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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back doing Deep Space 9 this week, and we're doing an episode called His Way, which is series 6, episode 20, and it's a pretty important episode in the history of Star Trek Deep Space 9, and I want you to tell us why.

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Is it because they pulled off a romance episode that actually worked for the 1st time?

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That's exactly it.

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It is...

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It is also Jimmy Darren's 1st appearance in the show and he left us sort of fairly recently.

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And so I think this random choice was sort of fairly well timed.

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I'm going to say that I thought this was extremely good, just superb.

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I enjoyed a lot.

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I would ask this question straight away.

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Why, and I love this too.

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I've always loved this episode.

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I watched it religiously when the VHS.

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With this in the Power Moonlight came out together.

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Oh, okay.

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Star Trek's Peaks. downhill from here.

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And they were just so like tonally different as well.

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I was like, this show can do anything, you know?

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Juggle empires and romantic comedies.

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Superbly.

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Why then?

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Is this divisive?

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I don't know.

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I think it's easily better than in the pale moonlight.

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It's...

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Sorry, I think there's a couple of where we've lost our last listener.

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I don't care.

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So I think that people don't like romance, we talked about this before, that romance is traditionally a female concern and that Star Trek has always had a mostly male fandom, and obviously that has been changing as time has gone on, and it was never quite as true as everyone sort of suspected it was.

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And so romance was something that, I mean, was kind of always sort of part of Star Trek, even to some degree in TOS.

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But the romance episode becomes a thing in TNG, I think.

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And it's done generally badly.

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But we've certainly had fun watching those TNG romance episodes.

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So I think that's one reason.

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And I think the other reason is that people want there to be war.

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It's season six.

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We're getting towards the end of series 6.

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We know that there's a limited amount of time left, and there are certain people who think that if we're not doing in the pale moonlight every week, we're wasting our time.

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And I think that's absolutely wrong headed.

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You know, my favourite episodes of this runner. things like that are being better bang, and take me out to the hola suite.

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Um, and I think that Star Trek always does something different.

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I said I was out of sync with Star Trek the last couple of weeks, you know, Star Trek fans as a whole.

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I feel this may be where you're slimy out of scene with Star Trek fandom, but I love you for that, you know.

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I think we did tell a lie, though, at the start of this episode because you are cordially invited was earlier this season, and that was also a very funny, very affecting romance episode, you know, with a big wedding.

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Okay, well.

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So what DS9 has learned is, and it's taken a long time, I don't know how many seasons we are into 90s trek now, is when you start pairing up the regulars with good chemistry, then, you know, good drama and shoes.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, compare how they kind of flub it with Tom and Belana in Voyager, where that relationship does continue, but it always seems to be kind of subordinated.

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Well, com romance.

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Bad sitcom, but but also it's subordinated to the space problems, you know.

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And so we never even see the wedding because we've already seen the fake space wedding in, of course, oblivion.

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And so we never get to see the actual wedding.

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You have to remind us of that episode.

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Yeah, so awful.

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And so we, you know, we just see the just married being on the back of the Delta Flyer as they sort of fly off at the end of some other episode.

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And so they never really do it properly.

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Tom Blott is like the least riskiest romance they possibly could have done.

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Yeah, the 2 young hot engineer and pilot of the ship.

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What would have been a risk would be Janeway and Shakotay, which we touched on in the brilliant episode resolutions that we did.

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And they absolutely just tied that in a bow and put it away, didn't they?

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They wouldn't take the risk.

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Yeah, I think we said at the end that Star Trek Voyager intervened at the end and ruined that romance.

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You know, it's like, no, we've got to go back and do Star Trek Voyager now, and it was hard not to feel a little bit sad about that as an outcome.

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Or they would take the risk at the end.

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We said the same thing with Troy and more from TNG. and they did it with Chakotay and 7 in Voyager. and neither of them worked.

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One because it's just pairings that why?

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They just don't work.

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But 2 is like, yeah, you're wrapping up in 5 episodes.

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Well done for pair of those 2 characters.

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What they realised on DS9 really early was on this stationary setting was that you could start doing these soap opera storylines.

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And then what comes from that, obviously, are the romances.

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So Cisco meets Cassidy in series 3 and we see that through to a wedding in series 7.

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That makes wharf in series 4, suddenly they're flirting throughout that season and then we get looking for Palmark in all the wrong places where she finally goes, I've had enough of you not bedding me.

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I'm literally gonna throw you on the floor and get on top of you right now.

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And that leads to a wedding.

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And then, yeah, really early in the realm, in the collaborator in series 2 of DS9, there's a scene where Kira says to Odo, I love Barile. and Renee Obershamois, for whatever reason, because it ain't in the script, makes an acting choice where he looks devastated at that news and the writers went, oh my god.

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We've got an unrequited romance story, and that runs through series 3 where you have Heart of Stone, the wonderful episode where...

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Kira has an enormous crystal growing over her, and Nodo confesses his undying love rose.

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Something we know, but he hasn't actually said out loud.

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It's a great moment though when it comes.

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He sort of like collapses to the floor with the weight of the emission.

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Then we get crossfire in series 4 where Shikar is having assassinations attend this against him and at one point Odo thinks, oh, shall I save him?

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Oh, no, I like it.

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And Kira's Kira's using Odo as like the busy mate that she sort of pours her heart out to, even though it's killing him.

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And you have a wonderful scene between him and Quark in that episode where Hawk basically says, I know how you feel.

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And Odo just says, get out of my quarters.

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Right the way through to children of time where a brilliant high concept episode where, and actually, this is running through season after season, very gently sort of bubbling under the surface while they're doing all their other stuff with this friendship. where an older Odo confesses his love for Kira, he's been waiting for years to be able to tell her, and then poor younger Odo when we go back to him at the end of the episode is left to deal with the consequences of that.

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Then call to arms at the end of the season, Odo says, look, we're going to war next season, so let's just put this on hold.

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There you get the brilliant behind the lines where the female shapeshifter comes onto the station, realises he's got feelings of Kira and starts to manipulate him and he betrays her.

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Then you get that wonderful moment in your accordingly invited where, thank God, they go off into a cupboard and have a heart to heart, and by the time they come out, everything's all right again.

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They are good friends.

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Yeah, which leads us to his way, which is where we're finally going to see the culmination of what is it?

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5 seasons of this stuff come into a head.

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And it was either going to go one way or another, they was going to get it on or they weren't.

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Oh, please they did.

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And there's a reason why they do, because I think Ira Stephen Bear says that he knew at this point that Odo would be going back with the Founders at the end, and so in order to make that decision bigger and more kind of tragic and costly, he needs to leave someone behind.

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And so that, which is one of the most heartbreaking things about that final episode, um, is planned.

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That's why we have this.

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That's why they decide to go for it.

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And I don't think either or Renee was super keen on it, although they like this episode.

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No, apparently she had a huge row with Ira Bear in Ops going, we are not doing this.

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And he's like, you're one of the actors.

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You're through what you're told.

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But it's the right choice because it does play into the ending and it gives the 2 of them the chance to drop being space people for a 2nd.

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And I think this has one of then our visitor's best scenes in it.

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And it is just her being relaxed and unsure of herself. vulnerable.

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Yeah, it's most useful way.

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I couldn't keep my eyes off it.

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Well, I mean, I'd rather look at her than Odo's makeup anyway.

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More on that later.

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What's great about this is obviously it does lead to one of my all-time favourite scenes in Star Trek ever, which is that snog on the promenade.

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So perfectly scripted, acted, and directed.

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I just love and scored as well, brilliantly scored.

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And it leads to a really surprisingly mature and understated relationship between the 2 of them.

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That, you know, we did tacking into the wind recently.

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And just like the drama they got out of this relationship.

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I love I love the bit in Challows and the Super Bowl.

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Do you remember where he gives sort of the detective novel and goes, well, you're going to be hanging around.

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So you may as well read this.

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It's about a tough space bitch, just like you, you know.

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Like, just lovely stuff like that.

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They've learnt the lessons from TNG that this is the sort of thing that they should explore and I think they do it really well.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, what do you think?

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Shall we go in?

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I definitely think we should do it.

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I should warn you there, maybe some singing in this episode because I love.

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I love this rat pack music.

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I love it.

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The last thing I will say is finally, we've reached a romance episode of Star Trek that not quite reaches the level of the romance between you and I. Because I can think of no other reason that you would be sitting there, you know, busy man in the evening, talking to me, basically in stained long johns, looking absolutely rough as hell talking about Star Trek.

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So our romance is now going to lead into this romance.

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Let's go.

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Let's do it All right.

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I will count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I kind of know the answer to this question, but I'm going to ask you.

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I'm assuming you don't object to singing in Star Trek.

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Oh, no, and that was the other thing.

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And the thing that we didn't say is this is just a musical.

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And so we have this song, uh, and then we have a reprise of this song at the end.

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We are currently singing what, uh, uh, find me someone to love you.

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I don't know what it's called, actually.

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What's the song?

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And yourself somebody.

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Find yourself somebody to love, somebody love. yourself somebody.

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I mean, I love a musical.

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Oh me too.

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I think they're particularly adept at using Vic for is choosing a song that's relevant to particular scenes and the themes of the episodes that they use in.

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So in what you leave behind.

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It's the way you look tonight.

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It's so beautiful.

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In, um, CG of AR558, so I'll be seeing you as a very slow song.

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Yeah, yeah, and a war song, you know, like a World War 2 song, yeah.

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And of course, it's only a paper moon in the Nog and Vic episode about PTSD.

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So they use him really brilliantly.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And like, that's the other thing.

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Like, I love a musical.

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Like, this is a musical episode before the Strange New World's musical episode, I think.

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Because even though the music is kind of digetic, you know, like it is a thing that's just happening.

