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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are watching an episode of the animated series this week.

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We're watching series one, episode six, The Survivor, which is

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singular, and I want to start by apologising to Jammer, because I

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actually read what he wrote about reviewing the animated series.

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He has a little introduction on his website and he does say, you

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mustn't compare the star ratings that I give this to the star

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ratings.

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I give everything else.

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I'm grading everything here as an episode of the animated series.

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And he's as aware as we are, that there's a single plot, that it's

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all weirdly paced, that it's cheap as fuck.

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So in a way, constantly ribbing him for giving Bem 2.5 stars, we've

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been a little bit unfair.

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On the other hand, he does give this 3 stars out of 4 and...

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And we will not stop with it.

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No, absolutely not.

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Unfortunately, you've got a blanket grading system, which means

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that, you know, somehow you give, you know, top tier 90s Treks

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episodes less styles than them.

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I have to tell you the true horror of this, so, Nathan, is that

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you know, I was watching it in sort of half past 3 in the morning

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last night.

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I may not have been at my best whilst trying to focus on this

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nuanced, sophisticated piece of television fall asleep a bit.

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But I did manage to take it all in unbelievably. you know?

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But I wasn't sure whereabouts she was, you know.

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And now, unfortunately, they put it behind a paywall on Prime.

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So I paid the princely sum of £2 and 50 pence to watch this

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episode of the animal.

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It's the most off spent watching an episode from Star Trek Project

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which if my maths is right, it's about 5 pence per minute.

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And I'll say, frankly, I think I may have been cold.

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I think you might have been.

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I think you might have think that's a terribly sad story.

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Goodness me.

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So the usual things apply.

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The usual caveats apply.

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This is incredibly slow. really cheap.

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The animation is astoundingly bad.

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You have Jimmy Doan.

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So simple.

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Isn't it?

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So simple.

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Like, even I didn't have any trouble following this.

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There's never any B plot.

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It's baffling.

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You think how much they pack into it.

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Well, lower decks is only 20 minutes into the same, it's true. it's

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only 20 minutes.

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Every time I think you're so mean on the animator series and then

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I think to myself, no way, he's right. prodigy.

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They pack a lot into 25 minutes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I reckon the, you know, the average short trek.

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Has more incident and more interesting things to say than one of

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these.

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So these are very boring, and I can only imagine, if I had been

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just a little bit older, and I had experienced Star Trek as a

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child, and I was tuning into these thinking, ooh, it's new Star

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Trek that's so exciting. been 4 years.

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I just can't imagine.

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This is like the Star Trek that your mother says that you have at

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home.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, it's absolutely kind of the poorest possible substitute for

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actual Star Trek imaginable.

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So the whole thing...

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Yeah, what is it?

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Right from the terrible opening music.

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It absolutely just reeks of disappointment this show, I think.

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Although I do love the music.

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Not because it's any good.

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No, it is terrible.

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But delightfully, because Lower Deck sees itself as the sort of

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spiritual successor to this, the 1st animated series, the aliens

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here, there's one alien who's called a Vendorian, and I think the

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alien looks pretty great.

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Actually, the one thing that I...

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Oh, I like the way his tentacles sort of whip around people's

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necks and knocks them out.

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That's quite fun.

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But I mean, it looks great.

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It's like a pretty great looking monster and obviously you could

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never have done anything like it on actual Star Trek.

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We did it to Purse.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I haven't gone to the imagination world too far.

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No, no, no.

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But it's a pretty cool looking octopus.

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And it has appeared twice on lower decks.

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So in the very 2nd episode, series one, episode 2, Envoys, there's

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a Vendorian that appears whose shape shifting is an Andorian

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hilariously.

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You know what they do in there, Nathan, because it's so early in

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Lower Decks is Rum.

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They're basically looking out the screen and gang.

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You know what, right?

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You may be embarrassed by that lower decks.

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But we haven't forgotten it, all right?

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We're going to celebrate it.

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And next week we'll have Ben as well.

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Well, they've had, you know, they've had someone from that same

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race and caves.

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What's umrous?

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Yeah, I can't remember.

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She's a regular character, isn't she?

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Not her, but one of her species.

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Oh, yay.

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So Dr. Tana's from the same races.

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Yes.

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That's right.

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So she's there.

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There's another episode which absolutely has the Vendorians as

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like major players.

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It's series 4, episode 8 Caves, which is a really, really

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brilliant episode of Lower Decks.

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It's really high concept.

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It's not, you know, just riffing on an old Star Trek thing.

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It's really funny and interesting in itself, and the Vendorians

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are behind it all, and they look magnificent in that episode.

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Like they look really great.

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Be a picture of that.

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Absolutely loads of them.

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You know, they took they went to the effort of drawing at least 20

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of the things.

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That's right.

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Not just one.

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We can only afford to draw one this week.

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It's like the writer sat down and said, right, okay, imagine I

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took the survivor as my base point, but then made it really, really

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good.

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Okay, let's go.

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Because, you know what?

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This isn't good.

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And it is very simple, and I mean that in inverted commas.

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And all the way through.

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I was, like, every time I watch an animated series before, I'm

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going to talk to you.

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It's I'm like, what the hell am I going to talk about for 20

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minutes?

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And it's you and me.

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We can talk about anything and it's only 20 minutes, but well, the

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challenge is on, all right?

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That's why I'm thinking we should go in.

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I have more things to say, but maybe we need to say that during

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the 20 minutes.

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Don't waste them yet.

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All right.

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All we could basically say is we guarantee that next episode we

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cover will have more nuance than this.

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Well more incident as well.

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Probably more slots.

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Wherever we go, whatever it is.

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Unless we do the animated series again. which we won't.

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All right.

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All right.

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Come on, count us in.

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Vine.

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Three...

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And we're off.

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It's like the porneest Star Trek music you could possibly have, you

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know, sort of lounge music.

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Sort of music, I imagine that Riker was listening to.

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You know, when he saw Minuet in 1001, 01.

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Yeah, so for me, it's just the very opening, you know, just the

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opening notes, which are the same as the opening notes of the

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original Star Trek theme, except they're wrong.

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And it's kind of like, yep, this is this is definitely setting the

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tone here.

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For me, it's the flat animation.

