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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, I'm a bit excited about this one, because this is Star Trek, The Next Generation, My First Love, and it's season six, which is the 1st season that I remember being completely new, I think.

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And I remember watching this at the time, like in context after realm of fear.

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So it's season six, episode three, Man of the People. and it's the 1st episode written by Frank Abatamarco, who is getting a producer credit.

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He's someone who's new to the show.

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Um, and it's his 1st go at it.

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And I'm not sure that it's a super successful script, but it's a pretty entertaining episode.

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What did you think?

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Nathan, I know you've been podcasting with Tom Selinski.

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You want him, don't you?

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He can offer you nothing that I can't offer you.

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That whore.

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I mean, I think this is possibly the most stupid episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation, ever scripted on every level.

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There comes up the long ladder, right?

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No, this is more stupid than that.

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That's just a savage dick of the Irish.

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No, this is stupid in its premise.

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It's stupid in its resolution.

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Everybody's very stupid in how they react to everything.

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Like it is ridiculously bad and deliriously enjoyable to watch primarily because our beloved Saint Marina Thurtis gets to have the best time she ever has in any Star Trek episode.

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So we've seen her possessed in PowerPlay and she was pretty great in PowerPlay.

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Um, and I guess there's the loss, perhaps.

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Oh she's behaving out of character.

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Fabulous bitch in the loss, isn't she?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But this, like this, where she gets to sort of vamp and stuff.

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And like the whole kind of premise is super sexist and she behaves in a way that, you know, kind of straight men find annoying or something.

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I don't quite know what's going on there, but she's hypersexualized and jealous and possessive and annoying in all sorts of ways.

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And so all of her kind of negative emotions are portrayed in this sort of massively cliched sexist.

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Crazy.

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Jealous hacks.

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She becomes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And of course, because it's written by a bloke, you know, all she could possibly do.

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There's no nuance to it at all.

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All she wants is the man.

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That's it.

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That's all there is to that.

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But, you know, I feel like Marina just looked at the script and went, well, this is problematic.

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Let's go for it.

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Please make my hair as outrageous as possible, give me a costume that shows off my tits.

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You know, I'm just gonna play this to the hill.

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And, uh, you know what?

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I didn't sense one hint of embarrassment from her in any scene.

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And given some of these scenes, that is some acting feat.

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I'm telling you. is pretty great.

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Look, I mean, I think the problem is that Marina is a really great actress and we've seen her, for instance, in Picard, many, many years later, and just how great she is, and how great the 2 of them are, Jonathan Frakes and her.

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But she's saddled with this sort of deadly conception of the character, and it really is only in 1st contact when she gets pissed with Zephron Cochrane that she lets her hair down and starts acting like Marina, which should always have been the thing.

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There are hidden kids. in the 2nd half of TNG's run.

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There's that wonderful scene in the game where she sexualises a chocolate sundae and possibly the most sort of, I've never kind of been in agreement with a character ever before in my life.

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She practically has an orgasm eating that chocolate Sunday.

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And I'm like, the Riker says, can I leave you 2 alone?

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You know, like, savour every mouthful, she goes, yeah.

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She puts it in her mouth and goes, hmm.

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Yeah.

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So there are touches, but man, you're right.

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They just wanted to be a good girl so much.

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And that's why this is so good though, because she ain't a good girl at all in this.

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No, no.

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And in fact, there are hints of it at the beginning.

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I really like her reaction to having to do the crew evaluations and stuff.

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She's clearly tired and bored and doesn't want to do it.

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And I really like that, that made her seem human in a way that she's rarely allowed to.

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We get a glimpse, aren't we?

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in the counselling scene.

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Of the sort of counselling, she normally has to endure. are the people she's got to deal with and evaluate.

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So yeah, I can imagine it is quite tedious.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So like I just think this is terrifically fun.

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It is as dumb as hell and but we've decided I'm wearing dumb TNG can be glorious.

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It's pretty great I loved Genesis.

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Remember, I'm on record for loving Genesis.

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I can't hate this, I think.

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Remember my list of Trek that I love?

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You know, I did a couple of weeks ago and I put sort of schlocky, dreadful B movie trek is in there.

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Man, of the people would probably rank as a top three, you know, within that subgenre.

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Yeah, I reckon it probably does.

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It really, really does.

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All right.

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Well, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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There's not a lot of in-depth analysis to do.

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Please, folks, prepare yourself for some serious quotes in this episode, all right, because this dialogue has got to be heard.

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It's so good.

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It's so good.

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All right.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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There we go.

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Do you know, I did notice, you know, watching this today.

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Just how glorious TNG looks in HD.

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You know, the cleaned up version.

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They look pretty great.

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My God.

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You absolutely know when you're going back to Voyager and DS 9. everything sort of looks like it's been smeared with Vaseline a bit on the lens, doesn't it?

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Yeah, it's very muddy.

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Although it's not doing Brent's makeup all that much.

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Do you think Brent's makeup is the problem in this?

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Oh my god.

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Oh my god.

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We've got the great thing about how people's faces grow 3 times the size when they get older.

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We'll get it.

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We'll get it.

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Yeah.

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So this is the usual boring Star Trek and the generation plan with 2 factions.

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And we've had the Kes Print, I think, in Voyager.

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This is Ray Cog Sironia.

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And this ship here, where we 1st see Alcar, is called the Dorian, because of course it is because of the picture Dorian.

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Oh, see what you're doing there, Mr. Scriptwriter. you know?

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This is a very niche reference, but do you not think that spaceship looks a bit like the tissue compression eliminator from Doctor Who?

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Doctor Who?

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It does a little bit.

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That is a kind of tarted up version of the original model.

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That's obviously a new optical.

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How bad was the original then?

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It was pretty bad.

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You know, they're trying to still make it look quite as boring as it does.

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They do tart the planet up as well.

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So, I mean, Deanna is looking really good at this point in the show's run, I think.

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She's not...

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She looks so tired.

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She's been down on those beaches, hasn't she?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, she's Greek, isn't she?

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So I think she's got a natural hue to her skin.

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Exactly.

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But, you know, they made her up in one and two, didn't they, to look like an albino?

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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She had very pale skin and now she looks, now she's looking really healthy and really great and really beautiful.

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This woman is great.

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She is.

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So this is Alcohol's girlfriend stroke mother.

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We're not quite sure at this point Yes. initially girlfriend and then mother.

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The thing is that what she says here is all true, uh, in the sense that if you have a relationship with him, you'll regret it.

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And it's hard to know what's kind of going on here.

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Is this going to be a thing about dementia?

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You know, is this going to be a sort of proper issue thing about dementia, but it also just turns out that one of the 2 kinds of bad women are witches and so she's one of them. what she looks like.

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She belongs in Hansel and Gretel's cottage.

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Yeah, but we've been doing this for 6 years now, right?

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Six seasons.

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We know when someone comes on board the ship and starts, you know, going, don't look at him, you know, you'll regret it.

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Please listen to these people, all right?

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It always means something, you know?

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When she starts ageing and acting out of character.

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Everyone should just be like, okay, it's happening again.

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Please get her to Sick Bay.

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Let's find out what's going on.

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No one remembers a fucking thing on this show, do they?

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No, no, no.

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There's no way that Mariner would have put up with this shit.

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She would have immediately known.

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She would have listened or it's the holiday or...

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The last 15 times in detail.

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The last time someone aged.

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Do you remember it was this?

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I would like to say, though, I think, I don't know what the actor's name is.

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I think the guy playing our car gives a really good performance.

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Like, I think he gets the tone in the episode and trust me, these guest actors don't always do that.

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So we have seen him before on untitled Star Trek Project because he's Mabis, the leader of the trade in alliances.

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Oh, a much more boring role than this.

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A much more boring character, and he will be back in an episode called Fortunate Sun, an episode of Enterprise, playing a sort of pirate guy called Keane.

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They saved the most boring role for him for Larson.

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But I thought he was creepy, but, you know, he was sort of pouring on the charm in the early part of the episode.

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So you can kind of see how Troy is a little bit interested.

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And then later on, he just plays all the moments where Picard confronts him with a general sort of shoulder shrugging.

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Well, yes, of course, that's what I've done, you know, like, look at these important negotiations I've got to do.

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I don't know.

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He just got it.

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He got he got the note, you know?

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I think he did too.

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You know, like, if this is about anything and it isn't, but if it were about something, he's kind of like a kind of leftist guy who everyone admires and he's got very right on opinions and he goes and does good in the world and he has a series of girlfriends whom he just fucks over completely because he's absolutely awful.

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And because his left wing opinions are mostly a way of getting pretty girls into bed.

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You know, like he just seems to be that kind of person, like just a truly, truly dreadful, awful person.

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But they never, like, they don't obviously lean into that until the very end.

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He's sort of got this bland veneer as well, hasn't he?

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where he seems inoffensive.

