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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back aboard Deep Space 9 this week for a another episode of Star Trek, The Next Generation.

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It's season three, episode eight.

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It's directed by Jonathan Frakes.

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Bless him.

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Um, and it's called Meridian.

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Early days for Jonathan Friends, directs in Star Trek.

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Now, I mean, he's still doing it now, isn't he?

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He certainly did last year.

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He did the 2nd last episode of Discovery earlier this year.

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Do you feel like watching that recently and then watching this?

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Do you feel as if there's techniques may have become a little bit more sophisticated over time?

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Yeah.

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There certainly whirls the camera around like an absolute bastard these days.

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Oh, no wonder I love this more then.

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Nice, nice, sedate pictures of a nice park.

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You know, people wandering around.

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I'm not sure the camera moved once in this, if I'm honest.

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So this is a this is a romance.

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And I am a big fan of romance as a genre, but one of the things that I think we've discovered from Untitled Star Trek project is that when the women in the show have a romance, it's always terrible and it's always with an absolute creep and it's really kind of embarrassing for everyone.

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And that's less true when the men have a romance.

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Well, when the men are the romance.

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It tends to be strong women.

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And when the women have a romance, it tends to be strong men.

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And that power imbalance is just a bit dodgy.

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Whereas I don't think he is a very strong man in this.

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In fact, he's just very wet.

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Well, so I think the problem is this, right?

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In 45 minutes, I think you can do a romance and I am going to make a rare reference to Doctor Who because this year Doctor Who did a 45 minute romance with the doctor.

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It's something that it's done before, and I thought that the romance worked as a romance and that you discovered things about the people and that it centred on the 2 people and their relationship.

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This is a show about a space anomaly, and a romance happens in order to give it some kind of weight or something.

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But the romance never has time to land because we're all busy with the space anomaly.

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And so it's unclear what the 2 of them see in each other and why this is suddenly such a big thing.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Why they're prepared to kind of make life altering plans on the basis of someone that they've met a day or 2 ago.

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And so that's the other thing.

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You know, the scale of the romance is so great and they never get the chance to sell it and it's not really what the episode's interested in.

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And so the whole thing doesn't really work.

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So Terry Farrell or memory alpha makes a comparison between this and rejoined.

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And actually, it has quite a bit in common with what you just said there.

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That is also about a space of anomaly.

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They're creating artificial wormholes.

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And there's a load of tender babble in that episode like there is in this, but that episode is not concerned with the artificial wormholes at all.

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It's just an excuse to get the 2 characters together to brilliant actresses who have great chemistry and history together as characters.

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Yes.

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And then let that play out.

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Whereas you're right, in fact, in between the scenes where they're off to a park eating berries out of a lake and all of this.

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They're just looking at pads going, what, the telemetry of brickadoon.

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Sorry, Meridian.

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Yes, it does seem to be stabilising.

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Yes.

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Oh, by the way, what?

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lovely spots you have.

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Anyway, back to the techno babble.

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And it's more interested in the concept than it is in the romance.

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And so it fails as romance.

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No, and the concept isn't that interesting either in itself.

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We were just talking before we started recording about blink of an eye, which is a Voyager episode, which is something a bit similar in its high concept, but it actually tells the story of a civilisation developing over a period of time.

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Like it has something to say about people and it's not just talking about space anomalies.

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I mean, I'm not entirely sure how, but I think there is a way that you could make this work as a concept, this idea of a planet that sort of zaps back into existence every 100 years.

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Is that right?

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60 years it disappears.

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Yeah. 60 years. 60 years.

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So and the idea of a community then coming together, picking up where they left off.

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And if you could sort of do something with the characters on the planet and they're interacting with you and what that means to them.

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But what instead what happens is, is every 60 years, the community comes together and they all go, oh, how lovely.

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We're all here again.

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Well, we'll be gone, but I'll see you in 60 years. you know, that's so boring.

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And there's a kind of last minute mantlepiece, masterpiece society thing happening.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Where he can't go off with like the guy whose name is Daryl, for God's sake.

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Darrell.

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Darrell.

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Darrell.

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Daryl.

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Daryl.

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So, Daryl and and Jetsy, like he can't go off with Jansia because there's a lady that he should be having a relationship with or something on the planet because there's very few people left on the planet.

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And that's that's the other thing.

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There's some sort of crisis.

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They disappear for 60 years, but they're appearing for just a few days at a time, and it used to be longer and there used to be time to bang and have children and build buildings and all of that sort of thing.

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But now, because it's sped up, they're only here for a few more days and then they sort of disappear.

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And so there's some crisis.

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You could tell a human story about feelings within that premise.

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If you wanted to, but they just choose not to.

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But you've got to make it kind of relatable.

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Like, I don't know, how do you feel about, you know, becoming incorporeal for 60 years, like, is that a good thing, a bad thing?

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I don't know.

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Am I scared?

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Am I boring?

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visit England once every couple of years, okay?

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All right.

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So there's only the possibility for us.

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Fuck every 5 years.

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Okay.

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I don't know how you would do this.

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No, I don't know how you would do that.

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But within all of that.

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I didn't hate this.

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I think mostly because I think these characters are getting slightly well worn now, as in they're comfortable playing the characters.

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So the interactions, even though I've been buy it for a second.

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The bit where Cisco goes to her course and goes, well, I guess you're leaving us forever to go to that Brigadoon planet and all of that.

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But the chemistry between the characters is so great.

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I've said you before about hanging out with these characters.

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It does hold, and may I say, oh, no, you're going to fire me on this.

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I really enjoyed the B plot.

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So the B plot is about collecting celebrity deep fake porn of not a visitor.

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No, I mean, it shouldn't exist.

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It is deeply problematic of what Jeffrey Coombes is asking Corp to do.

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All of it is deep.

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But I thought there were some witty moments.

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There's a lovely people where he's trying to do the whole scanner of Kira on the promenade.

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And that scene, as written, but said by those actors, is so funny.

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Oh, and that's one where I noticed Jonathan Frakes directing as well because there's lots of stuff where you're getting to see into the camera so the characters are looking at the camera. stuff.

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And that's actually quite fun.

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Look, it's just a toy bit.

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It goes, what's it?

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They want to, they want to know what it feels like, major, to be on the bridge with you, fighting Jem'Hadar ships, and then Odo goes naked, I presume.

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That's some funny stuff.

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Look, I think it's really funny.

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It's Jeffrey Combs again in a, you know, rocking the bow mask scale.

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This is his birth appearance.

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Oh, it really?

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That's...

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In fact, there's a wonderful special feature on the series 5 D Space 9 where he sort of lists out all the people that he played and at the end he goes, and Tarah in Meridian.

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Like I see embarrassing side character that he plays.

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Yeah, no, it's a rough looking alien.

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Like all of that stuff's quite fun.

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Is this the 1st indication that there's going to be something between Odo and Kira?

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No, that that occurs in series two.

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And it's after she leaves the room in one scene and he, like this, you, you, you, the camera lingers on him and he's thinking about what they're talking about.

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You're like, what the hell's that all about?

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So it's just a sort of a flirtation.

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So we're still, we're still kind of laying the groundwork for it.

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And I thought that worked very well, that 1st scene where Kira pretends to be with Odo. just the interaction. with the characters working.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Even in these god awful dreary episodes.

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They're sort of bringing a bit of life to it because they're so fun to watch.

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The end of the B plot, right?

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Is Eva the most inspired ending of any plot ever or the most cringing juicy scene in Star Trek of all time?

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When Armatuma's head comes up.

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I mentioned I was in fits of laughter.

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But it was more sort of, I can't believe they did that than that's a really funny joke.

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I mean I think we'll have fun with this.

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Yeah, I think so.

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Let's play spot the TNG cliches.

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Okay, let's do that among other things.

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All right.

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I will count it in.

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Of course.

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Above all of those things, of course, you're going to be extremely pleased with this episode because they go outside.

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We will talk about that.

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We will talk about that.

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All right, sorry.

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Please count us in.

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All right.

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Okay, and that's it.

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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And we're off.

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I do have some quotes, you know, but I'll pepper them throughout the episode if we get a bit desperate.

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Everyone talking about one, is that right?

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Pretty much, yeah. pretty much.

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Although they all like working with Jonathan Frakes.

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Of course they did.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because he's our space dad.

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So we're in the reprimand.

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Is that, is the replemat said?

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Yeah, I wanted to ask you about this, you know, you know when you have a hot drink.

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Are you Kira?

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Do you have it too hot to savour the taste or do you make it sort of and then I like that dialogue.

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It's super cheesy.

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Like it's such TV dialogue.

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That's just whole episode, though, to be fair.

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Yeah, but I did like it, you know, like it's a it's a fun sort of thing.

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Oh, I like the fact that they just hang out and have lunch together in the replabat.

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You get loads of scenes like this.

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Usually the best ones are, Bashir Garak.

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And that's mostly because he's winding him up.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I don't mind this said.

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It turns up it turns up late, doesn't it?

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It must turn up in series 3 or is it even earlier than that?

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The replemats in the series.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Yeah, they're sitting at this table when um, garage, uh, shop blows up in, no, no, Keiko school blows up.

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A lot of things love on the propenade, right?

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Oh, he's a son.

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Can you describe this alien on the Beaumont scale, please?

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So he's got kind of big floofy red hair and he's got a kind of, it's something about his mouth.

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What's going on?

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He's got no lips or something.

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It's, and he's got like green teeth, and he's got like big bug head, forehead and chin and stuff.

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And just sort of mottled and unpleasant.

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Weird deep lines all over his face.

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Segmenting his face in a strange way.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's nothing.

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This is definitely mid-season.

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Michael Westmore can't be our Australian.

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Yeah, he's got 4 nostrils and they're all upside down.

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It's to make up for the woman with no nose.

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He's got two.

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Oh my god, Odo's face when she goes, Oh, sorry.

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Odo's my partner.

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And he goes, yeah.

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Can I do Jeffrey Coombs?

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He goes, what a interesting couple you make.

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Like, even with a thankless role like this, he just embodies it, does he?

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He goes for it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, I think it would be less fun if it wasn't for him.

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And like he's a sleaze and like that's Odo's thing.

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Like, just the idea, just the very clear thing that people just use the holo sweets to kind of jerk off is so hilariously great.

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And there's some really funny stuff about it here, but it just seems like a very odd thing for a Star Trek show.

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For me, right, when I watch Deep Space Noy.

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That was the thing that really separated this from TNG in that.

