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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we have hurtled back absolute decades since our last episode and we find ourselves all the way back in the very 1st year of Star Trek.

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This is towards the end of Star Trek season one and it's Devil in the Dark.

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And it's written by Gene L. Coon, who we already know sort of fell out with Roddenbury kind of midway through series 2, but he's basically responsible for a massive amount of what Star Trek is and is about even, you know, in this modern era.

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And it's really, really, really properly good, I think, this episode.

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This is devil in the dark, which doesn't seem to, you know, make anyone sort of top 5 episodes.

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Uh, but maybe it should. one of the best ones we've seen.

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Yeah, I've noticed at the start of these TOS episodes, you know, you give us a little preamble and then you, with the TOS ones, you either say it's really, really good or it's really, really bad.

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We haven't had a lot of middle ground with TOS, have we?

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We sort of gone one way or the other.

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Maybe.

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I mean, the most recent one we did was Obsession, which I think is very mid.

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It has some great moments and stuff like that.

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Yeah, I thought it was okay.

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Troubles with triples we've done, the doomsday machine.

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We've done some great ones.

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Spectra of the gun.

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Spectra and a gun was gorgeous.

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Mind you, we've done Scott's brain as well.

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Wolf and the Fold, some absolute turkeys.

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After watching Devil in the Dark, you know, I've got a strange feeling that this franchise might run at least 60 years.

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That's how good it will do.

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It could well do.

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I thought it was really great.

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Just terrific performances from the regulars, but just a proper script that is really Star Trek in all sorts of interesting ways.

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I think that does surprising things that only Star Trek does, I think.

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But with an instant, brilliant concept of there's something down in the tunnels that's killing people.

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But just anyone watching TV, not just Star Trek fans, not just science fiction.

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Anyone could just put that on and go, oh, what's it going to be, you know, as people are being murdered horribly and we're seeing that all from their POV.

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Like, I just feel like they knew how to make good telly in season one DOS.

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Something happened later on down the line.

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I've got to ask you a question, though.

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Something I've been pondering actually in the week is, you know, when you watch these TOS episodes, is there anywhere in the back of your mind that all of those strange new worlds have already occurred and all of those enterprise episodes have already occurred before?

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Because it is in mind now.

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Now we're sort of jumping about.

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I'm like, oh God, Archer's already done all of his stuff, isn't he, Adelphic Expanse?

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The Gaul have been tearing their way out of people in strange new worlds and here we are in the 3rd Star Trek series, Star Trek.

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Well, Discovery, season one and 2 are before this as well, aren't they?

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Oh, of course, yeah.

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No wonder this is well honed by this point.

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That's right I literally never think that because I'm absolutely, you know, interested in the order in which all of this stuff reaches us rather than, you know, the number of the star date or whatever for when it said.

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It makes sense though, right?

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You know, enterprise is absolutely tedious for the most part.

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So obviously, naturally, that's where Star Trek began.

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You know, it's finding its speed.

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Then we move on to Discovery, series one and two, you know, where it's sort of getting there.

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It's looking a bit more like good telly.

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And then, obviously, strangely, Welles hits and we're flying now, baby.

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And then finally we get to the original series where we've done some absolute bangers.

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TV gold.

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I think maybe that's fair.

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That's probably a fair history.

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That's, uh, that's why we should write a memory alpha page.

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No one wants to read that.

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What really shocks me is when we watch these TOS episodes and they're lit and directed better than all this other stuff that comes later.

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I'm truly astonished about that, but they just had some very talented people working on the show at the time.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I think this is, I think this is magnificent because even though it does start as a horror movie with monsters attacking and killing people.

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It literally ends in a way that absolutely kind of epitomises what Star Trek is for...

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I think only Star Trek could probably get away with this as well.

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Like, Spock mind melding with the creature, this duvet, and Leonard Nemoy, who gives a heroic performance in this when he's externalising the pain of what the horter goes from, and you really feel it.

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And there's no hint of embarrassment in his performance at all.

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No, absolutely.

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I could almost see Shatner going, oh, Leonard, are you really gonna do this?

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And then Nimoy going, you watch is still going to be the best bit of action you've seen all year. it.

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I mean, Shatner's amazing in it as well.

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Like, really, properly good in it.

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So is DeForest Kelly.

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My God.

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I'm starting to feel as if I can cure a rainy day.

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He says I love...

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I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer.

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Absolutely brilliant.

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Like absolutely superb.

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But it is worth knowing once again.

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No other fucker exists on the Enterprise bar, these 3 and Scotty beaming down for like a couple of scenes.

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But they're so great together.

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Who cares?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, this is top quality stuff.

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This might be my favourite episode of TOS that we've done so far.

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I think it is really good.

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Yeah, probably good.

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It's definitely out there.

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I mean, I would certainly put this in my top 5 ever of TOS.

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In terms of its execution, in terms of its acting, but just like you said, how it morphs from your traditional horror movie into what's effectively like if you people were just communicating with each other.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No one would be dead and there'd be more, what's the substance called?

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I can't remember.

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Jurarillium?

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We'll see when we're going to next.

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There would be plenty of that to go around all the planets you're supplying.

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Exactly, you know?

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It's got a wonderful moral at its heart.

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And a kind of simple solution, but getting there is tough, you know?

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So the journey of the episode is just really gripping to watch.

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Ah, it's wonderful.

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What do you think?

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I think we should go in.

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Let's do it.

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Let's watch it.

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All right.

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This is the 2nd time I've watched it today, you know, and I can't wait.

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I'll count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one and we're off.

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So did you watch the original version?

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Or did you watch the movie?

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I'm watching the new one.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So this planet is much more realistic.

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And this, this is very similar. don't you think?

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very similar to the map painting.

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Well, I could see that on the screen.

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I could see the map painting behind you.

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Yeah, I found the original Matt painting.

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But just how beautiful this set is.

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Look at it.

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Like, it's just a shitty cave set.

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Think about the 1000000s of fucking times they use that...

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You're confessed.

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It's the same one every time.

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Eddie's the same one every time, but look at this. like the green and the blue, like just their desire to get, you know, very colourful things on screen.

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What are they done?

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They've done the thing that the best Doctor Who designers do when you don't have a lot of money.

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You make a circular set with lots of alcoves, so you can shoot it in many different directions as you possibly can, and it feels like a vast system of K's.

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It's very, very clever.

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But I also love the zoom, the dramatic zoom in on the planet at the start of the episode.

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And immediately it goes...

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Da, da, da, da.

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I'm in for gold in this one.

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If we're doing the horn of death right at the start, we're in...

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It's going to be great.

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So this poor bastard knows he's going to die.

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Does he?

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I like how half assed a man is going, no, you'll be fine.

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We'll just be in this cave over here, you know.

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Honestly, no, no, I can't afford to leave the set.

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They're just around the corner by the time he's dead.

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He laughs... very funny as well because the fact is in the 1st 3rd of the episode, the creature kills people very fast. and then, you know, by the time someone's barely stopped screaming, the creature's gone and they're just a dusty corpse on the floor.

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And yet, when we finally see the horse, there's no way it's getting away from anyone in any great hurry.

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Oh, look at this.

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Look at this though.

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It's so well done.

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So the guy sees the camera advancing on him.

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He regards the camera directly, and then in front of the camera, the thing looms up, you know, like from below, into shot.

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We just see it very briefly and then he's dead.

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And we don't see the body for a bit either, do we?

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We're told burn to a crisp.

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No, you don't see a smoke body for a cup, not until about halfway.

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You don't see it immediately at all.

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It's a great effect, though, when you see it.

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But just that thing that having the guy look at the camera each time, you know, like I think that's cheap, you know, but really interesting.

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It's probably good.

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Because, um, but I just imagine the director there waiting to queue the person holding the duvet going, right, go, in front of the camera and he's pulling it off.

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But it really works.

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We had POV shots in obsession when you were seeing things from the point of view of the cloud.

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And it's a cheap thing, like you say, because they just don't have the money to realise it as many times as they'd like to.

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Well, they don't have the money to realise the water at all, really, in this.

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But it's a great suspension, suspense builder.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But it gets you to see how horrifying they are.

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Like it puts the focus on their reaction.

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Because the anchor is uncomfortable position of being the monster for a moment, killing somebody.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, get the direct out.

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Yeah, usually.

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I'm hoping it's going to be marked.

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You know, that really is a lovely redone effect shot, isn't it, of all the pipes?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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See, this is so great.

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So this set as well.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Where the corridors still have that incredible blue green rock, but they're very 60s, aren't they wonderfully 60s?

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So good.

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Well, we said this time and again, haven't we, about the colours pop in on 60s track?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's like a visual feast.

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Every time we come back here, even in the bad episodes.

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Yeah, that's right.

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And they do it with lighting, so much of it is done with light, light.

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The direction's like, will you stand in front of that window, please?

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We've done that map painting or we want to get some value out of it.

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Do you think that's in the original thing or it's been put in?

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It must be in the original thing.

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Yeah, I imagine so.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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What I love about this mining place is this very low tech compared to the enterprise.

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So basically, they've been left to rot with the shittiest technology that you could possibly find.

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When Scotty later on has to bring down his repair stuff.

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He's like, I don't have any of that equipment.

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That went out with the ark.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We also have like, um, part B phases.

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Oh, look, he's pulling out his whiteboard with a map on.

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He doesn't have a computer down here.

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I mean, in a way, that doesn't Asian, the way that dreadful computer graphics ages in the 90s, you know?

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Well, yeah, it does kind of age though, doesn't it?

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don't you have a computer?

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I mean, for fuck's sake.

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Why don't you have a big hologram floating in the sky?

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That's what we would have had in discovery.

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I thought the idea was they were under resourced though.

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Yes, I think so.

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And they have only type one phases instead of type 2 phases.

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But, you know, for something that's so important as, is it trillium, I've kind of missed it in the special thing.

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They say it quite a lot throughout the episode.

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I worry.

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They do. will pick it up.

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Oh, I've only just realised I've got the subtitles set to French.

