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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back in season seven of Voyager, which is very close to

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where we began on untitled Star Trek project, and this is season

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seven, episode 15, The Void.

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And it's an episode that we've talked about a little bit because

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it is for me, I think, at least, an episode about Voyager as a TV

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show more than anything else.

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I know that Voyager did not have a writer's room in the same way

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that DS9 did.

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DS 9.

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They all sat around.

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They were on a whiteboard and they were putting stories together

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and making a season.

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Now, I know that didn't happen with Voyager, but I like to think

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for this one week only that the Voyager writers all sat down and

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went, oh, we really fudged this, didn't we?

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I'll tell you what, let's write an episode about what this show

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could have been all along and put it out towards the end on a run

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because that's exactly what this is.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it's a show that seems to critique the approach that Voyager

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has taken.

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And, and, you know, like, I've joked a couple of times about Star

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Trek Voyager being Star Trek, the Next Generation, only more right

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wing.

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And part of the reason for that is that Voyager turns up in the

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Delta Quadrant and is immediately beset by alien adversaries.

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And throughout the run of the show, we get new aliens introduced

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from year to year, you know, we start with a Kazon and the Vedians

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but we end up with things like the Hirogen and the Vardoir and the

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Melon and the Borg, and each time a new set of aliens is

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introduced, they're our enemies.

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You know, they're the people that we're fighting against.

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And so, we're as Star Trek, the next generation, was sometimes

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wordy and worthy and a bit boring because it was about

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negotiations and, and, you know, like embassy stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But it was about building and maintaining a federation and

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assisting people.

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And Voyager could always have been that in a more hostile and

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difficult space.

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It could always have been a show about forming alliances and

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assisting people.

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You know, like just the fact that voyages in the Delta Quadrant

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there isn't a federation, there's no one to give them orders or

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send them on missions.

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That doesn't mean that they couldn't turn up at a planet which had

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a problem and help them.

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But overwhelmingly, Voyager is constantly raising shields and

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issuing threats and things like that.

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And we see that a bit here, it didn't need to be like that.

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They raised the issue in an episode we've already done in

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alliances where Janeway did start building bridges with races and

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trying to, you know, help them get over their conflict with each

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other and then it all blew up in her face and the conclusion she

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drew at the end of the episode is, well, fuck those people.

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We're not going to have any alliances with anybody.

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We'll cling on to the principles of the federation and just head

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for earth.

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And then we never spoke about it again until now.

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Yeah, and that's not really the principles of the Federation

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anyway.

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There's no federation principles.

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We said at the time when we rolled and watched that episode that

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that was a weird characterisation of what the Federation was about

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because the Federation was all about making alliances and

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coalitions and reaching out and forming relationships.

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And we don't really get that in forager, but we do get that here.

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But it leans into something that really irritates me about this

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show, and that is Janeway's inconsistency.

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Now, don't get me wrong, I think Kate Mulgar is a wonderful

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performer.

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She can do no wrong.

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But unfortunately, she can only say the words that she's given.

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And in alliances, she said, no, no alliances.

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And then the 2nd she's pushed into this very dark region of space

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and I don't mean dark as in scary.

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I mean, dark as in dark.

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She goes, quick, we must make alliances with lots of people to try

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and pull our resources and get out of it.

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I want someone to say, excuse me?

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Do you not remember before when you lectured us all on the bridge

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and told us we weren't doing this sort of thing?

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Very, very strange.

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Yeah.

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I think she's not the only character who suffers from that sort of

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weird inconsistency even in this episode.

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But saying all of that.

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I do think the void is, it's not top tier Voyager, but it is an

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episode it's full of incident.

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It is grabbing hold of that idea of thrusting Voyager into a

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dangerous space and them having to cope with what is going on

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there.

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It manages to reach a conclusion within 45 minutes of how to do

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that in a way the show hasn't managed in 7 years.

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So bravo to what's the fella's name?

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Raff the writer.

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Raf Green.

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Bravo, Raf Green. you should have been showrunning the entire

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show.

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We would have got home a lot quicker.

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And weirdly enough, for us, episode has to do a lot.

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It has to establish this space, give us all these different aliens

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that are fighting each other and then do some surprising things

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with, um, you know, tricks and people beaming onto each other's

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ships and action and all of this.

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It doesn't feel rushed.

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I felt as if it had a nice measured pace.

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It had moments of conflict between characters on Voyager, which is

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always really nice.

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My only real complaint about this episode was I couldn't see much

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of it.

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Yeah.

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What's that, Nathan?

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I have to agree with you.

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I think this is a good solid episode of Voyager.

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It's not spectacular, and it does some things that I like a great

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deal, but fuck it looks miserable.

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It looks so dreary. doesn't it?

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It's really weird.

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I've never felt more like an old man watching the telly.

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I said to when I was sort of saying to my rough.

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I can't really see what's happening on the screen.

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So I turned the contrast from 50 to 100 and I could just about see

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people's outlines.

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I'm like, what are you thinking?

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It's bad.

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And just because it's dark.

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Like, some people, I think, found the lighting on board the Titan

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in Picard series 3, they found that a bit dark and a bit tiresome

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but the secret was having a heap of black in the frame, but

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lighting people and lighting their faces, and having some visual

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interest, everything in this is so muddy.

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In fact, the one set that works is the bridge because there are

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things lit up behind them.

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But it doesn't help as well that all the sets on Voyager are

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great.

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You wait till we press play.

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All the aliens are either brown or gray.

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So that doesn't help.

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So there's no light coming from anywhere.

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There's no nothing's popping.

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It's so weird.

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I got halfway through this and I was like, you know what?

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This isn't a bad episode, but I really wanted to end.

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I want to watch something.

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That's gonna excite my eyeballs a little bit.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You know, like in a way, this does do the Star Trek thing that I

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always want Star Trek to do, which is to put weird things on

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screen.

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Um, but it certainly doesn't do impressive visuals at all.

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It looks really bad and really boring.

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But I think that is a big complaint because we are watching

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television. we do want to we do want to see nice things.

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That aside, you know, if I was jammer, I'd give this a healthy 3

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stars and say this is a this is a good stab at showing what went

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wrong with the series. effort.

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I think we should watch this.

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What do you reckon?

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I think we should.

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Let me count us in.

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Five, 4, 32, one, and we're off.

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Okay, establishing Voyager Shop as usual.

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I think we're in CG now though.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So this scene's clearly here to kind of contrast with the scarcity

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that we get once we get into the void, so this is a lavish dinner

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cooked by seven.

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And I kind of like the surprise that it's 7 because we get, you

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know, my compliments to the chef and then everyone looks over to 7

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and seven. 7 makes clear that the only way she can get decent food

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is to cook it herself.

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And Neelix kind of adorably goes, I should be insulted by that, but

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the food's too delicious.

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I mean, when you see what Neelix serves up later, I know things

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are pretty bad by that point, but it doesn't...

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It looks like they've got a sort of vol au vant case with a bit of

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beef jammed inside it.

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It doesn't look too lavish.

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No, no.

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Is it a sort of very modern beef Wellington?

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don't know.

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Yeah, it's your favourite thing though.

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Nathan, isn't it?

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Voyager banter.

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Yeah, it's what you come to the show for.

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But I mean, 7's doing the Voyager banter.

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It would be kind of nicer if the other actors were kind of being

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more scared.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, and certainly that line, but, you know, where Tom Paris is

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going, I need salt, and she says, I'll replicate you a peanut

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butter and jelly sandwich, you fucking Philistine.

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No, it's awesome.

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My favourite bit was Chester saying, could I have some of the

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Pinot Noir, please?

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And she goes, no, all the points have been perfectly paired by the

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courses.

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You get what you're given.

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You're ungrateful shit.

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And then look, and then they all go.

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I know.

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That happens twice this episode.

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But one of the things I think that this, this does is, you know

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people talk about the fact that Voyagers in space, but we never

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get any sense of any scarcity, you know, there's the, you know, the

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replication.

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Every now and again.

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They'll lean on lean into it every now and again.

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Oh, we have to go and find some deuterium.

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We have to go to the planet and get some scrubs for Neelix

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Kitchen.

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Yeah, something like that, you know.

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It's not very clear how rare deuterium is, is it?

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Because in demon and course oblivion, it was impossible to find

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but in the dialogue, this episode we get told it's absolutely

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everywhere.

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So.

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Well, sir, are you suggesting Voyager might be a little

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inconsistent with its details?

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Perhaps they should have a whiteboard in the writer's room.

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Maybe they should have a ride, is it?

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Now, we just went to the bridge there for a second, which is the

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least gray of our very gray sets, but it's still pretty gray.

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Yeah, so that, I think that that's the most successful set.

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Once they properly turn the lights out, because we just ended up

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in the void, you know, in this opening sequence, and the 1st thing

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that happens is we get fired on.

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And then we go back to Voyager and we start firing back

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immediately.

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And, you know, it just reminded me how different that approach is

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from Star Trek the Next Generation.

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We wouldn't automatically fire back.

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We could, we'd find some way of communicating, but we don't do

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that here and we generally don't do that on Voyager.

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I couldn't help but notice that the enormous orifice that sort of

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sucked us into the void was in fact gray as well.

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Yeah, it's boring.

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And then when we go through, there's not even gray.

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It's just black.

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There's not even stars.

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Now, what but why couldn't they have made it a dangerous region of

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space?

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You know, lots of rocks and asteroids and things.

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It just looked really interesting.

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I like the idea of the void, and obviously the title has something

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to do with a moral void that exists there as well.

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No one can afford to do the right thing.

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Yeah, yeah, don't you think?

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And the fact that it's scarcity because there's literally

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nothing.

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There's absolutely nothing.

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There's no resources.

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Whatever reserves you have on your ship.

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That's it.

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That's all that's being taken from one ship to another.

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That's why they're destroying each other, why they're all

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betraying each other.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's an interesting idea.

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Yeah, that's a good dramatic idea.

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Visually, however, it's absolutely disastrous.

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So bad.

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And because we can't see out the windows to see how dark it is

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just turn all the fucking lights down on the ship.

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I mean, this is sort of standard red alert lighting, isn't it, for

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the bridge, do you think?