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You know, the choice of having Vic as a semi-regular character now, you know, they've introduced semi-regular characters before, and they've rarely sort of dropped them in just like, like it seems odd, doesn't it, for a new character to suddenly appear at the end of series 9 series 6, the 2nd last year.

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I mean, I think when you watch this, you think this is going to be a one shot episode and we're never going to see him again.

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It's quite surprising when he turns up again in tears of the profits.

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Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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So it's a while before he doesn't comes back and he doesn't come back until...

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Do you remember what he sings in that one?

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Here's to the losers, to Cork and Bashir.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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So this is a long running joke as well about Felix.

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Felix has many holosuite programs for Bashir.

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There's a wonderful joke in.

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It's only a paper moon where they mock all of his previous programs that have gone horrible roles.

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The Arman Bishir one, you know, things like that.

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Would that get to mention here too?

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They really are sort of tying it all together, aren't they?

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Just in lots of subtle ways.

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Yeah, well, they've got a lot of sort of stuff, you know, like, I just think this is such a brilliant idea.

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And can I just address the people who kind of go, well, this isn't a, this isn't even a real person.

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We talked about this in better being better bang.

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You know, if you think that Vic Fontaine isn't a real person, I've got terrible news for you about all of the other characters on Deep Space Night.

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What's that Nathan?

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They're also not real people.

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They're equally not real and equally real.

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I think making myself aware hologram is really great.

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It means that he gets to kind of comment on, you know, he doesn't, he, it's exactly what he says.

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You know, he can't be this lounge singer if he doesn't know what's going on.

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If everyone else is aware that they're on a space station in the future and he doesn't know that.

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I think he's got pretty, pretty sweet Freds for a light bulb, you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's so funny.

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But the fact that he says Tetabab will put in this 50s slash.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But also, you know, like he can appear in Kira's holodeck program.

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He's able to call Odo on the phone. you know, like he has, you know, enough ability to kind of manipulate the world that he's in.

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I think is really good.

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I think the person light in this episode got the note as well.

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This is a really warmly lit episode all the way.

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I think, sort of, tonally, they...

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So the thing is in this episode that Dax, for some reason, is particularly ditsy, and he or she accidentally lets it slip that Kira's going to visit Shaka, and she goes...

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She's the gossip... the entire station.

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When she sees them kissing it again.

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All she's thinking is, my God, that's my gossip for the morning.

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Yes.

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So good.

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That's why I like these characters, though. just feel like real people.

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We do gossip Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like that's their workplace, isn't it?

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It's fun.

211
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So we're setting up the premise now.

212
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You did say sort of in the pre-title sequence, you know, we need to set up the premise of the episode.

213
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Odo's listening to Bashir tell O'Brien that he got love advice from his lightbulb friend in the holosuite.

214
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Oh, maybe I could get the girl then.

215
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It's really good, isn't it, too?

216
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Because it's well set up because he's got good reason to believe that he's going to get good advice from Vic because Vic knows that Worf and Dax are married and that O'Brien's missing his wife.

217
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And then he spots something about Kira and Odo, but doesn't say anything.

218
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You know, he stops himself from saying what it is.

219
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And uh, and so, and that's the great thing about it too.

220
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It's very odd.

221
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Does Odo ever go on the holodeck?

222
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He doesn't because he doesn't really do entertainment, does he?

223
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The last time we saw him go anywhere near it, he was stopping that Kira, you know, the Kira sex program for being made.

224
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That's right.

225
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That's right.

226
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So, so he doesn't do that sort of thing.

227
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So having him go to the holodeck to visit Fontaine's bar is very weird and unusual.

228
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And all of this thing that happens, which is just wonderful.

229
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This sort of Cyrano de Bergerac thing where you have Vic Fontaine coaching him, and he manages, despite the fact that this is, you know, 1994 or whatever it is, um, or 1962.

230
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Um, it's 1998.

231
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Without being sort of sexist or horrible.

232
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Do you know what I mean?

233
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Like he manages the show managers not to kind of patronise Kira.

234
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That's a really brilliant point you made there because I think in the way that he has written, the casting is vital.

235
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I think Vic could have come across as being quite arrogant and a couple of points a little bit sexist the way he sort of brings in and uses the women in various ways.

236
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But Jimmy Darren is so smooth.

237
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He is so pleasant.

238
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And so charming.

239
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I don't think there's a more charming character in Star Trek than Jimmy Darren is a vic I'm saying.

240
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He's pretty amazing.

241
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It's lovely.

242
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Yeah.

243
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And apparently he did know Frank and Nancy Sinatra.

244
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Apparently he was he was sort of, they said, you know, do you want to do Star Trek?

245
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and he was like, oh, no, not really.

246
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And then he got the script and he went, get my Asian on the phone.

247
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I'm going to do it.

248
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Oh boy, this scene between, I just love this.

249
00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:12.779
Because why is Odo unburdening himself to Quark?

250
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Like, it's so weird.

251
00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:16.140
And like we we come in.

252
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Who else is this?

253
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No, no, it's even better than that, though.

254
00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:23.640
You know, it's like, what's happening here?

255
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Why are they talking about this?

256
00:19:24.900 --> 00:19:27.660
And you can see how unwilling he is to talk?

257
00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:32.700
And then Otis goes, okay, we need to talk to you about. a missing shipment of whatever.

258
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Something in roach or something.

259
00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:39.059
Like, it's just like, he constantly talks like a Fringia.

260
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I love that.

261
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Have you ever tried to open negotiations with Maj Shakira?

262
00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:47.039
Yeah, I came here to talk about a missing shipment of growed clusters.

263
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You started talking about the major.

264
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Who cares?

265
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And something stupid.

266
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But that's really fun.

267
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Like, that's awesome.

268
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And that's the sort of sitcommy stuff that happens all the way through here, I think.

269
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And this is where you see 2 actors have done a lot of comedy elsewhere.

270
00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.619
Yeah, yeah. can just time this stuff and use their chemistry.

271
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And this, like this, this bit, you're not the most loveable person in the galaxy or in this sector or on the station or even in this room.

272
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You are cold, which is remote.

273
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But I go now. yes please do.

274
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Nathan, how much night is straight with terrible comedy have we sat for?

275
00:20:31.019 --> 00:20:32.339
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

276
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Where have they been hiding this?

277
00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:41.819
Well, I think of 90s strike, the only show that does it really successfully is Deep Space 9, I think.

278
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It's so lovely as well.

279
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I just can't tell you how lovely it is that they're doing something a bit different with the score and they're using the piano and all of that.

280
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In scene set on the station as well.

281
00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:55.559
I'm like, why don't you do this more often as well?

282
00:20:55.619 --> 00:20:56.460
Yeah.

283
00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:57.240
Yeah, it's funny.

284
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I love this drink.

285
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One warp court breach coming up.

286
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It's an enormous fish bowl with this fropping drink.

287
00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:06.420
And then he doesn't drink it.

288
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He doesn't even try.

289
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No, I don't know what's happening here.

290
00:21:08.819 --> 00:21:10.380
Oh, no, no, more than sailor.

291
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He will laugh it.

292
00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:12.059
Yeah, Morn will have it.

293
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That's right.

294
00:21:12.539 --> 00:21:14.819
He does Pat Mourn on the thing.

295
00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:16.619
It does look like a war court breach, doesn't it?

296
00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:19.859
It does...

297
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I reckon you could draw a smart face in that.

298
00:21:22.019 --> 00:21:23.039
Yeah, that's right.

299
00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:33.059
Oh, and look, Quark's protecting Odo as well, because he doesn't want to embarrass him.

300
00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:33.839
Yeah, exactly.

301
00:21:33.900 --> 00:21:34.559
Exactly.

302
00:21:34.619 --> 00:21:40.619
It's their it's their unspoken relationship that provides the most touching moments right up until...

303
00:21:40.619 --> 00:21:43.079
Do you remember when Court goes to see him?

304
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Aren't you going to say goodbye to me?

305
00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:47.099
No, Nerys, I'll be on the runabout.

306
00:21:50.220 --> 00:21:52.380
And do you like the set?

307
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Do you like Vic set?

308
00:21:53.460 --> 00:21:54.839
Um, yes.

309
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I mean, it's still very brown and stuff.

310
00:21:59.099 --> 00:22:18.839
But, but I like the Vic Fontaine thing on the curtains, and I like there's a little kind of painting on the, behind the bar, which they specially made, which I think looks pretty cool, and it's different, you know, like it, we get them to see them in a, in a not a space environment, which is kind of nice.

311
00:22:18.900 --> 00:22:22.500
Oh, I think they realise in series 7, you know what?

312
00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:25.980
We didn't do all that sort of fabulous 60s art deco enough.

313
00:22:26.099 --> 00:22:36.119
So it's only a paper moon, you know, we're living in Vic's house with these gorgeous sofas and sideboards and outrageous mirrors on the wall and then it's wonderful.

314
00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:44.519
I do like, I just, again, it's just lit in a different way, so the bit where Kira comes out and starts singing and it's spoiled. so good.

315
00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:45.660
It is so good.

316
00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:54.960
I was sort of watching, I was watching the direction of this, and I think this, this genre is very hard to get right.

317
00:22:55.019 --> 00:22:58.920
And there's a few moments where, and it's Alan Croeco. normally does.

318
00:22:58.980 --> 00:23:02.220
He does a call to arms, what you leave behind you, the biggies.

319
00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:04.980
He's just as adept at doing this, I think.

320
00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:06.599
Yeah, yeah.

321
00:23:06.660 --> 00:23:07.799
And he said that he liked this.

322
00:23:07.859 --> 00:23:09.839
I mean, I think this works incredibly well.

323
00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:13.380
You know, the music, the lighting, the direction.

