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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back after quite some time watching 2 episodes of Star

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Trek Prodigy, Series 2, episodes one and 2, Into the Breach Part 2

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and Into the Breach Part 2.

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At the start of July, Netflix dropped all 20 episodes of season 2

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all in one go, which is not at all what we used to.

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What a bumper tree.

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Well, it kind of happened at a time when I was, you know, away on

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holiday and I haven't really had time to catch up.

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So I'm really only about a 3rd of the way through the season.

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It could be whilst I find the world's smallest violin that you

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were too busy sunning yourself in Greece to watch Star Trek

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prodigy.

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It was a big problem.

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But I will get back to it.

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I will get back to it because I do find it really terribly

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agreeable.

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I have to say, so we're watching episodes one and two, and when

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Prodigy 1st came out, it was with an hour long special, remember?

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Wonderful.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And so this is kind of like that, although all of the episodes in

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this season are just kind of half an hour.

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There's an opposite.

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I have no reason.

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We're getting quite a few sort of full length stories.

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Yeah, but it is basically serialised as well.

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So it is all one big story and it is one thing I think that

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prodigy has managed to do is a good mix of serialisation and each

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episode having its own thing happening in it.

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And certainly I've noticed that so far in series 2, and it was

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definitely a thing in series one.

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I think the other thing it's done is it throws the premise away

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quite quickly.

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And so it promises to be a show about kids on a starship, you know

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doing Star Trek things, and then midway through series one, they

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introduce Admiral Janeway, and the show takes a different turn and

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we get the introduction of the construct.

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And we had those sort of 100 Valnacot agents who kind of go back

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in time in order to get the proto star and stuff like that.

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So that kind of changes things quite a bit and makes it sort of

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fairly complex.

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And now here, we're getting the show relaunching, but it doesn't

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relaunch with a clean slate, and a lot of the threads from the

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previous year are still up in the air.

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You haven't watched all of series one, have you?

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No, I've watched the 1st half and then just the ones we've done

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for this, but enough that I could understand what was going on

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here.

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Are you sure this throws away the premise because I've only

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watched episodes one too.

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And at the end of episode two, I felt as if we were going back to

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the premise of series one as they go off in a spaceship into an

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unknown region of space.

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Yeah, but the 1st one...

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But the original premise, I think, is, you know, the kids on the

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starship under the command of Hologram Janeway and they have their

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own Federation starship that they kind of run themselves.

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And that was sort of really rather charming and sort of sweet, but

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they had to come up with a way to keep them away from the

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Federation, I think, over 20 episodes.

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And so that's why we have the construct.

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So series one ends with them kind of being about to be welcomed

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into Starfleet Academy.

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And so series 2 starts when they're at that position, but they get

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to go off into space and and suddenly we still have the question

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of where did the proto star come from, which is sort of resolved

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at the end of series one.

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But we still have the proto star in play, even though it's

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destroyed in the present day in the finale.

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No, no, no. title later on in the season called Last Flight of the

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Protestar, Parts one and two.

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So I think your answers may be coming.

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Do you know, I'm going to have a long-winded answer to my reaction

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to this episode because I'm not entirely sure whether it's a good

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episode of Star Trek Prodigy, but I thought it was a very good

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episode of Star Trek Voyager.

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And I thought it was a pretty good episode of Lower Decks as well

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because I was getting huge lower decks vibes in this, as the below

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decks and above decks plots were happening at the same time.

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And as an episode of Star Trek Academy, this mooted series that

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has never come to be, I thought it was absolutely sublime.

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I actually really thoroughly enjoyed this to the point where I got

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to the end of the 2nd episode and I said straight away to my

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brother, who's in the next room, I want to watch all of this now

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I'm well invested.

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This is more, for me, I think, than series one and I like series

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one a lot, but I maybe wasn't as on board with the aimlessness of

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it as you were.

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I like the idea of them being grounded on earth and going off and

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having adventures and exploring all of that because we haven't

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really done that.

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Weirdly, given all of the Star Trek that we've had.

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We haven't told that story of kids at the academy, well, except

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for coming of age and terrible episodes like that.

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I really, really like this.

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Well, I think it is terribly cute and I love the way that they're

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all kind of gathered at the beginning, you know, kind of the posse

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comes together at the beginning of the episode as everyone gets a

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message and we see what they're doing at the academy and how

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people are reacting to the academy.

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And in particular, Dal, I think, is kind of interesting that he's

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not happy at the academy because he doesn't want to study.

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He wants to go out and adventure.

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He says at one point, doesn't he?

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We had a ship.

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We could go to whatever planet we wanted and now we're stuck

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reading these books.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Just won it, yeah.

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Do you know, one thing that really stood out as well is we've done

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a bit of 90s trick lately.

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And I thought in the plotting of this and the writing of it, there

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are, that people are pointing at a prodigy and said, this is for

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kids, there are much, much stupider episodes of 90s trek than

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this.

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I thought this was very well written.

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I thought the way the plot was constructed was really interesting

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with enough surprises and mysteries to keep me going.

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Like, obviously, this is TV for a modern audience.

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That's TV from the 90s.

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But as an episode of Voyager.

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I would have said this was top tier, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And I love the Voyager stuff.

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I think, you know, Voyager is a little bit unloved, including by

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us, but but we do love Voyager and have enormous warm feelings

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towards it, I think.

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And so like just that moment at the beginning of part 2 and the

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opening credits where you've got 2 of the 3 Roberts, you know

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their names in the opening credits are on the one slide, which is

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pretty great.

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I think I think they must have been reluctant to spoil Robert

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Picardo's appearance in episode one, which is why he doesn't get a

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thing in the opening credits.

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But just having him back.

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That's a great surprise.

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I really...

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You know, the best character of Voyage is here.

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That's right.

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My only only pictures of all this Voyager love, and I really like

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the fact that they are waving the flag for Star Trek Voyager in

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this show as well is, you know what I'm going to say here, is I

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really feel like.

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DS9 is.

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Again, the lost child of the 90s because we've had like one off

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stories there.

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But we've had an entire series that's whanked off the next

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generation.

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Now we've got a series which is wanking off Voyager.

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And Paul DS9 is not even having his testicles tickled.

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Well, there was an episode of Loading.

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It is the best show of the 90s.

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Come on, Christmas tree.

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What's wrong with you?

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But I do not object to all of this.

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I mean, it's Kate Mulgar and Robert Picardo, how could you

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possibly object?

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He's pretty great, isn't it?

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It is pretty good.

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I think that there's something to be said for avoiding answering

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the question of what happens next to Ben Cisco and leaving that a

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mystery, leaving his disappearance at the end of what you leave

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behind a kind of unresolved plot thread.

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I think it would be wrongdoing to come.

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Avery Brooks has lost his mind.

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Well, there's that.

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I mean, they probably can't have him back.

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But, but I also think that that ending is good and they should be

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wary before they come in and travel.

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It doesn't need it doesn't need lifting because it's a good show

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in its own right.

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But I just, I don't know.

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I want to hang out with those characters more.

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That's all.

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And lower decks, lower decks has gone to DS9, and we have done a

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few nice touches.

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I mean, Kira and Quark in that episode. were fabulous.

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Yeah.

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So good.

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But, uh, yeah, I mean, I'm hoping we do push away from this much

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Voyager into this being sort of purely prodigy as the series goes

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along.

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Or is this just what prodigy is now?

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A hybrid or this Voyager.

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Yeah, I think it probably is.

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I think probably the rescue of Chakotay.

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Like I said, I haven't gone into it far enough, but the rescue of

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Chakotay still seems to be a sort of major thing, we're on board.

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But we want to rescue him.

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Well, you know, like I think they sell it.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, oh, there's a wonderful bit where, you know, he goes, she

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goes he was my number one.

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And you're like, what the hell does that mean?

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That's got some layers, that statement.

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Yeah, I thought so too.

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But also the kids owe him as well.

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And it is pretty early on in the season that they actually meet

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him too.

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Spoiler alert.

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So that's a thing that's coming.

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Well, we should probably go into the episode, but I will just say

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one last thing before we go in.

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And that is, if this is going to be the new prodigy, this little

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hybrid of Voyager and prodigy, then I'm very pleased that we're

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finally getting Voyager written by capable writers.

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Let's go.

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All right.

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I will count us in.

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Have I just dismissed 7 seasons of Star Trek?

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Cruel bit fair, though.

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Um, does it?

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Now look at the weird thing.

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So that's the voyage and look at that weird space thing.

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There's some Are you getting the trailer, the Star Trek trailer?

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Yeah.

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So it's just a, so that's a mission statement that Voyager is the

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ship on prodigy now, yeah?

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I think so yeah.

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Oh, because the shit they got, I figured that was going to be the

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ship they were going to be in for the rest of it.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I thought it was totally wrong.

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No, that's fine, just that they go off in. isn't it?

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Voyager A. Oh, what?

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The little ship at the end.

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It goes into the wormhole.

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Oh, no, that's what's that called?

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The infinity, I think.

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Yeah, I figured that was gonna be that.

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Well, maybe there'll be just sort of dual ships.

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Oh, okay, no, you've seen more than me.

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Okay, cool.

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Oh yeah.

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So I just need to say to you about this fabulous piece of title

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music that we have for prodigy.

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And that is that my other half heard the strings coming in and so

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I came into the room right and started doing his sort of dancing

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and then somewhere halfway through the theme, it became sort of

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sexy dancing.

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I wasn't quite sure what was going on.

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And then by the end of the theme, he was dry humping me on the

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sofa.

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I know, and I did say to him at the end of the music, you do

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realise this is a kid's show, and then he ran off out of the

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room.

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We should write to Michael Cacchino and tell him.

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I'll try and film it. you know, put it out alongside the episode.

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But it is gorgeous.

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And the music, that da, da, da, da, da.

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I love it.

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Look at Janeway, look, made up of all of those.

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Hologram Janeway.

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Made up of all those L cars displays.

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We should not hologram anymore, though, is she?

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No, no, it's Admiral Janeway now.

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And it is Admiral Janeway halfway through series one.

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And I think Hologram Janeway sacrifices her life.

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So we kind of reenact Endgame.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Where we have a spare Janeway to sacrifice to solve the kind of

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problem posed by the finale.

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I mean, in this episode.

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The only bit I really didn't understand was when we went off to, I

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can't remember the girl's name now to her home planet and all of

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that because that was all dealing with stuff that happened last

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year and the consequence of it.

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But what I did like about that was, I said, bloody hell, I wish

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forward you have been doing this back in the 90s, having an, you

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know, an A-plot, and then a running B-plot going throughout the

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season.

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And it's very clear, like, even if you don't have the backstory

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you know, watch a look at Murph.

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Oh, I love it.

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I've seen like a person now.

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So he goes into a kind of chrysalis and then emerges looking like

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that.

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So I think they decide to redesign a character.

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I think he's still adorable.

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But he's a little...

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But he can't do what he did in the 1st episode when he went

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sliding across the camera. when the ship was under attack.

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Well, you remember he was a toddler and I think that they decided

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that was too restrictive.

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All right.

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So this was a reference to Lieutenant Larkin.

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So this is Rocktock giving a, um, giving a little lecture, uh, like

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a presentation about trible biology, uh, and she mentions uh

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Edward Larkin, the lieutenant from the trouble with Edward.

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Ah, okay.

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Yeah, so there's a reference to that.

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We have references here to lower decks as well.

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There's an episode talking about lower decks.

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And look, I love this thing with Jankum too.

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So Jankum has decided that he has to be clean and polite and well

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behaved if he's going to be in the academy.

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But he's still clumsy because he falls over clumsy.

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How incestuous all these shows are getting referencing each

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other.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Because they're all part of the same franchise.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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I never understood why Buffy and Angel saw did it all very

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discreetly, you know, when they were referencing each other.

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So I wonder where this goes.

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Because this happens twice, doesn't it?

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So we have, um, we we have 0 who is unable to touch anyone envying

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these 2 teenagers who are just holding hands or touching one

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another's hand.

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Um, I cannot tell you how impressed I am by the vocal performance

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of 0 because I really, he's a ball with some lights in it.

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Yeah, I can absolutely feel what he's going through there wanting

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to be able to experience intimacy.

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Yeah.

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So that's Angus Imory, of course, who's Celia Imory's son.

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Wow, the talent does not fall very far from the tree.

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Exactly.

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And so it's a jam, fabulous as a cartoon.

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I know.

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Finally, we get the message that Janeway's sending and she's

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getting all of them.

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So they're not cadets yet, are they?

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They're kind of, they're studying to pass some sort of entrance

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exam before they become.

