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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back after quite some time watching 2 episodes of Star Trek Prodigy, Series 2, episodes one and 2, Into the Breach Part 2, and Into the Breach Part 2.

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At the start of July, Netflix dropped all 20 episodes of season 2 all in one go, which is not at all what we used to.

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What a bumper tree.

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Well, it kind of happened at a time when I was, you know, away on holiday and I haven't really had time to catch up.

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So I'm really only about a 3rd of the way through the season.

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It could be whilst I find the world's smallest violin that you were too busy sunning yourself in Greece to watch Star Trek prodigy.

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It was a big problem.

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But I will get back to it.

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I will get back to it because I do find it really terribly agreeable.

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I have to say, so we're watching episodes one and two, and when Prodigy 1st came out, it was with an hour long special, remember?

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Wonderful.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And so this is kind of like that, although all of the episodes in this season are just kind of half an hour.

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There's an opposite.

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I have no reason.

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We're getting quite a few sort of full length stories.

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Yeah, but it is basically serialised as well.

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So it is all one big story and it is one thing I think that prodigy has managed to do is a good mix of serialisation and each episode having its own thing happening in it.

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And certainly I've noticed that so far in series 2, and it was definitely a thing in series one.

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I think the other thing it's done is it throws the premise away quite quickly.

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And so it promises to be a show about kids on a starship, you know, doing Star Trek things, and then midway through series one, they introduce Admiral Janeway, and the show takes a different turn and we get the introduction of the construct.

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And we had those sort of 100 Valnacot agents who kind of go back in time in order to get the proto star and stuff like that.

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So that kind of changes things quite a bit and makes it sort of fairly complex.

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And now here, we're getting the show relaunching, but it doesn't relaunch with a clean slate, and a lot of the threads from the previous year are still up in the air.

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You haven't watched all of series one, have you?

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No, I've watched the 1st half and then just the ones we've done for this, but enough that I could understand what was going on here.

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Are you sure this throws away the premise because I've only watched episodes one too.

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And at the end of episode two, I felt as if we were going back to the premise of series one as they go off in a spaceship into an unknown region of space.

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Yeah, but the 1st one...

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But the original premise, I think, is, you know, the kids on the starship under the command of Hologram Janeway and they have their own Federation starship that they kind of run themselves.

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And that was sort of really rather charming and sort of sweet, but they had to come up with a way to keep them away from the Federation, I think, over 20 episodes.

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And so that's why we have the construct.

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So series one ends with them kind of being about to be welcomed into Starfleet Academy.

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And so series 2 starts when they're at that position, but they get to go off into space and and suddenly we still have the question of where did the proto star come from, which is sort of resolved at the end of series one.

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But we still have the proto star in play, even though it's destroyed in the present day in the finale.

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No, no, no. title later on in the season called Last Flight of the Protestar, Parts one and two.

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So I think your answers may be coming.

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Do you know, I'm going to have a long-winded answer to my reaction to this episode because I'm not entirely sure whether it's a good episode of Star Trek Prodigy, but I thought it was a very good episode of Star Trek Voyager.

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And I thought it was a pretty good episode of Lower Decks as well, because I was getting huge lower decks vibes in this, as the below decks and above decks plots were happening at the same time.

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And as an episode of Star Trek Academy, this mooted series that has never come to be, I thought it was absolutely sublime.

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I actually really thoroughly enjoyed this to the point where I got to the end of the 2nd episode and I said straight away to my brother, who's in the next room, I want to watch all of this now, I'm well invested.

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This is more, for me, I think, than series one and I like series one a lot, but I maybe wasn't as on board with the aimlessness of it as you were.

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I like the idea of them being grounded on earth and going off and having adventures and exploring all of that because we haven't really done that.

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Weirdly, given all of the Star Trek that we've had.

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We haven't told that story of kids at the academy, well, except for coming of age and terrible episodes like that.

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I really, really like this.

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Well, I think it is terribly cute and I love the way that they're all kind of gathered at the beginning, you know, kind of the posse comes together at the beginning of the episode as everyone gets a message and we see what they're doing at the academy and how people are reacting to the academy.

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And in particular, Dal, I think, is kind of interesting that he's not happy at the academy because he doesn't want to study.

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He wants to go out and adventure.

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He says at one point, doesn't he?

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We had a ship.

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We could go to whatever planet we wanted and now we're stuck. reading these books.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Just won it, yeah.

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Do you know, one thing that really stood out as well is we've done a bit of 90s trick lately.

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And I thought in the plotting of this and the writing of it, there are, that people are pointing at a prodigy and said, this is for kids, there are much, much stupider episodes of 90s trek than this.

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I thought this was very well written.

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I thought the way the plot was constructed was really interesting with enough surprises and mysteries to keep me going.

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Like, obviously, this is TV for a modern audience.

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That's TV from the 90s.

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But as an episode of Voyager.

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I would have said this was top tier, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And I love the Voyager stuff.

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I think, you know, Voyager is a little bit unloved, including by us, but but we do love Voyager and have enormous warm feelings towards it, I think.

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And so like just that moment at the beginning of part 2 and the opening credits where you've got 2 of the 3 Roberts, you know, their names in the opening credits are on the one slide, which is pretty great.

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I think I think they must have been reluctant to spoil Robert Picardo's appearance in episode one, which is why he doesn't get a thing in the opening credits.

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But just having him back.

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That's a great surprise.

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I really...

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You know, the best character of Voyage is here.

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That's right.

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My only only pictures of all this Voyager love, and I really like the fact that they are waving the flag for Star Trek Voyager in this show as well is, you know what I'm going to say here, is I really feel like.

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DS9 is.

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Again, the lost child of the 90s because we've had like one off stories there.

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But we've had an entire series that's whanked off the next generation.

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Now we've got a series which is wanking off Voyager.

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And Paul DS9 is not even having his testicles tickled.

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Well, there was an episode of Loading.

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It is the best show of the 90s.

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Come on, Christmas tree.

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What's wrong with you?

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But I do not object to all of this.

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I mean, it's Kate Mulgar and Robert Picardo, how could you possibly object?

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He's pretty great, isn't it?

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It is pretty good.

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I think that there's something to be said for avoiding answering the question of what happens next to Ben Cisco and leaving that a mystery, leaving his disappearance at the end of what you leave behind a kind of unresolved plot thread.

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I think it would be wrongdoing to come.

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Avery Brooks has lost his mind.

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Well, there's that.

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I mean, they probably can't have him back.

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But, but I also think that that ending is good and they should be wary before they come in and travel.

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It doesn't need it doesn't need lifting because it's a good show in its own right.

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But I just, I don't know.

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I want to hang out with those characters more.

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That's all.

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And lower decks, lower decks has gone to DS9, and we have done a few nice touches.

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I mean, Kira and Quark in that episode. were fabulous.

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Yeah.

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So good.

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But, uh, yeah, I mean, I'm hoping we do push away from this much Voyager into this being sort of purely prodigy as the series goes along.

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Or is this just what prodigy is now?

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A hybrid or this Voyager.

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Yeah, I think it probably is.

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I think probably the rescue of Chakotay.

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Like I said, I haven't gone into it far enough, but the rescue of Chakotay still seems to be a sort of major thing, we're on board.

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But we want to rescue him.

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Well, you know, like I think they sell it.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, oh, there's a wonderful bit where, you know, he goes, she goes he was my number one.

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And you're like, what the hell does that mean?

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That's got some layers, that statement.

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Yeah, I thought so too.

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But also the kids owe him as well.

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And it is pretty early on in the season that they actually meet him too.

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Spoiler alert.

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So that's a thing that's coming.

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Well, we should probably go into the episode, but I will just say one last thing before we go in.

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And that is, if this is going to be the new prodigy, this little hybrid of Voyager and prodigy, then I'm very pleased that we're finally getting Voyager written by capable writers.

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Let's go.

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All right.

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I will count us in.

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Have I just dismissed 7 seasons of Star Trek?

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Cruel bit fair, though.

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Um, does it?

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Now look at the weird thing.

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So that's the voyage and look at that weird space thing.

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There's some Are you getting the trailer, the Star Trek trailer?

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Yeah.

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So it's just a, so that's a mission statement that Voyager is the ship on prodigy now, yeah?

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I think so yeah.

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Oh, because the shit they got, I figured that was going to be the ship they were going to be in for the rest of it.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I thought it was totally wrong.

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No, that's fine, just that they go off in. isn't it?

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Voyager A. Oh, what?

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The little ship at the end.

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It goes into the wormhole.

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Oh, no, that's what's that called?

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The infinity, I think.

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Yeah, I figured that was gonna be that.

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Well, maybe there'll be just sort of dual ships.

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Oh, okay, no, you've seen more than me.

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Okay, cool.

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Oh yeah.

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So I just need to say to you about this fabulous piece of title music that we have for prodigy.

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And that is that my other half heard the strings coming in and so I came into the room right and started doing his sort of dancing and then somewhere halfway through the theme, it became sort of sexy dancing.

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I wasn't quite sure what was going on.

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And then by the end of the theme, he was dry humping me on the sofa.

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I know, and I did say to him at the end of the music, you do realise this is a kid's show, and then he ran off out of the room.

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We should write to Michael Cacchino and tell him.

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I'll try and film it. you know, put it out alongside the episode.

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But it is gorgeous.

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And the music, that da, da, da, da, da.

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I love it.

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Look at Janeway, look, made up of all of those.

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Hologram Janeway.

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Made up of all those L cars displays.

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We should not hologram anymore, though, is she?

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No, no, it's Admiral Janeway now.

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And it is Admiral Janeway halfway through series one.

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And I think Hologram Janeway sacrifices her life.

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So we kind of reenact Endgame.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Where we have a spare Janeway to sacrifice to solve the kind of problem posed by the finale.

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I mean, in this episode.

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The only bit I really didn't understand was when we went off to, I can't remember the girl's name now to her home planet and all of that because that was all dealing with stuff that happened last year and the consequence of it.

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But what I did like about that was, I said, bloody hell, I wish forward you have been doing this back in the 90s, having an, you know, an A-plot, and then a running B-plot going throughout the season.

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And it's very clear, like, even if you don't have the backstory, you know, watch a look at Murph.

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Oh, I love it.

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I've seen like a person now.

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So he goes into a kind of chrysalis and then emerges looking like that.

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So I think they decide to redesign a character.

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I think he's still adorable.

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But he's a little...

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But he can't do what he did in the 1st episode when he went sliding across the camera. when the ship was under attack.

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Well, you remember he was a toddler and I think that they decided that was too restrictive.

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All right.

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So this was a reference to Lieutenant Larkin.

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So this is Rocktock giving a, um, giving a little lecture, uh, like a presentation about trible biology, uh, and she mentions uh, Edward Larkin, the lieutenant from the trouble with Edward.

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Ah, okay.

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Yeah, so there's a reference to that.

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We have references here to lower decks as well.

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There's an episode talking about lower decks.

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And look, I love this thing with Jankum too.

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So Jankum has decided that he has to be clean and polite and well behaved if he's going to be in the academy.

