WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-01 at 19:50:27 1 00:00:22.019 --> 00:00:25.019 Hey, Joe. Hi. 2 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:29.940 So, this week, we're back with my first love, which is Star Trek 3 00:00:29.940 --> 00:00:33.899 The Next Generation, and we are in series six. 4 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:38.039 It's episode nine, The Quality of Life. 5 00:00:38.100 --> 00:00:40.979 And I'm going to put my cards right on the table. 6 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:44.399 I thought that this was absolutely magnificent. 7 00:00:44.460 --> 00:00:50.159 Like not Darmok level magnificent, but just an absolutely solid 8 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:53.880 episode of Star Trek that does the sort of things that I want Star 9 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:54.960 Trek to do, I think. 10 00:00:55.619 --> 00:00:58.560 I'm going to put my cars on the table. 11 00:00:58.619 --> 00:01:02.280 I knew you were going to think this was magnificent and I sent it 12 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:06.540 out to you in a message because, well, how far into this are we 13 00:01:06.540 --> 00:01:06.780 now? 14 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:08.459 120 episodes. 15 00:01:08.459 --> 00:01:09.480 I'm 27 this is. 16 00:01:09.540 --> 00:01:13.500 You know, I've started to get a grasp of the source Star Trek that 17 00:01:13.500 --> 00:01:13.980 you like. 18 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:18.180 And that's Star Trek that has something to say has something to 19 00:01:18.180 --> 00:01:21.719 say about sort of strange new lives and new civilisations, you 20 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:26.219 know, and how you quantify a life form and all of these sorts of 21 00:01:26.219 --> 00:01:26.519 things. 22 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:33.480 I was a little bit bored watching this, and I think I've come to a 23 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:38.700 bit of a conclusion about Star Trek and me, and that is, I don't 24 00:01:38.700 --> 00:01:42.359 really like Star Trek when it's doing Star Trek, because I 25 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:46.200 acknowledge this is really great Star Trek, and it's saying 26 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:50.640 something in a way that only Star Trek uniquely can in science 27 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:53.700 fiction and it's doing it kind of well as well. 28 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:57.180 I do think there were great moments in this, but... 29 00:01:57.180 --> 00:02:02.459 I don't really care about strange new worlds and new civilisations 30 00:02:02.459 --> 00:02:03.959 and all of this. 31 00:02:04.019 --> 00:02:07.620 I don't really care about androids doing pro rights for other 32 00:02:07.620 --> 00:02:08.219 robots. 33 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:11.400 None of that stuff, you know, that's that belongs to Albert in far 34 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:13.560 beyond the stars, you know, robots. 35 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:18.360 Whereas I think I prefer my Star Trek a little more cynical than 36 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:19.860 this, a little more muscular. 37 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:27.000 Um, a little more thick with incident and and a little, because 38 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:31.259 like this was very A to B to see TNG plotting. 39 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:36.659 And this was very laxly directed, I thought, for the most part 40 00:02:36.659 --> 00:02:38.400 even though it was Jonathan Frakes. 41 00:02:38.460 --> 00:02:45.120 So one of the things that strikes me is that last week we did an 42 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:50.819 episode that was reasonably similar, which was Voyager's Death 43 00:02:50.819 --> 00:02:51.300 Wish. 44 00:02:51.300 --> 00:02:54.300 In that, it was very Star Trek. 45 00:02:54.419 --> 00:03:01.740 It had a moral question that it posed and discussed, and for that 46 00:03:01.740 --> 00:03:08.219 I actually thought it was worse than you thought it was. 47 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:10.800 I just thought that was a better bit of television. 48 00:03:10.860 --> 00:03:11.759 It was Pacio. 49 00:03:11.819 --> 00:03:12.719 It was funnier. 50 00:03:12.780 --> 00:03:16.560 I thought it was better written. deaf wish than this. 51 00:03:16.620 --> 00:03:20.759 You see, I think because Death Wish helps itself to kind of the 52 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:22.139 magic thing. 53 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:25.860 You know, that cheats a little bit. 54 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:30.840 And I did think it was less clever than it thought it was. 55 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:37.379 What I really liked here was that this version of Star Trek, unlike 56 00:03:37.379 --> 00:03:42.840 Voyager, is still the competent people solving space problems 57 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:47.159 thing rather than competent people or God knows what kind of 58 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:50.219 people in the Delta Quadrant trying to get home. 59 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.159 And so this is them doing their normal job. 60 00:03:53.219 --> 00:03:56.520 Like they're doing something that's really kind of bureaucratic 61 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:59.819 which is they're deciding whether to approve this new mining 62 00:03:59.819 --> 00:04:00.840 technology. 63 00:04:01.020 --> 00:04:05.819 Like all of that stuff is so Star Trek. 64 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:07.680 The 1st scene. 65 00:04:07.740 --> 00:04:12.960 Establish colony, planet, latex people, scientific problem. 66 00:04:13.020 --> 00:04:16.560 I was like, this couldn't be more cliche TNG if you tried. 67 00:04:16.620 --> 00:04:20.399 And it very quickly becomes uncliche to energy. 68 00:04:20.459 --> 00:04:23.759 But that establishing scene, I was like, oh, boy. 69 00:04:23.819 --> 00:04:27.779 Well, it's exactly the thing that Lower Decks is making fun of 70 00:04:27.779 --> 00:04:29.399 that version of Star Trek. 71 00:04:29.459 --> 00:04:32.100 So that's something that I really love. 72 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:36.720 And I love Voyager as well, but this is kind of my 1st love, and 73 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:41.220 this is doing something sort of very purely Star Trek. 74 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:45.600 And I acknowledge that it's very talky, that it's very slow. 75 00:04:45.660 --> 00:04:49.500 It really, really lacks any urgency. 76 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:54.779 There's the whole scene where Picard and Geordie are trapped on 77 00:04:54.779 --> 00:04:59.759 board the station, and there's radiation flooding in, and somehow 78 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:04.439 I was like, that manages to be really not very exciting. 79 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:08.339 I know, you're going to love. 80 00:05:08.459 --> 00:05:10.860 You're absolutely going to love the moment where they give the 81 00:05:10.860 --> 00:05:15.120 execomp the choice to go in and sacrifice itself or not. 82 00:05:15.180 --> 00:05:17.699 And I was just like, oh, this is so fucking tweed. 83 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:21.420 Of course that cutesy wootsy little robot is going to go in there 84 00:05:21.420 --> 00:05:22.620 and do the right thing. 85 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:23.519 This is Star Trek. 86 00:05:23.579 --> 00:05:27.480 Well, except, so, and that's the other thing. 87 00:05:27.540 --> 00:05:33.000 Two weeks ago, we had peanut hamper and all throughout this. 88 00:05:33.060 --> 00:05:38.279 And even in the lead up, yeah, even in the lead up, to us watching 89 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:43.019 this, I began to kick myself about peanut hamper because the 90 00:05:43.019 --> 00:05:47.399 conception is, obviously, and I said this at the time, making an 91 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:51.180 exocomp, a member of Starfleet, is absolutely the next kind of 92 00:05:51.180 --> 00:05:51.779 progression. 93 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:52.740 Do you know what I mean? 94 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:56.040 It's like, well, a Klingon becomes a member of Starfleet, a 95 00:05:56.040 --> 00:06:00.420 Ferengi becomes a member of Starfleet, and then, obviously, an 96 00:06:00.420 --> 00:06:02.579 Exocom becomes a member of Starfleet. 97 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:05.879 But the trouble with that is that it's established that the 98 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:10.439 exocomps will burn out their own control circuitry in order to 99 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.920 avoid going and sacrificing their life in some way. 100 00:06:13.980 --> 00:06:18.360 And so that's what you have peanut hamper being confronted with. 101 00:06:18.420 --> 00:06:20.220 She's given the decision. 102 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:22.560 Do I sacrifice my life to save these people? 103 00:06:22.620 --> 00:06:27.899 And she says, uh, yeah, no, sucks to be organic. you know, smell 104 00:06:27.899 --> 00:06:30.480 you later, which is so funny and so brilliant. 105 00:06:30.540 --> 00:06:33.959 And it, why are we so hard on a robot that makes our choice? 106 00:06:34.019 --> 00:06:35.279 Even a person made that short. 107 00:06:35.339 --> 00:06:36.839 We'd be like, well, fair enough. yeah. 108 00:06:36.899 --> 00:06:39.540 Yeah, but the people don't make that choice on Star Trek. 109 00:06:39.660 --> 00:06:40.379 They were so boring. 110 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:42.240 No, they'd all sacrifice themselves. yeah. 111 00:06:42.300 --> 00:06:43.319 They're very noble. 112 00:06:43.379 --> 00:06:48.060 So that is kind of fun because the situation that peanut hamper 113 00:06:48.060 --> 00:06:52.800 gets placed in is the situation that we see, the exo-coms in this 114 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:56.759 episode having to deal with and somehow I had stupidly never made 115 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:58.800 that link, I think that's pretty great. 116 00:06:58.860 --> 00:07:02.879 But I would like to say that peanut hamper was also, you know, like 117 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:06.360 scathingly insulting to everybody and witty and had huge 118 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:10.439 personality and was just one and defied Star Trek conventions in 119 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:14.339 so many ways that made that episode such a joy to Watts. 120 00:07:14.459 --> 00:07:20.040 Whereas this little sort of stubby robot, clearly on a wire. going 121 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:21.600 up and down the Jeffrey St. 122 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:22.560 Nomad tradition. 123 00:07:22.620 --> 00:07:24.240 That's right. 124 00:07:24.300 --> 00:07:27.420 You could almost all see it wobbling, can't you, when it starts 125 00:07:27.420 --> 00:07:28.379 rising in the air. 126 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:30.660 Oh, I don't know. 127 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:32.399 It was a bit twee for me. 128 00:07:32.459 --> 00:07:34.319 And I get it. 129 00:07:34.379 --> 00:07:37.139 And there is this whole sort of subgenre or trek, there is very 130 00:07:37.139 --> 00:07:40.079 twee and has these sort of morals about life. 131 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:45.300 And I think it is absolutely right that the majority of Star Trek 132 00:07:45.300 --> 00:07:46.259 fans love that stuff. 133 00:07:46.980 --> 00:07:49.800 But I watched Chain of Command after this. 134 00:07:49.860 --> 00:07:50.459 Okay. 135 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:55.379 And I was just immediately sat up in my chair at Jellico being a 136 00:07:55.379 --> 00:07:59.160 total bastard to me. on the bridge, them going on this dangerous 137 00:07:59.160 --> 00:07:59.639 mission. 138 00:07:59.699 --> 00:08:01.920 It was the politicking with the Cardassians. 139 00:08:01.980 --> 00:08:07.079 It was just so packed with plot substance, you know, and and just 140 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:10.980 guts to it that I was like, yeah, that's the sort of Star Trek I 141 00:08:10.980 --> 00:08:11.339 like. 142 00:08:11.339 --> 00:08:13.139 So I acknowledge this is good. 143 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:16.199 I'm not sure it's as well executed as it could be. 144 00:08:16.259 --> 00:08:19.560 But I acknowledge this is good telly and good Star Trek. 145 00:08:19.620 --> 00:08:21.899 Oh, I just don't think it's for me. 146 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:23.459 And I said, unfortunate place to start. 147 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:27.000 But you can tell me all the wonderful things about it. 148 00:08:27.060 --> 00:08:27.660 I will, I will. 149 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:30.959 But I have to acknowledge that every criticism that you level at 150 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:31.560 it is true. 151 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:38.759 And, you know, as someone who thinks that TV should be visual, This 152 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:40.080 is very stately. 153 00:08:40.139 --> 00:08:44.340 It's people standing around in standing sets, plus that very small 154 00:08:44.340 --> 00:08:48.659 extra green set, which is not very good and, you know. 155 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:50.580 So there was one point, right? 156 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.220 There was one point where I noticed, and it was the only point 157 00:08:53.220 --> 00:08:56.460 where the direction really stood out to me, was when he put the 158 00:08:56.460 --> 00:09:00.360 camera right at the back of the engineering set, and he sort of 159 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.360 slowly panning through it, Data's in this sort of cubby hole right 160 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:07.799 over there, and he sort of heading in as Dr. Beverly comes to 161 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:08.159 visit him. 162 00:09:08.220 --> 00:09:10.740 And I was like, my God, it was the only thing I noticed. 163 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:13.080 And you know me, I always noticed the direction. 164 00:09:13.139 --> 00:09:13.559 Yeah. 165 00:09:13.620 --> 00:09:16.799 Yeah, I mean, it's sort of well done, but it's not particularly 166 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:19.379 flashy or very interesting and it's visually not very 167 00:09:19.379 --> 00:09:19.799 interesting. 168 00:09:19.860 --> 00:09:24.120 Before we go in, though, I do want to say one thing, which is that 169 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:29.519 I think that of the episodes of Star Trek, the Next Generation 170 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:34.679 we've watched, this is Gates' best performance. 171 00:09:34.740 --> 00:09:36.720 Oh, by mild. 172 00:09:36.779 --> 00:09:40.500 That's included in the episodes that were about Dr. Beverly 173 00:09:40.500 --> 00:09:42.179 because even in Remembering Me, which we laughed. 174 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:45.360 And she had great moments, but she was still sort of staring off 175 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:48.120 camera, reciting the Techna Babble quite a bit and looking 176 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:48.840 uncomfortable. 177 00:09:48.899 --> 00:09:50.639 Boy, she's relaxed. 178 00:09:50.700 --> 00:09:54.059 She's having great fun in the 1st scene, telling all the guys 179 00:09:54.059 --> 00:09:54.419 well. 180 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:56.940 If you lose, you've got to cut all your beards off, you know. 181 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:00.480 I was like, who is this person in front of me, you know? 182 00:10:00.539 --> 00:10:02.279 I don't recognise her? 183 00:10:02.340 --> 00:10:03.840 Yeah, she was wonderful. 184 00:10:03.899 --> 00:10:07.440 But I thought there were some nice moments for a lot of the 185 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:08.100 regulars. 