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I wonder why I couldn't understand what was going on.

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There was Ed Apple with his bad haircut.

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Oh, it's terrible, isn't it?

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Yeah, terrible haircut.

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He goes big and a bit shaggy.

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Yeah.

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I'm described that way when I get out of bedroom, you know?

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That's so great.

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So, Spock, you know, Ed shot it.

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And then Spock goes, you mean shot at it.

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I said, no, I shot it.

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Spock has got a line in sarcasm in this episode.

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That is wonderful.

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He's wonderful, isn't he?

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He's really good The last Purgium.

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Is that pergium?

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Pegeum, they say, don't they?

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I think Ash is that's referencing DS9 at one point.

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Ron Moore loved throwing in TOS references.

232
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

233
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Yeah.

234
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Yeah.

235
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Even the last scene in this, you know, where they're taking a piss out of Spock.

236
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And he's so sarky in that scene.

237
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I don't have to stand around listening to this bullshit.

238
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He goes, I'm going.

239
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So this.

240
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So I think that looks amazing.

241
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Do you know what I mean?

242
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So Spock is handling that sphere, the sort of reflective sphere.

243
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And like it looks fake, you know, it looks incredibly fake, but if you've seen snails, eggs, that's what they look like.

244
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Like they're showing little spheres.

245
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Yeah, yeah, like perfect little white spheres.

246
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So it kind of works, I think.

247
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But just having that in the foreground, that egg shaped thing, you know, which is the solution to the to the kind of problem.

248
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Um, so this episode is directed by Joseph Pepsney.

249
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And I'm now going to tell you the episodes that he directed, and boy, oh boy, is one of the best they had.

250
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You ready?

251
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Oh okay.

252
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Arena?

253
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Devil in the dark, city on the edge of forever.

254
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Cat bought a taste of Armageddon.

255
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I mean, come on.

256
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He did some of the absolute best.

257
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It looks like he bowed out in series two.

258
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Right okay.

259
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Another person, Freiburger, pissed off, I'm sure. eBay.

260
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Yes, yeah.

261
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Yes.

262
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So, yeah, I don't know.

263
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Like, I think for me that it's the script.

264
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I think this is very well realised, but I just think the script is so amazing and the 2 lead actors just the performance is really great.

265
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Well, I think if this, if the whole thing had been, like, if this was a TOS episode, I'd imagine the whole thing would have been leading up to the monster reveal, like Aquiel at the end, and we get the monster, the monster's defeated the end.

266
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Very boring.

267
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Whereas they reveal the horse about halfway through, and then, like, right, so the horror movie ends here.

268
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We're going to do something a bit more interesting with this now.

269
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We're going to get to know the monster.

270
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Yeah.

271
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That's great.

272
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But also, I think what it does too.

273
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Remember that the Federation is America.

274
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Oh my god.

275
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He a pretty guy just being killed by the movie.

276
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Little blonde guy.

277
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Oh, look at that.

278
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It's just a sort of scorched outline.

279
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Look.

280
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I love the camera.

281
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It's like adding across all this dry ice to the big hole in the wall.

282
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

283
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And then the big round hole.

284
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That's great.

285
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It's as much about editing, isn't it?

286
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And not lingering too long on the shots.

287
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

288
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But so what I was saying is that this this is also a story about colonialism, isn't it?

289
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This is a colony that's here to exploit the resources of an alien planet that they don't belong to and they don't understand, and they regard the native fauna as a threat that needs to be eliminated.

290
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And then they learn instead that the hoarder is a person, you know, like in any sort of sensible definition of that idea.

291
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Um, and that they need to work with her.

292
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And so, you know, the idea of of space is something to exploit, to conquer and take over and strip for resources.

293
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You know, like in an American context and in an Australian context, like in a new world kind of setting, that's, you know, that's our origin story.

294
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And, and I think having Star Trek suspicious of that so early on is pretty cool.

295
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Yeah, is it quite bold then having, you know, the other, that the native being so sympathetic.

296
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Is that quite a bold move for American television?

297
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Well, I think so.

298
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You know, like it's not I mean, it's not like an indigenous, like an indigenous people or anything like that.

299
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Do you know what I mean?

300
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It's still a sort of big, it's a guy in a duvet or whatever.

301
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But I think there's something interesting about her when she sort of turns up.

302
00:17:52.619 --> 00:17:57.180
Oh, he's Scott, saying he can't fix them.

303
00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:59.579
He's incredibly patronised, isn't he?

304
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Oh, this old cheap colony.

305
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But what I do like at the end is still not...

306
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They're not like comfortable bedfellows because they're working together and he goes, yeah, they're all right, but they're still a bit gross.

307
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I can't remember the exact line.

308
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It's like once you get over their appearance, you know, they're all right.

309
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And then spot goes brilliantly.

310
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Well, interestingly, they said the same thing about you.

311
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Yeah, they think you're weird looking, but they did think my ears were kind of magnificent.

312
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Oh, love that bit.

313
00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:35.819
No, I think he says that they find the humanoid form repulsive or something like that.

314
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Judge's fall was great.

315
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I mean, I don't think it leans too much into that reading. is there.

316
00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.640
Yeah, no, I don't think it's absolutely there.

317
00:18:44.700 --> 00:18:47.880
I don't think the episode is really about that though, is it?

318
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It's more about the monster itself.

319
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I do think it is.

320
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Really?

321
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Yeah.

322
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Yep.

323
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I absolutely think.

324
00:18:53.700 --> 00:18:55.619
So at one level.

325
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Do you know what I mean?

326
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It is about this nameless threat that we grow to understand, and once we understand it, we can have a working relationship with it.

327
00:19:05.700 --> 00:19:13.259
But we also start with a situation where we're exploiting this planet's resources in a really unsympathetic way.

328
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And then later on, We learn how this planet works and we, you know, just marvellously, because it's television, we need a happy ending.

329
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We get the resources that we want and we need, but without exploiting the planet, without destroying the planet's environment.

330
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I think that's there.

331
00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:35.640
So appallingly, then should they be rewarded at the end with success?

332
00:19:36.539 --> 00:19:41.880
Um, Well, because they're really sort of super ineffectual.

333
00:19:41.940 --> 00:19:44.640
They keep getting killed and they can't really do anything.

334
00:19:44.700 --> 00:19:58.500
Look, yes, there's a way, I did see someone who said, wow, lucky for the hoarder that they managed to be actually useful because, you know, it's hard to imagine that they just wouldn't have been killed anyway, and that's true.

335
00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:02.700
But this is kind of an allegory and it's a TV show and it needs a happy ending.

336
00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:11.700
And so we kind of just forgive them for destroying 1000000s of, of her children, uh, and we get on with our lives and...

337
00:20:11.700 --> 00:20:13.259
I hope they wait till together in harmony.

338
00:20:13.259 --> 00:20:18.299
Fucking off, and then a whole load of horns I came along and just wiped them all out. just killed them all horribly.

339
00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:23.339
So, Silicon-based life, you know, is a thing that happens in Doctor Who, isn't it?

340
00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:24.480
And the idea.

341
00:20:24.539 --> 00:20:38.519
So it's an old, old science fiction idea where, you know, instead of having, you know, I don't know, enough about chemistry, but carbon, silicon plays the role of carbon, and so these are sort of creatures of living rock.

342
00:20:38.579 --> 00:20:48.599
Notice this entire scene where we're speculating about the nature of the hoarder, you've got Spock staring at that thing that he doesn't know what it is, but it's the egg.

343
00:20:49.619 --> 00:20:51.420
It's pretty good.

344
00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:53.579
I um...

345
00:20:53.819 --> 00:20:56.819
The silicon-based life form point.

346
00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.460
I think that's pure Star Trek, isn't it?

347
00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:09.180
There's more, you know, there's more things out there in the universe that we're going to discover beyond our understanding because McCoy says at one point.

348
00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:13.440
It's absolutely impossible, Spuck. to have a solificant baseline form.

349
00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:16.259
Oh, and City's presented with it and then, yeah.

350
00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:20.460
And and then we play into the idea that it's silicon base.

351
00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:22.619
Like he literally fixes it with cement.

352
00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:24.000
Does it seem like in February?

353
00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:28.019
Like, cup it in cement. wonderful.

354
00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:31.440
I just started running it all over the wounds, you know?

355
00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:36.779
And the, I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer line, which he laughed about before is in reaction to that.

356
00:21:36.900 --> 00:21:39.839
You know, it's a big rock, a big living rock that he's got to fix.

357
00:21:39.900 --> 00:21:46.440
But he's so delighted that he's managed to cure this life form he didn't think could possibly exist. at the start.

358
00:21:46.500 --> 00:21:55.859
Spocking is Scotty and his friend have brought a bong with them, I think, to kind of relax after the repairing has taken place.

359
00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:58.680
We've seen that in other episodes, haven't we?

360
00:21:58.740 --> 00:22:05.759
Relaxes being pumped through the ship. that's right They're taking a whole bunch of drugs, so they don't think too much of a wolf in the fold.

361
00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:09.599
Look at the look at this short with all the them lined up.

362
00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:10.980
Oh, the red shirt.

363
00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:12.180
Troubles and triples, isn't it?

364
00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:13.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

365
00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:14.579
They're all red shirts.

366
00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:18.240
They're not all white, which makes a nice change, but they are all men.

367
00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:24.359
And in fact, the only female character, I don't know, do we see Ahura on the bridge?

368
00:22:24.420 --> 00:22:25.619
We haven't been on the bridge, have we?

369
00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:26.640
I don't think so, no.

370
00:22:26.700 --> 00:22:28.440
I don't think we do She's not in it.

371
00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:31.440
So the only female character in this episode is the horta.

372
00:22:31.740 --> 00:22:34.440
And it is the star of the show, to be fair.

373
00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:38.579
But I think that's the other thing that's sympathetic with my reading as well.

374
00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:39.539
Do you know what I mean?

375
00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:55.200
That men come and conquer and exploit and destroy, and the female character has children who she grieves for, and who she wants to bring up, and she has a stake in the future as well.