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Obviously, in TNG, Riker goes on and sees Minuet, and we know what they're using it for, but no one talks about it.

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Whereas they're just so open about it on the show.

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In the 1st series, Quarks going, you know, don't you have sex on your world?

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You know, use these programs.

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They were just a bit more honest about what was going on.

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Odo looks at his hand, the hand that she's been holding in the thing, and Odo looks at it, which I thought was...

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Yeah, yeah.

231
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I like the bit.

232
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She goes, she calls in sweetheart, and looks Odo in the face.

233
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And then Odo looks Taran in the face and goes, yes, sweetheart.

234
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So here we have the define, and clearly the reason we've introduced the Defiant is so that we can do Star Trek the Next Generation episodes.

235
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Is that what you think is happening?

236
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And weirdly enough, three, season three, is peppered with these sort of TNG, yes.

237
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Every sort of 3rd episode.

238
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And then in season four, they just abandon it completely. and use the defiant one for the war and 2 for somewhere for war to sleep because he's not going to hang out with those primitives on the station.

239
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Yeah.

240
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Yeah.

241
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And like, so this is a step backwards, I think.

242
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I can I can imagine being disappointed at the time that we're just doing Star Trek shit and the reason that we have a ship is so that more than 2 people can go on a mission at once.

243
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It's a very weird period, this, and it's almost odd and even, good and bad, because you get this, which is pretty bad.

244
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Then you get defiant, which is wonderful.

245
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Then you get fascination, which is the love virus. then you get civil defence, which is the Cardassian.

246
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It's like you're sort of spearheading between good and bad constantly in three.

247
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It's really weird.

248
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And and civil defence, which is on the same videotape as this?

249
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Is it civil defence then Meridian?

250
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the one just before this?

251
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Oh, is it?

252
00:15:48.779 --> 00:15:48.960
Okay.

253
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I think it might be.

254
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I maybe misremembering that.

255
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But civil defence is a great episode of Deep Space 9 that absolutely, like, depends on the premise of Deep Space 9.

256
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It's not a Star Trek the Next Generation episode at all.

257
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It's really great.

258
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But sort of, from series 4 almost, we just had a line of technobabble there where they were all looking at the viewscreen and going, my God, the gravitation fluctuations are destabilising or something.

259
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Well, we don't, we just don't do that in the latter half of these nine.

260
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Yeah, yeah.

261
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So are they still trying to figure it out at this point?

262
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Oh, I think so.

263
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But I think that, I mean, that's what this show does, isn't it?

264
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Like it just reinvents itself every year as it tries to work out what's working and get rid of what's not working and that's good.

265
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I'm glad it does that.

266
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I think the hit rate is like the latter half of season 2 is one banger after another and they're really leaning into the premise of the show and they're doing lots of Cardassian episodes and great character tales.

267
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They're not doing any of this.

268
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While they suddenly decided to start doing TNG light.

269
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Leave it to Voyager.

270
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Is it because TNG is now off the air?

271
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Oh, maybe.

272
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Yeah, maybe we'll throw him a bone.

273
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We'll give him a couple of TNG episodes.

274
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Yeah, yeah.

275
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I don't know.

276
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Like, there's one later in the season called Visionary where O'Brien is having visions of like 3 hours in the future, and eventually it leads to a vision where the station explodes.

277
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And so we have to stop that from happening.

278
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It's totally a TNG episode.

279
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Right.

280
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Yeah.

281
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Or do you remember the one inside Bashir's head?

282
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inside his head, the station.

283
00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:32.279
Yeah, of course it is.

284
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With the lights down a little bit.

285
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Yeah, yeah.

286
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Okay, right.

287
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Well, what is this?

288
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Oh my god, do you know what the planet appearing out of nowhere is like?

289
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It's a bit like Aldea from...

290
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Yeah, absolutely.

291
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I was thinking I'll die.

292
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Or even Megas 2.

293
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You know, appear in half.

294
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It doesn't look as lickable, though, as make us too.

295
00:17:54.660 --> 00:17:55.920
No, mega C.

296
00:17:55.980 --> 00:17:58.319
Oh, this woman, she is so boring.

297
00:17:58.380 --> 00:17:59.880
Do you think?

298
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Well, I mean, it's a kind of boring character, but she's kind of, you know, charismatic enough, I think.

299
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Yeah.

300
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Do you know what they do, right?

301
00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:21.599
In series five, they do children of time, and it is an identical opening to this, where it's like, 0 god, this, we're going through this gravitational what's it?

302
00:18:21.660 --> 00:18:27.480
And then a woman appears on the screen in stock colony set number 58, just like she does, with a similar sort of lighting.

303
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And I was thinking, oh, God, no, please.

304
00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:31.859
We're doing Meridian again.

305
00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:34.440
And instead they go, no, we've learnt our lesson now.

306
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We're going to give you the best character drama you've ever had on Disney.

307
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Yeah.

308
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Yeah.

309
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Yeah, see, that's quite a good painting thing.

310
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Yeah.

311
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What do you think about that sort of backdrop there with the plots everywhere?

312
00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:53.579
Well, like what they've done is rather than do the sky.

313
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They got it lead in such a way that the camera blows out slightly so that it looks like a sky.

314
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But of course, he's never looks like anything other than a said.

315
00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:05.579
And as you said, it's stock colony set one.

316
00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:10.440
Now, here is this guy who is who opens with a creepy line.

317
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Nathan, I was just admiring your markings.

318
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Oh, yeah, no.

319
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Jesus Christ.

320
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I was just admiring your markings.

321
00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:22.079
If you don't mind my asking, how far down do they go?

322
00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:23.099
That's so awesome.

323
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Like, this is the 1st time.

324
00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:25.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

325
00:19:25.619 --> 00:19:28.259
But she just goes all the way.

326
00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:31.920
And then look, Miles is having a little bit of a reaction there.

327
00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:36.420
Cisco looks very relaxed there at the Roman table, doesn't he?

328
00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:37.859
Yeah, he does.

329
00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:39.779
He's a Roman table, isn't it?

330
00:19:40.019 --> 00:19:42.059
Did you notice as well?

331
00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:49.680
They keep having these sort of delicious fruits and vegetables right in the front of the shot just to show that these people are very sophisticated.

332
00:19:49.740 --> 00:19:51.660
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

333
00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:52.140
Yeah, yeah.

334
00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:54.900
It's sort of shorthand to eat anything.

335
00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:55.559
No.

336
00:19:55.619 --> 00:19:57.839
Oh, I mean, there's just peppers and things.

337
00:19:57.900 --> 00:19:58.799
You know what you're going to do?

338
00:19:58.859 --> 00:20:00.660
Pick one up and bite into it.

339
00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:01.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

340
00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:02.640
They don't look very alien.

341
00:20:02.700 --> 00:20:03.180
Do they?

342
00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:03.900
Oh, God.

343
00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:09.660
He has a line in a minute about the fruit, though, where he goes, oh, the trick is to get really get the pulp out.

344
00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:12.599
And that's supposed to be like sexy dark. sexy.

345
00:20:12.660 --> 00:20:13.799
Yeah, yeah.

346
00:20:13.859 --> 00:20:15.480
Like, I can't see.

347
00:20:15.539 --> 00:20:17.759
Why do they they like one another?

348
00:20:17.819 --> 00:20:18.960
They're like, there's nothing there.

349
00:20:19.019 --> 00:20:21.059
There's no...

350
00:20:21.059 --> 00:20:21.720
She's a woman.

351
00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:23.640
What more do you need?

352
00:20:23.700 --> 00:20:24.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

353
00:20:24.900 --> 00:20:25.559
What do that?

354
00:20:25.619 --> 00:20:26.700
What could they possibly have in common?

355
00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:29.700
Like, it's nothing.

356
00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:30.839
It's not just nothing.

357
00:20:30.900 --> 00:20:33.420
I think the problem with this... the woman, the leader.

358
00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:33.900
What's her name?

359
00:20:34.619 --> 00:20:38.039
Her name is Celton Rakard.

360
00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:39.539
Space name.

361
00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:41.700
Celton Ricard, you say.

362
00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:42.900
She has 2 names.

363
00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:43.440
Celton.

364
00:20:43.500 --> 00:20:46.079
Probably with Celton. or Ricard.

365
00:20:46.140 --> 00:20:50.640
Yeah, depending on what her 1st name is. is she just says everything on one level.

366
00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:53.579
She never really displays an emotion.

367
00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:57.359
Even when he wants to leave, she's just like, oh, look, here's fruit sex here.

368
00:20:57.420 --> 00:21:00.000
Look, eat the thin layer inside the rind.

369
00:21:00.059 --> 00:21:01.140
Oh my god.

370
00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:02.160
Fucking hell.

371
00:21:02.220 --> 00:21:03.839
Excuse me, feeding her.

372
00:21:03.900 --> 00:21:05.339
Can someone pass me a cushion, please?

373
00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:06.839
I'm getting to a dog mile.

374
00:21:06.900 --> 00:21:08.160
Oh, yeah, yeah.

375
00:21:08.220 --> 00:21:09.779
This is the sexiest thing that ever happened.

376
00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:11.819
She goes, it's delicious.

377
00:21:16.259 --> 00:21:21.180
Oh, that goes, oh, no, it's one of those terrible Star Trek Jag jokes.

378
00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:25.680
Oh, it's a long time between meals, 60 years. yeah.

379
00:21:25.740 --> 00:21:27.599
But that means between banging, doesn't it?

380
00:21:27.660 --> 00:21:31.079
That's a long time between we've come back to this porny subplot.

381
00:21:31.140 --> 00:21:33.180
This is where all the fun is.

382
00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:37.619
He goes, I want Kira. doesn't he?

383
00:21:38.819 --> 00:21:42.839
That is actually very Geoffrey Coombs, isn't it?

384
00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:49.559
No, no, this, you know, he didn't need to stay the whole hour and he goes, yes, it's a very effective program.

385
00:21:49.619 --> 00:21:50.700
On the contrary.

386
00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:53.640
I found it quite dull. immediately.

387
00:21:54.539 --> 00:21:59.279
But it's just so explicitly you're in there to rub one out.

388
00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:02.819
That's why it's out of a thing.

389
00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:07.559
Nathan, I'd like to pretend that if we had hola sweets, then we wouldn't be using it for that purpose.

390
00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:08.640
Yeah, of course we would.

391
00:22:08.700 --> 00:22:10.619
But, you know, we are men after all.