186 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:10.679 They are such a well-oiled machine at this point. 187 00:10:10.740 --> 00:10:14.759 And you can kind of put any shitty dialogue in their mouths and 188 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.580 you'll see the relaxed chemistry between all of them. 189 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:18.899 And it's there in space. 190 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:21.960 Yeah, this is the point at which they're really, really, you know 191 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:23.340 maximally relaxed. 192 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:25.740 I mean, the following year is not going to be particularly great. 193 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:29.159 Well, no, they're so relaxed at that and they stop writing as 194 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:29.399 well. 195 00:10:29.460 --> 00:10:30.960 So, like, yeah. 196 00:10:31.019 --> 00:10:34.200 But, you know, this is the version of Star Trek that I fell in 197 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:37.080 love with, and this is a particularly good example of that version 198 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:38.100 of Star Trek. 199 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:41.460 It is, as I said, not Dharmok level Star Trek, but it is pretty 200 00:10:41.460 --> 00:10:42.899 solid and pretty likeable. 201 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:45.960 And I'm very happy to be here watching it this evening. 202 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.340 I sort of stepped back from my opinion of this and started 203 00:10:50.340 --> 00:10:53.940 thinking, okay, so this was an enormous rate in success at this 204 00:10:53.940 --> 00:10:58.500 point where fans and non-fans were watching this together. 205 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:01.200 Can I see why that might be the case? 206 00:11:01.259 --> 00:11:04.740 And I was like, yeah, because you do have a strong ensemble of 207 00:11:04.740 --> 00:11:07.019 actors who are having great fun together. 208 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.960 It is tackling intelligent themes. 209 00:11:10.019 --> 00:11:14.220 It is working to a formula, which people like in television 210 00:11:14.220 --> 00:11:14.639 right? 211 00:11:14.700 --> 00:11:18.059 They like relaxing into a formula of a particular show where it's 212 00:11:18.059 --> 00:11:20.100 not going to stress you out too much watching it. 213 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:21.720 And it's competently made. 214 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.240 So yeah, I can absolutely see why this was working like 215 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:28.139 gangbusters for Berman pillar at the moment. 216 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.139 I'm just pleased DS9 was just around the corner. you know? 217 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:32.279 I think that's fair. 218 00:11:32.340 --> 00:11:35.759 I think that's absolutely fair All right, what do you think? 219 00:11:35.820 --> 00:11:36.299 Should we go in? 220 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:38.700 Let's play poker. 221 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:39.179 Come on. 222 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:39.899 All right. 223 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:41.100 I'll count it in. 224 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:46.379 Five, four, three, two, one. 225 00:11:46.500 --> 00:11:48.240 And we're off. 226 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:52.500 Now, this seems an important scene because it's the source of the 227 00:11:52.500 --> 00:11:56.399 Geordie La Forge Drake posting meme. 228 00:11:56.460 --> 00:12:00.899 And so we will see him both approving and disapproving of 229 00:12:00.899 --> 00:12:02.639 something, which is pretty awesome. 230 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:04.320 I think this... 231 00:12:04.379 --> 00:12:07.740 It's also one of the very few times where, like you say, something 232 00:12:07.740 --> 00:12:10.860 that's happening outside the television show is impacting the 233 00:12:10.860 --> 00:12:14.100 television show because Geordie LeFord obviously never has a beard 234 00:12:14.100 --> 00:12:18.120 usually, but LeVar Burton, Arsenal producers. getting married next 235 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:18.419 week. 236 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:21.840 I want my beard for my wedding and this is me at my best. 237 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:24.299 Can I please have the beers? 238 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:26.820 And they said, all right, we'll put in a scene. 239 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:28.980 So they've written the scene especially for his beard. 240 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:33.120 So he has a beard in the offspring, but not in the the episode 241 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:34.259 before or after that. 242 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:37.259 And he has this beard for a few episodes. 243 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:39.840 I think he looks as hot as ever. 244 00:12:39.899 --> 00:12:41.820 This is... 245 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:43.200 He should have kept it the whole time. 246 00:12:43.259 --> 00:12:44.940 There's Laval. ever looks. 247 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:46.139 He's stunning here. 248 00:12:46.259 --> 00:12:50.639 I mean, I'm still agonised on the loss of his beautiful eyes. 249 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:51.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 250 00:12:51.419 --> 00:12:53.639 In every scene, I'll see you in, but it's ridiculous. 251 00:12:53.700 --> 00:12:55.799 But yes, he looks really hot here. 252 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:58.559 And this scene is so great because there he is. 253 00:12:58.620 --> 00:13:00.120 Yes, he's approving. 254 00:13:00.179 --> 00:13:03.899 Um, so Beverly is so great in this scene. 255 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:05.340 She's really good. 256 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:08.700 She's got all these men wrapped around her finger. 257 00:13:09.539 --> 00:13:14.639 There is a kind of weird relationship between her and Riker, which 258 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:17.940 I really like, and again, it's mostly from the actors because no 259 00:13:17.940 --> 00:13:21.000 one's really consistently writing character stuff for anyone in 260 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:22.259 this show, really. 261 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:24.419 But they have... 262 00:13:24.419 --> 00:13:28.080 Dr. Beverly can remember when Odan was inside Riker and they had 263 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:28.740 it off that time. 264 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:29.100 Yeah. 265 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:30.960 Ever since then there's been a little spark. 266 00:13:31.019 --> 00:13:34.139 There is a little spark of chemistry, I think, between them. 267 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:38.159 Um, and she's absolutely playing them all because they're being 268 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:42.360 men and, and, you know, beards are a whatever, um, and she 269 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:45.539 compares it to like lipstick and nail polish and stuff. 270 00:13:45.539 --> 00:13:47.820 It says that it's just a lot. 271 00:13:48.059 --> 00:13:51.360 But then when she when she started talking about when she was a 272 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:54.360 brunette when she was 13, she couldn't die air back fast enough. 273 00:13:54.419 --> 00:13:56.220 I'm like, my God, she's talking like a real person. 274 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:57.179 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 275 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:59.580 I didn't know she was capable. 276 00:13:59.700 --> 00:14:03.059 The last time we saw this was when she was dancing with Data, a 277 00:14:03.059 --> 00:14:03.600 day of day. 278 00:14:03.659 --> 00:14:06.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. it's really good And she will come back and do 279 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:10.919 some more traditional Star Trek scenes with techno Babylon stuff 280 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:14.399 and it will still be as relaxed and likeable as she is in this 281 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:14.700 scene. 282 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:15.720 I think it's really good. 283 00:14:16.019 --> 00:14:17.580 Here we go. 284 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:19.200 No, I love all of this. 285 00:14:19.259 --> 00:14:22.320 And you know, I can see why the poker scenes, they did them again 286 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:25.379 and again and again, because it's just a chance for these 287 00:14:25.379 --> 00:14:29.100 wonderful actors to just sit around a table together and bask in 288 00:14:29.100 --> 00:14:29.580 their chemistry. 289 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:34.320 Because often the poker scenes do have something thematic to do 290 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:37.500 with the episode, but this one has nothing at all to do with it. 291 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:38.279 It really is. 292 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:40.440 It's just to excuse the bit. 293 00:14:40.500 --> 00:14:43.440 I mean, I mean, nowadays, a character would just have a beard one 294 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:45.000 week and you wouldn't even comment on it. 295 00:14:45.059 --> 00:14:45.720 That happened before. 296 00:14:45.779 --> 00:14:47.220 We don't need to comment on it. 297 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:49.019 So that show there. 298 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:51.419 Do you remember when, do you remember when, just go have that 299 00:14:51.419 --> 00:14:53.039 beard before he had his real beard? 300 00:14:53.100 --> 00:14:54.480 It was terrible. 301 00:14:54.720 --> 00:15:00.120 The shot, the exterior with the particle fountain with the orbital 302 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:05.279 station and stuff just looks like a lower decks scene to me. you 303 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:05.460 know. 304 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:08.039 It looks like a pin flying in space. 305 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:09.240 I mean, awesome. 306 00:15:09.299 --> 00:15:09.720 It looks great. 307 00:15:09.779 --> 00:15:13.679 So this is Ellen Bry, as Dr. Farrellon. 308 00:15:13.740 --> 00:15:17.820 She is our basically our only guest star this week. 309 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:19.440 I think she's pretty good. 310 00:15:19.500 --> 00:15:23.460 I don't know why these 2 are so angry at each other in this 311 00:15:23.460 --> 00:15:23.940 scene. 312 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:25.919 I don't quite get. 313 00:15:25.980 --> 00:15:30.059 They don't seem to quite work out what she's supposed to be like 314 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:30.659 realistic. 315 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:31.019 Yeah. 316 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:34.679 They do write Georgie as being an angry prick quite a lot. 317 00:15:34.740 --> 00:15:35.820 I know what that is. 318 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:36.539 Yeah, yeah. 319 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.539 Yeah, remember when he was angry at Leo Broms, when he was angry 320 00:15:39.539 --> 00:15:40.320 at Scotty? 321 00:15:40.379 --> 00:15:42.600 I mean, he just gets angry for no reason at all. 322 00:15:42.659 --> 00:15:44.220 I mean, he's got a very boring job. 323 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:45.000 I can understand. 324 00:15:45.059 --> 00:15:45.899 Maybe that's it. 325 00:15:45.899 --> 00:15:47.879 But I thought she was pretty good as well. 326 00:15:47.940 --> 00:15:50.700 And I thought, this is an actor that's come in, and I've got a 327 00:15:50.700 --> 00:15:53.340 quote from Jonathan Frakes on memory Alfred, who said he tried out 328 00:15:53.340 --> 00:15:57.419 all these actresses, who were just drowning in this hideous techno 329 00:15:57.419 --> 00:16:00.600 babble that she has to say, and she just came in and said it as if 330 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:01.620 that was her 2nd language. 331 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:02.519 Yeah. 332 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:04.620 So that's why she got the job and she is great. 333 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:07.740 She's kind of clipped and crisp and on it. 334 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:09.600 She's keeping pace with LeVar. 335 00:16:09.659 --> 00:16:12.960 Um, you know, if you can keep pace with Lavard and Tether Babble. 336 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:14.519 Yeah, well, you're doing something right. 337 00:16:14.580 --> 00:16:15.720 Yeah. 338 00:16:15.779 --> 00:16:20.039 But it isn't a very promising premise. you know, like we're 339 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:22.139 assessing this mining technology. 340 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:23.879 It's a very dull set, this as well. 341 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:25.980 Yeah, the set isn't very good, is it? 342 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:30.720 And it's tiny. it's so small Oh, a bit of hardheld camera work. 343 00:16:30.779 --> 00:16:32.159 Yeah, I didn't notice that the 1st time. 344 00:16:32.220 --> 00:16:35.159 It's sort of tilted, just a little camera around. 345 00:16:35.220 --> 00:16:38.639 She was doing something. falling overacting. 346 00:16:38.700 --> 00:16:41.820 Think about what you do with drones these days. 347 00:16:42.299 --> 00:16:45.720 Now, this object, this is going to appear. 348 00:16:45.779 --> 00:16:49.980 You know the thing with the, it's got 2 tubes of flashing lights 349 00:16:49.980 --> 00:16:50.399 in it. 350 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:53.460 It's a piece of equipment. 351 00:16:53.460 --> 00:16:59.279 That 1st appears in Star Trek 2, and it's visible in Star Trek 5 352 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:06.059 and it's in about like a bunch of Star Trek, the Next Generation 353 00:17:06.059 --> 00:17:07.799 episodes and some Voyager episodes. 354 00:17:07.859 --> 00:17:09.299 It's just out of shot. 355 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:09.960 Ill point it out. 356 00:17:10.019 --> 00:17:12.420 It plays a starring role and there it is. 357 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:14.759 There it is, those light tube things there. 358 00:17:14.819 --> 00:17:19.680 That piece of equipment is in every episode just about. 359 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:24.900 And they do put it in a lower decks episode as well. even though 360 00:17:24.900 --> 00:17:27.480 it's just a drawing, obviously, of that equipment. 361 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:32.460 Yeah, do you know, I say this to you a lot, but you know you're 362 00:17:32.460 --> 00:17:36.240 winning at life when you're cataloguing how many times, you know, a 363 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:40.079 piece of technology appears in a next generation episode. thing is 364 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:43.380 so visible and so definitely a Star Trek, the Next Generation 365 00:17:43.380 --> 00:17:43.740 thing. 366 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:45.299 I wonder if there's any TSLots. 367 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.240 We should keep an eye out parrot in order not in anything. 368 00:17:48.299 --> 00:17:49.200 I did a bit of research. 369 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:49.859 Oh, okay. 370 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:52.980 They've got their own thing they use all the time. 371 00:17:53.099 --> 00:17:59.099 It's in Data Law, subtly human, Retrospect, Pathfinder Inside 372 00:17:59.099 --> 00:17:59.460 Man. 373 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:01.440 And it's in an episode of Enterprise. 