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The Enterprise sort of glides across the screen.

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But it does turn a corner and it just goes, whee across the

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screen.

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It's great.

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But it goes around.

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There's sort of no 3 dimension to any of that.

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There is just so, so weird.

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So fucking cheap.

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But the music is great, though. they properly animated that one.

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They animated it when it came towards the camera because it's

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shame.

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Look at that green planet there with all the sort of pot marks on

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it.

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Looks like Commander Adama's face from...

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So this is the survivor.

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And what's happening?

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Captain's log.

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Those are spinning quite precariously, you know, aren't they?

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Yeah, yeah, well, they seem to have been like hand animated.

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That's something.

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So this is terrible and fuck this guy, let's say.

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So we are picking up a ship.

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It's a single person ship.

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It's not him.

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No, I know.

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But so we have someone and it's the guy who played Ted Baxter in

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Mary Tyler Moore.

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So he's reasonably famous.

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He's a bit of a, you know, big deal at this point in TV history

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but he does a lot of shitty filmation.

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Now, what's this?

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So, what the fuck is the transporter Chiefs moustache?

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And then why does this guy have that moustache?

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It's the 1970s.

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Well, I haven't explored too much 1970s porn, a little bit, but

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not much, but basically every romantic hero in all 70s gay porn

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looks like Carter Wilson.

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Every single one.

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Yeah, sort of wavy hair, enormous moustache, a bit like, yeah, a

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cowboy out of time.

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Like Jason King or something.

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So I and everybody is so in love with him, aren't they?

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I'm like, 0 my god.

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Castle Wilson, the man who made a huge fortune, despite the fact

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we don't have any money, and went and saved all those colony

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worlds.

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So what should have happened is he should have been guillotined

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his money should have been confiscated, and it should have been

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forcibly used to save those colony worlds.

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This is what shits me, is that we have a, you know, like a

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philanthropist.

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Fuck that guy.

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What's he doing in my socialist utopia?

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Spock of all the inhospitable things you've ever said to make him

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prove who he is.

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Yeah, because he's a fucking octopus, right?

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Yeah, not that we work that out, though, can I say?

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The enterprise Nathan has rescued a living legend, says Captain

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Kirk, in his voice over.

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Okay, so it turns out his fiancé's a board, just by the most

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amazing coincidence.

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What the fuck is the computer voice doing in this scene?

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Did you listen to that?

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It looks like shit.

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Is it is it?

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It's a gel huffing alien?

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Like, I just don't know what's going on.

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They put a fingerprint in the animation.

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That won't cost nothing.

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Just put your finger on there.

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There you go.

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And did you know what, right?

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This is our fucking animation.

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Are they still got all this terrible low tech that all they could

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afford when they had a set?

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Come on now.

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Think outside the box.

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I kind of like that actually that they're just reproducing the

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kind of crappy, the fabulous tech that they had in the original

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series.

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I mean, you know what?

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I'm going to say it a 1000000 times now.

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Every time we do these episodes.

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Look, he's going, 0 yeah, your test readings. they don't come out

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quite as they should do, you know, so off.

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And yeah, that's it. 10 minutes until he goes, do you know what?

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I don't think he's actually that Carter fellow.

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We thought it was octopus.

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Oh, here she is.

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No, this is the nurse.

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This isn't... this is chapel.

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This is Nurse Chapel. that's Magell.

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I say she looks lustrous in animation.

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She does.

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She's very blind.

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Oh, here she is.

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What's the lady's name?

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That's it.

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So Anne is Nichelle doing her best white lady voice and it's

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awful.

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She's asked to play, just a snivelling, useless woman, isn't she?

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Yeah, it's miserable.

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So it's bafflingly weird too.

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Michelle is seen in the background of various shots too.

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Like, not Nichelle, a drawing of Nichelle, like, um, uh, Aurora.

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But Mress is there as the, uh, this is her 1st episode. as the

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communications officer.

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And that's...

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She's the one that gets her transmission later.

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So, so cool.

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So that's majestic decoration.

283
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That's Majell doing a sexy voice.

284
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Well, they thought to themselves, you know what, right?

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I know we love Ahura, but we could have a cat woman, you know. be

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really cool.

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That's true, but they could have gotten...

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So we should have to do the Catwoman rather than do this weird

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lady.

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So basically Carter now breaks up with Anne. and she turns

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straight to the camera and this guy sort of falls down top quality

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direction.

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Oh God.

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I'm so moved, honestly.

295
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Maybe if it was like a regular, we'd feel something.

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No, not a lot because they haven't established anything.

297
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No, but it would mean, who cares?

298
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It would mean more than Sulu's boyfriend, the...

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Lieutenant nobody.

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You know, Sulu's boyfriend who's been missing for 5 years.

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Oh, here we go.

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Turning into it.

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Transforming... into a Vendorian.

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Yeah.

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See?

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That looks so great.

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The head is great.

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I do love the head with all the eyes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And they it looks like he's giving Kirk a hug.

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It's wonderfully gently puts him back on the band, which is sort

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of touching.

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I think he looks awesome. that octopus looks fucking great.

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So you're saying they kept that sort of transfer effect between

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you.

316
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. the same effect with it, shape, shape, shifts in

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envoys.

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It's pretty great.

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Mate, Joe, I must say your hair just looks so amazing in

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animation.

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There's not a hair out of place.

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It's so low effort, it's just unbelievable, the animation.

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That was a whole shot that lasted 2 or 3 seconds in which she just

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blinked.

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Like it was just a drawing and it just blinked and that was all we

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did.

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It's so cheap.

328
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It's so shitty.

329
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At least when we're on the bridge, the sort of the coloured lights

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on the panels there, sort of flicker and move.

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So there's a tiny bit of, well, vision in the animation.

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Oh, Arax, look.

333
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So we've got Aryx and Emriz there now.

334
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I mean, it's already a better crew than the original series.

335
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Right, yeah.

336
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We can just forgive them for not hiring Walter, I think, then.

337
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Did they have any of Eric's people in Kurtzman trip?

338
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Do we see any of those?

339
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Oh, fabulous.

340
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Live action?

341
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No, no, lowered eggs, obviously.

342
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Oh, I'd love to see you like a CGI one though.

