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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back, and for our sins, we've decided to watch an episode of the animated series.

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And it is season one, episode eight.

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The magics of Megas 2.

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It has a K in it.

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Um, and I forgot to find out what score jammer gave this one, but what score did you give it?

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Jamma gave this one star out of four. and said it was highly disappointing and embarrassing. and I would give this off.

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I mean, I'm using the animated series as my sort of critical comparison point.

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Yeah.

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I'll give him maybe 3 styles out of four.

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You said before, this is of the ones that we've done so far, your favourite.

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It's a low bar, but yes.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yes, only because, well, a couple of reasons.

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One is, I did think it sort of skipped along. nicely.

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It had a big pace for it because every 2.5 minutes, It became a completely different episode.

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And two, because it became a different episode, every 2.5 minutes, they had to draw some pictures, which was very nice.

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Like there was some actual, I'm not going to say visual splendour, but there was some imagination in how this was presented, which is not always the case with the animated series.

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Well, except, you know, we have had some weird things like the, do you remember when we did the counterclock incident and space was white and the stars were black and stuff.

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There is a sense in which, even though this is animated incredibly cheaply.

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They want to do weird things that they couldn't have done in a live action version.

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And given that that's what I think Star Trek should be doing.

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I you know, give it some points for that.

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But it's just the inane simplicity of the whole thing.

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It's so linear and so massively dumb.

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Since we last spoke, Netflix dropped 20 episodes of Star Trek Prodigy, and I've watched about a 3rd of it now in the last day or so, and it just comparing the storytelling of prodigy to this.

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You know, they're both clearly for children, but this is clearly for children who've suffered a recent savage blow to the hair.

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Because it's so moronic and so simplistic compared to anything that you get now.

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I mean, I think the expectation on what kids can handle with television from 1972 2024, they're a world apart.

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Like kids are older, younger now.

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Well, I think that there is this thing which I say always, which is that we get better at consuming television.

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So storytelling can be more interesting and more challenging and can sort of allied over things that have to be spelled out in earlier TV and stuff.

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So we get better at telling stories via television and better at consuming them.

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So I think that's true of Star Trek as well.

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But this is really, I mean, this is very dumb, isn't it?

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Even, I think, taking the time period into account.

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We've had a free week break since we recorded our last one.

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We were so far ahead that the Star Trek project fans have only missed one week's worth of, you know, Star Trek critique of the highest order.

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Yeah, whilst you've had a lovely Greek sojourn, and I've been not podcasting for a bit.

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And actually, to come back to Star Trek at such an infantile level, it's actually, so I sort of slowly massaging your way back into it, you know.

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I'll put it on and I didn't have to think about it at all.

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Just look to the pretty pictures and went, oh, well, that was fun, you know, although pretty much that's how I went to summarise this at the end.

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In the last scene, you even have Spock deliver the moral straight to the audience, you know?

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Wow, that really was Lucifer.

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Well, he wasn't cast out this time.

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This is the one time he's been saved.

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I actually think there are some interesting and very weird ideas here.

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And part of it is, like, I looked at... about 5 of these episodes for so many ideas in this.

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But the interesting thing is, right?

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This is written by Larry Brody, who has the story credit for the Voyager episode tattoo.

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So, are you serious?

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Yeah, the only episode where you see Chakotay's butt, except it's not Chakotay. body double because Belgian didn't want to get his butt out.

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No, I didn't want to show his button.

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Yeah, that was the one where they truly led into all of the dreadful, embarrassing Native American stuff.

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Yeah.

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So his original idea was that God would be at the centre of the galaxy and and that makes sense because it's the place where matter is created and that's the thing that God does.

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But of course, no, come on, we don't want to do that in the anime series, they weren't allowed to do that.

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Do you know what I mean?

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They weren't allowed to do that in 1973.

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The studio forbade it because, you know, God, and that's very important.

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What happened to Star Trek 5 then?

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Yes, that's the thing.

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Well, that's a movie and that's later.

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Shatner's ego was like, I'm not allowed to do this.

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Of course I'm going to do it.

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It's really weird, though, because the memory alpha article for neither this nor Star Trek 5, the final frontier, mentions that they share an original idea at all.

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So that's super strange.

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And so they were allowed to swap it to be the devil.

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So it's actually the devil.

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They weren't allowed to do God, but they were allowed to do the devil.

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But then the way that they do, the devil is so interesting and kind of oddly subversive.

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And that's the one interesting thing that I think that this has going for it, is what they do with the devil.

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And so we'll talk about it to go true. businessman, don't they?

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Hello, gut and curve.

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I think there's more to it than that.

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And I think there's something interesting about it.

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So we will get on to that.

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Oh, I'm pleased that you found something interesting to say about this.

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Yeah, we'll pretend they had something in mind when they were making this.

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I will say I will say that from scene to scene.

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It was just a lot of fun and I really, I really genuinely did enjoy the um, the static cartoons. watching this.

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Not a lot of movement.

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Right now, Nathan's got this fabulous cityscape behind him there.

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Magus 2, the centre of the universe.

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And actually, it's very retro, sort of retro 50 sci-fi, isn't it?

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gorgeous.

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It's really, it's sort of 60s modernist, I think.

