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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, I'm a bit excited about this one, because this is Star Trek

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The Next Generation, My First Love, and it's season six, which is

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the 1st season that I remember being completely new, I think.

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And I remember watching this at the time, like in context after

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realm of fear.

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So it's season six, episode three, Man of the People. and it's the

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1st episode written by Frank Abatamarco, who is getting a producer

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credit.

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He's someone who's new to the show.

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Um, and it's his 1st go at it.

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And I'm not sure that it's a super successful script, but it's a

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pretty entertaining episode.

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What did you think?

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Nathan, I know you've been podcasting with Tom Selinski.

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You want him, don't you?

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He can offer you nothing that I can't offer you.

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That whore.

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I mean, I think this is possibly the most stupid episode of Star

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Trek, the Next Generation, ever scripted on every level.

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There comes up the long ladder, right?

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No, this is more stupid than that.

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That's just a savage dick of the Irish.

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No, this is stupid in its premise.

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It's stupid in its resolution.

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Everybody's very stupid in how they react to everything.

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Like it is ridiculously bad and deliriously enjoyable to watch

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primarily because our beloved Saint Marina Thurtis gets to have

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the best time she ever has in any Star Trek episode.

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So we've seen her possessed in PowerPlay and she was pretty great

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in PowerPlay.

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Um, and I guess there's the loss, perhaps.

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Oh she's behaving out of character.

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Fabulous bitch in the loss, isn't she?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But this, like this, where she gets to sort of vamp and stuff.

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And like the whole kind of premise is super sexist and she behaves

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in a way that, you know, kind of straight men find annoying or

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something.

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I don't quite know what's going on there, but she's

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hypersexualized and jealous and possessive and annoying in all

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sorts of ways.

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And so all of her kind of negative emotions are portrayed in this

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sort of massively cliched sexist.

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Crazy.

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Jealous hacks.

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She becomes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And of course, because it's written by a bloke, you know, all she

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could possibly do.

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There's no nuance to it at all.

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All she wants is the man.

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That's it.

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That's all there is to that.

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But, you know, I feel like Marina just looked at the script and

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went, well, this is problematic.

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Let's go for it.

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Please make my hair as outrageous as possible, give me a costume

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that shows off my tits.

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You know, I'm just gonna play this to the hill.

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And, uh, you know what?

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I didn't sense one hint of embarrassment from her in any scene.

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And given some of these scenes, that is some acting feat.

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I'm telling you. is pretty great.

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Look, I mean, I think the problem is that Marina is a really great

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actress and we've seen her, for instance, in Picard, many, many

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years later, and just how great she is, and how great the 2 of

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them are, Jonathan Frakes and her.

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But she's saddled with this sort of deadly conception of the

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character, and it really is only in 1st contact when she gets

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pissed with Zephron Cochrane that she lets her hair down and

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starts acting like Marina, which should always have been the

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thing.

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There are hidden kids. in the 2nd half of TNG's run.

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There's that wonderful scene in the game where she sexualises a

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chocolate sundae and possibly the most sort of, I've never kind of

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been in agreement with a character ever before in my life.

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She practically has an orgasm eating that chocolate Sunday.

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And I'm like, the Riker says, can I leave you 2 alone?

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You know, like, savour every mouthful, she goes, yeah.

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She puts it in her mouth and goes, hmm.

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Yeah.

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So there are touches, but man, you're right.

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They just wanted to be a good girl so much.

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And that's why this is so good though, because she ain't a good

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girl at all in this.

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No, no.

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And in fact, there are hints of it at the beginning.

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I really like her reaction to having to do the crew evaluations

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and stuff.

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She's clearly tired and bored and doesn't want to do it.

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And I really like that, that made her seem human in a way that

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she's rarely allowed to.

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We get a glimpse, aren't we?

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in the counselling scene.

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Of the sort of counselling, she normally has to endure. are the

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people she's got to deal with and evaluate.

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So yeah, I can imagine it is quite tedious.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So like I just think this is terrifically fun.

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It is as dumb as hell and but we've decided I'm wearing dumb TNG

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can be glorious.

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It's pretty great I loved Genesis.

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Remember, I'm on record for loving Genesis.

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I can't hate this, I think.

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Remember my list of Trek that I love?

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You know, I did a couple of weeks ago and I put sort of schlocky

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dreadful B movie trek is in there.

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Man, of the people would probably rank as a top three, you know

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within that subgenre.

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Yeah, I reckon it probably does.

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It really, really does.

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All right.

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Well, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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There's not a lot of in-depth analysis to do.

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Please, folks, prepare yourself for some serious quotes in this

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episode, all right, because this dialogue has got to be heard.

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It's so good.

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It's so good.

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All right.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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There we go.

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Do you know, I did notice, you know, watching this today.

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Just how glorious TNG looks in HD.

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You know, the cleaned up version.

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They look pretty great.

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My God.

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You absolutely know when you're going back to Voyager and DS 9

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everything sort of looks like it's been smeared with Vaseline a

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bit on the lens, doesn't it?

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Yeah, it's very muddy.

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Although it's not doing Brent's makeup all that much.

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Do you think Brent's makeup is the problem in this?

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Oh my god.

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Oh my god.

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We've got the great thing about how people's faces grow 3 times

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the size when they get older.

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We'll get it.

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We'll get it.

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Yeah.

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So this is the usual boring Star Trek and the generation plan with

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2 factions.

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And we've had the Kes Print, I think, in Voyager.

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This is Ray Cog Sironia.

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And this ship here, where we 1st see Alcar, is called the Dorian

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because of course it is because of the picture Dorian.

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Oh, see what you're doing there, Mr. Scriptwriter. you know?

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This is a very niche reference, but do you not think that

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spaceship looks a bit like the tissue compression eliminator from

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Doctor Who?

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Doctor Who?

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It does a little bit.

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That is a kind of tarted up version of the original model.

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That's obviously a new optical.

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How bad was the original then?

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It was pretty bad.

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You know, they're trying to still make it look quite as boring as

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it does.

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They do tart the planet up as well.

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So, I mean, Deanna is looking really good at this point in the

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show's run, I think.

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She's not...

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She looks so tired.

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She's been down on those beaches, hasn't she?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, she's Greek, isn't she?

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So I think she's got a natural hue to her skin.

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Exactly.

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But, you know, they made her up in one and two, didn't they, to

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look like an albino?

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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She had very pale skin and now she looks, now she's looking really

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healthy and really great and really beautiful.

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This woman is great.

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She is.

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So this is Alcohol's girlfriend stroke mother.

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We're not quite sure at this point Yes. initially girlfriend and

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then mother.

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The thing is that what she says here is all true, uh, in the sense

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that if you have a relationship with him, you'll regret it.

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And it's hard to know what's kind of going on here.

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Is this going to be a thing about dementia?

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You know, is this going to be a sort of proper issue thing about

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dementia, but it also just turns out that one of the 2 kinds of

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bad women are witches and so she's one of them. what she looks

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like.

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She belongs in Hansel and Gretel's cottage.

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Yeah, but we've been doing this for 6 years now, right?

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Six seasons.

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We know when someone comes on board the ship and starts, you know

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going, don't look at him, you know, you'll regret it.

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Please listen to these people, all right?

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It always means something, you know?

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When she starts ageing and acting out of character.

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Everyone should just be like, okay, it's happening again.

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Please get her to Sick Bay.

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Let's find out what's going on.

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No one remembers a fucking thing on this show, do they?

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No, no, no.

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There's no way that Mariner would have put up with this shit.

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She would have immediately known.

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She would have listened or it's the holiday or...

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The last 15 times in detail.

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The last time someone aged.

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Do you remember it was this?

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I would like to say, though, I think, I don't know what the

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actor's name is.

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I think the guy playing our car gives a really good performance.

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Like, I think he gets the tone in the episode and trust me, these

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guest actors don't always do that.

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So we have seen him before on untitled Star Trek Project because

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he's Mabis, the leader of the trade in alliances.

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Oh, a much more boring role than this.

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A much more boring character, and he will be back in an episode

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called Fortunate Sun, an episode of Enterprise, playing a sort of

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pirate guy called Keane.

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They saved the most boring role for him for Larson.

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But I thought he was creepy, but, you know, he was sort of pouring

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on the charm in the early part of the episode.

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So you can kind of see how Troy is a little bit interested.

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And then later on, he just plays all the moments where Picard

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confronts him with a general sort of shoulder shrugging.

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Well, yes, of course, that's what I've done, you know, like, look

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at these important negotiations I've got to do.

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I don't know.

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He just got it.

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He got he got the note, you know?

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I think he did too.

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You know, like, if this is about anything and it isn't, but if it

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were about something, he's kind of like a kind of leftist guy who

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everyone admires and he's got very right on opinions and he goes

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and does good in the world and he has a series of girlfriends whom

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he just fucks over completely because he's absolutely awful.

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And because his left wing opinions are mostly a way of getting

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pretty girls into bed.

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You know, like he just seems to be that kind of person, like just

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a truly, truly dreadful, awful person.

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But they never, like, they don't obviously lean into that until

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the very end.

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He's sort of got this bland veneer as well, hasn't he?

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where he seems inoffensive.

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Yeah.

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And that's because all of his offensive, horrible things are sort

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of being, you know, sluiced away and dumped on whatever his

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current girlfriend is or whoever his current receptacle is the

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word that he uses.

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Even his way of sort of, you know, vampirically sucking the life

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out of his victims, your stupidness, touching together the 2 rocks

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and the funeral ritual.

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I just love this.

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But it is also, but it's also he's like a creepy, emotionally

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manipulative guy, like I've just suffered this great loss, and I

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really need you to comfort me, and that's how he kind of sucks the

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next, the next victim.

