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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are doing Star Trek Prodigy this week, and the last time we did Star Trek Prodigy, we did a sort of series 2 episode one, although it was episode one and two, it was a 2 barter.

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And now we're going back to immediately before then to fill in the gap, we are watching the series finale or the season finale, at least, of season one, episodes 19 and 20, and it's supernova part one and supernova part 2, and I have a confession to make.

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As I was watching this, I was worried that you might not like it.

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Can you imagine why?

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I mean, there was one moment where, you know, it was the purest Star Trek imaginable of the sort that, you know, we've discussed lately that you like.

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Was it that?

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Maybe, what video talking about?

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There was the bit where they were saying, you know, oh, we're all one, and we're all, and everyone's all, yeah, that bit.

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No, I love that bit.

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In fact, there are 3 bits that I'm worried about because there are 3 big speeches when we come to part two, we'll talk about how it's paced, and I think it's paced in a really good way, but there's a hologram Janeway says goodbye to the kids' speech, gorgeous.

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Really, really great. absolutely gorgeous.

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That whole bit.

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The ship going off, all of it was gorgeous.

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The wonderful speech that Gwyn gives about the Federation and how it offers hope for everyone, you know, the way that she persuades all of the allies to come and help in the battle.

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And I think when you take the federation to a precipice like you do here, you've earned a little bit between us on the back of it, and then the being speech from Janeway at the trial at the end of part 2 where she talks about how great the kids are and how great the federation is.

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Nathan, I was just so happy that we got a coda on earth.

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After Voyages Endgame, you know, all that potential that we were denied that all these characters have got hit earth.

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There were consequences for what happened, and there is a direction for the future.

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No, I didn't object to any of those, mate.

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In fact, I've got to say, this was a particularly stunning episode of Deep Space 9 that I watched this morning.

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My screen was full of fabulous spaceships all shooting at each other.

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The Klingons came in at the right point to save the day.

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There was the Federation at the, sort of the edge of being destroyed in some massive calamity.

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We were intercutting with genuine scenes of emotion between fully rounded characters.

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I mean, that 1st half of this.

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I was like, this is basically tears of the prophets, but 20 years later with better special effects.

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And boy, I bought, I'm on board for all of that.

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I freaking loved it.

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I mean, I love the whole tea barter and I think it paid off brilliantly.

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Weirdly enough, do you know what, um, papered over a lot of those Star Trekie moments in episode 2 was the music.

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Oh, it was just so move, but the the slow motion, the ship going and the music during that scene.

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I was getting goosebumps out.

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Jesus, Joe Chatterway's in a well in the past now, isn't it?

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I mean, we quite like J.

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Chataway, but.

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Oh, no, I think he's the best composer of the 90s, but... this is this is... a considered beautiful score. and a couple of very good uses of the original Star Trek theme at just the right moment as well which I thought was really great.

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I do have one question.

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No, I have about 120 questions, but we'll get into that when we talk about the episodes.

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My one question is this, yeah.

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This is so good.

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This finale is better than about 98% of other trek finales.

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How the hell did they let this series go when it was delivering this sort of material?

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What is wrong with these people?

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It's very strange, isn't it?

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And I guess we'll probably never know.

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It has something to do, I think, with it being pitched at children.

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It's not.

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It's not.

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I'm telling you now, you have to have your wits about you watching this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, it's quite complex and the serialisation is sort of quite detailed and, you know, this is paying off stuff that happened 10 episodes earlier.

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This is a 20 part season and there's a mid-season break.

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There was a substantial break between the 1st 10 and the last 10 episodes.

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And the stuff that happens when we return.

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That's when we discover the construct, we meet Admiral Janeway.

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I think is probably the cliffhanger to episode 10 is the real Admiral Janeway turns up.

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We learn about the construct.

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We learn about what the Vanu Kart are doing.

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You know, the 100, we learn about Ascensia, we learn about all of those things that are important here.

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That's mostly my questions, if I'm honest.

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I'm sure you'll be able to explain as we go along.

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It's only because I haven't seen the 2nd half in its entirety.

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I'm a few pertinent details missing.

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Yeah.

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I mean, some of it is stuff that came up in series two, episode one because one thing that I didn't remember is how thoroughly this sets up where we start in series two, and in particular with the rift that's created by the destruction of the protostar, and, you know, then an alternative version of the future, 50 years in the future, where Chakotay loses the protostar, and it goes back in time only to be discovered by Gwen's father.

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Anyway, the return of the character we were all gagging for, Chakotah.

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I'm surprised, actually, given our vocal, he's been about a lot of things.

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What I will say, my one complaint about this, and it is a minor complaint, and frankly, I'm blaming you rather than prodigy, and that is that you chose series 2.one.

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And so I knew where all these characters were going to end up.

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So there was no great suspense for me watching this because I knew they were all going to be fine.

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She was going off to her home world and everyone else was going to be in the academy by the end because we'd already watched the 1st of the 2nd season.

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But hey, that's the name of the game with untitled Star Trek Project.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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There are spoilers, there we will be spoilers.

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And it's my fault for not watching this previously all the way through like you have.

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So, although that is really enjoyable.

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Now, doing these like live, basically, watching it and then talking about it because you've got somebody there who's done the run and somebody's and that's that's 2 different perspectives there.

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Yeah, yeah, no, I think that works well.

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And we both love it, so I'm saying it works.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, no, I just think this is terrific. enjoyed it enormously. really competent, really well told, visually stunning.

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It does things that we've never seen before.

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It's absolutely everything that I want.

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And I just love those characters.

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I love the kids.

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I think they're really great. there are lots of other characters as well.

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This is like a fusion of what you like and what I like in Star Trek.

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I like big arcs and dramas and consequences for the federation and all this stuff and politics and it's all going on in this.

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Yeah, you like competent, lovely people working together to, you know, there's a very big space problem at the Cliffhanger to episode one to sort out in episode two.

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I was like, shit, how are they going to get out of this one?

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It's a fantastic lifting app.

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We'll get there.

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Yeah, so in terms of, yeah, we discussed a lot lately, haven't we, the Star Trek you like and the Star Trek, I like, this is the Star Trek we like. finally, they fuse the 2 together.

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And one last thought because this is going to go by so fast.

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They're 20 odd minute episodes.

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Yeah, so we'll be talking a lot about what's on the screen.

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But I messaged you and said, like, this is making direct references to Voyager at times.

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I think that obviously the counterpoint reference in episode one, but definitely the ship coming over the bridge in episode 2 and then doing the consequences.

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Like they are literally saying this is what Voyager should have done.

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Yep.

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This is a lot better than Voyager.

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Not just visually, because that's an obvious thing to say, yeah.

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But it's doing the thing that Voyager wouldn't allow itself to do, and that is having complex, long-running storylines, you know, big cast of characters with guest characters coming in as well, which Voyager just rejected outright.

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Proper, sincere relationships between people, which, you know, they they sort of kind of did, but it was all very sitcommy and not very realistic.

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I want to shit all over Voyager.

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We love it.

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I know, we love it, and we love the actor saying it, all of that.

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But this is like Voyager done really, really well.

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This 2 part is a good example of what Voyager could have been if they'd had the nuts.

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And this is what DS9 was doing in the 90s.

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I just said earlier, so they could have done it.

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This is absolutely in the 1st episode of Voyager we did where I talked about missing potential.

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They didn't reach their potential.

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They could have done this and they didn't. and I'm really pleased they're sort of doing it now, kind of, because there's lots of Voyager references and they're sort of saying, look, we know you didn't get this right, but we love you and this is how it could have been, you know?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, we've already seen the beginning of series 2, which introduces even more...

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Voyager, including the doctor and the USS Voyager.

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I mean, I said in that one, didn't I?

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What a lovely episode of Forager.

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We just watched there, Chakotay, the doctor.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Jane White.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yep.

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Yep, okay, best Roberts.

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We should go in.

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We should go in.

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All right.

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I'm not kidding you.

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These animated series.

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Oh, my favourite of Kursman Trek. absolutely my favourite.

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I'm unapologetically saying that.

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So this episode of Untitled Star Trek Project will be released on the day or around about the time that the 1st episode of the last series of Lower Decks.

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Yeah.

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So that's exciting and heartbreaking at the same time.

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Yeah.

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Let's do it.

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Let's do it.

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I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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And we're off.

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Here we go.

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CBS and Nickelodeon, you don't see that very often at the start of a Star Trek episode.

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No, no.

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Oh gosh, let's just talk about those titles again. da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.

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I love it.

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It might be my favourite title sequence, you know, of the Kurtzman Treks as well.

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Just because it's so pretty.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I think Strange New Worlds is a pretty great title sequence and does the job of doing an original trek title sequence.

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Maybe sing again.

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All right.

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Yeah, it does the better version of the Voyager titles, I think.

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And having the ship fly past giant versions of the characters is great, too.

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Oh, wonderful.

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Wonderful.

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My eyes is just a feast.

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Yeah, it's beautiful.

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I wonder if there was any sort of, you know, is this going to work as a CGI series?

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Can they do Star Trek, you know, through this method?

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I can answer that question for you all.

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Yes, yes, they can.

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There should be more of it.

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I mean, it would be great.

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That's the thing that I really like, is that, you know, 90s had a very limited idea of what Star Trek could be.

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And this version of Star Trek says, no, it can be a CGI animated show for children or it can be a comedy cartoon for adults or, you know, whatever.

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And I'm really glad of that.

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That's so much more interesting.

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And it means we get this.

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And it's so just visually stunning.

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Beautiful.

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I know.

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It's like, it's what's so strangers, they sort of do like camera moves, don't they?

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And I'm like, yeah, there are no cameras involved.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So this scene is absolutely great.

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So we come in after last week's episode, which is called Mind Warp.

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Mind walk, whoops.

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It's called Mind of Walk, and it's Janeway and Dal Change Bodies.

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And so Dal has been on board the Dauntless, uh, in Janeway's body behaving oddly, which is why she's now in the brig.

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And, uh, and that's the only way they could communicate with each other.

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I have no clue why she was in prison, but I just figured she'd done something very bad indeed.

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Yeah, well, Dal actually admits Dal actually admits here, actually, yeah, here it is about that.

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I may have, you know, touched her reputation a bit. all think she's crazy now.

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Whoops, and she's our only alloy.

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But that's another stunningly exciting and visual episode.

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And remember that the construct is on board the protest album.

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Admiral Jellicoe.

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Is that Jellicoe?

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That's Angelico.

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I realised that.

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Yep, yep.

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We've got an Andorian there, look.

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I feel like his antennas could wiggle a bit more.

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So the Andorian is, of course, David, David Diggs, isn't it?

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And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he's the 2nd in command. been in it for quite a while.

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He's in Hamilton.

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I think we talked about it him before.

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The same person voicing Jellicoe, is it?

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Yes.

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Yeah, Ronnie Cox.

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No.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I love Kursman Shrek. they forget nothing That's right Oh, look, it's my favourite zero.

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Oh no, sorry.

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Murphs my favourite. 0 is my 2nd favourite.

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I like the 2 that they could never realise and the rock, but was it rock talk?

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The ones that they could never realise in live action.

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They're the ones I really love.

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It's like, what's his face, in Aricks, in TAS.

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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Although I do love, what's this fella's name, the purple guy?

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I always forget their names in this.

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He's got great.

224
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He's so good.

225
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Like, the way that he's grown, because remember he's kind of selfish and he decides that he's the captain and he takes the captain's quarters and he's a bit of a prick and he won't be told and stuff like that.

226
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And now he's loving and generous and brave and like he's learned all this stuff.

227
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I know. holy crap.

228
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Look at that battle scene.

229
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It's like watching sacrifice of angels again.

230
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Ships zooming in and out of each other.

231
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Yeah, yeah.

232
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Beams everywhere.

233
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The other thing that struck me is how incredibly beautiful this bridge is, like just better than any other Star Trek bridge, because it's in that big glass kind of shoe, you know, it's glass on every side.

234
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It's not the strip of glass that we get, you know, on the enterprise or discovery.

235
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They've been listening to untitled Star Trek project.

236
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You want reflective surfaces.

237
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It's all gonna be glass.

238
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So good.

239
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Oh, I love I love all these space battles.

240
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It's so love it.

241
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It's so much fun.

242
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I mean, come on.

243
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Surely this reminds you of 6 and 7 DS9.

244
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There's a really funny line here.

245
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Jankam calls that maneuver the slippery dipsy doodle.

246
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That's right.

247
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And he says, great work except for the name.

248
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That's a good one.

249
00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:36.179
I'll tell you a bit I loved here was where they don't tell him that he won't get into Starfield Academy because he's genetically engineered and they know it will affect his performance on the bridge.

250
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So she makes a decision to lie to him and then the payoff to that at the end is you think he's going to be the one person that doesn't get in and he does. and it's a lovely tale.

251
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It actually affects the way that he behaves because he then says, all right, my job is now to ensure that the rest of you get into Starfleet Academy.

252
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And so he's being completely selfless from that point on.

253
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Oh, Starfleet.

254
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Just the way you like it.

255
00:16:59.460 --> 00:17:00.960
It's just beautiful.

256
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Oh, here we go.

257
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Counterpoint.