374 00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:02.579 It's in Cold Station 12. 375 00:18:02.940 --> 00:18:04.980 Oh, everything but... 376 00:18:04.980 --> 00:18:05.819 Everything's fine there. 377 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:06.420 It's not. 378 00:18:06.420 --> 00:18:09.779 Oh, look at him coming out of the string. 379 00:18:09.779 --> 00:18:10.859 On its string. 380 00:18:12.180 --> 00:18:16.079 It sort of wobbles like a barfell model worm, you know? 381 00:18:16.140 --> 00:18:19.920 Oh, nomad's alive, isn't he? 382 00:18:21.900 --> 00:18:26.220 He's got these little antennas that wibble out of his head as well 383 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:26.759 very cute. 384 00:18:26.819 --> 00:18:30.119 Don't you remember those antennas going alarmingly or ranked when 385 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:33.660 Peanut Hamper and Rowder were about to have... 386 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:35.579 I try to forget about that, if I'm honest. 387 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:36.180 But yeah. 388 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:37.859 Frank, you very much. 389 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:38.880 Yeah, the snocking. 390 00:18:38.940 --> 00:18:41.940 I think it's an incredibly good design, don't you? 391 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:45.359 I think it's really great I don't know how you say in a name. 392 00:18:45.420 --> 00:18:47.099 Is it Naran Shankar? 393 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:48.480 That's the Ry of that episode. 394 00:18:48.539 --> 00:18:49.619 Naran Shankar. 395 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:52.500 Um, said that she's, she, he? 396 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:57.720 Hey, they foresaw the exacomp as something a bit more functional 397 00:18:57.720 --> 00:18:58.140 you know? 398 00:18:58.259 --> 00:19:04.740 Um, and he thought that because it was such a such a cute design 399 00:19:04.740 --> 00:19:06.599 you know, that everyone would fall in love with. 400 00:19:06.660 --> 00:19:09.539 It's sort of, it does tell you where the episode's going. 401 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:10.500 Yeah, yeah. 402 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:13.319 Yeah, because you have feelings for it. 403 00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:14.700 I think that's the right idea. 404 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:18.059 If it had been, if it had been just a bit of equipment and there 405 00:19:18.059 --> 00:19:20.460 were times when they just decided, oh, it's going to be just bits 406 00:19:20.460 --> 00:19:23.039 of equipment that are sentient and we can't use it. 407 00:19:23.220 --> 00:19:24.240 But it might have been more surprising. 408 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:26.099 Yeah, it had just been a bit of equipment. 409 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:30.720 You know, you've got to have data prioritise its rights over 410 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.900 rescuing Geordie Picard. 411 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:36.900 And if they're just sort of toasters or whatever, you know, like 412 00:19:36.900 --> 00:19:39.539 we have to feel that they're cute, I think, and that's the right 413 00:19:39.539 --> 00:19:39.900 decision. 414 00:19:40.019 --> 00:19:43.140 That's why Peter Humper works so brilliantly, because obviously 415 00:19:43.140 --> 00:19:48.119 she is one of those very cute endcons and she's just a cub, isn't 416 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:48.299 she? 417 00:19:49.140 --> 00:19:54.539 So, no, Shaker becomes quite a big deal towards the end of Star 418 00:19:54.539 --> 00:19:55.680 Trek, the Next Generation. 419 00:19:55.740 --> 00:20:00.539 And so his 1st his 1st one is the 1st duty, which is co-written 420 00:20:00.539 --> 00:20:01.500 with Ronald D. Moore. 421 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:02.220 Fabulous. 422 00:20:02.220 --> 00:20:04.980 And he does the teleplay for face of the enemy. 423 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:08.099 But he does some duds as well. 424 00:20:08.220 --> 00:20:13.019 So he co-writes suspicions with Joe Manosky. 425 00:20:13.019 --> 00:20:16.019 Oh, I mean, I mean, that is terrible, but in a very, very funny 426 00:20:16.019 --> 00:20:16.440 way. 427 00:20:16.500 --> 00:20:18.480 He does great standard. 428 00:20:18.539 --> 00:20:23.039 Gambit, force of nature, homeward, preemptive strike, and Babel in 429 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:26.400 Deep Space 9, which we've already torn to pieces, obviously. 430 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:28.619 Oh, no, we haven't. 431 00:20:28.680 --> 00:20:29.099 Have we done it? 432 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:29.759 Have we done babel? 433 00:20:29.819 --> 00:20:30.000 No. 434 00:20:30.059 --> 00:20:31.079 We haven't done babel. 435 00:20:31.140 --> 00:20:32.700 No, that's the aphasia virus. 436 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:33.779 That's terrible. 437 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:34.980 And the quickening. 438 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:37.079 He does the quickening too, which is pretty good. 439 00:20:37.140 --> 00:20:38.099 Really? 440 00:20:38.099 --> 00:20:39.240 Yeah, that's a good episode. 441 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:41.160 And heroes and demons, which is not a good episode. 442 00:20:41.220 --> 00:20:46.619 So, um, So, I think, I think my problem is so. like, look, look at 443 00:20:46.619 --> 00:20:47.279 him holding that. 444 00:20:47.339 --> 00:20:48.539 Now, it's like he's holding a door. 445 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:49.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 446 00:20:49.259 --> 00:20:51.359 Oh, no, I know that's got life to it. 447 00:20:51.420 --> 00:20:51.960 Look at it. 448 00:20:52.019 --> 00:20:53.279 Take a little puppy. 449 00:20:53.339 --> 00:20:57.119 Even though the script has given me no indication at this point 450 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:00.779 that that is a cute little dog robot, but I mean, it just looks 451 00:21:00.779 --> 00:21:01.259 like... 452 00:21:01.259 --> 00:21:02.279 The design is giving you that. 453 00:21:02.339 --> 00:21:03.599 Yeah. 454 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:03.900 Yeah. 455 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:04.259 Yeah. 456 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.119 Well, I think that's good. 457 00:21:06.180 --> 00:21:08.579 Or it's just sort of like, oh, I want one, you know? 458 00:21:08.700 --> 00:21:10.619 Yeah, is that going to be in the shops at Christmas? 459 00:21:10.740 --> 00:21:11.640 I want it. 460 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:15.900 In fact, that's what's interesting, isn't it? 461 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:20.400 Because it's not quite life in the sense that data is life, and 462 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:25.019 I'm not quite sure, but it still has rights if it is alive. 463 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:26.759 And like all of that stuff. 464 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:30.539 You know, that, the moment towards the end of the episode where 465 00:21:30.539 --> 00:21:34.619 where he says to Picard, where Data says to Picard, you defended 466 00:21:34.619 --> 00:21:39.240 me in the season 2 episode measure of a man, and we're all kind of 467 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:41.880 going, oh my god, it's a continuity reference, that never 468 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:42.240 happens. 469 00:21:42.299 --> 00:21:46.200 But, you know, relitigating this stuff, that's what Star Trek 470 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:46.680 should do. 471 00:21:46.740 --> 00:21:47.700 Look at the inside of it. 472 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:48.240 It looks so cool. 473 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:52.619 Did you see that bit of dialogue there on the scrutiny as I walked 474 00:21:52.619 --> 00:21:55.440 down the corridor, they just go, well, yes, you know, it modulates 475 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:57.660 the asynchronous shielding of the delivery. 476 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:00.720 And then she went, she went, she went, oh, really? 477 00:22:00.779 --> 00:22:01.680 How fascinating. 478 00:22:01.740 --> 00:22:03.599 I was just like, oh, please. 479 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:06.359 I love that dialogue. 480 00:22:06.420 --> 00:22:09.599 It is so over the top that even Geordie has left out. 481 00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:11.640 So the 2 of them in that ring. 482 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:13.380 He just holds the dog. 483 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:15.480 I'll carry the dog then. 484 00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:18.180 He can't even contribute. 485 00:22:18.180 --> 00:22:20.279 And he's the king of chicken. 486 00:22:20.339 --> 00:22:22.920 Like, that technobap is so deliberately over the top and 487 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:23.279 Wonderful. 488 00:22:23.339 --> 00:22:24.539 I just thought that was brilliant. 489 00:22:24.779 --> 00:22:27.059 It reminds me of that scene. 490 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:29.880 Do you remember of Neelix in Threshold, where at the end of the 491 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:32.700 scene, they talk a lot of Tetler Babble, he just goes, I have no 492 00:22:32.700 --> 00:22:33.779 idea what they were talking about. 493 00:22:34.019 --> 00:22:37.140 Putting Geordie in that position is pretty clever. 494 00:22:37.500 --> 00:22:39.960 I was thinking as well, right? 495 00:22:40.019 --> 00:22:42.900 Like, obviously, they've used the same ex-comp design for lower 496 00:22:42.900 --> 00:22:45.059 decks because that is the ex-comp design. 497 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.359 But if they were designing it now, and it would have all these 498 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:51.240 fabulous CGI appendages coming out, wouldn't it? 499 00:22:51.299 --> 00:22:54.900 And it'll be able to do lots of impressive things, but all this 500 00:22:54.900 --> 00:22:58.619 thing does is something materialises in the front of it. and it 501 00:22:58.619 --> 00:23:03.960 sort of goes in and out. like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. and 502 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:04.920 the lights go. 503 00:23:04.980 --> 00:23:06.420 That's really all. 504 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.819 But I mean, nomad didn't do anything. 505 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:10.859 It just sort of wandered around on a string. 506 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:13.319 It didn't have little bits, little motors in it moving things 507 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:13.980 around. 508 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:15.839 It had flashing lights, didn't it? 509 00:23:16.140 --> 00:23:19.200 No mat just flew about all over the place. 510 00:23:19.259 --> 00:23:20.099 It was wonderful. 511 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:21.779 Do you remember we went up and down that shoe? 512 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:22.680 Oh my god. 513 00:23:23.700 --> 00:23:27.779 And, you know, there was another fall that popped into my head, you 514 00:23:27.779 --> 00:23:31.319 know, you as a dog lover, you know, and there is, they're all sort 515 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:33.480 of doing a doggy-like thing with this ex-acon. 516 00:23:33.539 --> 00:23:34.799 I thought, oh, he's going to love it. 517 00:23:34.859 --> 00:23:35.759 It's just going to love it. 518 00:23:35.819 --> 00:23:36.960 Yeah, they're adorable. 519 00:23:37.619 --> 00:23:42.480 Now, I'm no longer going to get you the Tom Paris threshold action 520 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:43.079 figure. 521 00:23:43.140 --> 00:23:45.299 You know, the the salamander. 522 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:46.920 The gross one. 523 00:23:46.980 --> 00:23:47.279 Yeah. 524 00:23:47.339 --> 00:23:49.680 I'm going to get you an next copy. awesome. 525 00:23:49.740 --> 00:23:52.619 So what do we think of Dr. Farallon's look? 526 00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:56.279 Well, she's got latex on her hands, do you know? 527 00:23:56.339 --> 00:23:59.279 Michael Westmore's given her a better slap. 528 00:23:59.339 --> 00:24:01.140 I just wish they hadn't done it. 529 00:24:01.259 --> 00:24:04.079 Oh, well, just had her just as a normal person. 530 00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:04.859 Yeah, yeah. 531 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:05.880 Just as human. 532 00:24:05.940 --> 00:24:08.700 She doesn't need to be an alien. 533 00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:13.019 And it just is a little bit distracting. 534 00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:16.019 And she's a beautiful woman and it, you know, like it's kind of a 535 00:24:16.019 --> 00:24:16.200 thing. 536 00:24:16.259 --> 00:24:19.380 Have we had the choice yet where we where we found out, you know 537 00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:22.079 why everyone's humanoid, but they've just got slightly different 538 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:23.400 crevices on their heads. 539 00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:25.140 I think that might be a little bit later. 540 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:26.099 I'm not sure. 541 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:31.079 Of course, as we know, Discovery season five, did you know? 542 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:34.079 Is about the chase. 543 00:24:34.140 --> 00:24:36.480 And it, oh, really? 544 00:24:36.539 --> 00:24:40.079 Yeah, we constantly see pictures of Salome Jens. 545 00:24:40.500 --> 00:24:41.940 Great. 546 00:24:43.859 --> 00:24:47.700 You know, for such an important episode, the chase is staggeringly 547 00:24:47.700 --> 00:24:48.180 boring. 548 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:51.720 But it does reach a really interesting conclusion. 549 00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:52.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 550 00:24:52.740 --> 00:24:53.039 Yeah. 551 00:24:53.099 --> 00:24:55.859 And it's a very Star Trek conclusion that's the All Men are 552 00:24:55.859 --> 00:25:01.500 Brothers conclusion that Septimus and Flavius discovered. 553 00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:06.359 Some poor technician on this episode is holding the strings 554 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:06.779 above. 555 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:10.140 His arms are, my arms are really aching. 556 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:10.799 Can I put it down? 557 00:25:10.859 --> 00:25:12.000 Yeah, he's going through it. 558 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.240 Isn't he up in the lighting grid with... 559 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:18.000 So cute. 560 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:23.039 I mean, there was just so delightful about robots. track, isn't 561 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:23.220 there? 562 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:28.740 No, more puppets, I think, on Star Trek, just generally, is a good 563 00:25:28.740 --> 00:25:28.920 thing. 564 00:25:29.940 --> 00:25:33.839 No, I hate to keep regular us back to threshold, but those lizards 565 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:34.319 do you remember? 566 00:25:34.380 --> 00:25:35.039 You were awesome. 567 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:36.359 Life-size lizards. 568 00:25:36.420 --> 00:25:37.200 I know the best thing about it. 569 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:40.799 Have you noticed, right? 