WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-06 at 21:38:57 1 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:24.480 Hey, Joe. Hi. 2 00:00:24.539 --> 00:00:34.619 So, we're back doing an episode that screened just less than 2 years ago, so some fairly recent Star Trek. 3 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:42.299 It's Lower Decks series 3, episode 7, a mathematically perfect redemption. 4 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:50.159 And you were saying before, and I think maybe in last week's episode that this is one of your favourite Kurtzman era, Trek episodes. 5 00:00:50.219 --> 00:00:54.899 A mathematically perfect episode of Star Trek, I would say. 6 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:58.500 Yeah, I think this is really unique. 7 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:09.840 I just love the fact it basically skews the regulars completely and goes off, it tells this tale on the other side of the galaxy with a Xacomp of all things. 8 00:01:09.900 --> 00:01:13.319 Now, I don't really remember too much of the history of peanut hamper. 9 00:01:13.379 --> 00:01:14.219 Was she a regular character? 10 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:18.959 No, so she just turns up in series one, episode 10. 11 00:01:19.260 --> 00:01:29.099 So the series finale, and we actually see the recap at the beginning where she's asked to help against the Paclands, I think. 12 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:33.659 And, um, uh, she refuses, she says actually, no, I'm not going to help. 13 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:35.760 She sort of pizzes off. 14 00:01:35.819 --> 00:01:40.140 And as a result, of course, Shacks is killed trying to save Rutherford. 15 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:42.840 And Badgie is involved, I think. 16 00:01:42.900 --> 00:01:45.299 So it's all very complicated. 17 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:46.920 We do get a recap of it. 18 00:01:46.980 --> 00:02:06.060 She does the thing that always irritates me in Star Trek, and there isn't a single like 90s trek show that isn't guilty of this of where they go to, you know, a group of people, you know, you can step away from this very dangerous situation if you want to, and everyone goes, oh, no, sir, I'll come with you into any situation. 19 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:07.560 And I always say to you, don't I? 20 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:09.419 Why does nobody just go, do you know what? 21 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:15.960 I'm not going to do that, you know, like I'm not, and she, at the beginning of this, just goes, yeah, I'm not going to do that. 22 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:19.680 She's going, it's my 1st day. 23 00:02:19.740 --> 00:02:22.439 You know, like, it's literally my 1st day. 24 00:02:22.500 --> 00:02:23.939 I'm not gonna go and sacrifice myself. 25 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:25.199 But she's so awful. 26 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:26.939 She's like, see you later, Lucy. 27 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:28.259 I was thinking they're all gonna die. 28 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:40.860 And then immediately I'm going, I'll preempt in the episode now immediately, obviously, they're rescued by the Titan and Captain Riker. and she's just left flying in space going, Hey, guys, you know, come back. 29 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:44.939 And thus our adventure begins here. 30 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:45.900 Yeah. 31 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:46.560 Yeah. 32 00:02:46.620 --> 00:02:48.539 And so it's it is pretty great. 33 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:58.020 It is on a sort of planet called Ariolus, and there are bird people, but not the bird people that we've seen on Star Trek before, more of which later I imagine. 34 00:02:58.259 --> 00:03:04.500 And it's just a very kind of sweet and funny story. 35 00:03:04.620 --> 00:03:06.659 And icky, which places. 36 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:08.460 Yeah, places. 37 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:12.300 Yeah, and absolutely undermined by the character of peanut hamper. 38 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:17.939 So it's called a mathematically perfect redemption named after how she gets her name. 39 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:22.439 She says in series one, episode 10, that it's her mathematically perfect name. 40 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:26.280 She's calculated that the perfect name for her is peanut hamper. 41 00:03:26.340 --> 00:03:29.219 Um, and it's not a redemption at all. 42 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:31.080 She's awful all the way through. 43 00:03:31.139 --> 00:03:39.240 And we think she's growing to become a better person. and it's completely undermined at the end and then undermined again. 44 00:03:39.300 --> 00:03:41.340 So it is pretty great. 45 00:03:41.340 --> 00:04:00.180 And where she ends up puts her in a great position for what is something a little bit more like an actual redemption, which takes place in season four, episode seven, an episode that screened just a year ago called A Few Badgies More, which features her and Agamus, who she meets in the final episode. 46 00:04:00.180 --> 00:04:02.699 Jeffrey Coombs. 47 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:02.939 Yeah. 48 00:04:03.060 --> 00:04:07.500 You and I could do very evil things together. 49 00:04:09.659 --> 00:04:11.280 So good. 50 00:04:11.340 --> 00:04:15.060 So he's not the only deep safe sign guest star this episode. 51 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:15.960 Did you notice? 52 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:19.500 I did notice the growly, snarly voice of J.G. Hertzler. 53 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:23.519 I didn't even look at the carces because they somehow managed to draw that alien. 54 00:04:23.579 --> 00:04:27.120 So he looks a bit like J.G. Herzler does now as an old man. 55 00:04:28.740 --> 00:04:32.519 So he's the Dracmani captain, the scavenger. 56 00:04:32.579 --> 00:04:38.399 And they're in the next episode, I think, with peanut hamper as well. 57 00:04:38.459 --> 00:04:40.740 Yes, yeah, so he's in it too. 58 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.199 It's a bit like sort of Robert O'Reilly. 59 00:04:43.259 --> 00:04:45.600 You can't really mistake that voice, can you? 60 00:04:45.660 --> 00:04:47.639 You're like, yeah. 61 00:04:47.699 --> 00:04:53.160 This episode absolutely proves as well that Star Trek just needs more cunts in it. 62 00:04:53.220 --> 00:04:57.240 There's just not enough characters that are just really... 63 00:04:57.300 --> 00:04:58.199 Awful people. 64 00:04:58.259 --> 00:05:04.620 Gee, Rudbury seem to think that everyone should be, you know, morally light and lovely people going around the universe. 65 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:07.259 But actually, this proves, I was sort of thinking. 66 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:12.420 What other shows Star Trek shows have given us, you know, really horrible people like this. 67 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:17.279 I'm thinking, well, maybe sometimes Garak could be a bit awful and he was wonderful, right? 68 00:05:17.339 --> 00:05:18.120 We loved him for it. 69 00:05:18.180 --> 00:05:20.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 70 00:05:20.819 --> 00:05:34.139 Probably the ultimate example of a long-term character that is constantly undermining, insulting, and generally getting in the way and yet somehow still being of great help when the situation needs irritatingly. 71 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:36.779 Oh, I could have done with a bit more peanut hamper. 72 00:05:36.899 --> 00:05:45.839 I mean, lower decks does have a bare hit rate than not of having characters which sort of toe the line between being quite horrible and quite lovely. 73 00:05:45.899 --> 00:05:50.519 And I do like that, you know, it just makes it a more interesting ensemble. 74 00:05:50.579 --> 00:05:52.740 But the fact that this is one of those robots. 75 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:55.139 So it's cute little robots from quality of life. 76 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:56.579 That's a total bitch. 77 00:05:57.180 --> 00:06:00.300 It's just such a weird juxtaposition. 78 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:01.079 I love it. 79 00:06:01.139 --> 00:06:05.160 Well, except it is kind of inevitable, isn't it? 80 00:06:05.220 --> 00:06:09.480 Like once we discovering quality of life that the XOcoms are sentient. 81 00:06:09.540 --> 00:06:15.300 You kind of think the next natural thing is the 1st exocomp in Starfleet, and they go there. 82 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.100 It's a brilliant, brilliant idea. 83 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:19.560 And having her bee. 84 00:06:19.620 --> 00:06:22.019 So incredibly hilarious at all. 85 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:25.920 I think the creators have stepped back and gone, right, we want this really terrible character. 86 00:06:25.980 --> 00:06:31.740 What is the cutest thing we can possibly think of in Star Trek that ain't a tribble. 