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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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Today, we're going back to what is my 1st love, which is Star Trek

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the Next Generation, the very, very 1st Star Trek series that I

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got to know and love, and I was watching it as it was being

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released.

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I didn't sort of discover it later.

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Well, I discovered it a bit later, but we're about to watch

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episodes that I can actually remember seeing for the 1st time.

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Do you know, there's an interesting difference between the 2 of us

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similarity and difference.

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The similarities next generation is my 1st Star Trek show as

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well.

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And yet you know where my love is.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I acknowledge that Deep Space 9 is better in all kinds of

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ways.

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But I'm not talking about like, which is a superior show.

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Like, that's my default.

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I love DS9 and yours is your default.

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I love next generation, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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But Next Generation can occasionally be kind of tedious and I

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think we're going to discover during this episode that it does...

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That it reaches a point where it does feel a little bit played

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out.

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So we...

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Yeah.

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So we are watching the very last season finale leading into a

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cliffhanger.

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So the series 6 finale, descent, which screened, what, in June

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1993.

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And then we're going to watch descent part two, which is obviously

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the season opener for series 7, which I think screened in what

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September or something?

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There wasn't a massive break between them, I think.

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And I think there was a reason for that as well. as we just talked

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about very briefly off mic.

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Season 7 of Next Generation was rushed into production because

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they were eager to make the films on the back end of this and they

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had like a time frame to do that.

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So the whole of series 7, they basically had a month less prep

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time for scripts, for post-production, for all of it.

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Now, I don't really know where you forward season 7 of the next

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generation.

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I think it is potentially the worst season of Star Trek in terms

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of hit rate.

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And so I think maybe that rush production shows a tad.

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Well, I mean, it's complicated by the fact that Star Trek, the

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Next Generation, takes a couple of seasons to work out what it's

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doing at all.

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And, you know, I think both series one and series 2 have some good

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episodes, but generally speaking, it was a big relief to all of us

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when series 3 came along and there was a kind of sense that they

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knew what they were doing.

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It raised a flaw improvement in quality, I would say.

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Yeah. the pillar effect.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So the floor is raised quite substantially and so is the ceiling, I

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think.

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And where is Michael Pillar at this point?

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He's chipped over to DS9 in the beginning of season 6 of the next

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generation.

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Yeah. and leaving Jerry Taylor, Brandon Bragger, Ronald D. Moore

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Irish, Stephen Bear.

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These are really good Star Trek writers.

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So, and I think you said to me before, season 6 is where you can

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kind of see the rot starting to set in.

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It's a little bit hard to tell because when I look back at the

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list of series 6 episodes, there are some incredibly good ones.

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There are some absolute classics there.

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I rate Series 6, actually. generation.

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I think it might have been at the time that I, Australia had a

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very, very weird history of getting Star Trek on television and

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trying to watch it was actually a bit of a pain and it came out

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very, very late and then it was late at night and shown out of

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order and all sorts of nonsense.

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Like it was a bit of a problem.

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But I remember watching series 6 for the 1st time and seeing a lot

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of new producer credits and things at the beginning.

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And maybe it was just that, you know, series 5 had been so good.

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And it just might have been that new Star Trek effect, you know, oh

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I'm not sure about this.

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But looking back on it, I think it's a really strong series.

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Whereas series 7, I think, feels a little bit exhausted.

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It feels a bit played out.

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A little bit exhausted.

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Every other episode is reunions with long lost family members.

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For family members coming back from the past.

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Ron Moore says in an interview that they just didn't know what

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they were doing in Series 7.

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They have no plan.

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They basically were making a series of television in order to get

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to the movies.

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And remember, they were concurrently writing Next Generation and

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Deep Space 9 and the movies.

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And we know from another franchise that if your attention is

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spread across several shows.

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The quality dips a little bit.

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And I think that probably is the case here.

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I mean, there must be in pre-production for Voyager at this point

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as well.

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That was happening too.

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No, that was happening too.

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Yeah, so that's a lot to juggle.

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Yeah.

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And I think maybe the show that's on its way out is the show that

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suffers because that's where you take your eye off the ball a

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bit.

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I think too, possibly, and we will see this when we start watching

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this episode, that the show probably now feels that it can rely on

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audience goodwill towards the characters to just get us to watch

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Star Trek things where they're just chatting with one another.

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Well, they can rely on your goodwill towards the characters

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because you bloody love them.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I want to kind of quantify when I say it's the worst season

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for me because I think season one is worse than season seven.

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But they didn't know any better in season one.

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Whereas they absolutely knew better in season seven.

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Yeah, the show had hit highs at this and they knew, you know, a

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formula for success.

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Yeah, and you can tell that, you know, like at the same time Deep

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Space 9 is starting and even though it doesn't find its feet

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immediately, It is sort of straight away more interesting because

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there's new things to do.

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And they haven't quite worked out exactly what new things they can

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do, but you can see them exploring the territory.

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And there are some very strong episodes.

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There are some very interesting interviews at the time where the 2

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seasons where TNG and DS9 were concurrent with each other, where

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the TNG crew were looking at what was going on over at DS9, because

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remember they poured more money into that DS9 pilot, and they knew

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what was going on over there, and they weren't happy.

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They were like, okay, you know, like, we're the show, you know

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like...

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I also want to say before we go into descent.

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Season 7 also produced low decks, parallels, what's that amazing

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Riker episode, the Pegasus, all good things.

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They still had it.

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They just had it far, far less frequently than they did before.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Well, what do you think?

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we get started?

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Well, we've got an hour and a half worth of TV to watch.

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We've been had.

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All right, so I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Now, this is super weird because I think this is a brilliant

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scene.

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Like it's really, really great.

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It's hilarious.

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It's really funny.

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So we've got Stephen Hawking as himself.

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He's turned up to Guest Star, which I just think is wonderful.

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That's a little thing that makes me happy.

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Do you know, Brent Brent's minor says that this was the highlight

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of his entire run working the next generation was the day he got

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to work with Stephen Hawkins.

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Yeah, that's brilliant.

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And hawking is great in it as well.

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You know, like his mobility and stuff give him sort of very

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limited ability to kind of react, but his smile when he...

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Not the Apple story again.

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He also gets he gets that incredibly funny line to Einstein, where

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he says wrong again, Albert, which is a proper physics joke, and I

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think it's just adorable.

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What the fuck is that with Albert Einstein's makeup, though?

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So he has played or will play Einstein again.

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I think that he's their kind of go-to Einstein guy.

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But why they cast a younger man and put him in that much fucking

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later.

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I mean, it's Star Trek, right?

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They think latex...

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It's...

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Feltric makeup can be pretty good, but that is not good.

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I've only seen one worse piece of old age makeup, and that is in

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the X-File series 2, where they aged up Mulder and Scully.

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And honest to God, the makeout came about a metre out from their

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faces.

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Like they look like bloody mutants.

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Yeah, they had they had mutants in the X-Files that look less like

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mutants than them as they were outfeeble.

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No, it is a very, very strange choice.

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And so the teaser obviously has to be about what the episode's

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going to be about.

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And I think that something's happened here because this scene is

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played like the teaser.

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I expect that we would go into the opening credits from here.

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But in fact, for the only time in the show's run, we actually then

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go to this scene on the bridge, data's leaving the holodeck now

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and heading off onto the bridge.

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And look, we're getting the opening credits, which would normally

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happen after the, after the title sequence.

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It's the only time this happened in the entire franchise.

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I think in Berman Trek anyway.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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No, and it is clearly because they've decided that that sequence

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while it's fun, doesn't actually do anything to establish what

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this episode is about.

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But thank God it's there because it's the only bit of fun in our

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episode.

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Well, I'm not sure about that.

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I think there are one or 2 other fun moments.

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And I think too, that they could perhaps afford to rely on the

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goodwill that the show had at this point.

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And the fact, look, it's not just being made for fans either.

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It does have a general audience.

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Like, it's...

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It was a big hitter in the ratings at this point.

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And they basically said they could chun out anything and it would

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get good numbers.

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Pint of did, you know.

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And they prove that, yeah.

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But whilst you say yes, you absolutely can rely on the goodwill of

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the audience that you've built up, should you do that?

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No, here's this Matt painting that we've seen a 100 times.

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Oh, no, don't even, I love the map.

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Look at that.

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The beautiful sky rolling across and then everything else is

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still.

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And he is another generic next generation era set as well.

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But look, so there's blood all over this woman's body.

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I'm a I think this woman.

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Which is quite nice, actually, because I tell you what, I said to

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you when I watched this.

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It all felt a bit sanitised and a bit clean.

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So it is nice that there's a bit of bloodier, you know.

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Yeah, I mean, Star Trek is a bit sanitised and a bit clean until

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sort of discovery season one where there's blood all over the

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place and people being tortured and stuff.

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I love those.

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Hang on.

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Do they not have the credits in this then?

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Yeah, no, they come later, but they come really quite late.

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So he's going to open.

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So are they trying to suggest this is a bit like a movie doing the

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credits early?

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No, I think that they have just...

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I think it's a late decision probably.

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Um, And you don't want the credits distracting you from a big

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action scene or anything particularly tense.

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Oh, it's a Borg.

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Who knew?

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Oh my god.

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I mean, how, okay, that camera shot there.

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The way it lazily goes across to the door.

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Like, that should be a jump shot. so undramatic.

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And it's now that the opening titles are here, that last scene

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going into the opening credits has to hit, because that's what the

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tease is for, and it is so leisurely.

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No, it's really not very good.

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And I think a lot of the direction across this 2 parter is very

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like, oh, God, it's...

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Oh, is it?

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Is it a singer or someone?

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Yeah, but do you know what Alexander Singer?

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Do you remember the finale of DS9 series 3, the adversary, when

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the changeling's on the Defiant?

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He directs that and that is tense and claustrophobic and amazing.

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Maybe someone had a word with him after this.

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And that was made, that was, well, it was only made a year after

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this.

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If you don't learn how to direct in a year.

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Yeah, but you might.

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Who knows?

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But then like we said, remember, they had a month less to prepare

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for this.

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So maybe just it was just rushed.

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Move the camera, quick, get over there. series six.

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This is the end of series six.

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Maybe he's just telling.

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Yeah, sorry.

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Yeah.

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Maybe.

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Maybe they're all a bit tired.

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Now, we can't hear the fabulous next generation theme tune that's

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playing right now, but do you know what?

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It's one of those themes, right?

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Where I've heard it so many times and it's so engrained in my

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childhood.

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There's so much nostalgia involved with it, but I think it's

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actually quite good.

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But I think it's probably actually quite shit.

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Well, it is certainly better than what they were originally going

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to go with the Dennis McCarthy one.

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That was the original untitled Star Trek project.

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How dare you?

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How dare you?

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That was our placeholder theme while we were in pre-production.

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Yeah, you see, we almost rolled with that.

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Very close.

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So this scene, you see, this is an action sequence, a very poorly

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directed action sequence where you don't want the opening credits

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over it.

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You don't want us to be distracted by the opening credits and it's

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short and you don't want it to straddle a bunch of scenes as

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well.

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So, do you know, with the action right, Ron Moore says, I've got

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an interview here in my fabulous next generation photo book. where

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Ron Moore says he was writing dynamic action into the script

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right?

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And then he was seeing the rushes coming through, and it's these

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ridiculous shots of people like coming out from a console, shooting

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going back in a console, and it's just so boring, and he was like

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I wrote it to be really dynamic.

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And interestingly, when he went on to do Battlestar Galactica, he

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built in an extra day into the shooting of every single episode.

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So this is done in 7 days.

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Battlestar Galactica was done in 8 days, specifically, so they had

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a day for the action to make the action as good as possible.

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No, because this is this is kind of bad and it needs to be

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better.

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And there's no real sense of where anyone is and what's going on.

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And they're artificially inflating the stakes by doing something

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I'm talking over a very important scene because this is Data's 1st

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emotion.

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Stop it.

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It throttles this Borg.

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And then so we get to...

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I'm sorry.

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I'm thinking the way he's going, stop, stop.

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It's just very very camp.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's what he does.

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He goes camp when he's going evil.

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So, So this has now done its 1st red shirt, and I don't know that

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Star Trek the Next Generation has ever done this before, but

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Ensign Carelki or something comes down.

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We've never heard of her and she gets shot dead.

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There are 3 red shirts.

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She's the 1st of 3 red shirts and of course they're wearing gold

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because they're security in Star Trek the Next Generation.

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I think there is red shirtery for our next generation.

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I don't think it's unique.

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I think that it's not something that they've lent into in any way

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as much as they did with Star Trek, the original series.

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It's not really a thing.

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But I think as well, with NextGen, they would probably try and

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characterise them a little better to make the deaths hit as well.

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But this is that I mean, we don't know that person, do we?

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They're absolutely original.

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Well, there's an episode, there's an episode called the bonding in

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series three, I want to say, which is about a red shirt, like an

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archeologist who dies on an away mission and the whole episode's

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about that.

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What was that?

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Did you see that Matt painting that just came up again?

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It was exactly the same shot now.

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Barry Lett 7 got two.

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You don't you don't use the same effects shot twice because people

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then start figuring out how you did it.

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Yeah, I think we know how they did it.

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Lazy.

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Very lazy.

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I can't ever notice we've completely skipped over the fact that

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the Borg are here and they're just a bunch of autonomous robots

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now rather than, well, there is something super creepy about them

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in because...

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Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, in this, they snarl, the captive Borg later on is

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enumerating how to kill people, like how do you kill a Klingon

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with your bare hands, how do you kill a person with your bare

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hands?

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You have them.

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Any humanoid alien Star Trek character could have those lines.

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Like the thing that was unique about the Borg was the fact that

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they didn't have any emotion.

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Yeah, that's right.

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So, so, it's not prima facie a terrible idea to, to unsettle us

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with the Borg being kind of feral.

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Like why are the Borg behaving like this?

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That's a reasonable mystery to set up.

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And I do think that the way that they've sort of dovetailed that

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with data's acquisition of emotions is pretty good too, because

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that's been a running thing, since what, brothers or something?

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Is it brothers where Sung gives, like, um, law makes off with the

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emotion chip that was uh, designed for data?

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That's the one, yeah. yeah.

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And really clever as well.

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You've got Brent Finer playing 3 characters, I think, in that.

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Oh, talk about shitty ageing makeup.

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Holy cr...

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The worst they ever do.

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Do you remember that Admiral in series one?

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Too short a season.

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He gets progressively older and his face gets more mutated.

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Bigger and bigger.

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That's the latest...

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I think this is, you just mentioned data, so I think this is

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probably a point where I should drop something that's going to

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lose us half our audience. as far as I'm concerned.

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And that is, I think he is a okay character, but I think this show

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is far too obsessed with data and he really isn't that interesting

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to me.

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So I think that when this was 1st cast, the idea is that it's a

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space procedural, it's Star Trek.

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And if you think about original Star Trek, the only action, well

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like the 3 main characters, you know, um, uh, Kirk McCoy and Spock

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are interesting, not really because of their character concepts

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although maybe Spock is, but just because of the performances of

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the actors, right?

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The 3 of them work really well.

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And the chemistry between the 3 of them.

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The chemistry and the fact that they're opposing viewpoints being

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represented in this sort of group of people.

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Do you think they're doing the same thing here then?

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No, they don't seem to set up 3 people.

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They do want a bigger regular cast from the start.

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Yeah.

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But they set data up to be a little bit like Spock in that he's an

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outsider who kind of, but whereas Spock is contemptuous of

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humanity, not quite, but, you know, conflicted about his own

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humanity.

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Data has this sort of different relationship.

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And Spock's super serious and data is very childlike.

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Don't get me wrong.

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I think data as a character can work, and I think there are some

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stunning episodes around him.

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A measure of a man.

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The one when he has the daughter, the offspring is really good.

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Data's days really fun.

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But I feel like, and it's like 7 of 9 with Voyager, you know, it's

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an interesting-ish character, but they just, they're obsessed with

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the character.

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And then you get to the later seasons and it happens with that and

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it happens with 7 when they just sort of run out of things to do.

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And then, you know, and so now we're doing evil data.

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And then in a couple of weeks, we've got data's long lost mother

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coming along.

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And then, you know, halfway through the season, we're going to do

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Frankenstein with data and then we're going to do masks with data

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and it's just like, oh, give it up, you know, like, he's all right

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but they're bloody obsessed.

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And I think Brent Spiner is a really good actor and I think he's

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got a near impossible task to deliver emotion without delivering

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emotion.

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Yeah.

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And he excels at that.

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Yeah.

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Oh, he...

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Oh, let's pull one out.

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Now she should have been a regular because the way she grabs

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Picard's nuts every time she sees him.

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Well, do you remember there's that blonde admiral in Picard who

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tells Picard to fuck off or whatever.

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Shut the fuck up, didn't you?

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Yeah, imagine if that had been Kachev, though.

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Now, she could have got away with it because she's tough as

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nails.

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But you know what, right?

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Picard's such an arrogant.

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The fact that she emasculates him so much.

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These scenes are just a joy, aren't they?

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Well, so except though, the problem here is that this is just

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telling the viewers at home what happened in Iborg.

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And now you would do that with a previously on Star Trek, The Next

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Generation.

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Now, they only ever do that for part 2 of a two-parter.

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But that's routine on television now. and I think it's an

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improvement.

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And Well, because this is all exposition, isn't it?

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It's all exposition, except there's a moral dilemma, right?

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But who cares?

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Like the moral dilemma doesn't properly land because...

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But Nathan is Admiral Nachev.

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Who cares?

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Yeah, no, no, she's fabulous.

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Look at her hair, isn't it?

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I know.

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She's really great.

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But Picard is clearly in the right here and she's in the wrong.

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Like once Hugh is a person, you can't poison him and send or

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infect him.

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Like that was the plan.

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Remember the plan was to store a shape in his memory that would

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like a computer virus, essentially, that would kill all of the

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Borg.

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And you kind of think, well, we're not going to do that.

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Like, this is Star Trek.

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We're just not going to do that.

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And not even the kind of debased Star Trek in series one of

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Discovery would just, well, they were going to blow up the Klingon

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homeworld, I guess.

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But like it just would never have happened.

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So it's a kind of stupid fake dilemma and it doesn't go anywhere

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about the episode.

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I do remember the scenes between Picard and the Borg where he's

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basically telling him, you are a Borg.

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That's all you'll ever be. he's properly, seriously angry.

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Can I this is your moment of comedy, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But so Councillor Pervy Troy.

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No, well, he's been watching porn to see if he can rouse an

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emotion and her reaction is so great.

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And part of the problem with Deanna as a character, when she

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starts off, she's such a good girl.

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She's so boring.

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She's super boring.

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And and like...

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It's what we said before.

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Do you remember the high concept alien characters?