570 00:25:40.859 --> 00:25:44.460 I don't know why, but there's this sort of glass screen in the 571 00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:45.299 middle of that set. 572 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.839 It gives Jonathan break something to shoot through every now and 573 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:50.519 again to make an interesting shot. 574 00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:54.420 Now, the exacompass just disobeyed his commands and come back out 575 00:25:54.420 --> 00:25:55.980 of the out of the Jeffreys tube. 576 00:25:56.039 --> 00:26:01.319 I like this too. like her remote control, her iPad there, it like 577 00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:05.759 sparks and she drops it and she sells that really well, I think 578 00:26:05.819 --> 00:26:07.440 you know, she does a really good job. 579 00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:11.579 And so this is peanut hamper saying, you know, I'm not doing 580 00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:11.819 that. 581 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:12.539 The rocks. 582 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:16.259 I look at the rocks surrounded by rocks. 583 00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:18.000 I had to message you out there. 584 00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:21.420 Because that's clearly like a technological conduit. 585 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:23.460 Why it's packed with that many rocks? 586 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:24.720 I have no idea. 587 00:26:24.779 --> 00:26:26.759 Well, it's a mining danger. 588 00:26:26.819 --> 00:26:30.240 It's like they want to hurt people with the design of their 589 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:31.140 technology, isn't it? 590 00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:34.079 Why did nobody ask the question? 591 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.200 It could have just been metal, right? 592 00:26:37.259 --> 00:26:38.700 Twisted metal. 593 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:42.240 I think rocks are cheaper than twisted metal is the thing. 594 00:26:42.420 --> 00:26:45.480 They've got them still from yesterday's enterprise. 595 00:26:45.539 --> 00:26:46.259 We've got those in the store. 596 00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:47.519 Just throw them in there. 597 00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:49.559 A lot of... 598 00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:55.319 But even I will say, at this point where the X-Com starts making 599 00:26:55.319 --> 00:27:00.599 autonomous choices. my interest perked up because the 1st 10 600 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:05.279 minutes I was like, oh boy, you know, stock standard next 601 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:06.599 generation plot number 52. 602 00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:10.019 Geordie has to write a report and submit it, submit it to Picard 603 00:27:10.019 --> 00:27:13.740 and he'll make a final decision and like it all seems... 604 00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:14.279 Oh, come on. 605 00:27:14.339 --> 00:27:16.799 This is this is the one chance when you can say no, there's only 606 00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:19.920 one because there is only one TNG. 607 00:27:19.980 --> 00:27:21.359 Very, very. 608 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:23.579 So this, I think, is good too. 609 00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:29.519 And this is, um, so we get this in emergence as well, where the 610 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.839 enterprise computer undergoes a similar thing where these nodules 611 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:35.579 are formed, remember? 612 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:36.960 In the computer. 613 00:27:37.140 --> 00:27:40.319 Is that the one on the holiday with the magical bridge? 614 00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:41.460 Yeah, yeah, it's not very good. 615 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:43.559 But, but hideous episode. 616 00:27:43.619 --> 00:27:47.460 But it is that kind of thing that we're doing at the moment. 617 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:51.299 So these little nodules that are appearing in the Xocomp, and the 618 00:27:51.299 --> 00:27:56.220 fact that she interprets it as corruption, like data corruption 619 00:27:56.220 --> 00:28:00.480 and she re-initializes them, because they start to behave oddly 620 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:04.140 and it's like once an exocop gets like that, you know, it's no 621 00:28:04.140 --> 00:28:07.019 good, and I have to have to re-initialize it. 622 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:11.099 And that's it, developing consciousness, you know, like, and so 623 00:28:11.099 --> 00:28:16.140 the idea is that because the, they're sufficiently complex, and 624 00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:22.440 because they make themselves, they make more, like they make more 625 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:25.559 pathways, because they're always described in terms of sort of 626 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:27.420 pathways and stuff, like the human brain. 627 00:28:28.259 --> 00:28:32.099 So has she stumbled upon this life form entirely by accident? 628 00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:34.500 Because I swear she said she just sort of mushed together a load 629 00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:36.660 of technology to see if it would work. 630 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:39.240 So there was no sort of design to this. 631 00:28:39.299 --> 00:28:41.940 She was just sort of trying things out to make a better piece of 632 00:28:41.940 --> 00:28:42.299 equipment. 633 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:46.440 Yeah, so she says it's a basic servo robot that she's worked on 634 00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:51.180 but what she's given it is the problem solving ability and the 635 00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:55.740 ability to change itself, you know, it's a program itself 636 00:28:55.740 --> 00:28:59.579 physically based on the input that it's received. 637 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:00.960 Data is suddenly making... 638 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.539 Oh, the look he just gave me... 639 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:04.019 Yeah. 640 00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:09.960 And I will say props to Brent Spiner in this episode because I 641 00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:15.180 just, I, I don't know how he does it by not expressing a single 642 00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:20.339 emotion and yet emoting all over the place. 643 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:23.579 No, but not in the way that an actor normally would. 644 00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.579 He's still got to keep his voice level and things like that. 645 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:31.259 When he meets Dr. Farrell on and smiles and stuff, like he's 646 00:29:31.259 --> 00:29:33.599 really properly enthusiastic about meeting her. 647 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:35.759 Yeah. 648 00:29:35.819 --> 00:29:37.440 So this is where... 649 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.200 But that sort of, that, that 2nd there where the camera just 650 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:41.940 lingered on him and he's looking a bit. 651 00:29:41.940 --> 00:29:43.140 Look at him, he... 652 00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:44.940 Like, I think he was... 653 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.960 I think he like that is much less walking around the set. 654 00:29:49.019 --> 00:29:52.680 That is much less that's much less static than this show is 655 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:53.579 normally. 656 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:54.660 Do you know what I mean? 657 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.240 Having the camera just go around his table. 658 00:29:57.299 --> 00:30:01.200 That's a pretty unusual thing, and that's, that's Frank's, you 659 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.779 know, whirling the camera around, which he'll... 660 00:30:03.779 --> 00:30:06.480 Oh, and then a zoom in on day. when you realise something. 661 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:07.559 I think that's pretty good. 662 00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:13.500 Joe, maybe they saw the rushes coming in and when, my God, John 663 00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:14.460 you move the camera. 664 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:15.779 You're going to do 1st contact. 665 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:17.339 I think that's it. 666 00:30:18.059 --> 00:30:21.960 Oh, this is so Star Trek. 667 00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:25.259 And this is this is the sort of thing that we would get in any 668 00:30:25.259 --> 00:30:27.180 version of 90s trek. 669 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:31.319 So this is her talking about climbing trees as a little girl and 670 00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:34.319 I'm kind of going, oh, you've got to be fucking kidding me. 671 00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:38.700 Like, it's so it's so bad. 672 00:30:40.140 --> 00:30:43.440 We don't care about your backstory line. 673 00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:44.880 It isn't gonna make you any more interesting. 674 00:30:44.940 --> 00:30:48.000 No, she's selling it though. 675 00:30:48.059 --> 00:30:48.900 Do you know what I mean? 676 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:53.160 It's like she's tired and she's giving herself time to have a 677 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:57.059 break and she's much more chill and happy and relaxed than she is 678 00:30:57.059 --> 00:31:01.259 and she kind of realises that she's been super stressed and the 2 679 00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:03.660 of them have this really relaxed body language after being quite 680 00:31:03.660 --> 00:31:05.220 combative in that 1st scene. 681 00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:06.660 And I think it's really good. 682 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.319 I mean, it's fucking pure cheese, this scene. 683 00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:12.240 So, so right. 684 00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:16.380 I usually broke a bone in the process, but I never let it stop 685 00:31:16.380 --> 00:31:16.680 me. 686 00:31:16.740 --> 00:31:17.819 Oh my god. 687 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.400 You must be a determined character then. 688 00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:28.200 But it's still not as bad. as that thing where Garak says, oh, it 689 00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:30.960 turns out this game is a metaphor for our relationship. 690 00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.200 Oh, they hang out a lantern on it, though. 691 00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:39.059 Now, look at Beverly in this scene. 692 00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:39.900 Look at this. 693 00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:41.519 So she's been injured. 694 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:44.160 She's sitting there on the thing super relaxed. 695 00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:47.519 She's having real fun while she's doing the dermal regenerator on 696 00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:50.099 herself because he's hit her with a bat laugh. 697 00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.220 And look how much fun she's having and how relaxed she is. 698 00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:54.539 She's all... 699 00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:56.519 Which imagine has loosened her up to this extent. 700 00:31:56.579 --> 00:31:57.960 I don't know I don't know. 701 00:31:58.019 --> 00:32:04.559 I think, I think that the doctor thing doesn't work for her and 702 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.859 whenever she's having to live, deliver doctor dialogue, she's 703 00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:08.519 super wooden. 704 00:32:08.579 --> 00:32:11.160 But whenever she's just... 98% of the time. 705 00:32:11.220 --> 00:32:12.299 I know, I know. 706 00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:13.259 But look at it here. 707 00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:15.960 So this is absolutely an exposition. 708 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:20.400 They put a mild sedative in her coffee before she started that day 709 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:21.779 you know. 710 00:32:22.019 --> 00:32:24.420 Just to loosen her up a little bit. 711 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:26.640 Because this is her being serious. 712 00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:28.019 This isn't character work. 713 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:31.920 This is her giving him a definition of life and they're discussing 714 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:32.880 what life is. 715 00:32:32.940 --> 00:32:33.900 Yeah. 716 00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:35.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 717 00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:37.859 But, you know, I mean, I suppose she is doing... 718 00:32:37.859 --> 00:32:40.140 She is talking Dr. V stuff here, isn't she? 719 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:42.539 She's talking about how you determine life. 720 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:47.039 And it's clearly why Data's gone to see her in particular because 721 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:48.299 she's a doctor. 722 00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:49.980 But look, look. 723 00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:52.500 Oh, I did like him saying about fire. 724 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:54.660 The fire creates offspring. 725 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:56.759 Yeah, but she has some normal reaction. 726 00:32:56.819 --> 00:32:58.559 She just says, oh, it's a chemical reaction. 727 00:32:58.619 --> 00:32:59.339 Do you know what I mean? 728 00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:01.740 And there are some other things that are borderline and we don't 729 00:33:01.740 --> 00:33:02.339 think they're alive. 730 00:33:02.579 --> 00:33:06.180 But the technobabble she's talking about here. all real stuff 731 00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:06.599 right? 732 00:33:06.660 --> 00:33:09.900 It's not made up shitty Star Trek techno babble that Jason 733 00:33:09.900 --> 00:33:11.099 McFadden does not understand. 734 00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:12.119 Exactly right. 735 00:33:12.180 --> 00:33:14.400 And she knows what this scene is about. 736 00:33:14.460 --> 00:33:16.259 And so she's really selling it. 737 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:17.339 And look, look. 738 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:21.000 She looks beautiful there as well. 739 00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:24.000 I mean, oftentimes I'll be on the way she sits. 740 00:33:24.059 --> 00:33:25.680 Look at how she's got her knee up. 741 00:33:25.740 --> 00:33:28.619 The way she was sitting on that bio bed. 742 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:32.220 You know, he, like, seriously, go back and watch her in series 743 00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:32.460 one. 744 00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:33.359 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 745 00:33:33.420 --> 00:33:34.799 I know, I know. 746 00:33:34.859 --> 00:33:37.859 The Edo want to execute my son, Jean-Luc. 747 00:33:39.059 --> 00:33:41.460 It's like she's a different person. 748 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:45.599 So I suppose, like, we don't have character growth in the accepted 749 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:49.799 sense in TNG, but what we have is actor relaxer. 750 00:33:49.859 --> 00:33:50.579 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 751 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.279 That happens over the seasons. and she's great. 752 00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:55.259 This is, I mean, I think this is her thing. 