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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back in season seven of Voyager, which is very close to where we began on untitled Star Trek project, and this is season seven, episode 15, The Void.

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And it's an episode that we've talked about a little bit because it is for me, I think, at least, an episode about Voyager as a TV show more than anything else.

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I know that Voyager did not have a writer's room in the same way that DS9 did.

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DS 9.

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They all sat around.

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They were on a whiteboard and they were putting stories together and making a season.

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Now, I know that didn't happen with Voyager, but I like to think for this one week only that the Voyager writers all sat down and went, oh, we really fudged this, didn't we?

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I'll tell you what, let's write an episode about what this show could have been all along and put it out towards the end on a run because that's exactly what this is.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it's a show that seems to critique the approach that Voyager has taken.

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And, and, you know, like, I've joked a couple of times about Star Trek Voyager being Star Trek, the Next Generation, only more right wing.

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And part of the reason for that is that Voyager turns up in the Delta Quadrant and is immediately beset by alien adversaries.

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And throughout the run of the show, we get new aliens introduced from year to year, you know, we start with a Kazon and the Vedians, but we end up with things like the Hirogen and the Vardoir and the Melon and the Borg, and each time a new set of aliens is introduced, they're our enemies.

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You know, they're the people that we're fighting against.

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And so, we're as Star Trek, the next generation, was sometimes wordy and worthy and a bit boring because it was about negotiations and, and, you know, like embassy stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But it was about building and maintaining a federation and assisting people.

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And Voyager could always have been that in a more hostile and difficult space.

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It could always have been a show about forming alliances and assisting people.

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You know, like just the fact that voyages in the Delta Quadrant, there isn't a federation, there's no one to give them orders or send them on missions.

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That doesn't mean that they couldn't turn up at a planet which had a problem and help them.

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But overwhelmingly, Voyager is constantly raising shields and issuing threats and things like that.

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And we see that a bit here, it didn't need to be like that.

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They raised the issue in an episode we've already done in alliances where Janeway did start building bridges with races and trying to, you know, help them get over their conflict with each other and then it all blew up in her face and the conclusion she drew at the end of the episode is, well, fuck those people.

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We're not going to have any alliances with anybody.

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We'll cling on to the principles of the federation and just head for earth.

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And then we never spoke about it again until now.

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Yeah, and that's not really the principles of the Federation anyway.

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There's no federation principles.

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We said at the time when we rolled and watched that episode that that was a weird characterisation of what the Federation was about because the Federation was all about making alliances and coalitions and reaching out and forming relationships.

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And we don't really get that in forager, but we do get that here.

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But it leans into something that really irritates me about this show, and that is Janeway's inconsistency.

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Now, don't get me wrong, I think Kate Mulgar is a wonderful performer.

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She can do no wrong.

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But unfortunately, she can only say the words that she's given.

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And in alliances, she said, no, no alliances.

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And then the 2nd she's pushed into this very dark region of space, and I don't mean dark as in scary.

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I mean, dark as in dark.

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She goes, quick, we must make alliances with lots of people to try and pull our resources and get out of it.

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I want someone to say, excuse me?

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Do you not remember before when you lectured us all on the bridge and told us we weren't doing this sort of thing?

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Very, very strange.

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Yeah.

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I think she's not the only character who suffers from that sort of weird inconsistency even in this episode.

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But saying all of that.

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I do think the void is, it's not top tier Voyager, but it is an episode it's full of incident.

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It is grabbing hold of that idea of thrusting Voyager into a dangerous space and them having to cope with what is going on there.

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It manages to reach a conclusion within 45 minutes of how to do that in a way the show hasn't managed in 7 years.

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So bravo to what's the fella's name?

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Raff the writer.

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Raf Green.

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Bravo, Raf Green. you should have been showrunning the entire show.

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We would have got home a lot quicker.

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And weirdly enough, for us, episode has to do a lot.

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It has to establish this space, give us all these different aliens that are fighting each other and then do some surprising things with, um, you know, tricks and people beaming onto each other's ships and action and all of this.

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It doesn't feel rushed.

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I felt as if it had a nice measured pace.

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It had moments of conflict between characters on Voyager, which is always really nice.

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My only real complaint about this episode was I couldn't see much of it.

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Yeah.

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What's that, Nathan?

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I have to agree with you.

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I think this is a good solid episode of Voyager.

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It's not spectacular, and it does some things that I like a great deal, but fuck it looks miserable.

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It looks so dreary. doesn't it?

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It's really weird.

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I've never felt more like an old man watching the telly.

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I said to when I was sort of saying to my rough.

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I can't really see what's happening on the screen.

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So I turned the contrast from 50 to 100 and I could just about see people's outlines.

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I'm like, what are you thinking?

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It's bad.

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And just because it's dark.

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Like, some people, I think, found the lighting on board the Titan in Picard series 3, they found that a bit dark and a bit tiresome, but the secret was having a heap of black in the frame, but lighting people and lighting their faces, and having some visual interest, everything in this is so muddy.

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In fact, the one set that works is the bridge because there are things lit up behind them.

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But it doesn't help as well that all the sets on Voyager are great.

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You wait till we press play.

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All the aliens are either brown or gray.

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So that doesn't help.

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So there's no light coming from anywhere.

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There's no nothing's popping.

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It's so weird.

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I got halfway through this and I was like, you know what?

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This isn't a bad episode, but I really wanted to end.

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I want to watch something.

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That's gonna excite my eyeballs a little bit.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You know, like in a way, this does do the Star Trek thing that I always want Star Trek to do, which is to put weird things on screen.

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Um, but it certainly doesn't do impressive visuals at all.

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It looks really bad and really boring.

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But I think that is a big complaint because we are watching television. we do want to we do want to see nice things.

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That aside, you know, if I was jammer, I'd give this a healthy 3 stars and say this is a this is a good stab at showing what went wrong with the series. effort.

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I think we should watch this.

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What do you reckon?

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I think we should.

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Let me count us in.

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Five, 4, 32, one, and we're off.

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Okay, establishing Voyager Shop as usual.

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I think we're in CG now though.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So this scene's clearly here to kind of contrast with the scarcity that we get once we get into the void, so this is a lavish dinner cooked by seven.

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And I kind of like the surprise that it's 7 because we get, you know, my compliments to the chef and then everyone looks over to 7 and seven. 7 makes clear that the only way she can get decent food is to cook it herself.

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And Neelix kind of adorably goes, I should be insulted by that, but the food's too delicious.

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I mean, when you see what Neelix serves up later, I know things are pretty bad by that point, but it doesn't...

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It looks like they've got a sort of vol au vant case with a bit of beef jammed inside it.

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It doesn't look too lavish.

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No, no.

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Is it a sort of very modern beef Wellington?

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don't know.

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Yeah, it's your favourite thing though.

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Nathan, isn't it?

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Voyager banter.

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Yeah, it's what you come to the show for.

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But I mean, 7's doing the Voyager banter.

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It would be kind of nicer if the other actors were kind of being more scared.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, and certainly that line, but, you know, where Tom Paris is going, I need salt, and she says, I'll replicate you a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, you fucking Philistine.

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No, it's awesome.

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My favourite bit was Chester saying, could I have some of the Pinot Noir, please?

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And she goes, no, all the points have been perfectly paired by the courses.

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You get what you're given.

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You're ungrateful shit.

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And then look, and then they all go.

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I know.

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That happens twice this episode.

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But one of the things I think that this, this does is, you know, people talk about the fact that Voyagers in space, but we never get any sense of any scarcity, you know, there's the, you know, the replication.

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Every now and again.

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They'll lean on lean into it every now and again.

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Oh, we have to go and find some deuterium.

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We have to go to the planet and get some scrubs for Neelix Kitchen.

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Yeah, something like that, you know.

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It's not very clear how rare deuterium is, is it?

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Because in demon and course oblivion, it was impossible to find, but in the dialogue, this episode we get told it's absolutely everywhere.

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So.

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Well, sir, are you suggesting Voyager might be a little inconsistent with its details?

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Perhaps they should have a whiteboard in the writer's room.

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Maybe they should have a ride, is it?

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Now, we just went to the bridge there for a second, which is the least gray of our very gray sets, but it's still pretty gray.

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Yeah, so that, I think that that's the most successful set.

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Once they properly turn the lights out, because we just ended up in the void, you know, in this opening sequence, and the 1st thing that happens is we get fired on.

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And then we go back to Voyager and we start firing back immediately.

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And, you know, it just reminded me how different that approach is from Star Trek the Next Generation.

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We wouldn't automatically fire back.

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We could, we'd find some way of communicating, but we don't do that here and we generally don't do that on Voyager.

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I couldn't help but notice that the enormous orifice that sort of sucked us into the void was in fact gray as well.

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Yeah, it's boring.

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And then when we go through, there's not even gray.

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It's just black.

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There's not even stars.

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Now, what but why couldn't they have made it a dangerous region of space?

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You know, lots of rocks and asteroids and things.

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It just looked really interesting.

