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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are for our sins in series one of Star Trek, the Next Generation, but I think it turns out this week that we've actually hit on a winner.

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I mean, above average, we should probably say, because the show still clearly isn't fully formed yet, and this is the 1st time we ever get to learn anything about wharf, and we're what?

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19 episodes into the series.

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And I still think there are the issues that you could point at, a lot of things, some very mannered performances from the regulars.

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And let's say a slightly slimmer plot than we would have later on in Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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But in terms of its execution, I was quite impressed with this and in terms of it not having moments where I wanted to crawl under the floor and die, as I do with a lot of season one episodes, that didn't happen once.

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So I'm calling it a pleasant surprise.

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Yeah, I think that's fair enough.

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So this is Heart of Glory, and it's series one, episode 20 of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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The teleplay is by Maurice Hurley, who comes to us from the equaliser, I think, and goes on to do things like Baywatch and stuff.

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He's like a proper TV guy, not a popular man with the TNG cast, though.

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Right.

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The man that took away the precious Gates McFadden from the rest of the regulars.

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I mean, Marina Service must have been looking over her shoulder.

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First Denise Crosby, Ben Gates moved out.

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Oh, they eliminated women in the future.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then it's directed by Rob Bowman, who goes on to have a sort of pretty serious career doing genre TV and stuff as well.

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He's the director they selected to do the 1st X-File movie when the X-Files was at its height.

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Right, you know?

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So he's somebody that goes on to deliver the goods and then some in terms of genre television.

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And I can see here as well.

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I can see here, I don't think he's delivering anything as sophisticated as he would later, but there's some really interesting choices in this that we'll talk about later, the action sequence at the end in engineering, the shooting of the damaged ship at the beginning and looking through Geordie's visor.

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It's like we said, with skin of evil, although this is much better than skin of evil.

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That there is a, let's just try it about season one that when you, like you said, when there's a house style, they're like, no, no, we won't do that.

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We know we can do this, you know?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, there's a whole heap of things that will never happen again.

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And there are some things that seem like kind of dead ends or something like that, sort of cul-de-sacs, but generally speaking, it doesn't embarrass anyone too much.

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And it's pretty enjoyable.

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I was pleasantly surprised.

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I've got a couple of quotes, not from memory alpha for once, but I've been on to Wikipedia, so, you know, take this veracity with a grain of salt, but um, about Maurice Hurley and about Rob Bowman.

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So writer and executive producer.

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Hurley thought the heart of glory was the closest experience he'd had on the show to directly place his philosophy into the script.

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He later credited fellow executive producer Rick Berman, so he's doing a bit of work here with helping to write the script for heart glory, saying, when I had a problem, I could go in and we could sit there, close the door, yell and scream, I'd pace, he'd make suggestions.

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The 2 of us made stories work in that room that had to be shot within a couple of days.

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We were under enormous time pressure and we were working hand in glove.

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We had a wonderful time.

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And on that show especially, meaning Heart of Glory.

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Right, okay.

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I think they're super proud of what they did here.

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And just a little bit of context to what Rob Bowman was thinking when directing this episode, 1st one he did.

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Um, no, is that a lie?

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I think he did data law as well.

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He did where no one has gone before.

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The battle, too short a season, data law, and then Heart of Glory.

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Three of those, some of the 3 best we've had so far, right?

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The battle.

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Yeah, I think the battle is very good.

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Where no one has gone before, which we really like.

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So the director, Rob Bowman, made bold decisions in designing the confrontation sequence.

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The scripted version showed the fight between wharf and chorus taking place entirely on the 1st deck of the engineering section, but instead, Rob Byron thought, well, that's very boring.

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I'm not doing that.

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He had them fight on the upper deck using camera angles never before seen on the show, filmed vertical sequences in that part of the set.

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He also altered the script so that Conell needs to be hit by 3 phaser blasts to make that more dramatic, and he used a steady cam for the 1st time in the show to film the scenes on the freighter to give a rough effect to the footage.

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So he's he is really thinking, how can we make this a bit more visually interesting than what we normally do?

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Man, oh man.

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I mean, I think he goes by the end of season three.

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And I think you can tell as well.

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Yeah, his last story, his last episode, his brothers in season four.

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Which is that's a very technically complex story too, isn't it?

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Three Brent Spiners in there, having to do all that as well.

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Crazy work.

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Yeah, I mean, I think you can sort of tell, come midseries 4 and onwards, the house starlers here and they have stopped experimenting like that.

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It's a shame, you know?

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It a shame.

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I feel like we should have had a few more Rob Bowmans and a few less Les Landows in the director's pool.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, I think that's fair.

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And that is always what's fun about going back and seeing series one and two, is seeing things that Star Trek never attempts again or stops doing.

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The bad thing about going back to series one or 2 is you have to watch episodes like Up the Long Ladder, the Royale.

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Oh, yeah, and Manhunt.

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But yeah, fortunately...

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We've sort of pulled back the string and the arrows hit gold for once.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, what do you think?

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Do you think we should go in?

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Let's do it.

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The 1st Klingon episode.

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Yes, yeah, yeah. that's kind of exciting Was it really clear on episodes in TOS?

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Like, obviously they were the bad guys in that.

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Yeah, so, I mean, there's essentially what, three Klingon episodes with the 3 main guys.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like the 3 Klingons who end up coming back on Deep Space Nine.

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So there are Klingon episodes, but the Klingon episodes have them as adversaries to the enterprise, and the episodes are not really bad examining being a Klingon and what it means to be a Klingon.

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And that is what happens.

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And certainly here, that's the focus, and that's something that stays with the Klingon episodes.

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The interesting thing is this is the 1st Klingon episode, but it's not anything that they go on to do, but it's not a 1000000 miles away from some of the themes that they end up addressing later.

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There's no part of this, though. you know, like while the time you get to redemption and things like that, they're doing these, they're trying to stage these big sort of Shakespearean dramas in space, revenge tragedies and things like this.

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This is just, oh, the Klingons have turned up.

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And let's examine Warf a tiny bit.

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There's still not that much of that going on here.

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And let's just do some exciting stuff with them.

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Yeah, I think there is another thing too, which is that it does examine what has happened to the Klingons in between original Trek and Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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Um, and that's interesting, I think.

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As ever, I shall await your reading on that with baited breath.

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All right, let's go in.

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Oh, can of in?

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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And we're off.

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Ah, that shot.

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Who would have known that it would start with that shot?

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I sounded sarcastic then, didn't I?

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But I was being entirely serious, by the way.

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I think sarcasm is just my default setting.

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I think that this is curiously lacking in urgency this scene in season one.

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Really?

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Yeah, it's really flat, isn't it?

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They're all like something, they're all reacting as if something really major and interesting is happening.

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And Riker's going, should we separate a sorcerer?

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And it's kind of like, wait, what?

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What's going on?

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We've already spent the pocket for that, the one time we can do that.

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Sorry. right.

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But sir, are you sure?

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We could reuse the footage.

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No, no, no.

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Come on now.

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I wish everyone would sit up a bit, though.

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Those bloody chairs.

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Oh, those terrible chairs.

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Yeah, well they get rid of them.

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I think it's so the camera.

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So they're not blocking the view of the other people.

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Just looking at them lying back.

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Yeah.

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Possibly Romulan.

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Now we get a couple of mentions of Romulans in this because we are obviously awaiting the big Romulan return at the end of the season.

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Yeah, which is only a handful of episodes away.

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No, we've got to go through delight such as skin of evil yet, though, before we get there.

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And conspiracy.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. pretty good.

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Yeah, so I don't really know what's happening.

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So with the neutral zone, obviously, and we're going to Yellow Alert for some reason, and then there's this vessel that we're sort of super interested in, and they're like the Talarians.

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So they're like the Tamarians, but just before them in the phone book.

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That's right. very sort of lame model there.

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You know, every time they say, I hate doing that.

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Every time they say like go to yellow alert, that red dwarf joke always just pops into my head.

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You mean it does it does mean changing the bulb.

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They would never do it on this show, though, would they?

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You see someone in the background screwing in the yellow button.

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Well, they don't even turn yellow lights on.

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I don't even know what yellow alert is.

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They all just sort of stand around there.

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At least, you know, on discovery when they go black alert.

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All of the lights get really suddenly incredibly dramatic.

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How many days they shoot the episodes over at this point?

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I'm going to guess at least a week.

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This is one of the good days for Michael Dawn's makeup because they've managed to make it look as if, you know, the forehead ridges are actually blended into his face.

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But there are some scenes later on in this where you can see the line crinkling up from the headpiece.

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Oh, do you think it might be the end of the day where it's all starting to sag?

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Quickly, it's slipping.

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Can we get this shot in, please?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And again, like, it's really funny to think of this as Michael because it's not at all what he lands on and what he ends up being like, is it?

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You think about last time we saw a big wharf episode when we did tacking into the wind.

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And how relaxed he was, you know?

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and how sophisticated that performance was compared to this. where he just sort of, he sort of says every line like this, doesn't he?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he doesn't get very interesting lines.

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I do like the we think this is a trap and we're going in any way. like that's kind of interesting.

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And before, like, we do have this sort of strange B plot that is out of the way really quickly.

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It doesn't sort of interleave between the, you know, B and A plot.

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We't go back and forth between 2 plots.

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We basically land on this one Klingon plot.

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But before that, we get this away team thing where data, Riker and Geordie go on board the battress.

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I think that's just kidding time and until the Klingons come along because it doesn't really go anywhere.

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But I think what it's doing, and I think what this show wants to do a bit is give us some sense of what it's like on the enterprise or what it's like to do a mission.

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And so it's still establishing the premise at this stage rather than just going in and telling the story.

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And so that's why I like all this procedural stuff, I think, is kind of worth doing because it's sort of interesting.

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You know, they're kind of likely.

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But that is the blueprint later on, isn't it?

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We go through so many steamy ships by the end of series 7.

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Yeah, steamy ships. know what I mean.

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No, I know exactly what you mean.

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I was naked now, all right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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In fact, sad for marina service, you know, she's at home right now flicking through the script going, well, when am I going to appear?

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Where am I on?

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What about Will?

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What about Will Waheaton?

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He's not in this at all either.

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He gave such a stellar turn in conspiracy last week. you know, all those scenes on Starfleet Command.

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He needed a rest.

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They needed a little rest.