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I'm sorry to look like an old mound again.

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I'm like, what's happening on the bridge?

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I can't really see.

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There is at least some blue and red in the bridge.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm very happy. displays and stuff. and you can

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see people's faces.

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Do you know what?

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We should, no, actually, you and me, we should take a lesson from

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this, Nathan.

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Because we complained so much about those overlit bridge sets in

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TNG.

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Now they've turned all the lights off.

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We're still not happy.

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But, you know, the Titan is very dark in Picard series three, but

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it's not...

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I don't remember it being a problem, though.

286
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No, no.

287
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Yeah, no, no, I agree.

288
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No, you had a fabulous bar.

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Remember that bar they had the whole episode in where they were

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having the long dialogue too.

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And the bar was all lit up, so everyone was lit from below.

292
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Yeah, yeah.

293
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Oh, beautiful.

294
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Uh-oh, all the supplies are being stolen.

295
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is really great.

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I love that guy walking back from his computer terminal, which has

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completely disappeared.

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It's got to go, well, one of my favourite things about watching

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Voyager episodes is the Rando extras and their sort of dramatic

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reactions to things.

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Nothing will ever stop the woman beat the woman who goes, seal

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those doors.

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That's our one line and the whole thing.

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She's wonderful.

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Display shoes in.

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So apparently the only things they've got a value are on decks 57

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and 8.

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The rest of the day.

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Yeah.

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Although engineering isn't on any of those decks, is it?

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No, oh, they could have stolen the warp core.

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No, they stole one of the terminals. anyway, so I don't quite know

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what's happening.

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Did they steal all the food?

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I can't remember.

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It said they said 90% of our food reserves went.

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Oh, that must be Neelix's, you know, vegetables grow real.

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The airplane is on the root.

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Yeah, that's awesome.

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When you're desperate, all right, Leona?

321
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It looks very enticing.

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But I mean, I think instead of telling, and I think that it is

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deliberate that we go straight to this red alert scene, see, this

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is normal lighting, isn't it?

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This is absolutely normal lighting.

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What do you think of this guy?

327
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So one of the things that we said last week was that we'd be doing

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lots of ratings on the Beaumar scale.

329
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Where do you think Valen comes on the bow mask?

330
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I mean, he's not ridiculous enough to be on the Beaumont scale

331
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really?

332
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It's just sort of half sort of Cardassian, a little bit Jem

333
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Hadarish, and is, you know, just Matt Gray.

334
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Well, no, he's a bit shinier.

335
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Like he's actually shinier than a Cardassian.

336
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He's not the same colour as a Kardashian.

337
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He's a little bit bronze there in that light as well, a little bit

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brown and a bit shiny.

339
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And I, you know, this is an incredibly good performance.

340
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This guy has been in a bunch of stuff.

341
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He doesn't do any other Star Trek, but...

342
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He's sort of slimy, isn't he?

343
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I bit...

344
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Gold Ducashir. you know, you're very aware he's a bit villainous.

345
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But it's charming enough.

346
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

347
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And he's quite reasonable.

348
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I mean, he is proposing an alliance kind of of his own here, isn't

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he?

350
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You know, he comes and approaches them because they've managed to

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fight off the other ships and he wants some photon torpedoes and

352
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you know, like he wants to exchange things and then they refuse.

353
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I think he's okay.

354
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I think he's okay.

355
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And I guess mostly because the shape of his face is still visible

356
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in his mouth and stuff.

357
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I think the best. alien species we get in this is the return of

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the Melons that look like a massive pooze.

359
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Oh, just because they're so ridiculous.

360
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And they're always sort of comic performances.

361
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So they stand out a little bit.

362
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This guy's all right.

363
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Maybe it's a 5 on the Bomar scale.

364
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Nothing too outrageous.

365
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A five?

366
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A five?

367
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Yeah, 4 or five, I think.

368
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Well, rate them all as we go.

369
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

370
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It's basically his ridges and things are whatever they've had in

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stock.

372
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They just called out the stock and shoved it on his face.

373
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Well, the same with the nose looks like a bit of a male on nose as

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well.

375
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You know, the sort of weird nostrils and stuff.

376
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But yeah, he's not too bad.

377
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He's... is absolutely morally clear here.

378
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We do not trade weapons.

379
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And that's been that has been a standard thing.

380
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Do you remember?

381
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Like they tended not to trade technology at all, but certainly not

382
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weapons.

383
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Um, Yeah, yeah.

384
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So, so she's already starting to demonstrate that she has

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principles.

386
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And it, really, it's Valen here who, where it's about the void, you

387
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know, you can't really afford to have these principles.

388
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Morality won't keep your life support systems running, is what he

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says.

390
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She says, and her wonderful voice.

391
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There are compromises.

392
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I am not willing to make.

393
00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:47.519
Yeah, but he just says not yet.

394
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You know, this is a moral void this place.

395
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Do you think this has legs beyond a single episode?

396
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No.

397
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I do.

398
00:16:55.799 --> 00:17:01.679
I think they could not a season, but maybe maybe like the DS96

399
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part arc.

400
00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:04.319
I think they could have done something tasty with 6 episodes.

401
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But I think what this exists to do is to kind of contrast with the

402
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rest of Voyager.

403
00:17:11.819 --> 00:17:17.279
And so I like it doing that, just a little parable about people.

404
00:17:17.339 --> 00:17:18.480
Do you know what I mean?

405
00:17:18.539 --> 00:17:22.319
Like the reason I think this works is within one episode we see

406
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them arrive.

407
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We get the situation explained because one of the things he does

408
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so deftly, and I think you kind of alluded to it before, is it has

409
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to explain this world and its rules, and it does it really well.

410
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It sets up the kind of moral conundrum.

411
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We make the right decision and we watch people learn to cooperate

412
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and it falters and there's reversals and stuff, and then we

413
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escape.

414
00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.859
And so telling that story, I think, in 45 minutes.

415
00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:51.299
You could have done, you know, like a 6 part thing, but I think

416
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you lose something, maybe.

417
00:17:52.740 --> 00:17:56.880
You know, the individual parts would be less interesting than this

418
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as a whole, I think.

419
00:17:58.740 --> 00:18:03.299
Which is interesting, but not all that interesting.

420
00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:08.460
No, but like it does tell, it does tell a Star Trek story, which

421
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is kind of rare.

422
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And you see, even this, I think, is really good.

423
00:18:12.299 --> 00:18:15.539
The 1st failed attempt works really well to illustrate the stakes

424
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to show how close they are, how they're not stupid to imagine that

425
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they could escape.

426
00:18:20.220 --> 00:18:22.980
Is Voyager there in that black cloud?

427
00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:24.119
Oh, yeah, there's a little light.

428
00:18:24.420 --> 00:18:28.980
I think in terms of plotting, this really shows up a lot of other

429
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Voyager episodes for what it achieves, because they're, like, we

430
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have the scene with, was it Galen?

431
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Is that his name?

432
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Where he explains what the void is.

433
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Then you have the scene in Astrometrics, which explains how they

434
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get in and out of what they're going to have to do.

435
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Like you said, then you have the scene where they try and get out

436
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and then another ship comes along and tries to take their supplies

437
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and it does it all so efficiently.

438
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In a way, the forger episodes rarely do, you know?

439
00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:54.000
Yeah, this is really good, isn't it?

440
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At that moment, you're about to see stars through that sort of...

441
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Oh, my God, stars.

442
00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:02.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

443
00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:04.920
But we're totally there with so close.

444
00:19:04.980 --> 00:19:06.240
Yeah, yeah.

445
00:19:06.299 --> 00:19:07.380
It's good.

446
00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:09.900
It is true. does Harry get a line in this?

447
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I just saw him there at the console.

448
00:19:11.579 --> 00:19:13.380
Oh, maybe.

449
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I can't really remember.

450
00:19:14.579 --> 00:19:15.240
Yeah.

451
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What would have been very unfortunate, Nathan, would have been if

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they had been stuck in this voyage for the rest of the series. to

453
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be lost in, you know, a dangerous reach of the space once was

454
00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:30.059
unfortunate, but this is just taking a piss now.

455
00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:31.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

456
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Now we lost inner space withinner space.

457
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Did you think somebody should have said the line, though?

458
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Someone should have said, this is just like our situation. in the

459
00:19:39.059 --> 00:19:40.079
Delta Quadra?

460
00:19:40.140 --> 00:19:40.859
No.

461
00:19:41.339 --> 00:19:44.460
If it was cursewood trick, somebody would say it.

462
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Oh, look at that.

463
00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:48.779
Look how fucking dreadful that shot is.

464
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To be honest, Nathan.

465
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I can't see anyone.

466
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Who's in the shop?

467
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I wear my glasses.

468
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I'm wearing a glass.

469
00:19:58.680 --> 00:19:59.460
It's so dark.

470
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Is that Janeway walking around?

471
00:20:01.259 --> 00:20:02.220
Yeah.

472
00:20:02.220 --> 00:20:05.160
I shouldn't be asking this question.

473
00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:08.460
Oh, I can see Neelix.

474
00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:08.759
Okay.

475
00:20:08.819 --> 00:20:12.420
Oh, I love that line where he goes, I used to be a scavenger.

476
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Let me go off in my little shuttle.

477
00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:16.680
And I thought she was going to say, yes, yeah, go on, go and

478
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find.

479
00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:19.319
And then I thought maybe that was going to be the answer to the

480
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episode at the end.

481
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Like, that would be how they'd get away.

482
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Then she took a punt, but she goes, no, your little shuttle.

483
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It wouldn't stand you know, 2 minutes in the void. stay here with

484
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us.

485
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I'm glad they mentioned the shuttles because the shuttles have

486
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their own warp cores and stuff like that and they don't forget

487
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that they do actually mention it.

488
00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:36.660
Oh, that's a good line.

489
00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:37.799
The vultures are circling.

490
00:20:37.859 --> 00:20:39.240
No, but her line.

491
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Vultures eat the dead, Mr. Paris.

492
00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:41.759
We're not dead yet.

493
00:20:41.819 --> 00:20:42.720
Like, that's great.

494
00:20:42.779 --> 00:20:43.920
That's tremendous.