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I like the idea of the void, and obviously the title has something to do with a moral void that exists there as well.

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No one can afford to do the right thing.

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Yeah, yeah, don't you think?

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And the fact that it's scarcity because there's literally nothing.

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There's absolutely nothing.

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There's no resources.

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Whatever reserves you have on your ship.

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That's it.

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That's all that's being taken from one ship to another.

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That's why they're destroying each other, why they're all betraying each other.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's an interesting idea.

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Yeah, that's a good dramatic idea.

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Visually, however, it's absolutely disastrous.

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So bad.

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And because we can't see out the windows to see how dark it is. just turn all the fucking lights down on the ship.

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I mean, this is sort of standard red alert lighting, isn't it, for the bridge, do you think?

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I'm sorry to look like an old mound again.

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I'm like, what's happening on the bridge?

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I can't really see.

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There is at least some blue and red in the bridge.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm very happy. displays and stuff. and you can see people's faces.

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Do you know what?

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We should, no, actually, you and me, we should take a lesson from this, Nathan.

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Because we complained so much about those overlit bridge sets in TNG.

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Now they've turned all the lights off.

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We're still not happy.

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But, you know, the Titan is very dark in Picard series three, but it's not...

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I don't remember it being a problem, though.

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No, no.

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Yeah, no, no, I agree.

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No, you had a fabulous bar.

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Remember that bar they had the whole episode in where they were having the long dialogue too.

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And the bar was all lit up, so everyone was lit from below.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, beautiful.

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Uh-oh, all the supplies are being stolen.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is really great.

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I love that guy walking back from his computer terminal, which has completely disappeared.

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It's got to go, well, one of my favourite things about watching Voyager episodes is the Rando extras and their sort of dramatic reactions to things.

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Nothing will ever stop the woman beat the woman who goes, seal those doors.

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That's our one line and the whole thing.

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She's wonderful.

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Display shoes in.

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So apparently the only things they've got a value are on decks 57 and 8.

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The rest of the day.

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Yeah.

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Although engineering isn't on any of those decks, is it?

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No, oh, they could have stolen the warp core.

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No, they stole one of the terminals. anyway, so I don't quite know what's happening.

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Did they steal all the food?

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I can't remember.

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It said they said 90% of our food reserves went.

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Oh, that must be Neelix's, you know, vegetables grow real.

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The airplane is on the root.

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Yeah, that's awesome.

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When you're desperate, all right, Leona?

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It looks very enticing.

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But I mean, I think instead of telling, and I think that it is deliberate that we go straight to this red alert scene, see, this is normal lighting, isn't it?

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This is absolutely normal lighting.

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What do you think of this guy?

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So one of the things that we said last week was that we'd be doing lots of ratings on the Beaumar scale.

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Where do you think Valen comes on the bow mask?

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I mean, he's not ridiculous enough to be on the Beaumont scale, really?

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It's just sort of half sort of Cardassian, a little bit Jem Hadarish, and is, you know, just Matt Gray.

220
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Well, no, he's a bit shinier.

221
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Like he's actually shinier than a Cardassian.

222
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He's not the same colour as a Kardashian.

223
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He's a little bit bronze there in that light as well, a little bit brown and a bit shiny.

224
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And I, you know, this is an incredibly good performance.

225
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This guy has been in a bunch of stuff.

226
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He doesn't do any other Star Trek, but...

227
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He's sort of slimy, isn't he?

228
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I bit...

229
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Gold Ducashir. you know, you're very aware he's a bit villainous.

230
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But it's charming enough.

231
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

232
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And he's quite reasonable.

233
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I mean, he is proposing an alliance kind of of his own here, isn't he?

234
00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:22.500
You know, he comes and approaches them because they've managed to fight off the other ships and he wants some photon torpedoes and, you know, like he wants to exchange things and then they refuse.

235
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I think he's okay.

236
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I think he's okay.

237
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And I guess mostly because the shape of his face is still visible in his mouth and stuff.

238
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I think the best. alien species we get in this is the return of the Melons that look like a massive pooze.

239
00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:37.500
Oh, just because they're so ridiculous.

240
00:15:37.500 --> 00:15:39.240
And they're always sort of comic performances.

241
00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:40.860
So they stand out a little bit.

242
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This guy's all right.

243
00:15:42.899 --> 00:15:45.179
Maybe it's a 5 on the Bomar scale.

244
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Nothing too outrageous.

245
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A five?

246
00:15:46.980 --> 00:15:47.340
A five?

247
00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:48.419
Yeah, 4 or five, I think.

248
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Well, rate them all as we go.

249
00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:51.299
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

250
00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.539
It's basically his ridges and things are whatever they've had in stock.

251
00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:57.179
They just called out the stock and shoved it on his face.

252
00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:00.600
Well, the same with the nose looks like a bit of a male on nose as well.

253
00:16:00.659 --> 00:16:02.700
You know, the sort of weird nostrils and stuff.

254
00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:04.379
But yeah, he's not too bad.

255
00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:08.220
He's... is absolutely morally clear here.

256
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We do not trade weapons.

257
00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:13.200
And that's been that has been a standard thing.

258
00:16:13.259 --> 00:16:14.039
Do you remember?

259
00:16:14.100 --> 00:16:18.899
Like they tended not to trade technology at all, but certainly not weapons.

260
00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:22.200
Um, Yeah, yeah.

261
00:16:22.259 --> 00:16:28.679
So, so she's already starting to demonstrate that she has principles.

262
00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:36.720
And it, really, it's Valen here who, where it's about the void, you know, you can't really afford to have these principles.

263
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Morality won't keep your life support systems running, is what he says.

264
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She says, and her wonderful voice.

265
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There are compromises.

266
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I am not willing to make.

267
00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:47.519
Yeah, but he just says not yet.

268
00:16:47.580 --> 00:16:50.279
You know, this is a moral void this place.

269
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Do you think this has legs beyond a single episode?

270
00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:54.419
No.

271
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I do.

272
00:16:55.799 --> 00:17:02.220
I think they could not a season, but maybe maybe like the DS96 part arc.

273
00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:04.319
I think they could have done something tasty with 6 episodes.

274
00:17:04.380 --> 00:17:11.700
But I think what this exists to do is to kind of contrast with the rest of Voyager.

275
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And so I like it doing that, just a little parable about people.

276
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Do you know what I mean?

277
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Like the reason I think this works is within one episode we see them arrive.

278
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We get the situation explained because one of the things he does so deftly, and I think you kind of alluded to it before, is it has to explain this world and its rules, and it does it really well.

279
00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:36.059
It sets up the kind of moral conundrum.

280
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We make the right decision and we watch people learn to cooperate, and it falters and there's reversals and stuff, and then we escape.

281
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And so telling that story, I think, in 45 minutes.

282
00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:52.680
You could have done, you know, like a 6 part thing, but I think you lose something, maybe.

283
00:17:52.740 --> 00:17:58.319
You know, the individual parts would be less interesting than this as a whole, I think.

284
00:17:58.740 --> 00:18:03.299
Which is interesting, but not all that interesting.

285
00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:10.619
No, but like it does tell, it does tell a Star Trek story, which is kind of rare.

286
00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:12.240
And you see, even this, I think, is really good.

287
00:18:12.299 --> 00:18:19.980
The 1st failed attempt works really well to illustrate the stakes, to show how close they are, how they're not stupid to imagine that they could escape.

288
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Is Voyager there in that black cloud?

289
00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:24.119
Oh, yeah, there's a little light.

290
00:18:24.420 --> 00:18:33.599
I think in terms of plotting, this really shows up a lot of other Voyager episodes for what it achieves, because they're, like, we have the scene with, was it Galen?

291
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Is that his name?

292
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Where he explains what the void is.

293
00:18:36.420 --> 00:18:40.920
Then you have the scene in Astrometrics, which explains how they get in and out of what they're going to have to do.

294
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Like you said, then you have the scene where they try and get out and then another ship comes along and tries to take their supplies and it does it all so efficiently.

295
00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:51.539
In a way, the forger episodes rarely do, you know?

296
00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:54.000
Yeah, this is really good, isn't it?

297
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At that moment, you're about to see stars through that sort of...

298
00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:01.500
Oh, my God, stars.

299
00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:02.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

300
00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:04.920
But we're totally there with so close.

301
00:19:04.980 --> 00:19:06.240
Yeah, yeah.

302
00:19:06.299 --> 00:19:07.380
It's good.

303
00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:09.900
It is true. does Harry get a line in this?

304
00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:11.519
I just saw him there at the console.

305
00:19:11.579 --> 00:19:13.380
Oh, maybe.

306
00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:14.519
I can't really remember.

307
00:19:14.579 --> 00:19:15.240
Yeah.

308
00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:30.059
What would have been very unfortunate, Nathan, would have been if they had been stuck in this voyage for the rest of the series. to be lost in, you know, a dangerous reach of the space once was unfortunate, but this is just taking a piss now.

309
00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:31.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

310
00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:33.240
Now we lost inner space withinner space.