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Well, in fact, there are a few episodes in series one that Marina's not in.

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I think that like, you know, and that stops being a thing contractually, they kind of have to have them just about.

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God, they have to do some new model work, though.

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Well, that's new model work for, I think, the high definition versions.

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And then the old box standard enterprise shot just gets matted in.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think there's another reason why they're doing this at the beginning of the episode, though, and that is they've just had a cool idea.

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Let's look from Geordie La Force's visor.

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We haven't done that.

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Why haven't we done that?

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Let's get a funky psychedelic effect that we can do.

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And I love it.

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I think it's really great.

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I don't know why we don't do this more often.

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So eventually, I think what ends up happening with all of these characters may be with the exception of data is that they have high concept, single paragraph premises, you know, in the show Bible, and then we stop relying on those and haven't seen every Star Trek, doesn't it?

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And it's just the charm of the actor's performance, and we just know, Well, you know, it's, it's Levar.

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I mean...

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As exemplified last week with Jonathan Frakes in disaster.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. where it's just sort of Jonathan being chill, you know, and being like Jonathan and he's sort of rather wonderful.

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And so here we're exploring that premise, which becomes a, which is a big thing in series one, much more than later on where we kind of don't mention it all that often.

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Remember how it's kind of slightly surprising to hear them even mention it in the masterpiece society, where we have that conversation about Geordie having a disability.

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Well, yeah, this looks great, doesn't it?

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you know, it's touch and go.

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Remember the end of Skin of Evil where she was going old?

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Geordie, you see through the eyes of a poet.

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Oh, God.

216
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Please stop.

217
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Did you see there who was got a story credit?

218
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DC Fontana?

219
00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:22.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

220
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Dorothy Fontana.

221
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A couple of times in series one and two.

222
00:15:25.019 --> 00:15:28.259
And she does write a couple of scripts, usually the worst ones with Armonis.

223
00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.980
I think she might have had a hand in well when the bowel breaks and code of honour.

224
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And she does a couple in the 1st season of DS9 as well.

225
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She writes the teleplay for the Dak's courtroom episode, which is pretty good.

226
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Oh wow, okay.

227
00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:53.279
Because sometimes I think, you know, sometimes people have a limited lifespan is kind of TV writers, you know, that doesn't tend to spend decades because they don't keep up in a way.

228
00:15:53.340 --> 00:15:58.980
Yeah, see, there's a weird parallel here, isn't there?

229
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Because at some point here, Picard says of Geordie, I never really understood him or I, you know, now I understand him a lot better, having seen through his eyes.

230
00:16:12.299 --> 00:16:18.299
And like all this dialect where Geordie says, oh, doesn't everyone say that when they see data?

231
00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:19.379
He's got an aura.

232
00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:20.340
Yeah, he's an Android.

233
00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:21.539
They have auras, don't they?

234
00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:23.820
And, you know, like all of that sort of stuff.

235
00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:26.700
But then later on he's talking to...

236
00:16:26.700 --> 00:16:28.799
That's clearly not data they're shooting, by the way.

237
00:16:28.860 --> 00:16:31.320
No, I don't know what the fuck that is.

238
00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:34.919
Yeah, yeah, that's his stubble.

239
00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:48.419
But later on, he's saying to Riker. after he sees the Klingon death ceremony that Wharf participates in, he says it's like it was a man I'd never seen before or someone that I didn't know at all.

240
00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:58.500
And so, and so we're discovering something about Geordie here and we, this episode, more than having a plot.

241
00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:05.220
It has a plot, but it's not like, it's sort of slightly the hunted, I was getting the hunted vibes from series very slightly.

242
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Yeah, very slightly.

243
00:17:07.019 --> 00:17:08.519
That's a better episode, I think.

244
00:17:08.579 --> 00:17:15.180
But, um, But it's about telling us about war, uh, wharf giving us a chance to learn about war.

245
00:17:15.299 --> 00:17:28.380
I love the line, the where he said, well, no, what I do is I focus in on something and I disregard the rest of the information. man, what an exhausting way to see. that really does explain well what he goes through in order to see things.

246
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I'm looking at the SteadyCam work they're doing now in this pretty decent set.

247
00:17:33.779 --> 00:17:36.059
It's a large set that they're walking around.

248
00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:39.240
And it's so overlit though, isn't it?

249
00:17:39.299 --> 00:17:40.500
It's really overlaying.

250
00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.420
I love the lighting coming up through the floor, though.

251
00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:44.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

252
00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:47.940
And in a minute, there's so much dry ice.

253
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They're all in silhouette.

254
00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:51.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

255
00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:55.740
Well, when they get to the core, the warp core, and you can barely see it.

256
00:17:55.799 --> 00:18:04.140
I mean, Nathan, I only need to point you to collective and those yellow ball sets to remind her of how bad things get later on.

257
00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:06.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

258
00:18:06.059 --> 00:18:08.700
Try pouring down, is it?

259
00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:11.279
Frank's just going, excuse me.

260
00:18:11.339 --> 00:18:14.039
I'm not a fucking Android, you know.

261
00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:17.940
No, it's great.

262
00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:19.319
And in a minute, it is it.

263
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They are shot from behind, completely in silhouette.

264
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And I sent you a picture of it.

265
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I thought that was a very moody shot.

266
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What do you think of the phasers?

267
00:18:27.660 --> 00:18:29.940
Oh, I love the big phases now.

268
00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.720
Oh, no, the tiny, little, tiny wee phases.

269
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Look at the small ones.

270
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

271
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So that's, yeah, look, the little tiny...

272
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I do have the big...

273
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They do later, the big Dustbusters.

274
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But they also have tiny mini ones that you can just hold with your thumb.

275
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Aren't they adorable?

276
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I want one.

277
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Yeah, whatever.

278
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That's the same job, I don't know why they need the lower ones.

279
00:18:52.500 --> 00:18:56.819
Well, it probably sort of kill you quite so solidly as the other one.

280
00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:58.619
Oh, no, the phaser rifles that you hate.

281
00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:00.960
You know, usually like the forcible ones.

282
00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:07.140
But it means you can sort of get, you know, look very dramatic holding it, you know, looking through the sides.

283
00:19:07.259 --> 00:19:09.539
They have no weight to them.

284
00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.480
That's why the Voyager ones are better.

285
00:19:12.539 --> 00:19:15.960
The Voyage ones are like big fuck off guns, you know.

286
00:19:16.019 --> 00:19:25.619
I don't think we've wasted our lives, you know, when on a Tuesday morning straight evening, we're discussing the various signs of phases over the years in Star Trek.

287
00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:29.339
I think we might have.

288
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This is episode 111.

289
00:19:33.059 --> 00:19:37.140
I mean, we've had longer conversations about carpet, all right?

290
00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:40.019
It's true, that's true.

291
00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:44.640
What's even more astonishing if people listen to this shit.

292
00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:50.279
Very entertaining.

293
00:19:50.339 --> 00:19:55.140
So, like, we, what are we, a quarter of the way in and we haven't even seen the Klingon.

294
00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:55.619
See, look now.

295
00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:57.059
How overlit that shot is.

296
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That's terrible.

297
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Look at that.

298
00:19:59.880 --> 00:20:01.440
Look at that. that is good.

299
00:20:01.500 --> 00:20:03.299
Like spectres.

300
00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. like close encounters or something.

301
00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:07.980
It is very...

302
00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:09.299
At this point, we've got no hint.

303
00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:11.220
Or clue, have we, that it's going to be Klingons?

304
00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:13.079
It's a surprise when we go into the room.

305
00:20:13.619 --> 00:20:15.000
Yeah.

306
00:20:15.059 --> 00:20:17.759
Yeah, has Klingons been mentioned?

307
00:20:17.819 --> 00:20:32.700
I can't even remember because I know that, yeah, because Klingon weapons have been used to fire on the thing and they do discover that the battress has been fired on by Klingons, but they think it's the Ferengi with Klingon weapons.

308
00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:34.920
Oh, that's the story that Corus goes with, I think.

309
00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:41.400
I just think that does look like a dangerous, you know, unstable ship.

310
00:20:41.460 --> 00:20:42.839
I like it a lot.

311
00:20:42.900 --> 00:20:44.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

312
00:20:44.700 --> 00:20:53.700
Even just the fact that they're sweating puts them in an environment, you know, like so often they just sort of stroll through these things barely affected by them, but they are sweating.

313
00:20:53.819 --> 00:21:00.839
I think there's something in the performance in later seasons where you can sort of sense, oh, we've done this.

314
00:21:00.900 --> 00:21:03.720
All right, let's just let's just get through the ship, you know?

315
00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:07.740
Yeah, but I think that's, I do think that that's this.

316
00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:21.299
You remember like early enterprise where they're clearly trying to go back to the idea that we can just have a story about an away mission, you know, that is very, you know, thin and and basic and we and procedural.

317
00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:25.619
And so here we're doing, like, we're about to meet them and we...

318
00:21:25.619 --> 00:21:27.180
Do you remember the big goodbye, you know?

319
00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:28.799
3rd of the episode is.

320
00:21:28.859 --> 00:21:37.440
The whole episode was about this fabulous new technology, the holodeck. yeah My god, says Picard.

321
00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:41.279
It felt so real, you know, like no one's ever been on it before.

322
00:21:41.339 --> 00:21:43.799
Now, I think that room looks great.

323
00:21:43.859 --> 00:21:44.640
All right.

324
00:21:44.700 --> 00:21:48.900
So this is Vaughan Armstrong. as Coris.

325
00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:50.339
He does a lot, doesn't he?

326
00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:51.720
He does.

327
00:21:51.779 --> 00:21:56.640
Now, I think that his performance is very 60s Klingon.

328
00:21:56.700 --> 00:22:00.119
It's very kind of, he's doing a sort of Michael Ansara voice.

329
00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:01.079
What do you mean?

330
00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:03.359
Yes, yeah.

331
00:22:03.420 --> 00:22:05.819
Yeah, I think he's absolutely playing it that way.

332
00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:09.960
And so that's not where we land with the Klingons where they're a little bit more growly and stuff.

333
00:22:10.019 --> 00:22:12.299
He's a slightly posher Klingon, isn't he?

334
00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:14.819
And his mate is super posh.

335
00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:18.119
Like, whatever his face. called Mel or something.

