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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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Now, I'm really excited about this one, because this might be one

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of my favourite hours of Star Trek across the whole franchise.

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It's Star Trek, the Next Generation series 5, episode 5. and it's

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called Disaster.

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And I think when it comes to just delivering an hour of TV that's

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incredibly fun to watch, this is very nearly unequalled in the run

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of Star Trek, the next generation.

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And it does a thing, I think, that's really only available to Star

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Trek the Next Generation, which is taking characters that are made

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to be in a procedural and putting them all in sort of odd

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situations and stuff.

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So this is an episode with an A, B, C, D, and E plot.

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Not much time to get bored in this one.

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That's where you skip from one to the other.

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Exactly.

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And, you know, they're all happening in different parts of the

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ship and characters are put in sort of various positions that

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they're not really designed to fulfil.

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And there's just a kind of deft lightness to the whole thing.

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It's terribly enjoyable and not afraid to be a bit silly and I

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think it works really well.

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I think that the director, Gabrielle Beaumont, has something to do

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with that.

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And I had a good look at the episode she directs.

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She does 7 Next Generation's, one DS9 and one Voyager, and on the

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whole, there's maybe one dub there, but you know, you get the

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script you're handed, right?

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Yeah, booby traps in there.

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That's a bit dull.

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That's where she came in.

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But I think the actors respond well to her and the script here and

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everyone's just fucking chilled out for one week, which is really

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nice.

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You always say about the Next Generation's characters having us

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stick up their baths. you know.

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But no one really has in this episode.

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They're all in a situation of extreme peril, utterly absurd

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situations, and half the time.

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I feel as if I'm watching the actors rather than the characters.

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Yeah, which is a lot more fun than watching the characters, if I

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was.

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I mean, because this is a procedural show and the characters are

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basically their jobs.

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We've said this lots of times.

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It's competent people solving space problems.

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Here we have a space problem where they're not really kind of

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suited to dealing with it in all sorts of ways.

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It's a very ambiguous space problem, the quantum filament.

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Yeah we'll get there.

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So what it was originally supposed to be.

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No.

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That originally the Enterprise was going to be bombarded with

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asteroids.

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Oh, yeah, they realised that that was that was going to cause a

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lot of physical effects.

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I didn't want to spend no money.

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So they thought, well, we'll just create a quantum filament, shake

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the camera a bit and turn the lights out and there we go. in our

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dangerous situation.

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Yeah, because I mean, the nature of the dangerous situation is

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absolutely unimportant to the story.

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And what is important is getting to see these characters do things

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that they weren't designed to do.

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They were designed to be in a procedural show here.

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They're put in various fish out of water situations, and they're

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fun and funny, I think.

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And we have 3 kind of regular guest stars as well, augmenting the

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crew in Keiko and Miles, and also in Roe Laren too.

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And they all work really well as well.

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And I always kind of, you know, it always disappoints me that

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there are only sort of 7 or 8 people on the ship and we never get

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to know anyone in Star Trek, the Next Generation, and here, you

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know, we have an expanded cast of people that we know who get to

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be involved in the action.

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It works really well.

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I do feel as hard to bring a semblance of sort of reality to this

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conversation, though, and dismiss this hyperbole that this is one

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of the best ever Star Trek the next generation episodes.

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Because the trouble with having 5 plots is they're kind of ranked

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right?

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As to how effective they are, and I do think 3 of these plots have

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issues.

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One suffers from the curse of the child actor, 3 child actors that

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are just dismal one.

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That's great, unfortunately, and Patrick Stewart's doing a lot of

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the legwork.

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One, where the characters are so thin, they are just stuck talking

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a load of techno babble for the entire episode, apart from a very

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cute scene at the beginning, which I really liked.

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At one where a character kind of has to feel more like a plot

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function than a character because of the direction that plot's

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going in and does a complete reversal at the end in about 5.5

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seconds.

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That feels so unreal sick. it almost sort of does a bit of harm to

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the character.

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I doubt that.

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I don't think that's the case.

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I think that's Ronald D Moore wanting to be much more gum than the

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show wants to be.

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And we'll talk a little bit about that reversal because I think it

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works in context.

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He's the strongest critic of that plot.

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He doesn't like that plot at all.

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I think he's wrong.

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I think that's bad criticism.

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I think there is a good reason why it ends the way that it does.

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I also think too, the child actors are kind of terrible, but that

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that plot is adorable and I don't care.

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And there are one or 2 lines that the kids deliver that I think

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are fantastic. scene where they're on the bridge and Picard's

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winking at him and she's doing her cute look.

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I'm like, this is so fucking broad at this point.

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God's sake.

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That's the other thing too, is that this is a fun and accessible

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hour of TV.