258
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Oh, we've done this episode.

259
00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:14.759
So there is a little girl among the refugees in Counterpoint, and the Bernari have that stupid nose made up.

260
00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:16.920
It counterpoint.

261
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Of course they got the detail, right?

262
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Of course they did.

263
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But so she escapes, and the reason that the Federation is saved is because she helped those refugees to escape. 10 years ago, whatever, in the in the Delta Quadrant.

264
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I mean, I did wonder how likely that it would be that that person would then end up here in Starfleet.

265
00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:44.819
But you know what?

266
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Don't think about it.

267
00:17:46.380 --> 00:17:51.779
The point is, Jayway made a good call. and now she's being paid in kind.

268
00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:53.759
Yeah, it was wonderful, isn't it?

269
00:17:53.819 --> 00:17:57.299
Like the Federation is rescued because it's about kindness.

270
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And so this, yeah, so she tells him now, because she thinks that she might be going, To her death, if anything happens, I want you to hear this from me.

271
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She wants to be honest.

272
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Yeah.

273
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And then he kisses her.

274
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Oh, God.

275
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What was that?

276
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What are you doing?

277
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She said.

278
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Oh, sorry.

279
00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:23.700
I thought we was having a moment.

280
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That's so cute.

281
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We've all been there, Tom. all been there.

282
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It's adorable And then look, he's crushed.

283
00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:38.819
It's so... because remember we don't, he doesn't know what he is at the beginning.

284
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That's the big mystery.

285
00:18:40.019 --> 00:18:42.119
Look, he just deflates completely.

286
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And that's when he decides that he's now going to try and get them into Starfleet, which is just wonderful.

287
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The other thing that I like too, is that it's the same crisis at the beginning of the end.

288
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Like, this is the problem.

289
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They can't communicate because if they do, the ships will start destroying one another, and that starts happening quite soon.

290
00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:06.359
It is, yeah.

291
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It is literally doing the sacrifice of angel thing.

292
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It just cut then to the ships, a few blasts, a bit of visual action, and then straight back to a really heartfelt character moment.

293
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I love it.

294
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It takes some confidence, you know, to cut between those 2 things because most people would just do just the battle sequence and then do all the emotional stuff later.

295
00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:27.420
I love it though.

296
00:19:27.539 --> 00:19:30.119
So this is Jamel Jamil.

297
00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:31.559
That'd be silly.

298
00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:33.900
He literally just chopped the robot, chopped his head.

299
00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:35.579
What is that robot again?

300
00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:37.500
It's dreadnaught.

301
00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:38.819
It just a being scary robot.

302
00:19:38.940 --> 00:19:40.799
St straight out of Star Wars.

303
00:19:40.859 --> 00:19:41.640
That's what he's done.

304
00:19:41.700 --> 00:19:42.240
Yeah, yeah.

305
00:19:42.299 --> 00:19:51.779
So that woman, the trill woman, is, of course, a senseiahu, uh, was, uh, Jamil.

306
00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:52.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

307
00:19:52.500 --> 00:19:55.619
Fabulously evil voice she's got, hasn't she?

308
00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:56.160
She's wonderful.

309
00:19:56.220 --> 00:19:58.500
Awfully awfully British.

310
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Awful, hosh.

311
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Ridiculously polish.

312
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I will bring down the entire federation Oh, and so in these giant spaces on board the proto star.

313
00:20:08.819 --> 00:20:16.380
It's always shocking how small the proto star is compared to the other ships because just the interior spaces are so big.

314
00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:17.579
They're so generous.

315
00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:20.819
I know he reminds me of, and because I've been watching a lot of Star Wars.

316
00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:22.740
That robot reminds me of General Grievous.

317
00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:24.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

318
00:20:24.660 --> 00:20:26.099
The asthmatic robot.

319
00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:30.480
Yeah, all those deckadroid things, draw deckers, whatever they call, the ball ones.

320
00:20:30.539 --> 00:20:31.920
Do you know what?

321
00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:37.619
There's more visual excitement in this than in an entire series of 90s trek.

322
00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:38.400
Oh, yeah.

323
00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:39.599
I don't mean season.

324
00:20:39.660 --> 00:20:42.660
I mean, seven, 7 seasons.

325
00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:46.140
Look how stunning that looks.

326
00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:48.359
See, this reminds me of the end of Favour the Bold.

327
00:20:48.420 --> 00:20:50.220
All the spaceships there waiting to shoot.

328
00:20:50.339 --> 00:20:52.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

329
00:20:52.619 --> 00:21:01.680
But I love the trap of the ships coming in, because they send out a, what, oh, good, what am I trying to say?

330
00:21:01.740 --> 00:21:04.140
Yeah, there's some kind of a distress call that the ship's called.

331
00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:05.339
So more come.

332
00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:07.140
They'll be destroyed.

333
00:21:07.259 --> 00:21:12.839
So more will come and eventually, well, we're in the same position as we were in series 3 of discovery.

334
00:21:12.900 --> 00:21:14.220
All the ships will be gone.

335
00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:15.240
Yeah.

336
00:21:15.299 --> 00:21:23.700
I love, I love how Dreadnock disables everyone here in a way that's non-lethal and also kind of slightly funny.

337
00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:35.099
And so having Jankum fall to the ground because suddenly he's a lot heavier, and then having rock fall on top of him because she's kind of massive, is kind of cute, later on Murf gets stuck to the wall.

338
00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:36.900
Like all of that sort of stuff is really good.

339
00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:39.960
Have I just missed the bit where Murph does the karate?

340
00:21:40.019 --> 00:21:41.339
No.

341
00:21:41.339 --> 00:21:43.680
Oh my god, that's my favourite scene.

342
00:21:43.740 --> 00:21:44.819
Thank you.

343
00:21:44.819 --> 00:21:46.799
So cute.

344
00:21:46.859 --> 00:21:51.599
Stupid blob manages to steal every episode is here.

345
00:21:51.660 --> 00:21:53.460
So here he is, there he is.

346
00:21:53.579 --> 00:21:55.079
So he does...

347
00:21:58.019 --> 00:22:02.099
It's like Yoda at the end of at the end.

348
00:22:02.579 --> 00:22:06.660
I mean, just imagine a bogey versus General Grievous.

349
00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:07.799
That's basically what you're seeing.

350
00:22:07.859 --> 00:22:17.039
But this is also doing that trick that Star Wars does of cutting between a comedy battle and between a serious character battle.

351
00:22:17.099 --> 00:22:18.900
Look where he's about to show him his ass.

352
00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:24.779
No, he went...

353
00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:26.339
Oh, it's so funny.

354
00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:31.559
And because they've established the stakes, you can have fun.

355
00:22:31.619 --> 00:22:33.240
Yeah, you can do it.

356
00:22:33.299 --> 00:22:35.819
Because you know this is a very serious situation.

357
00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:43.680
So that shot from the exterior of the protostar, just seeing the scale of the bridge from inside it and the fights.

358
00:22:43.740 --> 00:22:50.640
Now we're doing that fabulous scene from the end of Discovery Series 3 with the 2 ladies with the ruin beating...

359
00:22:50.700 --> 00:22:53.339
And I love watching 2 women going at each other.

360
00:22:53.400 --> 00:23:08.279
So we'll see more of that at the beginning of series 2, of course, because uh, while um, uh, Gwen goes back to solem, so does Asencia, and so she's, you know, trying to persuade them again to avoid 1st contact.

361
00:23:08.339 --> 00:23:15.180
Do you know why I don't object to it here, but I did object to it in Discovery Series 3 the last episode?

362
00:23:15.299 --> 00:23:17.039
It's because this is half the length.

363
00:23:17.099 --> 00:23:18.240
This goes by so fast.

364
00:23:18.299 --> 00:23:20.640
You know, like there is a lot of action here.

365
00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:24.119
But I don't know, it doesn't scrimp on the character.

366
00:23:24.180 --> 00:23:25.740
It doesn't scrimp on the stakes.

367
00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:29.339
But it does, it's with such brevity.

368
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:30.900
Like, this is only 22 minutes long.

369
00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:39.539
I think that was harder because you were coming in on a big epic finale that was 3 episodes long and you had only seen the last episode.

370
00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:43.200
No, that fight. off for a start. about 15 minutes, though.

371
00:23:43.259 --> 00:23:45.779
Yeah, it might have seemed like that.

372
00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:49.259
Oh, we go.

373
00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:50.400
So here we go.

374
00:23:50.460 --> 00:23:51.539
This is where she wins.

375
00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:52.859
Don't answer the phone.

376
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:53.700
There it is.

377
00:23:54.180 --> 00:23:58.079
And so that's the construct now able to send the message.

378
00:23:58.140 --> 00:24:10.380
And the visual of just making all of the ships turn the same red as the construct and making them kind of blind and evil, you know, like you can't look out the windows, like, and they drift.

379
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:12.240
Look at how they just start drifting.

380
00:24:12.299 --> 00:24:15.960
There's like a short of all of the ships.

381
00:24:16.019 --> 00:24:18.359
It's got such scope to it.

382
00:24:18.420 --> 00:24:21.059
I mean, that's something I want to bring up with you, though, very quickly.

383
00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:22.259
Well, why is it?

384
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:29.519
noticed in Star Wars, and I've noticed it in Farscape, so you people are not exempt, and now in this, why are all the Brits, the evil people?

385
00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:33.539
Yeah, yeah, well, just history, I guess.

386
00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:38.099
I can't argue that.

387
00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:42.720
We were a little bit embarrassed by it if that counts, you know?

388
00:24:45.779 --> 00:24:49.619
Or just how, you know, inconsequential we are now.

389
00:24:50.099 --> 00:24:52.079
Yeah, that's right.

390
00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:52.799
That's right.

391
00:24:52.859 --> 00:24:55.200
Oh, this is so good, isn't it?

392
00:24:55.259 --> 00:24:57.240
It does look wrong, doesn't it?

393
00:24:57.299 --> 00:24:58.980
With all the those red lights on the ship.

394
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:00.539
There's the Defiant, by the way.

395
00:25:00.660 --> 00:25:01.559
I know.

396
00:25:01.619 --> 00:25:02.519
God, that made me hard.

397
00:25:02.579 --> 00:25:04.500
It's exciting, isn't it?

398
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:06.059
spaceships are blowing.

399
00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:07.380
I didn't see any rocks, though.

400
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:09.059
They should have done a couple of CGR riders.

401
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:09.779
I think they do that.

402
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:11.039
I don't think they do that.

403
00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:13.799
They've got the budget, that's why.

404
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:16.079
They don't need rocks.

405
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:21.059
Oh, that fire was so wonderful.

406
00:25:21.180 --> 00:25:25.079
I could have done without being 15 minutes long. out of it, doesn't she?

407
00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:36.720
So rock takes, um, Jenkins hand, freeze Murph, Murph, freeze, zero, freeze.

408
00:25:36.779 --> 00:25:37.619
You know what I mean?

409
00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:39.240
Yes, of course.

410
00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:40.380
They're a team.

411
00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:43.019
And it isn't twe, though.

412
00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:44.279
It's not we.

413
00:25:44.339 --> 00:25:45.059
It just works.

414
00:25:45.180 --> 00:25:46.799
It's really great.

415
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:48.599
Oh, Murf.

416
00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:51.599
And I love Let's try that again.

417
00:25:51.660 --> 00:25:52.859
That's a great line.

418
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.779
That's so good, isn't it?

419
00:25:56.940 --> 00:26:00.720
It just, it really does feel as well.

420
00:26:00.779 --> 00:26:06.359
Like, this is the greatest threat the federation I've ever faced, you know?

421
00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:07.980
It's wonderful.

422
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:09.240
It feels huge.

423
00:26:09.299 --> 00:26:10.740
It feels like a movie.

424
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:19.920
Well, we do have a similar kind of situation, I think, in uh, at the end of Star Trek Picard.

425
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:23.400
Seriously, remember?

426
00:26:23.460 --> 00:26:24.359
Yeah, yeah.

427
00:26:24.420 --> 00:26:26.759
I think there's a sort of similarity there too.

428
00:26:27.059 --> 00:26:28.619
That was just the Borg again though, wasn't it?

429
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:29.700
Yes, that's true.

430
00:26:29.819 --> 00:26:30.480
That is true.

431
00:26:30.539 --> 00:26:33.480
They didn't have to, they weren't desperate in prodigy.

432
00:26:33.539 --> 00:26:35.700
They had their own their own fabulous.

433
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:36.299
Yes, it was.

434
00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:37.619
But remember, it was the Borg.

435
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:52.619
It was the Starfleet, the entire armada under the control of sort of the Borg and the Changelings, who had, you know, together at last, and they were going to destroy themselves.

436
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.099
Oh, there was a lot.

437
00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:58.319
Just take the shot there of rocktock holding Murph.

438
00:26:58.380 --> 00:27:01.079
I mean, happen you not love these characters?

439
00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:03.119
Yeah, it's wonderful, isn't it?

440
00:27:03.299 --> 00:27:05.400
I am really sad though.

441
00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:07.259
I am sad because we're not hearing the music.

442
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:08.339
Listen to it this time.

443
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:10.920
And it is such a huge strength of this show.