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Yeah.

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And that's because all of his offensive, horrible things are sort of being, you know, sluiced away and dumped on whatever his current girlfriend is or whoever his current receptacle is the word that he uses.

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Even his way of sort of, you know, vampirically sucking the life out of his victims, your stupidness, touching together the 2 rocks and the funeral ritual.

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I just love this.

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But it is also, but it's also he's like a creepy, emotionally manipulative guy, like I've just suffered this great loss, and I really need you to comfort me, and that's how he kind of sucks the next, the next victim.

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Just written by B. He really is a proper fucking creep.

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This was written by I think no one's...

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He seems like a plausible character, you know?

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Like, he's like, right.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But like, I don't think they're trying to say anything about people like that and maybe that's just me trying, you know, grasping at straws, trying to get something out of it.

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I'm doing the exercises with Wharf now in this scene.

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Finally the opening credits.

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Look at this.

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Oh, look, it's like 6 minutes in.

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Fabulous Enson from the bridge.

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What's her name?

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It is.

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I can't remember, but she's clearly... season 6 episodes, you know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Usually there's rocks flying over our head or something like that on the bridge.

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You know.

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So Alcohol, you know, he's doing the callisthenics class.

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Is that what call it?

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Yeah, I can't I did mean to look it up, but I can't remember what it's called.

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Oh, look at those, look at that really shitty wall panel they've got there.

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I put a big lie on.

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I mean it looks like foam, doesn't it?

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It is, yeah, it looks like the sort of vacuum that you have on the wall of a studio, like a audio studio.

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It's a very cheap set, but I don't know.

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It sells the look.

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And one of the things that the Enterprise does is that it has lots of spaces on it over 7 years in a way that maybe, you know, Voyager dozens.

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Thought this was an odd cut.

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So now they're walking along the corridor.

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Obviously, the old woman dies very quickly, doesn't she?

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Yeah.

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So we can get to the point of the funeral ritual and Troy going through all of this.

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The 2nd the old woman dies and Troy should go, hmm, you know, she did warn me about him, you know.

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Like, should we look into this?

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And Dr. Beverly's there going, well, this is all very suspicious, you know?

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No one's doing the right thing about it. space reasons.

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I was just screaming at the TV.

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You competent space people are incompetent.

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So I actually think there is, she's kind of a bit easygoing in this scene with him.

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And although it has the usual problem where Star Trek the Next Generation can't make its characters actually genuinely funny because they can't write really proper comedy lines.

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There is something easy about her.

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She is a little bit relaxed and like, I kind of like this, this sort of fairly frank conversation that she has.

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I like the performance by her, so, okay, you know, calmness, tranquillity.

226
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Those are the qualities that you embody.

227
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I'm like, who even talks like this?

228
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

229
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Who talks like this?

230
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But she's just chill.

231
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We say at home and again when these actors get to chill, they feel like real people, no matter what ridiculous dialogue is coming out of their mouth. relaxed, even the way she's holding herself, relaxed, she's got to be...

232
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No, no.

233
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Oh, we're serious, look, the evil witch.

234
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Tom Selinski, you're not looking well, you know.

235
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I don't think he actually has it off with anyone, though, does he, Alka?

236
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He just...

237
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No, no, he doesn't have it off with his receptacles at all.

238
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He says to her that she can't do it, and that's part of the thing.

239
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I really like Marina's reaction when this conversation ends.

240
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Like, it's just like, oh, this is weird.

241
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I'm out of here, you know, like, yeah, you'll regret it for the rest of your life.

242
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There you go.

243
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I mean, that woman got the note as well because she's having great fun, you know?

244
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Yeah, yeah, she's awesome.

245
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Her death when she's dead.

246
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Like, she's in Cheryl and goes off.

247
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. really good.

248
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And Marina has great hair in every scene.

249
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I imagine this one actually.

250
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The fellow who plays our car.

251
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You know, he must have got the script and thought, oh, no, I'm bureaucrat.

252
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How boring.

253
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Open page one and thought, oh, great.

254
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You know, I've seen a few next generation episodes.

255
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I'm going to go down to the colony planet.

256
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There's going to be some argument.

257
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And as he started flicking through the paint, he must have been like, oh, yeah, baby.

258
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Oh, yeah.

259
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You get to be evil. have all these evil old women clawing their way over me.

260
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Let's go.

261
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It's time for the dreaded crew evaluations, Nathan.

262
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We see, I really like this and I like how she describes what happened with our car's mother and all of that.

263
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And even her use of the word evil and malevolent and stuff is pretty great, you know.

264
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What you don't realise is that Nathan and I have so many podcasts between us now, is that we do our podcast evaluations every now and again, don't we?

265
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You know?

266
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Of all the podcasts that are around us.

267
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Obviously not ours.

268
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They're all perfect.

269
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You know, we sort of rank them and decide which ones we're going to watch or not. similar sort of thing.

270
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Exactly.

271
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But this is good, isn't it?

272
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These 2 together?

273
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I think they're really good Do you know, I realised after she was in that fabulous vampi outfit later.

274
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When she goes back into sort of this body stocking, it does her arse, no favours at all, does it?

275
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Like, it's really...

276
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It's that those figure honey... is what?

277
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That's a load of words, you know?

278
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I think that I think she looks pretty fucking great.

279
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It is a terrible outfit.

280
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Oh, she was awesome, isn't it?

281
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

282
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She's like, and she's like, she's really holding that position.

283
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Good for her.

284
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It feels like a perfect segue to tell the story very quickly.

285
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I told Nathan.

286
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I used to wake up in the middle of the night, go downstairs and write Star Trek reviews on my computer, and there was a point where the fence blew down between my garden and the neighbours, and the old woman at 4 in the morning next door was out during her washing or something.

287
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I don't know what she was doing in the garden.

288
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It was pitch black.

289
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I could see something moving about, and I looked out the window and she went, look, her hands came up like talons.

290
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I was fucking terrified.

291
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I ran up the stairs. sweating for the rest of the night.

292
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So, you know, it's not so important.

293
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She is dead now, isn't she?

294
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Well, they're both dead, yeah.

295
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And the woman in the episode.

296
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I imagine she died in a similar way.

297
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And so now he's doing the creeper.

298
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I'm bereaved and would you come and do this thing and you're the only one who can do it?

299
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This is close coffin shaped thing.

300
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I imagine the wrong sort of man would use, you know, grief and stuff like that as a way of manipulating people around them.

301
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Oh, yeah.

302
00:18:07.740 --> 00:18:08.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

303
00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:09.119
Yeah.

304
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Yeah, and he does it twice.

305
00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:12.359
It works on, what's her name?

306
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Lever or something.

307
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Oh, wait till we get to lever.

308
00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:19.440
I mean, she's got literally no depth about her at all, is she?

309
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She is literally a plot function in this episode. devoid of personality, but it is believable that Troy would be like, oh, of course, you know, yes, I'm sure respect your wishes.

310
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Let's touch stones and yeah, yeah, yeah.

311
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But he does it in this.

312
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It's sort of slightly creepy and invasive.

313
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Like, you can actually see it from the special effect.

314
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He touches her stone.

315
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She don't touch you.

316
00:18:44.220 --> 00:18:47.220
Yeah. unexpectedly, and her reaction is great.

317
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Wonderful action, isn't it?

318
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It's a really, really immediately.

319
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Yeah.

320
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Something has happened.

321
00:18:54.900 --> 00:18:57.180
Although, again, he looks triumphant.

322
00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:59.700
He's smiling like an absolute fucking creep.

323
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At this point, go and speak to Captain Picard and say, I did this bizarre ritual.

324
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I felt something very wrong.

325
00:19:07.019 --> 00:19:11.279
No, no, but like, you can't just hand wave everyone behaving stupidly.

326
00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:19.980
There comes a point, you know, when you've done this enough time, so you go, yeah, all right, I know what I've got to do this time.

327
00:19:20.339 --> 00:19:25.740
But because it's an anthology show and they never really learn from anything. you hear that?

328
00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:27.059
Ensign Janeway.

329
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Ensign James.

330
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This is Anson Janeway.

331
00:19:30.059 --> 00:19:31.920
Exactly. sister, do you think?

332
00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:32.759
Auntie, perhaps?

333
00:19:32.819 --> 00:19:35.160
Yeah, it must be an auntie.

334
00:19:35.220 --> 00:19:36.660
She's very, she's very young.

335
00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:41.700
It's Ensign Janeway is the ensign who she's horrible to in the counselling session later.

336
00:19:41.819 --> 00:19:51.059
That is why, you know, you know, sort of Troy's in unusual circumstances in Picard, because Captain Janeway, now an admiral comes back to the Al Quadrant.

337
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You were so awful to my aunt.

338
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To my niece.

339
00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:56.880
No, it's a niece.

340
00:19:56.940 --> 00:19:58.200
So you say, yeah.