87 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:33.420 Oh, the exacomps. 88 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:35.879 Yeah, they were just so cutesy wootsy. 89 00:06:35.939 --> 00:06:37.500 She's so good. 90 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:44.579 And then it's just how it jumps through all the rings of a redemption episode in Star Trek, you know? 91 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:49.199 And I remember the 1st time I watched it and I was going, oh, you know, she's not so bad after all. 92 00:06:49.259 --> 00:06:55.500 And then at the end, feeling really stupid because this was called a mathematically precise redemption. 93 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:56.279 You know? 94 00:06:56.699 --> 00:06:58.560 Did I say precise? 95 00:06:58.620 --> 00:06:59.279 I meant perfect. 96 00:06:59.339 --> 00:07:00.000 Yeah. 97 00:07:00.060 --> 00:07:04.379 But also as well, I think it's a really visually interesting episode as well. 98 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:10.019 I think the planet is gorgeous and there's sort of space effects and ships coming in and all sorts. 99 00:07:10.139 --> 00:07:12.660 It's just so brilliant all rounder. 100 00:07:12.779 --> 00:07:16.980 And totally unlike anything lower decks has done anywhere else as well. 101 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:22.560 It's telling a fresh type of Star Trek episode and we can only applaud it for that. 102 00:07:22.620 --> 00:07:28.079 You must have been so pleased at how many times the word fuck was blooped out in this as well. 103 00:07:28.259 --> 00:07:30.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 104 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:36.180 I mean, I prefer keeping it in, but they do bleep it in lower decks and say that's fine, I guess. 105 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:42.839 It's so funny because you're like, oh, no, she's going to go down onto this pre-warp civilisation and, you know, affect them with technology. 106 00:07:42.899 --> 00:07:43.199 No. 107 00:07:43.259 --> 00:07:45.839 The 1st thing she does is infect them with swear words. 108 00:07:45.899 --> 00:07:47.160 So good. 109 00:07:47.220 --> 00:07:48.300 Let's watch this thing. 110 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:49.199 We're gonna have a great time. 111 00:07:49.259 --> 00:07:50.819 Okay, all right. 112 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:53.220 I will count us in. 113 00:07:53.939 --> 00:07:59.819 Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off. 114 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.519 So it's the Cerritos. 115 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:03.600 No, I didn't. 116 00:08:03.660 --> 00:08:04.079 Yes. 117 00:08:04.139 --> 00:08:06.240 In, yes, in the, in the eye dent. 118 00:08:06.300 --> 00:08:15.540 So we don't get the opening credits in this, and I'm a bit sad about that because I love the opening credits and the music, but we get a beautiful version of the credits music. 119 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:23.040 The music's great, but it's also, as well, just showing the time and the distance that poor peanut hamper is travelling. 120 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:29.579 So here we see the Cerritos being carved up by that giant pack led ship. 121 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:33.179 Like if you squinted, that could be really good CGI. 122 00:08:33.179 --> 00:08:36.179 Yeah, well, it is really, isn't it? 123 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:37.500 So peanut hamper. 124 00:08:37.980 --> 00:08:41.639 You can load it into your ship with your robotic abilities. 125 00:08:41.700 --> 00:08:42.899 Nah, you're right. 126 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:45.120 Yeah, I'm gonna pass. 127 00:08:45.179 --> 00:08:46.200 Off she goes. 128 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:49.019 That's so cute. 129 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:51.299 I love the design of the Xacombs. 130 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:53.639 Yeah, yeah, they're awesome, aren't they? 131 00:08:53.700 --> 00:08:54.539 They're really really good. 132 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:57.840 We're all gonna die. 133 00:08:57.899 --> 00:09:00.480 We're all overacting enormously. 134 00:09:00.539 --> 00:09:01.559 It was wonderful. 135 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:03.600 Sucks to be organic. 136 00:09:03.659 --> 00:09:04.500 Enjoy. 137 00:09:04.500 --> 00:09:06.179 I mean, you've got... 138 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:09.299 She's not only a bad thing. 139 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:10.559 She's sarcastic with it. 140 00:09:10.620 --> 00:09:11.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 141 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:12.600 Yeah. 142 00:09:12.659 --> 00:09:13.919 And it's just great. 143 00:09:13.980 --> 00:09:15.779 She does a commentary on the end of the episode. 144 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:24.960 Yeah, this is the episode end where Shaq gets killed on the ship, the ship explodes and the big guy died. 145 00:09:25.019 --> 00:09:27.059 I mean, she does go as well. 146 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:28.379 They wanted me to do that. 147 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:29.940 No way, Jose. 148 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:31.620 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 149 00:09:31.740 --> 00:09:37.019 And there's the, there's the, the, uh, um, Titan. 150 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:38.940 I don't know why, though. 151 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:42.960 The Warriors just all gracefully sort of spins through space. 152 00:09:43.019 --> 00:09:44.519 I feel really sorry for her. 153 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:47.220 Yeah, and she's tiny in the shot. 154 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:48.360 Like she's really small. 155 00:09:48.419 --> 00:09:55.919 It turns out one bit of that debris is the original implant. 156 00:09:56.039 --> 00:10:03.419 Rutherford's original implant that he has in series one and that gets picked up because it has a copy of badgie in it. 157 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:05.700 And... 158 00:10:05.700 --> 00:10:06.480 So sinister. 159 00:10:06.539 --> 00:10:07.320 That bloody bad. 160 00:10:07.379 --> 00:10:09.179 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 161 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:17.279 So there's an episode in series 4, which is a kind of sequel to this that Peanut Hamper and Agamus, I think is pronounced. 162 00:10:17.340 --> 00:10:21.960 Peanut, hamper, and Agamus appearing called, um, a few badgies more. 163 00:10:22.019 --> 00:10:31.320 And it's very, it's really very good and it has some surprising extra badgies, as you might expect, from the name. 164 00:10:31.379 --> 00:10:35.580 This, that slow down tower music and that beautiful animation. 165 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:39.419 It is a mission statement that this is something a bit different though, isn't it? 166 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:40.139 Yeah. 167 00:10:40.259 --> 00:10:40.919 Yeah. 168 00:10:40.980 --> 00:10:56.700 And I think, you know, like, this, like, there are ways that this show sees itself as a sequel to the animated series because it is the 1st Star Trek animation that's been attempted since then. 169 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:02.879 But obviously it's beautifully and expensively animated, and they're really proud of that. 170 00:11:02.940 --> 00:11:09.600 Like they make beautiful things in a way that Kurtzman Trek does and in a way that 90s trek often doesn't. 171 00:11:10.019 --> 00:11:17.100 I love the fact that peanut hamperers created a rock and made it look like a exacomp and that's her best friend. 172 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:20.100 She's like, I will never leave you. for me like that. 173 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:20.820 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 174 00:11:20.820 --> 00:11:21.960 I'll never leave you so weird. 175 00:11:22.019 --> 00:11:23.159 The 2nd someone comes home. 176 00:11:23.220 --> 00:11:24.539 See you later, sorry. 177 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:26.399 There's only one of us. 178 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:27.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 179 00:11:28.019 --> 00:11:29.100 Yeah, here you go. 180 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:30.240 You've got a friend for life. 181 00:11:31.259 --> 00:11:33.480 She's so awful. 182 00:11:33.539 --> 00:11:35.759 So here's the drug money turning up. 183 00:11:35.820 --> 00:11:38.940 And so immediately there's the tractor beam. 184 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:41.399 She flings it into the tractor beam, doesn't she? 185 00:11:41.460 --> 00:11:42.720 Is that what's happening? 186 00:11:42.779 --> 00:11:43.919 Off she goes. 187 00:11:43.980 --> 00:11:45.299 Yep, there goes, Soph. 188 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:45.600 Bye. 189 00:11:46.860 --> 00:11:48.899 She's so awful. 190 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:53.879 It's brilliant She just will not learn anything. terrific. 