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Just written by B. He really is a proper fucking creep.

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This was written by I think no one's...

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He seems like a plausible character, you know?

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Like, he's like, right.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But like, I don't think they're trying to say anything about

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people like that and maybe that's just me trying, you know

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grasping at straws, trying to get something out of it.

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I'm doing the exercises with Wharf now in this scene.

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Finally the opening credits.

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Look at this.

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Oh, look, it's like 6 minutes in.

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Fabulous Enson from the bridge.

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What's her name?

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It is.

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I can't remember, but she's clearly... season 6 episodes, you

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know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Usually there's rocks flying over our head or something like that

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on the bridge.

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You know.

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So Alcohol, you know, he's doing the callisthenics class.

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Is that what call it?

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Yeah, I can't I did mean to look it up, but I can't remember what

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it's called.

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Oh, look at those, look at that really shitty wall panel they've

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got there.

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I put a big lie on.

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I mean it looks like foam, doesn't it?

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It is, yeah, it looks like the sort of vacuum that you have on the

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wall of a studio, like a audio studio.

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It's a very cheap set, but I don't know.

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It sells the look.

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And one of the things that the Enterprise does is that it has lots

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of spaces on it over 7 years in a way that maybe, you know, Voyager

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dozens.

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Thought this was an odd cut.

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So now they're walking along the corridor.

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Obviously, the old woman dies very quickly, doesn't she?

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Yeah.

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So we can get to the point of the funeral ritual and Troy going

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through all of this.

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The 2nd the old woman dies and Troy should go, hmm, you know, she

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did warn me about him, you know.

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Like, should we look into this?

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And Dr. Beverly's there going, well, this is all very suspicious

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you know?

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No one's doing the right thing about it. space reasons.

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I was just screaming at the TV.

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You competent space people are incompetent.

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So I actually think there is, she's kind of a bit easygoing in

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this scene with him.

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And although it has the usual problem where Star Trek the Next

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Generation can't make its characters actually genuinely funny

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because they can't write really proper comedy lines.

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There is something easy about her.

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She is a little bit relaxed and like, I kind of like this, this

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sort of fairly frank conversation that she has.

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I like the performance by her, so, okay, you know, calmness

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tranquillity.

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Those are the qualities that you embody.

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I'm like, who even talks like this?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Who talks like this?

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But she's just chill.

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We say at home and again when these actors get to chill, they feel

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like real people, no matter what ridiculous dialogue is coming out

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of their mouth. relaxed, even the way she's holding herself

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relaxed, she's got to be...

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No, no.

328
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Oh, we're serious, look, the evil witch.

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Tom Selinski, you're not looking well, you know.

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I don't think he actually has it off with anyone, though, does he

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Alka?

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He just...

333
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No, no, he doesn't have it off with his receptacles at all.

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He says to her that she can't do it, and that's part of the

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thing.

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I really like Marina's reaction when this conversation ends.

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Like, it's just like, oh, this is weird.

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I'm out of here, you know, like, yeah, you'll regret it for the

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rest of your life.

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There you go.

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I mean, that woman got the note as well because she's having great

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fun, you know?

343
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Yeah, yeah, she's awesome.

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Her death when she's dead.

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Like, she's in Cheryl and goes off.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. really good.

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And Marina has great hair in every scene.

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I imagine this one actually.

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The fellow who plays our car.

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You know, he must have got the script and thought, oh, no, I'm

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bureaucrat.

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How boring.

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Open page one and thought, oh, great.

354
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You know, I've seen a few next generation episodes.

355
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I'm going to go down to the colony planet.

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There's going to be some argument.

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And as he started flicking through the paint, he must have been

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like, oh, yeah, baby.

359
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Oh, yeah.

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You get to be evil. have all these evil old women clawing their

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way over me.

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Let's go.

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It's time for the dreaded crew evaluations, Nathan.

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We see, I really like this and I like how she describes what

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happened with our car's mother and all of that.

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And even her use of the word evil and malevolent and stuff is

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pretty great, you know.

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What you don't realise is that Nathan and I have so many podcasts

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between us now, is that we do our podcast evaluations every now

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and again, don't we?

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You know?

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Of all the podcasts that are around us.

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Obviously not ours.

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They're all perfect.

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You know, we sort of rank them and decide which ones we're going

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to watch or not. similar sort of thing.

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Exactly.

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But this is good, isn't it?

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These 2 together?

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I think they're really good Do you know, I realised after she was

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in that fabulous vampi outfit later.

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When she goes back into sort of this body stocking, it does her

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arse, no favours at all, does it?

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Like, it's really...

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It's that those figure honey... is what?

386
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That's a load of words, you know?

387
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I think that I think she looks pretty fucking great.

388
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It is a terrible outfit.

389
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Oh, she was awesome, isn't it?

390
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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She's like, and she's like, she's really holding that position.

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Good for her.

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It feels like a perfect segue to tell the story very quickly.

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I told Nathan.

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I used to wake up in the middle of the night, go downstairs and

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write Star Trek reviews on my computer, and there was a point

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where the fence blew down between my garden and the neighbours, and

398
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the old woman at 4 in the morning next door was out during her

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washing or something.

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I don't know what she was doing in the garden.

401
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It was pitch black.

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I could see something moving about, and I looked out the window

403
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and she went, look, her hands came up like talons.

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I was fucking terrified.

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I ran up the stairs. sweating for the rest of the night.

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So, you know, it's not so important.

407
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She is dead now, isn't she?

408
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Well, they're both dead, yeah.

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And the woman in the episode.

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I imagine she died in a similar way.

411
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And so now he's doing the creeper.

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I'm bereaved and would you come and do this thing and you're the

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only one who can do it?

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This is close coffin shaped thing.

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I imagine the wrong sort of man would use, you know, grief and

416
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stuff like that as a way of manipulating people around them.

417
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Oh, yeah.

418
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

419
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Yeah.

420
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Yeah, and he does it twice.

421
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It works on, what's her name?

422
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Lever or something.

423
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Oh, wait till we get to lever.

424
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I mean, she's got literally no depth about her at all, is she?

425
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She is literally a plot function in this episode. devoid of

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personality, but it is believable that Troy would be like, oh, of

427
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course, you know, yes, I'm sure respect your wishes.

428
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Let's touch stones and yeah, yeah, yeah.

429
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But he does it in this.

430
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It's sort of slightly creepy and invasive.

431
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Like, you can actually see it from the special effect.

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He touches her stone.

433
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She don't touch you.

434
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Yeah. unexpectedly, and her reaction is great.

435
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Wonderful action, isn't it?

436
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It's a really, really immediately.

437
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Yeah.

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Something has happened.

439
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Although, again, he looks triumphant.

440
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He's smiling like an absolute fucking creep.

441
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At this point, go and speak to Captain Picard and say, I did this

442
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bizarre ritual.

443
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I felt something very wrong.

444
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No, no, but like, you can't just hand wave everyone behaving

445
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stupidly.

446
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There comes a point, you know, when you've done this enough time

447
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so you go, yeah, all right, I know what I've got to do this time.

448
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But because it's an anthology show and they never really learn

449
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from anything. you hear that?

450
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Ensign Janeway.

451
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Ensign James.

452
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This is Anson Janeway.

453
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Exactly. sister, do you think?

454
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Auntie, perhaps?

455
00:19:32.819 --> 00:19:35.160
Yeah, it must be an auntie.

456
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She's very, she's very young.

457
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It's Ensign Janeway is the ensign who she's horrible to in the

458
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counselling session later.

459
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That is why, you know, you know, sort of Troy's in unusual

460
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circumstances in Picard, because Captain Janeway, now an admiral

461
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comes back to the Al Quadrant.

462
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You were so awful to my aunt.

463
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To my niece.

464
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No, it's a niece.

465
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So you say, yeah.

466
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Yeah, you're going to live out of a shack in the woods, all

467
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right.

468
00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:06.480
Oh, please, can we talk about Gates McFadden in this episode?

469
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I actually think, again, in this, She's given all of the medical

470
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techno battle, which is absolutely terrible at.

471
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But when she knows what's happening.

472
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Do you know what I mean?

473
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When it's not a space scene, she kind of gets it.

474
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And so I think she's okay.

475
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It's peculiar affliction.

476
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I was really, because she was so naturalistic in quality of life

477
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yeah, and so chill.

478
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And this sort of glazed look comes over her face.

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Like, she just can't be asked to say the lines.

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And there is no emotion in her face.

481
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It's so strange.

482
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I thought that was a pretty good moment with Patrick Stewart

483
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though.

484
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Okay, so this scene.

485
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So we have Jay Chataway back doing the music.

486
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It's good, isn't it?

487
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I thought it was good Yeah.

488
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In this scene in particular, I think, where it's trying to sort of

489
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so, this scene, I think I'm trying to sort of work out what this

490
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scene is for, and partly it's so that she can stroke her tits and

491
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sort of weird stuff can happen, but it is, her hair is already

492
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kind of, you know, like losing, it's going all fuzzy and stuff

493
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like that.

494
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But she's trying to regain control of herself.

495
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That's what that whole scene was about before, that she could tell

496
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how in control of himself Alcoa was from the way that he

497
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participated in whatever this thing is called, and now she's like

498
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kind of exposing a...

499
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There is no other poison, a generation where a heterosexual man is

500
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more turned on than this scene, you know.

501
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Well, I think that is part of the Because, you know, in making

502
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Deanna Troy, you know, relaxed and in control of her sexuality and

503
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all of this, it's just the most sexist thing you could possibly

504
00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:51.900
it's the most exploitative thing you could do to her.

505
00:21:52.140 --> 00:21:55.619
Well, I mean, she is in control, but she's also just

506
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inappropriately horny.

507
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Do you know what I mean?