341
00:19:58.259 --> 00:20:01.380
Yeah, you're going to live out of a shack in the woods, all right.

342
00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:06.480
Oh, please, can we talk about Gates McFadden in this episode?

343
00:20:06.539 --> 00:20:14.160
I actually think, again, in this, She's given all of the medical techno battle, which is absolutely terrible at.

344
00:20:14.220 --> 00:20:16.140
But when she knows what's happening.

345
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Do you know what I mean?

346
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When it's not a space scene, she kind of gets it.

347
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And so I think she's okay.

348
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It's peculiar affliction.

349
00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:29.700
I was really, because she was so naturalistic in quality of life, yeah, and so chill.

350
00:20:29.819 --> 00:20:33.779
And this sort of glazed look comes over her face.

351
00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:37.140
Like, she just can't be asked to say the lines.

352
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And there is no emotion in her face.

353
00:20:39.779 --> 00:20:41.220
It's so strange.

354
00:20:41.460 --> 00:20:46.019
I thought that was a pretty good moment with Patrick Stewart, though.

355
00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:48.059
Okay, so this scene.

356
00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:50.519
So we have Jay Chataway back doing the music.

357
00:20:50.579 --> 00:20:51.720
It's good, isn't it?

358
00:20:51.779 --> 00:20:53.099
I thought it was good Yeah.

359
00:20:53.160 --> 00:21:13.380
In this scene in particular, I think, where it's trying to sort of, so, this scene, I think I'm trying to sort of work out what this scene is for, and partly it's so that she can stroke her tits and sort of weird stuff can happen, but it is, her hair is already kind of, you know, like losing, it's going all fuzzy and stuff like that.

360
00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:16.859
But she's trying to regain control of herself.

361
00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:30.900
That's what that whole scene was about before, that she could tell how in control of himself Alcoa was from the way that he participated in whatever this thing is called, and now she's like kind of exposing a...

362
00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:36.299
There is no other poison, a generation where a heterosexual man is more turned on than this scene, you know.

363
00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:51.900
Well, I think that is part of the Because, you know, in making Deanna Troy, you know, relaxed and in control of her sexuality and all of this, it's just the most sexist thing you could possibly, it's the most exploitative thing you could do to her.

364
00:21:52.140 --> 00:21:57.240
Well, I mean, she is in control, but she's also just inappropriately horny.

365
00:21:57.299 --> 00:21:57.960
Do you know what I mean?

366
00:21:58.019 --> 00:22:00.299
And it's back to the whole rotten pre idea.

367
00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:09.720
Is he if Frank has not been watching it for the last 3 years or something and now we're back to like the women are just super horny because... imagine if it was a bloke, right?

368
00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:11.160
They never would have done it.

369
00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:13.740
No they wouldn't have done it like that at all.

370
00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:15.119
They wouldn't have done.

371
00:22:15.180 --> 00:22:24.720
I mean, and you know, it gives for funny scenes, like this is pretty great where she sort of comes in and wants to have sex with him and again, look how chill she looks and how fabulous she looks.

372
00:22:24.779 --> 00:22:29.700
No, the twist in the knife when he says, you know, I am attracted to you, but we can't do this.

373
00:22:29.700 --> 00:22:35.460
And how her body language changes. you know, what you're rejecting me?

374
00:22:35.579 --> 00:22:36.779
Look at me.

375
00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:38.099
Yeah, yeah.

376
00:22:38.099 --> 00:22:40.200
She is so great.

377
00:22:40.259 --> 00:22:42.000
She looks fabulous, doesn't she?

378
00:22:42.059 --> 00:22:47.700
It's like every sort of, every kind of acting she's wanted to do, soon as encounter at Far Point.

379
00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:49.380
She jams into this episode.

380
00:22:49.380 --> 00:22:51.660
And good on it.

381
00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:54.180
I know, it's such a shame.

382
00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:55.380
She's so wasted.

383
00:22:55.440 --> 00:23:06.779
Like, it's such a ridiculous character, and she so rarely gets to be naturalistic, and even before she's possessed, she's just chilling a little bit, I think, which is nice.

384
00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:15.779
It's like, you know, like the chocolate thing is a thing, but it's the least imaginative character trait you can think of for a woman her age.

385
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:19.619
It's like fucking Kathy, you know, or chocolate.

386
00:23:19.740 --> 00:23:21.660
Like that's so mid.

387
00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:22.440
It's so boring.

388
00:23:22.740 --> 00:23:28.619
But she has fun with it here and clearly has fun with it in the game.

389
00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:33.119
He looks like a very awkward geek that just never had sex in his life.

390
00:23:33.180 --> 00:23:34.920
That's how he's sort of playing this scene, isn't it?

391
00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:43.140
I know he can't do anything with her because he knows that she's ageing and all of this, but he's sort of holding himself stiff and awkward and yeah, yeah, yeah.

392
00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:45.000
It's really quite uncomfortable.

393
00:23:45.059 --> 00:23:45.960
And I like that.

394
00:23:46.019 --> 00:23:48.240
I like the, it's making me feel a bit awkward.

395
00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:52.019
Is it that he can't have sex?

396
00:23:52.079 --> 00:24:00.299
Because he's, you know, all his horny feelings, which are evil, being put onto Deanna.

397
00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:01.740
Oh I see.

398
00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:03.599
So that's why he does this.

399
00:24:03.660 --> 00:24:06.000
Because he's a massive hornbag.

400
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:11.220
He stays young and, you know, and in control and a great negotiator, but he loses his libido.

401
00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:14.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah. because the lady gets it.

402
00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:16.380
Oh, how unfortunate.

403
00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:18.420
I'd rather get old, you know, stay horny.

404
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:20.220
Oh, here we go.

405
00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:21.839
This guy.

406
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:24.000
He's got the worst hair.

407
00:24:24.059 --> 00:24:26.759
He is so like...

408
00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:31.319
This is a straight guy's idea of what an attractive young man looks like.

409
00:24:31.380 --> 00:24:32.640
You know what?

410
00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:42.420
There's an episode of Enterprise where Tapau goes through the Pomfara and she's menacing men through the corridors, almost horror style. right?

411
00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:44.880
it's entirely the wrong way to do it.

412
00:24:44.940 --> 00:24:47.039
The message is, you know, hoardy women are dangerous.

413
00:24:47.099 --> 00:24:51.599
Whereas the way Troy plays it in that, um, turbo lift is great.

414
00:24:51.660 --> 00:24:53.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

415
00:24:53.220 --> 00:24:54.839
She just leans back very relaxed.

416
00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:56.400
Look, and she's come out.

417
00:24:56.460 --> 00:25:01.619
She's brought her breasts with her, like, like, you can see her nipples through that dress.

418
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:02.160
Look at it.

419
00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:03.180
It's outrageous.

420
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:04.380
There's no back to it.

421
00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:05.700
It's wonderful.

422
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:07.259
And he's smiling.

423
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:10.559
He's going, oh, okay, we're doing this, which I think is really great.

424
00:25:10.619 --> 00:25:15.359
And then when he looks over at her, he's just kind of going, oh, okay.

425
00:25:15.420 --> 00:25:16.559
So we're doing this.

426
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:17.640
And he's annoyed.

427
00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:18.420
He's not jealous.

428
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:20.700
I don't think he's annoyed or jealous at all.

429
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:23.880
And then he kind of goes, actually, you're being a bit of a priest.

430
00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.460
Now, when she starts the pot, is great.

431
00:25:26.579 --> 00:25:28.619
When she goes, are you pissed off?

432
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:30.180
You are pissed off, aren't you?

433
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.700
none of your business. really jealous, yeah, you know.

434
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:36.599
I mean, Marina, you play a wonderful bitch, you know?

435
00:25:36.660 --> 00:25:39.180
Like, honestly, you're so convincing.

436
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:41.220
I mean look at that.

437
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.400
She looks like she's dressed for dynasty, but even more glamorous.

438
00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:46.319
Yeah, yeah.

439
00:25:46.380 --> 00:25:54.240
Yeah, well, so what is unconvincing here is, of course, that he is her friend.

440
00:25:54.299 --> 00:25:55.500
They're really close.

441
00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:59.220
This is too weird for kind of like all people to do.

442
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:00.299
That's weird.

443
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:01.380
I like this.

444
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:04.079
It's kind of like, because he's going, what the fuck was that?

445
00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:08.400
You know, like he shakes his head as he walks off and goes, what's she up to?

446
00:26:08.460 --> 00:26:10.079
Like, why is she behaving like that?

447
00:26:10.140 --> 00:26:12.059
And we're seeing all these reaction sorts.

448
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:13.559
We've seen that Beverly's not convinced.

449
00:26:13.619 --> 00:26:14.940
We seeing that Riker's not convinced.

450
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:16.019
Nobody's convinced.