191 00:11:53.940 --> 00:11:58.799 And to be fair, even during the moments where it looks like the redemption is genuinely occurring. 192 00:11:58.860 --> 00:12:01.860 She's still snippy and sarky and... 193 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:04.139 Mean about the planet. 194 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:05.940 You know, this beautiful planet. 195 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:10.259 Look at this from the point of view of her waking up with all the binary numbers. 196 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:17.519 Oh, so no, we're doing the usual hair, you know, the Starfleet character that's landed on the planet is being hailed as a gold. 197 00:12:17.580 --> 00:12:20.580 Yeah, yeah, it's thine own self, isn't it? 198 00:12:21.419 --> 00:12:23.759 Oh, I love these bird people. 199 00:12:23.820 --> 00:12:25.379 So great. 200 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:32.519 So in Zelda Breath of the Wild, there is a village of wild. 201 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:38.879 And that was all we could think about, me and Brendan and James when we were watching this. 202 00:12:38.940 --> 00:12:48.779 It's Peanut Hamper goes to Rito Village and is rude about everyone. sort of the huge jungle vistas and that was reminded me a bit of Avatar as well, you know? 203 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:50.340 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 204 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.059 Oh yeah, I think there's there are some definite visual references to Avatar. 205 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:54.899 And here too. 206 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:57.480 So this is um... 207 00:12:58.799 --> 00:12:59.639 Oh, what's his name? 208 00:12:59.700 --> 00:13:12.000 Caltoris, the leader, and he's scraping some stuff off her because she's been horribly scorched, like her Starfleet uniform is burned off because it was just painted on, obviously. 209 00:13:12.059 --> 00:13:16.200 And he's scraping it off and she's kind of getting off on it. 210 00:13:16.259 --> 00:13:17.700 So we said, you know what I mean? 211 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:19.740 And what is a sort of rather creepy way? 212 00:13:19.740 --> 00:13:21.779 Like, oh, you know, just... 213 00:13:21.779 --> 00:13:23.820 Do it again or whatever you were doing over there. 214 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:24.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 215 00:13:24.779 --> 00:13:27.360 Yeah, you're creepy, dreadful. 216 00:13:27.779 --> 00:13:33.419 It's not the creepiest thing that happens in this between that robot and a bird person. 217 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:35.639 The hotbird person. 218 00:13:35.700 --> 00:13:42.120 Take a good look at this beautiful Avian village because by the end of it, it's going to be a burnt cinder. 219 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:44.460 Yeah, yeah. 220 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:45.419 And it is beautiful. 221 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:49.860 I mean, everything just looks stunning and these people are really just well realised. 222 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:54.659 And it's funny as well because so they've rejected technology. 223 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:56.159 We don't know what I do. 224 00:13:56.220 --> 00:13:57.659 That's really special. 225 00:13:57.720 --> 00:13:58.019 Thanks. 226 00:13:59.879 --> 00:14:04.440 And she makes candy because, of course, they've got a little replicator built in. 227 00:14:04.500 --> 00:14:08.039 Remember, so it can build tools, so she's giving it candy. 228 00:14:08.100 --> 00:14:16.559 Wasn't thine own self the same sort of story, again, where data was improving things in the village until we realised that... 229 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:19.799 Except, yes, he brought radioactive. 230 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:21.179 He was killing them all. 231 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:22.320 Unfortunately, yeah. 232 00:14:22.379 --> 00:14:24.299 Oh, he is, yes. 233 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:25.679 It's very buff, isn't it? 234 00:14:25.740 --> 00:14:36.960 I love it when she says later, though, you know, at the end when she's throwing all her insults just on her way out of the village, she goes, he cries after he has sex every time. cries after we do it. 235 00:14:38.580 --> 00:14:41.879 Yeah, so he's very like that, you know. 236 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:44.700 They're usually the muscly ones actually. 237 00:14:44.940 --> 00:14:46.799 Well, they go. 238 00:14:46.860 --> 00:14:48.360 So he is hot, isn't he? 239 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:49.259 Buff bird guy. 240 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:55.860 I'm getting some major bad boy finished vibes. 241 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:58.980 Keep it in your pants, sister. 242 00:14:59.340 --> 00:15:06.000 And I think that's Lauren Tom, who plays Amy in Futurama. is that. 243 00:15:06.059 --> 00:15:07.259 The woman there. 244 00:15:07.379 --> 00:15:09.899 Imagine if this was live action. 245 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:11.220 What these bird people would look like? 246 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:13.019 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 247 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:13.679 They look terrible. 248 00:15:13.740 --> 00:15:24.779 So, the bird, there are bird people in, um, in the animated series, and they're called Aurelians, and in fact... 249 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:28.019 Yeah, she calls them poor man's Aurelians. 250 00:15:28.139 --> 00:15:33.899 She refers to the REO as poor man's Aurelians. 251 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:42.360 And in fact, we saw the other day in prodigy that Chakotay's 1st officer is a flightless Aurelian. 252 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:49.259 Arik Adrik, who, uh, we, so they're back. 253 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:51.539 So they're in prodigy and they are in lower decks. 254 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:53.940 Humping best on with animation, don't you think? 255 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:55.379 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 256 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:57.179 Well, it's like the cat people, isn't it? 257 00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:58.080 Do you know what I mean? 258 00:15:58.139 --> 00:16:02.399 Like maress or whatever in the animated series and obviously Dr. Ta'ana in this. 259 00:16:02.460 --> 00:16:08.159 Um, and Miglamo isn't, he's not an Aurelian or one of these guys either. 260 00:16:08.220 --> 00:16:10.980 So a skysnake is attacking. 261 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:13.559 Everything's flies out. 262 00:16:13.620 --> 00:16:14.759 What is it called? 263 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:16.799 That's what's the great thing. 264 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:18.779 In the village. 265 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:19.320 Yes. 266 00:16:19.379 --> 00:16:26.039 They have flying pigs and flying goats and like just everything has wings and flies on, there's the flying pigs. 267 00:16:26.100 --> 00:16:28.019 There's some flying goats in a cage. 268 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:30.600 Are we milking the milk, yeah. 269 00:16:30.659 --> 00:16:31.860 She's milking. 270 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:33.779 The goat did a very upsetting mate. 271 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:39.360 Oh, it's so great. 272 00:16:42.419 --> 00:16:44.220 Oh, gosh, router. 273 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:46.799 You're not going to turn on by that bird, man, are you? 274 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:48.720 I am hot bird man. 275 00:16:48.779 --> 00:16:53.100 So he's been bit by a skysnake and he's obviously going to die. 276 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:56.519 It's so shitty, coach. 277 00:16:56.580 --> 00:16:57.899 It's the circle of life. 278 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.059 He killed me with his venom. 279 00:17:00.179 --> 00:17:04.140 I killed him with my spear and she just comes in and goes, hang on. 280 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:05.640 It's a manti-venom. 281 00:17:05.700 --> 00:17:07.319 No, you're saying you're being a big baby. 282 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:14.039 And she cures him and she starts to do these things just because she's kind of annoyed by how shit they are. 283 00:17:14.099 --> 00:17:21.240 And then it starts to look like she's actually making their lives better, which is a thing that she actually is doing. 284 00:17:21.299 --> 00:17:24.900 Oh, she's definitely making broadware. like better in a minute. 285 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:26.579 Yeah, well yeah. 286 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:32.339 But he lets out a scream that can be heard all across the village. 