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But with the sort of mediaeval temples in there as well.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The great thing is you can see the brush strokes in the sky.

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Like it's just a painting, but it's a really stunningly good painting, I think. it's pretty great There is some, you know, there's some things to be said for this.

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Not worthy of one Star Wars Gamma.

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No.

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It's better than 2.5 .

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Exactly.

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All right.

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What do you think?

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Should we go in?

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Oh, I think we better dare two, yes.

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All right.

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Okay.

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I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I feel like more Star Trek episodes should have titles like the magics of Megas 2 because it does sound quite enticing.

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We've got straight into the title sequence, yes.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, they rarely do a teaser, I think.

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It mustn't have been a thing that they were permitted to do.

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Do you watch the music for every time like I do?

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I watch the music through for everything, even 90 Star Trek, even Deep Space 9 and Voyager.

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I'm there watching the whole time.

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Jesus.

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I'm surprised you make it through the episode, then, if you wash it all.

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But this one, the lounge music version of the original theory is actually secretly pretty grain.

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Like I said, I've been watching Prodigy and I've been singing along with that music because I just think that's awesome.

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That's Michael Cicchino.

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Oh, yeah, but yeah.

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It's a new title sequence too.

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Slightly.

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Well, Ralph ducked his head in the door while the title sequence was on.

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And he saw the Enterprise sort of shoot across the screen sideways like it does.

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And they sort of looking very confused about what the hell I was watching.

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So he doesn't know about the original series.

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He doesn't want to know, really.

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No, fair enough.

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Fair enough.

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Stardate 1254.4.4.

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Yep, yep.

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Do you remember when you used to do the Stardates at the start of these episodes?

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What happened to that?

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Well, no, they're still on the website.

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I still put them on the website for sure.

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I just remembered one of those early episodes, you were always telling me, I'll go, thank you for, it's very useful.

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So we're on a mission to go to the centre of the galaxy, liking Star Trek five.

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I think we kidnapped, aren't we?

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hijacked and sent to the centre of the universe in that.

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And what's the mission?

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I don't know, look at shit.

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My God, look at these fireworks in space.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So they're going to the point where things are created.

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It's actually the opposite of what we think is at the centre of the galaxy now.

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So there's matter being created and, you know, making the galaxy, which is, you know, why not?

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Spock says about 5 times in this episode.

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What an extraordinary phenomenon, Captain.

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Oh, I didn't know this.

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McCoy's just walked in now.

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I only guess to throw racist shade at Spock about 4 times.

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Excellent.

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Yeah, sort of like, so the animation here, they're just sort of doing scribbles across the regular pictures.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But we'll take it.

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It's something.

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It's an attempt to do something and to look weird.

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Like I'm there for it.

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It's pretty, you know, crappy, but whatever.

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It's moving a lot more than their faces are in this scene.

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Well, that's it.

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I love dramatic close-ups.

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Orp 10 everyone's going to be a lizard any minute.

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That's right.

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Oh, that woman.

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She's an Apple woman who fell over in the garage.

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That's Christine Chaplin.

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I didn't see the t-shray.

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They love they love that high angle shot, the bridge, don't they?

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In the anime series.

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It's one of like 3 stock shots they've got on the bridge.

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Well, they don't have to put a crane up in order to get it to happen.

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They can just draw it, you know?

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Can you love this?

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Kurt going, wow, let's hope it works like weather on earth.

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You know, we'll go straight into the eye of the storm.

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Space storms are always like that.

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Nathan, we are already one. 5 minutes into this episode and already we're in the eye of the storm.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It doesn't waste any time, does it?

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Okay, so everything's damaged.

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What's happening?

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We're in a red hurricane.

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It's scientifically fascinating.

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Scientifically fascinating, he said.

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Now, I think something weird happens with the way McCoy is animated here because we'll get...

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We've just McCoy's animation.

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Well, no, no, no, it's all terrible in every...

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The Enterprise has vanished.

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Oh, it just vanished.

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Straight into the time tunnel.

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Disco.

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Jimmy Darren's disco.

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The time tunnel and Frisbees.

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It's flying past Frisbees.

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And now it's going to be the stripy candy planet.

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I once.

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Oh my god, doesn't the planet look like a bonbon?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it does.

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Yeah.

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Once upon a time, you know, I did have a space muffin in Amsterdam and I was seeing visions a bit like this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, I didn't see that.

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I think Ahura's hair in animation is she's got this fabulous buffon haircut in animation.

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She's very, very 60s looking.

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I mean, she's in the in live action at this point, but, uh, yeah, not to put too fine aponents, but she's quite perky as well. in animotion.

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Ah okay.

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I never really noticed.

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Oh, Jim, we need oxygen, thanks.

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I'm glad the doctor's on the bridge.

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So systems are dead.

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All systems are dead.

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And then he just falls.

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No, he gently lowers himself and lies on his little console there.

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Oh, there goes McCoy.

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Whee, a duggo's bock in the foreground.

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Look at this hallucinatory animation now.

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It's wonderful.

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Oh, here it comes.

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Here he is.

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It's so devil.

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This is Lucian.

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He is ripped in a way that is deeply unpleasant to look at.

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So he's the devil.

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So he's got horns and he's got goat legs, so he's like a satyr, um, or a fawn and he's really jacked.

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Oh my god.