495
00:20:43.980 --> 00:20:45.359
That's classic Janeway.

496
00:20:45.420 --> 00:20:48.119
You give Kate Mulgra a line like that.

497
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She got to chew up and spit out, isn't she?

498
00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:52.079
Just tremendous.

499
00:20:52.140 --> 00:20:54.359
Oh, now the bridge seems very dark as well.

500
00:20:54.420 --> 00:20:56.460
Will someone put a fucking light on, please?

501
00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:58.920
That's great.

502
00:20:58.980 --> 00:21:00.839
That sort of flaming ship.

503
00:21:00.900 --> 00:21:03.240
You know, they kind of reckoned the ship, but it's got sort of

504
00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:04.259
smoke coming off it.

505
00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:07.259
I'm just saying that because you can see something.

506
00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:08.880
Yeah, yeah, that could be it.

507
00:21:08.940 --> 00:21:09.779
That could be it.

508
00:21:09.900 --> 00:21:12.900
Oh, Harry Kim did get a line, but it was all terrible.

509
00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:17.339
Unless the episode's about him in series 7, I think that's

510
00:21:17.339 --> 00:21:18.180
basically all he does.

511
00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:19.200
That's all he does.

512
00:21:19.259 --> 00:21:20.519
Same with Tuvok.

513
00:21:20.579 --> 00:21:22.319
Tuvok gets some stuff to do.

514
00:21:22.380 --> 00:21:24.480
That's a genuine waste, though, that is.

515
00:21:24.539 --> 00:21:26.099
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

516
00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:26.940
Yeah, yeah.

517
00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:30.299
I do like I love the line when they both go to her quarters and

518
00:21:30.299 --> 00:21:32.700
she goes, it doesn't take 2 people to deliver a pad.

519
00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:34.019
What do you want?

520
00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:34.980
Yeah, yeah.

521
00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.319
I've seen, well, talk about that scene when we get there?

522
00:21:37.380 --> 00:21:39.660
Because I think that is a good line, but I think that scene is a

523
00:21:39.660 --> 00:21:39.960
problem.

524
00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:43.740
Yeah, again, this is not great either.

525
00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:45.420
What's happening right now?

526
00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:48.000
I can see with a sort of torch, but it's not actually lighting

527
00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:48.359
anything up.

528
00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:51.480
No, because all we can see of the torches, we can't see their

529
00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:52.019
faces.

530
00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:53.819
You know, we can't really see anything.

531
00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:59.339
We see this and so it's the casing that the warp core for that

532
00:21:59.339 --> 00:22:02.460
ship came in, but it's got a character in it.

533
00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:04.380
Like it's got a new character in it.

534
00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:05.819
Oh, it's Fantome.

535
00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:06.720
Yes.

536
00:22:06.779 --> 00:22:10.380
So he's played by Jonathan Del Arco.

537
00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:11.819
Is that Shuborg?

538
00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:13.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

539
00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:17.819
So he's played by Hugh Borg, who is in descent, part two, which

540
00:22:17.819 --> 00:22:21.720
we've already done, and Iborg, obviously, and he does come back in

541
00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:23.220
Picard too.

542
00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:27.900
We're doing sort of painted body stockings for Fantome's people

543
00:22:27.900 --> 00:22:29.460
which is a look, isn't it?

544
00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:33.660
Well, part of the problem is we've already done night and didn't

545
00:22:33.660 --> 00:22:36.359
night have those glowing people in it?

546
00:22:36.420 --> 00:22:38.519
Oh, I can't really remember.

547
00:22:38.579 --> 00:22:42.480
I can see much of that episode on. semi-visible, semi-visible sort

548
00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:47.099
of glowy people who seem like they live in a void like that.

549
00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:51.180
Here, yeah, the body stocking and the thing and everything's

550
00:22:51.180 --> 00:22:51.599
brown.

551
00:22:51.660 --> 00:22:55.980
This is the attempt, I think, for this episode to show us how we

552
00:22:55.980 --> 00:22:58.140
could have done weird Star Trek as well.

553
00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:01.200
Part of the show's premise is being new.

554
00:23:01.259 --> 00:23:04.200
Conceptually, this alien race is the most interesting of the

555
00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:08.819
episode. little scavenger people, they hide away on people's ships

556
00:23:08.819 --> 00:23:11.759
nick their food and things like that, and that's how they exist

557
00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:15.660
and communicating via music, which is such a great idea.

558
00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:19.559
We learn to communicate with them over the course of the episode

559
00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:20.279
too.

560
00:23:20.339 --> 00:23:23.279
So all of that is absolutely what we should be doing.

561
00:23:23.339 --> 00:23:25.500
I was praying.

562
00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:29.519
I was praying to whoever's up there that my other after did not

563
00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:32.400
walk in the room when they were all playing their music on the

564
00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:34.500
pads because I would never live that down.

565
00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:36.839
I thought that was really good.

566
00:23:36.900 --> 00:23:40.140
It's weird that it's fun, but my God, yeah, you don't want a non

567
00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:41.220
Star Trek fancy in that.

568
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:44.460
Look, can you see your Voyager there?

569
00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:46.920
I can just see the tiny round pit of the Nacile.

570
00:23:46.980 --> 00:23:47.880
Yeah, yeah.

571
00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:52.140
I think the whatever it is at the beginning. here we go.

572
00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:54.599
Is it because they're conserving the light string?

573
00:23:54.660 --> 00:23:55.380
Is that what's going on?

574
00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

575
00:23:57.420 --> 00:24:00.299
They're conserving my entertainment values as well.

576
00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:00.960
Yeah.

577
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:06.000
So Valen has their deuterium, and so they're going to go and take

578
00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:06.660
that off him.

579
00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:09.539
So and again here, right?

580
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:15.180
So this is this is another time where she's given the chance to do

581
00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:17.640
something that will help them to survive and she says no.

582
00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:21.359
So the 1st time is where she refuses to enter an alliance with

583
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:24.720
Galen because she doesn't want to give their weapons technology to

584
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:25.079
him.

585
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:30.779
Here, she retrieves some of the stuff that's been stolen.

586
00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:31.680
Valen didn't steal it.

587
00:24:31.740 --> 00:24:34.799
It was on that other ship, but he's got the staff.

588
00:24:34.859 --> 00:24:36.240
And so they steal it.

589
00:24:36.299 --> 00:24:41.279
And then, and then Harry, Tom says there's more food, we could

590
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:42.299
just take that.

591
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:45.059
And she says, well, it's not ours.

592
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:46.680
So no, we're not going to do that.

593
00:24:46.980 --> 00:24:53.579
And what I think is weird about this is that everyone seems to

594
00:24:53.579 --> 00:24:55.799
think that Janeway's being crazy.

595
00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:58.200
Excluding me.

596
00:24:58.259 --> 00:25:02.160
But aren't they members of the Federation and Starfleet?

597
00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:04.440
I get away with that because I'm not.

598
00:25:04.500 --> 00:25:05.579
Yeah.

599
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:08.099
So they're members of Starfleet.

600
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.440
Like, why are they surprised by this?

601
00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:13.019
And so that's this scene now?

602
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:17.460
We've got Janeway in her quarters already room or whatever. she in

603
00:25:17.460 --> 00:25:18.000
a ready room?

604
00:25:18.059 --> 00:25:21.779
And the boys come in, Tuvok and the medium, Robert.

605
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:24.000
It reminds me of that putting course oblivion.

606
00:25:24.059 --> 00:25:26.220
Do remember where Tom Paris was like, well, we haven't got a bear

607
00:25:26.220 --> 00:25:26.640
anymore.

608
00:25:26.700 --> 00:25:29.579
Just, you know, just because their circumstances are now different

609
00:25:29.579 --> 00:25:31.319
you can behave however you want.

610
00:25:31.380 --> 00:25:34.380
That's how everyone on the ship seems to be behaving that way

611
00:25:34.380 --> 00:25:34.680
this.

612
00:25:35.700 --> 00:25:40.440
So both Chakotay and Tuvok and Tuvok, for me, that's the most

613
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:41.759
baffling thing.

614
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:43.200
It does say it's logical.

615
00:25:43.259 --> 00:25:46.140
Logic dictates we may have to be more opportunistic to survive.

616
00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:49.440
Okay, but that's, but that just isn't him.

617
00:25:49.500 --> 00:25:50.279
Do you know what I mean?

618
00:25:50.339 --> 00:25:54.539
Like he's been in Starfleet for decades longer than Janeway's been

619
00:25:54.539 --> 00:25:55.319
alive.

620
00:25:55.380 --> 00:25:58.200
You know, he's her old friend.

621
00:25:58.259 --> 00:26:04.500
He's a Vulcan, and he hasn't really read the Federation charter.

622
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:05.279
Do you know what I mean?

623
00:26:05.339 --> 00:26:07.559
Like, he doesn't, he thinks it's okay.

624
00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:08.519
I just don't get it.

625
00:26:08.579 --> 00:26:13.079
We've seen Tuvok make morally ambiguous choices before.

626
00:26:13.140 --> 00:26:16.740
Remember that time when he took that technology to spare Jade away

627
00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:19.559
from having to nick it off that species and then justified his

628
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:22.500
action because he's her friend and he didn't want her to make that

629
00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:22.799
choice.

630
00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:23.880
That made sense.

631
00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:24.539
You're right.

632
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:28.440
This is just like, okay, well, I'm just gonna abandon all my

633
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:29.160
principles.

634
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:30.539
Because we're in a tricky situation.

635
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:36.839
We need 2 characters to come in and 2 kind of they're on opposite

636
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:39.720
sides, aren't they, in a way, to Vulcan, not anymore, but

637
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:40.380
originally.

638
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:43.019
And so they both need to express scepticism.

639
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:46.200
Do you know what I think the problem might be, is we're not seeing

640
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:50.519
this situation as desperate as it could be presented because

641
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:53.279
they're still in their nice comfortable ship and they are deleting

642
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:53.940
and all this.

643
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:57.180
And if things were really desperate, then maybe this scene would

644
00:26:57.180 --> 00:26:57.720
make more sense.

