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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So this week, we're back on board the Cerritos, which is an

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absolute pleasure.

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It's Star Trek Lower Decks series 3 episode one, which is called

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grounded, and it resolves the cliffhanger from last year, which

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saw Carol Freeman marched off her ship in front of the entire

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crew.

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I can't remember whether it was soon before or soon after Una got

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marched off her ship. in Star Trek, Straight Shit World, in that

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Cliffhanger, but it was a, a kind of bad few months for, uh, for

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the ladies.

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Starfleet command officers.

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Yeah, that's right.

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We saw our 60s, right?

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I didn't get into the pool there and go, right, there's too many

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smart ladies in these shows.

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That's right.

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Can you do me a favour?

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Can you remind me what happened in that last episode?

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Because I was sort of scratching at my brain watching this.

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And I can't recall.

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I absolutely can't remember.

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I can't remember.

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All I remember is that they had to take the kind of the outer hull

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off for some reason, which is why the Cerritos looks the way it

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does in this episode.

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So they've taken the hull off.

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I think there was some kind of space anomaly and they needed to

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reduce the weight, but I absolutely can't remember.

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And I don't...

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Planet blows up, doesn't it?

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At the end of it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Somewhere.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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It's not the PackLeds Planet.

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It's called PackLed Planet.

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That's what they call it.

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Of course they do.

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That's the name they do.

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Yeah, big, strong city is their capital city on Panacled Planet

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and it gets blown up, which is kind of hilarious.

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But fortunately, even if we can't remember last year's cliffhanger

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we are filled in very nicely by a newsreader, like just before the

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opening credits.

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It gives us a lot of detail.

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And if we watch the Chiron and stuff, there's a lot of news

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stories that are of interest to people who are fans of Star Trek

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the Next Generation. and a few other things as well.

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I could have done with that, you know, when I was watching through

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Picard, those heavily serialised shows where I couldn't figure out

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what was going on.

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There was a news reader at the start of every episode going

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breaking news.

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Captain Picard has been up to this last week.

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I would have been very helpful.

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Do you know, when we pulled this one out of the randomiser?

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I had an instant glow because I remember on 1st watch thinking to

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me, and I've always loved lower decks, but this is where it really

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clicked into place with me, and I understood all the dynamics

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really, really well.

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It's a wonderful episode for showing the family feel amongst the

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lower deckers going on this insane mission and this space rocket

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to try and save Captain Freeman and they just do it because they

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do it for Mariner because they absolutely love her.

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But there's stuff that leads into all their characters as well

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because there's crazy science fiction shit going on over there

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that gets Tendi all excited.

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And so there's lovely stuff going on amongst the regular group.

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But then it also really leans into what I think is the best thing

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about this show and that is Mariner's relationship with her

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mother.

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And she's doing all this because despite the fact that they're

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trying to tear 2 shades of hell out of each other on a regular

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occasion, like all the best mother-daughter relationships in

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television, they fucking love each other, and she'll go to heaven

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and earth ends to try and help her mum in this episode, which is

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why the rug pool at the end of the episode, which shows you an

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entire other episode has been playing out amongst the core cast.

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Yeah, with Tuvok. so funny And all we get to see, it's not even

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animation.

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It's just stills of this amazing episode that we've missed while

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we've been titting around in this bloody rocket.

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Oh, I just think this is lower decks firing on all cylinders

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because all the jokes aside, all the crazy plots aside.

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It's about the people, and this pushes that right to the front in

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a really, really touching way.

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It's been announced, I think, since we last did lower decks that

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the 5th series of lower decks is coming up later this year and

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that it's the last one that it will end after 5 series.

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And it's the sort of thing that they could always bring back.

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It's not like striking the sets means it's going to be expensive

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to remount or whatever, but it's going to kind of stop for the

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time being.

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And I have to say that I'm really going to miss it because I think

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it's wonderful and I absolutely love that core team of 4 people

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and particularly just on the last rewatch of this episode.

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I was just reminded how much I loved Handy and I don't know how

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many people's favourite character, she's not the 2 big ones

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Boimler or Mariner.

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You know, it's her and Rutherford or the other pair.

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But she is so great and she has such a great cartoon character

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voice and there's those little moments that she has where she has

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little moments of hysteria and stuff and she's so funny and so

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wonderful.

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Like her enthusiasm is just wonderful.

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It should be annoying.

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Boy, isn't it?

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She's just so great.

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I just love her so much.

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She might be my favourite character.

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You know what they could do?

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They could do a reverse.

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Remember when the series 3 ended and they said it was too

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expensive to make the sets.

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So they did the animated series.

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They might come back and say, well, to draw these people anymore.

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We'll just build sets and make live action lower decks, which I

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would be absolute.

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I don't think it's a bad call ending it after 5 seasons because I

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wonder if the joke could wear a bit thin if it went on and on and

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on.

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And it just means we've got 5 really consistent seasons of lower

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decks that we can cherish.

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And this is stuff I know you watch this over and over again where

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if you're having a tough day, you can just put on 25 minutes of

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these joyful characters in these insane situations and it puts a

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smile on your face.

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And it's Star Trek.

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You know, like I love Star Trek.

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You and I have talked about a lot of Star Trek now. episode number

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is this?

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Numbers, man.

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114?

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We talked about wasting our lives, just a few episodes back.

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And we know that every other Star Trek show that we talked about

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has consistency issues, shall we say?

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Yes, you know?

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We haven't done a bad lower decks.

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I'm not sure there is a bad lower decks.

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And that's that's something for this show to be proud of, I

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think.

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I think I think there are lesser and greater episodes that are

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more important episodes.

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There are funnier episodes.

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The peanut hamper, the 2nd episode was just an absolute joy.

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Why do we never roll that one?

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I always want that one to come.

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But yeah, just in terms of from beginning to end being a really

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good show, Bravo, lower decks.

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Yeah, it's pretty great.

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All right, I'm going to count us in.

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I'm going to prepare to laugh for 25 minutes, so anyone who

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doesn't like that sort of thing.

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Depart now.

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All right.

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Okay, here goes.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I was trying to think who my favourite character is when you said

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that then.

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I think Boimler might be my favourite character just because

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he's...

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He tries so hard.

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He gets the funniest line of this episode.

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It's absolutely my favourite moment I was roaring out loud.

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All right, now watch the ticket.

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This is Sylvia Ront, who is covering this thing.

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Admiral Jellicoe band Zebulon sisters from active duty starships.

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I'm not sure who they are, but there was Admiral Jellicoe getting

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a mention.

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There's Packled Planet.

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Solar Knights, Eclip, London Kings in game, one of EL as yet, well

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not sure what that means.

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No idea what that is, but there's a six-year-old Zactor, and the

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youngest to be crowned, Stratagema, uh, champion, grand Milestar.

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Strategma.

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Yeah, yeah, from I can't remember what it is.

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It's a P performance, isn't it?

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And that guy is his actor, the guy with the lumpy cheeks.

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And this country stampede, dozen teens injured rushing stage at

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Sonny Clemens concert.

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He is the guy who they unfreeze on board the Botany Bay in the

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neutral zone.

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Oh, my God.

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That is a deep dive.

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He goes on to have a massive country music career.

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Can I ask, what is the cat doctor's name?

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There's that bit there where they were in shades. and she's

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telling them to fuck off.

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But she just goes, wow.

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Oh, wait.

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So one of the problems with things being easy to replicate is that

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when Mariner loses her shit, she can just smash...

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They say true.

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Why do you keep having smashable things in your house?

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He goes, I don't know if I want it.

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Oh, she goes, why do you have this bridge here?

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People don't drive cars anymore.

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I like the bridge, don't you like the bridge?

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But have you ever noticed that before?

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Have you ever thought that?

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Watching the films?

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The original films?

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I mean, that is...

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Pointing out all those things about 90s trek than we never

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noticed.

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So what's interesting here.

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This is our 1st view, I think, of, is he called Bonamigo?

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Admiral Bonamigo, who is the...

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Uh, Buen amigo, Spanish is very good.

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He's the villain who has created the Texas class starships that

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play into the finale of this season.

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So he's actually a bad guy.

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Uh, and Mariners, uh, Father is played by Phil Lamar, who is a lot

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of people in um, Futurama, and he's actually a cartoon voice actor

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who, basically everything.

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Got A-less actors to do these roles, didn't they, in low days?

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But what they've done, what they haven't done is they haven't got

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just A-list actors who aren't good at, you know, cartoon comedy

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acting.

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Like, that's a definite skill.