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Can you imagine why?

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If you were between his legs.

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He would pop you like a spot, wouldn't he?

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He is really gross looking.

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And, of course, he is voiced by master of dialect.

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Jimmy Doan.

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He's very jolly.

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That's the thing about it is he's super jolly.

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He even calls there he is calling Spock my elfin friend, which I think is sort of delight.

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So it pops off and goes, ah, wonderful. primitive humans.

235
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Yeah. he loves humans.

236
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Like, that's kind of interesting.

237
00:14:25.019 --> 00:14:26.340
No, it's okay.

238
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It's fun.

239
00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:31.139
So he is, but he's fun.

240
00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:43.259
You know, like, um, there's something about him where he's fun and what he likes is, what he likes about humans is their curiosity and their thirst to know more and stuff like that.

241
00:14:43.379 --> 00:14:47.460
And remember that, that the devil rebels against God.

242
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You know, God creates everything and everyone has to kind of worship him and stuff.

243
00:14:51.779 --> 00:14:54.600
And the devil says, yeah, you know, screw that.

244
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I'm going to go off and do something else.

245
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And so he gets hurled out of heaven.

246
00:14:59.940 --> 00:15:06.539
Um, Um, oh, dear, look, Jim's all Walt Wibley.

247
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Elongation.

248
00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:09.179
Yeah, he's a bit long, Mr. Tickle right now.

249
00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:13.679
He'd forgotten how much bodily integrity means to you humans, which is an odd thing to say.

250
00:15:13.740 --> 00:15:27.419
Um, so, so he kind of represents the human kind of drive to explore and to know and be curious, you know, Is he the reason why they go to Earth?

251
00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:30.659
In this episode, are they following Lucian?

252
00:15:30.659 --> 00:15:34.259
or did all of the Megas Tuums head to us?

253
00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:36.000
No, so they used to go to Earth.

254
00:15:36.059 --> 00:15:37.679
He's been to earth before.

255
00:15:37.740 --> 00:15:46.080
And in fact, one of the weird things that this episode does is that it makes wizards canonical.

256
00:15:46.139 --> 00:15:48.600
Look, there's little baby Lucian.

257
00:15:48.659 --> 00:15:50.519
Yeah, this is where I was trying to get confused now.

258
00:15:50.580 --> 00:15:52.379
Then they're in a forest.

259
00:15:52.379 --> 00:15:58.559
And then we got all this exposition about them coming to earth and I'm like, yeah, there isn't much focus in this episode.

260
00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:01.620
No, no, they've had an idea.

261
00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:02.340
Yeah, beautiful.

262
00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:05.159
They have an idea, but they've got no plot, right?

263
00:16:05.220 --> 00:16:08.820
So he just stands around and explains the idea.

264
00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:12.720
And the idea is kind of interesting, but it's also sort of super dumb as well.

265
00:16:12.779 --> 00:16:14.519
But they're 25 minute episodes.

266
00:16:14.580 --> 00:16:16.500
They just don't have time to explore any of their stuff.

267
00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:17.279
They drop it.

268
00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.320
Do you watch an episode of Lower Decks or prodigy?

269
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You can tell a story in 25 minutes.

270
00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:25.200
It's just they can't.

271
00:16:25.259 --> 00:16:27.960
Okay, they don't have the ability to explore it.

272
00:16:28.019 --> 00:16:30.000
Look at him giving them apples, right?

273
00:16:30.059 --> 00:16:31.139
It's the devil.

274
00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:33.899
He's giving them apples to eat in a beautiful garden.

275
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Like the Garden of Eden.

276
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And remember the apples.

277
00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:39.899
The fruit is the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.

278
00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:46.440
So, you know, when humanity rebels against God, it's because it wants to know something, you know.

279
00:16:46.500 --> 00:16:52.500
And so that, like, and and here, wizards are real, right?

280
00:16:52.559 --> 00:17:02.279
So the people of Magus 2, they're all wizards, and he's literally dressed up as a stereotypical wizard, robes and everything.

281
00:17:02.340 --> 00:17:05.640
They were on earth before being wizards.

282
00:17:05.700 --> 00:17:08.220
And he says that they were doing magic and stuff.

283
00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:13.200
They were using their magical abilities to help, you know, Earth's rulers and stuff like that.

284
00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:19.200
So magic is real in the Star Trek universe and wizards were really on earth.

285
00:17:19.259 --> 00:17:23.099
Kings had wizards and the wizards did magic and it was because they were from here.

286
00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:27.900
I could begin to see why Roddenberry might have decanonized all of the animated series.

287
00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:31.440
I'm not having magic and all this nonsense in Star Trek.

288
00:17:31.500 --> 00:17:34.680
Although he did decanonize Star Trek 5 as well.

289
00:17:34.740 --> 00:17:37.799
But, yeah, it's a fun idea.

290
00:17:37.859 --> 00:17:40.079
Well, I think it's a fun idea too.

291
00:17:40.140 --> 00:17:43.799
And it's a strange magic, whatever they're called.

292
00:17:43.859 --> 00:17:45.720
They look a bit like the Ku Klux can, don't they?

293
00:17:45.779 --> 00:17:47.279
They do.

294
00:17:47.579 --> 00:17:48.299
That's it.