753 00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:57.779 They just gotten used to delivering this bullshit as well, haven't 754 00:33:57.779 --> 00:33:57.960 they? 755 00:33:58.019 --> 00:33:59.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 756 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:03.299 Yeah, I mean, because sub-Rosa, is that season seven? 757 00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:04.319 I think it is isn't it? 758 00:34:04.500 --> 00:34:07.200 Well, she was very relaxed in that one. 759 00:34:07.259 --> 00:34:08.880 But yeah, that's right. 760 00:34:08.940 --> 00:34:11.460 But she was kind of terrible in that. 761 00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:14.880 Like that was overwrought and ridiculous and all of that. 762 00:34:14.940 --> 00:34:17.039 Here, like she's magnificent. 763 00:34:17.099 --> 00:34:18.599 And this is just perfect. 764 00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:22.500 I think if she'd have if she'd have held back for a 2nd in sub 765 00:34:21.539 --> 00:34:24.239 rosa, we would have been condemning her for it. 766 00:34:24.300 --> 00:34:24.840 No, no, no. 767 00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:26.400 She went for it and then some. 768 00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:26.880 Yeah. 769 00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:27.900 That's fair. 770 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.119 Oh, he's shooting through the glass panel. you go. 771 00:34:30.179 --> 00:34:31.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 772 00:34:34.500 --> 00:34:38.460 That's the only bloody thing I can do with this terrible, sad 773 00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:39.059 terrible set. 774 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.960 The other thing is, there are quite a lot of extras in it until it 775 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.320 comes time to evacuate it, and then there's only about 4 people 776 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.019 because that's all that will fit in that transporter. 777 00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:50.519 Like I don't quite know what's happening there. 778 00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:54.960 Oh, I love this where he comes in and just declares that the 779 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.699 execoms are a form of life. 780 00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:58.380 Is this an ad break now? 781 00:34:58.440 --> 00:34:59.400 Yeah, yeah. 782 00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:00.239 This is our ad. 783 00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:00.840 It's a good one. 784 00:35:00.900 --> 00:35:01.559 It's a really good one. 785 00:35:04.619 --> 00:35:07.199 And of course, then you know you're going to get the scene where 786 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.000 she's going, well, how utterly ridiculous. 787 00:35:09.059 --> 00:35:11.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 788 00:35:11.219 --> 00:35:13.199 Well, that's this, isn't it? 789 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:16.440 And you get, I like the way Patrick Stewart plays it as well 790 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:20.579 because he, you can kind of see he's on her side, but he's got a 791 00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:22.739 humour data because he trusts data. 792 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:26.280 I like the conclusion that it's like he kind of understands 793 00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:30.480 machines a bit better, so his instincts about them. correct, like 794 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.300 or more likely to be correct, because he's in sympathy with them. 795 00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:36.179 And I thought that worked really well, you know, that he's more 796 00:35:36.179 --> 00:35:39.119 willing to recognise them as a life form. 797 00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:43.320 And I do like giving him some political consciousness where he now 798 00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:46.619 wants to intervene to ensure that they're not exploited. 799 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:47.280 I think it really good. 800 00:35:47.699 --> 00:35:51.960 I think it's where I like, every time you start talking about, you 801 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.139 know, the definition of life in the universe, like Dr. Beverly was 802 00:35:55.139 --> 00:35:59.519 a minute ago, all those Star Trek fans, they get goosebumps all 803 00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.280 over their arms. you know, this this is an instant classic now. 804 00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:06.119 We're talking about, you know, the meaning of life. real sort of 805 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.360 um, thoughtful stuff that you can get your teeth into. 806 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:11.699 Now, let me... 807 00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:13.139 It is good Star Trek. 808 00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:14.400 Let me bring it back down. 809 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:15.119 Just a bit dull. 810 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:21.179 And just say that I think that Deanna's look in this scene is 811 00:36:21.179 --> 00:36:22.500 maybe her best look ever. 812 00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:24.599 And I think... 813 00:36:24.659 --> 00:36:29.159 Well, so she's going to say something, she'll say something, but 814 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:30.599 she has really good hair. 815 00:36:30.659 --> 00:36:32.579 So instead of being old bun haired. 816 00:36:32.699 --> 00:36:38.280 She has very curly hair tied back and old bunheads. 817 00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:39.059 Yeah, there she is. 818 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:40.019 Like, there she is. 819 00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:45.420 Yeah, I just, no, no bar, but in the next episode, Chaino Command 820 00:36:45.420 --> 00:36:48.239 she's clearly been down the beach for a couple of weeks, right? 821 00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:51.719 The tan, it's the same hair, but with a tan. 822 00:36:51.780 --> 00:36:54.179 I think that what they're doing is that they've decided to 823 00:36:54.179 --> 00:36:56.940 actually respect the colour. 824 00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:58.199 Do you know what I mean? 825 00:36:58.260 --> 00:37:02.159 Because she's, you know, Greek or partly Greek, she has darker 826 00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:06.179 skin, and she's got those eyes, the black, you know, contact 827 00:37:06.179 --> 00:37:10.559 lenses, and so they've just given her a browner, darker kind of 828 00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:14.519 colour palette on her mate, with her makeup, and it looks great. 829 00:37:14.579 --> 00:37:16.619 It looks so much better than she used to look. 830 00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:20.340 It's so strange though, because in series one, she's more albino 831 00:37:20.340 --> 00:37:21.300 than dates are. 832 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.059 They put so much white face up on her face. 833 00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:28.019 And so this, again, is a more relaxed look for her, her hair looks 834 00:37:28.019 --> 00:37:28.619 more normal. 835 00:37:28.619 --> 00:37:33.119 And when she gets into the uniform next episode with that hair and 836 00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:40.019 makeup, she looks great. so good I think this may be the one trek 837 00:37:40.019 --> 00:37:42.059 show where the women are much better looking than the men. 838 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:46.380 On the whole, obviously. 839 00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:50.699 Those lips are very accentuated by his beard, aren't they? 840 00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:52.019 He looks bad. 841 00:37:52.260 --> 00:37:53.039 Oh boy. 842 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.760 We're getting a bit sleaze in our quick chase subject, yeah. 843 00:37:56.820 --> 00:37:58.679 No, the beard, it's a thing. 844 00:37:58.739 --> 00:38:03.000 But please, once we've watched this, right, just go and look at 845 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:06.119 her in chain of command, because she's several hues darker in 846 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:06.420 that. 847 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:07.320 Yeah, even darker. 848 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:10.139 But you can see that she's enjoying that American life. 849 00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:13.980 But, you know, she's got brown lipstick on rather than bright red 850 00:38:13.980 --> 00:38:16.619 lipstick in this episode and it looks a lot better. 851 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:20.099 See, I think this, like deciding to shoot from the Jeffreys tube 852 00:38:20.099 --> 00:38:24.119 past the AxoComp and having them assemble in position there. 853 00:38:24.179 --> 00:38:26.699 Like, I think this is well well directed. 854 00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:33.000 I mean, they are all in shot there. and it's all deliberately 855 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:34.920 staged in a very 90s way. 856 00:38:34.980 --> 00:38:38.219 Just a little bit more thoughtful short composition than this show 857 00:38:38.219 --> 00:38:39.900 often does, I think. 858 00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:41.400 He's good. 859 00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:42.719 I think they can't do. 860 00:38:42.780 --> 00:38:44.820 They can do dynamic direction. 861 00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:48.179 I watched a game the other day and you shouldn't, the bit where 862 00:38:48.179 --> 00:38:51.900 Wesley was being chased around the ship was being shot up, down 863 00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:52.440 left, right. 864 00:38:52.500 --> 00:38:53.340 It was okay. 865 00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:54.000 It was crazy. 866 00:38:54.059 --> 00:38:57.840 Well, I mean, that's the other thing with Star Trek too, is that 867 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:02.940 this episode, which is very talky and a bit philosophical and not 868 00:39:02.940 --> 00:39:03.840 super complex. 869 00:39:03.900 --> 00:39:06.840 Oh. 870 00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.940 That's so great. 871 00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:10.260 So good. 872 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:12.840 That is like that affects shot. 873 00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:17.579 This is also this is also a strength and a weakness of this 874 00:39:17.579 --> 00:39:20.579 episode in that I do think this is a great scene. 875 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:24.239 I think the outcome of this scene where you realised that the 876 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.480 Xecom realised that the whole thing was a ploy. 877 00:39:27.539 --> 00:39:32.460 And so he just basically stopped the simulation. 878 00:39:32.460 --> 00:39:33.480 Instead of saving himself. 879 00:39:33.659 --> 00:39:37.500 But boy, we have to go for all of this plodding to get there. 880 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:41.219 You know, like we had to go through the motions to get to that 881 00:39:41.219 --> 00:39:41.460 point. 882 00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:44.519 But I think I want to see this. 883 00:39:44.699 --> 00:39:45.719 Do you know what I mean? 884 00:39:45.780 --> 00:39:49.260 Like I want to see them experimenting, experimenting. 885 00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:53.219 I want to see them trying something and observing its behaviour. 886 00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.619 I want to see them making a judgement. 887 00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:57.179 I love it. 888 00:39:57.239 --> 00:39:58.619 No, no, I absolutely love it. 889 00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.960 And again, because it's comprehensible too. 890 00:40:01.019 --> 00:40:04.679 It's not just, you know, the Voyager thing of them just shouting 891 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.500 polysyllabic words at one another across the bridge. 892 00:40:07.500 --> 00:40:10.920 You know, like it's very clear what's going on. 893 00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:11.880 We love us as well. 894 00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:12.420 Don't lie. 895 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:19.079 I know, but you know me, and you know my favourite trek is like 896 00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.320 it's like DS97, where they're juggling like 15 plots. 897 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:24.840 And all those characters, and there's so much happening. 898 00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:29.820 Boy, 0 boy, this really is nuts and bolts A to B to C, you know? 899 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:31.679 And then, you love it. 900 00:40:31.739 --> 00:40:32.699 Yeah, I love it. 901 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:35.639 Look, I mean, you know, like I love Kurtzman Trek. 902 00:40:35.699 --> 00:40:39.119 I love discovery and discovery isn't much like this, generally 903 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:43.139 although they are smart and they do solve space problems. 904 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:46.800 Sorry to interrupt you, but this was that startling bit of 905 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:48.239 direction I had pointed out earlier. 906 00:40:48.300 --> 00:40:50.639 Well, there's a bit of depth to it, isn't it? 907 00:40:50.699 --> 00:40:55.320 Well, I think too, we weren't aware of that space, which I really 908 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:55.739 liked. 909 00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:59.940 It's kind of like we've walked past that wall heaps of times. 910 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.400 Don't forget, the door's open usually, is it? 911 00:41:02.460 --> 00:41:03.119 No, is it? 912 00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:03.659 That's right. 913 00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:07.320 So we weren't aware that space was behind there, and I really like 914 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:07.619 that. 915 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.199 Like, it's a little new part. 916 00:41:10.260 --> 00:41:13.079 This is why Tuesday morning, so my favourite morning of the week 917 00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.840 finding new cubby holes on the Enterprise, you know? 918 00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:16.739 Yeah, exactly. 919 00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:17.519 No I love it. 920 00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:21.719 Dr. Beverly has just come in and she goes, now, data, I must 921 00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:23.340 distract you for at least a minute. 922 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:24.179 Okay? 923 00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.400 So you don't send the command to the ex-comp. 924 00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:28.800 So the plot, the plot can continue. 925 00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:36.059 But this is good though, because this is about how he feels about 926 00:41:36.059 --> 00:41:38.280 the failure of the experiment. 927 00:41:39.179 --> 00:41:43.380 That was my favourite thing about this episode was the impact on 928 00:41:43.380 --> 00:41:48.000 data and data admitting, and it's just there where he says, I 929 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:48.780 won't be alone anymore. 930 00:41:48.900 --> 00:41:51.659 I will be the only one of my kind as mechanical life. 931 00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:55.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. puppies as well. like robot 932 00:41:55.260 --> 00:41:55.860 puppies. 933 00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:57.480 And I think that is adorable. 