444
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.500
Look at that. beautiful.

445
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:14.579
Where's he off to?

446
00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:16.200
He's dead.

447
00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:20.160
Apparently they put them to the Velna got caught when they're dead, I suppose.

448
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:20.640
I don't know.

449
00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:21.779
Oh, geez.

450
00:27:21.779 --> 00:27:22.559
You know we back?

451
00:27:22.619 --> 00:27:24.720
It costs a lot of money to burn somebody, you know, that.

452
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:26.940
Economic.

453
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:35.460
He's back at the beginning of next year because of course they go back, they go into the past.

454
00:27:35.579 --> 00:27:39.240
Oh no, because he's already, he's he's in the present.

455
00:27:39.299 --> 00:27:43.559
Remember, he's old, but he's come back in time in order to be here.

456
00:27:43.619 --> 00:27:46.980
And so there's a version of him on Solom, who's younger.

457
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:51.480
I'm going to use this as my evidence now because you've got the brain size of a planet.

458
00:27:51.539 --> 00:27:56.940
And even if you keep track of it, trying to keep track of all of this. there's complicated stuff going on.

459
00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:03.839
But it is complicated and I didn't understand everything, but just scene to scene, I was enjoying everything.

460
00:28:03.900 --> 00:28:06.000
And that's an important difference.

461
00:28:06.059 --> 00:28:07.259
That's it.

462
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:13.619
You know what people want, and you know, in a given scene, and that's the important thing.

463
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:16.859
You know what each scene is doing and it doesn't matter.

464
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:28.140
You know, the fact that they drop us in to a situation where, you know, a bunch of stuff that happened last episode is still relevant, where the stuff that happened 10 episodes ago with a construct.

465
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:34.799
You know, we saw the construct in action and it destroyed a federation outpost, so we know what's happening.

466
00:28:34.859 --> 00:28:37.259
You know, they've been avoiding the Federation for 10 episodes.

467
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:38.279
All of that stuff.

468
00:28:38.339 --> 00:28:41.700
We don't need to have seen it because we know how everyone feels and what's going on.

469
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:48.900
But how light cars when tracked to hang kids something this clever, this emotionally honest, this ambitious.

470
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:52.200
You know, kids deserve TV discs.

471
00:28:52.259 --> 00:28:53.220
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

472
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.019
Kids aren't watching telly anymore.

473
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:58.440
It's because they're usually given a diet of absolute bloody bilge.

474
00:28:58.559 --> 00:28:59.519
Yeah.

475
00:28:59.579 --> 00:29:18.960
So again, what's happening here too is a hark back to Tas Lamora where they 1st appeared, the planet where they're from, where the great diviner didn't let them have universal translators so that they couldn't communicate and couldn't work together.

476
00:29:19.019 --> 00:29:23.700
And so everyone's scared of rock because they don't realise that she's a scared little girl.

477
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.519
Tossed Lemora.

478
00:29:26.579 --> 00:29:27.779
It's still Star Trek then.

479
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:30.539
Is there an apostrophe in there somewhere?

480
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.019
I think between the L and the M. Yes.

481
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.180
Yeah, no, no apostrophe in that.

482
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:41.519
But the van can't have an apostrophe, so you'll be pleased to...

483
00:29:41.579 --> 00:29:45.420
And the fact that she could speak all the languages was established.

484
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:46.920
We're leading up to this cliffhanger now.

485
00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:58.019
What I loved about it was it was a moment of jeopardy, but it was building to a moment of jeopardy that's going to go on and on until the Federation is gone.

486
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.859
So it's not that exact moment where it's like, 0 my god, how are they going to get out of this?

487
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:03.900
It's anything that's going to happen.

488
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:04.920
That's a great cliffhanger.

489
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:06.299
It builds up.

490
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:08.039
I mean this is exciting now already.

491
00:30:08.099 --> 00:30:09.720
There's huge jeopardy.

492
00:30:09.779 --> 00:30:12.539
And this speech is so good.

493
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:13.799
It's so good.

494
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:15.900
But the focal performance of the Klingon.

495
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:19.920
She's like, I've got to do the real sort of snarling Klingon voice.

496
00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:20.519
I?

497
00:30:21.180 --> 00:30:25.140
But it is still better than Roxanne Dawson in faces.

498
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.000
Let's let's say that.

499
00:30:27.059 --> 00:30:30.299
What are you talking about?

500
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:34.319
Yeah, terrible.

501
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:35.940
And you know what?

502
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:40.200
I did love the beer where the Klingon ship came in and save Janeway.

503
00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:45.180
I did love that, but you know, for me, nothing will ever top that moment in a sacrifice of angels.

504
00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:54.000
Where you cut to Jadzia as the Klingon ships coming in as wharf and her blue eyes are like, oh, yeah, he's the same.

505
00:30:54.059 --> 00:30:57.000
It's the same sort of thing, but it's great.

506
00:30:57.059 --> 00:31:03.240
It's really good to watching Janeway hear that speech that she's given.

507
00:31:03.299 --> 00:31:17.819
And she'll say later on in the trial, that a year ago they'd never even heard of the Federation, and now she knows what it is, and she's saying, you know, it's about belonging and how different you are, and it doesn't matter how different you are.

508
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:18.660
You still belong.

509
00:31:18.660 --> 00:31:21.960
And it's, oh, look at rock holding Murph.

510
00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:23.039
It's so beautiful, isn't it?

511
00:31:23.099 --> 00:31:25.019
Um, Yeah.

512
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:26.400
Yeah, I just think it's really good.

513
00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:27.119
It's probably good.

514
00:31:27.180 --> 00:31:33.180
Yeah, but this doesn't feel overly sentimental in the way that Quality of Life did for me.

515
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:33.779
You know?

516
00:31:33.779 --> 00:31:34.799
I don't know.

517
00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:37.019
I think they just gauge it perfectly.

518
00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:41.759
Because, look, there's still a load of spaceships blowing up.

519
00:31:41.819 --> 00:31:43.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

520
00:31:43.259 --> 00:31:45.420
It looks so different.

521
00:31:45.420 --> 00:31:45.960
Look at it.

522
00:31:46.019 --> 00:31:48.480
That one sexy ship.

523
00:31:48.539 --> 00:31:52.920
Yeah, yeah. if I could date a spaceship, it would definitely be the defiant, you know.

524
00:31:53.220 --> 00:31:55.619
What the hell is that man?

525
00:31:55.619 --> 00:31:56.339
at the end of there.

526
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:57.839
What is he?

527
00:31:57.900 --> 00:31:59.759
With the bones in his head.

528
00:31:59.819 --> 00:32:00.839
It's a Tellerite.

529
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:02.460
Ah okay.

530
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:07.859
There's a Tellerite judge too at the hearing, but he's a Tellerite, but that's Jason Alexander from...

531
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:08.880
We go, the Klingon.

532
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:09.660
Save the day.

533
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:10.440
Wonderful.

534
00:32:11.700 --> 00:32:14.640
You should have seen me washing this downstairs.

535
00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:15.900
I was crying, whooping.

536
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:17.579
I was having the best time.

537
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.799
I just couldn't get enough.

538
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:27.059
The shields look like these days. not getting enough of all those spaceships following on each other.

539
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:28.200
So good.

540
00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:29.039
So great.

541
00:32:30.299 --> 00:32:34.319
So is this now how, oh, look at all the ships too.

542
00:32:34.380 --> 00:32:37.380
We get introduced, we get to introduce the children watching.

543
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:38.759
There's some Vulcan ships there.

544
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:41.700
There's a born ship.

545
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:43.259
Ferengi ship.

546
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:44.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

547
00:32:44.099 --> 00:32:44.579
That's right.

548
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:46.200
What the hell was that one?

549
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:48.660
That was sort of a long bit with a ring around it.

550
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:50.160
Real Vulcan ships.

551
00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:51.299
So what Vulcan ships look like.

552
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:52.259
I knew you would know.

553
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:53.099
I knew it.

554
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:56.940
You didn't study that book of spaceships for nothing.

555
00:32:58.619 --> 00:33:00.599
We survived, yeah.

556
00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:03.119
It's like it's like a moment of my God.

557
00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:04.380
Then another ship arrives.

558
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:09.240
The USS sovereign just arrived, like just appeared suddenly, and there we go.

559
00:33:10.140 --> 00:33:12.119
It's another thing.

560
00:33:12.180 --> 00:33:16.380
It's another thing that the DSI did well at that moment of triumph.

561
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:18.420
Yes, you know, we're out of this now.

562
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:25.799
Like when they destroyed that catch so white facility and it's like, 0 shit, we've got no propulsion engines, it's going to take us 3 months to get home.

563
00:33:25.859 --> 00:33:28.019
You know, like, I love that, though.

564
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:32.220
It's like really playing with your emotions because I thought, well, there's another episode.

565
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.339
How the hell, what's danger going to be in?

566
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:36.299
Yeah, in the last episode.

567
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:36.839
Yeah.

568
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:45.000
And it was just so well explained because, you know, you can handle a lot of technobabble.

569
00:33:45.059 --> 00:33:48.359
I need things explained to me on a more functional level.

570
00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:51.720
And the way they explain the danger that's coming.

571
00:33:51.779 --> 00:33:52.500
Yeah.

572
00:33:52.500 --> 00:33:54.960
It satisfies both of us.

573
00:33:55.019 --> 00:33:57.059
Dal helps, doesn't he?

574
00:33:57.180 --> 00:34:00.059
He says, I know the universal translators are working again, but what?

575
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:01.920
You know, like what's happening?

576
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:07.200
The flame tearing through the ships as they're being destroyed.

577
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.980
Like, this feels apocalyptic. love it.

578
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.199
Yeah, it's really good, isn't it?

579
00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:19.739
There's another sheep arriving in the background of that shot and another one. and they just arrive and turn red and start being shot.

580
00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:20.400
It's incredible.

581
00:34:20.460 --> 00:34:21.900
Like, there was a time.

582
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:34.679
There was a time when, do you remember in Star Trek 6 where you finally got to see like proper action inside, you know, and the Klingon shit being blown up from the inside and the Klingon flying down and that to us was like massively cinematic.

583
00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:37.079
Now they're doing it here on prodigy.

584
00:34:37.139 --> 00:34:37.559
Yeah, yeah.

585
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:39.239
It just looked like a power away scene.

586
00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:40.860
It's crazy.

587
00:34:41.099 --> 00:34:45.179
Oh my god, that is such a brilliant episode.

588
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:50.579
Like one of one of my favourite surprises that we've done in Untitled Star Trek Project so far.

589
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.079
How good this is.

590
00:34:52.139 --> 00:34:52.739
Yeah.

591
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:57.119
It doesn't have to be this good, I don't think.

592
00:34:57.179 --> 00:34:58.320
Yeah.

593
00:34:58.380 --> 00:34:59.519
It's a great shame.

594
00:34:59.579 --> 00:34:59.880
Look at.

595
00:34:59.940 --> 00:35:03.420
I mean, we don't know if it comes back after series two.

596
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:05.219
I still haven't watched the end of it.

597
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.079
I still don't know how series 2 ends.

598
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.960
I think 40 episodes is a fair run, though, you know.

599
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:13.980
It is a fair run, and it does end in a good way.

600
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:26.099
And you can see like next week's episode, the one we're about to watch Supernova part 2 is very clearly designed to possibly be the last episode ever.

601
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:26.699
Yeah.

602
00:35:26.699 --> 00:35:27.059
Yeah.

603
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:29.460
And it does a very good job.

604
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:35.099
As you said before, of doing what Voyager failed to do.

605
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:42.179
And, and you know, people say, oh, it would have been great if we'd had 5 episodes or something back on Earth.

606
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:43.079
And that's ridiculous.

607
00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:46.619
That's not what we're tuning in for and that's not what should happen.

608
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:47.940
Excuse me.

609
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:49.079
I said that.

610
00:35:49.139 --> 00:35:50.760
Yeah, yeah absurd.

611
00:35:50.820 --> 00:36:02.940
And so, um, but what this does is it solves the problem in about 10 minutes around about halfway through and it has more than 10 minutes to wrap things up.

612
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:11.820
And the thing it does, the trick it does is just as Endgame can only be saved by having a spare Janeway.

613
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.099
This has a spare Janeway as well.

614
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:17.460
So we can afford to lose hologram Janeway here.

615
00:36:17.579 --> 00:36:21.300
Even though she's a different character from Janeway, we'll still have Kate.

616
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:29.820
We'll still have Janeway for the 2nd season, but it makes us care about hologram Janeway, because I think that scene is incredibly moving.

617
00:36:29.820 --> 00:36:31.860
It's gorgeous.

618
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:40.019
It's really good and it's because often rises will kind of go, oh, can we just not do that scene?

619
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:42.840
Can we not do the scene where someone discovers someone's dead?

620
00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:45.539
That's really hard and it's kind of heartbreaking.

621
00:36:45.659 --> 00:36:47.280
And this is a kid show.

622
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:51.900
And like a character who's been with them for 20 episodes dies.

623
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:56.400
And, you know, the kids at home know that Janeway is still in it and she's fine.

624
00:36:56.460 --> 00:37:00.900
But the kids cry and they realise that it's happening.

