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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back, and for our sins, we've decided to watch an

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episode of the animated series.

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And it is season one, episode eight.

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The magics of Megas 2.

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It has a K in it.

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Um, and I forgot to find out what score jammer gave this one, but

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what score did you give it?

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Jamma gave this one star out of four. and said it was highly

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disappointing and embarrassing. and I would give this off.

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I mean, I'm using the animated series as my sort of critical

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comparison point.

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Yeah.

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I'll give him maybe 3 styles out of four.

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You said before, this is of the ones that we've done so far, your

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favourite.

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It's a low bar, but yes.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yes, only because, well, a couple of reasons.

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One is, I did think it sort of skipped along. nicely.

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It had a big pace for it because every 2.5 minutes, It became a

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completely different episode.

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And two, because it became a different episode, every 2.5 minutes

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they had to draw some pictures, which was very nice.

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Like there was some actual, I'm not going to say visual splendour

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but there was some imagination in how this was presented, which is

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not always the case with the animated series.

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Well, except, you know, we have had some weird things like the, do

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you remember when we did the counterclock incident and space was

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white and the stars were black and stuff.

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There is a sense in which, even though this is animated incredibly

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cheaply.

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They want to do weird things that they couldn't have done in a

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live action version.

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And given that that's what I think Star Trek should be doing.

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I you know, give it some points for that.

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But it's just the inane simplicity of the whole thing.

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It's so linear and so massively dumb.

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Since we last spoke, Netflix dropped 20 episodes of Star Trek

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Prodigy, and I've watched about a 3rd of it now in the last day or

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so, and it just comparing the storytelling of prodigy to this.

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You know, they're both clearly for children, but this is clearly

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for children who've suffered a recent savage blow to the hair.

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Because it's so moronic and so simplistic compared to anything

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that you get now.

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I mean, I think the expectation on what kids can handle with

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television from 1972 2024, they're a world apart.

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Like kids are older, younger now.

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Well, I think that there is this thing which I say always, which

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is that we get better at consuming television.

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So storytelling can be more interesting and more challenging and

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can sort of allied over things that have to be spelled out in

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earlier TV and stuff.

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So we get better at telling stories via television and better at

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consuming them.

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So I think that's true of Star Trek as well.

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But this is really, I mean, this is very dumb, isn't it?

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Even, I think, taking the time period into account.

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We've had a free week break since we recorded our last one.

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We were so far ahead that the Star Trek project fans have only

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missed one week's worth of, you know, Star Trek critique of the

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highest order.

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Yeah, whilst you've had a lovely Greek sojourn, and I've been not

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podcasting for a bit.

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And actually, to come back to Star Trek at such an infantile level

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it's actually, so I sort of slowly massaging your way back into it

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you know.

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I'll put it on and I didn't have to think about it at all.

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Just look to the pretty pictures and went, oh, well, that was fun

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you know, although pretty much that's how I went to summarise this

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at the end.

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In the last scene, you even have Spock deliver the moral straight

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to the audience, you know?

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Wow, that really was Lucifer.

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Well, he wasn't cast out this time.

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This is the one time he's been saved.

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I actually think there are some interesting and very weird ideas

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here.

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And part of it is, like, I looked at... about 5 of these episodes

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for so many ideas in this.

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But the interesting thing is, right?

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This is written by Larry Brody, who has the story credit for the

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Voyager episode tattoo.

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So, are you serious?

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Yeah, the only episode where you see Chakotay's butt, except it's

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not Chakotay. body double because Belgian didn't want to get his

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butt out.

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No, I didn't want to show his button.

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Yeah, that was the one where they truly led into all of the

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dreadful, embarrassing Native American stuff.

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Yeah.

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So his original idea was that God would be at the centre of the

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galaxy and and that makes sense because it's the place where

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matter is created and that's the thing that God does.

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But of course, no, come on, we don't want to do that in the anime

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series, they weren't allowed to do that.

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Do you know what I mean?

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They weren't allowed to do that in 1973.

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The studio forbade it because, you know, God, and that's very

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important.

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What happened to Star Trek 5 then?

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Yes, that's the thing.

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Well, that's a movie and that's later.

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Shatner's ego was like, I'm not allowed to do this.

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Of course I'm going to do it.

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It's really weird, though, because the memory alpha article for

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neither this nor Star Trek 5, the final frontier, mentions that

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they share an original idea at all.

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So that's super strange.

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And so they were allowed to swap it to be the devil.

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So it's actually the devil.

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They weren't allowed to do God, but they were allowed to do the

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devil.

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But then the way that they do, the devil is so interesting and

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kind of oddly subversive.

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And that's the one interesting thing that I think that this has

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going for it, is what they do with the devil.

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And so we'll talk about it to go true. businessman, don't they?

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Hello, gut and curve.

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I think there's more to it than that.

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And I think there's something interesting about it.

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So we will get on to that.

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Oh, I'm pleased that you found something interesting to say about

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this.

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Yeah, we'll pretend they had something in mind when they were

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making this.

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I will say I will say that from scene to scene.

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It was just a lot of fun and I really, I really genuinely did

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enjoy the um, the static cartoons. watching this.

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Not a lot of movement.

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Right now, Nathan's got this fabulous cityscape behind him there.

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Magus 2, the centre of the universe.

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And actually, it's very retro, sort of retro 50 sci-fi, isn't it?

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gorgeous.

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It's really, it's sort of 60s modernist, I think.

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But with the sort of mediaeval temples in there as well.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The great thing is you can see the brush strokes in the sky.

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Like it's just a painting, but it's a really stunningly good

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painting, I think. it's pretty great There is some, you know

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there's some things to be said for this.