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And even though there is technobabble and stuff.

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It's not that complicated.

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It's all very clear what's going on in that shuttle bay.

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The technopabil's kind of decoration more than anything else.

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And it's very clear what everyone's doing and there are physical

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actions that they perform that have physical consequences.

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And anyone walking in here will know what is happening and will

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see the next generation characters who they've known for a number

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of years now, chilling and being in a fun adventure.

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The whole thing is directed by Gabrielle Beaumont as if it's just

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a normal hour of television rather than space people wandering

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around solving space problems.

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Most of his direction like is a sitcom, right?

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Those glorious scenes with Keiko giving birth at the end.

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Could have come out of any American sitcom at the same time?

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It's very funny.

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Michael Dawn, you know, you can see the relief on his face as he's

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getting to play comedy.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That those 2 are great together.

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It's a really, really good sumplot, I think.

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So if the job of Star Trek is to be entertaining television, this

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is an episode that absolutely does that at a really top level, it's

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not really about anything, and the characters are still thin, but

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what we're getting them to do is material that they don't normally

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get to do, and we allow them to be a little bit more relaxed and a

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little bit more silly than normal.

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And I think that makes for a really memorable and enjoyable hour

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of Star Trek the Next Generation.

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Well, I got a quote here from Jerry Taylor, who talks about fan

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reaction, and she says, I thought some fans thumb their nose at it

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but in a mix of varied stories, it was a good infusion of life.

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And it's the thumb there knows that you're part of this episode

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that I want to focus on there because I think Star Trek fans, you

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know, the Star Trek fan, wants everything to be, who watches the

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watchers and Dharmok, you know, and tapestry and things like that

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and don't want these fabulous characters caught in these sitcom

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situations.

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And that's kind of a shame because I think this is something that

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TNG could do with a bit more role bit, I'm honest.

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Yeah, yep. yep.

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I think data's day.

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Yeah, that's that's another good example.

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And, you know, weirdly enough, you you suggested lower decks in

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series 7, which is another Gabrielle Beaumont episode, brilliant

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one like that.

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And it is doing the same thing is that it's following a load of

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characters, but in obviously very different, very dramatic, very

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moving way.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, that's a much more serious episode, but it is also fun and

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it's formally distinct.

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I mean, what this is doing is not what any other Star Trek The

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Next Generation thing does.

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Deanna observes perhaps that the quantum filament is a bit like a

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cosmic string, which hits the ship in the loss, remember, and

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causes her to lose her empathic powers.

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And even though it's the same sort of thing in a way, we never

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have an episode that splinters into 5 subplots and doesn't have a

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clear A plot that just has these 5 plots.

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It's a formal experiment.

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And it's something that Star Trek could have done more often.

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And I think day to day is another one where there is a plot and it

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is a little bit similar to the weird Cardassian subplot in lower

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decks, isn't it?

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There's something going on that we don't really understand or know

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about.

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But what we're interested in. periphery of all the fun stuff

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though. doesn't get in the way.

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Well, because part of the fun of Star Trek 2 isn't imagining what

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these people's lives are like, and I know it makes no sense, and

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it's the sort of thing that lower decks makes fun of all the

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time.

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But any little insight into just day-to-day stuff on the ship

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because these characters are likeable, and because the whole thing

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is, is so much fun, it just kind of works really well.

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Just relaxed again in day or day.

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That scene where Dr. Beverly teaches data how to does.

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It's her best scene in the entire run. because it's McFadden just

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chilled out, utterly, you know, in her comfort zone, having a

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great time. and it's so fun to watch.

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I do very quickly want to talk about the DS9 episode Starship Down

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which I watched after this and I knew they basically took the

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premise of this and did it again.

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It's sort of in the middle section of the Dominion War.

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They're in a gas cloud, the Jemadar attacking the ship.

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The ship is, you know, submarine in danger, people in various

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parts of the ship and it's down.

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And, you know, the production value of it is way better because I

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think things have just come on in 4 or 5 years.

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But the big difference between the 2 episodes, and I'm not going

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to say one's better or worse because they are sort of doing

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different things tonally, is those DS9 characters are so fully

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formed.

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Every single one of those plots is a character journey in itself.

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You get Cisco and Kira and Kira's trying to keep the spiritual

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leader of her people alive and panicking through it and talking

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about how they've never really had a friendship.

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They've only had a professional relationship and that comes to a

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conclusion.

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You get Dax and Bashir.

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Finally talking about how creepy he was in series one when they're

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stuck in a Jeffreys tube together and and her garage house, she's

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a bit disappointed, though he's not lost an after her anymore.

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And he says, well, tough shit, you know, basically.

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Wharf, Wharf, figure it out how to, now he's in command of the

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defiant, how to sort of work alongside people without being a

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complete asshole, which is quite fun to watch.

