WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-01 at 19:46:46 1 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:24.480 Hey, Joe. Hi. 2 00:00:24.539 --> 00:00:30.899 So, we're back doing an episode that screened just less than 2 3 00:00:30.899 --> 00:00:34.619 years ago, so some fairly recent Star Trek. 4 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:40.380 It's Lower Decks series 3, episode 7, a mathematically perfect 5 00:00:40.380 --> 00:00:42.299 redemption. 6 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:45.659 And you were saying before, and I think maybe in last week's 7 00:00:45.659 --> 00:00:49.500 episode that this is one of your favourite Kurtzman era, Trek 8 00:00:49.500 --> 00:00:50.159 episodes. 9 00:00:50.219 --> 00:00:54.899 A mathematically perfect episode of Star Trek, I would say. 10 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:58.500 Yeah, I think this is really unique. 11 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:01.979 I just love the fact it basically skews the regulars completely 12 00:01:01.979 --> 00:01:06.420 and goes off, it tells this tale on the other side of the galaxy 13 00:01:06.420 --> 00:01:09.840 with a Xacomp of all things. 14 00:01:09.900 --> 00:01:12.900 Now, I don't really remember too much of the history of peanut 15 00:01:12.900 --> 00:01:13.319 hamper. 16 00:01:13.379 --> 00:01:14.219 Was she a regular character? 17 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:18.959 No, so she just turns up in series one, episode 10. 18 00:01:19.260 --> 00:01:24.000 So the series finale, and we actually see the recap at the 19 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:28.859 beginning where she's asked to help against the Paclands, I 20 00:01:28.859 --> 00:01:29.099 think. 21 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:33.299 And, um, uh, she refuses, she says actually, no, I'm not going to 22 00:01:33.299 --> 00:01:33.659 help. 23 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:35.760 She sort of pizzes off. 24 00:01:35.819 --> 00:01:39.239 And as a result, of course, Shacks is killed trying to save 25 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:40.140 Rutherford. 26 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:42.840 And Badgie is involved, I think. 27 00:01:42.900 --> 00:01:45.299 So it's all very complicated. 28 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:46.920 We do get a recap of it. 29 00:01:46.980 --> 00:01:51.060 She does the thing that always irritates me in Star Trek, and 30 00:01:51.060 --> 00:01:54.480 there isn't a single like 90s trek show that isn't guilty of this 31 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:58.379 of where they go to, you know, a group of people, you know, you 32 00:01:58.379 --> 00:02:01.379 can step away from this very dangerous situation if you want to 33 00:02:01.379 --> 00:02:05.459 and everyone goes, oh, no, sir, I'll come with you into any 34 00:02:05.459 --> 00:02:06.060 situation. 35 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:07.560 And I always say to you, don't I? 36 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:09.419 Why does nobody just go, do you know what? 37 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:13.500 I'm not going to do that, you know, like I'm not, and she, at the 38 00:02:13.500 --> 00:02:15.960 beginning of this, just goes, yeah, I'm not going to do that. 39 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:19.680 She's going, it's my 1st day. 40 00:02:19.740 --> 00:02:22.439 You know, like, it's literally my 1st day. 41 00:02:22.500 --> 00:02:23.939 I'm not gonna go and sacrifice myself. 42 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:25.199 But she's so awful. 43 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:26.939 She's like, see you later, Lucy. 44 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:28.259 I was thinking they're all gonna die. 45 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.439 And then immediately I'm going, I'll preempt in the episode now 46 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:35.039 immediately, obviously, they're rescued by the Titan and Captain 47 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:39.599 Riker. and she's just left flying in space going, Hey, guys, you 48 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:40.860 know, come back. 49 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:44.939 And thus our adventure begins here. 50 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:45.900 Yeah. 51 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:46.560 Yeah. 52 00:02:46.620 --> 00:02:48.539 And so it's it is pretty great. 53 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:52.199 It is on a sort of planet called Ariolus, and there are bird 54 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:55.680 people, but not the bird people that we've seen on Star Trek 55 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:58.020 before, more of which later I imagine. 56 00:02:58.259 --> 00:03:04.500 And it's just a very kind of sweet and funny story. 57 00:03:04.620 --> 00:03:06.659 And icky, which places. 58 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:08.460 Yeah, places. 59 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:11.759 Yeah, and absolutely undermined by the character of peanut 60 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:12.300 hamper. 61 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:17.159 So it's called a mathematically perfect redemption named after how 62 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:17.939 she gets her name. 63 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:21.719 She says in series one, episode 10, that it's her mathematically 64 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:22.439 perfect name. 65 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:26.280 She's calculated that the perfect name for her is peanut hamper. 66 00:03:26.340 --> 00:03:29.219 Um, and it's not a redemption at all. 67 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:31.080 She's awful all the way through. 68 00:03:31.139 --> 00:03:35.699 And we think she's growing to become a better person. and it's 69 00:03:35.699 --> 00:03:39.240 completely undermined at the end and then undermined again. 70 00:03:39.300 --> 00:03:41.340 So it is pretty great. 71 00:03:41.340 --> 00:03:45.479 And where she ends up puts her in a great position for what is 72 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:49.139 something a little bit more like an actual redemption, which takes 73 00:03:49.139 --> 00:03:52.800 place in season four, episode seven, an episode that screened just 74 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:57.300 a year ago called A Few Badgies More, which features her and 75 00:03:57.300 --> 00:04:00.180 Agamus, who she meets in the final episode. 76 00:04:00.180 --> 00:04:02.699 Jeffrey Coombs. 77 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:02.939 Yeah. 78 00:04:03.060 --> 00:04:07.500 You and I could do very evil things together. 79 00:04:09.659 --> 00:04:11.280 So good. 80 00:04:11.340 --> 00:04:15.060 So he's not the only deep safe sign guest star this episode. 81 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:15.960 Did you notice? 82 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:19.500 I did notice the growly, snarly voice of J.G. Hertzler. 83 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:22.439 I didn't even look at the carces because they somehow managed to 84 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:23.519 draw that alien. 85 00:04:23.579 --> 00:04:27.120 So he looks a bit like J.G. Herzler does now as an old man. 86 00:04:28.740 --> 00:04:32.519 So he's the Dracmani captain, the scavenger. 87 00:04:32.579 --> 00:04:38.160 And they're in the next episode, I think, with peanut hamper as 88 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:38.399 well. 89 00:04:38.459 --> 00:04:40.740 Yes, yeah, so he's in it too. 90 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.199 It's a bit like sort of Robert O'Reilly. 91 00:04:43.259 --> 00:04:45.600 You can't really mistake that voice, can you? 92 00:04:45.660 --> 00:04:47.639 You're like, yeah. 93 00:04:47.699 --> 00:04:51.660 This episode absolutely proves as well that Star Trek just needs 94 00:04:51.660 --> 00:04:53.160 more cunts in it. 95 00:04:53.220 --> 00:04:57.240 There's just not enough characters that are just really... 96 00:04:57.300 --> 00:04:58.199 Awful people. 97 00:04:58.259 --> 00:05:01.139 Gee, Rudbury seem to think that everyone should be, you know 98 00:05:01.139 --> 00:05:04.620 morally light and lovely people going around the universe. 99 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:07.259 But actually, this proves, I was sort of thinking. 100 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:10.439 What other shows Star Trek shows have given us, you know, really 101 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:12.420 horrible people like this. 102 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:16.199 I'm thinking, well, maybe sometimes Garak could be a bit awful and 103 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:17.279 he was wonderful, right? 104 00:05:17.339 --> 00:05:18.120 We loved him for it. 105 00:05:18.180 --> 00:05:20.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 106 00:05:20.819 --> 00:05:24.540 Probably the ultimate example of a long-term character that is 107 00:05:24.540 --> 00:05:28.259 constantly undermining, insulting, and generally getting in the 108 00:05:28.259 --> 00:05:31.620 way and yet somehow still being of great help when the situation 109 00:05:31.620 --> 00:05:34.139 needs irritatingly. 110 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:36.779 Oh, I could have done with a bit more peanut hamper. 111 00:05:36.899 --> 00:05:40.439 I mean, lower decks does have a bare hit rate than not of having 112 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:44.519 characters which sort of toe the line between being quite horrible 113 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:45.839 and quite lovely. 114 00:05:45.899 --> 00:05:49.560 And I do like that, you know, it just makes it a more interesting 115 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:50.519 ensemble. 116 00:05:50.579 --> 00:05:52.740 But the fact that this is one of those robots. 117 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:55.139 So it's cute little robots from quality of life. 118 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:56.579 That's a total bitch. 119 00:05:57.180 --> 00:06:00.300 It's just such a weird juxtaposition. 120 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:01.079 I love it. 121 00:06:01.139 --> 00:06:05.160 Well, except it is kind of inevitable, isn't it? 122 00:06:05.220 --> 00:06:08.879 Like once we discovering quality of life that the XOcoms are 123 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:09.480 sentient. 124 00:06:09.540 --> 00:06:13.620 You kind of think the next natural thing is the 1st exocomp in 125 00:06:13.620 --> 00:06:15.300 Starfleet, and they go there. 