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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we have hurtled back absolute decades since our last episode

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and we find ourselves all the way back in the very 1st year of

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Star Trek.

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This is towards the end of Star Trek season one and it's Devil in

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the Dark.

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And it's written by Gene L. Coon, who we already know sort of fell

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out with Roddenbury kind of midway through series 2, but he's

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basically responsible for a massive amount of what Star Trek is

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and is about even, you know, in this modern era.

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And it's really, really, really properly good, I think, this

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episode.

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This is devil in the dark, which doesn't seem to, you know, make

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anyone sort of top 5 episodes.

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Uh, but maybe it should. one of the best ones we've seen.

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Yeah, I've noticed at the start of these TOS episodes, you know

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you give us a little preamble and then you, with the TOS ones, you

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either say it's really, really good or it's really, really bad.

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We haven't had a lot of middle ground with TOS, have we?

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We sort of gone one way or the other.

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Maybe.

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I mean, the most recent one we did was Obsession, which I think is

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very mid.

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It has some great moments and stuff like that.

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Yeah, I thought it was okay.

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Troubles with triples we've done, the doomsday machine.

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We've done some great ones.

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Spectra of the gun.

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Spectra and a gun was gorgeous.

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Mind you, we've done Scott's brain as well.

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Wolf and the Fold, some absolute turkeys.

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After watching Devil in the Dark, you know, I've got a strange

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feeling that this franchise might run at least 60 years.

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That's how good it will do.

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It could well do.

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I thought it was really great.

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Just terrific performances from the regulars, but just a proper

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script that is really Star Trek in all sorts of interesting ways.

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I think that does surprising things that only Star Trek does, I

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think.

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But with an instant, brilliant concept of there's something down

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in the tunnels that's killing people.

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But just anyone watching TV, not just Star Trek fans, not just

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science fiction.

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Anyone could just put that on and go, oh, what's it going to be

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you know, as people are being murdered horribly and we're seeing

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that all from their POV.

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Like, I just feel like they knew how to make good telly in season

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one DOS.

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Something happened later on down the line.

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I've got to ask you a question, though.

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Something I've been pondering actually in the week is, you know

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when you watch these TOS episodes, is there anywhere in the back

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of your mind that all of those strange new worlds have already

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occurred and all of those enterprise episodes have already

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occurred before?

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Because it is in mind now.

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Now we're sort of jumping about.

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I'm like, oh God, Archer's already done all of his stuff, isn't he

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Adelphic Expanse?

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The Gaul have been tearing their way out of people in strange new

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worlds and here we are in the 3rd Star Trek series, Star Trek.

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Well, Discovery, season one and 2 are before this as well, aren't

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they?

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Oh, of course, yeah.

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No wonder this is well honed by this point.

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That's right I literally never think that because I'm absolutely

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you know, interested in the order in which all of this stuff

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reaches us rather than, you know, the number of the star date or

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whatever for when it said.

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It makes sense though, right?

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You know, enterprise is absolutely tedious for the most part.

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So obviously, naturally, that's where Star Trek began.

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You know, it's finding its speed.

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Then we move on to Discovery, series one and two, you know, where

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it's sort of getting there.

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It's looking a bit more like good telly.

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And then, obviously, strangely, Welles hits and we're flying now

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baby.

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And then finally we get to the original series where we've done

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some absolute bangers.

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TV gold.

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I think maybe that's fair.

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That's probably a fair history.

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That's, uh, that's why we should write a memory alpha page.

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No one wants to read that.

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What really shocks me is when we watch these TOS episodes and

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they're lit and directed better than all this other stuff that

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comes later.

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I'm truly astonished about that, but they just had some very

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talented people working on the show at the time.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I think this is, I think this is magnificent because even

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though it does start as a horror movie with monsters attacking and

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killing people.

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It literally ends in a way that absolutely kind of epitomises what

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Star Trek is for...

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I think only Star Trek could probably get away with this as well.

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Like, Spock mind melding with the creature, this duvet, and

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Leonard Nemoy, who gives a heroic performance in this when he's

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externalising the pain of what the horter goes from, and you

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really feel it.

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And there's no hint of embarrassment in his performance at all.

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No, absolutely.

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I could almost see Shatner going, oh, Leonard, are you really

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gonna do this?

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And then Nimoy going, you watch is still going to be the best bit

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of action you've seen all year. it.

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I mean, Shatner's amazing in it as well.

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Like, really, properly good in it.

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So is DeForest Kelly.

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My God.

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I'm starting to feel as if I can cure a rainy day.

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He says I love...

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I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer.

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Absolutely brilliant.

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Like absolutely superb.

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But it is worth knowing once again.

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No other fucker exists on the Enterprise bar, these 3 and Scotty

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beaming down for like a couple of scenes.

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But they're so great together.

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Who cares?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, this is top quality stuff.

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This might be my favourite episode of TOS that we've done so far.

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I think it is really good.

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Yeah, probably good.

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It's definitely out there.

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I mean, I would certainly put this in my top 5 ever of TOS.

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In terms of its execution, in terms of its acting, but just like

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you said, how it morphs from your traditional horror movie into

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what's effectively like if you people were just communicating with

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each other.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No one would be dead and there'd be more, what's the substance

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called?

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I can't remember.

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Jurarillium?

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We'll see when we're going to next.

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There would be plenty of that to go around all the planets you're

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supplying.

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Exactly, you know?

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It's got a wonderful moral at its heart.

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And a kind of simple solution, but getting there is tough, you

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know?

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So the journey of the episode is just really gripping to watch.

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Ah, it's wonderful.

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What do you think?

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I think we should go in.

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Let's do it.

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Let's watch it.

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All right.

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This is the 2nd time I've watched it today, you know, and I can't

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wait.

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I'll count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one and we're off.

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So did you watch the original version?

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Or did you watch the movie?

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I'm watching the new one.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So this planet is much more realistic.

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And this, this is very similar. don't you think?

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very similar to the map painting.

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Well, I could see that on the screen.

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I could see the map painting behind you.

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Yeah, I found the original Matt painting.

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But just how beautiful this set is.

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Look at it.

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Like, it's just a shitty cave set.

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Think about the 1000000s of fucking times they use that...

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You're confessed.

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It's the same one every time.

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Eddie's the same one every time, but look at this. like the green

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and the blue, like just their desire to get, you know, very

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colourful things on screen.

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What are they done?

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They've done the thing that the best Doctor Who designers do when

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you don't have a lot of money.

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You make a circular set with lots of alcoves, so you can shoot it

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in many different directions as you possibly can, and it feels

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like a vast system of K's.

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It's very, very clever.

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But I also love the zoom, the dramatic zoom in on the planet at

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the start of the episode.

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And immediately it goes...

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Da, da, da, da.

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I'm in for gold in this one.

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If we're doing the horn of death right at the start, we're in...

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It's going to be great.

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So this poor bastard knows he's going to die.

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Does he?

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I like how half assed a man is going, no, you'll be fine.

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We'll just be in this cave over here, you know.

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Honestly, no, no, I can't afford to leave the set.

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They're just around the corner by the time he's dead.

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He laughs... very funny as well because the fact is in the 1st 3rd

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of the episode, the creature kills people very fast. and then, you

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know, by the time someone's barely stopped screaming, the

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creature's gone and they're just a dusty corpse on the floor.

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And yet, when we finally see the horse, there's no way it's

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getting away from anyone in any great hurry.

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Oh, look at this.

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Look at this though.

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It's so well done.

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So the guy sees the camera advancing on him.

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He regards the camera directly, and then in front of the camera

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the thing looms up, you know, like from below, into shot.

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We just see it very briefly and then he's dead.

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And we don't see the body for a bit either, do we?

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We're told burn to a crisp.

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No, you don't see a smoke body for a cup, not until about

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halfway.

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You don't see it immediately at all.

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It's a great effect, though, when you see it.

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But just that thing that having the guy look at the camera each

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time, you know, like I think that's cheap, you know, but really

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interesting.

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It's probably good.

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Because, um, but I just imagine the director there waiting to

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queue the person holding the duvet going, right, go, in front of

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the camera and he's pulling it off.

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But it really works.

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We had POV shots in obsession when you were seeing things from the

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point of view of the cloud.

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And it's a cheap thing, like you say, because they just don't have

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the money to realise it as many times as they'd like to.

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Well, they don't have the money to realise the water at all, really

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in this.

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But it's a great suspension, suspense builder.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But it gets you to see how horrifying they are.

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Like it puts the focus on their reaction.

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Because the anchor is uncomfortable position of being the monster

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for a moment, killing somebody.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, get the direct out.

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Yeah, usually.

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I'm hoping it's going to be marked.

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You know, that really is a lovely redone effect shot, isn't it, of

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all the pipes?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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See, this is so great.

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So this set as well.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Where the corridors still have that incredible blue green rock, but

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they're very 60s, aren't they wonderfully 60s?

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So good.

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Well, we said this time and again, haven't we, about the colours

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pop in on 60s track?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's like a visual feast.

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Every time we come back here, even in the bad episodes.

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Yeah, that's right.

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And they do it with lighting, so much of it is done with light

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light.

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The direction's like, will you stand in front of that window

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please?

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We've done that map painting or we want to get some value out of

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it.

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Do you think that's in the original thing or it's been put in?

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It must be in the original thing.

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Yeah, I imagine so.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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What I love about this mining place is this very low tech compared

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to the enterprise.

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So basically, they've been left to rot with the shittiest

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technology that you could possibly find.

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When Scotty later on has to bring down his repair stuff.

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He's like, I don't have any of that equipment.

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That went out with the ark.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We also have like, um, part B phases.

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Oh, look, he's pulling out his whiteboard with a map on.

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He doesn't have a computer down here.

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I mean, in a way, that doesn't Asian, the way that dreadful

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computer graphics ages in the 90s, you know?

280
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Well, yeah, it does kind of age though, doesn't it?

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don't you have a computer?

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I mean, for fuck's sake.

283
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Why don't you have a big hologram floating in the sky?

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That's what we would have had in discovery.

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I thought the idea was they were under resourced though.

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Yes, I think so.

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And they have only type one phases instead of type 2 phases.

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But, you know, for something that's so important as, is it

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trillium, I've kind of missed it in the special thing.

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They say it quite a lot throughout the episode.

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I worry.

292
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They do. will pick it up.

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Oh, I've only just realised I've got the subtitles set to French.

294
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I wonder why I couldn't understand what was going on.

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There was Ed Apple with his bad haircut.

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Oh, it's terrible, isn't it?

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Yeah, terrible haircut.

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He goes big and a bit shaggy.

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Yeah.

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I'm described that way when I get out of bedroom, you know?

301
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That's so great.

302
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So, Spock, you know, Ed shot it.

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And then Spock goes, you mean shot at it.

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I said, no, I shot it.

305
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Spock has got a line in sarcasm in this episode.

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That is wonderful.

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He's wonderful, isn't he?

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He's really good The last Purgium.

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Is that pergium?

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Pegeum, they say, don't they?

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I think Ash is that's referencing DS9 at one point.

