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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, this week, we're back with my first love, which is Star Trek, The Next Generation, and we are in series six.

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It's episode nine, The Quality of Life.

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And I'm going to put my cards right on the table.

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I thought that this was absolutely magnificent.

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Like not Darmok level magnificent, but just an absolutely solid episode of Star Trek that does the sort of things that I want Star Trek to do, I think.

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I'm going to put my cars on the table.

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I knew you were going to think this was magnificent and I sent it out to you in a message because, well, how far into this are we now?

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120 episodes.

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I'm 27 this is.

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You know, I've started to get a grasp of the source Star Trek that you like.

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And that's Star Trek that has something to say has something to say about sort of strange new lives and new civilisations, you know, and how you quantify a life form and all of these sorts of things.

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I was a little bit bored watching this, and I think I've come to a bit of a conclusion about Star Trek and me, and that is, I don't really like Star Trek when it's doing Star Trek, because I acknowledge this is really great Star Trek, and it's saying something in a way that only Star Trek uniquely can in science fiction and it's doing it kind of well as well.

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I do think there were great moments in this, but...

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I don't really care about strange new worlds and new civilisations and all of this.

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I don't really care about androids doing pro rights for other robots.

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None of that stuff, you know, that's that belongs to Albert in far beyond the stars, you know, robots.

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Whereas I think I prefer my Star Trek a little more cynical than this, a little more muscular.

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Um, a little more thick with incident and and a little, because like this was very A to B to see TNG plotting.

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And this was very laxly directed, I thought, for the most part, even though it was Jonathan Frakes.

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So one of the things that strikes me is that last week we did an episode that was reasonably similar, which was Voyager's Death Wish.

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In that, it was very Star Trek.

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It had a moral question that it posed and discussed, and for that, I actually thought it was worse than you thought it was.

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I just thought that was a better bit of television.

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It was Pacio.

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It was funnier.

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I thought it was better written. deaf wish than this.

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You see, I think because Death Wish helps itself to kind of the magic thing.

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You know, that cheats a little bit.

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And I did think it was less clever than it thought it was.

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What I really liked here was that this version of Star Trek, unlike Voyager, is still the competent people solving space problems thing rather than competent people or God knows what kind of people in the Delta Quadrant trying to get home.

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And so this is them doing their normal job.

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Like they're doing something that's really kind of bureaucratic, which is they're deciding whether to approve this new mining technology.

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Like all of that stuff is so Star Trek.

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The 1st scene.

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Establish colony, planet, latex people, scientific problem.

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I was like, this couldn't be more cliche TNG if you tried.

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And it very quickly becomes uncliche to energy.

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But that establishing scene, I was like, oh, boy.

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Well, it's exactly the thing that Lower Decks is making fun of, that version of Star Trek.

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So that's something that I really love.

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And I love Voyager as well, but this is kind of my 1st love, and this is doing something sort of very purely Star Trek.

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And I acknowledge that it's very talky, that it's very slow.

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It really, really lacks any urgency.

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There's the whole scene where Picard and Geordie are trapped on board the station, and there's radiation flooding in, and somehow, I was like, that manages to be really not very exciting.

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I know, you're going to love.

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You're absolutely going to love the moment where they give the execomp the choice to go in and sacrifice itself or not.

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And I was just like, oh, this is so fucking tweed.

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Of course that cutesy wootsy little robot is going to go in there and do the right thing.

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This is Star Trek.

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Well, except, so, and that's the other thing.

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Two weeks ago, we had peanut hamper and all throughout this.

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And even in the lead up, yeah, even in the lead up, to us watching this, I began to kick myself about peanut hamper because the conception is, obviously, and I said this at the time, making an exocomp, a member of Starfleet, is absolutely the next kind of progression.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It's like, well, a Klingon becomes a member of Starfleet, a Ferengi becomes a member of Starfleet, and then, obviously, an Exocom becomes a member of Starfleet.

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But the trouble with that is that it's established that the exocomps will burn out their own control circuitry in order to avoid going and sacrificing their life in some way.

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And so that's what you have peanut hamper being confronted with.

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She's given the decision.

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Do I sacrifice my life to save these people?

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And she says, uh, yeah, no, sucks to be organic. you know, smell you later, which is so funny and so brilliant.

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And it, why are we so hard on a robot that makes our choice?

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Even a person made that short.

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We'd be like, well, fair enough. yeah.

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Yeah, but the people don't make that choice on Star Trek.

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They were so boring.

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No, they'd all sacrifice themselves. yeah.

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They're very noble.

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So that is kind of fun because the situation that peanut hamper gets placed in is the situation that we see, the exo-coms in this episode having to deal with and somehow I had stupidly never made that link, I think that's pretty great.

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But I would like to say that peanut hamper was also, you know, like scathingly insulting to everybody and witty and had huge personality and was just one and defied Star Trek conventions in so many ways that made that episode such a joy to Watts.

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Whereas this little sort of stubby robot, clearly on a wire. going up and down the Jeffrey St.

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Nomad tradition.

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That's right.

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You could almost all see it wobbling, can't you, when it starts rising in the air.

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Oh, I don't know.

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It was a bit twee for me.

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And I get it.

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And there is this whole sort of subgenre or trek, there is very twee and has these sort of morals about life.

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And I think it is absolutely right that the majority of Star Trek fans love that stuff.

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But I watched Chain of Command after this.

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Okay.

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And I was just immediately sat up in my chair at Jellico being a total bastard to me. on the bridge, them going on this dangerous mission.

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It was the politicking with the Cardassians.

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It was just so packed with plot substance, you know, and and just guts to it that I was like, yeah, that's the sort of Star Trek I like.

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So I acknowledge this is good.

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I'm not sure it's as well executed as it could be.

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But I acknowledge this is good telly and good Star Trek.

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Oh, I just don't think it's for me.

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And I said, unfortunate place to start.

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But you can tell me all the wonderful things about it.

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I will, I will.

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But I have to acknowledge that every criticism that you level at it is true.

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And, you know, as someone who thinks that TV should be visual, This is very stately.

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It's people standing around in standing sets, plus that very small extra green set, which is not very good and, you know.

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So there was one point, right?

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There was one point where I noticed, and it was the only point where the direction really stood out to me, was when he put the camera right at the back of the engineering set, and he sort of slowly panning through it, Data's in this sort of cubby hole right over there, and he sort of heading in as Dr. Beverly comes to visit him.

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And I was like, my God, it was the only thing I noticed.

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And you know me, I always noticed the direction.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, it's sort of well done, but it's not particularly flashy or very interesting and it's visually not very interesting.

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Before we go in, though, I do want to say one thing, which is that I think that of the episodes of Star Trek, the Next Generation, we've watched, this is Gates' best performance.

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Oh, by mild.

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That's included in the episodes that were about Dr. Beverly, because even in Remembering Me, which we laughed.

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And she had great moments, but she was still sort of staring off camera, reciting the Techna Babble quite a bit and looking uncomfortable.

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Boy, she's relaxed.

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She's having great fun in the 1st scene, telling all the guys well.

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If you lose, you've got to cut all your beards off, you know.

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I was like, who is this person in front of me, you know?

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I don't recognise her?

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Yeah, she was wonderful.

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But I thought there were some nice moments for a lot of the regulars.

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They are such a well-oiled machine at this point.

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And you can kind of put any shitty dialogue in their mouths and you'll see the relaxed chemistry between all of them.

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And it's there in space.

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Yeah, this is the point at which they're really, really, you know, maximally relaxed.

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I mean, the following year is not going to be particularly great.

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Well, no, they're so relaxed at that and they stop writing as well.

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So, like, yeah.

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But, you know, this is the version of Star Trek that I fell in love with, and this is a particularly good example of that version of Star Trek.

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It is, as I said, not Dharmok level Star Trek, but it is pretty solid and pretty likeable.

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And I'm very happy to be here watching it this evening.

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I sort of stepped back from my opinion of this and started thinking, okay, so this was an enormous rate in success at this point where fans and non-fans were watching this together.

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Can I see why that might be the case?

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And I was like, yeah, because you do have a strong ensemble of actors who are having great fun together.

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It is tackling intelligent themes.

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It is working to a formula, which people like in television, right?

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They like relaxing into a formula of a particular show where it's not going to stress you out too much watching it.

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And it's competently made.

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So yeah, I can absolutely see why this was working like gangbusters for Berman pillar at the moment.

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I'm just pleased DS9 was just around the corner. you know?

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I think that's fair.

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I think that's absolutely fair All right, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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Let's play poker.

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Come on.

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All right.

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I'll count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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And we're off.

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Now, this seems an important scene because it's the source of the Geordie La Forge Drake posting meme.

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And so we will see him both approving and disapproving of something, which is pretty awesome.

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I think this...

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It's also one of the very few times where, like you say, something that's happening outside the television show is impacting the television show because Geordie LeFord obviously never has a beard usually, but LeVar Burton, Arsenal producers. getting married next week.

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I want my beard for my wedding and this is me at my best.

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Can I please have the beers?

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And they said, all right, we'll put in a scene.

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So they've written the scene especially for his beard.

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So he has a beard in the offspring, but not in the the episode before or after that.

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And he has this beard for a few episodes.

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I think he looks as hot as ever.

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This is...

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He should have kept it the whole time.

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There's Laval. ever looks.

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He's stunning here.

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I mean, I'm still agonised on the loss of his beautiful eyes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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In every scene, I'll see you in, but it's ridiculous.

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But yes, he looks really hot here.

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And this scene is so great because there he is.

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Yes, he's approving.

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Um, so Beverly is so great in this scene.