376
00:22:55.259 --> 00:23:00.960
The men are absolutely focussed on the present and she's talking about eternity and things.

377
00:23:01.019 --> 00:23:05.220
Wait till you see her dialogue when Spock mind melds with her.

378
00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:09.240
Why are?

379
00:23:09.779 --> 00:23:14.339
Why are all men in 960 Star Trek so pretty?

380
00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:15.900
Sorry to be so.

381
00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:16.920
No, they're hideous.

382
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.019
They're so pretty.

383
00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:23.460
Oh, yeah, these red shirts going through the corridors are pretty great.

384
00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:29.160
But they won't be around long, so you can't enjoy it for too long.

385
00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:36.059
I think it's just you've been on this man only planet for so long that you're starting to find them.

386
00:23:36.420 --> 00:23:39.779
A little puff on the ball. desperate.

387
00:23:39.779 --> 00:23:41.400
That's it.

388
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.880
Jeez, I love this set so much.

389
00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:51.420
Like, why, why wasn't Naughty Strek looking at this?

390
00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:52.859
Seeing how it can be done.

391
00:23:52.980 --> 00:24:13.019
Well, I think they're embarrassed by this, and I think that they deliberately moved away from the primary colours thing, which they saw rightly, I think, as the show kind of going, we're in Technicolour, you know, let's make everything really, really red, blue and yellow.

392
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:15.900
Yeah, because visually opinion...

393
00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:16.380
What happened?

394
00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:17.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

395
00:24:17.099 --> 00:24:18.059
Eventually, it ends surprise.

396
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:20.220
We went, oh, great, we're more monochrome than this.

397
00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:22.259
Yes, that's absolutely right.

398
00:24:22.380 --> 00:24:24.240
That's right, because I think it's more broken.

399
00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:26.339
Oh, wait, sorry, it's before this. forgetting.

400
00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:31.619
Oh my god, this is exploring an alcove.

401
00:24:31.740 --> 00:24:32.700
I think he's in trouble.

402
00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:33.900
Dramatic close-up.

403
00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:36.059
I see, look, he's very looking.

404
00:24:36.420 --> 00:24:37.259
No, he's pretty.

405
00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:39.180
I'm just desperate.

406
00:24:39.299 --> 00:24:43.740
No, you see, I think they're always just slightly a couple of degrees off, actually pretty.

407
00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:44.940
Yeah, look at him.

408
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:46.140
He looks weird.

409
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:47.099
Do you know what's great about that?

410
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:49.859
What's great about those POV shots as well.

411
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.339
It's because it's those massive fucking cameras that you had back in the 60s.

412
00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:58.920
You can sort of feel the poor cameraman desperately trying to wrestle this thing up towards somebody.

413
00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:04.079
They look great, don't they?

414
00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:08.700
Like the smoking ash outlines that it leaves behind.

415
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:20.759
This is the sort of thing I say, I think, on the website that one of my 1st experiences of Star Trek is like the older brother of a friend of mine saying it was very scary and it would give me nightmares.

416
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:25.019
And I think absolutely, we're thinking about this, aren't we?

417
00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:34.680
This is the sort of thing that would give kids nightmares with that, just the deaths, the way the deaths are portrayed, and just what the dead bodies look like too.

418
00:25:34.740 --> 00:25:37.019
Yeah, I'm really sad.

419
00:25:37.019 --> 00:25:40.920
I didn't watch some of this because I was so, because I watched TNG first.

420
00:25:40.980 --> 00:25:44.220
I was so resistant to all of this, cheap tap.

421
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:44.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

422
00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:49.619
You know, I only wanted to see exciting, riveting, sophisticated stuff like Wesley Crusher, you know?

423
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.619
If I would have watched this when I was eight, I would have been gripped.

424
00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:58.140
I just needed to get over myself.

425
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:01.559
I do sort of like the lava in between all the cracks.

426
00:26:01.619 --> 00:26:03.359
Look at it right away.

427
00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:04.559
Oh my god.

428
00:26:04.619 --> 00:26:07.680
This shot through the tunnel now. is one look at that.

429
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:10.259
It's like the time tunnel.

430
00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:11.519
Beautiful.

431
00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:12.480
Stunning.

432
00:26:12.539 --> 00:26:14.460
Still got the dry ice.

433
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:16.380
Look, just cling to the edge of the tunnel there.

434
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:22.440
Yeah, it's the acid that comes off its body, you know, like, and that's genius.

435
00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:24.720
So it's a thing that swims through rock.

436
00:26:24.779 --> 00:26:30.359
Like, it's an alien that swims through rocks, the way that people or fish can swim through water.

437
00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:32.519
It's so good. fucking lava.

438
00:26:32.579 --> 00:26:34.740
I can just tunnel its way through it.

439
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:37.559
Yeah, but it's just genius, okay?

440
00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:39.539
So here's a bit of it that spock has.

441
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:45.299
So working on a level for adults, obviously, because we're going to really get in touch with the hoarder's feelings later.

442
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.519
But it's such a great idea for kids, isn't it?

443
00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:50.519
This monster tunnelling its way through.

444
00:26:50.579 --> 00:26:51.299
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

445
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:55.740
I love how it, like, it's kind of animated the thing.

446
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:56.700
It's breathing.

447
00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:59.519
And Spock says that it's made of asbestos.

448
00:26:59.579 --> 00:27:03.420
Yeah, this, capable of moving through solid rock as easel as we move through the air.

449
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.420
And so it creates the tunnels that become possible.

450
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:07.500
It's so good.

451
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:12.539
You can take like a whole section of it off and it's still, you know, it's still on the rum.

452
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:14.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

453
00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:16.259
But it is horribly wounded.

454
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:17.880
Remember, when they come across it.

455
00:27:17.940 --> 00:27:20.279
It is quite injured as a result.

456
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:25.380
Yeah, I think the guy on the right's handsome, the older guy.

457
00:27:26.819 --> 00:27:29.460
Sorry, I'm going to get a shot of him again.

458
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:30.720
I'm just watching Nemoy now.

459
00:27:30.779 --> 00:27:31.980
Every reaction shot is.

460
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:33.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

461
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:36.599
Is his name's Giotto, I think?

462
00:27:36.779 --> 00:27:39.299
Yeah, that's a tunnel shot.

463
00:27:39.539 --> 00:27:47.579
And in a way that, in a way that, obviously, they're all in line there behind each other, but it just doesn't feel stagey.

464
00:27:47.819 --> 00:27:50.279
No, it's it's brilliant.

465
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:55.859
So they were lucky to have to go and kill it, right?

466
00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:05.819
And the fact that it's wounded isn't, we're not pitying it because it's wounded, although there was a hint of that in, in Kirk's performance.

467
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:07.440
Now this scene, I think, is great.

468
00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:14.759
I think this scene is absolutely incredible because what I think, and this is how I read it, and tell me if you think I'm crazy.

469
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:20.220
Spock objects to killing it.

470
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:30.720
Because it's the last of its kind, and, um, that he says it would be a crime against science.

471
00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:33.119
Right?

472
00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:35.099
And Spock still theorising about it.

473
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:43.200
So he thinks, yeah, it's the last of a race of creatures that made this tunnels, you know, uh, if it's the only survivor, then uh, we can't kill it.

474
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:58.500
And so, Spock, look at Kirk's reaction, like they just look at one another for a bit and then Kirk tells Spock to go and go and help Scotty.

475
00:28:58.980 --> 00:29:07.680
Like, you're not, you're, you know, uh, you're not involved in this hunt, right?

476
00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:11.579
Um, It's I think he's about to do it now.

477
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:12.660
Yeah, here he goes.

478
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:15.720
I'm afraid the creature has to die is what you're saying.

479
00:29:15.779 --> 00:29:17.039
The creature has to die.

480
00:29:17.099 --> 00:29:20.400
So, And it...

481
00:29:21.539 --> 00:29:25.680
And I think that I think that what what's going to happen here.

482
00:29:25.740 --> 00:29:31.380
So I've kind of stepped ahead because I think it takes longer to happen than I expected.

483
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:32.700
But this is what happens.

484
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:42.000
I think that we think that Spock is being sent away because Kirk doesn't think he's going to obey orders, that he means...

485
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:47.400
It was getting him out of the way because you were being obstacle. because his Spock's going to be reluctant to kill it.

486
00:29:47.460 --> 00:30:01.019
But later on, I think it becomes clear that the reason that Kirk sends him away is that Kirk is frightened that Spock will get himself hurt by refusing to attack it.

487
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:10.859
He's not doing it to prevent Spock from, you know, protecting the creature, but to prevent Spock from getting hurt by the creature because of his reluctance to hurt it.

488
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:17.579
And there is like these 2 love one another in this in this episode.

489
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:28.559
And in these scenes, like, like, like, when Spock thinks Kirk is in trouble, like he's so...

490
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:29.700
He panics, doesn't he?

491
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:34.440
He panics, the way he calls him Jim, I think, is just wonderful.

492
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:41.220
And then once Kirk sees the creature, he can't kill it.

493
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:42.660
He just...

494
00:30:42.660 --> 00:30:44.220
I thought that was so interesting.

495
00:30:44.220 --> 00:30:45.599
It's not making any threatening moves.

496
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:53.339
Trapped in a room with it and it's there right in front of him and he's just said, in this scene, it has to die. will kill it.

497
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:54.839
And then he says, I can't do it.

498
00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:56.339
He chooses not to do it.

499
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:56.880
Yeah.

500
00:30:57.059 --> 00:31:06.299
And then it's Spock who is frightened that Kirk will be killed and Spock wants to kill the creature in order to protect his friend.

501
00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:10.799
It just shows what's happening with the dynamics here, doesn't it?

502
00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:12.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

503
00:31:12.059 --> 00:31:13.559
Really...

504
00:31:13.619 --> 00:31:21.960
I think by this end of the season, you know, what, 20 episodes in or so, they've really figured out these characters and how to write these episodes around.