343
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Wouldn't that be great?

344
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I shouldn't do that.

345
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There's still time, strangely wells.

346
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But what if they introduced Arex that you could meet Arex?

347
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That would be incredible.

348
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I've just got a new posting, you know.

349
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We're going to have some amazing adventures on the Enterprise, I'm

350
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sure.

351
00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:39.779
Maybe that's the character that Reese Darby is playing in series

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three.

353
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You heard it here first.

354
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I'm tiled Star Trek Project phones.

355
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He just sits there smiling quietly.

356
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He has a New Zealand accent, obviously.

357
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So I've got a sort of Trump produce a little bit, okay?

358
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If I can.

359
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And so this man Carter, a wealthy man, saved a colonist, blah, blah

360
00:15:01.740 --> 00:15:03.539
blah, went down onto this planet or did he crash?

361
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I can't remember.

362
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He went down onto this planet and they found him, these Vendorians

363
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but unfortunately he was near death.

364
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He leaves for about a year.

365
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So that's...

366
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Oh, okay.

367
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I sort of looked after him. stroked his face with tentacles, things

368
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like that.

369
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And then he died and then that's what they do is then take on the

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form of people that have died.

371
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Yeah, so because he spent a lot of time with him, he was able not

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just to look like him, which he can do with anyone he meets, but

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he actually starts to become him.

374
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And that's like, that's actually a credible Star Trek plot. isn't

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it?

376
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I mean, it's a little bit like, like, maybe what happens in

377
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Silicon Avatar where, um, that, you know, that, the...

378
00:15:48.539 --> 00:15:49.860
It's a good star of a plot, though.

379
00:15:49.980 --> 00:15:52.559
Yeah, and it doesn't really get off the starting line.

380
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So it's an idea, and it's a terrible idea.

381
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You know, the Vendorian becomes human because he spent, Oh, look

382
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we're making Kirk watch the previous scene on telly to prove...

383
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So we can reuse the animation.

384
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

385
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So, you know, there's something there.

386
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You know, he becomes a human being and, uh, you know, he saves

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them from the Romulans, because he identifies with them and

388
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doesn't want to bring Antony harm.

389
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Um, and so that was basically the only thing I liked about this

390
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you know, when they went into the neutral zone and then the

391
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Romulans surrounded them and I was like, my God, we're going to

392
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have a space power in a minute.

393
00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:33.299
How's the animated series going to do that?

394
00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:35.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah. a shitty space battle.

395
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There's only one shot, I think.

396
00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:39.299
No, no, they shoot quite a bit.

397
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It's pretty good.

398
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Have you ever had an experience like that, you know, you're just

399
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sort of mining your own business and then this tentacle starts

400
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wrapping itself around your neck?

401
00:16:47.820 --> 00:16:49.500
Well, not a tentacle, but sure.

402
00:16:50.940 --> 00:16:54.240
Look, we said we weren't going to talk about what happened when we

403
00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:55.259
watched Justice, all right?

404
00:16:55.379 --> 00:16:59.159
We was all very turned on by that man's camel toe.

405
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Oh my god, that was really something.

406
00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:06.480
So now everyone's sort of doing possessed acting as well, but they

407
00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:07.380
can only do it with their voice.

408
00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.259
Yeah, yeah, because everyone looks identically the same because

409
00:17:10.259 --> 00:17:14.519
there's literally no facial performance involved in the show. mild

410
00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:15.720
monotone, don't you?

411
00:17:15.779 --> 00:17:17.819
sort of semi-robot.

412
00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:18.299
Yeah.

413
00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:26.759
So now McCoy or Vendorian McCoy is breaking up with Anne again.

414
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Is that right?

415
00:17:27.660 --> 00:17:29.220
That's what's happening, poor woman.

416
00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:30.839
Honestly, no wonder she's snivelling.

417
00:17:31.500 --> 00:17:34.980
Yes, my dear, but he just doesn't want you, that's all.

418
00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:35.460
All right.

419
00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:36.000
That's right.

420
00:17:36.059 --> 00:17:36.960
He said, forget him.

421
00:17:37.019 --> 00:17:38.460
No, it is McCoy.

422
00:17:39.779 --> 00:17:43.079
Stop hanging around his front floor.

423
00:17:43.140 --> 00:17:44.220
Stop texting him.

424
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If I was her, I'd do a Beverly Crusher style flounce out of the

425
00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:50.700
room and go, you know, I've already had it from him.

426
00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:57.119
I don't need it from you But she does have a voice like that

427
00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:57.779
doesn't she?

428
00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:01.859
I think it's Nichelle doing what a white lady sounds like.

429
00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:06.539
It's awesome I think everybody should watch an animated series

430
00:18:06.539 --> 00:18:11.880
episode and then go and watch any any lower decks episode and

431
00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.640
compare the voice actor in the tune.

432
00:18:14.700 --> 00:18:14.940
Okay?

433
00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:20.819
Nowhere else in Star Trek affects nothing else. you'll see a

434
00:18:20.819 --> 00:18:24.180
golfing quality between 2 points of Star Trek.

435
00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:24.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

436
00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:28.140
Because the voice acting in lower decks is someone else.

437
00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:29.339
It's great, isn't it?

438
00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:32.039
They're all really good, whereas everyone's just phoning this in.

439
00:18:32.099 --> 00:18:32.880
No one gives a shit.

440
00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:34.440
No one's got an emotion in this.

441
00:18:34.500 --> 00:18:36.720
They all kind of say their dialogue like this.

442
00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:37.619
Yeah.

443
00:18:37.619 --> 00:18:41.279
I mean, at least Nemoy's got a reason for that.

444
00:18:41.339 --> 00:18:42.119
Yeah, yeah.

445
00:18:42.420 --> 00:18:45.779
No, this is just preposterous, right?

446
00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:48.240
I must have taken a little nap, Nathan.

447
00:18:48.299 --> 00:18:51.180
Well, that's, I mean, that's what that's how Jim experienced as

448
00:18:51.180 --> 00:18:51.359
well.

449
00:18:51.420 --> 00:18:52.619
He had a lap.

450
00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:53.940
A nap, a lap.

451
00:18:54.059 --> 00:18:54.539
How about that?