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Well, we're changing the rules a bit now, because generally

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speaking, back in the day, you did not go on to starships to get

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your entrance, you just sat down in front of a boring computer and

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you know, looked at some diagrams and things, like in coming of

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age or whatever.

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Yeah, that would make a very boring episode if that was the case.

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Also, like these guys, and we don't quite know yet why they've

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been chosen, but she's got them on board because the wormhole is

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something that they created by detonating the proto star and

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because it involves them.

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So it isn't a thing that normally happens.

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Or there's the Nova Squadron people on board, aren't there?

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I loved all of that.

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I loved, I love the fact that you, they were expecting to go on

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the ship for Janeway to welcome them with open arms for them to

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all be a lovely big family, you know, after what they've been

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through in series one.

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And it turns out she's at a distance, she's too busy.

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They're out of the loop.

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Something is going on on the ship.

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It's got lots of suspense.

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I really love that approach.

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And that's the lower decksness of it. isn't it?

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That they don't know what's going on.

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There is even one bit where they go on to the bridge and the door

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shuts on them, you know, and I was like, yeah, that's so low.

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We're not privy to this.

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Yeah, yeah, we have to go to a cargo bay and hide.

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Unfortunately, Murph starts glooping down at one point. just to

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sort of figure out what the plot's all about.

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Oh, here we go.

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Oh, the reveal of the doctor.

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They're really kind of milking it.

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I'll tell you what.

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The doctor is so great.

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He was so great for 7 years, he deserves this moment.

364
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Yeah, yeah, he really does. absolutely should be back.

365
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It does look like he's sort of made out of plaster scene there

366
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though, doesn't he?

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Well, yes, yeah, yeah.

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It's funny, isn't it?

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The people, particularly people who we know as actors, do look a

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little bit odd.

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But I mean, that was always a problem with Janeway, I think, in

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series one too.

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I think the design of Dao is beautiful.

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Like that species.

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It's such a gorgeous look.

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So he, we discover he's um, a mutant like genetically engineered.

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And so there is a moment where it seems like he can't go into the

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academy.

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Um, and we're doing the thing that Star Trek never does because it

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would break the budget every time.

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Loads of scenes set on earth with gorgeous city scapes.

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The Golden Gate Bridge over there, Starfleet Academy over there is

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what I've always wanted to see, you know, is actual just normal

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scenes.

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Normally we go to that water filtration plant where there's a

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garden and a building, you know, that's all we ever say.

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Look at that.

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Look at the show coming away from Earth. doesn't it?

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gorgeous.

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I don't think this is this is talking down to adults at all, though

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the tone of this.

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Like, I generally don't.

393
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No, no, no.

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I think I think a lot of people have dismissed this show and said

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it's, oh, yeah, that's the one for kids, isn't it?

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Like, this, to me, feels like a good episode of Voyager.

397
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm never worried about that.

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I think that that, like, I'm I'm happy to watch well-made kids

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TV.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, I don't I don't mind.

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And I mean, it's not like Star Trek is, you know, the Sopranos or

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something.

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It's still, it's still kind of cheesy genre TV. very boring

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pleased it wasn't the sopranos.

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People were horrible on that.

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Well, maybe DS9 approached the sopranos every day. and again.

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But I do think listeners of Untitled Star Trek Project, people are

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like Dave Rennie and a few other people like that that I know

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haven't given this show a chance and I want him to listen to this

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episode and hear how good it is because I think he deserves a

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shot.

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Also as well, the whole sort of cancellation and moving channels

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and all of that.

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I think that sort of tarnished the reputation of prodigy a little

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bit of like, oh, this isn't worth it.

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It's not even worth screening on our channel.

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Let's just throw it out somewhere else.

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It's good stuff.

421
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Yeah, yeah, I think so too.

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It's better than it needs to be.

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And I think we spoke when we 1st covered it, just about the

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generosity of it.

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You know, that it is not the opposite of gatekeeping.

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It's inviting kids into the Star Trek universe.

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Look at this beautiful shot of the new Voyager A. What I should be

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saying then is not that it's not talking down to adults.

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It's not talking down to kids and that's more impressive.

430
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

431
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Well, you know, a few weeks ago we were watching an episode of the

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animated series, it was clearly aimed at children, and it was just

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dumb and basic, you know.

434
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Look how big the corridors on Voyager on now.

435
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Now we're in computer generation.

436
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That can be enormous.

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We can afford this really being said.

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I mean, that's the one thing that I missed a little bit because I

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thought the proto star was beautiful with those enormous spaces.

440
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Well, we're going to go back there later on in the season.

441
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Oh, so this is the equivalent of red squat that we had in the DS9

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episode.

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What was it called?

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Valiant.

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And they were absolutely obnoxious and so were this bunch.

446
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But weren't this the bunch that Tom Licano or whatever his name

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not Tom Licano.

448
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Right.

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Nova Squadron.

450
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, from the 1st duty.

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What was the name of that pattern they did in the sky?

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COVID Starburst.

453
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So you're such a geek.

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I knew you would know this.

455
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Janeway has 2 crew members here.

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One is her 2nd in command, who is David Diggs.

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We talked about that before, Commander Thisus.

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And then the Tellrite, there is, of course, Jason Alexander from

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Seinfeld, who, of course, did his own episode of Voyager as well.

460
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Kurtzman Trek continuing to get in ridiculously talented voice

461
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artists.

462
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Yeah, yeah. to do their shows.

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I must say the Adorian doesn't look quite as hot as me in the

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Untitled Star Trek.

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No, no, no, promotion picture.

466
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Isn't this shit beautiful, though?

467
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The new village is gorgeous, yeah.

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Frankly, this is what we could have had all along.

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I just love the fact that they have these massive widescreen

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windows in the bridge now, you know, like discovery does and all

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the ships do that.

472
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I don't know why.

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My God, when you saw this, the turbo lift going down and then

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another one going across.

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Something you never would have seen him.

476
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It was just a simple thing. and I was, because I would you say to

477
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you?

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how do they go across?

479
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Now I can see it.

480
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Yeah.

481
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And so it slipped sleepstream drive?

482
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That's a thing, which is mentioned in Voyager a couple of times

483
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and it looks like it's become a thing.

484
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I think that's what they use in the later seasons a couple of

485
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times to, you know, bump ahead a few minutes.

486
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Look at this.

487
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Look at Murph goes into the holiday and collects all of these

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rusty weapons and it's like hugely excited because he's going off

489
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to just like beat the shit.

490
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Zero's working in, um, in the Sick Bay Infirmary?

491
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Yeah, infirmary.

492
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Sick Bay?

494
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Sick Bay, isn't it?

495
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Yeah.

496
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And the lady there's just given birth.

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And again, again, he's looking on longingly at the lack of

498
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intimacy that he can experience.

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I'm hoping that that has some sort of resolution.

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00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:48.059
I'm clearly setting it up.

501
00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:51.180
I'm hoping, I don't know, his little lights managed to go into a

502
00:22:51.180 --> 00:22:53.339
person by the end of the year, maybe in the season.

503
00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:57.779
So this is Cetacean Ops, which is a thing that's established in

504
00:22:57.779 --> 00:22:58.799
lower decks.

505
00:22:58.859 --> 00:23:02.640
Remember that lower decks has sort of tanks that are full of

506
00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:03.599
dolphins and stuff?

507
00:23:03.660 --> 00:23:08.519
And I think it's, like, it's not properly mentioned, but I guess

508
00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:15.000
the idea is that Star Trek 4, you know, brought Wales back to

509
00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:19.680
Earth and now they're on board this starship for some reason and

510
00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:21.480
like whatever, what the fuck you care?

511
00:23:21.539 --> 00:23:22.619
You never know when we might.

512
00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:23.880
That pro might be back again.

513
00:23:23.940 --> 00:23:25.440
You never know when we might need them.

514
00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:27.359
So the...

515
00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:31.079
Rock is our tendee of this show. sort of the very cute one.

516
00:23:31.140 --> 00:23:33.480
That's really happy to be involved with everything.

517
00:23:33.539 --> 00:23:34.500
Yeah.

518
00:23:34.980 --> 00:23:39.000
It's so funny, actually, because the character, you know, the

519
00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:40.380
actor who plays her is so young.

520
00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:43.200
Like, she was nine, I think, in series one.

521
00:23:43.259 --> 00:23:45.720
I did notice that the age is creeping up in her voice.

522
00:23:45.779 --> 00:23:49.319
It was already a very good performance, but I thought she was

523
00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:49.920
wonderful in this.

524
00:23:49.980 --> 00:23:51.359
Yeah, yeah.

525
00:23:51.420 --> 00:23:54.480
But she does sound a bit older. you know, if she's still

526
00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:58.140
interested. somebody voices the, oh, is this what we're doing?

527
00:23:58.259 --> 00:24:00.180
Like, look what we did last year.

528
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:03.180
So I am pleased, because style could often be that sort of one

529
00:24:03.180 --> 00:24:05.460
where you're going, oh, God, I know he's going to come good in the

530
00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:07.200
end, but why is he being so stupid?

531
00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:10.980
But actually, I thought they used him really well.

532
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:12.180
Oh, he looks so despondent.

533
00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:16.740
Yeah, this, but then this big, you know, look at the mess hall

534
00:24:16.740 --> 00:24:22.140
compared to the tiny shitty set. in Voyager, this massive space

535
00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:23.640
for this massive window.

536
00:24:24.539 --> 00:24:26.819
Can't they have a hologram?

537
00:24:26.819 --> 00:24:30.000
Neelix saying, hello, I've got you some neon stew.

538
00:24:30.059 --> 00:24:31.980
Yeah, justice for Ethan.

539
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:33.359
Why hasn't he been back?

540
00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:36.539
I'm just checking on my phone now for a second.

541
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:39.240
I want to see if there's a Murph doll because I really want one

542
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:40.559
because he's so cute.

543
00:24:40.619 --> 00:24:42.779
He is adorable, isn't he?

544
00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:45.119
It must be a figure or something, right?

545
00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:49.980
No, not that I can say.

546
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:50.700
Oh, shame.

547
00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:54.720
I'd be interested to see why they decided to change him, but I

548
00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:59.220
suspect it's because like the Murph toddler thing was fairly

549
00:24:59.220 --> 00:24:59.819
limiting.

550
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.359
Yeah, like how many jokes can you get out?

551
00:25:03.420 --> 00:25:05.400
Yeah, before you just start repeating the joke.

552
00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:06.539
Yeah, yeah.

553
00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:11.700
And, and like, just that sort of, because he plays a bit of a big

554
00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:15.660
role here and there is a, there's a, there's a whale, one of the

555
00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:19.380
Cetacean whales sort of tries to communicate with him and all of

556
00:25:19.380 --> 00:25:19.559
that.

557
00:25:19.619 --> 00:25:22.380
So it is a, it is definitely a thing.

558
00:25:22.380 --> 00:25:25.440
We're looking into Murf and learning more about him as a

559
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:25.859
character.

560
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:29.400
But the idea was, of course, that rock would have to do security

561
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:34.259
because she's so big and intimidating, but she never wanted to do

562
00:25:34.259 --> 00:25:34.559
that.

563
00:25:34.619 --> 00:25:38.759
She wanted to be a scientist And so leaving Murph being the one

564
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:40.500
who does security is really cute.

565
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:43.920
Those windows in the, uh, in the mess hall there.

566
00:25:44.579 --> 00:25:45.720
Starscape. amazing.

567
00:25:45.779 --> 00:25:49.319
There was a great bit of dialogue there where Dal said, well, we

568
00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:50.039
used to be heroes.

569
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:53.640
And Rocktok goes, well, if we want to be heroes again, we've got

570
00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:54.480
to get into the academy.

571
00:25:54.539 --> 00:25:55.380
Yes.

572
00:25:55.380 --> 00:25:58.680
We'll find a way of bypassing all of that boring stuff in this

573
00:25:58.680 --> 00:25:59.039
season.

574
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:00.359
I don't think we will.

575
00:26:00.420 --> 00:26:01.380
I don't think we will.

576
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:04.799
I think rock has to be right and Dale has to learn a lesson.

577
00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:05.819
Do you know what I mean?

578
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:10.019
Because it's Star Trek and that's what Star Trek's like.

579
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:11.519
There was a line there.

580
00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:14.039
It's not going to keep quoting lines. it's just because it's so

581
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:15.839
nice to have a Voyager episode with good lines.

582
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:19.859
Where, oh, no, I've forgotten the line already.

583
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:23.940
Will you stop looking so pretty, please?

584
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:24.900
very distracting.

585
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:28.440
I think the queen is looking pretty as well.