295
00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:53.220
And the Kluklas gag came to earth and decided to push forward humanity.

296
00:17:53.339 --> 00:18:01.019
But see, they're presented. like these people, they're specialists where resolution isn't.

297
00:18:01.140 --> 00:18:03.180
Oh, I really want to lick that planet.

298
00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:04.500
Yeah, yeah.

299
00:18:04.500 --> 00:18:11.880
Oh, that is the worst bit of animation when you see them make us 2 and flying off from their planet to a...

300
00:18:11.940 --> 00:18:15.960
Yeah, so they end up on this painting of earth, which we've now seen. nice as well.

301
00:18:16.019 --> 00:18:17.519
It is quite good, isn't it?

302
00:18:17.579 --> 00:18:17.940
Yeah.

303
00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:23.640
Yeah, well, they do cloud cover because it's 1973 and so they've seen what Earth looks like from space by now.

304
00:18:23.700 --> 00:18:25.019
You know what I mean?

305
00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:26.460
Like, yeah, yeah.

306
00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.359
So they came to work, he said, in search of companionship.

307
00:18:30.420 --> 00:18:35.099
Yeah, they came on Earth and worked as wizards, but then they had to leave and go back.

308
00:18:35.339 --> 00:18:38.279
And the specialists are oppressing him.

309
00:18:38.339 --> 00:18:43.380
You know, he enjoys being with humans, but they don't want that.

310
00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:46.559
And so, you know, he loves he loves earth people.

311
00:18:46.619 --> 00:18:48.720
This is a weird portrayal of the devil.

312
00:18:48.779 --> 00:18:56.700
They make us 2 and then they all went to Salem. for some reason, just to hang out, and that's when they was all tried as wizards.

313
00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:58.440
No, no, no, no.

314
00:18:58.500 --> 00:19:01.799
The Salem is like a weird holiday fantasy thing.

315
00:19:01.859 --> 00:19:05.279
It's like they create that in order to...

316
00:19:05.339 --> 00:19:05.700
Are you sure?

317
00:19:05.700 --> 00:19:07.200
I swear...

318
00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:09.299
That was part of their history.

319
00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:14.099
Salem was part of their history because they were real wizards and witches, you see.

320
00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:15.299
Yeah.

321
00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:24.720
I love I love the bit of the minute where I'm about to get it now where Spock's trying to do the magic tricks to make the chess piece move.

322
00:19:24.779 --> 00:19:34.559
And then they're all trying to focus because we know we're headed to the big climax where it's going to be a magic off between the Megas tour and then Captain Kirk.

323
00:19:34.619 --> 00:19:35.519
Yeah, yeah.

324
00:19:35.579 --> 00:19:36.000
Yeah.

325
00:19:36.059 --> 00:19:38.400
And that's such a weird choice, isn't it?

326
00:19:38.460 --> 00:19:39.240
so odd.

327
00:19:39.299 --> 00:19:41.160
So strange.

328
00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:43.380
Yeah.

329
00:19:43.380 --> 00:19:46.140
Spock's sort of leaning very, uh...

330
00:19:46.140 --> 00:19:48.779
It's quite relaxed every spot like, is it?

331
00:19:48.900 --> 00:19:52.079
I didn't think they had that drawing of him anyway.

332
00:19:52.140 --> 00:19:57.420
So, yeah, so they have to learn here.

333
00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:07.559
Well, no, they have to learn to accept that magic is real themselves and to manipulate it, to use it themselves in order to get out of this situation, right?

334
00:20:07.619 --> 00:20:10.559
But they don't really do the magic versus science thing, do they?

335
00:20:10.619 --> 00:20:13.680
It just, this is a new way of thinking, get with it.

336
00:20:13.740 --> 00:20:23.339
Yeah, because we're in another universe where different laws apply, like the time trap or the counterclock incident where we're also in other universes where the laws don't apply.

337
00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:30.779
You know, well, Dr. McCoy is going to go, come on, Spuck, there's no way you're going to move that chess piece through power of thought.

338
00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.000
So it's belief.

339
00:20:33.059 --> 00:20:39.660
Isn't doesn't he say that in this universe belief is strong.

340
00:20:39.660 --> 00:20:40.680
Yeah.

341
00:20:40.740 --> 00:20:45.900
I did like the fact that he said, it is logical, and then he follows it up.

342
00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:48.119
Yeah, I really like that. pretty good.

343
00:20:48.180 --> 00:20:48.960
Yeah.

344
00:20:49.019 --> 00:20:51.720
Although then the next line's very over there.

345
00:20:51.779 --> 00:20:53.160
The power of my supreme being.

346
00:20:53.579 --> 00:20:55.619
Move this chest.

347
00:20:55.619 --> 00:20:56.700
Yeah, you do magic.

348
00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:58.319
That's how you do magic.

349
00:20:58.380 --> 00:20:59.339
He's a proper wizard.

350
00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:01.799
Oh, look, he's got wibbly hands.

351
00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:08.099
I mean, it's exactly the sort of scenes we get with Chewbok and Kez, you know, when she was exploring her powers.

352
00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:09.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

353
00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:10.380
Yeah, that's right.

354
00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:15.359
I mean, sort of Star Trek in the real world sort of has that sort of magic anyway, doesn't it?

