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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back doing Deep Space 9 this week, and we're doing an

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episode called His Way, which is series 6, episode 20, and it's a

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pretty important episode in the history of Star Trek Deep Space 9

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and I want you to tell us why.

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Is it because they pulled off a romance episode that actually

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worked for the 1st time?

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That's exactly it.

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It is...

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It is also Jimmy Darren's 1st appearance in the show and he left

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us sort of fairly recently.

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And so I think this random choice was sort of fairly well timed.

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I'm going to say that I thought this was extremely good, just

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superb.

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I enjoyed a lot.

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I would ask this question straight away.

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Why, and I love this too.

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I've always loved this episode.

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I watched it religiously when the VHS.

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With this in the Power Moonlight came out together.

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Oh, okay.

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Star Trek's Peaks. downhill from here.

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And they were just so like tonally different as well.

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I was like, this show can do anything, you know?

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Juggle empires and romantic comedies.

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Superbly.

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Why then?

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Is this divisive?

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I don't know.

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I think it's easily better than in the pale moonlight.

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It's...

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Sorry, I think there's a couple of where we've lost our last

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listener.

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I don't care.

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So I think that people don't like romance, we talked about this

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before, that romance is traditionally a female concern and that

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Star Trek has always had a mostly male fandom, and obviously that

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has been changing as time has gone on, and it was never quite as

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true as everyone sort of suspected it was.

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And so romance was something that, I mean, was kind of always sort

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of part of Star Trek, even to some degree in TOS.

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But the romance episode becomes a thing in TNG, I think.

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And it's done generally badly.

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But we've certainly had fun watching those TNG romance episodes.

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So I think that's one reason.

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And I think the other reason is that people want there to be war.

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It's season six.

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We're getting towards the end of series 6.

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We know that there's a limited amount of time left, and there are

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certain people who think that if we're not doing in the pale

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moonlight every week, we're wasting our time.

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And I think that's absolutely wrong headed.

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You know, my favourite episodes of this runner. things like that

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are being better bang, and take me out to the hola suite.

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Um, and I think that Star Trek always does something different.

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I said I was out of sync with Star Trek the last couple of weeks

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you know, Star Trek fans as a whole.

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I feel this may be where you're slimy out of scene with Star Trek

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fandom, but I love you for that, you know.

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I think we did tell a lie, though, at the start of this episode

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because you are cordially invited was earlier this season, and

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that was also a very funny, very affecting romance episode, you

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know, with a big wedding.

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Okay, well.

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So what DS9 has learned is, and it's taken a long time, I don't

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know how many seasons we are into 90s trek now, is when you start

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pairing up the regulars with good chemistry, then, you know, good

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drama and shoes.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, compare how they kind of flub it with Tom and Belana in

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Voyager, where that relationship does continue, but it always

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seems to be kind of subordinated.

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Well, com romance.

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Bad sitcom, but but also it's subordinated to the space problems

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you know.

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And so we never even see the wedding because we've already seen

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the fake space wedding in, of course, oblivion.

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And so we never get to see the actual wedding.

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You have to remind us of that episode.

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Yeah, so awful.

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And so we, you know, we just see the just married being on the

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back of the Delta Flyer as they sort of fly off at the end of some

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other episode.

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And so they never really do it properly.

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Tom Blott is like the least riskiest romance they possibly could

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have done.

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Yeah, the 2 young hot engineer and pilot of the ship.

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What would have been a risk would be Janeway and Shakotay, which

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we touched on in the brilliant episode resolutions that we did.

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And they absolutely just tied that in a bow and put it away, didn't

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they?

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They wouldn't take the risk.

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Yeah, I think we said at the end that Star Trek Voyager intervened

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at the end and ruined that romance.

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You know, it's like, no, we've got to go back and do Star Trek

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Voyager now, and it was hard not to feel a little bit sad about

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that as an outcome.

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Or they would take the risk at the end.

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We said the same thing with Troy and more from TNG. and they did

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it with Chakotay and 7 in Voyager. and neither of them worked.

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One because it's just pairings that why?

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They just don't work.

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But 2 is like, yeah, you're wrapping up in 5 episodes.

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Well done for pair of those 2 characters.

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What they realised on DS9 really early was on this stationary

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setting was that you could start doing these soap opera

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storylines.

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And then what comes from that, obviously, are the romances.

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So Cisco meets Cassidy in series 3 and we see that through to a

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wedding in series 7.

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That makes wharf in series 4, suddenly they're flirting throughout

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that season and then we get looking for Palmark in all the wrong

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places where she finally goes, I've had enough of you not bedding

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me.

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I'm literally gonna throw you on the floor and get on top of you

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right now.

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And that leads to a wedding.

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And then, yeah, really early in the realm, in the collaborator in

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series 2 of DS9, there's a scene where Kira says to Odo, I love

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Barile. and Renee Obershamois, for whatever reason, because it

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ain't in the script, makes an acting choice where he looks

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devastated at that news and the writers went, oh my god.

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We've got an unrequited romance story, and that runs through

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series 3 where you have Heart of Stone, the wonderful episode

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where...

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Kira has an enormous crystal growing over her, and Nodo confesses

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his undying love rose.

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Something we know, but he hasn't actually said out loud.

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It's a great moment though when it comes.

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He sort of like collapses to the floor with the weight of the

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emission.

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Then we get crossfire in series 4 where Shikar is having

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assassinations attend this against him and at one point Odo thinks

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oh, shall I save him?

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Oh, no, I like it.

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And Kira's Kira's using Odo as like the busy mate that she sort of

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pours her heart out to, even though it's killing him.

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And you have a wonderful scene between him and Quark in that

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episode where Hawk basically says, I know how you feel.

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And Odo just says, get out of my quarters.

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Right the way through to children of time where a brilliant high

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concept episode where, and actually, this is running through

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season after season, very gently sort of bubbling under the

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surface while they're doing all their other stuff with this

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friendship. where an older Odo confesses his love for Kira, he's

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been waiting for years to be able to tell her, and then poor

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younger Odo when we go back to him at the end of the episode is

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left to deal with the consequences of that.

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Then call to arms at the end of the season, Odo says, look, we're

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going to war next season, so let's just put this on hold.

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There you get the brilliant behind the lines where the female

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shapeshifter comes onto the station, realises he's got feelings of

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Kira and starts to manipulate him and he betrays her.

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Then you get that wonderful moment in your accordingly invited

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where, thank God, they go off into a cupboard and have a heart to

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heart, and by the time they come out, everything's all right

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again.

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They are good friends.

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Yeah, which leads us to his way, which is where we're finally

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going to see the culmination of what is it?

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5 seasons of this stuff come into a head.

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And it was either going to go one way or another, they was going

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to get it on or they weren't.

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Oh, please they did.

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And there's a reason why they do, because I think Ira Stephen Bear

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says that he knew at this point that Odo would be going back with

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the Founders at the end, and so in order to make that decision

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bigger and more kind of tragic and costly, he needs to leave

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someone behind.

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And so that, which is one of the most heartbreaking things about

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that final episode, um, is planned.

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That's why we have this.

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That's why they decide to go for it.

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And I don't think either or Renee was super keen on it, although

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they like this episode.

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No, apparently she had a huge row with Ira Bear in Ops going, we

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are not doing this.

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And he's like, you're one of the actors.

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You're through what you're told.

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But it's the right choice because it does play into the ending and

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it gives the 2 of them the chance to drop being space people for a

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2nd.

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And I think this has one of then our visitor's best scenes in it.

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And it is just her being relaxed and unsure of herself

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vulnerable.

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Yeah, it's most useful way.

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I couldn't keep my eyes off it.

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Well, I mean, I'd rather look at her than Odo's makeup anyway.

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More on that later.

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What's great about this is obviously it does lead to one of my all

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time favourite scenes in Star Trek ever, which is that snog on the

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promenade.

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So perfectly scripted, acted, and directed.

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I just love and scored as well, brilliantly scored.

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And it leads to a really surprisingly mature and understated

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relationship between the 2 of them.

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That, you know, we did tacking into the wind recently.

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And just like the drama they got out of this relationship.

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I love I love the bit in Challows and the Super Bowl.

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Do you remember where he gives sort of the detective novel and

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goes, well, you're going to be hanging around.

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So you may as well read this.

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It's about a tough space bitch, just like you, you know.

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Like, just lovely stuff like that.

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They've learnt the lessons from TNG that this is the sort of thing

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that they should explore and I think they do it really well.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, what do you think?

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Shall we go in?

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I definitely think we should do it.

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I should warn you there, maybe some singing in this episode

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because I love.

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I love this rat pack music.

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I love it.

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The last thing I will say is finally, we've reached a romance

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episode of Star Trek that not quite reaches the level of the

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romance between you and I. Because I can think of no other reason

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that you would be sitting there, you know, busy man in the evening

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talking to me, basically in stained long johns, looking absolutely

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rough as hell talking about Star Trek.

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So our romance is now going to lead into this romance.

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Let's go.

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Let's do it All right.

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I will count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I kind of know the answer to this question, but I'm going to ask

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you.

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I'm assuming you don't object to singing in Star Trek.

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Oh, no, and that was the other thing.

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And the thing that we didn't say is this is just a musical.

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And so we have this song, uh, and then we have a reprise of this

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song at the end.

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We are currently singing what, uh, uh, find me someone to love

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you.

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I don't know what it's called, actually.

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What's the song?

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And yourself somebody.

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Find yourself somebody to love, somebody love. yourself somebody.

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I mean, I love a musical.

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Oh me too.

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I think they're particularly adept at using Vic for is choosing a

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song that's relevant to particular scenes and the themes of the

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episodes that they use in.

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So in what you leave behind.

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It's the way you look tonight.

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It's so beautiful.

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In, um, CG of AR558, so I'll be seeing you as a very slow song.

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Yeah, yeah, and a war song, you know, like a World War 2 song

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yeah.

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And of course, it's only a paper moon in the Nog and Vic episode

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about PTSD.

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So they use him really brilliantly.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And like, that's the other thing.

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Like, I love a musical.

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Like, this is a musical episode before the Strange New World's

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musical episode, I think.

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Because even though the music is kind of digetic, you know, like

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it is a thing that's just happening.

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You know, the choice of having Vic as a semi-regular character now

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you know, they've introduced semi-regular characters before, and

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they've rarely sort of dropped them in just like, like it seems

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odd, doesn't it, for a new character to suddenly appear at the end

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of series 9 series 6, the 2nd last year.

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I mean, I think when you watch this, you think this is going to be

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a one shot episode and we're never going to see him again.

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It's quite surprising when he turns up again in tears of the

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profits.

