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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are against all sensible advice heading back into series one of Star Trek the Next Generation this week, and not just series one of Star Trek the Next Generation, but an episode that is very widely disliked, and it's Angel one.

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It's written by Patrick Barry, who never does another Star Trek episode and directed by Michael Rhodes, who also never does another Star Trek episode.

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This is the one example of their work.

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Yeah?

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This is like the only example of their work that we're ever going to see. this podcast.

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Very unsurprising reason.

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So what did you think of this one?

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You say it's widely disliked by a lot of people, including me.

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Oh, God.

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How did they ever recover from this season?

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As each scene was playing out, I was like, do you know what, I just discovered today, Nation, that William Shatner's been at it again, it's on another Star Trek documentary series on Amazon Prime.

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No, this one's called Chaos on the Bridge.

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And he's got together all the creatives of series one and 2 of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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And it's all about the power struggles that were going on.

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Gene Robinbury trying to put his vision in, the studio exits, trying to get their vision in, and why, uh, frankly, I should have watched it before.

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I was talking.

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I sure we'll come back to one or 2 at some point. looks pretty amazing.

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Um, and I think that documentary.

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We'll probably explain why Angel one is quite as appalling as it is.

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Now, you said to me in a chat that you thought this was quite interesting.

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Well, I don't think it's an interesting episode.

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I think it's kind of mostly boring.

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I think there are 2 twists that are pretty good.

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I didn't see coming.

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Yeah, I think so.

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Um, so it's sort of functional in a way that's a manhunt is, like it is actually an episode of TV with a beginning, a middle, and an end.

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But I think it exposes.

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I think the reason that it's interesting, I love the end, it's over after that.

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I mean, you've said, out of beginning, a middle of an end, like most stories should.

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Bravo, Angel one.

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Well, yeah, but this era of Star Trek doesn't always manage that.

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That's right.

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We've watched a few, haven't we?

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all middle.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, you know, like, in some ways, it's a functional bit of drama, but I think the reason that it's interesting is that it exposes a problem with the way that Star Trek deals with social issues.

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And, well, all hair.

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No, very frequently.

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And the most serious analogue, I think, is probably the outcast, which will roll at some point.

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I think it's sort of important for the history of Star Trek.

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But what goes wrong in the outcast is what goes wrong here.

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I think you'll be quite angry when we do the outcast.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I like it as a kid because it, well, as a young man because I felt like this is about gay people and I'm one of those and I don't see that on TV very much and that's interesting that my show is doing it and it's doing it in a way that's generally supportive.

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But I think it's doing it in a way that's actually really very bad.

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And that's what's happening here too, because they can't do, um, they can't do sort of gender inequality.

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They can't do, you know, the oppression of one group of people by another group of people in any kind of wholehearted and proper way.

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And so what they do is they do it in a sort of science fiction way and they abstract it from its history.

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And in a B movie way.

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And we'll get there as well.

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I mean, it's clear.

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I think that this episode isn't here particularly to say anything interesting about patriarchy or chauvinism or anything.

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I think it's here because Roddenbury's really horny and, you know, like he wants to have big women, you know, like it's the planet of large women that you can have sex with and isn't that hot, you know, we've done that already with justice, right?

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Yeah, well, I thought it was less social commentary, more like, oh, aren't we brave?

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We've done a female dominated society, and they think that's enough that they've just done it without saying anything about it at all.

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No, and the resolution has really nothing to say about, you know, feminism and nothing to say about patriarchy and nothing to say about sort of gender politics that's in any way interesting.

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And in fact, by flipping the genders, by making it, the women who are the oppressors instead of the man, what we really get is a kind of, you know, bitches be crazy, you know, like the women are super unreasonable because that's what women are like.

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You know, the 2 the 2 head bitches, Mistress Mealsa.

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And what's the other woman's name with the big Ariel?

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And Ariel was it.

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Oh, wow.

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I was hoping that I was going to have a massive bitch fight somewhere in the episode and it ends.

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It never happened.

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I thought it was going to be, you know, like pulling hair handbags at dawn sort of thing, you know.

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But no, nothing.

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So do you know what I mean?

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The fact that Bayard is oppressive and wants to repress and execute the man, the wayward man who won't conform to their proper gender stereotypes.

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That isn't, you know, some systemic thing or some sort of giant problem thing.

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It's just women are really super unreasonable and just look at Bayata being like this.

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So it actually is misogynist.

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I think, um, while ostensibly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, trying to be about gender equality.

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And also, I think the assumption that the people on board the Enterprise are great heralds of gender equality is pretty rough, given that of the 8 main cast members, 2 of them are women or 3 of them are women, aren't they?

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Because we've still got Dasha at this point.

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But the highlights still are Riker, even though they're down on the back.

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Exactly.

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That's exactly right.

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You should be like, no, go away, Riker.

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We're going to only deal with Troy.

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We're going to give them something to do this week, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's right.

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Troy doesn't get to make the speech at the end.

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It's Riker who gets to make the speech, you know, like, and the speech is so empty of any content.

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Do you remember justice?

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They have a habit of doing these empty speeches at the end of the episode.

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But all I, like, just compare it to the speech that Captain Pike gives in the 1st episode of Strange New Worlds.

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He gives a big lecture to the alien society and it lands.

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That's right.

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It's a properly good speech, whereas this is terrible.

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And so, so I think that's a problem.

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I think the problem is that by making it space patriarchy or space matriarchy, it really takes anything interesting away from it.

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It has nothing really to comment on.

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Um, and so it just ends up being a bit crap, I think.

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I was so annoyed at the end because Mistress Ariel.

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Oh man, I'm so glad to say that.

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I'm not going to say it throughout the whole episode.

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It's just Ariel.

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She does sort of want to be told what to do by a man, doesn't she?

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She sort of found that.

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So that's icky.

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And then Mistress Bearta.

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Oh, mistress is so wonderful.

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Mistress Bearta is absolutely obsessed with Commander Riker, because he's a man in a position of authority.

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So when they go to bed together, she's like, oh, I'm so pleased to meet a man who knows what he wants.

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So she's utterly beguiled by it as well.

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Yeah, that's a real woman power. going on here.

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No, no, no.

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That's right.

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The moment one of our men come along.

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Do you know what I mean?

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to fuck some sense into me, it's just they are, you know, like, it's so bad.

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I mean, it really is super offensive.

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I have to say, though, in terms of, so recently, you and I did assignment Earth, and we said it perfectly encapsulated the 60s visually, you know?

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that fabulous style.

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Well, Enter Angel one, which encapsulates the 80s.

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Perfect, the hair, the clothes, everything.

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It is pure 1980s.

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And may I say how bold it was for Bonnie Tyler to take a role on Star Trek for this generation as Mistress B.R. said.

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I mean, the hair is incredible.

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The thing I love about the altar is like she has a habit of doing what I wish I could get away with in life, but don't.

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And that is before she makes a dramatic proclamation about something.

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She sort of stands up, goes across the room and then sort of switches her head around and then she makes it.

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She's all about being the big presence in the room.

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I think it's a really quite bad performance, but man, I couldn't take my eyes off her.

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Well, look, I think there's heaps of incidental sexism and appalling behaviour that we haven't even touched on.

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So let's go in and deal with it as it turns out.

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The most enlightened show on television series one of the next generation and it's flaunting sexism, racism.

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Homophobia in every direction.

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Just shockingly bad.

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Let's be ill-educated then, shall we?

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Okay, let's do it.

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I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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No, for that shot of the Enterprise.

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Little preamble there.

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We didn't even mention the flu subplot.

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Oh my god.

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I have a way to kind of make that work, but it would still be very bad, I think.

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I think they all know it's just an irrelevant subplot, you know, they're all just like, well, we're doing our bit this week.

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Although Nathan, what's that smell around you?

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That's right.

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It's kind of... like a Klingon perfume.

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Oh, data, will you set up, please?

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You're gonna do your backing.

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Yeah, I know.

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I think I think there are some actual little funny moments here too, that almost land that almost land.

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That's fashion is what it is. showing it?

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Yeah, almost lands.

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Yeah.

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I did ask you earlier on the chat, whether you thought Denise Crosby was ever truly comfortable in the skin of Tashi Yar, because I'm not sure she ever was.

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So, see this where, where data gives the complete thing down to the 2nd and Riker goes, thank you, data, in the middle of it, and he just goes, fuck you, I'm finishing it, and he just keeps going.

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It's really great.

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There is something about Denise's performance where she's holding back. something, like when you say she's uncomfortable.

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Like, There's something, I can see what it is about her performance that you're identifying, but I'm just not very good at talking about an actor's performances.

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There is something there that I can identify.

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You know, like I know what you're saying.

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I don't want to be here, but I'm going to do this because I'm being paid.

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Well, yeah, but you know, you can probably get that from Patrick Stewart, actually, in this episode, to be frank.

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For the 1st 2 seasons, yeah.

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No, but I don't get it from Marina Surtis.

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No, even though she's not very...

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No, she's terrible.

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But I feel like she's here for the long run, you know?

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Whereas I don't feel like Tachiaris.

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Yes.

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Yeah, there was a there was a few jokes flying about this 1st scene here.

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Yeah, yeah. didn't think were very funny at all.

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It wasn't sort of forager band, so I wasn't truly ghastly.

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No, I don't know.

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I mean, already this situation is ridiculous because it's a planet run by women and that's kind of ridiculous, but I do like that Deanna says, oh, that's like my planet at home.

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I thought that was good.

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Do you know what I mean?

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That normalises it.

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Maybe it means that there are other matriarchies as well.

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How long has it been since these people have gone missing?

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Seven years?

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So and what, they're looking for them now?

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Apparently.

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Oh, yeah.

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Do you remember those people that went missing 7?

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We better send someone after.

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And then the whole 1st 3rd of the episode is Mistress Biala going, hmm, maybe I'll tell you about them.

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Maybe I won't.

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Maybe I won't.

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And we do that like twice, I think.

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Ah dear.

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Yeah, so in terms of sort of like an opening premise.

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It's not the most enticing, is it?

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No.

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No.

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It's a dreadful episode, but I'm not sure if it's in the future or in the past.

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I think it's in the future.

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When the bowel breaks, which is a ghastly episode.

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But it does open with the magical planet of Aldea uncloaking in front of them, you know, and it's like, ooh, what's this?

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You know.

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But I mean, I guess this is just kind of telling us what sort of things that we can do still, you know, this is midway through season one.

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We still kind of seeing what sort of missions we're on.

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And here there's another mission coming up, which is a thing in the neutral zone.