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You know, just, you know, calling David Schwimmer's agent and

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getting him to play someone that's super boring, but you get

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people who are good at cartoon voices.

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And so these are proper cartoon voices where everyone's slightly

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childish, slightly saturated.

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You talked about Carol Freeman and the performance that Dawn Lewis

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does in that role.

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I mean she's great.

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They've got to be able to pace the dialogue as well, because it's

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so fast, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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But just slightly hiked.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Visually and orally in this show.

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Oh, we cut to a vineyard, which is a terrible rip on Picard

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obviously.

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And Boimless surrounded by these beautiful women that are

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effectively throwing themselves at him and he just keeps telling

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them to go kick the grapes.

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That's right.

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He keeps telling them to go away. keeps ignoring them.

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And it's, you know, those things, we saw those things watering

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Shadow Picard in Star Trek Picard.

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Like, it's not just a reference. the final episode.

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He's wearing the he's wearing the hat from all good things.

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He's another woman.

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Do you want to taste the sweetness of one bushel?

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No, the funniest one is the woman who goes, I'm covered in all

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this sticky juice.

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And he goes, I'll just go and go and hose yourself down.

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No, that's the funniest line.

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Because she says, can you help me get naked?

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And he says, hold yourself flattened down, Leanne.

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Like, it's so funny.

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So great.

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Yeah, he's always trying to fucking attract women on the surreal.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's not interested in these ones for some

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reason.

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Look at his face. so uninteresting.

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I mean, that would be my reaction if I'm honest.

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But I mean, it's also, it's also that Picard makes wine and his

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family makes raisins, which are like just the shittest thing

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ever.

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It's like you just take fruit, perfectly good fruit, and then

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shrivel it out until it's shrivelled up.

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Who thought of that?

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It's so bad.

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I hate raisins.

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They're shockingly bad.

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Yeah, dreadful.

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Oh, I do, you know.

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Oh, dude.

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Oh, bless you.

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Of course he's going to come along.

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Of course he is.

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He's our best friend.

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He's Leanne.

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It's coming.

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It's coming.

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So they've got to get to the Cerrito switches in DryDoc, but they

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don't know where it is, but obviously, obviously Rutherford's

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going to be able to help them find it.

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Um, and here, Brad, when I'm stoked in juice, and I need help

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getting naked.

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I can't just spray off with ice, Leanne.

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Fuck it's funny.

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Here we are, Cisco's.

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We haven't been here since.

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Oh, yes.

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Since Imogen is science.

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Image in the sand, yeah.

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It looks exactly the same in animation.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's got a dish of gumbo there.

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Joseph Cisco's fabulous gumbo.

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And he's wearing one of Jake Cisco's jump.

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I know it's not.

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It's exactly the same as the one who wears the purple with that

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dreadful pattern on it.

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It's so, isn't it?

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I love the fact there's an Andorian beyond there, just enjoying

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dinner with his lady friend.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's not Jenny.

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Jennifer.

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It does remind me.

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What was lovely about that set was all the foliage around, you

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know, making it feel a bit more.

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But just the warm light, too.

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I think he's wearing something that Jake wore as well, if memory

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alphas to be believed boiler is wearing something too.

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You see here where Marino waits to get her line in.

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She literally says she's been waiting outside the door to come in

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and say that line.

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I'll do that all the time. you know, wait for your moment.

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Make your entrance.

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Oh, catch yourself hot, white sauce.

321
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So, why not?

322
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And again, because Bradwood's a white guy.

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He just has one drop of it and he's like fainting and stuff and

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Marin is just pouring tons of it into her food.

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She's still pouring it.

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She has a little mouthful and she goes, oh, it's got a bit of a

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kick.

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Is she?

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So cute.

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The whole scene.

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Poor Boyemler is literally apoplectic there.

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Pouring there down his neck.

333
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So, this is strange.

334
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It's so good, isn't it?

335
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It's so much fun They're doing a little heist, you know, and

336
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they're defeated by the fact that the guy is just a sweetheart

337
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which is kind of adorable.

338
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Yeah.

339
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I love the fact that this massive espionage plot involving the Pac

340
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Meds is taking place at exactly the same time right now.

341
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You know, we're tittling around trying to nick this fairground

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ride.

343
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It's it's actually kind of good because Marin is wrong here, isn't

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she?

345
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That Starfleet does do the right thing.

346
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There is something about it.

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You would think normally a TV show that says no, just trust in the

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legal system.

349
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Everything's going to be fine.

350
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That's always wrong. isn't it?

351
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That's always wrong in every TV show.

352
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But in a Star Trek TV show, it can be right because this is a sort

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of, you know, utopia and these people are clever and stuff like

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that.

355
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Pre-programmed, though, because the 2nd he said, trust the system

356
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and I was like, no, they're going to do the Rona thing, you know.

357
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Mind you, maybe I've watched a few too many sort of discovery DS9s

358
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where Starfleet is not always as Lily White as it makes itself out

359
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to be.

360
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This fella, who looks like Santa Claus, with his little walking

361
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stick.

362
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He's in charge of all the old transporter pads.

363
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And the Joker's buffer buff.

364
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The Joker is that, I was just such a lovely old man.

365
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I would never hurt you.

366
00:16:13.860 --> 00:16:16.679
No, because they were going to knock him out, tie him up, and then

367
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use the transport.

368
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No way.

369
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He's like my grandpa.

370
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And then he goes, do you want a butterscotch?

371
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Just like April, old man.

372
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Very good.

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And then he crashed the car.

374
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There's an outfit.

375
00:16:29.820 --> 00:16:31.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

376
00:16:31.500 --> 00:16:32.519
Oh bless.

377
00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:39.840
He does look a bit like Santa Claus, did he?

378
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Yes.

379
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So he's the same guy who will go on to play Gavin later in the

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episode.

381
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Bobby Moynihan, who is also a comedian and a comic character.

382
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I used a joy with these cartoon series, isn't it?

383
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Obviously, your voice is very dextrous.

384
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You can play all these different roles.

385
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Not like an actor where your face is your face and yeah, yeah, yeah

386
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yeah.

387
00:17:02.460 --> 00:17:05.640
No, that is kind of fun, but they also do get like proper, you

388
00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:07.680
know, they get old Star Trek people.

389
00:17:07.740 --> 00:17:09.599
Obviously, James Cromwells in this episode.

390
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But they also just get comedians and stuff to be in it too, which

391
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is pretty great.

392
00:17:14.460 --> 00:17:17.759
Now, it is worth noting that we've heard about this pink field

393
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that's going to be surrounding the planet ever since the news at

394
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the start of the episode.

395
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Yeah.

396
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And now this lovely old man reminds us about it again.

397
00:17:26.940 --> 00:17:31.500
Now this, there is something about the music for 1st contact.

398
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Like, I almost choke up a little bit at this moment because the

399
00:17:34.859 --> 00:17:38.099
music for 1st contact just absolutely comes in.

400
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There's the statue of Zefron Cochrane that freaks Cochrane out, you

401
00:17:43.380 --> 00:17:47.279
know, where he runs away because Geordie's described the statue

402
00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:49.619
that's just over here at that point.

403
00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:51.059
So we actually get to see it.

404
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We get to see the bar with its famous one song jukebox because

405
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presumably the film only licensed that one song.

406
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So James Cromwell keeps playing it all the time in the film.

407
00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:04.680
The Vulcan ship that came down for 1st contact.

408
00:18:04.740 --> 00:18:06.960
They've turned into a ride covered in swings.

409
00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:11.400
I'm very often certain that it's just a replica.

410
00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.519
I mean, in the future, I hope this is true, you know, that they

411
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have real space shuttles going up, you know, for kids.

412
00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:19.019
Yeah, great fun.

413
00:18:20.339 --> 00:18:24.480
And he's James Cromwell on the on the tally. and I think

414
00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:27.539
Rutherford and Tandy have gone and bought themselves special James

415
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Cromwell hats as well.

416
00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:31.740
What are they eating?

417
00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:32.700
Are those churros?

418
00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:34.200
Juros, yeah.

419
00:18:34.259 --> 00:18:35.519
Yeah, they get them down quick.

420
00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:38.039
No, well, they have to.

421
00:18:38.099 --> 00:18:40.380
And that's part of the joke is, you know, Rutherford delivering

422
00:18:40.380 --> 00:18:43.380
this dialogue through his chewed guro.

423
00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:45.599
He's Gavin at the back.

424
00:18:45.660 --> 00:18:49.559
This thing in a minute is so true, this joke about this, um, 5th

425
00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:51.299
person that comes on the shuttle.

426
00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:53.339
It always happens on Rise for Me.