311
00:19:33.299 --> 00:19:35.940
Did you think somebody should have said the line, though?

312
00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:40.079
Someone should have said, this is just like our situation. in the Delta Quadra?

313
00:19:40.140 --> 00:19:40.859
No.

314
00:19:41.339 --> 00:19:44.460
If it was cursewood trick, somebody would say it.

315
00:19:44.579 --> 00:19:46.019
Oh, look at that.

316
00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:48.779
Look how fucking dreadful that shot is.

317
00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:50.039
To be honest, Nathan.

318
00:19:50.099 --> 00:19:51.539
I can't see anyone.

319
00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:52.799
Who's in the shop?

320
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I wear my glasses.

321
00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:58.619
I'm wearing a glass.

322
00:19:58.680 --> 00:19:59.460
It's so dark.

323
00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:01.200
Is that Janeway walking around?

324
00:20:01.259 --> 00:20:02.220
Yeah.

325
00:20:02.220 --> 00:20:05.160
I shouldn't be asking this question.

326
00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:08.460
Oh, I can see Neelix.

327
00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:08.759
Okay.

328
00:20:08.819 --> 00:20:12.420
Oh, I love that line where he goes, I used to be a scavenger.

329
00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:14.339
Let me go off in my little shuttle.

330
00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:16.980
And I thought she was going to say, yes, yeah, go on, go and find.

331
00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:20.099
And then I thought maybe that was going to be the answer to the episode at the end.

332
00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:21.480
Like, that would be how they'd get away.

333
00:20:21.539 --> 00:20:24.299
Then she took a punt, but she goes, no, your little shuttle.

334
00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:27.420
It wouldn't stand you know, 2 minutes in the void. stay here with us.

335
00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:34.740
I'm glad they mentioned the shuttles because the shuttles have their own warp cores and stuff like that and they don't forget that they do actually mention it.

336
00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:36.660
Oh, that's a good line.

337
00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:37.799
The vultures are circling.

338
00:20:37.859 --> 00:20:39.240
No, but her line.

339
00:20:39.299 --> 00:20:40.980
Vultures eat the dead, Mr. Paris.

340
00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:41.759
We're not dead yet.

341
00:20:41.819 --> 00:20:42.720
Like, that's great.

342
00:20:42.779 --> 00:20:43.920
That's tremendous.

343
00:20:43.980 --> 00:20:45.359
That's classic Janeway.

344
00:20:45.420 --> 00:20:48.119
You give Kate Mulgra a line like that.

345
00:20:48.180 --> 00:20:50.279
She got to chew up and spit out, isn't she?

346
00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:52.079
Just tremendous.

347
00:20:52.140 --> 00:20:54.359
Oh, now the bridge seems very dark as well.

348
00:20:54.420 --> 00:20:56.460
Will someone put a fucking light on, please?

349
00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:58.920
That's great.

350
00:20:58.980 --> 00:21:00.839
That sort of flaming ship.

351
00:21:00.900 --> 00:21:04.259
You know, they kind of reckoned the ship, but it's got sort of smoke coming off it.

352
00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:07.259
I'm just saying that because you can see something.

353
00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:08.880
Yeah, yeah, that could be it.

354
00:21:08.940 --> 00:21:09.779
That could be it.

355
00:21:09.900 --> 00:21:12.900
Oh, Harry Kim did get a line, but it was all terrible.

356
00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:18.180
Unless the episode's about him in series 7, I think that's basically all he does.

357
00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:19.200
That's all he does.

358
00:21:19.259 --> 00:21:20.519
Same with Tuvok.

359
00:21:20.579 --> 00:21:22.319
Tuvok gets some stuff to do.

360
00:21:22.380 --> 00:21:24.480
That's a genuine waste, though, that is.

361
00:21:24.539 --> 00:21:26.099
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

362
00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:26.940
Yeah, yeah.

363
00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:32.700
I do like I love the line when they both go to her quarters and she goes, it doesn't take 2 people to deliver a pad.

364
00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:34.019
What do you want?

365
00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:34.980
Yeah, yeah.

366
00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.319
I've seen, well, talk about that scene when we get there?

367
00:21:37.380 --> 00:21:39.960
Because I think that is a good line, but I think that scene is a problem.

368
00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:43.740
Yeah, again, this is not great either.

369
00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:45.420
What's happening right now?

370
00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:48.359
I can see with a sort of torch, but it's not actually lighting anything up.

371
00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:52.019
No, because all we can see of the torches, we can't see their faces.

372
00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:53.819
You know, we can't really see anything.

373
00:21:53.880 --> 00:22:02.460
We see this and so it's the casing that the warp core for that ship came in, but it's got a character in it.

374
00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:04.380
Like it's got a new character in it.

375
00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:05.819
Oh, it's Fantome.

376
00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:06.720
Yes.

377
00:22:06.779 --> 00:22:10.380
So he's played by Jonathan Del Arco.

378
00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:11.819
Is that Shuborg?

379
00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:13.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

380
00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:23.220
So he's played by Hugh Borg, who is in descent, part two, which we've already done, and Iborg, obviously, and he does come back in Picard too.

381
00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:29.460
We're doing sort of painted body stockings for Fantome's people, which is a look, isn't it?

382
00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:36.359
Well, part of the problem is we've already done night and didn't night have those glowing people in it?

383
00:22:36.420 --> 00:22:38.519
Oh, I can't really remember.

384
00:22:38.579 --> 00:22:47.099
I can see much of that episode on. semi-visible, semi-visible sort of glowy people who seem like they live in a void like that.

385
00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:51.599
Here, yeah, the body stocking and the thing and everything's brown.

386
00:22:51.660 --> 00:22:58.140
This is the attempt, I think, for this episode to show us how we could have done weird Star Trek as well.

387
00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:01.200
Part of the show's premise is being new.

388
00:23:01.259 --> 00:23:15.660
Conceptually, this alien race is the most interesting of the episode. little scavenger people, they hide away on people's ships, nick their food and things like that, and that's how they exist, and communicating via music, which is such a great idea.

389
00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:20.279
We learn to communicate with them over the course of the episode too.

390
00:23:20.339 --> 00:23:23.279
So all of that is absolutely what we should be doing.

391
00:23:23.339 --> 00:23:25.500
I was praying.

392
00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:34.500
I was praying to whoever's up there that my other after did not walk in the room when they were all playing their music on the pads because I would never live that down.

393
00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:36.839
I thought that was really good.

394
00:23:36.900 --> 00:23:41.220
It's weird that it's fun, but my God, yeah, you don't want a non-Star Trek fancy in that.

395
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:44.460
Look, can you see your Voyager there?

396
00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:46.920
I can just see the tiny round pit of the Nacile.

397
00:23:46.980 --> 00:23:47.880
Yeah, yeah.

398
00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:52.140
I think the whatever it is at the beginning. here we go.

399
00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:54.599
Is it because they're conserving the light string?

400
00:23:54.660 --> 00:23:55.380
Is that what's going on?

401
00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

402
00:23:57.420 --> 00:24:00.299
They're conserving my entertainment values as well.

403
00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:00.960
Yeah.

404
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:06.660
So Valen has their deuterium, and so they're going to go and take that off him.

405
00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:09.539
So and again here, right?

406
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:17.640
So this is this is another time where she's given the chance to do something that will help them to survive and she says no.

407
00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:25.079
So the 1st time is where she refuses to enter an alliance with Galen because she doesn't want to give their weapons technology to him.

408
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:30.779
Here, she retrieves some of the stuff that's been stolen.

409
00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:31.680
Valen didn't steal it.

410
00:24:31.740 --> 00:24:34.799
It was on that other ship, but he's got the staff.

411
00:24:34.859 --> 00:24:36.240
And so they steal it.

412
00:24:36.299 --> 00:24:42.299
And then, and then Harry, Tom says there's more food, we could just take that.

413
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:45.059
And she says, well, it's not ours.

414
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:46.680
So no, we're not going to do that.

415
00:24:46.980 --> 00:24:55.799
And what I think is weird about this is that everyone seems to think that Janeway's being crazy.

416
00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:58.200
Excluding me.

417
00:24:58.259 --> 00:25:02.160
But aren't they members of the Federation and Starfleet?

418
00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:04.440
I get away with that because I'm not.

419
00:25:04.500 --> 00:25:05.579
Yeah.

420
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:08.099
So they're members of Starfleet.

421
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.440
Like, why are they surprised by this?

422
00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:13.019
And so that's this scene now?

423
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:18.000
We've got Janeway in her quarters already room or whatever. she in a ready room?

424
00:25:18.059 --> 00:25:21.779
And the boys come in, Tuvok and the medium, Robert.

425
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:24.000
It reminds me of that putting course oblivion.

426
00:25:24.059 --> 00:25:26.640
Do remember where Tom Paris was like, well, we haven't got a bear anymore.

427
00:25:26.700 --> 00:25:31.319
Just, you know, just because their circumstances are now different, you can behave however you want.

