that, you know, we've said this a 100 times that

1447
01:01:23.940 --> 01:01:27.420
series 3 is the show out of ideas and reaching for something that

1448
01:01:27.420 --> 01:01:32.159
will make it more interesting and doing that successfully, I think

1449
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:35.880
to some degree, but kind of jettisoning Star Trek in the in the

1450
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:36.179
process.

1451
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:40.320
I think season 3 Events Prize.

1452
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:45.360
On the right day, it's my favourite season of Events Prize, because

1453
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:48.539
I like the approach and I like the cynicism as well.

1454
01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:52.260
You know, I like that sort of stuff, but it does make me think

1455
01:01:52.260 --> 01:01:55.980
actually, DS 9 had the right approach with season 6 and 7 in

1456
01:01:55.980 --> 01:01:56.280
that.

1457
01:01:56.340 --> 01:01:58.019
Yes, we're going to do a long arc.

1458
01:01:58.139 --> 01:02:02.159
Um, that arc is going to touch every episode, sometimes very

1459
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:07.559
strong, sometimes very lightly, but we're going to do our usual

1460
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:10.860
standalone episodes that are enjoyable to watch in their own right

1461
01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:15.659
because their hit rate of great episodes in 6 and 7 is very high

1462
01:02:15.659 --> 01:02:16.380
indeed.

1463
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:19.619
And the hit rate of episodes because they're tied to this fucking

1464
01:02:19.619 --> 01:02:20.340
arc.

1465
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:24.420
And season 3 is, well, less successful, shall we say?

1466
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:27.360
Yeah, I mean, it's a different type of serialisation because they

1467
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:31.320
are telling a continuous story in phases in series 3 and in a way

1468
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:33.840
that's all that's available to them because there's just the crew

1469
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:35.039
on enterprise.

1470
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:40.619
And it's not like Deep Space 9, which has a much more kind of

1471
01:02:40.619 --> 01:02:45.000
robust ensemble premise where you can just go off and do something

1472
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:48.119
with a group of characters over here or something over there.

1473
01:02:48.179 --> 01:02:51.840
It doesn't have to be each episode has to be the direct

1474
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:53.760
consequence of the previous one.

1475
01:02:53.820 --> 01:02:57.599
And there is something about that mode of storytelling I like, and

1476
01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:03.300
I think that it is done best at the end of Discovery season four.

1477
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:08.639
I think Discovery actually nails that way of plotting.

1478
01:03:08.699 --> 01:03:10.739
I think Picard series 3 does as well.

1479
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:14.340
You know, that it is just a series of episodes, each of which has

1480
01:03:14.340 --> 01:03:18.900
a satisfying episode that stands alone, but that tells part of a

1481
01:03:18.900 --> 01:03:19.739
continuous story.

1482
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:23.280
And I thought this episode that is Auntie Prime did that really

1483
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:26.460
well, and that's also what I liked about series 4.

1484
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:31.920
I'm going to say, you know, I haven't seen all of series 4 of

1485
01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:32.519
discovery.

1486
01:03:32.579 --> 01:03:36.780
So I'll look forward to examining that premise and seeing if that

1487
01:03:36.780 --> 01:03:38.760
comes to fruition for me.

1488
01:03:38.820 --> 01:03:45.420
And I think the 1st half of series 3 of Picard.

1489
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:48.539
Absolutely now is what you just said there.

1490
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:52.019
I was just so disappointed with the fucking Borg, being the main

1491
01:03:52.019 --> 01:03:52.860
friend at the end.

1492
01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:57.119
Again, that unfortunately it sort of limped to a climax for me.

1493
01:03:57.179 --> 01:04:00.659
But what I will say about this episode is whilst I've got huge

1494
01:04:00.659 --> 01:04:05.699
issues with the overriding arc and the motives and all of that and

1495
01:04:05.699 --> 01:04:07.079
the lack of substance in it.

1496
01:04:07.739 --> 01:04:09.179
As 45 minutes of television.

1497
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:11.579
It's really very good.

1498
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:12.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1499
01:04:12.659 --> 01:04:13.679
Yeah, absolutely.

1500
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:23.340
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1501
01:04:23.340 --> 01:04:25.739
find out where we're going next.

