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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are doing Star Trek Prodigy this week, and the last time we

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did Star Trek Prodigy, we did a sort of series 2 episode one

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although it was episode one and two, it was a 2 barter.

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And now we're going back to immediately before then to fill in the

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gap, we are watching the series finale or the season finale, at

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least, of season one, episodes 19 and 20, and it's supernova part

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one and supernova part 2, and I have a confession to make.

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As I was watching this, I was worried that you might not like it.

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Can you imagine why?

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I mean, there was one moment where, you know, it was the purest

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Star Trek imaginable of the sort that, you know, we've discussed

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lately that you like.

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Was it that?

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Maybe, what video talking about?

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There was the bit where they were saying, you know, oh, we're all

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one, and we're all, and everyone's all, yeah, that bit.

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No, I love that bit.

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In fact, there are 3 bits that I'm worried about because there are

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3 big speeches when we come to part two, we'll talk about how it's

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paced, and I think it's paced in a really good way, but there's a

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hologram Janeway says goodbye to the kids' speech, gorgeous.

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Really, really great. absolutely gorgeous.

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That whole bit.

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The ship going off, all of it was gorgeous.

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The wonderful speech that Gwyn gives about the Federation and how

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it offers hope for everyone, you know, the way that she persuades

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all of the allies to come and help in the battle.

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And I think when you take the federation to a precipice like you

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do here, you've earned a little bit between us on the back of it

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and then the being speech from Janeway at the trial at the end of

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part 2 where she talks about how great the kids are and how great

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the federation is.

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Nathan, I was just so happy that we got a coda on earth.

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After Voyages Endgame, you know, all that potential that we were

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denied that all these characters have got hit earth.

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There were consequences for what happened, and there is a

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direction for the future.

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No, I didn't object to any of those, mate.

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In fact, I've got to say, this was a particularly stunning episode

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of Deep Space 9 that I watched this morning.

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My screen was full of fabulous spaceships all shooting at each

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other.

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The Klingons came in at the right point to save the day.

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There was the Federation at the, sort of the edge of being

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destroyed in some massive calamity.

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We were intercutting with genuine scenes of emotion between fully

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rounded characters.

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I mean, that 1st half of this.

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I was like, this is basically tears of the prophets, but 20 years

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later with better special effects.

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And boy, I bought, I'm on board for all of that.

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I freaking loved it.

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I mean, I love the whole tea barter and I think it paid off

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brilliantly.

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Weirdly enough, do you know what, um, papered over a lot of those

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Star Trekie moments in episode 2 was the music.

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Oh, it was just so move, but the the slow motion, the ship going

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and the music during that scene.

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I was getting goosebumps out.

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Jesus, Joe Chatterway's in a well in the past now, isn't it?

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I mean, we quite like J.

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Chataway, but.

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Oh, no, I think he's the best composer of the 90s, but... this is

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this is... a considered beautiful score. and a couple of very good

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uses of the original Star Trek theme at just the right moment as

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well which I thought was really great.

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I do have one question.

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No, I have about 120 questions, but we'll get into that when we

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talk about the episodes.

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My one question is this, yeah.

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This is so good.

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This finale is better than about 98% of other trek finales.

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How the hell did they let this series go when it was delivering

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this sort of material?

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What is wrong with these people?

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It's very strange, isn't it?

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And I guess we'll probably never know.

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It has something to do, I think, with it being pitched at

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children.

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It's not.

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It's not.

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I'm telling you now, you have to have your wits about you watching

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this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, it's quite complex and the serialisation is sort of quite

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detailed and, you know, this is paying off stuff that happened 10

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episodes earlier.

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This is a 20 part season and there's a mid-season break.

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There was a substantial break between the 1st 10 and the last 10

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episodes.

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And the stuff that happens when we return.

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That's when we discover the construct, we meet Admiral Janeway.

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I think is probably the cliffhanger to episode 10 is the real

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Admiral Janeway turns up.

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We learn about the construct.

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We learn about what the Vanu Kart are doing.

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You know, the 100, we learn about Ascensia, we learn about all of

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those things that are important here.

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That's mostly my questions, if I'm honest.

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I'm sure you'll be able to explain as we go along.

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It's only because I haven't seen the 2nd half in its entirety.

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I'm a few pertinent details missing.

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Yeah.

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I mean, some of it is stuff that came up in series two, episode

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one because one thing that I didn't remember is how thoroughly

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this sets up where we start in series two, and in particular with

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the rift that's created by the destruction of the protostar, and

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you know, then an alternative version of the future, 50 years in

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the future, where Chakotay loses the protostar, and it goes back

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in time only to be discovered by Gwen's father.

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Anyway, the return of the character we were all gagging for

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Chakotah.

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I'm surprised, actually, given our vocal, he's been about a lot of

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things.

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What I will say, my one complaint about this, and it is a minor

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complaint, and frankly, I'm blaming you rather than prodigy, and

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that is that you chose series 2.one.

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And so I knew where all these characters were going to end up.

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So there was no great suspense for me watching this because I knew

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they were all going to be fine.

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She was going off to her home world and everyone else was going to

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be in the academy by the end because we'd already watched the 1st

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of the 2nd season.

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But hey, that's the name of the game with untitled Star Trek

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Project.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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There are spoilers, there we will be spoilers.

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And it's my fault for not watching this previously all the way

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through like you have.

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So, although that is really enjoyable.

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Now, doing these like live, basically, watching it and then

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talking about it because you've got somebody there who's done the

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run and somebody's and that's that's 2 different perspectives

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there.

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Yeah, yeah, no, I think that works well.

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And we both love it, so I'm saying it works.

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Yeah, no, I just think this is terrific. enjoyed it enormously

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really competent, really well told, visually stunning.

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It does things that we've never seen before.

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It's absolutely everything that I want.

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And I just love those characters.

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I love the kids.

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I think they're really great. there are lots of other characters

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as well.

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This is like a fusion of what you like and what I like in Star

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Trek.

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I like big arcs and dramas and consequences for the federation and

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all this stuff and politics and it's all going on in this.

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Yeah, you like competent, lovely people working together to, you

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know, there's a very big space problem at the Cliffhanger to

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episode one to sort out in episode two.

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I was like, shit, how are they going to get out of this one?

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It's a fantastic lifting app.

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We'll get there.

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Yeah, so in terms of, yeah, we discussed a lot lately, haven't we

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the Star Trek you like and the Star Trek, I like, this is the Star

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Trek we like. finally, they fuse the 2 together.

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And one last thought because this is going to go by so fast.

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They're 20 odd minute episodes.

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Yeah, so we'll be talking a lot about what's on the screen.

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But I messaged you and said, like, this is making direct

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references to Voyager at times.

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I think that obviously the counterpoint reference in episode one

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but definitely the ship coming over the bridge in episode 2 and

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then doing the consequences.

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Like they are literally saying this is what Voyager should have

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done.

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Yep.

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This is a lot better than Voyager.

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Not just visually, because that's an obvious thing to say, yeah.

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But it's doing the thing that Voyager wouldn't allow itself to do

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and that is having complex, long-running storylines, you know, big

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cast of characters with guest characters coming in as well, which

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Voyager just rejected outright.

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Proper, sincere relationships between people, which, you know, they

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they sort of kind of did, but it was all very sitcommy and not

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very realistic.

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I want to shit all over Voyager.

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We love it.

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I know, we love it, and we love the actor saying it, all of that.

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But this is like Voyager done really, really well.

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This 2 part is a good example of what Voyager could have been if

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they'd had the nuts.

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And this is what DS9 was doing in the 90s.

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I just said earlier, so they could have done it.

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This is absolutely in the 1st episode of Voyager we did where I

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talked about missing potential.

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They didn't reach their potential.

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They could have done this and they didn't. and I'm really pleased

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they're sort of doing it now, kind of, because there's lots of

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Voyager references and they're sort of saying, look, we know you

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didn't get this right, but we love you and this is how it could

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have been, you know?

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Yeah.

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Well, we've already seen the beginning of series 2, which

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introduces even more...

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Voyager, including the doctor and the USS Voyager.

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I mean, I said in that one, didn't I?

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What a lovely episode of Forager.

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We just watched there, Chakotay, the doctor.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Jane White.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yep.

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Yep, okay, best Roberts.

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We should go in.

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We should go in.

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All right.

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I'm not kidding you.

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These animated series.

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Oh, my favourite of Kursman Trek. absolutely my favourite.

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I'm unapologetically saying that.

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So this episode of Untitled Star Trek Project will be released on

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the day or around about the time that the 1st episode of the last

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series of Lower Decks.

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Yeah.

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So that's exciting and heartbreaking at the same time.

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Yeah.

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Let's do it.

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Let's do it.

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I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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And we're off.

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Here we go.

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CBS and Nickelodeon, you don't see that very often at the start of

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a Star Trek episode.

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No, no.

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Oh gosh, let's just talk about those titles again. da, da, da, da

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da, da, da, da, da, da.

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I love it.

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It might be my favourite title sequence, you know, of the Kurtzman

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Treks as well.

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Just because it's so pretty.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I think Strange New Worlds is a pretty great title

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sequence and does the job of doing an original trek title

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sequence.

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Maybe sing again.

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All right.

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Yeah, it does the better version of the Voyager titles, I think.

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And having the ship fly past giant versions of the characters is

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great, too.

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Oh, wonderful.

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Wonderful.

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My eyes is just a feast.

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Yeah, it's beautiful.

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I wonder if there was any sort of, you know, is this going to work

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as a CGI series?

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Can they do Star Trek, you know, through this method?

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I can answer that question for you all.

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Yes, yes, they can.

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There should be more of it.

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I mean, it would be great.

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That's the thing that I really like, is that, you know, 90s had a

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very limited idea of what Star Trek could be.

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And this version of Star Trek says, no, it can be a CGI animated

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show for children or it can be a comedy cartoon for adults or, you

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know, whatever.

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And I'm really glad of that.

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That's so much more interesting.

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And it means we get this.

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And it's so just visually stunning.

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Beautiful.

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I know.

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It's like, it's what's so strangers, they sort of do like camera

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moves, don't they?

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And I'm like, yeah, there are no cameras involved.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So this scene is absolutely great.

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So we come in after last week's episode, which is called Mind

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Warp.

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Mind walk, whoops.

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It's called Mind of Walk, and it's Janeway and Dal Change Bodies.

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And so Dal has been on board the Dauntless, uh, in Janeway's body

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behaving oddly, which is why she's now in the brig.

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And, uh, and that's the only way they could communicate with each

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other.

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I have no clue why she was in prison, but I just figured she'd

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done something very bad indeed.

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Yeah, well, Dal actually admits Dal actually admits here, actually

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yeah, here it is about that.

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I may have, you know, touched her reputation a bit. all think

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she's crazy now.

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Whoops, and she's our only alloy.

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But that's another stunningly exciting and visual episode.

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And remember that the construct is on board the protest album.

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Admiral Jellicoe.

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Is that Jellicoe?

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That's Angelico.

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I realised that.

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Yep, yep.

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We've got an Andorian there, look.

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I feel like his antennas could wiggle a bit more.

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So the Andorian is, of course, David, David Diggs, isn't it?

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And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he's the 2nd in command. been in it for quite a while.

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He's in Hamilton.

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I think we talked about it him before.

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The same person voicing Jellicoe, is it?

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Yes.

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Yeah, Ronnie Cox.

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No.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I love Kursman Shrek. they forget nothing That's right Oh, look

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it's my favourite zero.

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Oh no, sorry.

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Murphs my favourite. 0 is my 2nd favourite.

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I like the 2 that they could never realise and the rock, but was

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it rock talk?

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The ones that they could never realise in live action.

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They're the ones I really love.

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It's like, what's his face, in Aricks, in TAS.

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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Although I do love, what's this fella's name, the purple guy?

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I always forget their names in this.

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He's got great.

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He's so good.

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Like, the way that he's grown, because remember he's kind of

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selfish and he decides that he's the captain and he takes the

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captain's quarters and he's a bit of a prick and he won't be told

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and stuff like that.

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And now he's loving and generous and brave and like he's learned

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all this stuff.

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I know. holy crap.

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Look at that battle scene.

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It's like watching sacrifice of angels again.

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Ships zooming in and out of each other.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Beams everywhere.

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The other thing that struck me is how incredibly beautiful this

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bridge is, like just better than any other Star Trek bridge

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because it's in that big glass kind of shoe, you know, it's glass

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on every side.

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It's not the strip of glass that we get, you know, on the

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enterprise or discovery.

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They've been listening to untitled Star Trek project.

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You want reflective surfaces.

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It's all gonna be glass.

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So good.

349
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Oh, I love I love all these space battles.

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It's so love it.

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It's so much fun.

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I mean, come on.

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Surely this reminds you of 6 and 7 DS9.

354
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There's a really funny line here.

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Jankam calls that maneuver the slippery dipsy doodle.

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That's right.

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And he says, great work except for the name.

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That's a good one.

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I'll tell you a bit I loved here was where they don't tell him

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that he won't get into Starfield Academy because he's genetically

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engineered and they know it will affect his performance on the

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bridge.

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So she makes a decision to lie to him and then the payoff to that

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at the end is you think he's going to be the one person that

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doesn't get in and he does. and it's a lovely tale.

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It actually affects the way that he behaves because he then says

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all right, my job is now to ensure that the rest of you get into

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Starfleet Academy.

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And so he's being completely selfless from that point on.

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Oh, Starfleet.

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Just the way you like it.

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It's just beautiful.

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Oh, here we go.

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Counterpoint.

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Oh, we've done this episode.

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So there is a little girl among the refugees in Counterpoint, and

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the Bernari have that stupid nose made up.

378
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It counterpoint.

379
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Of course they got the detail, right?

380
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Of course they did.

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But so she escapes, and the reason that the Federation is saved is

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because she helped those refugees to escape. 10 years ago, whatever

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in the in the Delta Quadrant.

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I mean, I did wonder how likely that it would be that that person

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would then end up here in Starfleet.

386
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But you know what?

387
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Don't think about it.

388
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The point is, Jayway made a good call. and now she's being paid in

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kind.

390
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Yeah, it was wonderful, isn't it?

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Like the Federation is rescued because it's about kindness.

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And so this, yeah, so she tells him now, because she thinks that

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she might be going, To her death, if anything happens, I want you

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to hear this from me.

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She wants to be honest.

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Yeah.

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And then he kisses her.

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Oh, God.

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What was that?

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What are you doing?

401
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She said.

402
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Oh, sorry.

403
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I thought we was having a moment.

404
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That's so cute.

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We've all been there, Tom. all been there.