508
00:21:58.019 --> 00:22:00.299
And it's back to the whole rotten pre idea.

509
00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:04.319
Is he if Frank has not been watching it for the last 3 years or

510
00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:06.960
something and now we're back to like the women are just super

511
00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:09.720
horny because... imagine if it was a bloke, right?

512
00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:11.160
They never would have done it.

513
00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:13.740
No they wouldn't have done it like that at all.

514
00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:15.119
They wouldn't have done.

515
00:22:15.180 --> 00:22:18.000
I mean, and you know, it gives for funny scenes, like this is

516
00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:20.819
pretty great where she sort of comes in and wants to have sex with

517
00:22:20.819 --> 00:22:24.480
him and again, look how chill she looks and how fabulous she

518
00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:24.720
looks.

519
00:22:24.779 --> 00:22:28.619
No, the twist in the knife when he says, you know, I am attracted

520
00:22:28.619 --> 00:22:29.700
to you, but we can't do this.

521
00:22:29.700 --> 00:22:35.039
And how her body language changes. you know, what you're rejecting

522
00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:35.460
me?

523
00:22:35.579 --> 00:22:36.779
Look at me.

524
00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:38.099
Yeah, yeah.

525
00:22:38.099 --> 00:22:40.200
She is so great.

526
00:22:40.259 --> 00:22:42.000
She looks fabulous, doesn't she?

527
00:22:42.059 --> 00:22:46.140
It's like every sort of, every kind of acting she's wanted to do

528
00:22:46.140 --> 00:22:47.700
soon as encounter at Far Point.

529
00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:49.380
She jams into this episode.

530
00:22:49.380 --> 00:22:51.660
And good on it.

531
00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:54.180
I know, it's such a shame.

532
00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:55.380
She's so wasted.

533
00:22:55.440 --> 00:23:00.240
Like, it's such a ridiculous character, and she so rarely gets to

534
00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:03.960
be naturalistic, and even before she's possessed, she's just

535
00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:06.779
chilling a little bit, I think, which is nice.

536
00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:10.440
It's like, you know, like the chocolate thing is a thing, but it's

537
00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:15.180
the least imaginative character trait you can think of for a woman

538
00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:15.779
her age.

539
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:19.619
It's like fucking Kathy, you know, or chocolate.

540
00:23:19.740 --> 00:23:21.660
Like that's so mid.

541
00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:22.440
It's so boring.

542
00:23:22.740 --> 00:23:28.200
But she has fun with it here and clearly has fun with it in the

543
00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:28.619
game.

544
00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:32.700
He looks like a very awkward geek that just never had sex in his

545
00:23:32.700 --> 00:23:33.119
life.

546
00:23:33.180 --> 00:23:34.920
That's how he's sort of playing this scene, isn't it?

547
00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:37.859
I know he can't do anything with her because he knows that she's

548
00:23:37.859 --> 00:23:40.559
ageing and all of this, but he's sort of holding himself stiff and

549
00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:43.140
awkward and yeah, yeah, yeah.

550
00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:45.000
It's really quite uncomfortable.

551
00:23:45.059 --> 00:23:45.960
And I like that.

552
00:23:46.019 --> 00:23:48.240
I like the, it's making me feel a bit awkward.

553
00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:52.019
Is it that he can't have sex?

554
00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:58.619
Because he's, you know, all his horny feelings, which are evil

555
00:23:58.619 --> 00:24:00.299
being put onto Deanna.

556
00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:01.740
Oh I see.

557
00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:03.599
So that's why he does this.

558
00:24:03.660 --> 00:24:06.000
Because he's a massive hornbag.

559
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:09.059
He stays young and, you know, and in control and a great

560
00:24:09.059 --> 00:24:11.220
negotiator, but he loses his libido.

561
00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:14.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah. because the lady gets it.

562
00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:16.380
Oh, how unfortunate.

563
00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:18.420
I'd rather get old, you know, stay horny.

564
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:20.220
Oh, here we go.

565
00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:21.839
This guy.

566
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:24.000
He's got the worst hair.

567
00:24:24.059 --> 00:24:26.759
He is so like...

568
00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:30.900
This is a straight guy's idea of what an attractive young man

569
00:24:30.900 --> 00:24:31.319
looks like.

570
00:24:31.380 --> 00:24:32.640
You know what?

571
00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:36.119
There's an episode of Enterprise where Tapau goes through the

572
00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:40.920
Pomfara and she's menacing men through the corridors, almost

573
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:42.420
horror style. right?

574
00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:44.880
it's entirely the wrong way to do it.

575
00:24:44.940 --> 00:24:47.039
The message is, you know, hoardy women are dangerous.

576
00:24:47.099 --> 00:24:51.599
Whereas the way Troy plays it in that, um, turbo lift is great.

577
00:24:51.660 --> 00:24:53.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

578
00:24:53.220 --> 00:24:54.839
She just leans back very relaxed.

579
00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:56.400
Look, and she's come out.

580
00:24:56.460 --> 00:24:59.940
She's brought her breasts with her, like, like, you can see her

581
00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:01.619
nipples through that dress.

582
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:02.160
Look at it.

583
00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:03.180
It's outrageous.

584
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:04.380
There's no back to it.

585
00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:05.700
It's wonderful.

586
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:07.259
And he's smiling.

587
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:10.259
He's going, oh, okay, we're doing this, which I think is really

588
00:25:10.259 --> 00:25:10.559
great.

589
00:25:10.619 --> 00:25:15.000
And then when he looks over at her, he's just kind of going, oh

590
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:15.359
okay.

591
00:25:15.420 --> 00:25:16.559
So we're doing this.

592
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:17.640
And he's annoyed.

593
00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:18.420
He's not jealous.

594
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:20.700
I don't think he's annoyed or jealous at all.

595
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:23.519
And then he kind of goes, actually, you're being a bit of a

596
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:23.880
priest.

597
00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.460
Now, when she starts the pot, is great.

598
00:25:26.579 --> 00:25:28.619
When she goes, are you pissed off?

599
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:30.180
You are pissed off, aren't you?

600
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.700
none of your business. really jealous, yeah, you know.

601
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:36.599
I mean, Marina, you play a wonderful bitch, you know?

602
00:25:36.660 --> 00:25:39.180
Like, honestly, you're so convincing.

603
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:41.220
I mean look at that.

604
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:43.740
She looks like she's dressed for dynasty, but even more

605
00:25:43.740 --> 00:25:44.400
glamorous.

606
00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:46.319
Yeah, yeah.

607
00:25:46.380 --> 00:25:53.339
Yeah, well, so what is unconvincing here is, of course, that he is

608
00:25:53.339 --> 00:25:54.240
her friend.

609
00:25:54.299 --> 00:25:55.500
They're really close.

610
00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:59.220
This is too weird for kind of like all people to do.

611
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:00.299
That's weird.

612
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:01.380
I like this.

613
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:04.079
It's kind of like, because he's going, what the fuck was that?

614
00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:07.559
You know, like he shakes his head as he walks off and goes, what's

615
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:08.400
she up to?

616
00:26:08.460 --> 00:26:10.079
Like, why is she behaving like that?

617
00:26:10.140 --> 00:26:12.059
And we're seeing all these reaction sorts.

618
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:13.559
We've seen that Beverly's not convinced.

619
00:26:13.619 --> 00:26:14.940
We seeing that Riker's not convinced.

620
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:16.019
Nobody's convinced.

621
00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:20.940
Nobody's doing anything about it she's got, you know, 15 layers of

622
00:26:20.940 --> 00:26:24.000
latex slapped on her face. poor woman.

623
00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:27.299
Oh no, look at that graphic on the wall. looks very boring.

624
00:26:27.420 --> 00:26:28.259
What are they talking about?

625
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:29.640
Mining.

626
00:26:29.700 --> 00:26:30.779
That must be the...

627
00:26:30.779 --> 00:26:33.900
No, it's the city of Darth.

628
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:35.400
It's a map of the city.

629
00:26:35.460 --> 00:26:37.079
Oh, a few sides.

630
00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:38.099
It's fucking gold.

631
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:39.720
The Twin City Vader.

632
00:26:39.779 --> 00:26:41.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

633
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:43.140
I mean, listen to this.

634
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:45.599
Ray Cox and the Ceronians.

635
00:26:46.740 --> 00:26:48.480
Oh, I couldn't be less interested.

636
00:26:48.539 --> 00:26:50.400
Do you know what the funniest?

637
00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:51.000
I don't know.

638
00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:55.980
The funniest part of that whole plot is when woman exposition, plot

639
00:26:55.980 --> 00:26:56.400
what's her name?

640
00:26:56.460 --> 00:27:01.619
The one he tries to, yeah, Riva comes along and goes, oh, Alka.

641
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:05.700
The Sironian Ambassadors arguing with somebody and it's all

642
00:27:05.700 --> 00:27:06.539
falling apart.

643
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:10.319
And I'm like, oh my god, even where we're not seeing any details

644
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:12.059
it sounds so tedious.

645
00:27:12.299 --> 00:27:18.480
What I love is that Star Trek thinks that in diplomatic situations

646
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:21.960
everyone just argues about the seating arrangements all the time.

647
00:27:22.019 --> 00:27:25.680
So whenever there's a conference, do you remember, like the next

648
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:29.579
episode that this guy's in, alliances, they're everyone's bitching

649
00:27:29.579 --> 00:27:32.039
about what the seating arrangements are going to be at the

650
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:32.579
conference.

651
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:33.480
Oh, here we go.

652
00:27:33.539 --> 00:27:34.440
Here we go.

653
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:36.660
And Janeway is why we're here.

654
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:37.859
She's actually having a bad time.

655
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:42.000
She's a point free variance in her work in the wrong direction.