586
00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:31.980
I just remembered the line.

587
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:32.640
Yeah.

588
00:26:32.700 --> 00:26:34.200
Thank you for covering for me.

589
00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:37.140
He said, what is it?

590
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.480
No, she said, it's the new Voyager.

591
00:26:39.539 --> 00:26:40.680
What's not to love?

592
00:26:40.740 --> 00:26:44.279
that's absolutely the effects team when they were given this

593
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:44.700
brief.

594
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:47.400
We want you to create the new boy.

595
00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:50.700
Because you've got to, there's got to be fans involved in that

596
00:26:50.700 --> 00:26:51.599
effects team, right?

597
00:26:51.660 --> 00:26:52.440
Oh, of course.

598
00:26:52.500 --> 00:26:56.220
Well, in fact, there was a line of dialogue at the time saying, of

599
00:26:56.220 --> 00:27:01.319
course, Voyager is now a space museum, um, which is, of course, uh

600
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:05.759
canon because of the episode 2 Vix, at the Lower Decks, episode 2

601
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:08.220
Vix, where we actually go aboard that museum.

602
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:10.680
And so this is the Voyager A, which is a different ship

603
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:12.059
altogether.

604
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:16.259
Not to be mistaken for Living Witness, which is where Voyager was

605
00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:20.519
a space museum in the future, where they were all misremembered as

606
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:21.779
a load of villains and bullies.

607
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:22.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

608
00:27:23.099 --> 00:27:23.880
Wonderful episode.

609
00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:26.759
So this is kind of sweet.

610
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:28.980
It does feel I see what you're saying.

611
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.500
Like, I mean, I love it because I love Star Trek.

612
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:32.940
But again, like discovery.

613
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:36.180
It feels like it's gone back into Star Trek default mode.

614
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.940
You know, we're back on a Federation starship.

615
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:40.079
We're going out on a mission.

616
00:27:40.140 --> 00:27:41.460
We're at the academy.

617
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:48.119
I think the kids will get to play a bigger role. and get to do

618
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:51.359
their own thing, like get a little bit more initiative, but I

619
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.400
think it is from the context of this ship.

620
00:27:53.460 --> 00:27:57.000
But that's okay because I think those, you know, the characters on

621
00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:58.140
the ship are good.

622
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:02.400
I'm not being cynical when I say this, but I think by having your

623
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:03.539
in into series two.

624
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.119
You know, you love a series 2, episode one, when I show

625
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:06.839
reformats.

626
00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:10.380
And actually, getting off on the 1st foot saying, actually, this

627
00:28:10.380 --> 00:28:12.359
is our Voyager episode.

628
00:28:12.420 --> 00:28:14.579
Janeway is going to have a big role in this.

629
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:18.420
A lot of people that maybe were resistant to series one might go

630
00:28:18.420 --> 00:28:21.059
yeah, because I've seen Mulgrew at these conventions.

631
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:22.980
People love Voyager.

632
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:24.299
They love this crew.

633
00:28:24.420 --> 00:28:27.960
So they're going, oh, God, it's, you know, the new Voyager, Captain

634
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:29.579
Jane Wafer Real, the doctor.

635
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:31.019
I'm going to give this a go.

636
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:33.480
I think it's a really smart move. to start this way.

637
00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:37.799
And it kind of does work because remember, Janeway was always out

638
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:38.220
in.

639
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:43.259
She was the one who was teaching our crew about federation kind of

640
00:28:43.259 --> 00:28:48.900
morals and kind of ways of behaving and ideals and stuff like that

641
00:28:48.900 --> 00:28:52.140
like introducing us to the world of Star Trek.

642
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:54.240
I'm not too sure about the timeline.

643
00:28:54.299 --> 00:28:57.539
Is 7 of 9 off with the Fenris Rangers right now?

644
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:03.059
Uh, yeah, I meant to check all that, but I can't remember it.

645
00:29:03.180 --> 00:29:05.460
Can she make an appearance later on, you know?

646
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:08.400
I've just skipped over from the Starship Enterprise which I'm

647
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:09.240
currently capsing in.

648
00:29:09.299 --> 00:29:10.500
Hello, Captain Janeway.

649
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:16.859
So I do know that the Stardaid in episode 2 starts with the digit

650
00:29:16.859 --> 00:29:17.880
61.

651
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:24.660
And when Voyager ends, what, what, what other star dates then?

652
00:29:24.660 --> 00:29:27.900
Is it, like, five, four?

653
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:33.059
So it's probably 7 or 8 years after Voyager comes back, I think

654
00:29:33.059 --> 00:29:34.200
but I'm just guessing.

655
00:29:34.259 --> 00:29:36.720
I'm the Star Trek fan that don't like technobabble.

656
00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:38.819
How could you possibly ask me about Stardates?

657
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.819
Oh, but you know how Stardates work, don't you?

658
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:42.960
That, like, it's a four.

659
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:44.519
Don you know?

660
00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:46.500
Say the 2nd digit.

661
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:47.460
Oh come on.

662
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:49.079
The 2nd is shit.

663
00:29:49.140 --> 00:29:52.619
The 2nd digit is what season of Star Trek, the next generation it

664
00:29:52.619 --> 00:29:52.859
is.

665
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:58.079
So for one, all of the Stardates in series one of the Next

666
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:05.039
Generation are 41 number, number, number, dot, 3 and 42.

667
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.200
So season 7 is 47, right?

668
00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:10.259
And then Voyager is 48, season one.

669
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.599
And so, I don't know, it's a thing.

670
00:30:12.660 --> 00:30:13.200
No?

671
00:30:13.259 --> 00:30:17.099
No, I have managed to successfully get through 44 years of my life

672
00:30:17.099 --> 00:30:18.119
without not knowing that.

673
00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:21.539
I think my life will be more enriched now, I know it.

674
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.559
Well, so what I want you to do is go back and look at the website

675
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:29.940
where we always put the Stardates for every episode that has

676
00:30:29.940 --> 00:30:30.299
them.

677
00:30:30.299 --> 00:30:32.400
No, because I'm always able to see the pattern.

678
00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:34.319
Well, the photograph that you've chosen, you know?

679
00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:40.380
You chose a particularly good one for Meridian, I noticed.

680
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:44.099
Yes, super upsetting.

681
00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:47.519
Another one.

682
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.579
Another thing I really loved about this 1st episode as well.

683
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:54.779
There is, it does introduce the mystery, but quite light.

684
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:58.740
And for the most part, it's just these characters being together

685
00:30:58.740 --> 00:31:03.000
going onto Voyager and sort of finding their place in the universe

686
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:03.359
again.

687
00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:04.799
And I really like that.

688
00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:05.940
It was a very gentle opening.

689
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:10.500
It's the same response I had to image in the sand in boys DS9

690
00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:11.220
series 7.

691
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.119
It's just a lot of hang time before episode two, the shit all hits

692
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:18.119
the fan. and by the end of that one, we've got our season

693
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:18.660
rolling.

694
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:20.519
That's nice.

695
00:31:20.579 --> 00:31:21.779
Yeah.

696
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:24.539
I don't think you need to gum in guns blazing every time.

697
00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:29.460
No, no, I thought that was quite, quite good, and they spent, you

698
00:31:29.460 --> 00:31:31.440
know, they sold the premise quite well.

699
00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:34.440
We got to see the ship, all of that sort of stuff, we got reminded

700
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:35.759
of who all the characters were.

701
00:31:35.819 --> 00:31:41.880
We get like Gwen Gwyn's plot on the planet Solum explained and

702
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:47.640
just enough backstory to remind us what that's about. that we're

703
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:47.940
seeing here.

704
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.839
We get to introduce the children to the word cockamamy as well.

705
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:54.299
Yes, yeah, which is adorable.

706
00:31:54.299 --> 00:31:55.799
Which seems to be a running joke now.

707
00:31:55.859 --> 00:31:56.640
Yeah.

708
00:31:56.700 --> 00:31:59.759
Yeah, and so we're getting this stuff about cloaked ships that

709
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:03.059
ships can be invisible and the kids who've just watched this don't

710
00:32:03.059 --> 00:32:06.119
know that, but that it's possible but illegal.

711
00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:07.019
Oh, here we go.

712
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:13.140
So here is our grown-ups, and the kids have are now hanging from

713
00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:13.740
the ceiling.

714
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.680
And there's some very loud dialogue from the kids, which then they

715
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:18.839
make, they hang a lantern on, don't they?

716
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:20.880
Where, where, where...

717
00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:22.500
Oh, someone goes, will you please be cool?

718
00:32:24.059 --> 00:32:25.980
Are we trying to be captured?

719
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:28.619
Like, do we really want to be noticed?

720
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:30.000
I love as well.

721
00:32:30.059 --> 00:32:33.059
They're doing that thing that they do used to do in 90s trek is

722
00:32:33.059 --> 00:32:36.720
like, you know, when the plot requires it, the regulars behave in

723
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:37.559
a suspicious way.

724
00:32:37.619 --> 00:32:41.460
So Janeway just came in sort of sinister lighting and went, wow

725
00:32:41.460 --> 00:32:44.039
well, gentlemen, what is going on here?

726
00:32:44.099 --> 00:32:44.819
you know?

727
00:32:44.819 --> 00:32:48.900
So for a 2nd, we're supposed to think, well, what are they up to

728
00:32:48.900 --> 00:32:49.799
these adults, you know?

729
00:32:49.859 --> 00:32:52.319
What evil deeds are occurring here?

730
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:53.940
But no, it turns out.

731
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:57.359
It turns out Chakotay's the prize all along.

732
00:32:57.420 --> 00:32:58.140
Yeah.

733
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.059
So it's an illegally cloaked ship.

734
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:01.799
So that is also a thing.

735
00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:02.940
You know, they're doing something wrong.

736
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:05.759
This is so adorable with them hanging from the ceiling.

737
00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:08.400
I don't know what happened to 0's legs, but maybe they just

738
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:08.940
retract.

739
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:13.920
I am just utterly entranced by the light inside 0's ball.

740
00:33:13.980 --> 00:33:16.440
Like, I just, I just watched that light.

741
00:33:16.500 --> 00:33:19.559
I could put that on YouTube and just sit there watching it on my

742
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:19.859
TV.

743
00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:21.900
Oh, oh no.

744
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.000
Hank, can I ask about Murph?

745
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:26.220
Because a bit of him just dripped down there from the ceiling.

746
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:28.140
So it's not like Odo, is it?

747
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:30.180
No, I don't think so.

748
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.019
That was like gloop, wasn't he just sort of coughing up goop?

749
00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:35.339
Because he's kind of revolting?

750
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:38.700
What do you think of Janeway's sort of sexy streak of gray, you

751
00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:38.940
know?

752
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:40.019
Yeah, it's awesome.

753
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:40.920
He's an very nice.

754
00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:43.559
And it was used to differentiate her because originally she has

755
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:47.160
sort of Janeway season one hair, sort of like Voyager season one

756
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:51.660
hair is what hologram Janeway has, you know, and then she has sort

757
00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:54.660
of season 7 hair, but with a streak of extra gray just to let us

758
00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:56.400
know that 10 years have passed or whatever.

759
00:33:56.460 --> 00:34:00.119
I love the listening to Janeway talking about prodigy.

760
00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:03.359
Sorry, Kate Mulgrew in conventions, because she's there on the

761
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:06.240
stage and she's going, you know, they asked me to be on this kid

762
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.539
show, Star Trek's kids show, and I went, what's this?

763
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.300
No, I was doing, you know, sophisticated science fiction in the

764
00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:12.780
90s.

765
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:17.460
I know, I'm playing, you know, terrifying punk lesbians now in

766
00:34:17.460 --> 00:34:17.940
prisons.

767
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:19.920
You know, I can't be in a kitchen.

768
00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:23.579
And then the scripts came through and I said immediately, of

769
00:34:23.579 --> 00:34:24.360
course, I'll do this.

770
00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:26.099
She was blown away.

771
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:28.139
She was blown away by the writing and she said she really wanted

772
00:34:28.139 --> 00:34:28.619
to do it.

773
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:35.280
And then she goes on to say about how vital it is to get kids

774
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:40.079
young into space exploration and science and things like that.

775
00:34:40.139 --> 00:34:43.500
Like, Mulgrew never just gives a facetious answer to anything.

776
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:44.820
It's always very thoughtful.

777
00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:49.079
And and I think that that's, you know, that that's what's

778
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:49.860
happening here, isn't it?

779
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:53.760
Because it isn't just space, you know, it's the ethic of Star Trek

780
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.940
that's introduced here too, which is pretty great.

781
00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:58.320
It is pretty great.