428
00:25:31.380 --> 00:25:34.680
That's how everyone on the ship seems to be behaving that way this.

429
00:25:35.700 --> 00:25:41.759
So both Chakotay and Tuvok and Tuvok, for me, that's the most baffling thing.

430
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:43.200
It does say it's logical.

431
00:25:43.259 --> 00:25:46.140
Logic dictates we may have to be more opportunistic to survive.

432
00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:49.440
Okay, but that's, but that just isn't him.

433
00:25:49.500 --> 00:25:50.279
Do you know what I mean?

434
00:25:50.339 --> 00:25:55.319
Like he's been in Starfleet for decades longer than Janeway's been alive.

435
00:25:55.380 --> 00:25:58.200
You know, he's her old friend.

436
00:25:58.259 --> 00:26:04.500
He's a Vulcan, and he hasn't really read the Federation charter.

437
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:05.279
Do you know what I mean?

438
00:26:05.339 --> 00:26:07.559
Like, he doesn't, he thinks it's okay.

439
00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:08.519
I just don't get it.

440
00:26:08.579 --> 00:26:13.079
We've seen Tuvok make morally ambiguous choices before.

441
00:26:13.140 --> 00:26:22.799
Remember that time when he took that technology to spare Jade away from having to nick it off that species and then justified his action because he's her friend and he didn't want her to make that choice.

442
00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:23.880
That made sense.

443
00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:24.539
You're right.

444
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:29.160
This is just like, okay, well, I'm just gonna abandon all my principles.

445
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:30.539
Because we're in a tricky situation.

446
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:40.380
We need 2 characters to come in and 2 kind of they're on opposite sides, aren't they, in a way, to Vulcan, not anymore, but originally.

447
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:43.019
And so they both need to express scepticism.

448
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:53.940
Do you know what I think the problem might be, is we're not seeing this situation as desperate as it could be presented because they're still in their nice comfortable ship and they are deleting and all this.

449
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:57.720
And if things were really desperate, then maybe this scene would make more sense.

450
00:26:57.779 --> 00:27:12.839
If this was Battlestar Galactica. they show this void to be a truly horrific region of space and half of shit would be torn off. and then maybe them coming to a quarter saying, you know what, you're a nicely nicely approach of alliances with people, maybe that's not the way to go.

451
00:27:12.900 --> 00:27:16.200
But, but, but, there's something different normal.

452
00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:18.480
We're just in the same sets with the lights down.

453
00:27:18.539 --> 00:27:20.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

454
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:20.940
That's true.

455
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:22.380
It is hard to sell it.

456
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:23.759
And he's just the lights down.

457
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:27.960
And once the lights have turned down, we start to make...

458
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:29.579
Things are truly decisions.

459
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:30.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

460
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:44.339
But, but this, you know, Voyager could always have been about this and the characters could have been committed to this. and this is Star Trek and maybe that should be their their basic approach.

461
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:54.420
It shouldn't come as a surprise that we come in here and decide to make alliances and create relationships by helping people and working together.

462
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:55.920
Everyone goes, well, that's crazy.

463
00:27:55.980 --> 00:27:57.000
Why would you do that?

464
00:27:57.059 --> 00:27:57.420
You know?

465
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:01.559
Is it a problem then that Voyager is always heading home?

466
00:28:01.619 --> 00:28:05.099
So it's heading away from whatever alliance they would be making.

467
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:13.859
Maybe, but you can imagine them like appearing at a place or being in a region of space and meeting people.

468
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:20.160
Yeah, yeah. and sort of turning up, and trying to work together to reach out to people and stuff, and they're almost never doing that.

469
00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:27.119
Like when aliens come along, they're usually sort of just intransigent fuckwits who, you know, won't let them through space or whatever.

470
00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:27.900
Do you know what I mean?

471
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:29.039
They're always an obstacle.

472
00:28:29.099 --> 00:28:30.240
They never someone to reach out to.

473
00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:31.859
I, you know what I mean?

474
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:33.180
such a terrible old cynic.

475
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:44.640
I love the idea of Voyager heading into a region of space and doing what you said there, making alliances and trying to do the right thing and then making a massive fuck up of it and going, shit, we're just going to have to go and then just leave him.

476
00:28:44.700 --> 00:28:46.319
Well, I mean, that's drama.

477
00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:47.819
I work all the time.

478
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:48.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

479
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:51.960
But that should be what our guys represent.

480
00:28:52.019 --> 00:28:53.339
I think this guy is...

481
00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:55.140
I think that's what they do in Dragon's teeth, actually.

482
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.119
Do you remember Dragon Steve with the Valdoir?

483
00:28:57.180 --> 00:28:59.279
They're the ones that wake them up.

484
00:28:59.339 --> 00:29:03.779
And then they literally, the last shot is Voyager walking away as they're all in a massive battle.

485
00:29:04.859 --> 00:29:07.259
Sorry for waking them up.

486
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:12.660
Like the scene in the opening credits of Lower Decks.

487
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.279
This guy is pretty good.

488
00:29:17.339 --> 00:29:19.740
This guy, Garren, and he...

489
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:20.519
I can't see him.

490
00:29:20.579 --> 00:29:20.940
I'm sorry.

491
00:29:20.940 --> 00:29:22.619
No that again.

492
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:23.519
Do you know what I mean?

493
00:29:23.579 --> 00:29:28.259
Like, he is, it's it's a bit of a 7 or an 8.

494
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.960
It's kind of like a fucked up Klingon, isn't it?

495
00:29:31.019 --> 00:29:32.880
Like with that stupid face thing.

496
00:29:32.940 --> 00:29:33.839
It's...

497
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:39.599
I think that's the same uniforms that the creatures in captive pursuit wars. you remember Tosk?

498
00:29:39.660 --> 00:29:41.160
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

499
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.900
The people that came to get tossed had red jumpsuits with something going all the way along die like that.

500
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.960
I realised that's a very geeky detail, but that's what I'm here for.

501
00:29:49.019 --> 00:29:50.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

502
00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:51.480
No, absolutely, it could be.

503
00:29:51.539 --> 00:30:05.099
I like Neelix's line, and I like, I love Janeway's reaction, where Neelix says I tried, and she just looks at him with kind of love and thanks in just a little look from Janeway.

504
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:05.759
I thought that was great.

505
00:30:05.819 --> 00:30:10.079
Somewhere in the last 2 or 3 seasons.

506
00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:12.420
They really started to get the edix, right?

507
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:13.319
And I'm seeing it now.

508
00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:16.680
I think they pushed it away from all the being jealous of Tom Paris.

509
00:30:16.740 --> 00:30:18.420
You know, all of that.

510
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.299
Oh, no, my uselessness is coming to an end all that bullshit.

511
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:32.579
And they just had him as a godfather to Naomi Wildman, as a gentle advisor to Janeway, and yeah, just there to be the moral compass of the ship, you know, the morale of.

512
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:33.299
It works though.

513
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:35.759
And because they all love Ethan Phillips.

514
00:30:35.819 --> 00:30:38.279
I think those scenes are all really gentle and play really well.

515
00:30:38.339 --> 00:30:39.660
Yeah, yeah.

516
00:30:39.660 --> 00:30:42.119
I'm sort of coming round a bit with Nick.

517
00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:43.980
I agree.

518
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:46.740
I like this scene as well.

519
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:52.079
And again, 7 is the right person to be doing this because that's her role, isn't it?

520
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:55.200
But Janeway...

521
00:30:55.259 --> 00:31:01.319
No, but also for Janeway to explain to her what it means to be human. you know, like what, why we make the decisions we make.

522
00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:18.359
And the fact that that previous scene had ended with a striking moment of her ordering some of her replicator rations to go to Fantomi, which is a striking moment and then having Janeway call her out on and saying, you did that, you know, that wasn't rational.

523
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:20.819
That was not an official decision that you made.

524
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:21.480
Yeah, yeah.

525
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:24.900
Also, as well, it shows you how much things have softened between them two.

526
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.019
Because back in the day, 7 would have acted against her.

527
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:34.799
And at the end of that scene, she just sort of sighs theatric go, oh, she does and walks off.

528
00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:35.759
Which is very nice.

529
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:38.400
Oh, is this the bit where they're playing their music?

530
00:31:38.460 --> 00:31:44.759
Apparently, you know, they put in deliberate bits from the original series theme tune in there.

531
00:31:44.819 --> 00:31:47.039
I couldn't really hear it, but no, I couldn't either.

532
00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:48.779
I did try and listen for listen for it.

533
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:50.880
So I quite like Seven's line.

534
00:31:50.940 --> 00:31:56.279
You know, you've come up with a name for this guy, but in 6 years you haven't come up with a name for yourself.

535
00:31:56.339 --> 00:31:58.319
I think you're fine, though, Fred.

536
00:31:58.380 --> 00:32:02.460
He comes up with a very small name eventually. low effort name at the end.

537
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:03.960
Oh, you bitch.

538
00:32:04.019 --> 00:32:08.460
And so, but that's kind of adorable.