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It's adorable And then look, he's crushed.

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It's so... because remember we don't, he doesn't know what he is

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at the beginning.

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That's the big mystery.

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Look, he just deflates completely.

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And that's when he decides that he's now going to try and get them

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into Starfleet, which is just wonderful.

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The other thing that I like too, is that it's the same crisis at

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the beginning of the end.

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Like, this is the problem.

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They can't communicate because if they do, the ships will start

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destroying one another, and that starts happening quite soon.

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It is, yeah.

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It is literally doing the sacrifice of angel thing.

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It just cut then to the ships, a few blasts, a bit of visual

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action, and then straight back to a really heartfelt character

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moment.

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I love it.

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It takes some confidence, you know, to cut between those 2 things

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because most people would just do just the battle sequence and

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then do all the emotional stuff later.

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I love it though.

428
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So this is Jamel Jamil.

429
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That'd be silly.

430
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He literally just chopped the robot, chopped his head.

431
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What is that robot again?

432
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It's dreadnaught.

433
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It just a being scary robot.

434
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St straight out of Star Wars.

435
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That's what he's done.

436
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Yeah, yeah.

437
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So that woman, the trill woman, is, of course, a senseiahu, uh, was

438
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uh, Jamil.

439
00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:52.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Fabulously evil voice she's got, hasn't she?

441
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She's wonderful.

442
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Awfully awfully British.

443
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Awful, hosh.

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Ridiculously polish.

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I will bring down the entire federation Oh, and so in these giant

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spaces on board the proto star.

447
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It's always shocking how small the proto star is compared to the

448
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other ships because just the interior spaces are so big.

449
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They're so generous.

450
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I know he reminds me of, and because I've been watching a lot of

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Star Wars.

452
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That robot reminds me of General Grievous.

453
00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:24.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

454
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The asthmatic robot.

455
00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:29.460
Yeah, all those deckadroid things, draw deckers, whatever they

456
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call, the ball ones.

457
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Do you know what?

458
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There's more visual excitement in this than in an entire series of

459
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90s trek.

460
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Oh, yeah.

461
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I don't mean season.

462
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I mean, seven, 7 seasons.

463
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Look how stunning that looks.

464
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See, this reminds me of the end of Favour the Bold.

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All the spaceships there waiting to shoot.

466
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

467
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But I love the trap of the ships coming in, because they send out

468
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a, what, oh, good, what am I trying to say?

469
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Yeah, there's some kind of a distress call that the ship's

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called.

471
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So more come.

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They'll be destroyed.

473
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So more will come and eventually, well, we're in the same position

474
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as we were in series 3 of discovery.

475
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All the ships will be gone.

476
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Yeah.

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I love, I love how Dreadnock disables everyone here in a way

478
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that's non-lethal and also kind of slightly funny.

479
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And so having Jankum fall to the ground because suddenly he's a

480
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lot heavier, and then having rock fall on top of him because she's

481
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kind of massive, is kind of cute, later on Murf gets stuck to the

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wall.

483
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Like all of that sort of stuff is really good.

484
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Have I just missed the bit where Murph does the karate?

485
00:21:40.019 --> 00:21:41.339
No.

486
00:21:41.339 --> 00:21:43.680
Oh my god, that's my favourite scene.

487
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Thank you.

488
00:21:44.819 --> 00:21:46.799
So cute.

489
00:21:46.859 --> 00:21:51.599
Stupid blob manages to steal every episode is here.

490
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So here he is, there he is.

491
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So he does...

492
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It's like Yoda at the end of at the end.

493
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I mean, just imagine a bogey versus General Grievous.

494
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That's basically what you're seeing.

495
00:22:07.859 --> 00:22:12.599
But this is also doing that trick that Star Wars does of cutting

496
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between a comedy battle and between a serious character battle.

497
00:22:17.099 --> 00:22:18.900
Look where he's about to show him his ass.

498
00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:24.779
No, he went...

499
00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:26.339
Oh, it's so funny.

500
00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:31.559
And because they've established the stakes, you can have fun.

501
00:22:31.619 --> 00:22:33.240
Yeah, you can do it.

502
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Because you know this is a very serious situation.

503
00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:40.200
So that shot from the exterior of the protostar, just seeing the

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scale of the bridge from inside it and the fights.

505
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Now we're doing that fabulous scene from the end of Discovery

506
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Series 3 with the 2 ladies with the ruin beating...

507
00:22:50.700 --> 00:22:53.339
And I love watching 2 women going at each other.

508
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So we'll see more of that at the beginning of series 2, of course

509
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because uh, while um, uh, Gwen goes back to solem, so does Asencia

510
00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:07.920
and so she's, you know, trying to persuade them again to avoid 1st

511
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contact.

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Do you know why I don't object to it here, but I did object to it

513
00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:15.180
in Discovery Series 3 the last episode?

514
00:23:15.299 --> 00:23:17.039
It's because this is half the length.

515
00:23:17.099 --> 00:23:18.240
This goes by so fast.

516
00:23:18.299 --> 00:23:20.640
You know, like there is a lot of action here.

517
00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:24.119
But I don't know, it doesn't scrimp on the character.

518
00:23:24.180 --> 00:23:25.740
It doesn't scrimp on the stakes.

519
00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:29.339
But it does, it's with such brevity.

520
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:30.900
Like, this is only 22 minutes long.

521
00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:34.680
I think that was harder because you were coming in on a big epic

522
00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:39.059
finale that was 3 episodes long and you had only seen the last

523
00:23:39.059 --> 00:23:39.539
episode.

524
00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:43.200
No, that fight. off for a start. about 15 minutes, though.

525
00:23:43.259 --> 00:23:45.779
Yeah, it might have seemed like that.

526
00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:49.259
Oh, we go.

527
00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:50.400
So here we go.

528
00:23:50.460 --> 00:23:51.539
This is where she wins.

529
00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:52.859
Don't answer the phone.

530
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:53.700
There it is.

531
00:23:54.180 --> 00:23:58.079
And so that's the construct now able to send the message.

532
00:23:58.140 --> 00:24:01.740
And the visual of just making all of the ships turn the same red

533
00:24:01.740 --> 00:24:06.660
as the construct and making them kind of blind and evil, you know

534
00:24:06.660 --> 00:24:10.380
like you can't look out the windows, like, and they drift.

535
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:12.240
Look at how they just start drifting.

536
00:24:12.299 --> 00:24:15.960
There's like a short of all of the ships.

537
00:24:16.019 --> 00:24:18.359
It's got such scope to it.

538
00:24:18.420 --> 00:24:20.700
I mean, that's something I want to bring up with you, though, very

539
00:24:20.700 --> 00:24:21.059
quickly.

540
00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:22.259
Well, why is it?

541
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:25.380
noticed in Star Wars, and I've noticed it in Farscape, so you

542
00:24:25.380 --> 00:24:29.099
people are not exempt, and now in this, why are all the Brits, the

543
00:24:29.099 --> 00:24:29.519
evil people?

544
00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:33.539
Yeah, yeah, well, just history, I guess.

545
00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:38.099
I can't argue that.

546
00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:42.720
We were a little bit embarrassed by it if that counts, you know?

547
00:24:45.779 --> 00:24:49.619
Or just how, you know, inconsequential we are now.

548
00:24:50.099 --> 00:24:52.079
Yeah, that's right.

549
00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:52.799
That's right.

550
00:24:52.859 --> 00:24:55.200
Oh, this is so good, isn't it?

551
00:24:55.259 --> 00:24:57.240
It does look wrong, doesn't it?

552
00:24:57.299 --> 00:24:58.980
With all the those red lights on the ship.

553
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:00.539
There's the Defiant, by the way.

554
00:25:00.660 --> 00:25:01.559
I know.

555
00:25:01.619 --> 00:25:02.519
God, that made me hard.

556
00:25:02.579 --> 00:25:04.500
It's exciting, isn't it?

557
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:06.059
spaceships are blowing.

558
00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:07.380
I didn't see any rocks, though.

559
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:09.059
They should have done a couple of CGR riders.

560
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:09.779
I think they do that.

561
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:11.039
I don't think they do that.

562
00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:13.799
They've got the budget, that's why.

563
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:16.079
They don't need rocks.

564
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:21.059
Oh, that fire was so wonderful.

565
00:25:21.180 --> 00:25:24.900
I could have done without being 15 minutes long. out of it, doesn't

566
00:25:24.900 --> 00:25:25.079
she?

567
00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:36.059
So rock takes, um, Jenkins hand, freeze Murph, Murph, freeze, zero

568
00:25:36.059 --> 00:25:36.720
freeze.

569
00:25:36.779 --> 00:25:37.619
You know what I mean?

570
00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:39.240
Yes, of course.

571
00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:40.380
They're a team.

572
00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:43.019
And it isn't twe, though.

573
00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:44.279
It's not we.

574
00:25:44.339 --> 00:25:45.059
It just works.

575
00:25:45.180 --> 00:25:46.799
It's really great.

576
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:48.599
Oh, Murf.

577
00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:51.599
And I love Let's try that again.

578
00:25:51.660 --> 00:25:52.859
That's a great line.

579
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.779
That's so good, isn't it?

580
00:25:56.940 --> 00:26:00.720
It just, it really does feel as well.

581
00:26:00.779 --> 00:26:06.000
Like, this is the greatest threat the federation I've ever faced

582
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:06.359
you know?

583
00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:07.980
It's wonderful.

584
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:09.240
It feels huge.

585
00:26:09.299 --> 00:26:10.740
It feels like a movie.

586
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:17.579
Well, we do have a similar kind of situation, I think, in uh, at

587
00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:19.920
the end of Star Trek Picard.

588
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:23.400
Seriously, remember?

589
00:26:23.460 --> 00:26:24.359
Yeah, yeah.

590
00:26:24.420 --> 00:26:26.759
I think there's a sort of similarity there too.

591
00:26:27.059 --> 00:26:28.619
That was just the Borg again though, wasn't it?

592
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:29.700
Yes, that's true.

593
00:26:29.819 --> 00:26:30.480
That is true.

594
00:26:30.539 --> 00:26:33.480
They didn't have to, they weren't desperate in prodigy.

595
00:26:33.539 --> 00:26:35.700
They had their own their own fabulous.

596
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:36.299
Yes, it was.

597
00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:37.619
But remember, it was the Borg.

598
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:43.259
It was the Starfleet, the entire armada under the control of sort

599
00:26:43.259 --> 00:26:49.200
of the Borg and the Changelings, who had, you know, together at

600
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:52.619
last, and they were going to destroy themselves.

601
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.099
Oh, there was a lot.

602
00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:58.319
Just take the shot there of rocktock holding Murph.

603
00:26:58.380 --> 00:27:01.079
I mean, happen you not love these characters?

604
00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:03.119
Yeah, it's wonderful, isn't it?

605
00:27:03.299 --> 00:27:05.400
I am really sad though.

606
00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:07.259
I am sad because we're not hearing the music.

607
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:08.339
Listen to it this time.

608
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:10.920
And it is such a huge strength of this show.

609
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.500
Look at that. beautiful.

610
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:14.579
Where's he off to?

611
00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:16.200
He's dead.

612
00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:19.859
Apparently they put them to the Velna got caught when they're dead

613
00:27:19.859 --> 00:27:20.160
I suppose.

614
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:20.640
I don't know.

615
00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:21.779
Oh, geez.

616
00:27:21.779 --> 00:27:22.559
You know we back?

617
00:27:22.619 --> 00:27:24.720
It costs a lot of money to burn somebody, you know, that.

618
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:26.940
Economic.

619
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.420
He's back at the beginning of next year because of course they go

620
00:27:30.420 --> 00:27:35.460
back, they go into the past.

621
00:27:35.579 --> 00:27:39.240
Oh no, because he's already, he's he's in the present.

622
00:27:39.299 --> 00:27:43.259
Remember, he's old, but he's come back in time in order to be

623
00:27:43.259 --> 00:27:43.559
here.

624
00:27:43.619 --> 00:27:46.980
And so there's a version of him on Solom, who's younger.

625
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:50.460
I'm going to use this as my evidence now because you've got the

626
00:27:50.460 --> 00:27:51.480
brain size of a planet.

627
00:27:51.539 --> 00:27:54.779
And even if you keep track of it, trying to keep track of all of

628
00:27:54.779 --> 00:27:56.940
this. there's complicated stuff going on.

629
00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:01.619
But it is complicated and I didn't understand everything, but just

630
00:28:01.619 --> 00:28:03.839
scene to scene, I was enjoying everything.

631
00:28:03.900 --> 00:28:06.000
And that's an important difference.

632
00:28:06.059 --> 00:28:07.259
That's it.

633
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:12.599
You know what people want, and you know, in a given scene, and

634
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:13.619
that's the important thing.

635
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:16.859
You know what each scene is doing and it doesn't matter.

636
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:21.720
You know, the fact that they drop us in to a situation where, you

637
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:24.420
know, a bunch of stuff that happened last episode is still

638
00:28:24.420 --> 00:28:27.539
relevant, where the stuff that happened 10 episodes ago with a

639
00:28:27.539 --> 00:28:28.140
construct.

640
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:31.079
You know, we saw the construct in action and it destroyed a

641
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:34.799
federation outpost, so we know what's happening.

642
00:28:34.859 --> 00:28:37.259
You know, they've been avoiding the Federation for 10 episodes.

643
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:38.279
All of that stuff.

644
00:28:38.339 --> 00:28:40.920
We don't need to have seen it because we know how everyone feels

645
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:41.700
and what's going on.

646
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:46.259
But how light cars when tracked to hang kids something this clever

647
00:28:46.259 --> 00:28:48.900
this emotionally honest, this ambitious.

648
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:52.200
You know, kids deserve TV discs.

649
00:28:52.259 --> 00:28:53.220
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

650
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.019
Kids aren't watching telly anymore.

651
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.720
It's because they're usually given a diet of absolute bloody

652
00:28:57.720 --> 00:28:58.440
bilge.

653
00:28:58.559 --> 00:28:59.519
Yeah.

654
00:28:59.579 --> 00:29:05.039
So again, what's happening here too is a hark back to Tas Lamora

655
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:11.099
where they 1st appeared, the planet where they're from, where the

656
00:29:11.099 --> 00:29:15.660
great diviner didn't let them have universal translators so that

657
00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:18.960
they couldn't communicate and couldn't work together.

658
00:29:19.019 --> 00:29:22.140
And so everyone's scared of rock because they don't realise that

659
00:29:22.140 --> 00:29:23.700
she's a scared little girl.

660
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.519
Tossed Lemora.