336
00:22:18.180 --> 00:22:20.220
You're right, you know.

337
00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:21.900
Look at the lighting here in this room.

338
00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:23.460
Now, this gets great.

339
00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:25.319
This is going to come out of alien or something like that.

340
00:22:25.380 --> 00:22:26.759
This is like movie nighting.

341
00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:28.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

342
00:22:28.259 --> 00:22:29.220
Well, just that black water.

343
00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:30.900
They're not quite there, are they?

344
00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:35.279
Although, the line's way better than, I'll keep saying it, what we get later on.

345
00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:37.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

346
00:22:37.740 --> 00:22:39.420
Even this framing is quite good.

347
00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:44.160
So this guy is chorus in Heart of Glory, which is this episode.

348
00:22:44.220 --> 00:22:50.579
Um, he is in Deep Stace 9's past prologue as a prologue as a Cardassian.

349
00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:55.619
He is, I think he's a Romulan in Eye of the Needle.

350
00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:58.019
Oh, he's wonderful in that episode.

351
00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:00.960
Yeah, the one who's talking with Janebo through the wormhole.

352
00:23:01.019 --> 00:23:02.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

353
00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:08.640
He is another Cardassian, I think, in when it rains, and the dogs of war.

354
00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:10.980
He does 2 parts there.

355
00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:15.359
He's 2 of 9 in Voyages survival instinct.

356
00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:18.180
He's a Vedian in Fury.

357
00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:20.099
He's the Videan captain in Fury.

358
00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:23.759
He is a hirogen in flesh and blood.

359
00:23:23.819 --> 00:23:26.700
He's not shy of latex then, is he?

360
00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:28.140
He likes the latex.

361
00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:34.920
He's another Klingon in, um, in Endgame, in Voyager's Endgame.

362
00:23:34.980 --> 00:23:38.400
He's a Klingon captain in Enterprises sleeping dogs.

363
00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:43.619
He is a credassin in a night in Sick Bay where we've seen him.

364
00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:45.000
So we've seen him.

365
00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:46.440
We've seen him in a...

366
00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:47.579
There are those weird rituals.

367
00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:50.940
Yeah, and he's Captain Forrest.

368
00:23:51.000 --> 00:24:03.359
I mean, Admiral Forrest in Enterprise, a recurring character in Enterprise, who gets killed, remember, in that 1st episode of the Vulcan...

369
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:05.220
Vulcan Embassy gets bombed?

370
00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:05.819
Yes.

371
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:06.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

372
00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:10.559
He's got the sort of face of somebody that's having deep thoughts.

373
00:24:10.619 --> 00:24:15.779
He's sort of fat, his brow is always furrowed slightly, and he looks a little bit angry.

374
00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:23.220
In a sort of, he's got a sort of, you know, like he's not super, you know, but he, I think he's pretty good looking guy.

375
00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:26.579
He's distinctive enough that in all those different makeups you can tell it's him.

376
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.819
Yeah, yeah, he's not too distinctive though, I think.

377
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:32.400
Well, and obviously he can just act.

378
00:24:32.460 --> 00:24:34.319
So that's why they keep asking him back.

379
00:24:34.380 --> 00:24:37.980
I think he's good in this Like, I think he is really properly.

380
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:41.039
I think there's a space for some 60s performances in TNG, you know?

381
00:24:41.099 --> 00:24:42.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

382
00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:44.220
We have a lot fun when we're watching TOS.

383
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:45.180
Exactly.

384
00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:48.779
Usually a lot more fun than we do when we're watching TNG.

385
00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:50.519
Exactly.

386
00:24:54.299 --> 00:25:01.740
Okay, so now, so I like the reaction shot of wharf as well when they say it's the Klingons. like suddenly wharfs in the episode, you know?

387
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:03.599
Yeah, yeah.

388
00:25:03.660 --> 00:25:05.700
This is interesting as well. isn't it?

389
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:13.619
So, notice what they say where they say, are you the only Klingon in Starfleet?

390
00:25:13.619 --> 00:25:18.480
And he says, as far as I know, as if they're trying to hedge their bets.

391
00:25:18.539 --> 00:25:24.960
They don't want to definitely say that in case they want to do a story where there's another Klingon in Starfleet.

392
00:25:25.019 --> 00:25:28.500
So they haven't properly bedded down what his deal is.

393
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:30.000
You see Maurice Hurley there.

394
00:25:30.059 --> 00:25:34.079
He's got a cigar in his mouth and Rob Bowman's just like, not Rob Bowman.

395
00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:36.000
Sorry, um, who am I thinking of?

396
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:40.859
Uh, Herbert Wright, D.C. Fontana.

397
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:42.660
I said the quote at the beginning of the episode.

398
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:43.980
Oh, Burman.

399
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:45.180
Oh, but Berman.

400
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:46.200
Yeah, he's like, Berman?

401
00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:46.500
Yeah.

402
00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:48.240
The only Klingon in Starfleet?

403
00:25:48.299 --> 00:25:49.920
No, no, no. leave it ambiguous.

404
00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:52.500
All right, we might come back to it later.

405
00:25:52.559 --> 00:26:03.900
Do you know, there is one thing this episode does extremely well because there are lots of tense moments, like that spaceship explosing, just them, them running through the smoky ship with a Klingon in his arms.

406
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:05.759
Oh, they're gonna beam out on time.

407
00:26:05.819 --> 00:26:07.440
They're fighting engineering.

408
00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:12.839
They are all perfect clips for shades of grey at the end of series two.

409
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:19.619
And I think that's where I remember most of these bits from because I watched Shakes are great over and over again when it 1st came on.

410
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:24.180
Yeah, because I wanted to, I couldn't remember all the scenes.

411
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.299
I was trying to figure out where all the bits had come from, you know?

412
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:29.819
Scenes from conspiracy, skin of evil.

413
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:30.359
My God.

414
00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:31.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

415
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:35.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah. you know, did you did you know it was just then?

416
00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:38.640
Where he said, yes, the Ferengi attacked us.

417
00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:42.420
We're still doing that, Ferengi being a threat thing, aren't we, in season one?

418
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:43.200
Yeah, they're scary.

419
00:26:43.259 --> 00:26:44.039
Yeah, that's right.

420
00:26:44.099 --> 00:26:47.339
Even though we've seen the last outpost.

421
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:50.819
Oh gosh. when we get to that one.

422
00:26:52.019 --> 00:26:53.700
Awful.

423
00:26:53.700 --> 00:26:54.180
Yeah.

424
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:55.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

425
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:56.400
Yeah.

426
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:57.359
They do.

427
00:26:57.420 --> 00:26:59.700
I don't know when they land with the Frankiest comedy.

428
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:01.200
Is it Menage a Trois?

429
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:04.680
Is that the 1st one where they're properly?

430
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:05.640
holiday, maybe?

431
00:27:05.700 --> 00:27:07.859
No, it might be the price, actually.

432
00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:09.420
You're the one we did.

433
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:10.259
The wormhole one.

434
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:10.799
Yep.

435
00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:11.339
Yeah.

436
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:12.000
Yeah.

437
00:27:12.299 --> 00:27:16.980
Well, they said they're not, they're not really working as the big, big bad, you know?

438
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:27.720
No, but what's interesting here, I think, is like the decision to make the Klingons our allies.

439
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:36.000
Like, Star Trek, the Next Generation happens before Star Trek six, the undiscovered country.

440
00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:41.339
Yeah, because you've got Worf's great-grandfather or whatever is in that.

441
00:27:41.339 --> 00:27:47.339
And it actually examines some similar themes to this episode, I think.

442
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.380
But on the human side, doesn't it?

443
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:57.420
There's a, there's humans like Cartwright and the person played by Renee or over Jean-Oir who gets cut from the, uh, from the whole film.

444
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:03.599
And they want to continue fighting the Klingons.

445
00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:05.819
They don't want peace with the Klingons.

446
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.339
I always wonder with the TOS movies.

447
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:14.279
They can't quite get out of their head that the Klingons aren't the bad guys.

448
00:28:14.339 --> 00:28:18.420
So there's always a suggestion in those movies that the Klingons are up to no good.

449
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:20.640
Whereas this rejects that completely.

450
00:28:21.539 --> 00:28:25.019
Well, it does in a way, doesn't it?

451
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:32.400
But it, like, and one of the things too, is this is season one and they don't know what they're going to do going forward, do they?

452
00:28:32.460 --> 00:28:36.599
Are they going to do sequels to episodes that they've done before?

453
00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:39.119
Like, are we going to have a Klingon episode every year?

454
00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:40.619
Probably we are.

455
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:42.119
What are we going to do in that?

456
00:28:42.180 --> 00:28:56.940
Like, are we introducing themes that we're going to, like, it seems to become a little bit more kind of, like, conscious and planned when, I kind of say, Ron Moore, you do this.

457
00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:58.319
You know, this can be your thing.

458
00:28:58.380 --> 00:29:00.660
I think pillows did a lot of that.

459
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:02.220
Pillar came in and went, right.

460
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.079
What are our strengths of our writers?

461
00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:05.160
What can we do?

462
00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:07.859
Character focus and all that stuff that we've talked about before?

463
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.880
Right now, I don't think they even know they've got a 2nd year, you know?

464
00:29:11.940 --> 00:29:17.099
So all everything they're doing at the moment is they're just sort of throwing stuff in the air and saying, well, let's see if it works.

465
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:35.160
So what we do is a story about what's happened to the Klingons, because I think what they've done is they want this show to be about the Federation, and even though, you know, the Federation, Oh, there we go, the very 1st Klingon death ritual.

466
00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:36.779
Yeah, me too.

467
00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:38.579
It was sort of scary because it was so loud.

468
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:40.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

469
00:29:40.619 --> 00:29:42.299
They kind of tone it down a bit.

470
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:45.240
It's not quite as impressive in tacking into the weird.

471
00:29:45.299 --> 00:29:45.960
I think it would have worked.

472
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:46.920
He doesn't have a power on.

473
00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:53.460
It would have woken up just for a 2nd and gone, oh, baby, would have been so beautiful.

474
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.759
That's when that's when the death scream really hits.

475
00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:02.460
Yeah, but that's really good, isn't it?

476
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:04.859
Because the idea that they're warning the dead.

477
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:08.759
They're warning the people in the afterlife that a Klingon is on their way.