452
00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:56.339
I did like that line.

453
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I've never known you to sleep on the laboratory floor.

454
00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:00.059
Now this is fucking ridiculous.

455
00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:01.380
This is his lab.

456
00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:03.599
There's something wrong with this room, but I can't put my finger

457
00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:04.380
on it.

458
00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:08.940
It's there's 3 bio beds instead of 2 and somehow McCoy doesn't

459
00:19:08.940 --> 00:19:10.619
notice that and neither does Spock.

460
00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:12.720
I mean, like, what's that?

461
00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:13.920
I suggest you so dumb.

462
00:19:13.980 --> 00:19:15.059
Show yourself, Winston.

463
00:19:15.180 --> 00:19:16.019
All right.

464
00:19:16.019 --> 00:19:19.019
Or I'm going to pour this deadly acid all over the bar bed.

465
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And I know it's you.

466
00:19:19.980 --> 00:19:21.599
Yeah, I'm going to pour acid on you as well.

467
00:19:21.660 --> 00:19:22.200
That's awesome.

468
00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:24.059
That is so dumb.

469
00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:31.259
So fortunately, Kirk learnt to count to 3 at the academy and so he

470
00:19:31.259 --> 00:19:33.900
noticed the extra bed and now he's going to pour acid.

471
00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:36.839
There's just no type of a brain cell in this series.

472
00:19:36.900 --> 00:19:38.039
So dumb.

473
00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:38.819
So dumb.

474
00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:40.799
Look, it looks great.

475
00:19:40.859 --> 00:19:43.079
Doesn't the vendor look just awesome.

476
00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:47.700
But then they sort of follow up with loads of close-ups of McCoy

477
00:19:47.700 --> 00:19:50.099
so they don't have to animate anything else, you know?

478
00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:54.539
They're only doing eyes and a mouth in this scene.

479
00:19:57.720 --> 00:19:58.440
Yeah.

480
00:19:58.500 --> 00:20:02.220
Although, if you sort of look at the Vendorian, for any length of

481
00:20:02.220 --> 00:20:06.480
time, you see that the tentacles move in the same pattern over and

482
00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:07.079
over again.

483
00:20:07.140 --> 00:20:08.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

484
00:20:08.099 --> 00:20:11.160
I love how it works Like, I love how it works.

485
00:20:11.220 --> 00:20:11.700
It's awesome.

486
00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:13.019
Look how it works. will take anything.

487
00:20:13.140 --> 00:20:15.059
It's just true. will take anything.

488
00:20:15.299 --> 00:20:18.720
Well, it's just sort of hovers just across the ground, doesn't

489
00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:18.900
it?

490
00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:21.779
It's a bit nomad, isn't it?

491
00:20:21.779 --> 00:20:22.740
sort of the way he hovers along.

492
00:20:23.099 --> 00:20:26.220
Except we're in animation, so there's no strings.

493
00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:30.000
Oh, he does look like a porn star.

494
00:20:30.059 --> 00:20:30.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

495
00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:31.859
Oh, God.

496
00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:32.819
This is so funny.

497
00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:34.619
You're not gonna shoot me.

498
00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:37.380
It's my job, Carter. shoot you.

499
00:20:37.500 --> 00:20:38.759
But then she doesn't.

500
00:20:38.819 --> 00:20:41.640
She says, he's a little bit like my boyfriend so I didn't shoot

501
00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:41.940
him.

502
00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:43.380
I just, I think you are useless.

503
00:20:43.380 --> 00:20:46.079
You're a slide in the whole thing is when Kurt goes, you could

504
00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:49.259
have stopped him and she's like, I couldn't murder the man who

505
00:20:49.259 --> 00:20:50.400
looks like the man I loved.

506
00:20:50.940 --> 00:20:56.640
Just like, wow, you are going to Starbase 80, you stupid cow.

507
00:20:56.700 --> 00:20:57.539
Like, what the hell?

508
00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:01.440
Now, you might think I'm taking a piss by doing that voice, yeah

509
00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:04.740
but had I gone to the studios and done that voice at the time, they

510
00:21:04.740 --> 00:21:05.579
would have hired me on the spot.

511
00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:06.900
Yeah they probably would have.

512
00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:08.880
They probably would have given Michelle a week off.

513
00:21:08.940 --> 00:21:12.359
They say, well, Michelle's doing communication songs.

514
00:21:12.420 --> 00:21:15.180
Special guest star. time traveller, Joe Fold.

515
00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:17.279
Joe's doing Anna.

516
00:21:17.339 --> 00:21:18.960
Joe what?

517
00:21:19.019 --> 00:21:21.059
Actually, to be fair, if I did invent a time machine.

518
00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:23.759
I could think of worse things too than go back and voice something

519
00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:24.900
from the animated series.

520
00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:27.539
Yeah, yeah, going back and troll the animated series would be

521
00:21:27.539 --> 00:21:27.720
awesome.

522
00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:31.140
I played it at producers.

523
00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:33.480
You know, I think Shatner could dial it up a bit, you know.

524
00:21:33.539 --> 00:21:35.400
He's not really trying, is he?

525
00:21:35.460 --> 00:21:37.259
Is he on the phone from his fear?

526
00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:40.859
No, I'd be saying, I don't think there are enough parts in this

527
00:21:40.859 --> 00:21:41.880
episode for Jimmy.

528
00:21:41.940 --> 00:21:43.319
I think you should give him more parts.

529
00:21:43.380 --> 00:21:44.579
He could play Anne.

530
00:21:44.700 --> 00:21:48.180
In fact, let's just dispense at the rest of the call.

531
00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:51.180
We'll have Jimmy and Nachelle do the lot.

532
00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:51.779
Exactly.

533
00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:54.119
No, Jimmy can do the women as well.

534
00:21:55.140 --> 00:21:58.680
Now look, that does look like a Romulan on your screen, doesn't

535
00:21:58.680 --> 00:21:58.859
it?

536
00:21:58.920 --> 00:21:59.700
They've good.

537
00:21:59.700 --> 00:22:01.619
It does look like a woman from the original series.

538
00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:02.700
Yeah, yeah.

539
00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:05.339
Well, I mean, what is the Romulans?

540
00:22:05.339 --> 00:22:06.720
Much like everything else is.