505
00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:23.640
Yeah, I think they really have.

506
00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:25.980
These two.

507
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.359
The 228.7 to one odds.

508
00:31:30.420 --> 00:31:31.380
Do you know what I mean?

509
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:34.440
He's going, oh, so they're the chest.

510
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:36.960
Logically, you might as well stay there, Mr. Scott.

511
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.240
It's so cute.

512
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:42.480
And then he goes, that was always the intention.

513
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:46.319
Look at the 2 of them.

514
00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:54.960
Just the sort of there's something about how funny Kirk finds spock. kind of how ridiculous he finds him as well.

515
00:31:55.019 --> 00:31:55.740
It's wonderful.

516
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:56.579
It's just so great.

517
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:04.619
You know what's what's both lovely and really sad is that they clearly had a really fruitful working relationship.

518
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.079
Learn Nimoy and William Shatner.

519
00:32:07.140 --> 00:32:08.940
And they did have a respect for each other.

520
00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:12.539
And Nemoy understood Shatner's, you know, flaws and ego.

521
00:32:12.539 --> 00:32:17.640
I gave him his room and Shatner understood that probably Nemoy was a better actor.

522
00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:19.799
Don't give him his room.

523
00:32:19.859 --> 00:32:21.180
It's so sad how it ended.

524
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:25.559
Yeah, they didn't talk to you, but he didn't go to his funeral and all of that.

525
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:30.779
Because clearly, look at them on the screen together, but they are meeting each other. just magic.

526
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:31.259
Yeah, yeah.

527
00:32:31.380 --> 00:32:32.700
Right up until those movies.

528
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:36.299
They absolutely recapture it in those movies beautifully.

529
00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:43.140
The good side of it, I suppose, is that we can go back and watch all this stuff and see them at their height, you know?

530
00:32:43.259 --> 00:32:43.859
exactly.

531
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:44.640
Yeah.

532
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.819
And it is true.

533
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:56.099
Every Star Trek show since then has been trying to capture this chemistry between the 3 leads in the original Star Trek.

534
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:58.200
And I think sometimes they get it.

535
00:32:58.259 --> 00:33:02.759
Sometimes they best it occasionally, but I don't think consistently like they did in this show.

536
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:08.400
And it is a brilliant conception, you know, like, and it seems to have been accidental.

537
00:33:08.460 --> 00:33:18.180
Like, in a show that is about, um, you know, that puts people in weird science fiction situations in order to examine what people are like.

538
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:19.500
Do you know what I mean?

539
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:25.920
That it's much more interested in people than it is about the weird science, although it's interested in the stupid, weird science fiction things as well.

540
00:33:25.980 --> 00:33:27.359
We love that too.

541
00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:30.180
So, yeah, we absolutely do.

542
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:38.880
But just having those 3 very different people in that sort of strange relationship is just wonderful.

543
00:33:38.940 --> 00:33:40.680
I thought it was just, you know, a humanoid.

544
00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:41.640
It would be quite dull.

545
00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:44.039
The fact that it's a duvet covered in lava is wonderful.

546
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.740
Well, yeah, but I think that's it.

547
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:50.880
It has to be that the monster is a is a person.

548
00:33:50.940 --> 00:33:52.259
Do you know what I mean?

549
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:53.400
Like that has to be the discovery.

550
00:33:53.460 --> 00:33:56.519
Fuck me, Nathan, the camera loves Shetland.

551
00:33:56.579 --> 00:33:57.420
Look at him walking.

552
00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:58.859
Just walking down a tunnel.

553
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.200
He's so great.

554
00:34:01.259 --> 00:34:03.900
I don't quite know what Spog is doing there.

555
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:09.300
I sent you a photograph of this earlier, them going down this tunnel, sort of back lit.

556
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:11.340
I was just like this looks so great.

557
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:16.920
I mean, it looks like sort of plastic that's been painted or whatever. just...

558
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:22.800
You adopted...

559
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.280
It's so much more interesting than it could have been.

560
00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:27.179
Do you know what I mean?

561
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.960
It's so much more interesting, just the colours and the look of it and the texture and everything.

562
00:34:31.019 --> 00:34:35.940
They're not afraid to just turn the lights down and make it a bit dark as well, which I love.

563
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:37.920
Frankly, that creature needs it.

564
00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:39.599
Yeah, yeah.

565
00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:40.559
I love this.

566
00:34:40.619 --> 00:34:45.000
You suddenly become aware because he's surrounded by eggs when he walks into this tunnel.

567
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.340
They're everywhere. where it is.

568
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:48.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

569
00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:48.659
Yeah.

570
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:51.300
So you're just waiting silicon modules.

571
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:52.739
Nathan, is this a bit weather?

572
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.860
hole when the water appears when the hoarder comes popping out of it.

573
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:57.000
I love that bit.

574
00:34:57.780 --> 00:35:01.980
I'm like, is that a new effect or did they try and do that?

575
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:03.659
It's a new effect.

576
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:07.199
It's so funny No, look, the hoarder pushes the thing down.

577
00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:08.340
Bless it.

578
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:09.840
The roof caves in.

579
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:15.000
But just, just to take, to take that angle.

580
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:16.139
Jim.

581
00:35:16.139 --> 00:35:19.739
That is a victim grieving its children.

582
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:21.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

583
00:35:21.539 --> 00:35:22.619
An interesting way.

584
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:24.480
What an interesting angle sake.

585
00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:29.280
I could phaser you out, is this?

586
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.239
But look how concerned he is.

587
00:35:33.300 --> 00:35:33.960
It's wonderful.

588
00:35:34.019 --> 00:35:35.280
It's so great.

589
00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:37.019
He's really heartbroken.

590
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:38.460
Just terrific.

591
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.920
Shatner's cool as a cucumber, of course.

592
00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:44.280
Well, as he is in mind, there's an extreme peril.

593
00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:49.920
Please proceed with caution.

594
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.019
I will quicken my pace, sir.

595
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:53.280
So wonderful.

596
00:35:53.340 --> 00:35:54.719
So good.

597
00:35:54.780 --> 00:35:56.099
Oh, look, here it is.

598
00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:57.840
It comes from...

599
00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:59.940
Yeah, that's simply the effect.

600
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:00.960
Look, look, look.

601
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:02.519
That's terrific.

602
00:36:02.579 --> 00:36:03.239
There it comes.

603
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:06.420
I can see the person moving under the tv.

604
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.400
Oh my god.

605
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:18.599
I just I always love...

606
00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:24.300
I always love it when they go for non-humanoid monsters, whether it's Doctor Who or Star Trek or whatever it is.

607
00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:27.300
It's just so much more fun to look at.

608
00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:33.239
This, like, just the fact that Jim can't bring himself to...

609
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:34.980
I know. too busy laughing.

610
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.199
Woo, it's kind of close.

611
00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:41.400
You can see the man's time. back forwards.

612
00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:43.320
Oh, it's so wonderful.

613
00:36:43.380 --> 00:36:44.940
Yeah, do a POV shot.

614
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:45.719
You're better off.

615
00:36:45.780 --> 00:36:47.579
Joseph Pepsi.

616
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:49.679
Stick to your POBs.

617
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:59.820
Oh, and Shatner's like, he's like he's in Shakespearean drama, he's making no concessions at all to the fact that this is sci-fi.

618
00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:01.679
I think that that would ruin it.

619
00:37:01.739 --> 00:37:03.239
I think it would ruin it.

620
00:37:03.300 --> 00:37:04.260
Like, this is ridiculous.

621
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:04.980
It's a rug.

622
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:05.940
It's got tassels.

623
00:37:06.059 --> 00:37:10.619
Like, it looks absurd, and it is a guy just crawling backwards and forwards and side to side.

624
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:12.300
It never looks convincing for a second.

625
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:18.300
But I think if they didn't believe it, it would have been ridiculous because it's proper.

626
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:19.320
This has a thing to say.

627
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:20.639
This is proper science fiction.

628
00:37:20.699 --> 00:37:26.039
I thought we thought this was the one, you know, with the flying duvets that come in, that they phaser.

629
00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:28.440
What's that one, do you mean?

630
00:37:28.500 --> 00:37:29.280
I don't know.

631
00:37:29.340 --> 00:37:31.199
I'll get through it one day.

632
00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:32.699
We will, absolutely.

633
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:34.800
That, it's not making any threatening moves.

634
00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:35.579
I'm not going to kill it.

635
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.960
You know, science fiction doesn't kill it. doesn't use duvets enough, does it?

636
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:41.940
I feel like there's a...

637
00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:45.179
There's more potential.

638
00:37:45.300 --> 00:37:49.079
Oh, look, now Spock's saying, I'll remind you, it's a proven killer.

639
00:37:49.139 --> 00:37:50.760
Yes, thank you, mister.

640
00:37:50.820 --> 00:37:56.039
Spock is crying is so concerned for Jim as we saw in the cave in.

641
00:37:56.099 --> 00:37:58.739
I mean, that sounds like love so much.

642
00:37:58.739 --> 00:38:00.480
As a as a visual.

643
00:38:00.539 --> 00:38:02.099
They're carrying clubs, aren't they?

644
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:03.360
Big bits of metal.

645
00:38:03.420 --> 00:38:06.960
They're literally going to club this indigenous creature to death.

646
00:38:07.019 --> 00:38:08.159
Yeah.

647
00:38:08.219 --> 00:38:16.619
Yeah, they're like, um, you know, the, they're like a crowd of people with pitchforks and stuff coming to kill Frankenstein or whatever.

648
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:18.300
The monster, okay?

649
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:18.900
Dont write it.

650
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:19.559
Cortes.

651
00:38:19.619 --> 00:38:21.119
He's just made site of the Aztecs.

652
00:38:24.059 --> 00:38:26.880
So he does.

653
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.219
Oh, is that where the eggs come out?

654
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.440
No, that's the injury.

655
00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:32.639
That's the phaser blade.

656
00:38:32.699 --> 00:38:33.960
Ah okay.