478
00:30:08.819 --> 00:30:10.619
We were there a few weeks ago, right?

479
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

480
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:12.660
Exactly.

481
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:13.680
Exactly.

482
00:30:13.740 --> 00:30:15.240
Yep.

483
00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:27.900
So, so the one thing that they've decided to do is what they did in series 2 of, um, of the original Star Trek, whereas they put a Russian on board.

484
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:32.220
So at this is anticipating the Cold War will end.

485
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:37.140
Russians and Americans will be allies, and so we have a Russian on board the ship.

486
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:45.900
And all of the rivalry, all of the Cold War rivalry is, all that sort of cute stuff where Chekhov says, ah, you know, so-and-so invented television or vodka rals or whatever.

487
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:49.259
And, and, you know, like that's, that's cute.

488
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.359
And that rivalry is sort of defanged.

489
00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:53.400
It doesn't get up in Star Trek.

490
00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:54.359
But yeah, it's cute.

491
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.299
But we do that again in Star Trek the Next Generation.

492
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.539
And we put a Klingon on board the ship, you know.

493
00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:06.180
And we make them allies, like explicitly allies.

494
00:31:06.299 --> 00:31:14.519
I think that's the one thing that truly separates this from TOS because the rest of it is basically a rerun of TOS down to the terrible sets.

495
00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:21.779
I think having a visual market like that, a Klingon in the publicity pictures with the crew. says we're doing something different.

496
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:30.779
And so when I was a kid and I was watching this, and remember, I watched Star Trek the Next Generation kind of before it ended, so I didn't know how it ended.

497
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:45.299
And I always kind of assumed that maybe the Romulans, like it would end with a similar thing, that one of our adversaries would become allies with us, because that seemed to be what the show was sort of setting up.

498
00:31:45.359 --> 00:32:02.160
And remember that, um, that the shock of yesterday's enterprise is it's a version of the show, where they decided not to do that, where they decided not to have a Klingon on board, where they decided to continue making the Klingon to our enemies, and that's wrong.

499
00:32:02.220 --> 00:32:05.220
I mean, it's wrong, but it was a bit more interesting.

500
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.359
One of the best episodes we did, yeah.

501
00:32:09.420 --> 00:32:10.740
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

502
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:17.759
So this, this, you cannot relent or repent or confess or abstain.

503
00:32:17.819 --> 00:32:22.619
So you've got, um, Chorus almost seducing wharf, yeah?

504
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:27.960
Like trying to explain to him what it is that he feel. and stuff.

505
00:32:28.859 --> 00:32:40.319
And and what's, I think what's interesting here is that he thinks that he has to teach wharf what it is to be a Klingon.

506
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:44.759
Yeah, um, and that's what he's doing here.

507
00:32:44.819 --> 00:32:45.720
He's teaching him.

508
00:32:45.779 --> 00:32:47.279
This is why you feel what you feel.

509
00:32:47.339 --> 00:32:52.259
This is how you, you know, you are, you can't change, you know, all of this stuff.

510
00:32:52.319 --> 00:33:03.119
Um, you know, he even says, you know, when you were a child, you would go out, you know, at night by yourself because no one understood what what it was like to be a Klingon.

511
00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:08.940
Um, and he's right, you know, like he says all these things and those things end up being true.

512
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:11.519
But it is all changed a bit, isn't it?

513
00:33:11.579 --> 00:33:13.200
The human parents.

514
00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:15.240
Well, that's here.

515
00:33:15.299 --> 00:33:15.839
That's here.

516
00:33:15.900 --> 00:33:17.339
Like, he tells that story.

517
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:18.900
That's the story that he tells.

518
00:33:19.019 --> 00:33:24.539
He says that he has a foster brother on goal who we may meet later in, is it called Homeward?

519
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.000
But they haven't determined about his father, yeah, have they?

520
00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:31.680
Although that, no, that's packaged as a surprise, isn't it, later on?

521
00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:32.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

522
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:33.000
Yeah.

523
00:33:33.059 --> 00:33:34.559
So we get Kidama here.

524
00:33:34.619 --> 00:33:37.140
We get the Rajenko's, but they're not mentioned by name.

525
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.619
We get that he has a foster brother, that they're farmers on the planet Gold.

526
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:42.599
All of that stuff is mentioned.

527
00:33:42.660 --> 00:33:44.039
It was an act of kindness.

528
00:33:44.099 --> 00:33:51.660
He was a Starfleet officer who, uh, who, um, you know, brought me up when I was the only survivor of Kidamar.

529
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:53.039
Rick Berman's right in this scene.

530
00:33:53.099 --> 00:33:55.140
And he goes, you've got that synopsis about Wolf, right?

531
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:56.039
Let's get it all in.

532
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:56.519
Yeah, yeah.

533
00:33:56.579 --> 00:33:57.420
Well, that's it.

534
00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:58.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

535
00:33:58.200 --> 00:33:59.400
So we've got to get it all in.

536
00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:00.240
We'll get it all in.

537
00:34:00.299 --> 00:34:00.960
And that's fine.

538
00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:03.180
That is fine and that is productive.

539
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:04.319
It goes places.

540
00:34:04.380 --> 00:34:05.279
It leads to things.

541
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:10.320
In a scene where 2 characters are trying to understand each other as well.

542
00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:11.699
So it kind of works, you know?

543
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

544
00:34:13.860 --> 00:34:15.119
But what's super interesting?

545
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:23.880
It's not like Tashi going, oh, I was running from the rape gangs and just declaring her backstory in a dreadfully melodramatic way.

546
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:34.920
So what happens is, of course, that that's bookended by another speech where Worf tells Chorus what it is to be a Klingon at the end.

547
00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:38.099
And I think that's really properly called all along.

548
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:41.760
Worf had a better idea of what it meant to be a Klingon.

549
00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:51.539
Can I ask, then, if, uh, the idea here is to have us at peace with the Klingons and they really sort of lean into this.

550
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:55.139
Why then do they backtrack on that with Way of the Warrior?

551
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:55.980
Do you reckon?

552
00:34:56.340 --> 00:35:17.880
Um, Well, because this show, you know, is about the Federation flagship going from place to place, solving space problems, doing diplomatic things, helping, you know, like generally it's not a show about war or conflict that is a show about, you know, the Federation.

553
00:35:17.940 --> 00:35:22.440
Um, making connections in a way.

554
00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:26.579
Um, and then Deep Space 9 does the most shocking thing.

555
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:29.639
It can imagine, which is reversing that, don't you think?

556
00:35:29.699 --> 00:35:36.059
Like, I think it's like this is the big thing that happens between TOS and TNG and we're going to reverse it.

557
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:37.739
That's how serious things are.

558
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:41.519
And of course, it gives war for thing to do when he arrives on the show.

559
00:35:41.579 --> 00:35:46.860
So it's it's no coincidence that that happens when war for rhymes.

560
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:48.719
I ask you so that I can tell you.

561
00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:51.420
Because I know they're behind the scenes.

562
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:51.900
Well, no, no.

563
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.679
The thing is, since they wanted a ratings boost and they wanted Michael Dawn on the show.

564
00:35:55.679 --> 00:36:06.420
And so they completely changed the direction their arcs were going into to give a reason for him to be on there as a Klingon expert because suddenly we're at all the Klingons.

565
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:14.760
But then they realise, my God, that is a great tagline for series 4, episode one of DS9, and you know, we're at war with the Klingons.

566
00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:18.239
Big, you know, special effects battle sequences and all of this.

567
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:20.699
So, I think it was a savvy move.

568
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:26.400
At that point, I mean, because by the end of TNG, these Klingon episodes get very dreary indeed.

569
00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:27.420
Yeah I agree.

570
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.059
So see how they shoot the screen?

571
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:33.119
Like they haven't quite landed on the idea.

572
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:33.719
Yeah.

573
00:36:33.780 --> 00:36:43.619
Yeah, because when you shoot the screen on the angle now, the person on the screen is on the angle as well, as if it's sort of three-dimensional and they're looking out.

574
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:48.300
You know, it's flat, but, you know, you could have 2 actors facing one another.

575
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:51.000
That was how they eventually land on shooting the screen.

576
00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:53.579
Um, and I think that's better.

577
00:36:53.639 --> 00:37:08.280
You know, when people do sort of one-man dramatic pieces in a theatre, you know, and they've just got black drapes around them, a spotlight above and then a little bit of dry ass, that's exactly how that Klingon was shot then on the viewscreen, you know, like he was in the stage play.

578
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:15.719
But it's how chorus, like when we saw the 3 Klingons on the, you know, they were before a black background as well.

579
00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:18.780
When he sits down, he goes, is my a dramatic spotlight?

580
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:19.260
Yeah, good.

581
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:19.559
Right.

582
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:20.099
Okay.

583
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:21.239
I'm on the screen.

584
00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:22.679
They don't want to build a set.

585
00:37:22.739 --> 00:37:25.380
They don't want to build a Klingon bridge set.

586
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:28.800
No, they're just fucking drama queens, you know?

587
00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:29.699
Yeah, yeah.

588
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:30.599
Maybe that's it.

589
00:37:30.659 --> 00:37:32.099
How dramatic do I look?

590
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:33.480
All right.

591
00:37:33.539 --> 00:37:34.800
So there are a lot of men.

592
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:36.000
Oh boy.

593
00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:37.199
I'm Tasha y'all.

594
00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:52.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah You remember when I said to you in Skin of Evil, that this loathsome character was the worst thing about series one of TNG, and then you went on to list all the other characters as well. and saying they're all equally to blame.

595
00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:58.199
I feel this scene does sort of exemplify just how bad it is.

596
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.260
And it's not Denise Crosby's fault.

597
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:02.880
We saw in yesterday's Enterprise.

598
00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:05.280
She absolutely can deliver good work.

599
00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:06.900
Yeah, yeah.

600
00:38:06.900 --> 00:38:09.960
When they give her good things to do, but they just make her so over the top.

601
00:38:10.019 --> 00:38:12.780
She reacts so medramatically to everything.

602
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:13.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

603
00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:15.480
You know, this little girl comes out.

604
00:38:15.539 --> 00:38:17.400
She's like, go back.

605
00:38:17.460 --> 00:38:19.500
And then the Klingon picks her up.

606
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:24.179
I'm not entirely sure why, if I'm honest, but her 1st reaction is threatening her.