324
00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:15.240
I think it's good, you know.

325
00:23:15.299 --> 00:23:19.680
And all of those bits in, you know, when people are...

326
00:23:19.740 --> 00:23:25.619
I love this, Jesus Christ, where he's got one of the tiny umbrellas for a cocktail and he's playing with it.

327
00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:28.920
Oh, I love that line there.

328
00:23:28.980 --> 00:23:31.079
I've used that with a few friends.

329
00:23:31.140 --> 00:23:32.880
Look, she already likes you, all right?

330
00:23:32.940 --> 00:23:33.900
That means you're halfway there.

331
00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:35.220
You just got get there.

332
00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:36.599
Yeah.

333
00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:54.599
But what's great about Renee is he plays these early scenes, like his usual rigid statuesque odo, and you just watch him thaw and relax throughout the episode until the moments where he's obviously humiliated horribly, and then he becomes a statue.

334
00:23:54.660 --> 00:23:55.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

335
00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:55.980
Yeah.

336
00:23:56.039 --> 00:24:07.319
I mean, in fact, I really, really like this, this series of scenes because Kira's away now on Bajor with horrible Shakaar, a.k.a.

337
00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:09.299
Ronan from...

338
00:24:09.299 --> 00:24:10.440
Oh, it is, isn't it?

339
00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:14.279
Yeah. from some...

340
00:24:14.339 --> 00:24:18.420
In fact, so was Parile Carer, terrible taste, man.

341
00:24:18.900 --> 00:24:23.940
And this, like, there's a very sort of data-ish thing here.

342
00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:34.619
Like, you know, there's always that sort of thing where Odo's set up to be someone who stands apart from humanity and critiques it and staff.

343
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:36.660
He's not really that much like data.

344
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:37.680
This.

345
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:38.519
Oh, dear.

346
00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:42.299
Yeah, there's a couple of really terrible effect.

347
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:49.559
There's one later where Kira's starting to get a hollow sweet and you know it's about to change to the regular... background because she's matted in.

348
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:50.819
But I do like it.

349
00:24:51.900 --> 00:24:55.920
I like how he just creates a tuxedo to wear.

350
00:24:55.980 --> 00:24:58.920
I think... going to have fun.

351
00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:00.599
He goes, you mean like this?

352
00:25:00.660 --> 00:25:02.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

353
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:02.640
That's it.

354
00:25:02.700 --> 00:25:05.640
In fact, this scene is absolutely superb, right?

355
00:25:05.700 --> 00:25:09.539
Because it's, it's there's nothing happening.

356
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:11.940
We just have the song, right?

357
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:17.519
Um, and like the song goes for quite a while, like a much longer than you would think.

358
00:25:17.579 --> 00:25:21.180
It is just like a musical number in the middle of a, in the middle of a thing.

359
00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:23.700
Um, and all that's happening.

360
00:25:23.940 --> 00:25:25.920
It's a great song.

361
00:25:25.980 --> 00:25:27.240
So this has come fly with me, right?

362
00:25:27.299 --> 00:25:29.279
And it's lie with me.

363
00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:30.599
Let's take off.

364
00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:31.319
Sorry, yeah.

365
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:33.240
Yeah, this is the one that they reprise at the end.

366
00:25:33.299 --> 00:25:35.759
It's not the your nobody till somebody loves you.

367
00:25:35.819 --> 00:25:37.319
Oh, that's such a funny line.

368
00:25:37.380 --> 00:25:38.220
You don't need me.

369
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:39.480
The piano's doing all the work.

370
00:25:39.539 --> 00:25:41.579
And he's trying to keep up with it.

371
00:25:41.579 --> 00:25:48.059
So yeah, watch him.

372
00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:54.539
Just the entire thing is down to how Odo changes during the course of this, right?

373
00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:57.240
And he's he's overthinking it.

374
00:25:57.299 --> 00:26:05.039
He's awkward, he's in on himself, he's sort of concentrating, you know, he's he's sort of rigid in his movements and then he just relaxes.

375
00:26:05.099 --> 00:26:10.259
I think relaxes want to invite them back, invite him back to their room after this.

376
00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:14.460
Like, the magic, he's like...

377
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:18.480
He starts sort of shaking his head, you know, in that way you do when you really relax.

378
00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:20.700
And at the end he goes, cool.

379
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:25.859
And he's still a dork, like he's still a massive dog.

380
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:27.180
Of course you're not.

381
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:28.619
And that's adorable.

382
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:29.880
What he is is adorable.

383
00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:31.920
Like he's chill and adorable.

384
00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:34.740
No point in this episode does Odo become Vic Fontaine.

385
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:35.940
Mick is smooth.

386
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:37.740
Od is not smooth. you know?

387
00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:40.799
But you love him. and fuck me.

388
00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:43.740
We've all had an unrequited romance in our lives.

389
00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:45.000
All of us at some point.

390
00:26:45.660 --> 00:26:49.079
So we buy into this from the very start.

391
00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:55.619
But then you add Renee to the mix and you're just, your heart goes out to him for in every single scene.

392
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:59.759
I still think, like, why is the band sidling up to the piano?

393
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:02.279
They really look like they're gonna invite him back.

394
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:05.759
You know what?

395
00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:14.460
I'm going to drop this now, but, you know, my overall said when he watched this, I will come back to this later, because I'm going to end the episode telling you about his experience of watching this episode.

396
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:18.660
He goes, oh, he goes, it's a romance with a Burns victim.

397
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:21.240
I was like, will you be quiet, please?

398
00:27:21.299 --> 00:27:22.619
I'm trying to enjoy this.

399
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:25.740
I mean, you said to me in the chat that makeup is an issue.

400
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.079
But it's his look, isn't it?

401
00:27:28.140 --> 00:27:28.619
What can you do?

402
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:41.400
But it is, it is also, you know, like you can see Renee having to play it bigger because his face is so sort of slathered in latex and he manages to do it because he's really great.

403
00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:49.680
But you do kind of think if only we'd had a kind of makeup job that had let us see his facial features a little bit more.

404
00:27:49.740 --> 00:27:51.660
Oh, he's doing great.

405
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:59.220
If I can believe in the romance between Penny Johnson, Gerald and that robot in Seth McFarlane's.

406
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:00.480
What's that show called?

407
00:28:00.539 --> 00:28:02.640
The gay robot in Orville.

408
00:28:02.700 --> 00:28:06.720
Yeah, I mean, she literally snogs the sphere of the robot.

409
00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:08.579
If I can believe that, I can believe this.

410
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:10.140
No, no, fair enough.

411
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:13.920
I mean, we make some concessions with science fiction, don't we?

412
00:28:13.980 --> 00:28:14.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

413
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:16.440
But look, I mean, look.

414
00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:21.180
All we're doing is singing this song and just watching Odo loosen up.

415
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:21.839
And look at him now.

416
00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:24.059
Like, he's really going for the piano.

417
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:25.440
He's singing along.

418
00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:28.079
Um, you know, it's really...

419
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:31.079
It's like me on the dance floor because I'm really awkward on the dance floor.

420
00:28:31.140 --> 00:28:32.819
I feel really embarrassed.

421
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:35.279
But then I sort you sort of loosen up after a bit, don't you?

422
00:28:35.339 --> 00:28:37.019
and get into it.

423
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:40.380
And then you realise it doesn't actually matter that you look ridiculous. that's right.

424
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:41.940
And he still looks ridiculous.

425
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.380
But in an adorable way.

426
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:46.559
It is, it's like the outrageous O'Connor, isn't it?

427
00:28:46.619 --> 00:28:56.160
It's like data going to the holodeck to get I think this is why people's heckles were up with their thinking, Oh boy, are we doing the outracial O'Connor?

428
00:28:56.220 --> 00:29:00.059
Yeah, yeah, and the outrageous O'Connor, to be fair, is bad. terrible.

429
00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:04.200
Although O'Connor has turned up both in prodigy and in lower decks.

430
00:29:04.259 --> 00:29:05.880
So it's memorable.

431
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:11.759
I have to say, I spent more time watching extras in this episode than I ever have before.

432
00:29:11.819 --> 00:29:16.920
And all the people in Vic's bar are the people that are on the Promenade.

433
00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:23.279
There's a hot guy that just Lola Crystal sings fever too. which is pretty good.

434
00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:25.500
Oh, Lola Crystal.

435
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:28.920
I thought I was on the turn watching that.

436
00:29:28.980 --> 00:29:30.059
It's so great.

437
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.140
Oh, is this a bit where those 2 bimbos come in?

438
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.319
They have to take them to the dunes or the sands.

439
00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:38.460
Oh, these comedy clubs?

440
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:40.680
They're talking?

441
00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:45.539
No, no, but they do talk about comic, you know, like, because it's Vegas. you know what I mean?

442
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:49.140
There's people doing comedy things and they mention a few comedians and stuff as well.

443
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:56.339
Um, And, you know, like, like Vic has a sort of line in kind of fun pattern stuff.

444
00:29:56.819 --> 00:29:58.740
She goes, what is it?

445
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.180
We're going to go and see Shecky.

446
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:00.960
Shecky.

447
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:01.680
No, no, fight.

448
00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:02.099
Who?

449
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.220
I don't think anyone knows who Sheck is.

450
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.380
Look at that fabulous couch he's got there.

451
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:08.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

452
00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:10.680
All the cushions on that stuff is so good.

453
00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:12.180
We're very 60s, aren't we?

454
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.460
We could be back in at Simon Earth again.

455
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:15.839
Well, that's the thing.

456
00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:24.299
I mean, this is the early 60s, isn't it, rather than late 60s, but there is a kind of 60s vibe to some of the stuff even in the 80s.

457
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:29.759
And I think leaning into the 60s, which is stylish as hell, is absolutely the right thing to do.