625
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:02.039
Do you know what I mean?

626
00:37:02.099 --> 00:37:04.500
They sort of learn that it's happening during the course of the conversation.

627
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:06.719
They're not immediately short.

628
00:37:06.780 --> 00:37:07.860
Can we see them discover?

629
00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:09.780
The best kids shows.

630
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.179
Press gang, Sarah Jane Adventures, this.

631
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:17.280
They go to these places because kids feel things like adults, you know?

632
00:37:17.340 --> 00:37:19.739
And we should not be showing that on TV.

633
00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:22.199
No, I think it was.

634
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:38.940
There's a massive difference for me, though, between how, because you know, I wasn't happy with Endgame on pretty much any level, apart from perhaps visually, occasionally, with how Janeway is handled there and here, here, you've had Janeway in it for most of the season. this hologram Jayway.

635
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:42.900
And what's important is what she means to these characters.

636
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.659
She's the one that teaches them.

637
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.579
She's the one that brings them all together.

638
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:49.500
She is like their mentor.

639
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.960
In Endgame, you just had older Janeway going back.

640
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:53.579
And she meant nothing to nobody.

641
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:58.980
But you know, it was basically her story, but we've not been following her story for 7 years.

642
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:03.420
It was all very odd in a way that Voyager very often was.

643
00:38:03.539 --> 00:38:08.340
So again, I think they're taking the inspiration, but they're getting it right.

644
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:09.780
Yeah, yeah.

645
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:15.480
Well, I mean, because Endgame starts with that fake future that isn't going to end up happening.

646
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:24.300
And that's something that we already did in all good things, so we didn't need to see it again.

647
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.320
And it's not as good as what we saw in all good things.

648
00:38:28.380 --> 00:38:29.579
To be fair.

649
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:31.199
We did it in timeless as well.

650
00:38:31.260 --> 00:38:33.179
So like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

651
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:34.139
We'd already been there.

652
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:34.679
That's right.

653
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:40.019
And so you kind of think, well, maybe we have a 2 parter.

654
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:41.340
We do what this does.

655
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:47.760
We escalate for the cliffhanger, because even though it was all shown as one episode in syndication.

656
00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:48.539
It's 2 parts.

657
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:54.059
We escalated the cliffhanger, just like this one did. 10 minutes in we resolve the cliffhanger.

658
00:38:54.119 --> 00:39:00.420
We arrive on earth, and then we get some sense of what their reception is like and what future faces them.

659
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:09.960
And I think that that works incredibly well here, you know, because they reach their goal, because they have a more specific goal.

660
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.900
It's not just get to earth that is getting to Starfleet.

661
00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:17.099
And so they reach that goal and then there's something ahead of them.

662
00:39:17.099 --> 00:39:28.260
And if the writers had had the wit to do that with the characters or let us get a sense of where they were going next, we wouldn't have been so disappointed by how that ended.

663
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:32.219
But do you remember what the Cliffhanger was between Endgame one and two?

664
00:39:32.340 --> 00:39:35.340
It was the 2 Janeways meeting, wasn't it?

665
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:43.199
No, it was just cut to Borgship and Susanna Thompson as the ball queen is revealed.

666
00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:45.900
And she goes, aha.

667
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:49.440
And she's watching the 2 Jane waves on the screen. cut to credits.

668
00:39:49.500 --> 00:39:51.420
Something else we've done before, you know?

669
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:59.400
Yeah, this episode, which is half the length of Endgame part one comes to an enormous climax.

670
00:39:59.460 --> 00:40:05.280
You know, where the whole of the Federation is a threat, you know, and a plausible threat of that.

671
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:10.619
I don't think you can really compare the 2 because when you start doing it.

672
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:13.860
Unfortunately, for which ends up in the dust.

673
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:15.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah. easy.

674
00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:17.400
Go with the kids show.

675
00:40:17.460 --> 00:40:18.420
Exactly.

676
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:19.800
Well, what do you think?

677
00:40:19.860 --> 00:40:20.400
Should we go in?

678
00:40:20.699 --> 00:40:26.579
Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

679
00:40:27.659 --> 00:40:34.739
We're doing the traditional, um, part one and part 2 as well from the old next generation days.

680
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:39.900
We're not doing the D Space 9 approach of 2 different titles between episode one and episode two.

681
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:40.800
Yeah.

682
00:40:40.860 --> 00:40:46.739
Although it is Roman, it is Arabic numerals, though, it's part one, part two.

683
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:48.360
It's not Roman numerals for change.

684
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:54.059
Um, not a very interesting observation, but it is a thing that I noticed.

685
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:56.940
Always get educated by you on this.

686
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:00.719
One way or another.

687
00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:05.699
Well, I think we do our bit about how great these titles are again, because they are incredibly great.

688
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:09.719
Look at those amorphous blobs that the ship's going around.

689
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:11.219
It's nice gray.

690
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:13.860
Yeah, the hands.

691
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:15.179
Ah, so gorgeous.

692
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:16.260
It's so good.

693
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:24.360
So it's the only thing, frankly, that could tear me away from your gorgeous face is looking at these tiles.

694
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:26.519
But I think looking at the whole show.

695
00:41:26.579 --> 00:41:28.559
I mean, the show looks so beautiful.

696
00:41:29.099 --> 00:41:31.619
I mean, they chose the right time, right?

697
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:37.440
10, 15 years earlier, it just wouldn't be as polished, so you couldn't have done it.

698
00:41:37.500 --> 00:41:38.519
Yeah, yeah.

699
00:41:38.579 --> 00:41:42.719
Or they would have had to have been less ambitious, and that would have been a shame.

700
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:47.039
Yeah, yeah, it just looks beautiful, doesn't it?

701
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:51.239
It reminds me of a sort of a fabulous javelin, you know?

702
00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:53.940
Yeah, or good looking sheep.

703
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.500
It is a great looking sheep.

704
00:41:55.559 --> 00:42:00.239
I think we miss it because I think it's a bit like the top of a, you know, like a fountain pen.

705
00:42:00.300 --> 00:42:01.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

706
00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:02.340
That sort of arrow.

707
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:03.659
Yeah, it's gorgeous.

708
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:08.579
It still has a kind of basic trowel shape that Voyager has, I think.

709
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:09.719
You see what they're doing?

710
00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:12.840
They open on this graveyard of spaceships.

711
00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:15.840
It's the it's the money shot from Best of Both Wells part two.

712
00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:16.320
Exactly.

713
00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:17.820
They're opening with it.

714
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:19.500
We throw it away.

715
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:30.480
We're still doing the, you know, we do the same speech, but it's reshot or it's from a different angle because we're going down onto the bridge and she's still doing the same dialogue.

716
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:32.579
And that second.

717
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.139
Dal comes up with the solution we have to destroy the protostar.

718
00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:39.960
And so we actually solved the problem.

719
00:42:40.019 --> 00:42:44.820
You know, we come up with the problem, the solution of the problem almost just immediately.

720
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:54.719
But the, and this is where they do the, the bravest thing you could possibly do in a show, that even DS9 wasn't brave enough to do this.

721
00:42:54.780 --> 00:42:57.239
They flirted with it when they kicked everyone off the station.

722
00:42:57.300 --> 00:43:01.860
But after 6 episodes, they brought them back and it was the status quo again.

723
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:06.719
They destroy the ship and fundamentally change what the show is.

724
00:43:06.780 --> 00:43:11.519
We're on earth now, and it's a completely different show in episode two. same characters.

725
00:43:11.579 --> 00:43:12.900
Different premise.

726
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:14.159
Yeah.

727
00:43:14.219 --> 00:43:29.219
And we do have a spare proto-star, remember, because we have the proto-star from the future before it gets destroyed, before Chakotay sends it off to be discovered at times.

728
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:31.619
It's like they don't have any power anymore.

729
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:32.760
They don't have their own ship.

730
00:43:32.820 --> 00:43:34.440
They're cadets in the academy.

731
00:43:34.500 --> 00:43:36.960
Oh, they feel utterly constrained.

732
00:43:37.019 --> 00:43:38.940
They're on a starship with Janeway.

733
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.280
They're just kids now, you know?

734
00:43:41.340 --> 00:43:43.019
They're not in charge anymore.

735
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:48.659
That's different It works really well for Dow, too, who has learned to be a generous and brave captain.

736
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:53.039
Look, he's offering to go down with the ship right now.

737
00:43:53.099 --> 00:43:55.199
Like he's saying, I'll go down with the ship.

738
00:43:55.260 --> 00:43:57.599
She'll help you get into Starfleet.

739
00:43:57.659 --> 00:43:58.800
She can't help me.

740
00:43:58.860 --> 00:44:00.360
That line reading's not quite right.

741
00:44:00.420 --> 00:44:01.619
She can't help me.

742
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:02.639
She'll let you do it.

743
00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:04.920
And so he's going to sacrifice himself, you know.

744
00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:07.860
And of course, it's Janeway.

745
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.559
Of course she would sacrifice herself.

746
00:44:10.619 --> 00:44:11.940
And you know what?

747
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.300
I was really listening to Kate Mulgrew's line readings now.

748
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.980
Like, her voice has changed because you listen to her in conventions and it is deeper.

749
00:44:20.099 --> 00:44:21.239
She takes it back.

750
00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:25.019
I think I think she captures her old Janeway voice really well.

751
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:26.880
I think she may have done a bit of work, you know?

752
00:44:27.659 --> 00:44:34.619
But shit, because this is said like 8 years, I think, after Voyager gets home or something like that.

753
00:44:34.739 --> 00:44:40.679
So it's she's a bit older, because this is sort of season one, Janeway, in a way, isn't it?

754
00:44:40.739 --> 00:44:42.179
Like Command Janeway.

755
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:44.159
He's got sort of season one hand.

756
00:44:44.219 --> 00:44:45.059
The bum.

757
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:45.360
Yeah.

758
00:44:50.579 --> 00:44:52.139
This looks so good.

759
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:54.300
It's gorgeous, isn't it?

760
00:44:54.780 --> 00:45:04.559
And yeah, the thing the thing this has over sacrifice angels, because they got the money to linger on these shots for a lot longer than they otherwise would have done in 90s trek.

761
00:45:04.619 --> 00:45:05.699
Yeah that's right.

762
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:16.559
And it's cheaper to make this stuff and easier to make this stuff than it was then, you know, like they can make this thing look stunning on much less money than it would have cost Deep Space Nine.

763
00:45:16.619 --> 00:45:19.800
And so now we just put the planning to action.

764
00:45:19.860 --> 00:45:22.860
This stuff must take ages to create.

765
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:27.000
Oh, no, no, I'm not saying they're knocking up. extraordinarily detailed and beautiful.

766
00:45:27.059 --> 00:45:29.340
They absolutely push it as far as they can.

767
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:34.139
I mean, I admire these people that put together animated shows.

768
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:36.719
The patience they must have for a single frame.

769
00:45:36.780 --> 00:45:38.400
Yeah, it's incredible.

770
00:45:38.460 --> 00:45:50.760
So this is the, the, um, the replicator that replicates the shuttles, um, which we did see very, very early on in series one.

771
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:52.980
We saw it in action.

772
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:54.300
So it's already established.

773
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:57.059
And so it looks...

774
00:45:57.119 --> 00:45:59.880
We've come in handy many a time, you know, in Nighty's trek.

775
00:45:59.940 --> 00:46:05.519
Yes, well, we could assume that they just had one, which is why they had so many...

776
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:08.400
Imagine that bit where...

777
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.539
So you just see 1000000s of runabouts spitting out on the replication.

778
00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:19.199
And of course, it looks like a 3D printer and no one in 90 Strike knew what that looked like and that's pretty cool too.

779
00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:22.500
So this, she's lying to him now.

780
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:25.679
In order to get them onto the ship.

781
00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:28.380
Don't know, do they, until it's all happened?

782
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:29.159
Yeah.

783
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:34.320
So it is a good boy, but it's not like a, a, a, forgive me.

784
00:46:34.380 --> 00:46:36.719
Discovery series 2 episode.

785
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:37.739
Yeah, yeah.

786
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:38.519
Goodbye.

787
00:46:38.579 --> 00:46:40.739
A gloopy, endless goodbye.

788
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:42.780
It's like a, I'll see you later.

789
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:45.300
Good luck, you know.

790
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:46.559
Which I like.

791
00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:48.719
Yeah, me too.

792
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:51.300
Go figure.

793
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:54.119
The TV aimed at kids is less gloopy.

794
00:46:54.300 --> 00:46:56.159
Yeah, that's right.

795
00:46:56.219 --> 00:47:03.059
I do love I love how Rock describes it because it's a proto-star in there doing the proto-star drive.

796
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:06.420
And so by freeing the proto star, creating a supernova.

797
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:13.440
That little star gets to be a star, and in a way, that's a metaphor for what's happening with the kids, isn't it?

798
00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:18.000
You know, they're kids on the ship and something bigger is about to happen.

799
00:47:18.059 --> 00:47:24.119
Look at this shot of, it's her point of view, seeing them for the last time and them seeing her for the last time.

800
00:47:24.179 --> 00:47:27.059
And look at Absolutely.

801
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:35.940
This absolutely kills that argument that people have about holograms in Star Trek, not being characters that we can care about.