539
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:11.579
He doesn't pronounce the guy's name correctly.

540
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:13.980
I don't know why he calls him Fantomi.

541
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:16.980
Um, because it's Phantom of the Opera.

542
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:18.539
French, it's Fantomme.

543
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:19.680
That's the word for ghost.

544
00:32:19.740 --> 00:32:23.700
I don't know why he's not called Fantom. you know, like why is he called Fantomi?

545
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:26.640
Robert Picardo is a well-red man, you know?

546
00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:29.339
I'm sure he knows so that must be a deliberate choice.

547
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:31.259
Oh, it's wrong, but it's a mistake.

548
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:33.180
I think it's a mistake and no one's corrected him.

549
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:38.640
And if the in Italian, it's Il Fantasma, it's not fantastic.

550
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:41.039
Maybe they're just trying to give it a sort of science fiction.

551
00:32:41.099 --> 00:32:42.359
Oh, fantastic.

552
00:32:42.420 --> 00:32:43.740
Fantome is a good name.

553
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:45.539
It's better than usual for Voyager.

554
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:46.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

555
00:32:46.980 --> 00:32:49.079
You know, remember the Beaumar, Nathan?

556
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:51.539
They had an apostrophe.

557
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:57.059
Yeah, you can't turn the line, can you?

558
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:58.200
Partly for life.

559
00:32:58.259 --> 00:32:58.980
You can't see anything.

560
00:32:59.039 --> 00:32:59.579
That's why.

561
00:32:59.700 --> 00:33:01.259
That's it.

562
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:03.059
Oh, no way.

563
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:07.140
This table is lit up, so we can see the miserable food they're about to be served.

564
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:30.480
But again, you know, there's this thing, and I said before, that Voyager is scarce in resources, and we occasionally mention it, but we never see the crew kind of emiserated by that particularly, and they still have social occasions, and they still go on the holodeck, and they still enjoy food, you know, they sit down and Neelix cooks for them.

565
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:39.359
And so even here when in the midst of the worst imaginable scarcity where there's literally nothing outside, they still have that meal.

566
00:33:39.420 --> 00:33:42.539
And I think that that's the reason for that scene, don't you?

567
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:49.259
Because you've got Ethan being warm, you've got, uh, you know, Bellana being appreciative.

568
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:53.819
This is a thing that he's saved up, like he's got a few of these dried fruits.

569
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:55.259
He's saved it up.

570
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:57.480
She's appreciative, she thinks he shouldn't do it.

571
00:33:57.539 --> 00:33:59.640
You know, there's a warmth and humanity to this.

572
00:34:00.420 --> 00:34:07.559
It is a nice scene, but the food as presented, which looks like... awful, which is odd, I think, too.

573
00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:08.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

574
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:08.940
Yeah.

575
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:12.780
I'm surprised Tom Paris even put one in his mouth if I'm honest.

576
00:34:12.900 --> 00:34:16.019
He eats it and he doesn't say something snarky and shitty.

577
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:18.659
That's a win, Voyager, isn't it?

578
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:19.199
Exactly.

579
00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:22.500
Yep, I agree What's happening now?

580
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.340
Yeah.

581
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:35.760
So a new ship has just appeared in the void and they're trying to recruit him and Valen's trying to steal all of its stuff.

582
00:34:35.820 --> 00:34:39.960
And so, yeah, yeah, yeah.

583
00:34:40.380 --> 00:34:43.320
Yeah, I think this guy's a good antagonist.

584
00:34:43.380 --> 00:34:44.400
He's good, don't you?

585
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:45.539
I think he's...

586
00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:46.559
I love her line there.

587
00:34:46.619 --> 00:34:48.420
Just some people in a bad situation.

588
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:49.440
Like the rest of us.

589
00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:51.059
That is a good line.

590
00:34:51.179 --> 00:34:52.800
I've been practising my mom.

591
00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:53.400
How am I doing?

592
00:34:53.460 --> 00:34:54.599
You're doing well.

593
00:34:54.659 --> 00:34:55.199
Thank you.

594
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:56.579
Better than I do, though.

595
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:57.840
Oh here they are.

596
00:34:57.900 --> 00:34:58.920
I love that.

597
00:34:58.980 --> 00:35:02.340
They look they look so like the Santaras from Doctor Who, don't they?

598
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:03.360
Yeah, don't they?

599
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:07.860
That's really nice because they 1st turned up in night.

600
00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:12.599
Another very dark episode, as we've already mentioned, deliberately so.

601
00:35:12.659 --> 00:35:19.980
And then they're in the Juggernail, at the end of five, they're in Tinker Tenor, Doctor Spy, and six, and then in this, in seven.

602
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.619
So we can only assume Mailon space is quite large.

603
00:35:22.860 --> 00:35:24.900
They travel quite a lot.

604
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:26.880
Well, they're scientists, aren't they?

605
00:35:26.940 --> 00:35:32.219
So maybe like the Federation, they just go out to all regions of the Delta Quadrant.

606
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:37.739
I thought that their thing was that they had a really garbagey warp drive that polluted everything that it went through.

607
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:39.780
They saw abandoned that now.

608
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:40.800
It suited one episode.

609
00:35:40.860 --> 00:35:42.119
Right, okay.

610
00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:46.980
But they do look quirky.

611
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:47.820
I do like that.

612
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:56.460
I'm glad it's great to see a female cast member just be pregnant on Voyager.

613
00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:58.440
I know that we've had it on Deep Space 9.

614
00:35:58.500 --> 00:36:02.280
Um, And is she pregnant twice during the run of the show?

615
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.260
Well, that they're high.

616
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:05.940
She's behind one of them.

617
00:36:05.940 --> 00:36:09.360
And she's doing the Goth McFadden thing of being behind console.

618
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:11.400
And she's not really pregnant now or is she?

619
00:36:11.460 --> 00:36:12.420
She's not really pregnant.

620
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:13.679
It's just her and Tommy.

621
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:15.179
No, they've gone the other way, yeah.

622
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:16.199
She only have one kid.

623
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.519
She's fake pregnant here.

624
00:36:20.579 --> 00:36:25.739
Nothing will ever be in the darkness and the light when Kira, literally about to pop.

625
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:32.760
She's enormous, goes into the corridor and beats the shit out of the man in the corridor. heavily pregnant.

626
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:37.980
So these guys joining them, which is kind of great. is joining them.

627
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.659
So Janeway's methods are bearing fruit.

628
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:49.980
Yeah, and like he's seen her try and rescue the new guy who's just arrived in the void.

629
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.260
How many ships on there now?

630
00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:53.280
In a little coalition.

631
00:36:53.340 --> 00:36:55.199
I can't really see them Maybe.

632
00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:00.179
One, two, three. is really bad, isn't it?

633
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:01.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

634
00:37:01.739 --> 00:37:02.460
Yeah.

635
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:07.980
I shouldn't have to work this hard to understand a simple thing, like ships travelling together.

636
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:15.599
Now, I love this scene, and this guy is a solid, like, 9.9.

637
00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:17.159
He's virtually...

638
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:17.639
Oh, you say that?

639
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:18.239
Oh, I would share.

640
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:19.739
The Beaumar scale.

641
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:20.880
He's really bad.

642
00:37:20.940 --> 00:37:39.599
He looks like a turkey. don't you think He looks very like very like the alien that comes onto DS9 to kill Quark because he spent loads of time in prison because he's got the same sort of ridge going down the middle of his head, but that alien. joined up the mouth and the nose.

643
00:37:39.780 --> 00:37:43.679
Whereas here they've cut a hole in between the 2 so he can eat something.

644
00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:45.960
But I think he looks like a turkey.

645
00:37:46.019 --> 00:37:48.659
Like, in profile, he looks like a turkey.

646
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:53.579
There was that line about there was that line about vultures in the previous episode.

647
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:55.380
And so this guy's horrible.

648
00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:02.639
I would see this conversation too, where Tuvok has a conversation with Fantomi and the doctor, which I think is really nice.

649
00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:07.320
I like Fanti Ray... hiding behind the doctor, you know, he's learned to trust him.

650
00:38:07.380 --> 00:38:09.539
So there's a lot of action.

651
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:11.400
There's a lot of activity happening on the ship.

652
00:38:11.460 --> 00:38:14.280
There's new people. meeting new people, they're joining alliances.

653
00:38:14.340 --> 00:38:19.139
Yeah, you don't feel going on. shortchanged in sort of alien races and things, do you?

654
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.199
But Voyager could always have been like this.

655
00:38:22.260 --> 00:38:28.199
You know, it could always have been a place that reached out and brought people together and things that could have been its role.

656
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.139
Now you've got all these different, right?

657
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:34.139
3 different races as well as our crew on Voyager now?

658
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:34.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

659
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:36.900
That's really quite excited.

660
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.719
He looks...

661
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:42.599
It's the same makeup as that man who came after Quark.

662
00:38:42.659 --> 00:38:43.320
I'm telling you.

663
00:38:43.380 --> 00:38:44.639
Did he have the bad hair?