656
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:47.339
The man above her is giving her up. is being mean to her.

657
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:48.779
He's giving us a...

658
00:27:48.779 --> 00:27:53.700
Sorry, stupid names. giving her a hard time.

659
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:56.220
Troy is trying to look sympathetic, right?

660
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:58.500
But for once, just for once.

661
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.920
She gets to say what she's actually thinking about these whining

662
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:02.339
falls.

663
00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:06.960
But look at, like, just in performance, she's so bored.

664
00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:10.319
Like, the great thing is, she's listening to this woman say the

665
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:10.559
thing.

666
00:28:10.619 --> 00:28:13.259
She's just kind of rolling her eyes and here she goes, maybe he's

667
00:28:13.259 --> 00:28:14.400
just tired of hearing you complain.

668
00:28:14.460 --> 00:28:16.380
I like how she twists it as well.

669
00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:19.619
And she manages to turn it into a threat, you know, if you're not

670
00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:21.720
up to it, you know. not up to it.

671
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:25.140
We only take the best on this shit. really upset.

672
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:29.039
And what's great is we never come back to this.

673
00:28:29.099 --> 00:28:30.359
This is never solved.

674
00:28:30.420 --> 00:28:31.500
We don't make this up.

675
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:35.279
So she just thinks that Deanna has said this to her because she's

676
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:36.779
being a whiny baby.

677
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:37.920
Can't we just cut?

678
00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:41.220
So Ensign Janeway on the bridge every time Troy's around, just

679
00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:43.380
giving her a look that goes, you bitch.

680
00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:45.420
I hate you, you know.

681
00:28:45.900 --> 00:28:47.819
But this is so great.

682
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.880
You know, Starfleet only takes the best, you know.

683
00:28:50.940 --> 00:28:53.579
Honestly, if you can't handle a .3 variance.

684
00:28:53.819 --> 00:28:55.980
Suck it up, princess.

685
00:28:56.099 --> 00:28:56.700
Where did she say?

686
00:28:56.700 --> 00:28:58.859
We'll send you to a transport ship.

687
00:28:58.920 --> 00:28:59.220
All right.

688
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:00.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

689
00:29:00.420 --> 00:29:04.019
And look, look, her lower lips quivering again, then she gets up

690
00:29:04.019 --> 00:29:05.339
and leaves across the front.

691
00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:09.420
And then as she leaves, he goes, she goes, glad I could help.

692
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:13.019
So funny. the best line in the entire episode.

693
00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:14.759
Mama, what's happening here?

694
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.359
There's 5 seconds of this, this shot.

695
00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:21.059
Well, Beverly looks like she's standing like that.

696
00:29:21.059 --> 00:29:22.259
Pumping the console.

697
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:24.240
It's a very strange shot.

698
00:29:24.299 --> 00:29:27.000
My other half went, what's she doing to that console?

699
00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:29.819
I went, I'm not entirely sure, you know.

700
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:34.259
But why are we coming to that very long, slower savage shot of

701
00:29:34.259 --> 00:29:35.220
them just standing there.

702
00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:37.980
They've got to kill 5 seconds.

703
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:39.299
That's why.

704
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:44.460
So it's Rick Colby, again, who is, you know, very important and

705
00:29:44.460 --> 00:29:45.779
does all of the big episodes.

706
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:50.160
You know, later on, I could see Patrick Stewart's body double very

707
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.259
clearly in that transporter pad, you know?

708
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:54.299
Perhaps he needed a bit more time.

709
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:56.519
Oh my god.

710
00:29:56.579 --> 00:29:58.740
No, she's smiling at Laval here.

711
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.779
So actually that wasn't too bad at that bit.

712
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:02.220
There is a bit laid out.

713
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:05.099
I will point it out, you know, where she's pure robot.

714
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:08.940
Yeah, no, but her and LeVar, I think, actually work really well

715
00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:09.299
together.

716
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:11.460
They always sort of chill out together.

717
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.460
Coming up is my favourite marina look in the whole episode now.

718
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:16.559
Oh, in the whole series.

719
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:21.779
She's got this massive bum haircut with a huge gray curl coming

720
00:30:21.779 --> 00:30:22.140
down.

721
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:23.519
Oh she is.

722
00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:26.099
I mean, that dress.

723
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.680
The dress is astounding.

724
00:30:28.740 --> 00:30:30.599
I mean, I think I would, you know.

725
00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:35.880
She looks absolutely stunning.

726
00:30:35.940 --> 00:30:38.160
Oh, that dress.

727
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:43.980
It's like the most fabulous lapis losing, they could possibly fall

728
00:30:43.980 --> 00:30:45.180
and spun into a dress.

729
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:47.460
It's wonderful.

730
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:52.680
But it's also just mostly a kind of transparent mesh. you know

731
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:53.880
with smesh.

732
00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:58.859
It looks great.

733
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.440
I mean, she has got a body to die for.

734
00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:03.240
Why should she show up?

735
00:31:03.299 --> 00:31:04.259
She just looks terrific.

736
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:05.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

737
00:31:05.819 --> 00:31:07.079
Now, we're coming up.

738
00:31:07.140 --> 00:31:10.319
Can I just say, we're coming up to a signal that I really

739
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:10.980
dislike.

740
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.819
And that is when they go to the quarters and she comes onto

741
00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:15.720
Riker.

742
00:31:15.779 --> 00:31:20.220
Yeah. and he kisses her and I really hate that.

743
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:24.180
I really, really hate that, that he knows something is influencing

744
00:31:24.180 --> 00:31:24.480
her.

745
00:31:24.539 --> 00:31:27.299
He knows something is wrong and he still gives in.

746
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:29.640
Instead of going, right, come with me.

747
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:31.440
I'm going to take you to Sick Bay.

748
00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:34.319
And frankly, you fucking deserves for it to slash his face like

749
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:35.279
she does, she does.

750
00:31:35.339 --> 00:31:36.960
Yeah, yeah.

751
00:31:37.019 --> 00:31:39.000
I don't think you would do that now.

752
00:31:39.059 --> 00:31:42.359
You would never do that now just because consent, you know, like

753
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.960
everyone's, you know, like you, it would be like him taking

754
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:47.400
advantage of her when she's drunk.

755
00:31:47.460 --> 00:31:50.940
You know, and even though they're a relationship is established

756
00:31:50.940 --> 00:31:53.819
even though, you know, under any other circumstances, this would

757
00:31:53.819 --> 00:31:54.779
be perfectly acceptable.

758
00:31:54.779 --> 00:31:57.480
I just don't like the fact that he kisses her.

759
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.180
No, and he goes in again.

760
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:03.720
Well, he's resisting for a second, but then, yeah, yeah.

761
00:32:03.779 --> 00:32:05.759
I am actually really horny for you.

762
00:32:05.819 --> 00:32:08.759
I realise you're under the influence, but never mind, you know.

763
00:32:08.819 --> 00:32:10.079
Not nice.

764
00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:14.099
No, and I just think it's not been properly thought through.

765
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.559
That's odd too, the way he sort of backs out.

766
00:32:16.619 --> 00:32:20.039
So that's the end of Marina looking truly beautiful in this

767
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:23.220
episode because now the latex cometh.

768
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:25.500
Yeah, and here it is.

769
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:30.420
And I think I said to you, uh, like I imagined Renee Auberchinois

770
00:32:30.420 --> 00:32:33.839
seeing what she wears and going, actually, I think that's probably

771
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:36.839
just a bit too much, much latex, I think.

772
00:32:36.900 --> 00:32:40.619
Well, she was just going absolutely bananas now.

773
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:42.359
Sorry, it's funny.

774
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:44.940
The bit where she, is this the bit where she comes into the cause

775
00:32:44.940 --> 00:32:46.500
and just screams her head off.

776
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:49.680
Yeah, I think I can't remember.

777
00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:55.019
So this is like she looks, this is dreadful, isn't it?

778
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:55.799
Like the...

779
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:57.779
I mean, it's... worse.

780
00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:59.460
It does get worse.

781
00:32:59.579 --> 00:33:02.279
Not quite course oblivion, bad.

782
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.640
But really, will anything ever be that bad?

783
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:10.740
What is an unnatural selection, the one where poor old...

784
00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:14.279
Turtle face, Pulaski...

785
00:33:17.339 --> 00:33:20.819
The ageing makeup is always atrocious.

786
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:21.599
What's the other one?

787
00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:23.759
Too short a season is very bad as well.

788
00:33:23.940 --> 00:33:27.119
Also, as well, they just don't trust her to do it with the

789
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:27.660
performance.

790
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:32.099
They have to make her unbelievably ugly as well because that's the

791
00:33:32.099 --> 00:33:33.720
worst thing you could do to a woman.

792
00:33:33.779 --> 00:33:34.859
It's so sexist.

793
00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:35.519
Yes, yeah.

794
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:40.680
Well, you know, we did have ageing makeup fairly recently on Star

795
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:45.119
Trek Discovery, because we had the final episode, which would jump

796
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:45.720
forward in time.

797
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:47.940
I think you saw it.

798
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.759
I thought it looked good Like, I thought, you know, Sanita's a

799
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:51.599
beautiful woman.

800
00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:54.480
Little bit of gray, little bit of, you know, the odd line and

801
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:57.180
stuff, but she just looked like a, you know, attractive older

802
00:33:57.180 --> 00:33:57.480
woman.

803
00:33:57.539 --> 00:33:59.339
They've nailed it.

804
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.519
The Doctor Who approach in the last series where they wanted to

805
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:03.660
age up the companion.

806
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:06.900
And so they just put her in massive glasses and a huge wig.

807
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.480
I was like her face hasn't changed at all.