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This is our 1st mention of the Romulans in Star Trek, the next generation.

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I'd forgotten how much they see did that, actually.

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Because there's a few mentions on the lead up to the last episode.

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But then they don't do anything with the Romulans at all, really, do they?

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No.

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Well, not until series five.

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I think they do eventually do things with wrong.

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And, you know, like there are some good episodes.

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What's the one with, um, what's a face from Quantum Leap?

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Um, Carolyn Seymour.

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So not just face of the anime before that.

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The one with the Atonian Gateway.

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Oh, yeah, there's a...

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Oh, the line's high with Jordan.

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We talk about that one quite a lot.

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Yeah.

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So I think the Romulans do eventually land.

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I think they're quite good adversaries now that the Klingons are our allies.

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It's quite a nice planet, you know.

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Clearly they've got lots of lush foliage on angel one.

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Well, that's just the new thing though.

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That's the new special effect.

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Where's the Crusher and his little mate?

225
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They're off, they're going skiing.

226
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Is that appropriate skiing gear, really?

227
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It's space skiing gear.

228
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Holy crap.

229
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That's so shit, isn't it?

230
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Like they go in there.

231
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It's a backdrop, a photographic backdrop.

232
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An incredibly shit kind of like attempt at some snow on the ground.

233
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They immediately run in there and start throwing the sawdust at each other or whatever.

234
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They call it is.

235
00:14:47.399 --> 00:14:48.960
They can't sort of move more than 2 metres.

236
00:14:49.019 --> 00:14:50.700
No, no, it's tiny.

237
00:14:50.700 --> 00:14:53.100
Yeah, yeah. tiny, tiny sand.

238
00:14:53.220 --> 00:14:54.539
Oh dude.

239
00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:59.220
You know, when they come out later and they throw that snowboard, Captain Picard, when it hits him.

240
00:14:59.279 --> 00:14:59.460
Yeah.

241
00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:02.340
Well, I thought things couldn't exist outside the holodeck.

242
00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:03.899
Well, they can for a little while.

243
00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:05.039
It's replicated, remember?

244
00:15:05.100 --> 00:15:06.000
It's just replicated.

245
00:15:06.059 --> 00:15:07.320
Okay, yeah, fair.

246
00:15:07.379 --> 00:15:11.039
Oh, here we go. the little twink on the left with the long black hair.

247
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He's cute.

248
00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:12.600
See him?

249
00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:13.320
think he's cute.

250
00:15:13.379 --> 00:15:15.659
Trent can just fuck off though.

251
00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:17.399
I hate Trent.

252
00:15:17.460 --> 00:15:19.980
You've got some serious issues with this man.

253
00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:20.759
I do.

254
00:15:20.820 --> 00:15:24.059
So pretty guy with the long black hair who's in this shot.

255
00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:26.100
Now there's Trent in the other shot.

256
00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:28.080
Little whipping boy.

257
00:15:28.139 --> 00:15:29.639
Yeah, little whipping point.

258
00:15:29.700 --> 00:15:40.980
Now, Trent actually does reappear in, he's in a Voyager episode, but he is also famously Lal on the holodeck in the offspring.

259
00:15:41.100 --> 00:15:42.659
You can see it, can't you?

260
00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:43.559
Yep, you can.

261
00:15:43.620 --> 00:15:44.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

262
00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:47.940
Well, when he's when he's just sort of like the robot version.

263
00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:49.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

264
00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:53.759
Yeah, he hasn't chosen his gender or species yet.

265
00:15:53.820 --> 00:15:55.200
Who was he, Voyager?

266
00:15:55.259 --> 00:15:56.580
Oh, I don't know.

267
00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:58.500
Okay, some asshole.

268
00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:00.779
I'm in and out of these shows, don't they?

269
00:16:00.899 --> 00:16:02.100
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

270
00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:10.379
I love all of the, um, the sticky out shoulder pads that everybody's got.

271
00:16:10.500 --> 00:16:16.320
I've not seen such dramatic clothing since the Horns of Naimon from Doctor Who.

272
00:16:16.379 --> 00:16:20.879
So the women are meant to be vegan strong, but they have the skinniest arms ever.

273
00:16:20.940 --> 00:16:24.480
And those outfits, make their arms look even skinnier.

274
00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:26.399
She's got her...

275
00:16:26.460 --> 00:16:29.279
Yeah, look, I am a bit distracted by that guy, I have to say.

276
00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:34.200
Oh, no, please tell me you don't like those outfits that they're wearing.

277
00:16:34.259 --> 00:16:35.759
No, no, no, I think they're cute.

278
00:16:35.820 --> 00:16:39.360
With the one flap that opens, it exposes part of the chest.

279
00:16:39.419 --> 00:16:40.139
Yeah, nipple.

280
00:16:40.139 --> 00:16:42.659
Yeah, no, they're just a little bit.

281
00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:48.059
Well, I think Trent, because he's so completely hairless, is actually a little bit off putting.

282
00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:50.759
He doesn't do anything for me at all.

283
00:16:50.820 --> 00:16:52.919
I think he was sexier as well.

284
00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:54.000
I don't know about this. guy.

285
00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:56.879
Oh, Mistress Bearta.

286
00:16:56.940 --> 00:16:58.320
Your hair is incredible.

287
00:16:58.379 --> 00:16:59.519
So amazing.

288
00:16:59.580 --> 00:17:04.019
I feel like she could be in like a Timothée advert or something like that, you know, because she's worth it.

289
00:17:05.460 --> 00:17:14.279
Oh, there is a wonderful moment because when they put they force Riker into one of these garbs, yeah, with the flap open exposing his chest.

290
00:17:14.339 --> 00:17:18.599
But clearly, like Jonathan Frakes has gone, well, look, make me look really muscly.

291
00:17:18.660 --> 00:17:20.640
So give me one that's a bit too small.

292
00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:22.920
So all my chest is bursting out of this thing.

293
00:17:22.980 --> 00:17:30.119
The 2nd Denise Crosby and Marina Surtis see him in it, they both piss themselves laughing, don't they?

294
00:17:30.180 --> 00:17:36.660
I will talk about that because that's a very formative moment for me that...

295
00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:37.680
Yeah, I'm afraid so.

296
00:17:38.940 --> 00:17:41.279
Is he still your type now?

297
00:17:41.339 --> 00:17:53.099
No, not at all, but I do like a hairy chest and when I was young and closeted and that was really quite a striking image as far as I was concerned.

298
00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:54.900
It's just a lot, doesn't it?

299
00:17:54.960 --> 00:18:00.420
You was looking at Riker and young me was looking at Wesley Crusher. that's right.

300
00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:01.559
It's an age different.

301
00:18:01.619 --> 00:18:04.440
Why say sorry about our taste now as well, you know?

302
00:18:04.740 --> 00:18:07.019
Oh, bloody hell.

303
00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:07.980
Back to the Enterprise.

304
00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:09.180
Has anyone got the flu??

305
00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:10.079
Oh no, this is a bit weird.

306
00:18:10.140 --> 00:18:11.819
No, this is where the snowball comes in.

307
00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:13.019
The flu happens.

308
00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:15.839
See, I think Worf is kind of funny in this.

309
00:18:15.900 --> 00:18:17.700
There's a moment in the very 1st scene.

310
00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:18.779
Oh, here we go.

311
00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:19.380
Yep.

312
00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:21.420
So he's the snow hit.

313
00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:22.799
Little mate, doesn't even get a line.

314
00:18:22.859 --> 00:18:26.880
No, no, no, no, his little mates not being paid to say anything.

315
00:18:26.940 --> 00:18:28.500
He's not even being paid to look...

316
00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:30.119
You notice how, there's one or two.

317
00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:32.400
They love getting stuff all over Picard's uniform.

318
00:18:32.460 --> 00:18:34.980
Do you remember Sonya Naff and the hot chocolate?

319
00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:37.559
Lucioneff playing Sonya Gomez?

320
00:18:37.619 --> 00:18:38.519
Oh, sorry.

321
00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:39.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

322
00:18:39.299 --> 00:18:40.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

323
00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:40.980
Yeah.

324
00:18:40.980 --> 00:18:41.880
Sonya Nap.

325
00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:49.019
Sonia and F. Oh, there's a she's back now, Dex, you know, Captain Gomez writes you about it.

326
00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:54.599
The bit where they get in the turbo lift and the 2 of them just stare out waiting for the door to shut.

327
00:18:54.660 --> 00:18:58.559
It's just everything about it, the way it's acted, the way it's directed.

328
00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:00.720
It's so robotic.

329
00:19:00.779 --> 00:19:01.500
Watch them.

330
00:19:02.099 --> 00:19:03.900
Yeah, yeah.

331
00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:05.759
They don't even look at each other.

332
00:19:05.819 --> 00:19:07.319
They don't even talk...

333
00:19:07.380 --> 00:19:08.819
Will's not having a facial expression.

334
00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:11.039
So this stuff is stupid, isn't it?

335
00:19:11.099 --> 00:19:16.140
Like why Data hasn't heard of perfume and doesn't know the word aphrodisiac?

336
00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:17.279
Do you know what I mean?

337
00:19:17.339 --> 00:19:18.000
Like, what is that?

338
00:19:18.059 --> 00:19:22.259
Like, that's always had a database of all human intellects in his head.

339
00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:22.920
Yeah, yeah.

340
00:19:22.980 --> 00:19:30.779
Like, I can just about get, you know, understand that he might not know slang or something, but how does he not know a word like aphrodisiac?

341
00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:32.039
God.

342
00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:35.279
Afridiziac is used to stimulate and enhold sexual pleasure.

343
00:19:35.339 --> 00:19:41.579
See, this is all this horny roddenberry shit as well. which just is so like look at the way they're looking at each other.

344
00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:42.839
Trent, fuck off.

345
00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:43.619
Go away.

346
00:19:45.420 --> 00:19:50.880
And then he comes in and starts spraying the perfume on himself for some reason.

347
00:19:50.940 --> 00:19:53.940
Is that to show that the men are a bit feminine in this world?

348
00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:55.140
Yeah, yeah, I think so.

349
00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:56.039
I think so.

350
00:19:56.099 --> 00:19:59.759
There are better ways of doing that, sort of more subtle ways.

351
00:19:59.819 --> 00:20:01.200
Yeah.

352
00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:02.160
Yeah.

353
00:20:02.220 --> 00:20:05.519
Oh, can we talk about this backdrop out the window, please?

354
00:20:05.579 --> 00:20:06.779
Oh my god.