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Not worthy of one Star Wars Gamma.

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No.

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It's better than 2.5 .

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Exactly.

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All right.

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What do you think?

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Should we go in?

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Oh, I think we better dare two, yes.

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All right.

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Okay.

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I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I feel like more Star Trek episodes should have titles like the

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magics of Megas 2 because it does sound quite enticing.

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We've got straight into the title sequence, yes.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, they rarely do a teaser, I think.

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It mustn't have been a thing that they were permitted to do.

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Do you watch the music for every time like I do?

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I watch the music through for everything, even 90 Star Trek, even

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Deep Space 9 and Voyager.

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I'm there watching the whole time.

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Jesus.

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I'm surprised you make it through the episode, then, if you wash

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it all.

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But this one, the lounge music version of the original theory is

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actually secretly pretty grain.

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Like I said, I've been watching Prodigy and I've been singing

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along with that music because I just think that's awesome.

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That's Michael Cicchino.

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Oh, yeah, but yeah.

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It's a new title sequence too.

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Slightly.

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Well, Ralph ducked his head in the door while the title sequence

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was on.

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And he saw the Enterprise sort of shoot across the screen sideways

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like it does.

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And they sort of looking very confused about what the hell I was

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watching.

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So he doesn't know about the original series.

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He doesn't want to know, really.

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No, fair enough.

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Fair enough.

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Stardate 1254.4.4.

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Yep, yep.

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Do you remember when you used to do the Stardates at the start of

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these episodes?

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What happened to that?

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Well, no, they're still on the website.

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I still put them on the website for sure.

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I just remembered one of those early episodes, you were always

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telling me, I'll go, thank you for, it's very useful.

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So we're on a mission to go to the centre of the galaxy, liking

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Star Trek five.

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I think we kidnapped, aren't we?

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hijacked and sent to the centre of the universe in that.

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And what's the mission?

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I don't know, look at shit.

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My God, look at these fireworks in space.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So they're going to the point where things are created.

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It's actually the opposite of what we think is at the centre of

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the galaxy now.

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So there's matter being created and, you know, making the galaxy

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which is, you know, why not?

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Spock says about 5 times in this episode.

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What an extraordinary phenomenon, Captain.

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Oh, I didn't know this.

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McCoy's just walked in now.

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I only guess to throw racist shade at Spock about 4 times.

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Excellent.

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Yeah, sort of like, so the animation here, they're just sort of

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doing scribbles across the regular pictures.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But we'll take it.

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It's something.

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It's an attempt to do something and to look weird.

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Like I'm there for it.

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It's pretty, you know, crappy, but whatever.

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It's moving a lot more than their faces are in this scene.

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Well, that's it.

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I love dramatic close-ups.

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Orp 10 everyone's going to be a lizard any minute.

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That's right.

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Oh, that woman.

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She's an Apple woman who fell over in the garage.

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That's Christine Chaplin.

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I didn't see the t-shray.

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They love they love that high angle shot, the bridge, don't they?

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In the anime series.

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It's one of like 3 stock shots they've got on the bridge.

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Well, they don't have to put a crane up in order to get it to

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happen.

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They can just draw it, you know?

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Can you love this?

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Kurt going, wow, let's hope it works like weather on earth.

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You know, we'll go straight into the eye of the storm.

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Space storms are always like that.

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Nathan, we are already one. 5 minutes into this episode and

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already we're in the eye of the storm.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It doesn't waste any time, does it?

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Okay, so everything's damaged.

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What's happening?

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We're in a red hurricane.

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It's scientifically fascinating.

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Scientifically fascinating, he said.

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Now, I think something weird happens with the way McCoy is

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animated here because we'll get...

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We've just McCoy's animation.

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Well, no, no, no, it's all terrible in every...

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The Enterprise has vanished.

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Oh, it just vanished.

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Straight into the time tunnel.

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Disco.

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Jimmy Darren's disco.

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The time tunnel and Frisbees.

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It's flying past Frisbees.

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And now it's going to be the stripy candy planet.

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I once.

262
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Oh my god, doesn't the planet look like a bonbon?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

264
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Yeah, it does.

265
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Yeah.

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Once upon a time, you know, I did have a space muffin in Amsterdam

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and I was seeing visions a bit like this.

268
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

269
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No, I didn't see that.

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I think Ahura's hair in animation is she's got this fabulous

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buffon haircut in animation.

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She's very, very 60s looking.

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I mean, she's in the in live action at this point, but, uh, yeah

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not to put too fine aponents, but she's quite perky as well. in

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animotion.

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Ah okay.

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I never really noticed.

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Oh, Jim, we need oxygen, thanks.

279
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I'm glad the doctor's on the bridge.

280
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So systems are dead.

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All systems are dead.

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And then he just falls.

283
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No, he gently lowers himself and lies on his little console

284
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there.

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Oh, there goes McCoy.

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Whee, a duggo's bock in the foreground.

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Look at this hallucinatory animation now.

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It's wonderful.

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Oh, here it comes.

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Here he is.

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It's so devil.

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This is Lucian.

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He is ripped in a way that is deeply unpleasant to look at.

294
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So he's the devil.

295
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So he's got horns and he's got goat legs, so he's like a satyr, um

296
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or a fawn and he's really jacked.

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Oh my god.

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Can you imagine why?

299
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If you were between his legs.

300
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He would pop you like a spot, wouldn't he?

301
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He is really gross looking.

302
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And, of course, he is voiced by master of dialect.

303
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Jimmy Doan.

304
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He's very jolly.

305
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That's the thing about it is he's super jolly.