934 00:41:58.019 --> 00:42:03.840 Do you not think then though, on the back of this, it shouldn't 935 00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:08.099 have taken 30 years or whatever it was, to see the X-Comps again 936 00:42:08.099 --> 00:42:10.380 that maybe Data should have had an X-Comp, or they should have 937 00:42:10.380 --> 00:42:13.440 used one on the Enterprise at this point, or I don't know, it's 938 00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:14.099 like, why are we doing this? 939 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.980 Well, I think we're doing it just, you know, this is still 940 00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:21.900 syndicated TV and it's not something that has a lot of 941 00:42:21.900 --> 00:42:22.739 continuity. 942 00:42:22.860 --> 00:42:28.260 And I think both, like, Picard picks up on synths and makes them a 943 00:42:28.260 --> 00:42:33.420 thing years later, and the XO comps come into lower decks, you 944 00:42:33.420 --> 00:42:34.800 know, a decade or so later. 945 00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:38.460 You know, like where were they going to appear if they weren't 946 00:42:38.460 --> 00:42:39.900 going to appear in series 7? 947 00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:41.760 There's not going to be one on Voyager or anything. 948 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.539 Well, just like you have those fabulous little robots going about 949 00:42:45.539 --> 00:42:46.079 on Discovery. 950 00:42:46.139 --> 00:42:47.579 Yeah, they could have the exacons. 951 00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:52.860 Just going about, just have one fly path. 952 00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:53.159 Yeah. 953 00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:54.659 I mean, that's what I mean, a hamper. 954 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:55.139 You're okay. 955 00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:57.599 That's one of the things I love about Discovery, is those little 956 00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.780 robots that come and fix things and hoover stuff up and that's 957 00:43:00.780 --> 00:43:01.559 awesome, you know? 958 00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:04.380 Well, I don't I don't buy that. 959 00:43:04.380 --> 00:43:08.219 The writers of 90s trek can't see something and go, wow, that's a 960 00:43:08.219 --> 00:43:08.639 really good idea. 961 00:43:08.699 --> 00:43:09.480 Let's integrate it. 962 00:43:09.539 --> 00:43:12.420 We've talked about Jeffrey Coombs and the clones before, you 963 00:43:12.420 --> 00:43:12.599 know? 964 00:43:12.659 --> 00:43:16.139 Yeah, but that's Steve Says 9. that's when they're learning to do 965 00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:16.380 that. 966 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:18.719 And remember before they do that. 967 00:43:18.780 --> 00:43:22.920 They try to make episodes like this, uh, and they're kind of 968 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.739 terrible because they're not really suited to the setting or the 969 00:43:25.739 --> 00:43:27.179 crew that they have or anything. 970 00:43:27.179 --> 00:43:29.519 You know, they're so resistant, no one. 971 00:43:29.579 --> 00:43:32.099 They're so resistant on TNG to have anything that links these 972 00:43:32.099 --> 00:43:33.360 things. aren't they? 973 00:43:33.420 --> 00:43:35.940 Because it was syndicated because sometimes they were shown out of 974 00:43:35.940 --> 00:43:36.300 order. 975 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:37.800 Oh, yes. 976 00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:41.760 Hugely impressive piece of equipment there. 977 00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.880 There's this one here where the 2 sort of domes. 978 00:43:44.940 --> 00:43:49.619 Yeah, well, I've seen Beverly growing fungus in there in clues. 979 00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:50.579 Do you know what I mean? 980 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.159 That's in Beverly's thing, and I'm sure that she was growing that 981 00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:56.340 whatever the hell it was in Clues. 982 00:43:57.059 --> 00:44:00.420 I see Dr. Beverly grown fungus. 983 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:08.460 Oh boy, this really is the highlight of my wig. 984 00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:14.039 That set is so much more impressive with the lights now. 985 00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:16.320 Just turn the lights off more often, okay? 986 00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:19.199 Yeah, just think the green is not helping. 987 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:23.519 There's lots of light sources within the scene as well. 988 00:44:23.579 --> 00:44:25.019 So it's still lit up. 989 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.059 It's what we said about it in Picard, wasn't it? 990 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.000 Just find it interesting weight of lighting the set from within 991 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:30.539 the set. 992 00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:34.619 But I mean, I think that the engineering set where that scene with 993 00:44:34.619 --> 00:44:40.139 Beverly and data, you know, just now, where that was shot, like I 994 00:44:40.139 --> 00:44:41.579 thought that had interesting backgrounds. 995 00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:45.599 Yeah, look, now there's only 4 other people on the on the thing. 996 00:44:45.659 --> 00:44:49.440 Maybe they've been, uh, maybe they've been transporting them out 997 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:51.599 earlier, but uh, like whatever. 998 00:44:51.659 --> 00:44:53.760 And I think I think the reason why we don't really buy this 999 00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:56.460 Jeopardy, the Picard and La Forge are in. 1000 00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:58.800 It's because, well, one, we know they're not going to be leaving 1001 00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:00.000 in this dreary episode. 1002 00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:03.900 And two, that's not what this episode is about. 1003 00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:05.039 That's right. 1004 00:45:05.099 --> 00:45:05.880 That's right. 1005 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.480 Yeah, yeah. 1006 00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:12.719 I mean, and all of that stuff gets thrown away. 1007 00:45:12.780 --> 00:45:15.360 The particle fountain stuff is now thrown away too, because that 1008 00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:17.159 was really never important either. 1009 00:45:17.219 --> 00:45:21.179 And in fact, the particle fountain experiment kind of fails. 1010 00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:26.039 The thing blows up, you know, she kind of goes, oh, back to the 1011 00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:27.900 drawing board, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1012 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.300 So that doesn't matter either. 1013 00:45:30.539 --> 00:45:34.980 Well, you take a look, please, at this sub O'Brien Transporter 1014 00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:37.860 Chief that they've got now in series 6 of TNG. 1015 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:39.179 So this is Kelso. 1016 00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:40.920 He only does this episode. 1017 00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:44.159 And I was actually a very boring job. 1018 00:45:44.219 --> 00:45:44.760 That's why. 1019 00:45:44.820 --> 00:45:48.360 I was a little bit shocked, actually, in the early scene where he 1020 00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:52.860 appears before that he got any dialogue at all because he just 1021 00:45:52.860 --> 00:45:54.840 looked like a, you know, part of the scenery. 1022 00:45:54.900 --> 00:45:56.280 He was just going to operate the thing. 1023 00:45:56.340 --> 00:46:00.000 So he gets dialogue there because he's actually a speaking part. 1024 00:46:00.059 --> 00:46:02.039 The only other speeding part. 1025 00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:05.880 But when those, you know, when the Starfleet people beamed onto 1026 00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.699 the transporter pad, there was a shot of one of the security 1027 00:46:08.699 --> 00:46:10.019 people sort of walking out the door. 1028 00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:10.619 Yeah. 1029 00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:13.260 She threw a filthy look back at everybody else. 1030 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:14.760 She's in a wall. 1031 00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:15.420 What was going on there? 1032 00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:17.880 She's on the bridge quite a lot, that woman. 1033 00:46:17.940 --> 00:46:22.860 I don't know what her name is, but she's a very frequent featured 1034 00:46:22.860 --> 00:46:24.900 you know, she's an extra. 1035 00:46:25.019 --> 00:46:28.139 It was a sort of look that said, oh, I'm the only one hitting my 1036 00:46:28.139 --> 00:46:28.860 mark, am I? 1037 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:29.340 Okay. 1038 00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:34.380 I like watching the extras. 1039 00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:35.579 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1040 00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.400 You know, they don't get a lot to do, so they have to get noticed 1041 00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:38.760 somehow. 1042 00:46:38.820 --> 00:46:41.159 No, see, there's some people in the background of this scene. 1043 00:46:41.219 --> 00:46:41.760 Nathan. 1044 00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:42.000 Yeah. 1045 00:46:42.059 --> 00:46:44.760 This is just like perfect TNG for people, isn't it? 1046 00:46:44.820 --> 00:46:47.519 We had a scene in the conference room with everyone around there 1047 00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:48.599 discussing an issue. 1048 00:46:48.659 --> 00:46:53.400 Scenes in engineering, scenes around the poker table, kid robots 1049 00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:54.840 quality of life. 1050 00:46:54.900 --> 00:46:57.420 I mean, it's just got everything Trek fans could possibly watch. 1051 00:46:57.420 --> 00:47:00.239 All, rather, TNG fans could possibly watch. 1052 00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:01.139 Yeah, that's exactly it. 1053 00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:04.199 This isn't much like a original trek, is it, really, at all? 1054 00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:06.900 No. 1055 00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:11.820 No, that was that was far less competent space people doing. 1056 00:47:11.820 --> 00:47:13.980 Yeah, there was a big problem. 1057 00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:14.760 There was a bit of it. 1058 00:47:14.820 --> 00:47:16.320 They had a bit more fun, didn't they? 1059 00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:17.340 Yeah. 1060 00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:21.900 I mean, and everyone had that sort of wry smile on their face 1061 00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:24.480 knowing it was all a bit of sort of Gubbins, but Elvis, they take 1062 00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:25.199 it very seriously. 1063 00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:28.500 I mean, that was the criticism at the time, wasn't it? 1064 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.679 That original Star Trek fans didn't like Next Generation, because 1065 00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:36.480 it was too talky and too worthy, and, you know, I mean, they've 1066 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:37.019 got a point. 1067 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:38.099 No, of course they do. 1068 00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:39.659 I was very cross at them at the time. 1069 00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.059 I thought they were ridiculous but yes, they had a point. 1070 00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:42.599 Exactly. 1071 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:43.860 This is very talking. 1072 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:45.900 We all just went, yeah, but look at the ship. 1073 00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:46.860 Look at the stars. 1074 00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:47.940 Yeah, it looks amazing. 1075 00:47:48.059 --> 00:47:48.900 That's right. 1076 00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.719 Now we go, oh, how embarrassing. 1077 00:47:51.780 --> 00:47:53.760 Oh, love what the special effects were. 1078 00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:57.539 Well, we're watching the new special effects. 1079 00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.059 Oh, gorgeous. 1080 00:48:00.059 --> 00:48:02.159 They were even worse at the at the time. 1081 00:48:03.179 --> 00:48:07.199 Where even the animated special effects are just stunning. 1082 00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.079 I mean, there's the particle fountain, look. 1083 00:48:10.139 --> 00:48:11.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1084 00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:12.900 Looking magnificent. 1085 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.719 Oh, look at the 3X of comps. 1086 00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:16.679 So good. 1087 00:48:16.739 --> 00:48:19.380 Come on we're taking the dogs out for a walk. 1088 00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:20.699 That is so adorable. 1089 00:48:22.019 --> 00:48:24.480 Oh, dear right, dear. 1090 00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:28.500 Let's give them let's give them the choice as to whether they want 1091 00:48:28.500 --> 00:48:29.159 to do this or not. 1092 00:48:29.219 --> 00:48:31.199 No, just fucking send them in. 1093 00:48:31.260 --> 00:48:32.400 Jesus Christ. 1094 00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:34.619 I think that this. 1095 00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.579 I think that this is actually the surprising bit, because he's 1096 00:48:38.579 --> 00:48:41.699 just in the set, in the background, and then he turns around and 1097 00:48:41.699 --> 00:48:44.159 says, actually, I'm not going to let them go. 1098 00:48:44.219 --> 00:48:46.860 And that's that's a surprise. 1099 00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:50.099 Like, that's a surprise next step and that's a great ad break 1100 00:48:50.099 --> 00:48:51.960 thing and a great character moment. 1101 00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:56.099 It is, it is, and it is, and it is the best moment of the 1102 00:48:56.099 --> 00:48:56.760 episode. 1103 00:48:56.820 --> 00:48:59.639 Yeah, yeah, it's a real surprise. one moment where I saw sat up 1104 00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:03.659 and went, is he really going to let Picard die to save the X-Con? 1105 00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:08.760 And this scene is really good too, because, because if this had 1106 00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:11.760 been an enterprise scene, you know, Archer would have been in 1107 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:15.000 there screaming at him and, and, you know, like just completely 1108 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.219 dismissing anything that he had to say. 1109 00:49:17.340 --> 00:49:21.000 And here Riker is saying, look, these are your friends. 1110 00:49:21.059 --> 00:49:23.099 You know, like, what are you doing? 1111 00:49:23.219 --> 00:49:27.420 Um, and like some of those little doggies. 1112 00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:28.619 Yeah, potentially my friends. 1113 00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:34.559 But he comes up with a proper solution and it's Riker's idea, isn't 1114 00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:34.800 it? 1115 00:49:34.860 --> 00:49:39.360 to restore their command pathways and let them make the decision 1116 00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:42.960 and like that respect status belief. 