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Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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So it's a while before he doesn't comes back and he doesn't come

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back until...

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Do you remember what he sings in that one?

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Here's to the losers, to Cork and Bashir.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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So this is a long running joke as well about Felix.

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Felix has many holosuite programs for Bashir.

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There's a wonderful joke in.

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It's only a paper moon where they mock all of his previous

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programs that have gone horrible roles.

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The Arman Bishir one, you know, things like that.

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Would that get to mention here too?

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They really are sort of tying it all together, aren't they?

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Just in lots of subtle ways.

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Yeah, well, they've got a lot of sort of stuff, you know, like, I

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just think this is such a brilliant idea.

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And can I just address the people who kind of go, well, this isn't

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a, this isn't even a real person.

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We talked about this in better being better bang.

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You know, if you think that Vic Fontaine isn't a real person, I've

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got terrible news for you about all of the other characters on

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Deep Space Night.

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What's that Nathan?

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They're also not real people.

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They're equally not real and equally real.

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I think making myself aware hologram is really great.

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It means that he gets to kind of comment on, you know, he doesn't

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he, it's exactly what he says.

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You know, he can't be this lounge singer if he doesn't know what's

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going on.

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If everyone else is aware that they're on a space station in the

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future and he doesn't know that.

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I think he's got pretty, pretty sweet Freds for a light bulb, you

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know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's so funny.

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But the fact that he says Tetabab will put in this 50s slash.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But also, you know, like he can appear in Kira's holodeck

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program.

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He's able to call Odo on the phone. you know, like he has, you

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know, enough ability to kind of manipulate the world that he's

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in.

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I think is really good.

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I think the person light in this episode got the note as well.

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This is a really warmly lit episode all the way.

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I think, sort of, tonally, they...

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So the thing is in this episode that Dax, for some reason, is

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particularly ditsy, and he or she accidentally lets it slip that

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Kira's going to visit Shaka, and she goes...

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She's the gossip... the entire station.

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When she sees them kissing it again.

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All she's thinking is, my God, that's my gossip for the morning.

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Yes.

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So good.

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That's why I like these characters, though. just feel like real

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people.

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We do gossip Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like that's their workplace, isn't it?

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It's fun.

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So we're setting up the premise now.

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You did say sort of in the pre-title sequence, you know, we need

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to set up the premise of the episode.

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Odo's listening to Bashir tell O'Brien that he got love advice

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from his lightbulb friend in the holosuite.

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Oh, maybe I could get the girl then.

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It's really good, isn't it, too?

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Because it's well set up because he's got good reason to believe

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that he's going to get good advice from Vic because Vic knows that

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Worf and Dax are married and that O'Brien's missing his wife.

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And then he spots something about Kira and Odo, but doesn't say

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anything.

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You know, he stops himself from saying what it is.

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And uh, and so, and that's the great thing about it too.

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It's very odd.

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Does Odo ever go on the holodeck?

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He doesn't because he doesn't really do entertainment, does he?

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The last time we saw him go anywhere near it, he was stopping that

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Kira, you know, the Kira sex program for being made.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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So, so he doesn't do that sort of thing.

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So having him go to the holodeck to visit Fontaine's bar is very

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weird and unusual.

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And all of this thing that happens, which is just wonderful.

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This sort of Cyrano de Bergerac thing where you have Vic Fontaine

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coaching him, and he manages, despite the fact that this is, you

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know, 1994 or whatever it is, um, or 1962.

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Um, it's 1998.

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Without being sort of sexist or horrible.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like he manages the show managers not to kind of patronise Kira.

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That's a really brilliant point you made there because I think in

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the way that he has written, the casting is vital.

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I think Vic could have come across as being quite arrogant and a

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couple of points a little bit sexist the way he sort of brings in

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and uses the women in various ways.

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But Jimmy Darren is so smooth.

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He is so pleasant.

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And so charming.

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I don't think there's a more charming character in Star Trek than

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Jimmy Darren is a vic I'm saying.

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He's pretty amazing.

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It's lovely.

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Yeah.

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And apparently he did know Frank and Nancy Sinatra.

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Apparently he was he was sort of, they said, you know, do you want

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to do Star Trek?

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and he was like, oh, no, not really.

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And then he got the script and he went, get my Asian on the

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phone.

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I'm going to do it.

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Oh boy, this scene between, I just love this.

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Because why is Odo unburdening himself to Quark?

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Like, it's so weird.

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And like we we come in.

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Who else is this?

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No, no, it's even better than that, though.

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You know, it's like, what's happening here?

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Why are they talking about this?

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And you can see how unwilling he is to talk?

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And then Otis goes, okay, we need to talk to you about. a missing

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shipment of whatever.

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Something in roach or something.

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Like, it's just like, he constantly talks like a Fringia.

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I love that.

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Have you ever tried to open negotiations with Maj Shakira?

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Yeah, I came here to talk about a missing shipment of growed

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clusters.

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You started talking about the major.

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Who cares?

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And something stupid.

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But that's really fun.

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Like, that's awesome.

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And that's the sort of sitcommy stuff that happens all the way

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through here, I think.

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And this is where you see 2 actors have done a lot of comedy

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elsewhere.

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Yeah, yeah. can just time this stuff and use their chemistry.

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And this, like this, this bit, you're not the most loveable person

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in the galaxy or in this sector or on the station or even in this

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room.

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You are cold, which is remote.

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But I go now. yes please do.

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Nathan, how much night is straight with terrible comedy have we

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sat for?

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Where have they been hiding this?

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Well, I think of 90s strike, the only show that does it really

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successfully is Deep Space 9, I think.

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It's so lovely as well.

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I just can't tell you how lovely it is that they're doing

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something a bit different with the score and they're using the

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piano and all of that.

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In scene set on the station as well.

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I'm like, why don't you do this more often as well?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's funny.

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I love this drink.

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One warp court breach coming up.

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It's an enormous fish bowl with this fropping drink.

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And then he doesn't drink it.

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He doesn't even try.

436
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No, I don't know what's happening here.

437
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Oh, no, no, more than sailor.

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He will laugh it.

439
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Yeah, Morn will have it.

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That's right.

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He does Pat Mourn on the thing.

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It does look like a war court breach, doesn't it?

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It does...

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I reckon you could draw a smart face in that.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Oh, and look, Quark's protecting Odo as well, because he doesn't

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want to embarrass him.

448
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Yeah, exactly.

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Exactly.

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It's their it's their unspoken relationship that provides the most

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touching moments right up until...

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Do you remember when Court goes to see him?

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Aren't you going to say goodbye to me?

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No, Nerys, I'll be on the runabout.

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And do you like the set?

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Do you like Vic set?

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Um, yes.

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I mean, it's still very brown and stuff.

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But, but I like the Vic Fontaine thing on the curtains, and I like

460
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there's a little kind of painting on the, behind the bar, which

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they specially made, which I think looks pretty cool, and it's

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different, you know, like it, we get them to see them in a, in a

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not a space environment, which is kind of nice.

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Oh, I think they realise in series 7, you know what?

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We didn't do all that sort of fabulous 60s art deco enough.

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So it's only a paper moon, you know, we're living in Vic's house

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with these gorgeous sofas and sideboards and outrageous mirrors on

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the wall and then it's wonderful.

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I do like, I just, again, it's just lit in a different way, so the

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bit where Kira comes out and starts singing and it's spoiled. so

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good.

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It is so good.

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I was sort of watching, I was watching the direction of this, and

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I think this, this genre is very hard to get right.

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And there's a few moments where, and it's Alan Croeco. normally

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does.

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He does a call to arms, what you leave behind you, the biggies.

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He's just as adept at doing this, I think.

479
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Yeah, yeah.

480
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And he said that he liked this.

481
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I mean, I think this works incredibly well.

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You know, the music, the lighting, the direction.

483
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I think it's good, you know.

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And all of those bits in, you know, when people are...

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I love this, Jesus Christ, where he's got one of the tiny

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umbrellas for a cocktail and he's playing with it.

487
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Oh, I love that line there.

488
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I've used that with a few friends.

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Look, she already likes you, all right?

490
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That means you're halfway there.

491
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You just got get there.

492
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Yeah.

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But what's great about Renee is he plays these early scenes, like

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his usual rigid statuesque odo, and you just watch him thaw and

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relax throughout the episode until the moments where he's

496
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obviously humiliated horribly, and then he becomes a statue.

497
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

498
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Yeah.

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I mean, in fact, I really, really like this, this series of scenes

500
00:24:01.019 --> 00:24:07.319
because Kira's away now on Bajor with horrible Shakaar, a.k.a.

501
00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:09.299
Ronan from...

502
00:24:09.299 --> 00:24:10.440
Oh, it is, isn't it?

503
00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:14.279
Yeah. from some...

504
00:24:14.339 --> 00:24:18.420
In fact, so was Parile Carer, terrible taste, man.

505
00:24:18.900 --> 00:24:23.940
And this, like, there's a very sort of data-ish thing here.

506
00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:28.980
Like, you know, there's always that sort of thing where Odo's set

507
00:24:28.980 --> 00:24:33.900
up to be someone who stands apart from humanity and critiques it

508
00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:34.619
and staff.

509
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:36.660
He's not really that much like data.

510
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:37.680
This.

511
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:38.519
Oh, dear.

512
00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:42.299
Yeah, there's a couple of really terrible effect.

513
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:45.119
There's one later where Kira's starting to get a hollow sweet and

514
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.779
you know it's about to change to the regular... background because

515
00:24:48.779 --> 00:24:49.559
she's matted in.

516
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:50.819
But I do like it.

517
00:24:51.900 --> 00:24:55.920
I like how he just creates a tuxedo to wear.

518
00:24:55.980 --> 00:24:58.920
I think... going to have fun.

519
00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:00.599
He goes, you mean like this?

520
00:25:00.660 --> 00:25:02.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

521
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:02.640
That's it.

522
00:25:02.700 --> 00:25:05.640
In fact, this scene is absolutely superb, right?

523
00:25:05.700 --> 00:25:09.539
Because it's, it's there's nothing happening.

524
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:11.940
We just have the song, right?

525
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:16.859
Um, and like the song goes for quite a while, like a much longer

526
00:25:16.859 --> 00:25:17.519
than you would think.

527
00:25:17.579 --> 00:25:20.400
It is just like a musical number in the middle of a, in the middle

528
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:21.180
of a thing.

529
00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:23.700
Um, and all that's happening.

530
00:25:23.940 --> 00:25:25.920
It's a great song.

531
00:25:25.980 --> 00:25:27.240
So this has come fly with me, right?

532
00:25:27.299 --> 00:25:29.279
And it's lie with me.