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They try to do that. where she was, you know, always hearing

506
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:23.099
people's thoughts and things like that.

507
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:26.700
And now at this point, she's just marina certis having fun, you

508
00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:26.880
know?

509
00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:30.900
Well, I reckon she properly becomes Marina Syrtis in 1st contact.

510
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:32.700
And there's pissed.

511
00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:33.420
Yeah, yeah.

512
00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:37.440
There's bits of marina certis shining through and she's dumped.

513
00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:40.920
She gradually dumps the accent from series one and just does her

514
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:43.859
normal English accent with it just a...

515
00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:46.619
Jellico's got her out of that ridiculous dress.

516
00:24:46.619 --> 00:24:49.079
And she looks sexy as hell in the uniform.

517
00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:51.240
Yeah, they should always have had that.

518
00:24:51.299 --> 00:24:54.839
It's just that Roddenbury was such a sex pest, you know, that he

519
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:59.160
wanted everyone in sort of, I don't know, tiny pants and things.

520
00:24:59.220 --> 00:25:04.619
Um, It is um, you know, there is a thing about Councillor Troy and

521
00:25:04.619 --> 00:25:08.759
section, because in Sub Rosa, that classic episode where the

522
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.160
Crusher has lots of orgasms with a ghost.

523
00:25:11.819 --> 00:25:16.380
There's a fabulous scene where her and Troy are in those.

524
00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:19.200
Do you remember those leotards that they work out in?

525
00:25:19.259 --> 00:25:23.880
And they're doing all these bizarre moves and then she's going, you

526
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:26.339
know, oh, I had these amazing erratic dreams.

527
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:27.720
And Counsellor Troy.

528
00:25:27.779 --> 00:25:28.740
I like, oh, tell me more.

529
00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:32.279
No, no, it's quite fun though.

530
00:25:32.339 --> 00:25:34.980
Because you don't get a lot of that in an extreme, so it's

531
00:25:34.980 --> 00:25:35.700
quite...

532
00:25:36.539 --> 00:25:40.259
She's all about sensuality, isn't she, Counsellor?

533
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:41.339
Is she like said chocolate?

534
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:42.599
Goddess of empathy.

535
00:25:42.660 --> 00:25:44.400
Oh, God.

536
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.240
Oh, can we do that one?

537
00:25:48.299 --> 00:25:49.079
hilarious.

538
00:25:50.220 --> 00:25:55.259
Yeah, I mean, I really like her because I like Marina.

539
00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:58.859
And so like when they turned up, for instance, in Picard's season

540
00:25:58.859 --> 00:26:03.119
one, they were great and it was lovely to see them again.

541
00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:05.819
Don't even pretend to me that that was Councillor Troy and write

542
00:26:05.819 --> 00:26:06.059
it.

543
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:07.559
No, that was just that was Marina.

544
00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:10.200
That was the free one. just hanging out. reactors.

545
00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:11.099
That's right.

546
00:26:11.220 --> 00:26:13.200
South California, wherever they were.

547
00:26:13.259 --> 00:26:13.859
Yeah, yeah.

548
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:14.759
Nothing wrong with that though.

549
00:26:14.819 --> 00:26:18.299
So it's interesting that talking about the emotion ship here

550
00:26:18.299 --> 00:26:18.660
aren't they?

551
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:19.200
Yeah.

552
00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:23.940
Because Brandon Bragg says, they introduced it here, so they could

553
00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:26.519
play about with it in the movie because then he gets the emotions

554
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:27.000
full time.

555
00:26:27.059 --> 00:26:27.599
Do you know what?

556
00:26:27.660 --> 00:26:30.960
I think he's less interesting when they give him emotions, you

557
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:31.079
know.

558
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:34.500
I'm not sure that I like his performance as much, like Brand's

559
00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:36.539
performance as much as data with emotions.

560
00:26:36.539 --> 00:26:40.319
And in generations, he's frequently a bit of an asshole.

561
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:44.700
Is it because we've become used to this very childlike, lovely

562
00:26:44.700 --> 00:26:45.240
data?

563
00:26:45.299 --> 00:26:47.759
And then suddenly he's a bit, he can be a bit nasty, a bit

564
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:48.539
sarcastic.

565
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:49.559
Yeah, but it's not that.

566
00:26:49.619 --> 00:26:51.599
I don't think he's quite as charming as he is.

567
00:26:51.660 --> 00:26:54.180
Like, I just don't think he's quite, yeah, it's charmed.

568
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:56.279
We like dates as Pinocchio.

569
00:26:56.339 --> 00:26:56.880
Don't we?

570
00:26:56.940 --> 00:26:57.180
Yeah.

571
00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:00.720
But like in that scene, like part of the problem with that scene

572
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.299
that we just had, and look at how leisurely this is.

573
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:07.319
So we've had a scene of Admiral Nache of just talking to Picard.

574
00:27:07.380 --> 00:27:10.259
Now we had a scene of data talking to Deanna.

575
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:15.180
Now we're all kind of standing around the bridge and there just

576
00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:19.740
isn't the urgency that this needs, I think.

577
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:23.339
And, you know, there's a sense in which we're trying to give it

578
00:27:23.339 --> 00:27:27.000
some scale by having all of these systems around here on full

579
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.460
alert, but we never see any of them.

580
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:31.380
And so it is just talk.

581
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:35.460
Even the enterprise is very stately going across.

582
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:37.559
I mean...

583
00:27:37.619 --> 00:27:40.500
I can't now, but no, everyone was tugging at their uniforms out

584
00:27:40.500 --> 00:27:42.900
and I watched them interviews recently where they were all

585
00:27:42.900 --> 00:27:47.519
lamenting the fact that that horrible fabric always creased up and

586
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.799
they had to spend half their day, tugging it.

587
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:54.480
Because, wait, Rick Berman insisted that they always looked as

588
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:55.859
cleanly ironed.

589
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.140
But they had to do it all the time.

590
00:27:58.200 --> 00:27:58.619
Yeah.

591
00:27:58.740 --> 00:28:03.660
Well, they don't have the 39th century fabrics that they have in

592
00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:06.299
discovery these days or whatever century it is.

593
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:09.180
Oh, do you see Picard getting angry there?

594
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:10.740
I don't want excuses, number one.

595
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:11.819
I want answers.

596
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:13.859
He says, sorry, instantly.

597
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:14.700
He turns around.

598
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:16.980
There's just a little moment of conflict, but we're not going to

599
00:28:16.980 --> 00:28:17.460
have it.

600
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:18.480
There's going to be no tension.

601
00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:19.619
He's just going to be super nice.

602
00:28:19.740 --> 00:28:21.599
They should have kept Jellicoe.

603
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:26.400
And he said to him, oh, anything else, I've told you to get out

604
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:26.880
you know?

605
00:28:26.940 --> 00:28:32.700
But, I mean, this speech, again, is just rehearsing this thing

606
00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:34.920
from a previous episode, we'd been here.

607
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:39.059
Do you think they think we need this, though?

608
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:40.619
like we can't remember.

609
00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:46.740
Well, I think that they do, but like, it's it's clumsy, I think.

610
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.880
The other thing too is I think that scene between Deanna and Data

611
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:55.380
wouldn't have been as necessary if that opening scene had been

612
00:28:55.380 --> 00:28:58.740
better directed and better acted by Brent.

613
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:02.880
So if it was clear to us, I think it is clear to us that he's

614
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.039
properly angry, although he goes a bit camp.

615
00:29:05.099 --> 00:29:07.380
Like he doesn't seem dangerously angry.

616
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:11.579
I think this is a better actor to seem, though, where he's in the

617
00:29:11.579 --> 00:29:13.980
holiday because he's trying to create data.

618
00:29:14.099 --> 00:29:17.339
And there's absolutely no anger in his voice and he's just saying

619
00:29:17.339 --> 00:29:18.539
stop it, stop it, stop it.

620
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.299
But if we had seen him experience pleasure.

621
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:24.660
If we had seen how satisfied he felt...

622
00:29:24.900 --> 00:29:27.660
No, no, no, I'm not saying, you know, but if we had seen him feel

623
00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:30.900
properly satisfied at killing that Borg, that would have been a

624
00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:31.619
shocking thing.

625
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.980
Whereas what they're relying is the line of dialogue, that last

626
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:37.259
line of dialogue in that scene where he says, I believe it was

627
00:29:37.259 --> 00:29:37.799
pleasure.

628
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:42.240
And so telling us rather than showing us is the problem and it is

629
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.000
a, well, interestingly, in episode two.

630
00:29:45.059 --> 00:29:49.259
There is a scene where he's torturing Geordie and he does seem to

631
00:29:49.259 --> 00:29:52.559
be enjoying it and it's super uncomfortable to watch.

632
00:29:52.619 --> 00:29:55.980
So maybe maybe it wouldn't have been...

633
00:29:56.099 --> 00:29:58.859
Well, it makes a difference whether he's torturing Geordie or

634
00:29:58.859 --> 00:30:00.480
killing a Borg, like, go for it.

635
00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:01.740
Killer Borg, you know.

636
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.180
I just think the ball seems so much less interesting.

637
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:07.200
Yeah, they do.

638
00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:12.599
I mean, initially the, the, well, it's difficult because what do

639
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:12.900
you do?

640
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:14.640
Do you bring them back?

641
00:30:14.700 --> 00:30:19.019
So this is our last chance at a big season ending 2 parter.

642
00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:23.880
The previous one, the very 1st one that we ever did was best of

643
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:28.559
both worlds, and it has rightly gone down in TV history as one of

644
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:33.240
the best end of season, you know, like of any type of show.

645
00:30:33.299 --> 00:30:35.819
And all the other shows are doing it now after that.

646
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:39.180
Well, a lot of people, a lot of shows say this is our best of both

647
00:30:39.180 --> 00:30:41.880
worlds because they have that big game changing clipout.

648
00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:45.779
I think this is trying to do because it's building up to a

649
00:30:45.779 --> 00:30:48.779
cliffhanger where in best of both worlds it was Picard that was

650
00:30:48.779 --> 00:30:49.019
bad.

651
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:51.119
In this, it's data that was bad.

652
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.759
And it's like, we're going to bring down the federation and in the

653
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:54.839
in the best of both worlds.

654
00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:57.299
We're going to go to sector 001 and take down the earth.

655
00:30:58.619 --> 00:31:00.720
What went wrong then?

656
00:31:00.779 --> 00:31:05.759
Because best of both worlds is amazingly good and it's bolstered

657
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:10.859
by rock solid characterisation throughout and a sense of like

658
00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:12.420
impending doom.

659
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:16.980
Yes, that's precisely what it has and what this doesn't have.

660
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:20.099
This doesn't have any sense of urgency.

661
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:21.480
Now he's...

662
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:22.799
Just think about this on the holodeck.

663
00:31:22.859 --> 00:31:24.539
You know, like, it doesn't feel like there's any stakes, does

664
00:31:24.539 --> 00:31:24.779
there?

665
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:25.380
No, at all.

666
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:28.619
So it's the planet Oni Arca 3 that we couldn't possibly care about

667
00:31:28.619 --> 00:31:30.059
and we never actually see.

668
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:36.539
And, you know, like, um, and and the colonies in this sector who

669
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:40.259
just seem to be inhabited by dunderheads who can't tell what's a

670
00:31:40.259 --> 00:31:41.519
Borgship and what isn't.

671
00:31:41.579 --> 00:31:44.700
You know, like and who we never see.

672
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.779
And so it's all peril that's happening to people that we don't

673
00:31:48.779 --> 00:31:49.440
know about.

674
00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:54.779
Whereas we have the ball cube heading to sector 001.

675
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.359
They met both as well, so much.

676
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.759
Remember, there was the whole thing about Riker being offered

677
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:00.359
another ship.

678
00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:00.779
Yes.

679
00:32:00.779 --> 00:32:03.599
That was super interesting because it was like, where's Riker

680
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:04.259
going to leave the show?

681
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.680
And then at the end of the episode, Riker's got to make the

682
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:08.039
decision.

683
00:32:08.099 --> 00:32:10.079
Oh my god, is Picard going to leave the show?

684
00:32:10.140 --> 00:32:12.539
Like, you really cared about what was going on.

685
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:14.160
You know data's not going to stay bad.

686
00:32:14.220 --> 00:32:16.319
They're not going to get rid of data.

687
00:32:16.380 --> 00:32:18.960
They're not going to have him as this great villain to take down

688
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:19.619
the Federation.

689
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.619
You know at the end of episode 2 is all going to reset and it'll

690
00:32:22.619 --> 00:32:24.180
be back being Pinocchio on the bridge again.

691
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:25.079
Yeah, yeah.

692
00:32:25.140 --> 00:32:25.799
Yeah, that's right.

693
00:32:25.859 --> 00:32:30.599
And, and, you know, with a, with a show like this that isn't

694
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:35.759
serialised where everything, every episode ends with a return to

695
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:44.220
the status quo, what the interest is not, It's like a, uh, It's

696
00:32:44.220 --> 00:32:46.980
like a Doctor Who cliffhanger or something, you know, like it's

697
00:32:46.980 --> 00:32:49.680
not, is the doctor going to be killed at the end of the episode?

698
00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:52.200
It's how is he going to get out of this?

699
00:32:52.259 --> 00:32:55.259
And that's what's interesting here.

700
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:57.720
How is he going to get out of it?

701
00:32:57.779 --> 00:33:03.480
But, you know, I think you kind of know it's going to be just some

702
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:04.319
hand waving.

703
00:33:04.380 --> 00:33:07.740
Yeah, well, and that's, you know, science explanation.

704
00:33:07.740 --> 00:33:09.240
Yeah.

705
00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:11.880
And that's going to be another problem and we'll get to that, I

706
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:12.119
think.

707
00:33:12.180 --> 00:33:14.700
I mean, do you remember the best of both of us?

708
00:33:14.700 --> 00:33:16.319
I was talking about a superior episode here.

709
00:33:16.380 --> 00:33:19.559
But what was so interesting there was that whole plot about Riker

710
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:23.519
taking on the Melbourne, then the Melbourne is destroyed in the

711
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:24.059
2nd episode.

712
00:33:24.059 --> 00:33:25.259
So had he done that?

713
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:28.920
And it just adds all this weight. and guess what?

714
00:33:28.980 --> 00:33:30.839
That was written by Michael Pillar.

715
00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:34.380
Well, and also you've got Elizabeth Denahey there as Commander

716
00:33:34.380 --> 00:33:35.039
Shelby.

717
00:33:35.099 --> 00:33:35.819
Is that Shelby?

718
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:36.299
Oh, my God.

719
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:37.859
Can I just say can I say the line, please?

720
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:38.759
Go on.

721
00:33:38.819 --> 00:33:42.059
Excuse me, commander, but you're in my way.

722
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:44.400
She's so good.

723
00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:48.539
She's gotten the Nache of effect of grabbing the men by the nuts.

724
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:53.339
But also, also, so you've got this is Riker going to leave

725
00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:57.240
somewhere comfortable in being, so another red shirt went down, by

726
00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:59.099
the way, handsome.

727
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:00.599
We're about to find out.

728
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:03.660
He's Ensign Mitchell. actually played out from the best of

729
00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:04.259
Franklin.

730
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:05.400
Franklin is dead.

731
00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:09.420
He was looking, he was looking, he was so funny.

732
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:10.800
We should have commented on that.

733
00:34:10.860 --> 00:34:14.460
He is standing in the background of that scene, trying to find

734
00:34:14.460 --> 00:34:15.000
something to do.

735
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.579
But he's in like a dead space because he needs to be able to fall

736
00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:20.820
back.

737
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:21.780
Yeah, yeah.

738
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:23.940
He's doing little reactions and everything.

739
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.420
He gets my award. the fabulous woman who's at the con?

740
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.780
Oh, she's lovely, James.

741
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:32.820
She gets lines all the time.

742
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:34.079
Is that killed her off?

743
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:35.699
That would have been unforgivable.

744
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:37.199
Yeah, no, they won't do that.

745
00:34:37.260 --> 00:34:40.380
I remember that sequence playing out with the Borg appearing on

746
00:34:40.380 --> 00:34:44.579
the ship in best of both worlds and it was directed by Cliff Bowl

747
00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:47.159
and it was tight close-ups.

748
00:34:47.219 --> 00:34:50.579
It was vastly edited, and then they took Picard at the end, so

749
00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:51.420
they had massive stakes.

750
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:52.440
Yeah, yeah.

751
00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:54.960
It was just dreary, that sequence.

752
00:34:55.019 --> 00:34:56.820
Yeah, that's using up running time.

753
00:34:56.880 --> 00:35:00.539
And then again, you really care about that man who fell back.

754
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:01.920
Well, I did a bit.

755
00:35:01.980 --> 00:35:02.579
He was handsome.

756
00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:03.900
Well, he was cute.

757
00:35:04.260 --> 00:35:05.460
Oh, no.

758
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:06.539
There she is.

759
00:35:06.539 --> 00:35:11.039
But she does a very strange acting choice here where Picard.

760
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:11.460
Really?

761
00:35:11.460 --> 00:35:12.480
Really, Nathan?

762
00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:18.719
Well, um, like, I think the Gates McFadden is charming and she's

763
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:22.380
likeable in real life, and I think that he's a, there's a Bajoran

764
00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:22.860
there.

765
00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:26.159
Well, they weren't into Federation.

766
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:27.360
Oh yeah, of course there's some Rowe.

767
00:35:27.420 --> 00:35:28.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

768
00:35:29.219 --> 00:35:34.320
So, you know, like he says, wake him up and she says it's going to

769
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:35.039
be risky.

770
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:36.960
And then he says, just do it anyway.

771
00:35:37.019 --> 00:35:38.039
And she says, all right.

772
00:35:38.099 --> 00:35:40.920
And it's kind of like, why are you playing it like that?

773
00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:45.119
You know, like it's like, oh, well, you know, okay.

774
00:35:45.179 --> 00:35:49.440
I spend every scene that Gaze McFadden is in asking the question

775
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:50.460
why are you playing it?

776
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:52.380
Look at, she just stands in the background, they're looking like a

777
00:35:52.380 --> 00:35:52.739
zombie.

778
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.320
Well, she was pressing some buttons on her tricorder just now.

779
00:35:55.380 --> 00:35:58.139
I don't know what quite what she's doing.

780
00:35:58.199 --> 00:35:59.219
She was playing Tetris.

781
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:05.519
I mean, you know, maybe she is charming.

782
00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:08.219
I think she can be quite charming in like, you know, like the

783
00:36:08.219 --> 00:36:12.360
poker scenes and scenes with Wesley, where she kind of has

784
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:13.139
something to cling on to.

785
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:17.099
The 2nd she's just like the doctor or like delivering plot

786
00:36:17.099 --> 00:36:21.179
information or having to emote in any great way.