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But he's still clumsy because he falls over clumsy.

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How incestuous all these shows are getting referencing each other.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Because they're all part of the same franchise.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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I never understood why Buffy and Angel saw did it all very discreetly, you know, when they were referencing each other.

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So I wonder where this goes.

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Because this happens twice, doesn't it?

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So we have, um, we we have 0 who is unable to touch anyone envying these 2 teenagers who are just holding hands or touching one another's hand.

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Um, I cannot tell you how impressed I am by the vocal performance of 0 because I really, he's a ball with some lights in it.

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Yeah, I can absolutely feel what he's going through there wanting to be able to experience intimacy.

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Yeah.

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So that's Angus Imory, of course, who's Celia Imory's son.

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Wow, the talent does not fall very far from the tree.

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Exactly.

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And so it's a jam, fabulous as a cartoon.

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I know.

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Finally, we get the message that Janeway's sending and she's getting all of them.

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So they're not cadets yet, are they?

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They're kind of, they're studying to pass some sort of entrance exam before they become.

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Well, we're changing the rules a bit now, because generally speaking, back in the day, you did not go on to starships to get your entrance, you just sat down in front of a boring computer and, you know, looked at some diagrams and things, like in coming of age or whatever.

211
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Yeah, that would make a very boring episode if that was the case.

212
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Also, like these guys, and we don't quite know yet why they've been chosen, but she's got them on board because the wormhole is something that they created by detonating the proto star and because it involves them.

213
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So it isn't a thing that normally happens.

214
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Or there's the Nova Squadron people on board, aren't there?

215
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I loved all of that.

216
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I loved, I love the fact that you, they were expecting to go on the ship for Janeway to welcome them with open arms for them to all be a lovely big family, you know, after what they've been through in series one.

217
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And it turns out she's at a distance, she's too busy.

218
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They're out of the loop.

219
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Something is going on on the ship.

220
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It's got lots of suspense.

221
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I really love that approach.

222
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And that's the lower decksness of it. isn't it?

223
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That they don't know what's going on.

224
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There is even one bit where they go on to the bridge and the door shuts on them, you know, and I was like, yeah, that's so low.

225
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We're not privy to this.

226
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Yeah, yeah, we have to go to a cargo bay and hide.

227
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Unfortunately, Murph starts glooping down at one point. just to sort of figure out what the plot's all about.

228
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Oh, here we go.

229
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Oh, the reveal of the doctor.

230
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They're really kind of milking it.

231
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I'll tell you what.

232
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The doctor is so great.

233
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He was so great for 7 years, he deserves this moment.

234
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Yeah, yeah, he really does. absolutely should be back.

235
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It does look like he's sort of made out of plaster scene there, though, doesn't he?

236
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Well, yes, yeah, yeah.

237
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It's funny, isn't it?

238
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The people, particularly people who we know as actors, do look a little bit odd.

239
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But I mean, that was always a problem with Janeway, I think, in series one too.

240
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I think the design of Dao is beautiful.

241
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Like that species.

242
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It's such a gorgeous look.

243
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So he, we discover he's um, a mutant like genetically engineered.

244
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And so there is a moment where it seems like he can't go into the academy.

245
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Um, and we're doing the thing that Star Trek never does because it would break the budget every time.

246
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Loads of scenes set on earth with gorgeous city scapes.

247
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The Golden Gate Bridge over there, Starfleet Academy over there is what I've always wanted to see, you know, is actual just normal scenes.

248
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Normally we go to that water filtration plant where there's a garden and a building, you know, that's all we ever say.

249
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Look at that.

250
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Look at the show coming away from Earth. doesn't it?

251
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gorgeous.

252
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I don't think this is this is talking down to adults at all, though, the tone of this.

253
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Like, I generally don't.

254
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No, no, no.

255
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I think I think a lot of people have dismissed this show and said it's, oh, yeah, that's the one for kids, isn't it?

256
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Like, this, to me, feels like a good episode of Voyager.

257
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

258
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I'm never worried about that.

259
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I think that that, like, I'm I'm happy to watch well-made kids TV.

260
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Do you know what I mean?

261
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Like, I don't I don't mind.

262
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And I mean, it's not like Star Trek is, you know, the Sopranos or something.

263
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It's still, it's still kind of cheesy genre TV. very boring. pleased it wasn't the sopranos.

264
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People were horrible on that.

265
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Well, maybe DS9 approached the sopranos every day. and again.

266
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But I do think listeners of Untitled Star Trek Project, people are like Dave Rennie and a few other people like that that I know haven't given this show a chance and I want him to listen to this episode and hear how good it is because I think he deserves a shot.

267
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Also as well, the whole sort of cancellation and moving channels and all of that.

268
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I think that sort of tarnished the reputation of prodigy a little bit of like, oh, this isn't worth it.

269
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It's not even worth screening on our channel.

270
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Let's just throw it out somewhere else.

271
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It's good stuff.

272
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Yeah, yeah, I think so too.

273
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It's better than it needs to be.

274
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And I think we spoke when we 1st covered it, just about the generosity of it.

275
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You know, that it is not the opposite of gatekeeping.

276
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It's inviting kids into the Star Trek universe.

277
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Look at this beautiful shot of the new Voyager A. What I should be saying then is not that it's not talking down to adults.

278
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It's not talking down to kids and that's more impressive.

279
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

280
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Well, you know, a few weeks ago we were watching an episode of the animated series, it was clearly aimed at children, and it was just dumb and basic, you know.

281
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Look how big the corridors on Voyager on now.

282
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Now we're in computer generation.

283
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That can be enormous.

284
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We can afford this really being said.

285
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I mean, that's the one thing that I missed a little bit because I thought the proto star was beautiful with those enormous spaces.

286
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Well, we're going to go back there later on in the season.

287
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Oh, so this is the equivalent of red squat that we had in the DS9 episode.

288
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What was it called?

289
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Valiant.

290
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And they were absolutely obnoxious and so were this bunch.

291
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But weren't this the bunch that Tom Licano or whatever his name, not Tom Licano.

292
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Right.

293
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Nova Squadron.

294
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, from the 1st duty.

295
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What was the name of that pattern they did in the sky?

296
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COVID Starburst.

297
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So you're such a geek.

298
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I knew you would know this.

299
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Janeway has 2 crew members here.

300
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One is her 2nd in command, who is David Diggs.

301
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We talked about that before, Commander Thisus.

302
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And then the Tellrite, there is, of course, Jason Alexander from Seinfeld, who, of course, did his own episode of Voyager as well.

303
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Kurtzman Trek continuing to get in ridiculously talented voice artists.

304
00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:22.619
Yeah, yeah. to do their shows.

305
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I must say the Adorian doesn't look quite as hot as me in the Untitled Star Trek.

306
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No, no, no, promotion picture.

307
00:21:28.740 --> 00:21:30.779
Isn't this shit beautiful, though?

308
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The new village is gorgeous, yeah.

309
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Frankly, this is what we could have had all along.

310
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I just love the fact that they have these massive widescreen windows in the bridge now, you know, like discovery does and all the ships do that.

311
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I don't know why.

312
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My God, when you saw this, the turbo lift going down and then another one going across.

313
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Something you never would have seen him.

314
00:21:56.220 --> 00:21:59.099
It was just a simple thing. and I was, because I would you say to you?

315
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how do they go across?

316
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Now I can see it.

317
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Yeah.

318
00:22:02.819 --> 00:22:06.119
And so it slipped sleepstream drive?

319
00:22:06.180 --> 00:22:11.099
That's a thing, which is mentioned in Voyager a couple of times and it looks like it's become a thing.

320
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I think that's what they use in the later seasons a couple of times to, you know, bump ahead a few minutes.

321
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Look at this.

322
00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:25.619
Look at Murph goes into the holiday and collects all of these rusty weapons and it's like hugely excited because he's going off to just like beat the shit.

323
00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:29.819
Zero's working in, um, in the Sick Bay Infirmary?

324
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Yeah, infirmary.

325
00:22:30.660 --> 00:22:31.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

326
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Sick Bay?

327
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Sick Bay, isn't it?

328
00:22:33.299 --> 00:22:33.720
Yeah.

329
00:22:33.779 --> 00:22:37.019
And the lady there's just given birth.

330
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And again, again, he's looking on longingly at the lack of intimacy that he can experience.

331
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I'm hoping that that has some sort of resolution.

332
00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:48.059
I'm clearly setting it up.

333
00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:53.339
I'm hoping, I don't know, his little lights managed to go into a person by the end of the year, maybe in the season.

334
00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:58.799
So this is Cetacean Ops, which is a thing that's established in lower decks.

335
00:22:58.859 --> 00:23:03.599
Remember that lower decks has sort of tanks that are full of dolphins and stuff?

336
00:23:03.660 --> 00:23:21.480
And I think it's, like, it's not properly mentioned, but I guess the idea is that Star Trek 4, you know, brought Wales back to Earth and now they're on board this starship for some reason and like whatever, what the fuck you care?

337
00:23:21.539 --> 00:23:22.619
You never know when we might.

338
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That pro might be back again.

339
00:23:23.940 --> 00:23:25.440
You never know when we might need them.

340
00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:27.359
So the...

341
00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:31.079
Rock is our tendee of this show. sort of the very cute one.

342
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That's really happy to be involved with everything.

343
00:23:33.539 --> 00:23:34.500
Yeah.

344
00:23:34.980 --> 00:23:40.380
It's so funny, actually, because the character, you know, the actor who plays her is so young.

345
00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:43.200
Like, she was nine, I think, in series one.

346
00:23:43.259 --> 00:23:45.720
I did notice that the age is creeping up in her voice.

347
00:23:45.779 --> 00:23:49.920
It was already a very good performance, but I thought she was wonderful in this.

348
00:23:49.980 --> 00:23:51.359
Yeah, yeah.

349
00:23:51.420 --> 00:23:58.140
But she does sound a bit older. you know, if she's still interested. somebody voices the, oh, is this what we're doing?

350
00:23:58.259 --> 00:24:00.180
Like, look what we did last year.

351
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:07.200
So I am pleased, because style could often be that sort of one where you're going, oh, God, I know he's going to come good in the end, but why is he being so stupid?

352
00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:10.980
But actually, I thought they used him really well.

353
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:12.180
Oh, he looks so despondent.

354
00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:23.640
Yeah, this, but then this big, you know, look at the mess hall compared to the tiny shitty set. in Voyager, this massive space for this massive window.

355
00:24:24.539 --> 00:24:26.819
Can't they have a hologram?

356
00:24:26.819 --> 00:24:30.000
Neelix saying, hello, I've got you some neon stew.

357
00:24:30.059 --> 00:24:31.980
Yeah, justice for Ethan.

358
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:33.359
Why hasn't he been back?

359
00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:36.539
I'm just checking on my phone now for a second.

360
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:40.559
I want to see if there's a Murph doll because I really want one because he's so cute.

361
00:24:40.619 --> 00:24:42.779
He is adorable, isn't he?

362
00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:45.119
It must be a figure or something, right?