533
00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:30.599
Let's take off.

534
00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:31.319
Sorry, yeah.

535
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:33.240
Yeah, this is the one that they reprise at the end.

536
00:25:33.299 --> 00:25:35.759
It's not the your nobody till somebody loves you.

537
00:25:35.819 --> 00:25:37.319
Oh, that's such a funny line.

538
00:25:37.380 --> 00:25:38.220
You don't need me.

539
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:39.480
The piano's doing all the work.

540
00:25:39.539 --> 00:25:41.579
And he's trying to keep up with it.

541
00:25:41.579 --> 00:25:48.059
So yeah, watch him.

542
00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:52.859
Just the entire thing is down to how Odo changes during the course

543
00:25:52.859 --> 00:25:54.539
of this, right?

544
00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:57.240
And he's he's overthinking it.

545
00:25:57.299 --> 00:26:01.500
He's awkward, he's in on himself, he's sort of concentrating, you

546
00:26:01.500 --> 00:26:04.500
know, he's he's sort of rigid in his movements and then he just

547
00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:05.039
relaxes.

548
00:26:05.099 --> 00:26:09.420
I think relaxes want to invite them back, invite him back to their

549
00:26:09.420 --> 00:26:10.259
room after this.

550
00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:14.460
Like, the magic, he's like...

551
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:17.220
He starts sort of shaking his head, you know, in that way you do

552
00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:18.480
when you really relax.

553
00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:20.700
And at the end he goes, cool.

554
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:25.859
And he's still a dork, like he's still a massive dog.

555
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:27.180
Of course you're not.

556
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:28.619
And that's adorable.

557
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:29.880
What he is is adorable.

558
00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:31.920
Like he's chill and adorable.

559
00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:34.740
No point in this episode does Odo become Vic Fontaine.

560
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:35.940
Mick is smooth.

561
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:37.740
Od is not smooth. you know?

562
00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:40.799
But you love him. and fuck me.

563
00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:43.740
We've all had an unrequited romance in our lives.

564
00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:45.000
All of us at some point.

565
00:26:45.660 --> 00:26:49.079
So we buy into this from the very start.

566
00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:53.880
But then you add Renee to the mix and you're just, your heart goes

567
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:55.619
out to him for in every single scene.

568
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:59.759
I still think, like, why is the band sidling up to the piano?

569
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:02.279
They really look like they're gonna invite him back.

570
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:05.759
You know what?

571
00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:09.059
I'm going to drop this now, but, you know, my overall said when he

572
00:27:09.059 --> 00:27:11.460
watched this, I will come back to this later, because I'm going to

573
00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:14.160
end the episode telling you about his experience of watching this

574
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:14.460
episode.

575
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:18.660
He goes, oh, he goes, it's a romance with a Burns victim.

576
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:21.240
I was like, will you be quiet, please?

577
00:27:21.299 --> 00:27:22.619
I'm trying to enjoy this.

578
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:25.740
I mean, you said to me in the chat that makeup is an issue.

579
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.079
But it's his look, isn't it?

580
00:27:28.140 --> 00:27:28.619
What can you do?

581
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:34.019
But it is, it is also, you know, like you can see Renee having to

582
00:27:34.019 --> 00:27:38.279
play it bigger because his face is so sort of slathered in latex

583
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:41.400
and he manages to do it because he's really great.

584
00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:46.200
But you do kind of think if only we'd had a kind of makeup job

585
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:49.680
that had let us see his facial features a little bit more.

586
00:27:49.740 --> 00:27:51.660
Oh, he's doing great.

587
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:56.099
If I can believe in the romance between Penny Johnson, Gerald and

588
00:27:56.099 --> 00:27:59.220
that robot in Seth McFarlane's.

589
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:00.480
What's that show called?

590
00:28:00.539 --> 00:28:02.640
The gay robot in Orville.

591
00:28:02.700 --> 00:28:06.720
Yeah, I mean, she literally snogs the sphere of the robot.

592
00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:08.579
If I can believe that, I can believe this.

593
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:10.140
No, no, fair enough.

594
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:13.920
I mean, we make some concessions with science fiction, don't we?

595
00:28:13.980 --> 00:28:14.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

596
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:16.440
But look, I mean, look.

597
00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:20.400
All we're doing is singing this song and just watching Odo loosen

598
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:21.180
up.

599
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:21.839
And look at him now.

600
00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:24.059
Like, he's really going for the piano.

601
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:25.440
He's singing along.

602
00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:28.079
Um, you know, it's really...

603
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:30.660
It's like me on the dance floor because I'm really awkward on the

604
00:28:30.660 --> 00:28:31.079
dance floor.

605
00:28:31.140 --> 00:28:32.819
I feel really embarrassed.

606
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:35.279
But then I sort you sort of loosen up after a bit, don't you?

607
00:28:35.339 --> 00:28:37.019
and get into it.

608
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:39.000
And then you realise it doesn't actually matter that you look

609
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:40.380
ridiculous. that's right.

610
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:41.940
And he still looks ridiculous.

611
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.380
But in an adorable way.

612
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:46.559
It is, it's like the outrageous O'Connor, isn't it?

613
00:28:46.619 --> 00:28:51.299
It's like data going to the holodeck to get I think this is why

614
00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:54.839
people's heckles were up with their thinking, Oh boy, are we doing

615
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:56.160
the outracial O'Connor?

616
00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:58.500
Yeah, yeah, and the outrageous O'Connor, to be fair, is bad

617
00:28:58.619 --> 00:29:00.059
terrible.

618
00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:03.660
Although O'Connor has turned up both in prodigy and in lower

619
00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:04.200
decks.

620
00:29:04.259 --> 00:29:05.880
So it's memorable.

621
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:10.440
I have to say, I spent more time watching extras in this episode

622
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:11.759
than I ever have before.

623
00:29:11.819 --> 00:29:16.259
And all the people in Vic's bar are the people that are on the

624
00:29:16.259 --> 00:29:16.920
Promenade.

625
00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:22.920
There's a hot guy that just Lola Crystal sings fever too. which is

626
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:23.279
pretty good.

627
00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:25.500
Oh, Lola Crystal.

628
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:28.920
I thought I was on the turn watching that.

629
00:29:28.980 --> 00:29:30.059
It's so great.

630
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.140
Oh, is this a bit where those 2 bimbos come in?

631
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.319
They have to take them to the dunes or the sands.

632
00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:38.460
Oh, these comedy clubs?

633
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:40.680
They're talking?

634
00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:44.220
No, no, but they do talk about comic, you know, like, because it's

635
00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:45.539
Vegas. you know what I mean?

636
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.880
There's people doing comedy things and they mention a few

637
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:49.140
comedians and stuff as well.

638
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:55.079
Um, And, you know, like, like Vic has a sort of line in kind of

639
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:56.339
fun pattern stuff.

640
00:29:56.819 --> 00:29:58.740
She goes, what is it?

641
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.180
We're going to go and see Shecky.

642
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:00.960
Shecky.

643
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:01.680
No, no, fight.

644
00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:02.099
Who?

645
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.220
I don't think anyone knows who Sheck is.

646
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.380
Look at that fabulous couch he's got there.

647
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:08.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

648
00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:10.680
All the cushions on that stuff is so good.

649
00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:12.180
We're very 60s, aren't we?

650
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.460
We could be back in at Simon Earth again.

651
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:15.839
Well, that's the thing.

652
00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:19.019
I mean, this is the early 60s, isn't it, rather than late 60s, but

653
00:30:19.019 --> 00:30:24.299
there is a kind of 60s vibe to some of the stuff even in the 80s.

654
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:28.440
And I think leaning into the 60s, which is stylish as hell, is

655
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:29.759
absolutely the right thing to do.

656
00:30:29.819 --> 00:30:31.619
I mean, look how fabulous those women look.

657
00:30:31.740 --> 00:30:34.079
I mean why don't women dress like this now?

658
00:30:34.140 --> 00:30:35.039
I mean, you know.

659
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:37.559
The 60s was the best time, I think.

660
00:30:37.619 --> 00:30:38.519
Absolutely.

661
00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:39.480
Absolutely.

662
00:30:39.539 --> 00:30:41.460
Well, I love how...

663
00:30:41.460 --> 00:30:43.259
Well, you look at that...

664
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:44.160
Which one?

665
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:45.119
indoor story.

666
00:30:45.180 --> 00:30:46.920
I just love the designs.

667
00:30:47.579 --> 00:30:51.480
Yes, that says everything about my sexuality, doesn't it?

668
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:53.099
I'm looking at the lamp.

669
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:57.059
Oh, can I look at your hands?

670
00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:59.099
They're so artistic.

671
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:00.779
Yeah, they're great.

672
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.960
He doesn't quite know what to do.

673
00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:07.079
And now she's comparing him to Liber Archie, who had very sweet

674
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:08.940
dimples and was clearly extremely gay.

675
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:15.480
Apparently, Shecky, according to Memory Alpha is Shecky Green, who

676
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:20.099
was a comedian who did a show for 30 years in Vegas because people

677
00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:23.039
just end up, you know, doing it forever there, I think.

678
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:26.759
I'm wondering, you know, Jimmy Darren wasn't a bit of a creative

679
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:29.339
consultant on all this stuff, given that, you know, he was

680
00:31:29.339 --> 00:31:31.319
involved with this stuff back in the day.

681
00:31:31.380 --> 00:31:37.440
Maybe, maybe, but, um, you know, it's the sort of thing that, you

682
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:40.680
know, it's the perfect kind of thing to choose, I think.

683
00:31:40.740 --> 00:31:44.039
Think of all of those dismal fucking holodeck programs that they

684
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:46.559
went to for entertainment on Voyager over the years.

685
00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:52.799
And how just kind of conceived they were. terrible.

686
00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:56.880
I love that lie where she went, he plays the piano and he's

687
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:57.180
funny.

688
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.160
How do you get to Carnegie Hall?

689
00:32:02.220 --> 00:32:04.859
The more I'm watching this, right?

690
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:09.000
The more I know that Star Trek fans are just really irritated the

691
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:09.779
more this goes on.

692
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:11.279
I love it more.

693
00:32:11.339 --> 00:32:12.420
It's so good.

694
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.779
It's so great Oh, boring, Deep Space nine.

695
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:16.680
Do we have to go back?

696
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:19.799
Oh, this is one of the best scenes.

697
00:32:19.859 --> 00:32:23.519
Odo going to deliver his whatever report.

698
00:32:23.579 --> 00:32:28.319
It's a report about a smuggling ring. been so bewitched by all the

699
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:28.619
music.

700
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:30.480
He starts singing in Cisco's office.