808
00:34:09.539 --> 00:34:11.820
She still does 18, but she's a big wine glass.

809
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:13.619
She looks middle-aged.

810
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:18.480
I just trust the actor and the audience to go with it.

811
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:19.320
Yeah, absolutely.

812
00:34:19.380 --> 00:34:20.760
But you can't go with this.

813
00:34:20.820 --> 00:34:21.780
It looks ridiculous.

814
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:23.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

815
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.420
This could be my favourite scene of the whole episode and the

816
00:34:27.420 --> 00:34:32.400
schlockiest moment where Troy comes in with her enormous knife and

817
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:33.960
tries to kill Picard.

818
00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:34.800
Oh my god.

819
00:34:34.860 --> 00:34:37.559
And again, Rick Colby. are you doing?

820
00:34:37.619 --> 00:34:40.500
It's just like the knife materialises out of nowhere.

821
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.840
It's like a bitch.

822
00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:44.340
Keep your arm thick, okay.

823
00:34:44.340 --> 00:34:47.280
Okay, because when he's on the floor, hey, Patrick Stewart.

824
00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:48.480
Oh, God.

825
00:34:48.539 --> 00:34:51.059
Her eyes are, what's happened to her eyes?

826
00:34:53.579 --> 00:34:55.679
Yeah, oh no.

827
00:34:55.739 --> 00:34:57.059
Oh, no.

828
00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:01.380
That's no good It's not even like a tidy knife.

829
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:03.360
It's like a bread knife is massive.

830
00:35:03.420 --> 00:35:04.980
But we just suddenly cut to it.

831
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:05.760
Where did come from?

832
00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:07.139
Where was she keeping it?

833
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:08.940
She's wearing a skin tied outfit.

834
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:10.019
We don't want to know.

835
00:35:10.500 --> 00:35:12.780
She's a horny bitch.

836
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:13.559
Now who knows?

837
00:35:15.300 --> 00:35:17.940
Oh, I did like Beverly's line here.

838
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.460
She goes, get out of sick bay, and I want to see you in sick bay

839
00:35:20.460 --> 00:35:21.900
too, because he's just been stabbed.

840
00:35:22.139 --> 00:35:24.179
I like that too.

841
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:25.440
I do like that.

842
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.460
But she, um, like, yeah, yeah.

843
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:29.940
Yeah.

844
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:31.800
God, this is embarrassing, terrible.

845
00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:33.480
No, proceed with a mission.

846
00:35:33.539 --> 00:35:36.059
I know you've really done something terrible to her, but you're

847
00:35:36.059 --> 00:35:37.079
needed down there, you know?

848
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:41.099
There's one person in the whole universe that could possibly do

849
00:35:41.099 --> 00:35:42.059
these negotiations.

850
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:44.579
Oh, yeah.

851
00:35:44.579 --> 00:35:46.320
Fabulous Nurser Gower.

852
00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:47.579
We just lost her, haven't we?

853
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:49.619
Yeah, we have.

854
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:50.460
We have.

855
00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:55.260
She does some really kind of crappy exposition acting here, I'm

856
00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:55.619
afraid.

857
00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:58.139
This isn't her best moment.

858
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:01.019
She does have some really great moments. the rarest thing, though

859
00:36:01.019 --> 00:36:01.380
isn't it?

860
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:04.320
It's somebody on the ship that they actually allowed to keep

861
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:07.199
appearing and they started to give a bit of personality and

862
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:08.280
backstory too.

863
00:36:08.340 --> 00:36:10.860
I mean, they didn't. should have been more of that all along.

864
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:12.840
They killed off one of her children, didn't they?

865
00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:14.039
Well, that was all about.

866
00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:15.960
She had a terrible time in one episode.

867
00:36:16.019 --> 00:36:20.519
No, she loses the baby in an alternative timeline, but it's a few

868
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:20.880
good things.

869
00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:21.719
Rampai, yeah.

870
00:36:21.780 --> 00:36:22.980
Brandon Barakarashu.

871
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:24.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

872
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.840
He loves killing people in alternative timelines.

873
00:36:27.900 --> 00:36:29.039
Oh, here we go.

874
00:36:29.099 --> 00:36:30.119
Paul Beverly.

875
00:36:30.179 --> 00:36:31.860
Beverly.

876
00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:32.519
Clip.

877
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:33.719
What's the hair clip?

878
00:36:33.780 --> 00:36:34.440
What's happening?

879
00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:36.960
One must have a bit of femininity, Nathan.

880
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.739
It's her doing a little gossipy thing too as well.

881
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:42.239
It's like, well, you know what?

882
00:36:42.300 --> 00:36:45.239
I found out about May law. 30 year old, you know.

883
00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:48.059
It's just like, that's how she's playing it.

884
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:48.599
It's pretty great.

885
00:36:48.659 --> 00:36:50.639
Jean-Luc, please let me cut her open.

886
00:36:50.699 --> 00:36:52.800
Like, yeah, yeah.

887
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:54.719
I don't care about the customs.

888
00:36:54.780 --> 00:36:55.800
I love all that.

889
00:36:55.860 --> 00:36:56.940
I thought that was really good.

890
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:57.659
Go for it.

891
00:36:57.719 --> 00:36:58.679
Yeah, fuck that guy.

892
00:36:58.739 --> 00:37:00.719
Who gives a shit about his customs?

893
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.599
She could do anything in this episode.

894
00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:06.900
She can mend a shoulder once you've been stabbed.

895
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:08.280
She can de-age people.

896
00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:12.659
She can bring people back from death, like Dr. Beverly is the

897
00:37:12.659 --> 00:37:13.320
best.

898
00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:15.119
McCoy, you're in the bin.

899
00:37:15.179 --> 00:37:19.199
Yeah, she'll go underturn people from not from being frogs and

900
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:21.300
spiders and shit back to being themselves.

901
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.880
So this is this is chance play compared to that.

902
00:37:23.940 --> 00:37:26.579
Can I say that I like this set?

903
00:37:26.699 --> 00:37:28.920
What, because Freddy Room?

904
00:37:28.980 --> 00:37:30.300
Where are we?

905
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:34.199
No, no, no, the, the, uh, On the thing.

906
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.860
Now, you're gonna need to give me more than that, I'm afraid.

907
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:38.639
Oh, okay.

908
00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:39.480
Down on the planet.

909
00:37:39.539 --> 00:37:40.860
Oh, that's it.

910
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:42.960
Yeah, well, because it isn't a stock colony, is it?

911
00:37:43.019 --> 00:37:44.400
They've done a bit of dressing, though.

912
00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:45.420
No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

913
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

914
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:53.340
We haven't seen sort of peak McFadden robot yet, but this seems

915
00:37:53.340 --> 00:37:53.760
pretty bad.

916
00:37:53.820 --> 00:37:59.940
But she's not, she is showing concern for Troy, but not in a way

917
00:37:59.940 --> 00:38:02.639
that is she's still just having to deliver all this exposition

918
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:03.119
isn't she?

919
00:38:03.179 --> 00:38:04.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

920
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.599
You know, it's all plot, a no character.

921
00:38:06.659 --> 00:38:09.239
Yeah, well, that's Star Trek, though.

922
00:38:09.300 --> 00:38:13.320
That's what that's what happens with Star Trek. light there behind

923
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:13.679
them.

924
00:38:13.739 --> 00:38:16.739
That sort of fabulous chandelier strikes me as a sort of thing

925
00:38:16.739 --> 00:38:18.659
your husband would bring home one day, you know?

926
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:20.280
I'll see it behind you the room.

927
00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:24.300
We actually do have one of them in one of the rooms. chandelier.

928
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:25.019
Absolutely, yeah.

929
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. a chandelier.

930
00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:30.300
Pay for my board when I visit it, I'll clean it, all right?

931
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:31.079
Yeah, right.

932
00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:31.739
You're right.

933
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:34.920
I mean, it's very period.

934
00:38:34.980 --> 00:38:40.920
It is, you know, like a very, very period sad, but it's big, you

935
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:42.539
know, high ceiling and stuff.

936
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.599
How in these futuristic success, they just sort of do all these

937
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.000
geometrics, are you got a circle there, square?

938
00:38:48.059 --> 00:38:51.179
You know, like, it's all...

939
00:38:51.179 --> 00:38:52.679
It's pleasing on the eye.

940
00:38:52.739 --> 00:38:53.880
Yeah, yeah.

941
00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:56.820
It's pretty good. statuette there behind him.

942
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:57.539
Huge gold.

943
00:38:57.539 --> 00:38:59.639
Yeah. statue, you know?

944
00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:01.679
Clearly they are civilised people.

945
00:39:02.219 --> 00:39:04.019
Yes, exactly.

946
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.800
They do kill one another at enormous rates though, apparently.

947
00:39:07.860 --> 00:39:09.960
This is the bear.

948
00:39:10.019 --> 00:39:13.019
This is the bit where, you know, the villain is sort of revealed

949
00:39:13.019 --> 00:39:15.480
and confronted and you'd expect them to go, haha, haha.

950
00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:17.460
Yes, I was evil all along, you know.

951
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.719
No, he's like, no, I discovered a bit of a while ago now that I

952
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.659
could do this thing to women and I could go and be a fabulous

953
00:39:24.659 --> 00:39:25.860
negotiator, you know?

954
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:26.460
isn't it great?

955
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:28.739
He doesn't care at all, does he?

956
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:29.519
No.

957
00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:35.820
So yeah, Brennan Braga is quoted on the memory alpha page.

958
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:41.760
And what he says is that this bit, and I think he's right to kind

959
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.119
of go, this bit is boring and it doesn't work because there's no

960
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:46.380
moral dilemma here.

961
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:48.539
It's almost like, what should we do?

962
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.599
What about the people of Raykog, Ceronia?