287 00:17:32.700 --> 00:17:35.339 Oh, I couldn't believe they did that. 288 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:37.200 The orgasm. couldn't believe it. 289 00:17:39.180 --> 00:17:43.740 Well, I mean, we have Shacks and Taana having sex. 290 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:51.420 Oh, I can just about handle that, but a wet tongued snog between a robot and a birdman. 291 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:53.700 Yeah, I made that into species too far. 292 00:17:57.539 --> 00:18:01.140 Yeah, so now she's very popular and she's helping people and stuff. 293 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:05.339 Oh, she's sort of flying around with a shopping bag or is that a doctor's bag? 294 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:06.000 Apparently. 295 00:18:06.779 --> 00:18:10.500 My faecal matter is back to being oily and white. 296 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:10.920 Thank you. 297 00:18:10.980 --> 00:18:12.839 But also gross. 298 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.380 See, she hasn't quite lost a rich. 299 00:18:16.500 --> 00:18:18.059 No that's right. 300 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:19.259 Oh, I love this. 301 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:22.440 She shoots all the birds and they all hatch all the little chicklings. 302 00:18:22.500 --> 00:18:23.579 It's wonderful. 303 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:30.299 And then, of course, they're trying to make her as cute as possible, so all the birds get on top of her and just... 304 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:30.839 That's right. 305 00:18:30.900 --> 00:18:31.319 Yeah. 306 00:18:32.220 --> 00:18:36.180 Yeah, so we actually do do a proper redemption arc. 307 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:39.359 Her and Jeffrey Coombes do one in a few badges more. 308 00:18:39.420 --> 00:18:41.519 So she does actually get a bit of a redemption. 309 00:18:41.579 --> 00:18:44.039 I almost don't want that to happen, though. 310 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:45.420 Yeah. 311 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:56.880 But she does get to team up with Megalum and I call computer and she's locked up in the Daystrom Institute in a thing called the Self-aware Megalomaniacal Computer Storage. 312 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:58.740 Just when that... 313 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:03.539 Undertake camera, when that image pans out and you see just how many evil robots are locked away. 314 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:05.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 315 00:19:05.460 --> 00:19:07.380 It's kind of like where Landry would go. 316 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:09.119 Yeah, except he didn't, obviously. 317 00:19:09.180 --> 00:19:12.119 We could probably compile a list actually over the last 50 years. 318 00:19:12.180 --> 00:19:14.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. killer computers. 319 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:20.700 So this is him singing and you're expecting it to be beautiful and he just shrieks and screeches. 320 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:25.440 How many Star Trek Voyager episodes have we had when they're looking over a beautiful valley like this? 321 00:19:25.500 --> 00:19:32.819 Harry Kim and his latest girlfriend on the planet, except it's some dreadful matted in special effects. 322 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:35.519 And here it looks cool. meant to be a drawing. 323 00:19:35.579 --> 00:19:36.420 That's right. 324 00:19:38.099 --> 00:19:40.500 She feels like she's growing up. 325 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:41.460 Yeah. 326 00:19:41.460 --> 00:19:42.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 327 00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:44.160 So it is all working. 328 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:48.359 Just saying all the right things, all the things we need to hear, to think she's evolving as a person. 329 00:19:49.259 --> 00:19:53.640 I was completely fooled the 1st time round because I was like, you know what? 330 00:19:53.700 --> 00:19:58.319 Lower deck does have an edge, but it also can be very touching and very heartwarming as well. 331 00:19:58.380 --> 00:20:00.480 Yeah, and that's true. 332 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.480 And like it normally is heartwarming and touching. 333 00:20:03.539 --> 00:20:05.039 You've got Mariner, do you know what I mean? 334 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:09.240 Rebelling and stuff like that, but with a heart of gold and stuff, we're about to have sex. 335 00:20:09.299 --> 00:20:10.680 Oh Jesus Christ. 336 00:20:10.740 --> 00:20:13.019 How around 10 noise come shooting? 337 00:20:13.019 --> 00:20:15.059 Yeah, his hair goes around. 338 00:20:15.180 --> 00:20:18.420 She goes, oh, and now she's looking at his dick. 339 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:20.039 It looks like it's very complicated. 340 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:28.140 I just can't look at this where they start kissing. no His wind's become an enormous heart for the waterfall. 341 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:30.660 There he is. having an orgasm. 342 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:31.440 Boy, oh boy. 343 00:20:31.500 --> 00:20:33.299 Have you ever screamed that loud? 344 00:20:33.420 --> 00:20:35.279 I think I have once or twice. 345 00:20:35.339 --> 00:20:39.299 So this is, don't you think this is Avatar? 346 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:42.420 We're in the glowing sort of flowers bed thing. 347 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:51.900 Yeah, so now we start to get the backstory and we understand that she doesn't know. 348 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:56.339 But we understand why they're so fearful of how to start off with because they used to have technology. 349 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:57.059 Yeah. 350 00:20:57.059 --> 00:20:58.200 It ended bad. 351 00:20:58.259 --> 00:20:59.640 And why the science is so crap. 352 00:20:59.700 --> 00:21:02.940 Why they're just happy to let themselves get killed by the skysnake and stuff? 353 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:14.579 And so this is her discovering that they were a space faring civilisation at one and presumably this is where she actually decides to kind of go evil again. 354 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:15.960 Do you know what I mean? 355 00:21:16.019 --> 00:21:19.259 Maybe up to this point, some kind of redemption is happening. 356 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:24.539 I love it when science fiction does this with the pictures on the wall depicting the entire history of the planet. 357 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:26.279 Yeah, just a few images. 358 00:21:26.460 --> 00:21:33.480 And you know, I thought for a 2nd I was going to have a chance to go, my God, look how accurately they've drawn, stock cave set, number 52. 359 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:36.420 And then they go into this vast cabin. 360 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:40.680 I was like, 0 yeah, 90s tracks would not have done that. 361 00:21:40.740 --> 00:21:41.940 No. 362 00:21:43.619 --> 00:21:45.960 Oh, yeah, yeah. 363 00:21:46.019 --> 00:21:48.660 Yeah, so what's happening here? 364 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:52.859 Like, she's kind of saying that she's not good. 365 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:55.019 She feels bad. 366 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:57.660 And you don't know how to read it, do you? 367 00:21:57.720 --> 00:21:58.859 Like even in retrospect. 368 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:04.859 I think the only way to kind of read it is naively that she actually means this, I think. 369 00:22:04.859 --> 00:22:10.619 Well, and I was just incredibly confused the 1st time I was watching it with this nuanced characterisation of an exacomp. 370 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:12.599 Are we really doing this? 371 00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:13.799 Yeah, yeah. 372 00:22:13.859 --> 00:22:15.720 Well, I mean, how far are we in? 373 00:22:15.779 --> 00:22:21.960 We still haven't seen um, like we... more than halfway and we haven't seen the crew. 374 00:22:22.019 --> 00:22:36.059 Frankly, after, you know, in season one of TOS, when we saw, you know, the water, the water duvet, being able to display such raw emotions, I think Star Trek could actually personify anything. 375 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:36.720 Yeah. 376 00:22:36.779 --> 00:22:44.880 Yeah, so they had sex again, and apparently whenever they have sex, a bunch of flying tortoises up here. 377 00:22:44.940 --> 00:22:46.859 So now they're getting married. 378 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:48.720 It's so powerful when the seasons change. 379 00:22:48.779 --> 00:22:49.500 Yes that's right. 380 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:52.019 We have roosted here today, he says. 381 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:55.319 It's the wing joining of the 2 of them. 382 00:22:55.380 --> 00:22:57.839 And she's wearing a beak, a bridal beat. 383 00:22:57.900 --> 00:22:58.980 The veil. 384 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:01.680 So ridiculous. 