701
00:32:30.539 --> 00:32:34.740
Yeah, no, they can't take that away from me.

702
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:39.119
But the best bit is when Avery joins in.

703
00:32:39.180 --> 00:32:43.440
And like I said to you at the end of Batter being Better Bang, you

704
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:47.099
know, why doesn't Avery sing every week on this show?

705
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.440
He's got the most beautiful tenor voice.

706
00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:50.880
He's astoundingly great.

707
00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:55.680
He's so good with Jimmy Darren in that duet at the end of the at

708
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:56.460
the end of the episode.

709
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:57.660
The best is yet to come.

710
00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:59.039
You know, I don't know.

711
00:32:59.099 --> 00:33:01.500
It's so good.

712
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:02.039
Look at him.

713
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:06.000
Nothing that lights up my life. more than Avery Brooks smiling

714
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:06.420
like that.

715
00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:08.339
Yeah, beautiful.

716
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.579
It's like an endorsement of life, isn't it?

717
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:12.480
It is, isn't it?

718
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:15.779
And then they start singing together.

719
00:33:16.140 --> 00:33:17.940
That's so wonderful.

720
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.599
And Odo sings in that sort of growly way that is absolutely

721
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:24.599
perfect for the character.

722
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:25.319
Sort of terrible.

723
00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:27.059
It's wonderful.

724
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.220
But it's also a bit period, I think.

725
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:30.960
But yeah, yeah, it's so good.

726
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:34.440
Oh, I wonder how long they sang for before he went well.

727
00:33:34.500 --> 00:33:35.460
Oh, go then, shall I?

728
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:36.599
Oh, here we go.

729
00:33:36.660 --> 00:33:37.859
So this is me at work now.

730
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:39.480
So Dax is going down the corridor.

731
00:33:39.539 --> 00:33:42.779
She about to get him the lift and she's got the latest hot goss

732
00:33:42.779 --> 00:33:43.559
about Kira.

733
00:33:43.619 --> 00:33:44.279
Yes, yeah.

734
00:33:44.339 --> 00:33:46.859
Unfortunately, Bashir's there.

735
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:52.259
Well, Reggie and waiting to hear it. hear of them.

736
00:33:52.500 --> 00:33:56.099
Like this is the sort of scene on Voyager that would just tank.

737
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

738
00:33:58.259 --> 00:33:59.579
Yeah, I don't know why it is.

739
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:00.359
Are they older?

740
00:34:00.420 --> 00:34:01.920
They're just generally better, I think.

741
00:34:01.980 --> 00:34:03.599
And the dialogue is better.

742
00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:05.759
On the whole...

743
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:06.299
I'm not sure.

744
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.480
Maybe they've relaxed more than the Voyager crew.

745
00:34:09.539 --> 00:34:10.739
Yeah, maybe that's it.

746
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:12.059
Maybe that's it.

747
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:12.659
No lie there.

748
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:14.280
She goes, well, Sodo got to do with it.

749
00:34:14.340 --> 00:34:14.940
Nothing at all.

750
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:16.139
That's the problem.

751
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah. she's such a bimbo in this.

752
00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:21.360
It's really funny how ditsy she is.

753
00:34:21.420 --> 00:34:22.739
I love it. just awesome.

754
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:25.019
Well, they do it again, Jimmer, and cheers on the prophets.

755
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:26.280
We're having a baby.

756
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.400
It was a secret.

757
00:34:29.579 --> 00:34:35.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah Now, we are going to see potentially the sexiest

758
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:36.599
moment ever in Star Trek.

759
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:37.679
Oh my goodness.

760
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:39.000
Oh this is so great.

761
00:34:39.059 --> 00:34:41.099
Yeah, this is really probably good.

762
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.579
And this is one of my favourite songs ever, I think, Fever.

763
00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:47.400
And, you know, she is so beautiful.

764
00:34:47.460 --> 00:34:48.480
She's so good in it.

765
00:34:48.539 --> 00:34:53.219
This is one of 2 songs that played on my wedding day.

766
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:55.380
So I had a singer on my wedding day.

767
00:34:55.980 --> 00:34:59.340
And Fever was one of them, and I've got you under my skin, which

768
00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:01.980
is one of my favourite songs ever. which are both in this.

769
00:35:02.099 --> 00:35:04.800
That was, I've got your normal ice skim was our 1st dance.

770
00:35:04.860 --> 00:35:08.340
So I have, and it's because of, I 1st heard it here.

771
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:09.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

772
00:35:09.659 --> 00:35:11.099
Well, both of them are in this.

773
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:15.420
So the definitive version of Fever is, of course, Rita Marino on

774
00:35:15.420 --> 00:35:16.380
the Muppet show.

775
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:19.860
Yeah, yeah, absolutely incredible.

776
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.800
And you should all go and watch that immediately after this

777
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:23.699
episode's over.

778
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:25.920
This may be the 2nd best version.

779
00:35:25.980 --> 00:35:29.219
She didn't get an Emmy for it, I think, actually, her performance

780
00:35:29.219 --> 00:35:31.260
in the Muppet show, so...

781
00:35:31.260 --> 00:35:33.960
Well, I think Nunal visitor should have gotten Emmy.

782
00:35:34.019 --> 00:35:35.099
This is so good.

783
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:38.940
This, look how sexy that is. and just they've turned the lights

784
00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:39.300
down.

785
00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:42.360
She sort of steps out of the darkness.

786
00:35:42.420 --> 00:35:45.480
Yeah, and how beautifully framed that is.

787
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:46.860
Look at her looking at him.

788
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:49.440
So good, looking at the...

789
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:50.280
Everything she does.

790
00:35:50.340 --> 00:35:53.159
She strokes the instrument.

791
00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:53.699
Yeah, yeah.

792
00:35:53.699 --> 00:35:58.199
She sort of sidles up to people in a very romantic way, stroking

793
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:02.039
the symbol there, stretches across that piano in the most

794
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:03.659
luxurious way you've ever seen.

795
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:04.920
Yeah, yeah.

796
00:36:04.980 --> 00:36:06.659
Wonderful. at that.

797
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:12.119
I, I couldn't, and that, look at what she's doing in the

798
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:12.599
microphone.

799
00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:13.619
It's...

800
00:36:13.619 --> 00:36:17.159
It was limp and now it's...

801
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:21.840
Star Trek. are you doing?

802
00:36:21.900 --> 00:36:23.699
Honest to God.

803
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.860
It's like rotten Barry's back.

804
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:27.900
She's singing to that handsome man there.

805
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:29.219
Woo hoo.

806
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.039
Oh, look, the way the camera went up with her then.

807
00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:33.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

808
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.519
And the red, it's so great.

809
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:36.659
Fingering the piano.

810
00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:37.920
Of course she is.

811
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.400
Back to back with Odo now.

812
00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:43.860
Yeah, this so good.

813
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:46.199
Oh, she's loving this song too much.

814
00:36:49.380 --> 00:36:51.300
Oh boy, boy.

815
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:55.380
Odo looks like he has literally got to forgive me.

816
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:57.059
It looks like it's going to explode.

817
00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:58.199
That's right.

818
00:36:58.260 --> 00:37:00.059
It's all just a bit too much for him still.

819
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:01.440
You remember that bit?

820
00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:03.719
In crossover where he just blew up.

821
00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:05.639
He's about to go again.

822
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:10.980
Oh, watch yourself on that piano, love.

823
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:12.300
Ah she's so good.

824
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:13.559
Look at that.

825
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.380
What a lovely way to burn.

826
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:17.340
So good.

827
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:23.519
It's like, you know, we said there's a couple of times, but like

828
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:25.679
right, the light of this world, the music's good.

829
00:37:25.739 --> 00:37:27.900
You know, everyone looks sexy and gorgeous.

830
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:29.099
Like Star Trek, where have you been?

831
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:30.719
Why are you doing this every week?

832
00:37:30.780 --> 00:37:31.500
Exactly.

833
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:35.760
Oh, that's awesome.

834
00:37:35.820 --> 00:37:36.719
So good.

835
00:37:36.780 --> 00:37:41.099
And again, just as a musical number, it's so enjoyable, you know

836
00:37:41.099 --> 00:37:44.039
there's character stuff happening, obviously, but I'm just

837
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:47.039
enjoying hearing that no visitors sing.

838
00:37:47.460 --> 00:37:51.719
And it really does lead into something that I say about DS9 all

839
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:56.699
the time, and that is, I think the format of Deep Space 9

840
00:37:56.699 --> 00:38:00.179
stretches further than any of the other nine-ish.

841
00:38:00.300 --> 00:38:01.139
Yeah, yeah.

842
00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:04.500
When you think last week was in the Palm Moon night.

843
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.679
Next week is the reckoning, which is like religious war, you

844
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:07.860
know?

845
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:09.179
yeah.

846
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:11.579
Yeah, there's a lot going on, isn't there?

847
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:16.380
It's, it's, you know, the premise of Star Trek the Next Generation

848
00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:19.920
is very light and deliberately stays light.

849
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.699
Look at that smoking.

850
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:27.000
I think they have the confidence to just go, let's try it.

851
00:38:27.059 --> 00:38:28.440
Yeah, yeah.

852
00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:29.519
What do you want to do this week?

853
00:38:29.579 --> 00:38:30.840
We want to do a baseball match.

854
00:38:30.900 --> 00:38:32.219
All right. let's give it a go.

855
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:33.059
Yeah, yeah.

856
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:34.500
And that's not just a baseball match.

857
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:36.300
That's a sitcom episode as well.

858
00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:40.019
I mean, Star Trek, the Next Generation, does a Western, but it

859
00:38:40.019 --> 00:38:43.559
really is just the holodeck goes out of control in a particular

860
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.239
way, which is kind of fun.

861
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:47.159
Have you watched that recently, though?

862
00:38:47.219 --> 00:38:49.320
It's so flatly directed that episode.

863
00:38:49.380 --> 00:38:51.900
Except I love...

864
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:52.920
I love Marina in it.

865
00:38:52.980 --> 00:38:56.039
Oh so do I. Morango.

866
00:38:56.099 --> 00:38:57.420
I'm casting...

867
00:38:57.420 --> 00:38:58.079
Morango.

868
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:01.380
She's so good.

869
00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:05.039
Oh, look, Odo, stop picking up the patter now.

870
00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:07.139
He says it's kind of like Witzborga.

871
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:08.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

872
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:08.940
Yeah.

873
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:14.760
And then, yeah, it very awkwardly tries to kiss her and just can't

874
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:15.059
play.

875
00:39:15.059 --> 00:39:15.659
Because she's not real.

876
00:39:15.900 --> 00:39:17.340
No.

877
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:22.679
Oh, I like her final line too, again, because she...