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She's really good.

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She's got all these men wrapped around her finger.

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There is a kind of weird relationship between her and Riker, which I really like, and again, it's mostly from the actors because no one's really consistently writing character stuff for anyone in this show, really.

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But they have...

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Dr. Beverly can remember when Odan was inside Riker and they had it off that time.

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Yeah.

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Ever since then there's been a little spark.

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There is a little spark of chemistry, I think, between them.

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Um, and she's absolutely playing them all because they're being men and, and, you know, beards are a whatever, um, and she compares it to like lipstick and nail polish and stuff.

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It says that it's just a lot.

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But then when she when she started talking about when she was a brunette when she was 13, she couldn't die air back fast enough.

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I'm like, my God, she's talking like a real person.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I didn't know she was capable.

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The last time we saw this was when she was dancing with Data, a day of day.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. it's really good And she will come back and do some more traditional Star Trek scenes with techno Babylon stuff, and it will still be as relaxed and likeable as she is in this scene.

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I think it's really good.

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Here we go.

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No, I love all of this.

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And you know, I can see why the poker scenes, they did them again and again and again, because it's just a chance for these wonderful actors to just sit around a table together and bask in their chemistry.

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Because often the poker scenes do have something thematic to do with the episode, but this one has nothing at all to do with it.

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It really is.

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It's just to excuse the bit.

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I mean, I mean, nowadays, a character would just have a beard one week and you wouldn't even comment on it.

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That happened before.

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We don't need to comment on it.

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So that show there.

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Do you remember when, do you remember when, just go have that beard before he had his real beard?

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It was terrible.

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The shot, the exterior with the particle fountain with the orbital station and stuff just looks like a lower decks scene to me. you know.

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It looks like a pin flying in space.

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I mean, awesome.

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It looks great.

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So this is Ellen Bry, as Dr. Farrellon.

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She is our basically our only guest star this week.

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I think she's pretty good.

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I don't know why these 2 are so angry at each other in this scene.

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I don't quite get.

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They don't seem to quite work out what she's supposed to be like. realistic.

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Yeah.

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They do write Georgie as being an angry prick quite a lot.

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I know what that is.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, remember when he was angry at Leo Broms, when he was angry at Scotty?

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I mean, he just gets angry for no reason at all.

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I mean, he's got a very boring job.

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I can understand.

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Maybe that's it.

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But I thought she was pretty good as well.

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And I thought, this is an actor that's come in, and I've got a quote from Jonathan Frakes on memory Alfred, who said he tried out all these actresses, who were just drowning in this hideous techno babble that she has to say, and she just came in and said it as if that was her 2nd language.

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Yeah.

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So that's why she got the job and she is great.

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She's kind of clipped and crisp and on it.

214
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She's keeping pace with LeVar.

215
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Um, you know, if you can keep pace with Lavard and Tether Babble.

216
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Yeah, well, you're doing something right.

217
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Yeah.

218
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But it isn't a very promising premise. you know, like we're assessing this mining technology.

219
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It's a very dull set, this as well.

220
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Yeah, the set isn't very good, is it?

221
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And it's tiny. it's so small Oh, a bit of hardheld camera work.

222
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Yeah, I didn't notice that the 1st time.

223
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It's sort of tilted, just a little camera around.

224
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She was doing something. falling overacting.

225
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Think about what you do with drones these days.

226
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Now, this object, this is going to appear.

227
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You know the thing with the, it's got 2 tubes of flashing lights in it.

228
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It's a piece of equipment.

229
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That 1st appears in Star Trek 2, and it's visible in Star Trek 5, and it's in about like a bunch of Star Trek, the Next Generation episodes and some Voyager episodes.

230
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It's just out of shot.

231
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Ill point it out.

232
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It plays a starring role and there it is.

233
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There it is, those light tube things there.

234
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That piece of equipment is in every episode just about.

235
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And they do put it in a lower decks episode as well. even though it's just a drawing, obviously, of that equipment.

236
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Yeah, do you know, I say this to you a lot, but you know you're winning at life when you're cataloguing how many times, you know, a piece of technology appears in a next generation episode. thing is so visible and so definitely a Star Trek, the Next Generation thing.

237
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I wonder if there's any TSLots.

238
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We should keep an eye out parrot in order not in anything.

239
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I did a bit of research.

240
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Oh, okay.

241
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They've got their own thing they use all the time.

242
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It's in Data Law, subtly human, Retrospect, Pathfinder Inside Man.

243
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And it's in an episode of Enterprise.

244
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It's in Cold Station 12.

245
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Oh, everything but...

246
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Everything's fine there.

247
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It's not.

248
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Oh, look at him coming out of the string.

249
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On its string.

250
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It sort of wobbles like a barfell model worm, you know?

251
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Oh, nomad's alive, isn't he?

252
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He's got these little antennas that wibble out of his head as well. very cute.

253
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Don't you remember those antennas going alarmingly or ranked when Peanut Hamper and Rowder were about to have...

254
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I try to forget about that, if I'm honest.

255
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But yeah.

256
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Frank, you very much.

257
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Yeah, the snocking.

258
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I think it's an incredibly good design, don't you?

259
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I think it's really great I don't know how you say in a name.

260
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Is it Naran Shankar?

261
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That's the Ry of that episode.

262
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Naran Shankar.

263
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Um, said that she's, she, he?

264
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Hey, they foresaw the exacomp as something a bit more functional, you know?

265
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Um, and he thought that because it was such a such a cute design, you know, that everyone would fall in love with.

266
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It's sort of, it does tell you where the episode's going.

267
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Yeah, yeah.

268
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Yeah, because you have feelings for it.

269
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I think that's the right idea.

270
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If it had been, if it had been just a bit of equipment and there were times when they just decided, oh, it's going to be just bits of equipment that are sentient and we can't use it.

271
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But it might have been more surprising.

272
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Yeah, it had just been a bit of equipment.

273
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You know, you've got to have data prioritise its rights over rescuing Geordie Picard.

274
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And if they're just sort of toasters or whatever, you know, like we have to feel that they're cute, I think, and that's the right decision.

275
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That's why Peter Humper works so brilliantly, because obviously she is one of those very cute endcons and she's just a cub, isn't she?

276
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So, no, Shaker becomes quite a big deal towards the end of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

277
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And so his 1st his 1st one is the 1st duty, which is co-written with Ronald D. Moore.

278
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Fabulous.

279
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And he does the teleplay for face of the enemy.

280
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But he does some duds as well.

281
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So he co-writes suspicions with Joe Manosky.

282
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Oh, I mean, I mean, that is terrible, but in a very, very funny way.

283
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He does great standard.

284
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Gambit, force of nature, homeward, preemptive strike, and Babel in Deep Space 9, which we've already torn to pieces, obviously.

285
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Oh, no, we haven't.

286
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Have we done it?

287
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Have we done babel?

288
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No.

289
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We haven't done babel.

290
00:20:31.140 --> 00:20:32.700
No, that's the aphasia virus.

291
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That's terrible.

292
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And the quickening.

293
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He does the quickening too, which is pretty good.

294
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Really?

295
00:20:38.099 --> 00:20:39.240
Yeah, that's a good episode.

296
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And heroes and demons, which is not a good episode.

297
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So, um, So, I think, I think my problem is so. like, look, look at him holding that.

298
00:20:47.339 --> 00:20:48.539
Now, it's like he's holding a door.

299
00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:49.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

300
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Oh, no, I know that's got life to it.

301
00:20:51.420 --> 00:20:51.960
Look at it.

302
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Take a little puppy.

303
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Even though the script has given me no indication at this point that that is a cute little dog robot, but I mean, it just looks like...

304
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The design is giving you that.

305
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Yeah.

306
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Yeah.

307
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Yeah.

308
00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.119
Well, I think that's good.

309
00:21:06.180 --> 00:21:08.579
Or it's just sort of like, oh, I want one, you know?

310
00:21:08.700 --> 00:21:10.619
Yeah, is that going to be in the shops at Christmas?

311
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I want it.

312
00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:15.900
In fact, that's what's interesting, isn't it?

313
00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:25.019
Because it's not quite life in the sense that data is life, and I'm not quite sure, but it still has rights if it is alive.

314
00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:26.759
And like all of that stuff.

315
00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:42.240
You know, that, the moment towards the end of the episode where, where he says to Picard, where Data says to Picard, you defended me in the season 2 episode measure of a man, and we're all kind of going, oh my god, it's a continuity reference, that never happens.

316
00:21:42.299 --> 00:21:46.680
But, you know, relitigating this stuff, that's what Star Trek should do.

317
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Look at the inside of it.

318
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It looks so cool.

319
00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:57.660
Did you see that bit of dialogue there on the scrutiny as I walked down the corridor, they just go, well, yes, you know, it modulates the asynchronous shielding of the delivery.

320
00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:00.720
And then she went, she went, she went, oh, really?

321
00:22:00.779 --> 00:22:01.680
How fascinating.

322
00:22:01.740 --> 00:22:03.599
I was just like, oh, please.

323
00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:06.359
I love that dialogue.

324
00:22:06.420 --> 00:22:09.599
It is so over the top that even Geordie has left out.

325
00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:11.640
So the 2 of them in that ring.

326
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He just holds the dog.

327
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I'll carry the dog then.

328
00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:18.180
He can't even contribute.

329
00:22:18.180 --> 00:22:20.279
And he's the king of chicken.

330
00:22:20.339 --> 00:22:23.279
Like, that technobap is so deliberately over the top and Wonderful.

331
00:22:23.339 --> 00:22:24.539
I just thought that was brilliant.