355
00:21:15.420 --> 00:21:17.339
Gosh, that planet looks delicious.

356
00:21:17.460 --> 00:21:19.799
I know, I keep saying that, but...

357
00:21:19.859 --> 00:21:20.579
Yeah.

358
00:21:20.579 --> 00:21:22.140
I shove it in my gob.

359
00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:30.299
Oh, they'll Sulu creates this, he creates this beautiful Asian woman for himself.

360
00:21:30.299 --> 00:21:33.299
It's just like he'll not know what reason.

361
00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:34.500
Come on.

362
00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:37.019
We don't buy that, man.

363
00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:39.539
We've seen those movies.

364
00:21:39.539 --> 00:21:41.400
No, then it turns out it's a ripped guy.

365
00:21:41.460 --> 00:21:42.359
You know what I mean?

366
00:21:43.980 --> 00:21:47.220
The magic show your true passions.

367
00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:49.799
Yeah.

368
00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:52.980
And I love this.

369
00:21:52.980 --> 00:21:58.799
Like, are we expecting a twist where he's a bad guy and we don't get that because he's...

370
00:21:58.799 --> 00:21:59.759
No, he's very charming.

371
00:21:59.819 --> 00:22:08.700
And in fact, I love at the end where they're going, you know, we will cast out Lucian and Captain Kirk's like, no, please, he is a sentient being.

372
00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:13.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah. you said earlier, this is for very simple children.

373
00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:13.859
Yeah.

374
00:22:15.299 --> 00:22:18.299
It's just about pitched at my level, Nathan.

375
00:22:18.420 --> 00:22:19.079
I'm worst.

376
00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:25.259
Oh, no, the Enterprise is landing. crash on the planet.

377
00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:30.900
We've had a couple of episodes recently where there's been some very intelligent readings from you where I'm going, really?

378
00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:32.160
Is that what this was all about?

379
00:22:32.220 --> 00:22:36.480
Whereas I had no trouble at all, understanding the magics of makers too.

380
00:22:39.539 --> 00:22:40.259
Oh, God.

381
00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:44.160
The whole enterprise gets it in two. and explodes.

382
00:22:44.220 --> 00:22:47.579
Suddenly we're in we're in Salem and they're all in stocks.

383
00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:49.019
Yeah.

384
00:22:49.019 --> 00:22:54.839
Actually, I think that is a very cheap picture of those houses that is...

385
00:22:54.900 --> 00:22:55.559
That's really cool.

386
00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.920
I've barely been bothered to colour them in. no it's terrible.

387
00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:11.519
So we're in Salem now, and we're going to be introduced to a new character and he's called Asmodeus, and Asmodeus is a demon in Jewish mythology.

388
00:23:11.579 --> 00:23:15.839
He turns up in an apocryphal book called Tobit.

389
00:23:15.900 --> 00:23:17.579
How do you know this?

390
00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:18.900
Well, I looked that up.

391
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:26.460
He's also in the Dungeons and Dragons Monster Manual, which I did know. reminded me of, though?

392
00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:27.660
So strongly.

393
00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:29.339
Encounter a Farpoint?

394
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:33.180
Put in the humanity on trial in a primitive setting.

395
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:34.200
Yeah.

396
00:23:34.259 --> 00:23:34.859
Yeah.

397
00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:42.539
And so they're the vilest species in the universe They're treacherous because they drove the Megans off earth.

398
00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:43.259
Is that it?

399
00:23:43.319 --> 00:23:54.180
Um, so this guy, Asmodeus, is played by Ed Straker, who is the main guy in UFO.

400
00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:55.559
Oh, okay.

401
00:23:55.559 --> 00:24:00.180
Um, and is Captain Blue in Captain Scarlet and the Mister on.

402
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:10.500
So he's English and he will be well known to my co-hosts on Startling Barbara Bain, I think.

403
00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:12.960
His only role in Star Trek, then.

404
00:24:13.019 --> 00:24:14.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

405
00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.039
He's English, he's doing the accent, though, I think.

406
00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:22.619
Very strange place to just come in and do a couple of lines in the animated series.

407
00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:24.900
Yeah, it is very odd, isn't it?

408
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:27.000
Like, why, like, why are they bothering?

409
00:24:27.059 --> 00:24:29.519
They could just get Jimmy Doan to do another voice again?

410
00:24:29.579 --> 00:24:30.059
You know?

411
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:37.079
Is he is he judging, you know, humanity now with how they discovered humanity back in the day on Earth?

412
00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:38.640
Right.

413
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:39.000
Yeah.

414
00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:40.980
Oh, they do look like the Ku Klux clown.

415
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:41.460
Look at him.

416
00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:44.039
No wonder they weren't greeted with any kindness.

417
00:24:44.099 --> 00:24:45.839
Yeah, yeah.

418
00:24:45.900 --> 00:24:46.380
Yeah.

419
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:49.680
But they called us devils and sorcerers.

420
00:24:49.740 --> 00:24:52.740
And then we came to Salem and then they attacked us.

421
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:58.559
Yeah, they went to Salem and just sort of lived there for a bit and I guess that's where...

422
00:24:58.619 --> 00:25:00.000
Then they used magic.

423
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:08.700
And so, yeah, and so I guess there, it is encounter at Farpoint, isn't it?