363
00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:49.980
No, not that I can say.

364
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:50.700
Oh, shame.

365
00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:59.819
I'd be interested to see why they decided to change him, but I suspect it's because like the Murph toddler thing was fairly limiting.

366
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.359
Yeah, like how many jokes can you get out?

367
00:25:03.420 --> 00:25:05.400
Yeah, before you just start repeating the joke.

368
00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:06.539
Yeah, yeah.

369
00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:19.559
And, and like, just that sort of, because he plays a bit of a big role here and there is a, there's a, there's a whale, one of the Cetacean whales sort of tries to communicate with him and all of that.

370
00:25:19.619 --> 00:25:22.380
So it is a, it is definitely a thing.

371
00:25:22.380 --> 00:25:25.859
We're looking into Murf and learning more about him as a character.

372
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:34.559
But the idea was, of course, that rock would have to do security because she's so big and intimidating, but she never wanted to do that.

373
00:25:34.619 --> 00:25:40.500
She wanted to be a scientist And so leaving Murph being the one who does security is really cute.

374
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:43.920
Those windows in the, uh, in the mess hall there.

375
00:25:44.579 --> 00:25:45.720
Starscape. amazing.

376
00:25:45.779 --> 00:25:50.039
There was a great bit of dialogue there where Dal said, well, we used to be heroes.

377
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:54.480
And Rocktok goes, well, if we want to be heroes again, we've got to get into the academy.

378
00:25:54.539 --> 00:25:55.380
Yes.

379
00:25:55.380 --> 00:25:59.039
We'll find a way of bypassing all of that boring stuff in this season.

380
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:00.359
I don't think we will.

381
00:26:00.420 --> 00:26:01.380
I don't think we will.

382
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:04.799
I think rock has to be right and Dale has to learn a lesson.

383
00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:05.819
Do you know what I mean?

384
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:10.019
Because it's Star Trek and that's what Star Trek's like.

385
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:11.519
There was a line there.

386
00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:15.839
It's not going to keep quoting lines. it's just because it's so nice to have a Voyager episode with good lines.

387
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:19.859
Where, oh, no, I've forgotten the line already.

388
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:23.940
Will you stop looking so pretty, please?

389
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:24.900
very distracting.

390
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:28.440
I think the queen is looking pretty as well.

391
00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:31.980
I just remembered the line.

392
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:32.640
Yeah.

393
00:26:32.700 --> 00:26:34.200
Thank you for covering for me.

394
00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:37.140
He said, what is it?

395
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.480
No, she said, it's the new Voyager.

396
00:26:39.539 --> 00:26:40.680
What's not to love?

397
00:26:40.740 --> 00:26:44.700
that's absolutely the effects team when they were given this brief.

398
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:47.400
We want you to create the new boy.

399
00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:51.599
Because you've got to, there's got to be fans involved in that effects team, right?

400
00:26:51.660 --> 00:26:52.440
Oh, of course.

401
00:26:52.500 --> 00:27:08.220
Well, in fact, there was a line of dialogue at the time saying, of course, Voyager is now a space museum, um, which is, of course, uh, canon because of the episode 2 Vix, at the Lower Decks, episode 2 Vix, where we actually go aboard that museum.

402
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:12.059
And so this is the Voyager A, which is a different ship altogether.

403
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:21.779
Not to be mistaken for Living Witness, which is where Voyager was a space museum in the future, where they were all misremembered as a load of villains and bullies.

404
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:22.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

405
00:27:23.099 --> 00:27:23.880
Wonderful episode.

406
00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:26.759
So this is kind of sweet.

407
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:28.980
It does feel I see what you're saying.

408
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.500
Like, I mean, I love it because I love Star Trek.

409
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:32.940
But again, like discovery.

410
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:36.180
It feels like it's gone back into Star Trek default mode.

411
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.940
You know, we're back on a Federation starship.

412
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:40.079
We're going out on a mission.

413
00:27:40.140 --> 00:27:41.460
We're at the academy.

414
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:53.400
I think the kids will get to play a bigger role. and get to do their own thing, like get a little bit more initiative, but I think it is from the context of this ship.

415
00:27:53.460 --> 00:27:58.140
But that's okay because I think those, you know, the characters on the ship are good.

416
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:03.539
I'm not being cynical when I say this, but I think by having your in into series two.

417
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.839
You know, you love a series 2, episode one, when I show reformats.

418
00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:12.359
And actually, getting off on the 1st foot saying, actually, this is our Voyager episode.

419
00:28:12.420 --> 00:28:14.579
Janeway is going to have a big role in this.

420
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:21.059
A lot of people that maybe were resistant to series one might go, yeah, because I've seen Mulgrew at these conventions.

421
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:22.980
People love Voyager.

422
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:24.299
They love this crew.

423
00:28:24.420 --> 00:28:29.579
So they're going, oh, God, it's, you know, the new Voyager, Captain Jane Wafer Real, the doctor.

424
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:31.019
I'm going to give this a go.

425
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:33.480
I think it's a really smart move. to start this way.

426
00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:38.220
And it kind of does work because remember, Janeway was always out in.

427
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:52.140
She was the one who was teaching our crew about federation kind of morals and kind of ways of behaving and ideals and stuff like that, like introducing us to the world of Star Trek.

428
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:54.240
I'm not too sure about the timeline.

429
00:28:54.299 --> 00:28:57.539
Is 7 of 9 off with the Fenris Rangers right now?

430
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:03.059
Uh, yeah, I meant to check all that, but I can't remember it.

431
00:29:03.180 --> 00:29:05.460
Can she make an appearance later on, you know?

432
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:09.240
I've just skipped over from the Starship Enterprise which I'm currently capsing in.

433
00:29:09.299 --> 00:29:10.500
Hello, Captain Janeway.

434
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:17.880
So I do know that the Stardaid in episode 2 starts with the digit 61.

435
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:24.660
And when Voyager ends, what, what, what other star dates then?

436
00:29:24.660 --> 00:29:27.900
Is it, like, five, four?

437
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:34.200
So it's probably 7 or 8 years after Voyager comes back, I think, but I'm just guessing.

438
00:29:34.259 --> 00:29:36.720
I'm the Star Trek fan that don't like technobabble.

439
00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:38.819
How could you possibly ask me about Stardates?

440
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.819
Oh, but you know how Stardates work, don't you?

441
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:42.960
That, like, it's a four.

442
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:44.519
Don you know?

443
00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:46.500
Say the 2nd digit.

444
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:47.460
Oh come on.

445
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:49.079
The 2nd is shit.

446
00:29:49.140 --> 00:29:52.859
The 2nd digit is what season of Star Trek, the next generation it is.

447
00:29:52.920 --> 00:30:05.039
So for one, all of the Stardates in series one of the Next Generation are 41 number, number, number, dot, 3 and 42.

448
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.200
So season 7 is 47, right?

449
00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:10.259
And then Voyager is 48, season one.

450
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.599
And so, I don't know, it's a thing.

451
00:30:12.660 --> 00:30:13.200
No?

452
00:30:13.259 --> 00:30:18.119
No, I have managed to successfully get through 44 years of my life without not knowing that.

453
00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:21.539
I think my life will be more enriched now, I know it.

454
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:30.299
Well, so what I want you to do is go back and look at the website where we always put the Stardates for every episode that has them.

455
00:30:30.299 --> 00:30:32.400
No, because I'm always able to see the pattern.

456
00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:34.319
Well, the photograph that you've chosen, you know?

457
00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:40.380
You chose a particularly good one for Meridian, I noticed.

458
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:44.099
Yes, super upsetting.

459
00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:47.519
Another one.

460
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.579
Another thing I really loved about this 1st episode as well.

461
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:54.779
There is, it does introduce the mystery, but quite light.

462
00:30:54.839 --> 00:31:03.359
And for the most part, it's just these characters being together going onto Voyager and sort of finding their place in the universe again.

463
00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:04.799
And I really like that.

464
00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:05.940
It was a very gentle opening.

465
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:11.220
It's the same response I had to image in the sand in boys DS9 series 7.

466
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:18.660
It's just a lot of hang time before episode two, the shit all hits the fan. and by the end of that one, we've got our season rolling.

467
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:20.519
That's nice.

468
00:31:20.579 --> 00:31:21.779
Yeah.

469
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:24.539
I don't think you need to gum in guns blazing every time.

470
00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:31.440
No, no, I thought that was quite, quite good, and they spent, you know, they sold the premise quite well.

471
00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:35.759
We got to see the ship, all of that sort of stuff, we got reminded of who all the characters were.

472
00:31:35.819 --> 00:31:47.940
We get like Gwen Gwyn's plot on the planet Solum explained and just enough backstory to remind us what that's about. that we're seeing here.

473
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.839
We get to introduce the children to the word cockamamy as well.

474
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:54.299
Yes, yeah, which is adorable.

475
00:31:54.299 --> 00:31:55.799
Which seems to be a running joke now.

476
00:31:55.859 --> 00:31:56.640
Yeah.

477
00:31:56.700 --> 00:32:06.119
Yeah, and so we're getting this stuff about cloaked ships that ships can be invisible and the kids who've just watched this don't know that, but that it's possible but illegal.

478
00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:07.019
Oh, here we go.

479
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:13.740
So here is our grown-ups, and the kids have are now hanging from the ceiling.

480
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:18.839
And there's some very loud dialogue from the kids, which then they make, they hang a lantern on, don't they?

481
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:20.880
Where, where, where...

482
00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:22.500
Oh, someone goes, will you please be cool?

483
00:32:24.059 --> 00:32:25.980
Are we trying to be captured?

484
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:28.619
Like, do we really want to be noticed?

485
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:30.000
I love as well.

486
00:32:30.059 --> 00:32:37.559
They're doing that thing that they do used to do in 90s trek is like, you know, when the plot requires it, the regulars behave in a suspicious way.

487
00:32:37.619 --> 00:32:44.039
So Janeway just came in sort of sinister lighting and went, wow, well, gentlemen, what is going on here?

488
00:32:44.099 --> 00:32:44.819
you know?

489
00:32:44.819 --> 00:32:49.799
So for a 2nd, we're supposed to think, well, what are they up to, these adults, you know?

490
00:32:49.859 --> 00:32:52.319
What evil deeds are occurring here?

491
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:53.940
But no, it turns out.

492
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:57.359
It turns out Chakotay's the prize all along.

493
00:32:57.420 --> 00:32:58.140
Yeah.

494
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.059
So it's an illegally cloaked ship.

495
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:01.799
So that is also a thing.

496
00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:02.940
You know, they're doing something wrong.

497
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:05.759
This is so adorable with them hanging from the ceiling.

498
00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:08.940
I don't know what happened to 0's legs, but maybe they just retract.

499
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:13.920
I am just utterly entranced by the light inside 0's ball.

500
00:33:13.980 --> 00:33:16.440
Like, I just, I just watched that light.

501
00:33:16.500 --> 00:33:19.859
I could put that on YouTube and just sit there watching it on my TV.

502
00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:21.900
Oh, oh no.

503
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.000
Hank, can I ask about Murph?