306
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He even calls there he is calling Spock my elfin friend, which I

307
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think is sort of delight.

308
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So it pops off and goes, ah, wonderful. primitive humans.

309
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Yeah. he loves humans.

310
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Like, that's kind of interesting.

311
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No, it's okay.

312
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It's fun.

313
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So he is, but he's fun.

314
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You know, like, um, there's something about him where he's fun and

315
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what he likes is, what he likes about humans is their curiosity

316
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and their thirst to know more and stuff like that.

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And remember that, that the devil rebels against God.

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You know, God creates everything and everyone has to kind of

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worship him and stuff.

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And the devil says, yeah, you know, screw that.

321
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I'm going to go off and do something else.

322
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And so he gets hurled out of heaven.

323
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Um, Um, oh, dear, look, Jim's all Walt Wibley.

324
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Elongation.

325
00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:09.179
Yeah, he's a bit long, Mr. Tickle right now.

326
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He'd forgotten how much bodily integrity means to you humans, which

327
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is an odd thing to say.

328
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Um, so, so he kind of represents the human kind of drive to

329
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explore and to know and be curious, you know, Is he the reason why

330
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they go to Earth?

331
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In this episode, are they following Lucian?

332
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or did all of the Megas Tuums head to us?

333
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No, so they used to go to Earth.

334
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He's been to earth before.

335
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And in fact, one of the weird things that this episode does is

336
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that it makes wizards canonical.

337
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Look, there's little baby Lucian.

338
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Yeah, this is where I was trying to get confused now.

339
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Then they're in a forest.

340
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And then we got all this exposition about them coming to earth and

341
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I'm like, yeah, there isn't much focus in this episode.

342
00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:01.620
No, no, they've had an idea.

343
00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:02.340
Yeah, beautiful.

344
00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:05.159
They have an idea, but they've got no plot, right?

345
00:16:05.220 --> 00:16:08.820
So he just stands around and explains the idea.

346
00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:12.120
And the idea is kind of interesting, but it's also sort of super

347
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dumb as well.

348
00:16:12.779 --> 00:16:14.519
But they're 25 minute episodes.

349
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They just don't have time to explore any of their stuff.

350
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They drop it.

351
00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.320
Do you watch an episode of Lower Decks or prodigy?

352
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You can tell a story in 25 minutes.

353
00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:25.200
It's just they can't.

354
00:16:25.259 --> 00:16:27.960
Okay, they don't have the ability to explore it.

355
00:16:28.019 --> 00:16:30.000
Look at him giving them apples, right?

356
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It's the devil.

357
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He's giving them apples to eat in a beautiful garden.

358
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Like the Garden of Eden.

359
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And remember the apples.

360
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The fruit is the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.

361
00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:44.399
So, you know, when humanity rebels against God, it's because it

362
00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:46.440
wants to know something, you know.

363
00:16:46.500 --> 00:16:52.500
And so that, like, and and here, wizards are real, right?

364
00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:58.799
So the people of Magus 2, they're all wizards, and he's literally

365
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dressed up as a stereotypical wizard, robes and everything.

366
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They were on earth before being wizards.

367
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And he says that they were doing magic and stuff.

368
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They were using their magical abilities to help, you know, Earth's

369
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rulers and stuff like that.

370
00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:18.420
So magic is real in the Star Trek universe and wizards were really

371
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on earth.

372
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Kings had wizards and the wizards did magic and it was because

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they were from here.

374
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I could begin to see why Roddenberry might have decanonized all of

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the animated series.

376
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I'm not having magic and all this nonsense in Star Trek.

377
00:17:31.500 --> 00:17:34.680
Although he did decanonize Star Trek 5 as well.

378
00:17:34.740 --> 00:17:37.799
But, yeah, it's a fun idea.

379
00:17:37.859 --> 00:17:40.079
Well, I think it's a fun idea too.

380
00:17:40.140 --> 00:17:43.799
And it's a strange magic, whatever they're called.

381
00:17:43.859 --> 00:17:45.720
They look a bit like the Ku Klux can, don't they?

382
00:17:45.779 --> 00:17:47.279
They do.

383
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That's it.

384
00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:52.500
And the Kluklas gag came to earth and decided to push forward

385
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humanity.

386
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But see, they're presented. like these people, they're specialists

387
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where resolution isn't.

388
00:18:01.140 --> 00:18:03.180
Oh, I really want to lick that planet.

389
00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:04.500
Yeah, yeah.

390
00:18:04.500 --> 00:18:07.680
Oh, that is the worst bit of animation when you see them make us 2

391
00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:11.880
and flying off from their planet to a...

392
00:18:11.940 --> 00:18:14.640
Yeah, so they end up on this painting of earth, which we've now

393
00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:15.960
seen. nice as well.

394
00:18:16.019 --> 00:18:17.519
It is quite good, isn't it?

395
00:18:17.579 --> 00:18:17.940
Yeah.

396
00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:21.660
Yeah, well, they do cloud cover because it's 1973 and so they've

397
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seen what Earth looks like from space by now.

398
00:18:23.700 --> 00:18:25.019
You know what I mean?

399
00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:26.460
Like, yeah, yeah.

400
00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.359
So they came to work, he said, in search of companionship.

401
00:18:30.420 --> 00:18:33.960
Yeah, they came on Earth and worked as wizards, but then they had

402
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to leave and go back.

403
00:18:35.339 --> 00:18:38.279
And the specialists are oppressing him.

404
00:18:38.339 --> 00:18:43.380
You know, he enjoys being with humans, but they don't want that.

405
00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:46.559
And so, you know, he loves he loves earth people.

406
00:18:46.619 --> 00:18:48.720
This is a weird portrayal of the devil.