963
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:57.239
Is it fair to stop this guy from doing his negotiation merely

964
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.239
because he frequently kills women?

965
00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:01.260
Do you know what I mean?

966
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:05.880
So on the one hand, he kills a lot of women, but on the other hand

967
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:07.500
he's a very good negotiator.

968
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.679
And maybe we shouldn't let the fact that he kills a lot of women

969
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:14.039
influence the way we feel about him as a negotiator.

970
00:40:14.099 --> 00:40:15.179
And clearly that's mad.

971
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:17.699
Like no one in the room, do you know what I mean?

972
00:40:17.820 --> 00:40:19.139
That's not a moral dilemma.

973
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:20.039
No, no, no, no.

974
00:40:20.099 --> 00:40:22.500
But I'm kind of saying that that's sort of the thing that, you

975
00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:23.820
know, sort of going on.

976
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:27.360
I think if Jerry Taylor was being quoted, another person we sadly

977
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:28.019
recently lost.

978
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:29.579
Yes, yeah.

979
00:40:29.579 --> 00:40:33.000
That maybe the emphasis might be different on the critique.

980
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:34.619
Yes.

981
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:35.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

982
00:40:35.699 --> 00:40:37.199
So so that's boring.

983
00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:37.679
Okay.

984
00:40:37.739 --> 00:40:38.880
So that doesn't work.

985
00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:42.119
There's no real dilemma here, so what the hell is going on?

986
00:40:42.179 --> 00:40:46.320
And so what Braga says is it should have been darker.

987
00:40:46.380 --> 00:40:49.679
We should have had like a longer scene with Ensign Janeway and not

988
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.679
have played it for comedy, but just watched her dissent into sort

989
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:53.940
of madness and evil.

990
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:56.579
And then you kind of go, well, also that's not very interesting

991
00:40:56.579 --> 00:40:59.460
because that's just happening for space reasons.

992
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.099
And so, and so what?

993
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:03.300
You know, like...

994
00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:05.699
See, a much more unpleasant episode to watch, though.

995
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:07.619
Well, that's Braga though, isn't it?

996
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:08.280
Do you know what I mean?

997
00:41:08.340 --> 00:41:11.219
Like Braga doesn't want it to be campy and ridiculous.

998
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:12.780
He wants it to be...

999
00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:14.820
Tom Paris puking up his tongue.

1000
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:16.139
It's very calm.

1001
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:16.679
Yeah, yeah.

1002
00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:19.139
Oh, wharf.

1003
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:19.920
Jesus Christ.

1004
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:25.139
Oh, no, look at the very lazy latex slapped on the Sironian's head

1005
00:41:25.139 --> 00:41:25.679
slut.

1006
00:41:25.739 --> 00:41:31.019
Yeah. sort of mild Klingon, but not.

1007
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:33.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1008
00:41:33.900 --> 00:41:36.420
Oh my god, they desperately need you in there.

1009
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:38.400
They're complaining about the seating around.

1010
00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:45.000
Oh, yeah. typical TNG bureaucracy. absolutely.

1011
00:41:45.059 --> 00:41:45.900
It's so bad.

1012
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:46.800
It is so bad.

1013
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:49.260
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1014
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:50.099
Oh, that was quite nice.

1015
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.920
They came on the pad, but they did put on a tiny special effect of

1016
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:55.380
them just sort of the end of the beam in.

1017
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:56.639
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1018
00:41:56.699 --> 00:41:57.480
That's what we...

1019
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.579
I wonder if that was...

1020
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.219
One of those touches that they added.

1021
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:04.860
Oh, another new transport achieve.

1022
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.320
Of course, because O'Brien's now on DS9, isn't he?

1023
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

1024
00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:12.780
Oh, that shot of now, that angle.

1025
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:13.440
Do not.

1026
00:42:13.739 --> 00:42:14.880
I mean, I'm not going to say it.

1027
00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:17.039
That's not a good angle, that long shot.

1028
00:42:17.099 --> 00:42:19.800
It's so bad, isn't it?

1029
00:42:19.860 --> 00:42:22.320
Just that look is really really bad.

1030
00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:25.920
Um, yeah, yeah, just shocking.

1031
00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:26.940
I mean, can I ask you, right?

1032
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.820
Because, you know, uh, you know, you're in your early 40s.

1033
00:42:29.940 --> 00:42:31.559
Something like that.

1034
00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:38.820
Has your head grown substantially since you were sort of 18?

1035
00:42:38.940 --> 00:42:41.159
Yeah, I think probably.

1036
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:42.780
To be fair.

1037
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:47.639
It's like it's just like the big latex sack on her face and

1038
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.460
because she's not moving, do you know what I mean?

1039
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:54.000
It just looks so bad, it looks astoundingly poor.

1040
00:42:54.059 --> 00:42:57.840
It's the worst, ugliest looking alien we've ever seen in the next

1041
00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:58.260
generation.

1042
00:42:58.320 --> 00:42:59.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1043
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:01.079
She just, like, we've seen old people.

1044
00:43:01.139 --> 00:43:01.980
Do you know what I mean?

1045
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:03.659
We live in a world where there are old people.

1046
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:07.380
This is true. is an older woman and she doesn't look anything like

1047
00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:08.400
that. she?

1048
00:43:08.460 --> 00:43:09.599
No, no.

1049
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:12.059
And we've now seen Marina.

1050
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:12.719
Do you know what I mean?

1051
00:43:12.780 --> 00:43:16.679
Like, what, 30 years later and she doesn't look like that?

1052
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:20.579
I know it's boring, but maybe they should have covered it with a

1053
00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:23.760
lie, you know, they should become a nest drawing old husk. because

1054
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:28.139
of the, I don't know, this is the effects of it, but it's just

1055
00:43:28.139 --> 00:43:30.480
very bad makeup indeed.

1056
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:31.619
You know?

1057
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:34.139
Have they talked about killing her yet?

1058
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:38.940
That's a bit where all sanity had left the episode.

1059
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:43.199
Now, look, I can use this deadly drug and it's going to, and

1060
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:47.039
she'll be completely dead, but only for 30 minutes, then I'm going

1061
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:48.480
to have to bring her back to life again.

1062
00:43:48.539 --> 00:43:53.699
Well, I actually I actually think, you know, the history of

1063
00:43:53.699 --> 00:43:55.199
medicine is a little bit like that.

1064
00:43:55.260 --> 00:43:59.340
People who are, you know, who we could never have recovered or

1065
00:43:59.340 --> 00:44:01.079
would never have got better or whatever.

1066
00:44:01.139 --> 00:44:03.840
Like, it's, you know, years in the future.

1067
00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:05.159
Like, I think that's okay.

1068
00:44:05.219 --> 00:44:06.239
Do you know what I mean?

1069
00:44:06.300 --> 00:44:08.760
Like they don't damage her body.

1070
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:13.619
They just close down her vital signs and stuff and prepare and, you

1071
00:44:13.619 --> 00:44:15.300
know, repair in stasis and things.

1072
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:16.920
So she's kind of fine.

1073
00:44:16.980 --> 00:44:20.219
But I can think of many occasions across style, right?

1074
00:44:20.340 --> 00:44:24.000
where murdering. or appearing to murder somebody, you know, could

1075
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.280
have been quite useful and then bringing them back from the point

1076
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:26.880
of death.

1077
00:44:26.940 --> 00:44:30.179
I mean, I think Jesse attacks was only dead for about 22 minutes

1078
00:44:30.179 --> 00:44:31.380
you know, when they discovered her.

1079
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:35.159
Oh, yeah, yeah, but she'd been kind of horribly burned and stuff

1080
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.380
remember, by like she'd been traumatised.

1081
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:41.219
She wasn't just put to sleep using a very gentle drug by Beverly.

1082
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:42.239
Do you know what I mean?

1083
00:44:42.300 --> 00:44:43.679
Like there was damage and stuff.

1084
00:44:43.739 --> 00:44:47.760
And you know, another example of the terrific sexism in this

1085
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:50.280
episode is the actor that's playing alcohol.

1086
00:44:50.340 --> 00:44:52.500
I used to lie because he's got a script which has given him lots

1087
00:44:52.500 --> 00:44:52.980
to do.

1088
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:55.619
The poor actress playing, what's her name again?

1089
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:57.659
Lever, I think.

1090
00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:59.400
Lever.

1091
00:44:59.400 --> 00:44:59.880
Something.

1092
00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:05.039
L-I-V-A. She's just simpering and she just is there to get us from

1093
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:09.300
A to B and to be, you know, the victim, the last victim at the end

1094
00:45:09.300 --> 00:45:09.900
of the episode.

1095
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:11.340
There's just nothing to her at all.

1096
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:14.820
There's no personality, no chance to act at all.

1097
00:45:14.940 --> 00:45:18.119
She is just a function. very thankless part.

1098
00:45:18.179 --> 00:45:18.599
Yeah.

1099
00:45:18.659 --> 00:45:21.840
But, I mean, you know, that's a thing that tends to happen on Star

1100
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:23.039
Trek the Next Generation.

1101
00:45:23.099 --> 00:45:24.900
You know, it's not a character piece, really.

1102
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.239
It's the sort of thing. very rarely.

1103
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:28.980
Kursman trick does brilliantly.

1104
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:32.039
They can do like one or 2 scene characters that you just never

1105
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:32.400
forget.

1106
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:34.260
Yeah, yeah.

1107
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:36.539
We're just better at writing people now, though, aren't we?

1108
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.280
Well, I think that that's it.

1109
00:45:38.340 --> 00:45:40.019
I think absolutely that's it.

1110
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:43.500
And, you know, it's thanks to the shows that came between Star

1111
00:45:43.500 --> 00:45:47.639
Trek the Next Generation and Kurtzman Trek that headed off in that

1112
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:48.539
direction, I think.