782
00:34:58.380 --> 00:35:01.019
And the world and the ridiculousness of the world, which is kind

783
00:35:01.019 --> 00:35:01.739
of awesome as well.

784
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:03.659
There is one weird thing.

785
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:04.559
Did you notice?

786
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:08.940
At the end of, um, at the end of the episode, I don't know if it

787
00:35:08.940 --> 00:35:14.099
did it on yours, it goes to black, like, there's a dramatic cut

788
00:35:14.099 --> 00:35:15.659
and then the title's cut in.

789
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:16.860
Yeah, yeah.

790
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:18.659
As if it's kind of chopped up oddly.

791
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:22.619
I thought that was on too, and I, and it happens in the middle

792
00:35:22.619 --> 00:35:26.519
there, and I wondered whether that, because this was a full length

793
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:29.340
like a 50 minute episode, that it was a result of that.

794
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:31.380
But then it happens every episode.

795
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.179
So I don't kind of know what's happening.

796
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:35.099
All right.

797
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:36.300
So what do you think?

798
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:40.019
Have we got any closing remarks before we launch into episode

799
00:35:40.019 --> 00:35:40.440
two?

800
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:45.360
Yeah, I think my last closing remark of many positive closing

801
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.019
remarks, I sort of went into this recording telling you my powder

802
00:35:49.019 --> 00:35:52.199
was dry because I just wanted to be full of praise throughout the

803
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:54.179
entire episode because I really liked it.

804
00:35:54.179 --> 00:35:59.039
Um, is, I think, uh, like series one, starting series 2 as a 50

805
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:03.119
minute 2 parter, is another statement as well of them saying we're

806
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:05.820
not just doing these little sort of vignette episodes.

807
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.880
We're telling proper Star Trek stories, you know?

808
00:36:08.940 --> 00:36:11.880
And actually looking ahead at the season and all those 2 partters

809
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:15.300
in there, if this is how the show's going out, then they're going

810
00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:17.159
out telling sort of big stories.

811
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:18.179
I like that a lot.

812
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:19.559
Yeah, it's funny.

813
00:36:19.619 --> 00:36:22.559
We don't know whether this is how they're going out, do we?

814
00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:26.760
because it's always possible that this goes well enough on Netflix

815
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.039
for them to want another series.

816
00:36:29.099 --> 00:36:31.920
And if they do have another series, that's 60 episodes.

817
00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:35.699
That's more than Star Trek discovery reached.

818
00:36:35.820 --> 00:36:38.519
Well, 40 is more than Picard.

819
00:36:38.579 --> 00:36:40.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

820
00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:42.119
So it's still a substantial amount.

821
00:36:42.179 --> 00:36:44.519
And I haven't seen the end and I don't want to be spoiled

822
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:48.480
particularly, but I have heard that it's a good ending and that it

823
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.960
could serve as an ending to the whole show or it could go on from

824
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:52.199
there.

825
00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:53.940
It could serve either way.

826
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.780
So we won't feel robbed if we don't get another series except it

827
00:36:57.780 --> 00:36:59.400
would be lovely to have another series.

828
00:36:59.579 --> 00:37:05.400
What they've proven here is if is that is the ending, and it's

829
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.820
satisfying great, but they can retool this show so they can pick

830
00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:11.820
it up again for series 3, just like they've done here for series 2

831
00:37:11.820 --> 00:37:15.059
which is completely different from one and then get going again.

832
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:15.659
Yeah.

833
00:37:15.659 --> 00:37:16.079
Yeah.

834
00:37:16.139 --> 00:37:17.639
And this also seems to be designed.

835
00:37:17.699 --> 00:37:20.820
This season seems to be designed in two, 10 episode blocks with a

836
00:37:20.820 --> 00:37:24.780
finale at the end the way that the original series came out as

837
00:37:24.780 --> 00:37:26.460
like 2 series.

838
00:37:26.699 --> 00:37:31.199
And they are quite different from one another, those 2 series. you

839
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:33.239
know, they have quite different premises and things.

840
00:37:33.300 --> 00:37:35.039
We're just like to ask.

841
00:37:35.099 --> 00:37:37.559
So if they are going to lean into Voyager quite a bit.

842
00:37:37.619 --> 00:37:40.079
And can we have a few of the old favourites back, please?

843
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:43.860
Chaotica, Cesca, you know, some of the best people.

844
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.980
I've seen a triple episode ahead.

845
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:49.739
We never got our voyage or triple episodes, so, you know.

846
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:50.460
That's true.

847
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:53.460
But someone ring Ethan Phillips's people, please.

848
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:54.239
All right.

849
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.340
We still in the Delta Quadrant with that family.

850
00:37:56.460 --> 00:37:58.980
Oh, well, they can get to the Delta Quadrant.

851
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:00.420
They got slipstream drive.

852
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.039
Oh, sorry.

853
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:05.639
No, we've got to go and rescue Chakotay first.

854
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:10.559
All right, so we have to rescue Chakotay and to that end, I think

855
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:13.860
it's probably time for us to do part two. do you think?

856
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:15.059
Yeah, lovely.

857
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:18.420
If they do rescue Chikose and they do bring in seven, please can

858
00:38:18.420 --> 00:38:21.059
they give her the line, I can't believe I ever went there.

859
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:26.579
Yeah, no, that was another upsetting outbreak of interest.

860
00:38:26.579 --> 00:38:26.880
Yeah.

861
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:28.079
Series 7 avoid.

862
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:28.739
Yeah, exactly.

863
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:29.820
All right.

864
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:30.900
Okay.

865
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:32.280
I'm going to count us in.

866
00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:38.340
Five, four, three, two, one and we're off.

867
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:41.460
Da-da-da.

868
00:38:41.460 --> 00:38:44.940
And that weird...

869
00:38:45.059 --> 00:38:49.380
So they animated slightly differently for each Star Trek series

870
00:38:49.380 --> 00:38:49.679
apparently.

871
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.079
So that's exciting.

872
00:38:53.579 --> 00:38:55.380
Here we go then.

873
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:57.119
We've got all of our mysteries set up.

874
00:38:57.179 --> 00:38:59.460
Why is there a cloaked ship?

875
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:01.199
What's it got to do with the wormhole?

876
00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:02.760
What's Janeway hiding?

877
00:39:02.820 --> 00:39:04.559
Why might the mission be cancelled?

878
00:39:04.619 --> 00:39:06.719
I mean, a lot to tie up here.

879
00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:11.340
There is, and it turns out the person who might cancel the mission

880
00:39:11.340 --> 00:39:13.679
is Admiral Jellicoe.

881
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:15.119
Isn't that awesome?

882
00:39:15.179 --> 00:39:18.599
I'm so glad that they find a way, counsellor.

883
00:39:18.659 --> 00:39:21.360
I prefer formal dress on the bridge, all right?

884
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:25.500
Ever since that line, I've been in love with that character.

885
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.360
He's, um, you know, had such an impact and it's really great.

886
00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:32.460
This is a bit funny bad. all the time.

887
00:39:32.579 --> 00:39:34.139
It was so refreshing.

888
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:35.400
It's just like Pulaski.

889
00:39:35.460 --> 00:39:38.159
It was so refreshing to have an arsehole, an enterprise for just a

890
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:38.400
little bit.

891
00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:39.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

892
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.179
Do you know, when Riker goes, you know, you really need to make

893
00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:44.519
more of an effort with the crew. you know, get to know them a bit

894
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.380
more, you know, he goes, yeah, all right.

895
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:47.519
He goes you deal with that for me.

896
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:53.880
We actually get a little bit of that in Discovery Series 5 as well

897
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:54.659
with rain.

898
00:39:54.780 --> 00:39:57.719
What was great was Ronald D Moore refused to dial back on it.

899
00:39:57.780 --> 00:40:00.360
So even when they're all starting to work together in the 2nd

900
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:04.079
episode of Chain of Command with Jellico, he's still on arsehole

901
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:04.559
by the end of it.

902
00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:05.340
Yeah.

903
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:06.539
I think it's really good.

904
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:08.519
He's not horrible to people, really.

905
00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:12.059
He just doesn't want to be anyone for his friends. as relaxed as

906
00:40:12.059 --> 00:40:14.460
Captain Picard was and I never thought I'd say those words.

907
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:15.300
No, no.

908
00:40:15.300 --> 00:40:17.039
It's pretty great, isn't it?

909
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:18.300
Captain Picard.

910
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:21.420
If he had a look at Captain Pike and how he runs things, he did

911
00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:22.800
absolutely...

912
00:40:22.860 --> 00:40:23.579
Yeah exactly.

913
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:25.500
Into the breach.

914
00:40:25.500 --> 00:40:27.780
Part two. looking good.

915
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:31.980
Gotta say, we're not seeing it yet, but that wormhole later on

916
00:40:31.980 --> 00:40:33.719
looks terrific.

917
00:40:33.780 --> 00:40:35.159
Really good, isn't it?

918
00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:36.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

919
00:40:36.420 --> 00:40:40.260
I love their faces and the prodigy were in, the letters.

920
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:41.099
Yeah, yeah.

921
00:40:41.219 --> 00:40:44.400
Okay, so this is the B plot.

922
00:40:44.460 --> 00:40:47.039
Will you explain all this to me, please?

923
00:40:47.099 --> 00:40:48.599
I'll do my best.

924
00:40:48.659 --> 00:40:50.460
I'll say what I can remember.

925
00:40:51.179 --> 00:40:56.639
When the show opens, she's on Tars Lamora with her father, and

926
00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:59.579
that's where the proto star is, and her father's looking for the

927
00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:00.360
proto star.

928
00:41:00.420 --> 00:41:06.780
And her father is one of, um, a 100 people who are sent back from

929
00:41:06.780 --> 00:41:11.099
Solem from this planet, 50 years into the future, 50 years in the

930
00:41:11.099 --> 00:41:15.539
future, they come back in order to find the proto-star.

931
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:19.920
And what they want to do is they want to prevent the Federation

932
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:24.300
from making 1st contact with Solem because it causes a civil war.

933
00:41:24.539 --> 00:41:26.639
Okay, when it does.

934
00:41:26.699 --> 00:41:28.619
That was very succinct. you.

935
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:29.519
Yeah, yeah.

936
00:41:29.579 --> 00:41:34.380
And so she's here now trying to prevent that civil war, and that

937
00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:38.519
was mostly what her and Dal were talking about when he was in his

938
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:40.559
quarters, and he was talking to her on the pad.

939
00:41:40.619 --> 00:41:44.820
So her job is to say that the Federation exists. and she's doing

940
00:41:44.820 --> 00:41:45.179
it now.

941
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:52.860
She's explaining that she is a Valnakot, but she comes from a

942
00:41:52.860 --> 00:41:55.320
federation and is aware of other people.

943
00:41:55.380 --> 00:42:00.840
Now, the thing is, one of the other 100, like one of a 100 people

944
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.280
who comes back as well as her father, is this character Asencia

945
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:10.260
who was disguised as a trill officer on board the Dauntless, which

946
00:42:10.260 --> 00:42:10.920
was the ship.

947
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:12.119
Yeah, I remember.

948
00:42:12.179 --> 00:42:13.679
Yeah, I remember her.

949
00:42:13.739 --> 00:42:20.699
And she's played by, um, uh, It's a great voice.

950
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:22.739
It's a very clipped British voice.

951
00:42:22.860 --> 00:42:27.360
Yeah, it's Jamila Jamil from the good place. am I not recognised?

952
00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:28.320
Yeah, yeah.

953
00:42:28.380 --> 00:42:32.280
Very posh English voice, so absolutely.

954
00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:36.119
And she's about to appear now, I think, isn't she?

955
00:42:36.179 --> 00:42:41.760
And, and, um, so she's still trying to prevent 1st contact because

956
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:45.659
she's still on her mission to um, there we go.

957
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.119
So do you think it's just going to run for quite a bit?

958
00:42:48.179 --> 00:42:49.440
There's a plot?

959
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:50.159
I don't know.

960
00:42:50.219 --> 00:42:55.619
It is super important and it's, you know, we've got this wormhole

961
00:42:55.619 --> 00:42:58.079
with 50 years distance.

962
00:42:58.139 --> 00:42:58.860
Yeah.

963
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:03.840
Um, uh, and so there's 50 years in the future where Solom's been

964
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:06.659
devastated and we're going to see a hologram of that in a minute

965
00:43:06.659 --> 00:43:10.320
uh, and sometime between now and then is when the Federation makes

966
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:15.900
1st contact and she and Gwynn's father were trying to prevent it.