407
00:18:48.779 --> 00:18:53.519
They make us 2 and then they all went to Salem. for some reason

408
00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:56.700
just to hang out, and that's when they was all tried as wizards.

409
00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:58.440
No, no, no, no.

410
00:18:58.500 --> 00:19:01.799
The Salem is like a weird holiday fantasy thing.

411
00:19:01.859 --> 00:19:05.279
It's like they create that in order to...

412
00:19:05.339 --> 00:19:05.700
Are you sure?

413
00:19:05.700 --> 00:19:07.200
I swear...

414
00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:09.299
That was part of their history.

415
00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:13.259
Salem was part of their history because they were real wizards and

416
00:19:13.259 --> 00:19:14.099
witches, you see.

417
00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:15.299
Yeah.

418
00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:20.279
I love I love the bit of the minute where I'm about to get it now

419
00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:23.940
where Spock's trying to do the magic tricks to make the chess

420
00:19:23.940 --> 00:19:24.720
piece move.

421
00:19:24.779 --> 00:19:27.900
And then they're all trying to focus because we know we're headed

422
00:19:27.900 --> 00:19:32.700
to the big climax where it's going to be a magic off between the

423
00:19:32.700 --> 00:19:34.559
Megas tour and then Captain Kirk.

424
00:19:34.619 --> 00:19:35.519
Yeah, yeah.

425
00:19:35.579 --> 00:19:36.000
Yeah.

426
00:19:36.059 --> 00:19:38.400
And that's such a weird choice, isn't it?

427
00:19:38.460 --> 00:19:39.240
so odd.

428
00:19:39.299 --> 00:19:41.160
So strange.

429
00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:43.380
Yeah.

430
00:19:43.380 --> 00:19:46.140
Spock's sort of leaning very, uh...

431
00:19:46.140 --> 00:19:48.779
It's quite relaxed every spot like, is it?

432
00:19:48.900 --> 00:19:52.079
I didn't think they had that drawing of him anyway.

433
00:19:52.140 --> 00:19:57.420
So, yeah, so they have to learn here.

434
00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:01.740
Well, no, they have to learn to accept that magic is real

435
00:20:01.740 --> 00:20:06.180
themselves and to manipulate it, to use it themselves in order to

436
00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:07.559
get out of this situation, right?

437
00:20:07.619 --> 00:20:10.559
But they don't really do the magic versus science thing, do they?

438
00:20:10.619 --> 00:20:13.680
It just, this is a new way of thinking, get with it.

439
00:20:13.740 --> 00:20:17.640
Yeah, because we're in another universe where different laws apply

440
00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:20.819
like the time trap or the counterclock incident where we're also

441
00:20:20.819 --> 00:20:23.339
in other universes where the laws don't apply.

442
00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:27.779
You know, well, Dr. McCoy is going to go, come on, Spuck, there's

443
00:20:27.779 --> 00:20:30.480
no way you're going to move that chess piece through power of

444
00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:30.779
thought.

445
00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.000
So it's belief.

446
00:20:33.059 --> 00:20:39.660
Isn't doesn't he say that in this universe belief is strong.

447
00:20:39.660 --> 00:20:40.680
Yeah.

448
00:20:40.740 --> 00:20:44.279
I did like the fact that he said, it is logical, and then he

449
00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:45.900
follows it up.

450
00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:48.119
Yeah, I really like that. pretty good.

451
00:20:48.180 --> 00:20:48.960
Yeah.

452
00:20:49.019 --> 00:20:51.720
Although then the next line's very over there.

453
00:20:51.779 --> 00:20:53.160
The power of my supreme being.

454
00:20:53.579 --> 00:20:55.619
Move this chest.

455
00:20:55.619 --> 00:20:56.700
Yeah, you do magic.

456
00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:58.319
That's how you do magic.

457
00:20:58.380 --> 00:20:59.339
He's a proper wizard.

458
00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:01.799
Oh, look, he's got wibbly hands.

459
00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:06.359
I mean, it's exactly the sort of scenes we get with Chewbok and

460
00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:08.099
Kez, you know, when she was exploring her powers.

461
00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:09.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

462
00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:10.380
Yeah, that's right.

463
00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:13.559
I mean, sort of Star Trek in the real world sort of has that sort

464
00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:15.359
of magic anyway, doesn't it?

465
00:21:15.420 --> 00:21:17.339
Gosh, that planet looks delicious.

466
00:21:17.460 --> 00:21:19.799
I know, I keep saying that, but...

467
00:21:19.859 --> 00:21:20.579
Yeah.

468
00:21:20.579 --> 00:21:22.140
I shove it in my gob.

469
00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:28.980
Oh, they'll Sulu creates this, he creates this beautiful Asian

470
00:21:28.980 --> 00:21:30.299
woman for himself.

471
00:21:30.299 --> 00:21:33.299
It's just like he'll not know what reason.

472
00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:34.500
Come on.

473
00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:37.019
We don't buy that, man.

474
00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:39.539
We've seen those movies.

475
00:21:39.539 --> 00:21:41.400
No, then it turns out it's a ripped guy.

476
00:21:41.460 --> 00:21:42.359
You know what I mean?

477
00:21:43.980 --> 00:21:47.220
The magic show your true passions.

478
00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:49.799
Yeah.

479
00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:52.980
And I love this.

480
00:21:52.980 --> 00:21:57.480
Like, are we expecting a twist where he's a bad guy and we don't

481
00:21:57.480 --> 00:21:58.799
get that because he's...

482
00:21:58.799 --> 00:21:59.759
No, he's very charming.

