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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are against all sensible advice heading back into series

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one of Star Trek the Next Generation this week, and not just

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series one of Star Trek the Next Generation, but an episode that

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is very widely disliked, and it's Angel one.

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It's written by Patrick Barry, who never does another Star Trek

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episode and directed by Michael Rhodes, who also never does

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another Star Trek episode.

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This is the one example of their work.

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Yeah?

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This is like the only example of their work that we're ever going

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to see. this podcast.

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Very unsurprising reason.

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So what did you think of this one?

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You say it's widely disliked by a lot of people, including me.

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Oh, God.

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How did they ever recover from this season?

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As each scene was playing out, I was like, do you know what, I

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just discovered today, Nation, that William Shatner's been at it

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again, it's on another Star Trek documentary series on Amazon

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Prime.

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No, this one's called Chaos on the Bridge.

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And he's got together all the creatives of series one and 2 of

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Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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And it's all about the power struggles that were going on.

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Gene Robinbury trying to put his vision in, the studio exits

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trying to get their vision in, and why, uh, frankly, I should have

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watched it before.

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I was talking.

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I sure we'll come back to one or 2 at some point. looks pretty

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amazing.

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Um, and I think that documentary.

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We'll probably explain why Angel one is quite as appalling as it

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is.

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Now, you said to me in a chat that you thought this was quite

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interesting.

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Well, I don't think it's an interesting episode.

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I think it's kind of mostly boring.

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I think there are 2 twists that are pretty good.

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I didn't see coming.

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Yeah, I think so.

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Um, so it's sort of functional in a way that's a manhunt is, like

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it is actually an episode of TV with a beginning, a middle, and an

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end.

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But I think it exposes.

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I think the reason that it's interesting, I love the end, it's

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over after that.

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I mean, you've said, out of beginning, a middle of an end, like

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most stories should.

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Bravo, Angel one.

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Well, yeah, but this era of Star Trek doesn't always manage that.

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That's right.

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We've watched a few, haven't we?

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all middle.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, you know, like, in some ways, it's a functional bit of drama

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but I think the reason that it's interesting is that it exposes a

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problem with the way that Star Trek deals with social issues.

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And, well, all hair.

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No, very frequently.

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And the most serious analogue, I think, is probably the outcast

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which will roll at some point.

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I think it's sort of important for the history of Star Trek.

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But what goes wrong in the outcast is what goes wrong here.

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I think you'll be quite angry when we do the outcast.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I like it as a kid because it, well, as a young man because I felt

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like this is about gay people and I'm one of those and I don't see

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that on TV very much and that's interesting that my show is doing

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it and it's doing it in a way that's generally supportive.

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But I think it's doing it in a way that's actually really very

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bad.

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And that's what's happening here too, because they can't do, um

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they can't do sort of gender inequality.

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They can't do, you know, the oppression of one group of people by

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another group of people in any kind of wholehearted and proper

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way.

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And so what they do is they do it in a sort of science fiction way

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and they abstract it from its history.

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And in a B movie way.

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And we'll get there as well.

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I mean, it's clear.

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I think that this episode isn't here particularly to say anything

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interesting about patriarchy or chauvinism or anything.

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I think it's here because Roddenbury's really horny and, you know

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like he wants to have big women, you know, like it's the planet of

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large women that you can have sex with and isn't that hot, you

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know, we've done that already with justice, right?

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Yeah, well, I thought it was less social commentary, more like, oh

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aren't we brave?

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We've done a female dominated society, and they think that's

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enough that they've just done it without saying anything about it

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at all.

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No, and the resolution has really nothing to say about, you know

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feminism and nothing to say about patriarchy and nothing to say

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about sort of gender politics that's in any way interesting.

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And in fact, by flipping the genders, by making it, the women who

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are the oppressors instead of the man, what we really get is a

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kind of, you know, bitches be crazy, you know, like the women are

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super unreasonable because that's what women are like.

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You know, the 2 the 2 head bitches, Mistress Mealsa.

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And what's the other woman's name with the big Ariel?

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And Ariel was it.

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Oh, wow.

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I was hoping that I was going to have a massive bitch fight

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somewhere in the episode and it ends.

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It never happened.

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I thought it was going to be, you know, like pulling hair handbags

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at dawn sort of thing, you know.

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But no, nothing.

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So do you know what I mean?

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The fact that Bayard is oppressive and wants to repress and

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execute the man, the wayward man who won't conform to their proper

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gender stereotypes.

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That isn't, you know, some systemic thing or some sort of giant

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problem thing.

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It's just women are really super unreasonable and just look at

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Bayata being like this.

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So it actually is misogynist.

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I think, um, while ostensibly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, trying to be about gender equality.

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And also, I think the assumption that the people on board the

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Enterprise are great heralds of gender equality is pretty rough

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given that of the 8 main cast members, 2 of them are women or 3 of

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them are women, aren't they?

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Because we've still got Dasha at this point.

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But the highlights still are Riker, even though they're down on

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the back.

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Exactly.

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That's exactly right.

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You should be like, no, go away, Riker.

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We're going to only deal with Troy.

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We're going to give them something to do this week, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's right.

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Troy doesn't get to make the speech at the end.

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It's Riker who gets to make the speech, you know, like, and the

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speech is so empty of any content.

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Do you remember justice?

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They have a habit of doing these empty speeches at the end of the

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episode.

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But all I, like, just compare it to the speech that Captain Pike

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gives in the 1st episode of Strange New Worlds.

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He gives a big lecture to the alien society and it lands.

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That's right.

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It's a properly good speech, whereas this is terrible.

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And so, so I think that's a problem.

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I think the problem is that by making it space patriarchy or space

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matriarchy, it really takes anything interesting away from it.

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It has nothing really to comment on.

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Um, and so it just ends up being a bit crap, I think.

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I was so annoyed at the end because Mistress Ariel.

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Oh man, I'm so glad to say that.

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I'm not going to say it throughout the whole episode.

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It's just Ariel.

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She does sort of want to be told what to do by a man, doesn't

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she?

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She sort of found that.

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So that's icky.

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And then Mistress Bearta.

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Oh, mistress is so wonderful.

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Mistress Bearta is absolutely obsessed with Commander Riker

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because he's a man in a position of authority.

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So when they go to bed together, she's like, oh, I'm so pleased to

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meet a man who knows what he wants.

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So she's utterly beguiled by it as well.

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Yeah, that's a real woman power. going on here.

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No, no, no.

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That's right.

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The moment one of our men come along.

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Do you know what I mean?

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to fuck some sense into me, it's just they are, you know, like

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it's so bad.

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I mean, it really is super offensive.

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I have to say, though, in terms of, so recently, you and I did

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assignment Earth, and we said it perfectly encapsulated the 60s

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visually, you know?

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that fabulous style.

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Well, Enter Angel one, which encapsulates the 80s.

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Perfect, the hair, the clothes, everything.

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It is pure 1980s.

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And may I say how bold it was for Bonnie Tyler to take a role on

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Star Trek for this generation as Mistress B.R. said.

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I mean, the hair is incredible.

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The thing I love about the altar is like she has a habit of doing

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what I wish I could get away with in life, but don't.

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And that is before she makes a dramatic proclamation about

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something.

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She sort of stands up, goes across the room and then sort of

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switches her head around and then she makes it.

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She's all about being the big presence in the room.

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I think it's a really quite bad performance, but man, I couldn't

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take my eyes off her.

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Well, look, I think there's heaps of incidental sexism and

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appalling behaviour that we haven't even touched on.

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So let's go in and deal with it as it turns out.

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The most enlightened show on television series one of the next

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generation and it's flaunting sexism, racism.

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Homophobia in every direction.

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Just shockingly bad.

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Let's be ill-educated then, shall we?

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Okay, let's do it.

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I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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No, for that shot of the Enterprise.

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Little preamble there.

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We didn't even mention the flu subplot.

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Oh my god.

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I have a way to kind of make that work, but it would still be very

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bad, I think.

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I think they all know it's just an irrelevant subplot, you know

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they're all just like, well, we're doing our bit this week.

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Although Nathan, what's that smell around you?

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That's right.

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It's kind of... like a Klingon perfume.

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Oh, data, will you set up, please?

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You're gonna do your backing.

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Yeah, I know.

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I think I think there are some actual little funny moments here

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too, that almost land that almost land.

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That's fashion is what it is. showing it?

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Yeah, almost lands.

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Yeah.

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I did ask you earlier on the chat, whether you thought Denise

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Crosby was ever truly comfortable in the skin of Tashi Yar, because

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I'm not sure she ever was.

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So, see this where, where data gives the complete thing down to

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the 2nd and Riker goes, thank you, data, in the middle of it, and

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he just goes, fuck you, I'm finishing it, and he just keeps

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going.

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It's really great.

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There is something about Denise's performance where she's holding

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back. something, like when you say she's uncomfortable.

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Like, There's something, I can see what it is about her

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performance that you're identifying, but I'm just not very good at

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talking about an actor's performances.

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There is something there that I can identify.

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You know, like I know what you're saying.

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I don't want to be here, but I'm going to do this because I'm

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being paid.

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Well, yeah, but you know, you can probably get that from Patrick

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Stewart, actually, in this episode, to be frank.

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For the 1st 2 seasons, yeah.

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No, but I don't get it from Marina Surtis.

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No, even though she's not very...

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No, she's terrible.

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But I feel like she's here for the long run, you know?

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Whereas I don't feel like Tachiaris.

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Yes.

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Yeah, there was a there was a few jokes flying about this 1st

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scene here.

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Yeah, yeah. didn't think were very funny at all.

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It wasn't sort of forager band, so I wasn't truly ghastly.

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No, I don't know.

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I mean, already this situation is ridiculous because it's a planet

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run by women and that's kind of ridiculous, but I do like that

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Deanna says, oh, that's like my planet at home.

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I thought that was good.

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Do you know what I mean?

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That normalises it.

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Maybe it means that there are other matriarchies as well.

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How long has it been since these people have gone missing?

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Seven years?

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So and what, they're looking for them now?

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Apparently.

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Oh, yeah.

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Do you remember those people that went missing 7?

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We better send someone after.

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And then the whole 1st 3rd of the episode is Mistress Biala going

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hmm, maybe I'll tell you about them.

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Maybe I won't.

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Maybe I won't.

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And we do that like twice, I think.

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Ah dear.

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Yeah, so in terms of sort of like an opening premise.

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It's not the most enticing, is it?

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No.

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No.

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It's a dreadful episode, but I'm not sure if it's in the future or

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in the past.

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I think it's in the future.

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When the bowel breaks, which is a ghastly episode.

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But it does open with the magical planet of Aldea uncloaking in

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front of them, you know, and it's like, ooh, what's this?

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You know.

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But I mean, I guess this is just kind of telling us what sort of

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things that we can do still, you know, this is midway through

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season one.

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We still kind of seeing what sort of missions we're on.

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And here there's another mission coming up, which is a thing in

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the neutral zone.

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This is our 1st mention of the Romulans in Star Trek, the next

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generation.

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I'd forgotten how much they see did that, actually.

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Because there's a few mentions on the lead up to the last

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episode.

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But then they don't do anything with the Romulans at all, really

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do they?

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No.

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Well, not until series five.

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I think they do eventually do things with wrong.

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And, you know, like there are some good episodes.

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What's the one with, um, what's a face from Quantum Leap?

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Um, Carolyn Seymour.

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So not just face of the anime before that.

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The one with the Atonian Gateway.

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Oh, yeah, there's a...

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Oh, the line's high with Jordan.

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We talk about that one quite a lot.

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Yeah.

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So I think the Romulans do eventually land.