126 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.100 It's a brilliant, brilliant idea. 127 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:19.560 And having her bee. 128 00:06:19.620 --> 00:06:22.019 So incredibly hilarious at all. 129 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:24.600 I think the creators have stepped back and gone, right, we want 130 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:25.920 this really terrible character. 131 00:06:25.980 --> 00:06:29.819 What is the cutest thing we can possibly think of in Star Trek 132 00:06:29.819 --> 00:06:31.740 that ain't a tribble. 133 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:33.420 Oh, the exacomps. 134 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:35.879 Yeah, they were just so cutesy wootsy. 135 00:06:35.939 --> 00:06:37.500 She's so good. 136 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:42.240 And then it's just how it jumps through all the rings of a 137 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:44.579 redemption episode in Star Trek, you know? 138 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:47.579 And I remember the 1st time I watched it and I was going, oh, you 139 00:06:47.579 --> 00:06:49.199 know, she's not so bad after all. 140 00:06:49.259 --> 00:06:52.740 And then at the end, feeling really stupid because this was called 141 00:06:52.740 --> 00:06:55.500 a mathematically precise redemption. 142 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:56.279 You know? 143 00:06:56.699 --> 00:06:58.560 Did I say precise? 144 00:06:58.620 --> 00:06:59.279 I meant perfect. 145 00:06:59.339 --> 00:07:00.000 Yeah. 146 00:07:00.060 --> 00:07:03.420 But also as well, I think it's a really visually interesting 147 00:07:03.420 --> 00:07:04.379 episode as well. 148 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:07.920 I think the planet is gorgeous and there's sort of space effects 149 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:10.019 and ships coming in and all sorts. 150 00:07:10.139 --> 00:07:12.660 It's just so brilliant all rounder. 151 00:07:12.779 --> 00:07:16.740 And totally unlike anything lower decks has done anywhere else as 152 00:07:16.740 --> 00:07:16.980 well. 153 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:21.839 It's telling a fresh type of Star Trek episode and we can only 154 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:22.560 applaud it for that. 155 00:07:22.620 --> 00:07:26.939 You must have been so pleased at how many times the word fuck was 156 00:07:26.939 --> 00:07:28.079 blooped out in this as well. 157 00:07:28.259 --> 00:07:30.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 158 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:34.139 I mean, I prefer keeping it in, but they do bleep it in lower 159 00:07:34.139 --> 00:07:36.180 decks and say that's fine, I guess. 160 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:39.240 It's so funny because you're like, oh, no, she's going to go down 161 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:42.300 onto this pre-warp civilisation and, you know, affect them with 162 00:07:42.300 --> 00:07:42.839 technology. 163 00:07:42.899 --> 00:07:43.199 No. 164 00:07:43.259 --> 00:07:45.839 The 1st thing she does is infect them with swear words. 165 00:07:45.899 --> 00:07:47.160 So good. 166 00:07:47.220 --> 00:07:48.300 Let's watch this thing. 167 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:49.199 We're gonna have a great time. 168 00:07:49.259 --> 00:07:50.819 Okay, all right. 169 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:53.220 I will count us in. 170 00:07:53.939 --> 00:07:59.819 Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off. 171 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.519 So it's the Cerritos. 172 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:03.600 No, I didn't. 173 00:08:03.660 --> 00:08:04.079 Yes. 174 00:08:04.139 --> 00:08:06.240 In, yes, in the, in the eye dent. 175 00:08:06.300 --> 00:08:09.360 So we don't get the opening credits in this, and I'm a bit sad 176 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:12.959 about that because I love the opening credits and the music, but 177 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:15.540 we get a beautiful version of the credits music. 178 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:19.259 The music's great, but it's also, as well, just showing the time 179 00:08:19.259 --> 00:08:23.040 and the distance that poor peanut hamper is travelling. 180 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:29.160 So here we see the Cerritos being carved up by that giant pack led 181 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:29.579 ship. 182 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:33.179 Like if you squinted, that could be really good CGI. 183 00:08:33.179 --> 00:08:36.179 Yeah, well, it is really, isn't it? 184 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:37.500 So peanut hamper. 185 00:08:37.980 --> 00:08:41.639 You can load it into your ship with your robotic abilities. 186 00:08:41.700 --> 00:08:42.899 Nah, you're right. 187 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:45.120 Yeah, I'm gonna pass. 188 00:08:45.179 --> 00:08:46.200 Off she goes. 189 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:49.019 That's so cute. 190 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:51.299 I love the design of the Xacombs. 191 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:53.639 Yeah, yeah, they're awesome, aren't they? 192 00:08:53.700 --> 00:08:54.539 They're really really good. 193 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:57.840 We're all gonna die. 194 00:08:57.899 --> 00:09:00.480 We're all overacting enormously. 195 00:09:00.539 --> 00:09:01.559 It was wonderful. 196 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:03.600 Sucks to be organic. 197 00:09:03.659 --> 00:09:04.500 Enjoy. 198 00:09:04.500 --> 00:09:06.179 I mean, you've got... 199 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:09.299 She's not only a bad thing. 200 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:10.559 She's sarcastic with it. 201 00:09:10.620 --> 00:09:11.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 202 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:12.600 Yeah. 203 00:09:12.659 --> 00:09:13.919 And it's just great. 204 00:09:13.980 --> 00:09:15.779 She does a commentary on the end of the episode. 205 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:21.539 Yeah, this is the episode end where Shaq gets killed on the ship 206 00:09:21.539 --> 00:09:24.960 the ship explodes and the big guy died. 207 00:09:25.019 --> 00:09:27.059 I mean, she does go as well. 208 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:28.379 They wanted me to do that. 209 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:29.940 No way, Jose. 210 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:31.620 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 211 00:09:31.740 --> 00:09:37.019 And there's the, there's the, the, uh, um, Titan. 212 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:38.940 I don't know why, though. 213 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:42.960 The Warriors just all gracefully sort of spins through space. 214 00:09:43.019 --> 00:09:44.519 I feel really sorry for her. 215 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:47.220 Yeah, and she's tiny in the shot. 216 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:48.360 Like she's really small. 217 00:09:48.419 --> 00:09:55.919 It turns out one bit of that debris is the original implant. 218 00:09:56.039 --> 00:10:00.600 Rutherford's original implant that he has in series one and that 219 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.419 gets picked up because it has a copy of badgie in it. 220 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:05.700 And... 221 00:10:05.700 --> 00:10:06.480 So sinister. 222 00:10:06.539 --> 00:10:07.320 That bloody bad. 223 00:10:07.379 --> 00:10:09.179 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 224 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:12.240 So there's an episode in series 4, which is a kind of sequel to 225 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:17.279 this that Peanut Hamper and Agamus, I think is pronounced. 226 00:10:17.340 --> 00:10:21.419 Peanut, hamper, and Agamus appearing called, um, a few badgies 227 00:10:21.419 --> 00:10:21.960 more. 228 00:10:22.019 --> 00:10:28.440 And it's very, it's really very good and it has some surprising 229 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.320 extra badgies, as you might expect, from the name. 230 00:10:31.379 --> 00:10:35.580 This, that slow down tower music and that beautiful animation. 231 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:38.639 It is a mission statement that this is something a bit different 232 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:39.419 though, isn't it? 233 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:40.139 Yeah. 234 00:10:40.259 --> 00:10:40.919 Yeah. 235 00:10:40.980 --> 00:10:48.059 And I think, you know, like, this, like, there are ways that this 236 00:10:48.059 --> 00:10:51.600 show sees itself as a sequel to the animated series because it is 237 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:56.700 the 1st Star Trek animation that's been attempted since then. 238 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:01.740 But obviously it's beautifully and expensively animated, and 239 00:11:01.740 --> 00:11:02.879 they're really proud of that. 240 00:11:02.940 --> 00:11:07.019 Like they make beautiful things in a way that Kurtzman Trek does 241 00:11:07.019 --> 00:11:09.600 and in a way that 90s trek often doesn't. 242 00:11:10.019 --> 00:11:14.340 I love the fact that peanut hamperers created a rock and made it 243 00:11:14.340 --> 00:11:17.100 look like a exacomp and that's her best friend. 244 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:20.100 She's like, I will never leave you. for me like that. 245 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:20.820 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 246 00:11:20.820 --> 00:11:21.960 I'll never leave you so weird. 247 00:11:22.019 --> 00:11:23.159 The 2nd someone comes home. 248 00:11:23.220 --> 00:11:24.539 See you later, sorry. 249 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:26.399 There's only one of us. 250 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:27.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 251 00:11:28.019 --> 00:11:29.100 Yeah, here you go. 252 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:30.240 You've got a friend for life. 253 00:11:31.259 --> 00:11:33.480 She's so awful. 254 00:11:33.539 --> 00:11:35.759 So here's the drug money turning up. 255 00:11:35.820 --> 00:11:38.940 And so immediately there's the tractor beam. 256 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:41.399 She flings it into the tractor beam, doesn't she? 257 00:11:41.460 --> 00:11:42.720 Is that what's happening? 258 00:11:42.779 --> 00:11:43.919 Off she goes. 259 00:11:43.980 --> 00:11:45.299 Yep, there goes, Soph. 260 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:45.600 Bye. 261 00:11:46.860 --> 00:11:48.899 She's so awful. 