458
00:30:29.819 --> 00:30:31.619
I mean, look how fabulous those women look.

459
00:30:31.740 --> 00:30:34.079
I mean why don't women dress like this now?

460
00:30:34.140 --> 00:30:35.039
I mean, you know.

461
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:37.559
The 60s was the best time, I think.

462
00:30:37.619 --> 00:30:38.519
Absolutely.

463
00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:39.480
Absolutely.

464
00:30:39.539 --> 00:30:41.460
Well, I love how...

465
00:30:41.460 --> 00:30:43.259
Well, you look at that...

466
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:44.160
Which one?

467
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:45.119
indoor story.

468
00:30:45.180 --> 00:30:46.920
I just love the designs.

469
00:30:47.579 --> 00:30:51.480
Yes, that says everything about my sexuality, doesn't it?

470
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:53.099
I'm looking at the lamp.

471
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:57.059
Oh, can I look at your hands?

472
00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:59.099
They're so artistic.

473
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:00.779
Yeah, they're great.

474
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.960
He doesn't quite know what to do.

475
00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:08.940
And now she's comparing him to Liber Archie, who had very sweet dimples and was clearly extremely gay.

476
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:23.039
Apparently, Shecky, according to Memory Alpha is Shecky Green, who was a comedian who did a show for 30 years in Vegas because people just end up, you know, doing it forever there, I think.

477
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:31.319
I'm wondering, you know, Jimmy Darren wasn't a bit of a creative consultant on all this stuff, given that, you know, he was involved with this stuff back in the day.

478
00:31:31.380 --> 00:31:40.680
Maybe, maybe, but, um, you know, it's the sort of thing that, you know, it's the perfect kind of thing to choose, I think.

479
00:31:40.740 --> 00:31:46.559
Think of all of those dismal fucking holodeck programs that they went to for entertainment on Voyager over the years.

480
00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:52.799
And how just kind of conceived they were. terrible.

481
00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:57.180
I love that lie where she went, he plays the piano and he's funny.

482
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.160
How do you get to Carnegie Hall?

483
00:32:02.220 --> 00:32:04.859
The more I'm watching this, right?

484
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:09.779
The more I know that Star Trek fans are just really irritated the more this goes on.

485
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:11.279
I love it more.

486
00:32:11.339 --> 00:32:12.420
It's so good.

487
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.779
It's so great Oh, boring, Deep Space nine.

488
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:16.680
Do we have to go back?

489
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:19.799
Oh, this is one of the best scenes.

490
00:32:19.859 --> 00:32:23.519
Odo going to deliver his whatever report.

491
00:32:23.579 --> 00:32:28.619
It's a report about a smuggling ring. been so bewitched by all the music.

492
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:30.480
He starts singing in Cisco's office.

493
00:32:30.539 --> 00:32:34.740
Yeah, no, they can't take that away from me.

494
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:39.119
But the best bit is when Avery joins in.

495
00:32:39.180 --> 00:32:47.099
And like I said to you at the end of Batter being Better Bang, you know, why doesn't Avery sing every week on this show?

496
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.440
He's got the most beautiful tenor voice.

497
00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:50.880
He's astoundingly great.

498
00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:56.460
He's so good with Jimmy Darren in that duet at the end of the at the end of the episode.

499
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:57.660
The best is yet to come.

500
00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:59.039
You know, I don't know.

501
00:32:59.099 --> 00:33:01.500
It's so good.

502
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:02.039
Look at him.

503
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:06.420
Nothing that lights up my life. more than Avery Brooks smiling like that.

504
00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:08.339
Yeah, beautiful.

505
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.579
It's like an endorsement of life, isn't it?

506
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:12.480
It is, isn't it?

507
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:15.779
And then they start singing together.

508
00:33:16.140 --> 00:33:17.940
That's so wonderful.

509
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:24.599
And Odo sings in that sort of growly way that is absolutely perfect for the character.

510
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:25.319
Sort of terrible.

511
00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:27.059
It's wonderful.

512
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.220
But it's also a bit period, I think.

513
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:30.960
But yeah, yeah, it's so good.

514
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:34.440
Oh, I wonder how long they sang for before he went well.

515
00:33:34.500 --> 00:33:35.460
Oh, go then, shall I?

516
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:36.599
Oh, here we go.

517
00:33:36.660 --> 00:33:37.859
So this is me at work now.

518
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:39.480
So Dax is going down the corridor.

519
00:33:39.539 --> 00:33:43.559
She about to get him the lift and she's got the latest hot goss about Kira.

520
00:33:43.619 --> 00:33:44.279
Yes, yeah.

521
00:33:44.339 --> 00:33:46.859
Unfortunately, Bashir's there.

522
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:52.259
Well, Reggie and waiting to hear it. hear of them.

523
00:33:52.500 --> 00:33:56.099
Like this is the sort of scene on Voyager that would just tank.

524
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

525
00:33:58.259 --> 00:33:59.579
Yeah, I don't know why it is.

526
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:00.359
Are they older?

527
00:34:00.420 --> 00:34:01.920
They're just generally better, I think.

528
00:34:01.980 --> 00:34:03.599
And the dialogue is better.

529
00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:05.759
On the whole...

530
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:06.299
I'm not sure.

531
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.480
Maybe they've relaxed more than the Voyager crew.

532
00:34:09.539 --> 00:34:10.739
Yeah, maybe that's it.

533
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:12.059
Maybe that's it.

534
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:12.659
No lie there.

535
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:14.280
She goes, well, Sodo got to do with it.

536
00:34:14.340 --> 00:34:14.940
Nothing at all.

537
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:16.139
That's the problem.

538
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah. she's such a bimbo in this.

539
00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:21.360
It's really funny how ditsy she is.

540
00:34:21.420 --> 00:34:22.739
I love it. just awesome.

541
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:25.019
Well, they do it again, Jimmer, and cheers on the prophets.

542
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:26.280
We're having a baby.

543
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.400
It was a secret.

544
00:34:29.579 --> 00:34:36.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah Now, we are going to see potentially the sexiest moment ever in Star Trek.

545
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:37.679
Oh my goodness.

546
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:39.000
Oh this is so great.

547
00:34:39.059 --> 00:34:41.099
Yeah, this is really probably good.

548
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.579
And this is one of my favourite songs ever, I think, Fever.

549
00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:47.400
And, you know, she is so beautiful.

550
00:34:47.460 --> 00:34:48.480
She's so good in it.

551
00:34:48.539 --> 00:34:53.219
This is one of 2 songs that played on my wedding day.

552
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:55.380
So I had a singer on my wedding day.

553
00:34:55.980 --> 00:35:01.980
And Fever was one of them, and I've got you under my skin, which is one of my favourite songs ever. which are both in this.

554
00:35:02.099 --> 00:35:04.800
That was, I've got your normal ice skim was our 1st dance.

555
00:35:04.860 --> 00:35:08.340
So I have, and it's because of, I 1st heard it here.

556
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:09.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

557
00:35:09.659 --> 00:35:11.099
Well, both of them are in this.

558
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:16.380
So the definitive version of Fever is, of course, Rita Marino on the Muppet show.

559
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:19.860
Yeah, yeah, absolutely incredible.

560
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:23.699
And you should all go and watch that immediately after this episode's over.

561
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:25.920
This may be the 2nd best version.

562
00:35:25.980 --> 00:35:31.260
She didn't get an Emmy for it, I think, actually, her performance in the Muppet show, so...

563
00:35:31.260 --> 00:35:33.960
Well, I think Nunal visitor should have gotten Emmy.

564
00:35:34.019 --> 00:35:35.099
This is so good.

565
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:39.300
This, look how sexy that is. and just they've turned the lights down.

566
00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:42.360
She sort of steps out of the darkness.

567
00:35:42.420 --> 00:35:45.480
Yeah, and how beautifully framed that is.

568
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:46.860
Look at her looking at him.

569
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:49.440
So good, looking at the...

570
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:50.280
Everything she does.

571
00:35:50.340 --> 00:35:53.159
She strokes the instrument.

572
00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:53.699
Yeah, yeah.

573
00:35:53.699 --> 00:36:03.659
She sort of sidles up to people in a very romantic way, stroking the symbol there, stretches across that piano in the most luxurious way you've ever seen.

574
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:04.920
Yeah, yeah.

575
00:36:04.980 --> 00:36:06.659
Wonderful. at that.

576
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:12.599
I, I couldn't, and that, look at what she's doing in the microphone.

577
00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:13.619
It's...

578
00:36:13.619 --> 00:36:17.159
It was limp and now it's...

579
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:21.840
Star Trek. are you doing?

580
00:36:21.900 --> 00:36:23.699
Honest to God.

581
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.860
It's like rotten Barry's back.

582
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:27.900
She's singing to that handsome man there.

583
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:29.219
Woo hoo.

584
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.039
Oh, look, the way the camera went up with her then.

585
00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:33.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

586
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.519
And the red, it's so great.

587
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:36.659
Fingering the piano.

588
00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:37.920
Of course she is.

589
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.400
Back to back with Odo now.

590
00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:43.860
Yeah, this so good.

591
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:46.199
Oh, she's loving this song too much.

592
00:36:49.380 --> 00:36:51.300
Oh boy, boy.

593
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:55.380
Odo looks like he has literally got to forgive me.

594
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:57.059
It looks like it's going to explode.

595
00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:58.199
That's right.

596
00:36:58.260 --> 00:37:00.059
It's all just a bit too much for him still.

597
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:01.440
You remember that bit?

598
00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:03.719
In crossover where he just blew up.

599
00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:05.639
He's about to go again.

600
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:10.980
Oh, watch yourself on that piano, love.

601
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:12.300
Ah she's so good.

602
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:13.559
Look at that.