355
00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:08.940
Yeah, aren't there rocks out the window?

356
00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:09.900
We're in a city.

357
00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:11.460
In a city.

358
00:20:11.460 --> 00:20:13.200
We've seen them at painting.

359
00:20:13.259 --> 00:20:13.980
I've ever seen.

360
00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:15.480
Awful.

361
00:20:15.539 --> 00:20:20.400
Oh my god, you can actually see Riker's chest hair sort of bursting out his uniform there.

362
00:20:20.460 --> 00:20:21.779
It's good, isn't it?

363
00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:23.160
He's all man, Nathan.

364
00:20:23.220 --> 00:20:23.940
He is.

365
00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.880
Oh, yeah, like in these trees.

366
00:20:26.940 --> 00:20:28.380
It's so bad isn't it?

367
00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:36.059
Like, you know, you could go to a, a, like, couldn't you just go to an office block or a hotel or something?

368
00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:47.039
Do you remember an enterprise where they go to that miserable cheap conference room in that sort of crappy holiday inn in order to, you know, for the final 2nd or the 2nd last episode?

369
00:20:47.099 --> 00:20:48.420
At least they're outside.

370
00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:49.799
This is so terrible.

371
00:20:49.859 --> 00:20:54.839
Can I just please watch Mrs. Bearta and how she tosses her head with every line?

372
00:20:54.900 --> 00:21:00.299
Her hair sort of moves dramatically, but she's drunk on power, this woman.

373
00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:02.819
With that skinny armed woman.

374
00:21:04.859 --> 00:21:06.539
What is it?

375
00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:08.460
I'll do the line for a far beyond the scars.

376
00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:12.960
Her arms may be skinny, but her hair is art.

377
00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:20.759
I mean, I think the shampoo supplies on Angel one must be through the roof, you know.

378
00:21:20.819 --> 00:21:22.619
They must have to have it all shipped in.

379
00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:24.420
Yeah, yeah, but look at the guards.

380
00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:27.839
The guards, women aren't wearing makeup and they don't have massive 80s hair.

381
00:21:27.900 --> 00:21:30.059
You know, they've just got slicked back hair.

382
00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:30.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

383
00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:31.740
Yeah, the guy.

384
00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:36.299
They told it gay, because they're in, you know, oh, okay, they're like lesbians.

385
00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:36.720
Yeah.

386
00:21:37.740 --> 00:21:46.259
Oh, here's Kate, the fact you can see now, Maurice Hurley's watching the Russians coming in at this episode going, now, get rid of her in series two.

387
00:21:46.380 --> 00:21:49.259
I mean, she's not great in this, is she?

388
00:21:49.380 --> 00:21:50.519
Well, no.

389
00:21:50.579 --> 00:21:52.440
But you know, look at the material.

390
00:21:52.500 --> 00:22:05.160
I think I think what might have sold this is, and it may be the original idea is that they've never had the cold before.

391
00:22:05.220 --> 00:22:06.539
They've never had a cold.

392
00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:10.619
You know, the cold, the common cold has been cured because it's the 21st century.

393
00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:13.440
No one ever gets respiratory viruses anymore.

394
00:22:13.500 --> 00:22:16.559
And so we see the ship laid low by the common cold.

395
00:22:16.619 --> 00:22:24.720
And that's at least a hook to give that plot something, but it's still just shit.

396
00:22:24.779 --> 00:22:28.559
You know, like a number of episodes where people are sick.

397
00:22:28.619 --> 00:22:30.839
Oh yeah, yeah, but that doesn't matter.

398
00:22:30.900 --> 00:22:33.000
This is just in this context. you know what I mean?

399
00:22:33.059 --> 00:22:36.900
We're learning what the 24th century is like in this season.

400
00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:38.220
It's one of the things they do.

401
00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:43.859
It's one of the reasons why they waste time on stuff that you would never waste time on, you know, in a later episode.

402
00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:51.240
But you can't win with it because you can't play, well, everyone on Earth Price gets as cold as drama, which is what they try and do.

403
00:22:51.299 --> 00:22:52.500
Yeah, it's dismal.

404
00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:55.799
But then you can't sort of underplay it because it's like, well, then what are we doing?

405
00:22:55.859 --> 00:22:58.079
But you play it for comedy.

406
00:22:58.140 --> 00:23:03.779
So you have sneezing wharf and you have everyone kind of shitty at their job because they've got a cold.

407
00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:08.279
Yeah, like sneezes are so loud, they reverberate around the ship.

408
00:23:08.339 --> 00:23:10.619
Well, you know that's nearly a joke.

409
00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:11.880
That's approaching a joke.

410
00:23:11.940 --> 00:23:14.099
It's closest to a joke that this episode gets.

411
00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:17.819
It's certainly much better than the crap joke at the end, which is so bad.

412
00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:24.000
There was one wonderful bit, you know, where La Forge sat in the command share for the 1st time and looked so proud that he was there.

413
00:23:24.059 --> 00:23:24.839
I did like that.

414
00:23:24.900 --> 00:23:25.559
I love that.

415
00:23:25.619 --> 00:23:26.640
The music is really good.

416
00:23:26.700 --> 00:23:32.339
And then Worf later, when Worf says, no, no, don't go to engineering and fix the thing, other people can do that.

417
00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:33.240
You stay here.

418
00:23:33.299 --> 00:23:34.799
And Worf appreciates it.

419
00:23:34.859 --> 00:23:35.579
All right, all right.

420
00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:46.440
So this scene is offensive because the women laugh at him dressing in a gender non-conforming way.

421
00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:52.380
And he doesn't give a shit because he's a man and he's secure in his sexuality.

422
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:53.640
He's quite happy to wear this.

423
00:23:53.700 --> 00:23:57.359
He doesn't think it's any different from wearing feathers on Armist 9 or whatever.

424
00:23:57.420 --> 00:23:59.279
Armist 9 as well.

425
00:23:59.339 --> 00:24:00.660
Like, I don't know what that is.

426
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:05.819
Are you sure it's because it's a non-conformist gender costume or just a fucking ridiculous costume?

427
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:07.019
No, no, either.

428
00:24:07.019 --> 00:24:08.880
Look at what they're wearing.

429
00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:10.140
Look at what Troy's wearing.

430
00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:11.579
She's hardly in a position.

431
00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:12.480
Do you know what I mean?

432
00:24:12.539 --> 00:24:15.059
Like, it's not that they object ridiculous clothes.

433
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:16.920
He does look stupid though.

434
00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:18.299
Oh, no, no.

435
00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:18.779
Yeah.

436
00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:26.160
Look, he does he does a bit, but I do think that they're laughing at him because he's not, you know, not being gender conforming.

437
00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:29.519
And I think that's sort of means what you would ever do in the room.

438
00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:30.779
Exactly right.

439
00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:31.980
He's a grown-up about it.

440
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:33.359
He's not being a dickhead about it.

441
00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:35.160
Oh, he says me?

442
00:24:35.220 --> 00:24:37.980
I wore feathers on that other planet and you didn't laugh at me then.

443
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:39.299
Armist nine.

444
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:40.500
Yeah, I noticed that.

445
00:24:41.099 --> 00:24:44.940
They must have had the word arm was flying around the office somewhere.

446
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:46.259
Yeah.

447
00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:50.220
Oh, this scene between James McFadden and Patrick Stewart.

448
00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:54.720
I think I sent you the clip where she's like, you are not able to work, Jean-Bu.

449
00:24:54.779 --> 00:24:55.380
You are sick.

450
00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:57.299
Please go to bed.

451
00:24:57.359 --> 00:24:59.759
He's like, doctor, I've got a ship to run.

452
00:24:59.819 --> 00:25:04.500
I'm like, when I said to you earlier, how did they ever recover from this?

453
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:05.579
It seems like that.

454
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:08.759
Well, I'm like, what, what are they doing?

455
00:25:08.819 --> 00:25:09.900
What are they trying to do?

456
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:10.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

457
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:20.579
But that's the only thing I can imagine is that the thing is the ships brought low by a common cold and that's not, you know, that's something that we wouldn't care about.

458
00:25:20.700 --> 00:25:22.440
That's what a great story, is it?

459
00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:24.839
No, it's not great, but it's certainly better than this.

460
00:25:24.900 --> 00:25:27.480
Like, there seems to be no reason for this at all.

461
00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:32.880
Oh, look, LeVar, he's probably...

462
00:25:33.660 --> 00:25:35.160
Wolf giving him the advice as well.

463
00:25:35.220 --> 00:25:39.059
Geordie, nice. you know, there's other people that can do that for you now.

464
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:39.720
You're in charge.

465
00:25:39.779 --> 00:25:40.559
I think it's really good.

466
00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:42.359
Oh, God almighty.

467
00:25:42.539 --> 00:25:45.900
See, I'm laughing now.

468
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.140
No, he's nothing for me.

469
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:49.920
I'm afraid.

470
00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:54.000
No, no, he doesn't do anything for me even now, but like now, no.

471
00:25:54.059 --> 00:25:59.519
But at the time, like, that is one hell of a good hairy chest, I have to say.

472
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:01.200
If that was Avery Brooks right now.

473
00:26:01.259 --> 00:26:02.700
Now, you might be talking.

474
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:03.240
Okay?

475
00:26:03.299 --> 00:26:04.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

476
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:06.779
No, I mean, he doesn't do anything for me particularly.

477
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:15.000
I mean, but I do think he's a lovely man and like, yeah, like they come off as just looking stupid and trivial.

478
00:26:15.059 --> 00:26:16.200
Do you know what I mean?

479
00:26:16.259 --> 00:26:16.680
The women.

480
00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:18.059
And that's...

481
00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:20.700
That's all he's bad on the actresses, but it's nothing to do with them.

482
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:21.839
It's just this terrible script.

483
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:25.259
No, but this is just like women are crap.

484
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:25.980
Do you know what I mean?

485
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:26.759
Women are stupid.

486
00:26:26.819 --> 00:26:31.740
He's noble and self-assured and stuff and they're being trivial and laughing at his clothes.

487
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:33.960
I just think that makes them look stupid.

488
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:36.000
Oh my god.

489
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.640
You had your opportunity to object to Ariel.

490
00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:40.799
You were in the minority.

491
00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:43.619
It's like listen to Shakespeare, isn't it?

492
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:45.599
That ear thing is bad.

493
00:26:45.660 --> 00:26:49.079
I have to say the ear thing that Riker is wearing is very bad.

494
00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:51.960
It's a bit like their Bajoran earring, isn't it?

495
00:26:52.019 --> 00:26:53.460
Yeah, but crapper though.