424
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:09.539
Isn't it?

425
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:15.180
Well, it's slightly more entertaining than in current Rafael point as well, if I'm honest.

426
00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:18.539
A dreadful core.

427
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:19.140
Mind you.

428
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:24.000
Dorothy Fontana did right encounter a PowerPoint with Gene Roddenbury.

429
00:25:24.059 --> 00:25:26.160
And of course, she was showrunner of the animated series.

430
00:25:26.220 --> 00:25:29.339
In that brilliant episode, we did the magics of Megas 2.

431
00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:31.200
Best thing we can really do today.

432
00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:33.299
Oh, dear.

433
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:37.019
Everyone looks very camp with their hands in the stocks, don't they?

434
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.740
Yeah, poor old Lucians, not having fun in the stocks.

435
00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:42.299
I mean, he's ripped.

436
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:44.039
Like you said, he should just tear his way out.

437
00:25:44.099 --> 00:25:44.819
Just tear it up.

438
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:48.000
So, and Arex is in the stocks.

439
00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:48.599
Did you say that?

440
00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:50.400
Alarix over there.

441
00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:51.480
I love Arax.

442
00:25:51.539 --> 00:25:53.160
You know, he's great, isn't he?

443
00:25:53.339 --> 00:25:55.500
Oh, this is wonderful.

444
00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:59.039
Every time someone goes on, you know, to speak in the trial now.

445
00:25:59.099 --> 00:26:03.900
They sort of zap out of the stocks into the stocks, if you know what I mean.

446
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:07.680
Yeah, yeah, no, they're in the witness stand or whatever, aren't they, in that cage thing?

447
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:08.700
Yeah.

448
00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:11.940
I call Lucien as my 1st witness.

449
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:12.779
Hello.

450
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.420
Oh, it is so simple, isn't it?

451
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:25.740
Because we sort of know where this is going now, don't we?

452
00:26:25.980 --> 00:26:28.200
Yeah, yeah.

453
00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:33.960
And I like this speech. like this is a Star Trek speech.

454
00:26:34.019 --> 00:26:35.759
It is encounter at Far Point, isn't it?

455
00:26:35.819 --> 00:26:38.579
You know, all Americans know everything.

456
00:26:38.579 --> 00:26:43.440
They don't want to learn anything new because they're specialists in their small field and they know everything about it.

457
00:26:43.500 --> 00:26:57.180
Whereas humans share and cooperate and learn and grow and do all of those Star Treky things that we like, you know, and they're the things that the devil likes about us as well, and good for him.

458
00:26:57.240 --> 00:26:58.740
This was a great line.

459
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.259
He goes, do you think humours have changed since Salem?

460
00:27:01.259 --> 00:27:03.660
and Kirk says, I think we're trying to.

461
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.180
Yeah, which I thought was a nice line.

462
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:09.240
Although, greed, envy, panicky fear.

463
00:27:09.299 --> 00:27:11.099
That's on 3rd thing.

464
00:27:11.819 --> 00:27:16.920
It's the same sort of paddocky fair I have before we press record on an episode, you know?

465
00:27:16.980 --> 00:27:17.700
That's right.

466
00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:20.339
It'll be eliminated in the future.

467
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:21.000
Don't worry.

468
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:26.579
But I got the impression that Lucian just wanted like some friends.

469
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:31.259
He goes, that's why I took your ship, you know, because you're a nice community of people.

470
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:33.960
So we're trying to say the devil's a nice guy after all.

471
00:27:34.019 --> 00:27:36.000
Yes, I think we are.

472
00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:39.000
In this, the interesting thing that they choose to do.

473
00:27:39.059 --> 00:27:54.299
They're told they can't use God because that would be blasphemous and so they have the devil and they make it absolutely clear that it's Lucifer, it's the devil, but the devil stands for and supports the good things about humanity.

474
00:27:54.359 --> 00:28:08.640
And if you think, you know, um, you think if you think about the way religion has been used to coerce and oppress and, um, you know, keep people ignorant and stuff throughout centuries and centuries.

475
00:28:08.700 --> 00:28:16.200
Like, maybe that's not a bad call, but it can't be what the network thought, like, come together and they said, no, God, it's very strange.

476
00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:19.740
Did you see what you said there?

477
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:25.440
He goes Well, I think that your entry into our realm was a bit of a mistake, and it's unlikely to ever happen again.

478
00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:29.640
So if you'll all just fuck off or never speak about this again, all right?

479
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:32.220
And we're going to pollution up.

480
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:33.480
Punish Lucian, yeah.

481
00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:34.859
Yeah, yeah.

482
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:35.700
Yeah.

483
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:37.500
Oh, it looks so sad.

484
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.000
Look at him in that red bubble.

485
00:28:39.059 --> 00:28:41.339
I know, because that's that's the thing.

486
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:42.779
He wants people.

487
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:43.859
He wants people.

488
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:46.259
He doesn't want to be isolated there.

489
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:48.299
We're not interested in legends.

490
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.880
He's a living being an intelligent life form.

491
00:28:51.059 --> 00:28:53.519
And he's a good guy.

492
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:55.140
And I think that's really wonderful.

493
00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:57.900
This was the best bit of the whole episode, the magic off.