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Ron Moore loved throwing in TOS references.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Even the last scene in this, you know, where they're taking a piss

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out of Spock.

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And he's so sarky in that scene.

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I don't have to stand around listening to this bullshit.

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He goes, I'm going.

321
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So this.

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So I think that looks amazing.

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Do you know what I mean?

324
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So Spock is handling that sphere, the sort of reflective sphere.

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And like it looks fake, you know, it looks incredibly fake, but if

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you've seen snails, eggs, that's what they look like.

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Like they're showing little spheres.

328
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Yeah, yeah, like perfect little white spheres.

329
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So it kind of works, I think.

330
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But just having that in the foreground, that egg shaped thing, you

331
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know, which is the solution to the to the kind of problem.

332
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Um, so this episode is directed by Joseph Pepsney.

333
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And I'm now going to tell you the episodes that he directed, and

334
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boy, oh boy, is one of the best they had.

335
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You ready?

336
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Oh okay.

337
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Arena?

338
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Devil in the dark, city on the edge of forever.

339
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Cat bought a taste of Armageddon.

340
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I mean, come on.

341
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He did some of the absolute best.

342
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It looks like he bowed out in series two.

343
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Right okay.

344
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Another person, Freiburger, pissed off, I'm sure. eBay.

345
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Yes, yeah.

346
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Yes.

347
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So, yeah, I don't know.

348
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Like, I think for me that it's the script.

349
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I think this is very well realised, but I just think the script is

350
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so amazing and the 2 lead actors just the performance is really

351
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great.

352
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Well, I think if this, if the whole thing had been, like, if this

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was a TOS episode, I'd imagine the whole thing would have been

354
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leading up to the monster reveal, like Aquiel at the end, and we

355
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get the monster, the monster's defeated the end.

356
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Very boring.

357
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Whereas they reveal the horse about halfway through, and then, like

358
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right, so the horror movie ends here.

359
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We're going to do something a bit more interesting with this now.

360
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We're going to get to know the monster.

361
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Yeah.

362
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That's great.

363
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But also, I think what it does too.

364
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Remember that the Federation is America.

365
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Oh my god.

366
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He a pretty guy just being killed by the movie.

367
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Little blonde guy.

368
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Oh, look at that.

369
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It's just a sort of scorched outline.

370
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Look.

371
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I love the camera.

372
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It's like adding across all this dry ice to the big hole in the

373
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wall.

374
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

375
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And then the big round hole.

376
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That's great.

377
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It's as much about editing, isn't it?

378
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And not lingering too long on the shots.

379
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

380
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But so what I was saying is that this this is also a story about

381
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colonialism, isn't it?

382
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This is a colony that's here to exploit the resources of an alien

383
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planet that they don't belong to and they don't understand, and

384
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they regard the native fauna as a threat that needs to be

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eliminated.

386
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And then they learn instead that the hoarder is a person, you know

387
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like in any sort of sensible definition of that idea.

388
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Um, and that they need to work with her.

389
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And so, you know, the idea of of space is something to exploit, to

390
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conquer and take over and strip for resources.

391
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You know, like in an American context and in an Australian context

392
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like in a new world kind of setting, that's, you know, that's our

393
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origin story.

394
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And, and I think having Star Trek suspicious of that so early on

395
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is pretty cool.

396
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Yeah, is it quite bold then having, you know, the other, that the

397
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native being so sympathetic.

398
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Is that quite a bold move for American television?

399
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Well, I think so.

400
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You know, like it's not I mean, it's not like an indigenous, like

401
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an indigenous people or anything like that.

402
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Do you know what I mean?

403
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It's still a sort of big, it's a guy in a duvet or whatever.

404
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But I think there's something interesting about her when she sort

405
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of turns up.

406
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Oh, he's Scott, saying he can't fix them.

407
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He's incredibly patronised, isn't he?

408
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Oh, this old cheap colony.

409
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But what I do like at the end is still not...

410
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They're not like comfortable bedfellows because they're working

411
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together and he goes, yeah, they're all right, but they're still a

412
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bit gross.

413
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I can't remember the exact line.

414
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It's like once you get over their appearance, you know, they're

415
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all right.

416
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And then spot goes brilliantly.

417
00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:24.359
Well, interestingly, they said the same thing about you.

418
00:18:24.420 --> 00:18:28.140
Yeah, they think you're weird looking, but they did think my ears

419
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were kind of magnificent.

420
00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:31.019
Oh, love that bit.

421
00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:34.559
No, I think he says that they find the humanoid form repulsive or

422
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something like that.

423
00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:36.900
Judge's fall was great.

424
00:18:37.380 --> 00:18:41.640
I mean, I don't think it leans too much into that reading. is

425
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there.

426
00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.640
Yeah, no, I don't think it's absolutely there.

427
00:18:44.700 --> 00:18:47.880
I don't think the episode is really about that though, is it?

428
00:18:47.940 --> 00:18:50.400
It's more about the monster itself.

429
00:18:50.460 --> 00:18:51.059
I do think it is.

430
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Really?

431
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Yeah.

432
00:18:52.019 --> 00:18:52.500
Yep.

433
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I absolutely think.

434
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So at one level.

435
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Do you know what I mean?

436
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It is about this nameless threat that we grow to understand, and

437
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once we understand it, we can have a working relationship with

438
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it.

439
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But we also start with a situation where we're exploiting this

440
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planet's resources in a really unsympathetic way.

441
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And then later on, We learn how this planet works and we, you know

442
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just marvellously, because it's television, we need a happy

443
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ending.

444
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We get the resources that we want and we need, but without

445
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exploiting the planet, without destroying the planet's

446
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environment.

447
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I think that's there.

448
00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:35.279
So appallingly, then should they be rewarded at the end with

449
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success?

450
00:19:36.539 --> 00:19:41.880
Um, Well, because they're really sort of super ineffectual.

451
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They keep getting killed and they can't really do anything.

452
00:19:44.700 --> 00:19:49.680
Look, yes, there's a way, I did see someone who said, wow, lucky

453
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for the hoarder that they managed to be actually useful because

454
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you know, it's hard to imagine that they just wouldn't have been

455
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killed anyway, and that's true.

456
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But this is kind of an allegory and it's a TV show and it needs a

457
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happy ending.

458
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And so we kind of just forgive them for destroying 1000000s of, of

459
00:20:08.339 --> 00:20:11.700
her children, uh, and we get on with our lives and...

460
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I hope they wait till together in harmony.

461
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Fucking off, and then a whole load of horns I came along and just

462
00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:18.299
wiped them all out. just killed them all horribly.

463
00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.319
So, Silicon-based life, you know, is a thing that happens in

464
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Doctor Who, isn't it?

465
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And the idea.

466
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So it's an old, old science fiction idea where, you know, instead

467
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of having, you know, I don't know, enough about chemistry, but

468
00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.259
carbon, silicon plays the role of carbon, and so these are sort of

469
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creatures of living rock.

470
00:20:38.579 --> 00:20:41.940
Notice this entire scene where we're speculating about the nature

471
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of the hoarder, you've got Spock staring at that thing that he

472
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doesn't know what it is, but it's the egg.

473
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It's pretty good.

474
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I um...

475
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The silicon-based life form point.

476
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I think that's pure Star Trek, isn't it?

477
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There's more, you know, there's more things out there in the

478
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universe that we're going to discover beyond our understanding

479
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because McCoy says at one point.

480
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It's absolutely impossible, Spuck. to have a solificant baseline

481
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form.

482
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Oh, and City's presented with it and then, yeah.

483
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And and then we play into the idea that it's silicon base.

484
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Like he literally fixes it with cement.

485
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Does it seem like in February?

486
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Like, cup it in cement. wonderful.

487
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I just started running it all over the wounds, you know?

488
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And the, I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer line, which he laughed

489
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about before is in reaction to that.

490
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You know, it's a big rock, a big living rock that he's got to

491
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fix.

492
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But he's so delighted that he's managed to cure this life form he

493
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didn't think could possibly exist. at the start.

494
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Spocking is Scotty and his friend have brought a bong with them, I

495
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think, to kind of relax after the repairing has taken place.

496
00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:58.680
We've seen that in other episodes, haven't we?

497
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Relaxes being pumped through the ship. that's right They're taking

498
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a whole bunch of drugs, so they don't think too much of a wolf in

499
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the fold.

500
00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:09.599
Look at the look at this short with all the them lined up.

501
00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:10.980
Oh, the red shirt.

502
00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:12.180
Troubles and triples, isn't it?

503
00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:13.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

504
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They're all red shirts.

505
00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:17.700
They're not all white, which makes a nice change, but they are all

506
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men.

507
00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:23.460
And in fact, the only female character, I don't know, do we see

508
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Ahura on the bridge?

509
00:22:24.420 --> 00:22:25.619
We haven't been on the bridge, have we?

510
00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:26.640
I don't think so, no.

511
00:22:26.700 --> 00:22:28.440
I don't think we do She's not in it.

512
00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:31.440
So the only female character in this episode is the horta.

513
00:22:31.740 --> 00:22:34.440
And it is the star of the show, to be fair.

514
00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:37.920
But I think that's the other thing that's sympathetic with my

515
00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:38.579
reading as well.

516
00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:39.539
Do you know what I mean?

517
00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:45.779
That men come and conquer and exploit and destroy, and the female

518
00:22:45.779 --> 00:22:52.440
character has children who she grieves for, and who she wants to

519
00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:55.200
bring up, and she has a stake in the future as well.

520
00:22:55.259 --> 00:22:59.220
The men are absolutely focussed on the present and she's talking

521
00:22:59.220 --> 00:23:00.960
about eternity and things.

522
00:23:01.019 --> 00:23:05.220
Wait till you see her dialogue when Spock mind melds with her.

523
00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:09.240
Why are?

524
00:23:09.779 --> 00:23:14.339
Why are all men in 960 Star Trek so pretty?

525
00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:15.900
Sorry to be so.

526
00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:16.920
No, they're hideous.

527
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.019
They're so pretty.

528
00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:23.160
Oh, yeah, these red shirts going through the corridors are pretty

529
00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:23.460
great.

530
00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:28.920
But they won't be around long, so you can't enjoy it for too

531
00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:29.160
long.

532
00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:33.420
I think it's just you've been on this man only planet for so long

533
00:23:33.420 --> 00:23:36.059
that you're starting to find them.

534
00:23:36.420 --> 00:23:39.779
A little puff on the ball. desperate.

535
00:23:39.779 --> 00:23:41.400
That's it.

536
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.880
Jeez, I love this set so much.

537
00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:51.420
Like, why, why wasn't Naughty Strek looking at this?

538
00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:52.859
Seeing how it can be done.

539
00:23:52.980 --> 00:23:56.880
Well, I think they're embarrassed by this, and I think that they

540
00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:01.799
deliberately moved away from the primary colours thing, which they

541
00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:06.839
saw rightly, I think, as the show kind of going, we're in

542
00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:10.440
Technicolour, you know, let's make everything really, really red

543
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:13.019
blue and yellow.

544
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:15.900
Yeah, because visually opinion...

545
00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:16.380
What happened?