483
00:21:59.819 --> 00:22:02.519
And in fact, I love at the end where they're going, you know, we

484
00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:07.619
will cast out Lucian and Captain Kirk's like, no, please, he is a

485
00:22:07.619 --> 00:22:08.700
sentient being.

486
00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:12.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah. you said earlier, this is for very simple

487
00:22:12.779 --> 00:22:13.380
children.

488
00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:13.859
Yeah.

489
00:22:15.299 --> 00:22:18.299
It's just about pitched at my level, Nathan.

490
00:22:18.420 --> 00:22:19.079
I'm worst.

491
00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:25.259
Oh, no, the Enterprise is landing. crash on the planet.

492
00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:28.380
We've had a couple of episodes recently where there's been some

493
00:22:28.380 --> 00:22:30.900
very intelligent readings from you where I'm going, really?

494
00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:32.160
Is that what this was all about?

495
00:22:32.220 --> 00:22:35.880
Whereas I had no trouble at all, understanding the magics of

496
00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:36.480
makers too.

497
00:22:39.539 --> 00:22:40.259
Oh, God.

498
00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:44.160
The whole enterprise gets it in two. and explodes.

499
00:22:44.220 --> 00:22:47.579
Suddenly we're in we're in Salem and they're all in stocks.

500
00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:49.019
Yeah.

501
00:22:49.019 --> 00:22:53.039
Actually, I think that is a very cheap picture of those houses

502
00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:54.839
that is...

503
00:22:54.900 --> 00:22:55.559
That's really cool.

504
00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.920
I've barely been bothered to colour them in. no it's terrible.

505
00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:03.240
So we're in Salem now, and we're going to be introduced to a new

506
00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:10.140
character and he's called Asmodeus, and Asmodeus is a demon in

507
00:23:10.140 --> 00:23:11.519
Jewish mythology.

508
00:23:11.579 --> 00:23:15.839
He turns up in an apocryphal book called Tobit.

509
00:23:15.900 --> 00:23:17.579
How do you know this?

510
00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:18.900
Well, I looked that up.

511
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.859
He's also in the Dungeons and Dragons Monster Manual, which I did

512
00:23:22.859 --> 00:23:26.460
know. reminded me of, though?

513
00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:27.660
So strongly.

514
00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:29.339
Encounter a Farpoint?

515
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:33.180
Put in the humanity on trial in a primitive setting.

516
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:34.200
Yeah.

517
00:23:34.259 --> 00:23:34.859
Yeah.

518
00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:37.380
And so they're the vilest species in the universe They're

519
00:23:37.380 --> 00:23:42.539
treacherous because they drove the Megans off earth.

520
00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:43.259
Is that it?

521
00:23:43.319 --> 00:23:52.380
Um, so this guy, Asmodeus, is played by Ed Straker, who is the

522
00:23:52.380 --> 00:23:54.180
main guy in UFO.

523
00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:55.559
Oh, okay.

524
00:23:55.559 --> 00:24:00.180
Um, and is Captain Blue in Captain Scarlet and the Mister on.

525
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:06.960
So he's English and he will be well known to my co-hosts on

526
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:10.500
Startling Barbara Bain, I think.

527
00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:12.960
His only role in Star Trek, then.

528
00:24:13.019 --> 00:24:14.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

529
00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.039
He's English, he's doing the accent, though, I think.

530
00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:21.720
Very strange place to just come in and do a couple of lines in the

531
00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:22.619
animated series.

532
00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:24.900
Yeah, it is very odd, isn't it?

533
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:27.000
Like, why, like, why are they bothering?

534
00:24:27.059 --> 00:24:29.519
They could just get Jimmy Doan to do another voice again?

535
00:24:29.579 --> 00:24:30.059
You know?

536
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:35.039
Is he is he judging, you know, humanity now with how they

537
00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:37.079
discovered humanity back in the day on Earth?

538
00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:38.640
Right.

539
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:39.000
Yeah.

540
00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:40.980
Oh, they do look like the Ku Klux clown.

541
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:41.460
Look at him.

542
00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:44.039
No wonder they weren't greeted with any kindness.

543
00:24:44.099 --> 00:24:45.839
Yeah, yeah.

544
00:24:45.900 --> 00:24:46.380
Yeah.

545
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:49.680
But they called us devils and sorcerers.

546
00:24:49.740 --> 00:24:52.740
And then we came to Salem and then they attacked us.

547
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:55.859
Yeah, they went to Salem and just sort of lived there for a bit

548
00:24:55.859 --> 00:24:58.559
and I guess that's where...

549
00:24:58.619 --> 00:25:00.000
Then they used magic.

550
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:08.279
And so, yeah, and so I guess there, it is encounter at Farpoint

551
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:08.700
isn't it?

552
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:09.539
Isn't it?

553
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:13.619
Well, it's slightly more entertaining than in current Rafael point

554
00:25:13.619 --> 00:25:15.180
as well, if I'm honest.

555
00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:18.539
A dreadful core.

556
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:19.140
Mind you.

557
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:23.400
Dorothy Fontana did right encounter a PowerPoint with Gene

558
00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:24.000
Roddenbury.

559
00:25:24.059 --> 00:25:26.160
And of course, she was showrunner of the animated series.

560
00:25:26.220 --> 00:25:29.339
In that brilliant episode, we did the magics of Megas 2.

561
00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:31.200
Best thing we can really do today.

562
00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:33.299
Oh, dear.

563
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:36.839
Everyone looks very camp with their hands in the stocks, don't

564
00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:37.019
they?

565
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.740
Yeah, poor old Lucians, not having fun in the stocks.

566
00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:42.299
I mean, he's ripped.