427
00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:55.619
I'm usually the one that's, okay, fine.

428
00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:58.319
I'll sit on my own and then I'll get some bloody loser sitting

429
00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:00.299
next to me vomiting.

430
00:19:03.180 --> 00:19:05.640
Do we see him again, this bloke?

431
00:19:05.700 --> 00:19:07.500
No, no, no.

432
00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:09.660
He just goes off into the galaxy at the end of the episode.

433
00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:12.180
Oh no, he's arrested, I think, at the end of the episode.

434
00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:12.599
That it.

435
00:19:12.660 --> 00:19:14.640
We do see him go off, look.

436
00:19:14.700 --> 00:19:20.339
James Cromwell's octagonal green CD player.

437
00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:21.839
Just fantastic.

438
00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:26.579
Oh, I love it when they start hijacking the show.

439
00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:28.200
That's like the enterprise.

440
00:19:28.259 --> 00:19:30.599
That's like the opening credits of the enterprise, that shot.

441
00:19:30.660 --> 00:19:32.099
That's just...

442
00:19:32.220 --> 00:19:35.579
Oh, and the song here kicks in and I'm just like, man, this is

443
00:19:35.579 --> 00:19:36.240
just the best time.

444
00:19:36.299 --> 00:19:38.519
Hanging out with these characters.

445
00:19:38.579 --> 00:19:40.079
Listening to rock music.

446
00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:41.099
We're in a rocket.

447
00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:41.579
Come on.

448
00:19:41.940 --> 00:19:47.339
But, you know, like just that 1st contact music, the one that they

449
00:19:47.339 --> 00:19:50.039
used at the end of Picard series 3 is so good.

450
00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:51.839
Like so incredibly good.

451
00:19:51.900 --> 00:19:55.680
Uh, you know, better than the original Star Trek, the Next

452
00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:57.480
Generation theme by a mile.

453
00:19:57.539 --> 00:19:59.220
I just found...

454
00:19:59.220 --> 00:20:00.539
You couldn't get much worse, you know?

455
00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:01.619
No, I know.

456
00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:03.720
We would have learned to love it.

457
00:20:03.779 --> 00:20:05.880
Had it been the UTSP theme shoot.

458
00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:07.259
I'm sure.

459
00:20:09.299 --> 00:20:12.359
He looks like a big baby, that kid, didn't he?

460
00:20:12.420 --> 00:20:13.619
I like these.

461
00:20:13.619 --> 00:20:15.720
The sales coming out in the rocket.

462
00:20:15.779 --> 00:20:16.559
Yeah.

463
00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:17.400
Yeah.

464
00:20:17.460 --> 00:20:18.779
Yeah, it's pretty good.

465
00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:21.720
I thought you should get hard on the technology, but that just

466
00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:22.259
looks great.

467
00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:24.539
Looks great, doesn't it?

468
00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:25.500
Look so good.

469
00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:26.880
All right.

470
00:20:26.940 --> 00:20:28.140
They're leaving Gavin behind.

471
00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:29.400
Here we go.

472
00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:32.819
To the Cerritos in Dry Dock.

473
00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:36.720
They all look the same, didn't they?

474
00:20:36.779 --> 00:20:39.660
Like a clawed hands coming down and grabbing the ship.

475
00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:41.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

476
00:20:41.220 --> 00:20:44.880
It's that McKinley station thing from Star Trek the Next

477
00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:45.779
Generation, isn't it?

478
00:20:46.140 --> 00:20:49.380
And they don't they don't deviate because it's something that we

479
00:20:49.380 --> 00:20:50.700
recognise as fans, you know?

480
00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:52.740
They could draw something fabulous.

481
00:20:53.220 --> 00:20:53.940
Why would they, you know?

482
00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:55.619
No, no, no, that's right.

483
00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:56.759
That's kind of part of the thing.

484
00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:01.019
I say, he's going to go off into space now, all on his own.

485
00:21:01.140 --> 00:21:02.940
Yep, yep.

486
00:21:03.059 --> 00:21:05.640
This is my ship now, he says.

487
00:21:05.700 --> 00:21:07.920
Geese Captain Gavin.

488
00:21:07.980 --> 00:21:10.440
Gavin the pilot, Gavin.

489
00:21:10.500 --> 00:21:12.299
I mean, well chosen.

490
00:21:12.660 --> 00:21:14.279
So good.

491
00:21:14.339 --> 00:21:15.599
You know any Gavins?

492
00:21:15.900 --> 00:21:18.599
No, not since primary school.

493
00:21:18.660 --> 00:21:22.440
I used to know Gavin and he made up a song called Chicken Legs.

494
00:21:22.619 --> 00:21:25.440
I'll never forget it my whole life but I won't sing it to you

495
00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:25.619
now.

496
00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:30.480
Here we go now.

497
00:21:31.019 --> 00:21:32.880
It's like Ocean's 11 with spaceships.

498
00:21:33.180 --> 00:21:35.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

499
00:21:35.099 --> 00:21:35.940
It's terribly cute.

500
00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:41.039
We just are about to get the bit where, uh, um, is it here?

501
00:21:41.099 --> 00:21:44.759
Boemler says that he's run out of purple hair dye and he can't let

502
00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:47.880
people know that the real colour of his hair is and then we switch

503
00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:48.599
to something else.

504
00:21:48.660 --> 00:21:50.819
So, it's always that sort of thing.

505
00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:53.700
Is his hair really purple and we do know that it's purple now

506
00:21:53.700 --> 00:21:55.259
because we've actually seen him on Star Trek.

507
00:21:55.380 --> 00:21:56.160
Do you know what?

508
00:21:56.700 --> 00:21:57.720
didn't they get it perfect?

509
00:21:57.779 --> 00:21:59.759
His hair in that episode...

510
00:22:01.559 --> 00:22:04.319
There was no mistaken who that was.

511
00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:08.400
Oh my goodness, that was so good.

512
00:22:08.460 --> 00:22:10.619
I can't wait for us to do that one, Nathan.

513
00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:12.180
I can't wait.

514
00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:13.200
Gee, it was enjoyable.

515
00:22:13.259 --> 00:22:14.819
It was just terrifically good.

516
00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:18.299
Yeah, and it's probably the only time we'll ever have live action

517
00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:19.200
lower decks.

518
00:22:19.259 --> 00:22:21.240
Oh, yeah, got it right.

519
00:22:21.299 --> 00:22:22.079
They got it right.

520
00:22:22.259 --> 00:22:24.180
Yeah, they really did.

521
00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:27.180
Oh, I like the bit in a minute.

522
00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:30.359
I'm not sure maybe it's just yet where she really starts panicking

523
00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:32.640
because she thinks she can't save her mum.

524
00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:35.940
And it all just bleeds through while she's really doing this.

525
00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:39.599
Yeah, she's angry to her point and then she just lets the emotion

526
00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:40.079
see through.

527
00:22:40.140 --> 00:22:41.279
Yeah.

528
00:22:42.059 --> 00:22:47.400
Also, there's that kind of we get a whole heap of cartoon violence

529
00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:53.099
and stuff because, you know, she's trying to rescue her mother and

530
00:22:53.099 --> 00:22:57.180
they're kind of trying to rescue her so she doesn't get in trouble

531
00:22:57.180 --> 00:22:58.799
for trying to rescue her mother.

532
00:22:58.859 --> 00:23:02.519
You know, they don't want her to take the rap for stealing the

533
00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:06.539
ship and sort of heading off to Klingon space or whatever.

534
00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:08.640
Um, it's, it's nice.

535
00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:13.259
You know, like it's silly and, you know, absolute sort of cartoony

536
00:23:13.259 --> 00:23:13.740
and things.

537
00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:17.819
But it just sells that relationship between everyone.

538
00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:24.119
But what I adore is, is a, um, God, I forget, I almost forget her

539
00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:27.299
mother's name, Freeman says, I love you for what you did for me.

540
00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:29.400
However, there are consequences.

541
00:23:29.460 --> 00:23:33.539
And then that leads into the next episode with it is a wonderful

542
00:23:33.539 --> 00:23:34.079
premise.

543
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:39.480
Well, you take the rest of the season, in fact. how they start to

544
00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:40.259
respect each other.

545
00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:41.519
It's just beautiful.

546
00:23:41.579 --> 00:23:42.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

547
00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:42.839
Yeah.

548
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:46.559
Oh, look how big they look on the screen.

549
00:23:46.619 --> 00:23:48.720
It reminds me of the Ferengi in the last outpost.

550
00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:54.660
I see, she's going to go off and do it herself, though.