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And all of this stuff is going on.

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Oh, Quark and what's the fella's name?

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J Random guest star.

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No, no, it's it's the fellow from First Contact.

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It's Armand Shimmerman and James Cromwell playing the alien of the

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week.

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Oh, yes, okay.

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Yeah.

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With an enormous torpedo sticking into the room that they're stuck

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in.

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And it leans into quarks, you know, it's a game of chance and all

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of this.

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And everyone in those plots, it serves a character function.

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I'm not saying it's a better episode.

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I think it's a more fulfilling episode of Deep Space 9 because it

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is doing interesting things with the characters and saying

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something about them.

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The characters in this show, I do think they are a lot of fun, but

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they are very thin.

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And in these plots, there really isn't much to do with any of

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them.

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No.

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But put them in these absurd situations.

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Yeah.

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Well, like, it's only DC Snyder that really attempts to do that

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with the staple of character, because it has.

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And here, they're really just relying on the charm of the actors

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performances and that we know Geordie and we know data and, you

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know, we kind of know what they're like, not because we've spend a

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lot of time with scripts that explore those characters in any way

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but just because we've seen them solve space problems together

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over 4 years now.

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And so just seeing them do something else.

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He's so much fun.

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And so I think it's a different type of thing.

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And I think it's probably only TNG that could do this episode.

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There isn't a big enough ensemble on the original series.

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I think Deep Space 9 would do exactly what it did in Starship Down

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and make it about the characters.

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In Voyager.

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The characters are also paper thin and less charming, I think, on

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the whole, than the TNG characters.

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Although it is astonishing, given all the other TNG episodes, they

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ripped off that they didn't do this again.

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That's right.

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And then, you know, well, enterprise is enterprise.

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So I think that this is something...

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I think this is definitely something that Ali TNG can do and I am

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really glad they did it because they think it's a magnificent

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piece of work.

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I feel like I've been slightly hard on an episode I had great fun

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with.

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I've watched this twice.

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The 1st time I enjoyed the hell out of it.

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The 2nd time I was seeing more of the flaws, but I think that's

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the problem with watching things twice, right, is that you do

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start seeing things that you don't in your 1st experience.

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But in terms of telling a quick, pasty, original for TNG, unique

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slice of sitcom TNG action.

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It is a little bit addictive.

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I think we should watch it.

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I think we should.

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All right.

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I will count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Top 10.

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What madness is this?

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I reckon it's top 10, Star Trek and Exteration, for sure.

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It does start like your average.

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That lovely lady talking in there.

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I know, it's got fabulous heels as well.

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I like as well how we sort of set people up in different locations

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you know, in the 1st round of scenes.

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I, I, this episode reminds me of how charming Riker is.

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You know, just how incredibly charming Riker is.

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And there's one reaction, like this.

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He's adorable in this scene where he goes, William, you've got to

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call the baby William.

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It's a great name.

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And it's really cute.

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Like, he's really funny.

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He's enjoying Data's reaction to touching Keiko's belly.

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All of it's fun.

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He's so great.

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I've forgotten how fucking chill.

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Keiko was on the next generation.

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I mean, when she, my 1st couple of seasons of DS9, I mean, you

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would be.

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Look at the state of the place.

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But she's miserable when she goes over there.

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She so relaxed here.

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Yeah, she's loving her life.

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Well, she has a job, she's Bill.

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I love this scene so much.

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This is the best scene of the Beverly Geordie thing where she

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forces him to sing, I am the very model of a model major general.

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Yeah, and he sings it really badly out of tune and she just says

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oh, I can work with that.

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I can fix on it.

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She's so...

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She go, you're a bit tone deaf or something like that. but don't

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worry.

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I'll sort out.

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I'll sort it out.

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I just imagine.

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Very amusing, Nina.

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She's going around all the departments trying to blackmail people

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into being in a dreadful musical.

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That's it.

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You're a little off pitch.

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I really, really enjoy the way the camera's moving and following

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them as well.

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There's something really breezy about that scene, and the 2 of

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them are kind of adults who like one another and stuff.

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Okay, see, these kids, I adore Patterson.

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That's rude of the damn.

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There we go.

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I think Patterson is really cute.

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And he's, can we see the Battle Bridge in the Torpedo Bay?

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And Picard goes, no, we're going to go see the Operetum and these

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sort of boring. things.

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Do you not think there's a visual clue as to how relaxed this

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episode is going to be that Picard's uniform is open, which is

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very unusual.

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No, well, that's his series 5 jacket thing. and he does wear it in

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Darmach as well.

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Did you know that?

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It seems to be swayed.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He only wears it in series 5 in the beginning of series 6.