546
00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:17.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

547
00:24:17.099 --> 00:24:18.059
Eventually, it ends surprise.

548
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:20.220
We went, oh, great, we're more monochrome than this.

549
00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:22.259
Yes, that's absolutely right.

550
00:24:22.380 --> 00:24:24.240
That's right, because I think it's more broken.

551
00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:26.339
Oh, wait, sorry, it's before this. forgetting.

552
00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:31.619
Oh my god, this is exploring an alcove.

553
00:24:31.740 --> 00:24:32.700
I think he's in trouble.

554
00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:33.900
Dramatic close-up.

555
00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:36.059
I see, look, he's very looking.

556
00:24:36.420 --> 00:24:37.259
No, he's pretty.

557
00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:39.180
I'm just desperate.

558
00:24:39.299 --> 00:24:42.420
No, you see, I think they're always just slightly a couple of

559
00:24:42.420 --> 00:24:43.740
degrees off, actually pretty.

560
00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:44.940
Yeah, look at him.

561
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:46.140
He looks weird.

562
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:47.099
Do you know what's great about that?

563
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:49.859
What's great about those POV shots as well.

564
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:52.619
It's because it's those massive fucking cameras that you had back

565
00:24:52.619 --> 00:24:53.339
in the 60s.

566
00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:57.299
You can sort of feel the poor cameraman desperately trying to

567
00:24:57.299 --> 00:24:58.920
wrestle this thing up towards somebody.

568
00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:04.079
They look great, don't they?

569
00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:08.700
Like the smoking ash outlines that it leaves behind.

570
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:13.380
This is the sort of thing I say, I think, on the website that one

571
00:25:13.380 --> 00:25:17.579
of my 1st experiences of Star Trek is like the older brother of a

572
00:25:17.579 --> 00:25:20.039
friend of mine saying it was very scary and it would give me

573
00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:20.759
nightmares.

574
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:25.019
And I think absolutely, we're thinking about this, aren't we?

575
00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:27.960
This is the sort of thing that would give kids nightmares with

576
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:33.180
that, just the deaths, the way the deaths are portrayed, and just

577
00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:34.680
what the dead bodies look like too.

578
00:25:34.740 --> 00:25:37.019
Yeah, I'm really sad.

579
00:25:37.019 --> 00:25:40.019
I didn't watch some of this because I was so, because I watched

580
00:25:40.019 --> 00:25:40.920
TNG first.

581
00:25:40.980 --> 00:25:44.220
I was so resistant to all of this, cheap tap.

582
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:44.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

583
00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:48.180
You know, I only wanted to see exciting, riveting, sophisticated

584
00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:49.619
stuff like Wesley Crusher, you know?

585
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.079
If I would have watched this when I was eight, I would have been

586
00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:55.619
gripped.

587
00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:58.140
I just needed to get over myself.

588
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:01.559
I do sort of like the lava in between all the cracks.

589
00:26:01.619 --> 00:26:03.359
Look at it right away.

590
00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:04.559
Oh my god.

591
00:26:04.619 --> 00:26:07.680
This shot through the tunnel now. is one look at that.

592
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:10.259
It's like the time tunnel.

593
00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:11.519
Beautiful.

594
00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:12.480
Stunning.

595
00:26:12.539 --> 00:26:14.460
Still got the dry ice.

596
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:16.380
Look, just cling to the edge of the tunnel there.

597
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:21.119
Yeah, it's the acid that comes off its body, you know, like, and

598
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:22.440
that's genius.

599
00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:24.720
So it's a thing that swims through rock.

600
00:26:24.779 --> 00:26:28.740
Like, it's an alien that swims through rocks, the way that people

601
00:26:28.740 --> 00:26:30.359
or fish can swim through water.

602
00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:32.519
It's so good. fucking lava.

603
00:26:32.579 --> 00:26:34.740
I can just tunnel its way through it.

604
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:37.559
Yeah, but it's just genius, okay?

605
00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:39.539
So here's a bit of it that spock has.

606
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:42.839
So working on a level for adults, obviously, because we're going

607
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:45.299
to really get in touch with the hoarder's feelings later.

608
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.519
But it's such a great idea for kids, isn't it?

609
00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:50.519
This monster tunnelling its way through.

610
00:26:50.579 --> 00:26:51.299
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

611
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:55.740
I love how it, like, it's kind of animated the thing.

612
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:56.700
It's breathing.

613
00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:59.519
And Spock says that it's made of asbestos.

614
00:26:59.579 --> 00:27:02.460
Yeah, this, capable of moving through solid rock as easel as we

615
00:27:02.460 --> 00:27:03.420
move through the air.

616
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.420
And so it creates the tunnels that become possible.

617
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:07.500
It's so good.

618
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:11.579
You can take like a whole section of it off and it's still, you

619
00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:12.539
know, it's still on the rum.

620
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:14.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

621
00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:16.259
But it is horribly wounded.

622
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:17.880
Remember, when they come across it.

623
00:27:17.940 --> 00:27:20.279
It is quite injured as a result.

624
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:25.380
Yeah, I think the guy on the right's handsome, the older guy.

625
00:27:26.819 --> 00:27:29.460
Sorry, I'm going to get a shot of him again.

626
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:30.720
I'm just watching Nemoy now.

627
00:27:30.779 --> 00:27:31.980
Every reaction shot is.

628
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:33.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

629
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:36.599
Is his name's Giotto, I think?

630
00:27:36.779 --> 00:27:39.299
Yeah, that's a tunnel shot.

631
00:27:39.539 --> 00:27:43.380
And in a way that, in a way that, obviously, they're all in line

632
00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:47.579
there behind each other, but it just doesn't feel stagey.

633
00:27:47.819 --> 00:27:50.279
No, it's it's brilliant.

634
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:55.859
So they were lucky to have to go and kill it, right?

635
00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:00.420
And the fact that it's wounded isn't, we're not pitying it because

636
00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:04.500
it's wounded, although there was a hint of that in, in Kirk's

637
00:28:04.500 --> 00:28:05.819
performance.

638
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:07.440
Now this scene, I think, is great.

639
00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:11.400
I think this scene is absolutely incredible because what I think

640
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.759
and this is how I read it, and tell me if you think I'm crazy.

641
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:20.220
Spock objects to killing it.

642
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:29.099
Because it's the last of its kind, and, um, that he says it would

643
00:28:29.099 --> 00:28:30.720
be a crime against science.

644
00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:33.119
Right?

645
00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:35.099
And Spock still theorising about it.

646
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:38.220
So he thinks, yeah, it's the last of a race of creatures that made

647
00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:42.480
this tunnels, you know, uh, if it's the only survivor, then uh, we

648
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:43.200
can't kill it.

649
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:49.980
And so, Spock, look at Kirk's reaction, like they just look at one

650
00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:57.960
another for a bit and then Kirk tells Spock to go and go and help

651
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:58.500
Scotty.

652
00:28:58.980 --> 00:29:06.539
Like, you're not, you're, you know, uh, you're not involved in

653
00:29:06.539 --> 00:29:07.680
this hunt, right?

654
00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:11.579
Um, It's I think he's about to do it now.

655
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:12.660
Yeah, here he goes.

656
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:15.720
I'm afraid the creature has to die is what you're saying.

657
00:29:15.779 --> 00:29:17.039
The creature has to die.

658
00:29:17.099 --> 00:29:20.400
So, And it...

659
00:29:21.539 --> 00:29:25.680
And I think that I think that what what's going to happen here.

660
00:29:25.740 --> 00:29:29.279
So I've kind of stepped ahead because I think it takes longer to

661
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.380
happen than I expected.

662
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:32.700
But this is what happens.

663
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:38.700
I think that we think that Spock is being sent away because Kirk

664
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:42.000
doesn't think he's going to obey orders, that he means...

665
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:44.579
It was getting him out of the way because you were being obstacle

666
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.400
because his Spock's going to be reluctant to kill it.

667
00:29:47.460 --> 00:29:52.680
But later on, I think it becomes clear that the reason that Kirk

668
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.700
sends him away is that Kirk is frightened that Spock will get

669
00:29:56.700 --> 00:30:01.019
himself hurt by refusing to attack it.

670
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:05.460
He's not doing it to prevent Spock from, you know, protecting the

671
00:30:05.460 --> 00:30:08.460
creature, but to prevent Spock from getting hurt by the creature

672
00:30:08.460 --> 00:30:10.859
because of his reluctance to hurt it.

673
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:17.099
And there is like these 2 love one another in this in this

674
00:30:17.099 --> 00:30:17.579
episode.

675
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:26.519
And in these scenes, like, like, like, when Spock thinks Kirk is

676
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:28.559
in trouble, like he's so...

677
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:29.700
He panics, doesn't he?

678
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:34.440
He panics, the way he calls him Jim, I think, is just wonderful.

679
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:41.220
And then once Kirk sees the creature, he can't kill it.

680
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:42.660
He just...

681
00:30:42.660 --> 00:30:44.220
I thought that was so interesting.

682
00:30:44.220 --> 00:30:45.599
It's not making any threatening moves.

683
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.779
Trapped in a room with it and it's there right in front of him and

684
00:30:48.779 --> 00:30:53.339
he's just said, in this scene, it has to die. will kill it.

685
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:54.839
And then he says, I can't do it.

686
00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:56.339
He chooses not to do it.

687
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:56.880
Yeah.

688
00:30:57.059 --> 00:31:02.640
And then it's Spock who is frightened that Kirk will be killed and

689
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:06.299
Spock wants to kill the creature in order to protect his friend.

690
00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:10.619
It just shows what's happening with the dynamics here, doesn't

691
00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:10.799
it?

692
00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:12.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

693
00:31:12.059 --> 00:31:13.559
Really...

694
00:31:13.619 --> 00:31:17.160
I think by this end of the season, you know, what, 20 episodes in

695
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:20.640
or so, they've really figured out these characters and how to

696
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:21.960
write these episodes around.

697
00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:23.640
Yeah, I think they really have.

698
00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:25.980
These two.

699
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.359
The 228.7 to one odds.

700
00:31:30.420 --> 00:31:31.380
Do you know what I mean?

701
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:34.440
He's going, oh, so they're the chest.

702
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:36.960
Logically, you might as well stay there, Mr. Scott.

703
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.240
It's so cute.

704
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:42.480
And then he goes, that was always the intention.

705
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:46.319
Look at the 2 of them.

706
00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:51.480
Just the sort of there's something about how funny Kirk finds

707
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:54.960
spock. kind of how ridiculous he finds him as well.

708
00:31:55.019 --> 00:31:55.740
It's wonderful.

709
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:56.579
It's just so great.

710
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:01.019
You know what's what's both lovely and really sad is that they

711
00:32:01.019 --> 00:32:04.619
clearly had a really fruitful working relationship.

712
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.079
Learn Nimoy and William Shatner.

713
00:32:07.140 --> 00:32:08.940
And they did have a respect for each other.

714
00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:12.539
And Nemoy understood Shatner's, you know, flaws and ego.

715
00:32:12.539 --> 00:32:16.980
I gave him his room and Shatner understood that probably Nemoy was

716
00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:17.640
a better actor.