262 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:53.879 It's brilliant She just will not learn anything. terrific. 263 00:11:53.940 --> 00:11:56.639 And to be fair, even during the moments where it looks like the 264 00:11:56.639 --> 00:11:58.799 redemption is genuinely occurring. 265 00:11:58.860 --> 00:12:01.860 She's still snippy and sarky and... 266 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:04.139 Mean about the planet. 267 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:05.940 You know, this beautiful planet. 268 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:09.240 Look at this from the point of view of her waking up with all the 269 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:10.259 binary numbers. 270 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:14.519 Oh, so no, we're doing the usual hair, you know, the Starfleet 271 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:17.519 character that's landed on the planet is being hailed as a gold. 272 00:12:17.580 --> 00:12:20.580 Yeah, yeah, it's thine own self, isn't it? 273 00:12:21.419 --> 00:12:23.759 Oh, I love these bird people. 274 00:12:23.820 --> 00:12:25.379 So great. 275 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:32.519 So in Zelda Breath of the Wild, there is a village of wild. 276 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:37.679 And that was all we could think about, me and Brendan and James 277 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:38.879 when we were watching this. 278 00:12:38.940 --> 00:12:42.600 It's Peanut Hamper goes to Rito Village and is rude about everyone 279 00:12:42.659 --> 00:12:47.220 sort of the huge jungle vistas and that was reminded me a bit of 280 00:12:47.220 --> 00:12:48.779 Avatar as well, you know? 281 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:50.340 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 282 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:53.279 Oh yeah, I think there's there are some definite visual references 283 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:54.059 to Avatar. 284 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:54.899 And here too. 285 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:57.480 So this is um... 286 00:12:58.799 --> 00:12:59.639 Oh, what's his name? 287 00:12:59.700 --> 00:13:05.879 Caltoris, the leader, and he's scraping some stuff off her because 288 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:10.019 she's been horribly scorched, like her Starfleet uniform is burned 289 00:13:10.019 --> 00:13:12.000 off because it was just painted on, obviously. 290 00:13:12.059 --> 00:13:16.200 And he's scraping it off and she's kind of getting off on it. 291 00:13:16.259 --> 00:13:17.700 So we said, you know what I mean? 292 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:19.740 And what is a sort of rather creepy way? 293 00:13:19.740 --> 00:13:21.779 Like, oh, you know, just... 294 00:13:21.779 --> 00:13:23.820 Do it again or whatever you were doing over there. 295 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:24.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 296 00:13:24.779 --> 00:13:27.360 Yeah, you're creepy, dreadful. 297 00:13:27.779 --> 00:13:31.980 It's not the creepiest thing that happens in this between that 298 00:13:31.980 --> 00:13:33.419 robot and a bird person. 299 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:35.639 The hotbird person. 300 00:13:35.700 --> 00:13:39.659 Take a good look at this beautiful Avian village because by the 301 00:13:39.659 --> 00:13:42.120 end of it, it's going to be a burnt cinder. 302 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:44.460 Yeah, yeah. 303 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:45.419 And it is beautiful. 304 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.299 I mean, everything just looks stunning and these people are really 305 00:13:48.299 --> 00:13:49.860 just well realised. 306 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:54.659 And it's funny as well because so they've rejected technology. 307 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:56.159 We don't know what I do. 308 00:13:56.220 --> 00:13:57.659 That's really special. 309 00:13:57.720 --> 00:13:58.019 Thanks. 310 00:13:59.879 --> 00:14:03.299 And she makes candy because, of course, they've got a little 311 00:14:03.299 --> 00:14:04.440 replicator built in. 312 00:14:04.500 --> 00:14:08.039 Remember, so it can build tools, so she's giving it candy. 313 00:14:08.100 --> 00:14:11.940 Wasn't thine own self the same sort of story, again, where data 314 00:14:11.940 --> 00:14:16.559 was improving things in the village until we realised that... 315 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:19.799 Except, yes, he brought radioactive. 316 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:21.179 He was killing them all. 317 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:22.320 Unfortunately, yeah. 318 00:14:22.379 --> 00:14:24.299 Oh, he is, yes. 319 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:25.679 It's very buff, isn't it? 320 00:14:25.740 --> 00:14:28.620 I love it when she says later, though, you know, at the end when 321 00:14:28.620 --> 00:14:31.379 she's throwing all her insults just on her way out of the village 322 00:14:31.379 --> 00:14:36.779 she goes, he cries after he has sex every time. cries after we do 323 00:14:36.779 --> 00:14:36.960 it. 324 00:14:38.580 --> 00:14:41.879 Yeah, so he's very like that, you know. 325 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:44.700 They're usually the muscly ones actually. 326 00:14:44.940 --> 00:14:46.799 Well, they go. 327 00:14:46.860 --> 00:14:48.360 So he is hot, isn't he? 328 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:49.259 Buff bird guy. 329 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:55.860 I'm getting some major bad boy finished vibes. 330 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:58.980 Keep it in your pants, sister. 331 00:14:59.340 --> 00:15:04.379 And I think that's Lauren Tom, who plays Amy in Futurama. is 332 00:15:04.379 --> 00:15:06.000 that. 333 00:15:06.059 --> 00:15:07.259 The woman there. 334 00:15:07.379 --> 00:15:09.899 Imagine if this was live action. 335 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:11.220 What these bird people would look like? 336 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:13.019 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 337 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:13.679 They look terrible. 338 00:15:13.740 --> 00:15:19.559 So, the bird, there are bird people in, um, in the animated series 339 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:24.779 and they're called Aurelians, and in fact... 340 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:28.019 Yeah, she calls them poor man's Aurelians. 341 00:15:28.139 --> 00:15:33.899 She refers to the REO as poor man's Aurelians. 342 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:40.559 And in fact, we saw the other day in prodigy that Chakotay's 1st 343 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:42.360 officer is a flightless Aurelian. 344 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:49.259 Arik Adrik, who, uh, we, so they're back. 345 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:51.539 So they're in prodigy and they are in lower decks. 346 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:53.940 Humping best on with animation, don't you think? 347 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:55.379 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 348 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:57.179 Well, it's like the cat people, isn't it? 349 00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:58.080 Do you know what I mean? 350 00:15:58.139 --> 00:16:01.379 Like maress or whatever in the animated series and obviously Dr 351 00:16:01.379 --> 00:16:02.399 Ta'ana in this. 352 00:16:02.460 --> 00:16:07.740 Um, and Miglamo isn't, he's not an Aurelian or one of these guys 353 00:16:07.740 --> 00:16:08.159 either. 354 00:16:08.220 --> 00:16:10.980 So a skysnake is attacking. 355 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:13.559 Everything's flies out. 356 00:16:13.620 --> 00:16:14.759 What is it called? 357 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:16.799 That's what's the great thing. 358 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:18.779 In the village. 359 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:19.320 Yes. 360 00:16:19.379 --> 00:16:23.580 They have flying pigs and flying goats and like just everything 361 00:16:23.580 --> 00:16:26.039 has wings and flies on, there's the flying pigs. 362 00:16:26.100 --> 00:16:28.019 There's some flying goats in a cage. 363 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:30.600 Are we milking the milk, yeah. 364 00:16:30.659 --> 00:16:31.860 She's milking. 365 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:33.779 The goat did a very upsetting mate. 366 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:39.360 Oh, it's so great. 367 00:16:42.419 --> 00:16:44.220 Oh, gosh, router. 368 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:46.799 You're not going to turn on by that bird, man, are you? 369 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:48.720 I am hot bird man. 370 00:16:48.779 --> 00:16:53.100 So he's been bit by a skysnake and he's obviously going to die. 371 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:56.519 It's so shitty, coach. 372 00:16:56.580 --> 00:16:57.899 It's the circle of life. 373 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.059 He killed me with his venom. 374 00:17:00.179 --> 00:17:03.840 I killed him with my spear and she just comes in and goes, hang 375 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:04.140 on. 376 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:05.640 It's a manti-venom. 377 00:17:05.700 --> 00:17:07.319 No, you're saying you're being a big baby. 378 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:11.640 And she cures him and she starts to do these things just because 379 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:14.039 she's kind of annoyed by how shit they are. 380 00:17:14.099 --> 00:17:18.539 And then it starts to look like she's actually making their lives 381 00:17:18.539 --> 00:17:21.240 better, which is a thing that she actually is doing. 382 00:17:21.299 --> 00:17:24.900 Oh, she's definitely making broadware. like better in a minute. 383 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:26.579 Yeah, well yeah. 384 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:31.859 But he lets out a scream that can be heard all across the 385 00:17:31.859 --> 00:17:32.339 village. 386 00:17:32.700 --> 00:17:35.339 Oh, I couldn't believe they did that. 387 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:37.200 The orgasm. couldn't believe it. 388 00:17:39.180 --> 00:17:43.740 Well, I mean, we have Shacks and Taana having sex. 389 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:48.900 Oh, I can just about handle that, but a wet tongued snog between a 390 00:17:48.900 --> 00:17:51.420 robot and a birdman. 