967
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.320
Those are not simple ideas for kids to get their heads around, you

968
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:19.559
know?

969
00:43:19.619 --> 00:43:21.179
Yeah, especially the timeline of that.

970
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:22.260
Yeah.

971
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:23.039
Yeah.

972
00:43:23.099 --> 00:43:26.699
I think there's a level of simplicity in the way that it is

973
00:43:26.699 --> 00:43:27.539
introduced.

974
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:33.059
Like we understand what Asencia wants and what Gwynn wants and we

975
00:43:33.059 --> 00:43:34.860
kind of understand what the stakes are.

976
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.440
And so that's super clear and comprehensible.

977
00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:40.980
So all of the timeline stuff doesn't really matter from sort of

978
00:43:40.980 --> 00:43:41.880
scene to scene.

979
00:43:41.940 --> 00:43:46.079
But it took me a little while to remember because it had been a

980
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:47.820
while since I'd watched that 2nd episode.

981
00:43:47.940 --> 00:43:51.420
See, notice that there's a younger version of Asencia here on the

982
00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:55.320
planet and that introduces us to the possibility there might be a

983
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:57.179
younger version of her father.

984
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:02.940
So her father travels further back in time than the others, which

985
00:44:02.940 --> 00:44:09.059
is why he's older, and he dies at the end of series one, but we

986
00:44:09.059 --> 00:44:14.159
reintroduce the character here as the younger version of himself.

987
00:44:14.219 --> 00:44:19.619
What you also get with these scenes is a planet ripped straight

988
00:44:19.619 --> 00:44:25.079
from a very expensive Star Wars series because the exteriors and

989
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:29.219
the interiors on this planet are amazingly good.

990
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:33.059
She's literally on the wire now going through all the spires down

991
00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:34.500
into sort of the under city.

992
00:44:34.500 --> 00:44:37.260
And it just, it feels very sort of rogue one-ish to me.

993
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:38.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

994
00:44:38.940 --> 00:44:41.699
It's definitely that Star Wars aesthetic that we noticed at the

995
00:44:41.699 --> 00:44:44.400
very beginning of series one as well on time.

996
00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:45.840
They're doing this all on computers.

997
00:44:45.900 --> 00:44:47.159
Why wouldn't you do that, you know?

998
00:44:47.219 --> 00:44:50.699
It's hard to reconcile this planet with those old studio

999
00:44:50.699 --> 00:44:55.739
landscapes from series one of, although there's elements of that

1000
00:44:55.739 --> 00:44:56.340
in this.

1001
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:59.099
It is just more beautiful, isn't it?

1002
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:00.960
And they're expansive.

1003
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:05.219
I often point this out, but Nathan Curry has the cityscape behind

1004
00:45:05.219 --> 00:45:06.179
him on the Zoom screen.

1005
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:08.820
That is just an image, isn't it?

1006
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:09.480
Just beautiful.

1007
00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:13.139
Gorgeous sort of spires sticking up into the air.

1008
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:14.579
The lighting.

1009
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:17.280
We've moved a long way from those map paintings of Bajor.

1010
00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:19.380
Although I love that, yeah.

1011
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:20.099
Yeah.

1012
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:20.639
Yeah.

1013
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:21.300
Yeah.

1014
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:25.679
Chakotay is stranded on the other side, Nathan.

1015
00:45:29.099 --> 00:45:32.099
They should do the Red Dwarf, Joe. Well, quick.

1016
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:34.139
Let's get out of here before they send it back.

1017
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:39.900
I mean, he wasn't the most riveting of characters.

1018
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:42.119
We do have consensus on that. don't we?

1019
00:45:42.179 --> 00:45:46.619
But you remember the one episode where we thought, yeah, resolution

1020
00:45:46.619 --> 00:45:50.880
well, was resolutions and the consciousness.

1021
00:45:50.940 --> 00:45:53.460
That's the one shot romance that worked.

1022
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:55.860
We were trying to think of one the other week, weren't we?

1023
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.840
It really does work, doesn't it?

1024
00:45:57.900 --> 00:46:00.659
And it's sort of sad.

1025
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:06.059
You can see why they reject that and close the book on it, but it

1026
00:46:06.059 --> 00:46:06.539
is sad.

1027
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:11.280
Because they're chemistry in that episode is absolute best.

1028
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:14.340
Better than those scenes, you know, we had in Scorpion, where they

1029
00:46:14.340 --> 00:46:19.860
were, or equinoles, where we were just baffled by Chakotay styles

1030
00:46:19.860 --> 00:46:20.519
on the whole thing.

1031
00:46:20.579 --> 00:46:21.420
Yeah, yeah.

1032
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:22.199
Yeah.

1033
00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:23.099
No it was really good.

1034
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:26.639
So just there we got introduced to this new Vulcan character from

1035
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:30.420
Nova Squadron, and she's called Magell.

1036
00:46:30.780 --> 00:46:33.360
Uh, so the same as Magella.

1037
00:46:33.420 --> 00:46:34.619
Is her surname Barrett?

1038
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:38.760
No, she's Magel, but with an apostrophe, obviously, because she's

1039
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:39.719
a space person.

1040
00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:42.960
And she plays...

1041
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:46.019
But in this, they're still using, despite the fact that we're

1042
00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:49.739
computer generating, and they could do any crazy aliens that they

1043
00:46:49.739 --> 00:46:53.219
want, and they do a little bit, but they still go with the old

1044
00:46:53.219 --> 00:46:56.039
designs, the Andorans, the Vulcans, you know.

1045
00:46:56.099 --> 00:46:56.639
Yeah.

1046
00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:01.019
Well, like you said, this is the only time that the teller rights

1047
00:47:01.019 --> 00:47:01.679
have been made to work.

1048
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:06.480
Well, it's funny because Jankum doesn't look much like any other

1049
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:07.380
Telleride.

1050
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.239
He looks like a cartoon Telleride.

1051
00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:12.719
And I was a little bit surprised to see that he was a Telleride

1052
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:16.559
but Doctor, no, I think his name is, the Jason Alexander character

1053
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:20.519
or counsellor, Noom, looks a bit more like a traditional

1054
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:21.480
Telleride.

1055
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:23.639
What is this thing?

1056
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:26.280
Not there, it was beautiful.

1057
00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:30.000
There's a globe thing that's coming out warning them not to enter

1058
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:30.719
the anomaly.

1059
00:47:30.780 --> 00:47:32.639
Of course, it's an anomaly.

1060
00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:35.159
Yeah.

1061
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.500
Oh, Joe, we should go.

1062
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.860
I thought I'd had enough of these anomalies back in the day.

1063
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:42.840
But we don't know who that is.

1064
00:47:42.900 --> 00:47:46.679
And that weird globe bubble thing appears and starts talking to

1065
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:48.780
them and warning them and we don't know who it is.

1066
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.780
I'm hoping it to be Chakotay from the future.

1067
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.539
Hello, Captain June, maybe.

1068
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:55.320
Maybe.

1069
00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:59.880
I thought that was great, where he just falls from the ceiling.

1070
00:47:59.940 --> 00:48:03.539
And so this is the scene you mentioned before where he gets

1071
00:48:03.539 --> 00:48:05.880
escorted out and we see the door closed.

1072
00:48:05.940 --> 00:48:07.440
The door to the bridge closes.

1073
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:08.579
Away with you.

1074
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:09.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1075
00:48:09.780 --> 00:48:11.940
But it closes, but yes, there you go.

1076
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:13.380
And so he's locked out.

1077
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:13.980
Yeah.

1078
00:48:15.300 --> 00:48:18.119
So now he knows, he knows.

1079
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:20.159
Well, they all know, and they summing us up.

1080
00:48:20.579 --> 00:48:22.019
Yeah.

1081
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:23.099
Yeah.

1082
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:26.699
But it was like Dal letting her know that we know something.

1083
00:48:26.820 --> 00:48:31.500
Has she taken them to Voyager 4, a specific reason, or is it

1084
00:48:31.500 --> 00:48:35.400
literally what they said, that it's just a learning experience

1085
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:36.840
before going to the academy?

1086
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:38.460
Because I feel like there's something more there.

1087
00:48:38.579 --> 00:48:41.820
Oh, no, no, I think it is a definite reason.

1088
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:44.820
We do have a conversation here, but I'm not entirely sure what the

1089
00:48:44.820 --> 00:48:45.719
reason is yet.

1090
00:48:45.780 --> 00:48:49.619
I don't think, but they do, you know, like, because they are

1091
00:48:49.619 --> 00:48:50.460
involved.

1092
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:56.159
Um, and because Chakotay, whom they're trying to rescue is kind of

1093
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:57.900
responsible for them being here too.

1094
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.679
I just love the aesthetic down on this planet.

1095
00:49:01.739 --> 00:49:02.820
It's beautiful, isn't it?

1096
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.900
Yeah, these sort of dingy streets, but it's got an epic sort of

1097
00:49:06.900 --> 00:49:07.500
scale to it.

1098
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.500
I do remember when, you know, DS9 was doing the streets of

1099
00:49:10.500 --> 00:49:13.679
Cardassia, they just had a sort of the front of a warehouse and a

1100
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:14.159
light.

1101
00:49:14.219 --> 00:49:14.699
That was it.

1102
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:16.139
Okay, yeah.

1103
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:17.880
So here's her father.

1104
00:49:20.099 --> 00:49:22.440
So this is her father.

1105
00:49:23.579 --> 00:49:26.099
After or before?

1106
00:49:26.099 --> 00:49:30.119
Before he goes into the future and becomes a diviner.

1107
00:49:30.179 --> 00:49:37.079
No, so he look at bro and become he'll so he'll he will eventually

1108
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:41.280
like in the future, 50 years into the future or whatever, he'll go

1109
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:44.519
back in time in order to prevent 1st contact.

1110
00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:48.360
So 50 years into the future, Solum is devastated by a civil war

1111
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:50.579
course by 1st contact with the federation.

1112
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:53.579
He's one of the 100 people who goes back in time.

1113
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:57.659
He goes further back in time than Asencia, uh, and he goes back in

1114
00:49:57.659 --> 00:50:01.800
time to Tars Lamora, which is where the show starts.

1115
00:50:01.860 --> 00:50:05.039
So this is way before that's all happened before he's gone back in

1116
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:06.539
Taiwan. when he's just a nice fella.

1117
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:07.500
He's just a person.

1118
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:08.820
And it's really funny, actually.

1119
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:13.079
There's a moment Gwen can't properly say his name.

1120
00:50:13.139 --> 00:50:16.800
She's never said his name allowed before, and she hesitates as she

1121
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:20.699
says it, and he's just a normal person, and it turns out he's a

1122
00:50:20.699 --> 00:50:21.360
nice person.

1123
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:25.800
Like, he's a nice person, and he's kind of immediately supportive

1124
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:30.179
of her as his daughter, whereas, of course, she was just the

1125
00:50:30.179 --> 00:50:35.159
progeny, when the show 1st began, and something that the father

1126
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:41.400
owned and controlled, but didn't really kind of love in any way.

1127
00:50:41.460 --> 00:50:43.500
Now, this is all very intriguing.

1128
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:47.519
Chakotay in the future, the last known footage of Commander

1129
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:51.119
Chakotay on this dangerous mission where his 1st officer gets

1130
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:51.480
killed.

1131
00:50:52.139 --> 00:50:54.239
What the hell was that about?

1132
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:56.820
Oh, okay.

1133
00:50:56.820 --> 00:50:57.059
Yeah.

1134
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:58.860
Whoa, fell in battle. we, there he goes.

1135
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:02.699
So that's a Drake. who is the 1st officer.

1136
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:04.559
He's not there.

1137
00:51:04.619 --> 00:51:05.820
Kotai has done some.

1138
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.059
He's got very slim compared to...

1139
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:09.900
He's very trim.

1140
00:51:10.019 --> 00:51:12.539
Yeah, I think he's dyeing his hair again too.

1141
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:15.539
Tell Catherine.

1142
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:16.139
I'm sorry.

1143
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.139
But I'm doing this for you.

1144
00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:21.119
Now, is he talking to Janeway there?

1145
00:51:21.179 --> 00:51:22.320
Who's he talking to?

1146
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:26.820
Oh, no, he's just recording a recording, isn't he?

1147
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:28.860
Yeah, but he's addressing somebody.

1148
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:30.059
I'm doing this for you.

1149
00:51:30.300 --> 00:51:33.179
Oh yeah, no, he's saying tell Janeway.

1150
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:36.539
I'm doing this for you. doesn't so is it Janeway?

1151
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.059
Are they going to have a romance part again of the season?

1152
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:40.619
No, but look.