661
00:29:26.579 --> 00:29:27.779
It's still Star Trek then.

662
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:30.539
Is there an apostrophe in there somewhere?

663
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.019
I think between the L and the M. Yes.

664
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.180
Yeah, no, no apostrophe in that.

665
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:41.519
But the van can't have an apostrophe, so you'll be pleased to...

666
00:29:41.579 --> 00:29:44.819
And the fact that she could speak all the languages was

667
00:29:44.819 --> 00:29:45.420
established.

668
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:46.920
We're leading up to this cliffhanger now.

669
00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:52.200
What I loved about it was it was a moment of jeopardy, but it was

670
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.079
building to a moment of jeopardy that's going to go on and on

671
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:58.019
until the Federation is gone.

672
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.079
So it's not that exact moment where it's like, 0 my god, how are

673
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:01.859
they going to get out of this?

674
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:03.900
It's anything that's going to happen.

675
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:04.920
That's a great cliffhanger.

676
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:06.299
It builds up.

677
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:08.039
I mean this is exciting now already.

678
00:30:08.099 --> 00:30:09.720
There's huge jeopardy.

679
00:30:09.779 --> 00:30:12.539
And this speech is so good.

680
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:13.799
It's so good.

681
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:15.900
But the focal performance of the Klingon.

682
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:19.500
She's like, I've got to do the real sort of snarling Klingon

683
00:30:19.500 --> 00:30:19.920
voice.

684
00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:20.519
I?

685
00:30:21.180 --> 00:30:25.140
But it is still better than Roxanne Dawson in faces.

686
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.000
Let's let's say that.

687
00:30:27.059 --> 00:30:30.299
What are you talking about?

688
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:34.319
Yeah, terrible.

689
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:35.940
And you know what?

690
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:39.539
I did love the beer where the Klingon ship came in and save

691
00:30:39.539 --> 00:30:40.200
Janeway.

692
00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:43.799
I did love that, but you know, for me, nothing will ever top that

693
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:45.180
moment in a sacrifice of angels.

694
00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:49.740
Where you cut to Jadzia as the Klingon ships coming in as wharf

695
00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:54.000
and her blue eyes are like, oh, yeah, he's the same.

696
00:30:54.059 --> 00:30:57.000
It's the same sort of thing, but it's great.

697
00:30:57.059 --> 00:31:02.880
It's really good to watching Janeway hear that speech that she's

698
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:03.240
given.

699
00:31:03.299 --> 00:31:07.440
And she'll say later on in the trial, that a year ago they'd never

700
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.819
even heard of the Federation, and now she knows what it is, and

701
00:31:11.819 --> 00:31:15.000
she's saying, you know, it's about belonging and how different you

702
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.819
are, and it doesn't matter how different you are.

703
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:18.660
You still belong.

704
00:31:18.660 --> 00:31:21.960
And it's, oh, look at rock holding Murph.

705
00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:23.039
It's so beautiful, isn't it?

706
00:31:23.099 --> 00:31:25.019
Um, Yeah.

707
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:26.400
Yeah, I just think it's really good.

708
00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:27.119
It's probably good.

709
00:31:27.180 --> 00:31:30.900
Yeah, but this doesn't feel overly sentimental in the way that

710
00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:33.180
Quality of Life did for me.

711
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:33.779
You know?

712
00:31:33.779 --> 00:31:34.799
I don't know.

713
00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:37.019
I think they just gauge it perfectly.

714
00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:41.759
Because, look, there's still a load of spaceships blowing up.

715
00:31:41.819 --> 00:31:43.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

716
00:31:43.259 --> 00:31:45.420
It looks so different.

717
00:31:45.420 --> 00:31:45.960
Look at it.

718
00:31:46.019 --> 00:31:48.480
That one sexy ship.

719
00:31:48.539 --> 00:31:51.900
Yeah, yeah. if I could date a spaceship, it would definitely be

720
00:31:51.900 --> 00:31:52.920
the defiant, you know.

721
00:31:53.220 --> 00:31:55.619
What the hell is that man?

722
00:31:55.619 --> 00:31:56.339
at the end of there.

723
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:57.839
What is he?

724
00:31:57.900 --> 00:31:59.759
With the bones in his head.

725
00:31:59.819 --> 00:32:00.839
It's a Tellerite.

726
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:02.460
Ah okay.

727
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:06.180
There's a Tellerite judge too at the hearing, but he's a Tellerite

728
00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:07.859
but that's Jason Alexander from...

729
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:08.880
We go, the Klingon.

730
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:09.660
Save the day.

731
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:10.440
Wonderful.

732
00:32:11.700 --> 00:32:14.640
You should have seen me washing this downstairs.

733
00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:15.900
I was crying, whooping.

734
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:17.579
I was having the best time.

735
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.799
I just couldn't get enough.

736
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.559
The shields look like these days. not getting enough of all those

737
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:27.059
spaceships following on each other.

738
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:28.200
So good.

739
00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:29.039
So great.

740
00:32:30.299 --> 00:32:34.319
So is this now how, oh, look at all the ships too.

741
00:32:34.380 --> 00:32:37.380
We get introduced, we get to introduce the children watching.

742
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:38.759
There's some Vulcan ships there.

743
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:41.700
There's a born ship.

744
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:43.259
Ferengi ship.

745
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:44.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

746
00:32:44.099 --> 00:32:44.579
That's right.

747
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:46.200
What the hell was that one?

748
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:48.660
That was sort of a long bit with a ring around it.

749
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:50.160
Real Vulcan ships.

750
00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:51.299
So what Vulcan ships look like.

751
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:52.259
I knew you would know.

752
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:53.099
I knew it.

753
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:56.940
You didn't study that book of spaceships for nothing.

754
00:32:58.619 --> 00:33:00.599
We survived, yeah.

755
00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:03.119
It's like it's like a moment of my God.

756
00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:04.380
Then another ship arrives.

757
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:08.579
The USS sovereign just arrived, like just appeared suddenly, and

758
00:33:08.579 --> 00:33:09.240
there we go.

759
00:33:10.140 --> 00:33:12.119
It's another thing.

760
00:33:12.180 --> 00:33:15.720
It's another thing that the DSI did well at that moment of

761
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:16.380
triumph.

762
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:18.420
Yes, you know, we're out of this now.

763
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:21.660
Like when they destroyed that catch so white facility and it's

764
00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:24.660
like, 0 shit, we've got no propulsion engines, it's going to take

765
00:33:24.660 --> 00:33:25.799
us 3 months to get home.

766
00:33:25.859 --> 00:33:28.019
You know, like, I love that, though.

767
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.200
It's like really playing with your emotions because I thought, well

768
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:32.220
there's another episode.

769
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.339
How the hell, what's danger going to be in?

770
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:36.299
Yeah, in the last episode.

771
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:36.839
Yeah.

772
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:43.619
And it was just so well explained because, you know, you can

773
00:33:43.619 --> 00:33:45.000
handle a lot of technobabble.

774
00:33:45.059 --> 00:33:48.359
I need things explained to me on a more functional level.

775
00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:51.720
And the way they explain the danger that's coming.

776
00:33:51.779 --> 00:33:52.500
Yeah.

777
00:33:52.500 --> 00:33:54.960
It satisfies both of us.

778
00:33:55.019 --> 00:33:57.059
Dal helps, doesn't he?

779
00:33:57.180 --> 00:33:59.700
He says, I know the universal translators are working again, but

780
00:33:59.700 --> 00:34:00.059
what?

781
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:01.920
You know, like what's happening?

782
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:07.200
The flame tearing through the ships as they're being destroyed.

783
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.980
Like, this feels apocalyptic. love it.

784
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.199
Yeah, it's really good, isn't it?

785
00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:15.840
There's another sheep arriving in the background of that shot and

786
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.440
another one. and they just arrive and turn red and start being

787
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:19.739
shot.

788
00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:20.400
It's incredible.

789
00:34:20.460 --> 00:34:21.900
Like, there was a time.

790
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.179
There was a time when, do you remember in Star Trek 6 where you

791
00:34:24.179 --> 00:34:28.019
finally got to see like proper action inside, you know, and the

792
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:31.440
Klingon shit being blown up from the inside and the Klingon flying

793
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.679
down and that to us was like massively cinematic.

794
00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:37.079
Now they're doing it here on prodigy.

795
00:34:37.139 --> 00:34:37.559
Yeah, yeah.

796
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:39.239
It just looked like a power away scene.

797
00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:40.860
It's crazy.

798
00:34:41.099 --> 00:34:45.179
Oh my god, that is such a brilliant episode.

799
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.079
Like one of one of my favourite surprises that we've done in

800
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:50.579
Untitled Star Trek Project so far.

801
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.079
How good this is.

802
00:34:52.139 --> 00:34:52.739
Yeah.

803
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:57.119
It doesn't have to be this good, I don't think.

804
00:34:57.179 --> 00:34:58.320
Yeah.

805
00:34:58.380 --> 00:34:59.519
It's a great shame.

806
00:34:59.579 --> 00:34:59.880
Look at.

807
00:34:59.940 --> 00:35:03.420
I mean, we don't know if it comes back after series two.

808
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:05.219
I still haven't watched the end of it.

809
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.079
I still don't know how series 2 ends.

810
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.960
I think 40 episodes is a fair run, though, you know.

811
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:13.980
It is a fair run, and it does end in a good way.

812
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:17.820
And you can see like next week's episode, the one we're about to

813
00:35:17.820 --> 00:35:24.599
watch Supernova part 2 is very clearly designed to possibly be the

814
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:26.099
last episode ever.

815
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:26.699
Yeah.

816
00:35:26.699 --> 00:35:27.059
Yeah.

817
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:29.460
And it does a very good job.

818
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:35.099
As you said before, of doing what Voyager failed to do.

819
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:38.940
And, and you know, people say, oh, it would have been great if

820
00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:42.179
we'd had 5 episodes or something back on Earth.

821
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:43.079
And that's ridiculous.

822
00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:45.960
That's not what we're tuning in for and that's not what should

823
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:46.619
happen.

824
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:47.940
Excuse me.

825
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:49.079
I said that.

826
00:35:49.139 --> 00:35:50.760
Yeah, yeah absurd.

827
00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:56.820
And so, um, but what this does is it solves the problem in about

828
00:35:56.820 --> 00:36:00.960
10 minutes around about halfway through and it has more than 10

829
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.940
minutes to wrap things up.

830
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:08.760
And the thing it does, the trick it does is just as Endgame can

831
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:11.820
only be saved by having a spare Janeway.

832
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.099
This has a spare Janeway as well.

833
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:17.460
So we can afford to lose hologram Janeway here.

834
00:36:17.579 --> 00:36:20.760
Even though she's a different character from Janeway, we'll still

835
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:21.300
have Kate.

836
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:25.380
We'll still have Janeway for the 2nd season, but it makes us care

837
00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:29.280
about hologram Janeway, because I think that scene is incredibly

838
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:29.820
moving.

839
00:36:29.820 --> 00:36:31.860
It's gorgeous.

840
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:38.400
It's really good and it's because often rises will kind of go, oh

841
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:40.019
can we just not do that scene?

842
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:42.840
Can we not do the scene where someone discovers someone's dead?

843
00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:45.539
That's really hard and it's kind of heartbreaking.

844
00:36:45.659 --> 00:36:47.280
And this is a kid show.

845
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:51.900
And like a character who's been with them for 20 episodes dies.

846
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.320
And, you know, the kids at home know that Janeway is still in it

847
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:56.400
and she's fine.

848
00:36:56.460 --> 00:37:00.900
But the kids cry and they realise that it's happening.

849
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:02.039
Do you know what I mean?

850
00:37:02.099 --> 00:37:04.019
They sort of learn that it's happening during the course of the

851
00:37:04.019 --> 00:37:04.500
conversation.

852
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:06.719
They're not immediately short.

853
00:37:06.780 --> 00:37:07.860
Can we see them discover?

854
00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:09.780
The best kids shows.

855
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.179
Press gang, Sarah Jane Adventures, this.

856
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:17.039
They go to these places because kids feel things like adults, you

857
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:17.280
know?

858
00:37:17.340 --> 00:37:19.739
And we should not be showing that on TV.

859
00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:22.199
No, I think it was.

860
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.440
There's a massive difference for me, though, between how, because

861
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.739
you know, I wasn't happy with Endgame on pretty much any level

862
00:37:28.739 --> 00:37:33.059
apart from perhaps visually, occasionally, with how Janeway is

863
00:37:33.059 --> 00:37:36.900
handled there and here, here, you've had Janeway in it for most of

864
00:37:36.900 --> 00:37:38.940
the season. this hologram Jayway.

865
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:42.900
And what's important is what she means to these characters.

866
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.659
She's the one that teaches them.

867
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.579
She's the one that brings them all together.

868
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:49.500
She is like their mentor.

869
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.960
In Endgame, you just had older Janeway going back.

870
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:53.579
And she meant nothing to nobody.

871
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:57.599
But you know, it was basically her story, but we've not been

872
00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:58.980
following her story for 7 years.

873
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:03.420
It was all very odd in a way that Voyager very often was.

874
00:38:03.539 --> 00:38:07.800
So again, I think they're taking the inspiration, but they're

875
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:08.340
getting it right.

876
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:09.780
Yeah, yeah.

877
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:13.500
Well, I mean, because Endgame starts with that fake future that

878
00:38:13.500 --> 00:38:15.480
isn't going to end up happening.

879
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:22.380
And that's something that we already did in all good things, so we

880
00:38:22.380 --> 00:38:24.300
didn't need to see it again.

881
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.320
And it's not as good as what we saw in all good things.

882
00:38:28.380 --> 00:38:29.579
To be fair.

883
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:31.199
We did it in timeless as well.

884
00:38:31.260 --> 00:38:33.179
So like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

885
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:34.139
We'd already been there.

886
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:34.679
That's right.

887
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:40.019
And so you kind of think, well, maybe we have a 2 parter.

888
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:41.340
We do what this does.

889
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:45.840
We escalate for the cliffhanger, because even though it was all

890
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:47.760
shown as one episode in syndication.

891
00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:48.539
It's 2 parts.

892
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:52.320
We escalated the cliffhanger, just like this one did. 10 minutes

893
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:54.059
in we resolve the cliffhanger.

894
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:57.300
We arrive on earth, and then we get some sense of what their

895
00:38:57.300 --> 00:39:00.420
reception is like and what future faces them.

896
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:06.840
And I think that that works incredibly well here, you know, because

897
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.960
they reach their goal, because they have a more specific goal.

898
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.900
It's not just get to earth that is getting to Starfleet.