391 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:53.700 Yeah, I made that into species too far. 392 00:17:57.539 --> 00:18:00.779 Yeah, so now she's very popular and she's helping people and 393 00:18:00.779 --> 00:18:01.140 stuff. 394 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:04.799 Oh, she's sort of flying around with a shopping bag or is that a 395 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:05.339 doctor's bag? 396 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:06.000 Apparently. 397 00:18:06.779 --> 00:18:10.500 My faecal matter is back to being oily and white. 398 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:10.920 Thank you. 399 00:18:10.980 --> 00:18:12.839 But also gross. 400 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.380 See, she hasn't quite lost a rich. 401 00:18:16.500 --> 00:18:18.059 No that's right. 402 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:19.259 Oh, I love this. 403 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:21.960 She shoots all the birds and they all hatch all the little 404 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:22.440 chicklings. 405 00:18:22.500 --> 00:18:23.579 It's wonderful. 406 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:26.519 And then, of course, they're trying to make her as cute as 407 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:30.299 possible, so all the birds get on top of her and just... 408 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:30.839 That's right. 409 00:18:30.900 --> 00:18:31.319 Yeah. 410 00:18:32.220 --> 00:18:36.180 Yeah, so we actually do do a proper redemption arc. 411 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:39.359 Her and Jeffrey Coombes do one in a few badges more. 412 00:18:39.420 --> 00:18:41.519 So she does actually get a bit of a redemption. 413 00:18:41.579 --> 00:18:44.039 I almost don't want that to happen, though. 414 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:45.420 Yeah. 415 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:50.039 But she does get to team up with Megalum and I call computer and 416 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:54.119 she's locked up in the Daystrom Institute in a thing called the 417 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:56.880 Self-aware Megalomaniacal Computer Storage. 418 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:58.740 Just when that... 419 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:01.680 Undertake camera, when that image pans out and you see just how 420 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:03.539 many evil robots are locked away. 421 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:05.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 422 00:19:05.460 --> 00:19:07.380 It's kind of like where Landry would go. 423 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:09.119 Yeah, except he didn't, obviously. 424 00:19:09.180 --> 00:19:12.119 We could probably compile a list actually over the last 50 years. 425 00:19:12.180 --> 00:19:14.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. killer computers. 426 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:19.200 So this is him singing and you're expecting it to be beautiful and 427 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:20.700 he just shrieks and screeches. 428 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:23.640 How many Star Trek Voyager episodes have we had when they're 429 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:25.440 looking over a beautiful valley like this? 430 00:19:25.500 --> 00:19:29.160 Harry Kim and his latest girlfriend on the planet, except it's 431 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:32.819 some dreadful matted in special effects. 432 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:35.519 And here it looks cool. meant to be a drawing. 433 00:19:35.579 --> 00:19:36.420 That's right. 434 00:19:38.099 --> 00:19:40.500 She feels like she's growing up. 435 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:41.460 Yeah. 436 00:19:41.460 --> 00:19:42.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 437 00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:44.160 So it is all working. 438 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:46.980 Just saying all the right things, all the things we need to hear 439 00:19:46.980 --> 00:19:48.359 to think she's evolving as a person. 440 00:19:49.259 --> 00:19:53.279 I was completely fooled the 1st time round because I was like, you 441 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:53.640 know what? 442 00:19:53.700 --> 00:19:57.000 Lower deck does have an edge, but it also can be very touching and 443 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:58.319 very heartwarming as well. 444 00:19:58.380 --> 00:20:00.480 Yeah, and that's true. 445 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.480 And like it normally is heartwarming and touching. 446 00:20:03.539 --> 00:20:05.039 You've got Mariner, do you know what I mean? 447 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:08.519 Rebelling and stuff like that, but with a heart of gold and stuff 448 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:09.240 we're about to have sex. 449 00:20:09.299 --> 00:20:10.680 Oh Jesus Christ. 450 00:20:10.740 --> 00:20:13.019 How around 10 noise come shooting? 451 00:20:13.019 --> 00:20:15.059 Yeah, his hair goes around. 452 00:20:15.180 --> 00:20:18.420 She goes, oh, and now she's looking at his dick. 453 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:20.039 It looks like it's very complicated. 454 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:25.920 I just can't look at this where they start kissing. no His wind's 455 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:28.140 become an enormous heart for the waterfall. 456 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:30.660 There he is. having an orgasm. 457 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:31.440 Boy, oh boy. 458 00:20:31.500 --> 00:20:33.299 Have you ever screamed that loud? 459 00:20:33.420 --> 00:20:35.279 I think I have once or twice. 460 00:20:35.339 --> 00:20:39.299 So this is, don't you think this is Avatar? 461 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:42.420 We're in the glowing sort of flowers bed thing. 462 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:50.220 Yeah, so now we start to get the backstory and we understand that 463 00:20:50.220 --> 00:20:51.900 she doesn't know. 464 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:55.140 But we understand why they're so fearful of how to start off with 465 00:20:55.140 --> 00:20:56.339 because they used to have technology. 466 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:57.059 Yeah. 467 00:20:57.059 --> 00:20:58.200 It ended bad. 468 00:20:58.259 --> 00:20:59.640 And why the science is so crap. 469 00:20:59.700 --> 00:21:01.680 Why they're just happy to let themselves get killed by the 470 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:02.940 skysnake and stuff? 471 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.480 And so this is her discovering that they were a space faring 472 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:11.880 civilisation at one and presumably this is where she actually 473 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:14.579 decides to kind of go evil again. 474 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:15.960 Do you know what I mean? 475 00:21:16.019 --> 00:21:19.259 Maybe up to this point, some kind of redemption is happening. 476 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:22.259 I love it when science fiction does this with the pictures on the 477 00:21:22.259 --> 00:21:24.539 wall depicting the entire history of the planet. 478 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:26.279 Yeah, just a few images. 479 00:21:26.460 --> 00:21:29.160 And you know, I thought for a 2nd I was going to have a chance to 480 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:32.819 go, my God, look how accurately they've drawn, stock cave set 481 00:21:32.819 --> 00:21:33.480 number 52. 482 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:36.420 And then they go into this vast cabin. 483 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:40.680 I was like, 0 yeah, 90s tracks would not have done that. 484 00:21:40.740 --> 00:21:41.940 No. 485 00:21:43.619 --> 00:21:45.960 Oh, yeah, yeah. 486 00:21:46.019 --> 00:21:48.660 Yeah, so what's happening here? 487 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:52.859 Like, she's kind of saying that she's not good. 488 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:55.019 She feels bad. 489 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:57.660 And you don't know how to read it, do you? 490 00:21:57.720 --> 00:21:58.859 Like even in retrospect. 491 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:02.400 I think the only way to kind of read it is naively that she 492 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:04.859 actually means this, I think. 493 00:22:04.859 --> 00:22:07.440 Well, and I was just incredibly confused the 1st time I was 494 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:10.619 watching it with this nuanced characterisation of an exacomp. 495 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:12.599 Are we really doing this? 496 00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:13.799 Yeah, yeah. 497 00:22:13.859 --> 00:22:15.720 Well, I mean, how far are we in? 498 00:22:15.779 --> 00:22:21.119 We still haven't seen um, like we... more than halfway and we 499 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:21.960 haven't seen the crew. 500 00:22:22.019 --> 00:22:26.819 Frankly, after, you know, in season one of TOS, when we saw, you 501 00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:31.380 know, the water, the water duvet, being able to display such raw 502 00:22:31.380 --> 00:22:36.059 emotions, I think Star Trek could actually personify anything. 503 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:36.720 Yeah. 504 00:22:36.779 --> 00:22:40.859 Yeah, so they had sex again, and apparently whenever they have sex 505 00:22:40.859 --> 00:22:44.880 a bunch of flying tortoises up here. 506 00:22:44.940 --> 00:22:46.859 So now they're getting married. 507 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:48.720 It's so powerful when the seasons change. 508 00:22:48.779 --> 00:22:49.500 Yes that's right. 509 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:52.019 We have roosted here today, he says. 510 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:55.319 It's the wing joining of the 2 of them. 511 00:22:55.380 --> 00:22:57.839 And she's wearing a beak, a bridal beat. 512 00:22:57.900 --> 00:22:58.980 The veil. 513 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:01.680 So ridiculous. 514 00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:04.619 Can I tell you right? 