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I think they're quite good adversaries now that the Klingons are

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our allies.

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It's quite a nice planet, you know.

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Clearly they've got lots of lush foliage on angel one.

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Well, that's just the new thing though.

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That's the new special effect.

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Where's the Crusher and his little mate?

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They're off, they're going skiing.

321
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Is that appropriate skiing gear, really?

322
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It's space skiing gear.

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Holy crap.

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That's so shit, isn't it?

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Like they go in there.

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It's a backdrop, a photographic backdrop.

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An incredibly shit kind of like attempt at some snow on the

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ground.

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They immediately run in there and start throwing the sawdust at

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each other or whatever.

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They call it is.

332
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They can't sort of move more than 2 metres.

333
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No, no, it's tiny.

334
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Yeah, yeah. tiny, tiny sand.

335
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Oh dude.

336
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You know, when they come out later and they throw that snowboard

337
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Captain Picard, when it hits him.

338
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Yeah.

339
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Well, I thought things couldn't exist outside the holodeck.

340
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Well, they can for a little while.

341
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It's replicated, remember?

342
00:15:05.100 --> 00:15:06.000
It's just replicated.

343
00:15:06.059 --> 00:15:07.320
Okay, yeah, fair.

344
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Oh, here we go. the little twink on the left with the long black

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hair.

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He's cute.

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See him?

348
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think he's cute.

349
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Trent can just fuck off though.

350
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I hate Trent.

351
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You've got some serious issues with this man.

352
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I do.

353
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So pretty guy with the long black hair who's in this shot.

354
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Now there's Trent in the other shot.

355
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Little whipping boy.

356
00:15:28.139 --> 00:15:29.639
Yeah, little whipping point.

357
00:15:29.700 --> 00:15:34.200
Now, Trent actually does reappear in, he's in a Voyager episode

358
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but he is also famously Lal on the holodeck in the offspring.

359
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You can see it, can't you?

360
00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:43.559
Yep, you can.

361
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

362
00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:47.940
Well, when he's when he's just sort of like the robot version.

363
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

364
00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:53.759
Yeah, he hasn't chosen his gender or species yet.

365
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Who was he, Voyager?

366
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Oh, I don't know.

367
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Okay, some asshole.

368
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I'm in and out of these shows, don't they?

369
00:16:00.899 --> 00:16:02.100
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I love all of the, um, the sticky out shoulder pads that

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everybody's got.

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I've not seen such dramatic clothing since the Horns of Naimon

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from Doctor Who.

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So the women are meant to be vegan strong, but they have the

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skinniest arms ever.

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And those outfits, make their arms look even skinnier.

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She's got her...

378
00:16:26.460 --> 00:16:29.279
Yeah, look, I am a bit distracted by that guy, I have to say.

379
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Oh, no, please tell me you don't like those outfits that they're

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wearing.

381
00:16:34.259 --> 00:16:35.759
No, no, no, I think they're cute.

382
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With the one flap that opens, it exposes part of the chest.

383
00:16:39.419 --> 00:16:40.139
Yeah, nipple.

384
00:16:40.139 --> 00:16:42.659
Yeah, no, they're just a little bit.

385
00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:46.740
Well, I think Trent, because he's so completely hairless, is

386
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actually a little bit off putting.

387
00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:50.759
He doesn't do anything for me at all.

388
00:16:50.820 --> 00:16:52.919
I think he was sexier as well.

389
00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:54.000
I don't know about this. guy.

390
00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:56.879
Oh, Mistress Bearta.

391
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Your hair is incredible.

392
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So amazing.

393
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I feel like she could be in like a Timothée advert or something

394
00:17:02.460 --> 00:17:04.019
like that, you know, because she's worth it.

395
00:17:05.460 --> 00:17:09.839
Oh, there is a wonderful moment because when they put they force

396
00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:13.680
Riker into one of these garbs, yeah, with the flap open exposing

397
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his chest.

398
00:17:14.339 --> 00:17:17.759
But clearly, like Jonathan Frakes has gone, well, look, make me

399
00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:18.599
look really muscly.

400
00:17:18.660 --> 00:17:20.640
So give me one that's a bit too small.

401
00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:22.920
So all my chest is bursting out of this thing.

402
00:17:22.980 --> 00:17:27.599
The 2nd Denise Crosby and Marina Surtis see him in it, they both

403
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piss themselves laughing, don't they?

404
00:17:30.180 --> 00:17:33.900
I will talk about that because that's a very formative moment for

405
00:17:33.900 --> 00:17:36.660
me that...

406
00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:37.680
Yeah, I'm afraid so.

407
00:17:38.940 --> 00:17:41.279
Is he still your type now?

408
00:17:41.339 --> 00:17:45.720
No, not at all, but I do like a hairy chest and when I was young

409
00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:52.440
and closeted and that was really quite a striking image as far as

410
00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:53.099
I was concerned.

411
00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:54.900
It's just a lot, doesn't it?

412
00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:58.500
You was looking at Riker and young me was looking at Wesley

413
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Crusher. that's right.

414
00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:01.559
It's an age different.

415
00:18:01.619 --> 00:18:04.440
Why say sorry about our taste now as well, you know?

416
00:18:04.740 --> 00:18:07.019
Oh, bloody hell.

417
00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:07.980
Back to the Enterprise.

418
00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:09.180
Has anyone got the flu??

419
00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:10.079
Oh no, this is a bit weird.

420
00:18:10.140 --> 00:18:11.819
No, this is where the snowball comes in.

421
00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:13.019
The flu happens.

422
00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:15.839
See, I think Worf is kind of funny in this.

423
00:18:15.900 --> 00:18:17.700
There's a moment in the very 1st scene.

424
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Oh, here we go.

425
00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:19.380
Yep.

426
00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:21.420
So he's the snow hit.

427
00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:22.799
Little mate, doesn't even get a line.

428
00:18:22.859 --> 00:18:26.880
No, no, no, no, his little mates not being paid to say anything.

429
00:18:26.940 --> 00:18:28.500
He's not even being paid to look...

430
00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:30.119
You notice how, there's one or two.

431
00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:32.400
They love getting stuff all over Picard's uniform.

432
00:18:32.460 --> 00:18:34.980
Do you remember Sonya Naff and the hot chocolate?

433
00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:37.559
Lucioneff playing Sonya Gomez?

434
00:18:37.619 --> 00:18:38.519
Oh, sorry.

435
00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:39.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

436
00:18:39.299 --> 00:18:40.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

437
00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:40.980
Yeah.

438
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Sonya Nap.

439
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Sonia and F. Oh, there's a she's back now, Dex, you know, Captain

440
00:18:46.740 --> 00:18:49.019
Gomez writes you about it.

441
00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:52.200
The bit where they get in the turbo lift and the 2 of them just

442
00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:54.599
stare out waiting for the door to shut.

443
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It's just everything about it, the way it's acted, the way it's

444
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directed.

445
00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:00.720
It's so robotic.

446
00:19:00.779 --> 00:19:01.500
Watch them.

447
00:19:02.099 --> 00:19:03.900
Yeah, yeah.

448
00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:05.759
They don't even look at each other.

449
00:19:05.819 --> 00:19:07.319
They don't even talk...

450
00:19:07.380 --> 00:19:08.819
Will's not having a facial expression.

451
00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:11.039
So this stuff is stupid, isn't it?

452
00:19:11.099 --> 00:19:14.640
Like why Data hasn't heard of perfume and doesn't know the word

453
00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:16.140
aphrodisiac?

454
00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:17.279
Do you know what I mean?

455
00:19:17.339 --> 00:19:18.000
Like, what is that?

456
00:19:18.059 --> 00:19:22.019
Like, that's always had a database of all human intellects in his

457
00:19:22.019 --> 00:19:22.259
head.

458
00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:22.920
Yeah, yeah.

459
00:19:22.980 --> 00:19:26.759
Like, I can just about get, you know, understand that he might not

460
00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:30.000
know slang or something, but how does he not know a word like

461
00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:30.779
aphrodisiac?

462
00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:32.039
God.

463
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Afridiziac is used to stimulate and enhold sexual pleasure.

464
00:19:35.339 --> 00:19:38.880
See, this is all this horny roddenberry shit as well. which just

465
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is so like look at the way they're looking at each other.

466
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Trent, fuck off.

467
00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:43.619
Go away.

468
00:19:45.420 --> 00:19:50.160
And then he comes in and starts spraying the perfume on himself

469
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for some reason.

470
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Is that to show that the men are a bit feminine in this world?

471
00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:55.140
Yeah, yeah, I think so.

472
00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:56.039
I think so.

473
00:19:56.099 --> 00:19:59.759
There are better ways of doing that, sort of more subtle ways.

474
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Yeah.

475
00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:02.160
Yeah.

476
00:20:02.220 --> 00:20:05.519
Oh, can we talk about this backdrop out the window, please?

477
00:20:05.579 --> 00:20:06.779
Oh my god.

478
00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:08.940
Yeah, aren't there rocks out the window?

479
00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:09.900
We're in a city.

480
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In a city.

481
00:20:11.460 --> 00:20:13.200
We've seen them at painting.

482
00:20:13.259 --> 00:20:13.980
I've ever seen.

483
00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:15.480
Awful.

484
00:20:15.539 --> 00:20:18.960
Oh my god, you can actually see Riker's chest hair sort of

485
00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:20.400
bursting out his uniform there.

486
00:20:20.460 --> 00:20:21.779
It's good, isn't it?

487
00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:23.160
He's all man, Nathan.

488
00:20:23.220 --> 00:20:23.940
He is.

489
00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.880
Oh, yeah, like in these trees.

490
00:20:26.940 --> 00:20:28.380
It's so bad isn't it?

491
00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:34.079
Like, you know, you could go to a, a, like, couldn't you just go

492
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to an office block or a hotel or something?

493
00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:39.000
Do you remember an enterprise where they go to that miserable

494
00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:43.319
cheap conference room in that sort of crappy holiday inn in order

495
00:20:43.319 --> 00:20:47.039
to, you know, for the final 2nd or the 2nd last episode?

496
00:20:47.099 --> 00:20:48.420
At least they're outside.

497
00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:49.799
This is so terrible.

498
00:20:49.859 --> 00:20:53.880
Can I just please watch Mrs. Bearta and how she tosses her head

499
00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:54.839
with every line?

500
00:20:54.900 --> 00:21:00.059
Her hair sort of moves dramatically, but she's drunk on power, this

501
00:21:00.059 --> 00:21:00.299
woman.

502
00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:02.819
With that skinny armed woman.

503
00:21:04.859 --> 00:21:06.539
What is it?

504
00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:08.460
I'll do the line for a far beyond the scars.

505
00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:12.960
Her arms may be skinny, but her hair is art.

506
00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:19.980
I mean, I think the shampoo supplies on Angel one must be through

507
00:21:19.980 --> 00:21:20.759
the roof, you know.

508
00:21:20.819 --> 00:21:22.619
They must have to have it all shipped in.

509
00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:24.420
Yeah, yeah, but look at the guards.

510
00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:26.759
The guards, women aren't wearing makeup and they don't have

511
00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:27.839
massive 80s hair.

512
00:21:27.900 --> 00:21:30.059
You know, they've just got slicked back hair.

513
00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:30.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

514
00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:31.740
Yeah, the guy.

515
00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:35.640
They told it gay, because they're in, you know, oh, okay, they're

516
00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:36.299
like lesbians.

517
00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:36.720
Yeah.

518
00:21:37.740 --> 00:21:41.579
Oh, here's Kate, the fact you can see now, Maurice Hurley's

519
00:21:41.579 --> 00:21:45.119
watching the Russians coming in at this episode going, now, get

520
00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:46.259
rid of her in series two.

