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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are for our sins in series one of Star Trek, the Next

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Generation, but I think it turns out this week that we've actually

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hit on a winner.

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I mean, above average, we should probably say, because the show

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still clearly isn't fully formed yet, and this is the 1st time we

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ever get to learn anything about wharf, and we're what?

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19 episodes into the series.

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And I still think there are the issues that you could point at, a

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lot of things, some very mannered performances from the regulars.

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And let's say a slightly slimmer plot than we would have later on

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in Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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But in terms of its execution, I was quite impressed with this and

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in terms of it not having moments where I wanted to crawl under

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the floor and die, as I do with a lot of season one episodes, that

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didn't happen once.

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So I'm calling it a pleasant surprise.

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Yeah, I think that's fair enough.

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So this is Heart of Glory, and it's series one, episode 20 of Star

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Trek, the Next Generation.

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The teleplay is by Maurice Hurley, who comes to us from the

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equaliser, I think, and goes on to do things like Baywatch and

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stuff.

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He's like a proper TV guy, not a popular man with the TNG cast

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though.

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Right.

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The man that took away the precious Gates McFadden from the rest

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of the regulars.

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I mean, Marina Service must have been looking over her shoulder.

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First Denise Crosby, Ben Gates moved out.

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Oh, they eliminated women in the future.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then it's directed by Rob Bowman, who goes on to have a sort

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of pretty serious career doing genre TV and stuff as well.

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He's the director they selected to do the 1st X-File movie when

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the X-Files was at its height.

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Right, you know?

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So he's somebody that goes on to deliver the goods and then some

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in terms of genre television.

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And I can see here as well.

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I can see here, I don't think he's delivering anything as

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sophisticated as he would later, but there's some really

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interesting choices in this that we'll talk about later, the

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action sequence at the end in engineering, the shooting of the

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damaged ship at the beginning and looking through Geordie's

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visor.

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It's like we said, with skin of evil, although this is much better

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than skin of evil.

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That there is a, let's just try it about season one that when you

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like you said, when there's a house style, they're like, no, no, we

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won't do that.

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We know we can do this, you know?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, there's a whole heap of things that will never happen

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again.

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And there are some things that seem like kind of dead ends or

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something like that, sort of cul-de-sacs, but generally speaking

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it doesn't embarrass anyone too much.

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And it's pretty enjoyable.

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I was pleasantly surprised.

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I've got a couple of quotes, not from memory alpha for once, but

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I've been on to Wikipedia, so, you know, take this veracity with a

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grain of salt, but um, about Maurice Hurley and about Rob Bowman.

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So writer and executive producer.

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Hurley thought the heart of glory was the closest experience he'd

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had on the show to directly place his philosophy into the script.

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He later credited fellow executive producer Rick Berman, so he's

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doing a bit of work here with helping to write the script for

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heart glory, saying, when I had a problem, I could go in and we

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could sit there, close the door, yell and scream, I'd pace, he'd

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make suggestions.

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The 2 of us made stories work in that room that had to be shot

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within a couple of days.

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We were under enormous time pressure and we were working hand in

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glove.

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We had a wonderful time.

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And on that show especially, meaning Heart of Glory.

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Right, okay.

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I think they're super proud of what they did here.

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And just a little bit of context to what Rob Bowman was thinking

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when directing this episode, 1st one he did.

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Um, no, is that a lie?

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I think he did data law as well.

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He did where no one has gone before.

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The battle, too short a season, data law, and then Heart of

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Glory.

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Three of those, some of the 3 best we've had so far, right?

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The battle.

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Yeah, I think the battle is very good.

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Where no one has gone before, which we really like.

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So the director, Rob Bowman, made bold decisions in designing the

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confrontation sequence.

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The scripted version showed the fight between wharf and chorus

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taking place entirely on the 1st deck of the engineering section

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but instead, Rob Byron thought, well, that's very boring.

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I'm not doing that.

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He had them fight on the upper deck using camera angles never

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before seen on the show, filmed vertical sequences in that part of

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the set.

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He also altered the script so that Conell needs to be hit by 3

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phaser blasts to make that more dramatic, and he used a steady cam

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for the 1st time in the show to film the scenes on the freighter

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to give a rough effect to the footage.

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So he's he is really thinking, how can we make this a bit more

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visually interesting than what we normally do?

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Man, oh man.

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I mean, I think he goes by the end of season three.

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And I think you can tell as well.

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Yeah, his last story, his last episode, his brothers in season

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four.

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Which is that's a very technically complex story too, isn't it?

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Three Brent Spiners in there, having to do all that as well.

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Crazy work.

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Yeah, I mean, I think you can sort of tell, come midseries 4 and

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onwards, the house starlers here and they have stopped

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experimenting like that.

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It's a shame, you know?

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It a shame.

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I feel like we should have had a few more Rob Bowmans and a few

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less Les Landows in the director's pool.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, I think that's fair.

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And that is always what's fun about going back and seeing series

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one and two, is seeing things that Star Trek never attempts again

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or stops doing.

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The bad thing about going back to series one or 2 is you have to

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watch episodes like Up the Long Ladder, the Royale.

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Oh, yeah, and Manhunt.

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But yeah, fortunately...

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We've sort of pulled back the string and the arrows hit gold for

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once.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, what do you think?

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Do you think we should go in?

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Let's do it.

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The 1st Klingon episode.

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Yes, yeah, yeah. that's kind of exciting Was it really clear on

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episodes in TOS?

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Like, obviously they were the bad guys in that.

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Yeah, so, I mean, there's essentially what, three Klingon episodes

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with the 3 main guys.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like the 3 Klingons who end up coming back on Deep Space Nine.

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So there are Klingon episodes, but the Klingon episodes have them

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as adversaries to the enterprise, and the episodes are not really

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bad examining being a Klingon and what it means to be a Klingon.

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And that is what happens.

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And certainly here, that's the focus, and that's something that

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stays with the Klingon episodes.

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The interesting thing is this is the 1st Klingon episode, but it's

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not anything that they go on to do, but it's not a 1000000 miles

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away from some of the themes that they end up addressing later.

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There's no part of this, though. you know, like while the time you

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get to redemption and things like that, they're doing these

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they're trying to stage these big sort of Shakespearean dramas in

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space, revenge tragedies and things like this.

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This is just, oh, the Klingons have turned up.

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And let's examine Warf a tiny bit.

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There's still not that much of that going on here.

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And let's just do some exciting stuff with them.

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Yeah, I think there is another thing too, which is that it does

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examine what has happened to the Klingons in between original Trek

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and Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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Um, and that's interesting, I think.

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As ever, I shall await your reading on that with baited breath.

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All right, let's go in.

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Oh, can of in?

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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And we're off.

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Ah, that shot.

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Who would have known that it would start with that shot?

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I sounded sarcastic then, didn't I?

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But I was being entirely serious, by the way.

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I think sarcasm is just my default setting.

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I think that this is curiously lacking in urgency this scene in

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season one.

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Really?

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Yeah, it's really flat, isn't it?

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They're all like something, they're all reacting as if something

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really major and interesting is happening.

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And Riker's going, should we separate a sorcerer?

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And it's kind of like, wait, what?

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What's going on?

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We've already spent the pocket for that, the one time we can do

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that.

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Sorry. right.

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But sir, are you sure?

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We could reuse the footage.

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No, no, no.

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Come on now.

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I wish everyone would sit up a bit, though.

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Those bloody chairs.

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Oh, those terrible chairs.

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Yeah, well they get rid of them.

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I think it's so the camera.

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So they're not blocking the view of the other people.

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Just looking at them lying back.

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Yeah.

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Possibly Romulan.

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Now we get a couple of mentions of Romulans in this because we are

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obviously awaiting the big Romulan return at the end of the

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season.

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Yeah, which is only a handful of episodes away.

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No, we've got to go through delight such as skin of evil yet

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though, before we get there.

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And conspiracy.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. pretty good.

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Yeah, so I don't really know what's happening.

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So with the neutral zone, obviously, and we're going to Yellow

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Alert for some reason, and then there's this vessel that we're

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sort of super interested in, and they're like the Talarians.

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So they're like the Tamarians, but just before them in the phone

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book.

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That's right. very sort of lame model there.

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You know, every time they say, I hate doing that.

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Every time they say like go to yellow alert, that red dwarf joke

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always just pops into my head.

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You mean it does it does mean changing the bulb.

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They would never do it on this show, though, would they?

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You see someone in the background screwing in the yellow button.

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Well, they don't even turn yellow lights on.

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I don't even know what yellow alert is.

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They all just sort of stand around there.

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At least, you know, on discovery when they go black alert.

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All of the lights get really suddenly incredibly dramatic.

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How many days they shoot the episodes over at this point?

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I'm going to guess at least a week.

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This is one of the good days for Michael Dawn's makeup because

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they've managed to make it look as if, you know, the forehead

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ridges are actually blended into his face.

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But there are some scenes later on in this where you can see the

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line crinkling up from the headpiece.

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Oh, do you think it might be the end of the day where it's all

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starting to sag?

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Quickly, it's slipping.

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Can we get this shot in, please?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And again, like, it's really funny to think of this as Michael

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because it's not at all what he lands on and what he ends up being

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like, is it?

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You think about last time we saw a big wharf episode when we did

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tacking into the wind.

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And how relaxed he was, you know?

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and how sophisticated that performance was compared to this. where

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he just sort of, he sort of says every line like this, doesn't

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he?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he doesn't get very interesting lines.

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I do like the we think this is a trap and we're going in any way

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like that's kind of interesting.

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And before, like, we do have this sort of strange B plot that is

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out of the way really quickly.

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It doesn't sort of interleave between the, you know, B and A

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plot.

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We't go back and forth between 2 plots.

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We basically land on this one Klingon plot.

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But before that, we get this away team thing where data, Riker and

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Geordie go on board the battress.

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I think that's just kidding time and until the Klingons come along

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because it doesn't really go anywhere.

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But I think what it's doing, and I think what this show wants to

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do a bit is give us some sense of what it's like on the enterprise

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or what it's like to do a mission.

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And so it's still establishing the premise at this stage rather

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than just going in and telling the story.

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And so that's why I like all this procedural stuff, I think, is

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kind of worth doing because it's sort of interesting.

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You know, they're kind of likely.

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But that is the blueprint later on, isn't it?

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We go through so many steamy ships by the end of series 7.

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Yeah, steamy ships. know what I mean.

274
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No, I know exactly what you mean.

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I was naked now, all right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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In fact, sad for marina service, you know, she's at home right now

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flicking through the script going, well, when am I going to

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appear?

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Where am I on?

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What about Will?

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What about Will Waheaton?

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He's not in this at all either.

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He gave such a stellar turn in conspiracy last week. you know, all

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those scenes on Starfleet Command.

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He needed a rest.

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They needed a little rest.

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Well, in fact, there are a few episodes in series one that

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Marina's not in.

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I think that like, you know, and that stops being a thing

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contractually, they kind of have to have them just about.

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God, they have to do some new model work, though.

293
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Well, that's new model work for, I think, the high definition

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versions.

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And then the old box standard enterprise shot just gets matted

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in.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think there's another reason why they're doing this at the

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beginning of the episode, though, and that is they've just had a

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cool idea.

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Let's look from Geordie La Force's visor.

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We haven't done that.

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Why haven't we done that?

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Let's get a funky psychedelic effect that we can do.

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And I love it.

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I think it's really great.

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I don't know why we don't do this more often.