717
00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:19.799
Don't give him his room.

718
00:32:19.859 --> 00:32:21.180
It's so sad how it ended.

719
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:25.079
Yeah, they didn't talk to you, but he didn't go to his funeral and

720
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:25.559
all of that.

721
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.259
Because clearly, look at them on the screen together, but they are

722
00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:30.779
meeting each other. just magic.

723
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:31.259
Yeah, yeah.

724
00:32:31.380 --> 00:32:32.700
Right up until those movies.

725
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:36.299
They absolutely recapture it in those movies beautifully.

726
00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:41.400
The good side of it, I suppose, is that we can go back and watch

727
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:43.140
all this stuff and see them at their height, you know?

728
00:32:43.259 --> 00:32:43.859
exactly.

729
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:44.640
Yeah.

730
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.819
And it is true.

731
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:52.259
Every Star Trek show since then has been trying to capture this

732
00:32:52.259 --> 00:32:56.099
chemistry between the 3 leads in the original Star Trek.

733
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:58.200
And I think sometimes they get it.

734
00:32:58.259 --> 00:33:01.140
Sometimes they best it occasionally, but I don't think

735
00:33:01.140 --> 00:33:02.759
consistently like they did in this show.

736
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:07.500
And it is a brilliant conception, you know, like, and it seems to

737
00:33:07.500 --> 00:33:08.400
have been accidental.

738
00:33:08.460 --> 00:33:14.160
Like, in a show that is about, um, you know, that puts people in

739
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:17.579
weird science fiction situations in order to examine what people

740
00:33:17.579 --> 00:33:18.180
are like.

741
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:19.500
Do you know what I mean?

742
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:21.839
That it's much more interested in people than it is about the

743
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.180
weird science, although it's interested in the stupid, weird

744
00:33:24.180 --> 00:33:25.920
science fiction things as well.

745
00:33:25.980 --> 00:33:27.359
We love that too.

746
00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:30.180
So, yeah, we absolutely do.

747
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:36.059
But just having those 3 very different people in that sort of

748
00:33:36.059 --> 00:33:38.880
strange relationship is just wonderful.

749
00:33:38.940 --> 00:33:40.680
I thought it was just, you know, a humanoid.

750
00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:41.640
It would be quite dull.

751
00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:44.039
The fact that it's a duvet covered in lava is wonderful.

752
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.740
Well, yeah, but I think that's it.

753
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:50.880
It has to be that the monster is a is a person.

754
00:33:50.940 --> 00:33:52.259
Do you know what I mean?

755
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:53.400
Like that has to be the discovery.

756
00:33:53.460 --> 00:33:56.519
Fuck me, Nathan, the camera loves Shetland.

757
00:33:56.579 --> 00:33:57.420
Look at him walking.

758
00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:58.859
Just walking down a tunnel.

759
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.200
He's so great.

760
00:34:01.259 --> 00:34:03.900
I don't quite know what Spog is doing there.

761
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:07.740
I sent you a photograph of this earlier, them going down this

762
00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:09.300
tunnel, sort of back lit.

763
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:11.340
I was just like this looks so great.

764
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:15.539
I mean, it looks like sort of plastic that's been painted or

765
00:34:15.539 --> 00:34:16.920
whatever. just...

766
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:22.800
You adopted...

767
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.280
It's so much more interesting than it could have been.

768
00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:27.179
Do you know what I mean?

769
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:29.880
It's so much more interesting, just the colours and the look of it

770
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:30.960
and the texture and everything.

771
00:34:31.019 --> 00:34:34.320
They're not afraid to just turn the lights down and make it a bit

772
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:35.940
dark as well, which I love.

773
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:37.920
Frankly, that creature needs it.

774
00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:39.599
Yeah, yeah.

775
00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:40.559
I love this.

776
00:34:40.619 --> 00:34:44.039
You suddenly become aware because he's surrounded by eggs when he

777
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:45.000
walks into this tunnel.

778
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.340
They're everywhere. where it is.

779
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:48.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

780
00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:48.659
Yeah.

781
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:51.300
So you're just waiting silicon modules.

782
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:52.739
Nathan, is this a bit weather?

783
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.679
hole when the water appears when the hoarder comes popping out of

784
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:55.860
it.

785
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:57.000
I love that bit.

786
00:34:57.780 --> 00:35:01.980
I'm like, is that a new effect or did they try and do that?

787
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:03.659
It's a new effect.

788
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:07.199
It's so funny No, look, the hoarder pushes the thing down.

789
00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:08.340
Bless it.

790
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:09.840
The roof caves in.

791
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:15.000
But just, just to take, to take that angle.

792
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:16.139
Jim.

793
00:35:16.139 --> 00:35:19.739
That is a victim grieving its children.

794
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:21.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

795
00:35:21.539 --> 00:35:22.619
An interesting way.

796
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:24.480
What an interesting angle sake.

797
00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:29.280
I could phaser you out, is this?

798
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.239
But look how concerned he is.

799
00:35:33.300 --> 00:35:33.960
It's wonderful.

800
00:35:34.019 --> 00:35:35.280
It's so great.

801
00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:37.019
He's really heartbroken.

802
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:38.460
Just terrific.

803
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.920
Shatner's cool as a cucumber, of course.

804
00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:44.280
Well, as he is in mind, there's an extreme peril.

805
00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:49.920
Please proceed with caution.

806
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.019
I will quicken my pace, sir.

807
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:53.280
So wonderful.

808
00:35:53.340 --> 00:35:54.719
So good.

809
00:35:54.780 --> 00:35:56.099
Oh, look, here it is.

810
00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:57.840
It comes from...

811
00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:59.940
Yeah, that's simply the effect.

812
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:00.960
Look, look, look.

813
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:02.519
That's terrific.

814
00:36:02.579 --> 00:36:03.239
There it comes.

815
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:06.420
I can see the person moving under the tv.

816
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.400
Oh my god.

817
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:18.599
I just I always love...

818
00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:21.840
I always love it when they go for non-humanoid monsters, whether

819
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.300
it's Doctor Who or Star Trek or whatever it is.

820
00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:27.300
It's just so much more fun to look at.

821
00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:33.239
This, like, just the fact that Jim can't bring himself to...

822
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:34.980
I know. too busy laughing.

823
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.199
Woo, it's kind of close.

824
00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:41.400
You can see the man's time. back forwards.

825
00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:43.320
Oh, it's so wonderful.

826
00:36:43.380 --> 00:36:44.940
Yeah, do a POV shot.

827
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:45.719
You're better off.

828
00:36:45.780 --> 00:36:47.579
Joseph Pepsi.

829
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:49.679
Stick to your POBs.

830
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:56.039
Oh, and Shatner's like, he's like he's in Shakespearean drama, he's

831
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:59.820
making no concessions at all to the fact that this is sci-fi.

832
00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:01.679
I think that that would ruin it.

833
00:37:01.739 --> 00:37:03.239
I think it would ruin it.

834
00:37:03.300 --> 00:37:04.260
Like, this is ridiculous.

835
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:04.980
It's a rug.

836
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:05.940
It's got tassels.

837
00:37:06.059 --> 00:37:09.599
Like, it looks absurd, and it is a guy just crawling backwards and

838
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:10.619
forwards and side to side.

839
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:12.300
It never looks convincing for a second.

840
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.719
But I think if they didn't believe it, it would have been

841
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:18.300
ridiculous because it's proper.

842
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:19.320
This has a thing to say.

843
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:20.639
This is proper science fiction.

844
00:37:20.699 --> 00:37:23.760
I thought we thought this was the one, you know, with the flying

845
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.039
duvets that come in, that they phaser.

846
00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:28.440
What's that one, do you mean?

847
00:37:28.500 --> 00:37:29.280
I don't know.

848
00:37:29.340 --> 00:37:31.199
I'll get through it one day.

849
00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:32.699
We will, absolutely.

850
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:34.800
That, it's not making any threatening moves.

851
00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:35.579
I'm not going to kill it.

852
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.300
You know, science fiction doesn't kill it. doesn't use duvets

853
00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:39.960
enough, does it?

854
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:41.940
I feel like there's a...

855
00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:45.179
There's more potential.

856
00:37:45.300 --> 00:37:48.719
Oh, look, now Spock's saying, I'll remind you, it's a proven

857
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:49.079
killer.

858
00:37:49.139 --> 00:37:50.760
Yes, thank you, mister.

859
00:37:50.820 --> 00:37:56.039
Spock is crying is so concerned for Jim as we saw in the cave in.

860
00:37:56.099 --> 00:37:58.739
I mean, that sounds like love so much.

861
00:37:58.739 --> 00:38:00.480
As a as a visual.

862
00:38:00.539 --> 00:38:02.099
They're carrying clubs, aren't they?

863
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:03.360
Big bits of metal.

864
00:38:03.420 --> 00:38:06.719
They're literally going to club this indigenous creature to

865
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:06.960
death.

866
00:38:07.019 --> 00:38:08.159
Yeah.

867
00:38:08.219 --> 00:38:13.139
Yeah, they're like, um, you know, the, they're like a crowd of

868
00:38:13.139 --> 00:38:16.380
people with pitchforks and stuff coming to kill Frankenstein or

869
00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:16.619
whatever.

870
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:18.300
The monster, okay?

871
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:18.900
Dont write it.

872
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:19.559
Cortes.

873
00:38:19.619 --> 00:38:21.119
He's just made site of the Aztecs.

874
00:38:24.059 --> 00:38:26.880
So he does.

875
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.219
Oh, is that where the eggs come out?

876
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.440
No, that's the injury.

877
00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:32.639
That's the phaser blade.

878
00:38:32.699 --> 00:38:33.960
Ah okay.

879
00:38:34.019 --> 00:38:34.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

880
00:38:34.980 --> 00:38:36.719
Yeah, that's the phase, but.

881
00:38:36.780 --> 00:38:38.699
And it's like, it's sort of pusulant.

882
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:39.480
Do you know what I mean?

883
00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:45.659
Like it's, it's, And it's, it looks like a blister, right?

884
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:48.539
I just, yeah, I know.

885
00:38:48.539 --> 00:38:49.860
It's such an obvious thing to say.

886
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.860
I just can't get over the fact that you can see the 2 hands and

887
00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:56.159
the 2 legs or because obviously that's all the man's got to eat.

888
00:38:56.219 --> 00:38:57.480
It's great.

889
00:38:57.539 --> 00:38:59.039
It's one hell of a performance.

890
00:38:59.099 --> 00:39:00.539
Oh, it is.

891
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:01.679
Give him an Oscar.

892
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:04.079
Adith Kayla?

893
00:39:04.139 --> 00:39:04.559
Who's that?

894
00:39:06.179 --> 00:39:08.099
That's it.

895
00:39:08.099 --> 00:39:10.739
Yeah, no.

896
00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:12.360
Shilling is right, Collins, for sure.

897
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.420
No, no, it's no contest.

898
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:16.860
We haven't done that one yet.

899
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.219
Oh, is this when Spot makes contact?

900
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:21.960
I love this scene so much.

901
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:26.519
It's pizza, isn't it?