521
00:21:46.380 --> 00:21:49.259
I mean, she's not great in this, is she?

522
00:21:49.380 --> 00:21:50.519
Well, no.

523
00:21:50.579 --> 00:21:52.440
But you know, look at the material.

524
00:21:52.500 --> 00:21:59.519
I think I think what might have sold this is, and it may be the

525
00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:05.160
original idea is that they've never had the cold before.

526
00:22:05.220 --> 00:22:06.539
They've never had a cold.

527
00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:09.599
You know, the cold, the common cold has been cured because it's

528
00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:10.619
the 21st century.

529
00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:13.440
No one ever gets respiratory viruses anymore.

530
00:22:13.500 --> 00:22:16.559
And so we see the ship laid low by the common cold.

531
00:22:16.619 --> 00:22:24.180
And that's at least a hook to give that plot something, but it's

532
00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:24.720
still just shit.

533
00:22:24.779 --> 00:22:28.559
You know, like a number of episodes where people are sick.

534
00:22:28.619 --> 00:22:30.839
Oh yeah, yeah, but that doesn't matter.

535
00:22:30.900 --> 00:22:33.000
This is just in this context. you know what I mean?

536
00:22:33.059 --> 00:22:36.900
We're learning what the 24th century is like in this season.

537
00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:38.220
It's one of the things they do.

538
00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:41.220
It's one of the reasons why they waste time on stuff that you

539
00:22:41.220 --> 00:22:43.859
would never waste time on, you know, in a later episode.

540
00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:47.460
But you can't win with it because you can't play, well, everyone

541
00:22:47.460 --> 00:22:51.000
on Earth Price gets as cold as drama, which is what they try and

542
00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:51.240
do.

543
00:22:51.299 --> 00:22:52.500
Yeah, it's dismal.

544
00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:55.259
But then you can't sort of underplay it because it's like, well

545
00:22:55.259 --> 00:22:55.799
then what are we doing?

546
00:22:55.859 --> 00:22:58.079
But you play it for comedy.

547
00:22:58.140 --> 00:23:02.039
So you have sneezing wharf and you have everyone kind of shitty at

548
00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:03.779
their job because they've got a cold.

549
00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:08.279
Yeah, like sneezes are so loud, they reverberate around the ship.

550
00:23:08.339 --> 00:23:10.619
Well, you know that's nearly a joke.

551
00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:11.880
That's approaching a joke.

552
00:23:11.940 --> 00:23:14.099
It's closest to a joke that this episode gets.

553
00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.799
It's certainly much better than the crap joke at the end, which is

554
00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:17.819
so bad.

555
00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:20.700
There was one wonderful bit, you know, where La Forge sat in the

556
00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:23.759
command share for the 1st time and looked so proud that he was

557
00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:24.000
there.

558
00:23:24.059 --> 00:23:24.839
I did like that.

559
00:23:24.900 --> 00:23:25.559
I love that.

560
00:23:25.619 --> 00:23:26.640
The music is really good.

561
00:23:26.700 --> 00:23:29.819
And then Worf later, when Worf says, no, no, don't go to

562
00:23:29.819 --> 00:23:32.339
engineering and fix the thing, other people can do that.

563
00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:33.240
You stay here.

564
00:23:33.299 --> 00:23:34.799
And Worf appreciates it.

565
00:23:34.859 --> 00:23:35.579
All right, all right.

566
00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:42.839
So this scene is offensive because the women laugh at him dressing

567
00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:46.440
in a gender non-conforming way.

568
00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:51.000
And he doesn't give a shit because he's a man and he's secure in

569
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.380
his sexuality.

570
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:53.640
He's quite happy to wear this.

571
00:23:53.700 --> 00:23:55.859
He doesn't think it's any different from wearing feathers on

572
00:23:55.859 --> 00:23:57.359
Armist 9 or whatever.

573
00:23:57.420 --> 00:23:59.279
Armist 9 as well.

574
00:23:59.339 --> 00:24:00.660
Like, I don't know what that is.

575
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:03.960
Are you sure it's because it's a non-conformist gender costume or

576
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:05.819
just a fucking ridiculous costume?

577
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:07.019
No, no, either.

578
00:24:07.019 --> 00:24:08.880
Look at what they're wearing.

579
00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:10.140
Look at what Troy's wearing.

580
00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:11.579
She's hardly in a position.

581
00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:12.480
Do you know what I mean?

582
00:24:12.539 --> 00:24:15.059
Like, it's not that they object ridiculous clothes.

583
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:16.920
He does look stupid though.

584
00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:18.299
Oh, no, no.

585
00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:18.779
Yeah.

586
00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:22.680
Look, he does he does a bit, but I do think that they're laughing

587
00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:26.160
at him because he's not, you know, not being gender conforming.

588
00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:29.400
And I think that's sort of means what you would ever do in the

589
00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:29.519
room.

590
00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:30.779
Exactly right.

591
00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:31.980
He's a grown-up about it.

592
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:33.359
He's not being a dickhead about it.

593
00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:35.160
Oh, he says me?

594
00:24:35.220 --> 00:24:37.740
I wore feathers on that other planet and you didn't laugh at me

595
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:37.980
then.

596
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:39.299
Armist nine.

597
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:40.500
Yeah, I noticed that.

598
00:24:41.099 --> 00:24:44.160
They must have had the word arm was flying around the office

599
00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:44.940
somewhere.

600
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:46.259
Yeah.

601
00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:50.220
Oh, this scene between James McFadden and Patrick Stewart.

602
00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:53.460
I think I sent you the clip where she's like, you are not able to

603
00:24:53.460 --> 00:24:54.720
work, Jean-Bu.

604
00:24:54.779 --> 00:24:55.380
You are sick.

605
00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:57.299
Please go to bed.

606
00:24:57.359 --> 00:24:59.759
He's like, doctor, I've got a ship to run.

607
00:24:59.819 --> 00:25:04.079
I'm like, when I said to you earlier, how did they ever recover

608
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:04.500
from this?

609
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:05.579
It seems like that.

610
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:08.759
Well, I'm like, what, what are they doing?

611
00:25:08.819 --> 00:25:09.900
What are they trying to do?

612
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:10.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

613
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.880
But that's the only thing I can imagine is that the thing is the

614
00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:19.019
ships brought low by a common cold and that's not, you know, that's

615
00:25:19.019 --> 00:25:20.579
something that we wouldn't care about.

616
00:25:20.700 --> 00:25:22.440
That's what a great story, is it?

617
00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:24.839
No, it's not great, but it's certainly better than this.

618
00:25:24.900 --> 00:25:27.480
Like, there seems to be no reason for this at all.

619
00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:32.880
Oh, look, LeVar, he's probably...

620
00:25:33.660 --> 00:25:35.160
Wolf giving him the advice as well.

621
00:25:35.220 --> 00:25:38.700
Geordie, nice. you know, there's other people that can do that for

622
00:25:38.700 --> 00:25:39.059
you now.

623
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:39.720
You're in charge.

624
00:25:39.779 --> 00:25:40.559
I think it's really good.

625
00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:42.359
Oh, God almighty.

626
00:25:42.539 --> 00:25:45.900
See, I'm laughing now.

627
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.140
No, he's nothing for me.

628
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:49.920
I'm afraid.

629
00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:54.000
No, no, he doesn't do anything for me even now, but like now, no.

630
00:25:54.059 --> 00:25:59.160
But at the time, like, that is one hell of a good hairy chest, I

631
00:25:59.160 --> 00:25:59.519
have to say.

632
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:01.200
If that was Avery Brooks right now.

633
00:26:01.259 --> 00:26:02.700
Now, you might be talking.

634
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:03.240
Okay?

635
00:26:03.299 --> 00:26:04.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

636
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:06.779
No, I mean, he doesn't do anything for me particularly.

637
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:12.240
I mean, but I do think he's a lovely man and like, yeah, like they

638
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:15.000
come off as just looking stupid and trivial.

639
00:26:15.059 --> 00:26:16.200
Do you know what I mean?

640
00:26:16.259 --> 00:26:16.680
The women.

641
00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:18.059
And that's...

642
00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:20.579
That's all he's bad on the actresses, but it's nothing to do with

643
00:26:20.579 --> 00:26:20.700
them.

644
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:21.839
It's just this terrible script.

645
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:25.259
No, but this is just like women are crap.

646
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:25.980
Do you know what I mean?

647
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:26.759
Women are stupid.

648
00:26:26.819 --> 00:26:30.720
He's noble and self-assured and stuff and they're being trivial

649
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:31.740
and laughing at his clothes.

650
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:33.960
I just think that makes them look stupid.

651
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:36.000
Oh my god.

652
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.640
You had your opportunity to object to Ariel.

653
00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:40.799
You were in the minority.

654
00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:43.619
It's like listen to Shakespeare, isn't it?

655
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:45.599
That ear thing is bad.

656
00:26:45.660 --> 00:26:49.079
I have to say the ear thing that Riker is wearing is very bad.

657
00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:51.960
It's a bit like their Bajoran earring, isn't it?

658
00:26:52.019 --> 00:26:53.460
Yeah, but crapper though.

659
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:53.880
Look at it.

660
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.160
Actually, now I'm looking at it more closely.

661
00:26:56.220 --> 00:26:57.539
You know, that's sort of silks and that.

662
00:26:57.599 --> 00:26:58.500
They're quite rich, aren't they?

663
00:26:58.619 --> 00:26:59.700
I don't think it's terrible.

664
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:00.539
I think it's all right.

665
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:02.519
Oh, it's just the way its chest is out.

666
00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:06.720
Yeah, yeah, it's all right. run your hands through that.

667
00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:07.559
That's okay.

668
00:27:07.619 --> 00:27:11.279
It's always, it's certainly in series one and two.

669
00:27:11.339 --> 00:27:13.259
They tone it down from 3 onwards.

670
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:15.960
He's always exerting his masculinity, isn't he?

671
00:27:16.019 --> 00:27:16.559
In every scene.

672
00:27:16.619 --> 00:27:18.119
Every posture.

673
00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:19.740
He carries himself.

674
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:20.400
Yeah.

675
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:22.619
Yeah.

676
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:27.480
I wondered, you know, if they weren't a little bit jealous, Troy

677
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:28.740
and Y'all, in this.

678
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.980
I thought they were doing a bit of that when they're mocking him.

679
00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:34.019
Because there's another episode.

680
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:37.799
There's another episode where he fucks somebody and y'all gets a

681
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:39.359
bit a bit off about it.

682
00:27:39.420 --> 00:27:42.059
Well, in fact, he even calls him on it, doesn't he?

683
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:45.299
Is this is the issue that it's Mistress Beardo and she's a

684
00:27:45.299 --> 00:27:45.779
beautiful woman?

685
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.119
You know, is that the is that the problem that you have?

686
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.059
They should have said, no, you just look really silly.

687
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:57.839
I don't know There is a way they could have laughed and it could

688
00:27:57.839 --> 00:27:58.380
have worked.

689
00:27:58.500 --> 00:28:00.000
But you're right.

690
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:00.960
Yeah, they could have.

691
00:28:01.019 --> 00:28:04.019
Yeah, it just seems petty, you know.

692
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:10.259
Okay, so, uh, Yar and Troy now are going to be doing the

693
00:28:10.259 --> 00:28:14.220
investigations because Mrs. Bearta says, you know, are your women

694
00:28:14.220 --> 00:28:17.880
incapable of carrying out the investigation without you, whilst I

695
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:18.839
bonk you senseless?

696
00:28:18.900 --> 00:28:20.940
Yeah, no, but he's made the point.

697
00:28:21.059 --> 00:28:22.440
He said we're equal.