878
00:39:22.739 --> 00:39:23.280
Yeah.

879
00:39:23.340 --> 00:39:28.559
And again, I think that it was the right decision, not just for

880
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.960
character reasons to just show that he's still shy and he can't

881
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:31.920
kind of do it.

882
00:39:31.980 --> 00:39:37.019
Um, but also to not have him kiss a simulacrum of her on the

883
00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:42.659
politic, Leah Brahm style or like Jeffrey Coombes in that episode

884
00:39:42.659 --> 00:39:43.619
that we did.

885
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:44.940
What was that one?

886
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.280
Are you saying Odo's got a modicum of good taste?

887
00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:48.239
Yeah, morality.

888
00:39:48.300 --> 00:39:49.559
So did you hear this?

889
00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:53.039
How hard it was to get a holographic image of Major Kira?

890
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:56.760
Because as we had to get rid of her Russian accent... a day to get

891
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:57.900
rid of her Russian accent.

892
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:01.800
But it is also a reference to that episode where Jeffrey Coombs is

893
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:05.039
trying to get a holographic image of an an arm visitor as well.

894
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:06.360
Oh, Julian.

895
00:40:06.420 --> 00:40:08.039
I never thought I'd see you live again.

896
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:13.199
Colonel, come on enough, KGP.

897
00:40:13.260 --> 00:40:14.400
But you know what?

898
00:40:14.460 --> 00:40:15.719
Red O, man.

899
00:40:15.780 --> 00:40:16.920
He could just deliver any line.

900
00:40:16.980 --> 00:40:20.460
He had a garbled line then, and he made it work perfectly.

901
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:23.519
He goes, you programmed her to find me irresistible.

902
00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:26.579
I could read her last week's criminal activities report and she'd

903
00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:27.360
think it was poetry.

904
00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:31.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah. which is a very kind of Star Trek line.

905
00:40:31.739 --> 00:40:33.119
But he does sing it.

906
00:40:33.179 --> 00:40:34.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

907
00:40:34.260 --> 00:40:34.679
Yeah.

908
00:40:34.739 --> 00:40:36.420
That's why they paid for this as well.

909
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.760
Now, actually, this is the bit I was talking to you about

910
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:39.119
earlier.

911
00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:41.340
Watch how many extras are on the promenade right now.

912
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:46.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. and more and more people turn up Oh, and

913
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:50.639
also Kira's come back and she's wearing this beautiful dress

914
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:52.380
that's still...

915
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.719
They got the sort of huge arms, doesn't it?

916
00:40:54.780 --> 00:40:55.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

917
00:40:55.739 --> 00:40:59.519
It's kind of low cart and it's relaxed, like it's really relaxed

918
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.579
and it's her usual colour, though.

919
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:04.440
It's still her normal colour.

920
00:41:04.500 --> 00:41:08.699
Straight to the hollow suite to do some meditation. what looks

921
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:10.139
like the cave that's behind you right now.

922
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:12.000
Yes, exactly.

923
00:41:13.260 --> 00:41:16.619
But again, look at the nice suffuse lighting here as well.

924
00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:18.480
It's very easy on the eye.

925
00:41:18.539 --> 00:41:19.619
Yeah, yeah.

926
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:20.699
This is a nice scene.

927
00:41:20.820 --> 00:41:25.920
And again, giving Jimmy Darren giving Vic Fontaine the ability to

928
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.500
just wander into her holodeck program.

929
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:32.280
You know, that the idea that they sell that he's self-aware, and

930
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:33.900
that he has some control over the thing.

931
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:35.519
I think it's just great.

932
00:41:35.579 --> 00:41:37.440
He just transfers himself over.

933
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:43.440
Oh, it's only a paper moon where they make the decision to just

934
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:45.059
keep him on and let him exist.

935
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:46.920
Oh, they run the whole time.

936
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:50.039
It just feels like such a lovely moment.

937
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.219
Because he's helped so many people. point out.

938
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.440
He's helped them find love.

939
00:41:55.500 --> 00:41:59.099
He helps not get over his the loss of his leg.

940
00:41:59.159 --> 00:41:59.699
Yeah, yeah.

941
00:42:03.179 --> 00:42:08.099
He's not the same stick in the mud anymore. swing.

942
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:11.820
This is actually adorable too, isn't it?

943
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:17.460
Like that he is just as much, you know, Cyrano de Bergerac for

944
00:42:17.460 --> 00:42:18.300
her.

945
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:22.739
You know, he just, he hasn't been asked to do this, has he?

946
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:26.579
And in fact, yeah, yeah, yeah.

947
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:29.460
He's programmed as a self-aware hologram, isn't he?

948
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:32.400
So he's making independent choices. right.

949
00:42:32.460 --> 00:42:35.579
And it's risky, but it works.

950
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:38.820
I think, like, it's hard to be angry at him even though there's

951
00:42:38.820 --> 00:42:41.099
deception and it nearly goes wrong.

952
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:43.500
You know, and he feels bad, doesn't he?

953
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:47.579
Like he says computer end program and turns himself off when that

954
00:42:47.579 --> 00:42:49.019
scene goes wrong.

955
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:53.400
There is deception, but isn't that like at the heart of the best

956
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:54.539
romantic comedies?

957
00:42:55.380 --> 00:42:57.480
With all of these misunderstandings happening.

958
00:42:57.599 --> 00:42:58.500
Yep.

959
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:00.599
And, you know, like it's perfect.

960
00:43:00.659 --> 00:43:02.039
It happens at the point.

961
00:43:02.099 --> 00:43:05.639
Like this is basically a sort of happily a happily ever after

962
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:06.059
thing.

963
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:07.619
It doesn't end up that way.

964
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:12.119
But like it's a, it's a romance that turns out good.

965
00:43:12.179 --> 00:43:16.800
There's one setback just towards the end, which they overcome, and

966
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:19.800
then they're together, and that's exactly how these things work.

967
00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:22.320
Um, and finally...

968
00:43:22.380 --> 00:43:23.099
Yeah.

969
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:27.659
What I love about it is, is they sell the moment when they dance

970
00:43:27.659 --> 00:43:30.480
during the dinner scene when they look at each other and she

971
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:33.539
realises there's something there that she's never seen before.

972
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:39.119
So then after the setback, she's the one that steps in and says, no

973
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:39.900
let's do this.

974
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:42.059
Like, this isn't going to be a setback.

975
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:42.900
Let's go for dinner.

976
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:45.000
Fuck it, let's snog, you know?

977
00:43:45.059 --> 00:43:46.139
So good.

978
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:47.760
It's so great.

979
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:52.019
I do like people that take control, you know.

980
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:52.739
Yeah.

981
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:53.340
Yeah.

982
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:55.260
I mean, Dax did it in Palmarks.

983
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:56.400
Kieran's doing it here.

984
00:43:56.460 --> 00:43:59.400
The women of DS9 are horny and ready to go.

985
00:43:59.460 --> 00:44:04.980
But, you know, like it's Odo who goes for coaching, you know, who

986
00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:07.139
goes and asks for Vic's Alve.

987
00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:10.199
This scene is so good.

988
00:44:10.260 --> 00:44:12.119
That shit looks good.

989
00:44:12.179 --> 00:44:14.579
She looks stunningly beautiful.

990
00:44:14.820 --> 00:44:18.780
It's because, like, think where we started with Kira yet, in

991
00:44:18.780 --> 00:44:19.920
emissary, think about.

992
00:44:20.099 --> 00:44:21.480
Things of cross and yelling.

993
00:44:21.539 --> 00:44:22.619
Look at that.

994
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:24.719
It's terrible hair.

995
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:27.000
Now she looks beautiful.

996
00:44:27.059 --> 00:44:31.199
But the tentative way she plays the scene, the vulnerabilities

997
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:32.340
that she exposes.

998
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.659
And it's what you said, and I'm more aware of it now because you

999
00:44:36.659 --> 00:44:39.960
keep saying to me, you know, there's no subtext in Star Trek.

1000
00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:42.179
It's all done with fucking dialogue all the time.

1001
00:44:42.300 --> 00:44:45.300
And there's so much happening unsaid in this scene.

1002
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:46.260
Yeah.

1003
00:44:46.260 --> 00:44:47.880
What I love.

1004
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:53.280
It reminds me of last week or the week before last with Beverly.

1005
00:44:53.340 --> 00:44:56.400
We said that Beverly, you know, the gates gave a great performance

1006
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:59.880
because she knew what was happening in the scene.

1007
00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:06.300
Here, you get Kira just being normal, you know, like not being a

1008
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:10.739
space person, not being a cranky alien, you know, like the, being

1009
00:45:10.739 --> 00:45:14.340
a religious person, not being an administrator, not being an

1010
00:45:14.340 --> 00:45:15.179
exterrorist.

1011
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:19.139
It's 2 people on a 1st date and they're really nervous and they're

1012
00:45:19.139 --> 00:45:21.539
giving each other permission to be nervous because they're kind of

1013
00:45:21.539 --> 00:45:23.760
grown-ups and they've been here before.

1014
00:45:23.820 --> 00:45:28.019
Oh, I love how Renee is, he doesn't, he's been practising French.

1015
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.300
Renee.

1016
00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:33.480
Renee Aubourginois is pretty...

1017
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:43.739
I don't think Kira really wants to be here, but she loves Odo and

1018
00:45:43.739 --> 00:45:46.559
she wants to give him a chance, just want to hurt his feelings.

1019
00:45:46.619 --> 00:45:50.460
She's been asked to come for this day and I think very quickly she

1020
00:45:50.460 --> 00:45:51.659
starts to relax into it.

1021
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:55.800
But I think initially she's like, I'm not sure I actually want to

1022
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:56.099
be here.

1023
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:58.019
Oh, yeah, this is really awkward.

1024
00:45:58.079 --> 00:45:58.500
Yeah.

1025
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.019
But but he's not weird.

1026
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:01.800
Do you know what I mean?

1027
00:46:01.860 --> 00:46:05.760
Like, and he lets her be tentative and he's a bit more confident

1028
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:06.239
than normal.

1029
00:46:06.300 --> 00:46:08.760
I mean, he's still nervous and tentative as well, but look how

1030
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:09.960
much more relaxed he is.

1031
00:46:10.019 --> 00:46:11.820
He's pouring the champagne.

1032
00:46:12.539 --> 00:46:16.559
And he's obviously relaxed because he thinks she's a hologram

1033
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:17.639
throughout the entire thing.

1034
00:46:17.699 --> 00:46:20.460
So whilst this is just gorgeous to watch.

1035
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.559
We're waiting for the penny to drop as well.