541
00:22:06.779 --> 00:22:09.420
Only his mouth moves on his face.

542
00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:09.900
Yeah.

543
00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:13.319
Oh, the little lights under the under the screen move, obviously.

544
00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:15.420
Yes.

545
00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:17.460
It does sort of go to show.

546
00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:22.259
And I am going to include animated Kurtzman track as well.

547
00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:26.160
It does go to show that the, the, and Armenia is genuinely not the

548
00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:28.140
nuance you get in a facial performance.

549
00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:32.220
You know, when you watch an animation as bad as this.

550
00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:35.460
And it's just everybody appears to be an automaton.

551
00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:40.019
Yeah, it just goes to show what the actor actually brings to the

552
00:22:40.019 --> 00:22:40.259
screen.

553
00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:43.920
And in this case, almost nothing at all, I would say.

554
00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:48.960
We are going to get a mess coming up, aren't we, or not?

555
00:22:49.140 --> 00:22:53.279
He must have knocked me out long enough, Nathan, to come to the

556
00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:53.880
bridge.

557
00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:54.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

558
00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:56.160
We watched them do that.

559
00:22:56.220 --> 00:22:56.700
Here she is.

560
00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:59.220
There's...

561
00:22:59.279 --> 00:22:59.940
Fabulous.

562
00:22:59.940 --> 00:23:03.420
I mean, it's a Maine. an enormous man cascades over her

563
00:23:03.420 --> 00:23:03.720
shoulders.

564
00:23:03.779 --> 00:23:05.279
Yeah, yeah yeah.

565
00:23:05.339 --> 00:23:09.420
But Dr. Tana's sexier though, isn't she?

566
00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:11.400
She's certainly, um...

567
00:23:11.460 --> 00:23:14.700
She's very sexy when, you know, they all go sex mad.

568
00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:15.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

569
00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:18.720
But she's scratching at shacks all over the place.

570
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:20.220
Her and Shacks fucking in the holidays.

571
00:23:20.220 --> 00:23:21.420
Unbelievable.

572
00:23:21.539 --> 00:23:27.180
She goes, she goes, She's awesome.

573
00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:28.380
She's so brilliant.

574
00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:29.640
Just absolutely stupid.

575
00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:31.140
Look at Eric's hands there.

576
00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:32.400
He's only got 3 fingers.

577
00:23:32.460 --> 00:23:33.059
Yeah, yeah.

578
00:23:33.059 --> 00:23:33.960
Very enormous claws.

579
00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:36.599
But he has that arm coming out of his chest.

580
00:23:37.019 --> 00:23:40.619
It's good that there's sort of no sophisticated technology.

581
00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:42.779
It's all just big buttons, so he's got a press, you know?

582
00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:43.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

583
00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:48.539
I'm sure you can operate programmable matter with just 3 fingers.

584
00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.359
Now, this is the bit where I stopped understanding what was going

585
00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:51.599
on.

586
00:23:51.660 --> 00:23:55.079
So this guy comes in, that's Scotty apparently, although it looks

587
00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:58.259
nothing like Jimmy, and then he just comes in and pulls out all

588
00:23:58.259 --> 00:23:58.920
the wires.

589
00:23:58.980 --> 00:24:01.920
Disturbed, though. beyond the Vendorian.

590
00:24:01.980 --> 00:24:04.859
I noticed the one bit of animation. they actually really gave some

591
00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:08.640
definition to was Jimmy Dewan's arse in that scene when he was

592
00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:09.119
knocked out.

593
00:24:09.180 --> 00:24:11.759
Someone spent some time enjoying that.

594
00:24:11.819 --> 00:24:15.240
He's doing so much work, he said to the animators, you know

595
00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:15.539
please.

596
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:16.859
Give me a good bum.

597
00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:17.220
Yeah.

598
00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:21.299
Oh dear.

599
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:24.420
Although, it's kind of refreshing for him to actually play Scotty

600
00:24:24.420 --> 00:24:24.779
for once.

601
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:26.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

602
00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:26.940
Yeah.

603
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.539
That's quite not a shot look looking out through the, through the

604
00:24:30.539 --> 00:24:31.140
wall panel.

605
00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:32.759
Yeah, that's not bad, is it?

606
00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:33.839
With some wires.

607
00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:36.180
I'll take anything at this point.

608
00:24:36.299 --> 00:24:37.200
Yeah, yeah.

609
00:24:37.259 --> 00:24:39.420
Okay, so we've gotta fix the thing.

610
00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:40.740
You're not getting past me this time.

611
00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:43.019
I won't allow you.

612
00:24:44.099 --> 00:24:46.980
And he goes, just like a poor movie.

613
00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:50.220
You're practical as well.

614
00:24:50.220 --> 00:24:50.640
Lovely.

615
00:24:50.700 --> 00:24:53.160
Now he's coming on, coming onto her.

616
00:24:53.220 --> 00:24:54.539
So creepy.

617
00:24:56.700 --> 00:25:00.119
Deep feelings, you know, that only I can express.

618
00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:03.480
But what I think is actually great is the 2 of them go off

619
00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:04.859
together and try and make it work.

620
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.400
It's her and an octopus in a hostile galaxy and I think, you know

621
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:10.859
I somehow think those crazy kids are going to make it.

622
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:11.819
I think it's awesome.

623
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:17.099
Yeah, no, it's, we're all about cross species, you know.

624
00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:20.339
It's more than Beverly managed at the end of the host.

625
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:21.599
That's all I can say.

626
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:27.240
Yep I don't think humanity's ready for this bosexuality.

627
00:25:27.299 --> 00:25:30.960
What about 100 years ago when Anne was boffing that fucking

628
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:32.039
octopus?

629
00:25:32.099 --> 00:25:34.200
Like, yeah, someone should have said that.

630
00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:39.539
I mean, if lower decks have followed it up, they were sort of

631
00:25:39.539 --> 00:25:41.339
hybrid human octopus.

632
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:43.019
I've been there for it.

633
00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:43.920
So good.

634
00:25:43.980 --> 00:25:47.339
Oh, there's still time or did they drop all the episodes of lower

635
00:25:47.339 --> 00:25:48.059
decks this season?