698
00:28:22.500 --> 00:28:26.880
And of course, as we've seen, you know, the gender politics on

699
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:28.680
board the Enterprise, like terrible.

700
00:28:28.740 --> 00:28:31.799
Nathan, you've got to watch this whip pan now around the set.

701
00:28:31.859 --> 00:28:32.700
It's so bad.

702
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:34.559
Watch the camera move around.

703
00:28:34.619 --> 00:28:34.980
Ready?

704
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:38.279
Oh, that is bad.

705
00:28:38.339 --> 00:28:39.839
That's really terrible.

706
00:28:39.900 --> 00:28:47.160
And who's this fucking MacGyver ass looking bastard. like Richard

707
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:48.539
Dean Anderson, doesn't it?

708
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:49.079
It does.

709
00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:50.460
It's so bad.

710
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:52.259
He's so hideous.

711
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.880
So this is his only Star Trek as well, but he has a long history

712
00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.900
of being in literally everything ever in 80s television.

713
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.539
See, then... she wrote.

714
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:04.619
I'm sure he did.

715
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:05.880
He probably did.

716
00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:07.619
He did some moonlighting and stuff.

717
00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:11.400
Diagnosis murder, all of them, the daytime TV shows.

718
00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:15.119
So why does he want to stay because he's falling in love with

719
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:16.019
Mistress Ariel?

720
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:17.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

721
00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:19.740
Is she mistress Ariel or just Ariel?

722
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:21.420
I don't know. don't know.

723
00:29:22.259 --> 00:29:24.420
Just to give her some respect.

724
00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:25.799
Yeah, I think.

725
00:29:25.859 --> 00:29:27.299
Okay, she's his best Biata.

726
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:29.460
He's in a situation of peril, is he?

727
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:31.920
Or are they just being left to stay in the cave?

728
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.019
So they're high.

729
00:29:34.019 --> 00:29:35.220
Why am I asking these questions?

730
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:41.400
So they're hiding out because they've clearly fallen foul of the

731
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:45.180
authorities because they've started advocating for men's rights.

732
00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:50.039
And so they've gone into hiding and aerial has a secret

733
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:53.640
relationship with fucking MacGyver.

734
00:29:53.700 --> 00:30:01.200
Um, and, um, and so she sneaks out and sees him and stuff.

735
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:02.279
So that's where they're hiding.

736
00:30:02.339 --> 00:30:04.619
They kind of political refugees and stuff.

737
00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:07.559
But, but, you know, they don't know where they are.

738
00:30:07.619 --> 00:30:08.460
That's the thing.

739
00:30:08.579 --> 00:30:12.539
That Bayata doesn't know where they are, so can't get hold of

740
00:30:12.539 --> 00:30:12.779
them.

741
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:18.900
And for me, I think the twist was that when we arrive, they say we

742
00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:20.220
don't want to go.

743
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:20.819
Do you know what I mean?

744
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:24.900
We just assume, of course, that they want to go, but they've put

745
00:30:24.900 --> 00:30:26.519
down roots and that's a surprise.

746
00:30:26.579 --> 00:30:30.900
And it's supposed to be a twist as well, that Vicious Ariel's in a

747
00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:31.920
relationship with one of them.

748
00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:33.059
Yeah, that's much more boring.

749
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.039
That's been signposted quite a bit.

750
00:30:35.099 --> 00:30:37.799
It goes it goes somewhere a bit different.

751
00:30:37.859 --> 00:30:40.799
It's kind of like, no, we don't want to go, and it turns out that

752
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.359
you can do nothing to make us go.

753
00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:44.700
And I think that's kind of interesting.

754
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:45.779
That was a surprise.

755
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:51.180
And then when they come back and say, look, sorry, we can't take

756
00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:51.539
them.

757
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.539
We said we would, but we didn't realise that they would want to

758
00:30:54.539 --> 00:30:54.960
stay.

759
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.559
She says, all right, well, I'm going to execute them.

760
00:30:58.680 --> 00:30:59.880
And that was a surprise as well.

761
00:30:59.940 --> 00:31:03.599
Like, I thought both of those were decent twists in what is a

762
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:04.680
pretty mean.

763
00:31:04.740 --> 00:31:05.460
We got know these people.

764
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:06.900
No, we don't.

765
00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:07.859
There's no impact on anything.

766
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:10.319
Like why is any of this relevant to anything at all?

767
00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:13.079
What is it telling us about our regular characters?

768
00:31:13.140 --> 00:31:15.119
You know, what are we learning about anybody in this?

769
00:31:15.180 --> 00:31:18.119
No, no, no, but that's not what this show is doing.

770
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.460
It's about how he's the mission going.

771
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:22.140
Yeah, but then not doing it yet.

772
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:26.099
And they're still mostly about what the mission is.

773
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:27.480
Like how does the mission go?

774
00:31:27.539 --> 00:31:30.720
So these are too surprising obstacles for our mission, I guess.

775
00:31:30.779 --> 00:31:34.980
What a very nice sort of flowery mandala on the...

776
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:35.220
Yeah.

777
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:38.099
Did you notice the sort of crystal lamp in the caves as well?

778
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:41.220
It was a bit out of place, sort of hanging down from stone.

779
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:42.779
There we go.

780
00:31:43.500 --> 00:31:47.519
She's got a very small room given she's sort of leader of this

781
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:48.779
huge grand world.

782
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:53.339
Just a tiny, tiny corner of the studio.

783
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:57.180
It's like you say, it's like some dreary old back alley travel

784
00:31:57.180 --> 00:31:57.720
lodge.

785
00:31:57.779 --> 00:31:59.220
It really?

786
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:00.779
It's smaller than that.

787
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:02.099
Like, yeah, yeah.

788
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:06.720
To be fair, I should, I should, you know, um, I should be able to

789
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.779
appreciate these scenes because I've spent a few times, you know

790
00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:13.440
in back alley travel lodges having it off with.

791
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:18.720
I mean, I always find it's really odd though. really really odd.

792
00:32:18.779 --> 00:32:19.980
I found it odd with Kirk.

793
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:23.880
I find it odd with Riker that even though I know she wants to fuck

794
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:27.660
she wants to be fucked, Mistress Bearta, that these people can go

795
00:32:27.660 --> 00:32:31.859
on these missions and just beam down and have sex with the leaders

796
00:32:31.859 --> 00:32:32.640
of the planets.

797
00:32:32.700 --> 00:32:38.819
But even... is that how Ambassador will... duties happen on this

798
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:39.180
planet.

799
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:40.740
Like, people get to do it.

800
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:44.339
Captain Pike does it in series, one of Strange New Worlds, in one

801
00:32:44.339 --> 00:32:46.859
of the episodes that you haven't seen, Lift Us, where Suffering

802
00:32:46.859 --> 00:32:49.319
cannot reach, or whatever it's called, which is a really good

803
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.500
episode, and he has a lead of a planet that he fucks as well

804
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:56.039
relations might be there might be some sort of issues there.

805
00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:57.299
Well they do talk about that.

806
00:32:57.359 --> 00:32:58.920
They actually do talk about that.

807
00:32:58.980 --> 00:33:00.900
I actually love that line.

808
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:02.819
I have to say, will you respect me in the morning?

809
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:04.019
She goes, yes, I hope so.

810
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:07.019
Oh, Trent, fuck off, honestly, what are you doing?

811
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.839
Well, no, I don't get this. because...

812
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:12.720
It looks like they're about to have it off.

813
00:33:12.779 --> 00:33:14.519
He walks in handsome this.

814
00:33:14.579 --> 00:33:16.980
They play with it for a bit and then they have it off anyway.

815
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:18.900
It's just killing time this, isn't it?

816
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.299
This is what is this important?

817
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:22.680
he's jealous.

818
00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:26.700
Maybe he does look a little bit downcast, doesn't he?

819
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:27.960
I don't know what that is.

820
00:33:28.019 --> 00:33:28.980
Crystal.

821
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.920
No, that's a very expensive prop.

822
00:33:31.980 --> 00:33:33.119
They put a light bulb in it.

823
00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:33.960
She's super impressed.

824
00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:37.140
This is the sort of thing my other raft takes to piss out all the

825
00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:37.380
time.

826
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.500
I could just see him now going, oh, thank you, Commander Rikerfel

827
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:43.140
this amazing gift that you brought to our planet.

828
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:44.819
That's right.

829
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:45.599
Very impressive.

830
00:33:45.660 --> 00:33:47.099
Look, it lines up.

831
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:48.660
Now I'm going to repay.

832
00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:49.980
I must repay.

833
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:51.900
But what does that mean, in kind?

834
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:53.099
She's going to give him a crystal?

835
00:33:53.220 --> 00:33:54.660
What's happening?

836
00:33:54.779 --> 00:33:57.000
Very chaste kiss as well, isn't it?

837
00:33:57.059 --> 00:33:57.359
You know?

838
00:33:57.420 --> 00:34:01.680
No, she was properly getting, like, rubbing his, um, rubbing his

839
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:02.819
chest. yeah.

840
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:04.259
Yeah, well, you would, wouldn't you?

841
00:34:04.619 --> 00:34:05.460
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

842
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:09.179
Shut up, Richard Dean Anderson, you fucking asshole.

843
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:10.079
What's happening?

844
00:34:10.139 --> 00:34:13.260
My point is, okay, is that when you have sex with somebody?

845
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.320
The relationship changes a lot.

846
00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:21.719
You know, this is this is the 24th century and it's post-jealousy

847
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:23.159
just horny sex.

848
00:34:23.219 --> 00:34:25.079
It's uh, that's that's the thing.

849
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:30.300
Well, I think that this is the absolute motivation.

850
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.119
It is, you know, sex with large women.

851
00:34:33.179 --> 00:34:36.900
And like Mr. Ramsey actually says, you know, the women I hear are

852
00:34:36.900 --> 00:34:40.440
beautiful and strong and sexy and stuff and that was really great

853
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:43.079
for a while and then they started not giving me the vote and, you

854
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:44.219
know, telling me to shut up.

855
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:48.000
And that was terrible and I couldn't tolerate that.

856
00:34:48.059 --> 00:34:52.800
You know, um, And all of that political stuff is just this sort of

857
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:56.340
weird background to the fact that it's the planet where you get to

858
00:34:56.340 --> 00:34:59.039
have sex with Mistress Bayata, essentially.

859
00:34:59.099 --> 00:35:00.179
Geo, isn't it?

860
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:00.840
isn't that icky?

861
00:35:00.900 --> 00:35:02.099
Yeah, it is icky.

862
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:07.079
So this, there, TV tropes has a name for the trope where you go to

863
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:08.519
a planet and it's run by women.

864
00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:10.500
Is there something called TV troops?

865
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. take it on.com.

866
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.599
It's actually a thing. it's worth looking at.

867
00:35:15.659 --> 00:35:16.559
What was it called?

868
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:19.079
It's called Ladyland.

869
00:35:22.619 --> 00:35:26.519
We do too many ladylands, do we, in Star Trek?

870
00:35:26.579 --> 00:35:28.139
There's a few Star Trek.

871
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:33.300
But it is a sort of thing that happens and it almost always is

872
00:35:33.300 --> 00:35:35.099
about how crazy women are.

873
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.199
It's not about how gender.

874
00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:42.119
It's that's because the proper kind of gender inequality is when

875
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:43.739
men tell women what to do.

876
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:48.179
That's normal and not crazy, but when women are telling men what

877
00:35:48.179 --> 00:35:51.119
to do, you know, that's terrible and outrageous.

878
00:35:51.179 --> 00:35:53.460
And that's what the outcast does as well.

879
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:54.300
Remember?