645
00:26:57.779 --> 00:27:01.140
If this was Battlestar Galactica. they show this void to be a

646
00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:05.220
truly horrific region of space and half of shit would be torn off

647
00:27:05.220 --> 00:27:08.339
and then maybe them coming to a quarter saying, you know what

648
00:27:08.339 --> 00:27:11.880
you're a nicely nicely approach of alliances with people, maybe

649
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:12.839
that's not the way to go.

650
00:27:12.900 --> 00:27:16.200
But, but, but, there's something different normal.

651
00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:18.480
We're just in the same sets with the lights down.

652
00:27:18.539 --> 00:27:20.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

653
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:20.940
That's true.

654
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:22.380
It is hard to sell it.

655
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:23.759
And he's just the lights down.

656
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:27.960
And once the lights have turned down, we start to make...

657
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:29.579
Things are truly decisions.

658
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:30.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

659
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:36.240
But, but this, you know, Voyager could always have been about this

660
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:39.480
and the characters could have been committed to this. and this is

661
00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:44.339
Star Trek and maybe that should be their their basic approach.

662
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:48.900
It shouldn't come as a surprise that we come in here and decide to

663
00:27:48.900 --> 00:27:53.519
make alliances and create relationships by helping people and

664
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:54.420
working together.

665
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:55.920
Everyone goes, well, that's crazy.

666
00:27:55.980 --> 00:27:57.000
Why would you do that?

667
00:27:57.059 --> 00:27:57.420
You know?

668
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:01.559
Is it a problem then that Voyager is always heading home?

669
00:28:01.619 --> 00:28:05.099
So it's heading away from whatever alliance they would be making.

670
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:10.559
Maybe, but you can imagine them like appearing at a place or being

671
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:13.859
in a region of space and meeting people.

672
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:17.880
Yeah, yeah. and sort of turning up, and trying to work together to

673
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:19.859
reach out to people and stuff, and they're almost never doing

674
00:28:19.859 --> 00:28:20.160
that.

675
00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:22.380
Like when aliens come along, they're usually sort of just

676
00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:26.279
intransigent fuckwits who, you know, won't let them through space

677
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:27.119
or whatever.

678
00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:27.900
Do you know what I mean?

679
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:29.039
They're always an obstacle.

680
00:28:29.099 --> 00:28:30.240
They never someone to reach out to.

681
00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:31.859
I, you know what I mean?

682
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:33.180
such a terrible old cynic.

683
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:35.759
I love the idea of Voyager heading into a region of space and

684
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:38.819
doing what you said there, making alliances and trying to do the

685
00:28:38.819 --> 00:28:42.660
right thing and then making a massive fuck up of it and going, shit

686
00:28:42.660 --> 00:28:44.640
we're just going to have to go and then just leave him.

687
00:28:44.700 --> 00:28:46.319
Well, I mean, that's drama.

688
00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:47.819
I work all the time.

689
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:48.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

690
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:51.960
But that should be what our guys represent.

691
00:28:52.019 --> 00:28:53.339
I think this guy is...

692
00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:55.140
I think that's what they do in Dragon's teeth, actually.

693
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.119
Do you remember Dragon Steve with the Valdoir?

694
00:28:57.180 --> 00:28:59.279
They're the ones that wake them up.

695
00:28:59.339 --> 00:29:02.519
And then they literally, the last shot is Voyager walking away as

696
00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:03.779
they're all in a massive battle.

697
00:29:04.859 --> 00:29:07.259
Sorry for waking them up.

698
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:12.660
Like the scene in the opening credits of Lower Decks.

699
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.279
This guy is pretty good.

700
00:29:17.339 --> 00:29:19.740
This guy, Garren, and he...

701
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:20.519
I can't see him.

702
00:29:20.579 --> 00:29:20.940
I'm sorry.

703
00:29:20.940 --> 00:29:22.619
No that again.

704
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:23.519
Do you know what I mean?

705
00:29:23.579 --> 00:29:28.259
Like, he is, it's it's a bit of a 7 or an 8.

706
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.960
It's kind of like a fucked up Klingon, isn't it?

707
00:29:31.019 --> 00:29:32.880
Like with that stupid face thing.

708
00:29:32.940 --> 00:29:33.839
It's...

709
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:38.099
I think that's the same uniforms that the creatures in captive

710
00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:39.599
pursuit wars. you remember Tosk?

711
00:29:39.660 --> 00:29:41.160
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

712
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:43.740
The people that came to get tossed had red jumpsuits with

713
00:29:43.740 --> 00:29:45.900
something going all the way along die like that.

714
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.720
I realised that's a very geeky detail, but that's what I'm here

715
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:48.960
for.

716
00:29:49.019 --> 00:29:50.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

717
00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:51.480
No, absolutely, it could be.

718
00:29:51.539 --> 00:29:57.240
I like Neelix's line, and I like, I love Janeway's reaction, where

719
00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:01.619
Neelix says I tried, and she just looks at him with kind of love

720
00:30:01.619 --> 00:30:05.099
and thanks in just a little look from Janeway.

721
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:05.759
I thought that was great.

722
00:30:05.819 --> 00:30:10.079
Somewhere in the last 2 or 3 seasons.

723
00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:12.420
They really started to get the edix, right?

724
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:13.319
And I'm seeing it now.

725
00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:16.079
I think they pushed it away from all the being jealous of Tom

726
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:16.680
Paris.

727
00:30:16.740 --> 00:30:18.420
You know, all of that.

728
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.299
Oh, no, my uselessness is coming to an end all that bullshit.

729
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:25.500
And they just had him as a godfather to Naomi Wildman, as a gentle

730
00:30:25.500 --> 00:30:30.900
advisor to Janeway, and yeah, just there to be the moral compass

731
00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:32.579
of the ship, you know, the morale of.

732
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:33.299
It works though.

733
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:35.759
And because they all love Ethan Phillips.

734
00:30:35.819 --> 00:30:38.279
I think those scenes are all really gentle and play really well.

735
00:30:38.339 --> 00:30:39.660
Yeah, yeah.

736
00:30:39.660 --> 00:30:42.119
I'm sort of coming round a bit with Nick.

737
00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:43.980
I agree.

738
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:46.740
I like this scene as well.

739
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:51.059
And again, 7 is the right person to be doing this because that's

740
00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:52.079
her role, isn't it?

741
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:55.200
But Janeway...

742
00:30:55.259 --> 00:30:58.019
No, but also for Janeway to explain to her what it means to be

743
00:30:58.019 --> 00:31:01.319
human. you know, like what, why we make the decisions we make.

744
00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:05.039
And the fact that that previous scene had ended with a striking

745
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:09.779
moment of her ordering some of her replicator rations to go to

746
00:31:09.779 --> 00:31:15.420
Fantomi, which is a striking moment and then having Janeway call

747
00:31:15.420 --> 00:31:18.000
her out on and saying, you did that, you know, that wasn't

748
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:18.359
rational.

749
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:20.819
That was not an official decision that you made.

750
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:21.480
Yeah, yeah.

751
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:24.480
Also, as well, it shows you how much things have softened between

752
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:24.900
them two.

753
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.019
Because back in the day, 7 would have acted against her.

754
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:31.680
And at the end of that scene, she just sort of sighs theatric go

755
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.799
oh, she does and walks off.

756
00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:35.759
Which is very nice.

757
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:38.400
Oh, is this the bit where they're playing their music?

758
00:31:38.460 --> 00:31:42.720
Apparently, you know, they put in deliberate bits from the

759
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:44.759
original series theme tune in there.

760
00:31:44.819 --> 00:31:47.039
I couldn't really hear it, but no, I couldn't either.

761
00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:48.779
I did try and listen for listen for it.

762
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:50.880
So I quite like Seven's line.

763
00:31:50.940 --> 00:31:53.519
You know, you've come up with a name for this guy, but in 6 years

764
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.279
you haven't come up with a name for yourself.

765
00:31:56.339 --> 00:31:58.319
I think you're fine, though, Fred.

766
00:31:58.380 --> 00:32:02.220
He comes up with a very small name eventually. low effort name at

767
00:32:02.220 --> 00:32:02.460
the end.

768
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:03.960
Oh, you bitch.

769
00:32:04.019 --> 00:32:08.460
And so, but that's kind of adorable.

770
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:11.579
He doesn't pronounce the guy's name correctly.

771
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:13.980
I don't know why he calls him Fantomi.

772
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:16.980
Um, because it's Phantom of the Opera.

773
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:18.539
French, it's Fantomme.

774
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:19.680
That's the word for ghost.

775
00:32:19.740 --> 00:32:22.859
I don't know why he's not called Fantom. you know, like why is he

776
00:32:22.859 --> 00:32:23.700
called Fantomi?

777
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:26.640
Robert Picardo is a well-red man, you know?

778
00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:29.339
I'm sure he knows so that must be a deliberate choice.

779
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:31.259
Oh, it's wrong, but it's a mistake.

780
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:33.180
I think it's a mistake and no one's corrected him.

781
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:38.640
And if the in Italian, it's Il Fantasma, it's not fantastic.

782
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:41.039
Maybe they're just trying to give it a sort of science fiction.

783
00:32:41.099 --> 00:32:42.359
Oh, fantastic.

784
00:32:42.420 --> 00:32:43.740
Fantome is a good name.

785
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:45.539
It's better than usual for Voyager.

786
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:46.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

787
00:32:46.980 --> 00:32:49.079
You know, remember the Beaumar, Nathan?

788
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:51.539
They had an apostrophe.

789
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:57.059
Yeah, you can't turn the line, can you?

790
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:58.200
Partly for life.

791
00:32:58.259 --> 00:32:58.980
You can't see anything.

792
00:32:59.039 --> 00:32:59.579
That's why.

793
00:32:59.700 --> 00:33:01.259
That's it.

794
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:03.059
Oh, no way.

795
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.539
This table is lit up, so we can see the miserable food they're

796
00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:07.140
about to be served.

797
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:12.420
But again, you know, there's this thing, and I said before, that

798
00:33:12.420 --> 00:33:17.039
Voyager is scarce in resources, and we occasionally mention it, but

799
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:21.779
we never see the crew kind of emiserated by that particularly, and

800
00:33:21.779 --> 00:33:25.200
they still have social occasions, and they still go on the

801
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:29.339
holodeck, and they still enjoy food, you know, they sit down and

802
00:33:29.339 --> 00:33:30.480
Neelix cooks for them.