392
00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:11.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

393
00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:12.720
No, we absolutely would.

394
00:22:12.779 --> 00:22:16.740
Well, with lower decks, remember, you have to clear out the hollow suite sometimes.

395
00:22:16.740 --> 00:22:18.539
If you're a lower decker, it's your job.

396
00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:21.599
It's always going on about the pleasure goddess of ricks.

397
00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:24.599
We do hear about her quite a bit.

398
00:22:24.660 --> 00:22:25.920
That's his favourite program.

399
00:22:25.980 --> 00:22:27.539
Oh, okay.

400
00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:29.279
No, I don't know about that.

401
00:22:29.579 --> 00:22:33.900
Oh, I see it's like Marina Certius from Reg Barclays.

402
00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:36.119
Yes, the goddess of empathy.

403
00:22:36.180 --> 00:22:37.259
Yeah.

404
00:22:37.259 --> 00:22:39.299
I don't like picnics quack.

405
00:22:42.779 --> 00:22:51.839
But let's not pretend that having a custom built sex program made for you is very icky.

406
00:22:52.259 --> 00:22:54.900
Yeah, yeah, of a person.

407
00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:55.799
Do you know what I mean?

408
00:22:55.859 --> 00:22:56.579
Like of someone.

409
00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:57.779
Yeah.

410
00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:01.559
But but obviously the comedy comes from all the different various ways.

411
00:23:01.619 --> 00:23:06.299
He tries to trick Kira into having a hologram scan done.

412
00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:14.339
Also, is it because we can do this now and there's a word for it and it happens and it's really super creepy.

413
00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:22.980
Whereas it's, there's a level of sort of space fantasy to it because it isn't a real thing in 1990 or whatever.

414
00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:24.720
Is that a thing?

415
00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:25.799
make a difference.

416
00:23:25.859 --> 00:23:26.279
I don't know.

417
00:23:26.339 --> 00:23:28.500
I don't know It is still creepy.

418
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:33.180
And Kira rightly regards it as creepy, like she thinks it's terrible and it doesn't happen.

419
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:35.700
Like, to be fair, quite gets thwarted.

420
00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:41.940
Um, So, what I like about it is, go with me here.

421
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.119
This just doesn't happen on any other Star Trek show.

422
00:23:45.180 --> 00:23:51.480
Like, like this sort of dodgy, underhanded things that are going on behind the scenes on DS 9.

423
00:23:51.539 --> 00:23:53.400
Perhaps we shouldn't be privy to them.

424
00:23:53.460 --> 00:23:59.039
I think this is the sort of thing, you know, when the Enterprise docks and they go, oh, we're going to that sleazy station, DS9.

425
00:23:59.339 --> 00:24:00.660
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

426
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:06.240
It's a it's a little more honest. maybe about humanity.

427
00:24:06.660 --> 00:24:08.220
Maybe.

428
00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:12.000
It's just a little bit kind of, to be unfortunate.

429
00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:15.420
But it's not as offensive as it could be.

430
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:19.380
But then why was I having more fun with this than I was with Meridian?

431
00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:22.920
Yeah, this is more fun than the meridian pot.

432
00:24:22.980 --> 00:24:31.799
But that is another problem with season three. is very often the B plot is more enjoyable than we've done a couple now.

433
00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:37.200
That's such a funny line from Quark, where he goes, the things I do for money.

434
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:40.079
Yes, that's the point.

435
00:24:40.140 --> 00:24:42.299
It's such a funny line.

436
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:45.299
I've just suddenly realised why these 2 are infatuated with it up.

437
00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:47.099
They both walk around with their arms behind their backs.

438
00:24:47.220 --> 00:24:48.299
Their arms like that.

439
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:49.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

440
00:24:49.500 --> 00:24:50.099
Yeah.

441
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:58.980
I think that that's a thing that they've decided to do to show that, you know, like you, you know, you sometimes imitate people, I don't know, I think it's a deliberate acting choice.

442
00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:12.299
When they start to decide to actually give these characters long-standing relationships, that's when they think, right, what sort of actor can we bring in that would truly compliment?

443
00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:16.200
Let's bring in Penny Johnson Gerald to go with Avery Brooks.

444
00:25:16.259 --> 00:25:17.279
Oh my god.

445
00:25:17.339 --> 00:25:21.119
Michael Dawn and Terry Fowell have great chemistry, less explore that.

446
00:25:21.180 --> 00:25:35.339
I don't just bring in these bland murder she wrote actors. to come in and seduce Jadzia for one week. such a generic white guy who is sort of roughly attractive, I guess, in a very dull way.

447
00:25:35.940 --> 00:25:40.079
She would not fall for somebody this bland in a million years.

448
00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:40.980
Yeah, yeah.

449
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:41.940
Yeah, yeah.

450
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:42.660
Yeah.

451
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:48.180
Is it because it's what men think women find attractive or something?

452
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.599
I can't tell the gender of...

453
00:25:51.660 --> 00:25:53.099
I think maybe you're right.

454
00:25:53.160 --> 00:26:00.299
I think maybe the writers of Star Trek, the Express 9 are nice blokes and they think, well, you know, just like we always laud writers on this show.

455
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:04.259
Let's put ourselves in it because obviously Jad Zero would fall for a nice guy like me.

456
00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:08.640
But unfortunately, this is not sort of bloke that women usually fall for.

457
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:16.500
I mean, I found it far more believable when Jadzia had her arms around Vanessa Williams and they were doing the pottery together.

458
00:26:16.619 --> 00:26:19.259
That's the sort of person she would fancy.

459
00:26:19.380 --> 00:26:21.539
Yes, yeah, exactly.

460
00:26:22.380 --> 00:26:25.559
Oh, well, did you like Cisco playing with the kid there?

461
00:26:25.619 --> 00:26:26.339
I quite like that.

462
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:29.279
It's just, he's got a very natural way.

463
00:26:29.339 --> 00:26:30.660
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

464
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:34.319
Here we are, now we're back on the station.

465
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:36.480
For the B plot.

466
00:26:36.539 --> 00:26:42.000
That's right Oh, this is when he tries to trick Kira into going into the holo suite, isn't it?

467
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:45.599
You've won all these special treats because you're my 1000000th customer.

468
00:26:45.779 --> 00:26:47.819
That's so great.

469
00:26:50.940 --> 00:26:57.119
There was a beat of character work in this that I liked where she went, I've never won anything before.

470
00:26:57.180 --> 00:26:59.880
Of course she hasn't, she's like...

471
00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:01.440
She was in a refugee camp.

472
00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:04.380
Yeah, yeah. that's right I liked that.

473
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:06.539
I thought that was, you know, it's a boring thing.

474
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:10.380
It's a sort of fairly standard bit of dialogue, but it works with Kira, I think.

475
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:11.579
I thought that was good too.

476
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:17.460
I think that our visitor is a strong enough actress to know, God, this bullshit subplot.

477
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:19.319
I will just dig something out of it.

478
00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:21.960
You made that lie, you 1000000 customer.

479
00:27:22.019 --> 00:27:23.460
She's really great.

480
00:27:23.579 --> 00:27:26.220
And she's doing like cute business as well.

481
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:30.900
Like I really like how exasperated, how busy she is. oh come on, don't do this to me now.

482
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:37.859
Can I can I point out as well, because I do this quite a bit with DS9, but do you remember the scene in Emissary?

483
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:50.880
If you don't take your hand off my thigh, you'll never lift a glass of it again to this to the very last scene in what you leave behind. which is her going, no, all betting pools are off.

484
00:27:50.940 --> 00:27:59.700
Like, they, they just have, they, they do these duos of characters and they run it throughout the series and they just give them lots of great moments.

485
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:04.859
This is perhaps not the best, but she's actually quite excited by the champagne.

486
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:08.099
She's quite happy about that.

487
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:08.940
Doesn't she say?

488
00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:10.859
Thanks for the champagne quark.

489
00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:19.140
Well, it's Ensign Quintana's birthday, so he'll like the hola sweet tokens. not transferrable.

490
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:20.339
Why doesn't he say that?

491
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.259
Yeah, like she likes the champagne.

492
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:26.039
Thanks for champagne.

493
00:28:26.099 --> 00:28:29.339
And then she holds up her little dabbo things and goes, oh, I've got these.

494
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:30.900
Like she's actually been excited.

495
00:28:31.019 --> 00:28:33.480
And then she goes back to work. with her champagne.

496
00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:34.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

497
00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:35.400
Good for her.

498
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:49.259
The only thing is, right, is in the very next episode, because I watched a fire after this, I don't know if you remember the beginning of the fire, it was having a bit of a nervous breakdown because she's overworked.

499
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:57.119
So Bashir goes, right, you're relieved of duty and I'm taking you to Quarks and he forces her to sit down and Quark comes in with another load of stuff.

500
00:28:57.180 --> 00:28:59.700
Gambling tokens, hollow sweets, jumpjaw sticks.

501
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:01.319
I'm like, didn't we do this last week?

502
00:29:01.380 --> 00:29:02.579
Did you do that last week?

503
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:04.440
Whoops.

504
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:08.940
Like the defiant sense, you know.

505
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:12.960
I like how claustrophobic it feels.

506
00:29:13.019 --> 00:29:14.160
Yeah.

507
00:29:14.220 --> 00:29:22.920
And I'm like going with that brown colour that isn't quite the brown from the station, but reminds you of it.

508
00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:25.500
Like you can see why they did that as well.

509
00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:27.359
Oh, God, look at this.

510
00:29:27.420 --> 00:29:29.579
It's the same as that bit where...

511
00:29:29.579 --> 00:29:34.980
Chakotay said to Janeway, oh, every time you've got a tough decision, you play with your badge. and she's never done it.

512
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:39.000
Jazzy, I never bites so low a leg when she's coming.

513
00:29:39.059 --> 00:29:40.740
You've got to tell.

514
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:42.059
You always look to the side.

515
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:44.220
They're constantly doing that in Star Trek.

516
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:46.319
She goes, I suppose I do.

517
00:29:46.380 --> 00:29:49.920
I've never noticed it before You must be a man of deep insight.

518
00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:51.420
Oh my god.

519
00:29:51.779 --> 00:29:54.000
Like, what is this?

520
00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:55.920
Are they are they going to bone?

521
00:29:55.980 --> 00:29:56.700
Like what's happening?

522
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:58.619
Like she's adjusting the neck of her thing.

523
00:29:58.740 --> 00:30:01.500
Can you see Cisco watching from behind?