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So eventually, I think what ends up happening with all of these

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characters may be with the exception of data is that they have

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high concept, single paragraph premises, you know, in the show

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Bible, and then we stop relying on those and haven't seen every

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Star Trek, doesn't it?

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And it's just the charm of the actor's performance, and we just

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know, Well, you know, it's, it's Levar.

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I mean...

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As exemplified last week with Jonathan Frakes in disaster.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. where it's just sort of Jonathan being chill, you

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know, and being like Jonathan and he's sort of rather wonderful.

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And so here we're exploring that premise, which becomes a, which

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is a big thing in series one, much more than later on where we

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kind of don't mention it all that often.

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Remember how it's kind of slightly surprising to hear them even

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mention it in the masterpiece society, where we have that

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conversation about Geordie having a disability.

326
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Well, yeah, this looks great, doesn't it?

327
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you know, it's touch and go.

328
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Remember the end of Skin of Evil where she was going old?

329
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Geordie, you see through the eyes of a poet.

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Oh, God.

331
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Please stop.

332
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Did you see there who was got a story credit?

333
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DC Fontana?

334
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

335
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Dorothy Fontana.

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A couple of times in series one and two.

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And she does write a couple of scripts, usually the worst ones

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with Armonis.

339
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I think she might have had a hand in well when the bowel breaks

340
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and code of honour.

341
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And she does a couple in the 1st season of DS9 as well.

342
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She writes the teleplay for the Dak's courtroom episode, which is

343
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pretty good.

344
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Oh wow, okay.

345
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Because sometimes I think, you know, sometimes people have a

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limited lifespan is kind of TV writers, you know, that doesn't

347
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tend to spend decades because they don't keep up in a way.

348
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Yeah, see, there's a weird parallel here, isn't there?

349
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Because at some point here, Picard says of Geordie, I never really

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understood him or I, you know, now I understand him a lot better

351
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having seen through his eyes.

352
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And like all this dialect where Geordie says, oh, doesn't everyone

353
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say that when they see data?

354
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He's got an aura.

355
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Yeah, he's an Android.

356
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They have auras, don't they?

357
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And, you know, like all of that sort of stuff.

358
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But then later on he's talking to...

359
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That's clearly not data they're shooting, by the way.

360
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No, I don't know what the fuck that is.

361
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Yeah, yeah, that's his stubble.

362
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But later on, he's saying to Riker. after he sees the Klingon

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death ceremony that Wharf participates in, he says it's like it

364
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was a man I'd never seen before or someone that I didn't know at

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all.

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And so, and so we're discovering something about Geordie here and

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we, this episode, more than having a plot.

368
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It has a plot, but it's not like, it's sort of slightly the hunted

369
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I was getting the hunted vibes from series very slightly.

370
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Yeah, very slightly.

371
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That's a better episode, I think.

372
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But, um, But it's about telling us about war, uh, wharf giving us

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a chance to learn about war.

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I love the line, the where he said, well, no, what I do is I focus

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in on something and I disregard the rest of the information. man

376
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what an exhausting way to see. that really does explain well what

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he goes through in order to see things.

378
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I'm looking at the SteadyCam work they're doing now in this pretty

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decent set.

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It's a large set that they're walking around.

381
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And it's so overlit though, isn't it?

382
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It's really overlaying.

383
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I love the lighting coming up through the floor, though.

384
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

385
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And in a minute, there's so much dry ice.

386
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They're all in silhouette.

387
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

388
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Well, when they get to the core, the warp core, and you can barely

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see it.

390
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I mean, Nathan, I only need to point you to collective and those

391
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yellow ball sets to remind her of how bad things get later on.

392
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

393
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Try pouring down, is it?

394
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Frank's just going, excuse me.

395
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I'm not a fucking Android, you know.

396
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No, it's great.

397
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And in a minute, it is it.

398
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They are shot from behind, completely in silhouette.

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And I sent you a picture of it.

400
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I thought that was a very moody shot.

401
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What do you think of the phasers?

402
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Oh, I love the big phases now.

403
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Oh, no, the tiny, little, tiny wee phases.

404
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Look at the small ones.

405
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

406
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So that's, yeah, look, the little tiny...

407
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I do have the big...

408
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They do later, the big Dustbusters.

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But they also have tiny mini ones that you can just hold with your

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thumb.

411
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Aren't they adorable?

412
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I want one.

413
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Yeah, whatever.

414
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That's the same job, I don't know why they need the lower ones.

415
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Well, it probably sort of kill you quite so solidly as the other

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one.

417
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Oh, no, the phaser rifles that you hate.

418
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You know, usually like the forcible ones.

419
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But it means you can sort of get, you know, look very dramatic

420
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holding it, you know, looking through the sides.

421
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They have no weight to them.

422
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That's why the Voyager ones are better.

423
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The Voyage ones are like big fuck off guns, you know.

424
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I don't think we've wasted our lives, you know, when on a Tuesday

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morning straight evening, we're discussing the various signs of

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phases over the years in Star Trek.

427
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I think we might have.

428
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This is episode 111.

429
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I mean, we've had longer conversations about carpet, all right?

430
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It's true, that's true.

431
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What's even more astonishing if people listen to this shit.

432
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Very entertaining.

433
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So, like, we, what are we, a quarter of the way in and we haven't

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even seen the Klingon.

435
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See, look now.

436
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How overlit that shot is.

437
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That's terrible.

438
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Look at that.

439
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Look at that. that is good.

440
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Like spectres.

441
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. like close encounters or something.

442
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It is very...

443
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At this point, we've got no hint.

444
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Or clue, have we, that it's going to be Klingons?

445
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It's a surprise when we go into the room.

446
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Yeah.

447
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Yeah, has Klingons been mentioned?

448
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I can't even remember because I know that, yeah, because Klingon

449
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weapons have been used to fire on the thing and they do discover

450
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that the battress has been fired on by Klingons, but they think

451
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it's the Ferengi with Klingon weapons.

452
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Oh, that's the story that Corus goes with, I think.

453
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I just think that does look like a dangerous, you know, unstable

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ship.

455
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I like it a lot.

456
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

457
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Even just the fact that they're sweating puts them in an

458
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environment, you know, like so often they just sort of stroll

459
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through these things barely affected by them, but they are

460
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sweating.

461
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I think there's something in the performance in later seasons

462
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where you can sort of sense, oh, we've done this.

463
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All right, let's just let's just get through the ship, you know?

464
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Yeah, but I think that's, I do think that that's this.

465
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You remember like early enterprise where they're clearly trying to

466
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go back to the idea that we can just have a story about an away

467
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mission, you know, that is very, you know, thin and and basic and

468
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we and procedural.

469
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And so here we're doing, like, we're about to meet them and we...

470
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Do you remember the big goodbye, you know?

471
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3rd of the episode is.

472
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The whole episode was about this fabulous new technology, the

473
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holodeck. yeah My god, says Picard.

474
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It felt so real, you know, like no one's ever been on it before.

475
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Now, I think that room looks great.

476
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All right.

477
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So this is Vaughan Armstrong. as Coris.

478
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He does a lot, doesn't he?

479
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He does.

480
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Now, I think that his performance is very 60s Klingon.

481
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It's very kind of, he's doing a sort of Michael Ansara voice.

482
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What do you mean?

483
00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:03.359
Yes, yeah.

484
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Yeah, I think he's absolutely playing it that way.

485
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And so that's not where we land with the Klingons where they're a

486
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little bit more growly and stuff.

487
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He's a slightly posher Klingon, isn't he?

488
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And his mate is super posh.

489
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Like, whatever his face. called Mel or something.

490
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You're right, you know.

491
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Look at the lighting here in this room.

492
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Now, this gets great.

493
00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:25.319
This is going to come out of alien or something like that.

494
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This is like movie nighting.

495
00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:28.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

496
00:22:28.259 --> 00:22:29.220
Well, just that black water.

497
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They're not quite there, are they?

498
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Although, the line's way better than, I'll keep saying it, what we

499
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get later on.

500
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

501
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Even this framing is quite good.

502
00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:44.160
So this guy is chorus in Heart of Glory, which is this episode.

503
00:22:44.220 --> 00:22:49.559
Um, he is in Deep Stace 9's past prologue as a prologue as a

504
00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:50.579
Cardassian.

505
00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:55.619
He is, I think he's a Romulan in Eye of the Needle.

506
00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:58.019
Oh, he's wonderful in that episode.

507
00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:00.960
Yeah, the one who's talking with Janebo through the wormhole.

508
00:23:01.019 --> 00:23:02.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

509
00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:08.039
He is another Cardassian, I think, in when it rains, and the dogs

510
00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:08.640
of war.

511
00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:10.980
He does 2 parts there.

512
00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:15.359
He's 2 of 9 in Voyages survival instinct.

513
00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:18.180
He's a Vedian in Fury.

514
00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:20.099
He's the Videan captain in Fury.

515
00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:23.759
He is a hirogen in flesh and blood.

516
00:23:23.819 --> 00:23:26.700
He's not shy of latex then, is he?

517
00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:28.140
He likes the latex.

518
00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:34.920
He's another Klingon in, um, in Endgame, in Voyager's Endgame.

519
00:23:34.980 --> 00:23:38.400
He's a Klingon captain in Enterprises sleeping dogs.

520
00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:43.619
He is a credassin in a night in Sick Bay where we've seen him.

521
00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:45.000
So we've seen him.

522
00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:46.440
We've seen him in a...

523
00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:47.579
There are those weird rituals.

524
00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:50.940
Yeah, and he's Captain Forrest.

525
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:55.200
I mean, Admiral Forrest in Enterprise, a recurring character in

526
00:23:55.200 --> 00:24:01.380
Enterprise, who gets killed, remember, in that 1st episode of the

527
00:24:01.380 --> 00:24:03.359
Vulcan...

528
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:05.220
Vulcan Embassy gets bombed?

529
00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:05.819
Yes.

530
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:06.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

531
00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:10.079
He's got the sort of face of somebody that's having deep

532
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:10.559
thoughts.

533
00:24:10.619 --> 00:24:14.819
He's sort of fat, his brow is always furrowed slightly, and he

534
00:24:14.819 --> 00:24:15.779
looks a little bit angry.

535
00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:20.640
In a sort of, he's got a sort of, you know, like he's not super

536
00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:23.220
you know, but he, I think he's pretty good looking guy.

537
00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:25.859
He's distinctive enough that in all those different makeups you

538
00:24:25.859 --> 00:24:26.579
can tell it's him.

539
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.819
Yeah, yeah, he's not too distinctive though, I think.

540
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:32.400
Well, and obviously he can just act.

541
00:24:32.460 --> 00:24:34.319
So that's why they keep asking him back.

542
00:24:34.380 --> 00:24:37.980
I think he's good in this Like, I think he is really properly.

543
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:40.859
I think there's a space for some 60s performances in TNG, you

544
00:24:40.859 --> 00:24:41.039
know?

545
00:24:41.099 --> 00:24:42.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

546
00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:44.220
We have a lot fun when we're watching TOS.

547
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:45.180
Exactly.

548
00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:48.779
Usually a lot more fun than we do when we're watching TNG.

549
00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:50.519
Exactly.

550
00:24:54.299 --> 00:24:58.799
Okay, so now, so I like the reaction shot of wharf as well when

551
00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:01.500
they say it's the Klingons. like suddenly wharfs in the episode

552
00:25:01.500 --> 00:25:01.740
you know?

553
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:03.599
Yeah, yeah.

554
00:25:03.660 --> 00:25:05.700
This is interesting as well. isn't it?