1036
00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:24.900
So there is suspense in the same tune.

1037
00:46:26.219 --> 00:46:30.900
Or we're sort of hoping maybe he'll get away with it, you know, and

1038
00:46:30.900 --> 00:46:32.039
not say the clangour.

1039
00:46:32.099 --> 00:46:35.820
Yeah, you know, like I was actually just watching it as their 1st

1040
00:46:35.820 --> 00:46:40.619
date and like I knew that there was that, but just seeing the 2 of

1041
00:46:40.619 --> 00:46:41.039
them.

1042
00:46:41.099 --> 00:46:44.940
You know, seeing the 2 of them and look at her, this is her being

1043
00:46:44.940 --> 00:46:46.320
really vulnerable.

1044
00:46:46.380 --> 00:46:47.880
It's our 1st date.

1045
00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:49.320
She's given it a name.

1046
00:46:49.380 --> 00:46:51.059
It's out there.

1047
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:52.320
He's saying yes.

1048
00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:54.360
I mean, it's all just so well done.

1049
00:46:54.420 --> 00:46:55.860
Compare it to Meridian.

1050
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:57.179
Remember we had Meridian.

1051
00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:58.619
It was so shit.

1052
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:02.460
I don't remember a thing about it. why these 2 people loved one

1053
00:47:02.460 --> 00:47:03.360
another or anything.

1054
00:47:03.420 --> 00:47:05.219
Don't you remember?

1055
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.880
You scoop out the pulp and then swallow it straight down.

1056
00:47:11.940 --> 00:47:13.679
We've moved on to oysters now.

1057
00:47:13.980 --> 00:47:15.719
Yeah, we have.

1058
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:18.420
Although I will say the oysters.

1059
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:21.599
He does at one point say, oh, well done, Vic.

1060
00:47:21.659 --> 00:47:24.179
So they are reminding you.

1061
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:26.219
This could go horribly wrong at any point.

1062
00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:31.559
The bit that makes my heart melt is when he asks her to come up

1063
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:35.699
and dance and she stumbles and he goes, no, it's good.

1064
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.960
They're really just warming into it together and he's trying to

1065
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:41.639
make it as comfortable as possible for her.

1066
00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:43.380
Oh I love the pair of them.

1067
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:44.400
Yeah, yeah.

1068
00:47:44.460 --> 00:47:45.539
It's so good, isn't it?

1069
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:47.159
But I just...

1070
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:50.159
This really was, this was my 1st dance song, miss.

1071
00:47:50.219 --> 00:47:51.300
And again.

1072
00:47:51.300 --> 00:47:54.239
Under my skin.

1073
00:47:54.300 --> 00:47:57.059
It's doing exactly the thing that you say that his songs do

1074
00:47:57.059 --> 00:47:58.920
because that's what this is.

1075
00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:01.739
You know, it's Odo thinking this, isn't it?

1076
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:05.699
The Odo, this is Odo thinking this about her.

1077
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.340
And her thinking about him now.

1078
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:08.880
Now look at that.

1079
00:48:08.940 --> 00:48:14.460
Look at how he how she looks at him suddenly, like as if she's

1080
00:48:14.460 --> 00:48:16.139
recognising that this...

1081
00:48:16.139 --> 00:48:17.340
Was she seen him for the 1st time?

1082
00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:17.699
Yeah.

1083
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:18.539
Yeah.

1084
00:48:18.539 --> 00:48:22.139
I love the way they come, gently comes around the table now as

1085
00:48:22.139 --> 00:48:23.519
they get up and down as well.

1086
00:48:23.579 --> 00:48:25.980
Oh, yeah, I love this.

1087
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.239
So if you're not going to stop it with a wish, Dan.

1088
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:31.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1089
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.920
There's only one thing we can do, Nathan. dance with me.

1090
00:48:37.380 --> 00:48:39.360
Just stay close.

1091
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:41.639
So good.

1092
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:43.380
It's so good.

1093
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:44.820
Oh goodness me.

1094
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:47.280
They really could have fudged this, couldn't they?

1095
00:48:47.340 --> 00:48:50.099
Oh, yeah, it could have been a disaster, you know, like it could

1096
00:48:50.099 --> 00:48:50.760
have been a disaster.

1097
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:53.820
They could have had a B plot about something spicy.

1098
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:56.820
Talk about your sonara, uh, sonara here.

1099
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:59.940
He's literally between them when they stop to look at each other.

1100
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:01.500
He's in the background, Vic.

1101
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:02.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1102
00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:04.559
As if like my work is dumb.

1103
00:49:07.860 --> 00:49:12.059
This is a beautiful rendition of I've got you under my skin as

1104
00:49:12.059 --> 00:49:12.239
well.

1105
00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:16.619
But they stop at the word stop, and then they start looking at one

1106
00:49:16.619 --> 00:49:17.099
another.

1107
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:18.659
It's so good, isn't it?

1108
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:20.219
Now look at her.

1109
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:21.719
She's smiling at him.

1110
00:49:21.780 --> 00:49:24.659
She's sort of looking into his eyes now.

1111
00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:29.219
They're going to kiss at any minute, Nathan, I'll swear.

1112
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:31.199
I think they just might.

1113
00:49:31.260 --> 00:49:34.079
The band's all looking away a bit awkward.

1114
00:49:34.139 --> 00:49:35.099
That's right.

1115
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:36.539
Should we be?

1116
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.900
They're a bit jealous, I think, because I think they thought that

1117
00:49:39.900 --> 00:49:42.900
they were in with Odo after that previous song.

1118
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:44.519
I'll be jealous of Kira.

1119
00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:45.360
She was so hot.

1120
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:48.659
She dressed like a normal person all the time.

1121
00:49:50.219 --> 00:49:52.260
Oh, no, here we go.

1122
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:53.699
You embarrass the same with me.

1123
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:54.719
No.

1124
00:49:57.300 --> 00:50:02.940
Watch watch Renee now when he when the penny drops.

1125
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:07.800
Watch him go rigid. and he sort of folds his arms.

1126
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:08.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1127
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:09.360
Yeah.

1128
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:11.099
And it was right.

1129
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:12.300
Like, oops.

1130
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:13.440
Red alert.

1131
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.519
On you, he says.

1132
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:19.260
Is that what you think?

1133
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:23.039
But even this isn't hysterical.

1134
00:50:23.099 --> 00:50:25.320
Like, I can imagine in another track show, this would be a bit

1135
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:27.840
over the top, whereas they do underplay all of this.

1136
00:50:27.900 --> 00:50:31.380
It just goes, he holds his hands up and goes, oh, I'm really

1137
00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:31.920
embarrassed.

1138
00:50:31.980 --> 00:50:32.340
I'm going.

1139
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:34.320
Yeah, yeah.

1140
00:50:34.380 --> 00:50:37.500
And he hasn't done anything wrong.

1141
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:41.940
They, like neither of those 2 have done anything wrong.

1142
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:43.440
And like...

1143
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:45.420
Yeah, yes.

1144
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:46.619
Yes, he can't.

1145
00:50:46.619 --> 00:50:50.400
But Kira, Nurse, Kira, Major.

1146
00:50:50.460 --> 00:50:51.239
Do you hear that?

1147
00:50:51.300 --> 00:50:54.780
Like he says, the 3 names in ascending order of formality.

1148
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:57.900
It's so good Nah, could you stand just there?

1149
00:50:58.019 --> 00:51:00.119
That's where we're going to do the special effect.

1150
00:51:00.179 --> 00:51:02.340
Thank you, very much. stand in front of the band.

1151
00:51:05.460 --> 00:51:07.860
That's the whole scene, no.

1152
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:11.699
That's one of the best scenes we've watched in...

1153
00:51:13.619 --> 00:51:15.719
You lied to me.

1154
00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:21.840
He's not sort of your typical romantic hero, is he, Odo?

1155
00:51:21.900 --> 00:51:26.760
No, no, but in a way, kind of is, you know, the grumpy and

1156
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:31.440
reserved and unsure, you know, who learns to loosen up.

1157
00:51:31.500 --> 00:51:33.780
Like, I think that's absolutely a thing, isn't it?

1158
00:51:34.019 --> 00:51:36.659
The lady digs you big time.

1159
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:38.579
She digs.

1160
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:45.900
Oh, just bit in a minute, right?

1161
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:49.320
I'll let it pass because she sold the moment in the dance so

1162
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:49.679
well.

1163
00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:53.159
All of this moment of clarity stuff. is very on the nose.

1164
00:51:53.219 --> 00:51:59.579
I think I think that that's maybe the worst scene and I think the

1165
00:51:59.579 --> 00:52:03.960
reason is that it's not quite heightened enough because she's

1166
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:09.960
about to go and do something that is strange and weird and risky

1167
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:12.360
and that will change her life forever.

1168
00:52:12.420 --> 00:52:17.400
And it's that moment, you know, in a in a romantic comedy where

1169
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.739
you kind of go, oh my god, fuck it.

1170
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:23.699
I have to go, but the show, like I think the direction needs to

1171
00:52:23.699 --> 00:52:26.400
sell it a little bit more and they need to sell it.

1172
00:52:26.460 --> 00:52:31.199
It's a little bit too kind of talky, but it has to be the, am I

1173
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:31.619
doing this?

1174
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:33.059
Am I really doing this moment?

1175
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:34.380
And they don't quite get it.

1176
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:38.340
And I don't think Terry Farrell believes a word she's saying.

1177
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:39.539
I can sort of tell.

1178
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:42.239
Which is going, and total clarity is a very rare thing.

1179
00:52:42.300 --> 00:52:46.079
And when it comes to you, it's like, why are you talking to him

1180
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:46.500
like a child?

1181
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:47.880
Yeah, yeah.

1182
00:52:47.940 --> 00:52:51.000
Yeah, I think the dialogue perhaps isn't quite there.

1183
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:56.219
However, we are now heading into the very best scene of Star Trek

1184
00:52:56.219 --> 00:52:56.579
ever.

1185
00:52:56.639 --> 00:53:00.239
The culmination of all of this romantic madness.

1186
00:53:02.219 --> 00:53:04.860
The way it's paced.

1187
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:06.059
The dialogue here.

1188
00:53:06.179 --> 00:53:07.440
Yeah, yeah.

1189
00:53:07.500 --> 00:53:11.219
And again, it's absolutely doing the cliches.

1190
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:14.639
Like, it's the scene, you know, the scene where they fight, and

1191
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.039
they're still using the fighting tone of voice when they start

1192
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:20.099
talking about kissing one another, and then they kiss one another

1193
00:53:20.099 --> 00:53:22.920
absolutely done a 100 times, but here it is in Star Trek.