524
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:02.579
Yeah, yeah.

525
00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:05.400
Oh my god.

526
00:30:05.460 --> 00:30:07.859
We're going outside.

527
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:10.440
Now this is a very pretty park, don't you think?

528
00:30:10.500 --> 00:30:14.759
It looks like the planet Trill from Star Trek Discovery.

529
00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:17.339
You don't have those lovely CGI creatures coming out of the bushes.

530
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:18.359
No, that's true.

531
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:20.279
Little flying things coming out of the water.

532
00:30:20.339 --> 00:30:21.119
It is refreshing.

533
00:30:21.180 --> 00:30:27.900
Although DS9 has a weird habit. of spending its location work on episodes like this and times orphan.

534
00:30:29.819 --> 00:30:33.779
Maybe they were thinking, how can we shush this up a bit?

535
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:34.980
Let's go outside.

536
00:30:35.339 --> 00:30:38.220
Yeah, well, imagine if they'd done it.

537
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:39.779
Oh, look, there's a waterfall.

538
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:41.819
There's a thing, blah, blah, blah.

539
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:48.299
But you know the bit later on where they climb the tree, or it might be in a 2nd and you see the sort of the whole view of the park and the river and everything.

540
00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:50.940
I'd love to sit there and read.

541
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.160
That'd be a lovely park to read and have a little picnic.

542
00:30:53.220 --> 00:31:05.220
So there was a moment and I'll show you why, in a sec, where I thought, no, look, look, look, we go over here to the tree, now we're at the tree, and I'm thinking, oh, we're back in the fucking studio.

543
00:31:05.339 --> 00:31:06.720
Look at that.

544
00:31:07.619 --> 00:31:14.759
Because they've put fake grass down around the tree for some reason, like there wasn't sufficient grass.

545
00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:20.099
They've put, look, you can see the edge of the fade grass. and they've scattered the fake grass with leaves.

546
00:31:20.220 --> 00:31:23.519
That was that's like the sub-rosa grass there, isn't it?

547
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:25.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.

548
00:31:25.259 --> 00:31:30.299
And they've added some extra sort of branched things to the tree as well.

549
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:36.000
See these fuzzy branches so that he can climb up without falling over.

550
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:38.099
Oh, how funny.

551
00:31:38.220 --> 00:31:40.319
Oh my god.

552
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:41.640
It's a sitting branch here.

553
00:31:41.700 --> 00:31:48.059
I can tell you a small quote from David Livingston now who says this episode was mostly talking.

554
00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:52.380
Jonathan got some really nice performances out of Terry and our guest actor.

555
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:53.339
I'm not sure about that.

556
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:59.339
But he does say we went back to Huntington Gardens and we found this tree and that was great.

557
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.200
That's all he's got to say.

558
00:32:01.259 --> 00:32:03.240
He liked the trade.

559
00:32:03.299 --> 00:32:06.420
So this guy is in everything.

560
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.599
Brett Cullen. you look at his memory alpha page.

561
00:32:09.660 --> 00:32:11.460
He just has a massive career.

562
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:14.759
Well, as bit parts or, yeah, yeah.

563
00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:16.500
Big parts and things.

564
00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:19.440
I've seen lost and shit.

565
00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:21.059
Desperate housewives.

566
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:23.160
Maybe it's the rice in there.

567
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:24.240
I don't know.

568
00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:24.900
I don't know.

569
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:33.599
Well, it's kind of a, I don't know, he's in Allie McBeal, V, Ghost Whisperer, just stacks of stuff.

570
00:32:33.660 --> 00:32:40.079
You got to remember, this is the Jonathan Frakes that's directing, you know, Captain Burnham and her hot boyfriend.

571
00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:43.140
You know, he can read some passion to the screen.

572
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:50.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah, about, you know, Captain Burnham and his hot and her hot boy boyfriend are kind of hotter than these couple, I think.

573
00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:53.460
Terry Farrow is very hot.

574
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:56.279
Terry is a very, very beautiful woman.

575
00:32:56.339 --> 00:32:57.180
I agree.

576
00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:59.039
Ugh, yuck.

577
00:32:59.099 --> 00:33:01.500
And you're going to eat be these fucking...

578
00:33:01.619 --> 00:33:03.480
I think they're blueberries out of a pond.

579
00:33:03.539 --> 00:33:04.140
Yeah.

580
00:33:04.140 --> 00:33:05.759
In a pond.

581
00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:09.539
Well, no, we cut away, so I'm assuming it wasn't the ones that he took out of the water.

582
00:33:09.660 --> 00:33:13.559
No, no, no, but I'm just saying that's what he's doing in the story.

583
00:33:13.619 --> 00:33:18.839
Now, I, now that I'm going to say, I did like these park scenes.

584
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.900
I mean, not so much for the romance, just because it was nice to look at.

585
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:37.500
And I think Dennis McCarthy, who's fresh from Star Trek generations doing the sport for this, actually did quite a nice, it's almost more sort of sad than romantic, but the music was quite nice in this scene as well.

586
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:39.660
So I'll give them a few props.

587
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:40.740
Yeah.

588
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:41.460
Yeah.

589
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:42.779
Oh no, here we go.

590
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:44.640
Very chaste.

591
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:46.500
It's that sort of chin kissing.

592
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.259
You know, when you sort of push your chin in like that.

593
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.019
It's like yeah, you're kneading dome with your face.

594
00:33:54.720 --> 00:34:01.140
Whereas, if you see her later when she grabs hold of Michael Dorm, She gets her tongue so far down his throat.

595
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:04.140
Yeah, well, like Terry Powell's been waiting for that moment.

596
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:08.639
We saw him in far beyond the stars recently and he's very, very pretty.

597
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:12.239
He's a big guy.

598
00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:14.639
I think this lighting in the set's not too bad.

599
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.980
Yeah, that is actually pretty good.

600
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:28.199
What I what I like in this era is where they have that really bright yellow lighting and even though the lighting's really flat at the beginning, there's lights and shadows in the background.

601
00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:32.639
Like it's in the foreground, it's really, oh, no, like there's silights on her head.

602
00:34:32.699 --> 00:34:33.360
Do you know what I mean?

603
00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:35.460
The lights reflecting off their hair and stuff like that.

604
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:36.539
Like, it's okay.

605
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:43.320
I can't believe I'm going to say this as a critical remark, but I like the fact there's tons of foliage and they're put in the light through that.

606
00:34:43.380 --> 00:34:45.239
So it's throwing shadows everywhere.

607
00:34:45.300 --> 00:34:45.719
I don't know.

608
00:34:46.019 --> 00:34:49.440
A bit more effort than we saw in TNG series one, you know?

609
00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:50.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

610
00:34:50.820 --> 00:34:53.579
It's it's even better than Ensigns of Command.

611
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:57.179
Go and watch the, what's it called?

612
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:03.599
The Bendy City, Benzardi City, an encounter of Far Point, where it's all just flat lit.

613
00:35:03.659 --> 00:35:05.219
Yeah, yeah.

614
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:06.000
They're learning.

615
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:23.820
They are learning, but this, like, interestingly, again, by the time we get to children of time, they do lots of scenes where they go on location at dusk as the sun's going down and then they match it in the studio with the same precisely.

616
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:25.260
So they really do start learning.

617
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:27.599
Sorry, what were you going to say?

618
00:35:27.900 --> 00:35:29.579
just super bored.

619
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:31.079
They're just looking at these pads.

620
00:35:31.139 --> 00:35:33.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

621
00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:33.960
Yeah, yeah.

622
00:35:34.019 --> 00:35:34.860
Yeah.

623
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.199
One thing needed to be card.

624
00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:38.099
Do you know what I mean?

625
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:43.079
Like, just, like, if you don't need to do a romance about Dax, like, I don't know.

626
00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:47.280
So the romance here is to make give her what?

627
00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:50.460
So her romance falls foul of a space anomaly.

628
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:52.559
That's right.

629
00:35:52.619 --> 00:35:53.880
Yeah.

630
00:35:53.940 --> 00:35:56.280
I just don't know like what's...

631
00:35:56.340 --> 00:35:58.739
She just said a load of text about what. jumped up sort excitedly.

632
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:02.400
Now, I did like it when she ran off and then came back and given him a kiss and then ran off again.

633
00:36:02.460 --> 00:36:03.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

634
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:03.719
Daxy.

635
00:36:03.780 --> 00:36:05.820
My favourite scene of the whole episode.

636
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:06.599
See this?

637
00:36:06.659 --> 00:36:09.539
Well, I think this is directed in a fun way as well.

638
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:11.699
I've only got one thing to say to you.

639
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:16.019
If I ever catch you pointing a hollow image of me again, you will end up eating it.

640
00:36:17.940 --> 00:36:22.679
I was hoping she was going to say that I was going to go and go and threaten to feed it to him.

641
00:36:22.739 --> 00:36:23.099
Go on.

642
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:30.420
Oh, and there's a wonderful way because Cork keeps telling lies as to why he's using this hollow imager.

643
00:36:30.539 --> 00:36:35.159
And with every lie, Odo goes, ha, ha, ha.

644
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:37.500
And he goes, will you stop doing that, please?

645
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:39.360
It's so great.

646
00:36:39.659 --> 00:36:42.719
This is a very witty scene, I think.

647
00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:43.739
Yeah.

648
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:44.400
Yeah.

649
00:36:44.460 --> 00:36:46.260
No, but I love the direction of it.

650
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:50.400
I loved having them just run towards him as well in that tiny set.

651
00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:52.619
They manage to get a bit of a run happening.

652
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.320
He goes, he's bored in an hour.

653
00:36:55.380 --> 00:36:56.400
He goes, where are you going?

654
00:36:56.460 --> 00:36:58.380
And then he realises she's heading straight.

655
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.179
He goes, oh, no, Jesus.

656
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:08.280
I mean, I wouldn't say this is the best These are 3 very good actors.

657
00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:10.739
Well, yeah, yeah, I agree.

658
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:12.900
He's the program.

659
00:37:13.019 --> 00:37:22.320
If if you ever needed a better example of 3 prestige actors lifting terrible material, here, yeah.

660
00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:25.079
And a director doing it as well.

661
00:37:25.139 --> 00:37:26.219
Look at Lodo.

662
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:31.079
Look at Odo, smiling indulgently because he knows it's all a lie.

663
00:37:31.139 --> 00:37:33.420
Naked, Irish.

664
00:37:33.900 --> 00:37:36.480
Isn't there some petty thief?