515 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:06.240 even jamma love this. 516 00:23:06.299 --> 00:23:08.099 He gave this 3.5 stars. 517 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:11.579 It's one of his highest rated Kurtzman episodes. 518 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:12.180 Yeah. 519 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:15.779 Yeah, okay Oh my god, it's the Sky Avengers. 520 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:24.599 Oh, yeah, he's mossly, but he is a bit he's a bit emotional, isn't 521 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:25.440 he, raw dog? 522 00:23:25.500 --> 00:23:27.299 He's a bit weird, but he is hot. 523 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:28.259 So that's fine. 524 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:33.180 So she staged this, hasn't she? 525 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:35.519 So, wait, here's J.G. Hertz. 526 00:23:35.579 --> 00:23:36.720 Seriously, doesn't it? 527 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:39.359 It does look like him. 528 00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:39.960 He's gone. 529 00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:42.480 Even the scar... 530 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:46.259 The Martok scar as well. like down the eye. 531 00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:51.599 And this is so funny because, you know, when you learn that she's 532 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:54.119 literally there thinking, great, they're here on time, right? 533 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:56.700 Yeah, it's entire place. 534 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:01.799 Yeah, she looks like she's, she's, uh, she's being a hero. 535 00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:07.079 Oh, this is where she sends the, she sends the message, doesn't 536 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:07.259 she? 537 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:12.000 She sends a message to the Soritos for them to come and witness 538 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.819 her bravery in the face of a thirsty. 539 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:17.759 Old babies, the babies. 540 00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:21.299 Oh, save you, she goes. 541 00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:22.319 Yeah, exactly. 542 00:24:23.579 --> 00:24:27.960 Here's the Serritos. there we are But the trouble is, right? 543 00:24:28.019 --> 00:24:30.660 Think of, oh, actually, it's got bird people in there. 544 00:24:30.779 --> 00:24:34.140 It's all our regulars, except to Anna, but we're all on the fridge 545 00:24:34.140 --> 00:24:36.480 there. because they are doing their contractual obligation. 546 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:38.460 Yes, yeah, yeah. 547 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:39.900 Star Trek, isn't it? 548 00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:43.200 Think of par situational or whatever that episode's called 549 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:48.299 Avoyager. and Neelix. and they go down onto the bird planet and 550 00:24:48.299 --> 00:24:51.539 they hatch the little boat and they put their jealousy aside and 551 00:24:51.539 --> 00:24:52.680 they do wonderful things. 552 00:24:52.740 --> 00:24:55.380 And it's basically the same sort of plot, but of course in that 553 00:24:55.380 --> 00:24:58.619 everything is exactly as it seems, whereas the joy of this is. 554 00:24:58.680 --> 00:24:59.220 Yeah. 555 00:24:59.220 --> 00:25:00.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 556 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:05.099 It's how it's some, it's the cliche. it's wonderful Yeah, it's 557 00:25:05.099 --> 00:25:05.400 great. 558 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:11.039 Sorry, I can't hear you because I'm staring at Rowder's... buff 559 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:12.240 torso. 560 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:18.180 Who can save us? 561 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:19.559 She goes. 562 00:25:20.579 --> 00:25:24.000 That needs of the view, baby. 563 00:25:24.059 --> 00:25:26.579 Even the way she flies off, it's sort of graceful. 564 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:28.980 They're not really sort of dynamic, are they? 565 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:29.759 The ex-acomps. 566 00:25:29.819 --> 00:25:30.660 No, no, no. 567 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:35.039 The exocomps are very much... 568 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:35.700 On a string. 569 00:25:35.700 --> 00:25:37.559 Yes, exactly. 570 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:40.920 Canonically on a string. 571 00:25:44.339 --> 00:25:46.079 Who's that bird man on the bridge? 572 00:25:46.140 --> 00:25:47.039 Is that the counsellor? 573 00:25:47.099 --> 00:25:48.539 That's Miglamo, the counsellor. 574 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:49.319 Yeah, yeah. 575 00:25:49.380 --> 00:25:53.339 So he isn't a Aurelian or an Ariel. 576 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:54.539 I love as well. 577 00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:58.740 Like, Tendi, every single time the X-Com does something. 578 00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:00.779 She's like, oh, it's peanut hamper. 579 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:04.079 She's utterly convinced because she's so lovely that this 580 00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:07.019 monstrous robot can be redeemed. 581 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:13.079 Do you know, if I was J.G. Herser, I'd start to feel as if I'm 582 00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:16.920 being typecast a bit, you know, playing all these snarling. it's 583 00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:17.460 work, I suppose. 584 00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:19.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 585 00:26:19.859 --> 00:26:22.980 And he does play Martoc, remember, in the game? 586 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:27.299 I think it's in the, um, that hunting game, the least dangerous 587 00:26:27.299 --> 00:26:28.380 game that we've already done. 588 00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:30.480 He was in an episode already. 589 00:26:30.539 --> 00:26:32.039 There she is, saving the day. 590 00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:35.099 Right, where the hell are the Cerritos crew? 591 00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:35.640 Did I see it? 592 00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:40.019 At this point. 593 00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:42.900 I have to keep saying it. 594 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:46.200 At this point, I was so convinced by everything that this was 595 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:47.220 playing out in this episode. 596 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:49.859 No, and they're there. 597 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:51.900 You know, they're going to forgive her and stuff. 598 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:54.180 It's it's very exciting. 599 00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:57.180 But it's like one of those moments where I want to jump out of my 600 00:26:57.180 --> 00:27:01.680 seat and punch the air because I was so thoroughly hoodwinked by 601 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:01.980 it. 602 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:07.680 I think maybe in the back of my head, I was like, well, if she's 603 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:10.440 gone to the length of having sex with that bird, she must mean 604 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:10.740 it. 605 00:27:10.740 --> 00:27:13.319 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 606 00:27:13.380 --> 00:27:14.160 Yeah, yeah. 607 00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:16.859 But she just likes having sex, I think. 608 00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:18.480 Oh, peanut hamper. 609 00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:21.059 We witnessed Peter had the selfless act. 610 00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:27.720 Oh, now, no, I'm sorry, now I wouldn't be so convinced. 611 00:27:27.779 --> 00:27:29.279 Now she's laying it on a bit too. 612 00:27:29.339 --> 00:27:31.380 These beautiful birds that I meant. 613 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:33.960 Yes, I understand love and sacrifice. 614 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:35.579 And blah, blah, blah. 615 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:39.119 And it was this bit now, which goes, no, no, no, you stay here 616 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:39.599 with your people. 617 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:43.859 I must return to them. 618 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.799 I think we have heard that a few times in Star Trek. 619 00:27:46.859 --> 00:27:47.220 Yes. 620 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:48.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 621 00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:48.480 Yeah. 622 00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.140 Well, it's another romance episode, isn't it? 623 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:53.940 We've talked about Star Trek romance episodes. 624 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.220 This is one of the more convincing one. 625 00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:57.299 Yeah, that's right. 626 00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:59.339 This works quite well. does work quite well. 627 00:27:59.579 --> 00:28:03.599 Look, if only all-star trip romance has had that many muscles on 628 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:04.740 display, we'd be quite happy. 629 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:06.000 Yeah. 630 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.980 Instead, we end up with a hot guy. 631 00:28:08.099 --> 00:28:12.240 Icky men like it, Meridian and the price and things like that. 632 00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:12.960 Yeah. 633 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:13.680 Yep. 634 00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:16.140 Oh, what's the current now? 635 00:28:16.259 --> 00:28:18.599 Oh, so the ship. 636 00:28:18.660 --> 00:28:19.440 Oh, yeah. 637 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:23.400 Yeah, because we blew up the ship, so they've got one of our ships 638 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:27.240 one of the REO ships, and we're attacking with that. 639 00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:33.779 My, um, my one criticism of this episode is that the unfortunate 640 00:28:33.779 --> 00:28:37.140 thing about an episode with a brilliant twist is when you know the 641 00:28:37.140 --> 00:28:39.359 twist, you've never experiencing it in the same way. 642 00:28:39.420 --> 00:28:43.440 You know, you saw, you watch the mechanics of the plot and how 643 00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:46.680 it's falling you the 2nd time, which does make the 2nd viewing, you 644 00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:49.140 know, quite nice, but... 645 00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:51.599 Shakes came in carrying a whole bunch of little baby birds. 