803
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:35.039
And so even here when in the midst of the worst imaginable

804
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.700
scarcity where there's literally nothing outside, they still have

805
00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:39.359
that meal.

806
00:33:39.420 --> 00:33:42.539
And I think that that's the reason for that scene, don't you?

807
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:47.400
Because you've got Ethan being warm, you've got, uh, you know

808
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:49.259
Bellana being appreciative.

809
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.799
This is a thing that he's saved up, like he's got a few of these

810
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:53.819
dried fruits.

811
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:55.259
He's saved it up.

812
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:57.480
She's appreciative, she thinks he shouldn't do it.

813
00:33:57.539 --> 00:33:59.640
You know, there's a warmth and humanity to this.

814
00:34:00.420 --> 00:34:05.460
It is a nice scene, but the food as presented, which looks like

815
00:34:05.579 --> 00:34:07.559
awful, which is odd, I think, too.

816
00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:08.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

817
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:08.940
Yeah.

818
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:12.780
I'm surprised Tom Paris even put one in his mouth if I'm honest.

819
00:34:12.900 --> 00:34:16.019
He eats it and he doesn't say something snarky and shitty.

820
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:18.659
That's a win, Voyager, isn't it?

821
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:19.199
Exactly.

822
00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:22.500
Yep, I agree What's happening now?

823
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.340
Yeah.

824
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:31.800
So a new ship has just appeared in the void and they're trying to

825
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:35.760
recruit him and Valen's trying to steal all of its stuff.

826
00:34:35.820 --> 00:34:39.960
And so, yeah, yeah, yeah.

827
00:34:40.380 --> 00:34:43.320
Yeah, I think this guy's a good antagonist.

828
00:34:43.380 --> 00:34:44.400
He's good, don't you?

829
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:45.539
I think he's...

830
00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:46.559
I love her line there.

831
00:34:46.619 --> 00:34:48.420
Just some people in a bad situation.

832
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:49.440
Like the rest of us.

833
00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:51.059
That is a good line.

834
00:34:51.179 --> 00:34:52.800
I've been practising my mom.

835
00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:53.400
How am I doing?

836
00:34:53.460 --> 00:34:54.599
You're doing well.

837
00:34:54.659 --> 00:34:55.199
Thank you.

838
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:56.579
Better than I do, though.

839
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:57.840
Oh here they are.

840
00:34:57.900 --> 00:34:58.920
I love that.

841
00:34:58.980 --> 00:35:02.219
They look they look so like the Santaras from Doctor Who, don't

842
00:35:02.219 --> 00:35:02.340
they?

843
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:03.360
Yeah, don't they?

844
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:07.860
That's really nice because they 1st turned up in night.

845
00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:12.239
Another very dark episode, as we've already mentioned, deliberately

846
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:12.599
so.

847
00:35:12.659 --> 00:35:15.900
And then they're in the Juggernail, at the end of five, they're in

848
00:35:15.900 --> 00:35:19.980
Tinker Tenor, Doctor Spy, and six, and then in this, in seven.

849
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.619
So we can only assume Mailon space is quite large.

850
00:35:22.860 --> 00:35:24.900
They travel quite a lot.

851
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:26.880
Well, they're scientists, aren't they?

852
00:35:26.940 --> 00:35:31.440
So maybe like the Federation, they just go out to all regions of

853
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:32.219
the Delta Quadrant.

854
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:35.460
I thought that their thing was that they had a really garbagey

855
00:35:35.460 --> 00:35:37.739
warp drive that polluted everything that it went through.

856
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:39.780
They saw abandoned that now.

857
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:40.800
It suited one episode.

858
00:35:40.860 --> 00:35:42.119
Right, okay.

859
00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:46.980
But they do look quirky.

860
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:47.820
I do like that.

861
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:55.019
I'm glad it's great to see a female cast member just be pregnant

862
00:35:55.019 --> 00:35:56.460
on Voyager.

863
00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:58.440
I know that we've had it on Deep Space 9.

864
00:35:58.500 --> 00:36:02.280
Um, And is she pregnant twice during the run of the show?

865
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.260
Well, that they're high.

866
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:05.940
She's behind one of them.

867
00:36:05.940 --> 00:36:09.360
And she's doing the Goth McFadden thing of being behind console.

868
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:11.400
And she's not really pregnant now or is she?

869
00:36:11.460 --> 00:36:12.420
She's not really pregnant.

870
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:13.679
It's just her and Tommy.

871
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:15.179
No, they've gone the other way, yeah.

872
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:16.199
She only have one kid.

873
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.519
She's fake pregnant here.

874
00:36:20.579 --> 00:36:24.300
Nothing will ever be in the darkness and the light when Kira

875
00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:25.739
literally about to pop.

876
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:29.400
She's enormous, goes into the corridor and beats the shit out of

877
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:32.760
the man in the corridor. heavily pregnant.

878
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:37.739
So these guys joining them, which is kind of great. is joining

879
00:36:37.739 --> 00:36:37.980
them.

880
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.659
So Janeway's methods are bearing fruit.

881
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:48.119
Yeah, and like he's seen her try and rescue the new guy who's just

882
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:49.980
arrived in the void.

883
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.260
How many ships on there now?

884
00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:53.280
In a little coalition.

885
00:36:53.340 --> 00:36:55.199
I can't really see them Maybe.

886
00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:00.179
One, two, three. is really bad, isn't it?

887
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:01.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

888
00:37:01.739 --> 00:37:02.460
Yeah.

889
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:06.360
I shouldn't have to work this hard to understand a simple thing

890
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:07.980
like ships travelling together.

891
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:15.599
Now, I love this scene, and this guy is a solid, like, 9.9.

892
00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:17.159
He's virtually...

893
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:17.639
Oh, you say that?

894
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:18.239
Oh, I would share.

895
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:19.739
The Beaumar scale.

896
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:20.880
He's really bad.

897
00:37:20.940 --> 00:37:27.719
He looks like a turkey. don't you think He looks very like very

898
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:31.320
like the alien that comes onto DS9 to kill Quark because he spent

899
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:34.320
loads of time in prison because he's got the same sort of ridge

900
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:38.760
going down the middle of his head, but that alien. joined up the

901
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:39.599
mouth and the nose.

902
00:37:39.780 --> 00:37:43.440
Whereas here they've cut a hole in between the 2 so he can eat

903
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:43.679
something.

904
00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:45.960
But I think he looks like a turkey.

905
00:37:46.019 --> 00:37:48.659
Like, in profile, he looks like a turkey.

906
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:52.559
There was that line about there was that line about vultures in

907
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:53.579
the previous episode.

908
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:55.380
And so this guy's horrible.

909
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:59.760
I would see this conversation too, where Tuvok has a conversation

910
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.639
with Fantomi and the doctor, which I think is really nice.

911
00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:06.780
I like Fanti Ray... hiding behind the doctor, you know, he's

912
00:38:06.780 --> 00:38:07.320
learned to trust him.

913
00:38:07.380 --> 00:38:09.539
So there's a lot of action.

914
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:11.400
There's a lot of activity happening on the ship.

915
00:38:11.460 --> 00:38:13.800
There's new people. meeting new people, they're joining

916
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:14.280
alliances.

917
00:38:14.340 --> 00:38:18.420
Yeah, you don't feel going on. shortchanged in sort of alien races

918
00:38:18.420 --> 00:38:19.139
and things, do you?

919
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.199
But Voyager could always have been like this.

920
00:38:22.260 --> 00:38:25.079
You know, it could always have been a place that reached out and

921
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:28.199
brought people together and things that could have been its role.

922
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.139
Now you've got all these different, right?

923
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:34.139
3 different races as well as our crew on Voyager now?

924
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:34.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

925
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:36.900
That's really quite excited.

926
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.719
He looks...

927
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:42.599
It's the same makeup as that man who came after Quark.

928
00:38:42.659 --> 00:38:43.320
I'm telling you.

929
00:38:43.380 --> 00:38:44.639
Did he have the bad hair?

930
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:46.679
Oh, he's got gray hair.

931
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:47.760
Oh, no.

932
00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:49.920
It's like gobble, gobble, gobble.

933
00:38:49.980 --> 00:38:51.119
Yeah, he is.

934
00:38:51.179 --> 00:38:52.139
He's a fucking turkey.

935
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:53.219
It's amazing.

936
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.300
Maybe this was the one where Kmart grew where this fella came on

937
00:38:57.300 --> 00:39:00.000
the set, all right, and I tried very hard to keep it together when

938
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:03.000
I had scenes with him, but...

939
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:03.659
What's a lie?

940
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:04.500
They were testing me.

941
00:39:07.860 --> 00:39:10.679
Oh, now she's clinching.

942
00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:13.260
She's flinching in the face of that.

943
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:14.400
She's fucking hero.

944
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:19.500
I think Michael Westmore's going, do you know what?

945
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:23.219
We are going to have much Charles to do aliens in Enterprise, so

946
00:39:23.219 --> 00:39:26.340
let's just go to town in the last few episodes of Forager.

947
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:31.500
Please order in 5 times as much latex as usual. you very much.

948
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.440
Fuzzy hair is really upsetting as well.

949
00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:36.599
Like it's he's just awful.

950
00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:39.539
You do look at some Star Trek aliens and just wonder, how did this

951
00:39:39.539 --> 00:39:40.019
evolve?

952
00:39:40.139 --> 00:39:41.940
No, no, no.

953
00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:44.340
It's Mike Westmore.

954
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.860
Never goes to me at all.

955
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:48.360
But he's clearly a bird.

956
00:39:48.420 --> 00:39:50.699
Leg isn't got a beak or whatever.

957
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.880
Okay, so it looks like she's got a few more ships in her coalition

958
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:54.119
now.

959
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:57.300
And it's nice that we cut back to that, though, isn't it, to show

960
00:39:57.300 --> 00:39:58.980
that the...

961
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.500
And this guy's working with them.

962
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:06.119
See, the alliance or the Federation, the alliance, the alliance.