385 00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:04.619 Can I tell you right? 386 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:06.240 even jamma love this. 387 00:23:06.299 --> 00:23:08.099 He gave this 3.5 stars. 388 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:11.579 It's one of his highest rated Kurtzman episodes. 389 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:12.180 Yeah. 390 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:15.779 Yeah, okay Oh my god, it's the Sky Avengers. 391 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:25.440 Oh, yeah, he's mossly, but he is a bit he's a bit emotional, isn't he, raw dog? 392 00:23:25.500 --> 00:23:27.299 He's a bit weird, but he is hot. 393 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:28.259 So that's fine. 394 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:33.180 So she staged this, hasn't she? 395 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:35.519 So, wait, here's J.G. Hertz. 396 00:23:35.579 --> 00:23:36.720 Seriously, doesn't it? 397 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:39.359 It does look like him. 398 00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:39.960 He's gone. 399 00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:42.480 Even the scar... 400 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:46.259 The Martok scar as well. like down the eye. 401 00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:54.119 And this is so funny because, you know, when you learn that she's literally there thinking, great, they're here on time, right? 402 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:56.700 Yeah, it's entire place. 403 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:01.799 Yeah, she looks like she's, she's, uh, she's being a hero. 404 00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:07.259 Oh, this is where she sends the, she sends the message, doesn't she? 405 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:14.819 She sends a message to the Soritos for them to come and witness her bravery in the face of a thirsty. 406 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:17.759 Old babies, the babies. 407 00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:21.299 Oh, save you, she goes. 408 00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:22.319 Yeah, exactly. 409 00:24:23.579 --> 00:24:27.960 Here's the Serritos. there we are But the trouble is, right? 410 00:24:28.019 --> 00:24:30.660 Think of, oh, actually, it's got bird people in there. 411 00:24:30.779 --> 00:24:36.480 It's all our regulars, except to Anna, but we're all on the fridge there. because they are doing their contractual obligation. 412 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:38.460 Yes, yeah, yeah. 413 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:39.900 Star Trek, isn't it? 414 00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:52.680 Think of par situational or whatever that episode's called, Avoyager. and Neelix. and they go down onto the bird planet and they hatch the little boat and they put their jealousy aside and they do wonderful things. 415 00:24:52.740 --> 00:24:58.619 And it's basically the same sort of plot, but of course in that, everything is exactly as it seems, whereas the joy of this is. 416 00:24:58.680 --> 00:24:59.220 Yeah. 417 00:24:59.220 --> 00:25:00.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 418 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:05.400 It's how it's some, it's the cliche. it's wonderful Yeah, it's great. 419 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:12.240 Sorry, I can't hear you because I'm staring at Rowder's... buff torso. 420 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:18.180 Who can save us? 421 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:19.559 She goes. 422 00:25:20.579 --> 00:25:24.000 That needs of the view, baby. 423 00:25:24.059 --> 00:25:26.579 Even the way she flies off, it's sort of graceful. 424 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:28.980 They're not really sort of dynamic, are they? 425 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:29.759 The ex-acomps. 426 00:25:29.819 --> 00:25:30.660 No, no, no. 427 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:35.039 The exocomps are very much... 428 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:35.700 On a string. 429 00:25:35.700 --> 00:25:37.559 Yes, exactly. 430 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:40.920 Canonically on a string. 431 00:25:44.339 --> 00:25:46.079 Who's that bird man on the bridge? 432 00:25:46.140 --> 00:25:47.039 Is that the counsellor? 433 00:25:47.099 --> 00:25:48.539 That's Miglamo, the counsellor. 434 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:49.319 Yeah, yeah. 435 00:25:49.380 --> 00:25:53.339 So he isn't a Aurelian or an Ariel. 436 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:54.539 I love as well. 437 00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:58.740 Like, Tendi, every single time the X-Com does something. 438 00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:00.779 She's like, oh, it's peanut hamper. 439 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:07.019 She's utterly convinced because she's so lovely that this monstrous robot can be redeemed. 440 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:17.460 Do you know, if I was J.G. Herser, I'd start to feel as if I'm being typecast a bit, you know, playing all these snarling. it's work, I suppose. 441 00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:19.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 442 00:26:19.859 --> 00:26:22.980 And he does play Martoc, remember, in the game? 443 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:28.380 I think it's in the, um, that hunting game, the least dangerous game that we've already done. 444 00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:30.480 He was in an episode already. 445 00:26:30.539 --> 00:26:32.039 There she is, saving the day. 446 00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:35.099 Right, where the hell are the Cerritos crew? 447 00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:35.640 Did I see it? 448 00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:40.019 At this point. 449 00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:42.900 I have to keep saying it. 450 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:47.220 At this point, I was so convinced by everything that this was playing out in this episode. 451 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:49.859 No, and they're there. 452 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:51.900 You know, they're going to forgive her and stuff. 453 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:54.180 It's it's very exciting. 454 00:26:54.240 --> 00:27:01.980 But it's like one of those moments where I want to jump out of my seat and punch the air because I was so thoroughly hoodwinked by it. 455 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:10.740 I think maybe in the back of my head, I was like, well, if she's gone to the length of having sex with that bird, she must mean it. 456 00:27:10.740 --> 00:27:13.319 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 457 00:27:13.380 --> 00:27:14.160 Yeah, yeah. 458 00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:16.859 But she just likes having sex, I think. 459 00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:18.480 Oh, peanut hamper. 460 00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:21.059 We witnessed Peter had the selfless act. 461 00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:27.720 Oh, now, no, I'm sorry, now I wouldn't be so convinced. 462 00:27:27.779 --> 00:27:29.279 Now she's laying it on a bit too. 463 00:27:29.339 --> 00:27:31.380 These beautiful birds that I meant. 464 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:33.960 Yes, I understand love and sacrifice. 465 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:35.579 And blah, blah, blah. 466 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:39.599 And it was this bit now, which goes, no, no, no, you stay here with your people. 467 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:43.859 I must return to them. 468 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.799 I think we have heard that a few times in Star Trek. 469 00:27:46.859 --> 00:27:47.220 Yes. 470 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:48.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 471 00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:48.480 Yeah. 472 00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.140 Well, it's another romance episode, isn't it? 473 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:53.940 We've talked about Star Trek romance episodes. 474 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.220 This is one of the more convincing one. 475 00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:57.299 Yeah, that's right. 476 00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:59.339 This works quite well. does work quite well. 477 00:27:59.579 --> 00:28:04.740 Look, if only all-star trip romance has had that many muscles on display, we'd be quite happy. 