802
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:37.559
Screw you people.

803
00:47:37.619 --> 00:47:38.820
This is very moving.

804
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:40.380
Well, that's right.

805
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:42.360
We had the doctor do that job as well.

806
00:47:42.420 --> 00:47:46.679
The doctor made it clear to us that holograms were people at this point.

807
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:49.019
I think that people just don't like Vic.

808
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.239
Yeah, so that might be an issue.

809
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:55.619
And they're trying to find out... where it just falls out the back of the ship.

810
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:58.019
Oh, the music.

811
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.199
The music during the scene was staggering.

812
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:02.639
And look at them all holding hands.

813
00:48:02.699 --> 00:48:14.280
They all hold hands and they all have weird alien hands, you know, that they're holding, like they're all holding each other's hands and then the last of them are those 2 who had that awkward moment last episode where he kissed her.

814
00:48:14.340 --> 00:48:16.739
And like they're all holding hands with one another.

815
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:18.360
It's so simple and so beautiful.

816
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:22.199
And they're all so different.

817
00:48:22.260 --> 00:48:24.059
You know, they're all so weird and different.

818
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:24.840
It's great.

819
00:48:24.900 --> 00:48:27.900
And he looks up and sees it disappear.

820
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:29.880
That's so great.

821
00:48:29.940 --> 00:48:34.260
Watching the ship from their point of view going out into before we lose it.

822
00:48:34.500 --> 00:48:37.199
You are right. such a gorgeous shit.

823
00:48:37.260 --> 00:48:37.800
What a shame.

824
00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:38.820
What a waste.

825
00:48:39.659 --> 00:48:42.360
There had to be a sacrifice, right?

826
00:48:42.420 --> 00:48:48.719
And there is a human, if you'll forgive the term, sacrifice, and there is a technological sacrifice as well.

827
00:48:48.780 --> 00:48:50.760
And they're both things we've come.

828
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:53.820
We've become very accustomed to, you know?

829
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:54.179
Yeah.

830
00:48:54.179 --> 00:48:55.019
Yeah.

831
00:48:55.079 --> 00:49:01.679
But it is also, yeah, I mean, it is beautiful. you have to lose something in order for these endings to mean something.

832
00:49:01.739 --> 00:49:02.340
Exactly.

833
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:04.559
Go fast.

834
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:08.099
No, if they killed one of the kids, I just never would have forgiven them.

835
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:08.880
They could never do that.

836
00:49:08.940 --> 00:49:10.199
They could never have done that.

837
00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:13.139
And we saw that, you know, where she goes.

838
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.360
Wow, look at that explosion.

839
00:49:15.659 --> 00:49:18.360
It's all sort of rainbow colours.

840
00:49:18.420 --> 00:49:20.340
It's like a gorgeous supernova.

841
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:28.440
Yeah, something that you would never have seen in a live action Star Trek, but something that's stunningly beautiful like that's what she becomes.

842
00:49:28.500 --> 00:49:33.119
They don't know that she's dead yet too. we're about to see that, aren't we?

843
00:49:33.300 --> 00:49:36.119
Oh, it was like...

844
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:37.980
The formation of a galaxy. gorgeous.

845
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:38.579
Yeah.

846
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:44.400
Back to the action. to the action.

847
00:49:44.460 --> 00:49:45.539
Back to the trailer.

848
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:48.900
Enough character back to the shoe here.

849
00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:53.760
I do love J.W. streak of gray in her head. you like that?

850
00:49:53.820 --> 00:49:54.900
Sorry?

851
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:57.239
A streak of gray in her hair.

852
00:49:57.300 --> 00:49:58.440
Yeah, yeah, it looks great.

853
00:49:58.440 --> 00:49:59.820
Just to denote the age a little bit.

854
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:01.559
Yeah, it's really good.

855
00:50:01.619 --> 00:50:04.500
And so now now they're back.

856
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:05.460
Do you know what I mean?

857
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:06.300
The problem is solved.

858
00:50:06.420 --> 00:50:08.639
That's it. 10 minutes in?

859
00:50:08.699 --> 00:50:09.179
Where are we?

860
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:13.320
Yeah, not quite 10 minutes in. a wonderful episode of problem.

861
00:50:13.380 --> 00:50:16.920
Star Trek prodigy that was Q credits and the end.

862
00:50:17.099 --> 00:50:19.619
What do you mean, we've still got 10 minutes left.

863
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:24.539
We've got over 10 minutes. like, you know, 12 minutes, more than half the episode.

864
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:26.340
Can I speak to the lawyers, please?

865
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:28.260
We don't do this sort of thing in Star Trek, okay?

866
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:29.639
This is where we end.

867
00:50:29.699 --> 00:50:31.079
That's right.

868
00:50:31.139 --> 00:50:33.179
And so now here's Janeway.

869
00:50:33.300 --> 00:50:34.199
Oh, my God.

870
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.019
And I just think the scene is beautiful because of the kids' reaction.

871
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:39.539
It's why is Janeway tiny.

872
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:41.340
And doesn't he poker?

873
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:43.019
Like it's...

874
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:43.559
He does.

875
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:53.219
But it really, it really justifies the relationship as well between the kids and the hologram.

876
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:54.780
Yeah, yeah.

877
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:58.679
But just remember that Down was really resistant to her as well.

878
00:50:59.460 --> 00:51:01.559
Oh, look at Murph.

879
00:51:01.619 --> 00:51:02.760
Murph's touching up.

880
00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:04.320
Yeah, Murph's touching it.

881
00:51:04.380 --> 00:51:04.980
That's so good.

882
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:06.480
I want a Murph toy so badly.

883
00:51:06.539 --> 00:51:08.219
Oh, he's so adorable.

884
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:11.340
Oh, look. you know what?

885
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:12.000
I love you.

886
00:51:12.059 --> 00:51:16.800
I said this to you, every time we've done one of these, that, uh, what the light in size zero.

887
00:51:16.860 --> 00:51:19.260
It's hypnotic, isn't it?

888
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:20.519
You can meditate to that.

889
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:21.539
Yeah.

890
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:23.880
Oh.

891
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:27.840
She stayed on the shit.

892
00:51:27.900 --> 00:51:28.440
Yeah.

893
00:51:29.099 --> 00:51:32.159
Oh my god, someone give that rock a hug.

894
00:51:32.219 --> 00:51:33.360
Oh, Murph did it.

895
00:51:33.420 --> 00:51:34.199
Oh, yeah, look.

896
00:51:34.260 --> 00:51:37.980
Oh, oh, no, Murf is stroking her face.

897
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:41.760
That's just, and look, and Jankum.

898
00:51:41.820 --> 00:51:43.679
Jenkins.

899
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:44.579
I'm understated, though.

900
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:45.420
It isn't too much.

901
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:46.739
It is...

902
00:51:46.739 --> 00:51:49.440
No, it isn't too much. stricken, aren't they?

903
00:51:49.500 --> 00:51:51.480
Like there's...

904
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:53.159
And that's really good.

905
00:51:53.219 --> 00:51:59.280
Like having them actually tell us in dialogue that they've worked out what's happened to her.

906
00:51:59.340 --> 00:52:05.519
Um, And just seeing their reactions, just seeing how strict and they all are.

907
00:52:05.579 --> 00:52:07.380
I love a beautiful speech.

908
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:08.579
You think you need me.

909
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:10.559
I think you grow.

910
00:52:10.619 --> 00:52:13.860
I know you're capable of doing this off you go.

911
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:17.340
Yeah, no, go boldly.

912
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.820
And then she goes, oh, it's lovely.

913
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.099
It's really, see, I can like this stuff.

914
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:24.480
Yeah I love that.

915
00:52:24.539 --> 00:52:25.860
I just think that's really sweet.

916
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.019
And I think go boldly is perfect.

917
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.380
Like absolutely the perfect thing for her to say to them.

918
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:33.659
Whoa, it's very Star Trek.

919
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:35.099
Yeah, of course.

920
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:35.880
It's wonderful.

921
00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:36.780
That's exactly why.

922
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:37.860
Look at that.

923
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:38.760
Fabulous.

924
00:52:38.820 --> 00:52:39.719
Beautiful Sean.

925
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:45.420
Oh, and earth has never looked more beautiful. than in these last days.

926
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:46.079
Yeah, yeah.

927
00:52:46.139 --> 00:52:47.760
So we're in San Francisco.

928
00:52:47.820 --> 00:52:53.400
We're not having to go to that hideous water reclamation plant to show the academy.

929
00:52:53.460 --> 00:52:54.300
That's right.

930
00:52:54.480 --> 00:53:02.940
They get when they go up the stairs, it's a wonderful moment and it's a huge building towering over them. like, this is what we wanted to see all along.

931
00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:04.079
Yeah exactly.

932
00:53:05.340 --> 00:53:07.260
Time for a trial?

933
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:12.599
Well, no, 1st we've got this scene where we're setting up what's going to happen in series two.

934
00:53:12.659 --> 00:53:15.719
So we get the message from Chakotay in the future.

935
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:18.059
So...

936
00:53:19.019 --> 00:53:21.840
And obviously he'll be back.

937
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:30.300
Yeah, so we got the message from Chakotay. and we get the idea that we're gonna go and rescue him in the future.

938
00:53:30.780 --> 00:53:35.280
Maybe, you know, in this series, at the end of series two.

939
00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:37.739
Maybe Jane Wench, Kotay, can actually get it on.

940
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:39.119
If they do that as well.

941
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:40.739
If they do that as well.

942
00:53:41.099 --> 00:53:44.699
They are finally rectifying all of Voyager's mistakes.

943
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:46.260
Yeah, yeah.

944
00:53:46.860 --> 00:53:54.239
Ah I mean, you know, the facing the consequences at the end of the big epic.

945
00:53:54.300 --> 00:53:56.519
I mean, what was the Star Trek film that did that?

946
00:53:56.579 --> 00:53:57.059
Was it three?

947
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:58.860
when they destroyed the Enterprise into four?

948
00:53:58.920 --> 00:53:59.699
No.

949
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:00.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

950
00:54:00.780 --> 00:54:03.300
Was it forward to faster down to captain?

951
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:04.559
Yeah.

952
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:05.940
It's very like that though, isn't it?

953
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:06.840
It's like, okay.

954
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:17.219
But these two, hologram Janeway creates the rift in order to rescue Chakotay for real Janeway's benefit.

955
00:54:17.940 --> 00:54:19.980
Which I think is good.

956
00:54:20.699 --> 00:54:23.099
Could have been any other character.

957
00:54:23.820 --> 00:54:29.039
Yeah, but you know, we'll get the doctor in person and then we'll get the medium of it.

958
00:54:29.099 --> 00:54:32.099
I mean, at least she's not trying to... starship.

959
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:33.840
We've got to go and save the doctor.

960
00:54:33.900 --> 00:54:35.639
I would have been all over it, yeah?

961
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:41.039
Oh, look, it just says on the subtitles, Hopeful Music.

962
00:54:41.099 --> 00:54:42.179
Yeah.

963
00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:45.300
Oh here we go.

964
00:54:46.139 --> 00:54:48.420
This is Voyager Return.

965
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:50.400
I can see you returning him, which?

966
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:51.659
No, it's not.

967
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:52.739
It's a load of runabout.

968
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:54.539
Oh, look how gorgeous the runabouts look.

969
00:54:54.599 --> 00:55:03.780
But I'm also getting a sort of end of Star Trek 4 vibe as well, you know, where they're on the shuttle in the in San Francisco Bay.

970
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:07.500
Oh, I love that so much.

971
00:55:08.579 --> 00:55:09.960
Yeah.

972
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:18.840
Look at them smiling as their list of crimes is being read out because these are all the fun adventures they had.

973
00:55:18.900 --> 00:55:20.760
Well, she goes, you've done.

974
00:55:20.820 --> 00:55:23.639
This, this, this, this, and this, all in the effort to warn us.

975
00:55:23.699 --> 00:55:25.739
I then look straight at the judge.

976
00:55:26.820 --> 00:55:28.440
Oh, man.

977
00:55:28.500 --> 00:55:30.480
I really love Janeway.

978
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:33.179
Yeah.

979
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:36.059
It was a great call. putting her in this show.

980
00:55:36.179 --> 00:55:38.340
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

981
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:42.179
Well, if you can get it, you know, and it was that thing where she read the script, wasn't it?

982
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:44.820
She said, no, I'm not doing any more Star Trek.

983
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:46.260
No, she had the reaction that we all did.

984
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:47.099
Oh, kids show.

985
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:48.539
Star Trek kids show.

986
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:52.500
I never read the script and went, get my Asian on the phone. do it.

987
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.000
Yeah, this is really terrific, isn't it?

988
00:55:54.059 --> 00:55:55.920
And it's just the perplexity of it.

989
00:55:55.980 --> 00:55:57.480
Get my agent on the phone.

990
00:55:57.539 --> 00:56:04.559
I'll do it Is there more exploration of zero in series two?

991
00:56:04.619 --> 00:56:05.880
No, I don't know.

992
00:56:05.940 --> 00:56:08.460
Like I said, I haven't gone that far. haven't gone that far ahead.

993
00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:11.519
I need to actually sit down and watch the rest of it.