646 00:28:51.779 --> 00:28:54.900 They all go sort of bouncing across the village. 647 00:28:56.579 --> 00:28:58.619 And here it is. 648 00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:00.299 This is where it is. 649 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.339 She's been sprung. 650 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.400 I did think as well, actually, on this watch, I was like, well 651 00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:09.119 wouldn't she have possibly calculated that this could happen and 652 00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:15.180 so destroy J.G. Hertler's ship during the fireworks, maybe? 653 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:17.220 Well, that happened, didn't it? 654 00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:22.079 And they had to get on board one of the old ships from the uh, from 655 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:22.740 the cave. 656 00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:27.839 She's so horrible about these bird people now. house. 657 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:31.799 Star Trek characters just don't behave like this normally. 658 00:29:33.420 --> 00:29:34.920 Yes. 659 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:38.160 And again, she's dismissing them. 660 00:29:38.220 --> 00:29:41.279 You know, she made that crack about how they had an invented tiles 661 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:50.640 and they had straw now shut the fuck up. sounds like you. in that 662 00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:56.519 triple episode where he lost his tongue. even cries after we do 663 00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:56.700 it. 664 00:29:58.140 --> 00:30:01.380 And Tandy, Tandy silver leaves. 665 00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:02.579 Bless her. 666 00:30:02.579 --> 00:30:03.660 She's doing it again. 667 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:05.460 Wonderfully nice, isn't she? 668 00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:07.079 Smell you later. 669 00:30:08.099 --> 00:30:11.400 Because they all shit everywhere, is her? 670 00:30:12.299 --> 00:30:13.019 She's so awful. 671 00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:14.160 So awful. 672 00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:16.019 Oh boy. 673 00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.920 And so this is the final act. 674 00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:23.099 And now the Cerritos itself is under threat, obviously, from the 675 00:30:23.099 --> 00:30:24.420 big spaceship. 676 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:26.460 This battle's pretty bad. fabulous. 677 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:27.420 Look at that. 678 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.119 Sarah and across the hall. looks really good. 679 00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:34.019 Oh, what's the engineer's name? 680 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:35.640 I love that character. 681 00:30:35.700 --> 00:30:39.240 The one where they're trying to get into our sex is the best. 682 00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:40.259 It's so good. 683 00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:42.059 Can we roll that soon, please? 684 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:44.819 Well, let's just keep rolling lower decks. brilliant. 685 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.559 In fact, that episode that you mention is the one where Agamus 686 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:51.299 appears for the 1st time. 687 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:57.480 So the B plot is Boheemler and Mariner down on the planet with 688 00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:00.779 Agamus trying not to be seduced by him. 689 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:04.440 And look at Sexy Router, at the helm of the ship. 690 00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:06.119 Nah, he still cries. 691 00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:09.599 No, no, no, but like that's pretty cool. 692 00:31:09.660 --> 00:31:14.460 And so there is something happening here, isn't it? 693 00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:20.039 Where, um, they discover, so they've hidden themselves away and 694 00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.920 they're a few science and they're kind of pathetic in a way that 695 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:25.740 that peanut hamper correctly identifies. 696 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.859 You know, they're full of parasites and their faecal matter isn't 697 00:31:28.859 --> 00:31:31.799 sort of white and runny. 698 00:31:32.099 --> 00:31:37.200 Um, and so they kind of learn to accept their past. 699 00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:38.940 You know, they're not retreating here anymore. 700 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:41.640 They are going to, and a new thing is going to happen. 701 00:31:41.700 --> 00:31:44.819 You know, we've got to, you know, we can do what we want. 702 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.160 We don't know if we obey these old rules, which I think is pretty 703 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:47.519 great. 704 00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:50.220 And that's a personal trick message. 705 00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:50.579 There you go. 706 00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.579 You have earned your right to command us now. 707 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:54.720 Yeah. 708 00:31:54.779 --> 00:31:56.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 709 00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:58.859 So that's actually quite good, and here's peanut hamper trying to 710 00:31:58.859 --> 00:32:00.539 get the credit for that. 711 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:01.319 We did it. 712 00:32:01.380 --> 00:32:02.400 Yes. 713 00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:03.720 That's it. 714 00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:08.220 That's it. whatever. 715 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.700 I mean, that would have been a good twist again. 716 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:13.980 No, actually, this is what I was doing all along. 717 00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:15.240 No, no, you weren't. 718 00:32:15.299 --> 00:32:18.240 No, she's just coming to take the take the credit. 719 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:23.400 The Borg. 720 00:32:23.460 --> 00:32:25.259 Enjoy being assimilated. 721 00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:29.220 She's so dreadful. 722 00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:31.500 Lock her up. 723 00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.559 Yeah, that's what we're going to do. 724 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:35.579 There she is. 725 00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:36.720 Oh, I don't know though. 726 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:37.500 Institute. 727 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:39.960 I mean, I love this anything, but I would have just loved this 728 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:43.200 terrible character being in every episode, you know, snarky 729 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:43.619 remarks. 730 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:51.599 So there's another dumb, another dumb, slightly dumb, self-aware. 731 00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:53.519 Oops, I didn't give you Charles to guess. 732 00:32:54.539 --> 00:32:56.160 There he is. 733 00:32:56.220 --> 00:32:57.720 Agamus. 734 00:32:57.779 --> 00:32:59.160 I must say. 735 00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:02.519 That's a mathematically perfect name, Migo. 736 00:33:02.819 --> 00:33:06.240 I think you and I could do awful things together. 737 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:10.920 It's such a great part for Jeffrey Coombs as well. absolutely 738 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:11.940 perfect. 739 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:13.319 He's so good. 740 00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:15.000 But think of that. 741 00:33:15.059 --> 00:33:16.200 I mean, is nomad there? 742 00:33:16.259 --> 00:33:17.220 I can't see. 743 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:23.220 And that beautiful shot... 744 00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:24.059 Stream Institute. 745 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:24.420 Yeah. 746 00:33:24.420 --> 00:33:25.200 Yeah. 747 00:33:25.259 --> 00:33:28.920 And that's what it looks like in Star Trek Picard as well. when 748 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:31.680 you see it in Star Trek Picard, which is pretty great. 749 00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:34.380 They're all talking then, the show runners. 750 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:36.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 751 00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:40.559 It's actually that same shot only, like real, except not real 752 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:41.640 obviously, a special effect. 753 00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:43.680 It's a true one offer, isn't it? 754 00:33:43.740 --> 00:33:45.539 Like, you couldn't do that every other week. 755 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.220 But boy, oh, boy. 756 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:48.299 It is unique. 757 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:48.960 Yeah. 758 00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.200 And it's just so outrageously funny. 759 00:33:52.259 --> 00:33:54.180 What's being really clever. 