332
00:22:24.779 --> 00:22:27.059
It reminds me of that scene.

333
00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:33.779
Do you remember of Neelix in Threshold, where at the end of the scene, they talk a lot of Tetler Babble, he just goes, I have no idea what they were talking about.

334
00:22:34.019 --> 00:22:37.140
Putting Geordie in that position is pretty clever.

335
00:22:37.500 --> 00:22:39.960
I was thinking as well, right?

336
00:22:40.019 --> 00:22:45.059
Like, obviously, they've used the same ex-comp design for lower decks because that is the ex-comp design.

337
00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:51.240
But if they were designing it now, and it would have all these fabulous CGI appendages coming out, wouldn't it?

338
00:22:51.299 --> 00:23:04.920
And it'll be able to do lots of impressive things, but all this thing does is something materialises in the front of it. and it sort of goes in and out. like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. and the lights go.

339
00:23:04.980 --> 00:23:06.420
That's really all.

340
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.819
But I mean, nomad didn't do anything.

341
00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:10.859
It just sort of wandered around on a string.

342
00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:13.980
It didn't have little bits, little motors in it moving things around.

343
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:15.839
It had flashing lights, didn't it?

344
00:23:16.140 --> 00:23:19.200
No mat just flew about all over the place.

345
00:23:19.259 --> 00:23:20.099
It was wonderful.

346
00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:21.779
Do you remember we went up and down that shoe?

347
00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:22.680
Oh my god.

348
00:23:23.700 --> 00:23:33.480
And, you know, there was another fall that popped into my head, you know, you as a dog lover, you know, and there is, they're all sort of doing a doggy-like thing with this ex-acon.

349
00:23:33.539 --> 00:23:34.799
I thought, oh, he's going to love it.

350
00:23:34.859 --> 00:23:35.759
It's just going to love it.

351
00:23:35.819 --> 00:23:36.960
Yeah, they're adorable.

352
00:23:37.619 --> 00:23:43.079
Now, I'm no longer going to get you the Tom Paris threshold action figure.

353
00:23:43.140 --> 00:23:45.299
You know, the the salamander.

354
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:46.920
The gross one.

355
00:23:46.980 --> 00:23:47.279
Yeah.

356
00:23:47.339 --> 00:23:49.680
I'm going to get you an next copy. awesome.

357
00:23:49.740 --> 00:23:52.619
So what do we think of Dr. Farallon's look?

358
00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:56.279
Well, she's got latex on her hands, do you know?

359
00:23:56.339 --> 00:23:59.279
Michael Westmore's given her a better slap.

360
00:23:59.339 --> 00:24:01.140
I just wish they hadn't done it.

361
00:24:01.259 --> 00:24:04.079
Oh, well, just had her just as a normal person.

362
00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:04.859
Yeah, yeah.

363
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:05.880
Just as human.

364
00:24:05.940 --> 00:24:08.700
She doesn't need to be an alien.

365
00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:13.019
And it just is a little bit distracting.

366
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:16.200
And she's a beautiful woman and it, you know, like it's kind of a thing.

367
00:24:16.259 --> 00:24:23.400
Have we had the choice yet where we where we found out, you know, why everyone's humanoid, but they've just got slightly different crevices on their heads.

368
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:25.140
I think that might be a little bit later.

369
00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:26.099
I'm not sure.

370
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:31.079
Of course, as we know, Discovery season five, did you know?

371
00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:34.079
Is about the chase.

372
00:24:34.140 --> 00:24:36.480
And it, oh, really?

373
00:24:36.539 --> 00:24:40.079
Yeah, we constantly see pictures of Salome Jens.

374
00:24:40.500 --> 00:24:41.940
Great.

375
00:24:43.859 --> 00:24:48.180
You know, for such an important episode, the chase is staggeringly boring.

376
00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:51.720
But it does reach a really interesting conclusion.

377
00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:52.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

378
00:24:52.740 --> 00:24:53.039
Yeah.

379
00:24:53.099 --> 00:25:01.500
And it's a very Star Trek conclusion that's the All Men are Brothers conclusion that Septimus and Flavius discovered.

380
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:06.779
Some poor technician on this episode is holding the strings above.

381
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:10.140
His arms are, my arms are really aching.

382
00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:10.799
Can I put it down?

383
00:25:10.859 --> 00:25:12.000
Yeah, he's going through it.

384
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.240
Isn't he up in the lighting grid with...

385
00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:18.000
So cute.

386
00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:23.220
I mean, there was just so delightful about robots. track, isn't there?

387
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:28.920
No, more puppets, I think, on Star Trek, just generally, is a good thing.

388
00:25:29.940 --> 00:25:34.319
No, I hate to keep regular us back to threshold, but those lizards, do you remember?

389
00:25:34.380 --> 00:25:35.039
You were awesome.

390
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:36.359
Life-size lizards.

391
00:25:36.420 --> 00:25:37.200
I know the best thing about it.

392
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:40.799
Have you noticed, right?

393
00:25:40.859 --> 00:25:45.299
I don't know why, but there's this sort of glass screen in the middle of that set.

394
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:50.519
It gives Jonathan break something to shoot through every now and again to make an interesting shot.

395
00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:55.980
Now, the exacompass just disobeyed his commands and come back out of the out of the Jeffreys tube.

396
00:25:56.039 --> 00:26:07.440
I like this too. like her remote control, her iPad there, it like sparks and she drops it and she sells that really well, I think. you know, she does a really good job.

397
00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:11.819
And so this is peanut hamper saying, you know, I'm not doing that.

398
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:12.539
The rocks.

399
00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:16.259
I look at the rocks surrounded by rocks.

400
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:18.000
I had to message you out there.

401
00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:21.420
Because that's clearly like a technological conduit.

402
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:23.460
Why it's packed with that many rocks?

403
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:24.720
I have no idea.

404
00:26:24.779 --> 00:26:26.759
Well, it's a mining danger.

405
00:26:26.819 --> 00:26:31.140
It's like they want to hurt people with the design of their technology, isn't it?

406
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:34.079
Why did nobody ask the question?

407
00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.200
It could have just been metal, right?

408
00:26:37.259 --> 00:26:38.700
Twisted metal.

409
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:42.240
I think rocks are cheaper than twisted metal is the thing.

410
00:26:42.420 --> 00:26:45.480
They've got them still from yesterday's enterprise.

411
00:26:45.539 --> 00:26:46.259
We've got those in the store.

412
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:47.519
Just throw them in there.

413
00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:49.559
A lot of...

414
00:26:50.039 --> 00:27:06.599
But even I will say, at this point where the X-Com starts making autonomous choices. my interest perked up because the 1st 10 minutes I was like, oh boy, you know, stock standard next generation plot number 52.

415
00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:13.740
Geordie has to write a report and submit it, submit it to Picard and he'll make a final decision and like it all seems...

416
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:14.279
Oh, come on.

417
00:27:14.339 --> 00:27:19.920
This is this is the one chance when you can say no, there's only one because there is only one TNG.

418
00:27:19.980 --> 00:27:21.359
Very, very.

419
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:23.579
So this, I think, is good too.

420
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:35.579
And this is, um, so we get this in emergence as well, where the enterprise computer undergoes a similar thing where these nodules are formed, remember?

421
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:36.960
In the computer.

422
00:27:37.140 --> 00:27:40.319
Is that the one on the holiday with the magical bridge?

423
00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:41.460
Yeah, yeah, it's not very good.

424
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:43.559
But, but hideous episode.

425
00:27:43.619 --> 00:27:47.460
But it is that kind of thing that we're doing at the moment.

426
00:27:47.519 --> 00:28:07.019
So these little nodules that are appearing in the Xocomp, and the fact that she interprets it as corruption, like data corruption, and she re-initializes them, because they start to behave oddly, and it's like once an exocop gets like that, you know, it's no good, and I have to have to re-initialize it.

427
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:27.420
And that's it, developing consciousness, you know, like, and so the idea is that because the, they're sufficiently complex, and because they make themselves, they make more, like they make more pathways, because they're always described in terms of sort of pathways and stuff, like the human brain.

428
00:28:28.259 --> 00:28:32.099
So has she stumbled upon this life form entirely by accident?

429
00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:36.660
Because I swear she said she just sort of mushed together a load of technology to see if it would work.

430
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:39.240
So there was no sort of design to this.

431
00:28:39.299 --> 00:28:42.299
She was just sort of trying things out to make a better piece of equipment.

432
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:59.579
Yeah, so she says it's a basic servo robot that she's worked on, but what she's given it is the problem solving ability and the ability to change itself, you know, it's a program itself physically based on the input that it's received.

433
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:00.960
Data is suddenly making...

434
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.539
Oh, the look he just gave me...

435
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:04.019
Yeah.

436
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:20.339
And I will say props to Brent Spiner in this episode because I just, I, I don't know how he does it by not expressing a single emotion and yet emoting all over the place.

437
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:23.579
No, but not in the way that an actor normally would.

438
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.579
He's still got to keep his voice level and things like that.

439
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:33.599
When he meets Dr. Farrell on and smiles and stuff, like he's really properly enthusiastic about meeting her.

440
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:35.759
Yeah.

441
00:29:35.819 --> 00:29:37.440
So this is where...

442
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.940
But that sort of, that, that 2nd there where the camera just lingered on him and he's looking a bit.

443
00:29:41.940 --> 00:29:43.140
Look at him, he...

444
00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:44.940
Like, I think he was...

445
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.960
I think he like that is much less walking around the set.

446
00:29:49.019 --> 00:29:53.579
That is much less that's much less static than this show is normally.