994
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:13.920
We're gonna have to wait a bit.

995
00:56:13.980 --> 00:56:16.260
Before we randomise it again. absolutely.

996
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:18.300
There we go.

997
00:56:18.780 --> 00:56:20.760
What they're talking about now?

998
00:56:20.820 --> 00:56:47.820
So they're talking about the protest star and doing that, which I didn't realise they explicitly do that metaphor that I thought it was, where, you know, the protest star is a ship with a star, a baby star in it, and they send it off, and look who, you know, this is the, um, here are the, uh, new life forms that we were searching for, and they've come back and founders, um, which actually great.

999
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:48.900
That line there.

1000
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:53.099
She goes, interviews don't hold a candle to what these kids have been through.

1001
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:53.760
Yeah.

1002
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:55.019
What a great line.

1003
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:55.679
I do too.

1004
00:56:55.739 --> 00:56:56.880
Like the stuff.

1005
00:56:56.940 --> 00:56:58.199
I'd love this line.

1006
00:56:58.260 --> 00:56:59.280
I love this.

1007
00:56:59.340 --> 00:57:01.260
Was he enhanced in everyone?

1008
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:02.400
Look at him, of course.

1009
00:57:04.980 --> 00:57:08.340
But his heart is bigger than anyone in this room.

1010
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:09.840
Anyone in this room?

1011
00:57:09.900 --> 00:57:11.699
And the great thing is that we saw that.

1012
00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:17.699
Like, we actually saw that development of those 20 episodes, that he does get better.

1013
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:24.900
And in the final episode, in last week's episode, he was going to, well, this week he was going to go down with the ship.

1014
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:26.460
He was going to go down with the ship.

1015
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:29.340
I've got to say, I'm sure that they could get into Starfleet.

1016
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:33.480
I know you said that is one of those moments that you feared that I wouldn't like, yeah.

1017
00:57:33.539 --> 00:57:38.519
But see, that, to me, is the antithesis of the, we're Starfleet.

1018
00:57:38.579 --> 00:57:42.119
We're Starfleet moment from Discovery, which I really hated.

1019
00:57:42.179 --> 00:57:44.280
I just think it's so well judged here.

1020
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:50.039
It doesn't ever tip over to it being too self-congratulatory.

1021
00:57:50.340 --> 00:58:07.139
Yeah, I think, I think, I think it is, like, I certainly think Gwen's speech, you know, and maybe because it comes from the outside, and because her view of the Federation is somewhere where even sort of strange aliens like them, with all their complex backgrounds can belong.

1022
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:08.400
Do you know what I mean?

1023
00:58:08.460 --> 00:58:13.500
And that's a lovely take on it that you don't get from inside, maybe.

1024
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:20.400
Do you know what I've just realised as well, another reason why I might love this show in the same sort of way that I do with DS9?

1025
00:58:20.460 --> 00:58:22.800
It's a lot of non Starfleet characters.

1026
00:58:22.860 --> 00:58:25.739
Yeah, yeah. much like DS9, you know?

1027
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:26.460
Yeah.

1028
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:30.239
Yeah, it's an outsider's viewer, but it's not a cynical outside as you.

1029
00:58:30.300 --> 00:58:31.739
No, it's so interesting.

1030
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:32.280
Yeah.

1031
00:58:32.579 --> 00:58:34.980
It wasn't always cynical.

1032
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:36.900
I'm going to show you some episodes, right?

1033
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:42.420
Kira goes at one point, he made me a believer, you know.

1034
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:49.139
Actually, I wouldn't mind a pulk toy as well, you know.

1035
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:50.519
Very cute.

1036
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:52.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1037
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:55.199
In fact, you have all the regular splitting for Christmas.

1038
00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:58.980
But prioritise Murf, please.

1039
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:00.179
Murph, obviously.

1040
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:00.840
Yeah.

1041
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:03.539
Pre-Christal Murph and...

1042
00:59:03.539 --> 00:59:04.679
This is so sad, isn't it?

1043
00:59:04.739 --> 00:59:05.639
she's going home.

1044
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:09.599
It's cute when they pick it up next episode.

1045
00:59:09.659 --> 00:59:14.760
Remember where he's on his iPad chatting to her and she's heading to Solem.

1046
00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:17.219
And of course, they're pretty soon.

1047
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:21.780
I just remember those scenes Those scenes on the planet and not having a clue what was going on in any room.

1048
00:59:22.019 --> 00:59:25.320
This kid show keeps tying me in knots, you know.

1049
00:59:25.380 --> 00:59:27.000
That beautiful planet.

1050
00:59:27.059 --> 00:59:28.619
It was gorgeous yeah.

1051
00:59:28.739 --> 00:59:30.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1052
00:59:30.179 --> 00:59:36.719
I just, I love, it's kind of an obvious thing to do, but I love the one of you didn't make it.

1053
00:59:36.780 --> 00:59:43.139
And obviously you all think it's, it's Dal, and he thinks it's him too, which is really good.

1054
00:59:43.500 --> 00:59:45.719
So we've had sacrifice.

1055
00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:46.739
There's a surprise there.

1056
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:49.019
They're all going off into a hopeful new future.

1057
00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:50.519
She's going home.

1058
00:59:50.579 --> 00:59:53.400
In fact, it's a bit like what you leave behind, right?

1059
00:59:53.460 --> 00:59:55.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1060
00:59:55.139 --> 00:59:55.559
Yeah.

1061
00:59:55.619 --> 01:00:00.119
Well, again, well, that gets it right, because it sends them all off in a different direction and talks about the future.

1062
01:00:00.179 --> 01:00:09.300
And this too, where she's getting, you know, some science to study, um, uh, we get, she looks great in a uniform.

1063
01:00:09.420 --> 01:00:11.159
She does look really good, doesn't she?

1064
01:00:12.539 --> 01:00:14.159
coming out, please.

1065
01:00:15.539 --> 01:00:17.820
That is such a great design.

1066
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:20.039
Mind you, that's a brilliant vocal performance.

1067
01:00:20.099 --> 01:00:21.900
Oh yeah, she's really good.

1068
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:23.760
And just getting a little girl to play.

1069
01:00:23.820 --> 01:00:29.340
Her is just tremendous rather than a, you know, like an adult doing a kid's voice.

1070
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:31.139
And Paul as well.

1071
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:32.159
The comedy.

1072
01:00:32.219 --> 01:00:33.119
He does it. so good.

1073
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:35.039
He's so great.

1074
01:00:35.099 --> 01:00:40.619
And it look at 0 in his new master.

1075
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:41.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1076
01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:42.300
Look at that.

1077
01:00:42.420 --> 01:00:43.320
Does he look great?

1078
01:00:43.380 --> 01:00:46.320
And he said, stalking that outfit.

1079
01:00:46.380 --> 01:00:48.780
Look at that scanner screamer.

1080
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:51.420
It's like a constellation of stars.

1081
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:54.599
This is so nice, isn't it?

1082
01:00:54.659 --> 01:00:57.059
And this is calling back to their very 1st conversation.

1083
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:05.880
That thing about cat boots instead of cahoots is a joke from not a great joke, but it's a joke from the 1st episode.

1084
01:01:05.940 --> 01:01:09.239
Do you remember how many jokes we've endured from Voyager?

1085
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:10.380
is a good joke, right?

1086
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:11.219
Yeah, yeah.

1087
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:19.079
But, um, you know, we're, we're hiking back to the beginning and just seeing how they've changed and grown.

1088
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:22.199
And, like, this is very sweet.

1089
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:23.460
It is very sweet.

1090
01:01:23.579 --> 01:01:27.539
There is more carrot to growth in these regulars.

1091
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:31.320
I'm telling you now that in 7 seasons of most trade shows.

1092
01:01:31.380 --> 01:01:31.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1093
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:33.119
Look at that.

1094
01:01:33.179 --> 01:01:33.960
From where they started.

1095
01:01:34.019 --> 01:01:36.119
She just said there, I know where my home is now.

1096
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:38.579
She didn't know where she was from. the start of the series.

1097
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:39.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1098
01:01:39.780 --> 01:01:44.280
Yeah, well, neither of them knew who they were, you know, and this, look at them together.

1099
01:01:44.340 --> 01:01:44.880
That's so cute.

1100
01:01:44.940 --> 01:01:49.559
We have that, we paid back that kiss from the previous episode.

1101
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.619
I'm sorry, look at that lazy sunshine over the bridge.

1102
01:01:52.619 --> 01:01:55.199
And the cityscape in the background.

1103
01:01:55.260 --> 01:01:58.500
The ports that the ships come up from.

1104
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:01.500
I mean, it's just Star Trek, how I've always wanted to see it.

1105
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:02.340
Wonderful.

1106
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:03.179
All right.

1107
01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:04.860
Now here's your job.

1108
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:06.960
Look at zero's legs.

1109
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:09.420
In these scenes.

1110
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:10.320
Okay?

1111
01:02:10.380 --> 01:02:12.780
I want you to keep an eye on zero's legs.

1112
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:14.219
Obviously pay attention to what's happening.

1113
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:22.800
Um, but so Zero stood up and that ship and it's the new proto-star class ship. and we're going to see that.

1114
01:02:22.860 --> 01:02:26.880
It's not going to play a big part next season unless it...

1115
01:02:26.940 --> 01:02:28.320
Oh, they're there.

1116
01:02:28.380 --> 01:02:30.719
Oh, they found exploding.

1117
01:02:30.780 --> 01:02:33.659
So, and now they're back in the reverse shot.

1118
01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:34.619
What is that going on?

1119
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:36.960
Is that just the continuity era?

1120
01:02:38.460 --> 01:02:41.460
So from behind, you just have the legs.

1121
01:02:41.699 --> 01:02:53.340
I complained about that in into the breach, because it did happen there and I wondered what was happening to his legs.

1122
01:02:54.300 --> 01:02:56.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1123
01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:57.239
So they've gone there?

1124
01:02:57.300 --> 01:02:59.940
They're gone in the show. nobody noticed.

1125
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:04.739
I was so obsessed at looking at that fabulous behemoth building.

1126
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:06.360
I didn't even notice the 1st time.

1127
01:03:06.420 --> 01:03:07.860
It looks great, doesn't it?

1128
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:09.360
And now they're back.

1129
01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:17.699
I think he can, like, depending on what angle you look at him, the refraction of the light, it means that they vanish.

1130
01:03:17.699 --> 01:03:18.179
Absolutely.

1131
01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:21.179
Look at this last shot of the going off in the ship.

1132
01:03:21.239 --> 01:03:22.679
It's beautiful, isn't it?

1133
01:03:22.860 --> 01:03:24.539
Just so good.

1134
01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:27.239
Just 10 out of 10.

1135
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:29.340
I have no notes.

1136
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:30.420
I mean, I had lots of notes.

1137
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:33.300
I talked a lot there, but yeah, just wonderful.

1138
01:03:33.420 --> 01:03:36.480
That is basically what I want from Star Trek.

1139
01:03:36.539 --> 01:03:37.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1140
01:03:37.380 --> 01:03:37.800
Yeah.

1141
01:03:37.860 --> 01:03:39.119
It's just really fun.

1142
01:03:39.179 --> 01:03:40.260
The kids are all great.

1143
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:48.659
You know, um, you've got Kate Mulgrew, which is just tremendous, and it just looks stunning.

1144
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:52.559
You know, it just looks so exciting, so thrilling.

1145
01:03:52.619 --> 01:03:54.119
Yeah, I'm here for it too.

1146
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:58.380
I think the only thing I can really add. is much like lower decks.

1147
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:10.860
I cannot wait to get back to this series and discover some more, but I am going to keep up my annoying tradition of not watching it through and discovering it as we watch it.

1148
01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:12.900
All right, that sounds like a plan.

1149
01:04:22.260 --> 01:04:28.559
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to work out where we're going next time.

1150
01:04:28.619 --> 01:04:32.219
This was my choice, a rare win for me.

1151
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:41.519
And so maybe you'll even things up by picking something terrible, Joe. I think you might be turning a corner now, you know, does your increments.

1152
01:04:41.579 --> 01:04:42.780
Your choices are getting better.

1153
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:45.119
And that was a massive win.

1154
01:04:45.179 --> 01:04:53.820
But unfortunately, my eyeballs have been tessellated far too much by all the visual splendour, prodigy.

1155
01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:56.519
So I am going to take us back to the...

1156
01:04:56.519 --> 01:05:01.679
The brainer back to the 90s. of 90s.

1157
01:05:01.739 --> 01:05:02.880
I'll put them all in.

1158
01:05:02.940 --> 01:05:05.699
Next generation, DS9 Voyager and Enterprise.

1159
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:06.539
Oh, brilliant.

1160
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:06.780
Okay.

1161
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:07.260
Okay?

1162
01:05:07.380 --> 01:05:09.960
So let's just see what we get now.

1163
01:05:10.019 --> 01:05:10.679
Okay.

1164
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:14.760
Oh, we may have to do it.

1165
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:17.099
He's a code of honour?

1166
01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:21.059
No, but if I say this, I might just skip it because you'll just go, we'll do it.

1167
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:22.559
No, you have to say it. the rules.