664
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:46.679
Oh, he's got gray hair.

665
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:47.760
Oh, no.

666
00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:49.920
It's like gobble, gobble, gobble.

667
00:38:49.980 --> 00:38:51.119
Yeah, he is.

668
00:38:51.179 --> 00:38:52.139
He's a fucking turkey.

669
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:53.219
It's amazing.

670
00:38:53.280 --> 00:39:03.000
Maybe this was the one where Kmart grew where this fella came on the set, all right, and I tried very hard to keep it together when I had scenes with him, but...

671
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:03.659
What's a lie?

672
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:04.500
They were testing me.

673
00:39:07.860 --> 00:39:10.679
Oh, now she's clinching.

674
00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:13.260
She's flinching in the face of that.

675
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:14.400
She's fucking hero.

676
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:19.500
I think Michael Westmore's going, do you know what?

677
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:26.340
We are going to have much Charles to do aliens in Enterprise, so let's just go to town in the last few episodes of Forager.

678
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:31.500
Please order in 5 times as much latex as usual. you very much.

679
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.440
Fuzzy hair is really upsetting as well.

680
00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:36.599
Like it's he's just awful.

681
00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:40.019
You do look at some Star Trek aliens and just wonder, how did this evolve?

682
00:39:40.139 --> 00:39:41.940
No, no, no.

683
00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:44.340
It's Mike Westmore.

684
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.860
Never goes to me at all.

685
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:48.360
But he's clearly a bird.

686
00:39:48.420 --> 00:39:50.699
Leg isn't got a beak or whatever.

687
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:54.119
Okay, so it looks like she's got a few more ships in her coalition now.

688
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:58.980
And it's nice that we cut back to that, though, isn't it, to show that the...

689
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.500
And this guy's working with them.

690
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:06.119
See, the alliance or the Federation, the alliance, the alliance.

691
00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:09.840
So I like this as well.

692
00:40:09.900 --> 00:40:11.639
I think this is really good.

693
00:40:11.699 --> 00:40:28.079
Um, and it's a costly decision that she makes because some people lose their shit and in fact, um, the turkey guy, whose name is Basal, uh, goes off to join Valen, uh, to be their sort of antagonists and Janeway has a great line about that.

694
00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:32.460
Oh, meanwhile, the maelon are spying on them from astrometrics.

695
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.980
So if you said, it feels like lots is happening, you know?

696
00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:37.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. like the price.

697
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:43.500
Remember the price when the Enterprise is hosting all of those different people, including the Ferengian stuff?

698
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.440
Like it just, they feel like part of something.

699
00:40:46.500 --> 00:40:48.239
It's fun, you know?

700
00:40:48.300 --> 00:40:50.159
There's activity.

701
00:40:50.219 --> 00:40:53.760
But then they are spoying, but then they figure out an important plot point, don't they?

702
00:40:53.820 --> 00:40:55.199
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. right.

703
00:40:55.260 --> 00:40:56.099
They resolve a thing.

704
00:40:56.159 --> 00:41:03.900
I think it's really good I remember sort of getting to about 4 minutes before the end, and they're still in the void, and I'm going, how the fuck are they going to wrap this up in 4 minutes?

705
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:09.659
And then you realise it's Fantomi and his people that actually solve the problem.

706
00:41:09.659 --> 00:41:14.579
And then just being kind to them is what's actually the real solution.

707
00:41:14.699 --> 00:41:16.019
So Janeway was right.

708
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:17.519
Of course she was.

709
00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:20.400
So here's the thing that you're embarrassed.

710
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:28.079
So the camera's sort of dancing around them, and there are all sort of playing their little pazs, going...

711
00:41:28.139 --> 00:41:29.519
I think the music is good.

712
00:41:29.579 --> 00:41:30.960
Like, it's really strange.

713
00:41:31.019 --> 00:41:33.239
So this is Jay Chattaway.

714
00:41:33.300 --> 00:41:39.900
And I actually noticed the music for once in this episode and as I was watching it just this afternoon for the 2nd time.

715
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.800
Like the battle sequence music was much more ominous and odd.

716
00:41:43.860 --> 00:41:45.599
It was different from what we normally get.

717
00:41:45.659 --> 00:41:49.739
And that's what Jay Chataway brought to the show when he joined TNG.

718
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:57.780
I received a message in a somewhat baffling tone from Nathan saying, is it my imagination or is the music really quite good in this?

719
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.719
I didn't notice it at all, though, I've got to be honest.

720
00:42:00.780 --> 00:42:09.480
Well, we're about to have a montage coming up, and the montage is set to the music that these guys are making.

721
00:42:09.539 --> 00:42:14.760
Like a better more orchestral voyager version of the music that these guys are doing.

722
00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:15.480
I thought that was great.

723
00:42:15.539 --> 00:42:19.019
We needed that montage for the climax to make sense.

724
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:21.360
We needed to see all these preparations happening.

725
00:42:21.420 --> 00:42:23.039
Yeah, yeah.

726
00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:26.760
Sometimes a montage on Voyager can be really terrible.

727
00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:32.280
Do you remember the montage of Chewvoc on all of those people that are behaving badly running around the ship?

728
00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:34.559
Oh my god, a training montage.

729
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.940
They're all in tank tops. is terrible.

730
00:42:39.059 --> 00:42:42.960
No, so this is a preparation montage that we're going to get in a minute.

731
00:42:43.019 --> 00:42:45.840
So, yeah, this scene is really great.

732
00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:50.039
Now we have a Polaron modulator, which, you know, I don't know why you wouldn't have one lying around.

733
00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:53.639
I've got 3 or 4 now I can see is makeup and close up there, look.

734
00:42:53.699 --> 00:42:55.260
He's standing right in front of a light.

735
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:56.820
Yeah, he's a bird.

736
00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:57.300
Look at him.

737
00:42:57.539 --> 00:43:09.900
Yeah, so, and so he's got the Polaron modulator by killing, by, like, destroying a ship, by killing a, you know, the crew members and taking their Polaron modulator.

738
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:11.579
And so she says, we're not using it.

739
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.400
You know, you go, we're not going to use it.

740
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.099
And I'll confess something to you.

741
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:18.420
You thought that was crazy.

742
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:23.760
No, no, when you say things like polar on modulator, I'll get a little bit hard. honest.

743
00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:28.980
I'm just here to hear you tell me what the ships are, what the technobabble is. babble.

744
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:29.639
Yeah, yeah.

745
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.760
I'd say Mistress B. R. as well.

746
00:43:32.820 --> 00:43:33.780
That's my new favourite.

747
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:41.159
Yeah, so this does seem like a kind of virtue signalling thing.

748
00:43:41.219 --> 00:43:42.179
Like, why are we doing that?

749
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.000
We've got the Polaron modulator not using it.

750
00:43:45.059 --> 00:43:46.619
Isn't going to bring that crew back.

751
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:48.119
So what are we going to do?

752
00:43:48.179 --> 00:43:49.800
And I think she's right.

753
00:43:49.860 --> 00:43:51.179
She does the right thing.

754
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:52.920
It's about our reputation.

755
00:43:52.980 --> 00:43:58.199
The only reason that people join the alliance is because they think we're going to do the right thing.

756
00:43:58.260 --> 00:43:59.880
And that does pay off.

757
00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:00.960
And I do think you're right.

758
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.820
And I do think it was the right direction for the episode to take because it's a Star Trek episode.

759
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:07.440
So it should be about doing the right thing.

760
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:11.039
I just don't think in real life any of this would pay off.

761
00:44:11.099 --> 00:44:14.039
I don't believe it. think it does.

762
00:44:14.219 --> 00:44:16.500
It does because it's in this episode.

763
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:18.599
Star Trek and we're in an optimistic show.

764
00:44:18.659 --> 00:44:22.559
But I think that people don't have to compete.

765
00:44:22.619 --> 00:44:24.360
I think people can cooperate.

766
00:44:24.420 --> 00:44:25.800
I think we do it all the time.

767
00:44:25.860 --> 00:44:29.760
But I think people want to rip on another off all the time.

768
00:44:29.820 --> 00:44:33.840
No, but I think the majority probably are more selfish than that.

769
00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:38.159
That's why, like, the DS9 approach. you know, that's it's not an approach.

770
00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:44.400
I mean, the, the, you know, the thing that that dumb Star Trek is 4 is to show us that we can be better.

771
00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:45.539
Absolutely.

772
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:46.440
Yeah, yeah.

773
00:44:46.500 --> 00:44:51.960
But then does it all feel a bit simplistic or just being nice has allowed us to escape this horrible thing?

774
00:44:52.019 --> 00:45:05.519
Yeah, but it isn't just being nice because, you know, they've helped people, they've exchanged technology, you know, there's that line where Neelix says we can now feed 500 people a day on half of the, and that's three, you know, that's the crew, isn't it?

775
00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:06.480
More than the crew.

776
00:45:06.539 --> 00:45:14.460
Um, we can feed 500 people a day on, on, um, you know, half the power.