1153
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:42.539
Look, so this is what we discover.

1154
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:47.760
So he launches the proto star through that wormhole so it ends up

1155
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.079
in the past and it goes to Tarsamora.

1156
00:51:52.139 --> 00:51:56.400
And so, and that's where it buries itself and that's where they

1157
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:56.940
find it.

1158
00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.960
So Chakotay is the one who's responsible for them being able to

1159
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:02.460
escape from from there.

1160
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:07.260
And so if they change anything to do a Chakotay's mission, which

1161
00:52:07.260 --> 00:52:10.320
because they're there to extract him, then none of them would have

1162
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:13.619
met, and the series would not exist, and they wouldn't be in the

1163
00:52:13.619 --> 00:52:15.420
academy now, et cetera, et cetera.

1164
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:17.940
So there's huge stakes in both storylines, then.

1165
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:18.960
Yeah that's right.

1166
00:52:19.019 --> 00:52:23.039
And, um, that I will spoil it in one way.

1167
00:52:23.099 --> 00:52:27.719
There is a change to the timeline or what happens, but it doesn't

1168
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:30.420
affect our present sort of as far as I can tell.

1169
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:33.239
Things seem to continue initially the same way.

1170
00:52:33.300 --> 00:52:35.219
But very strange.

1171
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.360
And I keep seeing these, like as I was looking some stuff up in

1172
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:43.320
preparation for this, and all of the memory alpha articles, say

1173
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:47.400
original timeline, change timeline, and I was trying to avoid

1174
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:49.440
reading them because I didn't want to be spoiled.

1175
00:52:49.980 --> 00:52:53.820
Most people I've never had any tiny bit of sex, have they?

1176
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:56.280
No, we grateful to them.

1177
00:52:56.340 --> 00:52:59.579
I mean, we can have a lot of sex.

1178
00:52:59.579 --> 00:53:01.559
Instead of writing those articles.

1179
00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:03.780
We don't have to write the articles.

1180
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:06.780
We can just talk bollocks for an hour a week and then get on with

1181
00:53:06.780 --> 00:53:07.559
the rest of our lives.

1182
00:53:08.099 --> 00:53:11.820
There would be, that would be an interesting thing for them to do

1183
00:53:11.820 --> 00:53:12.059
though.

1184
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:13.860
Imagine they did change it.

1185
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:16.679
And then you could have like the Road Not Taken episode where we

1186
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:19.860
go back to series one and show, this is what happened.

1187
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:23.340
And I don't know, kill them all off in spectacular ways or

1188
00:53:23.340 --> 00:53:23.820
something like that.

1189
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:25.679
They're going to do that in a kid's show.

1190
00:53:25.739 --> 00:53:27.420
Just for the one off episode, you know?

1191
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:28.980
That's not fun to watch.

1192
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:30.000
Why is that?

1193
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:30.960
Who wants to kill?

1194
00:53:31.019 --> 00:53:31.739
Do they kill people in this show?

1195
00:53:34.860 --> 00:53:35.340
Probably.

1196
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:36.719
I can't really remember.

1197
00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:38.219
I can't think of that.

1198
00:53:38.219 --> 00:53:38.940
Let's keep an eye.

1199
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:39.840
Let's keep an eye out.

1200
00:53:39.900 --> 00:53:40.320
Yeah, okay.

1201
00:53:40.380 --> 00:53:40.980
Okay.

1202
00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:42.119
Okay.

1203
00:53:42.179 --> 00:53:43.079
Well, but I do like that.

1204
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.179
I like the fact that there are stakes in both timelines.

1205
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:49.920
So this planet is going to be roasted if she doesn't do what she's

1206
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:50.400
trying to do.

1207
00:53:50.460 --> 00:53:54.599
And uh, they never will have met if they...

1208
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:55.380
The show doesn't start.

1209
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:55.860
Yeah.

1210
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:58.860
Oh, well, then let's just leave Chakotay there then and not worry

1211
00:53:58.860 --> 00:53:59.219
about it.

1212
00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:04.260
He's not going to bring anything too interesting to the series, is

1213
00:54:04.260 --> 00:54:04.500
he?

1214
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:05.340
No.

1215
00:54:05.340 --> 00:54:08.159
He'll be sitting in that commanders chair.

1216
00:54:08.219 --> 00:54:09.119
Is he captain now?

1217
00:54:09.179 --> 00:54:10.440
Yes, yeah.

1218
00:54:10.500 --> 00:54:11.519
Captain Chakotay.

1219
00:54:11.579 --> 00:54:14.760
He'll be alongside Janeway by the end of the season, I promise

1220
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:15.000
you.

1221
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:16.019
Do you think?

1222
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:19.800
Yeah, this seems like a happy end of sort of a show to me then.

1223
00:54:19.860 --> 00:54:24.059
They're not going to kick him out in favour of stupid...

1224
00:54:24.059 --> 00:54:24.840
What's his face?

1225
00:54:24.900 --> 00:54:26.639
Robert Beltran.

1226
00:54:26.699 --> 00:54:27.659
Oh, no.

1227
00:54:27.659 --> 00:54:31.739
We do lots of complaints about Star Trek for during the writing

1228
00:54:31.739 --> 00:54:35.159
and now I'll see him being interviewed on the 7th rule, starring

1229
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:38.639
Sirok Lofton, saying, oh, how wonderful to be back in Star Trek.

1230
00:54:38.699 --> 00:54:39.300
Oh, yeah.

1231
00:54:39.420 --> 00:54:42.480
Did the work dry up after a weird complaint?

1232
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:48.000
I think it is wonderful that they're back in Star Trek.

1233
00:54:48.059 --> 00:54:51.480
You know, you do want Star Trek to wander off and do its own thing

1234
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:55.500
and obviously that's what discovery was for, and that's how it all

1235
00:54:55.500 --> 00:54:55.860
started.

1236
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:59.400
They even brought back Robert Duncan McNeil, didn't they?

1237
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:01.199
in an episode.

1238
00:55:01.260 --> 00:55:06.360
So he's been back twice in lower decks.

1239
00:55:06.420 --> 00:55:14.280
Once in an episode called We'll Always Have Tom Paris, and then in

1240
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:17.579
the most recent series where he's Nick Lucano and plays the big

1241
00:55:17.579 --> 00:55:18.000
bad.

1242
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:20.159
So he...

1243
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:25.320
I'll tell him, you think there's justice in Kurtzman Trek when...

1244
00:55:25.380 --> 00:55:28.320
And the worst robbers had 2 appearances. yeah that's right.

1245
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:30.780
Justice for TS9.

1246
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:32.579
I'm going to start waving the blackards now.

1247
00:55:34.019 --> 00:55:35.940
What's happening here now?

1248
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:39.000
He's sort of slightly sexier now too.

1249
00:55:39.059 --> 00:55:40.199
Look at his outfit.

1250
00:55:40.260 --> 00:55:43.320
Like when you see him in sort of long shot, I mean, he still looks

1251
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:46.800
like a sort of weird kind of guy, but he's got he's got a look.

1252
00:55:46.860 --> 00:55:50.880
He was he was definitely sort of terrifying old guy in series

1253
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:51.539
one.

1254
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:53.760
But now he's kind of a little bit younger.

1255
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:54.719
It's 50 years in the future.

1256
00:55:54.780 --> 00:55:55.619
Yeah, that's true.

1257
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:56.519
That's true.

1258
00:55:56.579 --> 00:55:58.139
I look pretty hot, you know?

1259
00:55:58.199 --> 00:55:59.400
30 years ago.

1260
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:05.400
What's going on now?

1261
00:56:05.460 --> 00:56:08.159
I have no clue what's occurring in this subplot.

1262
00:56:08.219 --> 00:56:08.940
There's a robot.

1263
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:12.780
Yeah, so that's a robot and of course that looks like the scary

1264
00:56:12.780 --> 00:56:16.920
robot from series one who's still in the opening credits, but he's

1265
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:18.000
just the librarian.

1266
00:56:18.059 --> 00:56:20.519
Um, so, yes.

1267
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:25.139
I would absolutely return all my books if that was the library.

1268
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:30.780
So they're consulting this to try and work out how she can best

1269
00:56:30.780 --> 00:56:33.360
convince the people of Solemn to listen to her rather than

1270
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:34.739
listening to a senseia.

1271
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:41.280
And so that's what putting her heirloom into this globe thing is.

1272
00:56:41.340 --> 00:56:43.019
And we learn about...

1273
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:46.199
Imagine how rich or what it would have been if they had done stuff

1274
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:46.559
like this.

1275
00:56:46.619 --> 00:56:47.340
You know?

1276
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:52.199
Like we said, have a series of episodes, have subplots going on on

1277
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:53.820
different worlds?

1278
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:56.340
I know, I know they were never going to do that.

1279
00:56:56.820 --> 00:56:58.739
It would have been great.

1280
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:02.400
But I think, you know, like we're lucky that we live in an age

1281
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:06.179
where TV now can do that, you know, I think.

1282
00:57:06.300 --> 00:57:09.599
So weird that both Star Trek and Doctor Who have had this thing

1283
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:13.679
where people that loved it then are making TV now.

1284
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:18.780
And the TV that they're making is just full of kisses to the past

1285
00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:20.699
and the stuff they love then.

1286
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:24.539
Yeah, but they're making it in sort of a modern mode.

1287
00:57:24.659 --> 00:57:28.980
So this serialised thing, which is so different from here we go.

1288
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:32.579
I suppose the big question is, is will the people what's in

1289
00:57:32.579 --> 00:57:36.659
Kurtzman Trek now, you know, the kids grow up to make television

1290
00:57:36.659 --> 00:57:39.480
and go, well, we're going to do loads of references to prodigy?

1291
00:57:39.539 --> 00:57:40.500
Lower decks?

1292
00:57:40.739 --> 00:57:42.599
That'd be something.

1293
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:52.440
Do you think, can I ask you a question about Kursman Trek in

1294
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:56.219
general, do you think this will be as, and once the sort of the

1295
00:57:56.219 --> 00:58:01.380
dust settles, will this be as remembered as original Trek and 90s

1296
00:58:01.380 --> 00:58:01.800
Trek?

1297
00:58:01.860 --> 00:58:03.659
Will it be as important?

1298
00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:09.539
Don't know because TV is so different and the audience is so

1299
00:58:09.539 --> 00:58:10.739
fragmented.

1300
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:16.980
You know, that when original Star Trek comes out, there's how many

1301
00:58:16.980 --> 00:58:20.760
TV networks, like 4 or something, I didn't even know about the

1302
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:23.340
history of American TV, it's probably less than that actually.

1303
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:26.519
It's, um...

1304
00:58:26.579 --> 00:58:28.440
There's such a flood of episodes, isn't it?

1305
00:58:28.500 --> 00:58:33.360
There's so much of it that it absolutely made its impact just just

1306
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:34.440
for how prolific it was.

1307
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.679
But I think Star Trek the Next Generation was a big deal because

1308
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:41.340
Star Trek had been a big deal and it was still successful films.

1309
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:45.480
Remember that, you know, the 1st 4 films come out before Next Gen

1310
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:46.019
starts.

1311
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:46.980
I think.

1312
00:58:48.059 --> 00:58:52.199
I don't want to dismiss everything else, but I think Strange New

1313
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.860
Worlds is the thing that will stand out from Possibly.

1314
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:58.079
That's the one where people will go, well, yeah, you remember

1315
00:58:58.079 --> 00:58:59.039
Curtis when Trek?

1316
00:58:59.099 --> 00:59:01.019
Oh, yeah, Strange New Worlds, wasn't that?

1317
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:03.239
It's definitely the one with the broadest appeal, I think, in

1318
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:04.619
design to be that.

1319
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:05.820
Yeah, yeah.

1320
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:07.920
It's designed to be the flagship, I think.

1321
00:59:07.980 --> 00:59:10.920
And it lets everything else free to be a little bit more weird.

1322
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:14.639
It's almost like they had to do a little bit of, sorry, I realise

1323
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:15.659
we're not talking about the plot.

1324
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:19.199
They had to do a little bit of discovery, um, to figure out how to

1325
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:22.139
do it, and then they did that strange new world sort of knockoff

1326
00:59:22.139 --> 00:59:23.760
in series 2 of discovering it.

1327
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:24.059
Right.

1328
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:25.260
Now we know what we've got to do.

1329
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:25.860
We could do that.

1330
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:26.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1331
00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:30.000
And meanwhile, back on prodigy.

1332
00:59:30.059 --> 00:59:35.460
So we're back in Shuttle Bay 3 or whatever, but we're trying to

1333
00:59:35.460 --> 00:59:38.940
get away in the infinity.