1168
01:05:22.619 --> 01:05:26.639
Your random Star Trek, the next generation episode is...

1169
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:30.960
Season six, episode three, man of the people.

1170
01:05:31.019 --> 01:05:33.000
Oh my god, they're doing it.

1171
01:05:33.059 --> 01:05:35.639
Oh, yeah, absolutely doing it.

1172
01:05:35.699 --> 01:05:36.480
Of course we do.

1173
01:05:36.539 --> 01:05:38.340
This is literally crazy.

1174
01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:43.500
This is literally the Dr. Crusher has repaired Troy with her usual skill episode.

1175
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:45.179
That's so great.

1176
01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:46.980
It's so crazy.

1177
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:51.360
Now, look, Sean Luke, I can only kill her for 3 minutes.

1178
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:53.519
I have to bring her back to life again.

1179
01:05:53.579 --> 01:05:55.260
Oh my god.

1180
01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:56.519
Well, that's the quickest choice ever.

1181
01:05:56.579 --> 01:05:57.360
We're done.

1182
01:05:57.420 --> 01:05:58.079
Yeah, yeah.

1183
01:05:58.139 --> 01:05:59.519
You're done. absolutely.

1184
01:05:59.579 --> 01:06:01.079
It may be...

1185
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:06.900
Now, you did say recently an episode of Untitled Star Trek. you know, Marina's not allowed to sort of let her hair down.

1186
01:06:07.019 --> 01:06:07.920
She's a good girl.

1187
01:06:07.980 --> 01:06:10.920
She's behaving herself for one week.

1188
01:06:10.980 --> 01:06:12.480
That's all out the window.

1189
01:06:13.860 --> 01:06:16.500
One of my favourite marina episodes.

1190
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:23.519
Just remember the bit where she comes into the, um, they've put her in this hideous old age makeup is before she saw the vamp.

1191
01:06:23.579 --> 01:06:28.079
She's got loads of latex on her face and a massive knife in her hand.

1192
01:06:28.139 --> 01:06:33.659
She comes to the transporter room and goes, I won't let you take him from me to Picard.

1193
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:34.920
She tries to stab him.

1194
01:06:34.980 --> 01:06:36.420
Oh, it's just gold.

1195
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:38.460
Let's do it.

1196
01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:40.380
Yeah, absolutely we're doing it.

1197
01:06:47.940 --> 01:06:59.099
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1198
01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:04.559
Now, podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1199
01:07:04.619 --> 01:07:10.679
This episode was recorded on the 22nd of October 2024 and released on the 25th of October.

1200
01:07:10.739 --> 01:07:15.900
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, Man of the People.

1201
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:34.800
Did you see what I'll tell you about that?

1202
01:07:34.860 --> 01:07:40.800
And then, of course, all of the, of course, we watched the last Jedi this Sunday.

1203
01:07:40.860 --> 01:07:44.880
It was incredible and easily.

1204
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:49.860
Oh, you're going to think, oh, mad, but easily my favourite is since Revenge of the Sith, with the...

1205
01:07:49.860 --> 01:07:51.300
I like my favourite altogether.

1206
01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:52.920
It might be my favourite Star Wars.

1207
01:07:52.980 --> 01:07:58.559
I had like Revenge of the Swift because it's got that mad evil emperor in it, given the most insane performance. you've ever seen.

1208
01:07:58.619 --> 01:08:01.980
But, um, God, it was so beautiful.

1209
01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:04.980
So, I can't believe these effects.

1210
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:07.860
I cannot believe the face all the way through.

1211
01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:12.960
The red of the red and the white and the black.

1212
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:14.519
The bleeding planet.

1213
01:08:14.579 --> 01:08:15.420
Yep.

1214
01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:18.539
I don't care if you say it's salt, it's a bleeding planet.

1215
01:08:18.539 --> 01:08:20.039
No, it's beautiful.

1216
01:08:20.100 --> 01:08:22.439
It's just stunning. so good.

1217
01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:40.199
And but just, I love, I, sorry, I know, I put the, I put the tweet out, saying, I love this, and then I wrote just to sort of, you know, stir the pot a bit with the people that hate it, which seems to be pretty much everyone, was to say, and as for Leia, space walking, I put hilarious.

1218
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:46.079
I said, because raising a spaceship out of a swamp with magical powers is so naturalistic.

1219
01:08:46.140 --> 01:08:48.779
And then everyone jumped on it like, man.

1220
01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:54.239
It's like, it's like suddenly it's just like, I don't know what the force can do anymore.

1221
01:08:54.300 --> 01:08:55.319
What can it do?

1222
01:08:55.380 --> 01:08:57.000
Like, it just opened the force up.

1223
01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:58.979
And it's just like, do anything?

1224
01:08:58.979 --> 01:08:59.880
Astounding.

1225
01:08:59.939 --> 01:09:00.600
What can it do?

1226
01:09:00.659 --> 01:09:01.920
What are the rules now?

1227
01:09:01.979 --> 01:09:03.060
I think it's really great.

1228
01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:11.159
And I think too, the thing about 7 and A, the thing that is so good about those 2 films is that they are properly funny.

1229
01:09:11.220 --> 01:09:16.199
The, the, the, the Force Awakens is the funniest Star Wars film.

1230
01:09:16.260 --> 01:09:17.340
Like, it's Super Trad.

1231
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:19.500
It needed to be tried, but fuck, it's funny.

1232
01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:21.000
That's so funny.

1233
01:09:21.060 --> 01:09:26.159
She's in the cockpit, the Millennium Falcon, and stepping all over, was he stepping all over it?

1234
01:09:26.220 --> 01:09:27.359
No, he's stepping all over her.

1235
01:09:27.420 --> 01:09:30.420
Do you remember that bit where Finn's stepping all over right?

1236
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:31.800
She's going, get off, get off me.

1237
01:09:31.859 --> 01:09:34.260
And they're just like normal people.

1238
01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:37.500
When he wakes up, he's knocked out.

1239
01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:39.479
He wakes up and goes, are you all right?

1240
01:09:39.600 --> 01:10:01.020
Like, and there's one moment, like, really, really early on in the, in the last Jedi, where Finn wakes up and, you know, like, he's in his sort of comedy back to tank suit thing with water spurting out everywhere, and he looks sort of ridiculous, and Poe comes up to him and says, you must have a 1000000 questions.

1241
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:03.840
He just says, where's Ray?

1242
01:10:03.899 --> 01:10:06.779
And it, like, it's so beautiful.

1243
01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:17.880
It breaks my heart because, you know, like just the relationship he has with her and how much it's not a romantic relationship or anything, but just how much he loves her and how much he wants to protect her.

1244
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:21.600
And of course, he doesn't have a 1000000 questions because he's Finn.

1245
01:10:21.659 --> 01:10:22.739
And I think that's beautiful.

1246
01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:29.579
And like the essay that I wrote was about the, the, the Monte Carlo planet, the, oh my god, gorgeous.

1247
01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:30.899
It's so good.

1248
01:10:31.020 --> 01:10:34.199
Absolutely. like there was a sequence.

1249
01:10:34.260 --> 01:10:34.979
Do you remember that?

1250
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:43.260
Um, do you remember that very old camera shot that goes through the, the lounge?

1251
01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:44.760
It's a very old one.

1252
01:10:44.819 --> 01:10:47.159
It's like a tracking shot that goes over all the tables.

1253
01:10:47.220 --> 01:10:48.600
Do you remember that?

1254
01:10:48.659 --> 01:10:49.439
It's really famous.

1255
01:10:49.500 --> 01:10:52.020
It was like the 1st one of it's called it. a continuous shot.

1256
01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:53.279
Okay, right, right.

1257
01:10:53.340 --> 01:10:54.539
And they're doing...

1258
01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:56.159
He does that in the thing.

1259
01:10:56.220 --> 01:11:00.000
He goes across all the poker table and I found it afterwards.

1260
01:11:00.060 --> 01:11:01.079
I was like, yeah he's doing it.

1261
01:11:01.140 --> 01:11:04.380
B to B. But with crazy aliens in it.

1262
01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:05.579
It's great.

1263
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:07.560
But there was 3 bits right.

1264
01:11:07.619 --> 01:11:10.140
And if Mark laughs, then it's a win for him.

1265
01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:11.399
And there was 3 bits.

1266
01:11:11.460 --> 01:11:12.779
The bit where...

1267
01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:14.340
I don't know what they were.

1268
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:16.500
The people that clean up Luke's place.

1269
01:11:16.500 --> 01:11:20.220
We're going along with their car and the rock...

1270
01:11:20.220 --> 01:11:23.520
And they just go, little Lizard Mans.

1271
01:11:23.579 --> 01:11:26.039
That bit made him howl.

1272
01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:27.899
And then the bit in the...

1273
01:11:27.899 --> 01:11:36.420
There's a massive action sequence in the middle of the casino and it suddenly cuts on this woman who goes...

1274
01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:47.880
He pissed himself then, and then the little creature in with Chewy when they're in a moment of extreme danger, and it just goes...

1275
01:11:47.939 --> 01:11:49.560
The ball.

1276
01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:51.420
It's so...

1277
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:52.020
It's so good.

1278
01:11:52.079 --> 01:11:54.420
What about when he wants to eat the pork?

1279
01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:58.560
Chewy's trying to eat the pork. making it sad.

1280
01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:07.859
I'm going, oh, he doesn't want to have that chicken and Mark's going, no, that's one of them.

1281
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:08.699
I was like, oh.

1282
01:12:11.819 --> 01:12:13.739
Also, it looks delicious, aren't it?

1283
01:12:13.739 --> 01:12:15.060
It is so good.

1284
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:19.560
But then, and then Rod came at me right, and he, because he hates that movie.

1285
01:12:19.619 --> 01:12:23.399
Um, you know, he's been a fan of Star Wars since the beginning.

1286
01:12:23.399 --> 01:12:26.039
I saw the 1st film in the cinema.

1287
01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:28.979
And he's going to like a portrayal of the logic.

1288
01:12:28.979 --> 01:12:32.279
And I was like, what are you talking about?

1289
01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:36.539
is a logic of magic.

1290
01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:37.199
Okay.

1291
01:12:37.260 --> 01:12:40.680
Oh, no, I think I mean, I thought that was beautiful.

1292
01:12:40.859 --> 01:12:42.779
This is astounding.

1293
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:57.840
I love the bit too, where, um, where she says what the force is, and she says, you know, it's a thing that makes you able to leap and lift rocks and stuff like, she's got like a dumb explanation for it.

1294
01:12:57.899 --> 01:13:07.859
And then there's that beautiful explanation of how it's life, you know, and it's never been done better with all of those quick shots of things being born and dying and stuff like that.

1295
01:13:07.920 --> 01:13:09.239
It's so good.

1296
01:13:09.300 --> 01:13:10.800
And, and, and just...

1297
01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:11.760
But then doesn't he say at the end?

1298
01:13:11.819 --> 01:13:13.319
And you can pick up rocks.

1299
01:13:13.380 --> 01:13:19.500
Well, no, she ends up beating the day by picking up a big fucking bunch of rocks at the end of the film.

1300
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:21.060
Exactly.

1301
01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:23.699
You know what?

1302
01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:25.920
My only complaint about it, and I did love.

1303
01:13:25.979 --> 01:13:36.840
I loved all the stuff on the planet was it felt like it had hit its climax, a 3rd in, and then that whole bit on the planet feels like like the start of another film.

1304
01:13:36.899 --> 01:13:44.399
Yeah, and I think it's partly because it, that's how the 1st trilogy structured. you know what I mean?

1305
01:13:44.460 --> 01:13:49.859
Like the 1st trilogy ends at that and then you have a whole other film.

1306
01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:54.779
And so I found it really off-putting the 1st time, but the 2nd time once I knew that that was how it was paid.

1307
01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:55.739
It was gorgeous.

1308
01:13:55.739 --> 01:13:58.079
And a twist of him not being a mess.

1309
01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:00.720
When they shoot and shoot and shoot.

1310
01:14:01.380 --> 01:14:04.319
It's the same thing, you know, the thing that I hate about nine.

1311
01:14:04.380 --> 01:14:16.739
The thing that I hate about 9 is that Ray wins because she has better space for lightning than Palpatine, whereas in Return of the Jedi, Luke wins because he says, I'm not going to find you.

1312
01:14:16.859 --> 01:14:20.520
You know, I don't know if I'm going to watch nine.

1313
01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:22.619
I don't want to see that in the pictures.

1314
01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:23.880
I think I'm going to end it there.

1315
01:14:23.939 --> 01:14:26.399
That's my end of them going, right.

1316
01:14:26.460 --> 01:14:28.560
There's only a few ragtag of us left on this ship.

1317
01:14:28.619 --> 01:14:32.880
Let's go and find new rebellion. child. as a child with...

1318
01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:33.899
That was great as well.

1319
01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:34.319
Yeah.

1320
01:14:34.380 --> 01:14:35.880
What is wrong with these people?

1321
01:14:35.939 --> 01:14:37.739
it's just so gorgeous.

1322
01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:39.600
I was like, how could you even object to it?

1323
01:14:39.659 --> 01:14:41.100
It's just so beautiful.