555
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:11.099
So, notice what they say where they say, are you the only Klingon

556
00:25:11.099 --> 00:25:13.619
in Starfleet?

557
00:25:13.619 --> 00:25:17.880
And he says, as far as I know, as if they're trying to hedge their

558
00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:18.480
bets.

559
00:25:18.539 --> 00:25:22.380
They don't want to definitely say that in case they want to do a

560
00:25:22.380 --> 00:25:24.960
story where there's another Klingon in Starfleet.

561
00:25:25.019 --> 00:25:28.500
So they haven't properly bedded down what his deal is.

562
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:30.000
You see Maurice Hurley there.

563
00:25:30.059 --> 00:25:33.539
He's got a cigar in his mouth and Rob Bowman's just like, not Rob

564
00:25:33.539 --> 00:25:34.079
Bowman.

565
00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:36.000
Sorry, um, who am I thinking of?

566
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:40.859
Uh, Herbert Wright, D.C. Fontana.

567
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:42.660
I said the quote at the beginning of the episode.

568
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:43.980
Oh, Burman.

569
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:45.180
Oh, but Berman.

570
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:46.200
Yeah, he's like, Berman?

571
00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:46.500
Yeah.

572
00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:48.240
The only Klingon in Starfleet?

573
00:25:48.299 --> 00:25:49.920
No, no, no. leave it ambiguous.

574
00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:52.500
All right, we might come back to it later.

575
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.460
Do you know, there is one thing this episode does extremely well

576
00:25:56.460 --> 00:25:59.700
because there are lots of tense moments, like that spaceship

577
00:25:59.700 --> 00:26:02.940
explosing, just them, them running through the smoky ship with a

578
00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:03.900
Klingon in his arms.

579
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:05.759
Oh, they're gonna beam out on time.

580
00:26:05.819 --> 00:26:07.440
They're fighting engineering.

581
00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:12.420
They are all perfect clips for shades of grey at the end of series

582
00:26:12.420 --> 00:26:12.839
two.

583
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:16.200
And I think that's where I remember most of these bits from

584
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:19.319
because I watched Shakes are great over and over again when it 1st

585
00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:19.619
came on.

586
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:24.180
Yeah, because I wanted to, I couldn't remember all the scenes.

587
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.059
I was trying to figure out where all the bits had come from, you

588
00:26:27.059 --> 00:26:27.299
know?

589
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:29.819
Scenes from conspiracy, skin of evil.

590
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:30.359
My God.

591
00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:31.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

592
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.740
Yeah, yeah, yeah. you know, did you did you know it was just

593
00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:35.039
then?

594
00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:38.640
Where he said, yes, the Ferengi attacked us.

595
00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:41.940
We're still doing that, Ferengi being a threat thing, aren't we, in

596
00:26:41.940 --> 00:26:42.420
season one?

597
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:43.200
Yeah, they're scary.

598
00:26:43.259 --> 00:26:44.039
Yeah, that's right.

599
00:26:44.099 --> 00:26:47.339
Even though we've seen the last outpost.

600
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:50.819
Oh gosh. when we get to that one.

601
00:26:52.019 --> 00:26:53.700
Awful.

602
00:26:53.700 --> 00:26:54.180
Yeah.

603
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:55.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

604
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:56.400
Yeah.

605
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:57.359
They do.

606
00:26:57.420 --> 00:26:59.700
I don't know when they land with the Frankiest comedy.

607
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:01.200
Is it Menage a Trois?

608
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:04.680
Is that the 1st one where they're properly?

609
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:05.640
holiday, maybe?

610
00:27:05.700 --> 00:27:07.859
No, it might be the price, actually.

611
00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:09.420
You're the one we did.

612
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:10.259
The wormhole one.

613
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:10.799
Yep.

614
00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:11.339
Yeah.

615
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:12.000
Yeah.

616
00:27:12.299 --> 00:27:16.140
Well, they said they're not, they're not really working as the big

617
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:16.980
big bad, you know?

618
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:23.640
No, but what's interesting here, I think, is like the decision to

619
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:27.720
make the Klingons our allies.

620
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:34.859
Like, Star Trek, the Next Generation happens before Star Trek six

621
00:27:34.859 --> 00:27:36.000
the undiscovered country.

622
00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:40.920
Yeah, because you've got Worf's great-grandfather or whatever is

623
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:41.339
in that.

624
00:27:41.339 --> 00:27:47.039
And it actually examines some similar themes to this episode, I

625
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:47.339
think.

626
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.380
But on the human side, doesn't it?

627
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.799
There's a, there's humans like Cartwright and the person played by

628
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:57.059
Renee or over Jean-Oir who gets cut from the, uh, from the whole

629
00:27:57.059 --> 00:27:57.420
film.

630
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:03.599
And they want to continue fighting the Klingons.

631
00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:05.819
They don't want peace with the Klingons.

632
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.339
I always wonder with the TOS movies.

633
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:13.680
They can't quite get out of their head that the Klingons aren't

634
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:14.279
the bad guys.

635
00:28:14.339 --> 00:28:17.640
So there's always a suggestion in those movies that the Klingons

636
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:18.420
are up to no good.

637
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:20.640
Whereas this rejects that completely.

638
00:28:21.539 --> 00:28:25.019
Well, it does in a way, doesn't it?

639
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:29.579
But it, like, and one of the things too, is this is season one and

640
00:28:29.579 --> 00:28:32.400
they don't know what they're going to do going forward, do they?

641
00:28:32.460 --> 00:28:35.880
Are they going to do sequels to episodes that they've done

642
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:36.599
before?

643
00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:39.119
Like, are we going to have a Klingon episode every year?

644
00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:40.619
Probably we are.

645
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:42.119
What are we going to do in that?

646
00:28:42.180 --> 00:28:45.539
Like, are we introducing themes that we're going to, like, it

647
00:28:45.539 --> 00:28:52.019
seems to become a little bit more kind of, like, conscious and

648
00:28:52.019 --> 00:28:56.940
planned when, I kind of say, Ron Moore, you do this.

649
00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:58.319
You know, this can be your thing.

650
00:28:58.380 --> 00:29:00.660
I think pillows did a lot of that.

651
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:02.220
Pillar came in and went, right.

652
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.079
What are our strengths of our writers?

653
00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:05.160
What can we do?

654
00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:07.559
Character focus and all that stuff that we've talked about

655
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:07.859
before?

656
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.700
Right now, I don't think they even know they've got a 2nd year, you

657
00:29:11.700 --> 00:29:11.880
know?

658
00:29:11.940 --> 00:29:14.640
So all everything they're doing at the moment is they're just sort

659
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:16.920
of throwing stuff in the air and saying, well, let's see if it

660
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:17.099
works.

661
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:21.539
So what we do is a story about what's happened to the Klingons

662
00:29:21.539 --> 00:29:25.859
because I think what they've done is they want this show to be

663
00:29:25.859 --> 00:29:31.559
about the Federation, and even though, you know, the Federation, Oh

664
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:35.160
there we go, the very 1st Klingon death ritual.

665
00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:36.779
Yeah, me too.

666
00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:38.579
It was sort of scary because it was so loud.

667
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:40.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

668
00:29:40.619 --> 00:29:42.299
They kind of tone it down a bit.

669
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:45.240
It's not quite as impressive in tacking into the weird.

670
00:29:45.299 --> 00:29:45.960
I think it would have worked.

671
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:46.920
He doesn't have a power on.

672
00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:52.019
It would have woken up just for a 2nd and gone, oh, baby, would

673
00:29:52.019 --> 00:29:53.460
have been so beautiful.

674
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.759
That's when that's when the death scream really hits.

675
00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:02.460
Yeah, but that's really good, isn't it?

676
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:04.859
Because the idea that they're warning the dead.

677
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:08.160
They're warning the people in the afterlife that a Klingon is on

678
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:08.759
their way.

679
00:30:08.819 --> 00:30:10.619
We were there a few weeks ago, right?

680
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

681
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:12.660
Exactly.

682
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:13.680
Exactly.

683
00:30:13.740 --> 00:30:15.240
Yep.

684
00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:20.220
So, so the one thing that they've decided to do is what they did

685
00:30:20.220 --> 00:30:26.759
in series 2 of, um, of the original Star Trek, whereas they put a

686
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:27.900
Russian on board.

687
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:32.220
So at this is anticipating the Cold War will end.

688
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:36.420
Russians and Americans will be allies, and so we have a Russian on

689
00:30:36.420 --> 00:30:37.140
board the ship.

690
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.559
And all of the rivalry, all of the Cold War rivalry is, all that

691
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:43.559
sort of cute stuff where Chekhov says, ah, you know, so-and-so

692
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:45.900
invented television or vodka rals or whatever.

693
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:49.259
And, and, you know, like that's, that's cute.

694
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.359
And that rivalry is sort of defanged.

695
00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:53.400
It doesn't get up in Star Trek.

696
00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:54.359
But yeah, it's cute.

697
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.299
But we do that again in Star Trek the Next Generation.

698
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.539
And we put a Klingon on board the ship, you know.

699
00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:06.180
And we make them allies, like explicitly allies.

700
00:31:06.299 --> 00:31:10.440
I think that's the one thing that truly separates this from TOS

701
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:13.859
because the rest of it is basically a rerun of TOS down to the

702
00:31:13.859 --> 00:31:14.519
terrible sets.

703
00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:18.420
I think having a visual market like that, a Klingon in the

704
00:31:18.420 --> 00:31:21.420
publicity pictures with the crew. says we're doing something

705
00:31:21.420 --> 00:31:21.779
different.

706
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:25.980
And so when I was a kid and I was watching this, and remember, I

707
00:31:25.980 --> 00:31:29.579
watched Star Trek the Next Generation kind of before it ended, so

708
00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:30.779
I didn't know how it ended.

709
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:35.400
And I always kind of assumed that maybe the Romulans, like it

710
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:40.859
would end with a similar thing, that one of our adversaries would

711
00:31:40.859 --> 00:31:44.519
become allies with us, because that seemed to be what the show was

712
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:45.299
sort of setting up.

713
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:50.759
And remember that, um, that the shock of yesterday's enterprise is

714
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:54.299
it's a version of the show, where they decided not to do that

715
00:31:54.299 --> 00:31:57.480
where they decided not to have a Klingon on board, where they

716
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:01.680
decided to continue making the Klingon to our enemies, and that's

717
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:02.160
wrong.

718
00:32:02.220 --> 00:32:05.220
I mean, it's wrong, but it was a bit more interesting.

719
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.359
One of the best episodes we did, yeah.

720
00:32:09.420 --> 00:32:10.740
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

721
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:17.759
So this, this, you cannot relent or repent or confess or abstain.

722
00:32:17.819 --> 00:32:22.619
So you've got, um, Chorus almost seducing wharf, yeah?

723
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:27.960
Like trying to explain to him what it is that he feel. and stuff.

724
00:32:28.859 --> 00:32:35.400
And and what's, I think what's interesting here is that he thinks

725
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:40.319
that he has to teach wharf what it is to be a Klingon.

726
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:44.759
Yeah, um, and that's what he's doing here.

727
00:32:44.819 --> 00:32:45.720
He's teaching him.

728
00:32:45.779 --> 00:32:47.279
This is why you feel what you feel.

729
00:32:47.339 --> 00:32:51.539
This is how you, you know, you are, you can't change, you know, all

730
00:32:51.539 --> 00:32:52.259
of this stuff.