1113
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:51.960
I do like now, though, you know, sort of he's exposed.

1114
00:45:52.019 --> 00:45:56.099
He can play the funeral right scene because the 1st time we saw

1115
00:45:56.099 --> 00:45:56.340
it.

1116
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:59.340
It just, you know, he played it as if this is a genuine general

1117
00:45:59.340 --> 00:45:59.639
right?

1118
00:45:59.699 --> 00:46:03.840
And we realised that now he's sort of his body language is like, oh

1119
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:05.579
I loved her so much, you know?

1120
00:46:05.579 --> 00:46:09.360
Please, can we do the funeral rites, you know?

1121
00:46:09.420 --> 00:46:13.199
I must say goodbye to her in the way only I can, you know, all of

1122
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:13.440
this.

1123
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.280
I just think the actor is great.

1124
00:46:17.340 --> 00:46:19.139
He is really good.

1125
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:20.639
And I think you might be right.

1126
00:46:20.699 --> 00:46:24.059
This is his best role on Star Trek for sure.

1127
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:26.159
Oh, and this best episode.

1128
00:46:26.219 --> 00:46:29.519
I mean, we did like alliances. especially when that spaceship came

1129
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:29.760
down.

1130
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.280
I tried to murder everybody in the conference.

1131
00:46:33.300 --> 00:46:36.480
Terrible special effect, but it was a great moment.

1132
00:46:36.659 --> 00:46:38.039
Okay.

1133
00:46:38.099 --> 00:46:40.019
Actually, you are right.

1134
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:43.559
O'Gower is another part of the sexism in this episode as well

1135
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:47.519
exhibiting no personality whatsoever, a part to say medical

1136
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:48.000
babble.

1137
00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:52.559
Yeah, but I mean, in a sense, that's a role and making her more of

1138
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.079
a character is a thing that they do and they really only do it at

1139
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:55.380
the end.

1140
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.260
I think it's because they like the actual scene in the game.

1141
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.800
Yeah, I think that that's how those sorts of things work. seen in

1142
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:02.099
the game.

1143
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:03.119
She's great.

1144
00:47:03.179 --> 00:47:04.500
That's her best scene ever.

1145
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.619
I'm on level 71, Wesley.

1146
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:18.059
So we're using cordrazine to bring Deanna backs alive, which is, of

1147
00:47:18.059 --> 00:47:24.000
course, it's the made up drug that McCoy overdoses on in the city

1148
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.260
on the edge of forever.

1149
00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:30.000
And I think I've done a little sort of thing into cordrazine

1150
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.039
because it does keep appearing in Star Trek.

1151
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:33.539
The latex.

1152
00:47:33.780 --> 00:47:36.420
Is it does it feature a lot?

1153
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.000
Is it a popular time to time?

1154
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:43.019
Popular drug in next year generation. to bringing people back to

1155
00:47:43.019 --> 00:47:43.500
life, I guess.

1156
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:44.400
Okay.

1157
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:48.000
I could see how it would be very useful to having your medical

1158
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:49.139
satchel, you know?

1159
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:49.860
Exactly.

1160
00:47:50.340 --> 00:47:52.860
No, I'm doing the infantry.

1161
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:54.420
Have we got any cordra scene?

1162
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:55.920
Oh, no, we'll need that.

1163
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:57.840
Our order of that is, cordisine would be good.

1164
00:47:57.900 --> 00:48:00.480
People die on this show on a regular occurrence.

1165
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.920
Now watch him as the ceremony goes wrong.

1166
00:48:04.980 --> 00:48:06.840
He does a total comedy for air it is.

1167
00:48:08.340 --> 00:48:11.519
He almost goes boss eyed, but not quite.

1168
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:13.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1169
00:48:13.139 --> 00:48:13.860
He's great.

1170
00:48:13.980 --> 00:48:17.099
And at this point, of course, you want him to be dead, which is

1171
00:48:17.099 --> 00:48:20.039
not really normally a Star Trek thing.

1172
00:48:20.099 --> 00:48:23.579
You know, Star Trek doesn't necessarily have villains in an

1173
00:48:23.579 --> 00:48:23.940
episode.

1174
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:25.619
It's not where it normally goes.

1175
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:30.239
It's awesome that it does. is before he dies, right?

1176
00:48:30.300 --> 00:48:34.980
He lifts up his finger to say something either very profound or

1177
00:48:34.980 --> 00:48:37.500
very insulting, but because he's so old.

1178
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:39.900
It just dies before he gets to sleep.

1179
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:42.059
It's just tremendous, so good.

1180
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:43.079
So good.

1181
00:48:43.139 --> 00:48:45.480
Oh my god, his face.

1182
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:51.719
And no one's hair is like that when they're old.

1183
00:48:51.780 --> 00:48:52.500
Look at his hair.

1184
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:55.440
No, no, again, the makeup people.

1185
00:48:55.500 --> 00:48:58.199
Michael Westmore has never seen anyone over 40.

1186
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:02.159
I've never seen a zombie in a horror movie that looks as horrific

1187
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:02.460
as that.

1188
00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:06.480
Oh, look how beautiful Marina Certis looks now.

1189
00:49:06.539 --> 00:49:09.480
Oh, she has her best hair ever, I think, in this area.

1190
00:49:09.539 --> 00:49:12.360
Well, it's all sort of flowing over the bed, isn't it?

1191
00:49:12.420 --> 00:49:14.280
cascading like a waterfall.

1192
00:49:14.340 --> 00:49:16.079
Yeah, yeah.

1193
00:49:16.380 --> 00:49:18.900
Now this is this is more like it.

1194
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.820
She goes, Will, he takes a hand.

1195
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:22.260
It's very tender, you know?

1196
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:24.059
It's not rapey.

1197
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:25.380
It's not exploitative.

1198
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:26.039
It's just nice.

1199
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:30.900
In fact, I mean, this scene is a very sort of boring return to the

1200
00:49:30.900 --> 00:49:35.340
status quo scene, and here, let me explain how I feel and what's

1201
00:49:35.340 --> 00:49:36.539
been going on in this episode.

1202
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:41.280
But what I think is unusual about it is that we almost never see

1203
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:44.039
Riker and Troy as demonstrative as this.

1204
00:49:44.099 --> 00:49:46.320
You know, they're not together.

1205
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:50.099
They are just friends, but that kiss, and where, you know, she

1206
00:49:50.099 --> 00:49:54.960
lies back on his chest, and they kind of say, I'll always be here

1207
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:56.699
even when you're old and gray.

1208
00:49:56.820 --> 00:50:01.679
And it turns out that's what happens, which is just wonderful, you

1209
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:05.219
know, like, and they can't have had any idea of any of that.

1210
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:09.179
But I do think that that is actually quite a nice moment.

1211
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:12.300
I'm terribly pleased, you know, the writers that can actually

1212
00:50:12.300 --> 00:50:15.900
write television came along. and paid off all these relationships

1213
00:50:15.900 --> 00:50:19.739
that they forgot to do in the last season of Star Trek the Next

1214
00:50:19.739 --> 00:50:20.219
Generation.

1215
00:50:20.219 --> 00:50:21.539
Because they thought, you know what?

1216
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:22.440
No, not Riker.

1217
00:50:22.500 --> 00:50:22.920
Wharf.

1218
00:50:22.980 --> 00:50:25.500
Wharf's about bad for Troy, you know?

1219
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:29.820
Well, yeah, I mean, it lets them do different things, but they

1220
00:50:29.820 --> 00:50:30.239
don't.

1221
00:50:30.300 --> 00:50:31.860
So like whatever.

1222
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:32.940
It is very strange.

1223
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:37.079
It does make parallels a little bit more interesting, I guess

1224
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:40.260
because it goes somewhere in some way.

1225
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:41.699
So, I don't know.

1226
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:44.760
I'm going to have to put my cards on the table and just say that

1227
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:46.380
was deliriously enjoyable.

1228
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:53.099
But in no way competent, Osage from Marina Services, stratospheric

1229
00:50:53.099 --> 00:50:54.000
performance in that.

1230
00:50:54.059 --> 00:50:58.260
And I just wish we could have seen a bit more of that in 7

1231
00:50:58.260 --> 00:50:58.800
seasons.

1232
00:50:58.980 --> 00:51:05.880
Well, I think that, you know, this is a dumb episode, except the

1233
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:10.739
idea that giving Marina more fun things to do is something that we

1234
00:51:10.739 --> 00:51:14.159
should absolutely do, and that's brilliant, and of course, that

1235
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:15.239
should always have happened.

1236
00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:20.880
I think something as well that's really emerged from us watching

1237
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:22.739
and especially in TNG.

1238
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:27.780
It's not exclusive to TNG, but we've talked about it most in TNG

1239
00:51:27.780 --> 00:51:31.860
especially in these sort of romance episodes, and that is just the

1240
00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:38.400
base level of uncomfortable sexism that is apparent in the show.

1241
00:51:38.460 --> 00:51:43.139
And I know that's a modern day reading on something that we loved

1242
00:51:43.139 --> 00:51:44.519
when we were younger.

1243
00:51:44.579 --> 00:51:48.659
But, you know, they people point at the original series and say

1244
00:51:48.659 --> 00:51:51.179
that is, and it is incredibly sexist.

1245
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:51.960
Don't get me wrong.

1246
00:51:52.019 --> 00:51:54.420
It's hugely problematic.

1247
00:51:54.480 --> 00:52:00.480
But it's almost a bit more insidious in DNG or 90s trek as a

1248
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:00.659
whole.

1249
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:03.239
I think they do get better.

1250
00:52:03.300 --> 00:52:07.559
But yeah, there's a lot of this that's icky.