607
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:25.440
I don't think he is.

608
00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:29.159
Well, he's not holding her in a especially threatening way, is he?

609
00:38:29.219 --> 00:38:43.800
Well, I don't know what the script wants, but this happens immediately after the reveal that they're wanted Kleon criminals and renegades, um, and that they've, you know, killed everyone.

610
00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:44.880
Look at that woman's hair.

611
00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:46.440
Look at the mother's hair.

612
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.320
I've got off lightly in the hairdressing department.

613
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:54.239
She's so, period.

614
00:38:54.300 --> 00:38:55.079
It's wonderful.

615
00:38:55.139 --> 00:38:57.840
She just looks so fabulously late 80s.

616
00:38:57.900 --> 00:39:03.900
The 1st reaction is to call the bridge and go, we've got a hostage situation here, captain, just after he picks her up.

617
00:39:04.019 --> 00:39:06.840
Yeah, yeah, but they've come to arrest them.

618
00:39:06.900 --> 00:39:08.400
I know, put them in...

619
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:09.719
Hostage drama 101.

620
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:13.619
You know, do not exacerbate the situation. is exactly what she's doing.

621
00:39:13.980 --> 00:39:15.840
Yeah, yeah.

622
00:39:15.900 --> 00:39:20.460
Well, she goes, I thought we might have had a problem for a moment and Wolf goes, oh.

623
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:22.199
He's me in this scene.

624
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.500
Well, that's kind of interesting, isn't it?

625
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:26.940
Because he's sort of underplaying it.

626
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:28.079
There's nothing very much here.

627
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:43.559
But people do start to be a bit weirdly racist about him, and I don't, like, around him, and I'm not sure whether that's intentional, and certainly you get that with Tasha there, and I do wonder that Pecan's reaction to the death scream is a bit like that too.

628
00:39:43.619 --> 00:39:47.820
It's not, they're not sophisticated enough to make it subtle.

629
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:49.920
Oh, it's all a bit in your face.

630
00:39:49.980 --> 00:39:54.960
It's actually done better in season 7 of DS9 Chimaera.

631
00:39:55.019 --> 00:39:57.599
Do you remember when that other changing comes onto the one of the 100s?

632
00:39:57.599 --> 00:39:58.559
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

633
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:00.900
And he's behaving in appalling ways.

634
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:09.360
And suddenly everybody's aware, oh, actually Odo isn't like us, but it's all done subtly with body language and things like that, you know.

635
00:40:09.420 --> 00:40:12.000
They're just better writers.

636
00:40:12.059 --> 00:40:13.500
That's that's the difference.

637
00:40:13.619 --> 00:40:14.280
They're better right.

638
00:40:14.340 --> 00:40:18.599
Well, they've got better over the years too, doing Star Trek on television, I think.

639
00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:20.940
So we don't have the brig yet.

640
00:40:21.059 --> 00:40:24.059
No, where do we put people then, in their quarters?

641
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:37.139
No, so it's called security, but it's not the bridge set, and it just seems to, it's not the brig set, and it just seems to give onto a corridor, you know, just like a nondescript corridor.

642
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:41.099
And so when they escape, there's, you know, they just head off into an enterprise corridor.

643
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:45.900
The brig said, I don't think it's shown until the hunted.

644
00:40:46.619 --> 00:40:49.260
Oh, as late as that, season three.

645
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:51.119
I think so.

646
00:40:51.179 --> 00:40:52.440
I think so.

647
00:40:52.500 --> 00:41:00.780
Have we gone past a bit yet where Tashia is standing at the console going, sir, shall I go and help them out or shall I stay here at my console?

648
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:02.760
No, I think that's a bit later.

649
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:04.679
I don't think I...

650
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:06.119
Should I do security?

651
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:08.400
Am I doing security or am I doing tactical?

652
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:15.059
I'm the only person that can look at these blobs on this console or can these 3 people behind me doing nothing, do that instead?

653
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:22.679
I don't know why they can't pick them up on the ship and transport them now.

654
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.500
Can they transport them from inside the thing?

655
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:26.460
Do you know what?

656
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:28.380
They're so stiff.

657
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:32.820
Look at frakes and look at uh, Patrick Stewart.

658
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:33.239
Yeah, yeah.

659
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:40.139
Like, just, I mean, that is one thing that improves later on, is they're just more relaxed in those uniforms in those sets.

660
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:51.840
I think I like this bit, though, because, you know, like he's already been expressing reservations, but God's been expressing reservations about, oh yeah, look at that makeup there.

661
00:41:51.900 --> 00:41:53.280
Like you can see...

662
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:54.059
No, there's some clothes.

663
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:57.300
There's some close-ups where you can really see it slipping down, but the line.

664
00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:57.960
Yeah, yeah.

665
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:03.360
But, you know, like, and Picard just says, yes, you can speak.

666
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:10.079
And it, like this is more than he said, isn't it, in any of the kind of 19 previous episodes?

667
00:42:10.139 --> 00:42:14.880
Yes, he just sort of stands there, cops all going, in a few episodes.

668
00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:15.840
Yeah, yeah.

669
00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:16.559
Or being wrong.

670
00:42:16.619 --> 00:42:20.519
But I don't think they really know what to do with him for quite some time.

671
00:42:20.579 --> 00:42:24.840
You know, we've had this great idea of having to Klingon on the ship.

672
00:42:24.900 --> 00:42:28.739
But, you know, if we've got an action scene, we'll throw him in that until we figure him out.

673
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:33.239
There is that wonderful thing.

674
00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:38.579
Remember that scene in Data Law, where he's in the lift with Law, who beats the shit out of him?

675
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:39.659
Oh, really?

676
00:42:39.659 --> 00:42:41.699
It's unforgettable.

677
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:42.960
Oh wow, I say it's unforgettable.

678
00:42:43.019 --> 00:42:44.579
You've forgotten about it. can't remember it.

679
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:49.980
Come on now, you've been talking too long. need a bit of action.

680
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:52.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

681
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.920
I like this conversation though, and I do like this guy.

682
00:42:55.980 --> 00:43:04.679
Like the, the Klingon on the, on, so that shot is taken from, um, uh, one of the films, I think, the motion picture.

683
00:43:04.739 --> 00:43:05.820
What, the ship?

684
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:06.900
Yeah.

685
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.539
I love the design of the Klingon ships.

686
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:17.159
And later on, when obviously CGI gets to that standard and you've got them swooping into the atmosphere, it's a planet, I think.

687
00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:20.880
It's a really dynamic design for an action sequence.

688
00:43:20.940 --> 00:43:24.119
Do you remember that bit where they swoop in in sacrifice of angels and save the day?

689
00:43:24.179 --> 00:43:26.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

690
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:26.820
Yeah.

691
00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:32.760
So this ropey fucking blaster that they're assembling.

692
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.780
It's like a parody of a Bond movie, isn't it?

693
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:40.260
You know, where it's very, it's very wobbly.

694
00:43:40.380 --> 00:43:45.119
The pencilled a scar case that it's just everything has got on him.

695
00:43:45.179 --> 00:43:47.820
It's a very wobbly prop.

696
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.420
Look, even as he takes it in his hands, it's sort of bending.

697
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:52.739
It's got stained glass in the middle.

698
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:54.900
I don't know what that is.

699
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:56.159
It is very strange, isn't it?

700
00:43:56.219 --> 00:43:57.239
belt buckles, right?

701
00:43:57.300 --> 00:43:58.679
Now, look, now we're moving.

702
00:43:58.739 --> 00:43:59.760
We've got some action going.

703
00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:01.739
Yeah, now we get some action, which is great.

704
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:06.719
And we get these glorious scenes in engineering, which I just...

705
00:44:06.780 --> 00:44:08.760
But look at the way that you get.

706
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:11.820
Remember the phaser, like on their back, like it goes through them?

707
00:44:11.820 --> 00:44:13.800
And then you see...

708
00:44:13.860 --> 00:44:15.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

709
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:16.260
Can you hear us?

710
00:44:16.260 --> 00:44:17.639
I'll be getting phaser into him.

711
00:44:17.699 --> 00:44:19.260
Yeah, awesome.

712
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:26.519
But look at the back, you know, and just all of the, like, just the circles and stuff, you know, like, it's a fun effect.

713
00:44:26.579 --> 00:44:27.420
It looks really great.

714
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:32.340
The beam has got some girth to it, if you'll pardon the expression.

715
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:33.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

716
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:36.659
And when they hit people, huge sparks fly out of their check.

717
00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:37.619
You know?

718
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:39.900
It's like a, it's something physical, isn't it?

719
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:41.099
Yeah.

720
00:44:41.099 --> 00:44:42.059
It's so late.

721
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:47.280
We watched descent. and they're having phaser fights with a Borg and it was so boring.

722
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:48.840
No, yeah.

723
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:53.340
Hiding behind consoles coming out, shooting, no beams.

724
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:56.280
Going back. tedious.

725
00:44:57.420 --> 00:45:00.059
There'll be a short delay, Captain.

726
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:04.139
Well, send him over in a minute.

727
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:05.219
We just got to round them up.

728
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:06.300
They're on the rum.

729
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:11.519
I don't know why they can't, we haven't kind of decided that we can do site to site transport.

730
00:45:11.579 --> 00:45:20.340
You know, we kind of need the transporter room, although, you know, transport them to the transporter room and then transport them to the ship, but they might work that out.

731
00:45:20.340 --> 00:45:22.679
That's more for them, Maurice Holey, if I'm honest.

732
00:45:23.340 --> 00:45:25.199
Oh, look at that.

733
00:45:25.260 --> 00:45:28.079
She's wearing those skirts, look, that lady.

734
00:45:28.139 --> 00:45:32.760
Two of them are, the 2 of them, and they, yeah, so, so.

735
00:45:33.059 --> 00:45:54.059
So you said that Rob Bowman moves the action up to the top floor of, because they've got this big set that has these floors and the glass floors and stuff, but the script is still saying that he's training his weapon on the dilithium crystal chamber, which is, of course, the round thing on ground level.

736
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.599
Uh, but they haven't really established any of that yet.

737
00:45:57.659 --> 00:45:59.519
And clearly Rob Bowman doesn't care.

738
00:45:59.579 --> 00:46:04.139
So he, you know, because it's more important to get some sort of dynamic shot.