787
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:24.059
I'm sorry, it's out of her out of her ability.

788
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:29.579
I just, let's just think about data's day where she teaches data

789
00:36:29.579 --> 00:36:30.059
to day.

790
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:31.619
It's her best scene.

791
00:36:31.619 --> 00:36:32.820
It's so wonderful.

792
00:36:32.940 --> 00:36:34.139
Do you know why that is?

793
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:35.159
She's a dancer.

794
00:36:35.219 --> 00:36:37.019
Because she's a dancer, not an actress.

795
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:43.139
You know, I like her as old Beverly in all good things as well.

796
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.619
I think that there's a more relaxed performance there.

797
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.739
I'm surprised she wasn't in Picard, you know.

798
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.079
Oh, series 2 is coming.

799
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:52.440
Who knows?

800
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.559
It would be great, wouldn't it?

801
00:36:55.619 --> 00:36:57.119
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

802
00:36:57.179 --> 00:36:58.739
But more of that, like the older bit.

803
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:00.420
Oh, she is the older Beverly now, isn't it?

804
00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:01.260
Yeah, that's right.

805
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:06.599
But like it just seems like an acting choice that she's made that

806
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:10.139
she's going to be concerned and caring and that it ends up just

807
00:37:10.139 --> 00:37:14.340
coming off as sort of fairly wooden and uninteresting to listen

808
00:37:14.340 --> 00:37:14.940
to.

809
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:16.739
Do you know what's happened here, right?

810
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:17.760
Is that we've had...

811
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:21.239
A brief action sequence and then a load of talk.

812
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:22.739
And then a brief action seat.

813
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:24.659
Well, that's Star Trek's generation, though.

814
00:37:24.900 --> 00:37:30.960
Well, it is, yeah, but I feel like they did learn how to structure

815
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.139
and give momentum to these season finales.

816
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:39.239
Like, do you remember a call to arms, the DS9 season 5 finale?

817
00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:42.659
And I think that rivals best of both worlds. which builds up to

818
00:37:42.659 --> 00:37:45.480
that huge action sequence in the station.

819
00:37:45.539 --> 00:37:47.460
And then they read, they take the station from them.

820
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:48.239
Yeah, yeah.

821
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:50.579
So it's got it's got massive ramifications.

822
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:55.619
Like, I think maybe they learnt lessons from descent and episodes

823
00:37:55.619 --> 00:37:56.400
of this.

824
00:37:56.400 --> 00:38:01.019
Like, Times Arrow is kind of cute, but again, it's very mundane.

825
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:04.619
Oh, except that it goes somewhere that Star Trek hasn't been to

826
00:38:04.619 --> 00:38:09.539
before and it has a charismatic guest actor and there are stakes

827
00:38:09.539 --> 00:38:10.619
that involve Data.

828
00:38:10.739 --> 00:38:11.820
I think it's really fun.

829
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:13.320
And I think, excuse me.

830
00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:16.440
Excuse me, there's only one actor that's worth talking about in

831
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:17.099
Times Arrow.

832
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:18.119
Mr. Pickett?

833
00:38:18.179 --> 00:38:19.679
I need to be talking to you.

834
00:38:19.739 --> 00:38:21.119
She's wonderful. great.

835
00:38:21.179 --> 00:38:22.139
Do you remember...

836
00:38:22.139 --> 00:38:24.480
What jealous Oberon?

837
00:38:24.539 --> 00:38:25.860
Barrous depends.

838
00:38:26.579 --> 00:38:28.199
What's her name?

839
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.219
So yeah, Mrs. Carmichael.

840
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:33.300
Mrs. Carmichael.

841
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:36.360
Now, here we have my favourite type of blocking where one

842
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:38.460
character is speaking to another character, the back of another

843
00:38:38.460 --> 00:38:39.480
character's head.

844
00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:43.260
So that we, the viewers at home can see both of their faces.

845
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:44.880
I do it all the time, you know.

846
00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:47.400
I'd never address someone directly.

847
00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:49.500
I just turn my back on them and just look at the wall.

848
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:50.280
Yeah, exactly.

849
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:56.099
And here, I think, is one of the big problems with the episode.

850
00:38:56.219 --> 00:39:05.820
And it is that this Borg is trying to seduce data and and does it

851
00:39:05.820 --> 00:39:06.480
successfully.

852
00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:09.300
We don't see the, well, not to fuck him.

853
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:11.699
No, but to seduce him to the dark side, right?

854
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:16.679
He's trying to, he's been left behind, essentially, on the bridge

855
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:19.260
in order to do this, I'm assuming.

856
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:20.460
That's my head cannon.

857
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:24.119
That's the plan. is to get in there, get inside Data's head.

858
00:39:24.179 --> 00:39:28.079
And here he is talking to Data about how much he enjoyed the

859
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:30.900
emotions and the emotions here are sort of characterised like a

860
00:39:30.900 --> 00:39:33.960
drug, you know, he would kill Geordie to get more of them.

861
00:39:34.019 --> 00:39:37.019
And that's the big kind of reveal.

862
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:41.340
And Brent is doing a reasonably good job here, I think, because he

863
00:39:41.340 --> 00:39:45.900
looks a bit distressed without dropping his normal data persona.

864
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:48.239
That is hard to do, like kudos to him.

865
00:39:48.300 --> 00:39:49.199
That's hard to do.

866
00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:52.860
Yeah, look, I mean, he's visibly emotional there without not being

867
00:39:52.860 --> 00:39:53.760
like data.

868
00:39:53.820 --> 00:39:56.039
Later on when he shows other emotions.

869
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.280
He goes all camp and is a bit like a slightly more restrained

870
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:00.179
version of law.

871
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:05.039
And throughout, like data has wanted to experience emotions like

872
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:06.840
that, has been a thread throughout the entire world.

873
00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:10.679
So it is plausible that he would do anything for that experience.

874
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:12.480
But here's the problem.

875
00:40:12.539 --> 00:40:16.019
We actually see a close-up of the Borg's arm where he activates

876
00:40:16.019 --> 00:40:20.219
this control on his arm and a green light flashes and then it

877
00:40:20.219 --> 00:40:21.900
starts having this effect on data.

878
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:28.559
So all of this conversation is, you know, it doesn't need to work

879
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:33.059
on a kind of normal level because there are space reasons for data

880
00:40:33.059 --> 00:40:34.980
turning to the dark side.

881
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:40.019
And then when it's resolved next week, spoilers, they use a

882
00:40:40.019 --> 00:40:43.260
technological solution rather than moral persuasion.

883
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:45.179
And I think that's more boring.

884
00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:48.539
So you think it would be more interesting if data made the

885
00:40:48.539 --> 00:40:48.780
choice?

886
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:50.940
Yeah, without being forced.

887
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:51.900
Yeah.

888
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:52.800
Yeah, of course.

889
00:40:52.860 --> 00:40:53.579
Yeah, it would.

890
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:54.119
It would.

891
00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:56.039
And that's easy.

892
00:40:56.099 --> 00:40:57.300
That's harder to do.

893
00:40:57.420 --> 00:41:00.420
Oh, I still think it, I still think it would be plausible.

894
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.000
Like, it is something that he has yearned for from the 1st

895
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:03.420
episode.

896
00:41:03.539 --> 00:41:06.179
He says, I would give up anything to be human.

897
00:41:06.300 --> 00:41:07.199
Yeah.

898
00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:07.860
Yeah.

899
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.860
And see, the trouble is that we don't have time.

900
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:12.780
Well, maybe we do have time.

901
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:14.880
Maybe if we weren't standing around just.

902
00:41:14.940 --> 00:41:17.699
We've been talking about Onyoka free for the last half an hour.

903
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:21.059
They've mentioned on yucca free about 15 times.

904
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.280
Yep, we haven't even seen the last 10 minutes.

905
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:26.460
Dreadful filter they put over it.

906
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:31.440
Oh, it's like this red filter to make it look like it's a really

907
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:32.219
hot planet.

908
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:32.760
Yeah.

909
00:41:32.820 --> 00:41:34.500
Well, I like that that's an effort.

910
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:35.699
They're doing something at least.

911
00:41:36.059 --> 00:41:38.219
Trying to make it look.

912
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:39.300
Oh, look, now, look.

913
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.300
It's on your screensaver now that we can see a shot upwards of the

914
00:41:42.300 --> 00:41:43.440
fabulous bridge ceiling.

915
00:41:43.500 --> 00:41:44.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

916
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:45.599
It is great.

917
00:41:45.659 --> 00:41:47.940
It's a very strange set.

918
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.940
Worf hasn't done much in this episode, has he?

919
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.940
No, well, he got the last 2 parter, didn't he?

920
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.980
No, the previous one. the one before that.

921
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:57.780
Do you know, it is a thing, you know.

922
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.239
I think it is the Law of Diminishing Returns.

923
00:42:00.300 --> 00:42:03.300
Best of both worlds, fantastic redemption.

924
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:08.699
Great Times Arrow, good descent poor.

925
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:11.460
It just kind of got worse as they went along, wouldn't it?

926
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:12.239
It's funny.

927
00:42:12.300 --> 00:42:14.639
TV has largely dropped this or am I wrong?

928
00:42:14.699 --> 00:42:17.099
Like certainly Discovery and Picard.

929
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:19.920
Neither of them do cliffhanger.

930
00:42:19.980 --> 00:42:21.420
Super.

931
00:42:21.420 --> 00:42:21.719
Yeah.

932
00:42:21.780 --> 00:42:26.039
There was a shocking development at the end of series 2 of lower

933
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:28.920
decks, which is almost a cliffhanger.

934
00:42:28.980 --> 00:42:34.199
But, and I guess it's a love letter tonight, he's trek, so it can

935
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:34.860
do that sort of thing.

936
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:39.960
I quite like it, though, you know, the, the, the, and the

937
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:41.460
cliffhanger into the next season.

938
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:44.280
Yeah, I do like wrapping up a story, though.

939
00:42:44.340 --> 00:42:47.039
I mean, I think wrapping up a story and maybe a surprising

940
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:49.920
development at the end is not a bad thing, but I also think you

941
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:51.360
don't want to rob your series opening.

942
00:42:51.420 --> 00:42:54.599
Well, you know, you know what you don't, you know why they don't

943
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:55.559
do it anymore, don't you?

944
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:57.840
It's because they cancel shows left, right, and centre.

945
00:42:57.900 --> 00:43:00.539
I don't want to cancel it on a cliffhanger because that has

946
00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:01.139
happened, isn't it?

947
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:04.260
Roswell and things like that that ended up with cliffhangers.

948
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:05.519
Alf.

949
00:43:05.579 --> 00:43:06.599
What was the cliffhanger there?

950
00:43:06.659 --> 00:43:10.980
Alf gets taken away by the US Air Force to be experimented on.

951
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:13.079
That was never explained.

952
00:43:13.139 --> 00:43:15.119
Oh, no.

953
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:18.420
He's on some table somewhere dissected.

954
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:20.280
That's right Oh, wow.

955
00:43:20.340 --> 00:43:21.360
Hopefully.

956
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:26.880
Barscape was the most famous one where season 4 ended on a whopper

957
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:30.480
of a cliffhanger where Erin and John were both kind of

958
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:31.380
disintegrated.

959
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:32.099
Oh, God.

960
00:43:32.099 --> 00:43:35.099
And they were absolutely going to pick it up in season 5 and then

961
00:43:35.099 --> 00:43:37.440
they cancelled the bloody show and there was so much uproar from

962
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:37.920
the fans.

963
00:43:37.980 --> 00:43:40.920
It was that TOS fan campaign again.

964
00:43:40.980 --> 00:43:42.900
They got a miniseries to explain it all.

965
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:44.639
For God's sake.

966
00:43:44.699 --> 00:43:46.679
So are you out there listening?

967
00:43:46.739 --> 00:43:48.420
If they cancel your favourite show, make a fuss.

968
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:48.960
Right.

969
00:43:49.139 --> 00:43:55.139
Can I just talk briefly about how much I love Geordie?

970
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:58.260
So he is sitting in the back here, he's got his own little

971
00:43:58.260 --> 00:43:59.699
engineering station on the bridge.

972
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:07.019
And I think that he is absolutely one of the franchise's top

973
00:44:07.019 --> 00:44:09.659
hitters when it comes to the delivery of exposition.

974
00:44:10.500 --> 00:44:17.400
Uh, you know, is a much coveted role and um, And only certain

975
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:19.139
people can do it particularly well.

976
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:21.239
I think Terry Farrell's very good as well, actually.

977
00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:21.840
Oh, okay.

978
00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:22.500
Yeah, yeah.

979
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:26.940
Yeah, there's something like Geordie is not, you know, this is not

980
00:44:26.940 --> 00:44:29.280
a show where people are very strongly characterised.

981
00:44:29.340 --> 00:44:33.480
And mostly what we're interested in is what their special skills

982
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:36.960
are so they can solve the space problem of the week.

983
00:44:37.019 --> 00:44:42.780
But Geordie has a sort of relaxed, he just delivers it

984
00:44:42.780 --> 00:44:46.619
convincingly, you know, as if he knows what he's talking about.

985
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:48.599
It's funny, isn't it?

986
00:44:48.659 --> 00:44:50.219
Because he's not the engineer of the star, is he?

987
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:51.599
He's not a cop officer.

988
00:44:51.659 --> 00:44:53.579
And he becomes the engineer in series.

989
00:44:53.579 --> 00:44:54.480
At the beginning of series too.

990
00:44:54.539 --> 00:44:55.619
In series one.

991
00:44:55.739 --> 00:44:57.539
Do you remember they were writing all this like giive dialogue

992
00:44:57.539 --> 00:44:58.619
where he was like, woo.

993
00:44:59.099 --> 00:45:01.559
Yeah, on the originally, very strange.

994
00:45:01.619 --> 00:45:05.159
But they also had that rotating series of chief engineers.

995
00:45:05.219 --> 00:45:08.039
They decided that they didn't want a chief engineer in the regular

996
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:12.480
cast and then they realised that was dumb and they really needed

997
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:12.900
one.

998
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:16.019
He also has beautifully kissable lips.

999
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:20.159
And so I would literally watch anything, any dialogue coming out.

1000
00:45:20.219 --> 00:45:22.679
I think he's really, really good.

1001
00:45:22.739 --> 00:45:24.360
He's a bit of an unsung hero, I think.

1002
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:28.380
There's a bizarre disparacy, though, between who they've cast and

1003
00:45:28.380 --> 00:45:31.440
how they write him sometimes, because Geordie La Forge is supposed

1004
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.260
to be this like schmuck who can't get a girlfriend.

1005
00:45:34.260 --> 00:45:38.940
And Levi Gordon is this incredibly charismatic, beautiful man who

1006
00:45:38.940 --> 00:45:41.820
probably has a line of women waiting outside of the studio for

1007
00:45:41.820 --> 00:45:42.000
him.

1008
00:45:42.059 --> 00:45:45.179
And so when they do these episodes, whereas, you know, can't even

1009
00:45:45.179 --> 00:45:46.559
get a date with a hologram.

1010
00:45:46.619 --> 00:45:49.260
I'm like, I'm not buying it at all, you know?

1011
00:45:49.860 --> 00:45:52.380
Oh, here we are on yucca free.

1012
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:54.000
So is this only Arca 3?

1013
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:55.440
It is, and we're, is it?

1014
00:45:55.500 --> 00:45:56.400
Yeah, I think so.

1015
00:45:56.460 --> 00:46:00.300
So that building that we're going to see is real.

1016
00:46:00.420 --> 00:46:02.699
It's fabulous, isn't it?

1017
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.039
I think that's a terrific find there.

1018
00:46:05.099 --> 00:46:05.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1019
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.820
You think there's people out scouting places, like, hang on, my

1020
00:46:08.820 --> 00:46:10.380
God, we can do this.

1021
00:46:10.739 --> 00:46:11.219
Yeah.

1022
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:16.019
And I think, um, you've made enough poxy waterworks, they keep

1023
00:46:16.019 --> 00:46:17.880
using for Starfleet headquarters.

1024
00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:24.599
That's sedate building with the fountain outer from. well, you

1025
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:24.840
know.

1026
00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:27.360
But it's nice to see them on location.

1027
00:46:27.420 --> 00:46:32.340
I mean, we were bitching about TOS a few weeks ago.

1028
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:37.800
Well, I think that's an unfortunate trade-off with Bourbon Trek is

1029
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:41.639
that the sets are so impressive.

1030
00:46:41.699 --> 00:46:44.039
They pour a lot of money and it's on DSI is what, they pour so

1031
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:46.380
much money into the sets and the extras and the makeup and

1032
00:46:46.380 --> 00:46:48.360
everything like that, they don't go out on location.

1033
00:46:48.420 --> 00:46:51.900
I think it's like, yeah, 5 or 6 times a year, you know, very often

1034
00:46:51.900 --> 00:46:53.400
it's all shit now, isn't it?

1035
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:55.079
setbound.

1036
00:46:55.139 --> 00:46:58.619
And it's something that Discovery has been able to remedy a bit.

1037
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.500
I mean, a lot of the time they're on the ship, but when they go to

1038
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:02.159
a planet.

1039
00:47:02.219 --> 00:47:04.739
Lower decks goes out on location all the time.

1040
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:05.820
It's amazing.

1041
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:09.840
Yeah.

1042
00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:11.519
What's going on now?

1043
00:47:11.579 --> 00:47:15.420
Jordan Picard are talking about 4 man away teams.

1044
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:17.159
I mean, what the hell?

1045
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:20.760
Oh, but who will be in command of the enterprise, Joe?

1046
00:47:20.820 --> 00:47:22.440
Oh, well.

1047
00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:24.179
There she is.

1048
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:25.079
Oh, no.

1049
00:47:25.139 --> 00:47:26.699
Dr. Bev.

1050
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:27.840
Do you know what?

1051
00:47:27.900 --> 00:47:29.639
Her eyes are stunning, aren't they?

1052
00:47:29.699 --> 00:47:30.599
Isn't she beautiful?

1053
00:47:30.659 --> 00:47:31.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1054
00:47:31.619 --> 00:47:35.460
I think, wow, I'm going to be distracted by her beauty and ignore

1055
00:47:35.460 --> 00:47:36.780
her terrible acting, but I'm not.

1056
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:39.059
I think that she's very likeable though.

1057
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:43.380
I am a bit of a fan of Gates and she just seems like a nice

1058
00:47:43.380 --> 00:47:43.739
person.

1059
00:47:45.300 --> 00:47:48.900
Whenever they lean into the Picard and Beverly Crusher.

1060
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:50.039
She's automatically more interesting.

1061
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:51.539
They do that, you know.