496
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:53.880
Look at it.

497
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.160
Actually, now I'm looking at it more closely.

498
00:26:56.220 --> 00:26:57.539
You know, that's sort of silks and that.

499
00:26:57.599 --> 00:26:58.500
They're quite rich, aren't they?

500
00:26:58.619 --> 00:26:59.700
I don't think it's terrible.

501
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:00.539
I think it's all right.

502
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:02.519
Oh, it's just the way its chest is out.

503
00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:06.720
Yeah, yeah, it's all right. run your hands through that.

504
00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:07.559
That's okay.

505
00:27:07.619 --> 00:27:11.279
It's always, it's certainly in series one and two.

506
00:27:11.339 --> 00:27:13.259
They tone it down from 3 onwards.

507
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:15.960
He's always exerting his masculinity, isn't he?

508
00:27:16.019 --> 00:27:16.559
In every scene.

509
00:27:16.619 --> 00:27:18.119
Every posture.

510
00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:19.740
He carries himself.

511
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:20.400
Yeah.

512
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:22.619
Yeah.

513
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:28.740
I wondered, you know, if they weren't a little bit jealous, Troy and Y'all, in this.

514
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.980
I thought they were doing a bit of that when they're mocking him.

515
00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:34.019
Because there's another episode.

516
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:39.359
There's another episode where he fucks somebody and y'all gets a bit a bit off about it.

517
00:27:39.420 --> 00:27:42.059
Well, in fact, he even calls him on it, doesn't he?

518
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:45.779
Is this is the issue that it's Mistress Beardo and she's a beautiful woman?

519
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.119
You know, is that the is that the problem that you have?

520
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.059
They should have said, no, you just look really silly.

521
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:58.380
I don't know There is a way they could have laughed and it could have worked.

522
00:27:58.500 --> 00:28:00.000
But you're right.

523
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:00.960
Yeah, they could have.

524
00:28:01.019 --> 00:28:04.019
Yeah, it just seems petty, you know.

525
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:18.839
Okay, so, uh, Yar and Troy now are going to be doing the investigations because Mrs. Bearta says, you know, are your women incapable of carrying out the investigation without you, whilst I bonk you senseless?

526
00:28:18.900 --> 00:28:20.940
Yeah, no, but he's made the point.

527
00:28:21.059 --> 00:28:22.440
He said we're equal.

528
00:28:22.500 --> 00:28:28.680
And of course, as we've seen, you know, the gender politics on board the Enterprise, like terrible.

529
00:28:28.740 --> 00:28:31.799
Nathan, you've got to watch this whip pan now around the set.

530
00:28:31.859 --> 00:28:32.700
It's so bad.

531
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:34.559
Watch the camera move around.

532
00:28:34.619 --> 00:28:34.980
Ready?

533
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:38.279
Oh, that is bad.

534
00:28:38.339 --> 00:28:39.839
That's really terrible.

535
00:28:39.900 --> 00:28:48.539
And who's this fucking MacGyver ass looking bastard. like Richard Dean Anderson, doesn't it?

536
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:49.079
It does.

537
00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:50.460
It's so bad.

538
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:52.259
He's so hideous.

539
00:28:52.319 --> 00:29:00.900
So this is his only Star Trek as well, but he has a long history of being in literally everything ever in 80s television.

540
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.539
See, then... she wrote.

541
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:04.619
I'm sure he did.

542
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:05.880
He probably did.

543
00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:07.619
He did some moonlighting and stuff.

544
00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:11.400
Diagnosis murder, all of them, the daytime TV shows.

545
00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:16.019
So why does he want to stay because he's falling in love with Mistress Ariel?

546
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:17.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

547
00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:19.740
Is she mistress Ariel or just Ariel?

548
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:21.420
I don't know. don't know.

549
00:29:22.259 --> 00:29:24.420
Just to give her some respect.

550
00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:25.799
Yeah, I think.

551
00:29:25.859 --> 00:29:27.299
Okay, she's his best Biata.

552
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:29.460
He's in a situation of peril, is he?

553
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:31.920
Or are they just being left to stay in the cave?

554
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.019
So they're high.

555
00:29:34.019 --> 00:29:35.220
Why am I asking these questions?

556
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:45.180
So they're hiding out because they've clearly fallen foul of the authorities because they've started advocating for men's rights.

557
00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:53.640
And so they've gone into hiding and aerial has a secret relationship with fucking MacGyver.

558
00:29:53.700 --> 00:30:01.200
Um, and, um, and so she sneaks out and sees him and stuff.

559
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:02.279
So that's where they're hiding.

560
00:30:02.339 --> 00:30:04.619
They kind of political refugees and stuff.

561
00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:07.559
But, but, you know, they don't know where they are.

562
00:30:07.619 --> 00:30:08.460
That's the thing.

563
00:30:08.579 --> 00:30:12.779
That Bayata doesn't know where they are, so can't get hold of them.

564
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:20.220
And for me, I think the twist was that when we arrive, they say we don't want to go.

565
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:20.819
Do you know what I mean?

566
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:26.519
We just assume, of course, that they want to go, but they've put down roots and that's a surprise.

567
00:30:26.579 --> 00:30:31.920
And it's supposed to be a twist as well, that Vicious Ariel's in a relationship with one of them.

568
00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:33.059
Yeah, that's much more boring.

569
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.039
That's been signposted quite a bit.

570
00:30:35.099 --> 00:30:37.799
It goes it goes somewhere a bit different.

571
00:30:37.859 --> 00:30:42.359
It's kind of like, no, we don't want to go, and it turns out that you can do nothing to make us go.

572
00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:44.700
And I think that's kind of interesting.

573
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:45.779
That was a surprise.

574
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:51.539
And then when they come back and say, look, sorry, we can't take them.

575
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.960
We said we would, but we didn't realise that they would want to stay.

576
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.559
She says, all right, well, I'm going to execute them.

577
00:30:58.680 --> 00:30:59.880
And that was a surprise as well.

578
00:30:59.940 --> 00:31:04.680
Like, I thought both of those were decent twists in what is a pretty mean.

579
00:31:04.740 --> 00:31:05.460
We got know these people.

580
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:06.900
No, we don't.

581
00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:07.859
There's no impact on anything.

582
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:10.319
Like why is any of this relevant to anything at all?

583
00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:13.079
What is it telling us about our regular characters?

584
00:31:13.140 --> 00:31:15.119
You know, what are we learning about anybody in this?

585
00:31:15.180 --> 00:31:18.119
No, no, no, but that's not what this show is doing.

586
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.460
It's about how he's the mission going.

587
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:22.140
Yeah, but then not doing it yet.

588
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:26.099
And they're still mostly about what the mission is.

589
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:27.480
Like how does the mission go?

590
00:31:27.539 --> 00:31:30.720
So these are too surprising obstacles for our mission, I guess.

591
00:31:30.779 --> 00:31:34.980
What a very nice sort of flowery mandala on the...

592
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:35.220
Yeah.

593
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:38.099
Did you notice the sort of crystal lamp in the caves as well?

594
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:41.220
It was a bit out of place, sort of hanging down from stone.

595
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:42.779
There we go.

596
00:31:43.500 --> 00:31:48.779
She's got a very small room given she's sort of leader of this huge grand world.

597
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:53.339
Just a tiny, tiny corner of the studio.

598
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:57.720
It's like you say, it's like some dreary old back alley travel lodge.

599
00:31:57.779 --> 00:31:59.220
It really?

600
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:00.779
It's smaller than that.

601
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:02.099
Like, yeah, yeah.

602
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:13.440
To be fair, I should, I should, you know, um, I should be able to appreciate these scenes because I've spent a few times, you know, in back alley travel lodges having it off with.

603
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:18.720
I mean, I always find it's really odd though. really really odd.

604
00:32:18.779 --> 00:32:19.980
I found it odd with Kirk.

605
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:32.640
I find it odd with Riker that even though I know she wants to fuck, she wants to be fucked, Mistress Bearta, that these people can go on these missions and just beam down and have sex with the leaders of the planets.

606
00:32:32.700 --> 00:32:39.180
But even... is that how Ambassador will... duties happen on this planet.

607
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:40.740
Like, people get to do it.

608
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:56.039
Captain Pike does it in series, one of Strange New Worlds, in one of the episodes that you haven't seen, Lift Us, where Suffering cannot reach, or whatever it's called, which is a really good episode, and he has a lead of a planet that he fucks as well. relations might be there might be some sort of issues there.

609
00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:57.299
Well they do talk about that.

610
00:32:57.359 --> 00:32:58.920
They actually do talk about that.

611
00:32:58.980 --> 00:33:00.900
I actually love that line.

612
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:02.819
I have to say, will you respect me in the morning?

613
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:04.019
She goes, yes, I hope so.

614
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:07.019
Oh, Trent, fuck off, honestly, what are you doing?

615
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.839
Well, no, I don't get this. because...

616
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:12.720
It looks like they're about to have it off.

617
00:33:12.779 --> 00:33:14.519
He walks in handsome this.

618
00:33:14.579 --> 00:33:16.980
They play with it for a bit and then they have it off anyway.

619
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:18.900
It's just killing time this, isn't it?

620
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.299
This is what is this important?

621
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:22.680
he's jealous.

622
00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:26.700
Maybe he does look a little bit downcast, doesn't he?

623
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:27.960
I don't know what that is.

624
00:33:28.019 --> 00:33:28.980
Crystal.

625
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.920
No, that's a very expensive prop.

626
00:33:31.980 --> 00:33:33.119
They put a light bulb in it.

627
00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:33.960
She's super impressed.

628
00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:37.380
This is the sort of thing my other raft takes to piss out all the time.

629
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:43.140
I could just see him now going, oh, thank you, Commander Rikerfel. this amazing gift that you brought to our planet.

630
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:44.819
That's right.

631
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:45.599
Very impressive.

632
00:33:45.660 --> 00:33:47.099
Look, it lines up.

633
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:48.660
Now I'm going to repay.

634
00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:49.980
I must repay.

635
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:51.900
But what does that mean, in kind?

636
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:53.099
She's going to give him a crystal?

637
00:33:53.220 --> 00:33:54.660
What's happening?

638
00:33:54.779 --> 00:33:57.000
Very chaste kiss as well, isn't it?

639
00:33:57.059 --> 00:33:57.359
You know?

640
00:33:57.420 --> 00:34:02.819
No, she was properly getting, like, rubbing his, um, rubbing his chest. yeah.

641
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:04.259
Yeah, well, you would, wouldn't you?