739
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.860
I think they do this again the following year in the schizoid man, don't they?

740
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.500
Where they use these levels of the...

741
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:15.119
You never get a shot, though, like him falling down and cracking into that glass.

742
00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:17.940
Yeah, that is pretty great. so dramatic.

743
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:23.400
That's the sort of thing where in later years they go, well, we can't really do that to the set.

744
00:46:23.460 --> 00:46:24.480
We need it again next week.

745
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:30.840
At the moment, they don't know how many episodes I got left, really, you know, like just smash them up.

746
00:46:30.900 --> 00:46:33.719
And I think you see some blood as well, some blood on the glass.

747
00:46:33.780 --> 00:46:34.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

748
00:46:34.739 --> 00:46:35.639
Which is great.

749
00:46:35.699 --> 00:46:38.940
That's a really unusual shot of the Enterprise there from...

750
00:46:38.940 --> 00:46:40.139
Yeah, yeah, it is, isn't it?

751
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:41.760
sort of below the range.

752
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:46.079
Tasha, yeah, come along now.

753
00:46:46.139 --> 00:46:48.300
Odo would have had them rounded up by now.

754
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:52.380
She's decided that they're just going to stand there and wait till he gets bored.

755
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:54.300
Like, you know what I mean?

756
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:55.920
He'll just get bored.

757
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:58.800
I'd love a scene of him just shouting out, I'm not coming down, you know.

758
00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:06.300
Oh, thank you for spelling us out.

759
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:08.880
Yeah, obviously, we've got to shoot the dilation chamber.

760
00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:09.300
Thank you.

761
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:12.300
That would destroy the Enterprise, as you know, Bob.

762
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:13.320
Yes, he knows.

763
00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:13.980
I know.

764
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:17.219
Every time you say, as you know, Bob.

765
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:17.940
I laugh.

766
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:22.320
It's because they do it a lot in 90s.

767
00:47:22.380 --> 00:47:23.579
They do.

768
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:24.420
It is a thing.

769
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:25.739
Oh, this is nice.

770
00:47:25.739 --> 00:47:28.380
I do like, you know, this is what we've been leading up to.

771
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:33.239
Wharf this final confrontation. trying to convince him to do the right thing.

772
00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:51.659
Yeah, yeah, but the thing is, you know, that this is someone who can't live with the new thing where they're allies, where they're friends and allies, and he needs there to be war, and they go back and they, you know, that's what they do with Kirk, don't they?

773
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:52.739
in Star Trek six.

774
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.559
You know, it still feels that way.

775
00:47:55.619 --> 00:47:57.239
The warriors of Kling.

776
00:47:57.300 --> 00:47:58.980
Kling, yeah.

777
00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:00.780
I don't say Kling very often, do they?

778
00:48:00.900 --> 00:48:01.559
No.

779
00:48:01.619 --> 00:48:10.920
I looked it up on memory, Alpha, and memory, Alpha, obviously, rec concert is another way of saying Kono, Kronos, you know, but Kling, I think, is pretty great.

780
00:48:10.980 --> 00:48:15.960
Well, it's like the guy in trials and tribulation, so he calls the Klingon language Klingon E, you know.

781
00:48:16.019 --> 00:48:18.300
It's just no one ever calls it that.

782
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:19.139
What are we talking about?

783
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:28.380
I like the fact that you have, you know, a glorious job educating the youth of today, you know, in dead languages and wonderful sophisticated things going on in your life.

784
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:34.199
But there's still time to go on memory alpha to find out how many references of the word cling you can find.

785
00:48:34.260 --> 00:48:35.699
Kling, yeah, yeah, yeah.

786
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:37.739
You're a very multifacety person, you know.

787
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:43.260
See, yeah, I think this is good.

788
00:48:43.380 --> 00:48:45.480
There's a great performance from Vaughan Armstrong.

789
00:48:45.539 --> 00:48:46.500
He is really killing it here.

790
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:49.440
But I think bringing it upstairs was a good move.

791
00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:50.340
Yeah, oh, yeah.

792
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:53.340
If they were just downstairs on those boring carpets.

793
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:54.059
You know?

794
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:55.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

795
00:48:55.619 --> 00:48:58.139
Well, just even the flashing warp core and stuff.

796
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.920
I mean, they could have just changed it to the warp core, fire at the warp core.

797
00:49:01.980 --> 00:49:03.360
But the money shot is full, isn't it?

798
00:49:03.420 --> 00:49:04.559
And you just wouldn't have that, I was.

799
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:04.920
Yeah.

800
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:13.380
But this is the speech, isn't it, where Worf says that the real challenge is where a warrior must overcome.

801
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:14.159
Yeah, yeah.

802
00:49:14.219 --> 00:49:15.179
Do you know what I mean?

803
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:18.000
And it's sort of cheesy, but it is him stating his philosophy.

804
00:49:18.059 --> 00:49:23.400
We're getting a little bit of what he thinks about and what it means to him to be a Klingon.

805
00:49:23.460 --> 00:49:26.099
You know, that it is internal.

806
00:49:26.099 --> 00:49:31.019
And that the duty on a loyalty thing is a thing that will come up later, isn't it?

807
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:32.940
Like that's a warrior.

808
00:49:32.940 --> 00:49:33.719
It's nothing.

809
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:39.780
But isn't that where we land where we finally go with the Klingon stories?

810
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:48.840
They we discover that the Klingons have forgotten duty honour and loyalty and that's summed up in tacking into the wind.

811
00:49:48.900 --> 00:49:49.320
Exactly.

812
00:49:49.380 --> 00:50:01.019
But also the same speech at the end of, um, since, uh, not since the father at the end of, Well, you know, like at the end of what's a phase at the end of. so fucking refreshing that someone calls it out, you know?

813
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:03.000
Oh, look at that.

814
00:50:03.059 --> 00:50:04.320
That is great.

815
00:50:04.380 --> 00:50:05.159
Yes.

816
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:05.820
Woo hoo.

817
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:08.460
He lands with a crack.

818
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:09.780
There's glass flying.

819
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:10.980
There's blood spray.

820
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:15.300
Yeah, the glassy lands on cracks. do that later on.

821
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:16.800
No, no.

822
00:50:16.860 --> 00:50:18.239
It's really good, isn't it?

823
00:50:18.300 --> 00:50:20.579
To quote the red dwarf joke again.

824
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:22.559
It would be like, are you sure, director?

825
00:50:22.619 --> 00:50:24.239
It does mean rebuilding the set?

826
00:50:24.300 --> 00:50:25.559
Yeah.

827
00:50:25.619 --> 00:50:28.860
But, and this too.

828
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:29.880
Do you know what I mean?

829
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:39.420
Like, because what he's done is he has given Chorus the opportunity to die in battle, you know, like he doesn't have to go off.

830
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:43.739
He doesn't have to leave in a world where he's an ally to the federation.

831
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:45.239
He gets to die honourably.

832
00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:51.059
But the funny thing is like, no, that is so shit.

833
00:50:51.179 --> 00:50:53.099
Rob Bowman, wake up yourself.

834
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.340
The one with the successive, you know, the camera.

835
00:50:56.400 --> 00:51:00.719
Get moving further and cutting and cutting and cutting and cutting until he's just in the distance.

836
00:51:00.780 --> 00:51:02.099
Just like, you cheesy.

837
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:02.699
This is drama.

838
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:04.139
This is drama.

839
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:05.519
What the hell?

840
00:51:05.579 --> 00:51:12.239
But, you know, he kills someone in sins of the father and he gets chewed out.

841
00:51:12.300 --> 00:51:16.559
He gets in trouble, but here it's just like, oh, yeah, he killed that guy.

842
00:51:16.619 --> 00:51:20.159
It's fine, you know, like whatever. fine line, though, isn't it?

843
00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:21.059
I wanted to talk about that.

844
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:21.960
I wasn't quite sure where.

845
00:51:22.019 --> 00:51:29.519
So I'm glad you're given this opening. of like him being a Klingon on the ship and being allowed to behave like a Klingon.

846
00:51:29.699 --> 00:51:34.019
And scenes of the Picard basically go and swim. you know what?

847
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:39.119
There's only so far you be a Klingon on this ship and you need to start behaving more like a human.

848
00:51:39.179 --> 00:51:41.099
And we do have a few scenes like that as well.

849
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.440
And I don't think they really land anywhere with it.

850
00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:54.539
No, but here they have a, they've decided that's not going to be a thing, but, you know, it is telling that just a few years later he's being told off for behaving like exactly like this.

851
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:56.579
He goes on the ship and kill someone.

852
00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:59.099
As ever, I prefer the DS9 approach.

853
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:04.860
When Wolf decides to stab his brother because he wants to commit suicide in Sons of Mogue.

854
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:08.099
Cisco just goes, get him in the fucking brig, all right?

855
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:09.960
Psychopath.

856
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:13.980
I love this line.

857
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:15.780
I laughed out loud at this line.

858
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:19.440
Everyone's looking at him after he says, I would like to...

859
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:21.900
Look at that, yeah.

860
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:25.260
Oh boy, it's nearly over his eyes there.

861
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:27.480
I know, but this is the end of the day.

862
00:52:27.539 --> 00:52:28.920
Yeah.

863
00:52:28.980 --> 00:52:30.599
So that, but that's a funny line.

864
00:52:30.659 --> 00:52:36.300
You know, he says, oh, yes, you know, I would very much like Captain to, you know, after my tour of duty on the Enterprise is over.

865
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:44.880
I would very much like to serve on the Klingon ship and then they're both just looking at him as he walks off and he goes, I was just trying to be polite, which I just think is so funny.

866
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:48.840
It's all about being Klingon.

867
00:52:49.739 --> 00:52:53.219
I mean, I just think it was a bit laboured.

868
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:56.159
I always feel like TNG comedy is a bit laboured.

869
00:52:56.219 --> 00:52:59.219
Yeah, yeah, but I don't think that that's not a comedy.

870
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:06.599
That's not a doodle, doo, doo, doo, sort of end of episode comedy thing, like we would have had. not as bad as that little girl in disaster at the end.

871
00:53:06.659 --> 00:53:07.739
No, you're right.

872
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:09.420
That's adorable.

873
00:53:10.500 --> 00:53:20.639
Although, I mean, we have gone to the lengths in series one. of having a joke and people literally going, thank God we didn't do that.