963
00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:09.840
So I like this as well.

964
00:40:09.900 --> 00:40:11.639
I think this is really good.

965
00:40:11.699 --> 00:40:15.000
Um, and it's a costly decision that she makes because some people

966
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:20.039
lose their shit and in fact, um, the turkey guy, whose name is

967
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:25.260
Basal, uh, goes off to join Valen, uh, to be their sort of

968
00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:28.079
antagonists and Janeway has a great line about that.

969
00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:32.460
Oh, meanwhile, the maelon are spying on them from astrometrics.

970
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.980
So if you said, it feels like lots is happening, you know?

971
00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:37.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. like the price.

972
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:41.400
Remember the price when the Enterprise is hosting all of those

973
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:43.500
different people, including the Ferengian stuff?

974
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.440
Like it just, they feel like part of something.

975
00:40:46.500 --> 00:40:48.239
It's fun, you know?

976
00:40:48.300 --> 00:40:50.159
There's activity.

977
00:40:50.219 --> 00:40:52.739
But then they are spoying, but then they figure out an important

978
00:40:52.739 --> 00:40:53.760
plot point, don't they?

979
00:40:53.820 --> 00:40:55.199
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. right.

980
00:40:55.260 --> 00:40:56.099
They resolve a thing.

981
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.559
I think it's really good I remember sort of getting to about 4

982
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:01.260
minutes before the end, and they're still in the void, and I'm

983
00:41:01.260 --> 00:41:03.900
going, how the fuck are they going to wrap this up in 4 minutes?

984
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:07.920
And then you realise it's Fantomi and his people that actually

985
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:09.659
solve the problem.

986
00:41:09.659 --> 00:41:14.039
And then just being kind to them is what's actually the real

987
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:14.579
solution.

988
00:41:14.699 --> 00:41:16.019
So Janeway was right.

989
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:17.519
Of course she was.

990
00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:20.400
So here's the thing that you're embarrassed.

991
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.119
So the camera's sort of dancing around them, and there are all

992
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:28.079
sort of playing their little pazs, going...

993
00:41:28.139 --> 00:41:29.519
I think the music is good.

994
00:41:29.579 --> 00:41:30.960
Like, it's really strange.

995
00:41:31.019 --> 00:41:33.239
So this is Jay Chattaway.

996
00:41:33.300 --> 00:41:37.380
And I actually noticed the music for once in this episode and as I

997
00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:39.900
was watching it just this afternoon for the 2nd time.

998
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.800
Like the battle sequence music was much more ominous and odd.

999
00:41:43.860 --> 00:41:45.599
It was different from what we normally get.

1000
00:41:45.659 --> 00:41:48.840
And that's what Jay Chataway brought to the show when he joined

1001
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:49.739
TNG.

1002
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:53.340
I received a message in a somewhat baffling tone from Nathan

1003
00:41:53.340 --> 00:41:57.480
saying, is it my imagination or is the music really quite good in

1004
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:57.780
this?

1005
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.719
I didn't notice it at all, though, I've got to be honest.

1006
00:42:00.780 --> 00:42:06.840
Well, we're about to have a montage coming up, and the montage is

1007
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.480
set to the music that these guys are making.

1008
00:42:09.539 --> 00:42:13.739
Like a better more orchestral voyager version of the music that

1009
00:42:13.739 --> 00:42:14.760
these guys are doing.

1010
00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:15.480
I thought that was great.

1011
00:42:15.539 --> 00:42:19.019
We needed that montage for the climax to make sense.

1012
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:21.360
We needed to see all these preparations happening.

1013
00:42:21.420 --> 00:42:23.039
Yeah, yeah.

1014
00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:26.760
Sometimes a montage on Voyager can be really terrible.

1015
00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:30.360
Do you remember the montage of Chewvoc on all of those people that

1016
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.280
are behaving badly running around the ship?

1017
00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:34.559
Oh my god, a training montage.

1018
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.940
They're all in tank tops. is terrible.

1019
00:42:39.059 --> 00:42:42.659
No, so this is a preparation montage that we're going to get in a

1020
00:42:42.659 --> 00:42:42.960
minute.

1021
00:42:43.019 --> 00:42:45.840
So, yeah, this scene is really great.

1022
00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:48.900
Now we have a Polaron modulator, which, you know, I don't know why

1023
00:42:48.900 --> 00:42:50.039
you wouldn't have one lying around.

1024
00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:53.639
I've got 3 or 4 now I can see is makeup and close up there, look.

1025
00:42:53.699 --> 00:42:55.260
He's standing right in front of a light.

1026
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:56.820
Yeah, he's a bird.

1027
00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:57.300
Look at him.

1028
00:42:57.539 --> 00:43:03.480
Yeah, so, and so he's got the Polaron modulator by killing, by

1029
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:07.920
like, destroying a ship, by killing a, you know, the crew members

1030
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:09.900
and taking their Polaron modulator.

1031
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:11.579
And so she says, we're not using it.

1032
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.400
You know, you go, we're not going to use it.

1033
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.099
And I'll confess something to you.

1034
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:18.420
You thought that was crazy.

1035
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:22.260
No, no, when you say things like polar on modulator, I'll get a

1036
00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:23.760
little bit hard. honest.

1037
00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:27.539
I'm just here to hear you tell me what the ships are, what the

1038
00:43:27.539 --> 00:43:28.980
technobabble is. babble.

1039
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:29.639
Yeah, yeah.

1040
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.760
I'd say Mistress B. R. as well.

1041
00:43:32.820 --> 00:43:33.780
That's my new favourite.

1042
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:41.159
Yeah, so this does seem like a kind of virtue signalling thing.

1043
00:43:41.219 --> 00:43:42.179
Like, why are we doing that?

1044
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.000
We've got the Polaron modulator not using it.

1045
00:43:45.059 --> 00:43:46.619
Isn't going to bring that crew back.

1046
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:48.119
So what are we going to do?

1047
00:43:48.179 --> 00:43:49.800
And I think she's right.

1048
00:43:49.860 --> 00:43:51.179
She does the right thing.

1049
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:52.920
It's about our reputation.

1050
00:43:52.980 --> 00:43:56.579
The only reason that people join the alliance is because they

1051
00:43:56.579 --> 00:43:58.199
think we're going to do the right thing.

1052
00:43:58.260 --> 00:43:59.880
And that does pay off.

1053
00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:00.960
And I do think you're right.

1054
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.019
And I do think it was the right direction for the episode to take

1055
00:44:04.019 --> 00:44:05.820
because it's a Star Trek episode.

1056
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:07.440
So it should be about doing the right thing.

1057
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:11.039
I just don't think in real life any of this would pay off.

1058
00:44:11.099 --> 00:44:14.039
I don't believe it. think it does.

1059
00:44:14.219 --> 00:44:16.500
It does because it's in this episode.

1060
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:18.599
Star Trek and we're in an optimistic show.

1061
00:44:18.659 --> 00:44:22.559
But I think that people don't have to compete.

1062
00:44:22.619 --> 00:44:24.360
I think people can cooperate.

1063
00:44:24.420 --> 00:44:25.800
I think we do it all the time.

1064
00:44:25.860 --> 00:44:29.760
But I think people want to rip on another off all the time.

1065
00:44:29.820 --> 00:44:33.840
No, but I think the majority probably are more selfish than that.

1066
00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:37.739
That's why, like, the DS9 approach. you know, that's it's not an

1067
00:44:37.739 --> 00:44:38.159
approach.

1068
00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:42.420
I mean, the, the, you know, the thing that that dumb Star Trek is

1069
00:44:42.420 --> 00:44:44.400
4 is to show us that we can be better.

1070
00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:45.539
Absolutely.

1071
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:46.440
Yeah, yeah.

1072
00:44:46.500 --> 00:44:49.500
But then does it all feel a bit simplistic or just being nice has

1073
00:44:49.500 --> 00:44:51.960
allowed us to escape this horrible thing?

1074
00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:55.500
Yeah, but it isn't just being nice because, you know, they've

1075
00:44:55.500 --> 00:44:58.739
helped people, they've exchanged technology, you know, there's

1076
00:44:58.739 --> 00:45:02.039
that line where Neelix says we can now feed 500 people a day on

1077
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:05.340
half of the, and that's three, you know, that's the crew, isn't

1078
00:45:05.340 --> 00:45:05.519
it?

1079
00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:06.480
More than the crew.

1080
00:45:06.539 --> 00:45:13.079
Um, we can feed 500 people a day on, on, um, you know, half the

1081
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:14.460
power.

1082
00:45:15.059 --> 00:45:15.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1083
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:17.280
Like all of that stuff makes sense.

1084
00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:20.219
You know, they can work together and that's how they get out.

1085
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:23.400
The line that shocked me the most was when they said at the end

1086
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.579
we're only 30,000 light years away from earth.

1087
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:29.219
I like bloody hell, you've covered some ground. for a gift and

1088
00:45:29.219 --> 00:45:30.300
various other things.

1089
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:35.820
I love this line from Janeway, um, where they've, so now this is

1090
00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:42.300
um, this is Basal, the stupid fucking turkey and Balen, and we go

1091
00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:46.019
we'll take Georgia's food and weapons, and she kind of, if we work

1092
00:45:46.019 --> 00:45:49.260
together and she goes, oh, you know, thank goodness we taught them

1093
00:45:49.260 --> 00:45:50.760
the value of corporate.

1094
00:45:51.780 --> 00:45:54.599
I'm so glad.

1095
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:56.219
I suppose that's a bit of payoff for me then.

1096
00:45:56.280 --> 00:46:00.239
The cynical side of me, but actually some people are just are out

1097
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:00.719
for themselves.

1098
00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:07.019
That's so much fun But yes, and then this, you know, just the

1099
00:46:07.019 --> 00:46:12.480
kindness and the reaching out and the, and, you know, the, you

1100
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.780
know, Voyager gives them asylum from Basal's ship. there's more

1101
00:46:15.780 --> 00:46:16.380
than one of them.

1102
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.900
They're the ones that are plaguing bassaars.

1103
00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:21.480
Oh, she goes, if you want to get rid of your firm in, then send

1104
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:22.500
them all this away.