504
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:26.220
Because a bit of him just dripped down there from the ceiling.

505
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:28.140
So it's not like Odo, is it?

506
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:30.180
No, I don't think so.

507
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.019
That was like gloop, wasn't he just sort of coughing up goop?

508
00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:35.339
Because he's kind of revolting?

509
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:38.940
What do you think of Janeway's sort of sexy streak of gray, you know?

510
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:40.019
Yeah, it's awesome.

511
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:40.920
He's an very nice.

512
00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:56.400
And it was used to differentiate her because originally she has sort of Janeway season one hair, sort of like Voyager season one hair is what hologram Janeway has, you know, and then she has sort of season 7 hair, but with a streak of extra gray just to let us know that 10 years have passed or whatever.

513
00:33:56.460 --> 00:34:00.119
I love the listening to Janeway talking about prodigy.

514
00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:09.539
Sorry, Kate Mulgrew in conventions, because she's there on the stage and she's going, you know, they asked me to be on this kid show, Star Trek's kids show, and I went, what's this?

515
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.780
No, I was doing, you know, sophisticated science fiction in the 90s.

516
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:17.940
I know, I'm playing, you know, terrifying punk lesbians now in prisons.

517
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:19.920
You know, I can't be in a kitchen.

518
00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:24.360
And then the scripts came through and I said immediately, of course, I'll do this.

519
00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:26.099
She was blown away.

520
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:28.619
She was blown away by the writing and she said she really wanted to do it.

521
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:40.079
And then she goes on to say about how vital it is to get kids young into space exploration and science and things like that.

522
00:34:40.139 --> 00:34:43.500
Like, Mulgrew never just gives a facetious answer to anything.

523
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:44.820
It's always very thoughtful.

524
00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:49.860
And and I think that that's, you know, that that's what's happening here, isn't it?

525
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:56.940
Because it isn't just space, you know, it's the ethic of Star Trek that's introduced here too, which is pretty great.

526
00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:58.320
It is pretty great.

527
00:34:58.380 --> 00:35:01.739
And the world and the ridiculousness of the world, which is kind of awesome as well.

528
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:03.659
There is one weird thing.

529
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:04.559
Did you notice?

530
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:15.659
At the end of, um, at the end of the episode, I don't know if it did it on yours, it goes to black, like, there's a dramatic cut, and then the title's cut in.

531
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:16.860
Yeah, yeah.

532
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:18.659
As if it's kind of chopped up oddly.

533
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:29.340
I thought that was on too, and I, and it happens in the middle there, and I wondered whether that, because this was a full length, like a 50 minute episode, that it was a result of that.

534
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:31.380
But then it happens every episode.

535
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.179
So I don't kind of know what's happening.

536
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:35.099
All right.

537
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:36.300
So what do you think?

538
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:40.440
Have we got any closing remarks before we launch into episode two?

539
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:54.179
Yeah, I think my last closing remark of many positive closing remarks, I sort of went into this recording telling you my powder was dry because I just wanted to be full of praise throughout the entire episode because I really liked it.

540
00:35:54.179 --> 00:36:05.820
Um, is, I think, uh, like series one, starting series 2 as a 50 minute 2 parter, is another statement as well of them saying we're not just doing these little sort of vignette episodes.

541
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.880
We're telling proper Star Trek stories, you know?

542
00:36:08.940 --> 00:36:17.159
And actually looking ahead at the season and all those 2 partters in there, if this is how the show's going out, then they're going out telling sort of big stories.

543
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:18.179
I like that a lot.

544
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:19.559
Yeah, it's funny.

545
00:36:19.619 --> 00:36:22.559
We don't know whether this is how they're going out, do we?

546
00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:29.039
because it's always possible that this goes well enough on Netflix for them to want another series.

547
00:36:29.099 --> 00:36:31.920
And if they do have another series, that's 60 episodes.

548
00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:35.699
That's more than Star Trek discovery reached.

549
00:36:35.820 --> 00:36:38.519
Well, 40 is more than Picard.

550
00:36:38.579 --> 00:36:40.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

551
00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:42.119
So it's still a substantial amount.

552
00:36:42.179 --> 00:36:52.199
And I haven't seen the end and I don't want to be spoiled particularly, but I have heard that it's a good ending and that it could serve as an ending to the whole show or it could go on from there.

553
00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:53.940
It could serve either way.

554
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:59.400
So we won't feel robbed if we don't get another series except it would be lovely to have another series.

555
00:36:59.579 --> 00:37:15.059
What they've proven here is if is that is the ending, and it's satisfying great, but they can retool this show so they can pick it up again for series 3, just like they've done here for series 2, which is completely different from one and then get going again.

556
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:15.659
Yeah.

557
00:37:15.659 --> 00:37:16.079
Yeah.

558
00:37:16.139 --> 00:37:17.639
And this also seems to be designed.

559
00:37:17.699 --> 00:37:26.460
This season seems to be designed in two, 10 episode blocks with a finale at the end the way that the original series came out as like 2 series.

560
00:37:26.699 --> 00:37:33.239
And they are quite different from one another, those 2 series. you know, they have quite different premises and things.

561
00:37:33.300 --> 00:37:35.039
We're just like to ask.

562
00:37:35.099 --> 00:37:37.559
So if they are going to lean into Voyager quite a bit.

563
00:37:37.619 --> 00:37:40.079
And can we have a few of the old favourites back, please?

564
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:43.860
Chaotica, Cesca, you know, some of the best people.

565
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.980
I've seen a triple episode ahead.

566
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:49.739
We never got our voyage or triple episodes, so, you know.

567
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:50.460
That's true.

568
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:53.460
But someone ring Ethan Phillips's people, please.

569
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:54.239
All right.

570
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.340
We still in the Delta Quadrant with that family.

571
00:37:56.460 --> 00:37:58.980
Oh, well, they can get to the Delta Quadrant.

572
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:00.420
They got slipstream drive.

573
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.039
Oh, sorry.

574
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:05.639
No, we've got to go and rescue Chakotay first.

575
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:13.860
All right, so we have to rescue Chakotay and to that end, I think it's probably time for us to do part two. do you think?

576
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:15.059
Yeah, lovely.

577
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:21.059
If they do rescue Chikose and they do bring in seven, please can they give her the line, I can't believe I ever went there.

578
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:26.579
Yeah, no, that was another upsetting outbreak of interest.

579
00:38:26.579 --> 00:38:26.880
Yeah.

580
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:28.079
Series 7 avoid.

581
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:28.739
Yeah, exactly.

582
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:29.820
All right.

583
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:30.900
Okay.

584
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:32.280
I'm going to count us in.

585
00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:38.340
Five, four, three, two, one and we're off.

586
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:41.460
Da-da-da.

587
00:38:41.460 --> 00:38:44.940
And that weird...

588
00:38:45.059 --> 00:38:49.679
So they animated slightly differently for each Star Trek series, apparently.

589
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.079
So that's exciting.

590
00:38:53.579 --> 00:38:55.380
Here we go then.

591
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:57.119
We've got all of our mysteries set up.

592
00:38:57.179 --> 00:38:59.460
Why is there a cloaked ship?

593
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:01.199
What's it got to do with the wormhole?

594
00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:02.760
What's Janeway hiding?

595
00:39:02.820 --> 00:39:04.559
Why might the mission be cancelled?

596
00:39:04.619 --> 00:39:06.719
I mean, a lot to tie up here.

597
00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:13.679
There is, and it turns out the person who might cancel the mission is Admiral Jellicoe.

598
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:15.119
Isn't that awesome?

599
00:39:15.179 --> 00:39:18.599
I'm so glad that they find a way, counsellor.

600
00:39:18.659 --> 00:39:21.360
I prefer formal dress on the bridge, all right?

601
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:25.500
Ever since that line, I've been in love with that character.

602
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.360
He's, um, you know, had such an impact and it's really great.

603
00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:32.460
This is a bit funny bad. all the time.

604
00:39:32.579 --> 00:39:34.139
It was so refreshing.

605
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:35.400
It's just like Pulaski.

606
00:39:35.460 --> 00:39:38.400
It was so refreshing to have an arsehole, an enterprise for just a little bit.

607
00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:39.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

608
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:46.380
Do you know, when Riker goes, you know, you really need to make more of an effort with the crew. you know, get to know them a bit more, you know, he goes, yeah, all right.

609
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:47.519
He goes you deal with that for me.

610
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:54.659
We actually get a little bit of that in Discovery Series 5 as well with rain.

611
00:39:54.780 --> 00:39:57.719
What was great was Ronald D Moore refused to dial back on it.

612
00:39:57.780 --> 00:40:04.559
So even when they're all starting to work together in the 2nd episode of Chain of Command with Jellico, he's still on arsehole by the end of it.

613
00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:05.340
Yeah.

614
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:06.539
I think it's really good.

615
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:08.519
He's not horrible to people, really.

616
00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:14.460
He just doesn't want to be anyone for his friends. as relaxed as Captain Picard was and I never thought I'd say those words.

617
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:15.300
No, no.

618
00:40:15.300 --> 00:40:17.039
It's pretty great, isn't it?

619
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:18.300
Captain Picard.

620
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:22.800
If he had a look at Captain Pike and how he runs things, he did absolutely...

621
00:40:22.860 --> 00:40:23.579
Yeah exactly.

622
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:25.500
Into the breach.

623
00:40:25.500 --> 00:40:27.780
Part two. looking good.

624
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:33.719
Gotta say, we're not seeing it yet, but that wormhole later on looks terrific.

625
00:40:33.780 --> 00:40:35.159
Really good, isn't it?

626
00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:36.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

627
00:40:36.420 --> 00:40:40.260
I love their faces and the prodigy were in, the letters.

628
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:41.099
Yeah, yeah.

629
00:40:41.219 --> 00:40:44.400
Okay, so this is the B plot.

630
00:40:44.460 --> 00:40:47.039
Will you explain all this to me, please?

631
00:40:47.099 --> 00:40:48.599
I'll do my best.

632
00:40:48.659 --> 00:40:50.460
I'll say what I can remember.

633
00:40:51.179 --> 00:41:00.360
When the show opens, she's on Tars Lamora with her father, and that's where the proto star is, and her father's looking for the proto star.

634
00:41:00.420 --> 00:41:15.539
And her father is one of, um, a 100 people who are sent back from Solem from this planet, 50 years into the future, 50 years in the future, they come back in order to find the proto-star.

635
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:24.300
And what they want to do is they want to prevent the Federation from making 1st contact with Solem because it causes a civil war.

636
00:41:24.539 --> 00:41:26.639
Okay, when it does.

637
00:41:26.699 --> 00:41:28.619
That was very succinct. you.

638
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:29.519
Yeah, yeah.

639
00:41:29.579 --> 00:41:40.559
And so she's here now trying to prevent that civil war, and that was mostly what her and Dal were talking about when he was in his quarters, and he was talking to her on the pad.

640
00:41:40.619 --> 00:41:45.179
So her job is to say that the Federation exists. and she's doing it now.