880
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:58.320
The outcast is, it's a planet where heterosexuality is forbidden

881
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:04.199
and it's enforced by a, a large group of humourless lesbians who

882
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:08.519
persecute the hapless straight people, and that's our pro-gay

883
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:12.599
message episode of Star Trek, the next generation.

884
00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:13.559
It's terrible.

885
00:36:13.619 --> 00:36:16.559
Well, you know, recently we did far beyond the stars, which was

886
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:20.579
all about a writer in the 50s, dreaming of a better future, where

887
00:36:20.579 --> 00:36:24.300
you know, black people get to be in positions of power and space.

888
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:29.099
And here we are in 1987 in Star Trek, the Next Generation, dreaming

889
00:36:29.099 --> 00:36:32.039
of a future where women might actually be in charge.

890
00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:33.119
I mean, it's...

891
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.699
So that's the thing, though.

892
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:36.840
Do you know what I mean?

893
00:36:36.900 --> 00:36:41.940
Like you can do a, you can do a kind of allegory of racism.

894
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.059
You can do something like that, let that be your last battlefield

895
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:49.739
um The strategism of racism.

896
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:51.539
Oh, yeah, this is racism.

897
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.820
Do they do they ever do it well?

898
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.960
Yeah, yeah, turn that intro is great.

899
00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:02.099
Shut up.

900
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:07.199
No, but like what happens is this no longer is an issue, is it?

901
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:12.659
Now, in Kurtzman Trek, because women are just equals and hugely

902
00:37:12.659 --> 00:37:15.000
competent and fabulous, you know?

903
00:37:15.059 --> 00:37:21.119
Well, in fact, in fact, still, I think Strange New Worlds is the

904
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:25.559
1st Star Trek series to have more women than men in the opening

905
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:26.579
titles.

906
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:31.619
You know, but it's still run by, you know, like 2 men.

907
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:35.460
Oh, well, Una's the 2nd in command, but you've got Spock and

908
00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:36.360
Pike.

909
00:37:36.420 --> 00:37:40.500
It's worth noting, you know, when Doctor Who threatens to Planet

910
00:37:40.500 --> 00:37:45.719
of the Women in Prison in Space and Mission to Magnus, both times

911
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.519
they were cut short.

912
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:52.500
Because, yeah, yeah, we know enough about what those would have

913
00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:54.059
been like and they would have been horrific.

914
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:56.099
Trent, can you fuck off?

915
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:57.000
Get out.

916
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:58.800
Honestly, every time.

917
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:00.480
I always find it very strange.

918
00:38:00.539 --> 00:38:03.840
This is going to sound awful when very short people are sort of

919
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:04.860
muscled like that.

920
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:08.820
I think that's cute, but I don't think trend is cute though.

921
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:10.199
No, trend is not cute.

922
00:38:10.260 --> 00:38:12.840
I'm not really sure there's anyone too cute in this.

923
00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:15.360
Well, Tasha's pretty cute, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

924
00:38:15.420 --> 00:38:18.239
Oh, I could put that hairy chest away.

925
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:19.800
No, I'm watching it.

926
00:38:19.860 --> 00:38:20.400
Shut up.

927
00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:21.599
I'm watching the heritage.

928
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:27.239
I love how flakes are so unfazed by all of them.

929
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:32.219
But that's actually, that's, I look amazing.

930
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:33.659
Why shouldn't everyone see me?

931
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:34.980
But that's it.

932
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:38.760
I think, you know, the bits of Riker that are freaks, you know, the

933
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:41.639
things that we love about Riker that are also the things that we

934
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:45.659
love about our parasocial relationship with John Frakes.

935
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:50.039
I think it works. way better when they tone that avert masculinity

936
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:50.460
down.

937
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:52.199
And he's charming.

938
00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:54.480
He's so much more attractive when he's charming.

939
00:38:54.539 --> 00:38:59.039
I think Stuart has said, if Jonathan could get his shirt...

940
00:38:59.099 --> 00:39:01.199
I'm sorry, I'm going to get lied out in this episode.

941
00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:02.519
He's been working out.

942
00:39:02.579 --> 00:39:08.460
What's your excuse Well, I mean, I mean, to be fair, Nathan, I'll

943
00:39:08.460 --> 00:39:11.579
be happy with a body like that. don't get me wrong Patrick

944
00:39:11.579 --> 00:39:14.519
Stewart's about your age, I think. in this episode.

945
00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:18.960
By the time we get to 1st contact, you know, when he's topless.

946
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:22.199
And he's hanging from the ceiling. looks fantastic.

947
00:39:22.260 --> 00:39:25.260
They've got him a personal trainer by that for him.

948
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:26.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

949
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:27.360
You know, he's shredded.

950
00:39:27.420 --> 00:39:28.019
But you know what?

951
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:30.539
You see how I can't believe we're having this conversation.

952
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:32.460
You see how his chest hair?

953
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:35.579
It's sort of dark, but then it's got sort of like the white just

954
00:39:35.579 --> 00:39:36.179
on the top there.

955
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.820
I think that's really quite sexy, you know.

956
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.219
You know, just sort of touch of what?

957
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:43.199
Why are you looking down at your chest there, right?

958
00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:45.420
that's what I'm rocking under this hoodie.

959
00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:49.860
Maybe we shouldn't meet again, you know.

960
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.920
Next time we won't be watching justice.

961
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:58.199
Actually, that's why nothing happened when you was here.

962
00:39:58.260 --> 00:40:00.360
We was watching Rodden bree's sex episode.

963
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:01.260
That's right.

964
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:02.159
That's right.

965
00:40:02.219 --> 00:40:07.019
The most unhorny sex episodes that you could possibly imagine. and

966
00:40:07.019 --> 00:40:08.099
Ephonesiacs.

967
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:09.119
Oh, dude.

968
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:11.880
Somehow, Zoo, we was going to end up talking about Chester.

969
00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:15.840
Say that, you know, where he waves his hand and says you are

970
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:19.860
excused, doctor, and he's completely kind of laid low by this.

971
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:21.300
Do you know what I mean?

972
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:25.920
Like, if they were a better show and they had more control, clearly

973
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:27.840
that's meant to be the comedy subplot.

974
00:40:27.900 --> 00:40:28.920
Don't you think?

975
00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:29.519
Am I wrong?

976
00:40:29.699 --> 00:40:32.579
But is it, it's not very funny though, is it?

977
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:33.480
No, that's a problem.

978
00:40:33.539 --> 00:40:35.219
That's how it is so happy.

979
00:40:35.820 --> 00:40:38.639
It is hampered a bit by the fact that it's not very funny, but

980
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:39.599
they are trying for it.

981
00:40:39.659 --> 00:40:44.219
They just sort of learn to be funny, I think, later on, you know

982
00:40:44.219 --> 00:40:45.780
goddess of empathy, that sort of thing.

983
00:40:45.900 --> 00:40:47.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

984
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:48.780
Or disaster.

985
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:51.840
We really enjoyed disaster and thought... when they finally let

986
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:53.400
their hair down and go, do you know what?

987
00:40:53.460 --> 00:40:57.360
We can relax and just, you know, put something a bit absurd on the

988
00:40:57.360 --> 00:40:57.780
screen.

989
00:40:57.840 --> 00:40:59.400
Having a cold is not absurd.

990
00:41:00.059 --> 00:41:04.619
Yeah, but what it's the fish out of water thing, the fact that

991
00:41:04.619 --> 00:41:07.860
they can't cope with having a cold because they're from a future

992
00:41:07.860 --> 00:41:12.179
uh, socialist utopia where the common cold and respiratory

993
00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:14.760
illnesses have been eliminated, you see, that would be fun.

994
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:19.260
At least when DS9 did its virus episode in series one, it was at

995
00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:23.039
it was at a phaseic virus episode where everyone taught bollocks

996
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:24.960
you know, nobody could understand each other.

997
00:41:25.019 --> 00:41:25.860
And then all knew.

998
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.739
No, no, but all you had left was Odo and Quark running the whole

999
00:41:28.739 --> 00:41:29.039
station.

1000
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.239
And that was funny.

1001
00:41:30.300 --> 00:41:31.800
Yeah, yeah.

1002
00:41:31.860 --> 00:41:34.139
You know, oh, here he is.

1003
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:34.920
Here he is.

1004
00:41:34.980 --> 00:41:39.059
Recap your ways, MacGyver, your evil sexist ways.

1005
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:40.260
That's right.

1006
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:43.679
I'm glad the police have apparently beating him up, though.

1007
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:46.679
I've not had a good look at these police women.

1008
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:47.880
Hang on, I need to see.

1009
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:51.360
No, they're men, look.

1010
00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:52.019
They're not women.

1011
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:56.460
No, there, no, those, some of those guys are men, but they're, he's

1012
00:41:56.460 --> 00:41:59.280
they're Ramsey's evil men from the eyes. ocean.

1013
00:41:59.340 --> 00:42:00.119
Yeah.

1014
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:02.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1015
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:03.900
She's looking surly.

1016
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:04.980
Yeah.

1017
00:42:04.980 --> 00:42:08.099
Oh, God, look at, look at her.

1018
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:09.420
What did I say, Alice?

1019
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.559
what's her name again That power couple, Ariel and Ramsey?

1020
00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:19.139
I call them MacGyver and Timothay.

1021
00:42:19.260 --> 00:42:25.139
So what I also like here as well, which I think is the one

1022
00:42:25.139 --> 00:42:27.480
political thing that they get right is that this is absolutely

1023
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:31.079
anti, um, capital punishment.

1024
00:42:31.139 --> 00:42:35.159
And given that America is still absolutely in love with capital

1025
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:39.179
punishment, you know, nearly 40 years after this was broadcast.

1026
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.659
I think just the assumption that capital punishment is brutal and

1027
00:42:42.659 --> 00:42:46.800
ridiculous, which isn't necessarily an assumption in original

1028
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:47.579
trek.

1029
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.159
I'm not sure, but it's very definitely here.

1030
00:42:50.219 --> 00:42:55.199
And one of my favourite lines that is coming up that Denise

1031
00:42:55.199 --> 00:43:01.079
delivers, you know, saying how bad capital punishment is, not in a

1032
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:02.280
kind of something.

1033
00:43:02.340 --> 00:43:03.420
They've already suffered justice.

1034
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:04.079
Do you remember that?

1035
00:43:04.380 --> 00:43:06.000
Yeah, that's true.

1036
00:43:06.059 --> 00:43:09.059
If you fall into a bunch of flowers, You get murdered there.

1037
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:09.960
You get killed.

1038
00:43:10.019 --> 00:43:10.739
Yeah.

1039
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:11.280
Yeah.

1040
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.960
I like the I like Riker the way he knelt down in front of her

1041
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:16.199
there.

1042
00:43:16.260 --> 00:43:18.360
She's like, you'll accomplish nothing, you know, by being

1043
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:19.260
aggressive with me.

1044
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:24.059
So he sort of comes down and puts her in a power position so she

1045
00:43:24.059 --> 00:43:24.719
will talk to him.

1046
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.719
Maybe I'm giving this too much thought.

1047
00:43:27.780 --> 00:43:29.280
No, no, no.

1048
00:43:29.340 --> 00:43:31.260
I think, you know, like I think he's good in this.

1049
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:34.019
There's something, you know, there's something good about him in

1050
00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:34.380
this.

1051
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.139
Oh, look, I don't know.

1052
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:37.920
No one else is good.

1053
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:39.780
Slightly whole Asian man in the background there.

1054
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:40.920
I'm not sure what he's doing, but.

1055
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:43.619
Yeah, no, I think he's someone from the Odin as well.

1056
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.019
There's just a few...