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Don't go down on the rain planet, Captain Picard.

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I mean, this this kid, he won the science fair by growing some

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radishes.

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No, I think the standards were too high.

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So, and his reaction is that.

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So poor old Picard can't cope very well.

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The kids look just absolutely horrifically uncomfortable.

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I think the little girl who plays Marissa is not too bad.

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She's not terrible, although that last look.

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That giant, look, he's giant teeth.

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Patterson's giant teeth and he goes, I grew radishes in this

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special dirt and they came up all weird.

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Like, that's such a cute line delivery.

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I like this kid as well.

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Can I say I die?

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Oh yeah, that's very funny.

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And actually, this is leaning into, you remember the line in the

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very 1st episode encounter at PowerPoint?

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I want you to stop me making an ass of myself with children.

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So we're leaning into this again and we do it a couple of times.

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I think you've got a bit more patience with children than I do

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Nathan, given our respective careers.

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Oh yeah, I think these are bad, these are not great child actors

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but, you know, you, you know, you get what you can.

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It's a bit where they have to cry, you know, that's why the cry is

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really bad.

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But his reaction to it is pretty funny.

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Everybody, we're wobbling the camera.

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Throw yourselves around the set.

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Well, I quite like it's when it's when Picard is about to speak to

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Marisa that the whole thing goes to hell.

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Now we get these 2 really charming extras.

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One of them lives, but the other one dies.

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So Lieutenant Monroe is about to get killed.

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I thought the sort of, because there was very little destruction

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going on as they went through the quantum film, but one console

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explodes, which takes her out, which I think is why Council of

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Troy has to take her out. right.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But it's a bit of a lame explosion.

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There wasn't even any rocks.

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No, and I kind of think that they can't really properly emphasise

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that.

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Like there is sort of talk about there being more death than we

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ever want to mention.

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And so we just sweep that under the carpet for the sake of having

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fun.

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Okay, this to be a fun episode, don't they?

403
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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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We can't be focussing too much on that.

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Okay, so is everybody where they need to be?

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Dr. Bev and Georgie, they're in the cargo base.

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Keiko is in 10 forward, ready to pop.

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We've mentioned the baby, so that's all set up.

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Yeah, then so Keiko and Riker and Wharf and Data are all in 10

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forward.

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So Riker.

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Yeah, Riker and Data are going to go off on their own plot later

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on.

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And then we've got Roe and Deanna and 2 red shirts, but they're

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not red shirts because they're wearing gold on the bridge at one

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of whom's just been killed.

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And what is nice is it doesn't lock all those characters in those

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places.

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They sort of move about it. move, yeah.

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Riker and Data end up in the Jeffries tube.

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Row ends up on the bridge.

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Rowe actually hasn't turned up yet on the bridge.

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Has she has she?

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She's not there yet.

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And, oh, I love the quote on memory alpha about um, Data and Riker

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where um, Michael Piller goes, you know, oh, I've had a great

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idea.

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Well, our data's head hooked up to a console.

430
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He goes, uh, he goes to, um, run more, put it in the script.

431
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He goes, they won't let it through.

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Rick Berman will take it out.

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But just put it in anyway.

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You know, let's try our luck.

435
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Apparently Rick Burmer read the script and he didn't say a word.

436
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They were like, yes.

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That's really fun.

438
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And one of my favourite bits of the episode is Riker's reaction

439
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when data suggests... is so funny.

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He goes, oh, I'm going to step into that electric field now.

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And data is just so calm about it.

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He goes, oh, my Xoskeleton's made out of this thing.

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We forget he is, in fact, not a person.

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Or is he?

445
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So what do you think about Counsellor Troy then in this episode?

446
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So I think this is actually quite a good plot for Council Troy, and

447
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they do, um, they do kind of follow it up because she ends up

448
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doing, uh, that time when I was on the bridge.

449
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Yeah, during the concept filament.

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I think that's the exact line, actually.

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She mentions the thing in the babble.

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Now I want to be and have commander training.

453
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Yeah.

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Yeah, and I think she's great because she is initially a fish out

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of water.

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She doesn't know what's happening.

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And what ends up happening is that she uses her abilities as a

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counsellor to manage the 2 people, to manage 2 people who disagree

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and to manage someone who could potentially be a problem in that

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situation, who is nevertheless giving good advice and shouldn't be

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shut down.

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So I think she does a great job.

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And the moment where she sits in the bridge is in the in the

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captain's share is magnificent.

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So good.

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I think Marina must have asked for the follow-up.

467
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She thought, I love sitting in that chair.

468
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Did you see that high angle shot then of them all in the turbo?

470
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I love it when they do that.

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I really do.

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And it's worth noting as well.