641
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:55.320
She's explaining that she is a Valnakot, but she comes from a federation and is aware of other people.

642
00:41:55.380 --> 00:42:10.920
Now, the thing is, one of the other 100, like one of a 100 people who comes back as well as her father, is this character Asencia, who was disguised as a trill officer on board the Dauntless, which was the ship.

643
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:12.119
Yeah, I remember.

644
00:42:12.179 --> 00:42:13.679
Yeah, I remember her.

645
00:42:13.739 --> 00:42:20.699
And she's played by, um, uh, It's a great voice.

646
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:22.739
It's a very clipped British voice.

647
00:42:22.860 --> 00:42:27.360
Yeah, it's Jamila Jamil from the good place. am I not recognised?

648
00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:28.320
Yeah, yeah.

649
00:42:28.380 --> 00:42:32.280
Very posh English voice, so absolutely.

650
00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:36.119
And she's about to appear now, I think, isn't she?

651
00:42:36.179 --> 00:42:45.659
And, and, um, so she's still trying to prevent 1st contact because she's still on her mission to um, there we go.

652
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.119
So do you think it's just going to run for quite a bit?

653
00:42:48.179 --> 00:42:49.440
There's a plot?

654
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:50.159
I don't know.

655
00:42:50.219 --> 00:42:58.079
It is super important and it's, you know, we've got this wormhole with 50 years distance.

656
00:42:58.139 --> 00:42:58.860
Yeah.

657
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:15.900
Um, uh, and so there's 50 years in the future where Solom's been devastated and we're going to see a hologram of that in a minute, uh, and sometime between now and then is when the Federation makes 1st contact and she and Gwynn's father were trying to prevent it.

658
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.559
Those are not simple ideas for kids to get their heads around, you know?

659
00:43:19.619 --> 00:43:21.179
Yeah, especially the timeline of that.

660
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:22.260
Yeah.

661
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:23.039
Yeah.

662
00:43:23.099 --> 00:43:27.539
I think there's a level of simplicity in the way that it is introduced.

663
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:34.860
Like we understand what Asencia wants and what Gwynn wants and we kind of understand what the stakes are.

664
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.440
And so that's super clear and comprehensible.

665
00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:41.880
So all of the timeline stuff doesn't really matter from sort of scene to scene.

666
00:43:41.940 --> 00:43:47.820
But it took me a little while to remember because it had been a while since I'd watched that 2nd episode.

667
00:43:47.940 --> 00:43:57.179
See, notice that there's a younger version of Asencia here on the planet and that introduces us to the possibility there might be a younger version of her father.

668
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:14.159
So her father travels further back in time than the others, which is why he's older, and he dies at the end of series one, but we reintroduce the character here as the younger version of himself.

669
00:44:14.219 --> 00:44:29.219
What you also get with these scenes is a planet ripped straight from a very expensive Star Wars series because the exteriors and the interiors on this planet are amazingly good.

670
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:34.500
She's literally on the wire now going through all the spires down into sort of the under city.

671
00:44:34.500 --> 00:44:37.260
And it just, it feels very sort of rogue one-ish to me.

672
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:38.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

673
00:44:38.940 --> 00:44:44.400
It's definitely that Star Wars aesthetic that we noticed at the very beginning of series one as well on time.

674
00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:45.840
They're doing this all on computers.

675
00:44:45.900 --> 00:44:47.159
Why wouldn't you do that, you know?

676
00:44:47.219 --> 00:44:56.340
It's hard to reconcile this planet with those old studio landscapes from series one of, although there's elements of that in this.

677
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:59.099
It is just more beautiful, isn't it?

678
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:00.960
And they're expansive.

679
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:06.179
I often point this out, but Nathan Curry has the cityscape behind him on the Zoom screen.

680
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:08.820
That is just an image, isn't it?

681
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:09.480
Just beautiful.

682
00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:13.139
Gorgeous sort of spires sticking up into the air.

683
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:14.579
The lighting.

684
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:17.280
We've moved a long way from those map paintings of Bajor.

685
00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:19.380
Although I love that, yeah.

686
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:20.099
Yeah.

687
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:20.639
Yeah.

688
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:21.300
Yeah.

689
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:25.679
Chakotay is stranded on the other side, Nathan.

690
00:45:29.099 --> 00:45:32.099
They should do the Red Dwarf, Joe. Well, quick.

691
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:34.139
Let's get out of here before they send it back.

692
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:39.900
I mean, he wasn't the most riveting of characters.

693
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:42.119
We do have consensus on that. don't we?

694
00:45:42.179 --> 00:45:50.880
But you remember the one episode where we thought, yeah, resolution. well, was resolutions and the consciousness.

695
00:45:50.940 --> 00:45:53.460
That's the one shot romance that worked.

696
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:55.860
We were trying to think of one the other week, weren't we?

697
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.840
It really does work, doesn't it?

698
00:45:57.900 --> 00:46:00.659
And it's sort of sad.

699
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:06.539
You can see why they reject that and close the book on it, but it is sad.

700
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:11.280
Because they're chemistry in that episode is absolute best.

701
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:20.519
Better than those scenes, you know, we had in Scorpion, where they were, or equinoles, where we were just baffled by Chakotay styles on the whole thing.

702
00:46:20.579 --> 00:46:21.420
Yeah, yeah.

703
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:22.199
Yeah.

704
00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:23.099
No it was really good.

705
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:30.420
So just there we got introduced to this new Vulcan character from Nova Squadron, and she's called Magell.

706
00:46:30.780 --> 00:46:33.360
Uh, so the same as Magella.

707
00:46:33.420 --> 00:46:34.619
Is her surname Barrett?

708
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:39.719
No, she's Magel, but with an apostrophe, obviously, because she's a space person.

709
00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:42.960
And she plays...

710
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:56.039
But in this, they're still using, despite the fact that we're computer generating, and they could do any crazy aliens that they want, and they do a little bit, but they still go with the old designs, the Andorans, the Vulcans, you know.

711
00:46:56.099 --> 00:46:56.639
Yeah.

712
00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:01.679
Well, like you said, this is the only time that the teller rights have been made to work.

713
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:07.380
Well, it's funny because Jankum doesn't look much like any other Telleride.

714
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.239
He looks like a cartoon Telleride.

715
00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:21.480
And I was a little bit surprised to see that he was a Telleride, but Doctor, no, I think his name is, the Jason Alexander character or counsellor, Noom, looks a bit more like a traditional Telleride.

716
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:23.639
What is this thing?

717
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:26.280
Not there, it was beautiful.

718
00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:30.719
There's a globe thing that's coming out warning them not to enter the anomaly.

719
00:47:30.780 --> 00:47:32.639
Of course, it's an anomaly.

720
00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:35.159
Yeah.

721
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.500
Oh, Joe, we should go.

722
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.860
I thought I'd had enough of these anomalies back in the day.

723
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:42.840
But we don't know who that is.

724
00:47:42.900 --> 00:47:48.780
And that weird globe bubble thing appears and starts talking to them and warning them and we don't know who it is.

725
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.780
I'm hoping it to be Chakotay from the future.

726
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.539
Hello, Captain June, maybe.

727
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:55.320
Maybe.

728
00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:59.880
I thought that was great, where he just falls from the ceiling.

729
00:47:59.940 --> 00:48:05.880
And so this is the scene you mentioned before where he gets escorted out and we see the door closed.

730
00:48:05.940 --> 00:48:07.440
The door to the bridge closes.

731
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:08.579
Away with you.

732
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:09.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

733
00:48:09.780 --> 00:48:11.940
But it closes, but yes, there you go.

734
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:13.380
And so he's locked out.

735
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:13.980
Yeah.

736
00:48:15.300 --> 00:48:18.119
So now he knows, he knows.

737
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:20.159
Well, they all know, and they summing us up.

738
00:48:20.579 --> 00:48:22.019
Yeah.

739
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:23.099
Yeah.

740
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:26.699
But it was like Dal letting her know that we know something.

741
00:48:26.820 --> 00:48:36.840
Has she taken them to Voyager 4, a specific reason, or is it literally what they said, that it's just a learning experience before going to the academy?

742
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:38.460
Because I feel like there's something more there.

743
00:48:38.579 --> 00:48:41.820
Oh, no, no, I think it is a definite reason.

744
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:45.719
We do have a conversation here, but I'm not entirely sure what the reason is yet.

745
00:48:45.780 --> 00:48:50.460
I don't think, but they do, you know, like, because they are involved.

746
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:57.900
Um, and because Chakotay, whom they're trying to rescue is kind of responsible for them being here too.

747
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.679
I just love the aesthetic down on this planet.

748
00:49:01.739 --> 00:49:02.820
It's beautiful, isn't it?

749
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:07.500
Yeah, these sort of dingy streets, but it's got an epic sort of scale to it.

750
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:14.159
I do remember when, you know, DS9 was doing the streets of Cardassia, they just had a sort of the front of a warehouse and a light.

751
00:49:14.219 --> 00:49:14.699
That was it.

752
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:16.139
Okay, yeah.

753
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:17.880
So here's her father.

754
00:49:20.099 --> 00:49:22.440
So this is her father.

755
00:49:23.579 --> 00:49:26.099
After or before?

756
00:49:26.099 --> 00:49:30.119
Before he goes into the future and becomes a diviner.

757
00:49:30.179 --> 00:49:44.519
No, so he look at bro and become he'll so he'll he will eventually, like in the future, 50 years into the future or whatever, he'll go back in time in order to prevent 1st contact.

758
00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:50.579
So 50 years into the future, Solum is devastated by a civil war course by 1st contact with the federation.

759
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:53.579
He's one of the 100 people who goes back in time.

760
00:49:53.639 --> 00:50:01.800
He goes further back in time than Asencia, uh, and he goes back in time to Tars Lamora, which is where the show starts.

761
00:50:01.860 --> 00:50:06.539
So this is way before that's all happened before he's gone back in Taiwan. when he's just a nice fella.

762
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:07.500
He's just a person.

763
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:08.820
And it's really funny, actually.

764
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:13.079
There's a moment Gwen can't properly say his name.

765
00:50:13.139 --> 00:50:21.360
She's never said his name allowed before, and she hesitates as she says it, and he's just a normal person, and it turns out he's a nice person.

766
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:41.400
Like, he's a nice person, and he's kind of immediately supportive of her as his daughter, whereas, of course, she was just the progeny, when the show 1st began, and something that the father owned and controlled, but didn't really kind of love in any way.

767
00:50:41.460 --> 00:50:43.500
Now, this is all very intriguing.

768
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:51.480
Chakotay in the future, the last known footage of Commander Chakotay on this dangerous mission where his 1st officer gets killed.

769
00:50:52.139 --> 00:50:54.239
What the hell was that about?

770
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:56.820
Oh, okay.

771
00:50:56.820 --> 00:50:57.059
Yeah.

772
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:58.860
Whoa, fell in battle. we, there he goes.

773
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:02.699
So that's a Drake. who is the 1st officer.

774
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:04.559
He's not there.

775
00:51:04.619 --> 00:51:05.820
Kotai has done some.