902
00:39:26.579 --> 00:39:27.480
And that's a moment.

903
00:39:27.539 --> 00:39:32.159
Shadow looks up and says that looks up at Nemo and kind of goes

904
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:34.320
yeah, this is a bit ridiculous, isn't it?

905
00:39:34.380 --> 00:39:35.159
Like you just see?

906
00:39:35.219 --> 00:39:36.719
I was just like, get it.

907
00:39:36.780 --> 00:39:37.800
Get a load of these.

908
00:39:37.860 --> 00:39:39.119
But he's not mocking it.

909
00:39:39.179 --> 00:39:39.840
Do you know what I mean?

910
00:39:39.900 --> 00:39:43.380
And it is pretty subtle and that I tried talking to it, but it

911
00:39:43.380 --> 00:39:44.280
didn't do any good.

912
00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:46.260
It's actually a pretty great line as well.

913
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:51.300
It does remind me of, you know, in the Doctor Who story creature

914
00:39:51.300 --> 00:39:54.780
from the pit where Tom Baker's trying to communicate with, that's

915
00:39:54.780 --> 00:40:00.480
another sort of non-humanoid creature that doesn't talk in our

916
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:00.960
language.

917
00:40:01.019 --> 00:40:02.219
I love that.

918
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:05.099
That's, again, it's just so it's so Star Trek, isn't it?

919
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:08.940
Try to communicate with, you said that they do that in Discovery

920
00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:09.900
Series 4, didn't you?

921
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:15.059
There is the DNC, and that's the discovery is the 10C, who are

922
00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:19.139
just completely unlike us and almost completely incomprehensible.

923
00:40:19.260 --> 00:40:20.400
They're super weird.

924
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:21.840
It's wonderful.

925
00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:27.059
I mean, it's absolutely, I think that that plot, and I was going

926
00:40:27.059 --> 00:40:27.480
to say it.

927
00:40:27.539 --> 00:40:29.400
I remember thinking it at the time.

928
00:40:29.460 --> 00:40:32.219
That plot at the end of Discovery Series four, which I think is

929
00:40:32.219 --> 00:40:36.059
the best run of Discovery and the best season of Discovery, one is

930
00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:36.780
very good as well.

931
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:38.159
But 4 is great.

932
00:40:38.219 --> 00:40:40.619
It's real proper science fiction the way this is.

933
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:43.800
It's about learning to communicate with new people.

934
00:40:43.860 --> 00:40:46.380
And remember the 10 C of been destroying planets.

935
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.599
So it's the same kind of thing.

936
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:53.820
Totally, like you said, pushing against, you know, the idea of the

937
00:40:53.820 --> 00:40:58.199
Americans or whoever invading another place and taking over.

938
00:40:58.260 --> 00:41:00.780
What they're doing is they're going out into the stars and they're

939
00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:03.719
reaching out a hand of hello rather than trying to conquer them.

940
00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:04.679
It's a wonderful miss.

941
00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:06.960
And it's also not taking revenge as well.

942
00:41:07.019 --> 00:41:08.039
Do you know what I mean?

943
00:41:08.099 --> 00:41:13.980
Like if like the story in series 3 of Enterprise is that they're

944
00:41:13.980 --> 00:41:17.280
going to prevent another attack, right?

945
00:41:17.340 --> 00:41:19.619
But they're also out for revenge in a way.

946
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:20.280
So, all right.

947
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:22.500
So miserable in a way, isn't it?

948
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.559
Well, I was going to say, right, if Shatner's in a Shakespearean

949
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:29.940
drama, Nemoy is in a Greek tragedy, I mean, he just goes for it.

950
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:36.659
So he'll kneel down and touch it and deliver the dialogue and

951
00:41:36.659 --> 00:41:39.900
because it's female.

952
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.480
Oh, look at it trying to get up the stairs there.

953
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:47.579
It does make you wonder how it got away so quickly all those times

954
00:41:47.579 --> 00:41:48.719
it murdered people, isn't it?

955
00:41:49.139 --> 00:41:53.820
But, oh, it goes up onto the stairs so that Shatner doesn't so

956
00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:56.820
that Nemo doesn't have to bend down too much to do the mind

957
00:41:56.820 --> 00:41:57.300
probe.

958
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.840
No, no, this is it, this is it, saying no kill.

959
00:42:00.900 --> 00:42:03.780
No, no kill I. No kill.

960
00:42:03.780 --> 00:42:06.360
I. I've forgotten that.

961
00:42:06.420 --> 00:42:07.440
I only watched it this morning.

962
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:09.900
So good.

963
00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:13.260
But it just goes, this just goes to show now.

964
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:18.539
Bringing in an actor of like Nemoy's talent to come in and to make

965
00:42:18.539 --> 00:42:19.559
that fucking prop.

966
00:42:19.619 --> 00:42:21.119
Hurt.

967
00:42:21.179 --> 00:42:23.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

968
00:42:23.820 --> 00:42:25.260
Yes.

969
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:28.500
And so it's able to communicate like that because it's

970
00:42:28.500 --> 00:42:33.659
communicated with Spock, that it and Spock, and now it can talk.

971
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:35.099
Now we know it's a person.

972
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.860
Yeah, it's got a name for itself.

973
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.980
Look at, look at Jim's reaction to learning.

974
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:42.420
It has a name for itself as well.

975
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:43.619
He smiles, you know.

976
00:42:43.619 --> 00:42:48.000
In a minute as well, the things that Spock says from the point of

977
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:50.579
view of the water, the language that they use.

978
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:54.719
It's the closest I've come to finding something when we did

979
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:55.320
Dharmal.

980
00:42:55.380 --> 00:42:57.840
Do you remember when you said that and just the use of language in

981
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:01.019
that episode and how it was used to sort of strike you

982
00:43:01.019 --> 00:43:01.619
emotionally?

983
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:05.820
This is the closest, I think, I've seen another episode come to

984
00:43:05.820 --> 00:43:06.000
that.

985
00:43:06.059 --> 00:43:08.519
It's it's beautiful.

986
00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:10.199
It's just like single words, isn't it?

987
00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:11.400
Yeah.

988
00:43:11.460 --> 00:43:16.260
But it's, it's, but it's thinking about the future because it is a

989
00:43:16.260 --> 00:43:16.860
mother.

990
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:17.940
Do you know what I mean?

991
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:21.239
thinking about future generations of its kind and it's a very

992
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.579
special kind of mother because it's the only one left.

993
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.219
Remember, they all die off and there's just one of them and it's

994
00:43:26.219 --> 00:43:28.920
her job to completely rebuild the species up, you know.

995
00:43:28.980 --> 00:43:33.659
Um, and so she's the mother of that that species.

996
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:38.940
And when he speaks to her, when he speaks with her words, he has a

997
00:43:38.940 --> 00:43:39.539
soft voice.

998
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:45.480
Have you noticed that the way that Nemoy speaks, he speaks in a

999
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:50.880
sort of very soft way, as if he's trying to channel something

1000
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:51.420
feminine?

1001
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:56.219
We're, what, 30, 35 minutes in, yeah, and he's still asking.

1002
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:57.480
Kirk's still asking.

1003
00:43:57.539 --> 00:43:59.820
I want you to find out why it's killing people.

1004
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:04.500
And just how the whole episode turns on a dime when you realise

1005
00:44:04.500 --> 00:44:06.900
it's our mother protecting her children.

1006
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:07.559
Yes.

1007
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:09.059
The whole exis change.

1008
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:10.679
Look at that shot.

1009
00:44:10.739 --> 00:44:16.019
Look at that shot where he reaches out and puts his hand on it and

1010
00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:17.519
then moves in.

1011
00:44:17.579 --> 00:44:21.900
Like there's something, there's something about that shot, that

1012
00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:26.219
1st contact between these 2 completely different types of people.

1013
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:30.659
And I just love the weight. pulsates under his hands.

1014
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.179
I don't think that's an effect added.

1015
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:34.800
I think that's a physical effect.

1016
00:44:34.860 --> 00:44:35.280
No, no, no.

1017
00:44:35.340 --> 00:44:36.539
No, no, no, that's practical.

1018
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:37.500
That's in the in camera.

1019
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:42.480
I love Mr. Vandenberg and his man are here and they're pretty ugly

1020
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.539
but no one's uglier than Mr. Vandenberg, I think.

1021
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:48.059
He's a really rough looking sort of person.

1022
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:52.320
They're as ugly as anyone can look dressed up like the gap like

1023
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.920
they all look there.

1024
00:44:52.980 --> 00:44:57.119
Very colourful. in their jumpsuits. lovely pink mining jumpsuits.

1025
00:44:57.179 --> 00:44:59.340
Oh, look at him, devils, he says.

1026
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:03.239
Yeah, it's a devil to the dens.

1027
00:45:03.300 --> 00:45:06.599
Is the devil in the dark isn't the horser, is it?

1028
00:45:06.659 --> 00:45:08.460
It's the people.

1029
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:12.360
The chamber of the ages, the altar of tomorrow.

1030
00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:13.980
Gosh, that's...

1031
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:15.179
Yeah, so time and the future.

1032
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:17.400
Everything for her is about the future.

1033
00:45:17.460 --> 00:45:19.860
Yeah, this is the end of eternity.

1034
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:24.300
If she dies and the Horta aren't born because they're being

1035
00:45:24.300 --> 00:45:24.960
destroyed.

1036
00:45:26.340 --> 00:45:29.219
Yeah, it's so good, isn't it?

1037
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:31.679
But she's angry and vengeful as well.

1038
00:45:31.739 --> 00:45:34.800
Well, actually would be if someone had been murdering a load of

1039
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:35.099
your kids.

1040
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1041
00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:39.719
And look at McCoy's fashion is great.

1042
00:45:40.739 --> 00:45:42.780
Like, how does he come?

1043
00:45:42.900 --> 00:45:47.460
That is the face of a man that's just had every belief shattered.

1044
00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:49.079
Yeah, that's right.

1045
00:45:49.139 --> 00:45:53.400
Here is Nemo Lake Crouch beside a giant pizza.

1046
00:45:55.260 --> 00:45:58.320
Oh, dodged it like a pizza, doesn't it?

1047
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.099
wounded.

1048
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:06.000
I mean, I'll get pretty cheap pizzas, and they do look a bit like

1049
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:06.960
that.

1050
00:46:07.019 --> 00:46:08.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1051
00:46:08.219 --> 00:46:09.719
That's a problem.

1052
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:13.500
Back alley Eastbourne pizza, that is.

1053
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:14.820
Really?

1054
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:15.300
Yeah.

1055
00:46:15.300 --> 00:46:19.320
Bless De Forrest Kelly now.

1056
00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:21.000
Doing his medical.

1057
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:23.760
Waving his magic wand.

1058
00:46:23.820 --> 00:46:26.820
Well, that's the that's that fabulous.

1059
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:28.980
I mean, Beverly has one of those as well, doesn't she?

1060
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:32.280
The medical tricorder with a little sense of thing that you can

1061
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:34.320
get out and sort of wave at your patient.

1062
00:46:34.380 --> 00:46:36.539
You can't be serious, Nathan.