642
00:34:04.619 --> 00:34:05.460
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

643
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:09.179
Shut up, Richard Dean Anderson, you fucking asshole.

644
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:10.079
What's happening?

645
00:34:10.139 --> 00:34:13.260
My point is, okay, is that when you have sex with somebody?

646
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.320
The relationship changes a lot.

647
00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:23.159
You know, this is this is the 24th century and it's post-jealousy, just horny sex.

648
00:34:23.219 --> 00:34:25.079
It's uh, that's that's the thing.

649
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:30.300
Well, I think that this is the absolute motivation.

650
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.119
It is, you know, sex with large women.

651
00:34:33.179 --> 00:34:44.219
And like Mr. Ramsey actually says, you know, the women I hear are beautiful and strong and sexy and stuff and that was really great for a while and then they started not giving me the vote and, you know, telling me to shut up.

652
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:48.000
And that was terrible and I couldn't tolerate that.

653
00:34:48.059 --> 00:34:59.039
You know, um, And all of that political stuff is just this sort of weird background to the fact that it's the planet where you get to have sex with Mistress Bayata, essentially.

654
00:34:59.099 --> 00:35:00.179
Geo, isn't it?

655
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:00.840
isn't that icky?

656
00:35:00.900 --> 00:35:02.099
Yeah, it is icky.

657
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:08.519
So this, there, TV tropes has a name for the trope where you go to a planet and it's run by women.

658
00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:10.500
Is there something called TV troops?

659
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. take it on.com.

660
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.599
It's actually a thing. it's worth looking at.

661
00:35:15.659 --> 00:35:16.559
What was it called?

662
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:19.079
It's called Ladyland.

663
00:35:22.619 --> 00:35:26.519
We do too many ladylands, do we, in Star Trek?

664
00:35:26.579 --> 00:35:28.139
There's a few Star Trek.

665
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:35.099
But it is a sort of thing that happens and it almost always is about how crazy women are.

666
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.199
It's not about how gender.

667
00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:43.739
It's that's because the proper kind of gender inequality is when men tell women what to do.

668
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:51.119
That's normal and not crazy, but when women are telling men what to do, you know, that's terrible and outrageous.

669
00:35:51.179 --> 00:35:53.460
And that's what the outcast does as well.

670
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:54.300
Remember?

671
00:35:54.360 --> 00:36:12.599
The outcast is, it's a planet where heterosexuality is forbidden, and it's enforced by a, a large group of humourless lesbians who persecute the hapless straight people, and that's our pro-gay message episode of Star Trek, the next generation.

672
00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:13.559
It's terrible.

673
00:36:13.619 --> 00:36:24.300
Well, you know, recently we did far beyond the stars, which was all about a writer in the 50s, dreaming of a better future, where, you know, black people get to be in positions of power and space.

674
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:32.039
And here we are in 1987 in Star Trek, the Next Generation, dreaming of a future where women might actually be in charge.

675
00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:33.119
I mean, it's...

676
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.699
So that's the thing, though.

677
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:36.840
Do you know what I mean?

678
00:36:36.900 --> 00:36:41.940
Like you can do a, you can do a kind of allegory of racism.

679
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:49.739
You can do something like that, let that be your last battlefield. um The strategism of racism.

680
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:51.539
Oh, yeah, this is racism.

681
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.820
Do they do they ever do it well?

682
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.960
Yeah, yeah, turn that intro is great.

683
00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:02.099
Shut up.

684
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:07.199
No, but like what happens is this no longer is an issue, is it?

685
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:15.000
Now, in Kurtzman Trek, because women are just equals and hugely competent and fabulous, you know?

686
00:37:15.059 --> 00:37:26.579
Well, in fact, in fact, still, I think Strange New Worlds is the 1st Star Trek series to have more women than men in the opening titles.

687
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:31.619
You know, but it's still run by, you know, like 2 men.

688
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:36.360
Oh, well, Una's the 2nd in command, but you've got Spock and Pike.

689
00:37:36.420 --> 00:37:47.519
It's worth noting, you know, when Doctor Who threatens to Planet of the Women in Prison in Space and Mission to Magnus, both times, they were cut short.

690
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:54.059
Because, yeah, yeah, we know enough about what those would have been like and they would have been horrific.

691
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:56.099
Trent, can you fuck off?

692
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:57.000
Get out.

693
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:58.800
Honestly, every time.

694
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:00.480
I always find it very strange.

695
00:38:00.539 --> 00:38:04.860
This is going to sound awful when very short people are sort of muscled like that.

696
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:08.820
I think that's cute, but I don't think trend is cute though.

697
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:10.199
No, trend is not cute.

698
00:38:10.260 --> 00:38:12.840
I'm not really sure there's anyone too cute in this.

699
00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:15.360
Well, Tasha's pretty cute, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

700
00:38:15.420 --> 00:38:18.239
Oh, I could put that hairy chest away.

701
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:19.800
No, I'm watching it.

702
00:38:19.860 --> 00:38:20.400
Shut up.

703
00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:21.599
I'm watching the heritage.

704
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:27.239
I love how flakes are so unfazed by all of them.

705
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:32.219
But that's actually, that's, I look amazing.

706
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:33.659
Why shouldn't everyone see me?

707
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:34.980
But that's it.

708
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:45.659
I think, you know, the bits of Riker that are freaks, you know, the things that we love about Riker that are also the things that we love about our parasocial relationship with John Frakes.

709
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:50.460
I think it works. way better when they tone that avert masculinity down.

710
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:52.199
And he's charming.

711
00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:54.480
He's so much more attractive when he's charming.

712
00:38:54.539 --> 00:38:59.039
I think Stuart has said, if Jonathan could get his shirt...

713
00:38:59.099 --> 00:39:01.199
I'm sorry, I'm going to get lied out in this episode.

714
00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:02.519
He's been working out.

715
00:39:02.579 --> 00:39:14.519
What's your excuse Well, I mean, I mean, to be fair, Nathan, I'll be happy with a body like that. don't get me wrong Patrick Stewart's about your age, I think. in this episode.

716
00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:18.960
By the time we get to 1st contact, you know, when he's topless.

717
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:22.199
And he's hanging from the ceiling. looks fantastic.

718
00:39:22.260 --> 00:39:25.260
They've got him a personal trainer by that for him.

719
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:26.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

720
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:27.360
You know, he's shredded.

721
00:39:27.420 --> 00:39:28.019
But you know what?

722
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:30.539
You see how I can't believe we're having this conversation.

723
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:32.460
You see how his chest hair?

724
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:36.179
It's sort of dark, but then it's got sort of like the white just on the top there.

725
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.820
I think that's really quite sexy, you know.

726
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.219
You know, just sort of touch of what?

727
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:43.199
Why are you looking down at your chest there, right?

728
00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:45.420
that's what I'm rocking under this hoodie.

729
00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:49.860
Maybe we shouldn't meet again, you know.

730
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.920
Next time we won't be watching justice.

731
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:58.199
Actually, that's why nothing happened when you was here.

732
00:39:58.260 --> 00:40:00.360
We was watching Rodden bree's sex episode.

733
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:01.260
That's right.

734
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:02.159
That's right.

735
00:40:02.219 --> 00:40:08.099
The most unhorny sex episodes that you could possibly imagine. and Ephonesiacs.

736
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:09.119
Oh, dude.

737
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:11.880
Somehow, Zoo, we was going to end up talking about Chester.

738
00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:19.860
Say that, you know, where he waves his hand and says you are excused, doctor, and he's completely kind of laid low by this.

739
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:21.300
Do you know what I mean?

740
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:27.840
Like, if they were a better show and they had more control, clearly that's meant to be the comedy subplot.

741
00:40:27.900 --> 00:40:28.920
Don't you think?

742
00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:29.519
Am I wrong?

743
00:40:29.699 --> 00:40:32.579
But is it, it's not very funny though, is it?

744
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:33.480
No, that's a problem.

745
00:40:33.539 --> 00:40:35.219
That's how it is so happy.

746
00:40:35.820 --> 00:40:39.599
It is hampered a bit by the fact that it's not very funny, but they are trying for it.

747
00:40:39.659 --> 00:40:45.780
They just sort of learn to be funny, I think, later on, you know, goddess of empathy, that sort of thing.

748
00:40:45.900 --> 00:40:47.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

749
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:48.780
Or disaster.

750
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:53.400
We really enjoyed disaster and thought... when they finally let their hair down and go, do you know what?

751
00:40:53.460 --> 00:40:57.780
We can relax and just, you know, put something a bit absurd on the screen.

752
00:40:57.840 --> 00:40:59.400
Having a cold is not absurd.

753
00:41:00.059 --> 00:41:14.760
Yeah, but what it's the fish out of water thing, the fact that they can't cope with having a cold because they're from a future, uh, socialist utopia where the common cold and respiratory illnesses have been eliminated, you see, that would be fun.

754
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:24.960
At least when DS9 did its virus episode in series one, it was at, it was at a phaseic virus episode where everyone taught bollocks, you know, nobody could understand each other.

755
00:41:25.019 --> 00:41:25.860
And then all knew.

756
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.039
No, no, but all you had left was Odo and Quark running the whole station.

757
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.239
And that was funny.

758
00:41:30.300 --> 00:41:31.800
Yeah, yeah.

759
00:41:31.860 --> 00:41:34.139
You know, oh, here he is.

760
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:34.920
Here he is.

761
00:41:34.980 --> 00:41:39.059
Recap your ways, MacGyver, your evil sexist ways.

762
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:40.260
That's right.

763
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:43.679
I'm glad the police have apparently beating him up, though.

764
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:46.679
I've not had a good look at these police women.

765
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:47.880
Hang on, I need to see.

766
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:51.360
No, they're men, look.

767
00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:52.019
They're not women.

768
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:59.280
No, there, no, those, some of those guys are men, but they're, he's, they're Ramsey's evil men from the eyes. ocean.

769
00:41:59.340 --> 00:42:00.119
Yeah.

770
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:02.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

771
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:03.900
She's looking surly.

772
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:04.980
Yeah.

773
00:42:04.980 --> 00:42:08.099
Oh, God, look at, look at her.

774
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:09.420
What did I say, Alice?

775
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.559
what's her name again That power couple, Ariel and Ramsey?

776
00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:19.139
I call them MacGyver and Timothay.

777
00:42:19.260 --> 00:42:31.079
So what I also like here as well, which I think is the one political thing that they get right is that this is absolutely anti, um, capital punishment.