665
00:37:36.539 --> 00:37:38.820
Isn't there some petty thief he can harass?

666
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:39.960
And he goes, just you.

667
00:37:40.019 --> 00:37:44.400
Just you. so fun.

668
00:37:46.500 --> 00:37:48.420
It reminds me.

669
00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:50.519
That reminds me of that scene from Emissary as well.

670
00:37:50.579 --> 00:37:53.760
You know, at first, I didn't think I was going to like him.

671
00:37:56.219 --> 00:37:58.320
Is that a no?

672
00:38:00.539 --> 00:38:02.219
So funny.

673
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:05.340
And then she throws it away.

674
00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:07.739
And he goes, it's definitely a no.

675
00:38:08.820 --> 00:38:11.039
It just clatters though.

676
00:38:11.099 --> 00:38:12.840
They should have followed you at smashing.

677
00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:15.000
Oh, back on that footage.

678
00:38:15.059 --> 00:38:18.179
We're back on the, back in the, yeah, we're outside.

679
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:20.880
I mean, I will say one thing about this park.

680
00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:24.360
It's a bit too cultivated, isn't it, to be this sort of random planet.

681
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:28.800
But look, we're shooting we're shooting the the reflection in the water.

682
00:38:28.860 --> 00:38:29.519
That's a thing.

683
00:38:29.579 --> 00:38:31.139
That's definitely a thing.

684
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:33.539
He's trying, isn't he?

685
00:38:33.659 --> 00:38:34.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

686
00:38:34.980 --> 00:38:36.960
Do you remember the park in Silicon Avatar?

687
00:38:37.019 --> 00:38:37.860
Yeah.

688
00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:39.659
Where the colony was taking place?

689
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:43.980
This is a little bit more lush than that, but, you know, it's the same sort of thing.

690
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.280
Can I throw a quote at you from Hillary J.

691
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:48.659
Bader, the writer of this episode?

692
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:55.559
Yeah, now, I was trying to work out whether Hillary was male or female a little bit earlier and I can't find out.

693
00:38:55.619 --> 00:39:01.619
There's a couple of times because there are sort of gender nonspecific names in the Star Trek creatives.

694
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:02.519
There's a few times.

695
00:39:02.579 --> 00:39:07.320
Well, their partner is called Jay, which also is probably gender nonspecific.

696
00:39:07.380 --> 00:39:08.519
So I couldn't work it out.

697
00:39:08.579 --> 00:39:11.280
Because Kim Friedman's a director and that's a man.

698
00:39:11.340 --> 00:39:12.480
That's a man.

699
00:39:12.539 --> 00:39:12.960
Yeah.

700
00:39:13.739 --> 00:39:21.659
Anyway, he or she says, of all the stories I've done for Star Trek, Meridian is my least favourite.

701
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:26.099
And then Ronald D. Moore says, I don't think anyone likes the show.

702
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.019
I don't think we like the show.

703
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.019
This one just went wrong and it never jailed.

704
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:34.380
And visual effects supervisor Glenn Newfield says.

705
00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:37.559
It's a classic case of making it up as we go.

706
00:39:37.619 --> 00:39:39.179
I don't wanna talk about it.

707
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:50.219
Now, Ira Bear says about the visual effects, he goes, there's some nice things in this episode, but to make that show really work, we would have needed to have had another $200,000 for opticals.

708
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.500
What opticals?

709
00:39:52.559 --> 00:40:00.360
Well, I think he's talking about the bit at the end where she's trying to breathe in that weird void as the planet's vanishing because it looks really bad.

710
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:04.500
But, but I have to say that it's not the problem.

711
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:05.460
Do you know what I mean?

712
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:06.900
Like, it tells the story.

713
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:08.760
We know what's happening.

714
00:40:08.820 --> 00:40:16.980
It may not look great, but it's Star Trek in the 90s and sometimes that doesn't quite work, but the special effects actually tell us what's happening, which is their job.

715
00:40:17.699 --> 00:40:20.219
What can I say something kind then?

716
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:21.480
Because Terry Farrell should go.

717
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.599
And she says, I thought that show was done well.

718
00:40:24.659 --> 00:40:29.820
I loved working with Jonathan, but to be honest, I thought rejoined work better as a love story.

719
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:36.300
I don't think Meridian was as emotionally honest as rejoined in its approach to the Dax relationship and its dialogue.

720
00:40:36.420 --> 00:40:38.820
I just sort of fell in love with this guy.

721
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:39.719
Boom.

722
00:40:39.780 --> 00:40:46.139
Many people enjoyed the show and as an actress, I did too, especially the scene where I had to say goodbye to Avery Brooks.

723
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:51.840
Those kind of scenes are easier to play because it's with Avery and because he's very sportive of me.

724
00:40:51.900 --> 00:40:55.980
If it hadn't have been for Avery, I don't know if I would have gotten through our 1st season.

725
00:40:56.099 --> 00:41:02.039
So I agree with her criticism, but I can see that she's sort of having fun with it.

726
00:41:02.099 --> 00:41:05.639
I mean, they only get 2 episodes a year with the focus.

727
00:41:06.059 --> 00:41:06.960
Like I said, yeah, yeah.

728
00:41:07.019 --> 00:41:10.860
I think, like, I do think that scene between her and Avery is good.

729
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:14.579
I actually, I think there's some good things in this scene as well.

730
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:17.460
Look how chill they are, and that's a thing that you need to do.

731
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.440
Like if she was really leaving.

732
00:41:19.500 --> 00:41:21.719
You would have to have this scene.

733
00:41:21.780 --> 00:41:39.119
And, you know, the scene about Tongo where it turns out she doesn't know that Quark is letting her win Tongo all the time because Quark fancies her, which is a thing that, you know, comes up in series 7. you know, like um, in shadows and symbols and stuff.

734
00:41:39.179 --> 00:41:43.920
Um, and when, you know, he, you start selling weapons on the station.

735
00:41:43.980 --> 00:41:53.519
He goes to Dax's quarters because he knows he's going to die because he's about to expose the whole the whole chain and goes to Dax's quarters and gives her the tongo wheel.

736
00:41:53.579 --> 00:41:55.800
So they play with that quite a bit later on as well.

737
00:41:55.860 --> 00:41:57.179
Yeah, okay.

738
00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:58.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

739
00:41:58.559 --> 00:41:59.639
It's a it's a game.

740
00:41:59.699 --> 00:42:03.900
I'm very good at it Season 3 is really where they got Bashir right as well.

741
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:04.860
He's so chill here.

742
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:09.179
Compared to one and 2 where he was so hottight all the time.

743
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.719
Well, it's kind of overwritten, isn't it?

744
00:42:12.780 --> 00:42:16.619
You know, like, are they just decide to let the actor do his thing, I think?

745
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:25.860
One thing in this episode's favour, and I said this to you on the chat, is if this was a TNG episode, I don't think we'd ever do the point where the man was choosing to leave Meridian.

746
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:30.599
It would just be Beverly Crusher or Councillor Troy staying on Meridian.

747
00:42:30.659 --> 00:42:32.460
And I do like the fact...

748
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:40.500
Yeah, I do like the fact that we go there first, and that's his natural assumption is that he is going to leave rather than she is going to stay.

749
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:41.039
That was nice.

750
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:52.019
No, because both Odan and Ronan want Beverly to give up her job. can't believe you remember their names.

751
00:42:52.139 --> 00:42:53.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

752
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:58.559
And creepy guy from the price wanted, I think, wanted Deanna to give up her job.

753
00:42:58.619 --> 00:43:01.380
Like the assumption was that she gives up her job.

754
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:03.900
Yeah, I don't know.

755
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:06.539
Like that that is better.

756
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:12.659
But why are they making these kind of weird career altering decisions in like 2 days?

757
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.900
Like are they are they 17?

758
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:17.760
Like, what's going on?

759
00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:21.780
Because the episode is only 45 minutes long and we want to forget about it next week.

760
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:23.579
That's right.

761
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.940
And so what you do, you have to rein it in.

762
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:36.059
You have to, like, like, none of that happens again. the recent Doctor Who episode as a, as a, as a comparison.

763
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:37.440
They don't do any of that.

764
00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:38.760
Do you know what I mean?

765
00:43:38.820 --> 00:43:42.840
Like they don't, like, it doesn't get to that point.

766
00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:51.179
What works in rejoined is that it's Susanna Thompson's character, Lenara, that makes a choice.

767
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:52.019
I'm going to stay here.

768
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:53.639
I'm going to defy trial tradition.

769
00:43:53.699 --> 00:43:54.300
I love you.

770
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:55.139
I'm going to be with you.

771
00:43:55.320 --> 00:44:02.639
Then her brother talks to her and her career would be over and all of this and she's like, I don't know what to do.

772
00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:03.239
I know what to do.

773
00:44:03.300 --> 00:44:06.719
She goes, well, the shuttle's going tomorrow and make your choice because I really want to be with you.

774
00:44:06.780 --> 00:44:11.639
And Dax is there all hopeful, hoping that she's going, and of course she goes off and she's devastated.

775
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:12.960
But that works.

776
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:14.519
Yeah.

777
00:44:14.579 --> 00:44:16.019
But they've got a history.

778
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:20.039
You know, there's stuff invested in it in that relationship already.

779
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:24.960
But this doesn't work because we know Dax isn't going to be leaving DS9 on this God awful episode.

780
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:30.179
Whereas in that episode, we don't know that Leonara isn't going to join the station because Barell did.

781
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:31.440
You know, Chicago did.

782
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:34.800
We've had love interests come along, so she maybe she would have stayed.

783
00:44:34.860 --> 00:44:35.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

784
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.579
Penny Johnson, Gerald will, you know, like everyone will.

785
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:44.940
Nathan, I really like the lighting in this episode, this sort of suffuse glow of the lads in my time.

786
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:45.599
Yeah.

787
00:44:45.659 --> 00:44:46.679
It's quite nice on that.

788
00:44:46.739 --> 00:44:48.960
And the fact that it seems to be open to the outside.

789
00:44:49.019 --> 00:44:50.940
What's Daryl doing?

790
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.239
Well, I... how I sit with my other half.

791
00:44:54.300 --> 00:44:59.820
I do just sit in his lap while we're watching the TV and he strokes my hair and the way she's sort of stroking his arm.

792
00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:02.579
So body language wise, I can buy this.

793
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:06.239
I think they do do a good job of trying to sell that.

794
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:07.199
Do you know what I mean?