603
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.380
What a lovely way to burn.

604
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:17.340
So good.

605
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:25.679
It's like, you know, we said there's a couple of times, but like, right, the light of this world, the music's good.

606
00:37:25.739 --> 00:37:27.900
You know, everyone looks sexy and gorgeous.

607
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:29.099
Like Star Trek, where have you been?

608
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:30.719
Why are you doing this every week?

609
00:37:30.780 --> 00:37:31.500
Exactly.

610
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:35.760
Oh, that's awesome.

611
00:37:35.820 --> 00:37:36.719
So good.

612
00:37:36.780 --> 00:37:47.039
And again, just as a musical number, it's so enjoyable, you know, there's character stuff happening, obviously, but I'm just enjoying hearing that no visitors sing.

613
00:37:47.460 --> 00:38:00.179
And it really does lead into something that I say about DS9 all the time, and that is, I think the format of Deep Space 9 stretches further than any of the other nine-ish.

614
00:38:00.300 --> 00:38:01.139
Yeah, yeah.

615
00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:04.500
When you think last week was in the Palm Moon night.

616
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.860
Next week is the reckoning, which is like religious war, you know?

617
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:09.179
yeah.

618
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:11.579
Yeah, there's a lot going on, isn't there?

619
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:19.920
It's, it's, you know, the premise of Star Trek the Next Generation is very light and deliberately stays light.

620
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.699
Look at that smoking.

621
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:27.000
I think they have the confidence to just go, let's try it.

622
00:38:27.059 --> 00:38:28.440
Yeah, yeah.

623
00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:29.519
What do you want to do this week?

624
00:38:29.579 --> 00:38:30.840
We want to do a baseball match.

625
00:38:30.900 --> 00:38:32.219
All right. let's give it a go.

626
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:33.059
Yeah, yeah.

627
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:34.500
And that's not just a baseball match.

628
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:36.300
That's a sitcom episode as well.

629
00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:45.239
I mean, Star Trek, the Next Generation, does a Western, but it really is just the holodeck goes out of control in a particular way, which is kind of fun.

630
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:47.159
Have you watched that recently, though?

631
00:38:47.219 --> 00:38:49.320
It's so flatly directed that episode.

632
00:38:49.380 --> 00:38:51.900
Except I love...

633
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:52.920
I love Marina in it.

634
00:38:52.980 --> 00:38:56.039
Oh so do I. Morango.

635
00:38:56.099 --> 00:38:57.420
I'm casting...

636
00:38:57.420 --> 00:38:58.079
Morango.

637
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:01.380
She's so good.

638
00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:05.039
Oh, look, Odo, stop picking up the patter now.

639
00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:07.139
He says it's kind of like Witzborga.

640
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:08.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

641
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:08.940
Yeah.

642
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:15.059
And then, yeah, it very awkwardly tries to kiss her and just can't play.

643
00:39:15.059 --> 00:39:15.659
Because she's not real.

644
00:39:15.900 --> 00:39:17.340
No.

645
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:22.679
Oh, I like her final line too, again, because she...

646
00:39:22.739 --> 00:39:23.280
Yeah.

647
00:39:23.340 --> 00:39:31.920
And again, I think that it was the right decision, not just for character reasons to just show that he's still shy and he can't kind of do it.

648
00:39:31.980 --> 00:39:43.619
Um, but also to not have him kiss a simulacrum of her on the politic, Leah Brahm style or like Jeffrey Coombes in that episode that we did.

649
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:44.940
What was that one?

650
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.280
Are you saying Odo's got a modicum of good taste?

651
00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:48.239
Yeah, morality.

652
00:39:48.300 --> 00:39:49.559
So did you hear this?

653
00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:53.039
How hard it was to get a holographic image of Major Kira?

654
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:57.900
Because as we had to get rid of her Russian accent... a day to get rid of her Russian accent.

655
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:05.039
But it is also a reference to that episode where Jeffrey Coombs is trying to get a holographic image of an an arm visitor as well.

656
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:06.360
Oh, Julian.

657
00:40:06.420 --> 00:40:08.039
I never thought I'd see you live again.

658
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:13.199
Colonel, come on enough, KGP.

659
00:40:13.260 --> 00:40:14.400
But you know what?

660
00:40:14.460 --> 00:40:15.719
Red O, man.

661
00:40:15.780 --> 00:40:16.920
He could just deliver any line.

662
00:40:16.980 --> 00:40:20.460
He had a garbled line then, and he made it work perfectly.

663
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:23.519
He goes, you programmed her to find me irresistible.

664
00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:27.360
I could read her last week's criminal activities report and she'd think it was poetry.

665
00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:31.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah. which is a very kind of Star Trek line.

666
00:40:31.739 --> 00:40:33.119
But he does sing it.

667
00:40:33.179 --> 00:40:34.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

668
00:40:34.260 --> 00:40:34.679
Yeah.

669
00:40:34.739 --> 00:40:36.420
That's why they paid for this as well.

670
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.119
Now, actually, this is the bit I was talking to you about earlier.

671
00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:41.340
Watch how many extras are on the promenade right now.

672
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:52.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. and more and more people turn up Oh, and also Kira's come back and she's wearing this beautiful dress that's still...

673
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.719
They got the sort of huge arms, doesn't it?

674
00:40:54.780 --> 00:40:55.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

675
00:40:55.739 --> 00:41:02.579
It's kind of low cart and it's relaxed, like it's really relaxed and it's her usual colour, though.

676
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:04.440
It's still her normal colour.

677
00:41:04.500 --> 00:41:10.139
Straight to the hollow suite to do some meditation. what looks like the cave that's behind you right now.

678
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:12.000
Yes, exactly.

679
00:41:13.260 --> 00:41:16.619
But again, look at the nice suffuse lighting here as well.

680
00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:18.480
It's very easy on the eye.

681
00:41:18.539 --> 00:41:19.619
Yeah, yeah.

682
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:20.699
This is a nice scene.

683
00:41:20.820 --> 00:41:28.500
And again, giving Jimmy Darren giving Vic Fontaine the ability to just wander into her holodeck program.

684
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:33.900
You know, that the idea that they sell that he's self-aware, and that he has some control over the thing.

685
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:35.519
I think it's just great.

686
00:41:35.579 --> 00:41:37.440
He just transfers himself over.

687
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:45.059
Oh, it's only a paper moon where they make the decision to just keep him on and let him exist.

688
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:46.920
Oh, they run the whole time.

689
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:50.039
It just feels like such a lovely moment.

690
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.219
Because he's helped so many people. point out.

691
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.440
He's helped them find love.

692
00:41:55.500 --> 00:41:59.099
He helps not get over his the loss of his leg.

693
00:41:59.159 --> 00:41:59.699
Yeah, yeah.

694
00:42:03.179 --> 00:42:08.099
He's not the same stick in the mud anymore. swing.

695
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:11.820
This is actually adorable too, isn't it?

696
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:18.300
Like that he is just as much, you know, Cyrano de Bergerac for her.

697
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:22.739
You know, he just, he hasn't been asked to do this, has he?

698
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:26.579
And in fact, yeah, yeah, yeah.

699
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:29.460
He's programmed as a self-aware hologram, isn't he?

700
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:32.400
So he's making independent choices. right.

701
00:42:32.460 --> 00:42:35.579
And it's risky, but it works.

702
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:41.099
I think, like, it's hard to be angry at him even though there's deception and it nearly goes wrong.

703
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:43.500
You know, and he feels bad, doesn't he?

704
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:49.019
Like he says computer end program and turns himself off when that scene goes wrong.

705
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:54.539
There is deception, but isn't that like at the heart of the best romantic comedies?

706
00:42:55.380 --> 00:42:57.480
With all of these misunderstandings happening.

707
00:42:57.599 --> 00:42:58.500
Yep.

708
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:00.599
And, you know, like it's perfect.

709
00:43:00.659 --> 00:43:02.039
It happens at the point.

710
00:43:02.099 --> 00:43:06.059
Like this is basically a sort of happily a happily ever after thing.

711
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:07.619
It doesn't end up that way.

712
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:12.119
But like it's a, it's a romance that turns out good.

713
00:43:12.179 --> 00:43:19.800
There's one setback just towards the end, which they overcome, and then they're together, and that's exactly how these things work.

714
00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:22.320
Um, and finally...

715
00:43:22.380 --> 00:43:23.099
Yeah.

716
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:33.539
What I love about it is, is they sell the moment when they dance during the dinner scene when they look at each other and she realises there's something there that she's never seen before.

717
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:39.900
So then after the setback, she's the one that steps in and says, no, let's do this.

718
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:42.059
Like, this isn't going to be a setback.

719
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:42.900
Let's go for dinner.

720
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:45.000
Fuck it, let's snog, you know?

721
00:43:45.059 --> 00:43:46.139
So good.

722
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:47.760
It's so great.

723
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:52.019
I do like people that take control, you know.

724
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:52.739
Yeah.

725
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:53.340
Yeah.

726
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:55.260
I mean, Dax did it in Palmarks.

727
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:56.400
Kieran's doing it here.

728
00:43:56.460 --> 00:43:59.400
The women of DS9 are horny and ready to go.

729
00:43:59.460 --> 00:44:07.139
But, you know, like it's Odo who goes for coaching, you know, who goes and asks for Vic's Alve.

730
00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:10.199
This scene is so good.

731
00:44:10.260 --> 00:44:12.119
That shit looks good.

732
00:44:12.179 --> 00:44:14.579
She looks stunningly beautiful.

733
00:44:14.820 --> 00:44:19.920
It's because, like, think where we started with Kira yet, in emissary, think about.

734
00:44:20.099 --> 00:44:21.480
Things of cross and yelling.