1324
01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:43.439
It's a 9's an apology tour for it as well.

1325
01:14:43.500 --> 01:14:49.619
It's like, I'm sorry we allowed someone talented near your shitty franchise. you nerds.

1326
01:14:49.680 --> 01:15:03.659
And here's something incredibly unimaginative and that makes no sense and plus Finn and Poe are definitely not gay because we'll give them each boyfriends and wait them and yell at each other throughout the entire thing.

1327
01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:09.479
And we'll put we'll make that bird-faced lady from last Jedi.

1328
01:15:09.539 --> 01:15:14.760
She can be a lesbian for 2 seconds and we'll cut that out for release in Malaysia.

1329
01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:19.380
His favourite is that woman with the goggles, you know, the one who goes over the table.

1330
01:15:20.460 --> 01:15:22.199
What's her name?

1331
01:15:22.199 --> 01:15:24.539
No, from Force Awakens.

1332
01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:27.899
She's got a...

1333
01:15:27.899 --> 01:15:31.500
I just like all the crazy aliens.

1334
01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:32.399
I'm just going.

1335
01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:35.279
Yeah, I'm glad he liked...

1336
01:15:35.340 --> 01:15:39.300
I'm sending my essay because I'm really proud of it and it says...

1337
01:15:39.300 --> 01:15:43.920
I mean, I'm actually the 1st Chuck Shanahan absolutely was raven about the last Jedi.

1338
01:15:43.979 --> 01:15:45.180
So he made me watch it with him.

1339
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:46.439
And I loved it.

1340
01:15:46.500 --> 01:15:48.479
But I was like, okay, coming back to it.

1341
01:15:48.539 --> 01:15:50.699
I've watched them all in order.

1342
01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:57.000
Am I going to see this huge portrayal of the Star Wars universe, you know, betraying the characters.

1343
01:15:57.060 --> 01:15:59.159
It's the 1st thing.

1344
01:15:59.220 --> 01:16:04.979
It's the 1st thing that actually has something to say about the Star Wars universe.

1345
01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:08.460
You know, there's a big pointless battle with lots of hardware and shit.

1346
01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:17.340
And then it critiques that and it says, actually, maybe you should be off making people's lives better and saving them from oppression.

1347
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:20.159
The character work was so on point as well.

1348
01:16:20.220 --> 01:16:22.859
The woman with the purple hair.

1349
01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:25.140
You know, the woman, the movie.

1350
01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:28.079
Yeah, it was like such a King Dern, can I say?

1351
01:16:28.140 --> 01:16:29.579
Such a cow.

1352
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:32.699
And then shut that moment with Leia.

1353
01:16:32.699 --> 01:16:34.859
And I was like, okay, I get it.

1354
01:16:34.920 --> 01:16:35.460
I get it.

1355
01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:37.739
I know what he's doing with his character.

1356
01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:40.140
Until that point I was like, oh, she's awful.

1357
01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:43.979
Like, and then she obviously she sacrificed herself and you absolutely love her.

1358
01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:45.779
Yeah, in a beautiful scene too.

1359
01:16:45.899 --> 01:16:47.699
Yeah, it was great.

1360
01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:49.140
So good.

1361
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:50.279
These crazy people.

1362
01:16:50.340 --> 01:16:52.439
They don't deserve these multi-billion.

1363
01:16:52.500 --> 01:16:54.359
Look at these...

1364
01:16:54.420 --> 01:16:58.800
Ryan Johnson and they don't deserve Laura Dern, for God's sake.

1365
01:16:58.859 --> 01:17:02.159
It's Laura Dern, her majesty Laura Dern.

1366
01:17:02.220 --> 01:17:15.479
But I've heard like the reaction was so bad that they accredited the response to the last Jedi to the failure of solo, like the box office failure of solo, and nobody went to go and see it.

1367
01:17:15.539 --> 01:17:16.920
It's outrageous.

1368
01:17:16.979 --> 01:17:22.739
And like Kelly Marie Tran, who was so gorgeous in that film, like just...

1369
01:17:22.739 --> 01:17:23.640
Oh, was that the Asian girl?

1370
01:17:23.699 --> 01:17:27.000
Yeah, Fritz or something?

1371
01:17:27.060 --> 01:17:30.180
Yeah, oh, like she and she was on Instagram and stuff.

1372
01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:33.840
She was adorable, just like absolutely wonderful on Instagram.

1373
01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:39.060
I said that to him, and I was like, right, I'm going to watch this movie now and see what she does are so offensive.

1374
01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:42.359
And by the end, I was like, tremendous.

1375
01:17:42.420 --> 01:17:43.260
So what was the issue?

1376
01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:54.359
She's an Asian woman and she teaches a man a thing because in that film, all of the men learn a valuable lesson from a woman.

1377
01:17:54.420 --> 01:18:01.319
And so, you know, you get a layout schooling Poe after the Dreadnaught attack.

1378
01:18:01.380 --> 01:18:08.760
You get, um, you get rose teaching Finn, what it is that is, it means to be a rebel.

1379
01:18:08.819 --> 01:18:12.659
You know, he's not sold at all and he's sold by her.

1380
01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:20.279
She tells him, um, What it means, and you get Luke, who has retired.

1381
01:18:20.340 --> 01:18:25.319
You know, everyone blames Ryan Johnson for making Luke into a hermit, but JJ Abrams did that.

1382
01:18:25.380 --> 01:18:29.520
That was what the 1st film was about, you know, where's Luke?

1383
01:18:29.579 --> 01:18:32.579
And she, you know, she brings Luke back into the battle.

1384
01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:35.220
She teaches him, you know, just as he teaches her.

1385
01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:40.800
To me, while I was watching those scenes of him teaching her, yeah.

1386
01:18:40.859 --> 01:18:41.819
Do you know what I was seeing?

1387
01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:45.659
I was seeing Yoda teaching Luke in Empire.

1388
01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:47.100
I was saying exactly the same thing.

1389
01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:50.159
I'm like, you all love Empire Strike Back.

1390
01:18:50.220 --> 01:18:51.539
What is the way?

1391
01:18:52.500 --> 01:18:55.260
Okay, so we've got a character.

1392
01:18:56.399 --> 01:19:04.560
If you watch the prequels, you know, Yoda's massive in in the fight against the dark side coming in, and then he goes, right, fuck me, I'm out.

1393
01:19:04.619 --> 01:19:09.119
I was like, we've lost and I'm just going to go and chew a card over it.

1394
01:19:09.180 --> 01:19:09.600
Yes.

1395
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:11.640
And it goes to the swamp planet.

1396
01:19:11.699 --> 01:19:12.539
That's what Jedi do.

1397
01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:13.619
They just fuck off.

1398
01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:16.979
I'm like, well, you don't mind it with Yoda.

1399
01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:22.920
And that's why that scene between Yoda and Luke is so great. when he just burns all the books.

1400
01:19:22.979 --> 01:19:24.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1401
01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:25.619
Do you really think that's important?

1402
01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:26.699
No, that's important.

1403
01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:28.500
Like, God's sakes.

1404
01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:30.180
Oh, dear.

1405
01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:31.920
Well, but you know what?

1406
01:19:31.979 --> 01:19:34.140
I'm just not invested in it enough to really care.

1407
01:19:34.199 --> 01:19:40.859
As an exercise of watching it to see what was so good and mad about it.

1408
01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:41.939
It was quite interesting.

1409
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:42.720
Yeah.

1410
01:19:42.779 --> 01:19:43.319
Yeah.

1411
01:19:43.380 --> 01:19:46.920
No, I've never had the passion of it because I just didn't watch them when I was younger.

1412
01:19:46.979 --> 01:19:47.760
So, you know.

1413
01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:48.479
Yeah, yeah.

1414
01:19:48.479 --> 01:20:01.560
No, I went I saw Star Wars in the cinema, uh, when I was 8 or whatever, and I had, um, uh, um, Empire Strikes Back bedsheets when I was a kid, which were great.

1415
01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:02.699
They were so good.

1416
01:20:02.760 --> 01:20:06.119
But it's like had little figures and the whole thing. hugely into it.

1417
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:11.340
You know how we sort of look at 90s trek now on this?

1418
01:20:11.579 --> 01:20:15.720
That's how I look at those Star Wars films, those original Star Wars, those three.

1419
01:20:15.779 --> 01:20:16.140
Yeah?

1420
01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:18.840
And so everyone goes, oh, they're the best thing ever, blah, blah, blah.

1421
01:20:18.899 --> 01:20:30.600
Well, when you look at them out, actually, they have dated a bit and they are quite slow and they're a bit embarrassing and the dialogue's a bit clunky and I know it means a lot to you because it's a seminal part of your childhood.

1422
01:20:30.659 --> 01:20:34.859
You can't look at this objectively because it was a seminal bar of your childhood.

1423
01:20:34.979 --> 01:20:40.020
That's right And then you get bored in Empire strikes back in the cinema.

1424
01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:44.340
I mean, I love Empire Strikes Back, but it is slow.

1425
01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:45.659
It's super slow.

1426
01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:50.279
And it does the same weird time dilation thing, the witch one.

1427
01:20:50.340 --> 01:20:51.779
A creature in the snow.

1428
01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:54.300
But we're not, you know, that, what was that?

1429
01:20:54.359 --> 01:20:56.520
Oh, it was...

1430
01:20:56.579 --> 01:20:58.199
I've ever seen.

1431
01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:00.119
Terrible.

1432
01:21:00.180 --> 01:21:03.119
They took out I was watching like deleted scenes.

1433
01:21:03.180 --> 01:21:07.140
They took out loads of scenes of that creature. because it just looks so awful.

1434
01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:13.140
Oh, there's a scene with the, you know, the, the, do you mean the big white ice creature that hits in the face?

1435
01:21:13.260 --> 01:21:22.079
They add stuff in there that wasn't in there because there's a wonderful shot in the in the special edition of it kind of chewing through something, chewing through a guy.

1436
01:21:22.140 --> 01:21:27.659
But it's basically a face and a hand and that's it in the original film because that's all we could do.

1437
01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:31.619
And then they put more of it in a bit later.

1438
01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:33.539
You remember that podcast?

1439
01:21:33.539 --> 01:21:35.460
I said, I was, sorry, we should start a second.

1440
01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:36.539
We should never go.

1441
01:21:36.539 --> 01:21:48.119
Um, that podcast I was listening to, and they're going through all of the souls, movies, and it's somebody who, like you, who's watched them since they were a kid and somebody who was watching them for the very 1st time.

1442
01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:56.819
And um, when they got to the sequels, the one who, he hated them so much, and he hated the last Jedi so much, right?

1443
01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:59.939
And the fellow with him, it's just such a brilliant recording.

1444
01:21:59.939 --> 01:22:07.680
And he's pointing out all the things that he's watched in these movies over the last couple of weeks that are more ridiculous than layer space walking.

1445
01:22:07.739 --> 01:22:09.539
And he's going, you just don't understand.

1446
01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:11.279
He's going, you don't get it. like that.

1447
01:22:11.340 --> 01:22:12.659
He goes, no, he goes, I don't.

1448
01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:18.479
He goes, that is patently more ridiculous than her flying through space using the force.

1449
01:22:18.539 --> 01:22:22.619
He goes, and you will just find any excuse because you just don't like this.

1450
01:22:22.680 --> 01:22:24.960
You know, like the creative choices that they've made.

1451
01:22:25.020 --> 01:22:26.699
But it's so great.

1452
01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:29.220
It's really, I love listening to those.

1453
01:22:29.340 --> 01:22:31.800
People don't want it to do new things.

1454
01:22:31.859 --> 01:22:33.960
They don't want to see things that they've never seen before.

1455
01:22:34.020 --> 01:22:37.140
And that's the one where it's got its identity, isn't it?

1456
01:22:37.199 --> 01:22:41.340
Like Force Awakens very much feels like a love letter to those 1st three.

1457
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:41.819
Yep.

1458
01:22:41.819 --> 01:22:44.340
This is where you exciting people, I think.

1459
01:22:44.399 --> 01:22:52.920
But this is where we're embracing our new people and our new Zealand and our new order and it's our thing now and we're going to really lean into it and be fabulous.

1460
01:22:52.979 --> 01:22:54.180
Yeah, yeah.

1461
01:22:54.239 --> 01:22:54.779
I love it.

1462
01:22:54.840 --> 01:22:55.500
Just love it.

1463
01:22:55.619 --> 01:22:57.539
Anyway, come on.

1464
01:22:57.600 --> 01:22:59.340
Let's watch something. don't you reckon?

1465
01:23:00.300 --> 01:23:01.439
For the whole conversation.

1466
01:23:01.500 --> 01:23:03.300
Oh maybe.

1467
01:23:03.359 --> 01:23:04.920
Yeah, go on, but yeah.

1468
01:23:06.239 --> 01:23:07.319
Will upset everybody.

1469
01:23:07.380 --> 01:23:09.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1470
01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:11.699
You listen to me everyone.

1471
01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:15.600
The last Jedi, the best Star Wars movie of all time.

1472
01:23:15.659 --> 01:23:16.380
All right?

1473
01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:17.279
It's pretty good.

1474
01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:18.479
It's a bleeding planet.

1475
01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:21.180
All right.