636
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.000
No, there's only 3 at the moment.

637
00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:52.319
So they're doing it once a week.

638
00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:54.180
Oh, there's still time, though.

639
00:25:54.180 --> 00:25:54.599
That's all right.

640
00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:56.579
I know you've already drawn it, but we're hoping.

641
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:01.019
Oh, dear.

642
00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:03.720
You know, Kirk's quite buffing animation as well, isn't he?

643
00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:04.920
That's weird.

644
00:26:04.980 --> 00:26:05.819
I wasn't that muscly.

645
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:08.460
Well, he doesn't have to keep pulling his stomach in the whole

646
00:26:08.460 --> 00:26:10.259
time, is the, is the thing.

647
00:26:10.259 --> 00:26:13.500
Like, is he doesn't walk around with his shirt off, though, in the

648
00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:14.099
animated series.

649
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:17.460
No, they'd have to draw a torso. all sweaty.

650
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:18.960
Okay.

651
00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:21.240
Damage to the secondary production system.

652
00:26:21.299 --> 00:26:22.500
The Romulans are firing.

653
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:24.480
I mean this is supposed to be the exciting climax now.

654
00:26:24.539 --> 00:26:25.259
Yeah.

655
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:29.400
And but this is the bit where Carter, is that his name?

656
00:26:29.460 --> 00:26:31.319
Carter Saines.

657
00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:31.980
Carso, yeah.

658
00:26:32.099 --> 00:26:32.279
Yeah.

659
00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:36.839
Carter saves him because he realises that he doesn't want Anne to

660
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:41.819
be harmed and he remembers what Carter's actually like, even

661
00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:43.619
though he's just a Vandorian copy of him.

662
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:48.119
So in the lower decks episode is the fact that, you know, they are

663
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.420
influenced by the people that their form that they take.

664
00:26:51.539 --> 00:26:52.559
Is that important to the plot?

665
00:26:52.619 --> 00:26:53.519
No, no.

666
00:26:53.579 --> 00:26:58.680
It's just, it's just someone, like, they, they come into, in, in

667
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:03.000
envoys, it's like they, they're on this planet and it's Mariner

668
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:06.480
and Boimler, and it's the 2nd episode, so it has to establish that

669
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:12.180
Mariners are badass, you know, and that she is better and cooler

670
00:27:12.180 --> 00:27:14.279
than Boimler at dealing with aliens.

671
00:27:14.339 --> 00:27:18.660
And so we go into an Andorian bar or the Andorian sector of this

672
00:27:18.660 --> 00:27:22.619
town and he misunderstands what's going on because it turns out

673
00:27:22.619 --> 00:27:26.039
that the old man that they're all bullying is actually just a

674
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:30.059
Vendorian pretending to be an Andorian and, you know, it escapes

675
00:27:30.059 --> 00:27:30.599
and stuff.

676
00:27:30.660 --> 00:27:32.880
And like it's actually quite a good fun episode.

677
00:27:32.940 --> 00:27:35.940
It's a really good episode too for the show because it just spends

678
00:27:35.940 --> 00:27:40.559
time with Boheemler and Mariner and we get to know what they're

679
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:41.039
both like.

680
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.059
And then, you know, there's still time, you know, you remember

681
00:27:45.059 --> 00:27:50.579
that end of series one of TNG when those hicks came out of Spended

682
00:27:50.579 --> 00:27:51.059
Animation.

683
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:53.579
You know, there could be a lower decks episode in the latter half

684
00:27:53.579 --> 00:27:56.940
of the season where Anne suddenly steps out of a cloud.

685
00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:57.480
Hello.

686
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:01.980
Where am I in the future?

687
00:28:02.579 --> 00:28:06.359
Well, any of these could be in Stranger Worlds.

688
00:28:06.420 --> 00:28:07.079
That's what I think.

689
00:28:07.140 --> 00:28:09.299
That's what we love about it.

690
00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:14.700
Like, you know, there's nothing they won't cherry pick.

691
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:17.579
We've come to that point, you know, if the outrageous O'Connor can

692
00:28:17.579 --> 00:28:18.000
turn up twice.

693
00:28:18.059 --> 00:28:20.460
Yeah, definitely they won't do different series.

694
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:24.779
I mean, I think it would have been quite nice if a Vendoran are

695
00:28:24.779 --> 00:28:25.500
joined the crew here.

696
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:27.359
They open up just lots of different aliens.

697
00:28:27.420 --> 00:28:30.000
No, he's feeling bad about himself now.

698
00:28:30.059 --> 00:28:32.880
He's a loser in the Vandorians.

699
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:36.960
Can't you imagine a lot of situations where that octopus creature

700
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:37.799
would come in very handy.

701
00:28:37.859 --> 00:28:40.680
Well, the Romulans were using it as a spy, remember?

702
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:45.839
Go get out into space and stick your tentacles in their gunports

703
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:46.380
right?

704
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:50.039
No, the really baffling thing that it did, it turned itself into

705
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:51.599
the deflector shield.

706
00:28:51.900 --> 00:28:54.960
So it damaged the deflector shield because it was a communist

707
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:58.500
infiltrator that it fell in love with Anne and then it decided to

708
00:28:58.500 --> 00:29:01.140
save her by turning into a deflector shield.

709
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:04.259
So that's kind of weird and ridiculous.

710
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:06.359
But I kind of like it, like whatever.

711
00:29:06.420 --> 00:29:08.160
Did you hear that?

712
00:29:08.220 --> 00:29:10.440
He goes, you'll have to stand trial, says Kirk.

713
00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:13.440
But given the fact that we're all alive because of you, that may

714
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:15.779
be in your favour, in the trial.

715
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:17.220
Yep, and you're rich.

716
00:29:17.220 --> 00:29:19.619
So you can probably buy off the judge as well.

717
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:21.420
Oh, of course, yeah.

718
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:23.940
I mean, they like to pretend they're above this sort of thing in

719
00:29:23.940 --> 00:29:25.079
the future, but really.

720
00:29:27.539 --> 00:29:29.819
I love this. so yep.

721
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.140
I have been thinking about those tentacles and I've decided that I

722
00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:38.039
want to give a relationship a go is what Anne's thinking to

723
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:38.579
herself, I think.