1502
01:04:25.860 --> 01:04:31.199
Once again, I made one of my patented excellent episode choices.

1503
01:04:31.260 --> 01:04:35.880
And so I think it's time to veer towards the mediocre with maybe

1504
01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:37.139
an episode of Voyager.

1505
01:04:37.260 --> 01:04:38.460
What were you thinking, Joe?

1506
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:42.780
Well, we were so positive about 90s trek there.

1507
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:44.460
I want to keep us in that arena.

1508
01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:48.239
I mean, I have been looking at the percentages and some of those

1509
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:52.679
90s trek seasons obviously have higher percentages, but there's so

1510
01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:56.159
much more of them than everything else that we just have to keep

1511
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:59.699
coming back to this well because otherwise we'll never get to the

1512
01:04:59.699 --> 01:05:00.420
end of them all.

1513
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.159
So all 4 of them are in.

1514
01:05:02.219 --> 01:05:03.000
Okay.

1515
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:09.900
But my one stipulation for the choice will be that from my memory

1516
01:05:09.900 --> 01:05:13.500
it's either got to be a mediocre to poor episode.

1517
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:14.519
All right?

1518
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:19.500
Yeah, this praise wearies me, I think, absolutely.

1519
01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:23.760
Those are absolutely the more fun episodes to record, I think, you

1520
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:25.139
know, being mad at other people.

1521
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:25.500
Come on.

1522
01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:27.960
Well, that was a brilliant episode, though.

1523
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:32.219
Oh, so we can't do the 1st one, unfortunately, which is an

1524
01:05:32.219 --> 01:05:33.059
absolute banger.

1525
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:37.800
Next generation, season three, episode 10, the Defector.

1526
01:05:37.860 --> 01:05:40.019
Oh, an absolute classic.

1527
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:41.460
He's pretty good.

1528
01:05:42.780 --> 01:05:45.719
Oh, I'm not sure about this one.

1529
01:05:45.780 --> 01:05:49.679
Your random Star Trek DS9 episode is season seven, of course.

1530
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:53.400
Episode 13, Field of Fire.

1531
01:05:53.460 --> 01:05:58.260
That's the one with Durand Dax, and Ezry Dax does the murder

1532
01:05:58.260 --> 01:06:02.039
mystery investigation, which is as good as that sound.

1533
01:06:02.099 --> 01:06:06.780
Turns out it's her Well, it sort of is.

1534
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:08.340
I'm not telling you the twist.

1535
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:14.579
It's sort of homicide law on the streets with bizarre trill

1536
01:06:14.579 --> 01:06:15.119
ceremonies.

1537
01:06:15.179 --> 01:06:16.860
Okay, that sounds terrible.

1538
01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:18.659
Should I move on?

1539
01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:19.260
Yeah.

1540
01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:20.639
Okay.

1541
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:25.199
Oh, no, another banger, unfortunately.

1542
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:29.099
I never get any fucking bangers when I normally press the button

1543
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:32.400
not when you want them The algorithm is against me.

1544
01:06:32.460 --> 01:06:37.260
This was going to be Voyager season one, episode 15, Jatrell.

1545
01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:40.260
Ooh, we even mentioned that very very good.

1546
01:06:41.099 --> 01:06:42.840
Oh, no.

1547
01:06:42.900 --> 01:06:46.139
DS9, season four, episode 22 for the cause.

1548
01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:48.659
That's when Eddington is revealed.

1549
01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:49.260
Too good.

1550
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:51.539
I could be here a long time, you know.

1551
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:53.579
Who would have guessed?

1552
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:54.840
Oh no.

1553
01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:59.340
Next generation series seven, episode 12, the Pegasus.

1554
01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:00.119
Oh dear.

1555
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:08.519
Oh, it's being kind, but unfortunately, it's chosen TNG season 6

1556
01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:09.960
episode 3, Man of the People again.

1557
01:07:10.019 --> 01:07:12.300
So, never mind.

1558
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:13.500
Okay.

1559
01:07:15.179 --> 01:07:17.760
Now you must be joking me.

1560
01:07:17.820 --> 01:07:19.079
Is this taking the piss?