447
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:54.660
Do you know what I mean?

448
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.240
Having the camera just go around his table.

449
00:29:57.299 --> 00:30:03.779
That's a pretty unusual thing, and that's, that's Frank's, you know, whirling the camera around, which he'll...

450
00:30:03.779 --> 00:30:06.480
Oh, and then a zoom in on day. when you realise something.

451
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:07.559
I think that's pretty good.

452
00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:14.460
Joe, maybe they saw the rushes coming in and when, my God, John, you move the camera.

453
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:15.779
You're going to do 1st contact.

454
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:17.339
I think that's it.

455
00:30:18.059 --> 00:30:21.960
Oh, this is so Star Trek.

456
00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:27.180
And this is this is the sort of thing that we would get in any version of 90s trek.

457
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:34.319
So this is her talking about climbing trees as a little girl and I'm kind of going, oh, you've got to be fucking kidding me.

458
00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:38.700
Like, it's so it's so bad.

459
00:30:40.140 --> 00:30:43.440
We don't care about your backstory line.

460
00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:44.880
It isn't gonna make you any more interesting.

461
00:30:44.940 --> 00:30:48.000
No, she's selling it though.

462
00:30:48.059 --> 00:30:48.900
Do you know what I mean?

463
00:30:48.960 --> 00:31:05.220
It's like she's tired and she's giving herself time to have a break and she's much more chill and happy and relaxed than she is and she kind of realises that she's been super stressed and the 2 of them have this really relaxed body language after being quite combative in that 1st scene.

464
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:06.660
And I think it's really good.

465
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.319
I mean, it's fucking pure cheese, this scene.

466
00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:12.240
So, so right.

467
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:16.680
I usually broke a bone in the process, but I never let it stop me.

468
00:31:16.740 --> 00:31:17.819
Oh my god.

469
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.400
You must be a determined character then.

470
00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:30.960
But it's still not as bad. as that thing where Garak says, oh, it turns out this game is a metaphor for our relationship.

471
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.200
Oh, they hang out a lantern on it, though.

472
00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:39.059
Now, look at Beverly in this scene.

473
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:39.900
Look at this.

474
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:41.519
So she's been injured.

475
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:44.160
She's sitting there on the thing super relaxed.

476
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:50.099
She's having real fun while she's doing the dermal regenerator on herself because he's hit her with a bat laugh.

477
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.220
And look how much fun she's having and how relaxed she is.

478
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:54.539
She's all...

479
00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:56.519
Which imagine has loosened her up to this extent.

480
00:31:56.579 --> 00:31:57.960
I don't know I don't know.

481
00:31:58.019 --> 00:32:08.519
I think, I think that the doctor thing doesn't work for her and whenever she's having to live, deliver doctor dialogue, she's super wooden.

482
00:32:08.579 --> 00:32:11.160
But whenever she's just... 98% of the time.

483
00:32:11.220 --> 00:32:12.299
I know, I know.

484
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:13.259
But look at it here.

485
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:15.960
So this is absolutely an exposition.

486
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:21.779
They put a mild sedative in her coffee before she started that day, you know.

487
00:32:22.019 --> 00:32:24.420
Just to loosen her up a little bit.

488
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:26.640
Because this is her being serious.

489
00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:28.019
This isn't character work.

490
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:32.880
This is her giving him a definition of life and they're discussing what life is.

491
00:32:32.940 --> 00:32:33.900
Yeah.

492
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:35.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

493
00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:37.859
But, you know, I mean, I suppose she is doing...

494
00:32:37.859 --> 00:32:40.140
She is talking Dr. V stuff here, isn't she?

495
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:42.539
She's talking about how you determine life.

496
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:48.299
And it's clearly why Data's gone to see her in particular because she's a doctor.

497
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:49.980
But look, look.

498
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:52.500
Oh, I did like him saying about fire.

499
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:54.660
The fire creates offspring.

500
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:56.759
Yeah, but she has some normal reaction.

501
00:32:56.819 --> 00:32:58.559
She just says, oh, it's a chemical reaction.

502
00:32:58.619 --> 00:32:59.339
Do you know what I mean?

503
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.339
And there are some other things that are borderline and we don't think they're alive.

504
00:33:02.579 --> 00:33:06.599
But the technobabble she's talking about here. all real stuff, right?

505
00:33:06.660 --> 00:33:11.099
It's not made up shitty Star Trek techno babble that Jason McFadden does not understand.

506
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:12.119
Exactly right.

507
00:33:12.180 --> 00:33:14.400
And she knows what this scene is about.

508
00:33:14.460 --> 00:33:16.259
And so she's really selling it.

509
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:17.339
And look, look.

510
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:21.000
She looks beautiful there as well.

511
00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:24.000
I mean, oftentimes I'll be on the way she sits.

512
00:33:24.059 --> 00:33:25.680
Look at how she's got her knee up.

513
00:33:25.740 --> 00:33:28.619
The way she was sitting on that bio bed.

514
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:32.460
You know, he, like, seriously, go back and watch her in series one.

515
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:33.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

516
00:33:33.420 --> 00:33:34.799
I know, I know.

517
00:33:34.859 --> 00:33:37.859
The Edo want to execute my son, Jean-Luc.

518
00:33:39.059 --> 00:33:41.460
It's like she's a different person.

519
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:49.799
So I suppose, like, we don't have character growth in the accepted sense in TNG, but what we have is actor relaxer.

520
00:33:49.859 --> 00:33:50.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

521
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.279
That happens over the seasons. and she's great.

522
00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:55.259
This is, I mean, I think this is her thing.

523
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:57.960
They just gotten used to delivering this bullshit as well, haven't they?

524
00:33:58.019 --> 00:33:59.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

525
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:03.299
Yeah, I mean, because sub-Rosa, is that season seven?

526
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:04.319
I think it is isn't it?

527
00:34:04.500 --> 00:34:07.200
Well, she was very relaxed in that one.

528
00:34:07.259 --> 00:34:08.880
But yeah, that's right.

529
00:34:08.940 --> 00:34:11.460
But she was kind of terrible in that.

530
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:14.880
Like that was overwrought and ridiculous and all of that.

531
00:34:14.940 --> 00:34:17.039
Here, like she's magnificent.

532
00:34:17.099 --> 00:34:18.599
And this is just perfect.

533
00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:24.239
I think if she'd have if she'd have held back for a 2nd in sub-rosa, we would have been condemning her for it.

534
00:34:24.300 --> 00:34:24.840
No, no, no.

535
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:26.400
She went for it and then some.

536
00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:26.880
Yeah.

537
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:27.900
That's fair.

538
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.119
Oh, he's shooting through the glass panel. you go.

539
00:34:30.179 --> 00:34:31.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

540
00:34:34.500 --> 00:34:39.059
That's the only bloody thing I can do with this terrible, sad, terrible set.

541
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:49.019
The other thing is, there are quite a lot of extras in it until it comes time to evacuate it, and then there's only about 4 people because that's all that will fit in that transporter.

542
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:50.519
Like I don't quite know what's happening there.

543
00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:56.699
Oh, I love this where he comes in and just declares that the execoms are a form of life.

544
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:58.380
Is this an ad break now?

545
00:34:58.440 --> 00:34:59.400
Yeah, yeah.

546
00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:00.239
This is our ad.

547
00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:00.840
It's a good one.

548
00:35:00.900 --> 00:35:01.559
It's a really good one.

549
00:35:04.619 --> 00:35:09.000
And of course, then you know you're going to get the scene where she's going, well, how utterly ridiculous.

550
00:35:09.059 --> 00:35:11.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

551
00:35:11.219 --> 00:35:13.199
Well, that's this, isn't it?

552
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:22.739
And you get, I like the way Patrick Stewart plays it as well because he, you can kind of see he's on her side, but he's got a humour data because he trusts data.

553
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:33.300
I like the conclusion that it's like he kind of understands machines a bit better, so his instincts about them. correct, like, or more likely to be correct, because he's in sympathy with them.

554
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:39.119
And I thought that worked really well, you know, that he's more willing to recognise them as a life form.

555
00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:46.619
And I do like giving him some political consciousness where he now wants to intervene to ensure that they're not exploited.

556
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:47.280
I think it really good.

557
00:35:47.699 --> 00:36:02.280
I think it's where I like, every time you start talking about, you know, the definition of life in the universe, like Dr. Beverly was a minute ago, all those Star Trek fans, they get goosebumps all over their arms. you know, this this is an instant classic now.

558
00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:09.360
We're talking about, you know, the meaning of life. real sort of, um, thoughtful stuff that you can get your teeth into.

559
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:11.699
Now, let me...

560
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:13.139
It is good Star Trek.

561
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:14.400
Let me bring it back down.

562
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:15.119
Just a bit dull.

563
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:22.500
And just say that I think that Deanna's look in this scene is maybe her best look ever.

564
00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:24.599
And I think...

565
00:36:24.659 --> 00:36:30.599
Well, so she's going to say something, she'll say something, but she has really good hair.

566
00:36:30.659 --> 00:36:32.579
So instead of being old bun haired.

567
00:36:32.699 --> 00:36:38.280
She has very curly hair tied back and old bunheads.

568
00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:39.059
Yeah, there she is.

569
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:40.019
Like, there she is.

570
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:48.239
Yeah, I just, no, no bar, but in the next episode, Chaino Command, she's clearly been down the beach for a couple of weeks, right?

571
00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:51.719
The tan, it's the same hair, but with a tan.

572
00:36:51.780 --> 00:36:56.940
I think that what they're doing is that they've decided to actually respect the colour.

573
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:58.199
Do you know what I mean?