874
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:32.400
But no, but I thought I thought that was a properly funny thing because it was thematically consistent with what was going on in the episode and it was playing with, you know, his wharf Klingon.

875
00:53:32.460 --> 00:53:34.320
Is he, you know, how human is he?

876
00:53:34.380 --> 00:53:34.920
that kind of thing.

877
00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:36.360
I was just trying to be polite.

878
00:53:36.420 --> 00:53:38.579
It's a very weird thing for Cleon to say.

879
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:39.179
It's great.

880
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:43.079
And that episode is sort of revving the engine of that, isn't it?

881
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:46.380
Where is Wharf with the Klingon people?

882
00:53:46.440 --> 00:54:03.360
It's not really got anything huge to say about it, but then we would go on to have a, well, in fact, what was nice about that episode wasn't really the episode itself, about how it gave us a chance to talk about how this stuff runs and runs and the various ways they explore it.

883
00:54:03.420 --> 00:54:06.119
And clearly there's there's legs here.

884
00:54:06.179 --> 00:54:11.820
Like, you know, they, there are what, 20, 30 Klingon episodes between now and the end of Enterprise?

885
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:13.139
That's a season.

886
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:22.199
Yeah, I mean, I mean, the funny thing is, though, I think that that next year, the Kleon episode focusses on Riker.

887
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:24.300
Brilliant for it, though.

888
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:27.960
It is, it's one of the best episodes of that terrible season.

889
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:31.559
The only character that could possibly serve on a Klingon ship.

890
00:54:31.619 --> 00:54:32.940
Oh man, William Riker.

891
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:34.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

892
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.440
They should have gotten a bit where he shoves the Klingon into the wall.

893
00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:39.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

894
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:40.320
It's great.

895
00:54:40.380 --> 00:54:48.719
It's a really, really good episode, but it does sound like, you know, they're kind of going, all right, we've done the episode about wharf interacting with other Klingons.

896
00:54:48.780 --> 00:54:58.260
Let's do something else, and then Ron Moore hits early on the thing that, like, just becomes deep size 9's normal motors operanda, doesn't it?

897
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:11.400
Where you have alien characters and we have the Ferengi episode, the Changeling episode, the, you know, the trill episode, basically every year where their high concept gets played with and examined and stuff.

898
00:55:11.460 --> 00:55:14.519
And so more starts that, but not really until series 3.

899
00:55:14.699 --> 00:55:17.940
It's no surprise they ran with these Klingon episodes, though.

900
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:19.920
Like look at the 1st 3 there.

901
00:55:19.980 --> 00:55:23.219
Heart of Glory, Matt of Honour, and the Emissary.

902
00:55:23.340 --> 00:55:26.159
And that's 3 of the highlights of the 1st 2 years.

903
00:55:26.219 --> 00:55:27.539
There's something here.

904
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:28.380
There's some magic here.

905
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:37.559
What, the unfortunate thing is, is then they start painting out that civilisation in agonising detail at times.

906
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:42.480
And you get something like the 2nd half of birthright, you know, where Worf goes looking for his dad.

907
00:55:42.539 --> 00:55:44.880
And oh, it's just so boring.

908
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:46.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

909
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:47.400
Yeah.

910
00:55:47.460 --> 00:55:49.440
Yeah, there are diminishing returns.

911
00:55:49.500 --> 00:55:50.519
It doesn't last too long.

912
00:55:50.579 --> 00:55:54.539
I think maybe even redemption's pushing it a bit.

913
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:58.079
But there's a lot of other stuff going on in redemption as well, isn't there?

914
00:55:58.139 --> 00:55:59.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

915
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:04.079
Yeah, particularly in part two, where only half of it is about the Klingon thing.

916
00:56:04.139 --> 00:56:12.119
It's so interesting to go back as well and see early Michael Dorm. especially after we've seen the wonderful things he does elsewhere. you know.

917
00:56:12.179 --> 00:56:18.420
You remember the fabulous line he had about drinking the tea in the house, the survivors, which it's only like 2 seasons away.

918
00:56:18.539 --> 00:56:20.639
But so they very quickly learn.

919
00:56:20.699 --> 00:56:23.880
Actually, this man can do more than grunt and hold a phaser.

920
00:56:23.940 --> 00:56:27.900
Yeah, which is nice. and say cheesy dialogue.

921
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:35.159
I mean, you know, the speech about the fight being internal and stuff like that is barely wrote.

922
00:56:35.219 --> 00:56:35.940
Do you know what I mean?

923
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.579
It's not that exciting and he's doing okay with it.

924
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:49.440
But like no one at this point in the show is kind of covering themselves in glory, not even Patrick Stewart, really, you know, it's still all a bit rough and a bit embryonic, I think.

925
00:56:49.500 --> 00:56:55.860
Well, what's interesting about Dawn is he starts off as this character they do not know what to do with.

926
00:56:55.920 --> 00:57:02.280
And he ultimately becomes, oh, we're going to bring this character across to save another show.

927
00:57:02.820 --> 00:57:08.099
He's so been taken to the heart of everybody. you know, and that's him doing all the work.

928
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:09.780
I don't know, Ryan's part of it is probably.

929
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:13.139
If he wasn't as charismatic and as funny as he is, as well.

930
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.659
Then they certainly wouldn't have chosen him for that.

931
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:21.420
And then what happens is, you know, everyone goes, oh, DS9 sold out, wharf's going over there.

932
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:28.800
And it was like gangbusters because suddenly he's another outcast, like they're all outcasts on DS9.

933
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:33.420
And, you know, spends a whole season going, well, I don't want to be here, this miserable place.

934
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:35.159
You know, I'm going to live on the defiant.

935
00:57:35.219 --> 00:57:41.340
And then eventually settles in, has a wonderful romance with Jazia, lots of interesting things going on with his character.

936
00:57:41.340 --> 00:57:54.000
And then to just a piece, the resistance, the cherry on the Sunday, to top it all off, that moment where he turned up again in series 3 of Picard, you know?

937
00:57:54.059 --> 00:57:56.039
And I was punching a gun.

938
00:57:56.099 --> 00:57:57.360
Yes, is...

939
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.420
And they did that whole thing about him dying.

940
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:01.679
I was like, 0 no.

941
00:58:01.739 --> 00:58:02.820
What are they doing?

942
00:58:04.019 --> 00:58:06.360
Of course it was fake.

943
00:58:06.420 --> 00:58:12.659
It's worth mentioning that he is the actor who has done more Star Trek than anyone else.

944
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:15.420
You wouldn't be able to tell that at this point, would you?

945
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:16.739
No, but he would be.

946
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:17.460
But there you go.

947
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:18.059
Yeah.

948
00:58:18.059 --> 00:58:19.739
So hurrah for wharf.

949
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:20.579
Exactly.

950
00:58:28.260 --> 00:58:39.840
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is my turn to pick, and I have decided to do what I think I've done before fairly recently.

951
00:58:39.900 --> 00:58:42.659
You're about to do what I think you're about to do.

952
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:45.539
You've actually done it quite a few times fairly recently.

953
00:58:45.659 --> 00:58:50.280
It's always been you choosing Enterprise, if you're about to choose Enterprise.

954
00:58:50.340 --> 00:58:52.199
I really want to choose it.

955
00:58:52.260 --> 00:58:54.420
You are obsessed, man.

956
00:58:55.500 --> 00:58:58.440
Do you not remember what bees on the voyages?

957
00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:00.179
Yeah, I thought it was all right.

958
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.739
Well, I hope for your choice.

959
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:06.300
You get something truly ghastly.

960
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:07.199
Okay.

961
00:59:07.260 --> 00:59:07.739
All right.

962
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:08.519
I'm sure to.

963
00:59:09.059 --> 00:59:10.800
That's going to happen.

964
00:59:10.980 --> 00:59:16.199
I'm sorry, in his favour. that's right Okay, here goes.

965
00:59:17.219 --> 00:59:23.579
Your random Star Trek episode is Terra Nova season one, episode six.

966
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:26.639
Oh, I don't know a thing about that.

967
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:29.400
Do you want to do Season one?

968
00:59:29.460 --> 00:59:30.360
No.

969
00:59:30.420 --> 00:59:32.460
And it means it just means new earth, right?

970
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:33.119
I don't know.

971
00:59:33.179 --> 00:59:42.179
I think that's supposed to be the only, and I'd say this with some weight, the only episode that, uh, not Mayweather.

972
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:42.900
What's his name?

973
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:43.320
The pilot.

974
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:45.719
Oh, yeah, yeah. don't even know his name.

975
00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:47.460
This is a problem.

976
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:48.719
Is that his name?

977
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:53.579
Travis, I think that's the only episode that's about him.

978
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:56.820
Oh, okay. the entire run.

979
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:58.860
It's very so embarrassing.

980
00:59:58.920 --> 00:59:59.340
All right.

981
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:03.960
We've rolled this before, and I think maybe we do it.

982
01:00:04.019 --> 01:00:06.300
It's Carbon Creek.

983
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:09.659
Oh, yeah, interesting choice.

984
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:11.460
From a Klingon episode to a Vulcan episode.

985
01:00:11.579 --> 01:00:12.960
What do you think?

986
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:18.000
I watched Carbon Creek about 2 years ago.

987
01:00:18.059 --> 01:00:29.280
I had never seen it before, and I think on my blog, I gave it 4 stars out of 5, and I remember it just being very light, but just really enjoyable.

988
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:36.300
And Jolene Blaylock gets to do interesting things because it's set in the past, I think.

989
01:00:36.300 --> 01:00:37.860
Yeah, yeah.

990
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:42.960
Like in the 20th century or something or the like in the like it's contemporary, isn't it?

991
01:00:43.019 --> 01:00:50.760
Yeah, it's not like a, this is gonna wow you, but it was, you know, remarkably competent for an episode of Enterprise.

992
01:00:51.059 --> 01:00:53.639
Yeah, I think I want to do something worse.

993
01:00:55.679 --> 01:00:58.619
You want something worse than competent.

994
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:01.559
Actually, this is kind of interesting.

995
01:01:01.619 --> 01:01:02.820
This could be good.

996
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:09.300
And again, it's one part of one of the series 4 3 parties.

997
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:13.199
We are avoiding early enterprise, though, you know, a lot at the moment.