1062
00:47:51.780 --> 00:47:55.679
Except the episode of Series 7, we're attached where they're on

1063
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:56.519
the planet together.

1064
00:47:56.579 --> 00:47:58.679
And it's actually ripe for the 2 of them to fuck.

1065
00:47:58.739 --> 00:48:00.300
Like, they're stuck on the planet.

1066
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:01.440
One of them is going to die.

1067
00:48:01.500 --> 00:48:04.079
You think they just get on top of each other and say, right, well

1068
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:04.440
let's do it.

1069
00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:06.119
This is our one chance. of it.

1070
00:48:06.179 --> 00:48:09.780
Did Jakotay and Janeway bone in that episode?

1071
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:14.099
Wow, okay, so they looked longingly at each other across a table

1072
00:48:14.099 --> 00:48:19.260
and Picard, sorry, Chakotay tells a story in metaphor, of course

1073
00:48:19.260 --> 00:48:25.260
about, you know, animals or something, tribal animals that found

1074
00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:29.460
themselves, you know, alone and desperate and, you know, seeking

1075
00:48:29.460 --> 00:48:29.940
company.

1076
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:33.239
And then she stays longly at him and they hold hands across the

1077
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:34.079
table and it cuts.

1078
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:35.340
So you don't know.

1079
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:37.500
So they bone during the commercial break.

1080
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.380
In the next scene, her hair is in disarray.

1081
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:41.880
Ah, there we go.

1082
00:48:41.940 --> 00:48:42.900
There we go.

1083
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:44.219
But she makes the joke.

1084
00:48:44.340 --> 00:48:45.780
I'm so sorry. about that episode now.

1085
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.159
She makes Kate Mulberry makes a joke about that of there's a

1086
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:52.980
monkey in that episode climbing around in the trees and she goes

1087
00:48:52.980 --> 00:48:56.219
on far more interested in the monkey than I am in Robert Beltran.

1088
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:58.679
Came over is a legend.

1089
00:48:58.739 --> 00:48:59.579
So cool.

1090
00:48:59.579 --> 00:49:01.739
Yeah.

1091
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:06.360
So, like, the women of Star Trek have a way of emasculating.

1092
00:49:07.739 --> 00:49:10.139
Gee, look at that shot of...

1093
00:49:10.139 --> 00:49:12.239
Troy from below.

1094
00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:16.320
She I think she looks fantastic in that uniform and these these

1095
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:17.280
hair extensions.

1096
00:49:17.340 --> 00:49:18.960
That building is stunning.

1097
00:49:19.019 --> 00:49:21.300
It's so good, isn't it?

1098
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:22.380
It's like a retreat.

1099
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:27.119
And this is really nice as well with the like the vast landscape

1100
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:27.599
of hills.

1101
00:49:27.659 --> 00:49:29.039
It's very pretty.

1102
00:49:29.099 --> 00:49:30.360
I just don't like the filter.

1103
00:49:30.420 --> 00:49:30.780
I'm sorry.

1104
00:49:30.900 --> 00:49:31.619
It feels very cheap.

1105
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:34.920
Well, because it just looks like Southern California otherwise.

1106
00:49:34.980 --> 00:49:37.380
It still looks a lot like Southern California.

1107
00:49:37.380 --> 00:49:40.380
And it is an attempt to make it an alien planet.

1108
00:49:40.380 --> 00:49:43.380
And, you know, these days, they can do...

1109
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:44.340
Yeah, it's incredible.

1110
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:44.940
Yeah.

1111
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:47.699
Yeah, it's a really good find.

1112
00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:50.940
I don't know how to tell you this, yeah, but there are only 3

1113
00:49:50.940 --> 00:49:52.679
minutes of this episode left to go.

1114
00:49:52.739 --> 00:49:55.860
And I don't feel like they've built up any kind of momentum or

1115
00:49:55.860 --> 00:49:56.760
tension at all.

1116
00:49:56.820 --> 00:49:57.480
No, no.

1117
00:49:57.539 --> 00:49:59.099
So what did we have?

1118
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.860
We had the opening action scene, which was really badly directed.

1119
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:06.780
We had the the incursion onto the bridge.

1120
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:11.099
We've had data disappear, I guess, which we didn't notice because

1121
00:50:11.099 --> 00:50:12.119
we were too busy talking.

1122
00:50:12.179 --> 00:50:16.320
And now they just turn up here in this actually, it's a reasonably

1123
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:16.739
being said.

1124
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.619
Yeah, it's a recently bear. looks like a game show set.

1125
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:20.940
Look at it. shiny floors.

1126
00:50:21.300 --> 00:50:25.800
Well, I constantly complain that Burman Erow track has no

1127
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:28.380
reflective surfaces and look, there's a shiny floor.

1128
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:32.400
There's just something spectacularly wrong about this whole

1129
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:34.199
cliffhanger as well.

1130
00:50:34.260 --> 00:50:37.679
I don't like the ball coming in, all chitter chatter because

1131
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:39.599
that's just not the Borg.

1132
00:50:39.659 --> 00:50:41.880
No, that's the point, though, isn't it?

1133
00:50:41.940 --> 00:50:45.179
They come in and they yelling and stuff and making animalistic

1134
00:50:45.179 --> 00:50:45.659
noises.

1135
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:48.179
And so it's an attempt to do something different.

1136
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:50.400
It's just a dumb attempt to do something.

1137
00:50:50.460 --> 00:50:51.900
Well, if it's an attempt to make them scary.

1138
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:54.719
It had the reverse effect on me because I'm just like, well

1139
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:55.320
they're just...

1140
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:57.119
I mean, it looks like there's a lot.

1141
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:58.860
Oh, and look, here's the third red shirt.

1142
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:00.059
Whoa, down he goes.

1143
00:51:00.659 --> 00:51:02.880
Oh my god, his face.

1144
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:06.119
I'm only a day player.

1145
00:51:06.179 --> 00:51:06.900
Don't shoot me.

1146
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:11.699
Oh, here we go, law.

1147
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:12.840
Yeah.

1148
00:51:12.900 --> 00:51:17.519
Actually, look, there's a rare moment where Deanna uses her

1149
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:19.139
empathy skills correctly.

1150
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.559
So usually she says, oh, you know, like I can't detect anything

1151
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:23.400
from him.

1152
00:51:23.460 --> 00:51:26.039
But she just says, no, that's not data, and I think that's pretty

1153
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:26.400
great.

1154
00:51:26.460 --> 00:51:31.679
And she can't detect data either because that's established, I

1155
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:31.920
think.

1156
00:51:31.980 --> 00:51:35.099
So she is just going on the fact that she's watched the previous

1157
00:51:35.099 --> 00:51:36.659
episodes with law in them before.

1158
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:41.579
But just everything about this, Cliffhanger, rings false.

1159
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:45.659
And the line itself, the sons of soon together again, and together

1160
00:51:45.659 --> 00:51:47.639
we will bring down the Federation.

1161
00:51:47.699 --> 00:51:48.360
No, you won't.

1162
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:51.179
No, you won't.

1163
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:52.860
We're this ragtag bunch of Borg.

1164
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:53.880
Are you kidding me?

1165
00:51:54.300 --> 00:51:56.400
I mean, and that's the end.

1166
00:51:56.460 --> 00:51:57.480
That's the end.

1167
00:51:57.539 --> 00:51:58.440
It's very exciting.

1168
00:51:58.500 --> 00:52:02.699
Yeah, so that was an episode of Star Trek. that's about all we can

1169
00:52:02.699 --> 00:52:03.179
say about that.

1170
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:05.639
It had Star Trek things in it.

1171
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:07.679
It had robots in it.

1172
00:52:07.739 --> 00:52:09.059
It had Technobabble.

1173
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:10.500
Absolutely what we're here for.

1174
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:12.300
It's not great though.

1175
00:52:12.420 --> 00:52:13.440
Is it?

1176
00:52:13.500 --> 00:52:15.840
And I don't think we thought it was great at the time.

1177
00:52:15.900 --> 00:52:22.559
I think it was worth a try, but I think there's a lack of real

1178
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:26.340
urgency and a lot of standing around talking.

1179
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:30.119
And that is Star Trek, the Next Generation's failure mode.

1180
00:52:30.179 --> 00:52:33.840
And in fact, some of its best episodes are, a lack of real urgency

1181
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:35.579
and a lot of standing around talking.

1182
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:39.300
But this is a bit low on ideas.

1183
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:44.639
And although the stakes are is data going to kind of lose his

1184
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:49.739
innocence, because it comes pre-field in with the answer, no, you

1185
00:52:49.739 --> 00:52:51.900
know, like what are we doing?

1186
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:53.400
What's he going to do?

1187
00:52:53.460 --> 00:52:53.940
Oh, no.

1188
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:55.260
But as well, as well.

1189
00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:01.079
Like, and I think this is like a lottery with Star Trek. i.e. is

1190
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:05.639
this episode going to be about a character I really love or not?

1191
00:53:05.699 --> 00:53:08.460
Because if it's not, sometimes you're in a bit, if it's about

1192
00:53:08.460 --> 00:53:11.940
Harry Kim, you're usually in a bit of trouble, you know, I'm not

1193
00:53:11.940 --> 00:53:13.079
that thrilled on data.

1194
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.840
So whether data is going to be bad or not, I don't care.

1195
00:53:15.900 --> 00:53:20.219
And you pair that up with the kind of shitty ball that they've got

1196
00:53:20.219 --> 00:53:20.519
in here.

1197
00:53:20.820 --> 00:53:24.840
Plus, the lack of anything seeming to happen whatsoever.

1198
00:53:24.900 --> 00:53:27.119
It's just a big yawn fest.

1199
00:53:28.139 --> 00:53:30.900
All right, shall we go on with episode two?

1200
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:34.019
Let's I've only got one thing to say before we go in.

1201
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:38.099
Previously on Star Trek, the next generation.

1202
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:39.960
Thanks, Magell.

1203
00:53:40.019 --> 00:53:49.500
All right, I'll count us in 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

1204
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:53.400
You see, I think that we could easily have afforded this.

1205
00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:57.599
Like I said, last time, we could have started with Iborg, you know

1206
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:01.019
previously on Star Trek and not had all that exposition.

1207
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:04.320
You could do it a little bit from Q-Hoo.

1208
00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:06.780
A little bit from best of both worlds, a little bit from give the

1209
00:54:06.780 --> 00:54:08.099
whole thing some context, you know?

1210
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:12.300
There was one episode of Buffer, you know, which did a clip from

1211
00:54:12.300 --> 00:54:15.780
every single episode, which got faster and faster and faster.

1212
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:19.199
Yeah, that was clever because I think it was supposed to show that

1213
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:20.699
she she was done.

1214
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:21.420
She'd had enough.

1215
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:22.139
Was it the gift?

1216
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:25.500
It was supposed to be the series finale, wasn't it?

1217
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:27.719
the season 5 finale.

1218
00:54:27.780 --> 00:54:28.199
Yeah.

1219
00:54:28.260 --> 00:54:31.320
So the idea was this is what's happened in Buffy up to now and

1220
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:32.219
this is the end, you know.

1221
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:34.559
Yeah, yeah, this is why she's happy.

1222
00:54:35.219 --> 00:54:38.519
Dynamically directed action sequences again.

1223
00:54:40.380 --> 00:54:42.659
And he is Croesus.

1224
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:45.119
Our new Borg heavy hitter.

1225
00:54:45.179 --> 00:54:49.139
It's not the most riveting of guest characters, is he, Crosis?

1226
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:49.980
No.

1227
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:54.059
No, I mean, it is, you know, like they've clearly decided that

1228
00:54:54.059 --> 00:54:57.480
it's going to be interesting to see the Borg behaving out of

1229
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:00.119
character, but it turns out it's not really.

1230
00:55:00.179 --> 00:55:01.260
Yeah.

1231
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:04.139
He's got a proper science fiction name though, because he starts

1232
00:55:04.139 --> 00:55:05.699
with a heavy consonant, doesn't he?

1233
00:55:05.820 --> 00:55:07.260
Yeah, yeah. process.

1234
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:07.619
Yep.

1235
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:14.280
So I believe, because memory alpha tells me that there are only 11

1236
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:18.059
Borg because that's all the costumes that they had, and so they're

1237
00:55:18.059 --> 00:55:18.659
always...

1238
00:55:18.659 --> 00:55:21.000
They've done a good job there then, because that looked very

1239
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:21.480
convincing.

1240
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:22.440
Yeah, yeah.

1241
00:55:22.500 --> 00:55:22.980
Yeah.

1242
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:26.519
I did think that it would be cheaper to duplicate them than it

1243
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:29.820
would be to make a whole heap of extra board costumes, particularly

1244
00:55:29.820 --> 00:55:30.420
in their last year.

1245
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:35.099
I mean, if they can if they can superimpose 11 to make it look

1246
00:55:35.099 --> 00:55:37.380
like 50, well, why don't they just make up three?

1247
00:55:37.980 --> 00:55:40.980
Well, that would be harder, I think.

1248
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:43.139
And a lot of these are not effect shots.

1249
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:48.360
So that shot there with the 3 crew members and a bunch of Borg in

1250
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:53.219
the background is just all the 11 sort of crowded in crowded in

1251
00:55:53.219 --> 00:55:53.699
behind them.

1252
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:58.800
You know, I think it's worth noting Brent Spiner's performance as

1253
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:04.260
law and as data because they're both evil at this point or

1254
00:56:04.260 --> 00:56:06.960
misguided or whatever you want to call it, but they're very

1255
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:07.380
different.

1256
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:12.179
There's like a sarcasm and a sense of humour to law, whereas data

1257
00:56:12.179 --> 00:56:15.659
is still kind of a bit emotional, but with a bit of a scowl on his

1258
00:56:15.659 --> 00:56:16.139
face, you know.

1259
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:19.079
But he is absolutely differentiating the 2 characters.

1260
00:56:19.139 --> 00:56:24.119
Well, like, though, a few weeks ago, we had Robert Picardo pulling

1261
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:29.699
off the same thing and just doing a better job because I think we

1262
00:56:29.699 --> 00:56:30.780
agree.

1263
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:32.639
He's a bear actor.

1264
00:56:32.699 --> 00:56:33.840
Yes.

1265
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:34.679
Yeah.

1266
00:56:34.739 --> 00:56:35.460
Sorry, guys.

1267
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:36.539
Yeah.

1268
00:56:36.539 --> 00:56:37.440
Yeah.

1269
00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:40.739
Oh no, I think and the same with Jerry Ryan, who's another

1270
00:56:40.739 --> 00:56:43.920
iteration of the same character, the idea of someone who has this

1271
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:46.739
sort of fractious relationship with her own humanity.

1272
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:49.260
And I think she's a better version of the character too.

1273
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:51.179
Absolutely she is.

1274
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:55.139
And she plays, she can play those scenes kind of emotionlessly, but

1275
00:56:55.139 --> 00:56:56.519
with subtle emotion.

1276
00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:58.559
It's delicate and beautiful.

1277
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:03.900
I think watching Jerry Ryan is one of my favourite things in any

1278
00:57:03.900 --> 00:57:04.679
show that she's in.

1279
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:06.179
Including Picard.

1280
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:09.360
She loves being in Picard because she doesn't have, you know.

1281
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:12.239
Well, she literally gets to let her air down in that, doesn't

1282
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:12.360
she?

1283
00:57:12.420 --> 00:57:13.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1284
00:57:14.219 --> 00:57:18.000
She's having a full-blown relationship with a woman, isn't she, in

1285
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:18.360
series 2.

1286
00:57:18.539 --> 00:57:19.559
Well, I don't know.

1287
00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:22.739
I think her and Raffi got together at the end of the at the end of

1288
00:57:22.739 --> 00:57:23.219
series one.

1289
00:57:23.340 --> 00:57:26.400
The final emasculation of Chakotay.

1290
00:57:26.460 --> 00:57:27.900
She shipped him off.

1291
00:57:27.900 --> 00:57:29.639
Oh, great stuff.

1292
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:31.980
But I think law as well.

1293
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:35.519
Like the Borg, law is the diminishing returns effect.

1294
00:57:35.579 --> 00:57:40.320
I think he was very interesting in data law in series one.

1295
00:57:40.380 --> 00:57:43.019
And it's one of the standout episodes of series one.

1296
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:47.280
It's very well directed and he's super unpredictable and violent.

1297
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:50.400
There's a scene in a turbo lift where he kicks a shit out of

1298
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:50.880
wharf.

1299
00:57:50.940 --> 00:57:54.539
And it scored and directed in such a dramatic way.

1300
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:57.719
And because war supposed to be, you know, the muscle of the next

1301
00:57:57.719 --> 00:57:58.199
generation.

1302
00:57:58.260 --> 00:58:03.960
And with each subsequent appearance, he gets a bit more camp and a

1303
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:04.860
bit less threatening.

1304
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:08.880
And to this point now where he's just a panto villain, isn't he?

1305
00:58:08.940 --> 00:58:11.340
And look, I love a panto villain.

1306
00:58:11.340 --> 00:58:12.239
Like, that's not a problem.

1307
00:58:12.300 --> 00:58:14.639
I don't mind if Star Trek goes camp.

1308
00:58:14.699 --> 00:58:17.820
In fact, I wish it would do it more, particularly in this era

1309
00:58:17.820 --> 00:58:19.139
which is a bit po-faced.

1310
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:23.639
I bet you love that episode in series four, Devil's Jew.

1311
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:24.659
Don't do it.

1312
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:25.320
Oh, God, yes.

1313
00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:28.079
The great camp goddess that comes down.

1314
00:58:28.139 --> 00:58:29.219
Adra.

1315
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:32.639
She's so great.

1316
00:58:34.500 --> 00:58:37.559
Well, whereas Altra is quite fun.

1317
00:58:37.619 --> 00:58:39.719
Yeah, you know, she's a total diva.

1318
00:58:39.780 --> 00:58:40.800
I don't know.

1319
00:58:40.860 --> 00:58:43.679
I just don't find law very beguiling here.

1320
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:47.400
Yeah, yeah, I mean.

1321
00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:53.519
He's, it's just Brent being Brent, you know, like that's Laura is

1322
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:54.599
essentially Brent, I think.

1323
00:58:54.900 --> 00:58:58.679
And it's supposed to be like, like, um...

1324
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:04.739
There's conflict between data and law because law wants data to

1325
00:59:04.739 --> 00:59:07.320
actively choose to portray his friends, doesn't he?

1326
00:59:07.380 --> 00:59:09.420
And that comes up a couple of times in this.

1327
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:14.039
And he puts him in a situation where he has to hurt one of his

1328
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:15.659
friends and data won't do it.

1329
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:20.639
And I can kind of see that they're trying to do some sort of

1330
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:22.980
sibling drama.

1331
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:25.019
It just doesn't come off.

1332
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:25.980
No.