574
00:36:58.260 --> 00:37:14.519
Because she's, you know, Greek or partly Greek, she has darker skin, and she's got those eyes, the black, you know, contact lenses, and so they've just given her a browner, darker kind of colour palette on her mate, with her makeup, and it looks great.

575
00:37:14.579 --> 00:37:16.619
It looks so much better than she used to look.

576
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:21.300
It's so strange though, because in series one, she's more albino than dates are.

577
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.059
They put so much white face up on her face.

578
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:28.619
And so this, again, is a more relaxed look for her, her hair looks more normal.

579
00:37:28.619 --> 00:37:42.059
And when she gets into the uniform next episode with that hair and makeup, she looks great. so good I think this may be the one trek show where the women are much better looking than the men.

580
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:46.380
On the whole, obviously.

581
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:50.699
Those lips are very accentuated by his beard, aren't they?

582
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:52.019
He looks bad.

583
00:37:52.260 --> 00:37:53.039
Oh boy.

584
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.760
We're getting a bit sleaze in our quick chase subject, yeah.

585
00:37:56.820 --> 00:37:58.679
No, the beard, it's a thing.

586
00:37:58.739 --> 00:38:06.420
But please, once we've watched this, right, just go and look at her in chain of command, because she's several hues darker in that.

587
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:07.320
Yeah, even darker.

588
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:10.139
But you can see that she's enjoying that American life.

589
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:16.619
But, you know, she's got brown lipstick on rather than bright red lipstick in this episode and it looks a lot better.

590
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:24.119
See, I think this, like deciding to shoot from the Jeffreys tube past the AxoComp and having them assemble in position there.

591
00:38:24.179 --> 00:38:26.699
Like, I think this is well well directed.

592
00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:34.920
I mean, they are all in shot there. and it's all deliberately staged in a very 90s way.

593
00:38:34.980 --> 00:38:39.900
Just a little bit more thoughtful short composition than this show often does, I think.

594
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:41.400
He's good.

595
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:42.719
I think they can't do.

596
00:38:42.780 --> 00:38:44.820
They can do dynamic direction.

597
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:52.440
I watched a game the other day and you shouldn't, the bit where Wesley was being chased around the ship was being shot up, down, left, right.

598
00:38:52.500 --> 00:38:53.340
It was okay.

599
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:54.000
It was crazy.

600
00:38:54.059 --> 00:39:03.840
Well, I mean, that's the other thing with Star Trek too, is that this episode, which is very talky and a bit philosophical and not super complex.

601
00:39:03.900 --> 00:39:06.840
Oh.

602
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.940
That's so great.

603
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:10.260
So good.

604
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:12.840
That is like that affects shot.

605
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:20.579
This is also this is also a strength and a weakness of this episode in that I do think this is a great scene.

606
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:27.480
I think the outcome of this scene where you realised that the Xecom realised that the whole thing was a ploy.

607
00:39:27.539 --> 00:39:32.460
And so he just basically stopped the simulation.

608
00:39:32.460 --> 00:39:33.480
Instead of saving himself.

609
00:39:33.659 --> 00:39:37.500
But boy, we have to go for all of this plodding to get there.

610
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:41.460
You know, like we had to go through the motions to get to that point.

611
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:44.519
But I think I want to see this.

612
00:39:44.699 --> 00:39:45.719
Do you know what I mean?

613
00:39:45.780 --> 00:39:49.260
Like I want to see them experimenting, experimenting.

614
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:53.219
I want to see them trying something and observing its behaviour.

615
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.619
I want to see them making a judgement.

616
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:57.179
I love it.

617
00:39:57.239 --> 00:39:58.619
No, no, I absolutely love it.

618
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.960
And again, because it's comprehensible too.

619
00:40:01.019 --> 00:40:07.500
It's not just, you know, the Voyager thing of them just shouting polysyllabic words at one another across the bridge.

620
00:40:07.500 --> 00:40:10.920
You know, like it's very clear what's going on.

621
00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:11.880
We love us as well.

622
00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:12.420
Don't lie.

623
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:22.320
I know, but you know me, and you know my favourite trek is like, it's like DS97, where they're juggling like 15 plots.

624
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:24.840
And all those characters, and there's so much happening.

625
00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:29.820
Boy, 0 boy, this really is nuts and bolts A to B to C, you know?

626
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:31.679
And then, you love it.

627
00:40:31.739 --> 00:40:32.699
Yeah, I love it.

628
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:35.639
Look, I mean, you know, like I love Kurtzman Trek.

629
00:40:35.699 --> 00:40:43.139
I love discovery and discovery isn't much like this, generally, although they are smart and they do solve space problems.

630
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:48.239
Sorry to interrupt you, but this was that startling bit of direction I had pointed out earlier.

631
00:40:48.300 --> 00:40:50.639
Well, there's a bit of depth to it, isn't it?

632
00:40:50.699 --> 00:40:55.739
Well, I think too, we weren't aware of that space, which I really liked.

633
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:59.940
It's kind of like we've walked past that wall heaps of times.

634
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.400
Don't forget, the door's open usually, is it?

635
00:41:02.460 --> 00:41:03.119
No, is it?

636
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:03.659
That's right.

637
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:07.619
So we weren't aware that space was behind there, and I really like that.

638
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.199
Like, it's a little new part.

639
00:41:10.260 --> 00:41:15.840
This is why Tuesday morning, so my favourite morning of the week, finding new cubby holes on the Enterprise, you know?

640
00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:16.739
Yeah, exactly.

641
00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:17.519
No I love it.

642
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:23.340
Dr. Beverly has just come in and she goes, now, data, I must distract you for at least a minute.

643
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:24.179
Okay?

644
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.400
So you don't send the command to the ex-comp.

645
00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:28.800
So the plot, the plot can continue.

646
00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:38.280
But this is good though, because this is about how he feels about the failure of the experiment.

647
00:41:39.179 --> 00:41:48.780
That was my favourite thing about this episode was the impact on data and data admitting, and it's just there where he says, I won't be alone anymore.

648
00:41:48.900 --> 00:41:51.659
I will be the only one of my kind as mechanical life.

649
00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:55.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. puppies as well. like robot puppies.

650
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:57.480
And I think that is adorable.

651
00:41:58.019 --> 00:42:14.099
Do you not think then though, on the back of this, it shouldn't have taken 30 years or whatever it was, to see the X-Comps again, that maybe Data should have had an X-Comp, or they should have used one on the Enterprise at this point, or I don't know, it's like, why are we doing this?

652
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:22.739
Well, I think we're doing it just, you know, this is still syndicated TV and it's not something that has a lot of continuity.

653
00:42:22.860 --> 00:42:34.800
And I think both, like, Picard picks up on synths and makes them a thing years later, and the XO comps come into lower decks, you know, a decade or so later.

654
00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:39.900
You know, like where were they going to appear if they weren't going to appear in series 7?

655
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:41.760
There's not going to be one on Voyager or anything.

656
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:46.079
Well, just like you have those fabulous little robots going about on Discovery.

657
00:42:46.139 --> 00:42:47.579
Yeah, they could have the exacons.

658
00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:52.860
Just going about, just have one fly path.

659
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:53.159
Yeah.

660
00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:54.659
I mean, that's what I mean, a hamper.

661
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:55.139
You're okay.

662
00:42:55.199 --> 00:43:01.559
That's one of the things I love about Discovery, is those little robots that come and fix things and hoover stuff up and that's awesome, you know?

663
00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:04.380
Well, I don't I don't buy that.

664
00:43:04.380 --> 00:43:08.639
The writers of 90s trek can't see something and go, wow, that's a really good idea.

665
00:43:08.699 --> 00:43:09.480
Let's integrate it.

666
00:43:09.539 --> 00:43:12.599
We've talked about Jeffrey Coombs and the clones before, you know?

667
00:43:12.659 --> 00:43:16.380
Yeah, but that's Steve Says 9. that's when they're learning to do that.

668
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:18.719
And remember before they do that.

669
00:43:18.780 --> 00:43:27.179
They try to make episodes like this, uh, and they're kind of terrible because they're not really suited to the setting or the crew that they have or anything.

670
00:43:27.179 --> 00:43:29.519
You know, they're so resistant, no one.

671
00:43:29.579 --> 00:43:33.360
They're so resistant on TNG to have anything that links these things. aren't they?

672
00:43:33.420 --> 00:43:36.300
Because it was syndicated because sometimes they were shown out of order.

673
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:37.800
Oh, yes.

674
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:41.760
Hugely impressive piece of equipment there.

675
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.880
There's this one here where the 2 sort of domes.

676
00:43:44.940 --> 00:43:49.619
Yeah, well, I've seen Beverly growing fungus in there in clues.

677
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:50.579
Do you know what I mean?

678
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:56.340
That's in Beverly's thing, and I'm sure that she was growing that, whatever the hell it was in Clues.

679
00:43:57.059 --> 00:44:00.420
I see Dr. Beverly grown fungus.

680
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:08.460
Oh boy, this really is the highlight of my wig.

681
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:14.039
That set is so much more impressive with the lights now.

682
00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:16.320
Just turn the lights off more often, okay?

683
00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:19.199
Yeah, just think the green is not helping.

684
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:23.519
There's lots of light sources within the scene as well.

685
00:44:23.579 --> 00:44:25.019
So it's still lit up.

686
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.059
It's what we said about it in Picard, wasn't it?

687
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.539
Just find it interesting weight of lighting the set from within the set.

688
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:41.579
But I mean, I think that the engineering set where that scene with Beverly and data, you know, just now, where that was shot, like I thought that had interesting backgrounds.