451
00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:24.000
Nobody's doing anything about it she's got, you know, 15 layers of latex slapped on her face. poor woman.

452
00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:27.299
Oh no, look at that graphic on the wall. looks very boring.

453
00:26:27.420 --> 00:26:28.259
What are they talking about?

454
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:29.640
Mining.

455
00:26:29.700 --> 00:26:30.779
That must be the...

456
00:26:30.779 --> 00:26:33.900
No, it's the city of Darth.

457
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:35.400
It's a map of the city.

458
00:26:35.460 --> 00:26:37.079
Oh, a few sides.

459
00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:38.099
It's fucking gold.

460
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:39.720
The Twin City Vader.

461
00:26:39.779 --> 00:26:41.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

462
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:43.140
I mean, listen to this.

463
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:45.599
Ray Cox and the Ceronians.

464
00:26:46.740 --> 00:26:48.480
Oh, I couldn't be less interested.

465
00:26:48.539 --> 00:26:50.400
Do you know what the funniest?

466
00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:51.000
I don't know.

467
00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:56.400
The funniest part of that whole plot is when woman exposition, plot, what's her name?

468
00:26:56.460 --> 00:27:01.619
The one he tries to, yeah, Riva comes along and goes, oh, Alka.

469
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:06.539
The Sironian Ambassadors arguing with somebody and it's all falling apart.

470
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:12.059
And I'm like, oh my god, even where we're not seeing any details, it sounds so tedious.

471
00:27:12.299 --> 00:27:21.960
What I love is that Star Trek thinks that in diplomatic situations everyone just argues about the seating arrangements all the time.

472
00:27:22.019 --> 00:27:32.579
So whenever there's a conference, do you remember, like the next episode that this guy's in, alliances, they're everyone's bitching about what the seating arrangements are going to be at the conference.

473
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:33.480
Oh, here we go.

474
00:27:33.539 --> 00:27:34.440
Here we go.

475
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:36.660
And Janeway is why we're here.

476
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:37.859
She's actually having a bad time.

477
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:42.000
She's a point free variance in her work in the wrong direction.

478
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:47.339
The man above her is giving her up. is being mean to her.

479
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:48.779
He's giving us a...

480
00:27:48.779 --> 00:27:53.700
Sorry, stupid names. giving her a hard time.

481
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:56.220
Troy is trying to look sympathetic, right?

482
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:58.500
But for once, just for once.

483
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:02.339
She gets to say what she's actually thinking about these whining falls.

484
00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:06.960
But look at, like, just in performance, she's so bored.

485
00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:10.559
Like, the great thing is, she's listening to this woman say the thing.

486
00:28:10.619 --> 00:28:14.400
She's just kind of rolling her eyes and here she goes, maybe he's just tired of hearing you complain.

487
00:28:14.460 --> 00:28:16.380
I like how she twists it as well.

488
00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:21.720
And she manages to turn it into a threat, you know, if you're not up to it, you know. not up to it.

489
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:25.140
We only take the best on this shit. really upset.

490
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:29.039
And what's great is we never come back to this.

491
00:28:29.099 --> 00:28:30.359
This is never solved.

492
00:28:30.420 --> 00:28:31.500
We don't make this up.

493
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:36.779
So she just thinks that Deanna has said this to her because she's being a whiny baby.

494
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:37.920
Can't we just cut?

495
00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:43.380
So Ensign Janeway on the bridge every time Troy's around, just giving her a look that goes, you bitch.

496
00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:45.420
I hate you, you know.

497
00:28:45.900 --> 00:28:47.819
But this is so great.

498
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.880
You know, Starfleet only takes the best, you know.

499
00:28:50.940 --> 00:28:53.579
Honestly, if you can't handle a .3 variance.

500
00:28:53.819 --> 00:28:55.980
Suck it up, princess.

501
00:28:56.099 --> 00:28:56.700
Where did she say?

502
00:28:56.700 --> 00:28:58.859
We'll send you to a transport ship.

503
00:28:58.920 --> 00:28:59.220
All right.

504
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:00.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

505
00:29:00.420 --> 00:29:05.339
And look, look, her lower lips quivering again, then she gets up and leaves across the front.

506
00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:09.420
And then as she leaves, he goes, she goes, glad I could help.

507
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:13.019
So funny. the best line in the entire episode.

508
00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:14.759
Mama, what's happening here?

509
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.359
There's 5 seconds of this, this shot.

510
00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:21.059
Well, Beverly looks like she's standing like that.

511
00:29:21.059 --> 00:29:22.259
Pumping the console.

512
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:24.240
It's a very strange shot.

513
00:29:24.299 --> 00:29:27.000
My other half went, what's she doing to that console?

514
00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:29.819
I went, I'm not entirely sure, you know.

515
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:35.220
But why are we coming to that very long, slower savage shot of them just standing there.

516
00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:37.980
They've got to kill 5 seconds.

517
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:39.299
That's why.

518
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:45.779
So it's Rick Colby, again, who is, you know, very important and does all of the big episodes.

519
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:52.259
You know, later on, I could see Patrick Stewart's body double very clearly in that transporter pad, you know?

520
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:54.299
Perhaps he needed a bit more time.

521
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:56.519
Oh my god.

522
00:29:56.579 --> 00:29:58.740
No, she's smiling at Laval here.

523
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.779
So actually that wasn't too bad at that bit.

524
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:02.220
There is a bit laid out.

525
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:05.099
I will point it out, you know, where she's pure robot.

526
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:09.299
Yeah, no, but her and LeVar, I think, actually work really well together.

527
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:11.460
They always sort of chill out together.

528
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.460
Coming up is my favourite marina look in the whole episode now.

529
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:16.559
Oh, in the whole series.

530
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:22.140
She's got this massive bum haircut with a huge gray curl coming down.

531
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:23.519
Oh she is.

532
00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:26.099
I mean, that dress.

533
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.680
The dress is astounding.

534
00:30:28.740 --> 00:30:30.599
I mean, I think I would, you know.

535
00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:35.880
She looks absolutely stunning.

536
00:30:35.940 --> 00:30:38.160
Oh, that dress.

537
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:45.180
It's like the most fabulous lapis losing, they could possibly fall and spun into a dress.

538
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:47.460
It's wonderful.

539
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:53.880
But it's also just mostly a kind of transparent mesh. you know, with smesh.

540
00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:58.859
It looks great.

541
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.440
I mean, she has got a body to die for.

542
00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:03.240
Why should she show up?

543
00:31:03.299 --> 00:31:04.259
She just looks terrific.

544
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:05.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

545
00:31:05.819 --> 00:31:07.079
Now, we're coming up.

546
00:31:07.140 --> 00:31:10.980
Can I just say, we're coming up to a signal that I really dislike.

547
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:15.720
And that is when they go to the quarters and she comes onto Riker.

548
00:31:15.779 --> 00:31:20.220
Yeah. and he kisses her and I really hate that.

549
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:24.480
I really, really hate that, that he knows something is influencing her.

550
00:31:24.539 --> 00:31:27.299
He knows something is wrong and he still gives in.

551
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:29.640
Instead of going, right, come with me.

552
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:31.440
I'm going to take you to Sick Bay.

553
00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:35.279
And frankly, you fucking deserves for it to slash his face like she does, she does.

554
00:31:35.339 --> 00:31:36.960
Yeah, yeah.

555
00:31:37.019 --> 00:31:39.000
I don't think you would do that now.

556
00:31:39.059 --> 00:31:47.400
You would never do that now just because consent, you know, like everyone's, you know, like you, it would be like him taking advantage of her when she's drunk.

557
00:31:47.460 --> 00:31:54.779
You know, and even though they're a relationship is established, even though, you know, under any other circumstances, this would be perfectly acceptable.

558
00:31:54.779 --> 00:31:57.480
I just don't like the fact that he kisses her.

559
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.180
No, and he goes in again.

560
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:03.720
Well, he's resisting for a second, but then, yeah, yeah.

561
00:32:03.779 --> 00:32:05.759
I am actually really horny for you.

562
00:32:05.819 --> 00:32:08.759
I realise you're under the influence, but never mind, you know.

563
00:32:08.819 --> 00:32:10.079
Not nice.

564
00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:14.099
No, and I just think it's not been properly thought through.

565
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.559
That's odd too, the way he sort of backs out.

566
00:32:16.619 --> 00:32:23.220
So that's the end of Marina looking truly beautiful in this episode because now the latex cometh.

567
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:25.500
Yeah, and here it is.

568
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:36.839
And I think I said to you, uh, like I imagined Renee Auberchinois, seeing what she wears and going, actually, I think that's probably just a bit too much, much latex, I think.

569
00:32:36.900 --> 00:32:40.619
Well, she was just going absolutely bananas now.

570
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:42.359
Sorry, it's funny.

571
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.500
The bit where she, is this the bit where she comes into the cause and just screams her head off.