1063
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:38.940
That thing is virtually made of stone.

1064
00:46:41.460 --> 00:46:44.039
Dr. not a brick layer.

1065
00:46:44.099 --> 00:46:44.820
So good.

1066
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.280
And then he just says, you're a healer.

1067
00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:48.360
It's a patient.

1068
00:46:48.420 --> 00:46:49.320
That's an order.

1069
00:46:49.380 --> 00:46:50.940
That is so good.

1070
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:52.260
Do you remember?

1071
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.000
Well, of course you do.

1072
00:46:54.059 --> 00:46:57.119
We talking about the video cassettes in the 90s, you know, when

1073
00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:57.659
these all came out.

1074
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:04.679
And there was a trailer of scenes and both the, my God, Jim. begin

1075
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:06.119
to think I can cure a rainy day.

1076
00:47:06.179 --> 00:47:08.579
That was in there and the bricklayer one as well.

1077
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:10.980
I mean, this is all trailer fuel these lines.

1078
00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:12.900
It is, it's so good.

1079
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:14.519
So brilliant.

1080
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.239
Yeah, but isn't that what science fiction is?

1081
00:47:18.300 --> 00:47:20.579
Like, that's absolutely what science fiction is about.

1082
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:25.500
I think this is this Star Trek is not often really science fiction

1083
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:27.239
uses the trappings of science fiction.

1084
00:47:27.300 --> 00:47:31.500
You know, it's guns and spaceships and all of that sort of thing.

1085
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:32.280
But this is it.

1086
00:47:32.340 --> 00:47:36.539
You know, this is about communicating with something absolutely

1087
00:47:36.539 --> 00:47:37.739
you know, incomprehensible.

1088
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:41.519
Which, again, was, that was what Donald was about, wasn't it?

1089
00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:44.940
We can't talk to these people, couched in metaphor all the time.

1090
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:48.360
How the hell do I get through to this man whilst I'm being killed

1091
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:50.099
by this invisible beast behind me?

1092
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:52.199
Oh, it was great.

1093
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:52.679
Yeah.

1094
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:53.880
So good.

1095
00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:54.539
So good.

1096
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:57.000
So maybe it's when we flirt with these themes.

1097
00:47:57.059 --> 00:47:58.679
Maybe this is when Star Trek's at his best.

1098
00:47:58.739 --> 00:48:01.800
Well, that's what I want like Star Trek.

1099
00:48:01.860 --> 00:48:04.260
That's the thing that I like about Star Trek.

1100
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:08.039
This is the Star Trek that I like, is that kind of Star Trek, like

1101
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:12.599
the, you know, but to connect episode, the, you know, season 3

1102
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:16.559
episodes that we watched of Discovery and things, that all about

1103
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:21.360
making connections and just think, you know, oh, this where he's

1104
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:21.719
weeping.

1105
00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:24.780
Oh, yeah.

1106
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:25.440
Yeah, again.

1107
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:27.059
Give him I had held back.

1108
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:28.019
Do you know what I mean?

1109
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:30.300
If he'd just been even slightly embarrassed.

1110
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:33.900
There are times just makes free, you know, where, and he says, you

1111
00:48:33.900 --> 00:48:36.539
know, you can see how embarrassed I am with some of the things I

1112
00:48:36.539 --> 00:48:37.019
have to do.

1113
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.679
You know, I'm trying to give it my best, but, you know, I realise

1114
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:42.300
this show had gone to the dogs.

1115
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:44.639
At this point, the show was riding high.

1116
00:48:44.699 --> 00:48:46.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1117
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:47.579
Yeah.

1118
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:51.420
Yeah, look, he's tearing up, but of course, and of course, it's

1119
00:48:51.420 --> 00:48:53.820
Spock tearing up as well.

1120
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:54.840
Do you know what I mean?

1121
00:48:54.900 --> 00:49:00.659
This rock has made Spock, who disdains emotions, is making him cry

1122
00:49:00.659 --> 00:49:02.039
you know, it's so good.

1123
00:49:02.099 --> 00:49:06.179
Isn't that even that quite bold in the 60s to have a male

1124
00:49:06.179 --> 00:49:06.840
character?

1125
00:49:06.900 --> 00:49:10.260
Yeah, like emoting for a female.

1126
00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:13.380
Well, yeah, and having him essentially play female. you know what

1127
00:49:13.380 --> 00:49:13.619
I mean?

1128
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.079
He's delivering the dialogue of a female character.

1129
00:49:16.139 --> 00:49:19.079
His wife remembering. this is the same series that gave us the

1130
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:21.480
episode that said female captains are an impossibility.

1131
00:49:21.659 --> 00:49:23.039
Yes.

1132
00:49:23.099 --> 00:49:27.179
Yeah, absolutely. and had Yeoman Rand with her coffee tray.

1133
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:34.139
I, I think, you know, those mining out fits as stupid, but just

1134
00:49:34.139 --> 00:49:38.519
the choice of having them in all of those warm colours in that

1135
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:41.699
blue set. makes it just look amazing.

1136
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:42.239
Look at this.

1137
00:49:42.300 --> 00:49:44.340
Look all those broken eggs.

1138
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:45.539
Yeah, yeah.

1139
00:49:45.539 --> 00:49:47.699
I mean, visually, it makes its point well, right?

1140
00:49:47.940 --> 00:49:49.619
Yeah, yeah.

1141
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.860
And Shatner's looking at broken eggs that we don't get to see that

1142
00:49:52.860 --> 00:49:55.380
are all up the walls or all up the opposite walls.

1143
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:57.179
There's 1000000 all we can realise.

1144
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:58.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1145
00:49:58.260 --> 00:50:00.119
It's enough, though. think that's enough.

1146
00:50:00.179 --> 00:50:02.099
Yeah, it is.

1147
00:50:02.099 --> 00:50:02.880
I think it's fine.

1148
00:50:02.940 --> 00:50:05.400
This episode's like tunnel porn for me.

1149
00:50:05.460 --> 00:50:07.139
I want that tunnel to be in every episode.

1150
00:50:10.260 --> 00:50:12.239
Forrest Kelly.

1151
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.059
He's acting to order some cement.

1152
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:19.260
As the creature is pulsating in front of him.

1153
00:50:19.380 --> 00:50:23.159
No, they said cut and he was like, Jesus, I was doing Westerns

1154
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:23.579
before this.

1155
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:24.659
What am I doing here?

1156
00:50:24.900 --> 00:50:27.179
So she is about to die.

1157
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:28.440
Do you know what I mean?

1158
00:50:28.500 --> 00:50:30.119
Like this is the point at which she's going to die.

1159
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:33.659
She says the murderers have won.

1160
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:34.739
Death is welcome.

1161
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:35.519
Yeah, yeah.

1162
00:50:35.579 --> 00:50:36.059
Yeah.

1163
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:40.019
Look at his tears.

1164
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:41.039
He's really cropping.

1165
00:50:41.099 --> 00:50:41.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1166
00:50:41.820 --> 00:50:42.480
Yeah.

1167
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:42.780
Yeah.

1168
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:46.320
Jesus, they wouldn't let this go out as the parlour, would they?

1169
00:50:46.380 --> 00:50:47.219
A man weeping.

1170
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:48.780
Yeah, yeah.

1171
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:52.380
And there's, look, and Shatner comes in with the broken eggs.

1172
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:53.760
As well.

1173
00:50:55.500 --> 00:50:56.880
Wow.

1174
00:50:57.900 --> 00:51:00.239
That's probably good, isn't it?

1175
00:51:00.300 --> 00:51:02.820
Given it is patently absurd.

1176
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:04.559
It's really very moving.

1177
00:51:04.619 --> 00:51:08.460
No, no, they're making us move by the pizza duvet, you know what I

1178
00:51:08.460 --> 00:51:08.639
mean?

1179
00:51:08.699 --> 00:51:10.500
Like, it's it's ridiculous.

1180
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:12.599
It, oh, look.

1181
00:51:12.659 --> 00:51:17.880
Oh, of course, because she she stole the part of the reactor

1182
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:18.300
didn't she?

1183
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:20.340
And so they've just got it back.

1184
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:23.639
Shame we don't see one of those eggs hatch, you know, I'd love to

1185
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:24.659
see how they would have realised that.

1186
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:26.940
I'd love to have a baby horse.

1187
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:28.380
Little baby horse.

1188
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:29.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1189
00:51:29.460 --> 00:51:31.860
Just...

1190
00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:34.380
I wonder if there's a hoard or toy. you one for Christmas.

1191
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:36.539
Oh, there we go.

1192
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:37.920
Look, see, man.

1193
00:51:37.980 --> 00:51:39.780
That's what they do. the murderers.

1194
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:41.400
We're just gonna eat. here we go.

1195
00:51:41.460 --> 00:51:45.300
Imagine what Calvin would say if you presented him with that to go

1196
00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:46.199
in the house somewhere.

1197
00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:48.239
A massive whole degree.

1198
00:51:48.300 --> 00:51:49.980
Yeah, no he'd love it.

1199
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:54.840
That's it.

1200
00:51:54.900 --> 00:51:56.099
Kirk's stepping in the way now.

1201
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:58.019
First man who fires is a dead man.

1202
00:51:58.139 --> 00:52:00.719
Yeah, that's great, isn't it?

1203
00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:03.239
And you have killed 1000s of her children.

1204
00:52:03.300 --> 00:52:04.800
And he calls it her.

1205
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:06.840
You know, you have killed.

1206
00:52:06.900 --> 00:52:08.099
Wow, it's so good.

1207
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.579
It's so good. that they didn't comprehend or is it that they

1208
00:52:11.579 --> 00:52:12.059
didn't care?

1209
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:14.159
Well, I think they didn't care.

1210
00:52:14.219 --> 00:52:17.159
They didn't, but not comprehending is the point.

1211
00:52:17.340 --> 00:52:18.480
Isn't it that they come in?

1212
00:52:18.539 --> 00:52:21.420
They find something reaching resources that they don't

1213
00:52:21.420 --> 00:52:21.960
understand.

1214
00:52:22.019 --> 00:52:25.079
They make no attempt to understand it because they need the

1215
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:27.239
pergium and that's all they care about.

1216
00:52:27.300 --> 00:52:28.380
And that's the point.

1217
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:32.280
You know, they're they're strip mining this planet with no

1218
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:34.800
interest in the in how it works.

1219
00:52:35.340 --> 00:52:39.300
I think it's lovely that we've gone from Kirk, saying this

1220
00:52:39.300 --> 00:52:40.800
creature has got to die too.

1221
00:52:40.860 --> 00:52:42.659
It is an intelligent creature.

1222
00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:46.079
It's beautiful, you know, peaceful and mild.

1223
00:52:46.139 --> 00:52:48.420
Yeah, beautiful.

1224
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:52.139
Any mother would fight when her children are in danger.

1225
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:52.980
That is true.

1226
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:57.480
And that's him.

1227
00:52:57.539 --> 00:52:58.320
Do you know what I mean?

1228
00:52:58.380 --> 00:53:00.119
Like Vanderburg doesn't fight back.