478 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:06.000 Yeah. 479 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.980 Instead, we end up with a hot guy. 480 00:28:08.099 --> 00:28:12.240 Icky men like it, Meridian and the price and things like that. 481 00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:12.960 Yeah. 482 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:13.680 Yep. 483 00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:16.140 Oh, what's the current now? 484 00:28:16.259 --> 00:28:18.599 Oh, so the ship. 485 00:28:18.660 --> 00:28:19.440 Oh, yeah. 486 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:27.240 Yeah, because we blew up the ship, so they've got one of our ships, one of the REO ships, and we're attacking with that. 487 00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:39.359 My, um, my one criticism of this episode is that the unfortunate thing about an episode with a brilliant twist is when you know the twist, you've never experiencing it in the same way. 488 00:28:39.420 --> 00:28:49.140 You know, you saw, you watch the mechanics of the plot and how it's falling you the 2nd time, which does make the 2nd viewing, you know, quite nice, but... 489 00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:51.599 Shakes came in carrying a whole bunch of little baby birds. 490 00:28:51.779 --> 00:28:54.900 They all go sort of bouncing across the village. 491 00:28:56.579 --> 00:28:58.619 And here it is. 492 00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:00.299 This is where it is. 493 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.339 She's been sprung. 494 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:15.180 I did think as well, actually, on this watch, I was like, well, wouldn't she have possibly calculated that this could happen and so destroy J.G. Hertler's ship during the fireworks, maybe? 495 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:17.220 Well, that happened, didn't it? 496 00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:22.740 And they had to get on board one of the old ships from the uh, from the cave. 497 00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:27.839 She's so horrible about these bird people now. house. 498 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:31.799 Star Trek characters just don't behave like this normally. 499 00:29:33.420 --> 00:29:34.920 Yes. 500 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:38.160 And again, she's dismissing them. 501 00:29:38.220 --> 00:29:56.700 You know, she made that crack about how they had an invented tiles and they had straw now shut the fuck up. sounds like you. in that triple episode where he lost his tongue. even cries after we do it. 502 00:29:58.140 --> 00:30:01.380 And Tandy, Tandy silver leaves. 503 00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:02.579 Bless her. 504 00:30:02.579 --> 00:30:03.660 She's doing it again. 505 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:05.460 Wonderfully nice, isn't she? 506 00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:07.079 Smell you later. 507 00:30:08.099 --> 00:30:11.400 Because they all shit everywhere, is her? 508 00:30:12.299 --> 00:30:13.019 She's so awful. 509 00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:14.160 So awful. 510 00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:16.019 Oh boy. 511 00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.920 And so this is the final act. 512 00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:24.420 And now the Cerritos itself is under threat, obviously, from the big spaceship. 513 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:26.460 This battle's pretty bad. fabulous. 514 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:27.420 Look at that. 515 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.119 Sarah and across the hall. looks really good. 516 00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:34.019 Oh, what's the engineer's name? 517 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:35.640 I love that character. 518 00:30:35.700 --> 00:30:39.240 The one where they're trying to get into our sex is the best. 519 00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:40.259 It's so good. 520 00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:42.059 Can we roll that soon, please? 521 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:44.819 Well, let's just keep rolling lower decks. brilliant. 522 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:51.299 In fact, that episode that you mention is the one where Agamus appears for the 1st time. 523 00:30:51.359 --> 00:31:00.779 So the B plot is Boheemler and Mariner down on the planet with Agamus trying not to be seduced by him. 524 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:04.440 And look at Sexy Router, at the helm of the ship. 525 00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:06.119 Nah, he still cries. 526 00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:09.599 No, no, no, but like that's pretty cool. 527 00:31:09.660 --> 00:31:14.460 And so there is something happening here, isn't it? 528 00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:25.740 Where, um, they discover, so they've hidden themselves away and they're a few science and they're kind of pathetic in a way that that peanut hamper correctly identifies. 529 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:31.799 You know, they're full of parasites and their faecal matter isn't sort of white and runny. 530 00:31:32.099 --> 00:31:37.200 Um, and so they kind of learn to accept their past. 531 00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:38.940 You know, they're not retreating here anymore. 532 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:41.640 They are going to, and a new thing is going to happen. 533 00:31:41.700 --> 00:31:44.819 You know, we've got to, you know, we can do what we want. 534 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.519 We don't know if we obey these old rules, which I think is pretty great. 535 00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:50.220 And that's a personal trick message. 536 00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:50.579 There you go. 537 00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.579 You have earned your right to command us now. 538 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:54.720 Yeah. 539 00:31:54.779 --> 00:31:56.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 540 00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.539 So that's actually quite good, and here's peanut hamper trying to get the credit for that. 541 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:01.319 We did it. 542 00:32:01.380 --> 00:32:02.400 Yes. 543 00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:03.720 That's it. 544 00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:08.220 That's it. whatever. 545 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.700 I mean, that would have been a good twist again. 546 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:13.980 No, actually, this is what I was doing all along. 547 00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:15.240 No, no, you weren't. 548 00:32:15.299 --> 00:32:18.240 No, she's just coming to take the take the credit. 549 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:23.400 The Borg. 550 00:32:23.460 --> 00:32:25.259 Enjoy being assimilated. 551 00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:29.220 She's so dreadful. 552 00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:31.500 Lock her up. 553 00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.559 Yeah, that's what we're going to do. 554 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:35.579 There she is. 555 00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:36.720 Oh, I don't know though. 556 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:37.500 Institute. 557 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:43.619 I mean, I love this anything, but I would have just loved this terrible character being in every episode, you know, snarky remarks. 558 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:51.599 So there's another dumb, another dumb, slightly dumb, self-aware. 559 00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:53.519 Oops, I didn't give you Charles to guess. 560 00:32:54.539 --> 00:32:56.160 There he is. 561 00:32:56.220 --> 00:32:57.720 Agamus. 562 00:32:57.779 --> 00:32:59.160 I must say. 563 00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:02.519 That's a mathematically perfect name, Migo. 564 00:33:02.819 --> 00:33:06.240 I think you and I could do awful things together. 565 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:11.940 It's such a great part for Jeffrey Coombs as well. absolutely perfect. 566 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:13.319 He's so good. 567 00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:15.000 But think of that. 568 00:33:15.059 --> 00:33:16.200 I mean, is nomad there? 569 00:33:16.259 --> 00:33:17.220 I can't see. 570 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:23.220 And that beautiful shot... 571 00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:24.059 Stream Institute. 572 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:24.420 Yeah. 573 00:33:24.420 --> 00:33:25.200 Yeah. 574 00:33:25.259 --> 00:33:31.680 And that's what it looks like in Star Trek Picard as well. when you see it in Star Trek Picard, which is pretty great. 575 00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:34.380 They're all talking then, the show runners. 576 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:36.