572
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:49.680
Yeah, I think I can't remember.

573
00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:55.019
So this is like she looks, this is dreadful, isn't it?

574
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:55.799
Like the...

575
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:57.779
I mean, it's... worse.

576
00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:59.460
It does get worse.

577
00:32:59.579 --> 00:33:02.279
Not quite course oblivion, bad.

578
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.640
But really, will anything ever be that bad?

579
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:10.740
What is an unnatural selection, the one where poor old...

580
00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:14.279
Turtle face, Pulaski...

581
00:33:17.339 --> 00:33:20.819
The ageing makeup is always atrocious.

582
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:21.599
What's the other one?

583
00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:23.759
Too short a season is very bad as well.

584
00:33:23.940 --> 00:33:27.660
Also, as well, they just don't trust her to do it with the performance.

585
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:33.720
They have to make her unbelievably ugly as well because that's the worst thing you could do to a woman.

586
00:33:33.779 --> 00:33:34.859
It's so sexist.

587
00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:35.519
Yes, yeah.

588
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:45.720
Well, you know, we did have ageing makeup fairly recently on Star Trek Discovery, because we had the final episode, which would jump forward in time.

589
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:47.940
I think you saw it.

590
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:51.599
I thought it looked good Like, I thought, you know, Sanita's a beautiful woman.

591
00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:57.480
Little bit of gray, little bit of, you know, the odd line and stuff, but she just looked like a, you know, attractive older woman.

592
00:33:57.539 --> 00:33:59.339
They've nailed it.

593
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:03.660
The Doctor Who approach in the last series where they wanted to age up the companion.

594
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:06.900
And so they just put her in massive glasses and a huge wig.

595
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.480
I was like her face hasn't changed at all.

596
00:34:09.539 --> 00:34:11.820
She still does 18, but she's a big wine glass.

597
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:13.619
She looks middle-aged.

598
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:18.480
I just trust the actor and the audience to go with it.

599
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:19.320
Yeah, absolutely.

600
00:34:19.380 --> 00:34:20.760
But you can't go with this.

601
00:34:20.820 --> 00:34:21.780
It looks ridiculous.

602
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:23.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

603
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:33.960
This could be my favourite scene of the whole episode and the schlockiest moment where Troy comes in with her enormous knife and tries to kill Picard.

604
00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:34.800
Oh my god.

605
00:34:34.860 --> 00:34:37.559
And again, Rick Colby. are you doing?

606
00:34:37.619 --> 00:34:40.500
It's just like the knife materialises out of nowhere.

607
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.840
It's like a bitch.

608
00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:44.340
Keep your arm thick, okay.

609
00:34:44.340 --> 00:34:47.280
Okay, because when he's on the floor, hey, Patrick Stewart.

610
00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:48.480
Oh, God.

611
00:34:48.539 --> 00:34:51.059
Her eyes are, what's happened to her eyes?

612
00:34:53.579 --> 00:34:55.679
Yeah, oh no.

613
00:34:55.739 --> 00:34:57.059
Oh, no.

614
00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:01.380
That's no good It's not even like a tidy knife.

615
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:03.360
It's like a bread knife is massive.

616
00:35:03.420 --> 00:35:04.980
But we just suddenly cut to it.

617
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:05.760
Where did come from?

618
00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:07.139
Where was she keeping it?

619
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:08.940
She's wearing a skin tied outfit.

620
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:10.019
We don't want to know.

621
00:35:10.500 --> 00:35:12.780
She's a horny bitch.

622
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:13.559
Now who knows?

623
00:35:15.300 --> 00:35:17.940
Oh, I did like Beverly's line here.

624
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.900
She goes, get out of sick bay, and I want to see you in sick bay too, because he's just been stabbed.

625
00:35:22.139 --> 00:35:24.179
I like that too.

626
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:25.440
I do like that.

627
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.460
But she, um, like, yeah, yeah.

628
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:29.940
Yeah.

629
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:31.800
God, this is embarrassing, terrible.

630
00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:33.480
No, proceed with a mission.

631
00:35:33.539 --> 00:35:37.079
I know you've really done something terrible to her, but you're needed down there, you know?

632
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:42.059
There's one person in the whole universe that could possibly do these negotiations.

633
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:44.579
Oh, yeah.

634
00:35:44.579 --> 00:35:46.320
Fabulous Nurser Gower.

635
00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:47.579
We just lost her, haven't we?

636
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:49.619
Yeah, we have.

637
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:50.460
We have.

638
00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:55.619
She does some really kind of crappy exposition acting here, I'm afraid.

639
00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:58.139
This isn't her best moment.

640
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:01.380
She does have some really great moments. the rarest thing, though, isn't it?

641
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:08.280
It's somebody on the ship that they actually allowed to keep appearing and they started to give a bit of personality and backstory too.

642
00:36:08.340 --> 00:36:10.860
I mean, they didn't. should have been more of that all along.

643
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:12.840
They killed off one of her children, didn't they?

644
00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:14.039
Well, that was all about.

645
00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:15.960
She had a terrible time in one episode.

646
00:36:16.019 --> 00:36:20.880
No, she loses the baby in an alternative timeline, but it's a few good things.

647
00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:21.719
Rampai, yeah.

648
00:36:21.780 --> 00:36:22.980
Brandon Barakarashu.

649
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:24.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

650
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.840
He loves killing people in alternative timelines.

651
00:36:27.900 --> 00:36:29.039
Oh, here we go.

652
00:36:29.099 --> 00:36:30.119
Paul Beverly.

653
00:36:30.179 --> 00:36:31.860
Beverly.

654
00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:32.519
Clip.

655
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:33.719
What's the hair clip?

656
00:36:33.780 --> 00:36:34.440
What's happening?

657
00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:36.960
One must have a bit of femininity, Nathan.

658
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.739
It's her doing a little gossipy thing too as well.

659
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:42.239
It's like, well, you know what?

660
00:36:42.300 --> 00:36:45.239
I found out about May law. 30 year old, you know.

661
00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:48.059
It's just like, that's how she's playing it.

662
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:48.599
It's pretty great.

663
00:36:48.659 --> 00:36:50.639
Jean-Luc, please let me cut her open.

664
00:36:50.699 --> 00:36:52.800
Like, yeah, yeah.

665
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:54.719
I don't care about the customs.

666
00:36:54.780 --> 00:36:55.800
I love all that.

667
00:36:55.860 --> 00:36:56.940
I thought that was really good.

668
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:57.659
Go for it.

669
00:36:57.719 --> 00:36:58.679
Yeah, fuck that guy.

670
00:36:58.739 --> 00:37:00.719
Who gives a shit about his customs?

671
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.599
She could do anything in this episode.

672
00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:06.900
She can mend a shoulder once you've been stabbed.

673
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:08.280
She can de-age people.

674
00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:13.320
She can bring people back from death, like Dr. Beverly is the best.

675
00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:15.119
McCoy, you're in the bin.

676
00:37:15.179 --> 00:37:21.300
Yeah, she'll go underturn people from not from being frogs and spiders and shit back to being themselves.

677
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.880
So this is this is chance play compared to that.

678
00:37:23.940 --> 00:37:26.579
Can I say that I like this set?

679
00:37:26.699 --> 00:37:28.920
What, because Freddy Room?

680
00:37:28.980 --> 00:37:30.300
Where are we?

681
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:34.199
No, no, no, the, the, uh, On the thing.

682
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.860
Now, you're gonna need to give me more than that, I'm afraid.

683
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:38.639
Oh, okay.

684
00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:39.480
Down on the planet.

685
00:37:39.539 --> 00:37:40.860
Oh, that's it.

686
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:42.960
Yeah, well, because it isn't a stock colony, is it?

687
00:37:43.019 --> 00:37:44.400
They've done a bit of dressing, though.

688
00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:45.420
No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

689
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

690
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:53.760
We haven't seen sort of peak McFadden robot yet, but this seems pretty bad.

691
00:37:53.820 --> 00:38:03.119
But she's not, she is showing concern for Troy, but not in a way that is she's still just having to deliver all this exposition, isn't she?

692
00:38:03.179 --> 00:38:04.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

693
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.599
You know, it's all plot, a no character.

694
00:38:06.659 --> 00:38:09.239
Yeah, well, that's Star Trek, though.

695
00:38:09.300 --> 00:38:13.679
That's what that's what happens with Star Trek. light there behind them.

696
00:38:13.739 --> 00:38:18.659
That sort of fabulous chandelier strikes me as a sort of thing your husband would bring home one day, you know?

697
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:20.280
I'll see it behind you the room.

698
00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:24.300
We actually do have one of them in one of the rooms. chandelier.

699
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:25.019
Absolutely, yeah.

700
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. a chandelier.

701
00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:30.300
Pay for my board when I visit it, I'll clean it, all right?

702
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:31.079
Yeah, right.