1333
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:28.980
It could be because they're a pair of robots, you know?

1334
00:59:28.980 --> 00:59:34.260
Yeah, yeah, but again, you know, they're people and we establish

1335
00:59:34.260 --> 00:59:35.820
that very early on.

1336
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:37.199
They're still both people.

1337
00:59:37.260 --> 00:59:38.940
I don't know.

1338
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:42.659
We'll get there because I actually think those scenes are actively

1339
00:59:42.659 --> 00:59:44.880
unpleasant to watch and probably a mistake.

1340
00:59:44.940 --> 00:59:51.059
And like, I think, is it Brannan Braga, someone in, you know

1341
00:59:51.059 --> 00:59:55.260
there's interviews in the memory alpha, page, and it talks about

1342
00:59:55.260 --> 00:59:58.380
how great it was to get them to go somewhere darker.

1343
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:02.639
But I don't think that Star Trek, the Next Generation, can support

1344
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:03.059
that.

1345
01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:08.639
I mean, I do think sometimes when they do go dark, I think you

1346
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:11.340
said to me the other day, you're not the biggest fan of chain of

1347
01:00:11.340 --> 01:00:14.400
command, but I really, really like chain of command and the places

1348
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:17.039
it goes, which is very unusual for the next generation.

1349
01:00:17.099 --> 01:00:18.960
Yeah, quite unpleasant at times.

1350
01:00:19.019 --> 01:00:19.739
Yeah.

1351
01:00:19.739 --> 01:00:23.579
And I don't mind TV that makes me a little discomfited.

1352
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:27.000
I quite like that, actually, TV to push me a little bit.

1353
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:32.699
But next Gen's default mode is we're off on a jolly adventure.

1354
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:35.400
Yeah, in this in this lovely space cruiser.

1355
01:00:35.460 --> 01:00:39.480
Yeah, well, you know, like, I think Battlestar Galactica

1356
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:42.960
Battlestar Galactica, which has a sort of darker tone, kind of

1357
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:44.159
generally.

1358
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:47.039
And I'm absolutely on board for that.

1359
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:48.059
I think it's great.

1360
01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:52.920
Like you, you couldn't have a bulltar. in the next generation

1361
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:53.340
could you?

1362
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:57.960
Like that character would not work within No, no. this ship.

1363
01:00:58.019 --> 01:00:58.500
No.

1364
01:00:58.619 --> 01:01:01.320
Someone sort of morally ambiguous.

1365
01:01:01.380 --> 01:01:03.420
They're all very, you know, upstanding.

1366
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:04.559
Yeah, yeah.

1367
01:01:04.619 --> 01:01:09.059
I mean, like you could barely have a quark on this, you know, like

1368
01:01:09.059 --> 01:01:09.659
everyone.

1369
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:11.099
Okay.

1370
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:13.500
Because I remember when Court came along, everyone was like, oh

1371
01:01:13.500 --> 01:01:16.559
yeah. sometimes doing wrong.

1372
01:01:16.619 --> 01:01:17.940
Is this right, you know?

1373
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:19.380
Oh, no, here we go.

1374
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:20.880
The Beverly Crusher subplot.

1375
01:01:20.940 --> 01:01:25.440
So there's something about this that I quite like because it gives

1376
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:29.880
Beverly something different to do, she's not just waving a medical

1377
01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:32.039
tricorder around and looking concerned.

1378
01:01:32.099 --> 01:01:37.199
And so she gets to be a little bit more dynamic.

1379
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:41.219
And has she been doing, like, I know Deanna's been training?

1380
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:43.619
put the doctor in charge, though, like...

1381
01:01:43.619 --> 01:01:45.480
She's a bloody doctor.

1382
01:01:45.659 --> 01:01:48.539
Yeah, but she's, you know, she's a commander.

1383
01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:49.739
She's got the 3 peers.

1384
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:52.559
I've never seen her on the bridge before doing this role ever.

1385
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:56.340
Deanna's doing some kind of thing, isn't she?

1386
01:01:56.400 --> 01:02:00.780
Oh, she's doing her test training, yeah, to become...

1387
01:02:00.780 --> 01:02:04.380
After disaster, when she ends up.

1388
01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:07.260
There's that wonderful shot of her crossing her legs on the

1389
01:02:07.260 --> 01:02:10.980
captain's chair when she finally decides she's in charge, which is

1390
01:02:10.980 --> 01:02:11.280
awesome.

1391
01:02:11.340 --> 01:02:13.500
Nathan, can I ask you a question?

1392
01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:14.039
Yeah.

1393
01:02:14.099 --> 01:02:18.360
Are you automatically going to give any scene with Gaze McFadden

1394
01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:20.639
and Marina Service a pass because they're in it?

1395
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:21.480
Yep.

1396
01:02:21.539 --> 01:02:22.079
Yep.

1397
01:02:22.139 --> 01:02:24.659
Even the one when they talk about their boobs firming up in

1398
01:02:24.659 --> 01:02:25.260
insurrection.

1399
01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:28.199
Oh, I...

1400
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:30.059
I've deleted that from my memory.

1401
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:32.219
Really?

1402
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:33.480
Yeah. that happen?

1403
01:02:33.539 --> 01:02:34.260
Yeah, yeah.

1404
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:38.219
And then Data overhears them and goes and says the same thing to

1405
01:02:38.219 --> 01:02:40.739
wharf, you know, don't you find your boobs affirming up?

1406
01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:42.179
It's tremendous.

1407
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:43.320
Why are they talking about that?

1408
01:02:43.380 --> 01:02:47.099
Ah, you know, they're getting younger because of the planet on

1409
01:02:47.099 --> 01:02:47.519
insurrection.

1410
01:02:47.579 --> 01:02:51.179
Oh, that's written by Brannan Bragg. written by a man for sure.

1411
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:52.380
I bet it's awful.

1412
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:52.679
Yeah.

1413
01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:52.920
Yeah.

1414
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:56.159
Well, she doesn't, she looks very comfortable in the captain's

1415
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:56.699
chair, you know.

1416
01:02:56.760 --> 01:02:57.539
Yeah, yeah.

1417
01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:02.519
And what I like is, so you've got Tate, who is a science officer

1418
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:09.659
who hasn't done this job before, and you have Beverly being kind

1419
01:03:09.659 --> 01:03:15.480
to her, and, you know, expressing, like, doing leadership in a

1420
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:20.039
sort of kindly, encouraging way, and and I kind of like that, and

1421
01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:21.179
I like.

1422
01:03:21.239 --> 01:03:23.760
She looked like she was going to give him a massage then when she

1423
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:24.960
went out to his chair, didn't she?

1424
01:03:25.739 --> 01:03:28.320
Is that supposed to be a ball ship?

1425
01:03:28.380 --> 01:03:32.460
Well, yeah, but you see, it can't look like a normal Borg ship

1426
01:03:32.460 --> 01:03:37.079
because it would have blown the reveal in episode one.

1427
01:03:37.139 --> 01:03:39.420
And so they have this unidentifiable ship.

1428
01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:41.519
We never see one like that again though, do we?

1429
01:03:41.579 --> 01:03:45.719
No, and it's possible that, you know, you know why that is, don't

1430
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:45.900
you?

1431
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:47.460
Because it looks terrible.

1432
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:49.139
This is a bit of shit, yeah.

1433
01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:49.980
Yeah, yeah.

1434
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:52.500
Well, also, the cube was so unique.

1435
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:54.059
Yeah, it's brilliant.

1436
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:56.219
Well, except isn't there a cube?

1437
01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:56.880
Where did we have?

1438
01:03:56.940 --> 01:03:59.400
We had the spinning cube in the corp of my move.

1439
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:01.920
Yeah, yeah, see.

1440
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:04.739
Everyone makes their best ideas from TL West, I'm telling you.

1441
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:09.119
Wow, they're going really heavy on the colouring on the filter

1442
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:09.840
here, aren't they?

1443
01:04:09.900 --> 01:04:10.920
It's really red.

1444
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:13.440
I think this is but this is supposed to be dusk now.

1445
01:04:13.500 --> 01:04:14.519
I see.

1446
01:04:14.579 --> 01:04:15.119
All right.

1447
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:16.260
We're later in the day.

1448
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:18.780
Now, I can't help but notice.

1449
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:23.639
I was watching this, that the Beverly Crusher subplot is 80

1450
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:27.360
Technobabble. and 20% characterisation.

1451
01:04:27.420 --> 01:04:32.219
And unfortunately, that's not the, the, the way I like it.

1452
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:33.300
I prefer it the other way around.

1453
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:37.019
No, I actually think that, you know, they're on the bridge.

1454
01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:42.420
Technobabbles kind of a thing that's going to happen, but I like

1455
01:04:42.420 --> 01:04:47.099
the interplay between her and then when white guy, tactical

1456
01:04:47.099 --> 01:04:53.400
officer comes back up from the planet and his name is Barnaby, you

1457
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:54.659
know, and there's a bit of tension there.

1458
01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:57.539
Barnaby, very middle class.

1459
01:04:57.659 --> 01:05:01.260
Well, the enterprise only takes the best or the best, you know.

1460
01:05:02.579 --> 01:05:04.320
Oh, dear.

1461
01:05:04.380 --> 01:05:06.659
So we look like we're in a museum here.

1462
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:12.719
What is, you tell me, what is the point of that subplot?

1463
01:05:12.780 --> 01:05:15.059
Is it just to have an action sequence?

1464
01:05:15.179 --> 01:05:18.179
Well, yeah, I think it's just an eat up running time.

1465
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:19.679
I don't know, I don't know.

1466
01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:25.860
I mean, to be fair, you know, most episodes have a B plot and it's

1467
01:05:25.860 --> 01:05:27.599
just, it's just doing that, isn't it?

1468
01:05:27.659 --> 01:05:29.639
So it's not like that's not without precedent.

1469
01:05:29.699 --> 01:05:30.480
Yeah.

1470
01:05:30.539 --> 01:05:33.780
But I mean, they empty the ship out, you know, and say they're

1471
01:05:33.780 --> 01:05:35.280
addressing that here.

1472
01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:37.380
I don't know.

1473
01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:38.039
I don't know.

1474
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:43.800
Oh, now, Data, look, is being very unpleasant towards Geordie.

1475
01:05:43.860 --> 01:05:45.840
He wants to take his visor away.

1476
01:05:45.900 --> 01:05:47.099
Yeah.

1477
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:47.820
Yeah.

1478
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:53.519
And like it does lead to some comic business with law where law

1479
01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:57.179
tries it on and is sort of cute about it, but it is just a bit

1480
01:05:57.179 --> 01:05:58.860
unpleasant, I think.

1481
01:05:58.860 --> 01:06:01.679
Like, these things are not fun to watch.

1482
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:09.480
Also, as well, I'm just very aware that there's incredibly dull

1483
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:11.219
lighting occurring here.

1484
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:13.500
The direction is very flat.

1485
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:17.400
There's nothing really visually striking going on, is there?

1486
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:22.260
And I said to you, because you're always mocking the music of 90s

1487
01:06:22.260 --> 01:06:22.559
trick.

1488
01:06:22.619 --> 01:06:23.219
Yeah.

1489
01:06:23.219 --> 01:06:27.119
And I said, well, the music and this was, it was like wallpaper.

1490
01:06:27.179 --> 01:06:28.199
It was so dull.

1491
01:06:28.260 --> 01:06:32.519
And they kept doing this thing where there would be no music at

1492
01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:32.760
all.

1493
01:06:32.820 --> 01:06:36.480
And then there'd just be this little bit of music 5 seconds before

1494
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:37.260
the end of the scene.

1495
01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:38.519
Just add a bit of drama.

1496
01:06:38.579 --> 01:06:41.940
No, no, it's to tell you that it's time for the commercial break.

1497
01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:45.599
It's, you know, literally what the what the music does.

1498
01:06:45.659 --> 01:06:48.179
There's one or 2 moments, and I do think that the music

1499
01:06:48.179 --> 01:06:50.760
overscoring the cliffhanger like is pretty good.

1500
01:06:50.820 --> 01:06:56.099
But yeah, I just think this is bad news. how this is being

1501
01:06:56.099 --> 01:06:57.000
realised.

1502
01:06:57.059 --> 01:07:03.059
Like, I think, and I'm not saying all next gen is, like, boringly

1503
01:07:03.059 --> 01:07:09.360
realise, it can be really dynamic, but I think at this point, No

1504
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:10.199
one's doing their best work.

1505
01:07:10.260 --> 01:07:10.920
No.

1506
01:07:10.980 --> 01:07:15.360
But, like, it's kind of a problem with Berman Trek, and and

1507
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:20.039
there's no real visual refresh in the entire era, and you can tell

1508
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:22.739
that they're trying to get away from it by moving to a different

1509
01:07:22.739 --> 01:07:26.639
era in enterprise and giving the show a different look, but it is

1510
01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:28.019
just the same old look.

1511
01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:31.500
And I think after 7 years we're a bit tired of it.

1512
01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:38.579
I remember when Alan Croeca. came into Star Trek in the assignment

1513
01:07:38.579 --> 01:07:44.639
in DS9 series 5 and he was like the 1st new young director that

1514
01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:48.780
they brought in and all of a sudden he's doing all the big hit in

1515
01:07:48.780 --> 01:07:54.420
episodes, the DS9 finales, the openers, the 2 parters, and they're

1516
01:07:54.420 --> 01:07:55.500
really, really well directed.

1517
01:07:55.559 --> 01:07:56.940
It's like they found somebody.

1518
01:07:57.000 --> 01:07:58.980
There was a bit different from the norm.

1519
01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:00.179
You know?

1520
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:04.380
And I think and they did, they had like a pool of directors, like

1521
01:08:04.380 --> 01:08:06.780
paramount directors that they just called upon.

1522
01:08:06.840 --> 01:08:08.940
Nes Lando, you know, and people like that.

1523
01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:10.019
Yeah, Cliff Bowl.

1524
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:11.159
That absolutely.

1525
01:08:11.219 --> 01:08:12.360
They could knock them out, you know?

1526
01:08:12.420 --> 01:08:15.719
And they would be competent and they would be watchable and they

1527
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:16.859
would do it in the time.

1528
01:08:16.859 --> 01:08:22.199
Jonathan Frakes is another one, actually, like Alan Correka, where

1529
01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:25.859
you know, suddenly they realised this actor. could be a really

1530
01:08:25.859 --> 01:08:28.800
fantastic director and they just gave him one of, I'm thinking for

1531
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:30.300
episodes like Cause and Effect.

1532
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:31.319
Yeah, yeah.

1533
01:08:31.380 --> 01:08:34.319
You know, past tense part 2 in DS 90 directed.

1534
01:08:34.380 --> 01:08:36.060
And that's, it's, it's cinematically good.

1535
01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:36.779
Yeah.

1536
01:08:36.899 --> 01:08:38.100
Well, he's he's still going.

1537
01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:41.100
I mean, he directed a very recent episode of Discovery.

1538
01:08:45.420 --> 01:08:50.699
Actually, so that's that's law putting on Geordie's visor and

1539
01:08:50.699 --> 01:08:51.539
joking with him.

1540
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:56.760
And here, you know, we do get them very strongly differentiated

1541
01:08:56.760 --> 01:08:58.619
because even though data's evil.

1542
01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:01.920
He's not particularly amused by law's shit, you know.

1543
01:09:02.340 --> 01:09:06.539
Yeah, his law's got these massive shoulder pads, like Joan Pollard

1544
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:08.699
the early 90s, isn't it?

1545
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:09.840
93 or something.

1546
01:09:09.899 --> 01:09:10.619
It's a whole thing.

1547
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:13.020
But they're like padded, aren't they?

1548
01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:14.100
Wonderful.

1549
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:18.359
So we had this giant threat to destroy the federation.

1550
01:09:18.420 --> 01:09:21.899
And the Borg nearly do that.

1551
01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:26.220
Remember that it, the buildup to best of both worlds and the

1552
01:09:26.220 --> 01:09:27.000
aftermath.

1553
01:09:27.060 --> 01:09:30.479
There are a few mentions of the fact that the fleet's depleted

1554
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:32.100
after the Battle of Wolf 359.

1555
01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:34.199
It's so funny though. isn't it?

1556
01:09:34.260 --> 01:09:36.960
Because when you see that minefield of ships.

1557
01:09:37.020 --> 01:09:38.939
It's like about 10 ships.

1558
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:42.600
And then you go forward about 5 seasons and they're filling it

1559
01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:45.899
full of, you know, 100,000 CGI ships.

1560
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:46.800
Yeah.

1561
01:09:46.859 --> 01:09:51.420
But you get the sense that something historical is happening, that

1562
01:09:51.420 --> 01:09:53.640
the, that the game is changing.

1563
01:09:53.699 --> 01:09:55.079
Oh, sure, yes.

1564
01:09:55.140 --> 01:09:55.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1565
01:09:55.859 --> 01:09:59.880
Whereas here, because we're on Oniaka 3, and because no actual

1566
01:09:59.880 --> 01:10:04.260
threat is posed to the Federation at all, you know, like he talks

1567
01:10:04.260 --> 01:10:06.899
a big game for the Cliffhanger, but then what are we doing?

1568
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:10.859
We're like dicking around with replacing their brains with, you

1569
01:10:10.859 --> 01:10:12.720
know, filaments of something.

1570
01:10:12.779 --> 01:10:15.060
Like, where's the threat?

1571
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:15.659
What's happening?

1572
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:19.739
Within that cliffhanger, it's all what you would call word peril

1573
01:10:19.739 --> 01:10:20.100
wasn't it?

1574
01:10:20.220 --> 01:10:23.460
Because there's no they don't actually say how they're going to do

1575
01:10:23.460 --> 01:10:23.640
it.

1576
01:10:23.699 --> 01:10:25.079
They're just like, oh, we're going to do this.

1577
01:10:25.140 --> 01:10:27.000
And that's enough.

1578
01:10:27.060 --> 01:10:28.260
Best of both worlds.

1579
01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:29.579
Like they've taken Picard.

1580
01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:32.279
The fleet's on the way, like it's all in motion.

1581
01:10:32.340 --> 01:10:33.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1582
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:34.859
I don't think it's worth.

1583
01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:38.640
We don't get any better idea in episode 2 of this as to how

1584
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:39.960
they're going to bring down the Federation.

1585
01:10:40.020 --> 01:10:42.899
You know, it all gets lost within the data law stuff, which I

1586
01:10:42.899 --> 01:10:44.939
think they think is more interesting.

1587
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:49.680
And in the interviews, like, um, they say that, that like, we lost

1588
01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:52.739
Hugh in this because we were so focussed on data and law.

1589
01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:55.739
I'm like, well, no, you lost the bloody threat that you were

1590
01:10:55.739 --> 01:10:57.060
trying to build up in the 1st episode.