899
00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:16.739
And so they reach that goal and then there's something ahead of

900
00:39:16.739 --> 00:39:17.099
them.

901
00:39:17.099 --> 00:39:20.940
And if the writers had had the wit to do that with the characters

902
00:39:20.940 --> 00:39:25.139
or let us get a sense of where they were going next, we wouldn't

903
00:39:25.139 --> 00:39:28.260
have been so disappointed by how that ended.

904
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:31.860
But do you remember what the Cliffhanger was between Endgame one

905
00:39:31.860 --> 00:39:32.219
and two?

906
00:39:32.340 --> 00:39:35.340
It was the 2 Janeways meeting, wasn't it?

907
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:41.940
No, it was just cut to Borgship and Susanna Thompson as the ball

908
00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:43.199
queen is revealed.

909
00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:45.900
And she goes, aha.

910
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:49.019
And she's watching the 2 Jane waves on the screen. cut to

911
00:39:49.019 --> 00:39:49.440
credits.

912
00:39:49.500 --> 00:39:51.420
Something else we've done before, you know?

913
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:56.280
Yeah, this episode, which is half the length of Endgame part one

914
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.400
comes to an enormous climax.

915
00:39:59.460 --> 00:40:03.960
You know, where the whole of the Federation is a threat, you know

916
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:05.280
and a plausible threat of that.

917
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:10.019
I don't think you can really compare the 2 because when you start

918
00:40:10.019 --> 00:40:10.619
doing it.

919
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:13.860
Unfortunately, for which ends up in the dust.

920
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:15.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah. easy.

921
00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:17.400
Go with the kids show.

922
00:40:17.460 --> 00:40:18.420
Exactly.

923
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:19.800
Well, what do you think?

924
00:40:19.860 --> 00:40:20.400
Should we go in?

925
00:40:20.699 --> 00:40:26.579
Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

926
00:40:27.659 --> 00:40:33.179
We're doing the traditional, um, part one and part 2 as well from

927
00:40:33.179 --> 00:40:34.739
the old next generation days.

928
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.860
We're not doing the D Space 9 approach of 2 different titles

929
00:40:37.860 --> 00:40:39.900
between episode one and episode two.

930
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:40.800
Yeah.

931
00:40:40.860 --> 00:40:46.440
Although it is Roman, it is Arabic numerals, though, it's part one

932
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:46.739
part two.

933
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:48.360
It's not Roman numerals for change.

934
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:53.699
Um, not a very interesting observation, but it is a thing that I

935
00:40:53.699 --> 00:40:54.059
noticed.

936
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:56.940
Always get educated by you on this.

937
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:00.719
One way or another.

938
00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:04.139
Well, I think we do our bit about how great these titles are again

939
00:41:04.139 --> 00:41:05.699
because they are incredibly great.

940
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:09.719
Look at those amorphous blobs that the ship's going around.

941
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:11.219
It's nice gray.

942
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:13.860
Yeah, the hands.

943
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:15.179
Ah, so gorgeous.

944
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:16.260
It's so good.

945
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:20.880
So it's the only thing, frankly, that could tear me away from your

946
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:24.360
gorgeous face is looking at these tiles.

947
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:26.519
But I think looking at the whole show.

948
00:41:26.579 --> 00:41:28.559
I mean, the show looks so beautiful.

949
00:41:29.099 --> 00:41:31.619
I mean, they chose the right time, right?

950
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:36.900
10, 15 years earlier, it just wouldn't be as polished, so you

951
00:41:36.900 --> 00:41:37.440
couldn't have done it.

952
00:41:37.500 --> 00:41:38.519
Yeah, yeah.

953
00:41:38.579 --> 00:41:42.119
Or they would have had to have been less ambitious, and that would

954
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:42.719
have been a shame.

955
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:47.039
Yeah, yeah, it just looks beautiful, doesn't it?

956
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:51.239
It reminds me of a sort of a fabulous javelin, you know?

957
00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:53.940
Yeah, or good looking sheep.

958
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.500
It is a great looking sheep.

959
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:59.219
I think we miss it because I think it's a bit like the top of a

960
00:41:59.219 --> 00:42:00.239
you know, like a fountain pen.

961
00:42:00.300 --> 00:42:01.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

962
00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:02.340
That sort of arrow.

963
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:03.659
Yeah, it's gorgeous.

964
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:08.400
It still has a kind of basic trowel shape that Voyager has, I

965
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:08.579
think.

966
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:09.719
You see what they're doing?

967
00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:12.840
They open on this graveyard of spaceships.

968
00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:15.840
It's the it's the money shot from Best of Both Wells part two.

969
00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:16.320
Exactly.

970
00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:17.820
They're opening with it.

971
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:19.500
We throw it away.

972
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:23.579
We're still doing the, you know, we do the same speech, but it's

973
00:42:23.579 --> 00:42:27.059
reshot or it's from a different angle because we're going down

974
00:42:27.059 --> 00:42:30.480
onto the bridge and she's still doing the same dialogue.

975
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:32.579
And that second.

976
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.139
Dal comes up with the solution we have to destroy the protostar.

977
00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:39.960
And so we actually solved the problem.

978
00:42:40.019 --> 00:42:43.440
You know, we come up with the problem, the solution of the problem

979
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:44.820
almost just immediately.

980
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:49.440
But the, and this is where they do the, the bravest thing you

981
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:54.300
could possibly do in a show, that even DS9 wasn't brave enough to

982
00:42:54.300 --> 00:42:54.719
do this.

983
00:42:54.780 --> 00:42:57.239
They flirted with it when they kicked everyone off the station.

984
00:42:57.300 --> 00:43:00.960
But after 6 episodes, they brought them back and it was the status

985
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:01.860
quo again.

986
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:06.719
They destroy the ship and fundamentally change what the show is.

987
00:43:06.780 --> 00:43:09.719
We're on earth now, and it's a completely different show in

988
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:11.519
episode two. same characters.

989
00:43:11.579 --> 00:43:12.900
Different premise.

990
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:14.159
Yeah.

991
00:43:14.219 --> 00:43:17.940
And we do have a spare proto-star, remember, because we have the

992
00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:25.320
proto-star from the future before it gets destroyed, before

993
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:29.219
Chakotay sends it off to be discovered at times.

994
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:31.619
It's like they don't have any power anymore.

995
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:32.760
They don't have their own ship.

996
00:43:32.820 --> 00:43:34.440
They're cadets in the academy.

997
00:43:34.500 --> 00:43:36.960
Oh, they feel utterly constrained.

998
00:43:37.019 --> 00:43:38.940
They're on a starship with Janeway.

999
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.280
They're just kids now, you know?

1000
00:43:41.340 --> 00:43:43.019
They're not in charge anymore.

1001
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.659
That's different It works really well for Dow, too, who has

1002
00:43:45.659 --> 00:43:48.659
learned to be a generous and brave captain.

1003
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:53.039
Look, he's offering to go down with the ship right now.

1004
00:43:53.099 --> 00:43:55.199
Like he's saying, I'll go down with the ship.

1005
00:43:55.260 --> 00:43:57.599
She'll help you get into Starfleet.

1006
00:43:57.659 --> 00:43:58.800
She can't help me.

1007
00:43:58.860 --> 00:44:00.360
That line reading's not quite right.

1008
00:44:00.420 --> 00:44:01.619
She can't help me.

1009
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:02.639
She'll let you do it.

1010
00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:04.920
And so he's going to sacrifice himself, you know.

1011
00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:07.860
And of course, it's Janeway.

1012
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.559
Of course she would sacrifice herself.

1013
00:44:10.619 --> 00:44:11.940
And you know what?

1014
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.300
I was really listening to Kate Mulgrew's line readings now.

1015
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:18.480
Like, her voice has changed because you listen to her in

1016
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:19.980
conventions and it is deeper.

1017
00:44:20.099 --> 00:44:21.239
She takes it back.

1018
00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:25.019
I think I think she captures her old Janeway voice really well.

1019
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:26.880
I think she may have done a bit of work, you know?

1020
00:44:27.659 --> 00:44:32.760
But shit, because this is said like 8 years, I think, after

1021
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:34.619
Voyager gets home or something like that.

1022
00:44:34.739 --> 00:44:39.179
So it's she's a bit older, because this is sort of season one

1023
00:44:39.179 --> 00:44:40.679
Janeway, in a way, isn't it?

1024
00:44:40.739 --> 00:44:42.179
Like Command Janeway.

1025
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:44.159
He's got sort of season one hand.

1026
00:44:44.219 --> 00:44:45.059
The bum.

1027
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:45.360
Yeah.

1028
00:44:50.579 --> 00:44:52.139
This looks so good.

1029
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:54.300
It's gorgeous, isn't it?

1030
00:44:54.780 --> 00:44:58.739
And yeah, the thing the thing this has over sacrifice angels

1031
00:44:58.739 --> 00:45:01.800
because they got the money to linger on these shots for a lot

1032
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:04.559
longer than they otherwise would have done in 90s trek.

1033
00:45:04.619 --> 00:45:05.699
Yeah that's right.

1034
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:09.179
And it's cheaper to make this stuff and easier to make this stuff

1035
00:45:09.179 --> 00:45:12.420
than it was then, you know, like they can make this thing look

1036
00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:16.199
stunning on much less money than it would have cost Deep Space

1037
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:16.559
Nine.

1038
00:45:16.619 --> 00:45:19.800
And so now we just put the planning to action.

1039
00:45:19.860 --> 00:45:22.860
This stuff must take ages to create.

1040
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:25.559
Oh, no, no, I'm not saying they're knocking up. extraordinarily

1041
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:27.000
detailed and beautiful.

1042
00:45:27.059 --> 00:45:29.340
They absolutely push it as far as they can.

1043
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:34.139
I mean, I admire these people that put together animated shows.

1044
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:36.719
The patience they must have for a single frame.

1045
00:45:36.780 --> 00:45:38.400
Yeah, it's incredible.

1046
00:45:38.460 --> 00:45:44.579
So this is the, the, um, the replicator that replicates the

1047
00:45:44.579 --> 00:45:50.760
shuttles, um, which we did see very, very early on in series one.

1048
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:52.980
We saw it in action.

1049
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:54.300
So it's already established.

1050
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:57.059
And so it looks...

1051
00:45:57.119 --> 00:45:59.880
We've come in handy many a time, you know, in Nighty's trek.

1052
00:45:59.940 --> 00:46:03.659
Yes, well, we could assume that they just had one, which is why

1053
00:46:03.659 --> 00:46:05.519
they had so many...

1054
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:08.400
Imagine that bit where...

1055
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:11.760
So you just see 1000000s of runabouts spitting out on the

1056
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:12.539
replication.

1057
00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:17.219
And of course, it looks like a 3D printer and no one in 90 Strike

1058
00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:19.199
knew what that looked like and that's pretty cool too.

1059
00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:22.500
So this, she's lying to him now.

1060
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:25.679
In order to get them onto the ship.

1061
00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:28.380
Don't know, do they, until it's all happened?

1062
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:29.159
Yeah.

1063
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:34.320
So it is a good boy, but it's not like a, a, a, forgive me.

1064
00:46:34.380 --> 00:46:36.719
Discovery series 2 episode.

1065
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:37.739
Yeah, yeah.

1066
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:38.519
Goodbye.

1067
00:46:38.579 --> 00:46:40.739
A gloopy, endless goodbye.

1068
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:42.780
It's like a, I'll see you later.

1069
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:45.300
Good luck, you know.

1070
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:46.559
Which I like.

1071
00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:48.719
Yeah, me too.

1072
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:51.300
Go figure.

1073
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:54.119
The TV aimed at kids is less gloopy.

1074
00:46:54.300 --> 00:46:56.159
Yeah, that's right.

1075
00:46:56.219 --> 00:47:00.659
I do love I love how Rock describes it because it's a proto-star

1076
00:47:00.659 --> 00:47:03.059
in there doing the proto-star drive.

1077
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:06.420
And so by freeing the proto star, creating a supernova.

1078
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:11.159
That little star gets to be a star, and in a way, that's a

1079
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:13.440
metaphor for what's happening with the kids, isn't it?

1080
00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:17.579
You know, they're kids on the ship and something bigger is about

1081
00:47:17.579 --> 00:47:18.000
to happen.

1082
00:47:18.059 --> 00:47:21.960
Look at this shot of, it's her point of view, seeing them for the

1083
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.119
last time and them seeing her for the last time.

1084
00:47:24.179 --> 00:47:27.059
And look at Absolutely.

1085
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:31.559
This absolutely kills that argument that people have about

1086
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:35.639
holograms in Star Trek, not being characters that we can care

1087
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:35.940
about.

1088
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:37.559
Screw you people.

1089
00:47:37.619 --> 00:47:38.820
This is very moving.

1090
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:40.380
Well, that's right.

1091
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:42.360
We had the doctor do that job as well.

1092
00:47:42.420 --> 00:47:46.320
The doctor made it clear to us that holograms were people at this

1093
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:46.679
point.

1094
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:49.019
I think that people just don't like Vic.

1095
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.239
Yeah, so that might be an issue.

1096
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:55.019
And they're trying to find out... where it just falls out the back

1097
00:47:55.019 --> 00:47:55.619
of the ship.

1098
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:58.019
Oh, the music.

1099
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.199
The music during the scene was staggering.

1100
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:02.639
And look at them all holding hands.

1101
00:48:02.699 --> 00:48:06.360
They all hold hands and they all have weird alien hands, you know

1102
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:08.940
that they're holding, like they're all holding each other's hands

1103
00:48:08.940 --> 00:48:12.300
and then the last of them are those 2 who had that awkward moment

1104
00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:14.280
last episode where he kissed her.

1105
00:48:14.340 --> 00:48:16.739
And like they're all holding hands with one another.

1106
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:18.360
It's so simple and so beautiful.

1107
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:22.199
And they're all so different.

1108
00:48:22.260 --> 00:48:24.059
You know, they're all so weird and different.

1109
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:24.840
It's great.

1110
00:48:24.900 --> 00:48:27.900
And he looks up and sees it disappear.

1111
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:29.880
That's so great.

1112
00:48:29.940 --> 00:48:33.659
Watching the ship from their point of view going out into before

1113
00:48:33.659 --> 00:48:34.260
we lose it.

1114
00:48:34.500 --> 00:48:37.199
You are right. such a gorgeous shit.

1115
00:48:37.260 --> 00:48:37.800
What a shame.

1116
00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:38.820
What a waste.

1117
00:48:39.659 --> 00:48:42.360
There had to be a sacrifice, right?