1117 00:49:43.019 --> 00:49:45.599 You know, because data is not an idiot. 1118 00:49:45.659 --> 00:49:47.639 Like we talk about data's belief. 1119 00:49:47.699 --> 00:49:52.800 You know, he believes that their life, in which case it would be 1120 00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:55.260 wrong to treat them in this way. 1121 00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:59.880 And remember what they're proposing is just sticking bombs on them 1122 00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:02.280 and transporting them to the fountain. 1123 00:50:02.340 --> 00:50:03.420 Do you know what I mean? 1124 00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:04.980 Like, you're not allowed to do that to people. 1125 00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:07.320 Like, if the solution had been... 1126 00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:08.579 I think they've got shared memory. 1127 00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:10.139 That's why Peter Hump is like no way. 1128 00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:10.980 No way. 1129 00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:15.239 But, like, if it had been, we're going to stick bombs to spot, and 1130 00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:19.320 we're going to transport spot into the particle fountain, we would 1131 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:21.659 have kind of gone, actually, I think that's really not 1132 00:50:21.659 --> 00:50:22.320 acceptable. 1133 00:50:22.380 --> 00:50:23.099 Do you know what I mean? 1134 00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:24.300 We better don't do that. 1135 00:50:25.139 --> 00:50:28.019 It was the only thing we had left to do. 1136 00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:28.559 Sorry. 1137 00:50:28.739 --> 00:50:31.019 But do you know what I mean? 1138 00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:32.760 we have to are on the side of them. 1139 00:50:32.820 --> 00:50:37.139 If they're sentient beings, we cannot strap bombs to them and and 1140 00:50:37.139 --> 00:50:41.400 like, even if it's going to save Picard, but shouldn't there be 1141 00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:42.300 some sort of fallback? 1142 00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.300 He has disobeyed an order. shouldn't he be punished for this? 1143 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:46.800 Yeah, but they do that all the time on this. 1144 00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:47.880 Do you know what I mean? 1145 00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:52.380 It's not quite as bad as Garak murdering a guy. and then... 1146 00:50:52.380 --> 00:50:58.260 No, because you said it at the end, well, you know why. 1147 00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.900 You shouldn't have taken me with her, you know? 1148 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:04.019 I've got that murderous gloom in my eye all the time. 1149 00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:06.360 I do agree with what Riker says, though. 1150 00:51:06.420 --> 00:51:10.619 He does go, this is a hell of a risk that you're taking. on our 1151 00:51:10.619 --> 00:51:11.159 supposition. 1152 00:51:11.219 --> 00:51:15.119 The way he plays it too, where he says, I'll unlock the 1153 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:20.159 transporter thing, if they agree, and Riker smiles and says fair 1154 00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.579 enough, and then they walk out, like he's not a dick bag about 1155 00:51:23.579 --> 00:51:23.820 it. 1156 00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:29.219 He's Riker, you know, like, and he respects, he respects data. 1157 00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:31.260 I think it's really, really well actors. 1158 00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:35.940 And, well, plus, they can't really do sustain conflict on this 1159 00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:36.780 show. 1160 00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:38.039 No, but I don't want them to. 1161 00:51:38.099 --> 00:51:39.179 I think that's boring. 1162 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:42.539 I think, you know, people think that drama is conflict, but I 1163 00:51:42.539 --> 00:51:43.380 don't think it has to be. 1164 00:51:43.500 --> 00:51:44.699 It don't have to be boring. 1165 00:51:44.820 --> 00:51:46.920 No, conflict doesn't have to be boring. 1166 00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:47.880 But it often is. 1167 00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:48.840 Like it can be. 1168 00:51:48.900 --> 00:51:52.260 Like, the idea that Star Trek, the Next Generation is boring 1169 00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:55.199 because there's no interpersonal conflict between the characters, I 1170 00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:56.400 think, is wrong. 1171 00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:59.820 You better speak to the writers then, because they all thought 1172 00:51:59.820 --> 00:52:01.019 that come at the end of the series. 1173 00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:04.920 Yeah, they're super lazy then, because that's a formal constraint 1174 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:06.539 that they should be placing on themselves. 1175 00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:10.800 I think it's, I think that people working together to achieve 1176 00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:15.539 something who have differences of opinion or who face obstacles. 1177 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:19.260 It doesn't have to be... can be boring as well. 1178 00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.440 People working together to achieve a goal. 1179 00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:24.539 So that can be very dumb. be beachy conflict. 1180 00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:26.400 Like that's not in itself interesting either. 1181 00:52:26.460 --> 00:52:27.900 That's what I'm saying. 1182 00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:29.820 I don't think that conflict is necessary. 1183 00:52:30.300 --> 00:52:32.940 The trouble with this show is these characters are so sort of ill 1184 00:52:32.940 --> 00:52:37.559 formed. the regulars that the conflict is frequently. it feels 1185 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:42.179 very unbelievable Whereas if they're working together as a team 1186 00:52:42.179 --> 00:52:43.980 well, that's just built into their characters because they are 1187 00:52:43.980 --> 00:52:45.659 their jobs. jobs. yeah that's right. 1188 00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:51.900 So there are only 2 exocomp props built. 1189 00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:52.739 I can see three. 1190 00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:55.980 So one of them is matted into that shot. 1191 00:52:56.039 --> 00:53:01.019 Um, So, yeah, they only been too. 1192 00:53:01.019 --> 00:53:02.940 I didn't waste that new special effects budget. 1193 00:53:02.940 --> 00:53:03.599 No. 1194 00:53:03.659 --> 00:53:05.039 So it's seamless. 1195 00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:09.420 But they're just sort of hanging there on strings, which is, which 1196 00:53:09.420 --> 00:53:10.199 is kind of awesome. 1197 00:53:10.260 --> 00:53:11.940 And they've put new wibbly. 1198 00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:13.559 See, this is another thing. 1199 00:53:13.739 --> 00:53:16.739 On the one that's matted in, is he sort of bobbing up down as 1200 00:53:16.739 --> 00:53:18.059 well? 1201 00:53:18.179 --> 00:53:21.960 So he's the one that's very stationary. 1202 00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:23.940 No, because they're all wobbling. 1203 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:27.840 I'm guessing that it's like three, you know, they've shot actual 1204 00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.719 just live footage of the XOcoms in different positions and then 1205 00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:31.619 have mattered them together. 1206 00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:33.300 It's not like computer generated. 1207 00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:35.460 I think it's just footage that they've kind of combined. 1208 00:53:35.579 --> 00:53:38.280 What I think is super interesting and no one says anything is that 1209 00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:42.360 data is able to tell what is happening between the XO comps and 1210 00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.420 what they're doing by looking at that beam because he has a 1211 00:53:45.420 --> 00:53:45.960 visor. 1212 00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:47.880 Don't you think? 1213 00:53:47.940 --> 00:53:51.480 And so that just enables him to kind of read. 1214 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:52.019 That it. 1215 00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:52.559 Oh, sorry. 1216 00:53:52.619 --> 00:53:53.639 Yeah, Geordie. 1217 00:53:53.699 --> 00:53:57.420 Geordie, when he looks at the, at the, at the beams that are going 1218 00:53:57.420 --> 00:53:58.800 between the exocomps. 1219 00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:02.460 Oh, look at them all standing in a roadway. 1220 00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:04.739 Look at the little... 1221 00:54:07.739 --> 00:54:10.079 Oh, there's only one left. 1222 00:54:10.139 --> 00:54:10.679 Oh, no. 1223 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:13.440 He's the brave one who stayed behind. 1224 00:54:13.739 --> 00:54:17.400 One of them should turn around and just go bleep, bleep, bleep. 1225 00:54:17.460 --> 00:54:18.960 He wanted to sacrifice himself. 1226 00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:20.880 That's right. 1227 00:54:22.139 --> 00:54:26.400 I suppose there had to be some form of self-sacrifice, you know, so 1228 00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:27.659 we so we feel for them. 1229 00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:29.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1230 00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:32.219 And I thought that was good, actually, because everyone kind of 1231 00:54:32.219 --> 00:54:34.679 felt it with them, and now here we go. 1232 00:54:34.739 --> 00:54:37.800 Here's relaxed Dr. Farallon, who's much more chill. 1233 00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:43.079 And Picard's changing his way out. 40 minutes left to determine 1234 00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:44.639 the fate of the ex-coms now. 1235 00:54:44.699 --> 00:54:47.639 Like, now, now we've decided that they are a life form. 1236 00:54:47.699 --> 00:54:51.780 Um, she just goes, well, I won't be treating them as simple tools 1237 00:54:51.780 --> 00:54:52.079 doctor. 1238 00:54:52.139 --> 00:54:54.119 Yeah, yeah, but that's okay. 1239 00:54:54.179 --> 00:54:55.019 Do you know what I mean? 1240 00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:58.139 Like, in a way we don't really need this scene all that much, but 1241 00:54:58.139 --> 00:54:59.880 that's what Star Trek does. 1242 00:54:59.940 --> 00:55:01.440 It has to have a closing off scene. 1243 00:55:01.500 --> 00:55:08.340 In memory, Alfred said that Frakes wanted a closing scene where 1244 00:55:08.340 --> 00:55:10.980 you know, they're about to shave their beard. or something. 1245 00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:11.639 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1246 00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:12.840 But we never go back to it. 1247 00:55:12.900 --> 00:55:15.599 Oh, I love this line. 1248 00:55:15.780 --> 00:55:20.579 I thought you might, you know, you might want to know why I was 1249 00:55:20.579 --> 00:55:23.880 willing to risk your life for the sake of several small machines. 1250 00:55:23.940 --> 00:55:25.860 It's such a funny line. 1251 00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:30.960 And Picard just goes, no, no, I understand. 1252 00:55:32.699 --> 00:55:35.099 I am a bit annoying. 1253 00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:40.019 But I mean, it's like, you know, like, like, you know, as we tick 1254 00:55:40.019 --> 00:55:43.980 the boxes of your standard TNG episode, it also has a tidy ending 1255 00:55:43.980 --> 00:55:45.960 with no read the customs, whatever. 1256 00:55:46.019 --> 00:55:46.500 That's right. 1257 00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:49.559 It's almost like the textbook TNG. 1258 00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:53.460 Was it was it the self-sacrifice, the fact that one of them stayed 1259 00:55:53.460 --> 00:55:58.500 behind to save the other 2 that made it clear. 1260 00:55:58.500 --> 00:56:01.260 Because remember, they're responsible for the entire plan at this 1261 00:56:01.260 --> 00:56:01.559 point. 1262 00:56:01.619 --> 00:56:06.719 They change the plan, they make their own things, they transport 1263 00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:07.860 to a different place. 1264 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:10.380 You know, like it's all down to them. 1265 00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:13.800 And then because one of them sacrifices himself to save the other 1266 00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:16.679 two, that means that they're definitely people. 1267 00:56:16.739 --> 00:56:19.260 That's how you know. 1268 00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.619 Um, you know, like there's survival instincts, but animals have 1269 00:56:22.619 --> 00:56:24.840 those and animals are important. 1270 00:56:24.900 --> 00:56:26.940 You can't just treat animals however you want. 1271 00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:27.599 Do you know what I mean? 1272 00:56:27.659 --> 00:56:28.679 Like, although we do. 1273 00:56:28.739 --> 00:56:30.360 Yeah, I don't know. 1274 00:56:30.420 --> 00:56:34.739 And do we not seen another X-Comp now until that finale episode of 1275 00:56:34.739 --> 00:56:35.280 Lower Decks? 1276 00:56:35.699 --> 00:56:38.820 I know I know what you're going to say, but it does feel like a 1277 00:56:38.820 --> 00:56:39.119 waste. 1278 00:56:39.179 --> 00:56:41.639 Yeah, but you know, I feel like we've sort of gone through the 1279 00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:42.420 motions for a reason. 1280 00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:44.699 Yeah, we were never going to see them again. 1281 00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:48.300 I think it would have been odd to be, you know, just because of 1282 00:56:48.300 --> 00:56:52.920 what this show is, you know, later on, uh, Star Trek will be 1283 00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:56.039 trying to create a coherent story set in a particular place, but 1284 00:56:56.039 --> 00:57:01.559 this is still, you know, I know it's, it's what, the ninth season 1285 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:06.539 of Star Trek, but uh, it's still early days by sort of overall 1286 00:57:06.539 --> 00:57:08.099 standards for Star Trek, I think. 1287 00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:13.619 Next week will be, you know, uh, going undercover to see if the 1288 00:57:13.619 --> 00:57:16.860 Cardassians are developing a mutagenic weapon. 1289 00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:20.880 Um, and, and, oh, they go down, there's a wonderful shot from 1290 00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:25.380 Stockcave Set number 52 where they scale that, that huge, that 1291 00:57:25.380 --> 00:57:26.280 huge cliff face. 1292 00:57:28.380 --> 00:57:33.300 Yeah, I don't know how to summarise this, because I acknowledge 1293 00:57:33.300 --> 00:57:36.539 absolutely everything that you're saying, and I do think this is a 1294 00:57:36.539 --> 00:57:38.579 good episode of Star Trek. 1295 00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:41.099 I just don't think I like Star Trek very much. 1296 00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:48.840 I think it's absolutely fair to say that it's talky and worthy and 1297 00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:52.800 that it's not that visually interesting beyond just the interest 1298 00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:57.300 that there is in those sets, which, you know, like a variable 1299 00:57:57.300 --> 00:58:00.719 quality, but certainly bigger and more interesting than the sets 1300 00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:04.920 in Voyager last week, for instance, I think I think I can make a 1301 00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:08.099 comparison, you know, because do you remember when you and I did 1302 00:58:08.099 --> 00:58:08.940 profit motive? 