724
00:29:38.819 --> 00:29:42.599
I mean, she does, forgive me, but she's thinking about those

725
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:43.380
tentacles.

726
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:44.039
I think she is.

727
00:29:44.099 --> 00:29:44.700
I think she is.

728
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:45.359
You would.

729
00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:48.779
It's a bit like Kira when no dope proposition does.

730
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.259
It's like, actually, I can see the upside, it is.

731
00:29:52.380 --> 00:29:57.839
Now, this is the longest crap joke in any Star Trek episode.

732
00:29:57.900 --> 00:29:59.400
It goes on and on and on.

733
00:29:59.460 --> 00:30:04.740
And I actually think Spock Zinger is pretty great where he says, oh

734
00:30:04.740 --> 00:30:06.839
if we'd had 2 Spocks, that would be really terrible.

735
00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:10.740
And he goes, oh, if we had 2 McCoys, that might just bring our

736
00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:15.240
medical, you know, capabilities up to acceptable levels.

737
00:30:16.259 --> 00:30:20.940
But all the time it's that plinky bullshit crap joke music at the

738
00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:21.180
end.

739
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:22.140
It's really terrible.

740
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:27.180
It's not even as good as the usual crap joke music that we're used

741
00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:28.559
to from the original series.

742
00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:30.839
It's a substandard version of that.

743
00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:32.220
And it goes for ages.

744
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:34.799
They're clearly super pleased with the crap joke there at the

745
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:35.099
end.

746
00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:40.200
But, you know, like, there is a scintilla of wit, like you said, in

747
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:44.519
that last light. completely devoid. the rest of the episode, you

748
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:44.759
know?

749
00:30:44.819 --> 00:30:46.440
That's a pretty good singer, I reckon.

750
00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:51.720
That is an original series quality, uh, quality zinger.

751
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:55.019
Well, sort of average original series. episode.

752
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:01.259
I remember like Gemma, we are judging this on anime series

753
00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:01.799
standards.

754
00:31:01.859 --> 00:31:05.700
Well, I mean, it gave us a gift of the Vendorian.

755
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:07.619
Indeed, it was that...

756
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:08.400
Yeah.

757
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:10.380
Guess what it is?

758
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:13.680
Is it just a more normal sort of straightforward Star Trek episode

759
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.500
that deals with the sort of themes that Star Trek deals with?

760
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:18.059
It's less weird.

761
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:21.480
It's not like the time trap or that magics of megas 2.

762
00:31:21.660 --> 00:31:23.519
The counterclock incident.

763
00:31:23.579 --> 00:31:25.200
The counterclock incident. you remember that?

764
00:31:25.259 --> 00:31:27.299
With the black stars on the white background.

765
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:28.140
Yeah, yeah.

766
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.619
All of that stuff is really weird and strange, and this is much

767
00:31:31.619 --> 00:31:34.859
much more standard except for the Vandorian, which we wouldn't

768
00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:37.259
have been able to do on original Trek.

769
00:31:37.380 --> 00:31:40.619
And so I can see why people like this because it's almost like

770
00:31:40.619 --> 00:31:45.119
having Star Trek back only in a much cheaper and shittier form.

771
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:50.220
Yeah, but like, do you know, when we watch 90s trek?

772
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:50.700
Yeah.

773
00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:52.619
There are many times.

774
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.220
I mean, we just watched Man Other People, and it was really very

775
00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:56.640
dull.

776
00:31:56.700 --> 00:32:00.420
But I can't think of a better time we've ever had doing untitled

777
00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:01.140
Star Trek project.

778
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:05.819
This is really very dumb in comparison, but it's so boring.

779
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.940
Like, if you're gonna be dumb, be ridiculous, you know?

780
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:09.720
Yeah.

781
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:10.140
Yeah.

782
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:14.819
Yeah, and the plotting is just so basic, isn't it?

783
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.819
There's never a twist of any kind.

784
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.900
There's never a character turn or a reversal or any of those

785
00:32:21.900 --> 00:32:24.779
wonderful things that all the great playwrights gave us.

786
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:29.640
You know, they're all ignored in favour of, okay, well, come onto

787
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:30.779
the ship, alien.

788
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:33.000
Oh marvellous, so that's BM, that's the Vendorian, whatever you

789
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:33.839
want it to be, you know.

790
00:32:33.900 --> 00:32:35.579
Well, we'll just go down to this world.

791
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:37.019
Oh, we're in a terrible situation.

792
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:38.880
Oh, the alien saved the day.

793
00:32:38.940 --> 00:32:39.720
Oh, ha ha.

794
00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:40.740
We all be friends the end.

795
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:42.960
That's basically an animated series episode.

796
00:32:43.019 --> 00:32:43.740
Pretty much.

797
00:32:43.859 --> 00:32:46.140
I can't wait to do another one.

798
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:48.960
Yeah, no, we've still got some left on the train.

799
00:33:01.019 --> 00:33:06.240
All right, it's the end of the episode, and given that this is an

800
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:10.079
experience that we probably don't want to repeat in a hurry, it's

801
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:14.400
your turn to pick something of higher quality.

802
00:33:14.460 --> 00:33:17.579
So what series are you choosing from?

803
00:33:17.819 --> 00:33:22.920
To quote Captain Cisco, there's no guarantee of that.

804
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:27.599
Okay, so I have done my usual when I'm feeling a bit lazy.

805
00:33:27.660 --> 00:33:30.420
That's all the shows. absolutely everything.

806
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.859
I mean, it does usually skewer this in 90s direction because it's

807
00:33:34.859 --> 00:33:38.880
so fucking many of them, but like, let's see what we, and it is

808
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:39.960
the 19s.

809
00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:43.740
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is oh, good grief.

810
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:48.420
Season six, episode 13, virtuoso.

811
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:50.339
Oh, is that good?

812
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:51.420
That is the episode.

813
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:52.440
No, it's really bad.

814
00:33:52.500 --> 00:33:55.500
It's the one where the doctor goes down to the planet of the

815
00:33:55.500 --> 00:33:55.799
little people.

816
00:33:55.859 --> 00:33:59.819
They're all little people with squeaky voices, but they've never

817
00:33:59.819 --> 00:34:00.839
heard music before.