1118
00:48:42.420 --> 00:48:46.739
And there is a human, if you'll forgive the term, sacrifice, and

1119
00:48:46.739 --> 00:48:48.719
there is a technological sacrifice as well.

1120
00:48:48.780 --> 00:48:50.760
And they're both things we've come.

1121
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:53.820
We've become very accustomed to, you know?

1122
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:54.179
Yeah.

1123
00:48:54.179 --> 00:48:55.019
Yeah.

1124
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.800
But it is also, yeah, I mean, it is beautiful. you have to lose

1125
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.679
something in order for these endings to mean something.

1126
00:49:01.739 --> 00:49:02.340
Exactly.

1127
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:04.559
Go fast.

1128
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.440
No, if they killed one of the kids, I just never would have

1129
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:08.099
forgiven them.

1130
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:08.880
They could never do that.

1131
00:49:08.940 --> 00:49:10.199
They could never have done that.

1132
00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:13.139
And we saw that, you know, where she goes.

1133
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.360
Wow, look at that explosion.

1134
00:49:15.659 --> 00:49:18.360
It's all sort of rainbow colours.

1135
00:49:18.420 --> 00:49:20.340
It's like a gorgeous supernova.

1136
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:23.639
Yeah, something that you would never have seen in a live action

1137
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:27.300
Star Trek, but something that's stunningly beautiful like that's

1138
00:49:27.300 --> 00:49:28.440
what she becomes.

1139
00:49:28.500 --> 00:49:32.579
They don't know that she's dead yet too. we're about to see that

1140
00:49:32.579 --> 00:49:33.119
aren't we?

1141
00:49:33.300 --> 00:49:36.119
Oh, it was like...

1142
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:37.980
The formation of a galaxy. gorgeous.

1143
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:38.579
Yeah.

1144
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:44.400
Back to the action. to the action.

1145
00:49:44.460 --> 00:49:45.539
Back to the trailer.

1146
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:48.900
Enough character back to the shoe here.

1147
00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:53.760
I do love J.W. streak of gray in her head. you like that?

1148
00:49:53.820 --> 00:49:54.900
Sorry?

1149
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:57.239
A streak of gray in her hair.

1150
00:49:57.300 --> 00:49:58.440
Yeah, yeah, it looks great.

1151
00:49:58.440 --> 00:49:59.820
Just to denote the age a little bit.

1152
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:01.559
Yeah, it's really good.

1153
00:50:01.619 --> 00:50:04.500
And so now now they're back.

1154
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:05.460
Do you know what I mean?

1155
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:06.300
The problem is solved.

1156
00:50:06.420 --> 00:50:08.639
That's it. 10 minutes in?

1157
00:50:08.699 --> 00:50:09.179
Where are we?

1158
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:13.320
Yeah, not quite 10 minutes in. a wonderful episode of problem.

1159
00:50:13.380 --> 00:50:16.920
Star Trek prodigy that was Q credits and the end.

1160
00:50:17.099 --> 00:50:19.619
What do you mean, we've still got 10 minutes left.

1161
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:24.000
We've got over 10 minutes. like, you know, 12 minutes, more than

1162
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:24.539
half the episode.

1163
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:26.340
Can I speak to the lawyers, please?

1164
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:28.260
We don't do this sort of thing in Star Trek, okay?

1165
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:29.639
This is where we end.

1166
00:50:29.699 --> 00:50:31.079
That's right.

1167
00:50:31.139 --> 00:50:33.179
And so now here's Janeway.

1168
00:50:33.300 --> 00:50:34.199
Oh, my God.

1169
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.539
And I just think the scene is beautiful because of the kids

1170
00:50:36.539 --> 00:50:37.019
reaction.

1171
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:39.539
It's why is Janeway tiny.

1172
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:41.340
And doesn't he poker?

1173
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:43.019
Like it's...

1174
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:43.559
He does.

1175
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:51.119
But it really, it really justifies the relationship as well

1176
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:53.219
between the kids and the hologram.

1177
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:54.780
Yeah, yeah.

1178
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:58.679
But just remember that Down was really resistant to her as well.

1179
00:50:59.460 --> 00:51:01.559
Oh, look at Murph.

1180
00:51:01.619 --> 00:51:02.760
Murph's touching up.

1181
00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:04.320
Yeah, Murph's touching it.

1182
00:51:04.380 --> 00:51:04.980
That's so good.

1183
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:06.480
I want a Murph toy so badly.

1184
00:51:06.539 --> 00:51:08.219
Oh, he's so adorable.

1185
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:11.340
Oh, look. you know what?

1186
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:12.000
I love you.

1187
00:51:12.059 --> 00:51:14.820
I said this to you, every time we've done one of these, that, uh

1188
00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:16.800
what the light in size zero.

1189
00:51:16.860 --> 00:51:19.260
It's hypnotic, isn't it?

1190
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:20.519
You can meditate to that.

1191
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:21.539
Yeah.

1192
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:23.880
Oh.

1193
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:27.840
She stayed on the shit.

1194
00:51:27.900 --> 00:51:28.440
Yeah.

1195
00:51:29.099 --> 00:51:32.159
Oh my god, someone give that rock a hug.

1196
00:51:32.219 --> 00:51:33.360
Oh, Murph did it.

1197
00:51:33.420 --> 00:51:34.199
Oh, yeah, look.

1198
00:51:34.260 --> 00:51:37.980
Oh, oh, no, Murf is stroking her face.

1199
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:41.760
That's just, and look, and Jankum.

1200
00:51:41.820 --> 00:51:43.679
Jenkins.

1201
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:44.579
I'm understated, though.

1202
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:45.420
It isn't too much.

1203
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:46.739
It is...

1204
00:51:46.739 --> 00:51:49.440
No, it isn't too much. stricken, aren't they?

1205
00:51:49.500 --> 00:51:51.480
Like there's...

1206
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:53.159
And that's really good.

1207
00:51:53.219 --> 00:51:57.780
Like having them actually tell us in dialogue that they've worked

1208
00:51:57.780 --> 00:51:59.280
out what's happened to her.

1209
00:51:59.340 --> 00:52:04.739
Um, And just seeing their reactions, just seeing how strict and

1210
00:52:04.739 --> 00:52:05.519
they all are.

1211
00:52:05.579 --> 00:52:07.380
I love a beautiful speech.

1212
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:08.579
You think you need me.

1213
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:10.559
I think you grow.

1214
00:52:10.619 --> 00:52:13.860
I know you're capable of doing this off you go.

1215
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:17.340
Yeah, no, go boldly.

1216
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.820
And then she goes, oh, it's lovely.

1217
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.099
It's really, see, I can like this stuff.

1218
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:24.480
Yeah I love that.

1219
00:52:24.539 --> 00:52:25.860
I just think that's really sweet.

1220
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.019
And I think go boldly is perfect.

1221
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.380
Like absolutely the perfect thing for her to say to them.

1222
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:33.659
Whoa, it's very Star Trek.

1223
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:35.099
Yeah, of course.

1224
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:35.880
It's wonderful.

1225
00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:36.780
That's exactly why.

1226
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:37.860
Look at that.

1227
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:38.760
Fabulous.

1228
00:52:38.820 --> 00:52:39.719
Beautiful Sean.

1229
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:44.940
Oh, and earth has never looked more beautiful. than in these last

1230
00:52:44.940 --> 00:52:45.420
days.

1231
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:46.079
Yeah, yeah.

1232
00:52:46.139 --> 00:52:47.760
So we're in San Francisco.

1233
00:52:47.820 --> 00:52:52.679
We're not having to go to that hideous water reclamation plant to

1234
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:53.400
show the academy.

1235
00:52:53.460 --> 00:52:54.300
That's right.

1236
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:58.199
They get when they go up the stairs, it's a wonderful moment and

1237
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:01.980
it's a huge building towering over them. like, this is what we

1238
00:53:01.980 --> 00:53:02.940
wanted to see all along.

1239
00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:04.079
Yeah exactly.

1240
00:53:05.340 --> 00:53:07.260
Time for a trial?

1241
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:11.460
Well, no, 1st we've got this scene where we're setting up what's

1242
00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:12.599
going to happen in series two.

1243
00:53:12.659 --> 00:53:15.719
So we get the message from Chakotay in the future.

1244
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:18.059
So...

1245
00:53:19.019 --> 00:53:21.840
And obviously he'll be back.

1246
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:27.059
Yeah, so we got the message from Chakotay. and we get the idea

1247
00:53:27.059 --> 00:53:30.300
that we're gonna go and rescue him in the future.

1248
00:53:30.780 --> 00:53:35.280
Maybe, you know, in this series, at the end of series two.

1249
00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:37.739
Maybe Jane Wench, Kotay, can actually get it on.

1250
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:39.119
If they do that as well.

1251
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:40.739
If they do that as well.

1252
00:53:41.099 --> 00:53:44.699
They are finally rectifying all of Voyager's mistakes.

1253
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:46.260
Yeah, yeah.

1254
00:53:46.860 --> 00:53:53.400
Ah I mean, you know, the facing the consequences at the end of the

1255
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:54.239
big epic.

1256
00:53:54.300 --> 00:53:56.519
I mean, what was the Star Trek film that did that?

1257
00:53:56.579 --> 00:53:57.059
Was it three?

1258
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:58.860
when they destroyed the Enterprise into four?

1259
00:53:58.920 --> 00:53:59.699
No.

1260
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:00.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1261
00:54:00.780 --> 00:54:03.300
Was it forward to faster down to captain?

1262
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:04.559
Yeah.

1263
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:05.940
It's very like that though, isn't it?

1264
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:06.840
It's like, okay.

1265
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:12.960
But these two, hologram Janeway creates the rift in order to

1266
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:17.219
rescue Chakotay for real Janeway's benefit.

1267
00:54:17.940 --> 00:54:19.980
Which I think is good.

1268
00:54:20.699 --> 00:54:23.099
Could have been any other character.

1269
00:54:23.820 --> 00:54:28.199
Yeah, but you know, we'll get the doctor in person and then we'll

1270
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:29.039
get the medium of it.

1271
00:54:29.099 --> 00:54:32.099
I mean, at least she's not trying to... starship.

1272
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:33.840
We've got to go and save the doctor.

1273
00:54:33.900 --> 00:54:35.639
I would have been all over it, yeah?

1274
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:41.039
Oh, look, it just says on the subtitles, Hopeful Music.

1275
00:54:41.099 --> 00:54:42.179
Yeah.

1276
00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:45.300
Oh here we go.

1277
00:54:46.139 --> 00:54:48.420
This is Voyager Return.

1278
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:50.400
I can see you returning him, which?

1279
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:51.659
No, it's not.

1280
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:52.739
It's a load of runabout.

1281
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:54.539
Oh, look how gorgeous the runabouts look.

1282
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:59.880
But I'm also getting a sort of end of Star Trek 4 vibe as well, you

1283
00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:03.780
know, where they're on the shuttle in the in San Francisco Bay.

1284
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:07.500
Oh, I love that so much.

1285
00:55:08.579 --> 00:55:09.960
Yeah.

1286
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:16.440
Look at them smiling as their list of crimes is being read out

1287
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:18.840
because these are all the fun adventures they had.

1288
00:55:18.900 --> 00:55:20.760
Well, she goes, you've done.

1289
00:55:20.820 --> 00:55:23.639
This, this, this, this, and this, all in the effort to warn us.

1290
00:55:23.699 --> 00:55:25.739
I then look straight at the judge.

1291
00:55:26.820 --> 00:55:28.440
Oh, man.

1292
00:55:28.500 --> 00:55:30.480
I really love Janeway.

1293
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:33.179
Yeah.

1294
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:36.059
It was a great call. putting her in this show.

1295
00:55:36.179 --> 00:55:38.340
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1296
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:41.159
Well, if you can get it, you know, and it was that thing where she

1297
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:42.179
read the script, wasn't it?

1298
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:44.820
She said, no, I'm not doing any more Star Trek.

1299
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:46.260
No, she had the reaction that we all did.

1300
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:47.099
Oh, kids show.

1301
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:48.539
Star Trek kids show.

1302
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:52.380
I never read the script and went, get my Asian on the phone. do

1303
00:55:52.380 --> 00:55:52.500
it.

1304
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.000
Yeah, this is really terrific, isn't it?

1305
00:55:54.059 --> 00:55:55.920
And it's just the perplexity of it.

1306
00:55:55.980 --> 00:55:57.480
Get my agent on the phone.

1307
00:55:57.539 --> 00:56:04.559
I'll do it Is there more exploration of zero in series two?

1308
00:56:04.619 --> 00:56:05.880
No, I don't know.

1309
00:56:05.940 --> 00:56:08.159
Like I said, I haven't gone that far. haven't gone that far

1310
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:08.460
ahead.

1311
00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:11.519
I need to actually sit down and watch the rest of it.

1312
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:13.920
We're gonna have to wait a bit.

1313
00:56:13.980 --> 00:56:16.260
Before we randomise it again. absolutely.

1314
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:18.300
There we go.

1315
00:56:18.780 --> 00:56:20.760
What they're talking about now?

1316
00:56:20.820 --> 00:56:24.480
So they're talking about the protest star and doing that, which I

1317
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:28.079
didn't realise they explicitly do that metaphor that I thought it

1318
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:32.699
was, where, you know, the protest star is a ship with a star, a

1319
00:56:32.699 --> 00:56:37.739
baby star in it, and they send it off, and look who, you know, this

1320
00:56:37.739 --> 00:56:42.960
is the, um, here are the, uh, new life forms that we were

1321
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:46.800
searching for, and they've come back and founders, um, which

1322
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:47.820
actually great.

1323
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:48.900
That line there.

1324
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:52.679
She goes, interviews don't hold a candle to what these kids have

1325
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:53.099
been through.

1326
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:53.760
Yeah.

1327
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:55.019
What a great line.

1328
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:55.679
I do too.

1329
00:56:55.739 --> 00:56:56.880
Like the stuff.

1330
00:56:56.940 --> 00:56:58.199
I'd love this line.

1331
00:56:58.260 --> 00:56:59.280
I love this.

1332
00:56:59.340 --> 00:57:01.260
Was he enhanced in everyone?

1333
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:02.400
Look at him, of course.

1334
00:57:04.980 --> 00:57:08.340
But his heart is bigger than anyone in this room.

1335
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:09.840
Anyone in this room?

1336
00:57:09.900 --> 00:57:11.699
And the great thing is that we saw that.

1337
00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:16.139
Like, we actually saw that development of those 20 episodes, that

1338
00:57:16.139 --> 00:57:17.699
he does get better.