998
01:01:13.260 --> 01:01:18.780
Yeah, but this is season four, episode five, cold station 12.

999
01:01:19.019 --> 01:01:21.059
Oh, it's the best of the 3 as well.

1000
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:22.079
Yeah, yeah.

1001
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:24.659
I think I think you should push it again.

1002
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:29.280
Because I think I think we should do something really terrible.

1003
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:30.480
Oh really?

1004
01:01:31.019 --> 01:01:33.119
That's a very good episode.

1005
01:01:33.179 --> 01:01:36.239
Yeah, and that's a that's actually a good three-parter.

1006
01:01:36.300 --> 01:01:38.579
I really like it, but we can always roll it again.

1007
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:48.420
Do you remember the style of that free power, the very 1st shot of that CGI Klingon tog going...

1008
01:01:49.139 --> 01:01:50.579
No.

1009
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:55.679
Okay, so this is series season one, episode 9 civilisation.

1010
01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:58.860
Well, I don't know a thing about it.

1011
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:01.679
I mean, do we dare go in blind on something?

1012
01:02:01.860 --> 01:02:11.579
See, I've, I've pulled up Jamma's reviews and he's, he gives it 2.5 stars, which means it's as good as BAM.

1013
01:02:11.699 --> 01:02:15.179
And he describes it like this.

1014
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:24.900
Members of the Enterprise crew go undercover to explore the world of a pre-warp society and Archer is drawn into an investigation involving an illness among their people.

1015
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:28.739
It just sounds like...

1016
01:02:30.539 --> 01:02:34.079
Have ever seen anything like that before?

1017
01:02:34.380 --> 01:02:36.059
No joke.

1018
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.039
What a revelation.

1019
01:02:38.099 --> 01:02:39.719
Unbelievable.

1020
01:02:39.780 --> 01:02:42.239
A disease, you say, my God.

1021
01:02:42.300 --> 01:02:43.920
I push it again.

1022
01:02:43.980 --> 01:02:45.119
Come on, let's do that, okay.

1023
01:02:45.179 --> 01:02:46.619
That's absurd.

1024
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:48.840
Okay, whatever you do now, I'll be this one.

1025
01:02:48.900 --> 01:02:52.199
Probably season three, which we haven't done properly, have we?

1026
01:02:52.260 --> 01:02:52.739
Have we?

1027
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:53.460
Not really.

1028
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:55.500
Not any of the good ones anyway.

1029
01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:59.099
We did one with Rick Worthy as a sort of ape guy, didn't we?

1030
01:02:59.159 --> 01:02:59.699
Did we do that?

1031
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:00.900
That's a thing that happens.

1032
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:04.079
I think I think you watched that one, but we did.

1033
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:04.860
I may have watched that one.

1034
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:05.280
Right.

1035
01:03:05.340 --> 01:03:10.139
So season three, episode 12, Chosen Realm.

1036
01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:14.280
Can you please check Jamara again, please?

1037
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:16.679
I thought you knew these.

1038
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:19.139
Chosen realm.

1039
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:20.519
It's not ringing any bells.

1040
01:03:21.059 --> 01:03:30.059
A group of religious extremists hijacks the enterprise with the intention of using it to destroy their enemies in a century long holy war.

1041
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:33.840
A group of religious extremists, you say.

1042
01:03:33.900 --> 01:03:34.679
My God.

1043
01:03:34.739 --> 01:03:35.820
Sounds great.

1044
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:43.440
I love about enterprises is how they pushed away from everything all the other 90s trek shows did and did entirely original things.

1045
01:03:43.500 --> 01:03:44.940
No, they didn't.

1046
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:47.099
That's just a thing that everyone always does.

1047
01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:51.420
I'm beginning to have 2nd thoughts about this whole idea.

1048
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:55.920
How long can we eat this out for?

1049
01:03:55.920 --> 01:04:00.059
I kind of do want to do a series 3.

1050
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:03.420
I want to do something arkey, you know?

1051
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:07.860
But like heaps of them aren't that arky.

1052
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:08.579
Do you know what I mean?

1053
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:11.579
Like there's all sorts of strange.

1054
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:23.099
Like, it would be interesting to see how they do just a standard dumb Star Trek plot against the background of the arc and how the arc effects, what's going on.

1055
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:38.579
And we've we've only ever done one series 3 episodes, and that was some proving ground, which was a bit arky because that that has Shran, and it has the Zindi, you know, testing weapon and all of that sort of thing.

1056
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:40.139
So we have done that.

1057
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:42.900
I don't know why, you know, we've enterprise.

1058
01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:44.699
Everything just goes in one ear and out the other.

1059
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:47.460
I'll just forget everything. and super forgettable.

1060
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:50.880
But I think we'll go with that, but I've forgotten what it's called already.

1061
01:04:50.940 --> 01:04:52.800
Show me some realm.

1062
01:04:52.860 --> 01:04:54.059
Chosen round.

1063
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:54.539
Perfect.

1064
01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:55.559
Perfect.

1065
01:04:55.619 --> 01:05:01.380
You chose it 3 minutes ago. absolutely unforgettable.

1066
01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:06.719
Well, you've chosen the realm that we're entering and on your own head, be it.

1067
01:05:06.780 --> 01:05:07.500
Okay.

1068
01:05:14.820 --> 01:05:26.400
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1069
01:05:26.460 --> 01:05:32.280
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1070
01:05:32.340 --> 01:05:37.860
This episode was recorded on the 7th of May 2024 and released on the 24th of May.

1071
01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:42.059
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Enterprise, Chosen Realm.

1072
01:06:01.139 --> 01:06:03.360
Fuck, I don't know.

1073
01:06:03.420 --> 01:06:06.300
There just comes a point where you can't keep pressing the button anymore.

1074
01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:08.400
I mean, do you know what I mean?

1075
01:06:08.460 --> 01:06:11.400
Like, at some point we have to do those shitty nondescript ones.

1076
01:06:11.460 --> 01:06:13.860
I just need to remember that asshole.

1077
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:14.699
Do you know?

1078
01:06:14.820 --> 01:06:20.880
Oh, have I put whisper sink, whisper, speak into the thing?

1079
01:06:21.659 --> 01:06:30.119
I'm just sort of thinking, because we're, there's a Star Trek coming out every week now, and so we're now falling back behind, right?

1080
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:38.579
Um, Because, uh, where are we on titled Star Trek Project?

1081
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:42.000
Where are my stats?

1082
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:44.099
Here we go.

1083
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:46.739
Oh no, I don't want stats.

1084
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:47.400
I want coverage.

1085
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:53.219
Um, yeah, because there's new, like there's new discovery coming out every week.

1086
01:06:53.280 --> 01:07:00.539
And so we are still at 12.77% or something roughly like that.

1087
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:07.260
Enterprise is the one with our worst amount of coverage, which is, oh, TNG as well, which is why we keep coming back to it.

1088
01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:14.940
Um, But, you know, we, you know, I don't know, how many episodes of Star Trek are they doing this year?

1089
01:07:14.940 --> 01:07:16.079
Probably only 20.

1090
01:07:16.739 --> 01:07:19.800
Yeah, just the two.

1091
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:21.360
Discovery and Stranger New Wells.

1092
01:07:21.420 --> 01:07:23.940
No, no, no, discovering lower decks.

1093
01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:26.460
I don't think I think Stranger Worlds is in production.

1094
01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:28.800
I don't know that it will make it out this year though.

1095
01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:33.599
I mean, 20 episodes, there's more than 8 that we're getting for Doctor Who.

1096
01:07:33.659 --> 01:07:35.460
Yeah, but we used to get so many.

1097
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:36.360
Do you know what I mean?

1098
01:07:36.420 --> 01:07:41.519
Back in the heyday, where it was Picard and Lower Decks and Discovery and...

1099
01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:46.260
I wonder what the top, the, the year was with the most amount of trek coming out.

1100
01:07:46.380 --> 01:07:47.940
Yeah, that'd be interesting.

1101
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:53.280
I mean, to be fair, at one point you had, um, you know, a movie.

1102
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:57.960
And 48 episodes of 2 shows.

1103
01:07:57.960 --> 01:07:59.159
Yeah, 52 or whatever.

1104
01:07:59.219 --> 01:08:00.599
Yeah.

1105
01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:02.039
Paramount must have been busy then.

1106
01:08:02.099 --> 01:08:04.079
I wonder what happens.

1107
01:08:04.139 --> 01:08:08.400
Like, are we getting like discoveries ending, low decks is ending?

1108
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:09.659
The card is ended.

1109
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:11.219
These have gone on.

1110
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:14.400
Yeah, I wonder if it's just winding down for a bit.

1111
01:08:14.460 --> 01:08:18.239
But I think one, I think maybe just strange new worlds will Klingon.

1112
01:08:18.300 --> 01:08:19.560
Yeah.

1113
01:08:19.619 --> 01:08:20.460
Yeah.

1114
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:22.260
Well, this is series three.

1115
01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:24.119
I mean, it could run for five.

1116
01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:29.640
And maybe that will pass the battle to something else and it will just be a single... don't know.

1117
01:08:29.699 --> 01:08:30.300
I don't know.

1118
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:35.159
They've obviously made a choice for some reason to end all of these.

1119
01:08:35.220 --> 01:08:37.560
Oh, what about what about prodigy?

1120
01:08:37.619 --> 01:08:38.819
When's that coming?

1121
01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:40.439
Because that'll be 20 episodes.

1122
01:08:42.539 --> 01:08:44.460
Is it the last 20?

1123
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:46.920
At the moment.

1124
01:08:46.979 --> 01:08:48.960
Oh, apparently, yeah.

1125
01:08:49.020 --> 01:09:03.180
Well, remember they Paramount Plus didn't pick up Prodigy and it got sold on Netflix and it's definitely coming on Netflix, but then all 20 episodes were released on a French streaming service in French.

1126
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And so, like, and then I haven't heard anything more since.

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But I mean, it is coming to Netflix at some point.

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And I did think it was beautiful.

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Like, I loved...

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Even the sort of slighter ones are exciting to look at.

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How are we on prodigy?

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We're quite ahead, actually.

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Not as ahead as we are on Strange Street Worlds, and...

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Well, we had to do it.

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Um, yeah, well, even more ahead than Deep Season High.

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But yeah, Prodigy might be one to do for a while.