1303 00:58:09.059 --> 00:58:14.579 And and you enjoyed it, but, you know, you could absolutely see it 1304 00:58:14.579 --> 00:58:15.659 was a bit of a nothing episode. 1305 00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:19.679 And I said to you, yeah, but I don't care because this is my 1st 1306 00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:23.519 love, and these are my characters, and this is my station, and I 1307 00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:26.039 just love hanging with these people, and I'll give it a free pass 1308 00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:26.460 for that. 1309 00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:30.599 Well, this does have things to say, but it is your 1st love. 1310 00:58:30.659 --> 00:58:34.679 The characters you love in a very relaxed situation, doing what 1311 00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.679 they do best, talking about the sort of stuff that interests you. 1312 00:58:37.739 --> 00:58:41.760 So I absolutely see why you really adored this. 1313 00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:45.239 And I think I think too, like we talk dismissively about Next 1314 00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:48.000 Generation as, you know, a thing where the characters are 1315 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:49.380 basically their jobs. 1316 00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:55.440 But that show, the thing which we, which I sometimes call, you 1317 00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.800 know, competent people solving space problems or likeable 1318 00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:00.659 competent people solving space problems. 1319 00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:02.760 I like that show, you know? 1320 00:59:02.820 --> 00:59:05.039 And I like it when Discovery does that. 1321 00:59:05.099 --> 00:59:07.500 I like it when other versions of Star Trek do that. 1322 00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:12.659 I'm glad that Star Trek is now capable of doing more things than 1323 00:59:12.659 --> 00:59:16.139 just that, but I'm glad that it does do that. 1324 00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:18.599 And I think this did that quite well. 1325 00:59:18.659 --> 00:59:24.900 Let's be honest. 15000000 other people thought that as well on a 1326 00:59:24.900 --> 00:59:26.280 regular basis at this point. 1327 00:59:26.340 --> 00:59:28.320 So who cares what I think? 1328 00:59:34.980 --> 00:59:39.059 All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to 1329 00:59:39.059 --> 00:59:40.380 work out where we're going next. 1330 00:59:40.500 --> 00:59:46.079 This was your excellent choice, and I am going to try and make 1331 00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:48.000 another excellent choice. 1332 00:59:48.059 --> 00:59:53.159 It's been some time since we've been here, but we are going either 1333 00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:58.860 backwards or forwards in time to visit the crew of the USS 1334 00:59:58.860 --> 00:59:59.519 Discovery. 1335 00:59:59.579 --> 01:00:02.280 Oh, it has been some time. 1336 01:00:02.340 --> 01:00:03.179 It has been wild. 1337 01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:07.079 Yeah, I nearly did Discovery the other week, but then, oh, no, I 1338 01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:08.340 put all the Christmas in, didn't I? 1339 01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:12.059 And obviously lower desk came up and we couldn't say no to that. 1340 01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:12.840 No, exactly. 1341 01:00:12.900 --> 01:00:13.860 All right. 1342 01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:15.420 So I'm going to press the button. 1343 01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:17.760 It's always a little bit tricky because I'm not as familiar with 1344 01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:20.639 the names of these, but we'll see how we go. 1345 01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:27.480 Okay, so this is season four, episode one. 1346 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.300 Kobayashi Maru. 1347 01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:33.840 Season four, episode one. we done that one? 1348 01:00:33.900 --> 01:00:35.280 No, we haven't. 1349 01:00:35.340 --> 01:00:42.480 One of the things about it is that, in a way, this is a series 2 1350 01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:48.480 episode one for Discovery, because of course, series 3 is the 1351 01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:50.280 series where we go to the future. 1352 01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:54.480 And we did, I think, do the 1st episode of series three. 1353 01:00:54.539 --> 01:00:58.019 So this is the 1st episode of series four. 1354 01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:05.519 So jam a summary, and he gives this one BEM, so 2.5 stars. 1355 01:01:05.579 --> 01:01:07.320 So it's as good as BEM. 1356 01:01:07.380 --> 01:01:08.340 So that's promising. 1357 01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:12.539 With work underway to reestablish and expand the federation, the 1358 01:01:12.539 --> 01:01:16.800 discovery must undertake a dangerous rescue operation to save the 1359 01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:19.980 crew of a space station threatened with destruction. 1360 01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:26.039 Now, I don't actually normally like just, you know, going with the 1361 01:01:26.039 --> 01:01:28.980 1st one because it's kind of fun to roll around and talk about 1362 01:01:28.980 --> 01:01:33.179 things, but I really, really love series 2, episode one of 1363 01:01:33.179 --> 01:01:38.099 anything and just seeing what they do here because I think series 1364 01:01:38.099 --> 01:01:44.699 4 of Discovery might be my favourite series of the whole run. 1365 01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:46.260 I like one a lot. 1366 01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:48.360 I think 2 is maybe the weakest. 1367 01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:52.380 I think 3 is super interesting because we've got the new premise. 1368 01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:55.980 And then I think 4 tries to tell a really, really interesting 1369 01:01:55.980 --> 01:01:57.780 science fiction story. 1370 01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:01.380 I think it gets the serialisation, absolutely right. 1371 01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:04.380 And, you know, like I think it's really solid. 1372 01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:09.360 And then 5 is a kind of fun coder, which is a little bit light and 1373 01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:13.139 maybe something that we needed to do before the show ended. 1374 01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:19.980 But I am kind of keen to do something that sets up series 4 and 1375 01:02:19.980 --> 01:02:23.880 kind of sends the show off in a what ends up being a pretty good 1376 01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:24.480 new direction. 1377 01:02:24.539 --> 01:02:29.219 I'd be quite interested to see how this all kicks off because you 1378 01:02:29.219 --> 01:02:32.940 and I have already covered, but to connect and all in, which is 2 1379 01:02:32.940 --> 01:02:36.119 episodes back to back right in the middle of the season, sort of 1380 01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.340 the cliffhanger in the middle of the season and then where it 1381 01:02:38.340 --> 01:02:38.940 picks up. 1382 01:02:38.940 --> 01:02:43.559 And But to Connect was a really good character drama. 1383 01:02:43.619 --> 01:02:45.659 I was slightly less impressed by all in. 1384 01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:51.420 But it did some interesting things with Michael and book. 1385 01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:51.719 Yeah. 1386 01:02:51.780 --> 01:02:53.760 Yeah, let's do it. 1387 01:02:53.820 --> 01:02:54.599 Let's do it. 1388 01:02:54.659 --> 01:02:57.239 I mean, with discovery, I don't really know until we watch the 1389 01:02:57.239 --> 01:02:57.599 episode. 1390 01:02:57.659 --> 01:02:59.280 I know so little about this show. 1391 01:02:59.340 --> 01:03:02.820 And wherever you stick the pin in, it could be a completely 1392 01:03:02.820 --> 01:03:04.139 different show if I'm honest. 1393 01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:06.300 Yeah, whatever season you choose. 1394 01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:07.739 Kubahashi Maru. 1395 01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:08.579 Why is that? 1396 01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:09.179 I know that. 1397 01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:10.800 Oh, is that the Captain Kirk's? 1398 01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:12.059 No win scenario. 1399 01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:12.599 Yeah. 1400 01:03:12.659 --> 01:03:13.380 Yeah. 1401 01:03:13.380 --> 01:03:14.820 Okay. 1402 01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:18.239 Wow, series 4. let's kick it off Let's do it. 1403 01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:30.000 You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford 1404 01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:31.199 and Nathan Bottomley. 1405 01:03:31.260 --> 01:03:34.860 We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find 1406 01:03:34.860 --> 01:03:37.619 subscription links and links to our social media accounts. 1407 01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:41.579 Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceron, and the theme was 1408 01:03:41.579 --> 01:03:43.260 composed by Cameron Lamb. 1409 01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:47.699 This episode was recorded on the 24th of September 2024 and 1410 01:03:47.699 --> 01:03:49.139 released on the 4th of October. 1411 01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:54.119 We'll see you next time for Star Trek Discovery for Bayashima Ru. 1412 01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:12.059 Yeah, I don't have a clue what to do. 1413 01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:13.019 Yeah, I can't even remember it. 1414 01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.420 I wonder if it ends with the anomaly. 1415 01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:16.139 Do you know what I mean? 1416 01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:19.559 Does it end with the anomaly, the DMA attacking something? 1417 01:04:19.619 --> 01:04:24.239 I can't remember, just let me see what German says. 1418 01:04:24.300 --> 01:04:27.780 Yeah, I think it's where all the characters are. 1419 01:04:27.780 --> 01:04:31.079 I think it's... with Quation being destroyed. 1420 01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:34.440 You are right. 1421 01:04:34.500 --> 01:04:36.719 It is a series to episode one in series four. 1422 01:04:36.780 --> 01:04:37.139 Yeah. 1423 01:04:37.260 --> 01:04:44.400 Which is just strange, but, uh, proof of just how mutatable that 1424 01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:46.199 show was. 1425 01:04:46.260 --> 01:04:46.619 Yeah. 1426 01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:49.980 Because it does, because it's a mess because it's their 1st go and 1427 01:04:49.980 --> 01:04:52.619 they fuck it up in all sorts of ways, except they don't. 1428 01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:54.179 I think series 2 fucks about. 1429 01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:57.059 It's all sorts of ways that are great to talk about, Mike. 1430 01:04:57.119 --> 01:04:58.199 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1431 01:04:58.260 --> 01:04:58.860 You know. 1432 01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:01.679 And his successes as well. 1433 01:05:01.739 --> 01:05:04.739 It absolutely has its successes, but yeah, it is. 1434 01:05:04.739 --> 01:05:05.880 I just love those characters. 1435 01:05:05.940 --> 01:05:08.880 It's a slightly confused show, isn't it? 1436 01:05:08.940 --> 01:05:09.420 Yeah. 1437 01:05:09.420 --> 01:05:10.500 Yeah. 1438 01:05:10.619 --> 01:05:15.480 I think, like, I think because series 2, I, because I loved series 1439 01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:20.280 one so much, and the things that it did were so different, so new 1440 01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:22.559 it came back and did something completely new and different. 1441 01:05:22.619 --> 01:05:26.760 And then all of the objections to the things new and different 1442 01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:27.360 that it did. 1443 01:05:27.420 --> 01:05:30.480 And then its response, which was to say, oh yeah, sorry, we 1444 01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:31.260 shouldn't have done that. 1445 01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:35.760 And then, and then you'll have the most Star Treky Star Trek 1446 01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:39.420 you've ever seen. you know, pike spot. that's right. 1447 01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:43.320 But then, you know, the bring it forward into the future just 1448 01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:45.239 makes it visually so interesting. 1449 01:05:45.300 --> 01:05:49.079 Like it opens up a whole new space. where Starfleet Academy's 1450 01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:49.500 going to be. 1451 01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:53.099 So that's a whole, you know, it's not the 24th century anymore. 1452 01:05:53.219 --> 01:05:55.500 It's like the 31st or 2nd or whatever. 1453 01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:59.880 But I don't think like you can only point that at discovery. 1454 01:05:59.940 --> 01:06:02.340 Oh, I mean, DS9 ends where it starts at all. 1455 01:06:02.460 --> 01:06:06.840 Like, the 1st 2 series, like, the 1st series of DS9 is so 1456 01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:08.219 different from like 6 and seven. 1457 01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:12.119 Yeah, but it re, it re, you know, it reboots at four. 1458 01:06:12.179 --> 01:06:13.500 It reboots at three. 1459 01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:14.760 Do you know what I mean? 1460 01:06:14.820 --> 01:06:16.980 Like it adds new things that kind of decides. 1461 01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:18.000 It's surprising though, isn't it? 1462 01:06:18.059 --> 01:06:24.599 TNG and Voyager, less so Enterprise, are the same for 7 seasons 1463 01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:27.539 you know, it's unusual for a show not, sir. 1464 01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:33.719 But I, but, you know, it, um, it, like, Star Trek the next 1465 01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:35.760 generation falters out of the gate. 1466 01:06:35.820 --> 01:06:38.340 It's crap, you know, like it's not good. 1467 01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:42.119 And it wouldn't have lasted unless they'd kind of gone. 1468 01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:44.159 We have to fix this. 1469 01:06:44.219 --> 01:06:47.219 Well, they got better at making it, but it's still like the ship 1470 01:06:47.219 --> 01:06:50.159 you know, the ship going from place to place. 1471 01:06:50.699 --> 01:06:52.079 But they probably make it a different thing. 1472 01:06:52.139 --> 01:06:56.340 Like focussing on the characters in a way, you know, not as much 1473 01:06:56.340 --> 01:07:01.380 as DS9 does, but there's no sign of sort of juggling empires in 1474 01:07:01.380 --> 01:07:03.360 series one of DS9, is there? 1475 01:07:03.420 --> 01:07:06.360 It's all a dreadful TNG knockoffs. 1476 01:07:06.420 --> 01:07:08.579 Which we will have to cover at some point. 1477 01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:12.480 Yeah, mostly bad, but, you know, move along home. 1478 01:07:12.539 --> 01:07:14.639 It's so great though. 1479 01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:17.880 A la Marine. 1480 01:07:18.059 --> 01:07:20.039 I'm a Marine. 1481 01:07:20.099 --> 01:07:21.119 Then free more. 1482 01:07:21.179 --> 01:07:22.559 Where's my fucking agent?