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 577 00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:41.640 It's actually that same shot only, like real, except not real, obviously, a special effect. 578 00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:43.680 It's a true one offer, isn't it? 579 00:33:43.740 --> 00:33:45.539 Like, you couldn't do that every other week. 580 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.220 But boy, oh, boy. 581 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:48.299 It is unique. 582 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:48.960 Yeah. 583 00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.200 And it's just so outrageously funny. 584 00:33:52.259 --> 00:33:54.180 What's being really clever. 585 00:33:54.720 --> 00:34:10.679 I guess the other one that they've done, which is really just a formal experiment where they're trying to do something weird and different and interesting, is that episode Wedge Dudge that introduces the new Vulcan character whose name escapes me. 586 00:34:10.739 --> 00:34:15.360 Um, and it's the one with the 3 lower decks on the different ships. 587 00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:16.139 Remember that? 588 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:26.579 There's the Klingon ship and there's the Vulcan ship and there's our ship and we have, you know, lower decks characters on each of them all involved in the one plot. 589 00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:27.480 I think it's pretty good. 590 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:34.619 It must be in series three, I think, because it introduces that new Vulcan character who appears quite a lot in series four. 591 00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:37.440 When you think of something like Voyager as a whole. 592 00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:49.139 You and I have identified lots of episodes where we divert away from the regular cars and generally that's, you know, because half the regular cars are intolerable. those are the preferable episodes. 593 00:34:49.199 --> 00:35:03.780 Living witness when you've seen them all as evil or timeless where we go to an alternative timeline, you know. the killing game when they're all playing those fabulous French resistance characters, you know, and we're like, well, this is much more fun than the usual Tom Paris and Harry Kim episodes. 594 00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:11.280 Unfortunately, or rather fortunately, with lower decks, we're in the advantageous position of loving all the regular characters. 595 00:35:11.340 --> 00:35:15.119 So you can't do this too often because we want to hang with those people. 596 00:35:15.179 --> 00:35:16.320 Yeah. 597 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:22.440 I did actually find myself missing Mariner and Boemler a little bit by about the midway point. 598 00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:26.940 But obviously this was absolutely worth doing. 599 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:27.480 I think. 600 00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:36.360 Well, the thing this scores is by giving Peanut Hamper her own episode is I desperately want to go to be a regular at the end of the day. 601 00:35:36.420 --> 00:35:39.900 I was like, no, you would compliment this crew perfectly, you know. 602 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.780 And like I said at the start, you can do this. 603 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:49.800 You can have like the anti-hero, like they did with Giorgio in the series and it not feel like Star Trek. 604 00:35:49.860 --> 00:35:51.539 Yeah, yeah. 605 00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:52.920 Oh, wonderful. 606 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:54.719 Terrific stars. so much fun. 607 00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:08.699 All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to work out where we're going next. 608 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:15.840 This was your excellent choice, Joe, and so it's time for me to choose something much worse. 609 00:36:15.900 --> 00:36:21.659 And to that end, I have decided that we're going to do an episode event. 610 00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:22.679 No furniture. 611 00:36:22.739 --> 00:36:24.059 We're going to the project. 612 00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:27.719 I was just waiting to hear an abroas. 613 00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:29.340 What do you mean to say, enterprise? 614 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:37.739 We're still behind on Enterprise, you know, we shouldn't really be doing more Enterprise, but I want to do Voyager because I love it. 615 00:36:38.099 --> 00:36:41.039 So does Kurt's terrible. 616 00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:42.719 Yeah, that's right. 617 00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:48.960 Do you remember that question I've asked about why so much Voyager and so little DS9? 618 00:36:49.019 --> 00:36:52.199 I received an answer this week in an interview? 619 00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:53.760 I can't remember who it was with now. 620 00:36:53.820 --> 00:37:00.599 My memory's terrible, where they basically said, it's such a strong vision and body of work. 621 00:37:00.659 --> 00:37:06.000 They don't want to ruin DS9 by doing too much like afterwards. 622 00:37:06.059 --> 00:37:08.579 And the so I said... 623 00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:08.940 I get it. 624 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:10.260 I said that. 625 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:18.480 Do you remember I said I thought that it would be a bad idea for them to go in there and resolve what happens at the end and kind of ruin it? 626 00:37:18.539 --> 00:37:23.039 Like, that we don't want to see what happens to the emissary. 627 00:37:23.099 --> 00:37:26.639 We don't want to see Cisco come back and we don't need to know that. 628 00:37:26.699 --> 00:37:29.099 I think that there's something to be said for that. 629 00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:30.719 We're changelings a bit. 630 00:37:30.780 --> 00:37:31.860 A weird compliment. 631 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:35.639 We don't want to touch you because you've got too strong of an identity. 632 00:37:35.699 --> 00:37:40.500 And it becomes a compliment to Voyager because it's like, well, your characters are fun. 633 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:43.440 We'll have you in there, but you've got such a shitty identity yourself. 634 00:37:43.500 --> 00:37:45.659 It don't matter what we do. 635 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.219 Yeah, we don't care what happens. 636 00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:49.860 Yeah, they went on, you know. 637 00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:51.960 And did Star Trek things afterwards. 638 00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:52.619 It was fine. 639 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.619 All right, Star Trek Voyager, are we ready? 640 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:57.179 No, but let's do it. 641 00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:58.559 Oh my god. 642 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:03.360 You know, a random soundtrack Voyager episode is the 37s. 643 00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:05.820 Series two, episode one. 644 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:14.519 Do you know, I was listening to a Star Trek podcast the other day where 5 people were talking about the 37s and they were all lauding it. 645 00:38:14.579 --> 00:38:17.099 Like it was this incredible piece of work. 646 00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:19.260 It is such a bad script. 647 00:38:20.820 --> 00:38:24.239 I'm half tempted to do it. 648 00:38:24.300 --> 00:38:28.139 Anything that opens with, oh, it's a truck in space. 649 00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.440 Tom, aren't you an expert on 20th century truck? 650 00:38:34.500 --> 00:38:35.760 All right. 651 00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:41.699 The void, which we covered in episode 117. 652 00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:43.619 Not all that long ago. 653 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:48.900 Season five, episode 20, think tank. 654 00:38:49.739 --> 00:38:52.739 Oh, that's the one. 655 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:56.519 Yeah, it's a really cheap, super brain set. 656 00:38:56.579 --> 00:38:59.639 Um, that sort of thinks through all the problems in here. 657 00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:01.500 It's not that great, if I'm honest. 658 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:04.679 Is it the one with Jason Alexander? 659 00:39:04.739 --> 00:39:05.880 It is. 660 00:39:05.940 --> 00:39:10.199 So Jason Alexander obviously now is on prodigy. 661 00:39:10.619 --> 00:39:15.480 But this is sort of Seinfeld, Jason Alexander, isn't it? 662 00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:18.480 It's about as mid as Voyager gets, you know? 663 00:39:18.539 --> 00:39:25.500 It's like nothing too offensive, but I mean, it was probably a big deal getting Jason Alexander, but now in 2024. 