1057
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:47.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1058
00:43:47.460 --> 00:43:50.699
Yeah, certainly you've got MacGyver with his miserable head there

1059
00:43:50.699 --> 00:43:52.139
in the middle of the...

1060
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:55.079
Denise Crosby says every line, like it's going to be her last.

1061
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:57.539
Don't you understand, Ramsey?

1062
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:59.519
You're going to be executed tomorrow.

1063
00:43:59.579 --> 00:44:00.719
You're gonna die.

1064
00:44:01.500 --> 00:44:03.719
She's so great.

1065
00:44:03.780 --> 00:44:05.219
Ah, dear.

1066
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:06.599
She's good when she comes back.

1067
00:44:06.659 --> 00:44:08.099
I don't know what's happening.

1068
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:09.000
No.

1069
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:10.019
Well, yeah.

1070
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:12.300
Just because they were like, we fucked it up. let's get it right

1071
00:44:12.300 --> 00:44:14.880
this time Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1072
00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:17.699
Yeah, you see, I like that.

1073
00:44:17.699 --> 00:44:19.079
Look at that fella in the background there.

1074
00:44:19.139 --> 00:44:21.659
He's also got skinny arms, though, doesn't he?

1075
00:44:21.659 --> 00:44:22.800
I like that.

1076
00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:24.239
I don't mind wet men.

1077
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:27.000
The reason you have to pin down.

1078
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:33.360
We're learning a lot from each other.

1079
00:44:33.420 --> 00:44:36.300
It's like, oh, yeah.

1080
00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:39.059
Who said this isn't one of Angel Dr.?

1081
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:40.860
Next generation can't get you horny.

1082
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:42.119
Yep, yep.

1083
00:44:42.179 --> 00:44:42.780
Me.

1084
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:48.780
I'd see, I'm on games, too, Willie.

1085
00:44:48.900 --> 00:44:52.320
No, Gates, I can't I actually really like that delivery.

1086
00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:53.460
I think it's really good.

1087
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:57.179
And she delivers it in a gateway, you know, not in a McCoy way.

1088
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:01.320
She's just, you know, I can't allow you to bring anyone up and she

1089
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:02.219
knows it's a problem.

1090
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:03.719
I don't know why she's looking up.

1091
00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:05.039
Why is she looking up?

1092
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.980
Because they're on the on the thing.

1093
00:45:08.099 --> 00:45:09.300
I don't know. anyway.

1094
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:10.920
The funniest thing. don't think it's bad.

1095
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:15.360
The funnyest bit with her is when she goes, my god, the smell.

1096
00:45:15.420 --> 00:45:20.820
She goes, an airborne particle is travelling by smell.

1097
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.000
And I'm like, no one could deliver that. and especially not

1098
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:25.260
against that.

1099
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:27.360
And it's such a boring revelation.

1100
00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:28.860
Like, that's the revelation.

1101
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.019
It's a nice smell, so you go...

1102
00:45:31.019 --> 00:45:34.679
And breathe it in and then you get the illness.

1103
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:37.500
But everyone's been going on about this smell that she feels the

1104
00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:39.480
meat to put it all together for us as well.

1105
00:45:39.539 --> 00:45:40.199
Yeah, yeah.

1106
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.440
I don't think there's only 4 year old that hasn't figured that

1107
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:43.559
out.

1108
00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:44.699
No, that's right.

1109
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:45.659
That's right.

1110
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:47.699
Oh what's happening here?

1111
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:49.619
Troy looks very angry.

1112
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:50.639
Sad sack.

1113
00:45:50.699 --> 00:45:53.280
Richard Dean Anderson is there waiting to be executed.

1114
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:56.280
Troy has done nothing.

1115
00:45:56.340 --> 00:46:01.079
No, and she in this planet of the what's called Ladyland episode.

1116
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:02.099
Ladyland.

1117
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:02.400
Yeah.

1118
00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:05.760
Do you ever think about that painting?

1119
00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:08.039
He loves walking in, doesn't he?

1120
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:10.260
Fucking Trent.

1121
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:13.440
Oh, Trent.

1122
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:19.320
I think he'll be fine.

1123
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:22.260
Where she says is that the civilised word for murder on this

1124
00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:22.619
world?

1125
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:24.119
Good for you, girl.

1126
00:46:24.179 --> 00:46:25.019
Bring the politics.

1127
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:25.619
That's awesome.

1128
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:31.260
Yeah, but she's the one that was so thick in justice.

1129
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:34.920
But she picked up the syringe and she went, oh, it's some kind of

1130
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:35.880
a syringe.

1131
00:46:35.940 --> 00:46:37.440
Do you remember when they were about to kill him?

1132
00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:38.579
Yeah?

1133
00:46:38.579 --> 00:46:40.500
She's so great.

1134
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.519
A sort of stupidity rises and falls, depending upon the right of

1135
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:44.880
the episode.

1136
00:46:44.940 --> 00:46:46.139
But I thought that was pretty good.

1137
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:48.360
I thought that was a pretty good line there.

1138
00:46:48.420 --> 00:46:49.559
Data alone on the bridge now.

1139
00:46:49.619 --> 00:46:51.179
This is a show I can buy into.

1140
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.679
They're still talking about the Romulans coming, although I don't

1141
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:56.820
think we see one, do we, in this episode?

1142
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:58.619
No, we don't see the Romulans here.

1143
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.739
And so they're just the kind of the colony that needs the vaccine

1144
00:47:01.739 --> 00:47:02.519
or whatever.

1145
00:47:02.579 --> 00:47:03.300
Do you know what I mean?

1146
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:07.679
We need to get somewhere urgently in order to create some kind of

1147
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:08.639
drama.

1148
00:47:08.699 --> 00:47:10.019
In series one and two.

1149
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:11.699
They always need a vaccine for something.

1150
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:16.739
Some dreadful medical emergency on comedy Planet B. But it also

1151
00:47:16.739 --> 00:47:18.239
does happen in original Trek.

1152
00:47:18.300 --> 00:47:19.860
We've seen it once or twice, haven't we?

1153
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:23.460
Where we've had someone on board urgently telling Kirk that he

1154
00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:24.420
needs to be somewhere else.

1155
00:47:24.539 --> 00:47:27.300
You know, yeah, yeah.

1156
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:29.400
Like that's the thing that happened.

1157
00:47:29.460 --> 00:47:33.900
There is one where we can cut into Beverly Crusher on the planet.

1158
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:35.039
It's in series one.

1159
00:47:35.099 --> 00:47:38.219
I can't remember which episode it is And she just keeps like

1160
00:47:38.219 --> 00:47:41.519
messaging the ship going, people are dying here.

1161
00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:45.840
Get us, at all course, get us the vaccine, you know.

1162
00:47:48.420 --> 00:47:50.280
You're right, though.

1163
00:47:50.340 --> 00:47:54.599
Everything you said about series one in the past is true. don't

1164
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:57.000
really know what they're doing at this point.

1165
00:47:57.059 --> 00:48:00.780
They are, like we said, they are trying lots of things and most of

1166
00:48:00.780 --> 00:48:04.619
it isn't working, which is why in three, someone actually sits

1167
00:48:04.619 --> 00:48:06.119
down and goes, right, what has worked?

1168
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:08.579
And what can we do with this bloody show?

1169
00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:15.900
So this, see, they make it in just like onboard enterprise in um

1170
00:48:15.900 --> 00:48:20.219
in that episode that we, the most recent enterprise we did where

1171
00:48:20.219 --> 00:48:24.059
the religious fanatics take over the ship and they decide to

1172
00:48:24.059 --> 00:48:27.119
disintegrate Archer in the transporter.

1173
00:48:27.179 --> 00:48:30.900
Yeah, but the trouble is, is we care even less for Archer than we

1174
00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:31.860
do about MacGyver here.

1175
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.320
Yeah, that's true either time.

1176
00:48:34.380 --> 00:48:36.900
I do like the fact that they sort of use a crystal ball.

1177
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:39.599
To do their transporter.

1178
00:48:39.659 --> 00:48:40.800
Transporter.

1179
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:41.340
Yeah.

1180
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:45.900
Mid-20th century technology, but they must execute a lot of people

1181
00:48:45.900 --> 00:48:47.940
and they don't want to clean up afterwards.

1182
00:48:48.059 --> 00:48:53.340
And so they have the thing that just sort of disintegrates you

1183
00:48:53.340 --> 00:48:54.360
which they've invented.

1184
00:48:54.420 --> 00:48:57.360
The sort of lesbian security guard was getting a great close-up

1185
00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:57.719
there.

1186
00:48:57.780 --> 00:48:58.139
Did you see?

1187
00:48:58.199 --> 00:48:58.800
Yeah, yeah.

1188
00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:00.480
She wasn't looking at camera.

1189
00:49:00.539 --> 00:49:02.820
I like the one there behind aerial.

1190
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.059
Now, so this speech is just literally fucking nothing.

1191
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:08.159
So he was big speech.

1192
00:49:08.219 --> 00:49:12.719
So he says that these people aren't causing the changes in your

1193
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:17.400
society, which we've heard nothing about, and it's just a thing

1194
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:20.039
that's happening in your society evolution in a sort of

1195
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:21.059
evolutionary way.

1196
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:25.199
And if you kill them, they'll become martyrs and it won't stop

1197
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:26.699
anything.

1198
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:35.159
Um, And I I actually like the bit where Ariel just says, oh, for

1199
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:38.579
God's sake, Beata, you know, and she goes, yes, okay, right.

1200
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:40.440
And she can't bring herself to kill them.

1201
00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:45.539
Like, I think the reason isn't this contentless speech that Riker

1202
00:49:45.539 --> 00:49:46.019
gives.

1203
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:50.460
It's uh, it's just like a little moment of kind of humanity and

1204
00:49:50.460 --> 00:49:53.519
sympathy that means that she, she doesn't do it.

1205
00:49:53.579 --> 00:49:58.440
He sums it all up, Nathan, with martyrs cannot be silenced.

1206
00:49:58.500 --> 00:50:00.599
Yeah, but it's just like nothing.

1207
00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:03.840
They've got nothing to say about patriarchy because they're not

1208
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:04.500
interested in it.

1209
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:06.179
I'm so sorry.

1210
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:09.420
Trent's nipple was caught on his clothes there.

1211
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:09.960
Did you see?

1212
00:50:10.019 --> 00:50:11.280
Oh no, I didn't.

1213
00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:12.360
I wasn't really looking.

1214
00:50:12.420 --> 00:50:14.340
You don't want to see it, really.

1215
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:15.539
Yeah, awful.

1216
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:17.280
Trent.

1217
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:24.599
You've punctuated this entire episode with fuck off, Trent.

1218
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:29.820
There he is.

1219
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:31.679
See, Trent, he's a killer as well.

1220
00:50:31.739 --> 00:50:33.719
He's their executioner, the little shit.

1221
00:50:33.780 --> 00:50:36.179
He does have sort of an androgynous face, doesn't he?

1222
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:37.619
It's perfect for Lau.

1223
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:39.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1224
00:50:39.780 --> 00:50:42.719
I want to see what board your episode is in now.

1225
00:50:42.780 --> 00:50:45.179
Maybe we'll roll it next.

1226
00:50:46.139 --> 00:50:47.880
That's it.

1227
00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:52.019
We'll do a series of episodes centred around Trent.

1228
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:55.800
Oh, look, she's, look at the way Mistress Biarta flounces out of a

1229
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:55.980
room.

1230
00:50:56.460 --> 00:50:59.639
They're terrible outfits, aren't they?

1231
00:50:59.699 --> 00:51:00.659
The women are quite tall.

1232
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:02.219
Yeah, you know, I'm going to say a lot.