731
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:56.460
Um, you know, he even says, you know, when you were a child, you

732
00:32:56.460 --> 00:33:00.240
would go out, you know, at night by yourself because no one

733
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:03.119
understood what what it was like to be a Klingon.

734
00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:07.380
Um, and he's right, you know, like he says all these things and

735
00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:08.940
those things end up being true.

736
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:11.519
But it is all changed a bit, isn't it?

737
00:33:11.579 --> 00:33:13.200
The human parents.

738
00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:15.240
Well, that's here.

739
00:33:15.299 --> 00:33:15.839
That's here.

740
00:33:15.900 --> 00:33:17.339
Like, he tells that story.

741
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:18.900
That's the story that he tells.

742
00:33:19.019 --> 00:33:22.619
He says that he has a foster brother on goal who we may meet later

743
00:33:22.619 --> 00:33:24.539
in, is it called Homeward?

744
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.000
But they haven't determined about his father, yeah, have they?

745
00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:31.319
Although that, no, that's packaged as a surprise, isn't it, later

746
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:31.680
on?

747
00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:32.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

748
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:33.000
Yeah.

749
00:33:33.059 --> 00:33:34.559
So we get Kidama here.

750
00:33:34.619 --> 00:33:37.140
We get the Rajenko's, but they're not mentioned by name.

751
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.839
We get that he has a foster brother, that they're farmers on the

752
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:40.619
planet Gold.

753
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:42.599
All of that stuff is mentioned.

754
00:33:42.660 --> 00:33:44.039
It was an act of kindness.

755
00:33:44.099 --> 00:33:49.680
He was a Starfleet officer who, uh, who, um, you know, brought me

756
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:51.660
up when I was the only survivor of Kidamar.

757
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:53.039
Rick Berman's right in this scene.

758
00:33:53.099 --> 00:33:55.140
And he goes, you've got that synopsis about Wolf, right?

759
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:56.039
Let's get it all in.

760
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:56.519
Yeah, yeah.

761
00:33:56.579 --> 00:33:57.420
Well, that's it.

762
00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:58.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

763
00:33:58.200 --> 00:33:59.400
So we've got to get it all in.

764
00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:00.240
We'll get it all in.

765
00:34:00.299 --> 00:34:00.960
And that's fine.

766
00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:03.180
That is fine and that is productive.

767
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:04.319
It goes places.

768
00:34:04.380 --> 00:34:05.279
It leads to things.

769
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:09.719
In a scene where 2 characters are trying to understand each other

770
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:10.320
as well.

771
00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:11.699
So it kind of works, you know?

772
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

773
00:34:13.860 --> 00:34:15.119
But what's super interesting?

774
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.440
It's not like Tashi going, oh, I was running from the rape gangs

775
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:23.639
and just declaring her backstory in a dreadfully melodramatic

776
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:23.880
way.

777
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:29.820
So what happens is, of course, that that's bookended by another

778
00:34:29.820 --> 00:34:34.619
speech where Worf tells Chorus what it is to be a Klingon at the

779
00:34:34.619 --> 00:34:34.920
end.

780
00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:38.099
And I think that's really properly called all along.

781
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:41.760
Worf had a better idea of what it meant to be a Klingon.

782
00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:48.420
Can I ask, then, if, uh, the idea here is to have us at peace with

783
00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:51.539
the Klingons and they really sort of lean into this.

784
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:55.139
Why then do they backtrack on that with Way of the Warrior?

785
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:55.980
Do you reckon?

786
00:34:56.340 --> 00:35:06.239
Um, Well, because this show, you know, is about the Federation

787
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.719
flagship going from place to place, solving space problems, doing

788
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:13.500
diplomatic things, helping, you know, like generally it's not a

789
00:35:13.500 --> 00:35:17.039
show about war or conflict that is a show about, you know, the

790
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:17.880
Federation.

791
00:35:17.940 --> 00:35:22.440
Um, making connections in a way.

792
00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:26.579
Um, and then Deep Space 9 does the most shocking thing.

793
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:29.639
It can imagine, which is reversing that, don't you think?

794
00:35:29.699 --> 00:35:32.639
Like, I think it's like this is the big thing that happens between

795
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:36.059
TOS and TNG and we're going to reverse it.

796
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:37.739
That's how serious things are.

797
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:41.219
And of course, it gives war for thing to do when he arrives on the

798
00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:41.519
show.

799
00:35:41.579 --> 00:35:46.320
So it's it's no coincidence that that happens when war for

800
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:46.860
rhymes.

801
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:48.719
I ask you so that I can tell you.

802
00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:51.420
Because I know they're behind the scenes.

803
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:51.900
Well, no, no.

804
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.659
The thing is, since they wanted a ratings boost and they wanted

805
00:35:54.659 --> 00:35:55.679
Michael Dawn on the show.

806
00:35:55.679 --> 00:36:00.300
And so they completely changed the direction their arcs were going

807
00:36:00.300 --> 00:36:04.739
into to give a reason for him to be on there as a Klingon expert

808
00:36:04.739 --> 00:36:06.420
because suddenly we're at all the Klingons.

809
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.860
But then they realise, my God, that is a great tagline for series

810
00:36:10.860 --> 00:36:14.159
4, episode one of DS9, and you know, we're at war with the

811
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:14.760
Klingons.

812
00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:18.239
Big, you know, special effects battle sequences and all of this.

813
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:20.699
So, I think it was a savvy move.

814
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:24.420
At that point, I mean, because by the end of TNG, these Klingon

815
00:36:24.420 --> 00:36:26.400
episodes get very dreary indeed.

816
00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:27.420
Yeah I agree.

817
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.059
So see how they shoot the screen?

818
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:33.119
Like they haven't quite landed on the idea.

819
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:33.719
Yeah.

820
00:36:33.780 --> 00:36:37.199
Yeah, because when you shoot the screen on the angle now, the

821
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:41.940
person on the screen is on the angle as well, as if it's sort of

822
00:36:41.940 --> 00:36:43.619
three-dimensional and they're looking out.

823
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:47.400
You know, it's flat, but, you know, you could have 2 actors facing

824
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:48.300
one another.

825
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:51.000
That was how they eventually land on shooting the screen.

826
00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:53.579
Um, and I think that's better.

827
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:58.320
You know, when people do sort of one-man dramatic pieces in a

828
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.440
theatre, you know, and they've just got black drapes around them, a

829
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:04.500
spotlight above and then a little bit of dry ass, that's exactly

830
00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:07.320
how that Klingon was shot then on the viewscreen, you know, like

831
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:08.280
he was in the stage play.

832
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:13.500
But it's how chorus, like when we saw the 3 Klingons on the, you

833
00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:15.719
know, they were before a black background as well.

834
00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:18.780
When he sits down, he goes, is my a dramatic spotlight?

835
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:19.260
Yeah, good.

836
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:19.559
Right.

837
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:20.099
Okay.

838
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:21.239
I'm on the screen.

839
00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:22.679
They don't want to build a set.

840
00:37:22.739 --> 00:37:25.380
They don't want to build a Klingon bridge set.

841
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:28.800
No, they're just fucking drama queens, you know?

842
00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:29.699
Yeah, yeah.

843
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:30.599
Maybe that's it.

844
00:37:30.659 --> 00:37:32.099
How dramatic do I look?

845
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:33.480
All right.

846
00:37:33.539 --> 00:37:34.800
So there are a lot of men.

847
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:36.000
Oh boy.

848
00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:37.199
I'm Tasha y'all.

849
00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:41.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah You remember when I said to you in Skin of Evil

850
00:37:41.460 --> 00:37:46.019
that this loathsome character was the worst thing about series one

851
00:37:46.019 --> 00:37:49.860
of TNG, and then you went on to list all the other characters as

852
00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:52.920
well. and saying they're all equally to blame.

853
00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:58.199
I feel this scene does sort of exemplify just how bad it is.

854
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.260
And it's not Denise Crosby's fault.

855
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:02.880
We saw in yesterday's Enterprise.

856
00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:05.280
She absolutely can deliver good work.

857
00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:06.900
Yeah, yeah.

858
00:38:06.900 --> 00:38:09.239
When they give her good things to do, but they just make her so

859
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:09.960
over the top.

860
00:38:10.019 --> 00:38:12.780
She reacts so medramatically to everything.

861
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:13.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

862
00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:15.480
You know, this little girl comes out.

863
00:38:15.539 --> 00:38:17.400
She's like, go back.

864
00:38:17.460 --> 00:38:19.500
And then the Klingon picks her up.

865
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:23.099
I'm not entirely sure why, if I'm honest, but her 1st reaction is

866
00:38:23.099 --> 00:38:24.179
threatening her.

867
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:25.440
I don't think he is.

868
00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:28.920
Well, he's not holding her in a especially threatening way, is

869
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:29.159
he?

870
00:38:29.219 --> 00:38:32.639
Well, I don't know what the script wants, but this happens

871
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:38.880
immediately after the reveal that they're wanted Kleon criminals

872
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:43.800
and renegades, um, and that they've, you know, killed everyone.

873
00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:44.880
Look at that woman's hair.

874
00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:46.440
Look at the mother's hair.

875
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.320
I've got off lightly in the hairdressing department.

876
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:54.239
She's so, period.

877
00:38:54.300 --> 00:38:55.079
It's wonderful.

878
00:38:55.139 --> 00:38:57.840
She just looks so fabulously late 80s.

879
00:38:57.900 --> 00:39:01.139
The 1st reaction is to call the bridge and go, we've got a hostage

880
00:39:01.139 --> 00:39:03.900
situation here, captain, just after he picks her up.

881
00:39:04.019 --> 00:39:06.840
Yeah, yeah, but they've come to arrest them.

882
00:39:06.900 --> 00:39:08.400
I know, put them in...

883
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:09.719
Hostage drama 101.

884
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:13.440
You know, do not exacerbate the situation. is exactly what she's

885
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:13.619
doing.

886
00:39:13.980 --> 00:39:15.840
Yeah, yeah.

887
00:39:15.900 --> 00:39:19.019
Well, she goes, I thought we might have had a problem for a moment

888
00:39:19.019 --> 00:39:20.460
and Wolf goes, oh.

889
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:22.199
He's me in this scene.

890
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.500
Well, that's kind of interesting, isn't it?

891
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:26.940
Because he's sort of underplaying it.

892
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:28.079
There's nothing very much here.

893
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:32.400
But people do start to be a bit weirdly racist about him, and I

894
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:35.940
don't, like, around him, and I'm not sure whether that's

895
00:39:35.940 --> 00:39:38.639
intentional, and certainly you get that with Tasha there, and I do

896
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:43.199
wonder that Pecan's reaction to the death scream is a bit like

897
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:43.559
that too.

898
00:39:43.619 --> 00:39:47.820
It's not, they're not sophisticated enough to make it subtle.

899
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:49.920
Oh, it's all a bit in your face.

900
00:39:49.980 --> 00:39:54.960
It's actually done better in season 7 of DS9 Chimaera.

901
00:39:55.019 --> 00:39:57.239
Do you remember when that other changing comes onto the one of the

902
00:39:57.239 --> 00:39:57.599
100s?

903
00:39:57.599 --> 00:39:58.559
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

904
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:00.900
And he's behaving in appalling ways.

905
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:05.639
And suddenly everybody's aware, oh, actually Odo isn't like us, but

906
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:09.119
it's all done subtly with body language and things like that, you

907
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:09.360
know.

908
00:40:09.420 --> 00:40:12.000
They're just better writers.

909
00:40:12.059 --> 00:40:13.500
That's that's the difference.

910
00:40:13.619 --> 00:40:14.280
They're better right.