473
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Like they've turned the lights down on that bloody bridge set and

474
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automatically once again, it is more atmospheric.

475
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Yes.

476
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Oh here we go.

477
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Oh, God.

478
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Cheers.

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And Picard just tries telling them all to shut up and it makes

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them even worse.

481
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Oh, I'm going to have to do this with a bit of tact and finesse

482
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instead.

483
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No, well, what he does is he's the captain.

484
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He creates a crew and he orders them around and he uses all of his

485
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abilities as a captain, all of the things that he does in his

486
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everyday job, and that works with the kids.

487
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It's wonderful.

488
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I did think this was quite funny.

489
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Now you all need to stop crying.

490
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Oh, but this would be my idea of hell being in that turbo lift

491
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with them.

492
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I like I like how it's the little girl who ends up being number

493
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one as well.

494
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You know, the little boys are much younger than her and I think

495
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she's pretty good.

496
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Like, I think she's pretty great.

497
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I like the line where he goes, you will be the commander in charge

498
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of radishes.

499
00:23:21.180 --> 00:23:23.099
That's so cute.

500
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It's so ridiculous, but I love it.

501
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Oh, here comes here comes some Rome now.

502
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Yeah, I'll tell you what it is.

503
00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:33.480
She's just a little too...

504
00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:37.559
Unwielding, you know, she just won't accept any other opinion and

505
00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:41.279
she has to in order for Troy to obviously to, you know, stand up

506
00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:43.559
to her and have a hero moment.

507
00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:46.019
I just hoping it does row any favours.

508
00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:51.359
Well, like, she apologises, but she doesn't do it very graciously

509
00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:55.140
and I think, you know, that's a reasonable thing, and and this

510
00:23:55.140 --> 00:23:56.279
should perhaps...

511
00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:57.119
More than one or two, did he?

512
00:23:57.180 --> 00:23:59.640
He wanted her to turn around and say, look, you still could have

513
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:00.720
got us all killed, all right?

514
00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.859
Yeah, but then we don't resolve the plot in an amicable way.

515
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:05.880
This is a fun episode.

516
00:24:05.940 --> 00:24:06.900
Do you know what I mean?

517
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.900
You don't end it on a note of conflict, but that's more the sort

518
00:24:09.900 --> 00:24:12.000
of thing you would have done on Boulestar Glats.

519
00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:12.480
Exactly.

520
00:24:12.539 --> 00:24:16.259
But what has to happen is that Deanna, because she's the

521
00:24:16.259 --> 00:24:19.680
counsellor, because she's being a good commander, for that reason

522
00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:23.160
she says, no, you could have been right.

523
00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:25.079
And she was doing the right thing.

524
00:24:25.140 --> 00:24:30.119
Roe was doing the right thing by offering an alternative view, you

525
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:34.319
know, and allowing the captain to, you know, and she get, she does

526
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:34.980
get her moment.

527
00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:37.799
She does get a moment saying, you could have just killed us all or

528
00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:39.059
something. you know what I mean?

529
00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:41.640
She does get to say something, but she doesn't need to do it at

530
00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:45.119
the end of the episode because that's when we're winding that plot

531
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:45.539
up.

532
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:49.319
And I think ending it with the 2 of them in conflict is totally

533
00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:50.579
wrong for this episode.

534
00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:51.660
Not next generation, is it?

535
00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:53.460
You know, they just wouldn't do it on the next generation.

536
00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:59.160
There is a wonderful bit of trivia in memory alpha that says, you

537
00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:02.400
know, in given sort of genuine naval tradition.

538
00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:06.960
There is no way that the counsellor would ever be put in charge of

539
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:07.559
the ship.

540
00:25:07.619 --> 00:25:09.240
No shit, Sherlock.

541
00:25:09.299 --> 00:25:11.880
We are just, we're being creative here.

542
00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:17.279
Well, so what we haven't ever had is her referred to as Lieutenant

543
00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:23.339
Commander Troy before, and we get that, you know, as you know, Bob

544
00:25:23.339 --> 00:25:27.599
Deanna holds the rank of Lieutenant Commander, where Miles

545
00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:28.799
explains that.

546
00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:32.160
And so she's the ranking officer on the ship.

547
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:35.460
And I think it's commander Beverly Crusher as well, isn't it?

548
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:35.940
You know?

549
00:25:35.940 --> 00:25:40.680
What surprised, surprised me, actually, was normally, I can't bear

550
00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:44.700
it because Counsellor Troy in her day-to-day job is usually so

551
00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:46.680
fucking arrogant all the time, isn't she?

552
00:25:46.740 --> 00:25:49.380
sort of lauding it over everybody and their emotions.

553
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:53.039
But when she's a fisher out of water, like she is in this episode

554
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:55.440
I thought, okay, this can be quite interesting.