735
00:44:21.539 --> 00:44:22.619
Look at that.

736
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:24.719
It's terrible hair.

737
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:27.000
Now she looks beautiful.

738
00:44:27.059 --> 00:44:32.340
But the tentative way she plays the scene, the vulnerabilities that she exposes.

739
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:39.960
And it's what you said, and I'm more aware of it now because you keep saying to me, you know, there's no subtext in Star Trek.

740
00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:42.179
It's all done with fucking dialogue all the time.

741
00:44:42.300 --> 00:44:45.300
And there's so much happening unsaid in this scene.

742
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:46.260
Yeah.

743
00:44:46.260 --> 00:44:47.880
What I love.

744
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:53.280
It reminds me of last week or the week before last with Beverly.

745
00:44:53.340 --> 00:44:59.880
We said that Beverly, you know, the gates gave a great performance because she knew what was happening in the scene.

746
00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:15.179
Here, you get Kira just being normal, you know, like not being a space person, not being a cranky alien, you know, like the, being a religious person, not being an administrator, not being an exterrorist.

747
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:23.760
It's 2 people on a 1st date and they're really nervous and they're giving each other permission to be nervous because they're kind of grown-ups and they've been here before.

748
00:45:23.820 --> 00:45:28.019
Oh, I love how Renee is, he doesn't, he's been practising French.

749
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.300
Renee.

750
00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:33.480
Renee Aubourginois is pretty...

751
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:46.559
I don't think Kira really wants to be here, but she loves Odo and she wants to give him a chance, just want to hurt his feelings.

752
00:45:46.619 --> 00:45:51.659
She's been asked to come for this day and I think very quickly she starts to relax into it.

753
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:56.099
But I think initially she's like, I'm not sure I actually want to be here.

754
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:58.019
Oh, yeah, this is really awkward.

755
00:45:58.079 --> 00:45:58.500
Yeah.

756
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.019
But but he's not weird.

757
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:01.800
Do you know what I mean?

758
00:46:01.860 --> 00:46:06.239
Like, and he lets her be tentative and he's a bit more confident than normal.

759
00:46:06.300 --> 00:46:09.960
I mean, he's still nervous and tentative as well, but look how much more relaxed he is.

760
00:46:10.019 --> 00:46:11.820
He's pouring the champagne.

761
00:46:12.539 --> 00:46:17.639
And he's obviously relaxed because he thinks she's a hologram throughout the entire thing.

762
00:46:17.699 --> 00:46:20.460
So whilst this is just gorgeous to watch.

763
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.559
We're waiting for the penny to drop as well.

764
00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:24.900
So there is suspense in the same tune.

765
00:46:26.219 --> 00:46:32.039
Or we're sort of hoping maybe he'll get away with it, you know, and not say the clangour.

766
00:46:32.099 --> 00:46:41.039
Yeah, you know, like I was actually just watching it as their 1st date and like I knew that there was that, but just seeing the 2 of them.

767
00:46:41.099 --> 00:46:46.320
You know, seeing the 2 of them and look at her, this is her being really vulnerable.

768
00:46:46.380 --> 00:46:47.880
It's our 1st date.

769
00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:49.320
She's given it a name.

770
00:46:49.380 --> 00:46:51.059
It's out there.

771
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:52.320
He's saying yes.

772
00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:54.360
I mean, it's all just so well done.

773
00:46:54.420 --> 00:46:55.860
Compare it to Meridian.

774
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:57.179
Remember we had Meridian.

775
00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:58.619
It was so shit.

776
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:03.360
I don't remember a thing about it. why these 2 people loved one another or anything.

777
00:47:03.420 --> 00:47:05.219
Don't you remember?

778
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.880
You scoop out the pulp and then swallow it straight down.

779
00:47:11.940 --> 00:47:13.679
We've moved on to oysters now.

780
00:47:13.980 --> 00:47:15.719
Yeah, we have.

781
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:18.420
Although I will say the oysters.

782
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:21.599
He does at one point say, oh, well done, Vic.

783
00:47:21.659 --> 00:47:24.179
So they are reminding you.

784
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:26.219
This could go horribly wrong at any point.

785
00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:35.699
The bit that makes my heart melt is when he asks her to come up and dance and she stumbles and he goes, no, it's good.

786
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:41.639
They're really just warming into it together and he's trying to make it as comfortable as possible for her.

787
00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:43.380
Oh I love the pair of them.

788
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:44.400
Yeah, yeah.

789
00:47:44.460 --> 00:47:45.539
It's so good, isn't it?

790
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:47.159
But I just...

791
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:50.159
This really was, this was my 1st dance song, miss.

792
00:47:50.219 --> 00:47:51.300
And again.

793
00:47:51.300 --> 00:47:54.239
Under my skin.

794
00:47:54.300 --> 00:47:58.920
It's doing exactly the thing that you say that his songs do because that's what this is.

795
00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:01.739
You know, it's Odo thinking this, isn't it?

796
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:05.699
The Odo, this is Odo thinking this about her.

797
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.340
And her thinking about him now.

798
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:08.880
Now look at that.

799
00:48:08.940 --> 00:48:16.139
Look at how he how she looks at him suddenly, like as if she's recognising that this...

800
00:48:16.139 --> 00:48:17.340
Was she seen him for the 1st time?

801
00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:17.699
Yeah.

802
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:18.539
Yeah.

803
00:48:18.539 --> 00:48:23.519
I love the way they come, gently comes around the table now as they get up and down as well.

804
00:48:23.579 --> 00:48:25.980
Oh, yeah, I love this.

805
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.239
So if you're not going to stop it with a wish, Dan.

806
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:31.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

807
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.920
There's only one thing we can do, Nathan. dance with me.

808
00:48:37.380 --> 00:48:39.360
Just stay close.

809
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:41.639
So good.

810
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:43.380
It's so good.

811
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:44.820
Oh goodness me.

812
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:47.280
They really could have fudged this, couldn't they?

813
00:48:47.340 --> 00:48:50.760
Oh, yeah, it could have been a disaster, you know, like it could have been a disaster.

814
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:53.820
They could have had a B plot about something spicy.

815
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:56.820
Talk about your sonara, uh, sonara here.

816
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:59.940
He's literally between them when they stop to look at each other.

817
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:01.500
He's in the background, Vic.

818
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:02.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

819
00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:04.559
As if like my work is dumb.

820
00:49:07.860 --> 00:49:12.239
This is a beautiful rendition of I've got you under my skin as well.

821
00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:17.099
But they stop at the word stop, and then they start looking at one another.

822
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:18.659
It's so good, isn't it?

823
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:20.219
Now look at her.

824
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:21.719
She's smiling at him.

825
00:49:21.780 --> 00:49:24.659
She's sort of looking into his eyes now.

826
00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:29.219
They're going to kiss at any minute, Nathan, I'll swear.

827
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:31.199
I think they just might.

828
00:49:31.260 --> 00:49:34.079
The band's all looking away a bit awkward.

829
00:49:34.139 --> 00:49:35.099
That's right.

830
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:36.539
Should we be?

831
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:42.900
They're a bit jealous, I think, because I think they thought that they were in with Odo after that previous song.

832
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:44.519
I'll be jealous of Kira.

833
00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:45.360
She was so hot.

834
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:48.659
She dressed like a normal person all the time.

835
00:49:50.219 --> 00:49:52.260
Oh, no, here we go.

836
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:53.699
You embarrass the same with me.

837
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:54.719
No.

838
00:49:57.300 --> 00:50:02.940
Watch watch Renee now when he when the penny drops.

839
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:07.800
Watch him go rigid. and he sort of folds his arms.

840
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:08.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

841
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:09.360
Yeah.

842
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:11.099
And it was right.

843
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:12.300
Like, oops.

844
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:13.440
Red alert.

845
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.519
On you, he says.

846
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:19.260
Is that what you think?

847
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:23.039
But even this isn't hysterical.

848
00:50:23.099 --> 00:50:27.840
Like, I can imagine in another track show, this would be a bit over the top, whereas they do underplay all of this.

849
00:50:27.900 --> 00:50:31.920
It just goes, he holds his hands up and goes, oh, I'm really embarrassed.

850
00:50:31.980 --> 00:50:32.340
I'm going.

851
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:34.320
Yeah, yeah.

852
00:50:34.380 --> 00:50:37.500
And he hasn't done anything wrong.

853
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:41.940
They, like neither of those 2 have done anything wrong.

854
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:43.440
And like...

855
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:45.420
Yeah, yes.

856
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:46.619
Yes, he can't.

857
00:50:46.619 --> 00:50:50.400
But Kira, Nurse, Kira, Major.

858
00:50:50.460 --> 00:50:51.239
Do you hear that?

859
00:50:51.300 --> 00:50:54.780
Like he says, the 3 names in ascending order of formality.

860
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:57.900
It's so good Nah, could you stand just there?

861
00:50:58.019 --> 00:51:00.119
That's where we're going to do the special effect.

862
00:51:00.179 --> 00:51:02.340
Thank you, very much. stand in front of the band.

863
00:51:05.460 --> 00:51:07.860
That's the whole scene, no.

864
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:11.699
That's one of the best scenes we've watched in...

865
00:51:13.619 --> 00:51:15.719
You lied to me.

866
00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:21.840
He's not sort of your typical romantic hero, is he, Odo?

867
00:51:21.900 --> 00:51:31.440
No, no, but in a way, kind of is, you know, the grumpy and reserved and unsure, you know, who learns to loosen up.

868
00:51:31.500 --> 00:51:33.780
Like, I think that's absolutely a thing, isn't it?

869
00:51:34.019 --> 00:51:36.659
The lady digs you big time.

870
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:38.579
She digs.

871
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:45.900
Oh, just bit in a minute, right?