776
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.059
He's got very slim compared to...

777
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:09.900
He's very trim.

778
00:51:10.019 --> 00:51:12.539
Yeah, I think he's dyeing his hair again too.

779
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:15.539
Tell Catherine.

780
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:16.139
I'm sorry.

781
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.139
But I'm doing this for you.

782
00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:21.119
Now, is he talking to Janeway there?

783
00:51:21.179 --> 00:51:22.320
Who's he talking to?

784
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:26.820
Oh, no, he's just recording a recording, isn't he?

785
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:28.860
Yeah, but he's addressing somebody.

786
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:30.059
I'm doing this for you.

787
00:51:30.300 --> 00:51:33.179
Oh yeah, no, he's saying tell Janeway.

788
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:36.539
I'm doing this for you. doesn't so is it Janeway?

789
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.059
Are they going to have a romance part again of the season?

790
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:40.619
No, but look.

791
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:42.539
Look, so this is what we discover.

792
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:52.079
So he launches the proto star through that wormhole so it ends up in the past and it goes to Tarsamora.

793
00:51:52.139 --> 00:51:56.940
And so, and that's where it buries itself and that's where they find it.

794
00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:02.460
So Chakotay is the one who's responsible for them being able to escape from from there.

795
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:15.420
And so if they change anything to do a Chakotay's mission, which, because they're there to extract him, then none of them would have met, and the series would not exist, and they wouldn't be in the academy now, et cetera, et cetera.

796
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:17.940
So there's huge stakes in both storylines, then.

797
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:18.960
Yeah that's right.

798
00:52:19.019 --> 00:52:23.039
And, um, that I will spoil it in one way.

799
00:52:23.099 --> 00:52:30.420
There is a change to the timeline or what happens, but it doesn't affect our present sort of as far as I can tell.

800
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:33.239
Things seem to continue initially the same way.

801
00:52:33.300 --> 00:52:35.219
But very strange.

802
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:49.440
And I keep seeing these, like as I was looking some stuff up in preparation for this, and all of the memory alpha articles, say, original timeline, change timeline, and I was trying to avoid reading them because I didn't want to be spoiled.

803
00:52:49.980 --> 00:52:53.820
Most people I've never had any tiny bit of sex, have they?

804
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:56.280
No, we grateful to them.

805
00:52:56.340 --> 00:52:59.579
I mean, we can have a lot of sex.

806
00:52:59.579 --> 00:53:01.559
Instead of writing those articles.

807
00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:03.780
We don't have to write the articles.

808
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:07.559
We can just talk bollocks for an hour a week and then get on with the rest of our lives.

809
00:53:08.099 --> 00:53:12.059
There would be, that would be an interesting thing for them to do, though.

810
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:13.860
Imagine they did change it.

811
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:19.860
And then you could have like the Road Not Taken episode where we go back to series one and show, this is what happened.

812
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:23.820
And I don't know, kill them all off in spectacular ways or something like that.

813
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:25.679
They're going to do that in a kid's show.

814
00:53:25.739 --> 00:53:27.420
Just for the one off episode, you know?

815
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:28.980
That's not fun to watch.

816
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:30.000
Why is that?

817
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:30.960
Who wants to kill?

818
00:53:31.019 --> 00:53:31.739
Do they kill people in this show?

819
00:53:34.860 --> 00:53:35.340
Probably.

820
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:36.719
I can't really remember.

821
00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:38.219
I can't think of that.

822
00:53:38.219 --> 00:53:38.940
Let's keep an eye.

823
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:39.840
Let's keep an eye out.

824
00:53:39.900 --> 00:53:40.320
Yeah, okay.

825
00:53:40.380 --> 00:53:40.980
Okay.

826
00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:42.119
Okay.

827
00:53:42.179 --> 00:53:43.079
Well, but I do like that.

828
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.179
I like the fact that there are stakes in both timelines.

829
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:50.400
So this planet is going to be roasted if she doesn't do what she's trying to do.

830
00:53:50.460 --> 00:53:54.599
And uh, they never will have met if they...

831
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:55.380
The show doesn't start.

832
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:55.860
Yeah.

833
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:59.219
Oh, well, then let's just leave Chakotay there then and not worry about it.

834
00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:04.500
He's not going to bring anything too interesting to the series, is he?

835
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:05.340
No.

836
00:54:05.340 --> 00:54:08.159
He'll be sitting in that commanders chair.

837
00:54:08.219 --> 00:54:09.119
Is he captain now?

838
00:54:09.179 --> 00:54:10.440
Yes, yeah.

839
00:54:10.500 --> 00:54:11.519
Captain Chakotay.

840
00:54:11.579 --> 00:54:15.000
He'll be alongside Janeway by the end of the season, I promise you.

841
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:16.019
Do you think?

842
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:19.800
Yeah, this seems like a happy end of sort of a show to me then.

843
00:54:19.860 --> 00:54:24.059
They're not going to kick him out in favour of stupid...

844
00:54:24.059 --> 00:54:24.840
What's his face?

845
00:54:24.900 --> 00:54:26.639
Robert Beltran.

846
00:54:26.699 --> 00:54:27.659
Oh, no.

847
00:54:27.659 --> 00:54:38.639
We do lots of complaints about Star Trek for during the writing, and now I'll see him being interviewed on the 7th rule, starring Sirok Lofton, saying, oh, how wonderful to be back in Star Trek.

848
00:54:38.699 --> 00:54:39.300
Oh, yeah.

849
00:54:39.420 --> 00:54:42.480
Did the work dry up after a weird complaint?

850
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:48.000
I think it is wonderful that they're back in Star Trek.

851
00:54:48.059 --> 00:54:55.860
You know, you do want Star Trek to wander off and do its own thing, and obviously that's what discovery was for, and that's how it all started.

852
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:59.400
They even brought back Robert Duncan McNeil, didn't they?

853
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:01.199
in an episode.

854
00:55:01.260 --> 00:55:06.360
So he's been back twice in lower decks.

855
00:55:06.420 --> 00:55:18.000
Once in an episode called We'll Always Have Tom Paris, and then in the most recent series where he's Nick Lucano and plays the big bad.

856
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:20.159
So he...

857
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:25.320
I'll tell him, you think there's justice in Kurtzman Trek when...

858
00:55:25.380 --> 00:55:28.320
And the worst robbers had 2 appearances. yeah that's right.

859
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:30.780
Justice for TS9.

860
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:32.579
I'm going to start waving the blackards now.

861
00:55:34.019 --> 00:55:35.940
What's happening here now?

862
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:39.000
He's sort of slightly sexier now too.

863
00:55:39.059 --> 00:55:40.199
Look at his outfit.

864
00:55:40.260 --> 00:55:46.800
Like when you see him in sort of long shot, I mean, he still looks like a sort of weird kind of guy, but he's got he's got a look.

865
00:55:46.860 --> 00:55:51.539
He was he was definitely sort of terrifying old guy in series one.

866
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:53.760
But now he's kind of a little bit younger.

867
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:54.719
It's 50 years in the future.

868
00:55:54.780 --> 00:55:55.619
Yeah, that's true.

869
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:56.519
That's true.

870
00:55:56.579 --> 00:55:58.139
I look pretty hot, you know?

871
00:55:58.199 --> 00:55:59.400
30 years ago.

872
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:05.400
What's going on now?

873
00:56:05.460 --> 00:56:08.159
I have no clue what's occurring in this subplot.

874
00:56:08.219 --> 00:56:08.940
There's a robot.

875
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:18.000
Yeah, so that's a robot and of course that looks like the scary robot from series one who's still in the opening credits, but he's just the librarian.

876
00:56:18.059 --> 00:56:20.519
Um, so, yes.

877
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:25.139
I would absolutely return all my books if that was the library.

878
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:34.739
So they're consulting this to try and work out how she can best convince the people of Solemn to listen to her rather than listening to a senseia.

879
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:41.280
And so that's what putting her heirloom into this globe thing is.

880
00:56:41.340 --> 00:56:43.019
And we learn about...

881
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:46.559
Imagine how rich or what it would have been if they had done stuff like this.

882
00:56:46.619 --> 00:56:47.340
You know?

883
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:53.820
Like we said, have a series of episodes, have subplots going on on different worlds?

884
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:56.340
I know, I know they were never going to do that.

885
00:56:56.820 --> 00:56:58.739
It would have been great.

886
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:06.179
But I think, you know, like we're lucky that we live in an age where TV now can do that, you know, I think.

887
00:57:06.300 --> 00:57:13.679
So weird that both Star Trek and Doctor Who have had this thing where people that loved it then are making TV now.

888
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:20.699
And the TV that they're making is just full of kisses to the past and the stuff they love then.

889
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:24.539
Yeah, but they're making it in sort of a modern mode.

890
00:57:24.659 --> 00:57:28.980
So this serialised thing, which is so different from here we go.

891
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:39.480
I suppose the big question is, is will the people what's in Kurtzman Trek now, you know, the kids grow up to make television and go, well, we're going to do loads of references to prodigy?

892
00:57:39.539 --> 00:57:40.500
Lower decks?

893
00:57:40.739 --> 00:57:42.599
That'd be something.

894
00:57:46.320 --> 00:58:01.800
Do you think, can I ask you a question about Kursman Trek in general, do you think this will be as, and once the sort of the dust settles, will this be as remembered as original Trek and 90s Trek?

895
00:58:01.860 --> 00:58:03.659
Will it be as important?

896
00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:10.739
Don't know because TV is so different and the audience is so fragmented.

897
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:23.340
You know, that when original Star Trek comes out, there's how many TV networks, like 4 or something, I didn't even know about the history of American TV, it's probably less than that actually.

898
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:26.519
It's, um...

899
00:58:26.579 --> 00:58:28.440
There's such a flood of episodes, isn't it?

900
00:58:28.500 --> 00:58:34.440
There's so much of it that it absolutely made its impact just just for how prolific it was.

901
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:41.340
But I think Star Trek the Next Generation was a big deal because Star Trek had been a big deal and it was still successful films.

902
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:46.019
Remember that, you know, the 1st 4 films come out before Next Gen starts.

903
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:46.980
I think.

904
00:58:48.059 --> 00:58:55.860
I don't want to dismiss everything else, but I think Strange New Worlds is the thing that will stand out from Possibly.

905
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:59.039
That's the one where people will go, well, yeah, you remember Curtis when Trek?

906
00:58:59.099 --> 00:59:01.019
Oh, yeah, Strange New Worlds, wasn't that?

907
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:04.619
It's definitely the one with the broadest appeal, I think, in design to be that.

908
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:05.820
Yeah, yeah.

909
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:07.920
It's designed to be the flagship, I think.

910
00:59:07.980 --> 00:59:10.920
And it lets everything else free to be a little bit more weird.

911
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:15.659
It's almost like they had to do a little bit of, sorry, I realise we're not talking about the plot.

912
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:23.760
They had to do a little bit of discovery, um, to figure out how to do it, and then they did that strange new world sort of knockoff in series 2 of discovering it.

913
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:24.059
Right.