1591
01:10:57.119 --> 01:10:58.319
Yeah.

1592
01:10:58.380 --> 01:11:00.479
And now here we get the reveal.

1593
01:11:00.539 --> 01:11:06.899
So it's it's Picard, Geordie, and Deanna in a cell, and they're

1594
01:11:06.899 --> 01:11:10.560
talking about the fact that Geordie, before his Pfizer was taken

1595
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:14.159
was able to detect a carrier wave that law is using to manipulate

1596
01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:14.699
data.

1597
01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:19.560
And now they're talking about the space things they're going to do

1598
01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:22.800
in order to reboot his ethical program.

1599
01:11:22.859 --> 01:11:25.979
And that's boring.

1600
01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:33.000
That's dreadful because the reason that, like, he hasn't been

1601
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:34.079
persuaded.

1602
01:11:34.140 --> 01:11:39.840
He's been, you know, a beam is causing him to behave this way.

1603
01:11:39.899 --> 01:11:44.220
And like if this was a metaphor, like if there was some sort of

1604
01:11:44.220 --> 01:11:47.460
strong thing behind it, you could just about excuse it because

1605
01:11:47.460 --> 01:11:48.840
it's Star Trek, right?

1606
01:11:48.899 --> 01:11:54.300
Like, you know, but that's the only thing that's underlying this.

1607
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:59.220
Nothing convinces you about why he's behaving this way.

1608
01:11:59.220 --> 01:12:03.359
Whereas do you remember, I'm going to keep making comparisons to

1609
01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:05.460
the best of both worlds, because that's where this works, and this

1610
01:12:05.460 --> 01:12:06.119
is where it doesn't.

1611
01:12:06.180 --> 01:12:06.720
Yeah.

1612
01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:15.420
In the 2nd episode, um, the real meat of it is, um, can Riker step

1613
01:12:15.420 --> 01:12:16.319
into Picard's shoes.

1614
01:12:16.380 --> 01:12:19.680
And there's a couple of scenes between Riker and Gynan, where

1615
01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:22.560
she's she's like, well, I've let him go and you've got to let him

1616
01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:24.180
go and you've got to do what's right.

1617
01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:28.979
Just kill him and save the Federal. and it's it's really fucking

1618
01:12:28.979 --> 01:12:33.300
brilliant character drama. you know, of which there is a dearth of

1619
01:12:33.300 --> 01:12:33.479
here.

1620
01:12:33.539 --> 01:12:37.020
Well, look, to be fair, best of both worlds doesn't quite know how

1621
01:12:37.020 --> 01:12:38.880
to get out of its cliffhanger.

1622
01:12:38.939 --> 01:12:44.159
And so the restoration of Picard is a bit boring.

1623
01:12:44.220 --> 01:12:47.579
It is we stand around in a lab talking until he gets better.

1624
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:49.619
Like that is.

1625
01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:53.399
Do you not remember the high angle shot that goes down on the tear

1626
01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:54.659
glistening on his face?

1627
01:12:54.659 --> 01:12:58.079
Like, it's full of gracing... regardless.

1628
01:12:58.140 --> 01:13:01.739
And even if the ending is some dreadful bit of take that level

1629
01:13:01.739 --> 01:13:03.300
where they all send the ball to sleep.

1630
01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:07.140
It's linked into the idea that they are like a hive mind, you

1631
01:13:07.140 --> 01:13:07.380
know?

1632
01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:08.460
Yeah, yeah.

1633
01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:09.300
Yeah.

1634
01:13:09.300 --> 01:13:10.020
It's clever.

1635
01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:14.039
It's clever where this is just basically Technobabble, data is all

1636
01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:14.340
right again.

1637
01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:15.180
Yeah.

1638
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:19.380
Well, no, so here's Jonathan Del Arco as Hugh, and he was adorable

1639
01:13:19.380 --> 01:13:25.619
and very sweet in his episode, Iborg, which is what, series five?

1640
01:13:25.739 --> 01:13:28.560
He was terrific in Picard as well.

1641
01:13:28.619 --> 01:13:30.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1642
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:33.779
I like just bringing him back to kill him off is upsetting.

1643
01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:36.359
Echip.

1644
01:13:36.420 --> 01:13:37.800
Yeah, well, and E-Chep.

1645
01:13:37.859 --> 01:13:38.460
Yeah, yeah.

1646
01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:45.479
Um, And so it's actually a bit shocking to have him angry, but I

1647
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:48.239
kind of don't like this.

1648
01:13:48.300 --> 01:13:56.220
And I think, I think the, well, I think that the, that what

1649
01:13:56.220 --> 01:14:04.380
happens in Iborg, where 1st Gynon and then Picard, a grudgingly, um

1650
01:14:04.380 --> 01:14:07.739
brought to the point where they admit that Hugh is now a person.

1651
01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:12.060
And so he is someone that we have moral responsibilities towards.

1652
01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:16.079
We can no longer infect him with this thing and send him back to

1653
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:19.380
kill him, the Borg and, you know, himself, presumably.

1654
01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:24.779
We have to respect him and, you know, he has to be allowed to

1655
01:14:24.779 --> 01:14:26.159
determine what he wants to do.

1656
01:14:26.220 --> 01:14:33.239
And here, that's the cause of all this because they've done that.

1657
01:14:33.300 --> 01:14:40.439
And the Borg could no longer cope, then law sweeps in and does

1658
01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:40.680
it.

1659
01:14:40.739 --> 01:14:45.659
So, and it's a little bit as well, like what they do to undermine

1660
01:14:45.659 --> 01:14:48.060
the ending of yesterday's enterprise.

1661
01:14:48.180 --> 01:14:53.340
So instead of having a heroic death, which yesterday's enterprise

1662
01:14:53.340 --> 01:14:57.659
provides Tasha, a much needed heroic death because her previous

1663
01:14:57.659 --> 01:15:00.840
death was sort of senseless and pleasant.

1664
01:15:00.899 --> 01:15:06.239
She survives, we discover only to kind of become like a, she's

1665
01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:09.659
forcibly married to a Romulan and has to have sex with him and has

1666
01:15:09.659 --> 01:15:10.560
a child and stuff.

1667
01:15:10.619 --> 01:15:13.199
And that sorted any of that.

1668
01:15:13.319 --> 01:15:13.979
That's horrible.

1669
01:15:14.100 --> 01:15:16.619
It's an excuse to bring Denise calls me back.

1670
01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:17.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1671
01:15:17.819 --> 01:15:19.079
And bringing her back was great.

1672
01:15:19.140 --> 01:15:21.119
But, like, undermining that.

1673
01:15:21.239 --> 01:15:24.840
You don't like the fact that their act of compassion and

1674
01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:28.260
forgiveness caused all the problems.

1675
01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:28.619
Yes.

1676
01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:29.279
Yeah.

1677
01:15:29.340 --> 01:15:31.560
Yeah, that is a bit problematic, isn't it?

1678
01:15:31.619 --> 01:15:33.239
Yeah, I just I dislike it.

1679
01:15:33.300 --> 01:15:35.819
They should have just killed him and all the morgue, you know?

1680
01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:37.020
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1681
01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:38.819
Like, I, I, that's the moral here.

1682
01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:42.239
Well, I don't think it is because I think that the 1st episode

1683
01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:46.319
lands very heavily on the idea that they've done the right thing.

1684
01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:49.859
So you've gotten achev saying you did the wrong thing to Picard

1685
01:15:49.859 --> 01:15:53.939
and then you have Riker, who is going to be right, come in and say

1686
01:15:53.939 --> 01:15:56.640
no, that was the moral thing to do, even if it was potentially

1687
01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:57.239
costly.

1688
01:15:57.359 --> 01:16:00.239
But then the story's saying something different.

1689
01:16:00.300 --> 01:16:00.840
Yeah.

1690
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:03.779
Now the Borg have individuality.

1691
01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:08.939
So Law was able to, and the, the idea was that this was supposed

1692
01:16:08.939 --> 01:16:13.380
to be a take on like a cult leader.

1693
01:16:13.500 --> 01:16:15.779
I think that gets lost completely.

1694
01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:18.300
Like I didn't really get that from this, but reading the

1695
01:16:18.300 --> 01:16:19.560
interviews, that's what they were going for.

1696
01:16:19.619 --> 01:16:22.859
Well, that same with the young man, the young Borg who's having

1697
01:16:22.859 --> 01:16:23.279
downs.

1698
01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:24.239
That one scene.

1699
01:16:24.300 --> 01:16:24.899
That's the one.

1700
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:27.359
But you know what, though?

1701
01:16:27.420 --> 01:16:28.380
When I was watching that scene.

1702
01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:31.560
I actually thought, and it would have been a better scene.

1703
01:16:31.619 --> 01:16:36.180
I thought he was like calming him down to get close enough to kill

1704
01:16:36.300 --> 01:16:37.260
kill him, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1705
01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:38.760
And I thought I thought that's when it was going.

1706
01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:40.920
And it was just like, oh, okay, well, I'll be in your cult.

1707
01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:42.659
Okay.

1708
01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:43.680
Okay.

1709
01:16:43.739 --> 01:16:47.460
So this is this is incredibly unpleasant to watch.

1710
01:16:48.119 --> 01:16:53.520
Because, oh, my word, he's just stuck that spike right in his

1711
01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:53.760
head.

1712
01:16:53.819 --> 01:16:54.899
Yeah.

1713
01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:57.539
And like, it looks stupid.

1714
01:16:57.600 --> 01:17:00.539
There's little spikes coming out of his head and stuff like that

1715
01:17:00.539 --> 01:17:03.420
and he's wearing those dreadful contact lenses.

1716
01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:04.859
And...

1717
01:17:04.859 --> 01:17:12.539
Like what should happen here is that data is persuaded not to go

1718
01:17:12.539 --> 01:17:13.319
ahead with it.

1719
01:17:13.380 --> 01:17:16.979
That, but instead...

1720
01:17:16.979 --> 01:17:19.859
Because of his love for Geordie, because he does have emotions in

1721
01:17:19.859 --> 01:17:20.159
a sense.

1722
01:17:20.220 --> 01:17:26.939
You remember the way that he describes love, they bring it up

1723
01:17:26.939 --> 01:17:30.119
again in the boat, in the most toys when they think he's dead

1724
01:17:30.180 --> 01:17:34.260
where he says that his kind of neural patterns get accustomed to

1725
01:17:34.260 --> 01:17:35.640
having someone around or something.

1726
01:17:35.699 --> 01:17:40.439
Like, he describes friendship or love or what it's like to miss

1727
01:17:40.439 --> 01:17:40.859
someone.

1728
01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:46.619
So he does experience emotions in a real sense. because he loves

1729
01:17:46.619 --> 01:17:49.920
Geordie, you know, and I think that's super clear.

1730
01:17:49.979 --> 01:17:51.359
And that should be it.

1731
01:17:51.420 --> 01:17:52.680
That's the real emotion.

1732
01:17:52.739 --> 01:17:55.800
But because it's a technical reason.

1733
01:17:55.859 --> 01:17:57.899
Yeah, exactly. stops it.

1734
01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:01.380
It guts it of any kind of emotional work, doesn't it?

1735
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:01.859
Yeah.

1736
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:04.920
But also, I think it says something stupid about human emotions as

1737
01:18:04.920 --> 01:18:05.159
well.

1738
01:18:05.220 --> 01:18:09.000
Like they're kind of like something that it's the same with saying

1739
01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:13.560
he has an ethical program or, you know, like he's, you know, Song

1740
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:16.260
has written some subroutine that tells him the difference between

1741
01:18:16.260 --> 01:18:17.100
right and wrong.

1742
01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:19.560
And there's a chip you can put in his head to make him have

1743
01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:20.340
emotions.

1744
01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:24.359
And I think that emotions aren't really like that.

1745
01:18:25.260 --> 01:18:29.460
I mean, I think that's a really interesting thing about Star Trek

1746
01:18:29.460 --> 01:18:33.960
in general, though, is that it will kind of go one of 2 ways in a

1747
01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:34.500
climax.

1748
01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:38.819
It will it will go down an emotional route, say, I don't know, the

1749
01:18:38.819 --> 01:18:44.760
drumhead where evil admiral satay stands up and proclaims her

1750
01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:48.720
racism or family where Picard breaks down in the vineyard or

1751
01:18:48.720 --> 01:18:49.140
something like.

1752
01:18:49.260 --> 01:18:52.859
Or it will go the techna babble route, and it will just be a hand

1753
01:18:52.859 --> 01:18:54.000
waving explanation.

1754
01:18:54.060 --> 01:18:57.659
Like, I don't know, the game where they come in with the light

1755
01:18:57.659 --> 01:19:00.119
which unhypnotizes everybody or something like that.

1756
01:19:00.180 --> 01:19:04.079
And I absolutely know which approach I prefer.

1757
01:19:04.140 --> 01:19:04.739
Yeah.

1758
01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:08.399
Well, and I think in an in an episode that's about data gets

1759
01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:13.260
emotions, you know, just to have it be data's behaviour.

1760
01:19:13.260 --> 01:19:18.119
Yeah, yeah, data's behaviour is affected by a carrier wave is so

1761
01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:19.380
much less interesting.

1762
01:19:19.439 --> 01:19:23.340
And look, we're talking about phase modulation circuitry and stuff

1763
01:19:23.340 --> 01:19:23.699
here.

1764
01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:28.619
Well, Geordie has things poking out of his head.

1765
01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:30.960
It's not a really, you know, morning scene.

1766
01:19:31.020 --> 01:19:33.180
It's how the action's just dried up.

1767
01:19:33.180 --> 01:19:33.659
Yeah.

1768
01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:34.979
This is the season.

1769
01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:35.520
Oh, no.

1770
01:19:35.579 --> 01:19:36.479
They're all just standing around.

1771
01:19:36.539 --> 01:19:37.319
Yeah.

1772
01:19:37.380 --> 01:19:40.739
And like, Star Trek is that.

1773
01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:44.399
We watched, I think we've mentioned this before, but you and I

1774
01:19:44.399 --> 01:19:45.840
watched Way of the Warrior together.

1775
01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:49.800
And I was astounded by how that was just people in rooms talking

1776
01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:53.760
because my memory of it is that it was sort of massively filled

1777
01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:54.119
with action.

1778
01:19:54.180 --> 01:19:57.180
But the difference between where the Warriors, it feels like

1779
01:19:57.180 --> 01:20:01.800
things are sweeping, it's witty, the characters are, there's like

1780
01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:04.979
lots of um, duo character scenes that are fantastic.

1781
01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:07.199
You're introducing a new cast member.

1782
01:20:07.260 --> 01:20:12.239
And then there's 10 minute, like cinematic action sequence at the

1783
01:20:12.239 --> 01:20:12.899
end, you know.

1784
01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:13.739
Well.

1785
01:20:13.739 --> 01:20:15.119
Oh, right.

1786
01:20:15.180 --> 01:20:16.859
Not sure it's cinematic, but yes.

1787
01:20:16.920 --> 01:20:18.779
Very well, expensive.

1788
01:20:18.779 --> 01:20:20.939
For Star Trek, that's an expensive action sequence.

1789
01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:27.359
So I actually like this plot better, isn't that ridiculous?

1790
01:20:27.420 --> 01:20:28.920
The B plot.

1791
01:20:28.979 --> 01:20:30.060
B plot.

1792
01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:33.300
Yeah, because you've got you've got confident white guy who is a

1793
01:20:33.300 --> 01:20:37.380
little bit of an asshole and he comes in and kicks Tate off the

1794
01:20:37.380 --> 01:20:39.180
tactical station.

1795
01:20:39.239 --> 01:20:44.100
And Beverly is kind to Tate because Tate has been helpful before

1796
01:20:44.100 --> 01:20:46.859
and he wants she wants to encourage her.

1797
01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:51.960
So she keeps her at the science station kind of doing something.

1798
01:20:52.020 --> 01:20:58.079
And then they work out a clever thing using sort of techno babble

1799
01:20:58.079 --> 01:20:58.979
that we've heard before.

1800
01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:04.140
You know, like it's not groundbreaking or even particularly

1801
01:21:04.140 --> 01:21:06.659
interesting, but it's not actively annoying.

1802
01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:08.520
Like the...

1803
01:21:08.520 --> 01:21:08.939
I don't know.

1804
01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:10.500
My brain just swears.

1805
01:21:10.560 --> 01:21:12.659
There's just so much techno mobile and I just can't handle it.

1806
01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:14.220
I just found it incredibly.

1807
01:21:14.279 --> 01:21:15.600
No, no, no, they're firing on each other.

1808
01:21:15.659 --> 01:21:16.979
That's...

1809
01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:19.920
And I'm going to make a very facetious comment, but Gates McFadden

1810
01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:22.859
does not rise out of a chair with anywhere near the grace and

1811
01:21:22.859 --> 01:21:24.000
poise of Kate Mulgrew.

1812
01:21:24.060 --> 01:21:24.840
Well who does?

1813
01:21:24.899 --> 01:21:26.279
I make a noise.

1814
01:21:26.340 --> 01:21:29.699
I make a groaning noise when I rise out of a chair.

1815
01:21:31.140 --> 01:21:33.000
I'm surprised.

1816
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:35.220
She looks very comfortable in the captain's chair.

1817
01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:36.000
Yeah, yeah.

1818
01:21:36.060 --> 01:21:39.060
And look, like she's got a bit of a steely, you know, she's kind

1819
01:21:39.060 --> 01:21:41.279
of holding a jaw clenched and stuff like that.

1820
01:21:41.340 --> 01:21:41.939
She's tense.

1821
01:21:42.060 --> 01:21:45.779
She's quite an emotion. the 1st time they put Troy in the

1822
01:21:45.779 --> 01:21:47.579
captain's chair. know how that ends.

1823
01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:52.020
So at least at least Dr. Bev gets to have an action sequence and

1824
01:21:52.020 --> 01:21:54.420
you know, it's a very positive experience for the Enterprise.

1825
01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:55.920
It doesn't end up face down in a forest.

1826
01:21:55.979 --> 01:21:57.000
Yeah, no.

1827
01:21:57.060 --> 01:22:01.800
Look, I'm a big fan of disaster, which is actually where Deanna

1828
01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:03.779
ends up in the captain's chair for the 1st time.

1829
01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:08.520
And the triumphant way she sits down in that chair is just

1830
01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:09.359
spectacular.

1831
01:22:09.420 --> 01:22:11.220
I love that episode.

1832
01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:14.880
And again, it's because he puts Marina on the back foot and so

1833
01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:19.380
she's not just serene, you know, ethereal goddess of empathy.

1834
01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:24.119
It is, it is frustrating, though, in the next generation.