1339
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:22.380
And in the final episode, in last week's episode, he was going to

1340
00:57:22.380 --> 00:57:24.900
well, this week he was going to go down with the ship.

1341
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:26.460
He was going to go down with the ship.

1342
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:29.340
I've got to say, I'm sure that they could get into Starfleet.

1343
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.400
I know you said that is one of those moments that you feared that

1344
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:33.480
I wouldn't like, yeah.

1345
00:57:33.539 --> 00:57:38.519
But see, that, to me, is the antithesis of the, we're Starfleet.

1346
00:57:38.579 --> 00:57:42.119
We're Starfleet moment from Discovery, which I really hated.

1347
00:57:42.179 --> 00:57:44.280
I just think it's so well judged here.

1348
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:50.039
It doesn't ever tip over to it being too self-congratulatory.

1349
00:57:50.340 --> 00:57:54.960
Yeah, I think, I think, I think it is, like, I certainly think

1350
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:58.380
Gwen's speech, you know, and maybe because it comes from the

1351
00:57:58.380 --> 00:58:01.679
outside, and because her view of the Federation is somewhere where

1352
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:05.820
even sort of strange aliens like them, with all their complex

1353
00:58:05.820 --> 00:58:07.139
backgrounds can belong.

1354
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:08.400
Do you know what I mean?

1355
00:58:08.460 --> 00:58:13.139
And that's a lovely take on it that you don't get from inside

1356
00:58:13.139 --> 00:58:13.500
maybe.

1357
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:16.860
Do you know what I've just realised as well, another reason why I

1358
00:58:16.860 --> 00:58:20.400
might love this show in the same sort of way that I do with DS9?

1359
00:58:20.460 --> 00:58:22.800
It's a lot of non Starfleet characters.

1360
00:58:22.860 --> 00:58:25.739
Yeah, yeah. much like DS9, you know?

1361
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:26.460
Yeah.

1362
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:29.940
Yeah, it's an outsider's viewer, but it's not a cynical outside as

1363
00:58:29.940 --> 00:58:30.239
you.

1364
00:58:30.300 --> 00:58:31.739
No, it's so interesting.

1365
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:32.280
Yeah.

1366
00:58:32.579 --> 00:58:34.980
It wasn't always cynical.

1367
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:36.900
I'm going to show you some episodes, right?

1368
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:42.420
Kira goes at one point, he made me a believer, you know.

1369
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:49.139
Actually, I wouldn't mind a pulk toy as well, you know.

1370
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:50.519
Very cute.

1371
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:52.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1372
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:55.199
In fact, you have all the regular splitting for Christmas.

1373
00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:58.980
But prioritise Murf, please.

1374
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:00.179
Murph, obviously.

1375
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:00.840
Yeah.

1376
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:03.539
Pre-Christal Murph and...

1377
00:59:03.539 --> 00:59:04.679
This is so sad, isn't it?

1378
00:59:04.739 --> 00:59:05.639
she's going home.

1379
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:09.599
It's cute when they pick it up next episode.

1380
00:59:09.659 --> 00:59:13.920
Remember where he's on his iPad chatting to her and she's heading

1381
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:14.760
to Solem.

1382
00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:17.219
And of course, they're pretty soon.

1383
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.039
I just remember those scenes Those scenes on the planet and not

1384
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:21.780
having a clue what was going on in any room.

1385
00:59:22.019 --> 00:59:25.320
This kid show keeps tying me in knots, you know.

1386
00:59:25.380 --> 00:59:27.000
That beautiful planet.

1387
00:59:27.059 --> 00:59:28.619
It was gorgeous yeah.

1388
00:59:28.739 --> 00:59:30.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1389
00:59:30.179 --> 00:59:34.800
I just, I love, it's kind of an obvious thing to do, but I love

1390
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:36.719
the one of you didn't make it.

1391
00:59:36.780 --> 00:59:41.460
And obviously you all think it's, it's Dal, and he thinks it's him

1392
00:59:41.460 --> 00:59:43.139
too, which is really good.

1393
00:59:43.500 --> 00:59:45.719
So we've had sacrifice.

1394
00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:46.739
There's a surprise there.

1395
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:49.019
They're all going off into a hopeful new future.

1396
00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:50.519
She's going home.

1397
00:59:50.579 --> 00:59:53.400
In fact, it's a bit like what you leave behind, right?

1398
00:59:53.460 --> 00:59:55.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1399
00:59:55.139 --> 00:59:55.559
Yeah.

1400
00:59:55.619 --> 00:59:58.199
Well, again, well, that gets it right, because it sends them all

1401
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:00.119
off in a different direction and talks about the future.

1402
01:00:00.179 --> 01:00:04.800
And this too, where she's getting, you know, some science to study

1403
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:09.300
um, uh, we get, she looks great in a uniform.

1404
01:00:09.420 --> 01:00:11.159
She does look really good, doesn't she?

1405
01:00:12.539 --> 01:00:14.159
coming out, please.

1406
01:00:15.539 --> 01:00:17.820
That is such a great design.

1407
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:20.039
Mind you, that's a brilliant vocal performance.

1408
01:00:20.099 --> 01:00:21.900
Oh yeah, she's really good.

1409
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:23.760
And just getting a little girl to play.

1410
01:00:23.820 --> 01:00:28.440
Her is just tremendous rather than a, you know, like an adult

1411
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:29.340
doing a kid's voice.

1412
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:31.139
And Paul as well.

1413
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:32.159
The comedy.

1414
01:00:32.219 --> 01:00:33.119
He does it. so good.

1415
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:35.039
He's so great.

1416
01:00:35.099 --> 01:00:40.619
And it look at 0 in his new master.

1417
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:41.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1418
01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:42.300
Look at that.

1419
01:00:42.420 --> 01:00:43.320
Does he look great?

1420
01:00:43.380 --> 01:00:46.320
And he said, stalking that outfit.

1421
01:00:46.380 --> 01:00:48.780
Look at that scanner screamer.

1422
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:51.420
It's like a constellation of stars.

1423
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:54.599
This is so nice, isn't it?

1424
01:00:54.659 --> 01:00:57.059
And this is calling back to their very 1st conversation.

1425
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:02.760
That thing about cat boots instead of cahoots is a joke from not a

1426
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:05.880
great joke, but it's a joke from the 1st episode.

1427
01:01:05.940 --> 01:01:09.239
Do you remember how many jokes we've endured from Voyager?

1428
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:10.380
is a good joke, right?

1429
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:11.219
Yeah, yeah.

1430
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:16.199
But, um, you know, we're, we're hiking back to the beginning and

1431
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:19.079
just seeing how they've changed and grown.

1432
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:22.199
And, like, this is very sweet.

1433
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:23.460
It is very sweet.

1434
01:01:23.579 --> 01:01:27.539
There is more carrot to growth in these regulars.

1435
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:31.320
I'm telling you now that in 7 seasons of most trade shows.

1436
01:01:31.380 --> 01:01:31.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1437
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:33.119
Look at that.

1438
01:01:33.179 --> 01:01:33.960
From where they started.

1439
01:01:34.019 --> 01:01:36.119
She just said there, I know where my home is now.

1440
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:38.579
She didn't know where she was from. the start of the series.

1441
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:39.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1442
01:01:39.780 --> 01:01:43.079
Yeah, well, neither of them knew who they were, you know, and this

1443
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:44.280
look at them together.

1444
01:01:44.340 --> 01:01:44.880
That's so cute.

1445
01:01:44.940 --> 01:01:49.559
We have that, we paid back that kiss from the previous episode.

1446
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.619
I'm sorry, look at that lazy sunshine over the bridge.

1447
01:01:52.619 --> 01:01:55.199
And the cityscape in the background.

1448
01:01:55.260 --> 01:01:58.500
The ports that the ships come up from.

1449
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:01.500
I mean, it's just Star Trek, how I've always wanted to see it.

1450
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:02.340
Wonderful.

1451
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:03.179
All right.

1452
01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:04.860
Now here's your job.

1453
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:06.960
Look at zero's legs.

1454
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:09.420
In these scenes.

1455
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:10.320
Okay?

1456
01:02:10.380 --> 01:02:12.780
I want you to keep an eye on zero's legs.

1457
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:14.219
Obviously pay attention to what's happening.

1458
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:20.639
Um, but so Zero stood up and that ship and it's the new proto-star

1459
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:22.800
class ship. and we're going to see that.

1460
01:02:22.860 --> 01:02:26.880
It's not going to play a big part next season unless it...

1461
01:02:26.940 --> 01:02:28.320
Oh, they're there.

1462
01:02:28.380 --> 01:02:30.719
Oh, they found exploding.

1463
01:02:30.780 --> 01:02:33.659
So, and now they're back in the reverse shot.

1464
01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:34.619
What is that going on?

1465
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:36.960
Is that just the continuity era?

1466
01:02:38.460 --> 01:02:41.460
So from behind, you just have the legs.

1467
01:02:41.699 --> 01:02:50.940
I complained about that in into the breach, because it did happen

1468
01:02:50.940 --> 01:02:53.340
there and I wondered what was happening to his legs.

1469
01:02:54.300 --> 01:02:56.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1470
01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:57.239
So they've gone there?

1471
01:02:57.300 --> 01:02:59.940
They're gone in the show. nobody noticed.

1472
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:04.739
I was so obsessed at looking at that fabulous behemoth building.

1473
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:06.360
I didn't even notice the 1st time.

1474
01:03:06.420 --> 01:03:07.860
It looks great, doesn't it?

1475
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:09.360
And now they're back.

1476
01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:15.059
I think he can, like, depending on what angle you look at him, the

1477
01:03:15.059 --> 01:03:17.699
refraction of the light, it means that they vanish.

1478
01:03:17.699 --> 01:03:18.179
Absolutely.

1479
01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:21.179
Look at this last shot of the going off in the ship.

1480
01:03:21.239 --> 01:03:22.679
It's beautiful, isn't it?

1481
01:03:22.860 --> 01:03:24.539
Just so good.

1482
01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:27.239
Just 10 out of 10.

1483
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:29.340
I have no notes.

1484
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:30.420
I mean, I had lots of notes.

1485
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:33.300
I talked a lot there, but yeah, just wonderful.

1486
01:03:33.420 --> 01:03:36.480
That is basically what I want from Star Trek.

1487
01:03:36.539 --> 01:03:37.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1488
01:03:37.380 --> 01:03:37.800
Yeah.

1489
01:03:37.860 --> 01:03:39.119
It's just really fun.

1490
01:03:39.179 --> 01:03:40.260
The kids are all great.

1491
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:45.719
You know, um, you've got Kate Mulgrew, which is just tremendous

1492
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:48.659
and it just looks stunning.

1493
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:52.559
You know, it just looks so exciting, so thrilling.

1494
01:03:52.619 --> 01:03:54.119
Yeah, I'm here for it too.

1495
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:57.780
I think the only thing I can really add. is much like lower

1496
01:03:57.780 --> 01:03:58.380
decks.

1497
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:04.139
I cannot wait to get back to this series and discover some more

1498
01:04:04.139 --> 01:04:08.400
but I am going to keep up my annoying tradition of not watching it

1499
01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:10.860
through and discovering it as we watch it.

1500
01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:12.900
All right, that sounds like a plan.

1501
01:04:22.260 --> 01:04:26.340
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

1502
01:04:26.340 --> 01:04:28.559
work out where we're going next time.

1503
01:04:28.619 --> 01:04:32.219
This was my choice, a rare win for me.

1504
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:35.579
And so maybe you'll even things up by picking something terrible

1505
01:04:35.579 --> 01:04:39.360
Joe. I think you might be turning a corner now, you know, does

1506
01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:41.519
your increments.

1507
01:04:41.579 --> 01:04:42.780
Your choices are getting better.

1508
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:45.119
And that was a massive win.

1509
01:04:45.179 --> 01:04:50.820
But unfortunately, my eyeballs have been tessellated far too much

1510
01:04:50.820 --> 01:04:53.820
by all the visual splendour, prodigy.

1511
01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:56.519
So I am going to take us back to the...

1512
01:04:56.519 --> 01:05:01.679
The brainer back to the 90s. of 90s.

1513
01:05:01.739 --> 01:05:02.880
I'll put them all in.

1514
01:05:02.940 --> 01:05:05.699
Next generation, DS9 Voyager and Enterprise.

1515
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:06.539
Oh, brilliant.

1516
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:06.780
Okay.

1517
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:07.260
Okay?

1518
01:05:07.380 --> 01:05:09.960
So let's just see what we get now.

1519
01:05:10.019 --> 01:05:10.679
Okay.

1520
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:14.760
Oh, we may have to do it.

1521
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:17.099
He's a code of honour?

1522
01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:20.519
No, but if I say this, I might just skip it because you'll just go

1523
01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:21.059
we'll do it.

1524
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:22.559
No, you have to say it. the rules.

1525
01:05:22.619 --> 01:05:26.639
Your random Star Trek, the next generation episode is...

1526
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:30.960
Season six, episode three, man of the people.

1527
01:05:31.019 --> 01:05:33.000
Oh my god, they're doing it.

1528
01:05:33.059 --> 01:05:35.639
Oh, yeah, absolutely doing it.

1529
01:05:35.699 --> 01:05:36.480
Of course we do.

1530
01:05:36.539 --> 01:05:38.340
This is literally crazy.

1531
01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:42.179
This is literally the Dr. Crusher has repaired Troy with her usual

1532
01:05:42.179 --> 01:05:43.500
skill episode.

1533
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:45.179
That's so great.

1534
01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:46.980
It's so crazy.

1535
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:51.360
Now, look, Sean Luke, I can only kill her for 3 minutes.

1536
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:53.519
I have to bring her back to life again.

1537
01:05:53.579 --> 01:05:55.260
Oh my god.

1538
01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:56.519
Well, that's the quickest choice ever.

1539
01:05:56.579 --> 01:05:57.360
We're done.

1540
01:05:57.420 --> 01:05:58.079
Yeah, yeah.

1541
01:05:58.139 --> 01:05:59.519
You're done. absolutely.

1542
01:05:59.579 --> 01:06:01.079
It may be...

1543
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:04.380
Now, you did say recently an episode of Untitled Star Trek. you

1544
01:06:04.380 --> 01:06:06.900
know, Marina's not allowed to sort of let her hair down.

1545
01:06:07.019 --> 01:06:07.920
She's a good girl.

1546
01:06:07.980 --> 01:06:10.920
She's behaving herself for one week.

1547
01:06:10.980 --> 01:06:12.480
That's all out the window.

1548
01:06:13.860 --> 01:06:16.500
One of my favourite marina episodes.