778
00:42:31.139 --> 00:42:39.179
And given that America is still absolutely in love with capital punishment, you know, nearly 40 years after this was broadcast.

779
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:47.579
I think just the assumption that capital punishment is brutal and ridiculous, which isn't necessarily an assumption in original trek.

780
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.159
I'm not sure, but it's very definitely here.

781
00:42:50.219 --> 00:43:02.280
And one of my favourite lines that is coming up that Denise delivers, you know, saying how bad capital punishment is, not in a kind of something.

782
00:43:02.340 --> 00:43:03.420
They've already suffered justice.

783
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:04.079
Do you remember that?

784
00:43:04.380 --> 00:43:06.000
Yeah, that's true.

785
00:43:06.059 --> 00:43:09.059
If you fall into a bunch of flowers, You get murdered there.

786
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:09.960
You get killed.

787
00:43:10.019 --> 00:43:10.739
Yeah.

788
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:11.280
Yeah.

789
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:16.199
I like the I like Riker the way he knelt down in front of her there.

790
00:43:16.260 --> 00:43:19.260
She's like, you'll accomplish nothing, you know, by being aggressive with me.

791
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:24.719
So he sort of comes down and puts her in a power position so she will talk to him.

792
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.719
Maybe I'm giving this too much thought.

793
00:43:27.780 --> 00:43:29.280
No, no, no.

794
00:43:29.340 --> 00:43:31.260
I think, you know, like I think he's good in this.

795
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:34.380
There's something, you know, there's something good about him in this.

796
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.139
Oh, look, I don't know.

797
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:37.920
No one else is good.

798
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:39.780
Slightly whole Asian man in the background there.

799
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:40.920
I'm not sure what he's doing, but.

800
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:43.619
Yeah, no, I think he's someone from the Odin as well.

801
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.019
There's just a few...

802
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:47.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

803
00:43:47.460 --> 00:43:52.139
Yeah, certainly you've got MacGyver with his miserable head there in the middle of the...

804
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:55.079
Denise Crosby says every line, like it's going to be her last.

805
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:57.539
Don't you understand, Ramsey?

806
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:59.519
You're going to be executed tomorrow.

807
00:43:59.579 --> 00:44:00.719
You're gonna die.

808
00:44:01.500 --> 00:44:03.719
She's so great.

809
00:44:03.780 --> 00:44:05.219
Ah, dear.

810
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:06.599
She's good when she comes back.

811
00:44:06.659 --> 00:44:08.099
I don't know what's happening.

812
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:09.000
No.

813
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:10.019
Well, yeah.

814
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:14.880
Just because they were like, we fucked it up. let's get it right this time Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

815
00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:17.699
Yeah, you see, I like that.

816
00:44:17.699 --> 00:44:19.079
Look at that fella in the background there.

817
00:44:19.139 --> 00:44:21.659
He's also got skinny arms, though, doesn't he?

818
00:44:21.659 --> 00:44:22.800
I like that.

819
00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:24.239
I don't mind wet men.

820
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:27.000
The reason you have to pin down.

821
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:33.360
We're learning a lot from each other.

822
00:44:33.420 --> 00:44:36.300
It's like, oh, yeah.

823
00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:39.059
Who said this isn't one of Angel Dr.?

824
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:40.860
Next generation can't get you horny.

825
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:42.119
Yep, yep.

826
00:44:42.179 --> 00:44:42.780
Me.

827
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:48.780
I'd see, I'm on games, too, Willie.

828
00:44:48.900 --> 00:44:52.320
No, Gates, I can't I actually really like that delivery.

829
00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:53.460
I think it's really good.

830
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:57.179
And she delivers it in a gateway, you know, not in a McCoy way.

831
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:02.219
She's just, you know, I can't allow you to bring anyone up and she knows it's a problem.

832
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:03.719
I don't know why she's looking up.

833
00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:05.039
Why is she looking up?

834
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.980
Because they're on the on the thing.

835
00:45:08.099 --> 00:45:09.300
I don't know. anyway.

836
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:10.920
The funniest thing. don't think it's bad.

837
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:15.360
The funnyest bit with her is when she goes, my god, the smell.

838
00:45:15.420 --> 00:45:20.820
She goes, an airborne particle is travelling by smell.

839
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:25.260
And I'm like, no one could deliver that. and especially not against that.

840
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:27.360
And it's such a boring revelation.

841
00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:28.860
Like, that's the revelation.

842
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.019
It's a nice smell, so you go...

843
00:45:31.019 --> 00:45:34.679
And breathe it in and then you get the illness.

844
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:39.480
But everyone's been going on about this smell that she feels the meat to put it all together for us as well.

845
00:45:39.539 --> 00:45:40.199
Yeah, yeah.

846
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.559
I don't think there's only 4 year old that hasn't figured that out.

847
00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:44.699
No, that's right.

848
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:45.659
That's right.

849
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:47.699
Oh what's happening here?

850
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:49.619
Troy looks very angry.

851
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:50.639
Sad sack.

852
00:45:50.699 --> 00:45:53.280
Richard Dean Anderson is there waiting to be executed.

853
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:56.280
Troy has done nothing.

854
00:45:56.340 --> 00:46:01.079
No, and she in this planet of the what's called Ladyland episode.

855
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:02.099
Ladyland.

856
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:02.400
Yeah.

857
00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:05.760
Do you ever think about that painting?

858
00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:08.039
He loves walking in, doesn't he?

859
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:10.260
Fucking Trent.

860
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:13.440
Oh, Trent.

861
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:19.320
I think he'll be fine.

862
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:22.619
Where she says is that the civilised word for murder on this world?

863
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:24.119
Good for you, girl.

864
00:46:24.179 --> 00:46:25.019
Bring the politics.

865
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:25.619
That's awesome.

866
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:31.260
Yeah, but she's the one that was so thick in justice.

867
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:35.880
But she picked up the syringe and she went, oh, it's some kind of a syringe.

868
00:46:35.940 --> 00:46:37.440
Do you remember when they were about to kill him?

869
00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:38.579
Yeah?

870
00:46:38.579 --> 00:46:40.500
She's so great.

871
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.880
A sort of stupidity rises and falls, depending upon the right of the episode.

872
00:46:44.940 --> 00:46:46.139
But I thought that was pretty good.

873
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:48.360
I thought that was a pretty good line there.

874
00:46:48.420 --> 00:46:49.559
Data alone on the bridge now.

875
00:46:49.619 --> 00:46:51.179
This is a show I can buy into.

876
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:56.820
They're still talking about the Romulans coming, although I don't think we see one, do we, in this episode?

877
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:58.619
No, we don't see the Romulans here.

878
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:02.519
And so they're just the kind of the colony that needs the vaccine or whatever.

879
00:47:02.579 --> 00:47:03.300
Do you know what I mean?

880
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:08.639
We need to get somewhere urgently in order to create some kind of drama.

881
00:47:08.699 --> 00:47:10.019
In series one and two.

882
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:11.699
They always need a vaccine for something.

883
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:18.239
Some dreadful medical emergency on comedy Planet B. But it also does happen in original Trek.

884
00:47:18.300 --> 00:47:19.860
We've seen it once or twice, haven't we?

885
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:24.420
Where we've had someone on board urgently telling Kirk that he needs to be somewhere else.

886
00:47:24.539 --> 00:47:27.300
You know, yeah, yeah.

887
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:29.400
Like that's the thing that happened.

888
00:47:29.460 --> 00:47:33.900
There is one where we can cut into Beverly Crusher on the planet.

889
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:35.039
It's in series one.

890
00:47:35.099 --> 00:47:41.519
I can't remember which episode it is And she just keeps like messaging the ship going, people are dying here.

891
00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:45.840
Get us, at all course, get us the vaccine, you know.

892
00:47:48.420 --> 00:47:50.280
You're right, though.

893
00:47:50.340 --> 00:47:57.000
Everything you said about series one in the past is true. don't really know what they're doing at this point.

894
00:47:57.059 --> 00:48:06.119
They are, like we said, they are trying lots of things and most of it isn't working, which is why in three, someone actually sits down and goes, right, what has worked?

895
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:08.579
And what can we do with this bloody show?

896
00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:27.119
So this, see, they make it in just like onboard enterprise in um, in that episode that we, the most recent enterprise we did where the religious fanatics take over the ship and they decide to disintegrate Archer in the transporter.

897
00:48:27.179 --> 00:48:31.860
Yeah, but the trouble is, is we care even less for Archer than we do about MacGyver here.

898
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.320
Yeah, that's true either time.

899
00:48:34.380 --> 00:48:36.900
I do like the fact that they sort of use a crystal ball.

900
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:39.599
To do their transporter.

901
00:48:39.659 --> 00:48:40.800
Transporter.

902
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:41.340
Yeah.

903
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:47.940
Mid-20th century technology, but they must execute a lot of people and they don't want to clean up afterwards.

904
00:48:48.059 --> 00:48:54.360
And so they have the thing that just sort of disintegrates you, which they've invented.

905
00:48:54.420 --> 00:48:57.719
The sort of lesbian security guard was getting a great close-up there.

906
00:48:57.780 --> 00:48:58.139
Did you see?

907
00:48:58.199 --> 00:48:58.800
Yeah, yeah.

908
00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:00.480
She wasn't looking at camera.

909
00:49:00.539 --> 00:49:02.820
I like the one there behind aerial.

910
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.059
Now, so this speech is just literally fucking nothing.

911
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:08.159
So he was big speech.

912
00:49:08.219 --> 00:49:21.059
So he says that these people aren't causing the changes in your society, which we've heard nothing about, and it's just a thing that's happening in your society evolution in a sort of evolutionary way.

913
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:26.699
And if you kill them, they'll become martyrs and it won't stop anything.

914
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:38.579
Um, And I I actually like the bit where Ariel just says, oh, for God's sake, Beata, you know, and she goes, yes, okay, right.

915
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:40.440
And she can't bring herself to kill them.

916
00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:46.019
Like, I think the reason isn't this contentless speech that Riker gives.

917
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:53.519
It's uh, it's just like a little moment of kind of humanity and sympathy that means that she, she doesn't do it.

918
00:49:53.579 --> 00:49:58.440
He sums it all up, Nathan, with martyrs cannot be silenced.

919
00:49:58.500 --> 00:50:00.599
Yeah, but it's just like nothing.

920
00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:04.500
They've got nothing to say about patriarchy because they're not interested in it.

921
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:06.179
I'm so sorry.

922
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:09.420
Trent's nipple was caught on his clothes there.

923
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:09.960
Did you see?

924
00:50:10.019 --> 00:50:11.280
Oh no, I didn't.