911
00:40:14.340 --> 00:40:17.699
Well, they've got better over the years too, doing Star Trek on

912
00:40:17.699 --> 00:40:18.599
television, I think.

913
00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:20.940
So we don't have the brig yet.

914
00:40:21.059 --> 00:40:24.059
No, where do we put people then, in their quarters?

915
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:29.820
No, so it's called security, but it's not the bridge set, and it

916
00:40:29.820 --> 00:40:33.179
just seems to, it's not the brig set, and it just seems to give

917
00:40:33.179 --> 00:40:37.139
onto a corridor, you know, just like a nondescript corridor.

918
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:39.719
And so when they escape, there's, you know, they just head off

919
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:41.099
into an enterprise corridor.

920
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:45.900
The brig said, I don't think it's shown until the hunted.

921
00:40:46.619 --> 00:40:49.260
Oh, as late as that, season three.

922
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:51.119
I think so.

923
00:40:51.179 --> 00:40:52.440
I think so.

924
00:40:52.500 --> 00:40:55.980
Have we gone past a bit yet where Tashia is standing at the

925
00:40:55.980 --> 00:40:59.880
console going, sir, shall I go and help them out or shall I stay

926
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:00.780
here at my console?

927
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:02.760
No, I think that's a bit later.

928
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:04.679
I don't think I...

929
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:06.119
Should I do security?

930
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:08.400
Am I doing security or am I doing tactical?

931
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:10.920
I'm the only person that can look at these blobs on this console

932
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:15.059
or can these 3 people behind me doing nothing, do that instead?

933
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:20.760
I don't know why they can't pick them up on the ship and transport

934
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:22.679
them now.

935
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.500
Can they transport them from inside the thing?

936
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:26.460
Do you know what?

937
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:28.380
They're so stiff.

938
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:32.820
Look at frakes and look at uh, Patrick Stewart.

939
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:33.239
Yeah, yeah.

940
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:36.480
Like, just, I mean, that is one thing that improves later on, is

941
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:40.139
they're just more relaxed in those uniforms in those sets.

942
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:46.079
I think I like this bit, though, because, you know, like he's

943
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:48.719
already been expressing reservations, but God's been expressing

944
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:51.840
reservations about, oh yeah, look at that makeup there.

945
00:41:51.900 --> 00:41:53.280
Like you can see...

946
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:54.059
No, there's some clothes.

947
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:56.639
There's some close-ups where you can really see it slipping down

948
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:57.300
but the line.

949
00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:57.960
Yeah, yeah.

950
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:03.360
But, you know, like, and Picard just says, yes, you can speak.

951
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:08.340
And it, like this is more than he said, isn't it, in any of the

952
00:42:08.340 --> 00:42:10.079
kind of 19 previous episodes?

953
00:42:10.139 --> 00:42:14.579
Yes, he just sort of stands there, cops all going, in a few

954
00:42:14.579 --> 00:42:14.880
episodes.

955
00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:15.840
Yeah, yeah.

956
00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:16.559
Or being wrong.

957
00:42:16.619 --> 00:42:20.039
But I don't think they really know what to do with him for quite

958
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:20.519
some time.

959
00:42:20.579 --> 00:42:24.599
You know, we've had this great idea of having to Klingon on the

960
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:24.840
ship.

961
00:42:24.900 --> 00:42:27.780
But, you know, if we've got an action scene, we'll throw him in

962
00:42:27.780 --> 00:42:28.739
that until we figure him out.

963
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:33.239
There is that wonderful thing.

964
00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:36.960
Remember that scene in Data Law, where he's in the lift with Law

965
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:38.579
who beats the shit out of him?

966
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:39.659
Oh, really?

967
00:42:39.659 --> 00:42:41.699
It's unforgettable.

968
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:42.960
Oh wow, I say it's unforgettable.

969
00:42:43.019 --> 00:42:44.579
You've forgotten about it. can't remember it.

970
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:49.980
Come on now, you've been talking too long. need a bit of action.

971
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:52.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

972
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.920
I like this conversation though, and I do like this guy.

973
00:42:55.980 --> 00:43:00.900
Like the, the Klingon on the, on, so that shot is taken from, um

974
00:43:00.900 --> 00:43:04.679
uh, one of the films, I think, the motion picture.

975
00:43:04.739 --> 00:43:05.820
What, the ship?

976
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:06.900
Yeah.

977
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.539
I love the design of the Klingon ships.

978
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:14.340
And later on, when obviously CGI gets to that standard and you've

979
00:43:14.340 --> 00:43:17.159
got them swooping into the atmosphere, it's a planet, I think.

980
00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:20.880
It's a really dynamic design for an action sequence.

981
00:43:20.940 --> 00:43:23.159
Do you remember that bit where they swoop in in sacrifice of

982
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:24.119
angels and save the day?

983
00:43:24.179 --> 00:43:26.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

984
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:26.820
Yeah.

985
00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:32.760
So this ropey fucking blaster that they're assembling.

986
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.780
It's like a parody of a Bond movie, isn't it?

987
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:40.260
You know, where it's very, it's very wobbly.

988
00:43:40.380 --> 00:43:44.880
The pencilled a scar case that it's just everything has got on

989
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:45.119
him.

990
00:43:45.179 --> 00:43:47.820
It's a very wobbly prop.

991
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.420
Look, even as he takes it in his hands, it's sort of bending.

992
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:52.739
It's got stained glass in the middle.

993
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:54.900
I don't know what that is.

994
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:56.159
It is very strange, isn't it?

995
00:43:56.219 --> 00:43:57.239
belt buckles, right?

996
00:43:57.300 --> 00:43:58.679
Now, look, now we're moving.

997
00:43:58.739 --> 00:43:59.760
We've got some action going.

998
00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:01.739
Yeah, now we get some action, which is great.

999
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:06.719
And we get these glorious scenes in engineering, which I just...

1000
00:44:06.780 --> 00:44:08.760
But look at the way that you get.

1001
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:11.460
Remember the phaser, like on their back, like it goes through

1002
00:44:11.460 --> 00:44:11.820
them?

1003
00:44:11.820 --> 00:44:13.800
And then you see...

1004
00:44:13.860 --> 00:44:15.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1005
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:16.260
Can you hear us?

1006
00:44:16.260 --> 00:44:17.639
I'll be getting phaser into him.

1007
00:44:17.699 --> 00:44:19.260
Yeah, awesome.

1008
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:23.219
But look at the back, you know, and just all of the, like, just

1009
00:44:23.219 --> 00:44:26.519
the circles and stuff, you know, like, it's a fun effect.

1010
00:44:26.579 --> 00:44:27.420
It looks really great.

1011
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:31.980
The beam has got some girth to it, if you'll pardon the

1012
00:44:31.980 --> 00:44:32.340
expression.

1013
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:33.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1014
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:36.659
And when they hit people, huge sparks fly out of their check.

1015
00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:37.619
You know?

1016
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:39.900
It's like a, it's something physical, isn't it?

1017
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:41.099
Yeah.

1018
00:44:41.099 --> 00:44:42.059
It's so late.

1019
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:45.840
We watched descent. and they're having phaser fights with a Borg

1020
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:47.280
and it was so boring.

1021
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:48.840
No, yeah.

1022
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:53.340
Hiding behind consoles coming out, shooting, no beams.

1023
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:56.280
Going back. tedious.

1024
00:44:57.420 --> 00:45:00.059
There'll be a short delay, Captain.

1025
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:04.139
Well, send him over in a minute.

1026
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:05.219
We just got to round them up.

1027
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:06.300
They're on the rum.

1028
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.360
I don't know why they can't, we haven't kind of decided that we

1029
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.519
can do site to site transport.

1030
00:45:11.579 --> 00:45:14.579
You know, we kind of need the transporter room, although, you know

1031
00:45:14.579 --> 00:45:17.820
transport them to the transporter room and then transport them to

1032
00:45:17.820 --> 00:45:20.340
the ship, but they might work that out.

1033
00:45:20.340 --> 00:45:22.679
That's more for them, Maurice Holey, if I'm honest.

1034
00:45:23.340 --> 00:45:25.199
Oh, look at that.

1035
00:45:25.260 --> 00:45:28.079
She's wearing those skirts, look, that lady.

1036
00:45:28.139 --> 00:45:32.760
Two of them are, the 2 of them, and they, yeah, so, so.

1037
00:45:33.059 --> 00:45:38.760
So you said that Rob Bowman moves the action up to the top floor

1038
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:43.019
of, because they've got this big set that has these floors and the

1039
00:45:43.019 --> 00:45:47.219
glass floors and stuff, but the script is still saying that he's

1040
00:45:47.219 --> 00:45:52.199
training his weapon on the dilithium crystal chamber, which is, of

1041
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.059
course, the round thing on ground level.

1042
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.599
Uh, but they haven't really established any of that yet.

1043
00:45:57.659 --> 00:45:59.519
And clearly Rob Bowman doesn't care.

1044
00:45:59.579 --> 00:46:03.420
So he, you know, because it's more important to get some sort of

1045
00:46:03.420 --> 00:46:04.139
dynamic shot.

1046
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.380
I think they do this again the following year in the schizoid man

1047
00:46:07.380 --> 00:46:07.860
don't they?

1048
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.500
Where they use these levels of the...

1049
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:14.400
You never get a shot, though, like him falling down and cracking

1050
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:15.119
into that glass.

1051
00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:17.940
Yeah, that is pretty great. so dramatic.

1052
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:22.019
That's the sort of thing where in later years they go, well, we

1053
00:46:22.019 --> 00:46:23.400
can't really do that to the set.

1054
00:46:23.460 --> 00:46:24.480
We need it again next week.

1055
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:28.619
At the moment, they don't know how many episodes I got left, really

1056
00:46:28.619 --> 00:46:30.840
you know, like just smash them up.

1057
00:46:30.900 --> 00:46:33.719
And I think you see some blood as well, some blood on the glass.

1058
00:46:33.780 --> 00:46:34.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1059
00:46:34.739 --> 00:46:35.639
Which is great.

1060
00:46:35.699 --> 00:46:38.940
That's a really unusual shot of the Enterprise there from...

1061
00:46:38.940 --> 00:46:40.139
Yeah, yeah, it is, isn't it?

1062
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:41.760
sort of below the range.

1063
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:46.079
Tasha, yeah, come along now.

1064
00:46:46.139 --> 00:46:48.300
Odo would have had them rounded up by now.

1065
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:51.659
She's decided that they're just going to stand there and wait till

1066
00:46:51.659 --> 00:46:52.380
he gets bored.

1067
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:54.300
Like, you know what I mean?

1068
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:55.920
He'll just get bored.

1069
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:58.619
I'd love a scene of him just shouting out, I'm not coming down, you

1070
00:46:58.619 --> 00:46:58.800
know.

1071
00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:06.300
Oh, thank you for spelling us out.

1072
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:08.880
Yeah, obviously, we've got to shoot the dilation chamber.

1073
00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:09.300
Thank you.

1074
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:12.300
That would destroy the Enterprise, as you know, Bob.

1075
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:13.320
Yes, he knows.

1076
00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:13.980
I know.

1077
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:17.219
Every time you say, as you know, Bob.

1078
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:17.940
I laugh.

1079
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:22.320
It's because they do it a lot in 90s.

1080
00:47:22.380 --> 00:47:23.579
They do.

1081
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:24.420
It is a thing.

1082
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:25.739
Oh, this is nice.

1083
00:47:25.739 --> 00:47:28.380
I do like, you know, this is what we've been leading up to.