914
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:25.260
Now we know what we've got to do.

915
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:25.860
We could do that.

916
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:26.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

917
00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:30.000
And meanwhile, back on prodigy.

918
00:59:30.059 --> 00:59:38.940
So we're back in Shuttle Bay 3 or whatever, but we're trying to get away in the infinity.

919
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:42.059
So they've decided, I think, that they want to go, is that right?

920
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:45.059
Oh, no, no.

921
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:59.159
Um, they, they learned about the Infinity and then Dal was just talking uh, in such a way that he got overheard about it, and so Migel now knows about it, and she wants to stop them.

922
00:59:59.219 --> 01:00:04.980
Dal is not trying to fly the ship into the wormhole.

923
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:10.920
He's just trying to move it out of the way so that Migel and the Nova Squadron don't catch them in it.

924
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:13.500
But here they are.

925
01:00:13.739 --> 01:00:15.780
I love all of this.

926
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:17.820
Just nicking the share, taking it out.

927
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:19.980
It sucked into the wormhole.

928
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:27.659
You know, and what I love as well is that there's no resolution here, you'd think we'd have an opening 2 parter, and that will be a contained story.

929
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:28.320
Absolutely.

930
01:00:28.380 --> 01:00:29.219
No, no, it's not.

931
01:00:29.219 --> 01:00:31.679
You're kicking into episode 3 and this is still running.

932
01:00:31.739 --> 01:00:34.559
And episode 3 is about something different.

933
01:00:34.619 --> 01:00:38.280
It's said in a different place, you know, like it's still part of this ongoing plot.

934
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.440
Look at birth punching.

935
01:00:40.500 --> 01:00:42.659
Look at punching the guy in the head.

936
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:44.639
They're both grabbing Zero's arms.

937
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:49.139
And he's about to be torn into...

938
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.480
Oh, she does a...

939
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:52.920
That's a falcon nerve pinch.

940
01:00:52.980 --> 01:00:58.619
Yeah, and then Jane compresses the go button with his face before he falls on the ground unconscious.

941
01:00:58.619 --> 01:01:01.980
And I'm pleased here that they fall out the door.

942
01:01:01.980 --> 01:01:06.480
So you get Rocktock was still on Voyager and you get the Vulcan character on the shuttle.

943
01:01:06.539 --> 01:01:11.159
So we're shaking up who our regulars are because they're now going through the wormhole.

944
01:01:11.219 --> 01:01:11.880
Yes.

945
01:01:11.940 --> 01:01:19.380
And I was a little bit concerned and I wondered whether it was because Riley wasn't able to do the whole season or whatever.

946
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:20.699
Do you know what I mean?

947
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:21.780
Because I thought...

948
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:23.940
I think they're just, no, they're just dividing the story.

949
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:27.840
But for a moment I was a little bit worried because I love rock and I...

950
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.539
What it means now is we've got 3 lots of stories going on.

951
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:37.019
Inside the wormhole with that bunch, on Voyager, with rock talk, and back on the planet with Lady U's name, I've forgotten again.

952
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:38.699
Gwyn. you.

953
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:41.039
I don't wash enough of this, all right?

954
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:44.639
Look at that wormhole wowsers.

955
01:01:47.699 --> 01:01:50.820
Oh, they got that animation on Janeway's shock's face perfect.

956
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:53.639
Absolute Mulberry, that was. didn't they?

957
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:56.280
Just a slight raise of the eyebrow.

958
01:01:56.340 --> 01:01:58.320
And so this is where it ends.

959
01:01:58.380 --> 01:02:02.940
It ends with them going into the wormhole, which is actually a great ending, isn't it?

960
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:05.460
I think it's like what the hell is going to happen now.

961
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:08.159
Looks beautiful, just...

962
01:02:08.219 --> 01:02:13.679
I knew that's how music was coming and I was going to end and I was going, no, come on, come on, come on.

963
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:18.119
Really great.

964
01:02:19.139 --> 01:02:22.860
Really engaging, really captured my interest.

965
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:25.440
I still really like all the characters.

966
01:02:25.500 --> 01:02:31.320
I like the new setting on Voyager and I'm really intrigued to see where it's going.

967
01:02:31.380 --> 01:02:33.480
Yeah, it is a bit exciting, isn't it?

968
01:02:33.539 --> 01:02:34.139
I am too.

969
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:38.639
Again, I'm going to say it on the Kurtzman trick shows.

970
01:02:38.699 --> 01:02:43.199
It's the animated ones that are holding my interest.

971
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:43.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

972
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:44.519
They're awesome.

973
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:51.900
And you know, I'm not saying I've got the intellect of a child, although some people could probably say that.

974
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:55.139
But this just seems perfect for me.

975
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:58.619
It's pitched at a level that totally sucked me in.

976
01:02:58.679 --> 01:02:59.579
Oh, no, me too.

977
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:00.119
Me too.

978
01:03:00.179 --> 01:03:03.960
I think that's, you know, there's something there's a straightforwardness about it.

979
01:03:04.019 --> 01:03:11.219
The story is still sort of complex or the background is complex or whatever, but it can't get too up its own backside.

980
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:12.239
Do you know what I mean?

981
01:03:12.300 --> 01:03:17.820
Because it still needs to be sort of accessible and comprehensible to the target audience.

982
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:19.619
I just think it's really fun and great.

983
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:34.920
And I think the genius of Kurtzman Trek, the thing that makes it better than Berman Trek in a way, is that what Berman Trek does is just sort of iterations of the same show in a slightly different environment, whereas each of the Kurtzman shows is vastly different.

984
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:48.900
You know, perhaps the 2 most similar ones are Discovery and Strange New Worlds, and they're not particularly similar and everything else is really wild and like completely different genres like kids show and comedy cartoon.

985
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:53.340
And I think that was absolutely a genius approach, and there should be more of that.

986
01:03:53.400 --> 01:04:19.260
I think, um, this is the last time I'm going to directly talk to the untitled Star Trek project audience, but you people out there, um, if you have resisted Star Trek prodigy, and you fancy watching a Voyager episode, which Kelsa Breeze is visually stunning, has likeable characters in it, great dialogue, and, you know, running plots that are really interesting and engaging.

987
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:20.639
Then check out.

988
01:04:21.300 --> 01:04:22.260
Oh god, what was it called?

989
01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:24.420
Into the Breach part one and two.

990
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:28.800
Because I think you might just find yourselves quite surprised at what you watch.

991
01:04:28.860 --> 01:04:30.059
Yeah.

992
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:31.139
I think so too.

993
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:44.159
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to work out what we're doing next.

994
01:04:44.219 --> 01:04:53.099
It was me who chose these episodes of Star Trek Prodigy, and so that means it's your turn now, Joe, what series are we picking?

995
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:56.880
I am going to take us back to 90s trek again.

996
01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:00.059
There's tons of it still to watch.

997
01:05:00.300 --> 01:05:03.239
But I'm going to put all 4 series in.

998
01:05:03.300 --> 01:05:09.420
Next Generation, Dick Space 9, Voyager, and Enterprise to see what tasty selections we have.

999
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:11.039
Okay.

1000
01:05:11.099 --> 01:05:12.719
I'm hoping for Enterprise.

1001
01:05:12.780 --> 01:05:13.559
Let's see how we go.

1002
01:05:13.619 --> 01:05:15.119
Be disappointed then.

1003
01:05:15.179 --> 01:05:21.360
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is, oh God, what is it with us in season seven?

1004
01:05:21.420 --> 01:05:22.019
Yeah.

1005
01:05:22.019 --> 01:05:25.199
Season 7 episode 19?

1006
01:05:25.260 --> 01:05:26.699
Q2?

1007
01:05:27.179 --> 01:05:30.239
Uh, I don't know what one.

1008
01:05:30.300 --> 01:05:38.699
That's the one with John DeLars's son in it who comes onto the ship to sort of seduce Echeb to the dark.

1009
01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:39.300
Oh my god.

1010
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:43.019
At one point he turns engineering into a nightclub.

1011
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:45.659
He removed 7 of 9 clothes.

1012
01:05:45.659 --> 01:05:50.099
And rather wonderfully, she just goes, what do you want me to do?

1013
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:52.260
especially to be embarrassed by this.

1014
01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:54.539
Look at me.

1015
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:56.579
I'm Jerry Ryan and Jerry Ryan.

1016
01:05:57.059 --> 01:05:59.280
Let's not watch that one.

1017
01:05:59.340 --> 01:06:05.039
We've done so much We'll have, we'll literally finish Voyager season 7 and then have to watch the rest.

1018
01:06:05.099 --> 01:06:06.000
Yeah.

1019
01:06:06.059 --> 01:06:07.619
It'll be our 1st full season.

1020
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:12.480
Obviously, the randomisers feeling kind by offering me skin of evil from the next generation.

1021
01:06:12.539 --> 01:06:14.820
We will be covered.

1022
01:06:14.940 --> 01:06:17.099
Oh, another queue episode.

1023
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:22.199
Your random star for the next generation episode is, oh, yes, please can we do this?

1024
01:06:22.260 --> 01:06:24.179
Season three.

1025
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:25.559
Episode 13.

1026
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:30.960
Dejar Q. It's the one where he has all of his powers taken off him.

1027
01:06:31.019 --> 01:06:33.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1028
01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:33.960
That sounds great.

1029
01:06:34.019 --> 01:06:36.539
It's our proper sitcom Next Generation episode.

1030
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:39.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1031
01:06:39.059 --> 01:06:40.380
Yeah, properly hiked.

1032
01:06:40.380 --> 01:06:42.179
Do you ever he turns up on the bridge completely naked?

1033
01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:44.039
Naked. on the floor.

1034
01:06:44.099 --> 01:06:51.360
Well, so the thing is that they were trying to shoot it and he had a modesty pouch on and because it's John DeLancey.

1035
01:06:51.420 --> 01:06:54.000
They couldn't make it work and he said, oh, no, fuck it.

1036
01:06:54.059 --> 01:06:55.559
And he just took it off and they didn't do it.

1037
01:06:56.760 --> 01:07:02.039
I think he'd be allowed to do that now, and rightly so, perhaps.

1038
01:07:02.099 --> 01:07:04.739
But he certainly did it then.

1039
01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:13.320
I just remember there's this sort of gaseous entity. that is winding up at the start of the episode. and then when his powers are gone, he keeps tormenting him.

1040
01:07:13.739 --> 01:07:15.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1041
01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:17.340
A guy that takes her opportunity.

1042
01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:18.900
Stabs him with a fork.

1043
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:23.699
I think he tries to seduce Beverly Crusher as well.

1044
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:29.400
It's just, it's crazy antics, but at a point where they figured out how to do it, you know?

1045
01:07:29.460 --> 01:07:30.239
Yeah.

1046
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:31.440
Oh, how far?

1047
01:07:31.500 --> 01:07:32.400
Oh, let's see if it lands.

1048
01:07:32.460 --> 01:07:33.179
That would be really cool.

1049
01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:36.000
Oh, yeah, proper comedy lands by series three.