703
00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:31.739
You're right.

704
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:34.920
I mean, it's very period.

705
00:38:34.980 --> 00:38:42.539
It is, you know, like a very, very period sad, but it's big, you know, high ceiling and stuff.

706
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:48.000
How in these futuristic success, they just sort of do all these geometrics, are you got a circle there, square?

707
00:38:48.059 --> 00:38:51.179
You know, like, it's all...

708
00:38:51.179 --> 00:38:52.679
It's pleasing on the eye.

709
00:38:52.739 --> 00:38:53.880
Yeah, yeah.

710
00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:56.820
It's pretty good. statuette there behind him.

711
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:57.539
Huge gold.

712
00:38:57.539 --> 00:38:59.639
Yeah. statue, you know?

713
00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:01.679
Clearly they are civilised people.

714
00:39:02.219 --> 00:39:04.019
Yes, exactly.

715
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.800
They do kill one another at enormous rates though, apparently.

716
00:39:07.860 --> 00:39:09.960
This is the bear.

717
00:39:10.019 --> 00:39:15.480
This is the bit where, you know, the villain is sort of revealed and confronted and you'd expect them to go, haha, haha.

718
00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:17.460
Yes, I was evil all along, you know.

719
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:25.860
No, he's like, no, I discovered a bit of a while ago now that I could do this thing to women and I could go and be a fabulous negotiator, you know?

720
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:26.460
isn't it great?

721
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:28.739
He doesn't care at all, does he?

722
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:29.519
No.

723
00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:35.820
So yeah, Brennan Braga is quoted on the memory alpha page.

724
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:46.380
And what he says is that this bit, and I think he's right to kind of go, this bit is boring and it doesn't work because there's no moral dilemma here.

725
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:48.539
It's almost like, what should we do?

726
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.599
What about the people of Raykog, Ceronia?

727
00:39:51.719 --> 00:40:00.239
Is it fair to stop this guy from doing his negotiation merely because he frequently kills women?

728
00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:01.260
Do you know what I mean?

729
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:07.500
So on the one hand, he kills a lot of women, but on the other hand, he's a very good negotiator.

730
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:14.039
And maybe we shouldn't let the fact that he kills a lot of women influence the way we feel about him as a negotiator.

731
00:40:14.099 --> 00:40:15.179
And clearly that's mad.

732
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:17.699
Like no one in the room, do you know what I mean?

733
00:40:17.820 --> 00:40:19.139
That's not a moral dilemma.

734
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:20.039
No, no, no, no.

735
00:40:20.099 --> 00:40:23.820
But I'm kind of saying that that's sort of the thing that, you know, sort of going on.

736
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:28.019
I think if Jerry Taylor was being quoted, another person we sadly recently lost.

737
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:29.579
Yes, yeah.

738
00:40:29.579 --> 00:40:33.000
That maybe the emphasis might be different on the critique.

739
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:34.619
Yes.

740
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:35.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

741
00:40:35.699 --> 00:40:37.199
So so that's boring.

742
00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:37.679
Okay.

743
00:40:37.739 --> 00:40:38.880
So that doesn't work.

744
00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:42.119
There's no real dilemma here, so what the hell is going on?

745
00:40:42.179 --> 00:40:46.320
And so what Braga says is it should have been darker.

746
00:40:46.380 --> 00:40:53.940
We should have had like a longer scene with Ensign Janeway and not have played it for comedy, but just watched her dissent into sort of madness and evil.

747
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:59.460
And then you kind of go, well, also that's not very interesting because that's just happening for space reasons.

748
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.099
And so, and so what?

749
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:03.300
You know, like...

750
00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:05.699
See, a much more unpleasant episode to watch, though.

751
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:07.619
Well, that's Braga though, isn't it?

752
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:08.280
Do you know what I mean?

753
00:41:08.340 --> 00:41:11.219
Like Braga doesn't want it to be campy and ridiculous.

754
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:12.780
He wants it to be...

755
00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:14.820
Tom Paris puking up his tongue.

756
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:16.139
It's very calm.

757
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:16.679
Yeah, yeah.

758
00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:19.139
Oh, wharf.

759
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:19.920
Jesus Christ.

760
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:25.679
Oh, no, look at the very lazy latex slapped on the Sironian's head slut.

761
00:41:25.739 --> 00:41:31.019
Yeah. sort of mild Klingon, but not.

762
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:33.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

763
00:41:33.900 --> 00:41:36.420
Oh my god, they desperately need you in there.

764
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:38.400
They're complaining about the seating around.

765
00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:45.000
Oh, yeah. typical TNG bureaucracy. absolutely.

766
00:41:45.059 --> 00:41:45.900
It's so bad.

767
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:46.800
It is so bad.

768
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:49.260
Oh, yeah, yeah.

769
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:50.099
Oh, that was quite nice.

770
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:55.380
They came on the pad, but they did put on a tiny special effect of them just sort of the end of the beam in.

771
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:56.639
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

772
00:41:56.699 --> 00:41:57.480
That's what we...

773
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.579
I wonder if that was...

774
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.219
One of those touches that they added.

775
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:04.860
Oh, another new transport achieve.

776
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.320
Of course, because O'Brien's now on DS9, isn't he?

777
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

778
00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:12.780
Oh, that shot of now, that angle.

779
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:13.440
Do not.

780
00:42:13.739 --> 00:42:14.880
I mean, I'm not going to say it.

781
00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:17.039
That's not a good angle, that long shot.

782
00:42:17.099 --> 00:42:19.800
It's so bad, isn't it?

783
00:42:19.860 --> 00:42:22.320
Just that look is really really bad.

784
00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:25.920
Um, yeah, yeah, just shocking.

785
00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:26.940
I mean, can I ask you, right?

786
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.820
Because, you know, uh, you know, you're in your early 40s.

787
00:42:29.940 --> 00:42:31.559
Something like that.

788
00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:38.820
Has your head grown substantially since you were sort of 18?

789
00:42:38.940 --> 00:42:41.159
Yeah, I think probably.

790
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:42.780
To be fair.

791
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:50.460
It's like it's just like the big latex sack on her face and because she's not moving, do you know what I mean?

792
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:54.000
It just looks so bad, it looks astoundingly poor.

793
00:42:54.059 --> 00:42:58.260
It's the worst, ugliest looking alien we've ever seen in the next generation.

794
00:42:58.320 --> 00:42:59.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

795
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:01.079
She just, like, we've seen old people.

796
00:43:01.139 --> 00:43:01.980
Do you know what I mean?

797
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:03.659
We live in a world where there are old people.

798
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:08.400
This is true. is an older woman and she doesn't look anything like that. she?

799
00:43:08.460 --> 00:43:09.599
No, no.

800
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:12.059
And we've now seen Marina.

801
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:12.719
Do you know what I mean?

802
00:43:12.780 --> 00:43:16.679
Like, what, 30 years later and she doesn't look like that?

803
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:30.480
I know it's boring, but maybe they should have covered it with a lie, you know, they should become a nest drawing old husk. because of the, I don't know, this is the effects of it, but it's just very bad makeup indeed.

804
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:31.619
You know?

805
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:34.139
Have they talked about killing her yet?

806
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:38.940
That's a bit where all sanity had left the episode.

807
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:48.480
Now, look, I can use this deadly drug and it's going to, and she'll be completely dead, but only for 30 minutes, then I'm going to have to bring her back to life again.

808
00:43:48.539 --> 00:43:55.199
Well, I actually I actually think, you know, the history of medicine is a little bit like that.

809
00:43:55.260 --> 00:44:01.079
People who are, you know, who we could never have recovered or would never have got better or whatever.

810
00:44:01.139 --> 00:44:03.840
Like, it's, you know, years in the future.

811
00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:05.159
Like, I think that's okay.

812
00:44:05.219 --> 00:44:06.239
Do you know what I mean?

813
00:44:06.300 --> 00:44:08.760
Like they don't damage her body.

814
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:15.300
They just close down her vital signs and stuff and prepare and, you know, repair in stasis and things.

815
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:16.920
So she's kind of fine.

816
00:44:16.980 --> 00:44:20.219
But I can think of many occasions across style, right?

817
00:44:20.340 --> 00:44:26.880
where murdering. or appearing to murder somebody, you know, could have been quite useful and then bringing them back from the point of death.

818
00:44:26.940 --> 00:44:31.380
I mean, I think Jesse attacks was only dead for about 22 minutes, you know, when they discovered her.

819
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:37.380
Oh, yeah, yeah, but she'd been kind of horribly burned and stuff, remember, by like she'd been traumatised.

820
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:41.219
She wasn't just put to sleep using a very gentle drug by Beverly.

821
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:42.239
Do you know what I mean?

822
00:44:42.300 --> 00:44:43.679
Like there was damage and stuff.