1084
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:32.639
Wharf this final confrontation. trying to convince him to do the

1085
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:33.239
right thing.

1086
00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:38.219
Yeah, yeah, but the thing is, you know, that this is someone who

1087
00:47:38.219 --> 00:47:43.860
can't live with the new thing where they're allies, where they're

1088
00:47:43.860 --> 00:47:48.539
friends and allies, and he needs there to be war, and they go back

1089
00:47:48.539 --> 00:47:51.659
and they, you know, that's what they do with Kirk, don't they?

1090
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:52.739
in Star Trek six.

1091
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.559
You know, it still feels that way.

1092
00:47:55.619 --> 00:47:57.239
The warriors of Kling.

1093
00:47:57.300 --> 00:47:58.980
Kling, yeah.

1094
00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:00.780
I don't say Kling very often, do they?

1095
00:48:00.900 --> 00:48:01.559
No.

1096
00:48:01.619 --> 00:48:04.559
I looked it up on memory, Alpha, and memory, Alpha, obviously, rec

1097
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:10.199
concert is another way of saying Kono, Kronos, you know, but Kling

1098
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:10.920
I think, is pretty great.

1099
00:48:10.980 --> 00:48:14.039
Well, it's like the guy in trials and tribulation, so he calls the

1100
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:15.960
Klingon language Klingon E, you know.

1101
00:48:16.019 --> 00:48:18.300
It's just no one ever calls it that.

1102
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:19.139
What are we talking about?

1103
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:22.920
I like the fact that you have, you know, a glorious job educating

1104
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:26.519
the youth of today, you know, in dead languages and wonderful

1105
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:28.380
sophisticated things going on in your life.

1106
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:32.159
But there's still time to go on memory alpha to find out how many

1107
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:34.199
references of the word cling you can find.

1108
00:48:34.260 --> 00:48:35.699
Kling, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1109
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:37.739
You're a very multifacety person, you know.

1110
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:43.260
See, yeah, I think this is good.

1111
00:48:43.380 --> 00:48:45.480
There's a great performance from Vaughan Armstrong.

1112
00:48:45.539 --> 00:48:46.500
He is really killing it here.

1113
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:49.440
But I think bringing it upstairs was a good move.

1114
00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:50.340
Yeah, oh, yeah.

1115
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:53.340
If they were just downstairs on those boring carpets.

1116
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:54.059
You know?

1117
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:55.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1118
00:48:55.619 --> 00:48:58.139
Well, just even the flashing warp core and stuff.

1119
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.019
I mean, they could have just changed it to the warp core, fire at

1120
00:49:01.019 --> 00:49:01.920
the warp core.

1121
00:49:01.980 --> 00:49:03.360
But the money shot is full, isn't it?

1122
00:49:03.420 --> 00:49:04.559
And you just wouldn't have that, I was.

1123
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:04.920
Yeah.

1124
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:09.659
But this is the speech, isn't it, where Worf says that the real

1125
00:49:09.659 --> 00:49:13.380
challenge is where a warrior must overcome.

1126
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:14.159
Yeah, yeah.

1127
00:49:14.219 --> 00:49:15.179
Do you know what I mean?

1128
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:18.000
And it's sort of cheesy, but it is him stating his philosophy.

1129
00:49:18.059 --> 00:49:21.780
We're getting a little bit of what he thinks about and what it

1130
00:49:21.780 --> 00:49:23.400
means to him to be a Klingon.

1131
00:49:23.460 --> 00:49:26.099
You know, that it is internal.

1132
00:49:26.099 --> 00:49:30.000
And that the duty on a loyalty thing is a thing that will come up

1133
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:31.019
later, isn't it?

1134
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:32.940
Like that's a warrior.

1135
00:49:32.940 --> 00:49:33.719
It's nothing.

1136
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:39.360
But isn't that where we land where we finally go with the Klingon

1137
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:39.780
stories?

1138
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:44.400
They we discover that the Klingons have forgotten duty honour and

1139
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:48.840
loyalty and that's summed up in tacking into the wind.

1140
00:49:48.900 --> 00:49:49.320
Exactly.

1141
00:49:49.380 --> 00:49:54.420
But also the same speech at the end of, um, since, uh, not since

1142
00:49:54.420 --> 00:49:57.000
the father at the end of, Well, you know, like at the end of

1143
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.119
what's a phase at the end of. so fucking refreshing that someone

1144
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:01.019
calls it out, you know?

1145
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:03.000
Oh, look at that.

1146
00:50:03.059 --> 00:50:04.320
That is great.

1147
00:50:04.380 --> 00:50:05.159
Yes.

1148
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:05.820
Woo hoo.

1149
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:08.460
He lands with a crack.

1150
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:09.780
There's glass flying.

1151
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:10.980
There's blood spray.

1152
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:15.300
Yeah, the glassy lands on cracks. do that later on.

1153
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:16.800
No, no.

1154
00:50:16.860 --> 00:50:18.239
It's really good, isn't it?

1155
00:50:18.300 --> 00:50:20.579
To quote the red dwarf joke again.

1156
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:22.559
It would be like, are you sure, director?

1157
00:50:22.619 --> 00:50:24.239
It does mean rebuilding the set?

1158
00:50:24.300 --> 00:50:25.559
Yeah.

1159
00:50:25.619 --> 00:50:28.860
But, and this too.

1160
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:29.880
Do you know what I mean?

1161
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:33.780
Like, because what he's done is he has given Chorus the

1162
00:50:33.780 --> 00:50:39.000
opportunity to die in battle, you know, like he doesn't have to go

1163
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:39.420
off.

1164
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:43.139
He doesn't have to leave in a world where he's an ally to the

1165
00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:43.739
federation.

1166
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:45.239
He gets to die honourably.

1167
00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:51.059
But the funny thing is like, no, that is so shit.

1168
00:50:51.179 --> 00:50:53.099
Rob Bowman, wake up yourself.

1169
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.340
The one with the successive, you know, the camera.

1170
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:59.460
Get moving further and cutting and cutting and cutting and cutting

1171
00:50:59.460 --> 00:51:00.719
until he's just in the distance.

1172
00:51:00.780 --> 00:51:02.099
Just like, you cheesy.

1173
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:02.699
This is drama.

1174
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:04.139
This is drama.

1175
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:05.519
What the hell?

1176
00:51:05.579 --> 00:51:11.280
But, you know, he kills someone in sins of the father and he gets

1177
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:12.239
chewed out.

1178
00:51:12.300 --> 00:51:16.139
He gets in trouble, but here it's just like, oh, yeah, he killed

1179
00:51:16.139 --> 00:51:16.559
that guy.

1180
00:51:16.619 --> 00:51:20.159
It's fine, you know, like whatever. fine line, though, isn't it?

1181
00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:21.059
I wanted to talk about that.

1182
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:21.960
I wasn't quite sure where.

1183
00:51:22.019 --> 00:51:26.219
So I'm glad you're given this opening. of like him being a Klingon

1184
00:51:26.219 --> 00:51:29.519
on the ship and being allowed to behave like a Klingon.

1185
00:51:29.699 --> 00:51:34.019
And scenes of the Picard basically go and swim. you know what?

1186
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:37.679
There's only so far you be a Klingon on this ship and you need to

1187
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:39.119
start behaving more like a human.

1188
00:51:39.179 --> 00:51:41.099
And we do have a few scenes like that as well.

1189
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.440
And I don't think they really land anywhere with it.

1190
00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:47.519
No, but here they have a, they've decided that's not going to be a

1191
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:50.639
thing, but, you know, it is telling that just a few years later

1192
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:54.539
he's being told off for behaving like exactly like this.

1193
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:56.579
He goes on the ship and kill someone.

1194
00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:59.099
As ever, I prefer the DS9 approach.

1195
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:02.280
When Wolf decides to stab his brother because he wants to commit

1196
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:04.860
suicide in Sons of Mogue.

1197
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:08.099
Cisco just goes, get him in the fucking brig, all right?

1198
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:09.960
Psychopath.

1199
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:13.980
I love this line.

1200
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:15.780
I laughed out loud at this line.

1201
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:19.440
Everyone's looking at him after he says, I would like to...

1202
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:21.900
Look at that, yeah.

1203
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:25.260
Oh boy, it's nearly over his eyes there.

1204
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:27.480
I know, but this is the end of the day.

1205
00:52:27.539 --> 00:52:28.920
Yeah.

1206
00:52:28.980 --> 00:52:30.599
So that, but that's a funny line.

1207
00:52:30.659 --> 00:52:32.880
You know, he says, oh, yes, you know, I would very much like

1208
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:35.940
Captain to, you know, after my tour of duty on the Enterprise is

1209
00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:36.300
over.

1210
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:39.179
I would very much like to serve on the Klingon ship and then

1211
00:52:39.179 --> 00:52:42.300
they're both just looking at him as he walks off and he goes, I

1212
00:52:42.300 --> 00:52:44.880
was just trying to be polite, which I just think is so funny.

1213
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:48.840
It's all about being Klingon.

1214
00:52:49.739 --> 00:52:53.219
I mean, I just think it was a bit laboured.

1215
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:56.159
I always feel like TNG comedy is a bit laboured.

1216
00:52:56.219 --> 00:52:59.219
Yeah, yeah, but I don't think that that's not a comedy.

1217
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.519
That's not a doodle, doo, doo, doo, sort of end of episode comedy

1218
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:05.579
thing, like we would have had. not as bad as that little girl in

1219
00:53:05.579 --> 00:53:06.599
disaster at the end.

1220
00:53:06.659 --> 00:53:07.739
No, you're right.

1221
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:09.420
That's adorable.

1222
00:53:10.500 --> 00:53:15.000
Although, I mean, we have gone to the lengths in series one. of

1223
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:20.519
having a joke and people literally going, thank God we didn't do

1224
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:20.639
that.

1225
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:24.780
But no, but I thought I thought that was a properly funny thing

1226
00:53:24.780 --> 00:53:28.199
because it was thematically consistent with what was going on in

1227
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:32.400
the episode and it was playing with, you know, his wharf Klingon.

1228
00:53:32.460 --> 00:53:34.320
Is he, you know, how human is he?

1229
00:53:34.380 --> 00:53:34.920
that kind of thing.

1230
00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:36.360
I was just trying to be polite.

1231
00:53:36.420 --> 00:53:38.579
It's a very weird thing for Cleon to say.

1232
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:39.179
It's great.

1233
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:43.079
And that episode is sort of revving the engine of that, isn't it?

1234
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:46.380
Where is Wharf with the Klingon people?

1235
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:50.340
It's not really got anything huge to say about it, but then we

1236
00:53:50.340 --> 00:53:54.239
would go on to have a, well, in fact, what was nice about that

1237
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:58.019
episode wasn't really the episode itself, about how it gave us a

1238
00:53:58.019 --> 00:54:02.400
chance to talk about how this stuff runs and runs and the various

1239
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:03.360
ways they explore it.

1240
00:54:03.420 --> 00:54:06.119
And clearly there's there's legs here.

1241
00:54:06.179 --> 00:54:10.079
Like, you know, they, there are what, 20, 30 Klingon episodes

1242
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:11.820
between now and the end of Enterprise?

1243
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:13.139
That's a season.

1244
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:17.400
Yeah, I mean, I mean, the funny thing is, though, I think that

1245
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:22.199
that next year, the Kleon episode focusses on Riker.

1246
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:24.300
Brilliant for it, though.

1247
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:27.960
It is, it's one of the best episodes of that terrible season.