1835
01:22:24.300 --> 01:22:28.739
I think they probably had 2 characters that they could have

1836
01:22:28.739 --> 01:22:31.199
utilised way more than they did.

1837
01:22:31.260 --> 01:22:36.180
And Troy and Dr. Bev are very often doctor and counsellor.

1838
01:22:36.300 --> 01:22:37.500
Yeah, yeah, you know?

1839
01:22:37.560 --> 01:22:37.920
Yeah.

1840
01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:38.699
Yeah.

1841
01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:42.960
And there was an attempt to give, um, maybe the problem is that

1842
01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:47.100
Wesley leaves or something.

1843
01:22:47.460 --> 01:22:49.500
I think those early seasons, you know, where there's her and

1844
01:22:49.500 --> 01:22:49.920
Wesley.

1845
01:22:49.979 --> 01:22:52.560
Those things are, they have like a naturalism to them.

1846
01:22:52.619 --> 01:22:54.479
It feels like they're actually mother and son.

1847
01:22:54.539 --> 01:22:58.560
And later on, they're trying to do something interesting with Troy

1848
01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:00.840
by giving her a romance with Wharf.

1849
01:23:00.899 --> 01:23:01.319
Yeah.

1850
01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:03.840
Oh, it's just abysmal.

1851
01:23:03.899 --> 01:23:04.619
It doesn't work at all.

1852
01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:11.279
So what I like here too, is there's a reference here to a late

1853
01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:16.260
episode last season, which was really terrible called Suspicions

1854
01:23:16.260 --> 01:23:20.699
where, remember, it's like a murder mystery.

1855
01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:21.720
Murder hero in space.

1856
01:23:21.779 --> 01:23:22.800
It's really poor.

1857
01:23:22.859 --> 01:23:27.779
But the technobabble thing is a metaphasic shield, which enables a

1858
01:23:27.779 --> 01:23:31.020
ship to pass through the sun or a something.

1859
01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:36.420
And so she remembers that and uses it to destroy the Borg ship

1860
01:23:36.420 --> 01:23:39.239
because they have metaphasic shield again.

1861
01:23:39.300 --> 01:23:42.180
I'm sorry, if we needed all that exposition about eyeball.

1862
01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:44.939
We should have had some suspicions.

1863
01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:47.699
No, I mean, all you need, remember that time you were in that

1864
01:23:47.699 --> 01:23:48.720
murder she wrote episode?

1865
01:23:50.100 --> 01:23:51.300
Yeah, that was important, wasn't it?

1866
01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:54.659
But it's a solution that only Beverly could have come up with, and

1867
01:23:54.659 --> 01:23:55.319
I kind of like that.

1868
01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:56.699
Okay.

1869
01:23:56.699 --> 01:23:58.020
Yeah, because she knew.

1870
01:23:58.140 --> 01:23:59.939
I'm feeling I'm feeling your love flat people.

1871
01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:02.220
I'm not there with you, but I'm feeling your love.

1872
01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:03.659
There's some good visuals as well.

1873
01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:06.840
Like she doesn't, you know, we can't just shoot the ship and so

1874
01:24:06.840 --> 01:24:08.279
what are we going to do about the ship?

1875
01:24:08.340 --> 01:24:12.840
And, you know, we destroy it in a special effect sequence that's

1876
01:24:12.840 --> 01:24:14.819
recently reasonably well.

1877
01:24:14.939 --> 01:24:16.680
Do you know, that episode's suspicious.

1878
01:24:16.739 --> 01:24:19.260
It's Whoopi Goldberg's last episode of The Next generation.

1879
01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:20.220
That's upsetting.

1880
01:24:20.279 --> 01:24:21.960
She's least in generations.

1881
01:24:24.060 --> 01:24:26.640
And to see, this should work.

1882
01:24:26.699 --> 01:24:28.800
This should work and it doesn't.

1883
01:24:28.859 --> 01:24:31.560
I'm ready to irradiate your existing brain cells.

1884
01:24:31.619 --> 01:24:32.159
I mean, why?

1885
01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:32.939
that's horrible.

1886
01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:34.260
Let's not watch that, you know.

1887
01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:35.159
Ugh.

1888
01:24:35.220 --> 01:24:37.319
It's not even great dialogue though, is it?

1889
01:24:37.380 --> 01:24:40.859
No, but like it's, you know, you've got Geordie talking about the

1890
01:24:40.859 --> 01:24:45.720
past and trying to kind of waken some sort of memory in him, and

1891
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:49.739
that doesn't work, but what works is interrupting the carrier wave

1892
01:24:49.739 --> 01:24:51.659
and that's much duller.

1893
01:24:51.659 --> 01:24:53.460
That's a much more boring resolution.

1894
01:24:53.579 --> 01:24:55.920
Normally when they lean into Jordanian data.

1895
01:24:55.979 --> 01:24:57.180
That really works.

1896
01:24:57.239 --> 01:24:59.760
I remember in Times Arrow when they find his head.

1897
01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:04.680
And Data's, like, got the head open and he's operating and he's

1898
01:25:04.680 --> 01:25:05.640
like, are you all right, Jordan?

1899
01:25:05.699 --> 01:25:06.600
He's like, no, I'm not.

1900
01:25:07.020 --> 01:25:10.560
Yeah, it's just there, you know, and they're talking about Data's

1901
01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:12.600
death and it's it really, really works.

1902
01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:16.500
Yeah, Geordie is so underestimated.

1903
01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:18.060
I think he's really great.

1904
01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:19.500
He's really...

1905
01:25:19.500 --> 01:25:23.039
I don't, I, well, I think, I think Livar Burton is

1906
01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:23.880
underestimated.

1907
01:25:23.939 --> 01:25:26.159
I don't know that they write Geordie all that well.

1908
01:25:26.220 --> 01:25:29.939
Well, because he's, you know, deliverer of techno babble, but he

1909
01:25:29.939 --> 01:25:33.479
does it with a great deal of charm, I think, you know, and he

1910
01:25:33.479 --> 01:25:34.619
sells it like he means it.

1911
01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:37.020
I wonder what that building is, you know?

1912
01:25:37.020 --> 01:25:41.880
I think it's a religious retreat of some kind.

1913
01:25:41.939 --> 01:25:44.039
I did look it up.

1914
01:25:44.100 --> 01:25:46.319
Yeah, it belongs to a university.

1915
01:25:46.739 --> 01:25:53.159
And I think it's used as a religious retreat of some sort.

1916
01:25:54.420 --> 01:25:59.699
So, again, see, this scene, what we are seeing now is data and law

1917
01:25:59.699 --> 01:26:03.180
talking about the plan to kind of replace everyone's brain with

1918
01:26:03.180 --> 01:26:11.880
mesh or something and, and, you know, like, um, and again, well, I

1919
01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:14.880
know, we're going to destroy the federation, but instead we're

1920
01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:17.520
just irradiating everyone's brains for some reason.

1921
01:26:17.579 --> 01:26:20.340
Like it seems sort of pointless.

1922
01:26:20.399 --> 01:26:24.539
So it doesn't seem to be like what the episode promised it was

1923
01:26:24.539 --> 01:26:25.079
going to be about.

1924
01:26:25.140 --> 01:26:32.399
And again, data gets manipulated, not because law is persuasive

1925
01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:36.119
but because law has some LEDs under his fingernails.

1926
01:26:37.199 --> 01:26:39.000
Press the button.

1927
01:26:39.060 --> 01:26:40.020
Yeah.

1928
01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:47.279
Yeah, and again, data's misgivings about torturing and killing the

1929
01:26:47.279 --> 01:26:49.380
3 humans that they have in captivity.

1930
01:26:49.380 --> 01:26:53.699
Don't come from the fact that he knows and likes them and that he

1931
01:26:53.699 --> 01:26:54.720
loves Geordie.

1932
01:26:54.840 --> 01:27:00.600
It's that, you know, there, it's the carrier wave or whatever.

1933
01:27:00.659 --> 01:27:05.579
So if it's all just technical manipulation, then we're not

1934
01:27:05.579 --> 01:27:08.220
learning anything, we're not exploring the characters.

1935
01:27:08.279 --> 01:27:09.539
No, that's right.

1936
01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:11.460
It's as if aggressing them at all.

1937
01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:12.479
And this is disappointing.

1938
01:27:12.539 --> 01:27:13.319
Yeah, he's got emotions.

1939
01:27:13.380 --> 01:27:16.380
This is the point where they could actually genuinely give data

1940
01:27:16.380 --> 01:27:18.539
some like emotional progression.

1941
01:27:18.600 --> 01:27:19.439
Yeah.

1942
01:27:19.500 --> 01:27:21.899
I think maybe the show isn't up to it.

1943
01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:27.420
Like, I just think the show maybe can't manage that because the

1944
01:27:27.420 --> 01:27:28.319
characters are...

1945
01:27:28.319 --> 01:27:31.500
Don't they turn the chip on permanently for the films?

1946
01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:32.520
Isn't isn't he?

1947
01:27:32.640 --> 01:27:33.060
Yeah.

1948
01:27:33.180 --> 01:27:33.539
Oh, no.

1949
01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:37.020
There's a really hilarious scene in, is it insurrection?

1950
01:27:37.079 --> 01:27:40.140
It's, it's um, maybe it's 1st contact.

1951
01:27:40.199 --> 01:27:40.979
Oh, yeah.

1952
01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:43.859
Aren't they walking through the Enterprise Corridors in 1st

1953
01:27:43.859 --> 01:27:49.680
contact and Data complains about being anxious and maybe Picard

1954
01:27:49.680 --> 01:27:53.039
says maybe you should turn off your emotion chip and he just tilts

1955
01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:56.220
his head very quickly and there's a computer noise and his

1956
01:27:56.220 --> 01:28:00.600
emotions turn off and that's like that's a proper funny scene.

1957
01:28:00.659 --> 01:28:03.659
Um, Yeah.

1958
01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:07.140
But like, like when we, when we chipped into the movies and it, and

1959
01:28:07.140 --> 01:28:10.079
it is all, you know, on a much bigger scale and it looks way more

1960
01:28:10.079 --> 01:28:10.560
impressive.

1961
01:28:10.619 --> 01:28:11.880
It's much better directed.

1962
01:28:11.939 --> 01:28:15.420
It doesn't feel like the next generation anymore to me.

1963
01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:19.319
And then you add data with emotions and it really doesn't feel

1964
01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:20.340
like the next generation anymore.

1965
01:28:20.699 --> 01:28:27.659
So Tate and Barnaby just had their confrontation, because Tate has

1966
01:28:27.659 --> 01:28:30.840
come up with the idea of how to destroy the Borg ship, which I

1967
01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:34.739
think is terrific, you know, because Beverly was kind to her and

1968
01:28:34.739 --> 01:28:36.840
encouraged her.

1969
01:28:36.899 --> 01:28:40.380
There's the Borg ship exploding in a sort of solar flare, which

1970
01:28:40.380 --> 01:28:41.039
looks pretty great.

1971
01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:43.020
That was all right.

1972
01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:44.760
Well, it's great.

1973
01:28:45.060 --> 01:28:47.100
Yeah, 4 Star Trek, the Next Generation.

1974
01:28:47.159 --> 01:28:49.859
Remember, they're mostly using stock footage of the Enterprise

1975
01:28:49.859 --> 01:28:53.579
from, you know, There was one sequence in the corona of a son, you

1976
01:28:53.579 --> 01:28:56.100
know, where DS9 took out an entire shipyard.

1977
01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:58.800
In a spectacular CGI explosion.

1978
01:28:58.859 --> 01:29:01.020
Well, they weren't able to do that quite yet.

1979
01:29:01.500 --> 01:29:04.859
But yeah, you know, like I thought that that was pretty good.

1980
01:29:04.859 --> 01:29:05.699
It paid off.

1981
01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:08.819
You know, it showed Beverly as a worthwhile leader, fostering

1982
01:29:08.819 --> 01:29:10.920
talent, being kind.

1983
01:29:10.979 --> 01:29:15.479
I can't help but notice that Geordie is almost dying here, and

1984
01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:18.180
Patrick Stewart and Marina Sertis barely look concerned.

1985
01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:22.260
Nobody looks like they're that bothered.

1986
01:29:22.319 --> 01:29:25.199
Oh, look, there's a concerned look for a marina there.

1987
01:29:25.260 --> 01:29:26.279
She's holding his hand.

1988
01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:27.119
Bless her.

1989
01:29:27.180 --> 01:29:27.779
Look at that.

1990
01:29:27.840 --> 01:29:29.340
She looks bored to tears.

1991
01:29:29.399 --> 01:29:30.060
What are you talking about?

1992
01:29:31.079 --> 01:29:33.600
She's just picked up her meals and boom.

1993
01:29:33.659 --> 01:29:36.239
That was Marina's board face.

1994
01:29:36.300 --> 01:29:38.039
No, that was her concerned phase.

1995
01:29:38.100 --> 01:29:41.039
She's like, are we doing the movies yet or what?

1996
01:29:41.100 --> 01:29:43.380
I get to be good in the movies.

1997
01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:44.460
Can we get onto them?

1998
01:29:45.239 --> 01:29:49.020
You reckon she felt when she got that script and she was like, yes

1999
01:29:49.020 --> 01:29:50.939
I'm in charge of the ship and then she got to the bit where it

2000
01:29:50.939 --> 01:29:51.960
crashed on the platform.

2001
01:29:52.020 --> 01:29:52.979
For God's sake.

2002
01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:53.939
You know?

2003
01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:58.979
But don't you think that her drunk?

2004
01:29:59.039 --> 01:30:02.939
Like she must have just loves that. priceless, priceless.

2005
01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:04.020
But you know what?

2006
01:30:04.079 --> 01:30:07.199
I don't remember a single thing that her and Dr. Bev doing nemesis

2007
01:30:07.199 --> 01:30:07.439
you know?

2008
01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:08.520
No.

2009
01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:11.939
Well, much about nemesis, though, if I'm honest.

2010
01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:16.920
Robert Picardo steals her big scene in...

2011
01:30:16.979 --> 01:30:18.479
Yeah, great.

2012
01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:19.079
It's really good.

2013
01:30:19.140 --> 01:30:21.899
And to be fair, I think Kate Mulgrew steals.

2014
01:30:21.960 --> 01:30:24.239
Genesis, when she turns up as Apple Janeway.

2015
01:30:24.359 --> 01:30:26.340
For goodness sake.

2016
01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:29.039
Yes, so what's happening?

2017
01:30:29.159 --> 01:30:31.319
This is the final confrontation now.

2018
01:30:31.380 --> 01:30:32.220
Yeah.

2019
01:30:32.220 --> 01:30:37.619
So this is where laws basically gives him one last chance.

2020
01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:40.979
You know, can you can you kill your friends?

2021
01:30:41.039 --> 01:30:43.140
And he doesn't.

2022
01:30:43.260 --> 01:30:47.399
Okay, because he's a different, the carrier wave's been

2023
01:30:47.399 --> 01:30:48.000
interrupted.

2024
01:30:48.119 --> 01:30:51.899
And this very disposable.

2025
01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:55.859
This is our C plot, I guess, which is Riker and Worf and Hugh

2026
01:30:55.859 --> 01:31:00.180
sitting around the standing cave set, kind of bitching at one

2027
01:31:00.180 --> 01:31:00.539
another.

2028
01:31:00.600 --> 01:31:04.800
There is that weird visual of the Borg that have been experimented

2029
01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:07.979
on that have gone wrong and they look really super upsettingly

2030
01:31:07.979 --> 01:31:08.699
horrible.

2031
01:31:08.760 --> 01:31:11.579
Like, but again, what, what's that for?

2032
01:31:11.640 --> 01:31:15.600
You know, is it's just to show that law is secretly evil and

2033
01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:17.279
doesn't care about the Borg at all?

2034
01:31:17.340 --> 01:31:20.819
I suppose Well, essentially, we are essentially killing time until

2035
01:31:20.819 --> 01:31:23.100
date is okay again. think so.

2036
01:31:23.159 --> 01:31:25.859
If there are no narrative stakes.

2037
01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:27.600
And there are no character stakes.

2038
01:31:27.659 --> 01:31:28.739
Why are we here?

2039
01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:29.819
Yeah.

2040
01:31:29.819 --> 01:31:30.479
Yeah.

2041
01:31:30.539 --> 01:31:36.420
Look, I think that there is a tendency in series 7 for the stories

2042
01:31:36.420 --> 01:31:38.340
to be a bit more like this.

2043
01:31:38.399 --> 01:31:40.079
They're just a little bit.

2044
01:31:40.199 --> 01:31:44.220
They're a little bit less focussed and a little bit less high

2045
01:31:44.220 --> 01:31:44.939
concept.

2046
01:31:45.060 --> 01:31:49.500
And so there does seem to be a sense of just, like it's just okay

2047
01:31:49.500 --> 01:31:52.800
to hang with these characters and that'll be enough.

2048
01:31:53.880 --> 01:31:57.359
I went on and watched liaisons after this.

2049
01:31:57.420 --> 01:31:58.500
Yeah, you too.

2050
01:31:58.500 --> 01:31:59.579
Oh, series 7.

2051
01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:02.220
And I was laughing along with it.

2052
01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:06.600
There was this spot where Wolf beat up the ambassador and Troy had

2053
01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:09.659
too much chocolate and Picard was down on the planet with some

2054
01:32:09.659 --> 01:32:13.560
dreadful twist about the male female ambassador trying to seduce

2055
01:32:13.560 --> 01:32:13.739
him.

2056
01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:17.699
And, you know, it worked great, but it was hugely entertaining and

2057
01:32:17.699 --> 01:32:18.300
fun to watch.

2058
01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:20.279
In a way, this just isn't.

2059
01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:23.039
Hugely entertaining and fun to watch is great.

2060
01:32:23.100 --> 01:32:25.500
I think that's a properly great episode.

2061
01:32:25.560 --> 01:32:27.899
It's not, you know, inventive.

2062
01:32:27.960 --> 01:32:28.439
Well, it is.

2063
01:32:28.500 --> 01:32:30.180
No, I think, you know, it's really good.

2064
01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:33.720
But this is all hand this is all handhold into the last season.

2065
01:32:33.779 --> 01:32:35.100
Yeah, yeah.

2066
01:32:35.159 --> 01:32:37.800
But this is supposed to be our, like, you know, come with us on an

2067
01:32:37.800 --> 01:32:39.899
adventure in the last season of the next generation.

2068
01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:44.340
Oh, you see, and again, the thing is just resolved by Hugh running

2069
01:32:44.340 --> 01:32:46.800
forward and preventing, does Hugh like data?

2070
01:32:47.159 --> 01:32:50.159
Does no, Geordie's his friend.

2071
01:32:50.220 --> 01:32:52.140
Why is he running for to save data?