1549
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:19.920
Just remember the bit where she comes into the, um, they've put

1550
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:23.519
her in this hideous old age makeup is before she saw the vamp.

1551
01:06:23.579 --> 01:06:27.719
She's got loads of latex on her face and a massive knife in her

1552
01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:28.079
hand.

1553
01:06:28.139 --> 01:06:31.619
She comes to the transporter room and goes, I won't let you take

1554
01:06:31.619 --> 01:06:33.659
him from me to Picard.

1555
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:34.920
She tries to stab him.

1556
01:06:34.980 --> 01:06:36.420
Oh, it's just gold.

1557
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:38.460
Let's do it.

1558
01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:40.380
Yeah, absolutely we're doing it.

1559
01:06:47.940 --> 01:06:51.719
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1560
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:55.679
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

1561
01:06:54.780 --> 01:06:58.199
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1562
01:06:58.199 --> 01:06:59.099
media accounts.

1563
01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:02.880
Now, podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1564
01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:04.559
composed by Cameron Lamb.

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01:07:04.619 --> 01:07:09.179
This episode was recorded on the 22nd of October 2024 and released

1566
01:07:09.179 --> 01:07:10.679
on the 25th of October.

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01:07:10.739 --> 01:07:15.000
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, Man of

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01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:15.900
the People.

1569
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:34.800
Did you see what I'll tell you about that?

1570
01:07:34.860 --> 01:07:38.460
And then, of course, all of the, of course, we watched the last

1571
01:07:38.460 --> 01:07:40.800
Jedi this Sunday.

1572
01:07:40.860 --> 01:07:44.880
It was incredible and easily.

1573
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:47.460
Oh, you're going to think, oh, mad, but easily my favourite is

1574
01:07:47.460 --> 01:07:49.860
since Revenge of the Sith, with the...

1575
01:07:49.860 --> 01:07:51.300
I like my favourite altogether.

1576
01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:52.920
It might be my favourite Star Wars.

1577
01:07:52.980 --> 01:07:54.960
I had like Revenge of the Swift because it's got that mad evil

1578
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:58.320
emperor in it, given the most insane performance. you've ever

1579
01:07:58.320 --> 01:07:58.559
seen.

1580
01:07:58.619 --> 01:08:01.980
But, um, God, it was so beautiful.

1581
01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:04.980
So, I can't believe these effects.

1582
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:07.860
I cannot believe the face all the way through.

1583
01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:12.960
The red of the red and the white and the black.

1584
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:14.519
The bleeding planet.

1585
01:08:14.579 --> 01:08:15.420
Yep.

1586
01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:18.539
I don't care if you say it's salt, it's a bleeding planet.

1587
01:08:18.539 --> 01:08:20.039
No, it's beautiful.

1588
01:08:20.100 --> 01:08:22.439
It's just stunning. so good.

1589
01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:27.060
And but just, I love, I, sorry, I know, I put the, I put the tweet

1590
01:08:27.060 --> 01:08:31.020
out, saying, I love this, and then I wrote just to sort of, you

1591
01:08:31.020 --> 01:08:33.600
know, stir the pot a bit with the people that hate it, which seems

1592
01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:37.739
to be pretty much everyone, was to say, and as for Leia, space

1593
01:08:37.739 --> 01:08:40.199
walking, I put hilarious.

1594
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:44.340
I said, because raising a spaceship out of a swamp with magical

1595
01:08:44.340 --> 01:08:46.079
powers is so naturalistic.

1596
01:08:46.140 --> 01:08:48.779
And then everyone jumped on it like, man.

1597
01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:52.979
It's like, it's like suddenly it's just like, I don't know what

1598
01:08:52.979 --> 01:08:54.239
the force can do anymore.

1599
01:08:54.300 --> 01:08:55.319
What can it do?

1600
01:08:55.380 --> 01:08:57.000
Like, it just opened the force up.

1601
01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:58.979
And it's just like, do anything?

1602
01:08:58.979 --> 01:08:59.880
Astounding.

1603
01:08:59.939 --> 01:09:00.600
What can it do?

1604
01:09:00.659 --> 01:09:01.920
What are the rules now?

1605
01:09:01.979 --> 01:09:03.060
I think it's really great.

1606
01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:06.960
And I think too, the thing about 7 and A, the thing that is so

1607
01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:11.159
good about those 2 films is that they are properly funny.

1608
01:09:11.220 --> 01:09:16.199
The, the, the, the Force Awakens is the funniest Star Wars film.

1609
01:09:16.260 --> 01:09:17.340
Like, it's Super Trad.

1610
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:19.500
It needed to be tried, but fuck, it's funny.

1611
01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:21.000
That's so funny.

1612
01:09:21.060 --> 01:09:25.140
She's in the cockpit, the Millennium Falcon, and stepping all over

1613
01:09:25.140 --> 01:09:26.159
was he stepping all over it?

1614
01:09:26.220 --> 01:09:27.359
No, he's stepping all over her.

1615
01:09:27.420 --> 01:09:30.420
Do you remember that bit where Finn's stepping all over right?

1616
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:31.800
She's going, get off, get off me.

1617
01:09:31.859 --> 01:09:34.260
And they're just like normal people.

1618
01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:37.500
When he wakes up, he's knocked out.

1619
01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:39.479
He wakes up and goes, are you all right?

1620
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:46.439
Like, and there's one moment, like, really, really early on in the

1621
01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:51.000
in the last Jedi, where Finn wakes up and, you know, like, he's in

1622
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:54.779
his sort of comedy back to tank suit thing with water spurting out

1623
01:09:54.779 --> 01:09:58.260
everywhere, and he looks sort of ridiculous, and Poe comes up to

1624
01:09:58.260 --> 01:10:01.020
him and says, you must have a 1000000 questions.

1625
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:03.840
He just says, where's Ray?

1626
01:10:03.899 --> 01:10:06.779
And it, like, it's so beautiful.

1627
01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:10.140
It breaks my heart because, you know, like just the relationship

1628
01:10:10.140 --> 01:10:13.859
he has with her and how much it's not a romantic relationship or

1629
01:10:13.859 --> 01:10:17.340
anything, but just how much he loves her and how much he wants to

1630
01:10:17.340 --> 01:10:17.880
protect her.

1631
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:21.119
And of course, he doesn't have a 1000000 questions because he's

1632
01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:21.600
Finn.

1633
01:10:21.659 --> 01:10:22.739
And I think that's beautiful.

1634
01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:26.460
And like the essay that I wrote was about the, the, the Monte

1635
01:10:26.460 --> 01:10:29.579
Carlo planet, the, oh my god, gorgeous.

1636
01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:30.899
It's so good.

1637
01:10:31.020 --> 01:10:34.199
Absolutely. like there was a sequence.

1638
01:10:34.260 --> 01:10:34.979
Do you remember that?

1639
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:40.920
Um, do you remember that very old camera shot that goes through

1640
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:43.260
the, the lounge?

1641
01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:44.760
It's a very old one.

1642
01:10:44.819 --> 01:10:47.159
It's like a tracking shot that goes over all the tables.

1643
01:10:47.220 --> 01:10:48.600
Do you remember that?

1644
01:10:48.659 --> 01:10:49.439
It's really famous.

1645
01:10:49.500 --> 01:10:52.020
It was like the 1st one of it's called it. a continuous shot.

1646
01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:53.279
Okay, right, right.

1647
01:10:53.340 --> 01:10:54.539
And they're doing...

1648
01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:56.159
He does that in the thing.

1649
01:10:56.220 --> 01:11:00.000
He goes across all the poker table and I found it afterwards.

1650
01:11:00.060 --> 01:11:01.079
I was like, yeah he's doing it.

1651
01:11:01.140 --> 01:11:04.380
B to B. But with crazy aliens in it.

1652
01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:05.579
It's great.

1653
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:07.560
But there was 3 bits right.

1654
01:11:07.619 --> 01:11:10.140
And if Mark laughs, then it's a win for him.

1655
01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:11.399
And there was 3 bits.

1656
01:11:11.460 --> 01:11:12.779
The bit where...

1657
01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:14.340
I don't know what they were.

1658
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:16.500
The people that clean up Luke's place.

1659
01:11:16.500 --> 01:11:20.220
We're going along with their car and the rock...

1660
01:11:20.220 --> 01:11:23.520
And they just go, little Lizard Mans.

1661
01:11:23.579 --> 01:11:26.039
That bit made him howl.

1662
01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:27.899
And then the bit in the...

1663
01:11:27.899 --> 01:11:31.260
There's a massive action sequence in the middle of the casino and

1664
01:11:31.260 --> 01:11:36.420
it suddenly cuts on this woman who goes...

1665
01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:41.220
He pissed himself then, and then the little creature in with Chewy

1666
01:11:41.220 --> 01:11:47.880
when they're in a moment of extreme danger, and it just goes...

1667
01:11:47.939 --> 01:11:49.560
The ball.

1668
01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:51.420
It's so...

1669
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:52.020
It's so good.

1670
01:11:52.079 --> 01:11:54.420
What about when he wants to eat the pork?

1671
01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:58.560
Chewy's trying to eat the pork. making it sad.

1672
01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:05.520
I'm going, oh, he doesn't want to have that chicken and Mark's

1673
01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:07.859
going, no, that's one of them.

1674
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:08.699
I was like, oh.

1675
01:12:11.819 --> 01:12:13.739
Also, it looks delicious, aren't it?

1676
01:12:13.739 --> 01:12:15.060
It is so good.

1677
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:18.779
But then, and then Rod came at me right, and he, because he hates

1678
01:12:18.779 --> 01:12:19.560
that movie.

1679
01:12:19.619 --> 01:12:23.399
Um, you know, he's been a fan of Star Wars since the beginning.

1680
01:12:23.399 --> 01:12:26.039
I saw the 1st film in the cinema.

1681
01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:28.979
And he's going to like a portrayal of the logic.

1682
01:12:28.979 --> 01:12:32.279
And I was like, what are you talking about?

1683
01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:36.539
is a logic of magic.

1684
01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:37.199
Okay.

1685
01:12:37.260 --> 01:12:40.680
Oh, no, I think I mean, I thought that was beautiful.

1686
01:12:40.859 --> 01:12:42.779
This is astounding.

1687
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:47.460
I love the bit too, where, um, where she says what the force is

1688
01:12:47.460 --> 01:12:52.380
and she says, you know, it's a thing that makes you able to leap

1689
01:12:52.380 --> 01:12:57.300
and lift rocks and stuff like, she's got like a dumb explanation

1690
01:12:57.300 --> 01:12:57.840
for it.

1691
01:12:57.899 --> 01:13:01.920
And then there's that beautiful explanation of how it's life, you

1692
01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:05.100
know, and it's never been done better with all of those quick

1693
01:13:05.100 --> 01:13:07.859
shots of things being born and dying and stuff like that.

1694
01:13:07.920 --> 01:13:09.239
It's so good.

1695
01:13:09.300 --> 01:13:10.800
And, and, and just...

1696
01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:11.760
But then doesn't he say at the end?

1697
01:13:11.819 --> 01:13:13.319
And you can pick up rocks.

1698
01:13:13.380 --> 01:13:17.520
Well, no, she ends up beating the day by picking up a big fucking

1699
01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:19.500
bunch of rocks at the end of the film.

1700
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:21.060
Exactly.

1701
01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:23.699
You know what?

1702
01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:25.920
My only complaint about it, and I did love.

1703
01:13:25.979 --> 01:13:30.000
I loved all the stuff on the planet was it felt like it had hit

1704
01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:34.979
its climax, a 3rd in, and then that whole bit on the planet feels

1705
01:13:34.979 --> 01:13:36.840
like like the start of another film.

1706
01:13:36.899 --> 01:13:42.119
Yeah, and I think it's partly because it, that's how the 1st

1707
01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:44.399
trilogy structured. you know what I mean?

1708
01:13:44.460 --> 01:13:49.439
Like the 1st trilogy ends at that and then you have a whole other

1709
01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:49.859
film.

1710
01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:52.920
And so I found it really off-putting the 1st time, but the 2nd

1711
01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:54.779
time once I knew that that was how it was paid.

1712
01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:55.739
It was gorgeous.

1713
01:13:55.739 --> 01:13:58.079
And a twist of him not being a mess.

1714
01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:00.720
When they shoot and shoot and shoot.

1715
01:14:01.380 --> 01:14:04.319
It's the same thing, you know, the thing that I hate about nine.

1716
01:14:04.380 --> 01:14:07.680
The thing that I hate about 9 is that Ray wins because she has

1717
01:14:07.680 --> 01:14:13.500
better space for lightning than Palpatine, whereas in Return of

1718
01:14:13.500 --> 01:14:16.739
the Jedi, Luke wins because he says, I'm not going to find you.

1719
01:14:16.859 --> 01:14:20.520
You know, I don't know if I'm going to watch nine.

1720
01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:22.619
I don't want to see that in the pictures.

1721
01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:23.880
I think I'm going to end it there.

1722
01:14:23.939 --> 01:14:26.399
That's my end of them going, right.

1723
01:14:26.460 --> 01:14:28.560
There's only a few ragtag of us left on this ship.

1724
01:14:28.619 --> 01:14:32.880
Let's go and find new rebellion. child. as a child with...

1725
01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:33.899
That was great as well.

1726
01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:34.319
Yeah.

1727
01:14:34.380 --> 01:14:35.880
What is wrong with these people?

1728
01:14:35.939 --> 01:14:37.739
it's just so gorgeous.

1729
01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:39.600
I was like, how could you even object to it?

1730
01:14:39.659 --> 01:14:41.100
It's just so beautiful.

1731
01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:43.439
It's a 9's an apology tour for it as well.

1732
01:14:43.500 --> 01:14:46.560
It's like, I'm sorry we allowed someone talented near your shitty

1733
01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:49.619
franchise. you nerds.

1734
01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:55.140
And here's something incredibly unimaginative and that makes no

1735
01:14:55.140 --> 01:14:59.579
sense and plus Finn and Poe are definitely not gay because we'll

1736
01:14:59.579 --> 01:15:02.640
give them each boyfriends and wait them and yell at each other

1737
01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:03.659
throughout the entire thing.

1738
01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:09.479
And we'll put we'll make that bird-faced lady from last Jedi.

1739
01:15:09.539 --> 01:15:13.500
She can be a lesbian for 2 seconds and we'll cut that out for

1740
01:15:13.500 --> 01:15:14.760
release in Malaysia.

1741
01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:18.600
His favourite is that woman with the goggles, you know, the one

1742
01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:19.380
who goes over the table.

1743
01:15:20.460 --> 01:15:22.199
What's her name?