925
00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:12.360
I wasn't really looking.

926
00:50:12.420 --> 00:50:14.340
You don't want to see it, really.

927
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:15.539
Yeah, awful.

928
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:17.280
Trent.

929
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:24.599
You've punctuated this entire episode with fuck off, Trent.

930
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:29.820
There he is.

931
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:31.679
See, Trent, he's a killer as well.

932
00:50:31.739 --> 00:50:33.719
He's their executioner, the little shit.

933
00:50:33.780 --> 00:50:36.179
He does have sort of an androgynous face, doesn't he?

934
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:37.619
It's perfect for Lau.

935
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:39.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

936
00:50:39.780 --> 00:50:42.719
I want to see what board your episode is in now.

937
00:50:42.780 --> 00:50:45.179
Maybe we'll roll it next.

938
00:50:46.139 --> 00:50:47.880
That's it.

939
00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:52.019
We'll do a series of episodes centred around Trent.

940
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:55.980
Oh, look, she's, look at the way Mistress Biarta flounces out of a room.

941
00:50:56.460 --> 00:50:59.639
They're terrible outfits, aren't they?

942
00:50:59.699 --> 00:51:00.659
The women are quite tall.

943
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:02.219
Yeah, you know, I'm going to say a lot.

944
00:51:02.219 --> 00:51:04.920
They're nearly as tall as, as, um, thing.

945
00:51:04.980 --> 00:51:09.840
They're not the design of the gap, but they are the colours, the sort of primary colours they love.

946
00:51:09.900 --> 00:51:10.739
It's terrible.

947
00:51:10.860 --> 00:51:12.059
It's terrible.

948
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:17.099
I mean, I'm not sure any outfits are worse than what Jake Sisco wears in DS9 in.

949
00:51:17.219 --> 00:51:19.739
But this would be a close second.

950
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.800
He's smart, casual, where...

951
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:27.840
Although, when that turned up in that lower decks episode, the other day, the jumpsuit.

952
00:51:28.739 --> 00:51:31.619
Has she figured out what the virus is yet?

953
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:32.519
Have we got to that scene?

954
00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:33.659
But I can't remember.

955
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:36.780
No, she's still working it out, isn't she?

956
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:38.039
No, yeah, she's got...

957
00:51:38.099 --> 00:51:38.940
She just said bingo.

958
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:40.079
She just said bingo.

959
00:51:40.139 --> 00:51:46.260
She's got it Did you notice that bit where she went up to the glass panel and it just had sort of random chips glued to it?

960
00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:48.420
And that was how there was.

961
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:51.480
I don't know.

962
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:53.340
They haven't really worked out the tech yet either.

963
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.880
Well, she's got a lot of post-it notes there with it.

964
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:57.780
It's like clues.

965
00:51:57.840 --> 00:51:58.559
Is that what's happening?

966
00:51:58.739 --> 00:52:01.679
I'm not sure we mentioned...

967
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:03.840
We did off my, but I don't think we have on my.

968
00:52:03.900 --> 00:52:06.780
We haven't mentioned the brilliant Matte painting of the city.

969
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:10.739
Yeah, yeah, it is really amazing, isn't it?

970
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:11.760
It really is something.

971
00:52:11.820 --> 00:52:12.840
I think it's quite beautiful.

972
00:52:12.900 --> 00:52:15.000
And they use the camera.

973
00:52:15.059 --> 00:52:16.920
They sort of zoom in in a clever way.

974
00:52:16.980 --> 00:52:22.920
That almost tricks you into thinking into 3D. the 3D effect of some kind happening there.

975
00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:25.019
And it is beautiful.

976
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:33.659
They'll just reuse the fuck out of it over the next sort of 8 years, but it is stunning and it's something that Star Trek hasn't managed before.

977
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.840
I mean, we had Devil in the Dark last time.

978
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:39.239
Well, they learn to do, isn't it?

979
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:44.400
is to animate certain parts of a map painting and then they really come alive.

980
00:52:44.460 --> 00:52:50.519
Yeah, like in Devil's Dew, you know, the planet with all the fleeing people and the buildings on fire.

981
00:52:50.579 --> 00:52:55.800
It's a map painting that we see over and over again, but it's, you know, everyone's terrified of Ardra.

982
00:52:55.860 --> 00:52:57.900
Like that's the classic one, I think.

983
00:52:57.960 --> 00:52:59.280
Wait, wait, wait.

984
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:00.059
I love this.

985
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:03.300
I will just be doing impressions of Ardra the whole episode.

986
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:04.739
So good.

987
00:53:05.340 --> 00:53:08.340
I am the god of this planet.

988
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:12.480
She doesn't quite go pantomime enough, does she?

989
00:53:12.539 --> 00:53:13.139
No.

990
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:27.960
And so she, she has decided that they all have to live in exile somewhere very hard where they don't have time to do any political descent, and then that young twink goes up and looks at them disappear and maybe he has a political awakening or whatever.

991
00:53:28.019 --> 00:53:42.119
But basically the, you know, forces of conservatism win. and Riker, because he's fucked Beata, gives her a little smile and then leaves, because he still kind of likes or emotions and optimistic conclusions in this episode.

992
00:53:42.179 --> 00:53:43.199
No, no, no.

993
00:53:43.260 --> 00:53:44.940
No, no optimistic conclusions.

994
00:53:45.059 --> 00:53:54.480
The little thing of what we've always said about them, you know, warping to a planet, not really making much of a difference, actually, possibly leaving it worse state and then warping off again.

995
00:53:54.539 --> 00:54:01.800
Yeah, what needs to happen is they need to inspire the people on the planet to do something about it, but that's absolutely not what this is interested in.

996
00:54:01.860 --> 00:54:09.360
It isn't, you know, an allegory about feminism at all. how everyone's in that shot.

997
00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:10.320
Did you see that?

998
00:54:10.380 --> 00:54:12.000
Data in the form?

999
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:13.800
And everyone behind.

1000
00:54:15.300 --> 00:54:17.880
This absolute non-joke.

1001
00:54:17.940 --> 00:54:28.019
Like, you know, you've got poor Patrick Stewart trying to do his voice of having a cold and he can't say engage. you know it's so bad.

1002
00:54:28.860 --> 00:54:32.699
There's a lot of season one episodes. with the terrible joke.

1003
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:38.159
I mean, it's not quite as bad as when those bloody kids brought that terrible plaque to Picard at the end of disaster.

1004
00:54:38.219 --> 00:54:39.599
No, that's awesome.

1005
00:54:39.659 --> 00:54:40.860
It's pretty bad.

1006
00:54:40.860 --> 00:54:41.579
Absolutely.

1007
00:54:41.579 --> 00:54:44.699
Deliberately an awesome crap joke.

1008
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:45.539
Do you know what I mean?

1009
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:55.619
Like an absolutely conscious attempt to deliberately do a crap joke at the end of the episode, whereas this was just a terrible joke that didn't work. the end of the episode.

1010
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:58.139
Can I just say the next episode started?

1011
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:02.159
I'm not sure what it is Oh, it's 11001001.

1012
00:55:02.340 --> 00:55:05.159
And the Enterprise has just docked.

1013
00:55:05.219 --> 00:55:07.380
That fabulous space station.

1014
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:07.860
You know?

1015
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:09.300
Oh, okay, the big one.

1016
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:10.320
Yeah.

1017
00:55:10.380 --> 00:55:14.159
I mean, in 5 seconds, it seems better than Angel one.

1018
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:15.960
That is a pretty good episode, I think.

1019
00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:19.860
Yeah, well, you know, they evacuate the ship. they separate the sorcerer in that one as well.

1020
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:21.059
It's all going on in.

1021
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:22.079
Is it the binars?

1022
00:55:22.139 --> 00:55:23.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1023
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:25.440
But isn't that the one with minuet?

1024
00:55:25.500 --> 00:55:26.940
Oh, of course.

1025
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:30.780
Now there's a sexy sultry 80s goddess for you.

1026
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:33.300
Yeah, you both got Mistress Beata.

1027
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:43.860
And that's another sort of, that's a Star Trek romance that is super weird, but that actually kind of works because he sort of loses her forever, which is sort of really weird and interesting.

1028
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:44.760
I think it's good.

1029
00:55:44.820 --> 00:55:46.199
I think it's not bad.

1030
00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:52.260
We've just watched an episode that is sort of trying to make a statement for women, but...

1031
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:53.400
It is trying to make a statement at all.

1032
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:54.420
In a million ways.

1033
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:57.179
No, no, I think I mean, I think the intent was for that.

1034
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:11.340
They failed horribly was to have a large woman that Riker could have sex with and that we could all enjoy watching that and we could all fantasise about the planet of the large and aggressive sexy ladies.

1035
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:14.460
And that's exactly what that was about.

1036
00:56:14.579 --> 00:56:18.300
I really think it's an absolute morniness thing.

1037
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:20.099
Fucking hell.

1038
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.139
I am certain that that's the game.

1039
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:25.860
I don't think this has anything to say about patriarchy.

1040
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:29.579
I say they succeeded with flying colours.

1041
00:56:30.059 --> 00:56:31.739
That's it.

1042
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:33.119
This episode's a success.

1043
00:56:33.179 --> 00:56:34.800
Let's contact jammer again.

1044
00:56:34.860 --> 00:56:35.940
We need to give it an extra start.

1045
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:49.980
All right, it's time for us to pick what we're going to be doing next time.

1046
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:55.380
As usual, this was a terrible episode, which means that I chose it last time.

1047
00:56:55.500 --> 00:57:03.480
And so it's your turn to come right the ship and choose something that's actually intentionally fun to watch.

1048
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:13.199
So let's see what series you're going to pick from, Joe. We can practically guarantee that it will be a better episode than that.

1049
00:57:13.260 --> 00:57:18.059
But I'm not sure we can guarantee we'll laugh as much as we did in that episode because...

1050
00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:21.599
Unintentional was the word in your opening statement there.

1051
00:57:21.659 --> 00:57:22.800
All right.

1052
00:57:22.860 --> 00:57:24.900
So, you know what I'm going to do, don't you?

1053
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:26.760
It's Voyager.

1054
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:28.559
No, they're all going in.

1055
00:57:28.619 --> 00:57:30.420
Yeah, every now and again I do this.

1056
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:33.000
I'll throw them all in and just let's just see what we get.

1057
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:33.480
Okay.

1058
00:57:33.539 --> 00:57:36.239
Oh boy. secretly hoping for a Voyager.