551
00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:58.559
Oh, bless her.

552
00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:04.140
She is all noise and violence and all of that, but she really

553
00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:04.559
cares.

554
00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:07.319
And you know, I was getting a bit of a lump in my throat

555
00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:07.740
watching.

556
00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:10.019
And I'm like, this is absurd with these costume characters.

557
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:10.680
Yeah.

558
00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:12.119
Yeah, I agree.

559
00:24:12.180 --> 00:24:13.019
I was too.

560
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:15.720
I just thought the end of it was actually really sort of terribly

561
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:16.079
sweet.

562
00:24:16.140 --> 00:24:21.240
There's a couple of times in the run where I think it's pro, maybe

563
00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:23.339
it's moving a structure it gets. you know?

564
00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:24.900
But it's because you care about the people.

565
00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:26.579
Exactly.

566
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:27.539
Exactly.

567
00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:32.160
Even though it's sort of ridiculous It does lean into a

568
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:36.420
conversation that you and I have had many, many times about, you

569
00:24:36.420 --> 00:24:38.519
know, artificial people.

570
00:24:38.579 --> 00:24:42.480
Why are they any different from fleshy people and cartoon people?

571
00:24:42.539 --> 00:24:44.640
Why are they any different from live action people?

572
00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:47.700
It's it's, people in books.

573
00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:48.420
Do you know what I mean?

574
00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:51.420
Like people, like we care about the people in our media, you

575
00:24:51.420 --> 00:24:51.660
know?

576
00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:54.480
But do you think some people would write this off just because it

577
00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:56.220
is a cartoon, like Star Trek fans, I mean?

578
00:24:56.279 --> 00:24:58.019
because it's a comedy.

579
00:24:58.259 --> 00:25:01.799
Well, I think that's the other problem that it poses for Star Trek

580
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:08.940
fans is that because if they see Star Trek is depicting a coherent

581
00:25:08.940 --> 00:25:15.059
future world, then when very, very ridiculous things happen in

582
00:25:15.059 --> 00:25:17.400
that world, that makes the world ridiculous.

583
00:25:17.460 --> 00:25:18.900
Do you know what I mean?

584
00:25:19.019 --> 00:25:21.240
Oh, it makes the world bearable.

585
00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:23.759
Well, I think it makes the world better.

586
00:25:23.819 --> 00:25:24.660
Do you know what I mean?

587
00:25:24.779 --> 00:25:25.319
Like much better.

588
00:25:25.380 --> 00:25:27.119
It's a great thing.

589
00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:30.480
And, you know, it's not like there aren't plenty of ridiculous

590
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.119
things in live action Star Trek anyway.

591
00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:36.960
You know, that's part of the point. coherent anyway.

592
00:25:37.019 --> 00:25:39.480
We've been watching original Star Trek episodes that completely

593
00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:43.380
contradict things that are told in 90s trek and beyond.

594
00:25:43.380 --> 00:25:44.700
No.

595
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:48.839
So if Star Trek's a type of TV show and it is, and it's the type

596
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:52.680
of TV show that we like, it's actually quite fun to see Star Trek

597
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:53.880
do different genres.

598
00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:58.019
You know, we've talked about Deep Space 9 doing sitcoms or, you

599
00:25:58.019 --> 00:26:03.180
know, like heists or whatever and just out and out comedies as

600
00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:03.420
well.

601
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:05.700
You know, we've done comedies.

602
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:09.119
It's a surprisingly malleable format, isn't it?

603
00:26:09.180 --> 00:26:10.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

604
00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:14.279
But is it because this is an entire, this is an entire Star Trek

605
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:15.660
series as a comedy?

606
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:16.980
Outrageous.

607
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:17.819
Yeah, yeah.

608
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:18.779
Yeah.

609
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:24.420
And and I also think too, that makes a problem for people who like

610
00:26:24.420 --> 00:26:28.380
Strange New Worlds, because Strange New Worlds is quite Trad in a

611
00:26:28.380 --> 00:26:32.099
lot of ways, but it's not Trad, I think, in the way that some of

612
00:26:32.099 --> 00:26:33.660
the fans wanted it to be.

613
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:35.039
It's still very queer.

614
00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:42.119
There's still more women than men in the regular cast and... like

615
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:43.859
you know, it's not being made in the 60s.

616
00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:45.839
No, that's right.

617
00:26:45.900 --> 00:26:49.440
And, you know, it's topped and tailed with cartoon scenes with

618
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:53.940
Rutherford and Tandy at the beginning, and then with the crew of

619
00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:57.059
lower decks, you know, at the end.

620
00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:01.140
Even I realised even I had my limit, though, when those Klingons

621
00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:03.180
came up and started singing that boy band song.

622
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:05.160
I was like, 0 my god.

623
00:27:05.220 --> 00:27:07.079
That was Hammer.

624
00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:09.180
I've reached the end.

625
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:11.460
This is too much.

626
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:13.920
But yeah, no, that's just personal taste.

627
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:17.759
But there, that bit there where you just saw the tears in her eyes

628
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:19.200
and she broke down on the floor.

629
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:20.579
It's so, so sad.

630
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:25.019
Oh, that's right.

631
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:28.319
Of course, Tendi can pretend that they're doing a biological

632
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:30.119
survey. you know, it's all science, you know.

633
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:34.559
But when she takes over, she has that little moment of kind of

634
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:35.460
hysteria.

635
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:36.119
Do you know what I mean?

636
00:27:36.180 --> 00:27:38.940
That little sort of strange moment where she's does the sort of

637
00:27:38.940 --> 00:27:42.359
high voice slightly out of control thing, which I just think is so

638
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:42.900
funny.

639
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:44.460
It's one of my favourite things that she does.

640
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:46.380
I love it as well.

641
00:27:46.380 --> 00:27:47.400
Don't you love her look?

642
00:27:47.460 --> 00:27:49.740
She's got that sort of shape on me, not shaved, but it looks

643
00:27:49.740 --> 00:27:50.940
shaved at the back of her head.

644
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:54.539
She reminds me a bit of these, the con office, sorry, Strange New

645
00:27:54.539 --> 00:27:54.839
Worlds.

646
00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:55.619
What's her name?

647
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:57.000
Erica.

648
00:27:57.059 --> 00:27:58.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

649
00:27:58.259 --> 00:27:59.819
That sort of very, very cool looking.

650
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:04.319
Yeah, slightly it's slightly queer looking too, isn't it?

651
00:28:04.380 --> 00:28:10.619
This is taking this out of Elosium with all of these, you know, how

652
00:28:10.619 --> 00:28:11.160
do we say it?

653
00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:13.140
Oh, the things come to have sex with Voyager.

654
00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:16.140
These massive sperms that they're currently tangling with.

655
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:17.339
Well, that's what it is.

656
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:20.099
Well, they wouldn't say it in Voyager, you know, they yeah, they

657
00:28:20.099 --> 00:28:23.279
sticks up their butt, so they wouldn't just say, oh, it's a load

658
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:25.319
of cum, basically, you know.

659
00:28:25.380 --> 00:28:28.980
No, it's an orgy, isn't it, taking place on the Harlow

660
00:28:28.980 --> 00:28:29.819
Versaritos?

661
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:33.420
They've found, you know, they're reproducing, they've found carbon

662
00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:35.819
or something like that, and they're all just having sex on them

663
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:38.039
more explicit about it, and I like that.

664
00:28:38.099 --> 00:28:40.980
You know, we've loosened up a bit. in the intervening years.

665
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:44.519
I mean, look at the giant sperm tales coming around them.

666
00:28:44.579 --> 00:28:45.660
I know, I know.

667
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.700
I fucking love that cat doctor.

668
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:56.640
Look at her in Beverly Crusher's coat. so funny.

669
00:28:56.700 --> 00:28:59.940
Oh, yes, of course.

670
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:02.940
But I mean, the great thing about that too, is that Carol arrives

671
00:29:02.940 --> 00:29:04.079
to save Mariner.

672
00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:07.140
Yeah, here's the here's what we didn't see.

673
00:29:07.259 --> 00:29:10.500
Oh, look, that's a...

674
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:11.460
No who?

675
00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:17.819
It's Captain Bateson, Captain Bateson from Cause and Effect.

676
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:19.980
Section 31 on the Packers Planet.

677
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:21.480
Ah yeah.

678
00:29:21.539 --> 00:29:23.579
Faked evidence of Freeman.

679
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.460
There was actually a pack led, a space battle.

680
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.839
We missed all of this. in the Romulan.

681
00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:32.579
Oh, Tuvok doing a mind meld?