664 00:39:25.619 --> 00:39:26.099 I don't care. 665 00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:30.659 I feel as if we should do something either spectacular or truly dismal. 666 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:33.420 Okay, well, which one is this? 667 00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:37.380 Season seven, episode 11 shattered. 668 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:47.099 So that was the season 7 episode where Chakotay is sort of shattered through time and visits various segments of Voyagers history. 669 00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:53.760 It was there one sort of chance to look back over the last 7 years and say all the progress that they haven't made with the premise. 670 00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:57.300 It stars the medium, Robert. 671 00:39:57.420 --> 00:40:01.380 It does have Cisca in it, though, because it does go back to a period where Cisca's in it. 672 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:05.760 So, okay, that's a thing because what's the other one? 673 00:40:05.820 --> 00:40:07.380 It's not worst case scenario. 674 00:40:07.380 --> 00:40:08.460 It is worst case scenario. 675 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:09.960 She comes back in that too. 676 00:40:10.019 --> 00:40:13.380 We're sort of on the holodeck, but it all goes a bit wrong as it tends to. 677 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:14.940 That's right. 678 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:17.280 Oh, it becomes a hollow novel, doesn't it? 679 00:40:17.340 --> 00:40:18.360 And everyone's playing it. 680 00:40:18.420 --> 00:40:19.739 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 681 00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:28.679 But for an episode that is skipping back through the history of Star Trek Voyager, it's very plain. 682 00:40:28.739 --> 00:40:30.840 Like relativity does the same thing. 683 00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:36.000 Relativity jumps back to just before they boarded Voyager when it's in dry dock. 684 00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:37.800 And it's way more fun. 685 00:40:37.860 --> 00:40:38.940 Pressure again. 686 00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:39.300 Okay. 687 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:40.019 All right. 688 00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:43.139 Oh, I think you're going to want this one. 689 00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:47.159 Season two, episode 18 Death Wish. 690 00:40:47.219 --> 00:40:48.179 Oh, yes. 691 00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:48.780 Yes. 692 00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:49.619 Yeah. 693 00:40:49.619 --> 00:40:52.019 One of the best... 694 00:40:52.380 --> 00:40:53.820 Really? 695 00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:59.340 Okay, so it's John Delancey, but it's not his 1st appearance on Voyager, is it? 696 00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:01.019 It is his 1st appearance on Voyager. 697 00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:03.059 And it's the only appearance. 698 00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:06.780 I won't give any spoilers to what happens to him. of the 2nd cues in this. 699 00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:14.340 It really has something important to say this episode about euthanasia and making choices. 700 00:41:14.460 --> 00:41:16.980 And it's really funny as well. 701 00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:23.159 I think you'll be a bit miffed because I think I think you have a few issues with Q on Voyager, don't you? 702 00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:25.199 That sort of Q Janeway relationship. 703 00:41:25.260 --> 00:41:29.219 The sexism just annoys me, like he just doesn't have to be sexist. 704 00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:36.059 They don't have to ride him that way, but because they're so conscious that they have a female captain, they have to kind of keep mentioning it. 705 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:42.960 Like, as if, as if, uh, Celess had Q talking about how Cisco was black all the time. 706 00:41:43.019 --> 00:41:43.920 Do you know what I mean? 707 00:41:43.980 --> 00:41:46.380 That doesn't happen because that would have been horrific. 708 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:50.880 I kind of think it's a mistake for them to do it with Janeway. 709 00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:54.480 I think this is the only time Q properly works on Voyager. 710 00:41:54.539 --> 00:41:57.239 And that's because, okay, Hiller is writing this script. 711 00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.119 And he really, he really does want to do something. 712 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:04.199 And they conceptualised the queue continuum on this sort of dusty road. 713 00:42:04.260 --> 00:42:05.159 Do you remember? 714 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:06.840 Yes, I remember that very well. 715 00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:07.860 Super interesting. 716 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.800 Voyager somehow ends up as an ornament on a Christmas tree. 717 00:42:10.860 --> 00:42:13.139 I mean, it's just for me. 718 00:42:13.139 --> 00:42:24.360 And there is a brilliant, brilliant scene where Q says to Janeway, if you let this hearing go my way and it just points to the window and earths outside the window. 719 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:27.840 It's a really great episode. 720 00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:29.340 I think we should absolutely do that. 721 00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:30.840 Okay, awesome. 722 00:42:39.900 --> 00:42:44.099 You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley. 723 00:42:44.099 --> 00:42:50.219 We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts. 724 00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:55.800 Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb. 725 00:42:55.860 --> 00:43:01.739 This episode was recorded on the 17th of September 2024 and released on the 20th of September. 726 00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:05.699 We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, Death Wish. 727 00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:31.800 It's a shame we have to come away from lower decks now, and it'll probably be about 10 episodes before we head back again, because I swear this is where we laugh the most. 728 00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:38.579 So, I mean, we're in a position where, you know, as we record or release this. 729 00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:42.900 It's about a month until the final series, series 5 drops. 730 00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:44.940 So it's not too far away. 731 00:43:45.059 --> 00:43:47.159 And it has been great. 732 00:43:47.219 --> 00:43:55.800 I kind of always say it might be C.S. Lewis, who said, there are 2 times you can stop doing something before everyone's sick of it or afterwards. 733 00:43:55.860 --> 00:44:01.739 And, like, I'm so ending. making the right call, I think, but they are making a good call. 734 00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:02.159 I think. 735 00:44:02.219 --> 00:44:03.000 What would it be? 736 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:03.599 50 episodes. 737 00:44:03.659 --> 00:44:05.400 That's a nice episode. 738 00:44:05.460 --> 00:44:07.739 Solid run, Nearly as many as discovery. 739 00:44:07.860 --> 00:44:10.800 Well, I think we said this in the past as well. 740 00:44:10.860 --> 00:44:18.179 Probably the most consistently good arm of Star Trek because it just knows what it's doing. 741 00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:20.579 It knows what it's doing and it does it extremely well. 742 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:38.460 And you know that there's talk of a, um, a live action sitcom of Star Trek in the works, and it, like this has made it clear that it can work as a sick, that can be comedy. 743 00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:43.139 Please, Star Trek, in front of a, you know, live audience. 744 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:48.539 Every time someone gets on the bridge. sitcoms aren't like that anymore. 745 00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:50.159 I think it could be funny. 746 00:44:50.219 --> 00:44:52.079 You know, we did trouble with Edward. 747 00:44:52.139 --> 00:44:52.619 That was pretty funny. 748 00:44:52.739 --> 00:44:55.739 I reckon it's doable, but we'll see. 749 00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:59.039 I am going to end this episode where I started. 750 00:44:59.099 --> 00:45:05.280 I genuinely do think this is one of the the few perfect episodes of Kursman Drake. 751 00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:07.500 Mathematically perfect. 752 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:08.880 Phomatically perfect. 753 00:45:11.940 --> 00:45:13.619 Yeah, that was great. 754 00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:15.239 That was great. 755 00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:16.139 Yeah, that was pretty good.