657
00:38:34.019 --> 00:38:34.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

658
00:38:34.980 --> 00:38:36.719
Yeah, that's the phase, but.

659
00:38:36.780 --> 00:38:38.699
And it's like, it's sort of pusulant.

660
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:39.480
Do you know what I mean?

661
00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:45.659
Like it's, it's, And it's, it looks like a blister, right?

662
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:48.539
I just, yeah, I know.

663
00:38:48.539 --> 00:38:49.860
It's such an obvious thing to say.

664
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:56.159
I just can't get over the fact that you can see the 2 hands and the 2 legs or because obviously that's all the man's got to eat.

665
00:38:56.219 --> 00:38:57.480
It's great.

666
00:38:57.539 --> 00:38:59.039
It's one hell of a performance.

667
00:38:59.099 --> 00:39:00.539
Oh, it is.

668
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:01.679
Give him an Oscar.

669
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:04.079
Adith Kayla?

670
00:39:04.139 --> 00:39:04.559
Who's that?

671
00:39:06.179 --> 00:39:08.099
That's it.

672
00:39:08.099 --> 00:39:10.739
Yeah, no.

673
00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:12.360
Shilling is right, Collins, for sure.

674
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.420
No, no, it's no contest.

675
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:16.860
We haven't done that one yet.

676
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.219
Oh, is this when Spot makes contact?

677
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:21.960
I love this scene so much.

678
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:26.519
It's pizza, isn't it?

679
00:39:26.579 --> 00:39:27.480
And that's a moment.

680
00:39:27.539 --> 00:39:34.320
Shadow looks up and says that looks up at Nemo and kind of goes, yeah, this is a bit ridiculous, isn't it?

681
00:39:34.380 --> 00:39:35.159
Like you just see?

682
00:39:35.219 --> 00:39:36.719
I was just like, get it.

683
00:39:36.780 --> 00:39:37.800
Get a load of these.

684
00:39:37.860 --> 00:39:39.119
But he's not mocking it.

685
00:39:39.179 --> 00:39:39.840
Do you know what I mean?

686
00:39:39.900 --> 00:39:44.280
And it is pretty subtle and that I tried talking to it, but it didn't do any good.

687
00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:46.260
It's actually a pretty great line as well.

688
00:39:46.800 --> 00:40:00.960
It does remind me of, you know, in the Doctor Who story creature from the pit where Tom Baker's trying to communicate with, that's another sort of non-humanoid creature that doesn't talk in our language.

689
00:40:01.019 --> 00:40:02.219
I love that.

690
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:05.099
That's, again, it's just so it's so Star Trek, isn't it?

691
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:09.900
Try to communicate with, you said that they do that in Discovery Series 4, didn't you?

692
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:19.139
There is the DNC, and that's the discovery is the 10C, who are just completely unlike us and almost completely incomprehensible.

693
00:40:19.260 --> 00:40:20.400
They're super weird.

694
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:21.840
It's wonderful.

695
00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:27.480
I mean, it's absolutely, I think that that plot, and I was going to say it.

696
00:40:27.539 --> 00:40:29.400
I remember thinking it at the time.

697
00:40:29.460 --> 00:40:36.780
That plot at the end of Discovery Series four, which I think is the best run of Discovery and the best season of Discovery, one is very good as well.

698
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:38.159
But 4 is great.

699
00:40:38.219 --> 00:40:40.619
It's real proper science fiction the way this is.

700
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:43.800
It's about learning to communicate with new people.

701
00:40:43.860 --> 00:40:46.380
And remember the 10 C of been destroying planets.

702
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.599
So it's the same kind of thing.

703
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:58.199
Totally, like you said, pushing against, you know, the idea of the Americans or whoever invading another place and taking over.

704
00:40:58.260 --> 00:41:03.719
What they're doing is they're going out into the stars and they're reaching out a hand of hello rather than trying to conquer them.

705
00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:04.679
It's a wonderful miss.

706
00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:06.960
And it's also not taking revenge as well.

707
00:41:07.019 --> 00:41:08.039
Do you know what I mean?

708
00:41:08.099 --> 00:41:17.280
Like if like the story in series 3 of Enterprise is that they're going to prevent another attack, right?

709
00:41:17.340 --> 00:41:19.619
But they're also out for revenge in a way.

710
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:20.280
So, all right.

711
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:22.500
So miserable in a way, isn't it?

712
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:29.940
Well, I was going to say, right, if Shatner's in a Shakespearean drama, Nemoy is in a Greek tragedy, I mean, he just goes for it.

713
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:39.900
So he'll kneel down and touch it and deliver the dialogue and because it's female.

714
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.480
Oh, look at it trying to get up the stairs there.

715
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:48.719
It does make you wonder how it got away so quickly all those times it murdered people, isn't it?

716
00:41:49.139 --> 00:41:57.300
But, oh, it goes up onto the stairs so that Shatner doesn't so that Nemo doesn't have to bend down too much to do the mind probe.

717
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.840
No, no, this is it, this is it, saying no kill.

718
00:42:00.900 --> 00:42:03.780
No, no kill I. No kill.

719
00:42:03.780 --> 00:42:06.360
I. I've forgotten that.

720
00:42:06.420 --> 00:42:07.440
I only watched it this morning.

721
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:09.900
So good.

722
00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:13.260
But it just goes, this just goes to show now.

723
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:19.559
Bringing in an actor of like Nemoy's talent to come in and to make that fucking prop.

724
00:42:19.619 --> 00:42:21.119
Hurt.

725
00:42:21.179 --> 00:42:23.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

726
00:42:23.820 --> 00:42:25.260
Yes.

727
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:33.659
And so it's able to communicate like that because it's communicated with Spock, that it and Spock, and now it can talk.

728
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:35.099
Now we know it's a person.

729
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.860
Yeah, it's got a name for itself.

730
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.980
Look at, look at Jim's reaction to learning.

731
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:42.420
It has a name for itself as well.

732
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:43.619
He smiles, you know.

733
00:42:43.619 --> 00:42:50.579
In a minute as well, the things that Spock says from the point of view of the water, the language that they use.

734
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:55.320
It's the closest I've come to finding something when we did Dharmal.

735
00:42:55.380 --> 00:43:01.619
Do you remember when you said that and just the use of language in that episode and how it was used to sort of strike you emotionally?

736
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:06.000
This is the closest, I think, I've seen another episode come to that.

737
00:43:06.059 --> 00:43:08.519
It's it's beautiful.

738
00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:10.199
It's just like single words, isn't it?

739
00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:11.400
Yeah.

740
00:43:11.460 --> 00:43:16.860
But it's, it's, but it's thinking about the future because it is a mother.

741
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:17.940
Do you know what I mean?

742
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:23.579
thinking about future generations of its kind and it's a very special kind of mother because it's the only one left.

743
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:28.920
Remember, they all die off and there's just one of them and it's her job to completely rebuild the species up, you know.

744
00:43:28.980 --> 00:43:33.659
Um, and so she's the mother of that that species.

745
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:39.539
And when he speaks to her, when he speaks with her words, he has a soft voice.

746
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:51.420
Have you noticed that the way that Nemoy speaks, he speaks in a sort of very soft way, as if he's trying to channel something feminine?

747
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:56.219
We're, what, 30, 35 minutes in, yeah, and he's still asking.

748
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:57.480
Kirk's still asking.

749
00:43:57.539 --> 00:43:59.820
I want you to find out why it's killing people.

750
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:06.900
And just how the whole episode turns on a dime when you realise it's our mother protecting her children.

751
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:07.559
Yes.

752
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:09.059
The whole exis change.

753
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:10.679
Look at that shot.

754
00:44:10.739 --> 00:44:17.519
Look at that shot where he reaches out and puts his hand on it and then moves in.

755
00:44:17.579 --> 00:44:26.219
Like there's something, there's something about that shot, that 1st contact between these 2 completely different types of people.

756
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:30.659
And I just love the weight. pulsates under his hands.

757
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.179
I don't think that's an effect added.

758
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:34.800
I think that's a physical effect.

759
00:44:34.860 --> 00:44:35.280
No, no, no.

760
00:44:35.340 --> 00:44:36.539
No, no, no, that's practical.

761
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:37.500
That's in the in camera.

762
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:45.539
I love Mr. Vandenberg and his man are here and they're pretty ugly, but no one's uglier than Mr. Vandenberg, I think.

763
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:48.059
He's a really rough looking sort of person.

764
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:52.920
They're as ugly as anyone can look dressed up like the gap like they all look there.

765
00:44:52.980 --> 00:44:57.119
Very colourful. in their jumpsuits. lovely pink mining jumpsuits.

766
00:44:57.179 --> 00:44:59.340
Oh, look at him, devils, he says.

767
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:03.239
Yeah, it's a devil to the dens.

768
00:45:03.300 --> 00:45:06.599
Is the devil in the dark isn't the horser, is it?

769
00:45:06.659 --> 00:45:08.460
It's the people.

770
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:12.360
The chamber of the ages, the altar of tomorrow.

771
00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:13.980
Gosh, that's...

772
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:15.179
Yeah, so time and the future.

773
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:17.400
Everything for her is about the future.

774
00:45:17.460 --> 00:45:19.860
Yeah, this is the end of eternity.

775
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:24.960
If she dies and the Horta aren't born because they're being destroyed.

776
00:45:26.340 --> 00:45:29.219
Yeah, it's so good, isn't it?

777
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:31.679
But she's angry and vengeful as well.

778
00:45:31.739 --> 00:45:35.099
Well, actually would be if someone had been murdering a load of your kids.

779
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

780
00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:39.719
And look at McCoy's fashion is great.

781
00:45:40.739 --> 00:45:42.780
Like, how does he come?

782
00:45:42.900 --> 00:45:47.460
That is the face of a man that's just had every belief shattered.

783
00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:49.079
Yeah, that's right.

784
00:45:49.139 --> 00:45:53.400
Here is Nemo Lake Crouch beside a giant pizza.

785
00:45:55.260 --> 00:45:58.320
Oh, dodged it like a pizza, doesn't it?