760 00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:59.160 I guess the other one that they've done, which is really just a 761 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.279 formal experiment where they're trying to do something weird and 762 00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:05.640 different and interesting, is that episode Wedge Dudge that 763 00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:10.679 introduces the new Vulcan character whose name escapes me. 764 00:34:10.739 --> 00:34:14.820 Um, and it's the one with the 3 lower decks on the different 765 00:34:14.820 --> 00:34:15.360 ships. 766 00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:16.139 Remember that? 767 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:20.880 There's the Klingon ship and there's the Vulcan ship and there's 768 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.480 our ship and we have, you know, lower decks characters on each of 769 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.579 them all involved in the one plot. 770 00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:27.480 I think it's pretty good. 771 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:31.320 It must be in series three, I think, because it introduces that 772 00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:34.619 new Vulcan character who appears quite a lot in series four. 773 00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:37.440 When you think of something like Voyager as a whole. 774 00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:41.820 You and I have identified lots of episodes where we divert away 775 00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:45.599 from the regular cars and generally that's, you know, because half 776 00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:48.599 the regular cars are intolerable. those are the preferable 777 00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:49.139 episodes. 778 00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:53.159 Living witness when you've seen them all as evil or timeless where 779 00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:56.340 we go to an alternative timeline, you know. the killing game when 780 00:34:56.340 --> 00:34:59.219 they're all playing those fabulous French resistance characters 781 00:34:59.219 --> 00:35:01.559 you know, and we're like, well, this is much more fun than the 782 00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:03.780 usual Tom Paris and Harry Kim episodes. 783 00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:08.519 Unfortunately, or rather fortunately, with lower decks, we're in 784 00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:11.280 the advantageous position of loving all the regular characters. 785 00:35:11.340 --> 00:35:14.880 So you can't do this too often because we want to hang with those 786 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:15.119 people. 787 00:35:15.179 --> 00:35:16.320 Yeah. 788 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:20.699 I did actually find myself missing Mariner and Boemler a little 789 00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:22.440 bit by about the midway point. 790 00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:26.940 But obviously this was absolutely worth doing. 791 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:27.480 I think. 792 00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:31.860 Well, the thing this scores is by giving Peanut Hamper her own 793 00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:36.000 episode is I desperately want to go to be a regular at the end of 794 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:36.360 the day. 795 00:35:36.420 --> 00:35:39.659 I was like, no, you would compliment this crew perfectly, you 796 00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:39.900 know. 797 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.780 And like I said at the start, you can do this. 798 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:46.860 You can have like the anti-hero, like they did with Giorgio in the 799 00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:49.800 series and it not feel like Star Trek. 800 00:35:49.860 --> 00:35:51.539 Yeah, yeah. 801 00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:52.920 Oh, wonderful. 802 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:54.719 Terrific stars. so much fun. 803 00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:06.659 All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to 804 00:36:06.659 --> 00:36:08.699 work out where we're going next. 805 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:13.679 This was your excellent choice, Joe, and so it's time for me to 806 00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:15.840 choose something much worse. 807 00:36:15.900 --> 00:36:20.940 And to that end, I have decided that we're going to do an episode 808 00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:21.659 event. 809 00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:22.679 No furniture. 810 00:36:22.739 --> 00:36:24.059 We're going to the project. 811 00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:27.719 I was just waiting to hear an abroas. 812 00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:29.340 What do you mean to say, enterprise? 813 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:32.460 We're still behind on Enterprise, you know, we shouldn't really be 814 00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:37.440 doing more Enterprise, but I want to do Voyager because I love 815 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:37.739 it. 816 00:36:38.099 --> 00:36:41.039 So does Kurt's terrible. 817 00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:42.719 Yeah, that's right. 818 00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:47.219 Do you remember that question I've asked about why so much Voyager 819 00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:48.960 and so little DS9? 820 00:36:49.019 --> 00:36:52.199 I received an answer this week in an interview? 821 00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:53.760 I can't remember who it was with now. 822 00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:57.780 My memory's terrible, where they basically said, it's such a 823 00:36:57.780 --> 00:37:00.599 strong vision and body of work. 824 00:37:00.659 --> 00:37:06.000 They don't want to ruin DS9 by doing too much like afterwards. 825 00:37:06.059 --> 00:37:08.579 And the so I said... 826 00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:08.940 I get it. 827 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:10.260 I said that. 828 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.679 Do you remember I said I thought that it would be a bad idea for 829 00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.639 them to go in there and resolve what happens at the end and kind 830 00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:18.480 of ruin it? 831 00:37:18.539 --> 00:37:23.039 Like, that we don't want to see what happens to the emissary. 832 00:37:23.099 --> 00:37:26.340 We don't want to see Cisco come back and we don't need to know 833 00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:26.639 that. 834 00:37:26.699 --> 00:37:29.099 I think that there's something to be said for that. 835 00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:30.719 We're changelings a bit. 836 00:37:30.780 --> 00:37:31.860 A weird compliment. 837 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:35.099 We don't want to touch you because you've got too strong of an 838 00:37:35.099 --> 00:37:35.639 identity. 839 00:37:35.699 --> 00:37:39.659 And it becomes a compliment to Voyager because it's like, well 840 00:37:39.659 --> 00:37:40.500 your characters are fun. 841 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:43.079 We'll have you in there, but you've got such a shitty identity 842 00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:43.440 yourself. 843 00:37:43.500 --> 00:37:45.659 It don't matter what we do. 844 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.219 Yeah, we don't care what happens. 845 00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:49.860 Yeah, they went on, you know. 846 00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:51.960 And did Star Trek things afterwards. 847 00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:52.619 It was fine. 848 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.619 All right, Star Trek Voyager, are we ready? 849 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:57.179 No, but let's do it. 850 00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:58.559 Oh my god. 851 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:03.360 You know, a random soundtrack Voyager episode is the 37s. 852 00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:05.820 Series two, episode one. 853 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:09.840 Do you know, I was listening to a Star Trek podcast the other day 854 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:13.679 where 5 people were talking about the 37s and they were all 855 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:14.519 lauding it. 856 00:38:14.579 --> 00:38:17.099 Like it was this incredible piece of work. 857 00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:19.260 It is such a bad script. 858 00:38:20.820 --> 00:38:24.239 I'm half tempted to do it. 859 00:38:24.300 --> 00:38:28.139 Anything that opens with, oh, it's a truck in space. 860 00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.440 Tom, aren't you an expert on 20th century truck? 861 00:38:34.500 --> 00:38:35.760 All right. 862 00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:41.699 The void, which we covered in episode 117. 863 00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:43.619 Not all that long ago. 864 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:48.900 Season five, episode 20, think tank. 865 00:38:49.739 --> 00:38:52.739 Oh, that's the one. 866 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:56.519 Yeah, it's a really cheap, super brain set. 867 00:38:56.579 --> 00:38:59.639 Um, that sort of thinks through all the problems in here. 868 00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:01.500 It's not that great, if I'm honest. 869 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:04.679 Is it the one with Jason Alexander? 870 00:39:04.739 --> 00:39:05.880 It is. 871 00:39:05.940 --> 00:39:10.199 So Jason Alexander obviously now is on prodigy. 872 00:39:10.619 --> 00:39:15.480 But this is sort of Seinfeld, Jason Alexander, isn't it? 873 00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:18.480 It's about as mid as Voyager gets, you know? 874 00:39:18.539 --> 00:39:21.780 It's like nothing too offensive, but I mean, it was probably a big 875 00:39:21.780 --> 00:39:25.500 deal getting Jason Alexander, but now in 2024. 876 00:39:25.619 --> 00:39:26.099 I don't care. 877 00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:30.119 I feel as if we should do something either spectacular or truly 878 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:30.659 dismal. 