795
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:09.480
Like, I think they do try.

796
00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:15.599
But I can't, I don't get anything from them because I don't, he, what's he?

797
00:45:15.659 --> 00:45:17.639
He's got no characteristics at all.

798
00:45:17.699 --> 00:45:19.199
What's he like as a person?

799
00:45:19.260 --> 00:45:21.119
He's just blonde.

800
00:45:21.420 --> 00:45:26.099
She could find out he's a beast when they come back 60 years later.

801
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:30.480
Oh, God, all my friends are 60 years older, I'm stuck here with this monster.

802
00:45:30.539 --> 00:45:31.739
You know?

803
00:45:32.340 --> 00:45:37.380
I don't think that was going to pan out that way, B. Oh, God, listen to this dialogue.

804
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.559
I could lose you What if you didn't have to lose me?

805
00:45:40.619 --> 00:45:44.280
Oh, what if I stayed here with you?

806
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:45.360
sent a robot.

807
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:46.619
I wish you could.

808
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:47.639
But that's not possible.

809
00:45:47.699 --> 00:45:50.940
It's like if you asked AI to write a romance in Star Trek, isn't it?

810
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:51.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

811
00:45:51.900 --> 00:45:57.900
Well, particularly the line, your molecular structure wouldn't survive dimensional shift.

812
00:45:58.019 --> 00:46:02.159
No, she goes, I could build a quantum stabiliser.

813
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:05.820
Oh, my matrix and yours could be joined or something.

814
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.119
It's like, my gosh, I'm getting weak at the knees.

815
00:46:09.179 --> 00:46:10.679
That so sexy, isn't it?

816
00:46:13.739 --> 00:46:16.559
Only Insta, the only genre.

817
00:46:16.619 --> 00:46:21.659
Sorry, the only franchise that does romantic dialogue worse than this is George Lucas.

818
00:46:21.780 --> 00:46:23.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

819
00:46:23.699 --> 00:46:26.639
That's considerably worse.

820
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:28.619
Oh, possibly JMS on Babylon 5.

821
00:46:28.860 --> 00:46:33.000
He does terrible romantic dialogue as well. have never even heard of it.

822
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:35.159
Maybe just romance in science fiction.

823
00:46:35.219 --> 00:46:36.300
It's not a great movie.

824
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:37.980
No, I don't think that's true.

825
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:44.820
I don't think that's true because I think the relationship between book and and Michael is good.

826
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.699
I think the relationship between Paul and Hugh is good.

827
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:55.500
Like, Cisco and Cassidy, Gray and Adira, you know, like...

828
00:46:55.500 --> 00:47:00.960
Do you remember that wonderful scene where, oh, I know I keep bringing it up, where she wants to move in and he's like, that's a big step.

829
00:47:01.019 --> 00:47:02.280
What the hell do you mean by that?

830
00:47:02.340 --> 00:47:06.599
She goes, you are afraid of commitment, Ben Cisco?

831
00:47:06.659 --> 00:47:08.219
I'm off.

832
00:47:08.219 --> 00:47:09.420
I'm never going to see you again.

833
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:11.099
It's wonderful.

834
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:13.800
I suppose it's how you play it and how you write.

835
00:47:13.860 --> 00:47:21.059
Well, but these single episode romances never really work, do they?

836
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:22.079
Have they tried it?

837
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:23.219
Kursman Trek.

838
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:25.199
The single episode romance?

839
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:27.239
I'm trying to think.

840
00:47:27.300 --> 00:47:28.500
I don't think they have.

841
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.019
No, it's because they're all actual people.

842
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:32.579
Yeah, yeah.

843
00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:39.900
In lift me up where suffering cannot reach in series one, which is one that you haven't seen, which I think is really good, and you should watch.

844
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:45.599
Um, um, Pike has a, an old fling.

845
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:46.679
Do you know what I mean?

846
00:47:46.739 --> 00:47:51.119
Like he comes back to a planet where it's a woman that he's had a relationship.

847
00:47:51.179 --> 00:47:51.960
Do you know what I mean?

848
00:47:52.019 --> 00:47:55.079
Like a brief relationship with and they're going to have sex again sort of thing.

849
00:47:55.139 --> 00:47:58.920
And that seems much more grown up and much more kind of sensible.

850
00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:00.780
Do you know what I mean, than this stuff?

851
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:07.619
Terry Farrell says in that quote that she didn't leave the relationship herself because why on earth would Dax just fall in love with this man?

852
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:09.119
But she liked this scene.

853
00:48:09.179 --> 00:48:13.380
And you can see it because even the situation is absurd.

854
00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:14.820
Everything she's saying is crazy.

855
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:16.019
The emotion is real.

856
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:19.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

857
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:24.599
She's really doing a great job of this too, isn't she?

858
00:48:24.659 --> 00:48:29.519
Selling this sort of stuff and look, look at Avery.

859
00:48:29.820 --> 00:48:32.460
And then they hug in a minute as well.

860
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.519
I've always said to you, I love, don't take this for a while.

861
00:48:35.579 --> 00:48:37.679
I love how much they touch each other on DS 9.

862
00:48:37.739 --> 00:48:39.659
It just suggests a familiarity.

863
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.079
And then I can call you old man.

864
00:48:43.139 --> 00:48:44.460
I look forward to it.

865
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:45.840
It's beautiful, isn't it?

866
00:48:45.900 --> 00:48:46.619
Look at them.

867
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:47.159
Yeah.

868
00:48:47.219 --> 00:48:50.099
That I buy, that relationship.

869
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:51.480
Just great.

870
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:58.800
I say, there are just way better Cisco taxi elsewhere.

871
00:48:59.099 --> 00:49:05.400
Yeah, and because this isn't really a thing, like, but I thought that was pretty good, I thought that was great.

872
00:49:05.460 --> 00:49:05.880
All right.

873
00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:08.340
Back to the proper plot, the A plot.

874
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:08.880
Oh, yes.

875
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:10.980
This program is as good as you claim.

876
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:17.039
Oh, it goes, I've got my own holosuite back at home and Quark is so impressed by that, isn't it?

877
00:49:17.099 --> 00:49:19.920
That's such a funny line too.

878
00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:24.360
It's like the things I do for money earlier.

879
00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:27.300
He, his very own holly's hollow sweet.

880
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:28.500
What's he say?

881
00:49:28.619 --> 00:49:32.820
Just a little present I bought myself, he says. good to have money.

882
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:42.179
Again, I think it's great how Jonathan Frakes shoes this, sort of going through these lustrous peak silks.

883
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:43.139
Yeah, yeah.

884
00:49:43.380 --> 00:49:45.719
It's pretty basic.

885
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:52.260
It's just a visual gag of having nanal visitor lying on that bed, an almond shimmerman underneath it, and it's...

886
00:49:52.260 --> 00:49:54.239
Don't you think it's a body double?

887
00:49:54.300 --> 00:49:55.739
Don't you think it's her body double?

888
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:57.960
Oh, I hope that's...

889
00:49:57.960 --> 00:49:59.699
It would be pretty great if it was a...

890
00:49:59.699 --> 00:50:02.519
They still talk about it to this day.

891
00:50:02.579 --> 00:50:04.739
Remember that time we were in that porn program together?

892
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:12.059
I went home and goes, I've been waiting for you.

893
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:18.300
Oh, say these terribly gross pan up her body.

894
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:20.820
What, whoever that woman is, she's got...

895
00:50:20.820 --> 00:50:22.500
Great legs.

896
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:29.280
I mean, it doesn't work convincing.

897
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:30.840
He's probably selling it, though.

898
00:50:33.179 --> 00:50:37.559
I don't know how Quark, but I will ruin you for this.

899
00:50:40.619 --> 00:50:41.579
Great.

900
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:51.059
And actually, I love Odo and Kira going, oh, I never satisfy customer and they come in like a good work, you know, a good job done.

901
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:56.880
They do these fun little subplots.

902
00:50:57.059 --> 00:50:58.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

903
00:50:58.980 --> 00:51:03.900
So they outwit Quark's doing something skeevy and porny and they beat him.

904
00:51:04.019 --> 00:51:05.280
Is that the end of that play?

905
00:51:05.340 --> 00:51:06.059
Yeah, it is.

906
00:51:06.059 --> 00:51:10.139
Do you remember Nathan in sound of her voice when it's um...

907
00:51:10.139 --> 00:51:13.679
Uh, oh, God, I can't even remember what it is now.

908
00:51:13.739 --> 00:51:14.880
There's a wonderful.

909
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:26.159
Oh, no, Jake and Quark are working together to get these crystals on the station and they're trying to go to all these lengths to outwit Odo so he doesn't realise that it's coming.

910
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:29.760
And then and but Odo sees through it all.

911
00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:36.420
And at the end of the episode. him and Kira going off to the holo suite again, and she goes, are you sure you want him to get away with these crystals?

912
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:38.400
And he goes, look, I owe him one, all right?

913
00:51:38.460 --> 00:51:39.900
He did introduce me to you.

914
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:42.780
But he'll only get this one and that's it.

915
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:43.440
And he walks off.

916
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:47.579
I really like those those fun little subplots.

917
00:51:47.699 --> 00:51:51.659
Need I remind you of the no J consortium?

918
00:51:51.900 --> 00:51:58.199
Yeah They've sort of set that stuff up so that they kind of write themselves.

919
00:51:58.320 --> 00:51:59.820
Like, that was a bit nothing.

920
00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:04.500
Again, there's no sort of reversals or anything like that, particularly.

921
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:06.780
I guess there's the surprise reveal at the end.

922
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:07.619
But that was pretty good.

923
00:52:07.739 --> 00:52:10.380
It's a bit nothing good. thank god it's there.

924
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:11.519
Yeah.

925
00:52:11.579 --> 00:52:15.480
Otherwise, we'd be stuck watching this. for 45 minutes.

926
00:52:15.539 --> 00:52:22.500
But, you know, like if they gave this 45 minutes, would that give us enough time, I just don't think they're interested in that relationship.

927
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:26.699
It's not a story about Quark falling in love with a guy and then losing him.

928
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:28.860
It's about.

929
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:30.300
Sorry, didn't I say Quark?

930
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:33.420
falling in love with a guy and losing him.

931
00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:34.920
It's Clark.

932
00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:36.179
That would be, I'd watch that.

933
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.039
No, that's rules of acquisition, remember?