567
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:44.039
Like you said, he should just tear his way out.

568
00:25:44.099 --> 00:25:44.819
Just tear it up.

569
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:48.000
So, and Arex is in the stocks.

570
00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:48.599
Did you say that?

571
00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:50.400
Alarix over there.

572
00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:51.480
I love Arax.

573
00:25:51.539 --> 00:25:53.160
You know, he's great, isn't he?

574
00:25:53.339 --> 00:25:55.500
Oh, this is wonderful.

575
00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:59.039
Every time someone goes on, you know, to speak in the trial now.

576
00:25:59.099 --> 00:26:03.480
They sort of zap out of the stocks into the stocks, if you know

577
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:03.900
what I mean.

578
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.900
Yeah, yeah, no, they're in the witness stand or whatever, aren't

579
00:26:06.900 --> 00:26:07.680
they, in that cage thing?

580
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:08.700
Yeah.

581
00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:11.940
I call Lucien as my 1st witness.

582
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:12.779
Hello.

583
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.420
Oh, it is so simple, isn't it?

584
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:25.740
Because we sort of know where this is going now, don't we?

585
00:26:25.980 --> 00:26:28.200
Yeah, yeah.

586
00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:33.960
And I like this speech. like this is a Star Trek speech.

587
00:26:34.019 --> 00:26:35.759
It is encounter at Far Point, isn't it?

588
00:26:35.819 --> 00:26:38.579
You know, all Americans know everything.

589
00:26:38.579 --> 00:26:41.400
They don't want to learn anything new because they're specialists

590
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:43.440
in their small field and they know everything about it.

591
00:26:43.500 --> 00:26:49.140
Whereas humans share and cooperate and learn and grow and do all

592
00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:53.940
of those Star Treky things that we like, you know, and they're the

593
00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:57.180
things that the devil likes about us as well, and good for him.

594
00:26:57.240 --> 00:26:58.740
This was a great line.

595
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.259
He goes, do you think humours have changed since Salem?

596
00:27:01.259 --> 00:27:03.660
and Kirk says, I think we're trying to.

597
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.180
Yeah, which I thought was a nice line.

598
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:09.240
Although, greed, envy, panicky fear.

599
00:27:09.299 --> 00:27:11.099
That's on 3rd thing.

600
00:27:11.819 --> 00:27:15.900
It's the same sort of paddocky fair I have before we press record

601
00:27:15.900 --> 00:27:16.920
on an episode, you know?

602
00:27:16.980 --> 00:27:17.700
That's right.

603
00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:20.339
It'll be eliminated in the future.

604
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:21.000
Don't worry.

605
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:26.099
But I got the impression that Lucian just wanted like some

606
00:27:26.099 --> 00:27:26.579
friends.

607
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.119
He goes, that's why I took your ship, you know, because you're a

608
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:31.259
nice community of people.

609
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:33.960
So we're trying to say the devil's a nice guy after all.

610
00:27:34.019 --> 00:27:36.000
Yes, I think we are.

611
00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:39.000
In this, the interesting thing that they choose to do.

612
00:27:39.059 --> 00:27:42.299
They're told they can't use God because that would be blasphemous

613
00:27:42.299 --> 00:27:45.839
and so they have the devil and they make it absolutely clear that

614
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:51.299
it's Lucifer, it's the devil, but the devil stands for and

615
00:27:51.299 --> 00:27:54.299
supports the good things about humanity.

616
00:27:54.359 --> 00:28:00.180
And if you think, you know, um, you think if you think about the

617
00:28:00.180 --> 00:28:05.279
way religion has been used to coerce and oppress and, um, you know

618
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:07.980
keep people ignorant and stuff throughout centuries and

619
00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:08.640
centuries.

620
00:28:08.700 --> 00:28:11.400
Like, maybe that's not a bad call, but it can't be what the

621
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.599
network thought, like, come together and they said, no, God, it's

622
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:16.200
very strange.

623
00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:19.740
Did you see what you said there?

624
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:22.859
He goes Well, I think that your entry into our realm was a bit of

625
00:28:22.859 --> 00:28:25.440
a mistake, and it's unlikely to ever happen again.

626
00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:29.400
So if you'll all just fuck off or never speak about this again, all

627
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:29.640
right?

628
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:32.220
And we're going to pollution up.

629
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:33.480
Punish Lucian, yeah.

630
00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:34.859
Yeah, yeah.

631
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:35.700
Yeah.

632
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:37.500
Oh, it looks so sad.

633
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.000
Look at him in that red bubble.

634
00:28:39.059 --> 00:28:41.339
I know, because that's that's the thing.

635
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:42.779
He wants people.

636
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:43.859
He wants people.

637
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:46.259
He doesn't want to be isolated there.

638
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:48.299
We're not interested in legends.

639
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.880
He's a living being an intelligent life form.

640
00:28:51.059 --> 00:28:53.519
And he's a good guy.

641
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:55.140
And I think that's really wonderful.

642
00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:57.900
This was the best bit of the whole episode, the magic off.

643
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:01.859
Much better than that cheap ass version they did in the reckoning

644
00:29:01.859 --> 00:29:03.599
in DS9 with the coloured lights.

645
00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:05.880
No, Captain Kirk's got bolts of lightning.

646
00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:07.680
There's flames everywhere.

647
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:10.440
He gets them out with water.

648
00:29:11.339 --> 00:29:15.839
It's like a true apocalypse going on Now this, like some weird

649
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.240
background thing is happening and who the fuck knows what's going

650
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:18.660
on.

651
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.660
There's tendrils, there's a pride flying.