1334
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:42.059
So they've decided, I think, that they want to go, is that right?

1335
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:45.059
Oh, no, no.

1336
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:49.860
Um, they, they learned about the Infinity and then Dal was just

1337
00:59:49.860 --> 00:59:54.539
talking uh, in such a way that he got overheard about it, and so

1338
00:59:54.539 --> 00:59:59.159
Migel now knows about it, and she wants to stop them.

1339
00:59:59.219 --> 01:00:04.980
Dal is not trying to fly the ship into the wormhole.

1340
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:08.699
He's just trying to move it out of the way so that Migel and the

1341
01:00:08.699 --> 01:00:10.920
Nova Squadron don't catch them in it.

1342
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:13.500
But here they are.

1343
01:00:13.739 --> 01:00:15.780
I love all of this.

1344
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:17.820
Just nicking the share, taking it out.

1345
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:19.980
It sucked into the wormhole.

1346
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:23.639
You know, and what I love as well is that there's no resolution

1347
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:26.519
here, you'd think we'd have an opening 2 parter, and that will be

1348
01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:27.659
a contained story.

1349
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:28.320
Absolutely.

1350
01:00:28.380 --> 01:00:29.219
No, no, it's not.

1351
01:00:29.219 --> 01:00:31.679
You're kicking into episode 3 and this is still running.

1352
01:00:31.739 --> 01:00:34.559
And episode 3 is about something different.

1353
01:00:34.619 --> 01:00:37.260
It's said in a different place, you know, like it's still part of

1354
01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:38.280
this ongoing plot.

1355
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.440
Look at birth punching.

1356
01:00:40.500 --> 01:00:42.659
Look at punching the guy in the head.

1357
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:44.639
They're both grabbing Zero's arms.

1358
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:49.139
And he's about to be torn into...

1359
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.480
Oh, she does a...

1360
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:52.920
That's a falcon nerve pinch.

1361
01:00:52.980 --> 01:00:56.579
Yeah, and then Jane compresses the go button with his face before

1362
01:00:56.579 --> 01:00:58.619
he falls on the ground unconscious.

1363
01:00:58.619 --> 01:01:01.980
And I'm pleased here that they fall out the door.

1364
01:01:01.980 --> 01:01:05.519
So you get Rocktock was still on Voyager and you get the Vulcan

1365
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:06.480
character on the shuttle.

1366
01:01:06.539 --> 01:01:10.260
So we're shaking up who our regulars are because they're now going

1367
01:01:10.260 --> 01:01:11.159
through the wormhole.

1368
01:01:11.219 --> 01:01:11.880
Yes.

1369
01:01:11.940 --> 01:01:15.300
And I was a little bit concerned and I wondered whether it was

1370
01:01:15.300 --> 01:01:19.380
because Riley wasn't able to do the whole season or whatever.

1371
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:20.699
Do you know what I mean?

1372
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:21.780
Because I thought...

1373
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:23.940
I think they're just, no, they're just dividing the story.

1374
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:26.760
But for a moment I was a little bit worried because I love rock

1375
01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:27.840
and I...

1376
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.539
What it means now is we've got 3 lots of stories going on.

1377
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:34.139
Inside the wormhole with that bunch, on Voyager, with rock talk

1378
01:01:34.139 --> 01:01:37.019
and back on the planet with Lady U's name, I've forgotten again.

1379
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:38.699
Gwyn. you.

1380
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:41.039
I don't wash enough of this, all right?

1381
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:44.639
Look at that wormhole wowsers.

1382
01:01:47.699 --> 01:01:50.820
Oh, they got that animation on Janeway's shock's face perfect.

1383
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:53.639
Absolute Mulberry, that was. didn't they?

1384
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:56.280
Just a slight raise of the eyebrow.

1385
01:01:56.340 --> 01:01:58.320
And so this is where it ends.

1386
01:01:58.380 --> 01:02:01.079
It ends with them going into the wormhole, which is actually a

1387
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:02.940
great ending, isn't it?

1388
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:05.460
I think it's like what the hell is going to happen now.

1389
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:08.159
Looks beautiful, just...

1390
01:02:08.219 --> 01:02:11.940
I knew that's how music was coming and I was going to end and I

1391
01:02:11.940 --> 01:02:13.679
was going, no, come on, come on, come on.

1392
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:18.119
Really great.

1393
01:02:19.139 --> 01:02:22.860
Really engaging, really captured my interest.

1394
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:25.440
I still really like all the characters.

1395
01:02:25.500 --> 01:02:30.719
I like the new setting on Voyager and I'm really intrigued to see

1396
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:31.320
where it's going.

1397
01:02:31.380 --> 01:02:33.480
Yeah, it is a bit exciting, isn't it?

1398
01:02:33.539 --> 01:02:34.139
I am too.

1399
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:38.639
Again, I'm going to say it on the Kurtzman trick shows.

1400
01:02:38.699 --> 01:02:43.199
It's the animated ones that are holding my interest.

1401
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:43.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1402
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:44.519
They're awesome.

1403
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:49.860
And you know, I'm not saying I've got the intellect of a child

1404
01:02:49.860 --> 01:02:51.900
although some people could probably say that.

1405
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:55.139
But this just seems perfect for me.

1406
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:58.619
It's pitched at a level that totally sucked me in.

1407
01:02:58.679 --> 01:02:59.579
Oh, no, me too.

1408
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:00.119
Me too.

1409
01:03:00.179 --> 01:03:02.820
I think that's, you know, there's something there's a

1410
01:03:02.820 --> 01:03:03.960
straightforwardness about it.

1411
01:03:04.019 --> 01:03:07.619
The story is still sort of complex or the background is complex or

1412
01:03:07.619 --> 01:03:11.219
whatever, but it can't get too up its own backside.

1413
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:12.239
Do you know what I mean?

1414
01:03:12.300 --> 01:03:15.599
Because it still needs to be sort of accessible and comprehensible

1415
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:17.820
to the target audience.

1416
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:19.619
I just think it's really fun and great.

1417
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:22.320
And I think the genius of Kurtzman Trek, the thing that makes it

1418
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:26.519
better than Berman Trek in a way, is that what Berman Trek does is

1419
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:29.400
just sort of iterations of the same show in a slightly different

1420
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:34.380
environment, whereas each of the Kurtzman shows is vastly

1421
01:03:34.380 --> 01:03:34.920
different.

1422
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:38.579
You know, perhaps the 2 most similar ones are Discovery and

1423
01:03:38.579 --> 01:03:42.000
Strange New Worlds, and they're not particularly similar and

1424
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:44.880
everything else is really wild and like completely different

1425
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:48.900
genres like kids show and comedy cartoon.

1426
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:52.619
And I think that was absolutely a genius approach, and there

1427
01:03:52.619 --> 01:03:53.340
should be more of that.

1428
01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:59.280
I think, um, this is the last time I'm going to directly talk to

1429
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:03.179
the untitled Star Trek project audience, but you people out there

1430
01:04:03.179 --> 01:04:08.039
um, if you have resisted Star Trek prodigy, and you fancy watching

1431
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:12.480
a Voyager episode, which Kelsa Breeze is visually stunning, has

1432
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:16.739
likeable characters in it, great dialogue, and, you know, running

1433
01:04:16.739 --> 01:04:19.260
plots that are really interesting and engaging.

1434
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:20.639
Then check out.

1435
01:04:21.300 --> 01:04:22.260
Oh god, what was it called?

1436
01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:24.420
Into the Breach part one and two.

1437
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:28.320
Because I think you might just find yourselves quite surprised at

1438
01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:28.800
what you watch.

1439
01:04:28.860 --> 01:04:30.059
Yeah.

1440
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:31.139
I think so too.

1441
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:42.059
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

1442
01:04:42.059 --> 01:04:44.159
work out what we're doing next.

1443
01:04:44.219 --> 01:04:49.440
It was me who chose these episodes of Star Trek Prodigy, and so

1444
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:53.099
that means it's your turn now, Joe, what series are we picking?

1445
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:56.880
I am going to take us back to 90s trek again.

1446
01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:00.059
There's tons of it still to watch.

1447
01:05:00.300 --> 01:05:03.239
But I'm going to put all 4 series in.

1448
01:05:03.300 --> 01:05:07.800
Next Generation, Dick Space 9, Voyager, and Enterprise to see what

1449
01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:09.420
tasty selections we have.

1450
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:11.039
Okay.

1451
01:05:11.099 --> 01:05:12.719
I'm hoping for Enterprise.

1452
01:05:12.780 --> 01:05:13.559
Let's see how we go.

1453
01:05:13.619 --> 01:05:15.119
Be disappointed then.

1454
01:05:15.179 --> 01:05:20.340
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is, oh God, what is it with

1455
01:05:20.340 --> 01:05:21.360
us in season seven?

1456
01:05:21.420 --> 01:05:22.019
Yeah.

1457
01:05:22.019 --> 01:05:25.199
Season 7 episode 19?

1458
01:05:25.260 --> 01:05:26.699
Q2?

1459
01:05:27.179 --> 01:05:30.239
Uh, I don't know what one.

1460
01:05:30.300 --> 01:05:33.780
That's the one with John DeLars's son in it who comes onto the

1461
01:05:33.780 --> 01:05:38.699
ship to sort of seduce Echeb to the dark.

1462
01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:39.300
Oh my god.

1463
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:43.019
At one point he turns engineering into a nightclub.

1464
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:45.659
He removed 7 of 9 clothes.

1465
01:05:45.659 --> 01:05:50.099
And rather wonderfully, she just goes, what do you want me to do?

1466
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:52.260
especially to be embarrassed by this.

1467
01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:54.539
Look at me.

1468
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:56.579
I'm Jerry Ryan and Jerry Ryan.

1469
01:05:57.059 --> 01:05:59.280
Let's not watch that one.

1470
01:05:59.340 --> 01:06:03.300
We've done so much We'll have, we'll literally finish Voyager

1471
01:06:03.300 --> 01:06:05.039
season 7 and then have to watch the rest.

1472
01:06:05.099 --> 01:06:06.000
Yeah.

1473
01:06:06.059 --> 01:06:07.619
It'll be our 1st full season.

1474
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:11.099
Obviously, the randomisers feeling kind by offering me skin of

1475
01:06:11.099 --> 01:06:12.480
evil from the next generation.

1476
01:06:12.539 --> 01:06:14.820
We will be covered.

1477
01:06:14.940 --> 01:06:17.099
Oh, another queue episode.

1478
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:21.179
Your random star for the next generation episode is, oh, yes

1479
01:06:21.179 --> 01:06:22.199
please can we do this?

1480
01:06:22.260 --> 01:06:24.179
Season three.

1481
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:25.559
Episode 13.

1482
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:30.719
Dejar Q. It's the one where he has all of his powers taken off

1483
01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:30.960
him.

1484
01:06:31.019 --> 01:06:33.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1485
01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:33.960
That sounds great.

1486
01:06:34.019 --> 01:06:36.539
It's our proper sitcom Next Generation episode.

1487
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:39.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1488
01:06:39.059 --> 01:06:40.380
Yeah, properly hiked.

1489
01:06:40.380 --> 01:06:42.179
Do you ever he turns up on the bridge completely naked?

1490
01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:44.039
Naked. on the floor.

1491
01:06:44.099 --> 01:06:48.239
Well, so the thing is that they were trying to shoot it and he had

1492
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:51.360
a modesty pouch on and because it's John DeLancey.

1493
01:06:51.420 --> 01:06:54.000
They couldn't make it work and he said, oh, no, fuck it.

1494
01:06:54.059 --> 01:06:55.559
And he just took it off and they didn't do it.

1495
01:06:56.760 --> 01:07:02.039
I think he'd be allowed to do that now, and rightly so, perhaps.

1496
01:07:02.099 --> 01:07:04.739
But he certainly did it then.

1497
01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:08.699
I just remember there's this sort of gaseous entity. that is

1498
01:07:08.699 --> 01:07:11.579
winding up at the start of the episode. and then when his powers

1499
01:07:11.579 --> 01:07:13.320
are gone, he keeps tormenting him.

1500
01:07:13.739 --> 01:07:15.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1501
01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:17.340
A guy that takes her opportunity.

1502
01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:18.900
Stabs him with a fork.

1503
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:23.699
I think he tries to seduce Beverly Crusher as well.

1504
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:28.320
It's just, it's crazy antics, but at a point where they figured

1505
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:29.400
out how to do it, you know?

1506
01:07:29.460 --> 01:07:30.239
Yeah.

1507
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:31.440
Oh, how far?