872
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:49.679
I'll let it pass because she sold the moment in the dance so well.

873
00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:53.159
All of this moment of clarity stuff. is very on the nose.

874
00:51:53.219 --> 00:52:12.360
I think I think that that's maybe the worst scene and I think the reason is that it's not quite heightened enough because she's about to go and do something that is strange and weird and risky and that will change her life forever.

875
00:52:12.420 --> 00:52:19.739
And it's that moment, you know, in a in a romantic comedy where you kind of go, oh my god, fuck it.

876
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:26.400
I have to go, but the show, like I think the direction needs to sell it a little bit more and they need to sell it.

877
00:52:26.460 --> 00:52:31.619
It's a little bit too kind of talky, but it has to be the, am I doing this?

878
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:33.059
Am I really doing this moment?

879
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:34.380
And they don't quite get it.

880
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:38.340
And I don't think Terry Farrell believes a word she's saying.

881
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:39.539
I can sort of tell.

882
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:42.239
Which is going, and total clarity is a very rare thing.

883
00:52:42.300 --> 00:52:46.500
And when it comes to you, it's like, why are you talking to him like a child?

884
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:47.880
Yeah, yeah.

885
00:52:47.940 --> 00:52:51.000
Yeah, I think the dialogue perhaps isn't quite there.

886
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:56.579
However, we are now heading into the very best scene of Star Trek ever.

887
00:52:56.639 --> 00:53:00.239
The culmination of all of this romantic madness.

888
00:53:02.219 --> 00:53:04.860
The way it's paced.

889
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:06.059
The dialogue here.

890
00:53:06.179 --> 00:53:07.440
Yeah, yeah.

891
00:53:07.500 --> 00:53:11.219
And again, it's absolutely doing the cliches.

892
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:22.920
Like, it's the scene, you know, the scene where they fight, and they're still using the fighting tone of voice when they start talking about kissing one another, and then they kiss one another, absolutely done a 100 times, but here it is in Star Trek.

893
00:53:22.980 --> 00:53:24.900
Oh, Dominion Clang.

894
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:25.320
There you go.

895
00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:29.880
Well, it's possible.

896
00:53:29.940 --> 00:53:30.900
Well, then who needs dinner?

897
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:32.400
Just get it on with.

898
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:33.420
I kiss you right now.

899
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:35.159
Why don't you?

900
00:53:35.219 --> 00:53:36.900
And then the music.

901
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:39.539
Yes, exactly.

902
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.519
And I love the friend who drops his tray.

903
00:53:44.579 --> 00:53:49.800
He's so shocked That funky looking man next to taxi.

904
00:53:49.860 --> 00:53:51.900
He clutches his chest like, oh.

905
00:53:51.900 --> 00:53:54.179
What's going on?

906
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:55.260
He's awesome, isn't he?

907
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:57.599
The look on Dax's face.

908
00:53:57.599 --> 00:53:58.619
I know, you're right.

909
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:00.900
She is going straight up to Ops, isn't she?

910
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:05.460
You'll never guess what I just saw. promenade.

911
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:10.139
So you've told the story before where like a whole heap of latex comes away.

912
00:54:11.460 --> 00:54:13.380
The end of the keys.

913
00:54:14.099 --> 00:54:22.260
Apparently it ripped away from his mouth and she had like rubbery eggy smelling latex all over.

914
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:30.239
She said we got over the kiss very quickly because it was the most unromantic kiss you could ever have.

915
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:31.440
Oh, yeah, yeah.

916
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:33.659
Oh, it's perfect.

917
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:34.739
Yes.

918
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:35.579
Yep.

919
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:48.840
So in a way, you kind of want, you know, like we do have to have a final seed to make sure that everything's okay with Vic, after Vic, you know, that Vic and Odo are okay after that.

920
00:54:48.900 --> 00:54:53.940
And he hasn't been back and like everyone's been telling about here, he's back.

921
00:54:53.940 --> 00:54:57.420
And look, he's already saying, who knows how long it'll last.

922
00:54:57.780 --> 00:54:59.340
So good.

923
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:03.539
Although, it's really good, isn't it?

924
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:04.980
Punching.

925
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:05.699
Yeah, yeah.

926
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:22.199
And then, and then we, we kind of break the 4th wall in a sense because this is the TV show within the TV show where he says, can you just leave it running so that I can sing my final number in this episode of Deep Space 9.

927
00:55:22.260 --> 00:55:34.559
Like he leaves, and he lets Jimmy Darren do the reprise of Come Fly with me from before, after he leaves, and the only reason it is, is so that we can end the episode with it.

928
00:55:34.619 --> 00:55:37.320
And I just think that's absolutely great, you know.

929
00:55:37.380 --> 00:55:38.699
He's us at that point.

930
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:40.019
He goes, I feel like singing.

931
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:40.860
Yes.

932
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:41.699
So do I, Nathan.

933
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:42.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

934
00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:45.179
I'm fly with me.

935
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:46.679
I won't do it.

936
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:54.000
Oh, and then you've got the song right over the shot on the station. revolving at the end. exactly.

937
00:55:54.059 --> 00:55:55.139
It's so wild.

938
00:55:55.260 --> 00:55:55.920
I love it.

939
00:55:55.980 --> 00:55:57.599
Yeah, you're right.

940
00:55:57.659 --> 00:55:58.920
It works as a romance.

941
00:55:58.980 --> 00:56:00.059
It works as a musical.

942
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.039
It works as a character episode.

943
00:56:02.099 --> 00:56:02.820
Yep.

944
00:56:02.820 --> 00:56:04.500
And it's the rarest of things.

945
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:07.739
It's a 90s trick that's paying off a character arc.

946
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:08.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

947
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:10.860
No, it's really good. really great.

948
00:56:10.980 --> 00:56:12.900
I, um, I just say I was going to do this.

949
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:20.159
I'm going to quickly mention because I, in a moment of sort of torture, my other romance, aside from you, is obviously with my other heart.

950
00:56:20.340 --> 00:56:24.900
I'll give him some occasional attention when I'm not talking to you.

951
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:41.400
I decided to torture him and make him watch this episode, lying, saying to him that it was the only possible time I could watch it, and he was like, oh, okay. and these 2 reservations were, as long as it isn't set in the 50s and there's no songs.

952
00:56:41.460 --> 00:56:43.199
I went, you're fine.

953
00:56:43.260 --> 00:56:43.860
You're fine.

954
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:45.480
And it started.

955
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:48.420
Don't find yourself somebody.

956
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:49.559
He went, oh, God.

957
00:56:49.619 --> 00:56:51.119
He went, you knew.

958
00:56:51.179 --> 00:56:52.500
He looked at me, you went, you knew.

959
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:54.119
I said, you promise you'd watch this now.

960
00:56:54.179 --> 00:56:55.199
I said I've got to watch it.

961
00:56:55.320 --> 00:57:01.559
First 10 minutes he was whinging and complaining and, you know, you know what a square is.

962
00:57:01.619 --> 00:57:04.320
Yeah, it's one side of a cube going, oh, God, you know.

963
00:57:04.380 --> 00:57:08.159
I actually really love that line. throwing his eyes at every single joke.

964
00:57:08.219 --> 00:57:17.280
And then I realised he'd just sort of shut up about a 3rd into the episode. aside from a few horrible comments about Odo's makeup.

965
00:57:17.340 --> 00:57:25.800
And then I realised sort of as the comic mishappenings are going on, he started to get a bit suspenseful.

966
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:29.219
And then at the end, when the Ferengi drops the tray, he was laughing.

967
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:31.019
It totally won him over.

968
00:57:31.019 --> 00:57:33.179
And then, of course, he went, oh, that was terrible.

969
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:37.800
I went, you enjoyed that and he just gave me a look which said everything.

970
00:57:37.860 --> 00:57:38.760
Yeah.

971
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:43.739
He went from a from a disbeliever to a lover in 45 minutes.

972
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:46.139
Yeah, well, it'll do that to you, I think.

973
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:49.440
I mean, the last episode he watched was Justice with us.

974
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:50.820
Yeah, that's true.

975
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:52.260
It's nearly as good.

976
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:04.260
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to work out where we're going next.

977
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:15.360
As usual, you've chosen a hit, an uncontroversial hit, and it's my turn to bring us back down to earth with something mediocre.

978
00:58:15.420 --> 00:58:17.880
And so inevitably.

979
00:58:17.940 --> 00:58:35.460
And so what I've decided, I've taken a look at our coverage page on the website and it says that we have currently covered 14.68% of the episodes of Star Trek that exist.

980
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:38.579
And then...

981
00:58:38.579 --> 00:58:40.320
But again, to the year, we'll hit one fifth.

982
00:58:40.380 --> 00:58:43.679
Or maybe, maybe, probably not.

983
00:58:43.739 --> 00:58:44.760
Well, you'll hit a six.

984
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:46.199
Probably. next year.

985
00:58:46.260 --> 00:58:46.860
Yeah, yeah.

986
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:48.659
We're making good headway, though.

987
00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:50.820
We are in good headway. a lot to do.

988
00:58:51.059 --> 00:59:00.719
There are, however, 6 series where we've done less than that number as a percentage of episodes.

989
00:59:00.780 --> 00:59:03.900
Oh, wait, D-Space 9 is not on that list.

990
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:14.340
Would you believe that Deep Space 9 is the lowest one of the list of ones that we have done more than average of?

991
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:16.980
So the average is 14.68.

992
00:59:17.219 --> 00:59:23.340
Deep Space 9, and I may not be including this episode, I'm not exactly sure.

993
00:59:23.460 --> 00:59:28.199
Deep Space 9 is 15.03.

994
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:33.780
We've done 26 episodes as far as the coverage page is concerned today.

995
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:36.059
It may actually be more if we include this one.