652
00:29:22.259 --> 00:29:23.940
That's a bright...

653
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:26.759
It does look like a fried bloke.

654
00:29:26.819 --> 00:29:28.200
Power of gay.

655
00:29:29.339 --> 00:29:32.279
By the power of Greyschool.

656
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.180
In fact, and the way they're doing the sort of zooms, it's very

657
00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:37.980
Power Rangers as well.

658
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:38.819
Yeah.

659
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.180
The image words of this episode is astonishing.

660
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:43.500
Yeah, incomparable.

661
00:29:44.700 --> 00:29:46.559
Here we go now.

662
00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:48.599
So what's going to happen to Lucian now then?

663
00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:53.460
Um, I don't know, but they, like, they've decided that human

664
00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:55.680
beings are good and staff.

665
00:29:55.920 --> 00:30:00.119
I guess what happens, he gives him a snog and then they fly off or

666
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:00.420
something.

667
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:01.619
I don't even know what's happening.

668
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.019
That's usually how these things end.

669
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.059
They've decided you will be all good.

670
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:10.079
I think actually Q and Encounter a Far Boy goes, you know what?

671
00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:12.059
I'll give this some form.

672
00:30:12.059 --> 00:30:12.960
I'll be back.

673
00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:13.799
Yeah, that's right.

674
00:30:13.859 --> 00:30:14.759
That's it.

675
00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:17.339
Every time the ratings are falling, I'll be back.

676
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:21.539
Ah, dear, your compassion.

677
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:23.400
Oh, it was a trick, wasn't it?

678
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.160
The whole thing about Lucian was a trick. that right?

679
00:30:26.220 --> 00:30:30.000
No, no, no, but they decided that the human beings were good

680
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.059
because they cared about Lucian and wanted to defend him and

681
00:30:33.059 --> 00:30:33.299
stuff.

682
00:30:33.539 --> 00:30:35.819
They weren't terrible.

683
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:40.319
And now we're gonna beer because it's the devil. and he loves beer

684
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:41.880
and let's have a drink.

685
00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:42.779
Whoa.

686
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.240
It was a favourite custom of mine on earth.

687
00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:46.500
A toast.

688
00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:48.119
Good for him.

689
00:30:48.180 --> 00:30:49.680
Oh, here we go.

690
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.440
Here's the moral now, delivered directly to the audience.

691
00:30:52.500 --> 00:30:53.880
Exactly.

692
00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:57.779
You really think that Lucian was really the demon that people call

693
00:30:57.779 --> 00:30:58.619
Lucifer?

694
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:00.000
I think he was.

695
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:02.759
Oh, that was the dialogue.

696
00:31:02.819 --> 00:31:03.299
Sorry.

697
00:31:03.299 --> 00:31:04.559
No, no.

698
00:31:04.619 --> 00:31:05.700
I know, but I think he was.

699
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:09.240
And thanks to you, this is the 1st time he was saved.

700
00:31:09.299 --> 00:31:10.559
Yeah.

701
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:11.039
Yeah.

702
00:31:11.099 --> 00:31:12.720
Good for you. saved the devil.

703
00:31:12.779 --> 00:31:14.640
And that's it.

704
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.099
To wreak havoc on the earth again.

705
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:22.200
No, because he's a good guy. good for him Do you know, do you know

706
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.140
how the director's name there is written in that sort of glorious

707
00:31:25.140 --> 00:31:26.099
penmanship?

708
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:27.779
It's a bit like bewitched, isn it?

709
00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:29.819
Yeah, a little bit.

710
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.819
I'm thinking about the, remember they do the signatures at the end

711
00:31:32.819 --> 00:31:34.559
of Star Trek 6?

712
00:31:34.619 --> 00:31:36.299
Ah, yeah.

713
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:39.299
Yeah, everyone signs their name because we're never gonna see them

714
00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:39.539
again.

715
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:43.680
Well, I'm not entirely sure what else to say about the magics of

716
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:44.339
makers too.

717
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:46.140
Yeah, you know, it's a thing.

718
00:31:46.259 --> 00:31:47.759
It wasn't the worst.

719
00:31:47.819 --> 00:31:50.039
I mean, I knew we were just going to laugh our way through it, and

720
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:52.980
I knew our eyeballs would be titillated a little bit by the pretty

721
00:31:52.980 --> 00:31:56.880
colours on the screen, and I knew that none of the ideas would

722
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:58.619
come to any sort of fruition at the end.

723
00:31:58.680 --> 00:31:59.339
No.

724
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.799
It is incredibly simple.

725
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:04.559
And like I said, they've come up with an idea, but not with a

726
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:04.920
story.

727
00:32:04.980 --> 00:32:07.859
They've come up with a backstory, but no actual story.

728
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.019
And so there's no real plot to it.

729
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:12.660
It just like is a bunch of shit that happens, I guess.

730
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.019
And with a very obvious kind of ending.

731
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:17.519
Oh, you know, like whatever.

732
00:32:17.579 --> 00:32:20.640
I think the nicest thing I could possibly say about the magics of

733
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:21.240
makers too.

734
00:32:21.299 --> 00:32:24.839
I'll just get that totally one more time is that there are a

735
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:27.960
couple of steals I could take from this episode, including the

736
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:29.700
beautiful cityscape of Makers 2.

737
00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:33.299
Captain Kirk doing his magical powers in front of the prior flag

738
00:32:33.299 --> 00:32:36.480
that I would actually have up on my walls, pieces of art.

739
00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:37.019
Yeah, yeah.

740
00:32:37.019 --> 00:32:39.240
It's proper pop art crap, isn't it?

741
00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:39.839
It's great.