1251
00:52:07.619 --> 00:52:08.159
Yeah.

1252
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:12.960
It's only got... schlocky that it's just so fun to watch, you

1253
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:13.199
know?

1254
00:52:13.260 --> 00:52:16.800
And I think Marina endorses it.

1255
00:52:16.860 --> 00:52:21.300
Not the sexism, but she just endorses the idiocy on this episode

1256
00:52:21.300 --> 00:52:25.679
by going, I'm not going to be embarrassed by this. going to go for

1257
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:25.860
it.

1258
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.320
And thank God that she did.

1259
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:40.920
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1260
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:42.360
work out where we're going next.

1261
00:52:42.420 --> 00:52:47.219
Now, because we've just watched an episode we really enjoyed, I

1262
00:52:47.219 --> 00:52:50.760
want to choose something that we're reliably going to hate.

1263
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:56.039
And so I have picked for our delectation next week, the animated

1264
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:57.719
series of Star Trek.

1265
00:52:57.780 --> 00:52:59.280
Oh, wonderful.

1266
00:52:59.579 --> 00:53:00.780
What do you mean we're not going to insure it?

1267
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:01.320
aren't we?

1268
00:53:01.380 --> 00:53:02.579
I mean, it won't be good.

1269
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:04.079
You might enjoy it.

1270
00:53:04.139 --> 00:53:08.159
Well, as usual, I'm gonna pull up, you know, a bit of behind the

1271
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:08.820
scenes here, guys.

1272
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:12.119
Jammer's website, so because we don't know anything about the

1273
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:12.719
animated series.

1274
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:16.559
So I can at least just read the little precis that he puts on his

1275
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:18.059
website. would be very helpful.

1276
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:20.340
All right.

1277
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:21.179
All right.

1278
00:53:21.300 --> 00:53:26.639
Okay, so here goes, and I am pressing the button now.

1279
00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:33.900
Your random Star Trek, the animated series episode is the Eye of

1280
00:53:33.900 --> 00:53:34.800
the Beholder.

1281
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:37.739
The eye of the beholder.

1282
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:40.199
This is the penultimate episode of series one.

1283
00:53:40.260 --> 00:53:40.860
Okay.

1284
00:53:40.860 --> 00:53:45.059
The enterprise investigates the disappearance of a science team on

1285
00:53:45.059 --> 00:53:46.380
a mysterious world.

1286
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:50.219
That is the most generic... anything.

1287
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:56.340
That's about 12 to 15 different episodes of Star Trek.

1288
00:53:56.400 --> 00:54:00.780
To call you, it does have one half star less than them.

1289
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:02.159
Oh, it's 2 stars.

1290
00:54:02.219 --> 00:54:03.900
He's not a big fan.

1291
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:06.300
Or a whole style lesson what?

1292
00:54:06.300 --> 00:54:07.800
Our lovely Tom Seleski.

1293
00:54:07.860 --> 00:54:09.119
Hi, Tom, gave them.

1294
00:54:09.179 --> 00:54:10.260
Yes, yes.

1295
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:12.960
Things aren't looking good on that one.

1296
00:54:13.019 --> 00:54:14.400
No let's do another one.

1297
00:54:14.460 --> 00:54:15.599
Okay.

1298
00:54:15.659 --> 00:54:18.360
Okay, so this is a slightly odd one.

1299
00:54:18.420 --> 00:54:24.659
This is season one, episode 6, and it's the singular version of an

1300
00:54:24.659 --> 00:54:26.099
episode that we've already done.

1301
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:29.280
So we've already done Star Trek, the Next Generation, the

1302
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:30.179
Survivors.

1303
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:32.760
This is the Survivor.

1304
00:54:32.820 --> 00:54:34.500
Just one of them.

1305
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:35.699
Okay.

1306
00:54:35.699 --> 00:54:36.239
I don't know.

1307
00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:39.840
I am assuming it's either Kevin or Rashon, but not both of them.

1308
00:54:39.900 --> 00:54:42.539
It's wow, let's see. yeah.

1309
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.380
The Enterprise crew rescues are human survivor. sorry, it must be

1310
00:54:46.380 --> 00:54:51.780
Rashon, who has been missing for 5 years, but they soon realise he

1311
00:54:51.780 --> 00:54:53.340
might not be all he seems.

1312
00:54:53.699 --> 00:54:57.059
Is he deliberately trying to make these sound generic?

1313
00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:57.659
That's great.

1314
00:54:57.719 --> 00:54:58.380
That sounds awesome.

1315
00:54:58.440 --> 00:54:59.519
How many stars does he give it?

1316
00:54:59.579 --> 00:55:03.000
Uh, he gives that uh, Bem Anahol.

1317
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:03.539
Wolf store.

1318
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:04.619
So this could be a classic.

1319
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:07.320
We could be heading into class. stars.

1320
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:08.099
I think we do it.

1321
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:10.019
I think we absolutely do it.

1322
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:11.460
I'll just say this.

1323
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:17.400
He does say in his last paragraph that M Rez, the Catwoman, voiced

1324
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:21.840
by Major Barrett, makes her 1st appearance as a communication.

1325
00:55:21.900 --> 00:55:22.079
Okay.

1326
00:55:22.139 --> 00:55:22.800
That sounds awesome.

1327
00:55:22.860 --> 00:55:23.699
Brilliant.

1328
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:29.880
The only thing we can properly guarantee is the laziest cartoon

1329
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:32.460
drawings you've ever seen in an animated series.

1330
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:37.260
And we'll come up with some canonical way that Mares or Emires.

1331
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:41.099
I don't even know how to say her name, is related to Dr. Taana on

1332
00:55:41.099 --> 00:55:42.659
board the Cerritos.

1333
00:55:43.500 --> 00:55:45.719
Brain aunt and rest.

1334
00:55:45.780 --> 00:55:46.739
Oh, bear for it.

1335
00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:59.280
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1336
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:03.300
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project

1337
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:05.940
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1338
00:56:05.940 --> 00:56:06.900
media accounts.

1339
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.500
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1340
00:56:10.500 --> 00:56:12.179
composed by Cameron Lahn.

1341
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:16.679
This episode was recorded on the 29th of October 2024 and released

1342
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:17.820
on the 1st of November.

1343
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:21.900
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the animated series, The

1344
00:56:21.900 --> 00:56:22.619
Survivor.

1345
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:40.739
Let's do it.

1346
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:42.840
I'll pique the animated series.

1347
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:44.579
Okay.

1348
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:48.719
So I'll, uh, how are we doing on that on the coverage page?

1349
00:56:48.780 --> 00:56:50.519
We are ahead.

1350
00:56:53.579 --> 00:56:56.099
It's our 3rd most cut.

1351
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:56.699
You know what?

1352
00:56:56.760 --> 00:57:01.320
I, um, when I listened back to supernova.

1353
00:57:01.380 --> 00:57:03.119
I was like, man, oh man.

1354
00:57:03.179 --> 00:57:04.139
There's a.

1355
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:07.079
There's a Star Wars.

1356
00:57:08.340 --> 00:57:12.719
There's a Star Wars podcast, you know, I don't know, I don't know

1357
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:13.380
we'd have any time.

1358
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:15.960
But I really enjoyed listening back to I was talking about that

1359
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:17.639
because it's so totally new, you know?

1360
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:18.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1361
00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:19.380
Yeah.

1362
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:24.119
I didn't know that you really liked the last Jedi, but I've always

1363
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:25.139
really liked it.

1364
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:26.579
That was great.

1365
00:57:26.579 --> 00:57:26.880
Yeah.

1366
00:57:26.940 --> 00:57:28.679
I'm not watching the last one.

1367
00:57:28.739 --> 00:57:29.340
Did I tell you?

1368
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:32.159
I've just decided that's the end.

1369
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:34.199
I know I can do that.

1370
00:57:34.260 --> 00:57:35.579
You can do whatever you want.

1371
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:37.199
Andor was very good.

1372
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:40.199
Have you seen Andor?

1373
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:45.179
No, we're still working our way through...

1374
00:57:45.179 --> 00:57:47.280
Oh, you're doing it like in order.

1375
00:57:47.340 --> 00:57:48.239
Obi-Wan.

1376
00:57:48.300 --> 00:57:48.480
Yeah.

1377
00:57:48.539 --> 00:57:51.420
Yeah, well, we sort of ruined it now by watching all the movies or

1378
00:57:51.420 --> 00:57:54.119
the cinema, but Andor is just great.

1379
00:57:54.179 --> 00:57:55.860
Like properly good.

1380
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:57.719
Like, I won't watch any of the other.

1381
00:57:57.780 --> 00:58:00.480
I watched the beginning of the Mandalorian, and it was proper

1382
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:03.059
grown up drama, and it's really, really good.

1383
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:04.320
It's terrific.

1384
00:58:04.380 --> 00:58:05.219
Huge.

1385
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:08.940
I mean, I'd have a, I do have a huge appreciation for the universe

1386
00:58:08.940 --> 00:58:13.380
that they've built and especially the the innovations with the TV

1387
00:58:13.380 --> 00:58:14.880
shows that they're doing now.

1388
00:58:15.780 --> 00:58:19.679
But I just don't have the nostalgia for it, you know?

1389
00:58:19.739 --> 00:58:20.880
Yeah, yeah.

1390
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:22.800
So I can sort of take it or leave it.

1391
00:58:22.860 --> 00:58:23.460
Yeah.

1392
00:58:23.460 --> 00:58:25.559
Yeah. anyway.

1393
00:58:25.619 --> 00:58:26.579
All right, okay.

1394
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:27.179
Let's do it.

1395
00:58:28.139 --> 00:58:30.659
All right, it's the end of the episode.