682
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:36.420
I mean, I'm not going to lie, Nathan.

683
00:29:36.539 --> 00:29:37.980
That episode looks amazing.

684
00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:41.880
But she says it was a huge reveal.

685
00:29:41.940 --> 00:29:42.839
Do you know what I mean?

686
00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:43.920
Because it was an episode.

687
00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:45.720
You know, that was the big reveal.

688
00:29:45.779 --> 00:29:48.180
That's how that's how Carol refers to it.

689
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:53.099
A classic pack-led Samaritan snare.

690
00:29:53.220 --> 00:29:55.559
I can't believe they said Samara.

691
00:29:58.619 --> 00:30:00.000
And then look at them all.

692
00:30:00.059 --> 00:30:02.400
You've got the whole crew standing there like at the end of Star

693
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.019
Wars, everyone applauding them.

694
00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:06.839
That's right.

695
00:30:07.019 --> 00:30:11.460
In fact, that's a really brilliant way of reinforcing the premise

696
00:30:11.460 --> 00:30:13.980
for the 1st episode of a new series as well.

697
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:18.240
This is what these guys get up to while a proper Star Trek is

698
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:21.299
happening, a proper Star Trek episode is happening. is the premise

699
00:30:21.299 --> 00:30:22.259
of the show, basically, isn't it?

700
00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:23.700
But in a wonderful visual gag.

701
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:28.140
That just makes you long to see the other episode as well.

702
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.480
You're never going to see it, all right?

703
00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:32.579
Tandy wasn't in the other episode.

704
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:34.019
We got the better deal.

705
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.480
I think they realised they were onto a good thing with this

706
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:39.779
because all of our core characters, the lower deckers are really

707
00:30:39.779 --> 00:30:43.380
wonderful, but I think they realised very quickly that actually

708
00:30:43.380 --> 00:30:46.079
the upper deckers were great characters as well.

709
00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:50.640
And so as the show goes on, we explore both sets of characters in

710
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:51.299
a great way.

711
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:56.039
Well, I mean, the 4 of them, aren't they, the 4 of them?

712
00:30:56.099 --> 00:31:02.220
So Freeman, Ransom, Shacks and Tana are all in the opening credits

713
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:04.259
like their names are in the opening credits.

714
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:08.519
So it's those 4 and our 4 lower deckers, isn't it?

715
00:31:08.579 --> 00:31:10.619
They're the 8 people whose names.

716
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:15.599
So it was, I think, always intended to be them, but yes, they were

717
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.359
in other rooms doing exciting things that our guys would never

718
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:19.200
find out about.

719
00:31:19.259 --> 00:31:23.339
I mean, I'll never forget the cat doctor and the sex episode where

720
00:31:23.339 --> 00:31:25.259
she was going around clawing at everybody.

721
00:31:25.500 --> 00:31:28.319
Do you remember Aaron Sharks?

722
00:31:28.380 --> 00:31:29.640
I don't know what they were getting up to.

723
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.000
What about the one where they were having sex in the holiday?

724
00:31:34.980 --> 00:31:37.500
There's a couple of them, actually.

725
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:40.920
One where Boimlet is moved into another crew quarters because he's

726
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:44.339
a lieutenant and...

727
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:46.500
You are missing out on all this fun.

728
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.140
So great.

729
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:51.420
Look at what good time we're having.

730
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.460
Come on, you could be having this time as well.

731
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:57.240
What is that ransom saying, I'm your mama now?

732
00:31:57.299 --> 00:31:59.099
I love...

733
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:00.119
I know I've said it.

734
00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:01.019
I love her performance.

735
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:04.019
I think the actress playing Freeman is so great.

736
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.799
Someone that sort of anchors it, you need someone that's serious

737
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.440
but it's still sort of playing it, like you said, in that cartoony

738
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:10.680
way.

739
00:32:10.740 --> 00:32:12.240
Yeah, yeah.

740
00:32:12.299 --> 00:32:13.319
Just slightly bigger.

741
00:32:13.380 --> 00:32:17.700
Okay, so Picard was trying to solve Fermat's last theorem in an

742
00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:25.380
episode of season two, I think, but then Fermat's last theorem has

743
00:32:25.380 --> 00:32:26.940
actually since been solved.

744
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:30.180
But he was still trying to solve it in the 23rd century for some

745
00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:30.539
reason.

746
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:36.900
I think they named the noons around Jupiter at one point in the

747
00:32:36.900 --> 00:32:40.079
80s as well, and since then, several 100,000 have been

748
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:40.500
discovered.

749
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:42.180
Don't worry about that.

750
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:47.039
Tobin Dax also tried, I think, to say to solve Fermat's last

751
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:47.700
theorem.

752
00:32:47.819 --> 00:32:50.579
It worth saying that the kid does look a bit Wesley Crusher-ish as

753
00:32:50.579 --> 00:32:50.759
well.

754
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:54.000
Dreadful haircut.

755
00:32:54.059 --> 00:32:57.779
And of course, we talked over Gavin being arrested by some people

756
00:32:57.779 --> 00:33:01.920
in a runabout as well, still going crazy and, you know, insisting

757
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:03.000
it's his ship, bless him.

758
00:33:03.059 --> 00:33:05.220
I do really love...

759
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:09.480
I do really love the fact that obviously Mari needs to be punished

760
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:13.140
for what she's done because she stole a shuttle, you know, broke

761
00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:15.720
lots of rules and didn't trust in the system and all of that.

762
00:33:15.779 --> 00:33:18.480
And they realise that we're your parents and you're never going to

763
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:19.019
listen to us.

764
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:20.759
We're in these authority roles for you.

765
00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:24.539
So then she hands him over to help me out.

766
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:25.559
Ransom?

767
00:33:25.619 --> 00:33:26.339
Ransom.

768
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:29.519
She goes, because we are going to take none of your shit.

769
00:33:29.579 --> 00:33:32.819
It's a great solution as well because those 2 have had a

770
00:33:32.819 --> 00:33:35.039
fracturous relationship ever since the 1st season.

771
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:36.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

772
00:33:36.420 --> 00:33:38.160
And it's really fun seeing them work together.

773
00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:39.420
It's really great.

774
00:33:39.420 --> 00:33:41.819
So it just promises more laughs to come.

775
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:43.440
I think that's wonderful.

776
00:33:43.500 --> 00:33:46.259
I think it's really, it's a far story.

777
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.079
So it doesn't hang around anywhere too long for you to get bored

778
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.900
but it just always puts the characters first.

779
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:53.819
And I think the best episodes are low.

780
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:58.680
I think the weaker ones or the the less good ones are the ones

781
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:02.220
where it's all sort of premise and there's just light character

782
00:34:02.220 --> 00:34:05.039
stuff going on, but these ones where you really get up close with

783
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:06.900
them and you see the bond between them.

784
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.300
That's the best of this show, I think, by a mile.

785
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:12.599
And that's absolutely what this one's about, isn't it?

786
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:16.440
It's about reestablishing those relationships, I think, after some

787
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:19.079
time off and I just think it's really terrific.

788
00:34:19.139 --> 00:34:20.760
Just bringing the crew back together.

789
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:27.239
Weirdly enough, given it's uh, a sequel to the last season, you

790
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.480
know, it's tied up all of those bits, because it did end on a

791
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.519
great cliffhanger series too with her being taken away.

792
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:33.179
Oh, yeah.

793
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:36.780
I think you could probably pick up the show here and quite happily

794
00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:40.019
understand exactly what lower decks is all about and just watch it

795
00:34:40.019 --> 00:34:40.800
from this point on.

796
00:34:40.860 --> 00:34:42.420
This was your, you know, your 1st episode.

797
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:43.320
Oh, for sure.

798
00:34:43.380 --> 00:34:43.980
Yeah, yeah.

799
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:45.360
And I think that's intention.

800
00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:48.900
And that bit at the end, you know, the snapshots of the other.

801
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.559
That's just them laying out the premise one more time, just in

802
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:53.639
case nobody was paying attention.

803
00:34:53.699 --> 00:34:55.019
Absolutely brilliant.

804
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:59.880
I have to say, Nathan, that, or I'm sure we'll do plenty of other

805
00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:04.380
Star Trek between now and the next time we do lower decks, but

806
00:35:04.380 --> 00:35:05.460
none of it will be as enjoyable.

807
00:35:05.699 --> 00:35:07.800
Yeah, I love it too.

808
00:35:14.699 --> 00:35:18.119
Well, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to work

809
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:19.800
out what we are doing next.