555
00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:59.160
She's sort of, but she's so indecisive.

556
00:25:59.220 --> 00:26:02.880
Yeah, I did like that shot of that seeing the closing shot of the

557
00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:05.339
scene with her looking a little bit stricken and a little bit

558
00:26:05.339 --> 00:26:06.059
vulnerable.

559
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:07.259
I think that's quite good.

560
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:10.920
No, I mean, it's an interesting direction to take her in.

561
00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:12.779
You know, and it is great there.

562
00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:15.539
It has consequences as well for the show that very often doesn't

563
00:26:15.539 --> 00:26:16.319
do that sort of thing.

564
00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:21.119
I just I just figured she'd just put it on a bit more, you know

565
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:24.420
like, even if you don't know, pretend you do.

566
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:28.740
But I mean, what is fun is that she does use her abilities as a

567
00:26:28.740 --> 00:26:32.279
counsellor to actually negotiate it because she's good with

568
00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:32.640
people.

569
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.079
She's actually good at command.

570
00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:40.079
Did you see Jonathan Frakes or Riker, comforting Keiko?

571
00:26:40.140 --> 00:26:40.559
Again.

572
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:44.819
The intimacy, the tactile nature of their relationships.

573
00:26:44.940 --> 00:26:47.759
Yeah, when they just let them be people.

574
00:26:47.819 --> 00:26:49.140
It's so nice.

575
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:50.460
It is nice.

576
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:52.920
Why are they Star Trek characters all the time.

577
00:26:52.980 --> 00:26:53.640
Yeah.

578
00:26:53.700 --> 00:26:59.039
And and we know, you know, that now we have a version of this show

579
00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:03.000
in strange new worlds, which is every bit of Star Trek, every bit

580
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:07.619
is procedural as as this, but knows that you can also have fun

581
00:27:07.619 --> 00:27:08.940
with the characters and that's fine.

582
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:10.740
Featuring actual people.

583
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:11.700
Yeah.

584
00:27:11.700 --> 00:27:16.140
I mean, they have the luxury of a restricted season or like series

585
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:18.720
order, like a smaller number of episodes a year.

586
00:27:18.779 --> 00:27:22.440
They can be put a little bit more effort into each of them, and

587
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.640
they aren't in this sort of world of syndication where everything

588
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.180
could be shown in any order, and so we can't have really kind of

589
00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:33.660
much in the way of ongoing plot threads, or we think we can't

590
00:27:33.660 --> 00:27:34.559
anyway.

591
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:38.039
I know they do say that less is more sometimes.

592
00:27:38.099 --> 00:27:41.579
But actually, I do love with these 90s shows that more is more

593
00:27:41.579 --> 00:27:41.880
though.

594
00:27:41.940 --> 00:27:43.980
And we just have so much time with them.

595
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:46.619
It's wonderful Yeah, that's true.

596
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:50.579
Oh, did you notice in this Dr. Beverly plot that they did the

597
00:27:50.579 --> 00:27:54.000
thing that we always laugh at when they open up the room to space

598
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.099
and everyone's fire.

599
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:57.480
They just sort of grab older things.

600
00:27:57.539 --> 00:27:59.460
No one's sucked out into space.

601
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.420
They should have, they should just cover that with a line

602
00:28:03.420 --> 00:28:04.140
somewhere.

603
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:07.619
It's just a very small hole that's opened or something that's

604
00:28:07.619 --> 00:28:08.819
sucking out all of the...

605
00:28:08.819 --> 00:28:10.380
No, they open.

606
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:11.700
They open the whole door.

607
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:12.660
We see it.

608
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:14.819
That's not what would happen in real life, is it?

609
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:17.460
They'd be out that door in a second. hanging on.

610
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:18.299
They hanging on.

611
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:23.099
I think the suction is... when you open something to space.

612
00:28:23.579 --> 00:28:25.619
I mean, wind over them.

613
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:26.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

614
00:28:26.579 --> 00:28:27.059
It is funny.

615
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:31.019
Yeah, where he sends them up on the roof.

616
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:32.880
Sorry?

617
00:28:32.940 --> 00:28:35.039
Yeah, just a bit where he sends him up on the roof.

618
00:28:35.099 --> 00:28:35.640
Yeah I like that.

619
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:38.339
Yeah, yeah.

620
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:38.940
God.

621
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:40.920
Well, I was gonna say, I always love it when you see different

622
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:41.819
parts of the ship.

623
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.220
And just being on top of the turbo lip.

624
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:45.359
See what's around it.

625
00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:46.319
I really like that.

626
00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:48.660
It's like Star Trek 5.