1194
00:53:22.980 --> 00:53:24.900
Oh, Dominion Clang.

1195
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:25.320
There you go.

1196
00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:29.880
Well, it's possible.

1197
00:53:29.940 --> 00:53:30.900
Well, then who needs dinner?

1198
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:32.400
Just get it on with.

1199
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:33.420
I kiss you right now.

1200
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:35.159
Why don't you?

1201
00:53:35.219 --> 00:53:36.900
And then the music.

1202
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:39.539
Yes, exactly.

1203
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.519
And I love the friend who drops his tray.

1204
00:53:44.579 --> 00:53:49.800
He's so shocked That funky looking man next to taxi.

1205
00:53:49.860 --> 00:53:51.900
He clutches his chest like, oh.

1206
00:53:51.900 --> 00:53:54.179
What's going on?

1207
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:55.260
He's awesome, isn't he?

1208
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:57.599
The look on Dax's face.

1209
00:53:57.599 --> 00:53:58.619
I know, you're right.

1210
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:00.900
She is going straight up to Ops, isn't she?

1211
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:05.460
You'll never guess what I just saw. promenade.

1212
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:09.539
So you've told the story before where like a whole heap of latex

1213
00:54:09.539 --> 00:54:10.139
comes away.

1214
00:54:11.460 --> 00:54:13.380
The end of the keys.

1215
00:54:14.099 --> 00:54:19.079
Apparently it ripped away from his mouth and she had like rubbery

1216
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.260
eggy smelling latex all over.

1217
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:28.139
She said we got over the kiss very quickly because it was the most

1218
00:54:28.139 --> 00:54:30.239
unromantic kiss you could ever have.

1219
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:31.440
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1220
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:33.659
Oh, it's perfect.

1221
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:34.739
Yes.

1222
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:35.579
Yep.

1223
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:41.219
So in a way, you kind of want, you know, like we do have to have a

1224
00:54:41.219 --> 00:54:44.400
final seed to make sure that everything's okay with Vic, after Vic

1225
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:48.840
you know, that Vic and Odo are okay after that.

1226
00:54:48.900 --> 00:54:53.039
And he hasn't been back and like everyone's been telling about

1227
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:53.940
here, he's back.

1228
00:54:53.940 --> 00:54:57.420
And look, he's already saying, who knows how long it'll last.

1229
00:54:57.780 --> 00:54:59.340
So good.

1230
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:03.539
Although, it's really good, isn't it?

1231
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:04.980
Punching.

1232
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:05.699
Yeah, yeah.

1233
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:10.199
And then, and then we, we kind of break the 4th wall in a sense

1234
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:15.179
because this is the TV show within the TV show where he says, can

1235
00:55:15.179 --> 00:55:20.099
you just leave it running so that I can sing my final number in

1236
00:55:20.099 --> 00:55:22.199
this episode of Deep Space 9.

1237
00:55:22.260 --> 00:55:27.420
Like he leaves, and he lets Jimmy Darren do the reprise of Come

1238
00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:32.219
Fly with me from before, after he leaves, and the only reason it

1239
00:55:32.219 --> 00:55:34.559
is, is so that we can end the episode with it.

1240
00:55:34.619 --> 00:55:37.320
And I just think that's absolutely great, you know.

1241
00:55:37.380 --> 00:55:38.699
He's us at that point.

1242
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:40.019
He goes, I feel like singing.

1243
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:40.860
Yes.

1244
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:41.699
So do I, Nathan.

1245
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:42.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1246
00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:45.179
I'm fly with me.

1247
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:46.679
I won't do it.

1248
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:51.420
Oh, and then you've got the song right over the shot on the

1249
00:55:51.420 --> 00:55:54.000
station. revolving at the end. exactly.

1250
00:55:54.059 --> 00:55:55.139
It's so wild.

1251
00:55:55.260 --> 00:55:55.920
I love it.

1252
00:55:55.980 --> 00:55:57.599
Yeah, you're right.

1253
00:55:57.659 --> 00:55:58.920
It works as a romance.

1254
00:55:58.980 --> 00:56:00.059
It works as a musical.

1255
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.039
It works as a character episode.

1256
00:56:02.099 --> 00:56:02.820
Yep.

1257
00:56:02.820 --> 00:56:04.500
And it's the rarest of things.

1258
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:07.739
It's a 90s trick that's paying off a character arc.

1259
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:08.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1260
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:10.860
No, it's really good. really great.

1261
00:56:10.980 --> 00:56:12.900
I, um, I just say I was going to do this.

1262
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:16.079
I'm going to quickly mention because I, in a moment of sort of

1263
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:19.619
torture, my other romance, aside from you, is obviously with my

1264
00:56:19.619 --> 00:56:20.159
other heart.

1265
00:56:20.340 --> 00:56:24.719
I'll give him some occasional attention when I'm not talking to

1266
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:24.900
you.

1267
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:30.900
I decided to torture him and make him watch this episode, lying

1268
00:56:30.900 --> 00:56:33.780
saying to him that it was the only possible time I could watch it

1269
00:56:33.780 --> 00:56:38.519
and he was like, oh, okay. and these 2 reservations were, as long

1270
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:41.400
as it isn't set in the 50s and there's no songs.

1271
00:56:41.460 --> 00:56:43.199
I went, you're fine.

1272
00:56:43.260 --> 00:56:43.860
You're fine.

1273
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:45.480
And it started.

1274
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:48.420
Don't find yourself somebody.

1275
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:49.559
He went, oh, God.

1276
00:56:49.619 --> 00:56:51.119
He went, you knew.

1277
00:56:51.179 --> 00:56:52.500
He looked at me, you went, you knew.

1278
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:54.119
I said, you promise you'd watch this now.

1279
00:56:54.179 --> 00:56:55.199
I said I've got to watch it.

1280
00:56:55.320 --> 00:57:00.480
First 10 minutes he was whinging and complaining and, you know, you

1281
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:01.559
know what a square is.

1282
00:57:01.619 --> 00:57:04.320
Yeah, it's one side of a cube going, oh, God, you know.

1283
00:57:04.380 --> 00:57:07.500
I actually really love that line. throwing his eyes at every

1284
00:57:07.500 --> 00:57:08.159
single joke.

1285
00:57:08.219 --> 00:57:12.239
And then I realised he'd just sort of shut up about a 3rd into the

1286
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:17.280
episode. aside from a few horrible comments about Odo's makeup.

1287
00:57:17.340 --> 00:57:23.039
And then I realised sort of as the comic mishappenings are going

1288
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:25.800
on, he started to get a bit suspenseful.

1289
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:28.920
And then at the end, when the Ferengi drops the tray, he was

1290
00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:29.219
laughing.

1291
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:31.019
It totally won him over.

1292
00:57:31.019 --> 00:57:33.179
And then, of course, he went, oh, that was terrible.

1293
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:37.320
I went, you enjoyed that and he just gave me a look which said

1294
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:37.800
everything.

1295
00:57:37.860 --> 00:57:38.760
Yeah.

1296
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:43.739
He went from a from a disbeliever to a lover in 45 minutes.

1297
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:46.139
Yeah, well, it'll do that to you, I think.

1298
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:49.440
I mean, the last episode he watched was Justice with us.

1299
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:50.820
Yeah, that's true.

1300
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:52.260
It's nearly as good.

1301
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:02.940
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

1302
00:58:02.940 --> 00:58:04.260
work out where we're going next.

1303
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:12.000
As usual, you've chosen a hit, an uncontroversial hit, and it's my

1304
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.360
turn to bring us back down to earth with something mediocre.

1305
00:58:15.420 --> 00:58:17.880
And so inevitably.

1306
00:58:17.940 --> 00:58:22.980
And so what I've decided, I've taken a look at our coverage page

1307
00:58:22.980 --> 00:58:32.280
on the website and it says that we have currently covered 14.68% of

1308
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:35.460
the episodes of Star Trek that exist.

1309
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:38.579
And then...

1310
00:58:38.579 --> 00:58:40.320
But again, to the year, we'll hit one fifth.

1311
00:58:40.380 --> 00:58:43.679
Or maybe, maybe, probably not.

1312
00:58:43.739 --> 00:58:44.760
Well, you'll hit a six.

1313
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:46.199
Probably. next year.

1314
00:58:46.260 --> 00:58:46.860
Yeah, yeah.

1315
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:48.659
We're making good headway, though.

1316
00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:50.820
We are in good headway. a lot to do.

1317
00:58:51.059 --> 00:58:57.900
There are, however, 6 series where we've done less than that

1318
00:58:57.900 --> 00:59:00.719
number as a percentage of episodes.

1319
00:59:00.780 --> 00:59:03.900
Oh, wait, D-Space 9 is not on that list.

1320
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:09.659
Would you believe that Deep Space 9 is the lowest one of the list

1321
00:59:09.659 --> 00:59:14.340
of ones that we have done more than average of?

1322
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:16.980
So the average is 14.68.

1323
00:59:17.219 --> 00:59:22.559
Deep Space 9, and I may not be including this episode, I'm not

1324
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:23.340
exactly sure.

1325
00:59:23.460 --> 00:59:28.199
Deep Space 9 is 15.03.

1326
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:33.420
We've done 26 episodes as far as the coverage page is concerned

1327
00:59:33.420 --> 00:59:33.780
today.

1328
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:36.059
It may actually be more if we include this one.

1329
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:36.960
I not exactly sure.

1330
00:59:37.019 --> 00:59:43.139
And so, and so those seasons are Discovery, which we've done the

1331
00:59:43.139 --> 00:59:50.639
least at 12.31, then prodigy, enterprise, Picard, Next Generation

1332
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:51.719
and Voyager.

1333
00:59:51.780 --> 00:59:54.599
And so I'm going to choose one of them.

1334
00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:57.780
You can't really determine the quality from that list.

1335
00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:58.559
No, we can't.

1336
00:59:58.619 --> 00:59:59.159
It could be good.

1337
00:59:59.219 --> 01:00:00.840
It could go either way.

1338
01:00:00.900 --> 01:00:04.199
There's very probably mediocre.

1339
01:00:04.260 --> 01:00:05.340
Mediocre.

1340
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.159
All right, I am going to give it a roll.

1341
01:00:08.579 --> 01:00:16.199
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is one small step. season

1342
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:17.460
six, episode eight.

1343
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:19.860
Yes, very boring.

1344
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.019
How boring do you wanna go?

1345
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:25.619
It's off format, isn't it?

1346
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:29.820
It's a little bit different from normal. space shuttles going up

1347
01:00:29.820 --> 01:00:30.300
or something.

1348
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:34.320
Well, I mean, we kind of did that at the end of series 2 of

1349
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:34.800
Picard.