1059
00:57:36.300 --> 00:57:41.400
Your random Star Trek Enterprise episode is season one, bad sign.

1060
00:57:41.460 --> 00:57:44.639
Episode 24 Desert Crossing.

1061
00:57:44.699 --> 00:57:45.900
No, I've never heard of it.

1062
00:57:46.019 --> 00:57:46.800
Keep going.

1063
00:57:46.860 --> 00:57:49.380
Oh, it is a Voyager episode.

1064
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.320
And it's one that you and I have talked about a lot.

1065
00:57:52.380 --> 00:57:53.639
Okay.

1066
00:57:53.699 --> 00:57:55.260
That doesn't mean it's good.

1067
00:57:56.820 --> 00:58:03.599
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season seven, although we have done a lot of season seven.

1068
00:58:03.659 --> 00:58:07.320
We're often drawn to the sevens, aren't we, in 9 Street?

1069
00:58:07.380 --> 00:58:09.300
Yeah, we have a lot of DS9, season seven.

1070
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.780
Episode 15, the void.

1071
00:58:13.260 --> 00:58:15.119
Oh, yes.

1072
00:58:15.179 --> 00:58:16.619
Yeah.

1073
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:20.699
The one episode of Voyager that leans into the premise in the 11th hour.

1074
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:22.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1075
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:23.519
I mean, I don't know.

1076
00:58:23.579 --> 00:58:24.179
We haven't watched it.

1077
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:25.500
It's got those bizarre aliens.

1078
00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:26.940
Do you remember that communicate with music?

1079
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:34.380
They've all got like music pads and there's a very old sequence where the camera's roving around them and they're all going...

1080
00:58:34.380 --> 00:58:34.920
Oh, my God.

1081
00:58:34.980 --> 00:58:36.480
Very strange episode.

1082
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:40.320
But I think props for them for saying, do you know what?

1083
00:58:40.380 --> 00:58:41.940
We didn't really explore that a lot.

1084
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:43.260
Yeah, yeah.

1085
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:44.760
I wonder if we should do that.

1086
00:58:44.820 --> 00:58:46.739
No, I'd be really interested.

1087
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:53.219
It might give us a chance to talk about Voyager. just generally and um, you know, how it goes wrong.

1088
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:57.840
And because she's building a lives of all of these species, yeah.

1089
00:58:57.900 --> 00:59:01.679
The latex quotient in this episode is through the roof.

1090
00:59:01.739 --> 00:59:04.500
So we can rate every alien that she means.

1091
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:05.460
On the bow mask scale.

1092
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:05.940
Exactly.

1093
00:59:05.940 --> 00:59:06.599
Yeah, yeah.

1094
00:59:06.659 --> 00:59:09.840
It sounds perfect. sounds like a great 45 minutes to me.

1095
00:59:09.900 --> 00:59:10.320
I mean.

1096
00:59:10.380 --> 00:59:17.340
And I'm always intrigued to watch more of 6 and 7 of Voyager, that point where they were on their own.

1097
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:23.820
There was nothing else on and what the hell were you doing when you had the chance to really make your mind?

1098
00:59:23.820 --> 00:59:24.659
Your Star Trek.

1099
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:25.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1100
00:59:25.619 --> 00:59:25.980
Yeah.

1101
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:27.599
Oh well, let's do it.

1102
00:59:27.659 --> 00:59:28.139
Brilliant.

1103
00:59:35.579 --> 00:59:46.800
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1104
00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:52.079
Our podcast artwork is by Caleb Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1105
00:59:52.139 --> 00:59:57.900
This episode was recorded on the 18th of June 2024 and released on the 28th of June.

1106
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:02.099
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, The Void.

1107
01:00:20.820 --> 01:00:38.760
Yeah, because it gives me a chance to talk about just Voyager generally, because I think Voyager is, you know, like I said, was it a few weeks ago where I said that, you know, um, Voyager is what if Star Trek, but more right wing and then Enterprise is what it's Star Trek, but even more right wing?

1108
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:40.019
It's highly right wing.

1109
01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:40.800
Yeah.

1110
01:00:40.860 --> 01:00:45.119
Because, you know, there's no diplomacy and negotiation.

1111
01:00:45.179 --> 01:00:53.940
You know, we did alliances, which I think is a really good episode and we learned a valuable lesson about not, you know, involving ourselves in diplomacy.

1112
01:00:54.000 --> 01:01:03.480
Yeah, yeah, which is stupid and it's just like, why are we, why are we doing a Star Trek series then if that's not what we're going to talk about?

1113
01:01:03.539 --> 01:01:04.260
It just seems stupid.

1114
01:01:04.380 --> 01:01:07.139
Well, she goes, we will follow the rules of the Federation.

1115
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:09.179
But we won't invite anyone else in.

1116
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:11.519
Let's go Yeah.

1117
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:15.179
No, are you aware of what the Federation actually does, you know?

1118
01:01:15.300 --> 01:01:19.440
Yeah, no, I think it's, I think it's kind of a bit crap, really.

1119
01:01:19.500 --> 01:01:26.760
I think it's Mike Vajar, the directors one as well, who is one of the better latter 90s directors.

1120
01:01:26.820 --> 01:01:30.900
I seem to remember, I don't remember this really standing out beyond the premise side.

1121
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:31.739
It would be interesting to see.

1122
01:01:31.860 --> 01:01:33.360
Yeah.

1123
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:34.500
Yeah.

1124
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:36.119
Yeah, yeah.

1125
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:40.139
No one's as fabulous as Mistress B. Alto, though.

1126
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:43.380
Well, no, no one has since 1988.

1127
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:44.460
It's been...

1128
01:01:44.460 --> 01:01:49.619
You know how these things come back, so fashion's come back and hometown.

1129
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:51.659
I hope that ever happens.

1130
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:58.739
See, I remember as a kid, it going from the 70s to the 80s, right?

1131
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:19.559
And I remember, like, you know, like watching Doctor Who, the 1st Doctor Who that I watched, like I started watching in 78, and I was a kid, and like I was aware of the 70s and things, and then when the 80s come along, you just think, wow, the 70s were so brown and kind of stylus in the 80s, it's really neon and thrilling, and everyone looks great and has fabulous air.

1132
01:02:19.619 --> 01:02:24.780
And now, of course, the 80s is just horrific, like an absolute atrocity.

1133
01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:28.079
And the 70s kind of like...

1134
01:02:28.139 --> 01:02:29.460
It all got a bit muted, didn't it?

1135
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:33.300
Yeah. sort of a bit alternative.

1136
01:02:33.539 --> 01:02:37.800
Yeah, yeah, they would sort of splintered a bit, I think.

1137
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:40.260
Everyone was trying to be a bit edgier, weren't they?

1138
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:40.800
Unless...

1139
01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:42.780
Oh, I don't know.

1140
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:46.440
I still have a bit of a hard on for the 80s, though, especially the movies in the 80s.

1141
01:02:46.500 --> 01:02:47.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1142
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:52.440
Well that was my childhood, you know, going to movies in the 80s. was like you're talking about Amadeus the other day.

1143
01:02:52.500 --> 01:02:57.179
Like, I remember that incredibly well, but all of those things, like I sometimes go with my sister to see things.

1144
01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:01.800
I remember seeing like, you know, like gremlins for the 1st time and stuff.

1145
01:03:01.860 --> 01:03:06.059
La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.

1146
01:03:06.179 --> 01:03:08.519
Ghostbusters, which is actually probably better.

1147
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:09.659
Nathan.

1148
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:10.679
Do you know what?

1149
01:03:10.739 --> 01:03:13.019
I didn't see the goodies until last year.

1150
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:14.519
No.

1151
01:03:14.579 --> 01:03:15.420
Yeah.

1152
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:17.039
It's a seminal pub.

1153
01:03:17.099 --> 01:03:17.940
Everyone's child.

1154
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:18.420
I know.

1155
01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:18.780
I know.

1156
01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:20.519
And it's so 80s.

1157
01:03:20.579 --> 01:03:22.679
Like, it's so unbelievably 80s.

1158
01:03:22.739 --> 01:03:24.539
And it's got thingo.

1159
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:27.960
Like, um, the guy from everything everywhere all at once.

1160
01:03:28.260 --> 01:03:36.900
Yeah, like short round from, um, uh, Corey Feldman, who turns up in every, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1161
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:37.739
That's right.

1162
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:41.940
Like stand by me, you know, just wonderful movies and the Lost Boys.

1163
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:44.219
I found some great movie..

1164
01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:45.480
Oh, yeah, hugely.

1165
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:47.519
Don't ever fight.

1166
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:49.559
Vampire at your house, you silly boy.

1167
01:03:49.619 --> 01:03:51.179
It rendered you powerless.

1168
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:54.179
They had Diane Weist.

1169
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:55.500
Is that her name?

1170
01:03:55.500 --> 01:03:56.880
She's fine.

1171
01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:59.159
Did you wash her in the 10th kingdom?

1172
01:03:59.219 --> 01:04:01.019
Did you ever watch that?

1173
01:04:01.500 --> 01:04:19.739
I don't know how that would hold up now, but it was that was early 2000s and a fella from one of these networks that could just, he basically said, I wanted to make this, and it's a huge, it was massively expensive, like 5000000 or something for a TV show at the time.

1174
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:20.820
It was hugely expensive.

1175
01:04:20.820 --> 01:04:25.380
And they went out and filmed it a bit like Lord of the Rings and all these beautiful locations.

1176
01:04:26.099 --> 01:04:34.739
And it's all a fairytale land come to life with 2 New Yorkers. sort of traversing all the lands, little bone peep land and things like this.

1177
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:40.860
Um, and Diane Weist is the, um, she's the evil queen in it.

1178
01:04:41.219 --> 01:04:43.679
Wow, fabulous.

1179
01:04:43.739 --> 01:04:44.219
Wow.

1180
01:04:44.699 --> 01:04:47.039
You should probably wash that at some point.

1181
01:04:47.099 --> 01:04:53.940
I think you might quite like it I'm not sure the humour lands, but no, it sort of went under the radar.

1182
01:04:54.000 --> 01:05:01.920
No one really really talks about it too much, but it's got I send you a link to the title sequence and you'll see the sort of thing they're playing with.

1183
01:05:01.980 --> 01:05:03.539
It's yeah, it's pretty amazing.

1184
01:05:04.139 --> 01:05:06.300
All right, all right.

1185
01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:10.260
I am not going to do a report reading.

1186
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:12.360
I'm gonna want to go to bed.

1187
01:05:12.420 --> 01:05:13.679
I'm just gonna go to sleep.