1561
01:07:19.139 --> 01:07:20.039
Why what?

1562
01:07:20.099 --> 01:07:21.360
TNG.

1563
01:07:21.420 --> 01:07:23.699
Season seven, episode 15, lower deck.

1564
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:28.800
You must be joking me right now.

1565
01:07:28.860 --> 01:07:33.420
DS9, season 4, season uh, episode 26, Broken Link. Great episode.

1566
01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:35.460
Oh, my God.

1567
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:37.800
This is the most we've ever chosen.

1568
01:07:37.860 --> 01:07:39.900
This is uh, this is a...

1569
01:07:40.019 --> 01:07:42.059
I'm gonna keep going until I get something terrible.

1570
01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:42.960
Okay.

1571
01:07:43.019 --> 01:07:48.059
DS9, season three, episode 26, the adversary, the thing in space

1572
01:07:48.059 --> 01:07:49.019
is brilliant.

1573
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:50.880
Oh my god.

1574
01:07:50.940 --> 01:07:52.139
Oh.

1575
01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:53.280
Okay.

1576
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:54.000
Oh no.

1577
01:07:54.059 --> 01:07:55.380
It's a two-parter.

1578
01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:56.099
It's a two-part.

1579
01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:57.239
I don't think it will have time for it.

1580
01:07:57.300 --> 01:08:01.739
It was going to be season five, episode 26 of TNG Times Arrow.

1581
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:04.559
Yeah, that is fun though, and Mr. Pickett?

1582
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:08.340
Yeah, we have. have to be impersonations of her too, obviously.

1583
01:08:08.460 --> 01:08:09.960
I need to be talking to you.

1584
01:08:10.619 --> 01:08:14.639
Nathan, I thought I told you, your rent was due at one o'clock on

1585
01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:15.239
a Thursday.

1586
01:08:15.300 --> 01:08:16.680
Thursday.

1587
01:08:16.739 --> 01:08:21.600
Oh, my God, it is choosing shit episodes, but this once we've

1588
01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:21.840
already done.

1589
01:08:21.899 --> 01:08:23.039
Right, what's that?

1590
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:23.760
Course oblivion.

1591
01:08:23.819 --> 01:08:24.659
Oh dear.

1592
01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:26.220
We have to do it again.

1593
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:27.060
No.

1594
01:08:27.180 --> 01:08:30.960
Tinker Sailor, so just like, oh, stop this now.

1595
01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:33.359
The Nagus.

1596
01:08:34.380 --> 01:08:36.960
Oh, this is just going silly.

1597
01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:39.720
Oh my god, okay, I think I might have it.

1598
01:08:39.779 --> 01:08:42.720
Okay, I really hate in this episode.

1599
01:08:42.779 --> 01:08:44.340
And actually every one ever.

1600
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:48.840
It will quite be nice to be really horrible, but I do.

1601
01:08:48.899 --> 01:08:49.859
All right.

1602
01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:54.359
And it's my favourite season, season five, episode 20.

1603
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.180
Ferengi love songs.

1604
01:08:57.239 --> 01:08:58.439
Oh no.

1605
01:08:58.500 --> 01:08:59.699
Okay.

1606
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:00.239
Do you remember?

1607
01:09:00.300 --> 01:09:03.659
the one where it's the one where Zek and Moogie start having their

1608
01:09:03.659 --> 01:09:04.380
relationship together.

1609
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:05.520
Oh no.

1610
01:09:05.579 --> 01:09:06.659
Oh, no.

1611
01:09:06.659 --> 01:09:07.560
No, you don't want to do that one?

1612
01:09:07.619 --> 01:09:07.920
Okay.

1613
01:09:07.979 --> 01:09:08.819
No I think we have to do it.

1614
01:09:08.939 --> 01:09:12.840
I mean, I think it's pretty. a Renee directed episode.

1615
01:09:13.739 --> 01:09:16.560
But it's spectacularly cheap.

1616
01:09:16.619 --> 01:09:18.359
I remember.

1617
01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:22.739
And badly lit. frankly, I just can't push that button anymore.

1618
01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:24.060
Okay, no, no.

1619
01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:24.539
That was it.