934
00:52:39.780 --> 00:52:52.920
Um, yeah, it's, it's a story about Jadzia falls in love with a guy and then they're separated forever by a space anomaly and you just sort of think, well, that's super boring.

935
00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:55.019
I love story for the ages.

936
00:52:55.440 --> 00:53:01.320
Yeah, and even the separation doesn't fall out of the relationship in any particular way.

937
00:53:01.380 --> 00:53:02.280
Do you know what I mean?

938
00:53:02.340 --> 00:53:10.019
It's just, and they're randomly parted. and they don't even really, like there's, it's a very strange low-key farewell too.

939
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:11.340
Mrs. Hall was there.

940
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:12.960
It's just so flat.

941
00:53:13.019 --> 00:53:17.039
And like, they're like, oh, something's destabilising the Matrix.

942
00:53:17.099 --> 00:53:18.179
I wonder what it could be.

943
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:22.980
And then it takes them about a minute to realise it's Dax when she's the only one not turning gray.

944
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:24.960
That's right.

945
00:53:25.019 --> 00:53:32.219
That's the other thing, too, is that there's something in the script that doesn't rely that doesn't think it can rely on the visuals to tell that part of the story.

946
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:46.860
And so while we've seen this happen for like a couple of minutes now, these scenes where it rocks and now she puts her hand through him, all of that stuff, but we still need it explained to us, you know, like it takes them a long time to work it out.

947
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:51.599
The visuals or it doesn't trust a view, you can tell. to figure out what's going on.

948
00:53:51.659 --> 00:53:53.340
Yeah, maybe both.

949
00:53:53.400 --> 00:54:00.119
But, you know, like, that's why I don't think the visuals are that terrible because I think this, you know, it does sell what's happening.

950
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:04.559
Do you know, that poor woman playing Stalim Rana or whatever her name was?

951
00:54:04.619 --> 00:54:08.280
She just came along at the beginning and went, did a bit of exposition, didn't she?

952
00:54:08.340 --> 00:54:10.139
And then at the end she went, well, come on, let's go.

953
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:11.820
That was her whole role in this episode.

954
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:12.599
How thankless?

955
00:54:12.659 --> 00:54:17.280
I mean, she does, she, she does a few more kind of, I mean, telling you about the thing.

956
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:19.440
Yeah, that is pretty shit, is that?

957
00:54:19.500 --> 00:54:23.880
Actually, I think Terry made a bit, maybe to play it fast.

958
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:26.340
That shot is.

959
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:27.659
She does have more.

960
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:28.860
Terry, come on.

961
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:30.900
Yeah, that was terrible.

962
00:54:30.900 --> 00:54:33.960
I don't think another $200,000 would have helped.

963
00:54:34.019 --> 00:54:37.079
No, no, how would that have happened?

964
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:44.400
Oh, and this is now when she slides down the wall in utter despair, and then we never mention it again.

965
00:54:44.460 --> 00:54:45.900
Yeah, yeah.

966
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:47.880
So pure TNG.

967
00:54:47.940 --> 00:54:49.440
Oh, we didn't do the cliches.

968
00:54:49.500 --> 00:54:50.579
Can you quickly go through them now?

969
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:53.039
Well, no, that was basically it.

970
00:54:53.099 --> 00:55:02.519
It is an absolute Star Trek, the Next Generation romance, you know, that it is about the high concept rather than the romance that the guys are creeping in a sort of way.

971
00:55:02.579 --> 00:55:04.079
What about the masterpiece society?

972
00:55:04.139 --> 00:55:08.760
We did sort of mention that, but again, that's another romance, isn't it?

973
00:55:08.820 --> 00:55:11.039
Is there a romance episode?

974
00:55:11.099 --> 00:55:13.920
Yeah, yeah, Troy, I've forgotten.

975
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:14.880
Troy bangs that guy.

976
00:55:14.940 --> 00:55:18.000
They snorke in front of that dreadful window. you remember?

977
00:55:18.059 --> 00:55:18.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

978
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:20.880
Oh, Dax, don't worry.

979
00:55:20.940 --> 00:55:21.719
Wharf's coming.

980
00:55:21.780 --> 00:55:25.679
Oh, for God's sake. 60 years or so.

981
00:55:25.739 --> 00:55:26.519
Yeah.

982
00:55:26.820 --> 00:55:28.679
That's super boring.

983
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:37.500
And yet, the close-up she gets at the end of rejoined where she's trying to keep it together and she can't quite do it.

984
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:39.239
It's so moving.

985
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:45.360
Avery Brooks just zooms in very slowly on her face and it's all done with Terry Farrell, you know?

986
00:55:46.139 --> 00:55:48.179
Yeah, yeah.

987
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:48.900
Yeah.

988
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:54.000
No, it's, I think it's just the romance is the problem, isn't it?

989
00:55:54.059 --> 00:55:57.179
Well, just the general concept is boring.

990
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:01.440
I've tried to think of any single episode romances in DSI.

991
00:56:01.500 --> 00:56:08.579
I know we've had this conversation before, but now, you know, it's another time and I still can't think of any weather romance was.

992
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:09.659
Do you remember Fenna?

993
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:21.059
Do you have a fenna in 2nd sight, the mysterious woman in red. that Cisco keeps seeing around the station, and then it turns out she's the, where go with this.

994
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:27.539
She's the lover of Professor Sayatik, this mad eccentric that's going to ignite.

995
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:31.320
He's there doing a scientific experiment as we tend to do in these romance episodes.

996
00:56:31.380 --> 00:56:39.420
And it turns out that Fenner that he's seeing is a projection of her anxieties because she's sort of beaten down in this relationship.

997
00:56:39.539 --> 00:56:42.239
I mean, it's just terrible.

998
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:44.099
The level I can't describe.

999
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:53.460
But then, I don't know, after in series four, they barely do the single episode romances after that.

1000
00:56:53.699 --> 00:56:55.079
Yeah.

1001
00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:58.320
I mean, I think it's a shame because as I said, I like romance.

1002
00:56:58.380 --> 00:57:03.480
And when we did, when we did all those episodes ago.

1003
00:57:03.539 --> 00:57:17.159
When we did subrosa, I said that one of the things that it does is, it moves into areas that are domestic and that are traditionally female concerns.

1004
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:24.000
And, um, I don't mean that it's doing it to appeal to women or anything like that.

1005
00:57:24.059 --> 00:57:43.380
What I mean is that it takes in and deals with some aspects of life that are kind of absent, say, from original track, and that have the potential to make the characters more rounded and interesting and increase the kind, you know, the range of stories that the show can tell.

1006
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:47.519
But they just do it badly all the time, I think.

1007
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:49.079
And that's a problem.

1008
00:57:49.139 --> 00:57:51.659
In Kurtzman Trek.

1009
00:57:51.719 --> 00:58:07.860
The assumption is that in the future, yeah. women and men do exactly the same roles, they're as competent as each other, and when they have romances, they're equally as adept at handling them, and that's the approach to take, right?

1010
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:09.179
Yeah.

1011
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:22.679
I mean, this I, this kind of does that because, you know, you have the sort of drag factor of the original casting of Star Trek, the Next Generation, where you have women in traditionally caring roles.

1012
00:58:22.739 --> 00:58:31.199
I know that doctors are traditionally men, but, you know, it's a caring role and Deanna's role.

1013
00:58:31.260 --> 00:58:38.639
And then you've got kind of yeah, kind of going against height by being security thing, but then she's very quickly not in the show anymore.

1014
00:58:38.699 --> 00:58:42.659
And so the 2 female leads have these sort of traditional roles here.

1015
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:49.679
You've got Kira, who is 2nd in command and you've got Dax, who is science officer.

1016
00:58:49.739 --> 00:58:52.980
And so they're a bit less stereotyped.

1017
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:56.940
Like I don't think there's any indication in this episode.

1018
00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:08.940
For instance, that she was going to give up, you know, as you said, he was going to give up his life and stay with her and let the planet kind of warp off into its other dimension for 60 years without him.

1019
00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:12.840
So I don't think that the sexism of it's a problem.

1020
00:59:12.900 --> 00:59:19.380
But I do think that there's no real sense of what makes someone attractive here.

1021
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:22.380
Or what makes someone attractive to Dax.

1022
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:24.840
Why is Dax attracted to this man?

1023
00:59:24.900 --> 00:59:26.579
And if you're doing a romance?

1024
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:28.199
That's what's interesting, isn't it?

1025
00:59:28.260 --> 00:59:30.179
Like, it's got to be about the characters.

1026
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.099
It can't be about the space anomaly.

1027
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:34.619
And I think that that's the problem, why it doesn't work.

1028
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:41.760
Where, and we talked about this, but where DS9 strengths lie, is long form storytelling and not really single episodes.

1029
00:59:41.820 --> 01:00:05.880
So doing a romance like this doesn't work, but say just putting something out of a hat, having Cisco and Cassidy's engagement and wedding threaded through the last 10 episodes of the series or having Odo and Kira's relationship threaded through the 6 part arc at the beginning of series 6 where it looks like he's defecting to the Dominion and they're doing really interesting things with the relationships.

1030
01:00:05.940 --> 01:00:10.079
Although, I mean, the payoff to that where they just go in a cupboard in Dax's wedding.

1031
01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:15.480
And just sort out their problems and then come out and go, well, we've sorted it, you know, wonderful.

1032
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.559
But that's where DS9 thrives, isn't it?

1033
01:00:19.619 --> 01:00:23.760
By giving us a little bit at a time rather than doing it all in one go.

1034
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:28.739
Can I throw one last quote at you from Renee Chivaria?

1035
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:30.539
I think makes an interesting point.

1036
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:38.039
He goes, I think it's Ira's sister is the one who said it seemed like an original series episode, and I'll take that as a compliment.

1037
01:00:38.099 --> 01:00:39.960
On the original Star Trek.

1038
01:00:40.019 --> 01:00:48.599
They often ask the audience to accept a love story, a huge premise or a tragic separation, sometimes all 3 in a single episode.

1039
01:00:49.019 --> 01:00:56.159
I don't think that's untrue, but I think the original series would probably have done it better than this.

1040
01:00:56.280 --> 01:00:57.719
Yeah.

1041
01:00:57.780 --> 01:00:58.619
Yeah.

1042
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:00.480
I don't I don't know.

1043
01:01:00.539 --> 01:01:02.039
I like the idea.

1044
01:01:02.099 --> 01:01:03.599
Like, I get the idea.

1045
01:01:03.659 --> 01:01:07.920
A romance, high concept thing and a tragic separation.