689
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:45.599
Yeah, look, now there's only 4 other people on the on the thing.

690
00:44:45.659 --> 00:44:51.599
Maybe they've been, uh, maybe they've been transporting them out earlier, but uh, like whatever.

691
00:44:51.659 --> 00:44:56.460
And I think I think the reason why we don't really buy this Jeopardy, the Picard and La Forge are in.

692
00:44:56.519 --> 00:45:00.000
It's because, well, one, we know they're not going to be leaving in this dreary episode.

693
00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:03.900
And two, that's not what this episode is about.

694
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:05.039
That's right.

695
00:45:05.099 --> 00:45:05.880
That's right.

696
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.480
Yeah, yeah.

697
00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:12.719
I mean, and all of that stuff gets thrown away.

698
00:45:12.780 --> 00:45:17.159
The particle fountain stuff is now thrown away too, because that was really never important either.

699
00:45:17.219 --> 00:45:21.179
And in fact, the particle fountain experiment kind of fails.

700
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:27.900
The thing blows up, you know, she kind of goes, oh, back to the drawing board, blah, blah, blah, blah.

701
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.300
So that doesn't matter either.

702
00:45:30.539 --> 00:45:37.860
Well, you take a look, please, at this sub O'Brien Transporter Chief that they've got now in series 6 of TNG.

703
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:39.179
So this is Kelso.

704
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:40.920
He only does this episode.

705
00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:44.159
And I was actually a very boring job.

706
00:45:44.219 --> 00:45:44.760
That's why.

707
00:45:44.820 --> 00:45:54.840
I was a little bit shocked, actually, in the early scene where he appears before that he got any dialogue at all because he just looked like a, you know, part of the scenery.

708
00:45:54.900 --> 00:45:56.280
He was just going to operate the thing.

709
00:45:56.340 --> 00:46:00.000
So he gets dialogue there because he's actually a speaking part.

710
00:46:00.059 --> 00:46:02.039
The only other speeding part.

711
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:10.019
But when those, you know, when the Starfleet people beamed onto the transporter pad, there was a shot of one of the security people sort of walking out the door.

712
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:10.619
Yeah.

713
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:13.260
She threw a filthy look back at everybody else.

714
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:14.760
She's in a wall.

715
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:15.420
What was going on there?

716
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:17.880
She's on the bridge quite a lot, that woman.

717
00:46:17.940 --> 00:46:24.900
I don't know what her name is, but she's a very frequent featured, you know, she's an extra.

718
00:46:25.019 --> 00:46:28.860
It was a sort of look that said, oh, I'm the only one hitting my mark, am I?

719
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:29.340
Okay.

720
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:34.380
I like watching the extras.

721
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:35.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

722
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.760
You know, they don't get a lot to do, so they have to get noticed somehow.

723
00:46:38.820 --> 00:46:41.159
No, see, there's some people in the background of this scene.

724
00:46:41.219 --> 00:46:41.760
Nathan.

725
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:42.000
Yeah.

726
00:46:42.059 --> 00:46:44.760
This is just like perfect TNG for people, isn't it?

727
00:46:44.820 --> 00:46:48.599
We had a scene in the conference room with everyone around there discussing an issue.

728
00:46:48.659 --> 00:46:54.840
Scenes in engineering, scenes around the poker table, kid robots, quality of life.

729
00:46:54.900 --> 00:46:57.420
I mean, it's just got everything Trek fans could possibly watch.

730
00:46:57.420 --> 00:47:00.239
All, rather, TNG fans could possibly watch.

731
00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:01.139
Yeah, that's exactly it.

732
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:04.199
This isn't much like a original trek, is it, really, at all?

733
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:06.900
No.

734
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:11.820
No, that was that was far less competent space people doing.

735
00:47:11.820 --> 00:47:13.980
Yeah, there was a big problem.

736
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:14.760
There was a bit of it.

737
00:47:14.820 --> 00:47:16.320
They had a bit more fun, didn't they?

738
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:17.340
Yeah.

739
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:25.199
I mean, and everyone had that sort of wry smile on their face, knowing it was all a bit of sort of Gubbins, but Elvis, they take it very seriously.

740
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:28.500
I mean, that was the criticism at the time, wasn't it?

741
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:37.019
That original Star Trek fans didn't like Next Generation, because it was too talky and too worthy, and, you know, I mean, they've got a point.

742
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:38.099
No, of course they do.

743
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:39.659
I was very cross at them at the time.

744
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.059
I thought they were ridiculous but yes, they had a point.

745
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:42.599
Exactly.

746
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:43.860
This is very talking.

747
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:45.900
We all just went, yeah, but look at the ship.

748
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:46.860
Look at the stars.

749
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:47.940
Yeah, it looks amazing.

750
00:47:48.059 --> 00:47:48.900
That's right.

751
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.719
Now we go, oh, how embarrassing.

752
00:47:51.780 --> 00:47:53.760
Oh, love what the special effects were.

753
00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:57.539
Well, we're watching the new special effects.

754
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.059
Oh, gorgeous.

755
00:48:00.059 --> 00:48:02.159
They were even worse at the at the time.

756
00:48:03.179 --> 00:48:07.199
Where even the animated special effects are just stunning.

757
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.079
I mean, there's the particle fountain, look.

758
00:48:10.139 --> 00:48:11.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

759
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:12.900
Looking magnificent.

760
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.719
Oh, look at the 3X of comps.

761
00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:16.679
So good.

762
00:48:16.739 --> 00:48:19.380
Come on we're taking the dogs out for a walk.

763
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:20.699
That is so adorable.

764
00:48:22.019 --> 00:48:24.480
Oh, dear right, dear.

765
00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:29.159
Let's give them let's give them the choice as to whether they want to do this or not.

766
00:48:29.219 --> 00:48:31.199
No, just fucking send them in.

767
00:48:31.260 --> 00:48:32.400
Jesus Christ.

768
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:34.619
I think that this.

769
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:44.159
I think that this is actually the surprising bit, because he's just in the set, in the background, and then he turns around and says, actually, I'm not going to let them go.

770
00:48:44.219 --> 00:48:46.860
And that's that's a surprise.

771
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:51.960
Like, that's a surprise next step and that's a great ad break thing and a great character moment.

772
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:56.760
It is, it is, and it is, and it is the best moment of the episode.

773
00:48:56.820 --> 00:49:03.659
Yeah, yeah, it's a real surprise. one moment where I saw sat up and went, is he really going to let Picard die to save the X-Con?

774
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:17.219
And this scene is really good too, because, because if this had been an enterprise scene, you know, Archer would have been in there screaming at him and, and, you know, like just completely dismissing anything that he had to say.

775
00:49:17.340 --> 00:49:21.000
And here Riker is saying, look, these are your friends.

776
00:49:21.059 --> 00:49:23.099
You know, like, what are you doing?

777
00:49:23.219 --> 00:49:27.420
Um, and like some of those little doggies.

778
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:28.619
Yeah, potentially my friends.

779
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:34.800
But he comes up with a proper solution and it's Riker's idea, isn't it?

780
00:49:34.860 --> 00:49:42.960
to restore their command pathways and let them make the decision and like that respect status belief.

781
00:49:43.019 --> 00:49:45.599
You know, because data is not an idiot.

782
00:49:45.659 --> 00:49:47.639
Like we talk about data's belief.

783
00:49:47.699 --> 00:49:55.260
You know, he believes that their life, in which case it would be wrong to treat them in this way.

784
00:49:55.320 --> 00:50:02.280
And remember what they're proposing is just sticking bombs on them and transporting them to the fountain.

785
00:50:02.340 --> 00:50:03.420
Do you know what I mean?

786
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:04.980
Like, you're not allowed to do that to people.

787
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:07.320
Like, if the solution had been...

788
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:08.579
I think they've got shared memory.

789
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:10.139
That's why Peter Hump is like no way.

790
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:10.980
No way.

791
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:22.320
But, like, if it had been, we're going to stick bombs to spot, and we're going to transport spot into the particle fountain, we would have kind of gone, actually, I think that's really not acceptable.

792
00:50:22.380 --> 00:50:23.099
Do you know what I mean?

793
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:24.300
We better don't do that.

794
00:50:25.139 --> 00:50:28.019
It was the only thing we had left to do.

795
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:28.559
Sorry.

796
00:50:28.739 --> 00:50:31.019
But do you know what I mean?

797
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:32.760
we have to are on the side of them.

798
00:50:32.820 --> 00:50:42.300
If they're sentient beings, we cannot strap bombs to them and and like, even if it's going to save Picard, but shouldn't there be some sort of fallback?

799
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.300
He has disobeyed an order. shouldn't he be punished for this?

800
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:46.800
Yeah, but they do that all the time on this.

801
00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:47.880
Do you know what I mean?

802
00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:52.380
It's not quite as bad as Garak murdering a guy. and then...

803
00:50:52.380 --> 00:50:58.260
No, because you said it at the end, well, you know why.

804
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.900
You shouldn't have taken me with her, you know?

805
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:04.019
I've got that murderous gloom in my eye all the time.

806
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:06.360
I do agree with what Riker says, though.

807
00:51:06.420 --> 00:51:11.159
He does go, this is a hell of a risk that you're taking. on our supposition.

808
00:51:11.219 --> 00:51:23.820
The way he plays it too, where he says, I'll unlock the transporter thing, if they agree, and Riker smiles and says fair enough, and then they walk out, like he's not a dick bag about it.

809
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:29.219
He's Riker, you know, like, and he respects, he respects data.

810
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:31.260
I think it's really, really well actors.