1620
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:25.619
That was getting silly.

1621
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:26.939
This one is short for everyone.

1622
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:28.619
Yes, that is true.

1623
01:09:28.739 --> 01:09:29.640
That is true.

1624
01:09:29.699 --> 01:09:33.840
I mean, what is the odds of choosing all of 90's trek and getting

1625
01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:35.159
one classic after another?

1626
01:09:35.220 --> 01:09:36.119
I know.

1627
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:36.779
I know.

1628
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:37.800
The answer pretty...

1629
01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:41.100
There's only 2% variants on classics.

1630
01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:42.239
Crazy.

1631
01:09:42.300 --> 01:09:44.340
Nathan, I finally broken the odds.

1632
01:09:54.779 --> 01:09:58.439
He's been listening to Entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1633
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:02.340
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project

1634
01:10:01.500 --> 01:10:04.859
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1635
01:10:04.859 --> 01:10:05.579
media accounts.

1636
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:09.359
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1637
01:10:09.359 --> 01:10:11.039
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1638
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:15.239
This episode was recorded on the 19th of November 2024 and

1639
01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:16.979
released on the 22nd of November.

1640
01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:21.420
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Ferengi Love

1641
01:10:21.420 --> 01:10:21.840
songs.

1642
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:39.779
I need to watch that.

1643
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:41.760
All I managed to watch from these things.

1644
01:10:41.819 --> 01:10:45.539
I haven't watched a frame of the fucking Blake 7 box set that

1645
01:10:45.539 --> 01:10:46.140
arrived.

1646
01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:47.520
Not a single episode.

1647
01:10:47.579 --> 01:10:52.859
I got almost as annoyed seeing all those fucking box sets on

1648
01:10:52.859 --> 01:10:55.619
social media as I do by the Dr. Ru ones.

1649
01:10:55.680 --> 01:10:58.020
I'm like, I know, you've had some posts.

1650
01:10:58.079 --> 01:10:59.159
Get over it.

1651
01:11:00.300 --> 01:11:05.039
What happened to me was I had waited 2 weeks after everyone else

1652
01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:09.659
in Australia had got season 25 and I'd been witching and bitching

1653
01:11:09.659 --> 01:11:12.479
about it and seeing people's arrive in England and then I got home

1654
01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:14.699
and mine was there already. you know.

1655
01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:16.199
Nathan, you have a life.

1656
01:11:16.260 --> 01:11:19.500
Which means you don't feel compelled to share your picture.

1657
01:11:19.859 --> 01:11:21.779
I did show my picture.

1658
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:22.500
Oh, you never did.

1659
01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:23.640
I did.

1660
01:11:23.699 --> 01:11:27.539
I said it's even arrived in the outer world, so I said.

1661
01:11:27.539 --> 01:11:30.000
So during this podcast has been fun, but I'm going to have to go

1662
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:30.479
now, right?

1663
01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:34.500
Oh, God, oh, boy.

1664
01:11:34.500 --> 01:11:35.520
Yeah, yeah.

1665
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:37.680
I don't even see a picture.

1666
01:11:37.739 --> 01:11:40.079
Yeah, and blue sky.

1667
01:11:40.140 --> 01:11:42.840
I'm not fan of my posting. not fucking posting on Twitter.

1668
01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:43.680
Blue sky.

1669
01:11:43.739 --> 01:11:45.359
It's very boring than Twitter.

1670
01:11:45.420 --> 01:11:52.739
Oh, it's not because... 1000000s of people have recently joined it

1671
01:11:52.739 --> 01:11:56.640
and everyone is back, like everyone is back there, and people are

1672
01:11:56.640 --> 01:12:01.020
now using it, and people like Si and Conrad, and stuff are posting

1673
01:12:01.020 --> 01:12:01.380
there.

1674
01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:06.000
And I think that that's the that's the final off-ramp for Twitter

1675
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:08.159
because I think that Twitter's just too...

1676
01:12:08.220 --> 01:12:13.079
I mean, I noticed, I noticed about 50 of my followers vanished in

1677
01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:13.560
a week.

1678
01:12:13.619 --> 01:12:17.579
But I've not lost any traction with the post, I'm doing.