777
00:45:15.059 --> 00:45:15.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

778
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:17.280
Like all of that stuff makes sense.

779
00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:20.219
You know, they can work together and that's how they get out.

780
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:26.579
The line that shocked me the most was when they said at the end, we're only 30,000 light years away from earth.

781
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:30.300
I like bloody hell, you've covered some ground. for a gift and various other things.

782
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:50.760
I love this line from Janeway, um, where they've, so now this is, um, this is Basal, the stupid fucking turkey and Balen, and we go, we'll take Georgia's food and weapons, and she kind of, if we work together and she goes, oh, you know, thank goodness we taught them the value of corporate.

783
00:45:51.780 --> 00:45:54.599
I'm so glad.

784
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:56.219
I suppose that's a bit of payoff for me then.

785
00:45:56.280 --> 00:46:00.719
The cynical side of me, but actually some people are just are out for themselves.

786
00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:16.380
That's so much fun But yes, and then this, you know, just the kindness and the reaching out and the, and, you know, the, you know, Voyager gives them asylum from Basal's ship. there's more than one of them.

787
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.900
They're the ones that are plaguing bassaars.

788
00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:22.500
Oh, she goes, if you want to get rid of your firm in, then send them all this away.

789
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.679
And that's what saves the day.

790
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:27.420
Yeah.

791
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:29.820
I mean you know, I don't know.

792
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:37.739
It might have been nice if like Valen at least had got through with them and had perhaps learned something.

793
00:46:37.860 --> 00:46:40.860
But, you know, the way it ends is fine as well.

794
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.900
If you don't, if you're not kind, you do not escape, if you are, you do.

795
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:48.599
Yeah, that's that's the sort of information this.

796
00:46:48.659 --> 00:46:49.679
That's fair enough.

797
00:46:49.739 --> 00:46:50.340
Do you know what I mean?

798
00:46:50.460 --> 00:47:00.420
Like that's what it wants to say if you compete and you you betray people and you attack them and you do whatever you have to do to, you know, prosper, he's out.

799
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:01.440
I thought this was quite...

800
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:02.880
Yeah, quite a languid montage.

801
00:47:02.940 --> 00:47:06.059
Actually, the way it fades from one scene to another quite laboriously.

802
00:47:06.179 --> 00:47:10.380
The music actually as well is sort of fairly languid. urgent or anything.

803
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:12.900
I'm not quite sure why we have the montage.

804
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.659
A little bit astonished, though, this doesn't feel rushed.

805
00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:17.519
Given everything it accomplishes.

806
00:47:17.579 --> 00:47:18.659
It's really good.

807
00:47:18.780 --> 00:47:19.860
I think it's not bad.

808
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:25.199
It's almost like the, you know, he's had this idea and he's like, well, how do I pace this?

809
00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:28.619
How do I pay this so it all makes sense and it all pays off satisfactorily?

810
00:47:28.739 --> 00:47:30.119
Yeah.

811
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:34.739
But like a lot a lot of Voyager episodes with halfway decent premises.

812
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:38.159
I don't know, they just have extended dialogue scenes.

813
00:47:38.219 --> 00:47:41.519
They feel really, I don't know, slow.

814
00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:47.400
A lot of thought, a lot of voyager feels like. has a lot of incidents, so it just feels like it, it goes by like a lick.

815
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.099
Okay, we're ready to go.

816
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:51.119
It's about something.

817
00:47:51.179 --> 00:47:52.500
It's so refreshing.

818
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.679
This was the point now. 4 minutes and 27 seconds from the end.

819
00:47:55.739 --> 00:47:58.380
I was like, we're still not out of the boy, Jeff.

820
00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:03.360
So I pretty much knew it was going to be get out of the void, blow them a kiss.

821
00:48:03.420 --> 00:48:03.780
Goodbye.

822
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:05.400
Yeah.

823
00:48:05.460 --> 00:48:07.019
Thanks for the alliance.

824
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:07.679
It's been fun.

825
00:48:07.739 --> 00:48:09.659
We'll never see you again.

826
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:16.079
Actually, a bit of a shame because Garren says, yeah, sorry, we're going in the other direction, which is a bit of shame.

827
00:48:16.139 --> 00:48:16.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

828
00:48:16.860 --> 00:48:19.440
And will never mention them again.

829
00:48:19.500 --> 00:48:31.199
No, no, but we have learned a valuable lesson about what Voyager could have been doing all along, and we've learned that it would have worked as television.

830
00:48:31.260 --> 00:48:43.199
And, you know, instead they shy away from any sense of scarcity, and they, you know, they make them reach for their phases and things just far too readily, I think.

831
00:48:43.260 --> 00:48:48.960
So the lesson we've really learned from this is that Voyage is a big fat failure as a television show.

832
00:48:49.019 --> 00:48:51.480
With regards to its potential.

833
00:48:51.539 --> 00:48:52.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

834
00:48:52.980 --> 00:49:03.539
This shows us a more interesting route that we could have taken in something that is very, very clearly intended to be a microcosm of the show.

835
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:09.960
You know, here we are in a situation, which is like the situation where you find ourselves in at the end of the caretaker.

836
00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:13.380
It is kind of frustrating though, isn't it?

837
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:14.460
Yeah, yeah.

838
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:29.400
Yeah, I just don't think Berman is interested in Star Trek's kind of moral vision at all, and he just wants to tell stories about spaceships and phaser phaser fights and stuff like that. that's a shame.

839
00:49:29.460 --> 00:49:37.739
Is there a loin in this about, um, you know, keeping power to the weapons because they seem to be able to far off a lot of shots when they're conserving their power.

840
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:41.340
Did you notice throughout the whole episode they've been far in the phases?

841
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:43.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

842
00:49:43.139 --> 00:49:43.380
Yeah.

843
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:44.219
Yeah.

844
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.159
Well, I suppose if you're in a hostile region of space.

845
00:49:47.219 --> 00:49:49.260
That is where your energy should be going.

846
00:49:49.260 --> 00:49:50.159
To protect yourselves.

847
00:49:50.219 --> 00:49:51.179
Yeah.

848
00:49:51.179 --> 00:49:55.440
Yeah, they're sort of, again, it's a moral void, isn't it?

849
00:49:55.500 --> 00:50:00.000
They have to, they have to be beware of being under attack all the time.

850
00:50:00.059 --> 00:50:00.539
Here we go.

851
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:05.940
I think we know now 2 minutes and 16 seconds before the end of the episode that they're probably going to escape.

852
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:07.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

853
00:50:07.619 --> 00:50:09.000
There's not really much time for anything else.

854
00:50:09.059 --> 00:50:09.599
Is there?

855
00:50:09.659 --> 00:50:11.760
Wahashi's sign the ships.

856
00:50:11.820 --> 00:50:13.739
That old ship looks like a pineapple.

857
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:20.340
So 2 of the ships have gone, so we only have 4 or 5 ships because 2 of them were disgusted.

858
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:21.960
You would have just warped off straight.

859
00:50:22.019 --> 00:50:22.800
See you.

860
00:50:22.860 --> 00:50:23.639
See you both.

861
00:50:23.699 --> 00:50:25.139
Oh, thanks for the help.

862
00:50:25.500 --> 00:50:28.739
No, but we're still going to say goodbye to the mail on.

863
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:29.940
Of course we are.

864
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:33.239
I wish they'd kept a mail on on the ship, you know.

865
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:35.760
Can I stay?

866
00:50:35.820 --> 00:50:37.559
You only got half a season left.

867
00:50:37.619 --> 00:50:45.719
I think it's possible that the actor playing Karen is actually really good looking and they've just fucked him up by putting this stupid makeup on him. you think?

868
00:50:45.780 --> 00:50:46.920
We know that's the case.

869
00:50:46.980 --> 00:50:48.000
Casey Peaks, you know?

870
00:50:48.059 --> 00:50:50.400
We know that is the case with a lot of actors.

871
00:50:50.460 --> 00:50:51.000
That's a man.

872
00:50:51.059 --> 00:50:51.840
It's a man.

873
00:50:51.900 --> 00:50:56.880
I mean, Markalemo doesn't even need to wear the makeup. he still looks scary.

874
00:50:56.940 --> 00:51:01.199
That's exactly right Okay, the real Federation's just 30,000 light years away.

875
00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:01.739
Off we go.

876
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:02.340
What are we saying?

877
00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:04.800
What are we standing around for, message, Code 8?

878
00:51:04.860 --> 00:51:05.219
Let's go.

879
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:06.659
So great.

880
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:10.079
And we all learned our lesson the end.

881
00:51:10.139 --> 00:51:11.519
They all go off.

882
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:14.159
Why does we not get the scene?

883
00:51:14.219 --> 00:51:22.320
Now, forger is usually quite good at this in these sort of moral dilemma episodes of saying, you know, I was right all along and you was wrong.

884
00:51:22.380 --> 00:51:23.940
But we didn't do none of that at the end of this.

885
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:24.659
There wasn't time.