823
00:44:43.739 --> 00:44:50.280
And you know, another example of the terrific sexism in this episode is the actor that's playing alcohol.

824
00:44:50.340 --> 00:44:52.980
I used to lie because he's got a script which has given him lots to do.

825
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:55.619
The poor actress playing, what's her name again?

826
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:57.659
Lever, I think.

827
00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:59.400
Lever.

828
00:44:59.400 --> 00:44:59.880
Something.

829
00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:09.900
L-I-V-A. She's just simpering and she just is there to get us from A to B and to be, you know, the victim, the last victim at the end of the episode.

830
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:11.340
There's just nothing to her at all.

831
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:14.820
There's no personality, no chance to act at all.

832
00:45:14.940 --> 00:45:18.119
She is just a function. very thankless part.

833
00:45:18.179 --> 00:45:18.599
Yeah.

834
00:45:18.659 --> 00:45:23.039
But, I mean, you know, that's a thing that tends to happen on Star Trek the Next Generation.

835
00:45:23.099 --> 00:45:24.900
You know, it's not a character piece, really.

836
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.239
It's the sort of thing. very rarely.

837
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:28.980
Kursman trick does brilliantly.

838
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:32.400
They can do like one or 2 scene characters that you just never forget.

839
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:34.260
Yeah, yeah.

840
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:36.539
We're just better at writing people now, though, aren't we?

841
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.280
Well, I think that that's it.

842
00:45:38.340 --> 00:45:40.019
I think absolutely that's it.

843
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:48.539
And, you know, it's thanks to the shows that came between Star Trek the Next Generation and Kurtzman Trek that headed off in that direction, I think.

844
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:51.960
I do like now, though, you know, sort of he's exposed.

845
00:45:52.019 --> 00:45:56.340
He can play the funeral right scene because the 1st time we saw it.

846
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:59.639
It just, you know, he played it as if this is a genuine general, right?

847
00:45:59.699 --> 00:46:05.579
And we realised that now he's sort of his body language is like, oh, I loved her so much, you know?

848
00:46:05.579 --> 00:46:09.360
Please, can we do the funeral rites, you know?

849
00:46:09.420 --> 00:46:13.440
I must say goodbye to her in the way only I can, you know, all of this.

850
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.280
I just think the actor is great.

851
00:46:17.340 --> 00:46:19.139
He is really good.

852
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:20.639
And I think you might be right.

853
00:46:20.699 --> 00:46:24.059
This is his best role on Star Trek for sure.

854
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:26.159
Oh, and this best episode.

855
00:46:26.219 --> 00:46:29.760
I mean, we did like alliances. especially when that spaceship came down.

856
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.280
I tried to murder everybody in the conference.

857
00:46:33.300 --> 00:46:36.480
Terrible special effect, but it was a great moment.

858
00:46:36.659 --> 00:46:38.039
Okay.

859
00:46:38.099 --> 00:46:40.019
Actually, you are right.

860
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:48.000
O'Gower is another part of the sexism in this episode as well, exhibiting no personality whatsoever, a part to say medical babble.

861
00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:55.380
Yeah, but I mean, in a sense, that's a role and making her more of a character is a thing that they do and they really only do it at the end.

862
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.260
I think it's because they like the actual scene in the game.

863
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:02.099
Yeah, I think that that's how those sorts of things work. seen in the game.

864
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:03.119
She's great.

865
00:47:03.179 --> 00:47:04.500
That's her best scene ever.

866
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.619
I'm on level 71, Wesley.

867
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:25.260
So we're using cordrazine to bring Deanna backs alive, which is, of course, it's the made up drug that McCoy overdoses on in the city on the edge of forever.

868
00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:32.039
And I think I've done a little sort of thing into cordrazine because it does keep appearing in Star Trek.

869
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:33.539
The latex.

870
00:47:33.780 --> 00:47:36.420
Is it does it feature a lot?

871
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.000
Is it a popular time to time?

872
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:43.500
Popular drug in next year generation. to bringing people back to life, I guess.

873
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:44.400
Okay.

874
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:49.139
I could see how it would be very useful to having your medical satchel, you know?

875
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:49.860
Exactly.

876
00:47:50.340 --> 00:47:52.860
No, I'm doing the infantry.

877
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:54.420
Have we got any cordra scene?

878
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:55.920
Oh, no, we'll need that.

879
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:57.840
Our order of that is, cordisine would be good.

880
00:47:57.900 --> 00:48:00.480
People die on this show on a regular occurrence.

881
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.920
Now watch him as the ceremony goes wrong.

882
00:48:04.980 --> 00:48:06.840
He does a total comedy for air it is.

883
00:48:08.340 --> 00:48:11.519
He almost goes boss eyed, but not quite.

884
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:13.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

885
00:48:13.139 --> 00:48:13.860
He's great.

886
00:48:13.980 --> 00:48:20.039
And at this point, of course, you want him to be dead, which is not really normally a Star Trek thing.

887
00:48:20.099 --> 00:48:23.940
You know, Star Trek doesn't necessarily have villains in an episode.

888
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:25.619
It's not where it normally goes.

889
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:30.239
It's awesome that it does. is before he dies, right?

890
00:48:30.300 --> 00:48:37.500
He lifts up his finger to say something either very profound or very insulting, but because he's so old.

891
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:39.900
It just dies before he gets to sleep.

892
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:42.059
It's just tremendous, so good.

893
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:43.079
So good.

894
00:48:43.139 --> 00:48:45.480
Oh my god, his face.

895
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:51.719
And no one's hair is like that when they're old.

896
00:48:51.780 --> 00:48:52.500
Look at his hair.

897
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:55.440
No, no, again, the makeup people.

898
00:48:55.500 --> 00:48:58.199
Michael Westmore has never seen anyone over 40.

899
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:02.460
I've never seen a zombie in a horror movie that looks as horrific as that.

900
00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:06.480
Oh, look how beautiful Marina Certis looks now.

901
00:49:06.539 --> 00:49:09.480
Oh, she has her best hair ever, I think, in this area.

902
00:49:09.539 --> 00:49:12.360
Well, it's all sort of flowing over the bed, isn't it?

903
00:49:12.420 --> 00:49:14.280
cascading like a waterfall.

904
00:49:14.340 --> 00:49:16.079
Yeah, yeah.

905
00:49:16.380 --> 00:49:18.900
Now this is this is more like it.

906
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.820
She goes, Will, he takes a hand.

907
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:22.260
It's very tender, you know?

908
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:24.059
It's not rapey.

909
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:25.380
It's not exploitative.

910
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:26.039
It's just nice.

911
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:36.539
In fact, I mean, this scene is a very sort of boring return to the status quo scene, and here, let me explain how I feel and what's been going on in this episode.

912
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:44.039
But what I think is unusual about it is that we almost never see Riker and Troy as demonstrative as this.

913
00:49:44.099 --> 00:49:46.320
You know, they're not together.

914
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:56.699
They are just friends, but that kiss, and where, you know, she lies back on his chest, and they kind of say, I'll always be here even when you're old and gray.

915
00:49:56.820 --> 00:50:05.219
And it turns out that's what happens, which is just wonderful, you know, like, and they can't have had any idea of any of that.

916
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:09.179
But I do think that that is actually quite a nice moment.

917
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:20.219
I'm terribly pleased, you know, the writers that can actually write television came along. and paid off all these relationships that they forgot to do in the last season of Star Trek the Next Generation.

918
00:50:20.219 --> 00:50:21.539
Because they thought, you know what?

919
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:22.440
No, not Riker.

920
00:50:22.500 --> 00:50:22.920
Wharf.

921
00:50:22.980 --> 00:50:25.500
Wharf's about bad for Troy, you know?

922
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:30.239
Well, yeah, I mean, it lets them do different things, but they don't.

923
00:50:30.300 --> 00:50:31.860
So like whatever.

924
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:32.940
It is very strange.

925
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:40.260
It does make parallels a little bit more interesting, I guess, because it goes somewhere in some way.

926
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:41.699
So, I don't know.

927
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:46.380
I'm going to have to put my cards on the table and just say that was deliriously enjoyable.

928
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:54.000
But in no way competent, Osage from Marina Services, stratospheric performance in that.

929
00:50:54.059 --> 00:50:58.800
And I just wish we could have seen a bit more of that in 7 seasons.

930
00:50:58.980 --> 00:51:15.239
Well, I think that, you know, this is a dumb episode, except the idea that giving Marina more fun things to do is something that we should absolutely do, and that's brilliant, and of course, that should always have happened.

931
00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:22.739
I think something as well that's really emerged from us watching, and especially in TNG.

932
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:38.400
It's not exclusive to TNG, but we've talked about it most in TNG, especially in these sort of romance episodes, and that is just the base level of uncomfortable sexism that is apparent in the show.

933
00:51:38.460 --> 00:51:44.519
And I know that's a modern day reading on something that we loved when we were younger.