786
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.099
wounded.

787
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:06.960
I mean, I'll get pretty cheap pizzas, and they do look a bit like that.

788
00:46:07.019 --> 00:46:08.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

789
00:46:08.219 --> 00:46:09.719
That's a problem.

790
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:13.500
Back alley Eastbourne pizza, that is.

791
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:14.820
Really?

792
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:15.300
Yeah.

793
00:46:15.300 --> 00:46:19.320
Bless De Forrest Kelly now.

794
00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:21.000
Doing his medical.

795
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:23.760
Waving his magic wand.

796
00:46:23.820 --> 00:46:26.820
Well, that's the that's that fabulous.

797
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:28.980
I mean, Beverly has one of those as well, doesn't she?

798
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:34.320
The medical tricorder with a little sense of thing that you can get out and sort of wave at your patient.

799
00:46:34.380 --> 00:46:36.539
You can't be serious, Nathan.

800
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:38.940
That thing is virtually made of stone.

801
00:46:41.460 --> 00:46:44.039
Dr. not a brick layer.

802
00:46:44.099 --> 00:46:44.820
So good.

803
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.280
And then he just says, you're a healer.

804
00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:48.360
It's a patient.

805
00:46:48.420 --> 00:46:49.320
That's an order.

806
00:46:49.380 --> 00:46:50.940
That is so good.

807
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:52.260
Do you remember?

808
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.000
Well, of course you do.

809
00:46:54.059 --> 00:46:57.659
We talking about the video cassettes in the 90s, you know, when these all came out.

810
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:06.119
And there was a trailer of scenes and both the, my God, Jim. begin to think I can cure a rainy day.

811
00:47:06.179 --> 00:47:08.579
That was in there and the bricklayer one as well.

812
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:10.980
I mean, this is all trailer fuel these lines.

813
00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:12.900
It is, it's so good.

814
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:14.519
So brilliant.

815
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.239
Yeah, but isn't that what science fiction is?

816
00:47:18.300 --> 00:47:20.579
Like, that's absolutely what science fiction is about.

817
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:27.239
I think this is this Star Trek is not often really science fiction. uses the trappings of science fiction.

818
00:47:27.300 --> 00:47:31.500
You know, it's guns and spaceships and all of that sort of thing.

819
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:32.280
But this is it.

820
00:47:32.340 --> 00:47:37.739
You know, this is about communicating with something absolutely, you know, incomprehensible.

821
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:41.519
Which, again, was, that was what Donald was about, wasn't it?

822
00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:44.940
We can't talk to these people, couched in metaphor all the time.

823
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:50.099
How the hell do I get through to this man whilst I'm being killed by this invisible beast behind me?

824
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:52.199
Oh, it was great.

825
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:52.679
Yeah.

826
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:53.880
So good.

827
00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:54.539
So good.

828
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:57.000
So maybe it's when we flirt with these themes.

829
00:47:57.059 --> 00:47:58.679
Maybe this is when Star Trek's at his best.

830
00:47:58.739 --> 00:48:01.800
Well, that's what I want like Star Trek.

831
00:48:01.860 --> 00:48:04.260
That's the thing that I like about Star Trek.

832
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:21.719
This is the Star Trek that I like, is that kind of Star Trek, like the, you know, but to connect episode, the, you know, season 3 episodes that we watched of Discovery and things, that all about making connections and just think, you know, oh, this where he's weeping.

833
00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:24.780
Oh, yeah.

834
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:25.440
Yeah, again.

835
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:27.059
Give him I had held back.

836
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:28.019
Do you know what I mean?

837
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:30.300
If he'd just been even slightly embarrassed.

838
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:37.019
There are times just makes free, you know, where, and he says, you know, you can see how embarrassed I am with some of the things I have to do.

839
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:42.300
You know, I'm trying to give it my best, but, you know, I realise this show had gone to the dogs.

840
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:44.639
At this point, the show was riding high.

841
00:48:44.699 --> 00:48:46.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

842
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:47.579
Yeah.

843
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:53.820
Yeah, look, he's tearing up, but of course, and of course, it's Spock tearing up as well.

844
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:54.840
Do you know what I mean?

845
00:48:54.900 --> 00:49:02.039
This rock has made Spock, who disdains emotions, is making him cry, you know, it's so good.

846
00:49:02.099 --> 00:49:06.840
Isn't that even that quite bold in the 60s to have a male character?

847
00:49:06.900 --> 00:49:10.260
Yeah, like emoting for a female.

848
00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:13.619
Well, yeah, and having him essentially play female. you know what I mean?

849
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.079
He's delivering the dialogue of a female character.

850
00:49:16.139 --> 00:49:21.480
His wife remembering. this is the same series that gave us the episode that said female captains are an impossibility.

851
00:49:21.659 --> 00:49:23.039
Yes.

852
00:49:23.099 --> 00:49:27.179
Yeah, absolutely. and had Yeoman Rand with her coffee tray.

853
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:41.699
I, I think, you know, those mining out fits as stupid, but just the choice of having them in all of those warm colours in that blue set. makes it just look amazing.

854
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:42.239
Look at this.

855
00:49:42.300 --> 00:49:44.340
Look all those broken eggs.

856
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:45.539
Yeah, yeah.

857
00:49:45.539 --> 00:49:47.699
I mean, visually, it makes its point well, right?

858
00:49:47.940 --> 00:49:49.619
Yeah, yeah.

859
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:55.380
And Shatner's looking at broken eggs that we don't get to see that are all up the walls or all up the opposite walls.

860
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:57.179
There's 1000000 all we can realise.

861
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:58.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

862
00:49:58.260 --> 00:50:00.119
It's enough, though. think that's enough.

863
00:50:00.179 --> 00:50:02.099
Yeah, it is.

864
00:50:02.099 --> 00:50:02.880
I think it's fine.

865
00:50:02.940 --> 00:50:05.400
This episode's like tunnel porn for me.

866
00:50:05.460 --> 00:50:07.139
I want that tunnel to be in every episode.

867
00:50:10.260 --> 00:50:12.239
Forrest Kelly.

868
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.059
He's acting to order some cement.

869
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:19.260
As the creature is pulsating in front of him.

870
00:50:19.380 --> 00:50:23.579
No, they said cut and he was like, Jesus, I was doing Westerns before this.

871
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:24.659
What am I doing here?

872
00:50:24.900 --> 00:50:27.179
So she is about to die.

873
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:28.440
Do you know what I mean?

874
00:50:28.500 --> 00:50:30.119
Like this is the point at which she's going to die.

875
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:33.659
She says the murderers have won.

876
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:34.739
Death is welcome.

877
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:35.519
Yeah, yeah.

878
00:50:35.579 --> 00:50:36.059
Yeah.

879
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:40.019
Look at his tears.

880
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:41.039
He's really cropping.

881
00:50:41.099 --> 00:50:41.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

882
00:50:41.820 --> 00:50:42.480
Yeah.

883
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:42.780
Yeah.

884
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:46.320
Jesus, they wouldn't let this go out as the parlour, would they?

885
00:50:46.380 --> 00:50:47.219
A man weeping.

886
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:48.780
Yeah, yeah.

887
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:52.380
And there's, look, and Shatner comes in with the broken eggs.

888
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:53.760
As well.

889
00:50:55.500 --> 00:50:56.880
Wow.

890
00:50:57.900 --> 00:51:00.239
That's probably good, isn't it?

891
00:51:00.300 --> 00:51:02.820
Given it is patently absurd.

892
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:04.559
It's really very moving.

893
00:51:04.619 --> 00:51:08.639
No, no, they're making us move by the pizza duvet, you know what I mean?

894
00:51:08.699 --> 00:51:10.500
Like, it's it's ridiculous.

895
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:12.599
It, oh, look.

896
00:51:12.659 --> 00:51:18.300
Oh, of course, because she she stole the part of the reactor, didn't she?

897
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:20.340
And so they've just got it back.

898
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:24.659
Shame we don't see one of those eggs hatch, you know, I'd love to see how they would have realised that.

899
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:26.940
I'd love to have a baby horse.

900
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:28.380
Little baby horse.

901
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:29.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

902
00:51:29.460 --> 00:51:31.860
Just...

903
00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:34.380
I wonder if there's a hoard or toy. you one for Christmas.

904
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:36.539
Oh, there we go.

905
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:37.920
Look, see, man.

906
00:51:37.980 --> 00:51:39.780
That's what they do. the murderers.

907
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:41.400
We're just gonna eat. here we go.

908
00:51:41.460 --> 00:51:46.199
Imagine what Calvin would say if you presented him with that to go in the house somewhere.

909
00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:48.239
A massive whole degree.

910
00:51:48.300 --> 00:51:49.980
Yeah, no he'd love it.

911
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:54.840
That's it.

912
00:51:54.900 --> 00:51:56.099
Kirk's stepping in the way now.

913
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:58.019
First man who fires is a dead man.

914
00:51:58.139 --> 00:52:00.719
Yeah, that's great, isn't it?

915
00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:03.239
And you have killed 1000s of her children.

916
00:52:03.300 --> 00:52:04.800
And he calls it her.

917
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:06.840
You know, you have killed.

918
00:52:06.900 --> 00:52:08.099
Wow, it's so good.

919
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:12.059
It's so good. that they didn't comprehend or is it that they didn't care?

920
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:14.159
Well, I think they didn't care.

921
00:52:14.219 --> 00:52:17.159
They didn't, but not comprehending is the point.

922
00:52:17.340 --> 00:52:18.480
Isn't it that they come in?

923
00:52:18.539 --> 00:52:21.960
They find something reaching resources that they don't understand.

924
00:52:22.019 --> 00:52:27.239
They make no attempt to understand it because they need the pergium and that's all they care about.

925
00:52:27.300 --> 00:52:28.380
And that's the point.

926
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:34.800
You know, they're they're strip mining this planet with no interest in the in how it works.

927
00:52:35.340 --> 00:52:40.800
I think it's lovely that we've gone from Kirk, saying this creature has got to die too.