1248
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:31.559
The only character that could possibly serve on a Klingon ship.

1249
00:54:31.619 --> 00:54:32.940
Oh man, William Riker.

1250
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:34.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1251
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.260
They should have gotten a bit where he shoves the Klingon into the

1252
00:54:37.260 --> 00:54:37.440
wall.

1253
00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:39.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1254
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:40.320
It's great.

1255
00:54:40.380 --> 00:54:43.619
It's a really, really good episode, but it does sound like, you

1256
00:54:43.619 --> 00:54:45.780
know, they're kind of going, all right, we've done the episode

1257
00:54:45.780 --> 00:54:48.719
about wharf interacting with other Klingons.

1258
00:54:48.780 --> 00:54:53.460
Let's do something else, and then Ron Moore hits early on the

1259
00:54:53.460 --> 00:54:57.059
thing that, like, just becomes deep size 9's normal motors

1260
00:54:57.059 --> 00:54:58.260
operanda, doesn't it?

1261
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:02.460
Where you have alien characters and we have the Ferengi episode

1262
00:55:02.460 --> 00:55:06.480
the Changeling episode, the, you know, the trill episode, basically

1263
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:10.860
every year where their high concept gets played with and examined

1264
00:55:10.860 --> 00:55:11.400
and stuff.

1265
00:55:11.460 --> 00:55:14.519
And so more starts that, but not really until series 3.

1266
00:55:14.699 --> 00:55:17.940
It's no surprise they ran with these Klingon episodes, though.

1267
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:19.920
Like look at the 1st 3 there.

1268
00:55:19.980 --> 00:55:23.219
Heart of Glory, Matt of Honour, and the Emissary.

1269
00:55:23.340 --> 00:55:26.159
And that's 3 of the highlights of the 1st 2 years.

1270
00:55:26.219 --> 00:55:27.539
There's something here.

1271
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:28.380
There's some magic here.

1272
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:32.460
What, the unfortunate thing is, is then they start painting out

1273
00:55:32.460 --> 00:55:37.559
that civilisation in agonising detail at times.

1274
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:41.039
And you get something like the 2nd half of birthright, you know

1275
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:42.480
where Worf goes looking for his dad.

1276
00:55:42.539 --> 00:55:44.880
And oh, it's just so boring.

1277
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:46.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1278
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:47.400
Yeah.

1279
00:55:47.460 --> 00:55:49.440
Yeah, there are diminishing returns.

1280
00:55:49.500 --> 00:55:50.519
It doesn't last too long.

1281
00:55:50.579 --> 00:55:54.539
I think maybe even redemption's pushing it a bit.

1282
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:57.659
But there's a lot of other stuff going on in redemption as well

1283
00:55:57.659 --> 00:55:58.079
isn't there?

1284
00:55:58.139 --> 00:55:59.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1285
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:03.360
Yeah, particularly in part two, where only half of it is about the

1286
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:04.079
Klingon thing.

1287
00:56:04.139 --> 00:56:07.920
It's so interesting to go back as well and see early Michael Dorm

1288
00:56:07.980 --> 00:56:11.820
especially after we've seen the wonderful things he does elsewhere

1289
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:12.119
you know.

1290
00:56:12.179 --> 00:56:14.699
You remember the fabulous line he had about drinking the tea in

1291
00:56:14.699 --> 00:56:18.420
the house, the survivors, which it's only like 2 seasons away.

1292
00:56:18.539 --> 00:56:20.639
But so they very quickly learn.

1293
00:56:20.699 --> 00:56:23.880
Actually, this man can do more than grunt and hold a phaser.

1294
00:56:23.940 --> 00:56:27.900
Yeah, which is nice. and say cheesy dialogue.

1295
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:31.199
I mean, you know, the speech about the fight being internal and

1296
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:35.159
stuff like that is barely wrote.

1297
00:56:35.219 --> 00:56:35.940
Do you know what I mean?

1298
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.579
It's not that exciting and he's doing okay with it.

1299
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:42.480
But like no one at this point in the show is kind of covering

1300
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:46.199
themselves in glory, not even Patrick Stewart, really, you know

1301
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:49.440
it's still all a bit rough and a bit embryonic, I think.

1302
00:56:49.500 --> 00:56:52.920
Well, what's interesting about Dawn is he starts off as this

1303
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:55.860
character they do not know what to do with.

1304
00:56:55.920 --> 00:57:00.300
And he ultimately becomes, oh, we're going to bring this character

1305
00:57:00.300 --> 00:57:02.280
across to save another show.

1306
00:57:02.820 --> 00:57:07.260
He's so been taken to the heart of everybody. you know, and that's

1307
00:57:07.260 --> 00:57:08.099
him doing all the work.

1308
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:09.780
I don't know, Ryan's part of it is probably.

1309
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:13.139
If he wasn't as charismatic and as funny as he is, as well.

1310
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.659
Then they certainly wouldn't have chosen him for that.

1311
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:19.920
And then what happens is, you know, everyone goes, oh, DS9 sold

1312
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:21.420
out, wharf's going over there.

1313
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:26.639
And it was like gangbusters because suddenly he's another outcast

1314
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:28.800
like they're all outcasts on DS9.

1315
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:32.280
And, you know, spends a whole season going, well, I don't want to

1316
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:33.420
be here, this miserable place.

1317
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:35.159
You know, I'm going to live on the defiant.

1318
00:57:35.219 --> 00:57:38.940
And then eventually settles in, has a wonderful romance with Jazia

1319
00:57:38.940 --> 00:57:41.340
lots of interesting things going on with his character.

1320
00:57:41.340 --> 00:57:46.800
And then to just a piece, the resistance, the cherry on the Sunday

1321
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:51.539
to top it all off, that moment where he turned up again in series

1322
00:57:51.539 --> 00:57:54.000
3 of Picard, you know?

1323
00:57:54.059 --> 00:57:56.039
And I was punching a gun.

1324
00:57:56.099 --> 00:57:57.360
Yes, is...

1325
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.420
And they did that whole thing about him dying.

1326
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:01.679
I was like, 0 no.

1327
00:58:01.739 --> 00:58:02.820
What are they doing?

1328
00:58:04.019 --> 00:58:06.360
Of course it was fake.

1329
00:58:06.420 --> 00:58:11.340
It's worth mentioning that he is the actor who has done more Star

1330
00:58:11.340 --> 00:58:12.659
Trek than anyone else.

1331
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:15.420
You wouldn't be able to tell that at this point, would you?

1332
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:16.739
No, but he would be.

1333
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:17.460
But there you go.

1334
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:18.059
Yeah.

1335
00:58:18.059 --> 00:58:19.739
So hurrah for wharf.

1336
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:20.579
Exactly.

1337
00:58:28.260 --> 00:58:33.420
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is my turn to pick

1338
00:58:33.420 --> 00:58:39.300
and I have decided to do what I think I've done before fairly

1339
00:58:39.300 --> 00:58:39.840
recently.

1340
00:58:39.900 --> 00:58:42.659
You're about to do what I think you're about to do.

1341
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:45.539
You've actually done it quite a few times fairly recently.

1342
00:58:45.659 --> 00:58:49.559
It's always been you choosing Enterprise, if you're about to

1343
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:50.280
choose Enterprise.

1344
00:58:50.340 --> 00:58:52.199
I really want to choose it.

1345
00:58:52.260 --> 00:58:54.420
You are obsessed, man.

1346
00:58:55.500 --> 00:58:58.440
Do you not remember what bees on the voyages?

1347
00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:00.179
Yeah, I thought it was all right.

1348
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.739
Well, I hope for your choice.

1349
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:06.300
You get something truly ghastly.

1350
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:07.199
Okay.

1351
00:59:07.260 --> 00:59:07.739
All right.

1352
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:08.519
I'm sure to.

1353
00:59:09.059 --> 00:59:10.800
That's going to happen.

1354
00:59:10.980 --> 00:59:16.199
I'm sorry, in his favour. that's right Okay, here goes.

1355
00:59:17.219 --> 00:59:22.800
Your random Star Trek episode is Terra Nova season one, episode

1356
00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:23.579
six.

1357
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:26.639
Oh, I don't know a thing about that.

1358
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:29.400
Do you want to do Season one?

1359
00:59:29.460 --> 00:59:30.360
No.

1360
00:59:30.420 --> 00:59:32.460
And it means it just means new earth, right?

1361
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:33.119
I don't know.

1362
00:59:33.179 --> 00:59:39.000
I think that's supposed to be the only, and I'd say this with some

1363
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:42.179
weight, the only episode that, uh, not Mayweather.

1364
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:42.900
What's his name?

1365
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:43.320
The pilot.

1366
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:45.719
Oh, yeah, yeah. don't even know his name.

1367
00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:47.460
This is a problem.

1368
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:48.719
Is that his name?

1369
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:53.579
Travis, I think that's the only episode that's about him.

1370
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:56.820
Oh, okay. the entire run.

1371
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:58.860
It's very so embarrassing.

1372
00:59:58.920 --> 00:59:59.340
All right.

1373
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:03.960
We've rolled this before, and I think maybe we do it.

1374
01:00:04.019 --> 01:00:06.300
It's Carbon Creek.

1375
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:09.659
Oh, yeah, interesting choice.

1376
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:11.460
From a Klingon episode to a Vulcan episode.

1377
01:00:11.579 --> 01:00:12.960
What do you think?

1378
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:18.000
I watched Carbon Creek about 2 years ago.

1379
01:00:18.059 --> 01:00:22.380
I had never seen it before, and I think on my blog, I gave it 4

1380
01:00:22.380 --> 01:00:28.260
stars out of 5, and I remember it just being very light, but just

1381
01:00:28.260 --> 01:00:29.280
really enjoyable.

1382
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:32.760
And Jolene Blaylock gets to do interesting things because it's set

1383
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:36.300
in the past, I think.

1384
01:00:36.300 --> 01:00:37.860
Yeah, yeah.

1385
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:41.940
Like in the 20th century or something or the like in the like it's

1386
01:00:41.940 --> 01:00:42.960
contemporary, isn't it?

1387
01:00:43.019 --> 01:00:48.059
Yeah, it's not like a, this is gonna wow you, but it was, you know

1388
01:00:48.059 --> 01:00:50.760
remarkably competent for an episode of Enterprise.

1389
01:00:51.059 --> 01:00:53.639
Yeah, I think I want to do something worse.

1390
01:00:55.679 --> 01:00:58.619
You want something worse than competent.

1391
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:01.559
Actually, this is kind of interesting.

1392
01:01:01.619 --> 01:01:02.820
This could be good.

1393
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:09.300
And again, it's one part of one of the series 4 3 parties.

1394
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:12.960
We are avoiding early enterprise, though, you know, a lot at the

1395
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:13.199
moment.

1396
01:01:13.260 --> 01:01:18.780
Yeah, but this is season four, episode five, cold station 12.

1397
01:01:19.019 --> 01:01:21.059
Oh, it's the best of the 3 as well.

1398
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:22.079
Yeah, yeah.

1399
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:24.659
I think I think you should push it again.

1400
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:29.280
Because I think I think we should do something really terrible.

1401
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:30.480
Oh really?

1402
01:01:31.019 --> 01:01:33.119
That's a very good episode.

1403
01:01:33.179 --> 01:01:36.239
Yeah, and that's a that's actually a good three-parter.

1404
01:01:36.300 --> 01:01:38.579
I really like it, but we can always roll it again.