1229
00:53:00.179 --> 00:53:03.420
He just says, we didn't know, how could we know?

1230
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:04.199
How could we know?

1231
00:53:04.260 --> 00:53:08.280
And he pushes back in the sense that, well, what do we do?

1232
00:53:08.340 --> 00:53:10.559
We can't have 1000s of these things throwing me around here.

1233
00:53:10.619 --> 00:53:11.340
What are we going to do?

1234
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:14.159
And then, of course, we learn that it's going to work.

1235
00:53:14.219 --> 00:53:15.900
You know, it'll work for them even better.

1236
00:53:16.019 --> 00:53:16.619
Yeah.

1237
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:22.739
They're so little because this is an overtly masculine show, the

1238
00:53:22.739 --> 00:53:23.280
original series.

1239
00:53:23.340 --> 00:53:26.639
There's so little for women watching it to kind of take off.

1240
00:53:26.699 --> 00:53:29.639
But actually this, this, a woman could watch and buy into

1241
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:31.380
completely what this episode is about.

1242
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:35.639
It's written and it's written by a black book, isn't it?

1243
00:53:35.699 --> 00:53:36.599
It's written by Gene Coon.

1244
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:38.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1245
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:42.239
Yeah, I should have kept him around, you know.

1246
00:53:42.300 --> 00:53:43.559
Yeah.

1247
00:53:46.619 --> 00:53:50.340
Yeah, so here he's coming up with a solution, the way that they

1248
00:53:50.340 --> 00:53:51.179
can live together.

1249
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:55.199
Um, and of course, it all works, and it would be more profitable

1250
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:59.039
even though there's no money in the future, um, uh, it would be a

1251
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:02.039
more profitable business, and uh, fortunately, it all works out

1252
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:02.820
well for everyone.

1253
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:04.500
This is my favourite bear.

1254
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.099
Kira, rainy day.

1255
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:09.719
Help it.

1256
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:15.900
He goes, I have to ship beam down a £100 of concrete.

1257
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:17.460
I'll just shoved it in all the cranks.

1258
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:19.440
Space concrete.

1259
00:54:19.500 --> 00:54:20.940
Thermo concrete.

1260
00:54:21.539 --> 00:54:25.199
Oh, I wonder what he's really got on his hands.

1261
00:54:25.260 --> 00:54:27.300
It's probably like a mud pack or something, isn't it?

1262
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:30.119
He just looks so happy.

1263
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.360
You really have got to see all 3 of them at their best here.

1264
00:54:36.420 --> 00:54:37.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1265
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:38.280
Yeah.

1266
00:54:38.340 --> 00:54:38.820
Yeah.

1267
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:42.300
We've spoken in the past about McCoy being, you know, this

1268
00:54:42.300 --> 00:54:45.300
terrible racist in TOS at times.

1269
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:49.920
Oh, here we go.

1270
00:54:49.980 --> 00:54:50.579
Here we go.

1271
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:51.900
So it's the humans thing.

1272
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:56.039
You know, it's like, like he actually finds the horta, quite a

1273
00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:58.619
relief after hanging out with all the humans.

1274
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:01.619
He actually appreciates hanging out with the horta because she's

1275
00:55:01.619 --> 00:55:03.480
very logical, which I think is.

1276
00:55:03.539 --> 00:55:04.739
That's so funny isn't it?

1277
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:06.539
Oh, soon as well.

1278
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:09.059
Now, these end scenes with the gag.

1279
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:12.179
It's very hit and miss, you know, sometimes they land, sometimes

1280
00:55:12.179 --> 00:55:14.039
they don't. one is great.

1281
00:55:14.460 --> 00:55:16.679
Yeah, I think it is pretty great.

1282
00:55:16.739 --> 00:55:19.139
Oh, look, here we go.

1283
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:20.280
The eggs have hatched.

1284
00:55:20.340 --> 00:55:26.639
And now, Mr. Vanderberg is a proud... a 1000000000 duvet slime

1285
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:27.539
pizzas.

1286
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:35.760
You people are going to be embarrassingly rich, he says. despite

1287
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:37.260
the fact that there's no money in the future.

1288
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:39.659
No, that's right.

1289
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:42.239
Well, we haven't quite landed there yet, have we?

1290
00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:44.400
There's still Goldpress Latinum, I'm sure.

1291
00:55:44.460 --> 00:55:45.900
Well, he said about the horse that?

1292
00:55:45.900 --> 00:55:47.699
What's exactly what the hoarder said to me.

1293
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:53.280
She found them as something. so great.

1294
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:58.559
That sort of weird bland smile that Shatner has on his face. like

1295
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:01.619
this very neutral, no reaction kind of look that he keeps giving

1296
00:56:01.619 --> 00:56:03.480
Spock. is really funny.

1297
00:56:03.539 --> 00:56:04.920
It's just really...

1298
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:06.000
The way he delivers that line.

1299
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:09.119
She found my ears the most attractive characteristic of all.

1300
00:56:10.019 --> 00:56:12.360
She really liked those ears.

1301
00:56:14.579 --> 00:56:19.260
It's a remarkably intelligent creature with impeccable taste

1302
00:56:19.260 --> 00:56:19.440
captain.

1303
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:24.360
Oh, I love it.

1304
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:28.380
I suspect you're becoming more and more human, Mr Spock.

1305
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:30.360
That's right.

1306
00:56:30.420 --> 00:56:32.940
Does he say I find no need for you to be insulting or something?

1307
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:35.460
Stand in here, be it somewhere by you?

1308
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:36.659
That's okay.

1309
00:56:36.659 --> 00:56:41.099
And then we cut away before the laughter even hits, which is what

1310
00:56:41.099 --> 00:56:42.000
they should do.

1311
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:43.440
We do get them smiley at whatever.

1312
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:48.300
There's a director's name. we salute you to the end of the

1313
00:56:48.300 --> 00:56:48.599
episode.

1314
00:56:48.659 --> 00:56:49.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1315
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:50.639
Yeah, that was pretty good.

1316
00:56:50.699 --> 00:56:51.659
Oh my god.

1317
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:53.880
Well, it had all of our favourite things in there.

1318
00:56:53.940 --> 00:56:55.199
Lots of fun in to play.

1319
00:56:55.260 --> 00:56:56.460
A great message.

1320
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:59.340
Brilliant science fiction, a terrible monster.

1321
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:01.380
I mean, what more could you have?

1322
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:02.579
No, it's absolutely perfect.

1323
00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:06.059
I don't know why it's not people's, you know, number one Star Trek

1324
00:57:06.059 --> 00:57:06.420
episode.

1325
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:07.440
It's absolutely great.

1326
00:57:07.500 --> 00:57:11.099
It's not, we're just getting that still from city at the edge of

1327
00:57:11.099 --> 00:57:16.980
forever, on the edge of forever, where, you know, we shouldn't be

1328
00:57:16.980 --> 00:57:21.179
pacifist because that means the fascist for wind, so we have to

1329
00:57:21.179 --> 00:57:22.860
run over Joan Collins in a car.

1330
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:26.340
And I just kind of think, wow, that's actually really a depressing

1331
00:57:26.340 --> 00:57:29.880
and deeply bleak and cynical view of the world.

1332
00:57:29.940 --> 00:57:35.099
But not here where we have the killer monster is actually just

1333
00:57:35.099 --> 00:57:38.099
misunderstood and mistreated.

1334
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:42.599
And if everyone would just agree to cooperate and be nice to one

1335
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:46.679
another and overlook our individual differences, everything would

1336
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:47.579
be a lot better.

1337
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:50.039
And, you know, what's not to love about that?

1338
00:57:50.099 --> 00:57:53.579
I mean, it's utterly naive, but very optimistic.

1339
00:57:53.699 --> 00:57:55.559
Star Trek.

1340
00:57:55.619 --> 00:57:57.539
It's absolutely what I watch it for.

1341
00:57:57.659 --> 00:58:00.480
I do feel as if they thought they missed a trickier, though, when

1342
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:04.019
they didn't show all the fabulous little hoarder babies on the

1343
00:58:04.019 --> 00:58:04.260
screen.

1344
00:58:04.380 --> 00:58:07.380
So when they got to season 2 and they did a triple episode, they

1345
00:58:07.380 --> 00:58:10.679
said, right, we're going to fill the screen with 100 triple babies

1346
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:10.920
you know?

1347
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:12.780
And so they did.

1348
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.719
Why do we ever have the hoarderback?

1349
00:58:15.780 --> 00:58:16.739
That would be great.

1350
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:17.699
But I guess...

1351
00:58:17.699 --> 00:58:19.320
Wow, it was a bit shit's role.

1352
00:58:19.380 --> 00:58:20.039
That's probably why.

1353
00:58:20.099 --> 00:58:21.300
Probably.

1354
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.420
But it plays its role in that little science fiction allegory, and

1355
00:58:24.420 --> 00:58:25.079
I think that's perfect.

1356
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:27.420
What more are you gonna do with them?

1357
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:30.659
I suppose actually we do go to a lot of mining colony, so we could

1358
00:58:30.659 --> 00:58:31.440
have done sequels.

1359
00:58:31.500 --> 00:58:33.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1360
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:35.760
Like the Hort, they take them with them to help them mine.

1361
00:58:35.820 --> 00:58:36.480
I don't know.

1362
00:58:36.539 --> 00:58:39.000
I just want to see the horn of babies.

1363
00:58:39.059 --> 00:58:42.059
Ships out to all the colonies, being exploited. you go.

1364
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:43.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1365
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:45.780
And then they turn crazy and kill everyone because they will do

1366
00:58:45.780 --> 00:58:48.599
that when they're exploited, apparently, and good for them.

1367
00:58:48.659 --> 00:58:50.280
Although, you know what?

1368
00:58:50.340 --> 00:58:53.579
It was barely executed here in the 1960s.

1369
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:56.219
I dread to think what they would have done in the 1990s.

1370
00:58:58.019 --> 00:58:59.460
Yeah.

1371
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:03.900
Very much Beja caverns, I think, would have been the order of the

1372
00:59:03.900 --> 00:59:04.139
day.

1373
00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:13.320
Alright, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to find

1374
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:15.780
out where we're going next.

1375
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:18.000
And I just say, Devil in the Dark.

1376
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:22.260
I did, and now we've watched Far Beyond the Stars, a fabulous

1377
00:59:22.260 --> 00:59:25.500
Lower Decks episode, and a brilliant TOS episode.

1378
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:28.019
So we're on a run of absolute gyms.

1379
00:59:28.739 --> 00:59:32.519
I can, I know I can trust you to just ruin that now.

1380
00:59:33.539 --> 00:59:39.719
Well, I am going to 90s Treg, but given that it's my

1381
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:43.619
responsibility to come up with something terrible, I'm actually

1382
00:59:43.619 --> 00:59:46.800
taking Deep Space 9 off the table for this one.

1383
00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:48.239
So it'll be...

1384
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:51.239
We were a little, I hate percentage wise. were we on DS9?

1385
00:59:51.300 --> 00:59:51.840
Yeah.

1386
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:54.360
But we're also a little head on good episodes.