494
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:03.599
Much better than that cheap ass version they did in the reckoning in DS9 with the coloured lights.

495
00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:05.880
No, Captain Kirk's got bolts of lightning.

496
00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:07.680
There's flames everywhere.

497
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:10.440
He gets them out with water.

498
00:29:11.339 --> 00:29:18.660
It's like a true apocalypse going on Now this, like some weird background thing is happening and who the fuck knows what's going on.

499
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.660
There's tendrils, there's a pride flying.

500
00:29:22.259 --> 00:29:23.940
That's a bright...

501
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:26.759
It does look like a fried bloke.

502
00:29:26.819 --> 00:29:28.200
Power of gay.

503
00:29:29.339 --> 00:29:32.279
By the power of Greyschool.

504
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:37.980
In fact, and the way they're doing the sort of zooms, it's very Power Rangers as well.

505
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:38.819
Yeah.

506
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.180
The image words of this episode is astonishing.

507
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:43.500
Yeah, incomparable.

508
00:29:44.700 --> 00:29:46.559
Here we go now.

509
00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:48.599
So what's going to happen to Lucian now then?

510
00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:55.680
Um, I don't know, but they, like, they've decided that human beings are good and staff.

511
00:29:55.920 --> 00:30:00.420
I guess what happens, he gives him a snog and then they fly off or something.

512
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:01.619
I don't even know what's happening.

513
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.019
That's usually how these things end.

514
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.059
They've decided you will be all good.

515
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:10.079
I think actually Q and Encounter a Far Boy goes, you know what?

516
00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:12.059
I'll give this some form.

517
00:30:12.059 --> 00:30:12.960
I'll be back.

518
00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:13.799
Yeah, that's right.

519
00:30:13.859 --> 00:30:14.759
That's it.

520
00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:17.339
Every time the ratings are falling, I'll be back.

521
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:21.539
Ah, dear, your compassion.

522
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:23.400
Oh, it was a trick, wasn't it?

523
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.160
The whole thing about Lucian was a trick. that right?

524
00:30:26.220 --> 00:30:33.299
No, no, no, but they decided that the human beings were good because they cared about Lucian and wanted to defend him and stuff.

525
00:30:33.539 --> 00:30:35.819
They weren't terrible.

526
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:41.880
And now we're gonna beer because it's the devil. and he loves beer and let's have a drink.

527
00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:42.779
Whoa.

528
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.240
It was a favourite custom of mine on earth.

529
00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:46.500
A toast.

530
00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:48.119
Good for him.

531
00:30:48.180 --> 00:30:49.680
Oh, here we go.

532
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.440
Here's the moral now, delivered directly to the audience.

533
00:30:52.500 --> 00:30:53.880
Exactly.

534
00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:58.619
You really think that Lucian was really the demon that people call Lucifer?

535
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:00.000
I think he was.

536
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:02.759
Oh, that was the dialogue.

537
00:31:02.819 --> 00:31:03.299
Sorry.

538
00:31:03.299 --> 00:31:04.559
No, no.

539
00:31:04.619 --> 00:31:05.700
I know, but I think he was.

540
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:09.240
And thanks to you, this is the 1st time he was saved.

541
00:31:09.299 --> 00:31:10.559
Yeah.

542
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:11.039
Yeah.

543
00:31:11.099 --> 00:31:12.720
Good for you. saved the devil.

544
00:31:12.779 --> 00:31:14.640
And that's it.

545
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.099
To wreak havoc on the earth again.

546
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:26.099
No, because he's a good guy. good for him Do you know, do you know how the director's name there is written in that sort of glorious penmanship?

547
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:27.779
It's a bit like bewitched, isn it?

548
00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:29.819
Yeah, a little bit.

549
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:34.559
I'm thinking about the, remember they do the signatures at the end of Star Trek 6?

550
00:31:34.619 --> 00:31:36.299
Ah, yeah.

551
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:39.539
Yeah, everyone signs their name because we're never gonna see them again.

552
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:44.339
Well, I'm not entirely sure what else to say about the magics of makers too.

553
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:46.140
Yeah, you know, it's a thing.

554
00:31:46.259 --> 00:31:47.759
It wasn't the worst.

555
00:31:47.819 --> 00:31:58.619
I mean, I knew we were just going to laugh our way through it, and I knew our eyeballs would be titillated a little bit by the pretty colours on the screen, and I knew that none of the ideas would come to any sort of fruition at the end.

556
00:31:58.680 --> 00:31:59.339
No.

557
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.799
It is incredibly simple.

558
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:04.920
And like I said, they've come up with an idea, but not with a story.

559
00:32:04.980 --> 00:32:07.859
They've come up with a backstory, but no actual story.

560
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.019
And so there's no real plot to it.

561
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:12.660
It just like is a bunch of shit that happens, I guess.

562
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.019
And with a very obvious kind of ending.

563
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:17.519
Oh, you know, like whatever.

564
00:32:17.579 --> 00:32:21.240
I think the nicest thing I could possibly say about the magics of makers too.

565
00:32:21.299 --> 00:32:29.700
I'll just get that totally one more time is that there are a couple of steals I could take from this episode, including the beautiful cityscape of Makers 2.

566
00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:36.480
Captain Kirk doing his magical powers in front of the prior flag that I would actually have up on my walls, pieces of art.