1405
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:42.480
Do you remember the style of that free power, the very 1st shot of

1406
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:48.420
that CGI Klingon tog going...

1407
01:01:49.139 --> 01:01:50.579
No.

1408
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:55.679
Okay, so this is series season one, episode 9 civilisation.

1409
01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:58.860
Well, I don't know a thing about it.

1410
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:01.679
I mean, do we dare go in blind on something?

1411
01:02:01.860 --> 01:02:08.340
See, I've, I've pulled up Jamma's reviews and he's, he gives it

1412
01:02:08.340 --> 01:02:11.579
2.5 stars, which means it's as good as BAM.

1413
01:02:11.699 --> 01:02:15.179
And he describes it like this.

1414
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:18.599
Members of the Enterprise crew go undercover to explore the world

1415
01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:22.980
of a pre-warp society and Archer is drawn into an investigation

1416
01:02:22.980 --> 01:02:24.900
involving an illness among their people.

1417
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:28.739
It just sounds like...

1418
01:02:30.539 --> 01:02:34.079
Have ever seen anything like that before?

1419
01:02:34.380 --> 01:02:36.059
No joke.

1420
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.039
What a revelation.

1421
01:02:38.099 --> 01:02:39.719
Unbelievable.

1422
01:02:39.780 --> 01:02:42.239
A disease, you say, my God.

1423
01:02:42.300 --> 01:02:43.920
I push it again.

1424
01:02:43.980 --> 01:02:45.119
Come on, let's do that, okay.

1425
01:02:45.179 --> 01:02:46.619
That's absurd.

1426
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:48.840
Okay, whatever you do now, I'll be this one.

1427
01:02:48.900 --> 01:02:52.199
Probably season three, which we haven't done properly, have we?

1428
01:02:52.260 --> 01:02:52.739
Have we?

1429
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:53.460
Not really.

1430
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:55.500
Not any of the good ones anyway.

1431
01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:59.099
We did one with Rick Worthy as a sort of ape guy, didn't we?

1432
01:02:59.159 --> 01:02:59.699
Did we do that?

1433
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:00.900
That's a thing that happens.

1434
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:04.079
I think I think you watched that one, but we did.

1435
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:04.860
I may have watched that one.

1436
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:05.280
Right.

1437
01:03:05.340 --> 01:03:10.139
So season three, episode 12, Chosen Realm.

1438
01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:14.280
Can you please check Jamara again, please?

1439
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:16.679
I thought you knew these.

1440
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:19.139
Chosen realm.

1441
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:20.519
It's not ringing any bells.

1442
01:03:21.059 --> 01:03:25.800
A group of religious extremists hijacks the enterprise with the

1443
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:28.980
intention of using it to destroy their enemies in a century long

1444
01:03:28.980 --> 01:03:30.059
holy war.

1445
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:33.840
A group of religious extremists, you say.

1446
01:03:33.900 --> 01:03:34.679
My God.

1447
01:03:34.739 --> 01:03:35.820
Sounds great.

1448
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:39.360
I love about enterprises is how they pushed away from everything

1449
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:43.019
all the other 90s trek shows did and did entirely original

1450
01:03:43.019 --> 01:03:43.440
things.

1451
01:03:43.500 --> 01:03:44.940
No, they didn't.

1452
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:47.099
That's just a thing that everyone always does.

1453
01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:51.420
I'm beginning to have 2nd thoughts about this whole idea.

1454
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:55.920
How long can we eat this out for?

1455
01:03:55.920 --> 01:04:00.059
I kind of do want to do a series 3.

1456
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:03.420
I want to do something arkey, you know?

1457
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:07.860
But like heaps of them aren't that arky.

1458
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:08.579
Do you know what I mean?

1459
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:11.579
Like there's all sorts of strange.

1460
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:16.260
Like, it would be interesting to see how they do just a standard

1461
01:04:16.260 --> 01:04:21.539
dumb Star Trek plot against the background of the arc and how the

1462
01:04:21.539 --> 01:04:23.099
arc effects, what's going on.

1463
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:27.840
And we've we've only ever done one series 3 episodes, and that was

1464
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:33.300
some proving ground, which was a bit arky because that that has

1465
01:04:33.300 --> 01:04:37.739
Shran, and it has the Zindi, you know, testing weapon and all of

1466
01:04:37.739 --> 01:04:38.579
that sort of thing.

1467
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:40.139
So we have done that.

1468
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:42.900
I don't know why, you know, we've enterprise.

1469
01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:44.699
Everything just goes in one ear and out the other.

1470
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:47.460
I'll just forget everything. and super forgettable.

1471
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:50.400
But I think we'll go with that, but I've forgotten what it's

1472
01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:50.880
called already.

1473
01:04:50.940 --> 01:04:52.800
Show me some realm.

1474
01:04:52.860 --> 01:04:54.059
Chosen round.

1475
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:54.539
Perfect.

1476
01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:55.559
Perfect.

1477
01:04:55.619 --> 01:05:01.380
You chose it 3 minutes ago. absolutely unforgettable.

1478
01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:05.940
Well, you've chosen the realm that we're entering and on your own

1479
01:05:05.940 --> 01:05:06.719
head, be it.

1480
01:05:06.780 --> 01:05:07.500
Okay.

1481
01:05:14.820 --> 01:05:18.900
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1482
01:05:18.900 --> 01:05:22.920
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

1483
01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:25.500
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1484
01:05:25.500 --> 01:05:26.400
media accounts.

1485
01:05:26.460 --> 01:05:30.420
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1486
01:05:30.420 --> 01:05:32.280
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1487
01:05:32.340 --> 01:05:36.719
This episode was recorded on the 7th of May 2024 and released on

1488
01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:37.860
the 24th of May.

1489
01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:42.059
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Enterprise, Chosen Realm.

1490
01:06:01.139 --> 01:06:03.360
Fuck, I don't know.

1491
01:06:03.420 --> 01:06:05.760
There just comes a point where you can't keep pressing the button

1492
01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:06.300
anymore.

1493
01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:08.400
I mean, do you know what I mean?

1494
01:06:08.460 --> 01:06:11.400
Like, at some point we have to do those shitty nondescript ones.

1495
01:06:11.460 --> 01:06:13.860
I just need to remember that asshole.

1496
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:14.699
Do you know?

1497
01:06:14.820 --> 01:06:20.880
Oh, have I put whisper sink, whisper, speak into the thing?

1498
01:06:21.659 --> 01:06:26.039
I'm just sort of thinking, because we're, there's a Star Trek

1499
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:29.880
coming out every week now, and so we're now falling back behind

1500
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:30.119
right?

1501
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:38.579
Um, Because, uh, where are we on titled Star Trek Project?

1502
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:42.000
Where are my stats?

1503
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:44.099
Here we go.

1504
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:46.739
Oh no, I don't want stats.

1505
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:47.400
I want coverage.

1506
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:52.199
Um, yeah, because there's new, like there's new discovery coming

1507
01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:53.219
out every week.

1508
01:06:53.280 --> 01:07:00.539
And so we are still at 12.77% or something roughly like that.

1509
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:04.079
Enterprise is the one with our worst amount of coverage, which is

1510
01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:07.260
oh, TNG as well, which is why we keep coming back to it.

1511
01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:13.619
Um, But, you know, we, you know, I don't know, how many episodes

1512
01:07:13.619 --> 01:07:14.940
of Star Trek are they doing this year?

1513
01:07:14.940 --> 01:07:16.079
Probably only 20.

1514
01:07:16.739 --> 01:07:19.800
Yeah, just the two.

1515
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:21.360
Discovery and Stranger New Wells.

1516
01:07:21.420 --> 01:07:23.940
No, no, no, discovering lower decks.

1517
01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:26.460
I don't think I think Stranger Worlds is in production.

1518
01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:28.800
I don't know that it will make it out this year though.

1519
01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:33.119
I mean, 20 episodes, there's more than 8 that we're getting for

1520
01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:33.599
Doctor Who.

1521
01:07:33.659 --> 01:07:35.460
Yeah, but we used to get so many.

1522
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:36.360
Do you know what I mean?

1523
01:07:36.420 --> 01:07:38.940
Back in the heyday, where it was Picard and Lower Decks and

1524
01:07:38.940 --> 01:07:41.519
Discovery and...

1525
01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:44.880
I wonder what the top, the, the year was with the most amount of

1526
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:46.260
trek coming out.

1527
01:07:46.380 --> 01:07:47.940
Yeah, that'd be interesting.

1528
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:53.280
I mean, to be fair, at one point you had, um, you know, a movie.

1529
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:57.960
And 48 episodes of 2 shows.

1530
01:07:57.960 --> 01:07:59.159
Yeah, 52 or whatever.

1531
01:07:59.219 --> 01:08:00.599
Yeah.

1532
01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:02.039
Paramount must have been busy then.

1533
01:08:02.099 --> 01:08:04.079
I wonder what happens.

1534
01:08:04.139 --> 01:08:07.980
Like, are we getting like discoveries ending, low decks is

1535
01:08:07.980 --> 01:08:08.400
ending?

1536
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:09.659
The card is ended.

1537
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:11.219
These have gone on.

1538
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:14.400
Yeah, I wonder if it's just winding down for a bit.

1539
01:08:14.460 --> 01:08:17.819
But I think one, I think maybe just strange new worlds will

1540
01:08:17.819 --> 01:08:18.239
Klingon.

1541
01:08:18.300 --> 01:08:19.560
Yeah.

1542
01:08:19.619 --> 01:08:20.460
Yeah.

1543
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:22.260
Well, this is series three.

1544
01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:24.119
I mean, it could run for five.

1545
01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:27.779
And maybe that will pass the battle to something else and it will

1546
01:08:27.779 --> 01:08:29.640
just be a single... don't know.

1547
01:08:29.699 --> 01:08:30.300
I don't know.

1548
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:34.979
They've obviously made a choice for some reason to end all of

1549
01:08:34.979 --> 01:08:35.159
these.

1550
01:08:35.220 --> 01:08:37.560
Oh, what about what about prodigy?

1551
01:08:37.619 --> 01:08:38.819
When's that coming?

1552
01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:40.439
Because that'll be 20 episodes.

1553
01:08:42.539 --> 01:08:44.460
Is it the last 20?

1554
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:46.920
At the moment.

1555
01:08:46.979 --> 01:08:48.960
Oh, apparently, yeah.

1556
01:08:49.020 --> 01:08:53.939
Well, remember they Paramount Plus didn't pick up Prodigy and it

1557
01:08:53.939 --> 01:08:57.000
got sold on Netflix and it's definitely coming on Netflix, but

1558
01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:01.380
then all 20 episodes were released on a French streaming service

1559
01:09:01.380 --> 01:09:03.180
in French.

1560
01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:07.800
And so, like, and then I haven't heard anything more since.

1561
01:09:07.859 --> 01:09:11.220
But I mean, it is coming to Netflix at some point.

1562
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:13.079
And I did think it was beautiful.

1563
01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:16.380
Like, I loved...

1564
01:09:16.619 --> 01:09:21.600
Even the sort of slighter ones are exciting to look at.

1565
01:09:21.659 --> 01:09:23.760
How are we on prodigy?

1566
01:09:23.819 --> 01:09:25.020
We're quite ahead, actually.

1567
01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:30.180
Not as ahead as we are on Strange Street Worlds, and...

1568
01:09:30.180 --> 01:09:33.180
Well, we had to do it.

1569
01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:38.699
Um, yeah, well, even more ahead than Deep Season High.

1570
01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:42.420
But yeah, Prodigy might be one to do for a while.