1105
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.679
And that's what saves the day.

1106
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:27.420
Yeah.

1107
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:29.820
I mean you know, I don't know.

1108
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:34.559
It might have been nice if like Valen at least had got through

1109
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.739
with them and had perhaps learned something.

1110
00:46:37.860 --> 00:46:40.860
But, you know, the way it ends is fine as well.

1111
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.420
If you don't, if you're not kind, you do not escape, if you are

1112
00:46:45.420 --> 00:46:45.900
you do.

1113
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:48.599
Yeah, that's that's the sort of information this.

1114
00:46:48.659 --> 00:46:49.679
That's fair enough.

1115
00:46:49.739 --> 00:46:50.340
Do you know what I mean?

1116
00:46:50.460 --> 00:46:53.400
Like that's what it wants to say if you compete and you you betray

1117
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:57.719
people and you attack them and you do whatever you have to do to

1118
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:00.420
you know, prosper, he's out.

1119
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:01.440
I thought this was quite...

1120
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:02.880
Yeah, quite a languid montage.

1121
00:47:02.940 --> 00:47:05.219
Actually, the way it fades from one scene to another quite

1122
00:47:05.219 --> 00:47:06.059
laboriously.

1123
00:47:06.179 --> 00:47:10.139
The music actually as well is sort of fairly languid. urgent or

1124
00:47:10.139 --> 00:47:10.380
anything.

1125
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:12.900
I'm not quite sure why we have the montage.

1126
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.659
A little bit astonished, though, this doesn't feel rushed.

1127
00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:17.519
Given everything it accomplishes.

1128
00:47:17.579 --> 00:47:18.659
It's really good.

1129
00:47:18.780 --> 00:47:19.860
I think it's not bad.

1130
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:24.420
It's almost like the, you know, he's had this idea and he's like

1131
00:47:24.420 --> 00:47:25.199
well, how do I pace this?

1132
00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:27.780
How do I pay this so it all makes sense and it all pays off

1133
00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:28.619
satisfactorily?

1134
00:47:28.739 --> 00:47:30.119
Yeah.

1135
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:34.199
But like a lot a lot of Voyager episodes with halfway decent

1136
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:34.739
premises.

1137
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:38.159
I don't know, they just have extended dialogue scenes.

1138
00:47:38.219 --> 00:47:41.519
They feel really, I don't know, slow.

1139
00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:44.400
A lot of thought, a lot of voyager feels like. has a lot of

1140
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:47.400
incidents, so it just feels like it, it goes by like a lick.

1141
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.099
Okay, we're ready to go.

1142
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:51.119
It's about something.

1143
00:47:51.179 --> 00:47:52.500
It's so refreshing.

1144
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.679
This was the point now. 4 minutes and 27 seconds from the end.

1145
00:47:55.739 --> 00:47:58.380
I was like, we're still not out of the boy, Jeff.

1146
00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:02.820
So I pretty much knew it was going to be get out of the void, blow

1147
00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:03.360
them a kiss.

1148
00:48:03.420 --> 00:48:03.780
Goodbye.

1149
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:05.400
Yeah.

1150
00:48:05.460 --> 00:48:07.019
Thanks for the alliance.

1151
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:07.679
It's been fun.

1152
00:48:07.739 --> 00:48:09.659
We'll never see you again.

1153
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:12.840
Actually, a bit of a shame because Garren says, yeah, sorry, we're

1154
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.079
going in the other direction, which is a bit of shame.

1155
00:48:16.139 --> 00:48:16.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1156
00:48:16.860 --> 00:48:19.440
And will never mention them again.

1157
00:48:19.500 --> 00:48:24.599
No, no, but we have learned a valuable lesson about what Voyager

1158
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:29.280
could have been doing all along, and we've learned that it would

1159
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.199
have worked as television.

1160
00:48:31.260 --> 00:48:35.219
And, you know, instead they shy away from any sense of scarcity

1161
00:48:35.219 --> 00:48:41.219
and they, you know, they make them reach for their phases and

1162
00:48:41.219 --> 00:48:43.199
things just far too readily, I think.

1163
00:48:43.260 --> 00:48:47.039
So the lesson we've really learned from this is that Voyage is a

1164
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:48.960
big fat failure as a television show.

1165
00:48:49.019 --> 00:48:51.480
With regards to its potential.

1166
00:48:51.539 --> 00:48:52.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1167
00:48:52.980 --> 00:48:57.360
This shows us a more interesting route that we could have taken in

1168
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:03.000
something that is very, very clearly intended to be a microcosm of

1169
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:03.539
the show.

1170
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:07.440
You know, here we are in a situation, which is like the situation

1171
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.960
where you find ourselves in at the end of the caretaker.

1172
00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:13.380
It is kind of frustrating though, isn't it?

1173
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:14.460
Yeah, yeah.

1174
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:20.280
Yeah, I just don't think Berman is interested in Star Trek's kind

1175
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.579
of moral vision at all, and he just wants to tell stories about

1176
00:49:23.579 --> 00:49:29.159
spaceships and phaser phaser fights and stuff like that. that's a

1177
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:29.400
shame.

1178
00:49:29.460 --> 00:49:33.960
Is there a loin in this about, um, you know, keeping power to the

1179
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:36.480
weapons because they seem to be able to far off a lot of shots

1180
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:37.739
when they're conserving their power.

1181
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.860
Did you notice throughout the whole episode they've been far in

1182
00:49:40.860 --> 00:49:41.340
the phases?

1183
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:43.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1184
00:49:43.139 --> 00:49:43.380
Yeah.

1185
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:44.219
Yeah.

1186
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.159
Well, I suppose if you're in a hostile region of space.

1187
00:49:47.219 --> 00:49:49.260
That is where your energy should be going.

1188
00:49:49.260 --> 00:49:50.159
To protect yourselves.

1189
00:49:50.219 --> 00:49:51.179
Yeah.

1190
00:49:51.179 --> 00:49:55.440
Yeah, they're sort of, again, it's a moral void, isn't it?

1191
00:49:55.500 --> 00:49:59.760
They have to, they have to be beware of being under attack all the

1192
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:00.000
time.

1193
00:50:00.059 --> 00:50:00.539
Here we go.

1194
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:04.500
I think we know now 2 minutes and 16 seconds before the end of the

1195
00:50:04.500 --> 00:50:05.940
episode that they're probably going to escape.

1196
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:07.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1197
00:50:07.619 --> 00:50:09.000
There's not really much time for anything else.

1198
00:50:09.059 --> 00:50:09.599
Is there?

1199
00:50:09.659 --> 00:50:11.760
Wahashi's sign the ships.

1200
00:50:11.820 --> 00:50:13.739
That old ship looks like a pineapple.

1201
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:18.420
So 2 of the ships have gone, so we only have 4 or 5 ships because

1202
00:50:18.420 --> 00:50:20.340
2 of them were disgusted.

1203
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:21.960
You would have just warped off straight.

1204
00:50:22.019 --> 00:50:22.800
See you.

1205
00:50:22.860 --> 00:50:23.639
See you both.

1206
00:50:23.699 --> 00:50:25.139
Oh, thanks for the help.

1207
00:50:25.500 --> 00:50:28.739
No, but we're still going to say goodbye to the mail on.

1208
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:29.940
Of course we are.

1209
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:33.239
I wish they'd kept a mail on on the ship, you know.

1210
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:35.760
Can I stay?

1211
00:50:35.820 --> 00:50:37.559
You only got half a season left.

1212
00:50:37.619 --> 00:50:40.679
I think it's possible that the actor playing Karen is actually

1213
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:43.440
really good looking and they've just fucked him up by putting this

1214
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:45.719
stupid makeup on him. you think?

1215
00:50:45.780 --> 00:50:46.920
We know that's the case.

1216
00:50:46.980 --> 00:50:48.000
Casey Peaks, you know?

1217
00:50:48.059 --> 00:50:50.400
We know that is the case with a lot of actors.

1218
00:50:50.460 --> 00:50:51.000
That's a man.

1219
00:50:51.059 --> 00:50:51.840
It's a man.

1220
00:50:51.900 --> 00:50:56.280
I mean, Markalemo doesn't even need to wear the makeup. he still

1221
00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:56.880
looks scary.

1222
00:50:56.940 --> 00:51:00.780
That's exactly right Okay, the real Federation's just 30,000 light

1223
00:51:00.780 --> 00:51:01.199
years away.

1224
00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:01.739
Off we go.

1225
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:02.340
What are we saying?

1226
00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:04.800
What are we standing around for, message, Code 8?

1227
00:51:04.860 --> 00:51:05.219
Let's go.

1228
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:06.659
So great.

1229
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:10.079
And we all learned our lesson the end.

1230
00:51:10.139 --> 00:51:11.519
They all go off.

1231
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:14.159
Why does we not get the scene?

1232
00:51:14.219 --> 00:51:17.340
Now, forger is usually quite good at this in these sort of moral

1233
00:51:17.340 --> 00:51:21.659
dilemma episodes of saying, you know, I was right all along and

1234
00:51:21.659 --> 00:51:22.320
you was wrong.

1235
00:51:22.380 --> 00:51:23.940
But we didn't do none of that at the end of this.

1236
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:24.659
There wasn't time.

1237
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:28.079
Yeah, and I'm glad that we didn't because those things are tedious

1238
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:28.320
too.

1239
00:51:28.380 --> 00:51:31.619
Shit, Nathan, workforce part one has just started with that

1240
00:51:31.619 --> 00:51:35.699
amazing train going across the city skates. and you go right

1241
00:51:35.699 --> 00:51:37.980
through scaffolding and then into live action.

1242
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:39.239
It's amazing.

1243
00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:43.380
Yeah, I remember that shot. light on the screen.

1244
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:44.820
Yeah.

1245
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:47.940
I have fond memories of work for us, actually.

1246
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:49.800
I remember... yeah, yeah.

1247
00:51:49.860 --> 00:51:54.360
It gives Kate Mulgrew a childhood in the last season to actually

1248
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:56.820
play something a bit different and have a romance, which is

1249
00:51:56.820 --> 00:51:57.059
lovely.