996
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:36.960
I not exactly sure.

997
00:59:37.019 --> 00:59:51.719
And so, and so those seasons are Discovery, which we've done the least at 12.31, then prodigy, enterprise, Picard, Next Generation, and Voyager.

998
00:59:51.780 --> 00:59:54.599
And so I'm going to choose one of them.

999
00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:57.780
You can't really determine the quality from that list.

1000
00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:58.559
No, we can't.

1001
00:59:58.619 --> 00:59:59.159
It could be good.

1002
00:59:59.219 --> 01:00:00.840
It could go either way.

1003
01:00:00.900 --> 01:00:04.199
There's very probably mediocre.

1004
01:00:04.260 --> 01:00:05.340
Mediocre.

1005
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.159
All right, I am going to give it a roll.

1006
01:00:08.579 --> 01:00:17.460
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is one small step. season six, episode eight.

1007
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:19.860
Yes, very boring.

1008
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.019
How boring do you wanna go?

1009
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:25.619
It's off format, isn't it?

1010
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:30.300
It's a little bit different from normal. space shuttles going up or something.

1011
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:34.800
Well, I mean, we kind of did that at the end of series 2 of Picard.

1012
01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:35.940
Yes.

1013
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:36.900
Yeah, yeah.

1014
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:38.099
I think that is a bit boring.

1015
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:40.380
I think it's the guy from Seinfeld, isn't it?

1016
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:41.340
the astronaut in there.

1017
01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:42.719
We've got to give away to a chance.

1018
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:43.679
Coming after his way.

1019
01:00:43.739 --> 01:00:44.400
It's quite difficult.

1020
01:00:44.460 --> 01:00:45.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1021
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:48.059
Okay.

1022
01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:52.679
Your Random Star Trek voyager episode is the fight.

1023
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:55.860
Season five, episode 19.

1024
01:00:55.980 --> 01:00:58.559
We haven't done a Chakotay episode, yeah.

1025
01:00:58.619 --> 01:01:00.179
You know?

1026
01:01:00.179 --> 01:01:02.460
And is he boxing?

1027
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:05.099
Oh, my God.

1028
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:06.239
Booth be's in it.

1029
01:01:06.300 --> 01:01:08.880
It's part of the trilogy of terror with coarse oblivion.

1030
01:01:08.940 --> 01:01:12.780
It's course oblivion, the Phi, and the disease, the Harry King.

1031
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:13.500
Oh my goodness.

1032
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:15.659
Oh, it is tempting.

1033
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:24.420
It would knock out another dismal episode of Orger and leave us more room in the remaining 85% of untitled Star Trek for good ones.

1034
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:30.539
I think we probably have overdosed on the good ones just as a result of our process.

1035
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:33.239
We may have to...

1036
01:01:33.300 --> 01:01:35.039
We've done some pretty bad ones as well.

1037
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:36.960
What is the average?

1038
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:38.219
We've good to bad to boys.

1039
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:39.659
It's impossible to tell.

1040
01:01:39.780 --> 01:01:41.280
I'm going to try one more.

1041
01:01:41.340 --> 01:01:45.780
Okay So this...

1042
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:46.500
No.

1043
01:01:46.559 --> 01:02:03.599
Actually, this is actually a possible good one, but it is part two, so it would involve watching 2 episodes, but they would be 2 episodes of Star Trek Prodigy, and it's season one, episode 20, Supernova part two.

1044
01:02:03.659 --> 01:02:11.039
So we would be watching Supernova part one and part two, which is the series one finale, the two-part finale.

1045
01:02:11.340 --> 01:02:14.460
We've just done the series 2 opener, haven't we?

1046
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:18.119
So in typical you and me style doing things backwards.

1047
01:02:18.179 --> 01:02:20.760
We go back and do the finale.

1048
01:02:20.820 --> 01:02:21.239
What do you think?

1049
01:02:21.300 --> 01:02:25.320
I mean, still the length of a normal 90s strike episode.

1050
01:02:25.380 --> 01:02:26.460
Yeah, that's true.

1051
01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:27.719
That's true, and it is fun.

1052
01:02:27.900 --> 01:02:39.420
I mean, we were well ahead on prodigy and prodigy dropped down below the average because they dropped a whole 20 extra episodes on us in one day.

1053
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:40.380
What do you think?

1054
01:02:41.099 --> 01:02:42.059
Let's do it.

1055
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:49.260
But what I'm going to do is a bit of homework because I remember really loving the pilot for prodigy.

1056
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:52.380
So I'm going to watch that 1st episode again.

1057
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:54.659
That's a 2 or it's a double length one, isn't it?

1058
01:02:54.780 --> 01:02:55.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1059
01:02:55.380 --> 01:02:58.800
I'm going to watch that again and see where we started in that 1st season.

1060
01:02:58.860 --> 01:03:02.940
Then see where we end and see if that provokes some conversation.

1061
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:04.860
Okay, that's a great idea.

1062
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:07.260
I think it goes on a hell of a journey in that 1st year.

1063
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:08.519
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1064
01:03:08.579 --> 01:03:19.260
It's a show that's absolutely not afraid to change its premise in all sorts of interesting ways, and it definitely does set us up with a new status quo for series 2, which we did see reasonably recently.

1065
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:20.940
So I reckon we go for it.

1066
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:21.719
What do you reckon?

1067
01:03:21.780 --> 01:03:24.900
And Prodigy also is a beautiful looking television show.

1068
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:25.739
It really is.

1069
01:03:25.739 --> 01:03:28.440
Not quite as beautiful as Lenar Visitor Singing Fever.

1070
01:03:28.500 --> 01:03:30.719
No, pretty beautiful. nearly as beautiful.

1071
01:03:38.099 --> 01:03:49.559
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1072
01:03:49.619 --> 01:03:55.380
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1073
01:03:55.440 --> 01:04:01.260
This episode was recorded on the 8th of October 2024 and released on the 18th of October.

1074
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:07.739
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Prodigy, Supernova Part one and Supernova Part 2.

1075
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:27.659
Yeah, I reckon.

1076
01:04:27.780 --> 01:04:29.579
I reckon, I think we said all the things.

1077
01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:32.099
I mean, if we wanna say more, we can say it in the tag.

1078
01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:34.679
No, that was so good.

1079
01:04:34.739 --> 01:04:36.000
Oh my goodness.

1080
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:53.400
Yeah, like I thought it was, like, I thought I would like it because it is just the sort of thing that I normally like, you know, like, uh, going off topic doing another genre, romances, you know, and it, um, and it, like I said.

1081
01:04:53.699 --> 01:04:54.900
It's so much better than I thought.

1082
01:04:54.960 --> 01:05:04.019
Absolute example of, if you do the legwork with these characters in all those early seasons, the playoffs are...

1083
01:05:04.139 --> 01:05:10.739
Well, it's not even that it's that they don't drop things like they are making it up as they go along.

1084
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:23.159
Like, absolutely, they're doing that, but they, um, They Like they pick things up and they follow them up.

1085
01:05:23.219 --> 01:05:31.320
Not everything, you know, there are things, big things that happen in the show that it drops, but, um, I don't know.

1086
01:05:31.380 --> 01:05:32.820
It's, I just think.

1087
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:39.300
I just think it was much, much, much better than I expected much better than I remembered.

1088
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:48.300
I think I think they're, like, as they do, as DSM goes along, you are literally watching an education of how to make television, aren't you?

1089
01:05:48.300 --> 01:05:50.039
From that 1st season to the last.

1090
01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:53.880
And it's not even perfect in the last season. is very, very good.

1091
01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:58.980
But they sort of learn what works. for the most part.

1092
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:03.000
You go, right, let's let's do more of that. and throw away some of those.

1093
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:11.940
Well, when Battlestacking was on, like Ronald DeMour had a podcast, which he, where he would talk about the creative decisions that he'd made.

1094
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:31.920
And so, and I remember listening to that podcast really irregularly and getting a real sense of them in the writer's room, discovering things, by watching the show, and then, you know, and then writing those things into the show, and clearly that's how, you know, he works and how Ira Stephen Bear works and stuff.

1095
01:06:31.980 --> 01:06:36.780
Well, you saw it in the documentary when they redid the rise room.

1096
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:38.579
They got them all together. you watch that?

1097
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:39.420
No, no.

1098
01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:44.099
Oh, so they literally get together and pitch...

1099
01:06:44.099 --> 01:06:45.420
Series eight, episode one.

1100
01:06:45.420 --> 01:06:46.139
Yeah.

1101
01:06:46.139 --> 01:06:59.159
Um, in like a, in an afternoon and it's so great and they're not sort of got this big whiteboard and they're doing it exactly how they used to do it with lots of ideas and they're rubbing things out and they're going, oh, no, wait. we did that before and they're making links.

1102
01:06:59.219 --> 01:07:03.659
And then at the end of the afternoon they go, oh, can we come back tomorrow?

1103
01:07:03.780 --> 01:07:05.400
They want to go.

1104
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:07.380
Let's make it.

1105
01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:08.460
Did they get Avery back?

1106
01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:09.599
No.

1107
01:07:09.659 --> 01:07:10.800
Yes.

1108
01:07:10.860 --> 01:07:18.300
So the 1st episode is all about like, he's not there. and at the end of the 1st episode.

1109
01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:22.260
Yeah, in like a podcast, yeah.

1110
01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:24.300
At a moment of extreme drama.

1111
01:07:24.420 --> 01:07:30.780
But I think that's the thing, you know, the thing that Kurtzman says, which I'd suspected was the case.

1112
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:35.940
I think I said that before I heard it, that they don't want to ruin the end of Deep Space 9.

1113
01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:36.599
So.

1114
01:07:37.739 --> 01:07:39.780
All right, shall we do the thing?