818
00:34:00.900 --> 00:34:06.299
So he starts singing, you know, his operas and they turn him into

819
00:34:06.299 --> 00:34:10.079
a massive celebrity and it goes to his head and by the end of the

820
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:14.639
episode. he wants to leave the ship because he's so adored by the

821
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:15.119
little people.

822
00:34:15.539 --> 00:34:18.480
It's really very terrible.

823
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.739
I feel as if we should have something a bit better than that after

824
00:34:22.739 --> 00:34:25.679
watching the animated series.

825
00:34:25.739 --> 00:34:26.159
Okay.

826
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:28.679
Do you know what?

827
00:34:28.739 --> 00:34:30.360
I don't want to do this.

828
00:34:30.420 --> 00:34:33.480
But you're going to say we should, but I don't want to do this

829
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:36.480
because I think we've done too many great DS9 episodes lately.

830
00:34:36.539 --> 00:34:38.760
And this is possibly the best of all.

831
00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:42.119
Season one, episode 19 duet.

832
00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:47.099
But we should keep going because we cannot be left with all the

833
00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:48.059
dregs, you know?

834
00:34:48.179 --> 00:34:49.739
Yeah, yeah, fair enough. save it.

835
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:53.519
If we're gonna do, if we're gonna do it, do your side episode, it

836
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:54.719
should be a stinker.

837
00:34:54.780 --> 00:34:57.420
And this one is a DS9 episode.

838
00:34:57.480 --> 00:34:59.519
Oh, it's not a stinker, but it's an interesting one to talk

839
00:34:59.519 --> 00:34:59.820
about.

840
00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:04.199
Season four, episode 17, a session.

841
00:35:04.380 --> 00:35:08.519
That's the one with the 2nd emissary who comes out of the world.

842
00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:10.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

843
00:35:10.739 --> 00:35:15.480
It's sort of like the absolute middle pin of Cisco's journey where

844
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:18.599
he goes from, oh, how annoying I'm the emissary too.

845
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:20.400
Excepting it in this area.

846
00:35:20.460 --> 00:35:20.880
In a way.

847
00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:21.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

848
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:22.500
Yeah, yeah.

849
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.420
Oh, oh, and it's got that great subplot as well, where Keiko comes

850
00:35:27.420 --> 00:35:29.519
back to the station after all that time away.

851
00:35:29.579 --> 00:35:32.639
Do you remember when she went away in House of Quark?

852
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:33.420
To make a film?

853
00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:37.019
And O'Brien feels like he's just got a dog, her footsteps, and

854
00:35:37.019 --> 00:35:39.780
that's what she wants, and she's like, oh, God, how do I get him

855
00:35:39.780 --> 00:35:40.380
out of my hair?

856
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:41.940
Like, he's so annoying.

857
00:35:43.019 --> 00:35:47.340
So she has to manipulate a circumstance to get him off with

858
00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:47.940
Julian.

859
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:50.280
It's actually Keiko in a really fun way.

860
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:52.380
I wonder if we should do that.

861
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:56.159
Yeah, it sounds fun to do a business as usual, kind of, you know

862
00:35:56.159 --> 00:36:00.239
like a non-giant event episode of Deep Sea.

863
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:03.840
Really interesting stuff with Kira and the religion aspects as

864
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:04.019
well.

865
00:36:04.139 --> 00:36:08.099
It's kind of quite sensitively done, but pointing out all the

866
00:36:08.099 --> 00:36:09.119
contradictions, you know?

867
00:36:09.179 --> 00:36:10.079
Right, okay.

868
00:36:10.139 --> 00:36:11.940
Yeah, no, that sounds good.

869
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:13.199
I'm up for that for sure.

870
00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:15.539
After the animated series.

871
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:16.980
The only way is up.

872
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:18.539
Yep, absolutely.

873
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.480
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

874
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:31.619
and Nathan Bottomley.

875
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:35.039
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find

876
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.679
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

877
00:36:37.739 --> 00:36:41.639
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed

878
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:42.900
by Cameron Lamb.

879
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:47.039
This episode was recorded on the 5th of November 2024 and released

880
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:48.360
on the 8th of November.

881
00:36:48.420 --> 00:36:52.380
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9 at session.

882
00:37:10.980 --> 00:37:14.039
Yeah, that's a good D. That is a good deal.

883
00:37:14.099 --> 00:37:14.699
Okay, that's good.

884
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.940
But not like an out and out classic, but it is a goodie.

885
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.039
Yeah, sort of mid, right.

886
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:21.239
That the one, right?

887
00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:24.840
That's the one where and please keep this in mind when you watch

888
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:25.139
it.

889
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:27.300
Ira Bear.

890
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:32.039
He doesn't like the episode because he had a particular guest

891
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:36.780
actor in mind who took the part and then had to pull out at the

892
00:37:36.780 --> 00:37:37.260
last minute.

893
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.179
And he's like, do you know what?

894
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:41.880
He goes, it is, I know, he goes, I recognise this is a really

895
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.440
great episode with thoughtful things to say.

896
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:48.780
And the guy playing a Korum Lam is good, but David Warner was

897
00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:49.679
supposed to play that part.

898
00:37:49.739 --> 00:37:50.519
Oh, okay.

899
00:37:50.579 --> 00:37:53.460
And he really wanted Warner and DS9.

900
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:54.900
Yeah, yeah, of course.

901
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:56.340
Oh, that's a shame.

902
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:57.179
That's interesting.

903
00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:59.159
And he would have been brilliant.

904
00:37:59.219 --> 00:38:00.000
Yeah, of course.

905
00:38:00.059 --> 00:38:01.139
So good.

906
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:02.460
Let me, you know what?

907
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:04.800
dash in a 2nd because I'm going to save this and send it to you

908
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.019
now because you need this, don't you?

909
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.480
You need this like ASAP.

910
00:38:09.659 --> 00:38:12.000
Oh, man, I hate dashing.

911
00:38:12.059 --> 00:38:13.019
That's right.

912
00:38:13.019 --> 00:38:13.619
That's all right.

913
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.059
I'll be on the chat.

914
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.880
I'll say good night to you before I go to bed and stuff. you have

915
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:18.599
to sort of run around.