1387
00:59:54.420 --> 00:59:59.280
And so it's just next, Jan, Voyager and enterprise in the mix this

1388
00:59:59.280 --> 00:59:59.579
time.

1389
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:01.380
Yeah.

1390
01:00:01.380 --> 01:00:02.639
Probably about 7030.

1391
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:06.840
It might be a bad episode on a good day, I think.

1392
01:00:06.900 --> 01:00:07.920
All right.

1393
01:00:07.980 --> 01:00:09.719
Here goes.

1394
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:20.219
Enterprise, season three, episode one, the Zindi.

1395
01:00:20.340 --> 01:00:25.800
That okay, that might be worth doing, but we have just done a

1396
01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:27.719
series 3 Enterprise episode.

1397
01:00:27.780 --> 01:00:30.539
So I think we should shake it up a bit more than that.

1398
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:32.340
Yeah, I think you're right.

1399
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:34.199
It was a few weeks ago now.

1400
01:00:34.260 --> 01:00:38.639
But yes, I am sort of interested in season three.

1401
01:00:38.699 --> 01:00:40.440
I just don't want to do an enterprise episode.

1402
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:43.860
Well, we might end up doing one.

1403
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:45.480
All right, let's see what else we can get.

1404
01:00:46.860 --> 01:00:48.719
I think it's this.

1405
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.900
I think it's this.

1406
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:59.639
Your random Star Trek, the next generation episode is season one

1407
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:03.420
episode 14, Angel one.

1408
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:04.500
Oh, no.

1409
01:01:04.500 --> 01:01:09.360
That's the one where Riker's got his shirt opened the whole

1410
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:10.199
episode, isn't it?

1411
01:01:10.260 --> 01:01:16.380
That was a formative sexual experience to me. and I won't have you

1412
01:01:16.380 --> 01:01:17.280
disrespecting it.

1413
01:01:17.340 --> 01:01:19.139
Yeah, that Harry. chest.

1414
01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:22.619
I did spend quite a lot of time thinking about that.

1415
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:27.719
Famously one of the most sexist episodes. of Star Trek ever.

1416
01:01:27.780 --> 01:01:30.780
We've just done 1960s drag.

1417
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:34.199
Oh, yeah, well, that had a war that had a female in it?

1418
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:36.840
I mean, there was a time, a little while back.

1419
01:01:37.739 --> 01:01:40.920
We were crying out for early next generation and we've had a

1420
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:41.639
couple now, sir.

1421
01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:42.780
I think we should do it.

1422
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:44.820
Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.

1423
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:45.780
We definitely doing it.

1424
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:48.840
It gives me the chance to say the fabulous quote as well.

1425
01:01:48.900 --> 01:01:51.480
But will you still respect me in the morning?

1426
01:01:53.219 --> 01:01:55.739
Oh my god, I can't wait.

1427
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:06.480
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1428
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:07.619
and Nathan Bottomley.

1429
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:11.039
We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find

1430
01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:13.679
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1431
01:02:13.739 --> 01:02:17.639
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1432
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:19.320
composed by Cameron Lahn.

1433
01:02:19.380 --> 01:02:23.760
This episode was recorded on the 4th of June 2024 and released on

1434
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:24.900
the 21st of June.

1435
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:28.619
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, Angel

1436
01:02:28.619 --> 01:02:29.099
One.

1437
01:02:47.219 --> 01:02:49.260
You're recording on both places.

1438
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:51.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1439
01:02:52.019 --> 01:02:54.780
I think it's incredible.

1440
01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:56.460
And I think the writing is incredible.

1441
01:02:56.519 --> 01:03:02.099
You know, like, it's G.L. Coon, and it, like, I don't think it's

1442
01:03:02.099 --> 01:03:02.940
anyway, we can talk.

1443
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:04.139
I don't want to spoil my thing.

1444
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:05.699
I just think it's...

1445
01:03:05.699 --> 01:03:09.659
Star Trek. fucking great Star Trek. absolutely perfect.

1446
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:11.639
It's good Teddy, but it's great Star Trek.

1447
01:03:11.699 --> 01:03:13.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1448
01:03:13.500 --> 01:03:13.980
Yeah.

1449
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:16.440
You know that thing that we talked about?

1450
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:18.300
Oh, yeah, Nemo is incredible.

1451
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:22.019
But, you know, like every so often you'll watch an episode and

1452
01:03:22.019 --> 01:03:25.619
you'll think, yeah, this is really barely competent television and

1453
01:03:25.619 --> 01:03:29.039
you know, like the start of, I mean, Devil in the Dark is a

1454
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:29.699
perfect example.

1455
01:03:29.820 --> 01:03:33.300
It's just garbage, you know, like it's made by people who don't

1456
01:03:33.300 --> 01:03:35.099
know what they're doing, apparently for some reason.

1457
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:37.559
This week. everyone's forgotten how to make television.

1458
01:03:37.619 --> 01:03:38.940
This is devil in the dark.

1459
01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:40.739
You mean Wolf in the Folds?

1460
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:41.699
What did I mean?

1461
01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:43.019
Wolf in the fold.

1462
01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:44.579
See, they're very similar.

1463
01:03:44.579 --> 01:03:46.260
They definitely are more from the fold.

1464
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:47.519
It's very hard to tell them about.

1465
01:03:47.579 --> 01:03:51.599
But the other one is, um, uh, what was the one?

1466
01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:53.400
was that one again?

1467
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:56.219
yeah But the one...

1468
01:03:56.219 --> 01:04:00.900
The, the one that, um...

1469
01:04:00.900 --> 01:04:08.820
With the, the dicaronium vampire thing, which looked like it was

1470
01:04:08.820 --> 01:04:11.820
going to be really shitty, but ended up being much less shitty

1471
01:04:11.820 --> 01:04:17.039
initially, they're on the planet, the smelly vampire clown comes

1472
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:17.940
and kills everyone.

1473
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:20.639
Oh, gosh, obsession.

1474
01:04:20.699 --> 01:04:21.780
Obsession, obsession.

1475
01:04:22.260 --> 01:04:24.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1476
01:04:24.179 --> 01:04:27.179
Like, again, it starts and you just think, what the fuck is

1477
01:04:27.179 --> 01:04:27.719
happening here?

1478
01:04:27.780 --> 01:04:28.619
Do you know what I mean?

1479
01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:30.300
This is late.

1480
01:04:30.300 --> 01:04:32.460
You'd think the money would be running out by now.

1481
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:34.800
But actually, I know there's the map pay thing.

1482
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:36.239
I know the horter is there.

1483
01:04:36.300 --> 01:04:38.699
But they really go for it.

1484
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:40.500
Yeah.

1485
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:44.159
Yeah, it's just a great set, great script.

1486
01:04:44.219 --> 01:04:48.179
And this speaks to us, right?

1487
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:49.980
You know, tunnels, monsters.

1488
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:52.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

1489
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:55.860
Lovely POV shots of the monster killing people.

1490
01:04:56.460 --> 01:05:00.119
Wonderful stuff. like proper horror movie stuff too.

1491
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:01.199
Like, do you know what I mean?

1492
01:05:01.260 --> 01:05:03.059
They're not stealing that off, Doctor Who.

1493
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:04.980
It's like horror movie trope, isn't it?

1494
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:08.460
Like where the thing rears up and in the camera, it's wonderful.

1495
01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:11.519
I wish you had just reared up him.

1496
01:05:12.780 --> 01:05:15.420
No, I like it when it arrives.

1497
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:18.960
It does remind me very much of the venom grubs, the way it moves

1498
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:21.360
around, you know, the person, I believe, on the skateboard.

1499
01:05:21.420 --> 01:05:26.880
It's the, it's the, um, guy under the duvet in the clause of

1500
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:28.380
axos.

1501
01:05:29.099 --> 01:05:32.039
Oh, like Galileo 7, right?

1502
01:05:32.099 --> 01:05:34.860
Galileo 70. kind of go, what is fucking going on here?

1503
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:36.840
That was like, that was terrible.

1504
01:05:36.900 --> 01:05:38.699
So what is it?

1505
01:05:38.699 --> 01:05:39.480
That might be the worst.

1506
01:05:39.539 --> 01:05:40.920
Is it the director?

1507
01:05:40.980 --> 01:05:44.340
Is it, everyone just goes, oh, this is a lame script.

1508
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:45.360
We won't even try.

1509
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:51.119
What determines, whether this is a competent bit of television or

1510
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:51.480
not?

1511
01:05:51.539 --> 01:05:52.739
Or whom gods destroy?

1512
01:05:52.860 --> 01:05:54.300
Yeah.

1513
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:59.159
I think, I mean, I think that's competent, but just desperately

1514
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:01.500
unambitious and shitty, you know.

1515
01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:04.199
And I know they were trying to do a backdoor pilot, but do you

1516
01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:06.239
remember how gorgeous a Simon Earth looked?

1517
01:06:06.300 --> 01:06:09.539
gorgeous sets and the location work and everything.

1518
01:06:09.780 --> 01:06:14.699
You know, and I don't even think we've done the best looking TOS

1519
01:06:14.699 --> 01:06:15.360
episodes, yeah.

1520
01:06:15.420 --> 01:06:16.920
Yeah, awesome, really.

1521
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:21.000
Maybe a doomsday weapon.

1522
01:06:21.059 --> 01:06:22.260
Doomsday weapon.

1523
01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:24.059
No, doomsday machine. machine, yeah.

1524
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:25.440
More Doctor Who.

1525
01:06:25.619 --> 01:06:28.980
Talking about Doctor Do. But then that's just using the same

1526
01:06:28.980 --> 01:06:29.460
sets.

1527
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:34.980
But just lighting them and shooting them in a more exciting...

1528
01:06:34.980 --> 01:06:36.059
Yeah, and well-performed.

1529
01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:36.840
This is Mark Daniels.

1530
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:41.699
This one is I don't know.

1531
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:43.679
Well, I'll keep an eye on the screen.

1532
01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:45.059
Don't worry, when we press player.

1533
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:46.559
Yeah, let's skip an eye out for that.

1534
01:06:46.619 --> 01:06:47.340
It probably is.

1535
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:49.980
It's Gene Al Coon, though.

1536
01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:51.239
So there's that.

1537
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:53.880
I just feel like in the 1st series.

1538
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:55.619
Well, I'll say it in the episode.

1539
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:58.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1540
01:06:58.380 --> 01:06:59.579
Yeah, let's do it.

1541
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:02.159
Because this will be longer and I go to bed after this.

1542
01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:09.059
Then wake up to the endless crushing grind that is my incredible

1543
01:07:09.059 --> 01:07:15.300
job teaching Latin to well-behaved children.

1544
01:07:16.860 --> 01:07:18.659
That's it.

1545
01:07:18.659 --> 01:07:21.960
The kids are not a problem.

1546
01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:25.440
Like these, like working in mind, like these feel.

1547
01:07:25.500 --> 01:07:25.920
Right.

1548
01:07:25.980 --> 01:07:26.880
Okay.

1549
01:07:30.420 --> 01:07:31.260
Okay.

1550
01:07:31.980 --> 01:07:34.619
Hey, Joe. Hi.