928
00:52:40.860 --> 00:52:42.659
It is an intelligent creature.

929
00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:46.079
It's beautiful, you know, peaceful and mild.

930
00:52:46.139 --> 00:52:48.420
Yeah, beautiful.

931
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:52.139
Any mother would fight when her children are in danger.

932
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:52.980
That is true.

933
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:57.480
And that's him.

934
00:52:57.539 --> 00:52:58.320
Do you know what I mean?

935
00:52:58.380 --> 00:53:00.119
Like Vanderburg doesn't fight back.

936
00:53:00.179 --> 00:53:03.420
He just says, we didn't know, how could we know?

937
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:04.199
How could we know?

938
00:53:04.260 --> 00:53:08.280
And he pushes back in the sense that, well, what do we do?

939
00:53:08.340 --> 00:53:10.559
We can't have 1000s of these things throwing me around here.

940
00:53:10.619 --> 00:53:11.340
What are we going to do?

941
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:14.159
And then, of course, we learn that it's going to work.

942
00:53:14.219 --> 00:53:15.900
You know, it'll work for them even better.

943
00:53:16.019 --> 00:53:16.619
Yeah.

944
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:23.280
They're so little because this is an overtly masculine show, the original series.

945
00:53:23.340 --> 00:53:26.639
There's so little for women watching it to kind of take off.

946
00:53:26.699 --> 00:53:31.380
But actually this, this, a woman could watch and buy into completely what this episode is about.

947
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:35.639
It's written and it's written by a black book, isn't it?

948
00:53:35.699 --> 00:53:36.599
It's written by Gene Coon.

949
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:38.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

950
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:42.239
Yeah, I should have kept him around, you know.

951
00:53:42.300 --> 00:53:43.559
Yeah.

952
00:53:46.619 --> 00:53:51.179
Yeah, so here he's coming up with a solution, the way that they can live together.

953
00:53:51.239 --> 00:54:02.820
Um, and of course, it all works, and it would be more profitable, even though there's no money in the future, um, uh, it would be a more profitable business, and uh, fortunately, it all works out well for everyone.

954
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:04.500
This is my favourite bear.

955
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.099
Kira, rainy day.

956
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:09.719
Help it.

957
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:15.900
He goes, I have to ship beam down a £100 of concrete.

958
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:17.460
I'll just shoved it in all the cranks.

959
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:19.440
Space concrete.

960
00:54:19.500 --> 00:54:20.940
Thermo concrete.

961
00:54:21.539 --> 00:54:25.199
Oh, I wonder what he's really got on his hands.

962
00:54:25.260 --> 00:54:27.300
It's probably like a mud pack or something, isn't it?

963
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:30.119
He just looks so happy.

964
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.360
You really have got to see all 3 of them at their best here.

965
00:54:36.420 --> 00:54:37.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

966
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:38.280
Yeah.

967
00:54:38.340 --> 00:54:38.820
Yeah.

968
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:45.300
We've spoken in the past about McCoy being, you know, this terrible racist in TOS at times.

969
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:49.920
Oh, here we go.

970
00:54:49.980 --> 00:54:50.579
Here we go.

971
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:51.900
So it's the humans thing.

972
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:58.619
You know, it's like, like he actually finds the horta, quite a relief after hanging out with all the humans.

973
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:03.480
He actually appreciates hanging out with the horta because she's very logical, which I think is.

974
00:55:03.539 --> 00:55:04.739
That's so funny isn't it?

975
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:06.539
Oh, soon as well.

976
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:09.059
Now, these end scenes with the gag.

977
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:14.039
It's very hit and miss, you know, sometimes they land, sometimes they don't. one is great.

978
00:55:14.460 --> 00:55:16.679
Yeah, I think it is pretty great.

979
00:55:16.739 --> 00:55:19.139
Oh, look, here we go.

980
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:20.280
The eggs have hatched.

981
00:55:20.340 --> 00:55:27.539
And now, Mr. Vanderberg is a proud... a 1000000000 duvet slime pizzas.

982
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:37.260
You people are going to be embarrassingly rich, he says. despite the fact that there's no money in the future.

983
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:39.659
No, that's right.

984
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:42.239
Well, we haven't quite landed there yet, have we?

985
00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:44.400
There's still Goldpress Latinum, I'm sure.

986
00:55:44.460 --> 00:55:45.900
Well, he said about the horse that?

987
00:55:45.900 --> 00:55:47.699
What's exactly what the hoarder said to me.

988
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:53.280
She found them as something. so great.

989
00:55:53.760 --> 00:56:03.480
That sort of weird bland smile that Shatner has on his face. like this very neutral, no reaction kind of look that he keeps giving Spock. is really funny.

990
00:56:03.539 --> 00:56:04.920
It's just really...

991
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:06.000
The way he delivers that line.

992
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:09.119
She found my ears the most attractive characteristic of all.

993
00:56:10.019 --> 00:56:12.360
She really liked those ears.

994
00:56:14.579 --> 00:56:19.440
It's a remarkably intelligent creature with impeccable taste, captain.

995
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:24.360
Oh, I love it.

996
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:28.380
I suspect you're becoming more and more human, Mr Spock.

997
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:30.360
That's right.

998
00:56:30.420 --> 00:56:32.940
Does he say I find no need for you to be insulting or something?

999
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:35.460
Stand in here, be it somewhere by you?

1000
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:36.659
That's okay.

1001
00:56:36.659 --> 00:56:42.000
And then we cut away before the laughter even hits, which is what they should do.

1002
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:43.440
We do get them smiley at whatever.

1003
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:48.599
There's a director's name. we salute you to the end of the episode.

1004
00:56:48.659 --> 00:56:49.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1005
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:50.639
Yeah, that was pretty good.

1006
00:56:50.699 --> 00:56:51.659
Oh my god.

1007
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:53.880
Well, it had all of our favourite things in there.

1008
00:56:53.940 --> 00:56:55.199
Lots of fun in to play.

1009
00:56:55.260 --> 00:56:56.460
A great message.

1010
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:59.340
Brilliant science fiction, a terrible monster.

1011
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:01.380
I mean, what more could you have?

1012
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:02.579
No, it's absolutely perfect.

1013
00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:06.420
I don't know why it's not people's, you know, number one Star Trek episode.

1014
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:07.440
It's absolutely great.

1015
00:57:07.500 --> 00:57:22.860
It's not, we're just getting that still from city at the edge of forever, on the edge of forever, where, you know, we shouldn't be pacifist because that means the fascist for wind, so we have to run over Joan Collins in a car.

1016
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:29.880
And I just kind of think, wow, that's actually really a depressing and deeply bleak and cynical view of the world.

1017
00:57:29.940 --> 00:57:38.099
But not here where we have the killer monster is actually just misunderstood and mistreated.

1018
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:47.579
And if everyone would just agree to cooperate and be nice to one another and overlook our individual differences, everything would be a lot better.

1019
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:50.039
And, you know, what's not to love about that?

1020
00:57:50.099 --> 00:57:53.579
I mean, it's utterly naive, but very optimistic.

1021
00:57:53.699 --> 00:57:55.559
Star Trek.

1022
00:57:55.619 --> 00:57:57.539
It's absolutely what I watch it for.

1023
00:57:57.659 --> 00:58:04.260
I do feel as if they thought they missed a trickier, though, when they didn't show all the fabulous little hoarder babies on the screen.

1024
00:58:04.380 --> 00:58:10.920
So when they got to season 2 and they did a triple episode, they said, right, we're going to fill the screen with 100 triple babies, you know?

1025
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:12.780
And so they did.

1026
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.719
Why do we ever have the hoarderback?

1027
00:58:15.780 --> 00:58:16.739
That would be great.

1028
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:17.699
But I guess...

1029
00:58:17.699 --> 00:58:19.320
Wow, it was a bit shit's role.

1030
00:58:19.380 --> 00:58:20.039
That's probably why.

1031
00:58:20.099 --> 00:58:21.300
Probably.

1032
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:25.079
But it plays its role in that little science fiction allegory, and I think that's perfect.

1033
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:27.420
What more are you gonna do with them?

1034
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:31.440
I suppose actually we do go to a lot of mining colony, so we could have done sequels.

1035
00:58:31.500 --> 00:58:33.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1036
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:35.760
Like the Hort, they take them with them to help them mine.

1037
00:58:35.820 --> 00:58:36.480
I don't know.

1038
00:58:36.539 --> 00:58:39.000
I just want to see the horn of babies.

1039
00:58:39.059 --> 00:58:42.059
Ships out to all the colonies, being exploited. you go.

1040
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:43.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1041
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:48.599
And then they turn crazy and kill everyone because they will do that when they're exploited, apparently, and good for them.

1042
00:58:48.659 --> 00:58:50.280
Although, you know what?

1043
00:58:50.340 --> 00:58:53.579
It was barely executed here in the 1960s.

1044
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:56.219
I dread to think what they would have done in the 1990s.

1045
00:58:58.019 --> 00:58:59.460
Yeah.

1046
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:04.139
Very much Beja caverns, I think, would have been the order of the day.

1047
00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:15.780
Alright, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to find out where we're going next.

1048
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:18.000
And I just say, Devil in the Dark.

1049
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:25.500
I did, and now we've watched Far Beyond the Stars, a fabulous Lower Decks episode, and a brilliant TOS episode.

1050
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:28.019
So we're on a run of absolute gyms.

1051
00:59:28.739 --> 00:59:32.519
I can, I know I can trust you to just ruin that now.

1052
00:59:33.539 --> 00:59:46.800
Well, I am going to 90s Treg, but given that it's my responsibility to come up with something terrible, I'm actually taking Deep Space 9 off the table for this one.

1053
00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:48.239
So it'll be...

1054
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:51.239
We were a little, I hate percentage wise. were we on DS9?

1055
00:59:51.300 --> 00:59:51.840
Yeah.

1056
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:54.360
But we're also a little head on good episodes.

1057
00:59:54.420 --> 00:59:59.579
And so it's just next, Jan, Voyager and enterprise in the mix this time.