1744
01:15:22.199 --> 01:15:24.539
No, from Force Awakens.

1745
01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:27.899
She's got a...

1746
01:15:27.899 --> 01:15:31.500
I just like all the crazy aliens.

1747
01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:32.399
I'm just going.

1748
01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:35.279
Yeah, I'm glad he liked...

1749
01:15:35.340 --> 01:15:38.939
I'm sending my essay because I'm really proud of it and it

1750
01:15:38.939 --> 01:15:39.300
says...

1751
01:15:39.300 --> 01:15:42.779
I mean, I'm actually the 1st Chuck Shanahan absolutely was raven

1752
01:15:42.779 --> 01:15:43.920
about the last Jedi.

1753
01:15:43.979 --> 01:15:45.180
So he made me watch it with him.

1754
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:46.439
And I loved it.

1755
01:15:46.500 --> 01:15:48.479
But I was like, okay, coming back to it.

1756
01:15:48.539 --> 01:15:50.699
I've watched them all in order.

1757
01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:55.260
Am I going to see this huge portrayal of the Star Wars universe

1758
01:15:55.260 --> 01:15:57.000
you know, betraying the characters.

1759
01:15:57.060 --> 01:15:59.159
It's the 1st thing.

1760
01:15:59.220 --> 01:16:03.779
It's the 1st thing that actually has something to say about the

1761
01:16:03.779 --> 01:16:04.979
Star Wars universe.

1762
01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:08.100
You know, there's a big pointless battle with lots of hardware and

1763
01:16:08.100 --> 01:16:08.460
shit.

1764
01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:12.000
And then it critiques that and it says, actually, maybe you should

1765
01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:16.020
be off making people's lives better and saving them from

1766
01:16:16.020 --> 01:16:17.340
oppression.

1767
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:20.159
The character work was so on point as well.

1768
01:16:20.220 --> 01:16:22.859
The woman with the purple hair.

1769
01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:25.140
You know, the woman, the movie.

1770
01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:28.079
Yeah, it was like such a King Dern, can I say?

1771
01:16:28.140 --> 01:16:29.579
Such a cow.

1772
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:32.699
And then shut that moment with Leia.

1773
01:16:32.699 --> 01:16:34.859
And I was like, okay, I get it.

1774
01:16:34.920 --> 01:16:35.460
I get it.

1775
01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:37.739
I know what he's doing with his character.

1776
01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:40.140
Until that point I was like, oh, she's awful.

1777
01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:43.199
Like, and then she obviously she sacrificed herself and you

1778
01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:43.979
absolutely love her.

1779
01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:45.779
Yeah, in a beautiful scene too.

1780
01:16:45.899 --> 01:16:47.699
Yeah, it was great.

1781
01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:49.140
So good.

1782
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:50.279
These crazy people.

1783
01:16:50.340 --> 01:16:52.439
They don't deserve these multi-billion.

1784
01:16:52.500 --> 01:16:54.359
Look at these...

1785
01:16:54.420 --> 01:16:58.800
Ryan Johnson and they don't deserve Laura Dern, for God's sake.

1786
01:16:58.859 --> 01:17:02.159
It's Laura Dern, her majesty Laura Dern.

1787
01:17:02.220 --> 01:17:06.659
But I've heard like the reaction was so bad that they accredited

1788
01:17:06.659 --> 01:17:12.600
the response to the last Jedi to the failure of solo, like the box

1789
01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:15.479
office failure of solo, and nobody went to go and see it.

1790
01:17:15.539 --> 01:17:16.920
It's outrageous.

1791
01:17:16.979 --> 01:17:21.600
And like Kelly Marie Tran, who was so gorgeous in that film, like

1792
01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:22.739
just...

1793
01:17:22.739 --> 01:17:23.640
Oh, was that the Asian girl?

1794
01:17:23.699 --> 01:17:27.000
Yeah, Fritz or something?

1795
01:17:27.060 --> 01:17:30.180
Yeah, oh, like she and she was on Instagram and stuff.

1796
01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:33.840
She was adorable, just like absolutely wonderful on Instagram.

1797
01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:37.020
I said that to him, and I was like, right, I'm going to watch this

1798
01:17:37.020 --> 01:17:39.060
movie now and see what she does are so offensive.

1799
01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:42.359
And by the end, I was like, tremendous.

1800
01:17:42.420 --> 01:17:43.260
So what was the issue?

1801
01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:49.800
She's an Asian woman and she teaches a man a thing because in that

1802
01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:54.359
film, all of the men learn a valuable lesson from a woman.

1803
01:17:54.420 --> 01:17:59.819
And so, you know, you get a layout schooling Poe after the

1804
01:17:59.819 --> 01:18:01.319
Dreadnaught attack.

1805
01:18:01.380 --> 01:18:07.619
You get, um, you get rose teaching Finn, what it is that is, it

1806
01:18:07.619 --> 01:18:08.760
means to be a rebel.

1807
01:18:08.819 --> 01:18:12.659
You know, he's not sold at all and he's sold by her.

1808
01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:19.439
She tells him, um, What it means, and you get Luke, who has

1809
01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:20.279
retired.

1810
01:18:20.340 --> 01:18:23.340
You know, everyone blames Ryan Johnson for making Luke into a

1811
01:18:23.340 --> 01:18:25.319
hermit, but JJ Abrams did that.

1812
01:18:25.380 --> 01:18:29.520
That was what the 1st film was about, you know, where's Luke?

1813
01:18:29.579 --> 01:18:32.579
And she, you know, she brings Luke back into the battle.

1814
01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:35.220
She teaches him, you know, just as he teaches her.

1815
01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:40.500
To me, while I was watching those scenes of him teaching her

1816
01:18:40.500 --> 01:18:40.800
yeah.

1817
01:18:40.859 --> 01:18:41.819
Do you know what I was seeing?

1818
01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:45.659
I was seeing Yoda teaching Luke in Empire.

1819
01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:47.100
I was saying exactly the same thing.

1820
01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:50.159
I'm like, you all love Empire Strike Back.

1821
01:18:50.220 --> 01:18:51.539
What is the way?

1822
01:18:52.500 --> 01:18:55.260
Okay, so we've got a character.

1823
01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:59.880
If you watch the prequels, you know, Yoda's massive in in the

1824
01:18:59.880 --> 01:19:03.600
fight against the dark side coming in, and then he goes, right

1825
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:04.560
fuck me, I'm out.

1826
01:19:04.619 --> 01:19:08.520
I was like, we've lost and I'm just going to go and chew a card

1827
01:19:08.520 --> 01:19:09.119
over it.

1828
01:19:09.180 --> 01:19:09.600
Yes.

1829
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:11.640
And it goes to the swamp planet.

1830
01:19:11.699 --> 01:19:12.539
That's what Jedi do.

1831
01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:13.619
They just fuck off.

1832
01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:16.979
I'm like, well, you don't mind it with Yoda.

1833
01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:21.840
And that's why that scene between Yoda and Luke is so great. when

1834
01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:22.920
he just burns all the books.

1835
01:19:22.979 --> 01:19:24.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1836
01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:25.619
Do you really think that's important?

1837
01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:26.699
No, that's important.

1838
01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:28.500
Like, God's sakes.

1839
01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:30.180
Oh, dear.

1840
01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:31.920
Well, but you know what?

1841
01:19:31.979 --> 01:19:34.140
I'm just not invested in it enough to really care.

1842
01:19:34.199 --> 01:19:40.020
As an exercise of watching it to see what was so good and mad

1843
01:19:40.020 --> 01:19:40.859
about it.

1844
01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:41.939
It was quite interesting.

1845
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:42.720
Yeah.

1846
01:19:42.779 --> 01:19:43.319
Yeah.

1847
01:19:43.380 --> 01:19:46.199
No, I've never had the passion of it because I just didn't watch

1848
01:19:46.199 --> 01:19:46.920
them when I was younger.

1849
01:19:46.979 --> 01:19:47.760
So, you know.

1850
01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:48.479
Yeah, yeah.

1851
01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:52.800
No, I went I saw Star Wars in the cinema, uh, when I was 8 or

1852
01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:59.819
whatever, and I had, um, uh, um, Empire Strikes Back bedsheets

1853
01:19:59.819 --> 01:20:01.560
when I was a kid, which were great.

1854
01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:02.699
They were so good.

1855
01:20:02.760 --> 01:20:05.939
But it's like had little figures and the whole thing. hugely into

1856
01:20:05.939 --> 01:20:06.119
it.

1857
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:11.340
You know how we sort of look at 90s trek now on this?

1858
01:20:11.579 --> 01:20:14.699
That's how I look at those Star Wars films, those original Star

1859
01:20:14.699 --> 01:20:15.720
Wars, those three.

1860
01:20:15.779 --> 01:20:16.140
Yeah?

1861
01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:18.600
And so everyone goes, oh, they're the best thing ever, blah, blah

1862
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:18.840
blah.

1863
01:20:18.899 --> 01:20:21.840
Well, when you look at them out, actually, they have dated a bit

1864
01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:25.619
and they are quite slow and they're a bit embarrassing and the

1865
01:20:25.619 --> 01:20:28.319
dialogue's a bit clunky and I know it means a lot to you because

1866
01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:30.600
it's a seminal part of your childhood.

1867
01:20:30.659 --> 01:20:34.319
You can't look at this objectively because it was a seminal bar of

1868
01:20:34.319 --> 01:20:34.859
your childhood.

1869
01:20:34.979 --> 01:20:38.819
That's right And then you get bored in Empire strikes back in the

1870
01:20:38.819 --> 01:20:40.020
cinema.

1871
01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:44.340
I mean, I love Empire Strikes Back, but it is slow.

1872
01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:45.659
It's super slow.

1873
01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:50.279
And it does the same weird time dilation thing, the witch one.

1874
01:20:50.340 --> 01:20:51.779
A creature in the snow.

1875
01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:54.300
But we're not, you know, that, what was that?

1876
01:20:54.359 --> 01:20:56.520
Oh, it was...

1877
01:20:56.579 --> 01:20:58.199
I've ever seen.

1878
01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:00.119
Terrible.

1879
01:21:00.180 --> 01:21:03.119
They took out I was watching like deleted scenes.

1880
01:21:03.180 --> 01:21:06.119
They took out loads of scenes of that creature. because it just

1881
01:21:06.119 --> 01:21:07.140
looks so awful.

1882
01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:10.859
Oh, there's a scene with the, you know, the, the, do you mean the

1883
01:21:10.859 --> 01:21:13.140
big white ice creature that hits in the face?

1884
01:21:13.260 --> 01:21:16.500
They add stuff in there that wasn't in there because there's a

1885
01:21:16.500 --> 01:21:20.159
wonderful shot in the in the special edition of it kind of chewing

1886
01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:22.079
through something, chewing through a guy.

1887
01:21:22.140 --> 01:21:26.159
But it's basically a face and a hand and that's it in the original

1888
01:21:26.159 --> 01:21:27.659
film because that's all we could do.

1889
01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:31.619
And then they put more of it in a bit later.

1890
01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:33.539
You remember that podcast?

1891
01:21:33.539 --> 01:21:35.460
I said, I was, sorry, we should start a second.

1892
01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:36.539
We should never go.

1893
01:21:36.539 --> 01:21:40.140
Um, that podcast I was listening to, and they're going through all

1894
01:21:40.140 --> 01:21:44.220
of the souls, movies, and it's somebody who, like you, who's

1895
01:21:44.220 --> 01:21:46.680
watched them since they were a kid and somebody who was watching

1896
01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:48.119
them for the very 1st time.

1897
01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:54.420
And um, when they got to the sequels, the one who, he hated them

1898
01:21:54.420 --> 01:21:56.819
so much, and he hated the last Jedi so much, right?

1899
01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:59.939
And the fellow with him, it's just such a brilliant recording.

1900
01:21:59.939 --> 01:22:03.539
And he's pointing out all the things that he's watched in these

1901
01:22:03.539 --> 01:22:06.779
movies over the last couple of weeks that are more ridiculous than

1902
01:22:06.779 --> 01:22:07.680
layer space walking.

1903
01:22:07.739 --> 01:22:09.539
And he's going, you just don't understand.

1904
01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:11.279
He's going, you don't get it. like that.

1905
01:22:11.340 --> 01:22:12.659
He goes, no, he goes, I don't.

1906
01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:17.039
He goes, that is patently more ridiculous than her flying through

1907
01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:18.479
space using the force.

1908
01:22:18.539 --> 01:22:22.140
He goes, and you will just find any excuse because you just don't

1909
01:22:22.140 --> 01:22:22.619
like this.

1910
01:22:22.680 --> 01:22:24.960
You know, like the creative choices that they've made.

1911
01:22:25.020 --> 01:22:26.699
But it's so great.

1912
01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:29.220
It's really, I love listening to those.

1913
01:22:29.340 --> 01:22:31.800
People don't want it to do new things.

1914
01:22:31.859 --> 01:22:33.960
They don't want to see things that they've never seen before.

1915
01:22:34.020 --> 01:22:37.140
And that's the one where it's got its identity, isn't it?

1916
01:22:37.199 --> 01:22:40.920
Like Force Awakens very much feels like a love letter to those 1st

1917
01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:41.340
three.

1918
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:41.819
Yep.

1919
01:22:41.819 --> 01:22:44.340
This is where you exciting people, I think.

1920
01:22:44.399 --> 01:22:47.520
But this is where we're embracing our new people and our new

1921
01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:51.000
Zealand and our new order and it's our thing now and we're going

1922
01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:52.920
to really lean into it and be fabulous.

1923
01:22:52.979 --> 01:22:54.180
Yeah, yeah.

1924
01:22:54.239 --> 01:22:54.779
I love it.

1925
01:22:54.840 --> 01:22:55.500
Just love it.

1926
01:22:55.619 --> 01:22:57.539
Anyway, come on.

1927
01:22:57.600 --> 01:22:59.340
Let's watch something. don't you reckon?

1928
01:23:00.300 --> 01:23:01.439
For the whole conversation.

1929
01:23:01.500 --> 01:23:03.300
Oh maybe.

1930
01:23:03.359 --> 01:23:04.920
Yeah, go on, but yeah.

1931
01:23:06.239 --> 01:23:07.319
Will upset everybody.

1932
01:23:07.380 --> 01:23:09.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1933
01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:11.699
You listen to me everyone.

1934
01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:15.600
The last Jedi, the best Star Wars movie of all time.

1935
01:23:15.659 --> 01:23:16.380
All right?

1936
01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:17.279
It's pretty good.

1937
01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:18.479
It's a bleeding planet.

1938
01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:21.180
All right.