1350
01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:35.940
Yes.

1351
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:36.900
Yeah, yeah.

1352
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:38.099
I think that is a bit boring.

1353
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:40.380
I think it's the guy from Seinfeld, isn't it?

1354
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:41.340
the astronaut in there.

1355
01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:42.719
We've got to give away to a chance.

1356
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:43.679
Coming after his way.

1357
01:00:43.739 --> 01:00:44.400
It's quite difficult.

1358
01:00:44.460 --> 01:00:45.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1359
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:48.059
Okay.

1360
01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:52.679
Your Random Star Trek voyager episode is the fight.

1361
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:55.860
Season five, episode 19.

1362
01:00:55.980 --> 01:00:58.559
We haven't done a Chakotay episode, yeah.

1363
01:00:58.619 --> 01:01:00.179
You know?

1364
01:01:00.179 --> 01:01:02.460
And is he boxing?

1365
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:05.099
Oh, my God.

1366
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:06.239
Booth be's in it.

1367
01:01:06.300 --> 01:01:08.880
It's part of the trilogy of terror with coarse oblivion.

1368
01:01:08.940 --> 01:01:12.780
It's course oblivion, the Phi, and the disease, the Harry King.

1369
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:13.500
Oh my goodness.

1370
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:15.659
Oh, it is tempting.

1371
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:19.739
It would knock out another dismal episode of Orger and leave us

1372
01:01:19.739 --> 01:01:24.179
more room in the remaining 85% of untitled Star Trek for good

1373
01:01:24.179 --> 01:01:24.420
ones.

1374
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:28.260
I think we probably have overdosed on the good ones just as a

1375
01:01:28.260 --> 01:01:30.539
result of our process.

1376
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:33.239
We may have to...

1377
01:01:33.300 --> 01:01:35.039
We've done some pretty bad ones as well.

1378
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:36.960
What is the average?

1379
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:38.219
We've good to bad to boys.

1380
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:39.659
It's impossible to tell.

1381
01:01:39.780 --> 01:01:41.280
I'm going to try one more.

1382
01:01:41.340 --> 01:01:45.780
Okay So this...

1383
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:46.500
No.

1384
01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:51.900
Actually, this is actually a possible good one, but it is part two

1385
01:01:51.900 --> 01:01:56.519
so it would involve watching 2 episodes, but they would be 2

1386
01:01:56.519 --> 01:02:02.099
episodes of Star Trek Prodigy, and it's season one, episode 20

1387
01:02:02.099 --> 01:02:03.599
Supernova part two.

1388
01:02:03.659 --> 01:02:07.739
So we would be watching Supernova part one and part two, which is

1389
01:02:07.739 --> 01:02:11.039
the series one finale, the two-part finale.

1390
01:02:11.340 --> 01:02:14.460
We've just done the series 2 opener, haven't we?

1391
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:18.119
So in typical you and me style doing things backwards.

1392
01:02:18.179 --> 01:02:20.760
We go back and do the finale.

1393
01:02:20.820 --> 01:02:21.239
What do you think?

1394
01:02:21.300 --> 01:02:25.320
I mean, still the length of a normal 90s strike episode.

1395
01:02:25.380 --> 01:02:26.460
Yeah, that's true.

1396
01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:27.719
That's true, and it is fun.

1397
01:02:27.900 --> 01:02:33.840
I mean, we were well ahead on prodigy and prodigy dropped down

1398
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:37.500
below the average because they dropped a whole 20 extra episodes

1399
01:02:37.500 --> 01:02:39.420
on us in one day.

1400
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:40.380
What do you think?

1401
01:02:41.099 --> 01:02:42.059
Let's do it.

1402
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:45.719
But what I'm going to do is a bit of homework because I remember

1403
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:49.260
really loving the pilot for prodigy.

1404
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:52.380
So I'm going to watch that 1st episode again.

1405
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:54.659
That's a 2 or it's a double length one, isn't it?

1406
01:02:54.780 --> 01:02:55.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1407
01:02:55.380 --> 01:02:58.320
I'm going to watch that again and see where we started in that 1st

1408
01:02:58.320 --> 01:02:58.800
season.

1409
01:02:58.860 --> 01:03:02.940
Then see where we end and see if that provokes some conversation.

1410
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:04.860
Okay, that's a great idea.

1411
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:07.260
I think it goes on a hell of a journey in that 1st year.

1412
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:08.519
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1413
01:03:08.579 --> 01:03:11.820
It's a show that's absolutely not afraid to change its premise in

1414
01:03:11.820 --> 01:03:15.420
all sorts of interesting ways, and it definitely does set us up

1415
01:03:15.420 --> 01:03:18.780
with a new status quo for series 2, which we did see reasonably

1416
01:03:18.780 --> 01:03:19.260
recently.

1417
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:20.940
So I reckon we go for it.

1418
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:21.719
What do you reckon?

1419
01:03:21.780 --> 01:03:24.900
And Prodigy also is a beautiful looking television show.

1420
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:25.739
It really is.

1421
01:03:25.739 --> 01:03:28.440
Not quite as beautiful as Lenar Visitor Singing Fever.

1422
01:03:28.500 --> 01:03:30.719
No, pretty beautiful. nearly as beautiful.

1423
01:03:38.099 --> 01:03:42.000
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1424
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:46.079
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project

1425
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:48.719
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1426
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:49.559
media accounts.

1427
01:03:49.619 --> 01:03:53.519
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1428
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:55.380
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1429
01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:59.699
This episode was recorded on the 8th of October 2024 and released

1430
01:03:59.699 --> 01:04:01.260
on the 18th of October.

1431
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:05.820
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Prodigy, Supernova Part one

1432
01:04:05.820 --> 01:04:07.739
and Supernova Part 2.

1433
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:27.659
Yeah, I reckon.

1434
01:04:27.780 --> 01:04:29.579
I reckon, I think we said all the things.

1435
01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:32.099
I mean, if we wanna say more, we can say it in the tag.

1436
01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:34.679
No, that was so good.

1437
01:04:34.739 --> 01:04:36.000
Oh my goodness.

1438
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:39.599
Yeah, like I thought it was, like, I thought I would like it

1439
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:42.059
because it is just the sort of thing that I normally like, you

1440
01:04:42.059 --> 01:04:48.539
know, like, uh, going off topic doing another genre, romances, you

1441
01:04:48.539 --> 01:04:53.400
know, and it, um, and it, like I said.

1442
01:04:53.699 --> 01:04:54.900
It's so much better than I thought.

1443
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:59.340
Absolute example of, if you do the legwork with these characters

1444
01:04:59.340 --> 01:05:04.019
in all those early seasons, the playoffs are...

1445
01:05:04.139 --> 01:05:08.340
Well, it's not even that it's that they don't drop things like

1446
01:05:08.340 --> 01:05:10.739
they are making it up as they go along.

1447
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:21.059
Like, absolutely, they're doing that, but they, um, They Like they

1448
01:05:21.059 --> 01:05:23.159
pick things up and they follow them up.

1449
01:05:23.219 --> 01:05:25.739
Not everything, you know, there are things, big things that happen

1450
01:05:25.739 --> 01:05:31.320
in the show that it drops, but, um, I don't know.

1451
01:05:31.380 --> 01:05:32.820
It's, I just think.

1452
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:38.340
I just think it was much, much, much better than I expected much

1453
01:05:38.340 --> 01:05:39.300
better than I remembered.

1454
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:43.079
I think I think they're, like, as they do, as DSM goes along, you

1455
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:47.820
are literally watching an education of how to make television

1456
01:05:47.820 --> 01:05:48.300
aren't you?

1457
01:05:48.300 --> 01:05:50.039
From that 1st season to the last.

1458
01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:53.880
And it's not even perfect in the last season. is very, very good.

1459
01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:58.980
But they sort of learn what works. for the most part.

1460
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:02.699
You go, right, let's let's do more of that. and throw away some of

1461
01:06:02.699 --> 01:06:03.000
those.

1462
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:08.219
Well, when Battlestacking was on, like Ronald DeMour had a podcast

1463
01:06:08.219 --> 01:06:11.340
which he, where he would talk about the creative decisions that

1464
01:06:11.340 --> 01:06:11.940
he'd made.

1465
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:14.519
And so, and I remember listening to that podcast really

1466
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:18.300
irregularly and getting a real sense of them in the writer's room

1467
01:06:18.300 --> 01:06:25.199
discovering things, by watching the show, and then, you know, and

1468
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:28.739
then writing those things into the show, and clearly that's how

1469
01:06:28.739 --> 01:06:31.920
you know, he works and how Ira Stephen Bear works and stuff.

1470
01:06:31.980 --> 01:06:36.480
Well, you saw it in the documentary when they redid the rise

1471
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:36.780
room.

1472
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:38.579
They got them all together. you watch that?

1473
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:39.420
No, no.

1474
01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:44.099
Oh, so they literally get together and pitch...

1475
01:06:44.099 --> 01:06:45.420
Series eight, episode one.

1476
01:06:45.420 --> 01:06:46.139
Yeah.

1477
01:06:46.139 --> 01:06:51.000
Um, in like a, in an afternoon and it's so great and they're not

1478
01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:53.039
sort of got this big whiteboard and they're doing it exactly how

1479
01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:55.440
they used to do it with lots of ideas and they're rubbing things

1480
01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:58.199
out and they're going, oh, no, wait. we did that before and

1481
01:06:58.199 --> 01:06:59.159
they're making links.

1482
01:06:59.219 --> 01:07:03.300
And then at the end of the afternoon they go, oh, can we come back

1483
01:07:03.300 --> 01:07:03.659
tomorrow?

1484
01:07:03.780 --> 01:07:05.400
They want to go.

1485
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:07.380
Let's make it.

1486
01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:08.460
Did they get Avery back?

1487
01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:09.599
No.

1488
01:07:09.659 --> 01:07:10.800
Yes.

1489
01:07:10.860 --> 01:07:17.219
So the 1st episode is all about like, he's not there. and at the

1490
01:07:17.219 --> 01:07:18.300
end of the 1st episode.

1491
01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:22.260
Yeah, in like a podcast, yeah.

1492
01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:24.300
At a moment of extreme drama.

1493
01:07:24.420 --> 01:07:28.320
But I think that's the thing, you know, the thing that Kurtzman

1494
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:30.780
says, which I'd suspected was the case.

1495
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:33.659
I think I said that before I heard it, that they don't want to

1496
01:07:33.659 --> 01:07:35.940
ruin the end of Deep Space 9.

1497
01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:36.599
So.

1498
01:07:37.739 --> 01:07:39.780
All right, shall we do the thing?