879 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:33.420 Okay, well, which one is this? 880 00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:37.380 Season seven, episode 11 shattered. 881 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:42.300 So that was the season 7 episode where Chakotay is sort of 882 00:39:42.300 --> 00:39:46.739 shattered through time and visits various segments of Voyagers 883 00:39:46.739 --> 00:39:47.099 history. 884 00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:50.519 It was there one sort of chance to look back over the last 7 years 885 00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:53.760 and say all the progress that they haven't made with the premise. 886 00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:57.300 It stars the medium, Robert. 887 00:39:57.420 --> 00:40:00.059 It does have Cisca in it, though, because it does go back to a 888 00:40:00.059 --> 00:40:01.380 period where Cisca's in it. 889 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:05.760 So, okay, that's a thing because what's the other one? 890 00:40:05.820 --> 00:40:07.380 It's not worst case scenario. 891 00:40:07.380 --> 00:40:08.460 It is worst case scenario. 892 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:09.960 She comes back in that too. 893 00:40:10.019 --> 00:40:12.960 We're sort of on the holodeck, but it all goes a bit wrong as it 894 00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:13.380 tends to. 895 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:14.940 That's right. 896 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:17.280 Oh, it becomes a hollow novel, doesn't it? 897 00:40:17.340 --> 00:40:18.360 And everyone's playing it. 898 00:40:18.420 --> 00:40:19.739 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 899 00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:25.679 But for an episode that is skipping back through the history of 900 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:28.679 Star Trek Voyager, it's very plain. 901 00:40:28.739 --> 00:40:30.840 Like relativity does the same thing. 902 00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:35.159 Relativity jumps back to just before they boarded Voyager when 903 00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:36.000 it's in dry dock. 904 00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:37.800 And it's way more fun. 905 00:40:37.860 --> 00:40:38.940 Pressure again. 906 00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:39.300 Okay. 907 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:40.019 All right. 908 00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:43.139 Oh, I think you're going to want this one. 909 00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:47.159 Season two, episode 18 Death Wish. 910 00:40:47.219 --> 00:40:48.179 Oh, yes. 911 00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:48.780 Yes. 912 00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:49.619 Yeah. 913 00:40:49.619 --> 00:40:52.019 One of the best... 914 00:40:52.380 --> 00:40:53.820 Really? 915 00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:58.199 Okay, so it's John Delancey, but it's not his 1st appearance on 916 00:40:58.199 --> 00:40:59.340 Voyager, is it? 917 00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:01.019 It is his 1st appearance on Voyager. 918 00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:03.059 And it's the only appearance. 919 00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:06.360 I won't give any spoilers to what happens to him. of the 2nd cues 920 00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:06.780 in this. 921 00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:12.360 It really has something important to say this episode about 922 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.340 euthanasia and making choices. 923 00:41:14.460 --> 00:41:16.980 And it's really funny as well. 924 00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:20.820 I think you'll be a bit miffed because I think I think you have a 925 00:41:20.820 --> 00:41:23.159 few issues with Q on Voyager, don't you? 926 00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:25.199 That sort of Q Janeway relationship. 927 00:41:25.260 --> 00:41:28.619 The sexism just annoys me, like he just doesn't have to be 928 00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:29.219 sexist. 929 00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:31.920 They don't have to ride him that way, but because they're so 930 00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:34.679 conscious that they have a female captain, they have to kind of 931 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:36.059 keep mentioning it. 932 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:42.059 Like, as if, as if, uh, Celess had Q talking about how Cisco was 933 00:41:42.059 --> 00:41:42.960 black all the time. 934 00:41:43.019 --> 00:41:43.920 Do you know what I mean? 935 00:41:43.980 --> 00:41:46.380 That doesn't happen because that would have been horrific. 936 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:50.880 I kind of think it's a mistake for them to do it with Janeway. 937 00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:54.480 I think this is the only time Q properly works on Voyager. 938 00:41:54.539 --> 00:41:57.239 And that's because, okay, Hiller is writing this script. 939 00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.119 And he really, he really does want to do something. 940 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:03.900 And they conceptualised the queue continuum on this sort of dusty 941 00:42:03.900 --> 00:42:04.199 road. 942 00:42:04.260 --> 00:42:05.159 Do you remember? 943 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:06.840 Yes, I remember that very well. 944 00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:07.860 Super interesting. 945 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.800 Voyager somehow ends up as an ornament on a Christmas tree. 946 00:42:10.860 --> 00:42:13.139 I mean, it's just for me. 947 00:42:13.139 --> 00:42:18.360 And there is a brilliant, brilliant scene where Q says to Janeway 948 00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:22.860 if you let this hearing go my way and it just points to the window 949 00:42:22.860 --> 00:42:24.360 and earths outside the window. 950 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:27.840 It's a really great episode. 951 00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:29.340 I think we should absolutely do that. 952 00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:30.840 Okay, awesome. 953 00:42:39.900 --> 00:42:42.840 You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford 954 00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:44.099 and Nathan Bottomley. 955 00:42:44.099 --> 00:42:47.519 We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find 956 00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:50.219 subscription links and links to our social media accounts. 957 00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:54.059 Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was 958 00:42:54.059 --> 00:42:55.800 composed by Cameron Lamb. 959 00:42:55.860 --> 00:43:00.059 This episode was recorded on the 17th of September 2024 and 960 00:43:00.059 --> 00:43:01.739 released on the 20th of September. 961 00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:05.699 We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, Death Wish. 962 00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:26.760 It's a shame we have to come away from lower decks now, and it'll 963 00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:30.059 probably be about 10 episodes before we head back again, because I 964 00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:31.800 swear this is where we laugh the most. 965 00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:37.920 So, I mean, we're in a position where, you know, as we record or 966 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:38.579 release this. 967 00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:42.900 It's about a month until the final series, series 5 drops. 968 00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:44.940 So it's not too far away. 969 00:43:45.059 --> 00:43:47.159 And it has been great. 970 00:43:47.219 --> 00:43:51.420 I kind of always say it might be C.S. Lewis, who said, there are 2 971 00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:54.900 times you can stop doing something before everyone's sick of it or 972 00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:55.800 afterwards. 973 00:43:55.860 --> 00:44:00.960 And, like, I'm so ending. making the right call, I think, but they 974 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:01.739 are making a good call. 975 00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:02.159 I think. 976 00:44:02.219 --> 00:44:03.000 What would it be? 977 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:03.599 50 episodes. 978 00:44:03.659 --> 00:44:05.400 That's a nice episode. 979 00:44:05.460 --> 00:44:07.739 Solid run, Nearly as many as discovery. 980 00:44:07.860 --> 00:44:10.800 Well, I think we said this in the past as well. 981 00:44:10.860 --> 00:44:17.219 Probably the most consistently good arm of Star Trek because it 982 00:44:17.219 --> 00:44:18.179 just knows what it's doing. 983 00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:20.579 It knows what it's doing and it does it extremely well. 984 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:28.920 And you know that there's talk of a, um, a live action sitcom of 985 00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:35.519 Star Trek in the works, and it, like this has made it clear that 986 00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:38.460 it can work as a sick, that can be comedy. 987 00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:43.139 Please, Star Trek, in front of a, you know, live audience. 988 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:48.300 Every time someone gets on the bridge. sitcoms aren't like that 989 00:44:48.300 --> 00:44:48.539 anymore. 990 00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:50.159 I think it could be funny. 991 00:44:50.219 --> 00:44:52.079 You know, we did trouble with Edward. 992 00:44:52.139 --> 00:44:52.619 That was pretty funny. 993 00:44:52.739 --> 00:44:55.739 I reckon it's doable, but we'll see. 994 00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:59.039 I am going to end this episode where I started. 995 00:44:59.099 --> 00:45:03.960 I genuinely do think this is one of the the few perfect episodes 996 00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:05.280 of Kursman Drake. 997 00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:07.500 Mathematically perfect. 998 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:08.880 Phomatically perfect. 999 00:45:11.940 --> 00:45:13.619 Yeah, that was great. 1000 00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:15.239 That was great. 1001 00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:16.139 Yeah, that was pretty good.