1233
00:51:02.219 --> 00:51:04.920
They're nearly as tall as, as, um, thing.

1234
00:51:04.980 --> 00:51:08.460
They're not the design of the gap, but they are the colours, the

1235
00:51:08.460 --> 00:51:09.840
sort of primary colours they love.

1236
00:51:09.900 --> 00:51:10.739
It's terrible.

1237
00:51:10.860 --> 00:51:12.059
It's terrible.

1238
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:15.659
I mean, I'm not sure any outfits are worse than what Jake Sisco

1239
00:51:15.659 --> 00:51:17.099
wears in DS9 in.

1240
00:51:17.219 --> 00:51:19.739
But this would be a close second.

1241
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.800
He's smart, casual, where...

1242
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.500
Although, when that turned up in that lower decks episode, the

1243
00:51:25.500 --> 00:51:27.840
other day, the jumpsuit.

1244
00:51:28.739 --> 00:51:31.619
Has she figured out what the virus is yet?

1245
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:32.519
Have we got to that scene?

1246
00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:33.659
But I can't remember.

1247
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:36.780
No, she's still working it out, isn't she?

1248
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:38.039
No, yeah, she's got...

1249
00:51:38.099 --> 00:51:38.940
She just said bingo.

1250
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:40.079
She just said bingo.

1251
00:51:40.139 --> 00:51:42.659
She's got it Did you notice that bit where she went up to the

1252
00:51:42.659 --> 00:51:46.260
glass panel and it just had sort of random chips glued to it?

1253
00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:48.420
And that was how there was.

1254
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:51.480
I don't know.

1255
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:53.340
They haven't really worked out the tech yet either.

1256
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.880
Well, she's got a lot of post-it notes there with it.

1257
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:57.780
It's like clues.

1258
00:51:57.840 --> 00:51:58.559
Is that what's happening?

1259
00:51:58.739 --> 00:52:01.679
I'm not sure we mentioned...

1260
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:03.840
We did off my, but I don't think we have on my.

1261
00:52:03.900 --> 00:52:06.780
We haven't mentioned the brilliant Matte painting of the city.

1262
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:10.739
Yeah, yeah, it is really amazing, isn't it?

1263
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:11.760
It really is something.

1264
00:52:11.820 --> 00:52:12.840
I think it's quite beautiful.

1265
00:52:12.900 --> 00:52:15.000
And they use the camera.

1266
00:52:15.059 --> 00:52:16.920
They sort of zoom in in a clever way.

1267
00:52:16.980 --> 00:52:20.940
That almost tricks you into thinking into 3D. the 3D effect of

1268
00:52:20.940 --> 00:52:22.920
some kind happening there.

1269
00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:25.019
And it is beautiful.

1270
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:27.960
They'll just reuse the fuck out of it over the next sort of 8

1271
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:33.300
years, but it is stunning and it's something that Star Trek hasn't

1272
00:52:33.300 --> 00:52:33.659
managed before.

1273
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.840
I mean, we had Devil in the Dark last time.

1274
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:39.239
Well, they learn to do, isn't it?

1275
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:43.800
is to animate certain parts of a map painting and then they really

1276
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:44.400
come alive.

1277
00:52:44.460 --> 00:52:48.360
Yeah, like in Devil's Dew, you know, the planet with all the

1278
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:50.519
fleeing people and the buildings on fire.

1279
00:52:50.579 --> 00:52:53.820
It's a map painting that we see over and over again, but it's, you

1280
00:52:53.820 --> 00:52:55.800
know, everyone's terrified of Ardra.

1281
00:52:55.860 --> 00:52:57.900
Like that's the classic one, I think.

1282
00:52:57.960 --> 00:52:59.280
Wait, wait, wait.

1283
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:00.059
I love this.

1284
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:03.300
I will just be doing impressions of Ardra the whole episode.

1285
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:04.739
So good.

1286
00:53:05.340 --> 00:53:08.340
I am the god of this planet.

1287
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:12.480
She doesn't quite go pantomime enough, does she?

1288
00:53:12.539 --> 00:53:13.139
No.

1289
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:18.179
And so she, she has decided that they all have to live in exile

1290
00:53:18.179 --> 00:53:21.420
somewhere very hard where they don't have time to do any political

1291
00:53:21.420 --> 00:53:24.900
descent, and then that young twink goes up and looks at them

1292
00:53:24.900 --> 00:53:27.960
disappear and maybe he has a political awakening or whatever.

1293
00:53:28.019 --> 00:53:33.719
But basically the, you know, forces of conservatism win. and Riker

1294
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:36.599
because he's fucked Beata, gives her a little smile and then

1295
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:40.800
leaves, because he still kind of likes or emotions and optimistic

1296
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:42.119
conclusions in this episode.

1297
00:53:42.179 --> 00:53:43.199
No, no, no.

1298
00:53:43.260 --> 00:53:44.940
No, no optimistic conclusions.

1299
00:53:45.059 --> 00:53:48.179
The little thing of what we've always said about them, you know

1300
00:53:48.179 --> 00:53:51.119
warping to a planet, not really making much of a difference

1301
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.300
actually, possibly leaving it worse state and then warping off

1302
00:53:54.300 --> 00:53:54.480
again.

1303
00:53:54.539 --> 00:53:58.079
Yeah, what needs to happen is they need to inspire the people on

1304
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:00.659
the planet to do something about it, but that's absolutely not

1305
00:54:00.659 --> 00:54:01.800
what this is interested in.

1306
00:54:01.860 --> 00:54:08.519
It isn't, you know, an allegory about feminism at all. how

1307
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:09.360
everyone's in that shot.

1308
00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:10.320
Did you see that?

1309
00:54:10.380 --> 00:54:12.000
Data in the form?

1310
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:13.800
And everyone behind.

1311
00:54:15.300 --> 00:54:17.880
This absolute non-joke.

1312
00:54:17.940 --> 00:54:21.900
Like, you know, you've got poor Patrick Stewart trying to do his

1313
00:54:21.900 --> 00:54:27.539
voice of having a cold and he can't say engage. you know it's so

1314
00:54:27.539 --> 00:54:28.019
bad.

1315
00:54:28.860 --> 00:54:32.699
There's a lot of season one episodes. with the terrible joke.

1316
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:35.820
I mean, it's not quite as bad as when those bloody kids brought

1317
00:54:35.820 --> 00:54:38.159
that terrible plaque to Picard at the end of disaster.

1318
00:54:38.219 --> 00:54:39.599
No, that's awesome.

1319
00:54:39.659 --> 00:54:40.860
It's pretty bad.

1320
00:54:40.860 --> 00:54:41.579
Absolutely.

1321
00:54:41.579 --> 00:54:44.699
Deliberately an awesome crap joke.

1322
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:45.539
Do you know what I mean?

1323
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:50.639
Like an absolutely conscious attempt to deliberately do a crap

1324
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:53.519
joke at the end of the episode, whereas this was just a terrible

1325
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:55.619
joke that didn't work. the end of the episode.

1326
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:58.139
Can I just say the next episode started?

1327
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:02.159
I'm not sure what it is Oh, it's 11001001.

1328
00:55:02.340 --> 00:55:05.159
And the Enterprise has just docked.

1329
00:55:05.219 --> 00:55:07.380
That fabulous space station.

1330
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:07.860
You know?

1331
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:09.300
Oh, okay, the big one.

1332
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:10.320
Yeah.

1333
00:55:10.380 --> 00:55:14.159
I mean, in 5 seconds, it seems better than Angel one.

1334
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:15.960
That is a pretty good episode, I think.

1335
00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:18.840
Yeah, well, you know, they evacuate the ship. they separate the

1336
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:19.860
sorcerer in that one as well.

1337
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:21.059
It's all going on in.

1338
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:22.079
Is it the binars?

1339
00:55:22.139 --> 00:55:23.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1340
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:25.440
But isn't that the one with minuet?

1341
00:55:25.500 --> 00:55:26.940
Oh, of course.

1342
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:30.780
Now there's a sexy sultry 80s goddess for you.

1343
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:33.300
Yeah, you both got Mistress Beata.

1344
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:36.300
And that's another sort of, that's a Star Trek romance that is

1345
00:55:36.300 --> 00:55:39.659
super weird, but that actually kind of works because he sort of

1346
00:55:39.659 --> 00:55:43.860
loses her forever, which is sort of really weird and interesting.

1347
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:44.760
I think it's good.

1348
00:55:44.820 --> 00:55:46.199
I think it's not bad.

1349
00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:49.860
We've just watched an episode that is sort of trying to make a

1350
00:55:49.860 --> 00:55:52.260
statement for women, but...

1351
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:53.400
It is trying to make a statement at all.

1352
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:54.420
In a million ways.

1353
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:57.179
No, no, I think I mean, I think the intent was for that.

1354
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:02.820
They failed horribly was to have a large woman that Riker could

1355
00:56:02.820 --> 00:56:06.360
have sex with and that we could all enjoy watching that and we

1356
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:10.320
could all fantasise about the planet of the large and aggressive

1357
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:11.340
sexy ladies.

1358
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:14.460
And that's exactly what that was about.

1359
00:56:14.579 --> 00:56:18.300
I really think it's an absolute morniness thing.

1360
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:20.099
Fucking hell.

1361
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.139
I am certain that that's the game.

1362
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:25.860
I don't think this has anything to say about patriarchy.

1363
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:29.579
I say they succeeded with flying colours.

1364
00:56:30.059 --> 00:56:31.739
That's it.

1365
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:33.119
This episode's a success.

1366
00:56:33.179 --> 00:56:34.800
Let's contact jammer again.

1367
00:56:34.860 --> 00:56:35.940
We need to give it an extra start.

1368
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:48.539
All right, it's time for us to pick what we're going to be doing

1369
00:56:48.539 --> 00:56:49.980
next time.

1370
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:54.480
As usual, this was a terrible episode, which means that I chose it

1371
00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:55.380
last time.

1372
00:56:55.500 --> 00:57:00.480
And so it's your turn to come right the ship and choose something

1373
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:03.480
that's actually intentionally fun to watch.

1374
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:09.480
So let's see what series you're going to pick from, Joe. We can

1375
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:13.199
practically guarantee that it will be a better episode than that.

1376
00:57:13.260 --> 00:57:16.380
But I'm not sure we can guarantee we'll laugh as much as we did in

1377
00:57:16.380 --> 00:57:18.059
that episode because...

1378
00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:21.599
Unintentional was the word in your opening statement there.

1379
00:57:21.659 --> 00:57:22.800
All right.

1380
00:57:22.860 --> 00:57:24.900
So, you know what I'm going to do, don't you?

1381
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:26.760
It's Voyager.

1382
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:28.559
No, they're all going in.

1383
00:57:28.619 --> 00:57:30.420
Yeah, every now and again I do this.

1384
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:33.000
I'll throw them all in and just let's just see what we get.

1385
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:33.480
Okay.

1386
00:57:33.539 --> 00:57:36.239
Oh boy. secretly hoping for a Voyager.

1387
00:57:36.300 --> 00:57:41.400
Your random Star Trek Enterprise episode is season one, bad sign.

1388
00:57:41.460 --> 00:57:44.639
Episode 24 Desert Crossing.

1389
00:57:44.699 --> 00:57:45.900
No, I've never heard of it.

1390
00:57:46.019 --> 00:57:46.800
Keep going.

1391
00:57:46.860 --> 00:57:49.380
Oh, it is a Voyager episode.

1392
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.320
And it's one that you and I have talked about a lot.

1393
00:57:52.380 --> 00:57:53.639
Okay.

1394
00:57:53.699 --> 00:57:55.260
That doesn't mean it's good.