567
00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:37.019
Yeah, yeah.

568
00:32:37.019 --> 00:32:39.240
It's proper pop art crap, isn't it?

569
00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:39.839
It's great.

570
00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:46.019
But beyond that, I think I may have been losing scant because I don't have many.

571
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:48.599
IQ points with every 2nd this was on.

572
00:32:49.140 --> 00:32:53.039
That's what Star Trek the animated series is for.

573
00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:05.640
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to work out where we're going next time.

574
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:17.819
Inevitably, this dreadful episode was my choice last time, and so it's your go, Joe, to pick something of lasting value.

575
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:20.160
So what series are we choosing from?

576
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:22.799
I want to go somewhere a bit more reliable.

577
00:33:22.859 --> 00:33:28.380
I don't think we're possibly going to see anything quite as extraordinary as what we've watched today.

578
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:36.480
So I'm just going to choose DS9, but I think we've done far too many good DS9 episodes.

579
00:33:36.539 --> 00:33:41.099
So I'm gonna keep rolling until we get either average or terrible.

580
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:43.019
Okay, that sounds awesome.

581
00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:44.339
I like that project.

582
00:33:45.180 --> 00:33:46.920
Oh no.

583
00:33:46.980 --> 00:33:49.380
Season five, episode 13 for the uniform.

584
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:50.700
That's very good.

585
00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:51.660
It's too good.

586
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.059
Oh, series four, episode 11.

587
00:33:54.299 --> 00:33:55.259
Home front.

588
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:55.980
No, that's really good.

589
00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:58.079
We could be here sometime.

590
00:33:58.500 --> 00:34:02.220
Season six, episode five, favour the bold.

591
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:02.940
That's great.

592
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:04.559
Lead up to sacrifice of angels.

593
00:34:04.619 --> 00:34:06.180
Shadows and symbols.

594
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:06.900
We already done.

595
00:34:07.019 --> 00:34:09.659
Ah, yes, here it is.

596
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:10.619
Here we go.

597
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:11.400
Here it is.

598
00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:12.840
Is it move along home?

599
00:34:12.900 --> 00:34:13.920
No.

600
00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:16.679
But it is fucking dreary to watch.

601
00:34:16.739 --> 00:34:17.639
Okay.

602
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.460
Season three, episode eight.

603
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:21.780
Meridian.

604
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:23.579
Oh my goodness.

605
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:24.000
Okay.

606
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:29.280
Space 9 does Brigadoon, as directed by Jonathan Frakes.

607
00:34:29.340 --> 00:34:30.539
Oh, okay.

608
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:32.159
Well, Jonathan Frakes is good.

609
00:34:32.219 --> 00:34:35.099
Yes. this being miserably cramp, though.

610
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.739
Dak's romance of the week episode.

611
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:45.599
However, I can promise you it does have some light in it because they film a huge chunk of the episode outside.

612
00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:46.980
Yeah, brilliant.

613
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:47.519
Yeah.

614
00:34:47.579 --> 00:35:01.920
Well, I think this is one from memory that doesn't break the rule that romances with regular female characters are always terrible and romances with regular male characters tend to be better.

615
00:35:01.980 --> 00:35:03.539
Am I right?

616
00:35:03.659 --> 00:35:06.719
I, oh, I've never thought about it actually.

617
00:35:07.019 --> 00:35:15.119
Well, yes, I mean, I just thought of Melora, which is obviously terrible, and another Julian one, which is the one where...

618
00:35:15.179 --> 00:35:18.420
Yeah, which he shouldn't, he shouldn't be having that relationship.

619
00:35:18.539 --> 00:35:22.619
Anyway, I could be wrong, but okay, so Meridian then good.

620
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:43.019
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

621
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:48.420
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

622
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:54.420
This episode was recorded on the 16th of July 2024 and released on the 19th of July.

623
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:58.679
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Arabian.

624
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:22.079
But there's some great quotes about it as well, memory alpha, because no one's really impressed with it.

625
00:36:22.139 --> 00:36:23.099
No, yeah.

626
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:24.719
Everyone's a bit embarrassed.

627
00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:27.239
I didn't mind it although she thought rejoined was better.

628
00:36:27.300 --> 00:36:29.519
Yeah, I'm going to read that one out there for me.

629
00:36:29.579 --> 00:36:30.300
Yeah, yeah.

630
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:32.219
But it's about something.

631
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:34.260
Oh, 1st there's this.

632
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.000
Just a second, Alfie scratching at the door.

633
00:36:39.659 --> 00:36:42.480
Do you want to come a podcast with me, mate?

634
00:36:42.539 --> 00:36:43.739
Come on, inside.

635
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.599
You take this off.

636
00:36:49.619 --> 00:36:51.119
All right.

637
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.300
Are getting on the couch?

638
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:06.840
Good boy.

639
00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:07.739
Okay.

640
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.300
All right.

641
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:10.619
Oh we are recording, aren't we?

642
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:11.820
Okay.

643
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:13.800
All right, let's start.

644
00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:14.699
How do we do this thing?

645
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:19.260
The most low-key way possible.

646
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:20.340
Let's see.

647
00:37:21.539 --> 00:37:24.360
Hey, Joe. Hi.