934
00:51:44.579 --> 00:51:51.179
But, you know, they people point at the original series and say that is, and it is incredibly sexist.

935
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:51.960
Don't get me wrong.

936
00:51:52.019 --> 00:51:54.420
It's hugely problematic.

937
00:51:54.480 --> 00:52:00.659
But it's almost a bit more insidious in DNG or 90s trek as a whole.

938
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:03.239
I think they do get better.

939
00:52:03.300 --> 00:52:07.559
But yeah, there's a lot of this that's icky.

940
00:52:07.619 --> 00:52:08.159
Yeah.

941
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:13.199
It's only got... schlocky that it's just so fun to watch, you know?

942
00:52:13.260 --> 00:52:16.800
And I think Marina endorses it.

943
00:52:16.860 --> 00:52:25.860
Not the sexism, but she just endorses the idiocy on this episode by going, I'm not going to be embarrassed by this. going to go for it.

944
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.320
And thank God that she did.

945
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:42.360
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

946
00:52:42.420 --> 00:52:50.760
Now, because we've just watched an episode we really enjoyed, I want to choose something that we're reliably going to hate.

947
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:57.719
And so I have picked for our delectation next week, the animated series of Star Trek.

948
00:52:57.780 --> 00:52:59.280
Oh, wonderful.

949
00:52:59.579 --> 00:53:00.780
What do you mean we're not going to insure it?

950
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:01.320
aren't we?

951
00:53:01.380 --> 00:53:02.579
I mean, it won't be good.

952
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:04.079
You might enjoy it.

953
00:53:04.139 --> 00:53:08.820
Well, as usual, I'm gonna pull up, you know, a bit of behind the scenes here, guys.

954
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:12.719
Jammer's website, so because we don't know anything about the animated series.

955
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:18.059
So I can at least just read the little precis that he puts on his website. would be very helpful.

956
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:20.340
All right.

957
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:21.179
All right.

958
00:53:21.300 --> 00:53:26.639
Okay, so here goes, and I am pressing the button now.

959
00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:34.800
Your random Star Trek, the animated series episode is the Eye of the Beholder.

960
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:37.739
The eye of the beholder.

961
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:40.199
This is the penultimate episode of series one.

962
00:53:40.260 --> 00:53:40.860
Okay.

963
00:53:40.860 --> 00:53:46.380
The enterprise investigates the disappearance of a science team on a mysterious world.

964
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:50.219
That is the most generic... anything.

965
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:56.340
That's about 12 to 15 different episodes of Star Trek.

966
00:53:56.400 --> 00:54:00.780
To call you, it does have one half star less than them.

967
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:02.159
Oh, it's 2 stars.

968
00:54:02.219 --> 00:54:03.900
He's not a big fan.

969
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:06.300
Or a whole style lesson what?

970
00:54:06.300 --> 00:54:07.800
Our lovely Tom Seleski.

971
00:54:07.860 --> 00:54:09.119
Hi, Tom, gave them.

972
00:54:09.179 --> 00:54:10.260
Yes, yes.

973
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:12.960
Things aren't looking good on that one.

974
00:54:13.019 --> 00:54:14.400
No let's do another one.

975
00:54:14.460 --> 00:54:15.599
Okay.

976
00:54:15.659 --> 00:54:18.360
Okay, so this is a slightly odd one.

977
00:54:18.420 --> 00:54:26.099
This is season one, episode 6, and it's the singular version of an episode that we've already done.

978
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:30.179
So we've already done Star Trek, the Next Generation, the Survivors.

979
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:32.760
This is the Survivor.

980
00:54:32.820 --> 00:54:34.500
Just one of them.

981
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:35.699
Okay.

982
00:54:35.699 --> 00:54:36.239
I don't know.

983
00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:39.840
I am assuming it's either Kevin or Rashon, but not both of them.

984
00:54:39.900 --> 00:54:42.539
It's wow, let's see. yeah.

985
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:53.340
The Enterprise crew rescues are human survivor. sorry, it must be Rashon, who has been missing for 5 years, but they soon realise he might not be all he seems.

986
00:54:53.699 --> 00:54:57.059
Is he deliberately trying to make these sound generic?

987
00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:57.659
That's great.

988
00:54:57.719 --> 00:54:58.380
That sounds awesome.

989
00:54:58.440 --> 00:54:59.519
How many stars does he give it?

990
00:54:59.579 --> 00:55:03.000
Uh, he gives that uh, Bem Anahol.

991
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:03.539
Wolf store.

992
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:04.619
So this could be a classic.

993
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:07.320
We could be heading into class. stars.

994
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:08.099
I think we do it.

995
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:10.019
I think we absolutely do it.

996
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:11.460
I'll just say this.

997
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:21.840
He does say in his last paragraph that M Rez, the Catwoman, voiced by Major Barrett, makes her 1st appearance as a communication.

998
00:55:21.900 --> 00:55:22.079
Okay.

999
00:55:22.139 --> 00:55:22.800
That sounds awesome.

1000
00:55:22.860 --> 00:55:23.699
Brilliant.

1001
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:32.460
The only thing we can properly guarantee is the laziest cartoon drawings you've ever seen in an animated series.

1002
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:37.260
And we'll come up with some canonical way that Mares or Emires.

1003
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:42.659
I don't even know how to say her name, is related to Dr. Taana on board the Cerritos.

1004
00:55:43.500 --> 00:55:45.719
Brain aunt and rest.

1005
00:55:45.780 --> 00:55:46.739
Oh, bear for it.

1006
00:55:55.320 --> 00:56:06.900
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1007
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:12.179
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lahn.

1008
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:17.820
This episode was recorded on the 29th of October 2024 and released on the 1st of November.

1009
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:22.619
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the animated series, The Survivor.

1010
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:40.739
Let's do it.

1011
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:42.840
I'll pique the animated series.

1012
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:44.579
Okay.

1013
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:48.719
So I'll, uh, how are we doing on that on the coverage page?

1014
00:56:48.780 --> 00:56:50.519
We are ahead.

1015
00:56:53.579 --> 00:56:56.099
It's our 3rd most cut.

1016
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:56.699
You know what?

1017
00:56:56.760 --> 00:57:01.320
I, um, when I listened back to supernova.

1018
00:57:01.380 --> 00:57:03.119
I was like, man, oh man.

1019
00:57:03.179 --> 00:57:04.139
There's a.

1020
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:07.079
There's a Star Wars.

1021
00:57:08.340 --> 00:57:13.380
There's a Star Wars podcast, you know, I don't know, I don't know, we'd have any time.

1022
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:17.639
But I really enjoyed listening back to I was talking about that because it's so totally new, you know?

1023
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:18.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1024
00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:19.380
Yeah.

1025
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:25.139
I didn't know that you really liked the last Jedi, but I've always really liked it.

1026
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:26.579
That was great.

1027
00:57:26.579 --> 00:57:26.880
Yeah.

1028
00:57:26.940 --> 00:57:28.679
I'm not watching the last one.

1029
00:57:28.739 --> 00:57:29.340
Did I tell you?

1030
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:32.159
I've just decided that's the end.

1031
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:34.199
I know I can do that.

1032
00:57:34.260 --> 00:57:35.579
You can do whatever you want.

1033
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:37.199
Andor was very good.

1034
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:40.199
Have you seen Andor?

1035
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:45.179
No, we're still working our way through...

1036
00:57:45.179 --> 00:57:47.280
Oh, you're doing it like in order.

1037
00:57:47.340 --> 00:57:48.239
Obi-Wan.

1038
00:57:48.300 --> 00:57:48.480
Yeah.

1039
00:57:48.539 --> 00:57:54.119
Yeah, well, we sort of ruined it now by watching all the movies or the cinema, but Andor is just great.

1040
00:57:54.179 --> 00:57:55.860
Like properly good.

1041
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:57.719
Like, I won't watch any of the other.

1042
00:57:57.780 --> 00:58:03.059
I watched the beginning of the Mandalorian, and it was proper grown up drama, and it's really, really good.

1043
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:04.320
It's terrific.

1044
00:58:04.380 --> 00:58:05.219
Huge.

1045
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:14.880
I mean, I'd have a, I do have a huge appreciation for the universe that they've built and especially the the innovations with the TV shows that they're doing now.

1046
00:58:15.780 --> 00:58:19.679
But I just don't have the nostalgia for it, you know?

1047
00:58:19.739 --> 00:58:20.880
Yeah, yeah.

1048
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:22.800
So I can sort of take it or leave it.

1049
00:58:22.860 --> 00:58:23.460
Yeah.

1050
00:58:23.460 --> 00:58:25.559
Yeah. anyway.

1051
00:58:25.619 --> 00:58:26.579
All right, okay.

1052
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:27.179
Let's do it.

1053
00:58:28.139 --> 00:58:30.659
All right, it's the end of the episode.