627
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:50.880
You know, it's like the sort of thing that would happen in the

628
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:52.380
movies. you get to see.

629
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:54.599
And I actually think this is quite well realised.

630
00:28:54.660 --> 00:28:56.220
The shot where the...

631
00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:56.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

632
00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:00.480
Where the turbo left behind the kids. is really good, I think.

633
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.779
Well, and it's that great moment of like, thank God they went

634
00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:04.259
through the roof.

635
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:05.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

636
00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:09.000
All those kiddie wings would have been dead. right.

637
00:29:09.059 --> 00:29:10.259
They're doing squash.

638
00:29:10.259 --> 00:29:10.980
Actually, the roof.

639
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:13.859
Maybe Picard should just gone up through the roof then.

640
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:19.559
Well, see, this where he kind of decides now I have to do, I have

641
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.859
to get this to work and he makes the right decision.

642
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.700
And one of the great things about that final scene is when he sees

643
00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:30.539
them on the bridge the next time he is genuinely delighted to see

644
00:29:30.539 --> 00:29:30.720
them.

645
00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:35.160
Now, I don't think you would have noticed that because I didn't

646
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:35.759
get you in time.

647
00:29:35.819 --> 00:29:40.200
Did you see the 2 holes on her collar where they've done a

648
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:40.680
reshoot?

649
00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:42.900
I've already done this shot once.

650
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:44.339
Never mind.

651
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:46.319
Maybe she knew she was going to be the commander.

652
00:29:46.380 --> 00:29:47.579
Maybe she came prepared.

653
00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:53.220
I mean, I'll be fair, they are the cutest looking kids you've ever

654
00:29:53.220 --> 00:29:54.000
seen in your life.

655
00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:55.259
One of them's boss eyed.

656
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.960
One of them's got weird teeth, and the other one's the cutest

657
00:29:57.960 --> 00:29:59.759
blonde girl you've ever seen in your life.

658
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:05.160
And look at her, look at those white boots that she's wearing.

659
00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:06.000
They're so 60s.

660
00:30:06.059 --> 00:30:06.480
It's wonderful.

661
00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:10.680
I mean, it's like Picard's hanging out with a Brady Bunch right

662
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.240
now, but yeah, yeah.

663
00:30:12.299 --> 00:30:15.240
We don't normally do this sort of thing, do we?

664
00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:18.720
Well, I think that Jake Gordon is like a dime store Macaulay

665
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:19.440
Culcom.

666
00:30:19.500 --> 00:30:20.279
Do you know what I mean?

667
00:30:20.339 --> 00:30:21.779
Like, it's this little block.

668
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.319
You mean pound lamb, McCall, yeah?

669
00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:28.920
Well, I was going for I was going for the American expression.

670
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:32.940
What's the Australian version of that?

671
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:34.380
A dollar shop?

672
00:30:34.500 --> 00:30:35.279
$2 shop?

673
00:30:35.339 --> 00:30:36.059
dollar shop.

674
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.400
We don't really have the shop, Macaulay Golkin.

675
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.099
And I don't know why.

676
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.440
I do just love exploring all over the ship.

677
00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:47.759
Every time they do it in all the shows, even for Enterprise or

678
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:48.000
anything.

679
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:49.259
Yeah.

680
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:54.539
Yeah, that, that, um, civil defence episode of um, DS9, yeah

681
00:30:54.539 --> 00:30:55.920
that's entirely like that.

682
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:58.859
The track goes off and they're just crawling through various parts

683
00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:00.420
of the ship where we've never seen before.

684
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:01.440
That's great.

685
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:03.900
They sort of really go to that.

686
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.019
I think they know this is something that Star Trek fans pay close

687
00:31:07.019 --> 00:31:09.299
attention to the schematics of the ship.

688
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.279
So they go to a lot of effort to get it right.

689
00:31:11.339 --> 00:31:12.480
Yeah, yeah.

690
00:31:12.539 --> 00:31:14.279
It's really fun too, isn't it?

691
00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:18.660
Oh, how cheap do those barrels look there?

692
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.839
There's no weight to them as well. really amazing.

693
00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:22.920
Plastic, isn't it?

694
00:31:22.980 --> 00:31:24.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

695
00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:27.660
Oh, I don't know what they're talking about now, if I'm honest.

696
00:31:27.779 --> 00:31:32.880
Stuff gets unstable at 300 and the stuff in the thing is going to

697
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:35.279
explode unless we move it out of the way of the radiation.

698
00:31:35.339 --> 00:31:37.619
It's all very clear and then they move it out of the way.

699
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:39.599
Like it's all of that stuff's super straightforward.

700
00:31:39.660 --> 00:31:43.019
Wouldn't it have been quite fun if the thing they set up at the

701
00:31:43.019 --> 00:31:44.579
start of the episode, the song?