811
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:36.780
And, well, plus, they can't really do sustain conflict on this show.

812
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:38.039
No, but I don't want them to.

813
00:51:38.099 --> 00:51:39.179
I think that's boring.

814
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:43.380
I think, you know, people think that drama is conflict, but I don't think it has to be.

815
00:51:43.500 --> 00:51:44.699
It don't have to be boring.

816
00:51:44.820 --> 00:51:46.920
No, conflict doesn't have to be boring.

817
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:47.880
But it often is.

818
00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:48.840
Like it can be.

819
00:51:48.900 --> 00:51:56.400
Like, the idea that Star Trek, the Next Generation is boring because there's no interpersonal conflict between the characters, I think, is wrong.

820
00:51:56.519 --> 00:52:01.019
You better speak to the writers then, because they all thought that come at the end of the series.

821
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:06.539
Yeah, they're super lazy then, because that's a formal constraint that they should be placing on themselves.

822
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:15.539
I think it's, I think that people working together to achieve something who have differences of opinion or who face obstacles.

823
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:19.260
It doesn't have to be... can be boring as well.

824
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.440
People working together to achieve a goal.

825
00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:24.539
So that can be very dumb. be beachy conflict.

826
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:26.400
Like that's not in itself interesting either.

827
00:52:26.460 --> 00:52:27.900
That's what I'm saying.

828
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:29.820
I don't think that conflict is necessary.

829
00:52:30.300 --> 00:52:45.659
The trouble with this show is these characters are so sort of ill formed. the regulars that the conflict is frequently. it feels very unbelievable Whereas if they're working together as a team, well, that's just built into their characters because they are their jobs. jobs. yeah that's right.

830
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:51.900
So there are only 2 exocomp props built.

831
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:52.739
I can see three.

832
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:55.980
So one of them is matted into that shot.

833
00:52:56.039 --> 00:53:01.019
Um, So, yeah, they only been too.

834
00:53:01.019 --> 00:53:02.940
I didn't waste that new special effects budget.

835
00:53:02.940 --> 00:53:03.599
No.

836
00:53:03.659 --> 00:53:05.039
So it's seamless.

837
00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:10.199
But they're just sort of hanging there on strings, which is, which is kind of awesome.

838
00:53:10.260 --> 00:53:11.940
And they've put new wibbly.

839
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:13.559
See, this is another thing.

840
00:53:13.739 --> 00:53:18.059
On the one that's matted in, is he sort of bobbing up down as well?

841
00:53:18.179 --> 00:53:21.960
So he's the one that's very stationary.

842
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:23.940
No, because they're all wobbling.

843
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:31.619
I'm guessing that it's like three, you know, they've shot actual just live footage of the XOcoms in different positions and then have mattered them together.

844
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:33.300
It's not like computer generated.

845
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:35.460
I think it's just footage that they've kind of combined.

846
00:53:35.579 --> 00:53:45.960
What I think is super interesting and no one says anything is that data is able to tell what is happening between the XO comps and what they're doing by looking at that beam because he has a visor.

847
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:47.880
Don't you think?

848
00:53:47.940 --> 00:53:51.480
And so that just enables him to kind of read.

849
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:52.019
That it.

850
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:52.559
Oh, sorry.

851
00:53:52.619 --> 00:53:53.639
Yeah, Geordie.

852
00:53:53.699 --> 00:53:58.800
Geordie, when he looks at the, at the, at the beams that are going between the exocomps.

853
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:02.460
Oh, look at them all standing in a roadway.

854
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:04.739
Look at the little...

855
00:54:07.739 --> 00:54:10.079
Oh, there's only one left.

856
00:54:10.139 --> 00:54:10.679
Oh, no.

857
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:13.440
He's the brave one who stayed behind.

858
00:54:13.739 --> 00:54:17.400
One of them should turn around and just go bleep, bleep, bleep.

859
00:54:17.460 --> 00:54:18.960
He wanted to sacrifice himself.

860
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:20.880
That's right.

861
00:54:22.139 --> 00:54:27.659
I suppose there had to be some form of self-sacrifice, you know, so we so we feel for them.

862
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:29.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

863
00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:34.679
And I thought that was good, actually, because everyone kind of felt it with them, and now here we go.

864
00:54:34.739 --> 00:54:37.800
Here's relaxed Dr. Farallon, who's much more chill.

865
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:44.639
And Picard's changing his way out. 40 minutes left to determine the fate of the ex-coms now.

866
00:54:44.699 --> 00:54:47.639
Like, now, now we've decided that they are a life form.

867
00:54:47.699 --> 00:54:52.079
Um, she just goes, well, I won't be treating them as simple tools, doctor.

868
00:54:52.139 --> 00:54:54.119
Yeah, yeah, but that's okay.

869
00:54:54.179 --> 00:54:55.019
Do you know what I mean?

870
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:59.880
Like, in a way we don't really need this scene all that much, but that's what Star Trek does.

871
00:54:59.940 --> 00:55:01.440
It has to have a closing off scene.

872
00:55:01.500 --> 00:55:10.980
In memory, Alfred said that Frakes wanted a closing scene where, you know, they're about to shave their beard. or something.

873
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:11.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

874
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:12.840
But we never go back to it.

875
00:55:12.900 --> 00:55:15.599
Oh, I love this line.

876
00:55:15.780 --> 00:55:23.880
I thought you might, you know, you might want to know why I was willing to risk your life for the sake of several small machines.

877
00:55:23.940 --> 00:55:25.860
It's such a funny line.

878
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:30.960
And Picard just goes, no, no, I understand.

879
00:55:32.699 --> 00:55:35.099
I am a bit annoying.

880
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:45.960
But I mean, it's like, you know, like, like, you know, as we tick the boxes of your standard TNG episode, it also has a tidy ending with no read the customs, whatever.

881
00:55:46.019 --> 00:55:46.500
That's right.

882
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:49.559
It's almost like the textbook TNG.

883
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:58.500
Was it was it the self-sacrifice, the fact that one of them stayed behind to save the other 2 that made it clear.

884
00:55:58.500 --> 00:56:01.559
Because remember, they're responsible for the entire plan at this point.

885
00:56:01.619 --> 00:56:07.860
They change the plan, they make their own things, they transport to a different place.

886
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:10.380
You know, like it's all down to them.

887
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:16.679
And then because one of them sacrifices himself to save the other two, that means that they're definitely people.

888
00:56:16.739 --> 00:56:19.260
That's how you know.

889
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:24.840
Um, you know, like there's survival instincts, but animals have those and animals are important.

890
00:56:24.900 --> 00:56:26.940
You can't just treat animals however you want.

891
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:27.599
Do you know what I mean?

892
00:56:27.659 --> 00:56:28.679
Like, although we do.

893
00:56:28.739 --> 00:56:30.360
Yeah, I don't know.

894
00:56:30.420 --> 00:56:35.280
And do we not seen another X-Comp now until that finale episode of Lower Decks?

895
00:56:35.699 --> 00:56:39.119
I know I know what you're going to say, but it does feel like a waste.

896
00:56:39.179 --> 00:56:42.420
Yeah, but you know, I feel like we've sort of gone through the motions for a reason.

897
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:44.699
Yeah, we were never going to see them again.

898
00:56:44.760 --> 00:57:08.099
I think it would have been odd to be, you know, just because of what this show is, you know, later on, uh, Star Trek will be trying to create a coherent story set in a particular place, but this is still, you know, I know it's, it's what, the ninth season of Star Trek, but uh, it's still early days by sort of overall standards for Star Trek, I think.

899
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:16.860
Next week will be, you know, uh, going undercover to see if the Cardassians are developing a mutagenic weapon.

900
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:26.280
Um, and, and, oh, they go down, there's a wonderful shot from Stockcave Set number 52 where they scale that, that huge, that huge cliff face.

901
00:57:28.380 --> 00:57:38.579
Yeah, I don't know how to summarise this, because I acknowledge absolutely everything that you're saying, and I do think this is a good episode of Star Trek.

902
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:41.099
I just don't think I like Star Trek very much.

903
00:57:41.159 --> 00:58:08.940
I think it's absolutely fair to say that it's talky and worthy and that it's not that visually interesting beyond just the interest that there is in those sets, which, you know, like a variable quality, but certainly bigger and more interesting than the sets in Voyager last week, for instance, I think I think I can make a comparison, you know, because do you remember when you and I did profit motive?

904
00:58:09.059 --> 00:58:15.659
And and you enjoyed it, but, you know, you could absolutely see it was a bit of a nothing episode.

905
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:26.460
And I said to you, yeah, but I don't care because this is my 1st love, and these are my characters, and this is my station, and I just love hanging with these people, and I'll give it a free pass for that.

906
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:30.599
Well, this does have things to say, but it is your 1st love.

907
00:58:30.659 --> 00:58:37.679
The characters you love in a very relaxed situation, doing what they do best, talking about the sort of stuff that interests you.

908
00:58:37.739 --> 00:58:41.760
So I absolutely see why you really adored this.

909
00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:49.380
And I think I think too, like we talk dismissively about Next Generation as, you know, a thing where the characters are basically their jobs.

910
00:58:49.440 --> 00:59:00.659
But that show, the thing which we, which I sometimes call, you know, competent people solving space problems or likeable, competent people solving space problems.

911
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:02.760
I like that show, you know?

912
00:59:02.820 --> 00:59:05.039
And I like it when Discovery does that.

913
00:59:05.099 --> 00:59:07.500
I like it when other versions of Star Trek do that.

914
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:16.139
I'm glad that Star Trek is now capable of doing more things than just that, but I'm glad that it does do that.