810
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:25.500
I chose this one because I have impeccable taste, but it's time

811
00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:29.760
for the rains of the randomiser to return to you.

812
00:35:29.820 --> 00:35:32.699
So let us know what you're going to pick.

813
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:38.519
It's been far too long since we last went on a journey with

814
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.199
Captain Kirk and Crew.

815
00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:42.239
We're heading back to the original series.

816
00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:45.420
Obviously, we just had great fun with Lower Decks, and we

817
00:35:45.420 --> 00:35:47.519
generally always have fun with TOS as well.

818
00:35:47.579 --> 00:35:50.460
So let's keep the thread of fun going.

819
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:52.079
Okay.

820
00:35:52.139 --> 00:35:53.760
Let's press the button.

821
00:35:53.820 --> 00:35:55.679
Oh, one we've already done.

822
00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:59.340
Season two, episode six, the superb doomsday machine.

823
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:00.840
Yep, that was great.

824
00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:02.099
One we've already done.

825
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:06.239
Season three, episode six, the Superb Spectre of the Garden.

826
00:36:06.300 --> 00:36:07.619
Oh, wow.

827
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:10.380
Okay.

828
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:12.000
Ooh, that's an early one.

829
00:36:12.059 --> 00:36:17.340
Season one, episode three, where no man has gone before.

830
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:22.860
So this is actually the 2nd pilot.

831
00:36:23.340 --> 00:36:25.079
Isn't it?

832
00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:27.659
No, the man trap's a 2nd pilot, isn't it?

833
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:33.119
No, the matchup's the 1st episode, but where no man has gone

834
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:39.000
before doesn't have McCoy in it, and it has Gary Mitchell, who has

835
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.940
been referenced recently, I think, in Discovery.

836
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.360
Um, so it's, it's different.

837
00:36:45.420 --> 00:36:49.559
It's not quite Star Trek as you remember it, we do get to see

838
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:53.639
Captain Kirk's Tombstone with James R.

839
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:54.480
Kirk on it.

840
00:36:54.539 --> 00:36:57.420
So it's before he was James Tiberius Kirk.

841
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:01.860
And it also features, does it feature the galactic barrier?

842
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.500
I think that's the episode where the galactic barrier comes from.

843
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:08.039
You know, I'm not sure I want to watch an episode without McCoy in

844
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:08.639
it, though, you know.

845
00:37:08.699 --> 00:37:10.679
The last couple we've done.

846
00:37:10.739 --> 00:37:12.179
Really haven't featured him much at all.

847
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:13.920
Yeah, it's strange.

848
00:37:13.980 --> 00:37:15.900
It's not quite Star Trek because you remember it.

849
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:20.340
I do remember the guy with the creepy powers, his eyes.

850
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.079
He was quite the scale.

851
00:37:22.139 --> 00:37:23.460
Charlie X, isn't it?

852
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:24.960
Oh, no, no, no, the wrong episode.

853
00:37:25.019 --> 00:37:27.599
You might be thinking of Charlie X. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

854
00:37:27.659 --> 00:37:29.219
Okay, let's press again then.

855
00:37:29.340 --> 00:37:31.440
Oh no, let's do this.

856
00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:32.519
Yeah, let's do this.

857
00:37:32.579 --> 00:37:34.500
I remember this being very well directed.

858
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.440
Season one, episode 25.

859
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:39.300
The Devil in the Dark.

860
00:37:39.420 --> 00:37:42.840
Oh, that's an absolute classic.

861
00:37:42.900 --> 00:37:44.219
It's really hang up.

862
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:45.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

863
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:50.639
It's proper Star Trek, too, in a really, you know, like sort of

864
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.820
this early on, but they actually nail what Star Trek's about in

865
00:37:53.820 --> 00:37:54.539
all sorts of ways.

866
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:55.619
I think it's really good.

867
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:56.820
I'd love to see it again.

868
00:37:56.940 --> 00:37:57.900
That's a great show.

869
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:01.320
They do some interesting innovations with the special effects on

870
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:01.980
that one as well.

871
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:07.500
Plus Leonard Nemoy, you know, telepathic contact with an alien.

872
00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:08.699
With a big rock.

873
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:09.599
It's brilliant.

874
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:12.300
Oh, let's do it.

875
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:14.099
Awesome, awesome.

876
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:14.880
That's brilliant.

877
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:16.139
Can't wait.

878
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:27.900
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

879
00:38:27.900 --> 00:38:28.980
and Nathan Bottomley.

880
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.519
We're online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find

881
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:35.340
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

882
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:39.119
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

883
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:40.800
composed by Cameron Lam.

884
00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:45.360
This episode was recorded on the 4th of June 2024 and released on

885
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:47.099
the 14th of June.

886
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:50.400
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the original series, The

887
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:51.360
Devil in the Dark.

888
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:15.059
Since we last recorded, discovery ended, which happened and was a

889
00:39:15.059 --> 00:39:17.340
thing, in a longer episode...

890
00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:21.599
And I saw, I did see snippets of the episode, you know, I just

891
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:25.019
watched a few bits to see, well, is it going to end in pure

892
00:39:25.019 --> 00:39:25.739
triumph?

893
00:39:25.739 --> 00:39:27.719
Now, did you watch the...?

894
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:29.039
Because they did this weird thing.

895
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:31.860
I watched the last 10 minutes. so they leap ahead.

896
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:38.699
But, and it's a weird, like, it's how you expect, like, it, it's

897
00:39:38.699 --> 00:39:42.539
it is an epilogue, you know, like, it's not really part of the

898
00:39:42.539 --> 00:39:46.320
previous episode, it does, like, the previous episode ends on the

899
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.900
sort of themes that you would expect original, like, you would

900
00:39:48.900 --> 00:39:51.059
expect discovery to end on because it's all about loving one

901
00:39:51.059 --> 00:39:52.320
another and blah, blah, blah.

902
00:39:52.380 --> 00:40:00.420
But, um, But, like, we'd had, like, O O and Debt, were barely in

903
00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:00.599
it.

904
00:40:00.659 --> 00:40:04.440
They're in an episode where they sort of travel back, they travel

905
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:08.039
in time to sort of random points in Discovery's history in a sort

906
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:10.800
of high concept time episode, and so they're obviously in that.

907
00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:12.960
But they're there to sell that it's the past.

908
00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:16.500
And, you know, the thing is that Discovery is the longest running

909
00:40:16.500 --> 00:40:19.500
Star Trek TV series.

910
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:21.719
What, in terms of how many years?

911
00:40:21.780 --> 00:40:23.400
Yeah Yeah.

912
00:40:23.460 --> 00:40:25.380
Certainly not in running.

913
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:25.980
No, no.

914
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:30.179
But because because of COVID and because of the rider's strike, it

915
00:40:30.179 --> 00:40:31.260
had that big gap.

916
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:34.800
And so clearly they have trouble getting people back for series

917
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:35.340
5.

918
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:40.800
And so they get a Dira and they get Tilly back full time, they

919
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:44.579
lose Saru, who is in a couple of episodes at the beginning and a

920
00:40:44.579 --> 00:40:46.199
couple of episodes at the end.

921
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:51.780
And, you know, we end series 5 proper on Saru and Tarina getting

922
00:40:51.780 --> 00:40:55.860
married, which is just absolutely adorable and a wonderful way to

923
00:40:55.860 --> 00:41:01.619
end. don't blame these actors getting other work in another...

924
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:03.960
They can't hang around forever waiting to make the last...

925
00:41:04.019 --> 00:41:04.500
No, exactly right.

926
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:06.599
And I think that they made the right decision.

927
00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:10.619
You know, that before it just stopped being quite the show that

928
00:41:10.619 --> 00:41:11.639
we'd been used to.

929
00:41:11.699 --> 00:41:14.340
They just sort of decided, we're going to have difficulty getting

930
00:41:14.340 --> 00:41:16.980
these people back regularly.

931
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:18.119
Let's just end it.

932
00:41:18.179 --> 00:41:22.559
And so what they do is they do that sort of 20 minute scene or 15

933
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.380
minute scene at the end where it's the future.

934
00:41:25.380 --> 00:41:32.639
And it, it's really, like I liked it quite a lot, you know, like

935
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:36.780
book, like just getting book and Michael together, which is nice.

936
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:41.579
You know, the season starts with them, sort of estranged, and

937
00:41:41.579 --> 00:41:44.760
getting back together in a nice way, and that was sort of sweet

938
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:48.059
and, you know, they're on a planet that looks a bit like Quaishon

939
00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:48.780
you know.

940
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:53.280
Um, and they've got a handsome son and stuff like that.