2072
01:32:52.199 --> 01:32:55.439
They said that in the interviews that they couldn't believe that

2073
01:32:55.439 --> 01:32:56.579
they wrote this episode.

2074
01:32:56.640 --> 01:32:59.100
And Renee...

2075
01:32:59.100 --> 01:32:59.939
Edge of his name.

2076
01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:00.840
Thank you very much.

2077
01:33:00.899 --> 01:33:05.760
He wrote eyeball and he wrote the teleplays for dissent one and

2078
01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:08.460
two, and he was like, I cannot believe I did not feature a scene

2079
01:33:08.460 --> 01:33:12.359
between Geordie and Hugh, because that was like the focus of

2080
01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:13.020
eyeball.

2081
01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:20.039
It's ridiculous too, because both data and Hugh regard Geordie as

2082
01:33:20.039 --> 01:33:21.659
their friend, right?

2083
01:33:21.720 --> 01:33:23.399
And neither of them is completely human.

2084
01:33:23.460 --> 01:33:26.100
And they don't even have a scene together either, did they?

2085
01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:27.600
No, it's very strange.

2086
01:33:28.500 --> 01:33:30.720
It's the sort of thing, you know.

2087
01:33:30.779 --> 01:33:33.600
It's the sort of thing that you remember when you tied together

2088
01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:36.779
the A and B plots of forget me not in Discovery.

2089
01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:37.619
Yeah, yeah.

2090
01:33:37.619 --> 01:33:41.520
It's the sort of thing that they would do now and take the time to

2091
01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:45.779
just tie it all together thematically and in character.

2092
01:33:46.680 --> 01:33:51.239
Whereas I just, I just feel like they were just sort of churning

2093
01:33:51.239 --> 01:33:52.199
out scripts at this point.

2094
01:33:52.260 --> 01:33:53.579
Yeah, yeah.

2095
01:33:53.640 --> 01:33:57.659
I mean, this is a bit B movie and again, we've said before that

2096
01:33:57.659 --> 01:34:01.020
Star Trek has a lot of B movie and it's DNA.

2097
01:34:01.079 --> 01:34:03.779
It's not a bad thing, that it's a bit...

2098
01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:04.619
Wonderful.

2099
01:34:04.619 --> 01:34:10.020
Fabulous woman who turned up on the bridge, remember?

2100
01:34:10.079 --> 01:34:11.399
You know, purple boots.

2101
01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:12.779
So much fun.

2102
01:34:12.840 --> 01:34:14.699
But so is Law Dead?

2103
01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:15.479
can't even remember.

2104
01:34:15.539 --> 01:34:17.039
Is he dead?

2105
01:34:17.100 --> 01:34:17.939
He can't be dead.

2106
01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:19.739
I don't think we see him again.

2107
01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:21.060
Do we, after this?

2108
01:34:22.560 --> 01:34:26.159
That's the 1st time I've actually noticed the direction of this

2109
01:34:26.159 --> 01:34:26.460
episode.

2110
01:34:26.520 --> 01:34:28.680
Oh, he's deactivating him.

2111
01:34:30.539 --> 01:34:34.020
Because that's, I mean, that's a green screenshot, isn't it?

2112
01:34:34.079 --> 01:34:36.779
With the 2 of them there with...

2113
01:34:36.840 --> 01:34:37.619
Oh yeah, it has to be.

2114
01:34:37.680 --> 01:34:38.100
Yeah, yeah.

2115
01:34:38.159 --> 01:34:40.140
Unless they cloned Brent.

2116
01:34:40.199 --> 01:34:42.060
I can't really see.

2117
01:34:42.119 --> 01:34:43.439
I can't see the scene, can you?

2118
01:34:43.619 --> 01:34:48.420
I can see a bit of fringing around laws here, I have to say, if I

2119
01:34:48.420 --> 01:34:48.899
look closely.

2120
01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:54.300
And again, the I love you thing, like, is that a thing?

2121
01:34:54.359 --> 01:34:54.960
Why?

2122
01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:58.439
Every time you turn up, you try to manipulate me or kill me.

2123
01:34:58.500 --> 01:34:59.340
That's it.

2124
01:34:59.399 --> 01:35:02.579
Well, mind you, to be fair, it does sound like a family reunion in

2125
01:35:02.579 --> 01:35:03.720
my house.

2126
01:35:03.779 --> 01:35:04.380
That's right.

2127
01:35:04.439 --> 01:35:07.260
As Tilly would say, that's just a Tuesday night at my end.

2128
01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:11.340
Well, that's it. all over with.

2129
01:35:11.399 --> 01:35:12.420
Yeah apparently.

2130
01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:16.020
The threat is that the threat to the Federation is over.

2131
01:35:16.680 --> 01:35:19.920
You go to irradiate 3 people's brains.

2132
01:35:23.340 --> 01:35:26.100
Do you know what might have been nice, yeah?

2133
01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:30.779
What might have been nice is, like you said, with current day trek

2134
01:35:30.779 --> 01:35:33.180
if they'd have just done all this as one episode?

2135
01:35:33.239 --> 01:35:37.800
Like, you probably have got enough here to fill 45 minutes of

2136
01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:40.859
really decent material and tie it all up.

2137
01:35:40.859 --> 01:35:42.899
And then maybe do something really bold.

2138
01:35:42.960 --> 01:35:46.079
Like start series 7 with something like the lower decks episodes.

2139
01:35:46.140 --> 01:35:49.739
I mean, completely offbeat and and they wouldn't do it.

2140
01:35:49.800 --> 01:35:50.939
No.

2141
01:35:50.939 --> 01:35:54.180
But I think they want, I mean, they so desperately want to

2142
01:35:54.180 --> 01:35:57.479
replicate the success of best of both worlds, that they're going

2143
01:35:57.479 --> 01:36:00.720
to do it, and they do it all the way through Deep Space 9, don't

2144
01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:00.899
they?

2145
01:36:01.079 --> 01:36:05.279
There's a kind of, oh, not every season.

2146
01:36:05.340 --> 01:36:06.659
Not every season.

2147
01:36:06.720 --> 01:36:10.800
Most seasons they shine end with a statement, though, of kicking

2148
01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:13.739
the plot onwards into a dramatic new direction.

2149
01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:18.659
And in fact, the one time they do genuinely replicate the success

2150
01:36:18.659 --> 01:36:21.000
of Best of Both Worlds is Voyager Scorpion.

2151
01:36:21.060 --> 01:36:23.100
Yeah, yeah.

2152
01:36:23.159 --> 01:36:27.779
It's just fantastic Star Trek. and it's David Livingston directing

2153
01:36:27.779 --> 01:36:31.079
it and it's just creepy as fuck throughout.

2154
01:36:31.140 --> 01:36:36.119
Um, and you got the fabulous one. 84, 72, creatures going along

2155
01:36:36.119 --> 01:36:36.659
and that.

2156
01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:39.420
I mean, it opens with free Borg cubes being destroyed.

2157
01:36:39.479 --> 01:36:41.399
It's like a 102nd sequence.

2158
01:36:41.460 --> 01:36:42.359
That's right.

2159
01:36:42.420 --> 01:36:44.340
And that's just the teaser, isn't it?

2160
01:36:44.399 --> 01:36:47.399
Then we go straight into the open trade. 10 seconds long, it is.

2161
01:36:47.760 --> 01:36:52.739
It ends on a like fantastic cliffhanger just like the best of both

2162
01:36:52.739 --> 01:36:53.159
worlds.

2163
01:36:54.539 --> 01:36:56.579
No, it is.

2164
01:36:56.640 --> 01:37:00.659
Like he's been torturing him, but because he was torturing him for

2165
01:37:00.659 --> 01:37:03.720
space reasons, it has no effect on their relationship.

2166
01:37:03.779 --> 01:37:10.319
So, you know, LaVar does a little bit of a facial expression to

2167
01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:13.619
kind of indicate, yes, I've been tortured by you, but that's it

2168
01:37:13.680 --> 01:37:17.039
we're now back to normal I hate to say it, but they're both being

2169
01:37:17.039 --> 01:37:19.920
upstaged by spot the cat who's washing himself in front of them.

2170
01:37:20.039 --> 01:37:26.340
Memory Alpha lists 3 different...

2171
01:37:26.399 --> 01:37:27.180
Oh, no.

2172
01:37:27.239 --> 01:37:29.159
Just or have his own page.

2173
01:37:29.579 --> 01:37:33.180
No, but in the in the credits for this episode.

2174
01:37:33.239 --> 01:37:34.739
Oh, of course it does.

2175
01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:36.119
Oh my god, yes.

2176
01:37:37.800 --> 01:37:39.720
Oh my.

2177
01:37:39.779 --> 01:37:43.979
Well, that building we were shooting around also has its own page

2178
01:37:43.979 --> 01:37:45.359
on memory alpha.

2179
01:37:45.420 --> 01:37:46.800
It's an invaluable result.

2180
01:37:46.859 --> 01:37:48.420
Oh, yeah.

2181
01:37:48.539 --> 01:37:48.840
Yeah.

2182
01:37:48.899 --> 01:37:51.239
Does all the technology have its own pages?

2183
01:37:51.300 --> 01:37:52.380
I think so.

2184
01:37:52.560 --> 01:37:54.300
There's that shot.

2185
01:37:54.420 --> 01:37:55.979
That's a labourer. 5 foot model.

2186
01:37:58.020 --> 01:38:00.239
Well, we really kind of got bored of that, didn't we?

2187
01:38:00.300 --> 01:38:01.619
There was some sort of resolution.

2188
01:38:01.680 --> 01:38:02.640
Oh, that's right.

2189
01:38:02.699 --> 01:38:06.359
We put the thing away for safekeeping so we can use it in Star

2190
01:38:06.359 --> 01:38:11.579
Trek Generations, the old a motion chip.

2191
01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:17.939
Yeah, um, but I think we've both acknowledged here that series 7

2192
01:38:17.939 --> 01:38:22.380
of The Next Generation, it can work, the very next episode works

2193
01:38:22.380 --> 01:38:23.340
on some levels.

2194
01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:26.579
So why didn't this work?

2195
01:38:26.640 --> 01:38:29.100
Like the energy should have been here.

2196
01:38:29.159 --> 01:38:32.880
Not the 2nd episode or the 10th, 15th.

2197
01:38:32.939 --> 01:38:38.399
Well, I think they make some mistakes in the scripting by setting

2198
01:38:38.399 --> 01:38:42.000
it somewhere that we don't care about, you know, like saying that

2199
01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:45.779
the stakes are the destruction of the federation, but not showing

2200
01:38:45.779 --> 01:38:46.079
that.

2201
01:38:46.140 --> 01:38:48.899
You say it one last time the name of the planet, please.

2202
01:38:48.960 --> 01:38:50.159
Oni Arca 3.

2203
01:38:50.399 --> 01:38:51.539
Thank you very much.

2204
01:38:51.539 --> 01:38:53.399
So boring.

2205
01:38:54.119 --> 01:38:59.880
Every time you talk about specifics on spaceships and planets and

2206
01:38:59.880 --> 01:39:02.039
things, oh, man, it gets me going, I'm telling you.

2207
01:39:05.460 --> 01:39:13.439
So it's time for us to choose our next Star Trek episode and Joe, I

2208
01:39:13.439 --> 01:39:17.880
want you to justify the decision you've made about which series

2209
01:39:17.880 --> 01:39:19.920
we're going to select from.

2210
01:39:20.279 --> 01:39:21.960
Hello, yes.

2211
01:39:22.020 --> 01:39:28.619
Well, um, I would like us to return to um, the high point of the

2212
01:39:28.619 --> 01:39:33.899
Star Trek franchise, Star Trek Enterprise, or potentially just

2213
01:39:33.899 --> 01:39:39.899
Enterprise, depending on what season we're watching, because I

2214
01:39:39.899 --> 01:39:44.760
think there's probably more of worth within the series than

2215
01:39:44.760 --> 01:39:50.100
perhaps we suggested when we watch that fucking awful episode of

2216
01:39:50.100 --> 01:39:51.000
Season one.

2217
01:39:51.359 --> 01:39:56.340
So essentially, I want us to do an episode of Enterprise and I'm

2218
01:39:56.340 --> 01:39:59.640
not going to stop pressing the button until we get a reasonably

2219
01:39:59.640 --> 01:40:00.060
good one.

2220
01:40:00.359 --> 01:40:01.680
Yeah.

2221
01:40:01.739 --> 01:40:02.520
Brilliant.

2222
01:40:02.579 --> 01:40:07.020
Now, listen, I'm going to reiterate one of the rules. that if it's

2223
01:40:07.020 --> 01:40:11.760
a two-parter, we do both parts, like we have in this episode, but

2224
01:40:11.760 --> 01:40:17.699
if it's a three-parter, we just do the one that's been rolled, even

2225
01:40:17.699 --> 01:40:20.039
if we have to sort of explain some context.

2226
01:40:20.100 --> 01:40:24.600
But, of course, you're perfectly welcome to reroll until we get

2227
01:40:24.600 --> 01:40:27.720
bored, if you think that wouldn't work.

2228
01:40:27.779 --> 01:40:32.039
So if we get, you know, part of the augments trilogy or what, is

2229
01:40:32.039 --> 01:40:32.760
that a trilogy?

2230
01:40:32.819 --> 01:40:33.239
I don't know.

2231
01:40:33.300 --> 01:40:34.859
Yeah, it's a good one as well.

2232
01:40:34.920 --> 01:40:37.079
The 2nd episode is really good.

2233
01:40:37.140 --> 01:40:38.460
Yeah.

2234
01:40:38.520 --> 01:40:41.520
So if we get that, we could just do it or you might say, no

2235
01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:44.399
actually let's re-roll, but okay.

2236
01:40:44.460 --> 01:40:48.060
I do I do need to say about the randomiser.

2237
01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:53.579
But 2021 has been a difficult year, but absolutely, the highlight

2238
01:40:53.579 --> 01:40:57.359
of my year has been the moments when my finger has been poised on

2239
01:40:57.359 --> 01:41:01.920
this button, ready to see which not when you're doing it, but when

2240
01:41:01.920 --> 01:41:02.520
I'm doing it.

2241
01:41:02.579 --> 01:41:03.899
Brilliant.

2242
01:41:03.960 --> 01:41:04.800
All right.

2243
01:41:04.859 --> 01:41:05.399
Okay.

2244
01:41:05.460 --> 01:41:06.840
Well let's have one of those moments.

2245
01:41:06.960 --> 01:41:09.119
Okay, here we go.

2246
01:41:10.619 --> 01:41:15.119
Series two, episode 19, judgement.

2247
01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:17.819
Yeah, I don't know what that is.

2248
01:41:18.359 --> 01:41:21.960
We could be in trouble here, you know, because I don't know.

2249
01:41:22.020 --> 01:41:23.819
All right, all right. rewrite.

2250
01:41:23.880 --> 01:41:24.300
I try again.

2251
01:41:24.840 --> 01:41:30.479
Season two, episode 22, oh, congenital.

2252
01:41:30.539 --> 01:41:31.739
That.

2253
01:41:31.859 --> 01:41:34.260
Oh I know about that one.

2254
01:41:34.319 --> 01:41:37.079
That's the one where trip.

2255
01:41:37.140 --> 01:41:39.300
Isn't it like where they race with no gender?

2256
01:41:39.420 --> 01:41:45.779
No, it's they have 3 genders and trip interfears.

2257
01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:47.579
So, yeah.

2258
01:41:47.640 --> 01:41:52.979
Tripp thinks that one of the genders is being oppressed and it's

2259
01:41:52.979 --> 01:41:54.420
interesting.

2260
01:41:54.479 --> 01:41:58.920
I, I think it has something to say.

2261
01:41:58.979 --> 01:42:05.220
I'm not sure I like what it says, but it's got something going for

2262
01:42:05.220 --> 01:42:08.399
it, and it's about Tripp, who I think, despite the fact that I

2263
01:42:08.399 --> 01:42:10.560
hated him in Strangely World.

2264
01:42:10.619 --> 01:42:12.659
I think he's one of the strongest characters in the show.

2265
01:42:12.720 --> 01:42:16.619
I seem to remember this is one of the episodes where Connor

2266
01:42:16.619 --> 01:42:18.359
Trinier shines.

2267
01:42:18.420 --> 01:42:23.159
And I seem to remember, this is one of those enterprise episodes

2268
01:42:23.159 --> 01:42:25.739
where the visuals are really striking.

2269
01:42:25.859 --> 01:42:27.060
Okay.

2270
01:42:27.060 --> 01:42:28.800
I could be misremembering that.

2271
01:42:28.859 --> 01:42:32.399
But, um, I think that's probably a good bet, you know.

2272
01:42:32.460 --> 01:42:33.840
Yeah, I think let's do it.

2273
01:42:33.899 --> 01:42:37.319
Look, I would love to, at some point, do, you know, part of the

2274
01:42:37.319 --> 01:42:41.640
Zindi Arc from series 3 or one of those sort of crazy fan wank

2275
01:42:41.640 --> 01:42:42.899
things from series 4.

2276
01:42:43.319 --> 01:42:46.079
I think that would be fun, but we're not stopping anytime soon.

2277
01:42:46.140 --> 01:42:48.840
We'll undoubtedly get the chance to do that.

2278
01:42:48.899 --> 01:42:51.239
I think cojenitors are pretty safe bet.

2279
01:42:51.300 --> 01:42:51.960
What do you reckon?

2280
01:42:52.079 --> 01:42:56.939
Yeah, I think I think it's certainly, from what I remember

2281
01:42:56.939 --> 01:42:58.619
intelligently written.

2282
01:42:58.680 --> 01:43:02.640
And it's a... 1st half of enterprise.

2283
01:43:02.699 --> 01:43:03.960
That's not terrible.

2284
01:43:04.140 --> 01:43:06.659
That's probably worth talking about as well.

2285
01:43:06.720 --> 01:43:07.500
Okay, let's do it.

2286
01:43:07.560 --> 01:43:09.119
Oh, plus triggers super hot.

2287
01:43:09.180 --> 01:43:09.899
Okay.

2288
01:43:09.960 --> 01:43:10.859
Sold.

2289
01:43:18.539 --> 01:43:22.800
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2290
01:43:22.800 --> 01:43:24.060
and Nathan Bottomley.

2291
01:43:24.119 --> 01:43:28.079
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2292
01:43:28.079 --> 01:43:31.020
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2293
01:43:31.079 --> 01:43:35.159
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2294
01:43:35.159 --> 01:43:36.960
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2295
01:43:37.020 --> 01:43:41.579
This episode was recorded on the 1st of January 2022 and released

2296
01:43:41.579 --> 01:43:43.439
on the 21st of January.

2297
01:43:43.500 --> 01:43:48.239
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