1395
00:57:56.820 --> 00:58:02.219
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season seven, although we

1396
00:58:02.219 --> 00:58:03.599
have done a lot of season seven.

1397
00:58:03.659 --> 00:58:07.320
We're often drawn to the sevens, aren't we, in 9 Street?

1398
00:58:07.380 --> 00:58:09.300
Yeah, we have a lot of DS9, season seven.

1399
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.780
Episode 15, the void.

1400
00:58:13.260 --> 00:58:15.119
Oh, yes.

1401
00:58:15.179 --> 00:58:16.619
Yeah.

1402
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:20.400
The one episode of Voyager that leans into the premise in the 11th

1403
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:20.699
hour.

1404
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:22.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1405
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:23.519
I mean, I don't know.

1406
00:58:23.579 --> 00:58:24.179
We haven't watched it.

1407
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:25.500
It's got those bizarre aliens.

1408
00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:26.940
Do you remember that communicate with music?

1409
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.599
They've all got like music pads and there's a very old sequence

1410
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:34.380
where the camera's roving around them and they're all going...

1411
00:58:34.380 --> 00:58:34.920
Oh, my God.

1412
00:58:34.980 --> 00:58:36.480
Very strange episode.

1413
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:40.320
But I think props for them for saying, do you know what?

1414
00:58:40.380 --> 00:58:41.940
We didn't really explore that a lot.

1415
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:43.260
Yeah, yeah.

1416
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:44.760
I wonder if we should do that.

1417
00:58:44.820 --> 00:58:46.739
No, I'd be really interested.

1418
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:49.860
It might give us a chance to talk about Voyager. just generally

1419
00:58:49.860 --> 00:58:53.219
and um, you know, how it goes wrong.

1420
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:57.840
And because she's building a lives of all of these species, yeah.

1421
00:58:57.900 --> 00:59:01.679
The latex quotient in this episode is through the roof.

1422
00:59:01.739 --> 00:59:04.500
So we can rate every alien that she means.

1423
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:05.460
On the bow mask scale.

1424
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:05.940
Exactly.

1425
00:59:05.940 --> 00:59:06.599
Yeah, yeah.

1426
00:59:06.659 --> 00:59:09.840
It sounds perfect. sounds like a great 45 minutes to me.

1427
00:59:09.900 --> 00:59:10.320
I mean.

1428
00:59:10.380 --> 00:59:15.960
And I'm always intrigued to watch more of 6 and 7 of Voyager, that

1429
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:17.340
point where they were on their own.

1430
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:20.940
There was nothing else on and what the hell were you doing when

1431
00:59:20.940 --> 00:59:23.820
you had the chance to really make your mind?

1432
00:59:23.820 --> 00:59:24.659
Your Star Trek.

1433
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:25.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1434
00:59:25.619 --> 00:59:25.980
Yeah.

1435
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:27.599
Oh well, let's do it.

1436
00:59:27.659 --> 00:59:28.139
Brilliant.

1437
00:59:35.579 --> 00:59:39.420
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1438
00:59:39.420 --> 00:59:43.260
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

1439
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:45.840
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1440
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:46.800
media accounts.

1441
00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:50.639
Our podcast artwork is by Caleb Ciceran, and the theme was

1442
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:52.079
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1443
00:59:52.139 --> 00:59:56.579
This episode was recorded on the 18th of June 2024 and released on

1444
00:59:56.579 --> 00:59:57.900
the 28th of June.

1445
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:02.099
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, The Void.

1446
01:00:20.820 --> 01:00:24.300
Yeah, because it gives me a chance to talk about just Voyager

1447
01:00:24.300 --> 01:00:27.599
generally, because I think Voyager is, you know, like I said, was

1448
01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:31.619
it a few weeks ago where I said that, you know, um, Voyager is

1449
01:00:31.619 --> 01:00:36.480
what if Star Trek, but more right wing and then Enterprise is what

1450
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:38.760
it's Star Trek, but even more right wing?

1451
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:40.019
It's highly right wing.

1452
01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:40.800
Yeah.

1453
01:00:40.860 --> 01:00:45.119
Because, you know, there's no diplomacy and negotiation.

1454
01:00:45.179 --> 01:00:47.639
You know, we did alliances, which I think is a really good episode

1455
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:51.300
and we learned a valuable lesson about not, you know, involving

1456
01:00:51.300 --> 01:00:53.940
ourselves in diplomacy.

1457
01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:58.320
Yeah, yeah, which is stupid and it's just like, why are we, why

1458
01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:02.340
are we doing a Star Trek series then if that's not what we're

1459
01:01:02.340 --> 01:01:03.480
going to talk about?

1460
01:01:03.539 --> 01:01:04.260
It just seems stupid.

1461
01:01:04.380 --> 01:01:07.139
Well, she goes, we will follow the rules of the Federation.

1462
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:09.179
But we won't invite anyone else in.

1463
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:11.519
Let's go Yeah.

1464
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:15.179
No, are you aware of what the Federation actually does, you know?

1465
01:01:15.300 --> 01:01:19.440
Yeah, no, I think it's, I think it's kind of a bit crap, really.

1466
01:01:19.500 --> 01:01:23.519
I think it's Mike Vajar, the directors one as well, who is one of

1467
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:26.760
the better latter 90s directors.

1468
01:01:26.820 --> 01:01:29.699
I seem to remember, I don't remember this really standing out

1469
01:01:29.699 --> 01:01:30.900
beyond the premise side.

1470
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:31.739
It would be interesting to see.

1471
01:01:31.860 --> 01:01:33.360
Yeah.

1472
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:34.500
Yeah.

1473
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:36.119
Yeah, yeah.

1474
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:40.139
No one's as fabulous as Mistress B. Alto, though.

1475
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:43.380
Well, no, no one has since 1988.

1476
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:44.460
It's been...

1477
01:01:44.460 --> 01:01:48.840
You know how these things come back, so fashion's come back and

1478
01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:49.619
hometown.

1479
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:51.659
I hope that ever happens.

1480
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:58.739
See, I remember as a kid, it going from the 70s to the 80s, right?

1481
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:03.059
And I remember, like, you know, like watching Doctor Who, the 1st

1482
01:02:03.059 --> 01:02:06.300
Doctor Who that I watched, like I started watching in 78, and I

1483
01:02:06.300 --> 01:02:09.659
was a kid, and like I was aware of the 70s and things, and then

1484
01:02:09.659 --> 01:02:13.500
when the 80s come along, you just think, wow, the 70s were so

1485
01:02:13.500 --> 01:02:16.860
brown and kind of stylus in the 80s, it's really neon and

1486
01:02:16.860 --> 01:02:19.559
thrilling, and everyone looks great and has fabulous air.

1487
01:02:19.619 --> 01:02:24.179
And now, of course, the 80s is just horrific, like an absolute

1488
01:02:24.179 --> 01:02:24.780
atrocity.

1489
01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:28.079
And the 70s kind of like...

1490
01:02:28.139 --> 01:02:29.460
It all got a bit muted, didn't it?

1491
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:33.300
Yeah. sort of a bit alternative.

1492
01:02:33.539 --> 01:02:37.800
Yeah, yeah, they would sort of splintered a bit, I think.

1493
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:40.260
Everyone was trying to be a bit edgier, weren't they?

1494
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:40.800
Unless...

1495
01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:42.780
Oh, I don't know.

1496
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.239
I still have a bit of a hard on for the 80s, though, especially

1497
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:46.440
the movies in the 80s.

1498
01:02:46.500 --> 01:02:47.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1499
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:50.280
Well that was my childhood, you know, going to movies in the 80s

1500
01:02:50.340 --> 01:02:52.440
was like you're talking about Amadeus the other day.

1501
01:02:52.500 --> 01:02:55.260
Like, I remember that incredibly well, but all of those things

1502
01:02:55.260 --> 01:02:57.179
like I sometimes go with my sister to see things.

1503
01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:01.079
I remember seeing like, you know, like gremlins for the 1st time

1504
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:01.800
and stuff.

1505
01:03:01.860 --> 01:03:06.059
La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.

1506
01:03:06.179 --> 01:03:08.519
Ghostbusters, which is actually probably better.

1507
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:09.659
Nathan.

1508
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:10.679
Do you know what?

1509
01:03:10.739 --> 01:03:13.019
I didn't see the goodies until last year.

1510
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:14.519
No.

1511
01:03:14.579 --> 01:03:15.420
Yeah.

1512
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:17.039
It's a seminal pub.

1513
01:03:17.099 --> 01:03:17.940
Everyone's child.

1514
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:18.420
I know.

1515
01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:18.780
I know.

1516
01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:20.519
And it's so 80s.

1517
01:03:20.579 --> 01:03:22.679
Like, it's so unbelievably 80s.

1518
01:03:22.739 --> 01:03:24.539
And it's got thingo.

1519
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:27.960
Like, um, the guy from everything everywhere all at once.

1520
01:03:28.260 --> 01:03:34.199
Yeah, like short round from, um, uh, Corey Feldman, who turns up

1521
01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:36.900
in every, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1522
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:37.739
That's right.

1523
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:41.639
Like stand by me, you know, just wonderful movies and the Lost

1524
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:41.940
Boys.

1525
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:44.219
I found some great movie..

1526
01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:45.480
Oh, yeah, hugely.

1527
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:47.519
Don't ever fight.

1528
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:49.559
Vampire at your house, you silly boy.

1529
01:03:49.619 --> 01:03:51.179
It rendered you powerless.

1530
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:54.179
They had Diane Weist.

1531
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:55.500
Is that her name?

1532
01:03:55.500 --> 01:03:56.880
She's fine.

1533
01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:59.159
Did you wash her in the 10th kingdom?

1534
01:03:59.219 --> 01:04:01.019
Did you ever watch that?

1535
01:04:01.500 --> 01:04:06.780
I don't know how that would hold up now, but it was that was early

1536
01:04:06.780 --> 01:04:12.480
2000s and a fella from one of these networks that could just, he

1537
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:15.960
basically said, I wanted to make this, and it's a huge, it was

1538
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:19.440
massively expensive, like 5000000 or something for a TV show at

1539
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:19.739
the time.

1540
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:20.820
It was hugely expensive.

1541
01:04:20.820 --> 01:04:24.300
And they went out and filmed it a bit like Lord of the Rings and

1542
01:04:24.300 --> 01:04:25.380
all these beautiful locations.

1543
01:04:26.099 --> 01:04:30.960
And it's all a fairytale land come to life with 2 New Yorkers. sort

1544
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:34.320
of traversing all the lands, little bone peep land and things like

1545
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:34.739
this.

1546
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:40.860
Um, and Diane Weist is the, um, she's the evil queen in it.

1547
01:04:41.219 --> 01:04:43.679
Wow, fabulous.

1548
01:04:43.739 --> 01:04:44.219
Wow.

1549
01:04:44.699 --> 01:04:47.039
You should probably wash that at some point.

1550
01:04:47.099 --> 01:04:51.360
I think you might quite like it I'm not sure the humour lands, but

1551
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:53.940
no, it sort of went under the radar.

1552
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:58.260
No one really really talks about it too much, but it's got I send

1553
01:04:58.260 --> 01:05:01.199
you a link to the title sequence and you'll see the sort of thing

1554
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:01.920
they're playing with.

1555
01:05:01.980 --> 01:05:03.539
It's yeah, it's pretty amazing.

1556
01:05:04.139 --> 01:05:06.300
All right, all right.

1557
01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:10.260
I am not going to do a report reading.

1558
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:12.360
I'm gonna want to go to bed.

1559
01:05:12.420 --> 01:05:13.679
I'm just gonna go to sleep.