941
00:41:53.340 --> 00:42:00.059
But what they're doing is they're sending discovery off, uh, and

942
00:42:00.059 --> 00:42:03.900
you know, they re, they do it up so that it looks like it used

943
00:42:03.900 --> 00:42:04.139
to.

944
00:42:04.260 --> 00:42:05.039
Did you notice that?

945
00:42:05.099 --> 00:42:08.280
They're in space dog, like, you know, they were in this episode

946
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.840
and you see a scene of the dots rubbing the A off, you know, the

947
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:13.800
thing.

948
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:17.940
And so they make it look like it did in season 2 because they're

949
00:42:17.940 --> 00:42:24.059
dropping it off to prepare for the short trek calypso to happen.

950
00:42:24.420 --> 00:42:28.199
And I think the short track Calypso is the best of the short

951
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:28.860
tracks.

952
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:30.059
I think it's magnificent.

953
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:34.019
It's beautiful and sad and lyrical and it's a sort of romance

954
00:42:34.019 --> 00:42:40.559
between, um, I think it's called Tricky, like a man called Tricky

955
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:46.619
who has a wife and kid, but he's kind of travelling and Zora.

956
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:51.000
It's the 1st time we see Zora, and we know that it's the 31st

957
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:52.860
century or the 32nd century.

958
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:56.519
We know that the ship's deserted and suddenly the, it's the 1st

959
00:42:56.519 --> 00:42:57.719
time we see Zora.

960
00:42:57.780 --> 00:43:01.380
We see Zora later when the show goes into the future, but this

961
00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:04.980
short trek was made before the show ever went into the future.

962
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.059
Yeah, it's beautiful.

963
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:09.719
It's stunning.

964
00:43:09.780 --> 00:43:10.739
And they didn't need to do that.

965
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:13.559
They didn't need to kind of tie it up in that way.

966
00:43:14.099 --> 00:43:19.800
But it did give Michael a chance to say goodbye to Discovery, and

967
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.579
it just gave us the big group hug that, you know, that show was

968
00:43:23.579 --> 00:43:24.780
always going to end with.

969
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:27.900
With all those people back.

970
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:33.960
From what I've heard, because I know Mark Donaldson quite well.

971
00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:37.079
He does the Dr. Hoop podcast in the time lash and he writes for

972
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:41.400
screen rant, so he writes Star Trek reviews for an online

973
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:42.059
resource.

974
00:43:42.059 --> 00:43:45.599
And it's sort of I've been asking him because he's been watching

975
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:47.280
it and I've been obviously talking to you as well.

976
00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:51.780
And his sort of opinion was, it's been a good last year.

977
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.300
It's been solid.

978
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:59.400
But it hasn't been triumphant in the way that, say, Picard series

979
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:03.840
3 was, which was a huge last hurrah, you know, into the sunset.

980
00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:09.059
This was good telly and very watchable and you, like you said, you

981
00:44:09.059 --> 00:44:10.920
can clearly see the cars coming in and out.

982
00:44:12.900 --> 00:44:18.300
I just wonder if that's a sad note for a show that came in so

983
00:44:18.300 --> 00:44:23.940
willing to make ripples, you know, and be like, right, we're

984
00:44:23.940 --> 00:44:24.360
different.

985
00:44:24.420 --> 00:44:28.500
This is the Star Trek you're used to, and you might not like it

986
00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:31.500
but bloody hell, we're gonna, we're gonna shock your system a

987
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:31.739
bit.

988
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:33.840
I think that...

989
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:34.559
Am I wrong with that?

990
00:44:34.619 --> 00:44:37.860
I think that's exactly what I missed with it because like that's

991
00:44:37.860 --> 00:44:41.099
what I loved about Star Trek discovery when it 1st turned up.

992
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:43.920
It looked just absolutely fucking incredible.

993
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.159
You'd never seen Star Trek in the cinema or on television that

994
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:48.239
looked anything like it.

995
00:44:48.300 --> 00:44:49.320
It looked magnificent.

996
00:44:49.380 --> 00:44:51.239
It was taking risks.

997
00:44:51.300 --> 00:44:52.500
It was doing strange things.

998
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:56.039
It was telling the story from a completely different point of

999
00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:56.340
view.

1000
00:44:56.400 --> 00:45:00.000
It looked like it was a Star Trek series, but it was just a series

1001
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.500
set in the Star Trek universe.

1002
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:03.420
You know, we've made that distinction before.

1003
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:08.400
And then gradually it gets its kind of, it loses its edge in two

1004
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:12.059
which I think is a massive apology tour, and it says, we'll try

1005
00:45:12.059 --> 00:45:14.940
and be much more better behaved Star Trek.

1006
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.320
You know, we get Pike and his, you know, dad, space dad being, you

1007
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:21.539
know, making everyone be sensible and stuff like that.

1008
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:24.480
And then we go to the future.

1009
00:45:24.539 --> 00:45:30.659
And I think 3 is really good and weird in a good way, and they're

1010
00:45:30.659 --> 00:45:33.719
struggling to make this new show, but they've found a way of

1011
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:37.619
making it look even more visually distinct from any other Star

1012
00:45:37.619 --> 00:45:38.760
Trek we've ever seen.

1013
00:45:38.820 --> 00:45:41.880
It gives the chance for Michael to chill out as well.

1014
00:45:41.940 --> 00:45:43.860
Like all of that stuff is really great.

1015
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:46.619
Series 4 is a triumph.

1016
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:52.019
And 5 is we've learned how to make this now, and so it no longer

1017
00:45:52.019 --> 00:45:54.000
has the edge, I think, that it once had.

1018
00:45:54.059 --> 00:45:56.579
It's where TNG got, wasn't it?

1019
00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:02.880
Like we said, TNG started off being risky and bumpy and terrible

1020
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:03.840
Kenny.

1021
00:46:04.619 --> 00:46:08.820
But trying, trying lots of things, you know, and seeing precisely

1022
00:46:08.820 --> 00:46:09.420
why they don't work.

1023
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:09.840
Yeah.

1024
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:10.559
But Troy in.

1025
00:46:10.619 --> 00:46:15.239
And then and then 3 comes along and they're clearly they've

1026
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.119
learned how to make this now and they're producing great work and

1027
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:20.639
then eventually it gets to a point where it's like, okay, yeah

1028
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:21.960
we're making good telly.

1029
00:46:22.019 --> 00:46:23.699
Well, we ain't take those risks anymore.

1030
00:46:23.820 --> 00:46:25.440
We're not trying new things.

1031
00:46:25.500 --> 00:46:31.920
And I'm wondering if this is a good place to say goodbye before it

1032
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:36.000
just gets too safe because I think we're it's heading there.

1033
00:46:36.059 --> 00:46:37.139
Yeah I think so.

1034
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:40.500
Like, this is a sort of fairly standard quest with clues and stuff

1035
00:46:40.500 --> 00:46:40.980
like that.

1036
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:45.599
So it's a sort of, you know, in Doctor Who terms, it's like the

1037
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:47.340
key to time season.

1038
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:50.219
They're finding things.

1039
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:54.059
And I think the final conclusion that we come to is a fairly

1040
00:46:54.059 --> 00:46:55.199
predictable one.

1041
00:46:55.260 --> 00:47:00.420
And we get some really spectacular stuff, like just amazing

1042
00:47:00.420 --> 00:47:03.900
visuals in that final episode at the very beginning.

1043
00:47:04.139 --> 00:47:08.400
Yeah, when I was sort of skipping through it, I was going, yeah

1044
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:13.199
yeah, really trippy weird stuff, you've got 2 new characters who

1045
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:14.940
are quite good in Moll and Locke.

1046
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:18.900
You get the Breen as an adversary who are visually, really

1047
00:47:18.900 --> 00:47:20.460
spectacular and super interesting.

1048
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:22.920
They always pull them out in the last season, didn't they?

1049
00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:27.059
Yeah, we learn a lot more about the brain, you know, and we, you

1050
00:47:27.059 --> 00:47:29.099
know, we see a character without their helmet on.

1051
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:33.059
We learn what they look like for the 1st time without ruining

1052
00:47:33.059 --> 00:47:33.420
them.

1053
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:34.320
Do you know what I mean?

1054
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:35.280
without making them dumb.

1055
00:47:36.059 --> 00:47:39.900
One thing that really stood out to me watching, because I, you

1056
00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:41.820
know, was going to always going to watch the last scene.

1057
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:45.420
Because, and you know me, I'm not a massive DevoC of discovery.

1058
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:48.719
So watching that last season was never going to ruin my enjoyment

1059
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:49.500
watching the last season.