1050
01:07:36.059 --> 01:07:39.599
Even the end, dude, he's on the bridge like a karanka.

1051
01:07:39.659 --> 01:07:40.980
He's got his Mexican band.

1052
01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:45.059
Let's do it Alright, brilliant.

1053
01:07:54.119 --> 01:08:04.199
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1054
01:08:04.260 --> 01:08:09.780
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1055
01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:15.599
This episode was recorded on the 23rd of July 2024 and released on the 2nd of August.

1056
01:08:15.659 --> 01:08:42.840
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, Deja Q. Okay, we should say something now, but it's hilarious.

1057
01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:46.260
Well, I should, you can do that.

1058
01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:47.520
I should leave you to do that.

1059
01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:48.720
You're a funny one, video.

1060
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:51.899
Something hilarious.

1061
01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:53.579
Okay. something hilarious.

1062
01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:56.100
Well, because they're going to say something for the people.

1063
01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:58.500
The last...

1064
01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:01.859
They like to have an insight into our relationship.

1065
01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:04.979
Yeah, this is a bit where we're off.

1066
01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:07.680
I should start taking my clothes off now then, really, shouldn't I?

1067
01:09:07.739 --> 01:09:09.539
Well, it's audio.

1068
01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:12.779
Oh, yeah, but that's not for their benefit is for yours.

1069
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:13.739
Noisily.

1070
01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:15.239
I'm trying to tell them.

1071
01:09:15.300 --> 01:09:16.619
Well, we normally go out to.

1072
01:09:18.539 --> 01:09:21.180
Oh, no, we're about to watch a kids show.

1073
01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:22.619
I should start on, anyway.

1074
01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:24.420
I'm wearing a star junk shirt.

1075
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:25.739
I'm not wearing any trousers.

1076
01:09:25.859 --> 01:09:26.699
You know?

1077
01:09:26.819 --> 01:09:27.180
Oh, really?

1078
01:09:27.180 --> 01:09:28.800
It's just a t-shirt and box of shorts.

1079
01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:30.659
And the sort of, oh, make it.

1080
01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:31.979
Too cold for that.

1081
01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:35.100
I've got about 5 letters. roast in here, if I'm honest.

1082
01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:35.939
Yeah.

1083
01:09:35.939 --> 01:09:37.079
What's roasting?

1084
01:09:37.079 --> 01:09:39.000
Like a 23 degrees or something.

1085
01:09:39.060 --> 01:09:47.340
You look like Vedic bottom league is what you look like. do not disturb on now.

1086
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:49.920
This is what people want to see.

1087
01:09:49.979 --> 01:09:54.840
I still think that the best tag was that one recently where you were just humming the Star Trek.

1088
01:09:54.899 --> 01:09:58.439
No, the best one ever was when you was talking about the fence.

1089
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:03.420
I just painted it the colour of shit, you went.

1090
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:09.539
Have you had any more terrorist attacks on your back garden since the last one?

1091
01:10:09.659 --> 01:10:10.380
No, no.

1092
01:10:10.380 --> 01:10:17.100
I think that the, I think the graffiti repellent paint repels graffiti and, I mean, don't get any anymore.

1093
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:19.140
They've moved on elsewhere now.

1094
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:20.760
Maybe they have.

1095
01:10:20.819 --> 01:10:24.239
I'm assuming crime's not too bad in your neck of the woods.

1096
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:25.680
No.

1097
01:10:25.739 --> 01:10:28.079
Whereas you've been to my road.

1098
01:10:28.140 --> 01:10:30.000
Crime is prevalent around here.

1099
01:10:30.060 --> 01:10:31.199
Yeah.

1100
01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:34.920
Yeah, there's a lot of broken things and a lot of weed.

1101
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:39.659
A lot of weed wafting out of the various houses.

1102
01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:45.720
Did I ever tell you about the time when the man broke into my back door and he was half naked and covered in blood?

1103
01:10:46.979 --> 01:10:50.579
Uh, was it Mark?

1104
01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:53.579
No, I was with Ludo at the time.

1105
01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:54.960
Oh, my goodness.

1106
01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:55.859
Yeah, we're sitting there watching it.

1107
01:10:55.859 --> 01:10:59.159
I was like, you know, when you become aware, something's not right in your environment.

1108
01:10:59.220 --> 01:11:00.119
Like something's shifted.

1109
01:11:01.020 --> 01:11:06.300
I didn't hear him coming in and the door was open because it was a hot summer's day.

1110
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:08.460
This fellow was there, literally ripped.

1111
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:12.420
He was gorgeous and he had blood all over his chest.

1112
01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:19.500
No top on, and really sweaty, and a beer in his hand, a bottle of glass bottle of beer.

1113
01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:20.100
What?

1114
01:11:20.100 --> 01:11:23.340
I know, and I went, who the hell are you like that?

1115
01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:30.720
And he saw me and I was literally in boxers that day as well when Ludo's there with me and he's going, uh, gazer, like that.

1116
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:32.520
And I'm like, I'm gonna fucking kill him.

1117
01:11:32.579 --> 01:11:34.859
So I went for him and Ludo's standing between us.

1118
01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:40.739
Turns out he was the drunken grandson of my neighbour who was still alive at that point.

1119
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:43.260
There were a woman that lived there.

1120
01:11:43.979 --> 01:11:46.500
They come in the wrong back gate.

1121
01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:48.960
He thought he was coming into her house.

1122
01:11:50.340 --> 01:11:53.939
And she was weird enough, and bless her, God bless her.

1123
01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:55.199
Am I going all a bit long now?

1124
01:11:55.260 --> 01:11:57.600
No, no, this is gold.

1125
01:11:57.659 --> 01:12:01.739
There was one time when I was like, because I used to sit and write my Star Trek reviews.

1126
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:03.899
I referenced them sometimes in the episodes.

1127
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:06.720
Do you remember I used to write them in the, oh, did I know you then?

1128
01:12:06.779 --> 01:12:07.739
I think I did.

1129
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:10.619
I used to write them in the dead of night, like sort of 3 in the morning.

1130
01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:11.939
The computer was downstairs.

1131
01:12:11.939 --> 01:12:13.800
And again, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1132
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:16.079
And you've got the door there, you know, that leaves outside.

1133
01:12:16.140 --> 01:12:17.520
Well, they didn't have a fence then.

1134
01:12:17.579 --> 01:12:19.680
So the 2 gardens were inside each other.

1135
01:12:19.739 --> 01:12:20.760
Yeah, yeah, right.

1136
01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:23.640
And I didn't realise you'd come out in the garden.

1137
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:25.739
She didn't realise I'm typing on the computer.

1138
01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:28.199
I look up, she looks up.

1139
01:12:28.260 --> 01:12:30.060
She's in the dark, yeah?

1140
01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:37.500
And she sort of goes, and claw talons came up and I was like, oh, my god.

1141
01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:40.199
Luna woke up and ran down the stairs and said, are you all right?

1142
01:12:40.260 --> 01:12:41.939
I was like, there's a witch in the gold.

1143
01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:43.800
He went, no, it's just a neighbour next door.

1144
01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:48.840
This is a small insight into what happens in Winchcombe Road in Eastbourne.

1145
01:12:48.899 --> 01:12:50.460
Oh my goodness.

1146
01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:55.680
We can't put that out because that would compromise your upset, saying where exactly you live, wouldn't it?

1147
01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:56.699
No, I don't care.

1148
01:12:56.760 --> 01:12:59.579
Jesus Christ, let the hype well can come.

1149
01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:03.000
There's 60. no there's 265 houses on this road.

1150
01:13:03.060 --> 01:13:06.000
Anyone could get the hate. down, though, I suppose.

1151
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:09.180
All those fans of sub Rosa. are sending their letters in.

1152
01:13:09.539 --> 01:13:12.659
Well, you were very positive about that, Rosa.

1153
01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:13.439
We was.

1154
01:13:13.500 --> 01:13:14.520
We like the ducks.

1155
01:13:14.579 --> 01:13:15.180
We actually were.

1156
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:17.520
We were pretty positive about meridian, you know.

1157
01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:20.220
Given how terrible it was.

1158
01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:23.819
Yeah, yeah, I've come to the conclusion.

1159
01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:26.279
This would be the last thing I should say for the tag now.

1160
01:13:26.340 --> 01:13:35.399
I've come to the conclusion that the worst sort of Star Trek is sort of the mid-dull Star Trek, like the masterpiece society, yeah?

1161
01:13:35.460 --> 01:13:37.079
And sort of, you know, 0 god.

1162
01:13:37.140 --> 01:13:40.020
Yeah, this is unendurably mid.

1163
01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:44.039
Whereas the terrible stuff, we can just laugh our heads off.

1164
01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:45.000
That's quite fun. generally.

1165
01:13:45.060 --> 01:13:47.760
And the great stuff, obviously, the good to great is really fun to watch.

1166
01:13:47.819 --> 01:13:52.680
Well, I think, like, the episode that's made me angriest that we've done.

1167
01:13:52.739 --> 01:13:54.180
Angriest one.

1168
01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:55.500
Yeah.

1169
01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:57.600
Can you think what it is?

1170
01:13:57.659 --> 01:13:59.279
Yes, it's that enterprise episode.

1171
01:13:59.340 --> 01:14:00.779
Was it Stigma?

1172
01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:02.220
Oh, cogenitor.

1173
01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:02.579
That was it.

1174
01:14:03.300 --> 01:14:04.140
Yeah, yeah.

1175
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:07.079
Like, I thought there was a lot to be said for that.

1176
01:14:07.140 --> 01:14:08.460
Do you know what I mean?

1177
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:11.699
Like, I didn't think it was an uninteresting hour of TV.

1178
01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:15.420
I think maybe the, what was the other one with the terrorists and stuff?

1179
01:14:15.420 --> 01:14:22.020
and it was just like, like, I get annoyed at series, it was Promised Land.

1180
01:14:22.079 --> 01:14:22.859
Was it promised land?

1181
01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:25.079
Well, we did a couple of weeks back, chosen around.

1182
01:14:25.500 --> 01:14:26.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1183
01:14:26.220 --> 01:14:28.319
The one where we've got angriest at each other.

1184
01:14:28.380 --> 01:14:38.220
We don't have them very often was Equinox part 2 when I was advocating for alien murder and you as a poor pilot.

1185
01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:40.079
They were people.

1186
01:14:40.859 --> 01:14:43.260
They were just slime of ghosts.

1187
01:14:43.260 --> 01:14:45.600
Yeah, they were probably evil.

1188
01:14:45.659 --> 01:14:46.380
Star Trek.

1189
01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:48.359
So it's nice to know we don't just laugh.

1190
01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:51.779
I'll wait for a living thing. we do get very passionate indeed.

1191
01:14:51.899 --> 01:14:56.039
Yeah, right, but I'm not going to be very passionate about this one.

1192
01:14:56.100 --> 01:14:57.779
Although I didn't think it was pretty fun.

1193
01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:01.260
All right, here goes.

1194
01:15:04.380 --> 01:15:06.600
Hey, Joe. Hi.