1250
00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.760
Yeah, it's a kind of lotus eeders thing, isn't it?

1251
00:51:59.820 --> 00:52:02.159
It's kind of like, well, we have a life and it kind of works here

1252
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:03.840
and so why are we trying to get home?

1253
00:52:03.900 --> 00:52:06.480
It is a little bit like the lotus eaters at the beginning of the

1254
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:07.559
Odyssey.

1255
00:52:07.619 --> 00:52:11.460
It's actually enough episode of, we could have done more episodes

1256
00:52:11.460 --> 00:52:12.179
a bit like this.

1257
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:13.380
You know?

1258
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:17.340
For not starting on Established Voyager, starting in a situation.

1259
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.860
Yeah, that's always good, isn't it?

1260
00:52:19.980 --> 00:52:23.519
I'm wondering if I should revisit a bit more of season 7 of Star

1261
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:26.400
Trek Voyager because maybe they were just going, right, what

1262
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:27.059
haven't we done?

1263
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:28.019
Let's do it now.

1264
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:30.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe.

1265
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:32.039
No, there's some shit in there as well.

1266
00:52:33.420 --> 00:52:36.300
We've already watched lineage, if you remember.

1267
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:37.380
Yeah, that's true.

1268
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:37.860
That's true.

1269
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:43.800
And the conclusions they draw in endgame were passable at best.

1270
00:52:43.860 --> 00:52:45.480
Yes, I think that's fair.

1271
00:52:45.539 --> 00:52:51.300
But that, that as a lesson in what Star Trek should be about, how

1272
00:52:51.300 --> 00:52:56.880
to place an episode and to explore for 45 minutes what this

1273
00:52:56.880 --> 00:53:00.599
fucking show should have been about from the start, I think it's a

1274
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:00.960
success.

1275
00:53:01.019 --> 00:53:03.119
Yeah, I think that worked really well.

1276
00:53:03.179 --> 00:53:04.980
I was surprised by how much I liked it.

1277
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:06.900
I thought it was really, really enjoyable.

1278
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.179
I just wish they'd turned the lights on.

1279
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:10.019
Yeah.

1280
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:19.619
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to

1281
00:53:19.619 --> 00:53:22.440
work out what we are going to watch next time.

1282
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:26.639
This was a good episode of Star Trek, which means that you rolled

1283
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:31.559
at Joe, and it's time for me to roll a bad episode of Star Trek.

1284
00:53:31.619 --> 00:53:33.000
Right.

1285
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:41.820
So I am going to include my 2 least favourite versions of Star

1286
00:53:41.820 --> 00:53:45.659
Trek, my 2 least favourite series, and they are Star Trek, the

1287
00:53:45.659 --> 00:53:49.619
animated series and Star Trek Enterprise, inevitably.

1288
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.920
We can almost guarantee we'll get something terrible then.

1289
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:54.000
Okay, good.

1290
00:53:54.059 --> 00:53:54.539
All right.

1291
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:56.340
I am going to press the button.

1292
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:58.980
You love putting enterprise in, don't you?

1293
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:00.179
It's an obsession of yours.

1294
00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:02.099
What about this one?

1295
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:08.760
So this is season three, episode 16, which is not very far away

1296
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:13.139
from where we've been reasonably recently. doctor's orders.

1297
00:54:13.260 --> 00:54:16.380
Oh, it's a flux episode.

1298
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:17.039
Of course it is.

1299
00:54:17.099 --> 00:54:21.059
It's sort of the inferior version of the season one flux episode

1300
00:54:21.059 --> 00:54:23.579
that they did, but it's a flux episode.

1301
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:25.260
So it's very watchable.

1302
00:54:25.380 --> 00:54:28.559
I kind of don't want to cut short the rolling process quite so

1303
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:29.159
early though.

1304
00:54:29.219 --> 00:54:30.960
Okay, let's keep going.

1305
00:54:31.019 --> 00:54:31.860
Let's do another one.

1306
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:35.940
Oh, season 3 of Enterprise again.

1307
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:39.179
Season three, episode seven, the shipment.

1308
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:42.059
Sounds riveting, doesn't it?

1309
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:43.139
No, I probably should again.

1310
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:43.920
All right.

1311
00:54:43.980 --> 00:54:45.960
Could you get us out of season three, please?

1312
00:54:46.019 --> 00:54:51.900
Yeah, probably, but not before we get to your random Star Trek, the

1313
00:54:51.900 --> 00:54:57.780
animated series, the magics of Megas 2, season one, episode eight

1314
00:54:57.780 --> 00:55:01.019
which could be absolutely fucking anything, couldn't it?

1315
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:03.360
The magics of megas 2.

1316
00:55:03.539 --> 00:55:07.619
That is amazing. magics with a K, can I just say?

1317
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:11.159
I'm half tempted, you know.

1318
00:55:11.219 --> 00:55:15.239
So he's his jammer's summary of it.

1319
00:55:15.300 --> 00:55:18.840
The Enterprise travels to the centre of the galaxy where they find

1320
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:23.280
the known laws of reality no longer apply and are instead governed

1321
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:27.480
by magical beings, and I want you to guess how many stars Jammer

1322
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:27.840
gives it.

1323
00:55:27.900 --> 00:55:30.960
Oh, half half a star?

1324
00:55:31.019 --> 00:55:31.679
One.

1325
00:55:31.739 --> 00:55:32.760
He gives it one star.

1326
00:55:32.820 --> 00:55:34.019
Oh, let's watch it then.

1327
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:34.380
Come on.

1328
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:38.340
If he hates it, it's bound to be watchable.

1329
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:39.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1330
00:55:39.780 --> 00:55:43.679
No, he does have a, you know, jam is very literal and he there's

1331
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:45.599
certain things that he likes Star Trek to be.

1332
00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:49.079
He quite liked the last one we did, didn't he?

1333
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:52.079
Remember when we were in that weird region of space where space

1334
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:53.400
was white and stars were black.

1335
00:55:53.460 --> 00:55:57.360
Yeah, yeah, he didn't mind that one. always worth mentioning, I

1336
00:55:57.360 --> 00:55:59.519
think, that he gave Bem 2.5 stars out of four.

1337
00:55:59.579 --> 00:56:04.079
So, um, but I think the magics of Megas 2 sounds absolutely

1338
00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:08.940
magnificent and uh, I'm willing to go to the very centre of the

1339
00:56:08.940 --> 00:56:12.239
galaxy long before Star Trek 5 was even dreamed of.

1340
00:56:12.300 --> 00:56:15.599
There's something I will say about the animated series, right?

1341
00:56:15.659 --> 00:56:16.980
I mean, it's usually Drek.

1342
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:19.860
But boy, oh boy, can they put a title on these episodes?

1343
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:22.320
The counterclock incident?

1344
00:56:22.380 --> 00:56:24.659
The magics of Megas 2, you know?

1345
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:26.460
Do you know what?

1346
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:30.780
The 1st one that we ever did was called the time trap.

1347
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:34.139
And you remember that it had more or less the same premises, the

1348
00:56:34.139 --> 00:56:34.800
void?

1349
00:56:34.860 --> 00:56:40.260
You know, they're all stuck in a region of space and no one can

1350
00:56:40.260 --> 00:56:40.739
escape.

1351
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:45.059
I think the void would have been improved immeasurably if we'd had

1352
00:56:45.059 --> 00:56:48.480
a scene where Jway had to run through the ship with a bomb and put

1353
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:49.980
it out the ejector plane.

1354
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:51.719
Like Spock did in that episode.

1355
00:56:51.780 --> 00:56:55.019
Or if they'd been a lady with no nose in it, that would have been

1356
00:56:55.019 --> 00:56:55.559
great as well.

1357
00:56:55.619 --> 00:56:58.199
No, no, she only appears in that one.

1358
00:56:58.260 --> 00:56:59.340
Yeah, okay.

1359
00:56:59.400 --> 00:56:59.760
All right.

1360
00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:01.440
The magic's a...

1361
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:02.699
God's sake, God help us.

1362
00:57:09.420 --> 00:57:13.260
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1363
00:57:13.260 --> 00:57:17.039
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project

1364
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:19.380
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1365
00:57:19.380 --> 00:57:20.340
media accounts.

1366
00:57:20.340 --> 00:57:23.880
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1367
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:25.380
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1368
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:29.760
This episode was recorded on the 25th of June 2024 and released on

1369
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:30.480
the 5th of July.

1370
00:57:30.539 --> 00:57:34.320
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the animated series, the

1371
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:35.760
magics of Megas 2.

1372
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:56.519
Two recordings.

1373
00:57:56.579 --> 00:57:58.860
I only just have one, just in case I want to listen to it before

1374
00:57:58.860 --> 00:58:00.360
the finished result comes out.

1375
00:58:00.420 --> 00:58:01.679
Now we're ahead.

1376
00:58:01.739 --> 00:58:04.260
I have to wait quite a bit to hear these back again, you know, so.

1377
00:58:04.260 --> 00:58:05.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1378
00:58:05.579 --> 00:58:07.380
Although Angel one's finished.

1379
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.900
So I have to finish this one tonight.

1380
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:13.619
Otherwise I won't get the chance to not tonight, tomorrow night

1381
00:58:13.619 --> 00:58:14.280
tomorrow night.

1382
00:58:14.340 --> 00:58:15.360
So will we have a gap?

1383
00:58:15.420 --> 00:58:16.679
Yeah, we'll have what, one week out then?

1384
00:58:16.739 --> 00:58:18.119
Yeah, yeah.

1385
00:58:18.179 --> 00:58:20.400
So you're away next week, are you?

1386
00:58:20.460 --> 00:58:25.440
Angel one comes out this Friday, and then the void comes out next

1387
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:29.280
Friday, and then there's a gap, and then we have to record when I

1388
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:29.639
get back.

1389
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:32.760
Well, let's try when you're back, let's try and do 2, and then

1390
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:36.300
we'll make up for I'll be on holidays too, for a week.

1391
00:58:36.900 --> 00:58:38.340
Still.

1392
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:39.960
Okay, I'm ready.

1393
00:58:40.019 --> 00:58:41.099
All right.

1394
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:45.420
Hey, Joe. Hi.