1060
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:55.079
And I, so I watched from when you, you see Michael in the future

1061
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:59.460
in the garden with all the red leagues around and all of that

1062
00:47:59.460 --> 00:48:00.599
right up until the end.

1063
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:04.440
And I was like, okay, so this show is ending where it began with

1064
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:06.119
its focus on Michael Burnham.

1065
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:10.079
And it really hasn't left that stance all the way through.

1066
00:48:10.139 --> 00:48:13.440
My issue is, obviously, you know I don't find her the most

1067
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:14.519
interesting of characters.

1068
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:19.380
I love the, I think she's a terrific actress, but I think some

1069
00:48:19.380 --> 00:48:23.880
mistakes were made along the way, um, with all the weepiness and

1070
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:24.360
all that.

1071
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:27.059
And I know you, yeah, she does have moments where she's very fun

1072
00:48:27.059 --> 00:48:30.179
and we've seen her in that wonderful episode where she was down on

1073
00:48:30.179 --> 00:48:33.239
a planet and having a laugh and when she's drugged to the eyeballs

1074
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:34.679
in series 3, episode one.

1075
00:48:34.739 --> 00:48:35.460
All very funny.

1076
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:42.840
Um, So I think, I basically think your reaction to discovery as a

1077
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:47.280
whole is your reaction to Michael Byrne as a character.

1078
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:49.260
See, for me, because it's her journey.

1079
00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:52.679
I don't think there's ever been a Star Trek show that has been so

1080
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:56.340
focussed on one show, one character from beginning to end.

1081
00:48:56.460 --> 00:48:58.139
It's a long move.

1082
00:48:58.199 --> 00:48:59.579
Maybe deep space nine.

1083
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:03.420
Although that's more of an ensemble, but you know, Discovery's an

1084
00:49:03.420 --> 00:49:04.199
ensemble as well.

1085
00:49:04.260 --> 00:49:08.400
And when Michael becomes the captain, she is a very collaborative

1086
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:13.320
captain who lets people do things and, you know, isn't threatened

1087
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.260
you know, like is collaborative, you know, I think she's really

1088
00:49:16.260 --> 00:49:16.559
good.

1089
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:21.420
I just think that Sanequa is so beautiful.

1090
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:26.820
Like, just if the show's about her and her face is in shot and the

1091
00:49:26.820 --> 00:49:30.360
smile, that smile and just the...

1092
00:49:30.420 --> 00:49:32.039
Even in that dreadful old age makeup.

1093
00:49:32.099 --> 00:49:33.000
She had gorgeous.

1094
00:49:33.059 --> 00:49:36.599
Oh, H makeup is actually surprisingly good. in high death.

1095
00:49:36.659 --> 00:49:41.579
It was subtle for once, but she's just so beautiful and so, so

1096
00:49:41.579 --> 00:49:42.659
charismatic.

1097
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:46.559
And then in real life, she's, if anything, even more stunning and

1098
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:48.000
just wonderful.

1099
00:49:48.059 --> 00:49:51.599
Like I just love her so much as an actress, I think she's really

1100
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:51.840
great.

1101
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.679
And yeah, we did have that problem with a lot of gloopy crying and

1102
00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.539
shit in series 2, but they did kind of read.

1103
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:01.679
Oh my god.

1104
00:50:01.739 --> 00:50:04.320
That's been a lot of creepy crime for a while.

1105
00:50:04.380 --> 00:50:05.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1106
00:50:05.099 --> 00:50:06.900
But fortunately, I saw a balance there.

1107
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.239
Series 2 was kind of the high points of it, I think.

1108
00:50:10.500 --> 00:50:12.900
But I just think she's...

1109
00:50:12.900 --> 00:50:13.800
I've got a theory, you know.

1110
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:16.440
I've got a theory they've presented her with one of those dreadful

1111
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:19.320
latex masks, you know, like the man in 2 short a seasons.

1112
00:50:19.380 --> 00:50:20.639
She went, I'm not wearing that.

1113
00:50:20.699 --> 00:50:21.599
Jesus Christ.

1114
00:50:21.659 --> 00:50:23.280
Just put a few wrinkles around me eyes.

1115
00:50:23.340 --> 00:50:24.119
I'm gorgeous.

1116
00:50:24.179 --> 00:50:26.940
That's just not how I'm going out in discovery.

1117
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:33.659
I think that old old age makeup has to be better now because the

1118
00:50:33.659 --> 00:50:37.679
cameras are so much less forgiving, you know, like...

1119
00:50:37.739 --> 00:50:39.659
And so you, it just has to be subtle.

1120
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:40.440
I thought it worked really well.

1121
00:50:40.500 --> 00:50:43.739
We still have seen some dreadful examples of Curtis when Shrek

1122
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:44.400
ain't that good?

1123
00:50:44.460 --> 00:50:46.440
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. they don't do it all.

1124
00:50:46.500 --> 00:50:47.159
But you know what?

1125
00:50:47.219 --> 00:50:51.059
I mean, even though Discovery, it's probably my least favourite

1126
00:50:51.059 --> 00:50:54.420
Star Trek show, animated series aside.

1127
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:57.000
Enterprise.

1128
00:50:57.059 --> 00:50:58.079
Yeah, yeah, enterprise.

1129
00:50:58.139 --> 00:51:01.320
No, probably my 2nd...

1130
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:08.760
But even I would say, I love the fact that it metamorphs every

1131
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:10.139
season into something new.

1132
00:51:10.260 --> 00:51:11.820
I think that's really refreshing.

1133
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:13.679
I think Tilly is wonderful.

1134
00:51:13.739 --> 00:51:16.800
I think Giorgio is one of the best things that ever happened to

1135
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:18.780
Star Trek. absolutely hilarious.

1136
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:22.440
I, you know, I love that dive into the alternative universe.

1137
00:51:22.500 --> 00:51:26.820
I thought it felt very refreshed when it went into the future and

1138
00:51:26.820 --> 00:51:30.420
that 1st half of series 3 where we're exploring all the races that

1139
00:51:30.420 --> 00:51:33.900
we know, but in a way that we don't know them was really great.

1140
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:35.940
The true episode there was awesome.

1141
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.760
The one on Saru's home planet in series two.

1142
00:51:38.820 --> 00:51:40.800
There's been some absolute standout episodes.

1143
00:51:40.860 --> 00:51:44.039
So even within a show that I've been less than impressed with.

1144
00:51:44.099 --> 00:51:47.340
I think there's gold in there.

1145
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:50.880
And it's worth celebrating.

1146
00:51:50.940 --> 00:51:51.360
Yeah.

1147
00:51:51.420 --> 00:51:53.880
And it's how they learn to make Star Trek, you know, how they

1148
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:55.619
learn to make Star Trek again.

1149
00:51:55.619 --> 00:51:58.079
And look at what came of it.

1150
00:51:58.139 --> 00:52:01.619
I mean, you know, Stranger Worlds is just spun off discovery

1151
00:52:01.619 --> 00:52:02.340
series too.

1152
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:07.800
The weakest season of discovery at least gave us Strange New World

1153
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:12.360
and that cast, Rebecca Romayne, you know, Ethan Peck, and

1154
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:16.380
Beautiful Anson Mount. you know, it's pretty pretty amazing.

1155
00:52:16.860 --> 00:52:20.760
Sacrificed the time we spent watching Discovery series 2.

1156
00:52:20.940 --> 00:52:25.019
Just for that scene where the gore ripped out of that blue man in

1157
00:52:25.019 --> 00:52:27.300
that fabulous...

1158
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:29.760
It was worth the sacrifice.

1159
00:52:29.820 --> 00:52:34.260
And I think, as Jonathan Frakes said in an interview this week, you

1160
00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:39.239
know, it's discovery and he's very clear on this.

1161
00:52:39.300 --> 00:52:39.900
He won't.

1162
00:52:40.019 --> 00:52:41.099
I am not taking any questions.

1163
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:44.219
Discovery reinvigorated.

1164
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:46.320
It set fire out of this franchise again.

1165
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:49.619
And look at everything that came out of it.

1166
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:54.360
Lower deck, prodigy, you know, if discovery had been a flop.

1167
00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:56.460
Yeah, then they wouldn't have been doing more.

1168
00:52:56.820 --> 00:52:59.940
They certainly wouldn't have been doing 5 shows at once.

1169
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1170
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:05.039
And he was there in the 2nd last episode, wheeling the camera

1171
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.559
around like an absolute fucking bastard.

1172
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:09.179
You would have been proud of him.

1173
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:12.119
So fucking annoying.