1679
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:19.439
No, but I'm going to just go off it.

1680
01:12:19.500 --> 01:12:20.520
I going to kill my account.

1681
01:12:20.579 --> 01:12:23.520
I'll still post FTE things, but I'm not going to do anything on

1682
01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:23.760
there.

1683
01:12:23.819 --> 01:12:25.680
I do have a P Sky account.

1684
01:12:25.739 --> 01:12:28.800
Just when I went there before, I looked at the post, everyone...

1685
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:30.420
Oh, yeah, there was nothing. everyone was so nice.

1686
01:12:30.539 --> 01:12:31.800
I was like, oh.

1687
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:32.159
Yeah.

1688
01:12:32.220 --> 01:12:35.880
Everyone is kind of nice and people block people who are like, but

1689
01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:36.720
there are no Nazis.

1690
01:12:36.779 --> 01:12:37.500
Do you know what I mean?

1691
01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:38.100
That's the thing.

1692
01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:40.260
I know, like, it's not.

1693
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:40.619
Yeah.

1694
01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:43.260
Because I only look at nice things.

1695
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:45.420
My algorithm's quite kind to me, you know?

1696
01:12:45.539 --> 01:12:46.560
Yeah.

1697
01:12:46.619 --> 01:12:50.939
Yeah, I, and I've been posting for, there's an untitled Star Trek

1698
01:12:50.939 --> 01:12:57.659
project, uh, uh, thing to at untitled Star Trek project.com.

1699
01:12:57.720 --> 01:12:59.880
I clicked on a...

1700
01:12:59.880 --> 01:13:02.760
Oh, stop posting there then.

1701
01:13:02.819 --> 01:13:08.699
Um, I clicked on a, uh, like other, uh, delicious bums or

1702
01:13:08.699 --> 01:13:12.239
something like that once, and then suddenly Twitter just thought I

1703
01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:14.939
wanted to see lots of really nice pictures of men's bums.

1704
01:13:15.060 --> 01:13:16.500
So every time I go on Twitter now.

1705
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:18.000
I sort of go, oh, how healthy?

1706
01:13:18.060 --> 01:13:21.479
That's very pleasant, you know, everyone blues guy as well.

1707
01:13:21.539 --> 01:13:23.640
Every 3rd post is a nice bum.

1708
01:13:23.699 --> 01:13:25.199
I'm like, I can live with that.

1709
01:13:25.260 --> 01:13:25.680
Okay.

1710
01:13:25.739 --> 01:13:26.699
That's all right.

1711
01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:28.140
Occasional.

1712
01:13:28.140 --> 01:13:30.000
I've got marked a promise as well, right?

1713
01:13:30.060 --> 01:13:32.699
Because Philip Olivia has now joined...

1714
01:13:32.699 --> 01:13:35.939
Big finish in our run of Finnish Big.

1715
01:13:36.060 --> 01:13:39.840
So Hex is finally there with Sophie and Sylvester.

1716
01:13:39.899 --> 01:13:41.819
So I've got him to promise that, hang on.

1717
01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:44.880
I should use my men of Doctor Who Calendar to show you.

1718
01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:47.939
Philip Olivier, month.

1719
01:13:48.539 --> 01:13:51.899
It was the easily the best month of the year.

1720
01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:52.500
Here we go.

1721
01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:53.340
Yes.

1722
01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:54.840
Oh, you can't see the bum.

1723
01:13:54.899 --> 01:13:58.439
But I made him promise that this picture here, including the bum.

1724
01:13:58.500 --> 01:14:03.960
It will go up on every single finished big episode where I

1725
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:06.420
mentioned Hex, but that picture will be shined up.

1726
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:10.800
Yeah, I'm on a promise. look at what this month is.

1727
01:14:13.859 --> 01:14:16.079
Oh, holy crap.

1728
01:14:16.319 --> 01:14:20.460
So take it as a huge compliment, you know, that I only look at you

1729
01:14:20.460 --> 01:14:21.539
and not the calendar, okay?

1730
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:25.020
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. shooting's right there.

1731
01:14:27.180 --> 01:14:28.739
All right.

1732
01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:29.880
All right, all right.