915
00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:18.599
And I think this did that quite well.

916
00:59:18.659 --> 00:59:26.280
Let's be honest. 15000000 other people thought that as well on a regular basis at this point.

917
00:59:26.340 --> 00:59:28.320
So who cares what I think?

918
00:59:34.980 --> 00:59:40.380
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to work out where we're going next.

919
00:59:40.500 --> 00:59:48.000
This was your excellent choice, and I am going to try and make another excellent choice.

920
00:59:48.059 --> 00:59:59.519
It's been some time since we've been here, but we are going either backwards or forwards in time to visit the crew of the USS Discovery.

921
00:59:59.579 --> 01:00:02.280
Oh, it has been some time.

922
01:00:02.340 --> 01:00:03.179
It has been wild.

923
01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:08.340
Yeah, I nearly did Discovery the other week, but then, oh, no, I put all the Christmas in, didn't I?

924
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:12.059
And obviously lower desk came up and we couldn't say no to that.

925
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:12.840
No, exactly.

926
01:00:12.900 --> 01:00:13.860
All right.

927
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:15.420
So I'm going to press the button.

928
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:20.639
It's always a little bit tricky because I'm not as familiar with the names of these, but we'll see how we go.

929
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:27.480
Okay, so this is season four, episode one.

930
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.300
Kobayashi Maru.

931
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:33.840
Season four, episode one. we done that one?

932
01:00:33.900 --> 01:00:35.280
No, we haven't.

933
01:00:35.340 --> 01:00:50.280
One of the things about it is that, in a way, this is a series 2, episode one for Discovery, because of course, series 3 is the series where we go to the future.

934
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:54.480
And we did, I think, do the 1st episode of series three.

935
01:00:54.539 --> 01:00:58.019
So this is the 1st episode of series four.

936
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:05.519
So jam a summary, and he gives this one BEM, so 2.5 stars.

937
01:01:05.579 --> 01:01:07.320
So it's as good as BEM.

938
01:01:07.380 --> 01:01:08.340
So that's promising.

939
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:19.980
With work underway to reestablish and expand the federation, the discovery must undertake a dangerous rescue operation to save the crew of a space station threatened with destruction.

940
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:44.699
Now, I don't actually normally like just, you know, going with the 1st one because it's kind of fun to roll around and talk about things, but I really, really love series 2, episode one of anything and just seeing what they do here because I think series 4 of Discovery might be my favourite series of the whole run.

941
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:46.260
I like one a lot.

942
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:48.360
I think 2 is maybe the weakest.

943
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:52.380
I think 3 is super interesting because we've got the new premise.

944
01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:57.780
And then I think 4 tries to tell a really, really interesting science fiction story.

945
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:01.380
I think it gets the serialisation, absolutely right.

946
01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:04.380
And, you know, like I think it's really solid.

947
01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:13.139
And then 5 is a kind of fun coder, which is a little bit light and maybe something that we needed to do before the show ended.

948
01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:24.480
But I am kind of keen to do something that sets up series 4 and kind of sends the show off in a what ends up being a pretty good new direction.

949
01:02:24.539 --> 01:02:38.940
I'd be quite interested to see how this all kicks off because you and I have already covered, but to connect and all in, which is 2 episodes back to back right in the middle of the season, sort of, the cliffhanger in the middle of the season and then where it picks up.

950
01:02:38.940 --> 01:02:43.559
And But to Connect was a really good character drama.

951
01:02:43.619 --> 01:02:45.659
I was slightly less impressed by all in.

952
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:51.420
But it did some interesting things with Michael and book.

953
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:51.719
Yeah.

954
01:02:51.780 --> 01:02:53.760
Yeah, let's do it.

955
01:02:53.820 --> 01:02:54.599
Let's do it.

956
01:02:54.659 --> 01:02:57.599
I mean, with discovery, I don't really know until we watch the episode.

957
01:02:57.659 --> 01:02:59.280
I know so little about this show.

958
01:02:59.340 --> 01:03:04.139
And wherever you stick the pin in, it could be a completely different show if I'm honest.

959
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:06.300
Yeah, whatever season you choose.

960
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:07.739
Kubahashi Maru.

961
01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:08.579
Why is that?

962
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:09.179
I know that.

963
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:10.800
Oh, is that the Captain Kirk's?

964
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:12.059
No win scenario.

965
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:12.599
Yeah.

966
01:03:12.659 --> 01:03:13.380
Yeah.

967
01:03:13.380 --> 01:03:14.820
Okay.

968
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:18.239
Wow, series 4. let's kick it off Let's do it.

969
01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:31.199
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

970
01:03:31.260 --> 01:03:37.619
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

971
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:43.260
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceron, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

972
01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:49.139
This episode was recorded on the 24th of September 2024 and released on the 4th of October.

973
01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:54.119
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Discovery for Bayashima Ru.

974
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:12.059
Yeah, I don't have a clue what to do.

975
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:13.019
Yeah, I can't even remember it.

976
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.420
I wonder if it ends with the anomaly.

977
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:16.139
Do you know what I mean?

978
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:19.559
Does it end with the anomaly, the DMA attacking something?

979
01:04:19.619 --> 01:04:24.239
I can't remember, just let me see what German says.

980
01:04:24.300 --> 01:04:27.780
Yeah, I think it's where all the characters are.

981
01:04:27.780 --> 01:04:31.079
I think it's... with Quation being destroyed.

982
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:34.440
You are right.

983
01:04:34.500 --> 01:04:36.719
It is a series to episode one in series four.

984
01:04:36.780 --> 01:04:37.139
Yeah.

985
01:04:37.260 --> 01:04:46.199
Which is just strange, but, uh, proof of just how mutatable that show was.

986
01:04:46.260 --> 01:04:46.619
Yeah.

987
01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:52.619
Because it does, because it's a mess because it's their 1st go and they fuck it up in all sorts of ways, except they don't.

988
01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:54.179
I think series 2 fucks about.

989
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:57.059
It's all sorts of ways that are great to talk about, Mike.

990
01:04:57.119 --> 01:04:58.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

991
01:04:58.260 --> 01:04:58.860
You know.

992
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:01.679
And his successes as well.

993
01:05:01.739 --> 01:05:04.739
It absolutely has its successes, but yeah, it is.

994
01:05:04.739 --> 01:05:05.880
I just love those characters.

995
01:05:05.940 --> 01:05:08.880
It's a slightly confused show, isn't it?

996
01:05:08.940 --> 01:05:09.420
Yeah.

997
01:05:09.420 --> 01:05:10.500
Yeah.

998
01:05:10.619 --> 01:05:22.559
I think, like, I think because series 2, I, because I loved series one so much, and the things that it did were so different, so new, it came back and did something completely new and different.

999
01:05:22.619 --> 01:05:27.360
And then all of the objections to the things new and different that it did.

1000
01:05:27.420 --> 01:05:31.260
And then its response, which was to say, oh yeah, sorry, we shouldn't have done that.

1001
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:39.420
And then, and then you'll have the most Star Treky Star Trek you've ever seen. you know, pike spot. that's right.

1002
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:45.239
But then, you know, the bring it forward into the future just makes it visually so interesting.

1003
01:05:45.300 --> 01:05:49.500
Like it opens up a whole new space. where Starfleet Academy's going to be.

1004
01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:53.099
So that's a whole, you know, it's not the 24th century anymore.

1005
01:05:53.219 --> 01:05:55.500
It's like the 31st or 2nd or whatever.

1006
01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:59.880
But I don't think like you can only point that at discovery.

1007
01:05:59.940 --> 01:06:02.340
Oh, I mean, DS9 ends where it starts at all.

1008
01:06:02.460 --> 01:06:08.219
Like, the 1st 2 series, like, the 1st series of DS9 is so different from like 6 and seven.

1009
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:12.119
Yeah, but it re, it re, you know, it reboots at four.

1010
01:06:12.179 --> 01:06:13.500
It reboots at three.

1011
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:14.760
Do you know what I mean?

1012
01:06:14.820 --> 01:06:16.980
Like it adds new things that kind of decides.

1013
01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:18.000
It's surprising though, isn't it?

1014
01:06:18.059 --> 01:06:27.539
TNG and Voyager, less so Enterprise, are the same for 7 seasons, you know, it's unusual for a show not, sir.

1015
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:35.760
But I, but, you know, it, um, it, like, Star Trek the next generation falters out of the gate.

1016
01:06:35.820 --> 01:06:38.340
It's crap, you know, like it's not good.

1017
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:42.119
And it wouldn't have lasted unless they'd kind of gone.

1018
01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:44.159
We have to fix this.

1019
01:06:44.219 --> 01:06:50.159
Well, they got better at making it, but it's still like the ship, you know, the ship going from place to place.

1020
01:06:50.699 --> 01:06:52.079
But they probably make it a different thing.

1021
01:06:52.139 --> 01:07:03.360
Like focussing on the characters in a way, you know, not as much as DS9 does, but there's no sign of sort of juggling empires in series one of DS9, is there?

1022
01:07:03.420 --> 01:07:06.360
It's all a dreadful TNG knockoffs.

1023
01:07:06.420 --> 01:07:08.579
Which we will have to cover at some point.

1024
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:12.480
Yeah, mostly bad, but, you know, move along home.

1025
01:07:12.539 --> 01:07:14.639
It's so great though.

1026
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:17.880
A la Marine.

1027
01:07:18.059 --> 01:07:20.039
I'm a Marine.

1028
01:07:20.099 --> 01:07:21.119
Then free more.

1029
01:07:21.179 --> 01:07:22.559
Where's my fucking agent?