1058
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:01.380
Yeah.

1059
01:00:01.380 --> 01:00:02.639
Probably about 7030.

1060
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:06.840
It might be a bad episode on a good day, I think.

1061
01:00:06.900 --> 01:00:07.920
All right.

1062
01:00:07.980 --> 01:00:09.719
Here goes.

1063
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:20.219
Enterprise, season three, episode one, the Zindi.

1064
01:00:20.340 --> 01:00:27.719
That okay, that might be worth doing, but we have just done a series 3 Enterprise episode.

1065
01:00:27.780 --> 01:00:30.539
So I think we should shake it up a bit more than that.

1066
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:32.340
Yeah, I think you're right.

1067
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:34.199
It was a few weeks ago now.

1068
01:00:34.260 --> 01:00:38.639
But yes, I am sort of interested in season three.

1069
01:00:38.699 --> 01:00:40.440
I just don't want to do an enterprise episode.

1070
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:43.860
Well, we might end up doing one.

1071
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:45.480
All right, let's see what else we can get.

1072
01:00:46.860 --> 01:00:48.719
I think it's this.

1073
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.900
I think it's this.

1074
01:00:52.679 --> 01:01:03.420
Your random Star Trek, the next generation episode is season one, episode 14, Angel one.

1075
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:04.500
Oh, no.

1076
01:01:04.500 --> 01:01:10.199
That's the one where Riker's got his shirt opened the whole episode, isn't it?

1077
01:01:10.260 --> 01:01:17.280
That was a formative sexual experience to me. and I won't have you disrespecting it.

1078
01:01:17.340 --> 01:01:19.139
Yeah, that Harry. chest.

1079
01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:22.619
I did spend quite a lot of time thinking about that.

1080
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:27.719
Famously one of the most sexist episodes. of Star Trek ever.

1081
01:01:27.780 --> 01:01:30.780
We've just done 1960s drag.

1082
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:34.199
Oh, yeah, well, that had a war that had a female in it?

1083
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:36.840
I mean, there was a time, a little while back.

1084
01:01:37.739 --> 01:01:41.639
We were crying out for early next generation and we've had a couple now, sir.

1085
01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:42.780
I think we should do it.

1086
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:44.820
Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.

1087
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:45.780
We definitely doing it.

1088
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:48.840
It gives me the chance to say the fabulous quote as well.

1089
01:01:48.900 --> 01:01:51.480
But will you still respect me in the morning?

1090
01:01:53.219 --> 01:01:55.739
Oh my god, I can't wait.

1091
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:07.619
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1092
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:13.679
We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1093
01:02:13.739 --> 01:02:19.320
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lahn.

1094
01:02:19.380 --> 01:02:24.900
This episode was recorded on the 4th of June 2024 and released on the 21st of June.

1095
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:29.099
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, Angel One.

1096
01:02:47.219 --> 01:02:49.260
You're recording on both places.

1097
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:51.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1098
01:02:52.019 --> 01:02:54.780
I think it's incredible.

1099
01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:56.460
And I think the writing is incredible.

1100
01:02:56.519 --> 01:03:02.940
You know, like, it's G.L. Coon, and it, like, I don't think it's, anyway, we can talk.

1101
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:04.139
I don't want to spoil my thing.

1102
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:05.699
I just think it's...

1103
01:03:05.699 --> 01:03:09.659
Star Trek. fucking great Star Trek. absolutely perfect.

1104
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:11.639
It's good Teddy, but it's great Star Trek.

1105
01:03:11.699 --> 01:03:13.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1106
01:03:13.500 --> 01:03:13.980
Yeah.

1107
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:16.440
You know that thing that we talked about?

1108
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:18.300
Oh, yeah, Nemo is incredible.

1109
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:29.699
But, you know, like every so often you'll watch an episode and you'll think, yeah, this is really barely competent television and, you know, like the start of, I mean, Devil in the Dark is a perfect example.

1110
01:03:29.820 --> 01:03:35.099
It's just garbage, you know, like it's made by people who don't know what they're doing, apparently for some reason.

1111
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:37.559
This week. everyone's forgotten how to make television.

1112
01:03:37.619 --> 01:03:38.940
This is devil in the dark.

1113
01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:40.739
You mean Wolf in the Folds?

1114
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:41.699
What did I mean?

1115
01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:43.019
Wolf in the fold.

1116
01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:44.579
See, they're very similar.

1117
01:03:44.579 --> 01:03:46.260
They definitely are more from the fold.

1118
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:47.519
It's very hard to tell them about.

1119
01:03:47.579 --> 01:03:51.599
But the other one is, um, uh, what was the one?

1120
01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:53.400
was that one again?

1121
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:56.219
yeah But the one...

1122
01:03:56.219 --> 01:04:00.900
The, the one that, um...

1123
01:04:00.900 --> 01:04:17.940
With the, the dicaronium vampire thing, which looked like it was going to be really shitty, but ended up being much less shitty initially, they're on the planet, the smelly vampire clown comes and kills everyone.

1124
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:20.639
Oh, gosh, obsession.

1125
01:04:20.699 --> 01:04:21.780
Obsession, obsession.

1126
01:04:22.260 --> 01:04:24.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1127
01:04:24.179 --> 01:04:27.719
Like, again, it starts and you just think, what the fuck is happening here?

1128
01:04:27.780 --> 01:04:28.619
Do you know what I mean?

1129
01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:30.300
This is late.

1130
01:04:30.300 --> 01:04:32.460
You'd think the money would be running out by now.

1131
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:34.800
But actually, I know there's the map pay thing.

1132
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:36.239
I know the horter is there.

1133
01:04:36.300 --> 01:04:38.699
But they really go for it.

1134
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:40.500
Yeah.

1135
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:44.159
Yeah, it's just a great set, great script.

1136
01:04:44.219 --> 01:04:48.179
And this speaks to us, right?

1137
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:49.980
You know, tunnels, monsters.

1138
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:52.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

1139
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:55.860
Lovely POV shots of the monster killing people.

1140
01:04:56.460 --> 01:05:00.119
Wonderful stuff. like proper horror movie stuff too.

1141
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:01.199
Like, do you know what I mean?

1142
01:05:01.260 --> 01:05:03.059
They're not stealing that off, Doctor Who.

1143
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:04.980
It's like horror movie trope, isn't it?

1144
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:08.460
Like where the thing rears up and in the camera, it's wonderful.

1145
01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:11.519
I wish you had just reared up him.

1146
01:05:12.780 --> 01:05:15.420
No, I like it when it arrives.

1147
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:21.360
It does remind me very much of the venom grubs, the way it moves around, you know, the person, I believe, on the skateboard.

1148
01:05:21.420 --> 01:05:28.380
It's the, it's the, um, guy under the duvet in the clause of axos.

1149
01:05:29.099 --> 01:05:32.039
Oh, like Galileo 7, right?

1150
01:05:32.099 --> 01:05:34.860
Galileo 70. kind of go, what is fucking going on here?

1151
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:36.840
That was like, that was terrible.

1152
01:05:36.900 --> 01:05:38.699
So what is it?

1153
01:05:38.699 --> 01:05:39.480
That might be the worst.

1154
01:05:39.539 --> 01:05:40.920
Is it the director?

1155
01:05:40.980 --> 01:05:44.340
Is it, everyone just goes, oh, this is a lame script.

1156
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:45.360
We won't even try.

1157
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:51.480
What determines, whether this is a competent bit of television or not?

1158
01:05:51.539 --> 01:05:52.739
Or whom gods destroy?

1159
01:05:52.860 --> 01:05:54.300
Yeah.

1160
01:05:54.360 --> 01:06:01.500
I think, I mean, I think that's competent, but just desperately unambitious and shitty, you know.

1161
01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:06.239
And I know they were trying to do a backdoor pilot, but do you remember how gorgeous a Simon Earth looked?

1162
01:06:06.300 --> 01:06:09.539
gorgeous sets and the location work and everything.

1163
01:06:09.780 --> 01:06:15.360
You know, and I don't even think we've done the best looking TOS episodes, yeah.

1164
01:06:15.420 --> 01:06:16.920
Yeah, awesome, really.

1165
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:21.000
Maybe a doomsday weapon.

1166
01:06:21.059 --> 01:06:22.260
Doomsday weapon.

1167
01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:24.059
No, doomsday machine. machine, yeah.

1168
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:25.440
More Doctor Who.

1169
01:06:25.619 --> 01:06:29.460
Talking about Doctor Do. But then that's just using the same sets.

1170
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:34.980
But just lighting them and shooting them in a more exciting...

1171
01:06:34.980 --> 01:06:36.059
Yeah, and well-performed.

1172
01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:36.840
This is Mark Daniels.

1173
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:41.699
This one is I don't know.

1174
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:43.679
Well, I'll keep an eye on the screen.

1175
01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:45.059
Don't worry, when we press player.

1176
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:46.559
Yeah, let's skip an eye out for that.

1177
01:06:46.619 --> 01:06:47.340
It probably is.

1178
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:49.980
It's Gene Al Coon, though.

1179
01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:51.239
So there's that.

1180
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:53.880
I just feel like in the 1st series.

1181
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:55.619
Well, I'll say it in the episode.

1182
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:58.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1183
01:06:58.380 --> 01:06:59.579
Yeah, let's do it.

1184
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:02.159
Because this will be longer and I go to bed after this.

1185
01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:15.300
Then wake up to the endless crushing grind that is my incredible job teaching Latin to well-behaved children.

1186
01:07:16.860 --> 01:07:18.659
That's it.

1187
01:07:18.659 --> 01:07:21.960
The kids are not a problem.

1188
01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:25.440
Like these, like working in mind, like these feel.

1189
01:07:25.500 --> 01:07:25.920
Right.

1190
01:07:25.980 --> 01:07:26.880
Okay.

1191
01:07:30.420 --> 01:07:31.260
Okay.

1192
01:07:31.980 --> 01:07:34.619
Hey, Joe. Hi.