742
00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:45.119
But beyond that, I think I may have been losing scant because I

743
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:46.019
don't have many.

744
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:48.599
IQ points with every 2nd this was on.

745
00:32:49.140 --> 00:32:53.039
That's what Star Trek the animated series is for.

746
00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:03.480
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

747
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:05.640
work out where we're going next time.

748
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:13.140
Inevitably, this dreadful episode was my choice last time, and so

749
00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:17.819
it's your go, Joe, to pick something of lasting value.

750
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:20.160
So what series are we choosing from?

751
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:22.799
I want to go somewhere a bit more reliable.

752
00:33:22.859 --> 00:33:26.099
I don't think we're possibly going to see anything quite as

753
00:33:26.099 --> 00:33:28.380
extraordinary as what we've watched today.

754
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:34.559
So I'm just going to choose DS9, but I think we've done far too

755
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:36.480
many good DS9 episodes.

756
00:33:36.539 --> 00:33:40.619
So I'm gonna keep rolling until we get either average or

757
00:33:40.619 --> 00:33:41.099
terrible.

758
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:43.019
Okay, that sounds awesome.

759
00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:44.339
I like that project.

760
00:33:45.180 --> 00:33:46.920
Oh no.

761
00:33:46.980 --> 00:33:49.380
Season five, episode 13 for the uniform.

762
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:50.700
That's very good.

763
00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:51.660
It's too good.

764
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.059
Oh, series four, episode 11.

765
00:33:54.299 --> 00:33:55.259
Home front.

766
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:55.980
No, that's really good.

767
00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:58.079
We could be here sometime.

768
00:33:58.500 --> 00:34:02.220
Season six, episode five, favour the bold.

769
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:02.940
That's great.

770
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:04.559
Lead up to sacrifice of angels.

771
00:34:04.619 --> 00:34:06.180
Shadows and symbols.

772
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:06.900
We already done.

773
00:34:07.019 --> 00:34:09.659
Ah, yes, here it is.

774
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:10.619
Here we go.

775
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:11.400
Here it is.

776
00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:12.840
Is it move along home?

777
00:34:12.900 --> 00:34:13.920
No.

778
00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:16.679
But it is fucking dreary to watch.

779
00:34:16.739 --> 00:34:17.639
Okay.

780
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.460
Season three, episode eight.

781
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:21.780
Meridian.

782
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:23.579
Oh my goodness.

783
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:24.000
Okay.

784
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:29.280
Space 9 does Brigadoon, as directed by Jonathan Frakes.

785
00:34:29.340 --> 00:34:30.539
Oh, okay.

786
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:32.159
Well, Jonathan Frakes is good.

787
00:34:32.219 --> 00:34:35.099
Yes. this being miserably cramp, though.

788
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.739
Dak's romance of the week episode.

789
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.980
However, I can promise you it does have some light in it because

790
00:34:40.980 --> 00:34:45.599
they film a huge chunk of the episode outside.

791
00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:46.980
Yeah, brilliant.

792
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:47.519
Yeah.

793
00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:51.900
Well, I think this is one from memory that doesn't break the rule

794
00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:57.539
that romances with regular female characters are always terrible

795
00:34:57.539 --> 00:35:01.920
and romances with regular male characters tend to be better.

796
00:35:01.980 --> 00:35:03.539
Am I right?

797
00:35:03.659 --> 00:35:06.719
I, oh, I've never thought about it actually.

798
00:35:07.019 --> 00:35:11.159
Well, yes, I mean, I just thought of Melora, which is obviously

799
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:15.119
terrible, and another Julian one, which is the one where...

800
00:35:15.179 --> 00:35:17.940
Yeah, which he shouldn't, he shouldn't be having that

801
00:35:17.940 --> 00:35:18.420
relationship.

802
00:35:18.539 --> 00:35:22.619
Anyway, I could be wrong, but okay, so Meridian then good.

803
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.340
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek project with Joe Ford

804
00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:39.300
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805
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:41.940
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806
00:35:41.940 --> 00:35:43.019
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807
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:47.159
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808
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:48.420
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809
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:53.099
This episode was recorded on the 16th of July 2024 and released on

810
00:35:53.099 --> 00:35:54.420
the 19th of July.

811
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:58.679
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Arabian.

812
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:20.820
But there's some great quotes about it as well, memory alpha

813
00:36:20.820 --> 00:36:22.079
because no one's really impressed with it.

814
00:36:22.139 --> 00:36:23.099
No, yeah.

815
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:24.719
Everyone's a bit embarrassed.

816
00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:27.239
I didn't mind it although she thought rejoined was better.

817
00:36:27.300 --> 00:36:29.519
Yeah, I'm going to read that one out there for me.

818
00:36:29.579 --> 00:36:30.300
Yeah, yeah.

819
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:32.219
But it's about something.

820
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:34.260
Oh, 1st there's this.

821
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.000
Just a second, Alfie scratching at the door.

822
00:36:39.659 --> 00:36:42.480
Do you want to come a podcast with me, mate?

823
00:36:42.539 --> 00:36:43.739
Come on, inside.

824
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.599
You take this off.

825
00:36:49.619 --> 00:36:51.119
All right.

826
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.300
Are getting on the couch?

827
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:06.840
Good boy.

828
00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:07.739
Okay.

829
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.300
All right.

830
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:10.619
Oh we are recording, aren't we?

831
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:11.820
Okay.

832
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:13.800
All right, let's start.

833
00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:14.699
How do we do this thing?

834
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:19.260
The most low-key way possible.

835
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:20.340
Let's see.

836
00:37:21.539 --> 00:37:24.360
Hey, Joe. Hi.