886
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:28.320
Yeah, and I'm glad that we didn't because those things are tedious too.

887
00:51:28.380 --> 00:51:37.980
Shit, Nathan, workforce part one has just started with that amazing train going across the city skates. and you go right through scaffolding and then into live action.

888
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:39.239
It's amazing.

889
00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:43.380
Yeah, I remember that shot. light on the screen.

890
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:44.820
Yeah.

891
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:47.940
I have fond memories of work for us, actually.

892
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:49.800
I remember... yeah, yeah.

893
00:51:49.860 --> 00:51:57.059
It gives Kate Mulgrew a childhood in the last season to actually play something a bit different and have a romance, which is lovely.

894
00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.760
Yeah, it's a kind of lotus eeders thing, isn't it?

895
00:51:59.820 --> 00:52:03.840
It's kind of like, well, we have a life and it kind of works here and so why are we trying to get home?

896
00:52:03.900 --> 00:52:07.559
It is a little bit like the lotus eaters at the beginning of the Odyssey.

897
00:52:07.619 --> 00:52:12.179
It's actually enough episode of, we could have done more episodes a bit like this.

898
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:13.380
You know?

899
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:17.340
For not starting on Established Voyager, starting in a situation.

900
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.860
Yeah, that's always good, isn't it?

901
00:52:19.980 --> 00:52:27.059
I'm wondering if I should revisit a bit more of season 7 of Star Trek Voyager because maybe they were just going, right, what haven't we done?

902
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:28.019
Let's do it now.

903
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:30.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe.

904
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:32.039
No, there's some shit in there as well.

905
00:52:33.420 --> 00:52:36.300
We've already watched lineage, if you remember.

906
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:37.380
Yeah, that's true.

907
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:37.860
That's true.

908
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:43.800
And the conclusions they draw in endgame were passable at best.

909
00:52:43.860 --> 00:52:45.480
Yes, I think that's fair.

910
00:52:45.539 --> 00:53:00.960
But that, that as a lesson in what Star Trek should be about, how to place an episode and to explore for 45 minutes what this fucking show should have been about from the start, I think it's a success.

911
00:53:01.019 --> 00:53:03.119
Yeah, I think that worked really well.

912
00:53:03.179 --> 00:53:04.980
I was surprised by how much I liked it.

913
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:06.900
I thought it was really, really enjoyable.

914
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.179
I just wish they'd turned the lights on.

915
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:10.019
Yeah.

916
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:22.440
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to work out what we are going to watch next time.

917
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:31.559
This was a good episode of Star Trek, which means that you rolled at Joe, and it's time for me to roll a bad episode of Star Trek.

918
00:53:31.619 --> 00:53:33.000
Right.

919
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:49.619
So I am going to include my 2 least favourite versions of Star Trek, my 2 least favourite series, and they are Star Trek, the animated series and Star Trek Enterprise, inevitably.

920
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.920
We can almost guarantee we'll get something terrible then.

921
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:54.000
Okay, good.

922
00:53:54.059 --> 00:53:54.539
All right.

923
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:56.340
I am going to press the button.

924
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:58.980
You love putting enterprise in, don't you?

925
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:00.179
It's an obsession of yours.

926
00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:02.099
What about this one?

927
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:13.139
So this is season three, episode 16, which is not very far away from where we've been reasonably recently. doctor's orders.

928
00:54:13.260 --> 00:54:16.380
Oh, it's a flux episode.

929
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:17.039
Of course it is.

930
00:54:17.099 --> 00:54:23.579
It's sort of the inferior version of the season one flux episode that they did, but it's a flux episode.

931
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:25.260
So it's very watchable.

932
00:54:25.380 --> 00:54:29.159
I kind of don't want to cut short the rolling process quite so early though.

933
00:54:29.219 --> 00:54:30.960
Okay, let's keep going.

934
00:54:31.019 --> 00:54:31.860
Let's do another one.

935
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:35.940
Oh, season 3 of Enterprise again.

936
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:39.179
Season three, episode seven, the shipment.

937
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:42.059
Sounds riveting, doesn't it?

938
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:43.139
No, I probably should again.

939
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:43.920
All right.

940
00:54:43.980 --> 00:54:45.960
Could you get us out of season three, please?

941
00:54:46.019 --> 00:55:01.019
Yeah, probably, but not before we get to your random Star Trek, the animated series, the magics of Megas 2, season one, episode eight, which could be absolutely fucking anything, couldn't it?

942
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:03.360
The magics of megas 2.

943
00:55:03.539 --> 00:55:07.619
That is amazing. magics with a K, can I just say?

944
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:11.159
I'm half tempted, you know.

945
00:55:11.219 --> 00:55:15.239
So he's his jammer's summary of it.

946
00:55:15.300 --> 00:55:27.840
The Enterprise travels to the centre of the galaxy where they find the known laws of reality no longer apply and are instead governed by magical beings, and I want you to guess how many stars Jammer gives it.

947
00:55:27.900 --> 00:55:30.960
Oh, half half a star?

948
00:55:31.019 --> 00:55:31.679
One.

949
00:55:31.739 --> 00:55:32.760
He gives it one star.

950
00:55:32.820 --> 00:55:34.019
Oh, let's watch it then.

951
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:34.380
Come on.

952
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:38.340
If he hates it, it's bound to be watchable.

953
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:39.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

954
00:55:39.780 --> 00:55:45.599
No, he does have a, you know, jam is very literal and he there's certain things that he likes Star Trek to be.

955
00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:49.079
He quite liked the last one we did, didn't he?

956
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:53.400
Remember when we were in that weird region of space where space was white and stars were black.

957
00:55:53.460 --> 00:55:59.519
Yeah, yeah, he didn't mind that one. always worth mentioning, I think, that he gave Bem 2.5 stars out of four.

958
00:55:59.579 --> 00:56:12.239
So, um, but I think the magics of Megas 2 sounds absolutely magnificent and uh, I'm willing to go to the very centre of the galaxy long before Star Trek 5 was even dreamed of.

959
00:56:12.300 --> 00:56:15.599
There's something I will say about the animated series, right?

960
00:56:15.659 --> 00:56:16.980
I mean, it's usually Drek.

961
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:19.860
But boy, oh boy, can they put a title on these episodes?

962
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:22.320
The counterclock incident?

963
00:56:22.380 --> 00:56:24.659
The magics of Megas 2, you know?

964
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:26.460
Do you know what?

965
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:30.780
The 1st one that we ever did was called the time trap.

966
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:34.800
And you remember that it had more or less the same premises, the void?

967
00:56:34.860 --> 00:56:40.739
You know, they're all stuck in a region of space and no one can escape.

968
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:49.980
I think the void would have been improved immeasurably if we'd had a scene where Jway had to run through the ship with a bomb and put it out the ejector plane.

969
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:51.719
Like Spock did in that episode.

970
00:56:51.780 --> 00:56:55.559
Or if they'd been a lady with no nose in it, that would have been great as well.

971
00:56:55.619 --> 00:56:58.199
No, no, she only appears in that one.

972
00:56:58.260 --> 00:56:59.340
Yeah, okay.

973
00:56:59.400 --> 00:56:59.760
All right.

974
00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:01.440
The magic's a...

975
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:02.699
God's sake, God help us.

976
00:57:09.420 --> 00:57:20.340
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

977
00:57:20.340 --> 00:57:25.380
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

978
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:30.480
This episode was recorded on the 25th of June 2024 and released on the 5th of July.

979
00:57:30.539 --> 00:57:35.760
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the animated series, the magics of Megas 2.

980
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:56.519
Two recordings.

981
00:57:56.579 --> 00:58:00.360
I only just have one, just in case I want to listen to it before the finished result comes out.

982
00:58:00.420 --> 00:58:01.679
Now we're ahead.

983
00:58:01.739 --> 00:58:04.260
I have to wait quite a bit to hear these back again, you know, so.

984
00:58:04.260 --> 00:58:05.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

985
00:58:05.579 --> 00:58:07.380
Although Angel one's finished.

986
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.900
So I have to finish this one tonight.

987
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:14.280
Otherwise I won't get the chance to not tonight, tomorrow night, tomorrow night.

988
00:58:14.340 --> 00:58:15.360
So will we have a gap?

989
00:58:15.420 --> 00:58:16.679
Yeah, we'll have what, one week out then?

990
00:58:16.739 --> 00:58:18.119
Yeah, yeah.

991
00:58:18.179 --> 00:58:20.400
So you're away next week, are you?

992
00:58:20.460 --> 00:58:29.639
Angel one comes out this Friday, and then the void comes out next Friday, and then there's a gap, and then we have to record when I get back.

993
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:36.300
Well, let's try when you're back, let's try and do 2, and then we'll make up for I'll be on holidays too, for a week.

994
00:58:36.900 --> 00:58:38.340
Still.

995
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:39.960
Okay, I'm ready.

996
00:58:40.019 --> 00:58:41.099
All right.

997
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:45.420
Hey, Joe. Hi.