1508
01:07:31.500 --> 01:07:32.400
Oh, let's see if it lands.

1509
01:07:32.460 --> 01:07:33.179
That would be really cool.

1510
01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:36.000
Oh, yeah, proper comedy lands by series three.

1511
01:07:36.059 --> 01:07:39.599
Even the end, dude, he's on the bridge like a karanka.

1512
01:07:39.659 --> 01:07:40.980
He's got his Mexican band.

1513
01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:45.059
Let's do it Alright, brilliant.

1514
01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:56.760
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1515
01:07:56.760 --> 01:08:00.719
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

1516
01:07:59.880 --> 01:08:03.300
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1517
01:08:03.300 --> 01:08:04.199
media accounts.

1518
01:08:04.260 --> 01:08:08.039
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1519
01:08:08.039 --> 01:08:09.780
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1520
01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:14.760
This episode was recorded on the 23rd of July 2024 and released on

1521
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:15.599
the 2nd of August.

1522
01:08:15.659 --> 01:08:20.279
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, Deja Q

1523
01:08:36.899 --> 01:08:42.840
Okay, we should say something now, but it's hilarious.

1524
01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:46.260
Well, I should, you can do that.

1525
01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:47.520
I should leave you to do that.

1526
01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:48.720
You're a funny one, video.

1527
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:51.899
Something hilarious.

1528
01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:53.579
Okay. something hilarious.

1529
01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:56.100
Well, because they're going to say something for the people.

1530
01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:58.500
The last...

1531
01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:01.859
They like to have an insight into our relationship.

1532
01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:04.979
Yeah, this is a bit where we're off.

1533
01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:07.560
I should start taking my clothes off now then, really, shouldn't

1534
01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:07.680
I?

1535
01:09:07.739 --> 01:09:09.539
Well, it's audio.

1536
01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:12.779
Oh, yeah, but that's not for their benefit is for yours.

1537
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:13.739
Noisily.

1538
01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:15.239
I'm trying to tell them.

1539
01:09:15.300 --> 01:09:16.619
Well, we normally go out to.

1540
01:09:18.539 --> 01:09:21.180
Oh, no, we're about to watch a kids show.

1541
01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:22.619
I should start on, anyway.

1542
01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:24.420
I'm wearing a star junk shirt.

1543
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:25.739
I'm not wearing any trousers.

1544
01:09:25.859 --> 01:09:26.699
You know?

1545
01:09:26.819 --> 01:09:27.180
Oh, really?

1546
01:09:27.180 --> 01:09:28.800
It's just a t-shirt and box of shorts.

1547
01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:30.659
And the sort of, oh, make it.

1548
01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:31.979
Too cold for that.

1549
01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:35.100
I've got about 5 letters. roast in here, if I'm honest.

1550
01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:35.939
Yeah.

1551
01:09:35.939 --> 01:09:37.079
What's roasting?

1552
01:09:37.079 --> 01:09:39.000
Like a 23 degrees or something.

1553
01:09:39.060 --> 01:09:46.560
You look like Vedic bottom league is what you look like. do not

1554
01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:47.340
disturb on now.

1555
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:49.920
This is what people want to see.

1556
01:09:49.979 --> 01:09:52.619
I still think that the best tag was that one recently where you

1557
01:09:52.619 --> 01:09:54.840
were just humming the Star Trek.

1558
01:09:54.899 --> 01:09:58.439
No, the best one ever was when you was talking about the fence.

1559
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:03.420
I just painted it the colour of shit, you went.

1560
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:08.819
Have you had any more terrorist attacks on your back garden since

1561
01:10:08.819 --> 01:10:09.539
the last one?

1562
01:10:09.659 --> 01:10:10.380
No, no.

1563
01:10:10.380 --> 01:10:14.880
I think that the, I think the graffiti repellent paint repels

1564
01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:17.100
graffiti and, I mean, don't get any anymore.

1565
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:19.140
They've moved on elsewhere now.

1566
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:20.760
Maybe they have.

1567
01:10:20.819 --> 01:10:24.239
I'm assuming crime's not too bad in your neck of the woods.

1568
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:25.680
No.

1569
01:10:25.739 --> 01:10:28.079
Whereas you've been to my road.

1570
01:10:28.140 --> 01:10:30.000
Crime is prevalent around here.

1571
01:10:30.060 --> 01:10:31.199
Yeah.

1572
01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:34.920
Yeah, there's a lot of broken things and a lot of weed.

1573
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:39.659
A lot of weed wafting out of the various houses.

1574
01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:43.319
Did I ever tell you about the time when the man broke into my back

1575
01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:45.720
door and he was half naked and covered in blood?

1576
01:10:46.979 --> 01:10:50.579
Uh, was it Mark?

1577
01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:53.579
No, I was with Ludo at the time.

1578
01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:54.960
Oh, my goodness.

1579
01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:55.859
Yeah, we're sitting there watching it.

1580
01:10:55.859 --> 01:10:58.140
I was like, you know, when you become aware, something's not right

1581
01:10:58.140 --> 01:10:59.159
in your environment.

1582
01:10:59.220 --> 01:11:00.119
Like something's shifted.

1583
01:11:01.020 --> 01:11:05.100
I didn't hear him coming in and the door was open because it was a

1584
01:11:05.100 --> 01:11:06.300
hot summer's day.

1585
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:08.460
This fellow was there, literally ripped.

1586
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:12.420
He was gorgeous and he had blood all over his chest.

1587
01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:18.600
No top on, and really sweaty, and a beer in his hand, a bottle of

1588
01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:19.500
glass bottle of beer.

1589
01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:20.100
What?

1590
01:11:20.100 --> 01:11:23.340
I know, and I went, who the hell are you like that?

1591
01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:26.579
And he saw me and I was literally in boxers that day as well when

1592
01:11:26.579 --> 01:11:30.720
Ludo's there with me and he's going, uh, gazer, like that.

1593
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:32.520
And I'm like, I'm gonna fucking kill him.

1594
01:11:32.579 --> 01:11:34.859
So I went for him and Ludo's standing between us.

1595
01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:39.899
Turns out he was the drunken grandson of my neighbour who was

1596
01:11:39.899 --> 01:11:40.739
still alive at that point.

1597
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:43.260
There were a woman that lived there.

1598
01:11:43.979 --> 01:11:46.500
They come in the wrong back gate.

1599
01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:48.960
He thought he was coming into her house.

1600
01:11:50.340 --> 01:11:53.939
And she was weird enough, and bless her, God bless her.

1601
01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:55.199
Am I going all a bit long now?

1602
01:11:55.260 --> 01:11:57.600
No, no, this is gold.

1603
01:11:57.659 --> 01:12:00.659
There was one time when I was like, because I used to sit and

1604
01:12:00.659 --> 01:12:01.739
write my Star Trek reviews.

1605
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:03.899
I referenced them sometimes in the episodes.

1606
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:06.539
Do you remember I used to write them in the, oh, did I know you

1607
01:12:06.539 --> 01:12:06.720
then?

1608
01:12:06.779 --> 01:12:07.739
I think I did.

1609
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:10.319
I used to write them in the dead of night, like sort of 3 in the

1610
01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:10.619
morning.

1611
01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:11.939
The computer was downstairs.

1612
01:12:11.939 --> 01:12:13.800
And again, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1613
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:16.079
And you've got the door there, you know, that leaves outside.

1614
01:12:16.140 --> 01:12:17.520
Well, they didn't have a fence then.

1615
01:12:17.579 --> 01:12:19.680
So the 2 gardens were inside each other.

1616
01:12:19.739 --> 01:12:20.760
Yeah, yeah, right.

1617
01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:23.640
And I didn't realise you'd come out in the garden.

1618
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:25.739
She didn't realise I'm typing on the computer.

1619
01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:28.199
I look up, she looks up.

1620
01:12:28.260 --> 01:12:30.060
She's in the dark, yeah?

1621
01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:36.960
And she sort of goes, and claw talons came up and I was like, oh

1622
01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:37.500
my god.

1623
01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:40.199
Luna woke up and ran down the stairs and said, are you all right?

1624
01:12:40.260 --> 01:12:41.939
I was like, there's a witch in the gold.

1625
01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:43.800
He went, no, it's just a neighbour next door.

1626
01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:48.300
This is a small insight into what happens in Winchcombe Road in

1627
01:12:48.300 --> 01:12:48.840
Eastbourne.

1628
01:12:48.899 --> 01:12:50.460
Oh my goodness.

1629
01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:53.579
We can't put that out because that would compromise your upset

1630
01:12:53.579 --> 01:12:55.680
saying where exactly you live, wouldn't it?

1631
01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:56.699
No, I don't care.

1632
01:12:56.760 --> 01:12:59.579
Jesus Christ, let the hype well can come.

1633
01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:03.000
There's 60. no there's 265 houses on this road.

1634
01:13:03.060 --> 01:13:06.000
Anyone could get the hate. down, though, I suppose.

1635
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:09.180
All those fans of sub Rosa. are sending their letters in.

1636
01:13:09.539 --> 01:13:12.659
Well, you were very positive about that, Rosa.

1637
01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:13.439
We was.

1638
01:13:13.500 --> 01:13:14.520
We like the ducks.

1639
01:13:14.579 --> 01:13:15.180
We actually were.

1640
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:17.520
We were pretty positive about meridian, you know.

1641
01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:20.220
Given how terrible it was.

1642
01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:23.819
Yeah, yeah, I've come to the conclusion.

1643
01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:26.279
This would be the last thing I should say for the tag now.

1644
01:13:26.340 --> 01:13:30.600
I've come to the conclusion that the worst sort of Star Trek is

1645
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:35.039
sort of the mid-dull Star Trek, like the masterpiece society

1646
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:35.399
yeah?

1647
01:13:35.460 --> 01:13:37.079
And sort of, you know, 0 god.

1648
01:13:37.140 --> 01:13:40.020
Yeah, this is unendurably mid.

1649
01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:44.039
Whereas the terrible stuff, we can just laugh our heads off.

1650
01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:45.000
That's quite fun. generally.

1651
01:13:45.060 --> 01:13:47.579
And the great stuff, obviously, the good to great is really fun to

1652
01:13:47.579 --> 01:13:47.760
watch.

1653
01:13:47.819 --> 01:13:52.140
Well, I think, like, the episode that's made me angriest that

1654
01:13:52.140 --> 01:13:52.680
we've done.

1655
01:13:52.739 --> 01:13:54.180
Angriest one.

1656
01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:55.500
Yeah.

1657
01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:57.600
Can you think what it is?

1658
01:13:57.659 --> 01:13:59.279
Yes, it's that enterprise episode.

1659
01:13:59.340 --> 01:14:00.779
Was it Stigma?

1660
01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:02.220
Oh, cogenitor.

1661
01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:02.579
That was it.

1662
01:14:03.300 --> 01:14:04.140
Yeah, yeah.

1663
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:07.079
Like, I thought there was a lot to be said for that.

1664
01:14:07.140 --> 01:14:08.460
Do you know what I mean?

1665
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:11.699
Like, I didn't think it was an uninteresting hour of TV.

1666
01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:15.180
I think maybe the, what was the other one with the terrorists and

1667
01:14:15.180 --> 01:14:15.420
stuff?

1668
01:14:15.420 --> 01:14:21.060
and it was just like, like, I get annoyed at series, it was

1669
01:14:21.060 --> 01:14:22.020
Promised Land.

1670
01:14:22.079 --> 01:14:22.859
Was it promised land?

1671
01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:25.079
Well, we did a couple of weeks back, chosen around.

1672
01:14:25.500 --> 01:14:26.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1673
01:14:26.220 --> 01:14:28.319
The one where we've got angriest at each other.

1674
01:14:28.380 --> 01:14:33.720
We don't have them very often was Equinox part 2 when I was

1675
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:38.220
advocating for alien murder and you as a poor pilot.

1676
01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:40.079
They were people.

1677
01:14:40.859 --> 01:14:43.260
They were just slime of ghosts.

1678
01:14:43.260 --> 01:14:45.600
Yeah, they were probably evil.

1679
01:14:45.659 --> 01:14:46.380
Star Trek.

1680
01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:48.359
So it's nice to know we don't just laugh.

1681
01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:51.779
I'll wait for a living thing. we do get very passionate indeed.

1682
01:14:51.899 --> 01:14:55.800
Yeah, right, but I'm not going to be very passionate about this

1683
01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:56.039
one.

1684
01:14:56.100 --> 01:14:57.779
Although I didn't think it was pretty fun.

1685
01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:01.260
All right, here goes.

1686
01:15:04.380 --> 01:15:06.600
Hey, Joe. Hi.