1046
01:01:07.980 --> 01:01:14.159
I think that all of that has a potential to be really good, but I just don't think they're interested in the romance at all.

1047
01:01:14.219 --> 01:01:19.559
And so there's nothing there and that needs to be the centre of it, I think.

1048
01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:31.079
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to find out where we're going next.

1049
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:35.099
You chose this one, Joe, so it's my turn.

1050
01:01:35.340 --> 01:01:40.019
I would like to just say before you even tell us which series you're going to choose.

1051
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:44.460
I did, in fact, want a truly dreadful episode of DS9.

1052
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:46.199
So I think I...

1053
01:01:46.260 --> 01:01:47.880
We should have made that point.

1054
01:01:47.940 --> 01:01:49.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1055
01:01:49.260 --> 01:01:58.679
And I think what we learn is that a truly dreadful episode of Deep Space 9 isn't quite the atrocity that it might be in another series and that we can still have fun watching it.

1056
01:01:58.739 --> 01:02:00.480
We did laugh a lot, yes.

1057
01:02:00.539 --> 01:02:01.380
We did.

1058
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:18.000
So a thing has happened over the past few weeks, which is that 20 episodes of Prodigy dropped on Netflix, which means that Prodigy is now our least covered series.

1059
01:02:18.059 --> 01:02:25.739
We have done 11.34% of the episodes of Enterprise.

1060
01:02:25.739 --> 01:02:30.420
And 12.31% of the episodes of Discovery.

1061
01:02:30.420 --> 01:02:31.920
Prodigy.

1062
01:02:31.980 --> 01:02:34.199
We've done 7.69%.

1063
01:02:34.260 --> 01:02:36.059
And so that's 40 episodes.

1064
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:41.280
We make it 39 because the 1st episode was, you know, our long one.

1065
01:02:41.340 --> 01:02:45.960
Um, and so I'm going to pick a prodigy one.

1066
01:02:46.019 --> 01:02:57.659
Now, I don't want to pick one from too late in the run because it is super serialised, and I think it would be kind of incomprehensible, and I don't want to have to kind of watch...

1067
01:02:57.659 --> 01:03:01.139
Well, basically, to choose one up until the port you've watched it.

1068
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:02.699
Yeah, basically.

1069
01:03:02.820 --> 01:03:05.519
So let's see how we go.

1070
01:03:06.300 --> 01:03:08.699
Okay, we're not going to do this one.

1071
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:14.340
Your random Star Trek prodigy episode is the Ascension part one, which is season two, episode 15.

1072
01:03:15.300 --> 01:03:17.639
Let's try another one.

1073
01:03:17.699 --> 01:03:18.960
Part one.

1074
01:03:19.019 --> 01:03:20.940
Hmm.

1075
01:03:21.059 --> 01:03:24.000
So this is Into the Breach part two.

1076
01:03:24.059 --> 01:03:26.219
I actually watched this today.

1077
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:31.980
That would mean that we'd have to watch Into the Breach part one as well.

1078
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:33.480
That's our rule.

1079
01:03:33.539 --> 01:03:37.260
That would be season two, episodes one and two.

1080
01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:42.360
So we would see the 2nd season start off.

1081
01:03:42.539 --> 01:03:44.519
Well, let's do that then.

1082
01:03:44.579 --> 01:03:45.239
Let's do that then.

1083
01:03:45.300 --> 01:03:56.519
I'm not sure that you've watched much of the 2nd half of series one, which was sort of 10 episodes that dropped and kind of changed the premise of the show quite a bit.

1084
01:03:56.579 --> 01:04:02.639
Although we did, I think, do we did do one of these.

1085
01:04:02.699 --> 01:04:04.139
One that was quite late.

1086
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:04.619
Quite late.

1087
01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:06.300
Things were starting to roll.

1088
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:07.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1089
01:04:07.860 --> 01:04:29.760
And some new interesting things happen at the beginning of series 2, which I quite liked, some, you know, new character development things, and it is heading off into quite a complex plot, and that is very serialised, but this is, I think this is a good introduction to the 2nd series.

1090
01:04:29.820 --> 01:04:30.780
Colam intrigue.

1091
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:32.639
Plus you love a series two, episode one.

1092
01:04:32.699 --> 01:04:37.559
I do. to see how that's a nice year is reformats itself in its 2nd year.

1093
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:38.159
Exactly.

1094
01:04:38.219 --> 01:04:46.500
And actually, it'd be quite interesting to just jump in not having watched the tail end of series one, to see how well that does if somebody was just jumping in at the start.

1095
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:47.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1096
01:04:47.579 --> 01:04:49.380
Okay, yeah let's do it.

1097
01:04:56.699 --> 01:05:08.280
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1098
01:05:08.340 --> 01:05:13.800
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisarin and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1099
01:05:13.860 --> 01:05:20.219
This episode was recorded on the 16th of July, 2024, and released on the 26th of July.

1100
01:05:20.219 --> 01:05:26.159
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Prodigy into the breach part one and into the breach part two.

1101
01:05:41.219 --> 01:05:44.159
And I'll get my notes such as they are.

1102
01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:46.920
There's really nothing.

1103
01:05:46.980 --> 01:05:49.860
I'm hoping you can tell me something about brigadoo.

1104
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:51.659
No, I really don't know anything about it at all.

1105
01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:53.280
No, I don't either.

1106
01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:55.920
Let's look it up very quickly.

1107
01:06:01.980 --> 01:06:14.760
A musical, because there was a TV show called Schmigadoon recently, which was, it's by Lerner and Lowe, Mysterious Scottish Village that appears for one day every 100 years.

1108
01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:18.420
How does that end?

1109
01:06:19.619 --> 01:06:21.900
Blah, blah, blah.

1110
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:25.320
Okay, I don't care.

1111
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:32.039
So essentially it's the same premise, yeah?

1112
01:06:32.099 --> 01:06:32.579
Like that.

1113
01:06:32.579 --> 01:06:33.059
Yeah.

1114
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:33.960
Yeah.

1115
01:06:34.619 --> 01:06:38.940
Yeah, they must be very excited by that, but I think it's a bit shit.

1116
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:41.880
What's the other one?

1117
01:06:41.940 --> 01:06:43.079
That was the idea, though.

1118
01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:46.260
Wink of an eye.

1119
01:06:46.260 --> 01:06:47.340
Much better than this.

1120
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:49.800
Wink of an eye, blink of an eye, wink of an eye.

1121
01:06:49.860 --> 01:06:55.860
Although interesting, I think they use the same picture you've got behind you there. blink of an eye for one of the various stages of that planet.

1122
01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:57.420
Oh, do they?

1123
01:06:57.480 --> 01:06:59.400
Is Blink of an eye the Voyager one?

1124
01:06:59.460 --> 01:07:08.699
Yeah, it's the one where forages in space, there's like a star and they build like whole religions around it because time is...

1125
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:15.179
They do the same thing in the orval as well. can't remember that.

1126
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:19.139
And then there's an episode called Wink of an eye.

1127
01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:21.239
That's the original here, isn't it?

1128
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:22.920
is original Trek.

1129
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:25.260
And what happens there?

1130
01:07:25.500 --> 01:07:28.320
Wink of an eye works best.

1131
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:32.340
If you don't try to use reasoning or logic.

1132
01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:37.679
That's Star Trek in general.

1133
01:07:38.460 --> 01:07:40.860
Oh, and that's the same thing.

1134
01:07:42.179 --> 01:07:44.880
Okay, all right, that's super boring.

1135
01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:53.159
Yeah, no, um, Orville does a great version of it, a really good one.

1136
01:07:53.219 --> 01:07:55.199
I can't remember.

1137
01:07:55.199 --> 01:08:00.000
I don't remember too much. that being a god being made into a god.

1138
01:08:00.059 --> 01:08:06.059
And then the people from that planet appear again in the 3rd series, which is a fucking brilliant series.

1139
01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:07.619
Yeah, I haven't watched it.

1140
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:08.280
I need to.

1141
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:09.539
It's really great.

1142
01:08:09.659 --> 01:08:16.560
I watched it over a weekend and it's like 8 episodes, but they're all like an hour and 20 minutes or an hour, 30 minutes long.

1143
01:08:16.619 --> 01:08:19.739
They're all like short movies and they're really good.

1144
01:08:19.739 --> 01:08:25.920
Like and the whole plot, the whole thing hangs together. they. good reception really well.

1145
01:08:25.979 --> 01:08:26.699
I don't know.

1146
01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:28.079
I thought it was fucking great.

1147
01:08:28.140 --> 01:08:29.640
Like, it was a problem.

1148
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:31.560
You used to have so much money from it.

1149
01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:33.180
That 2nd series anyway.

1150
01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:44.279
The 3rd series looked brilliant and it picked up on all of these threads from the previous series in a way that didn't, wasn't annoying and yeah, just good.

1151
01:08:44.340 --> 01:08:48.300
Unlike this episode, which has stock colony set number 68.

1152
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:49.800
Yeah, number one.

1153
01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:54.960
Although, I do think this is the point where they have started to learn how to lie.

1154
01:08:55.020 --> 01:08:57.659
You know, you said there was a point where they, do you not?

1155
01:08:57.779 --> 01:09:00.779
No, the inside was super boring.

1156
01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:02.100
Oh, yeah.

1157
01:09:02.100 --> 01:09:03.960
Disagree.

1158
01:09:04.380 --> 01:09:06.359
Yeah, it's okay.

1159
01:09:06.420 --> 01:09:07.739
But it's not the inner light.

1160
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:10.560
Because where they...

1161
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:15.659
I just remember that for a test makeup that Patrick Stuart's to wear on Patrick.

1162
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:16.979
That's what he looks like now.

1163
01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:19.260
No, that's not true.

1164
01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:24.659
His face would have to be out here.

1165
01:09:26.460 --> 01:09:28.439
Oh god.

1166
01:09:29.699 --> 01:09:33.539
All right, all right, all right, right, right, right, right, right, right.

1167
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:34.020
Okay.

1168
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:35.340
And it's my choice at the end.

1169
01:09:37.140 --> 01:09:40.500
Yeah, let's have something good after this pair, right?

1170
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:42.539
That's how it Dixon.

1171
01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:44.699
Don't choose our best.

1172
01:09:46.020 --> 01:09:47.460
Okay.

1173
01:09:47.699 --> 01:09:49.319
Here goes.

1174
01:09:50.100 --> 01:09:53.399
Hey, Joe. Hi.