702
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:48.839
had something to do with the conclusion of this plot, you know?

703
00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:51.720
The symphonic resonance of the radiation.

704
00:31:51.779 --> 00:31:55.440
Ah, I could do it too. a bit cheesy, I mean.

705
00:31:55.500 --> 00:31:57.000
Well, I know.

706
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:00.059
Well, anything's better than the Tetla Battle.

707
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:03.240
Yeah, yeah, but I mean, the Techno Battle said are fairly obvious

708
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:03.480
I think.

709
00:32:03.539 --> 00:32:06.180
You know, these things are going to catch fire and we have to blow

710
00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:09.119
them out the shuttle bay door is pretty obvious.

711
00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:12.660
So here she is trying to understand the quantum filament.

712
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:14.640
How big is the quantum filament?

713
00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:16.140
It's about 100 metres long.

714
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:18.539
It doesn't seem to have much mass.

715
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:19.920
It's like the cosmic string.

716
00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:20.400
You riot.

717
00:32:20.460 --> 00:32:21.660
She's remembered the loss.

718
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.680
No, because O'Brien just goes, no, that's a completely different

719
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:26.759
phenomenon.

720
00:32:26.819 --> 00:32:29.759
It's like, it's just like, she thought she was in.

721
00:32:29.819 --> 00:32:33.119
I've heard of a cosmic string. was my episode last year.

722
00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:41.160
It reminds you, like, East Doctor Who, when they say, they

723
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:43.079
literally did that from story to story.

724
00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:46.319
Perry goes, what, was it the comparator, you know, because that's

725
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:48.000
the one thing she remembers from the last story.

726
00:32:48.180 --> 00:32:51.299
I wonder if in the next episode they go, what?

727
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:52.559
A bit like the quantum strict.

728
00:32:52.619 --> 00:32:53.099
No, no.

729
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:55.859
We've done that one. doing this now.

730
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:58.380
Aye, aye, aye.

731
00:32:58.440 --> 00:32:59.519
Oh, dear.

732
00:32:59.579 --> 00:33:01.859
I mean, I'll take the piss out of Tetna babble, but it wouldn't

733
00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:03.000
really be Star Trek about it, would it?

734
00:33:03.059 --> 00:33:03.900
Yeah, yeah.

735
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:06.720
And I think this version of Star Trek does Techno Babble, like

736
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.180
Star Trek, the Next Generation does it much better than, say

737
00:33:09.180 --> 00:33:11.099
Voyager, where it's just horrific, I think.

738
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:13.140
And I let you in on a little secret.

739
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:16.920
You know, when these used to come out on VHS, it's 2 episodes per

740
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:17.519
VHS.

741
00:33:17.579 --> 00:33:18.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

742
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:19.859
I used to get them out of blockbuster video.

743
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:21.720
We're a close-up of the screen there.

744
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:25.799
I used to pause the videos so I could read what was on the

745
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:26.160
screen.

746
00:33:28.259 --> 00:33:31.799
In a series one episode of The Next Generation, I found out that

747
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:36.960
they listed all the Doctor Who actors from William Hartle to Peter

748
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:37.619
Davidson.

749
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.200
So I figured there was going to be like Easter eggs.

750
00:33:40.259 --> 00:33:41.880
Obviously that episode.

751
00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:44.039
I figured there was gonna be Easter eggs all the time.

752
00:33:44.099 --> 00:33:46.680
So I used to always pause the screens.

753
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.559
There never was, unfortunately, that was just something about our

754
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:50.460
quantum filament.

755
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:55.740
I do think that it's implausible that she doesn't know what a core

756
00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:58.619
breach is, given that she...

757
00:33:58.619 --> 00:33:59.759
Do you know what I mean?

758
00:33:59.819 --> 00:34:02.519
She has been right in the ship before.

759
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:04.559
No, I don't think it is.

760
00:34:04.619 --> 00:34:07.980
It is to try and show that she's a fish out of water because she

761
00:34:07.980 --> 00:34:09.179
says, and that means what?

762
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:12.780
And kind of Michelle Forbes goes, it means the ship is going to

763
00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:13.320
explode.

764
00:34:13.380 --> 00:34:15.719
Like, why are you in charge if you don't know that?

765
00:34:15.780 --> 00:34:16.500
I think.

766
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:20.940
I adore every single thing about how this scene has acted.

767
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:23.699
You've got data, like I said, absolutely.

768
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:26.159
Well, I'm going to stand into that electric because that's fine.

769
00:34:26.219 --> 00:34:29.400
I'm made out of this, you know, hardwire material and you've got

770
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:30.960
Riker there appalled.

771
00:34:31.019 --> 00:34:31.800
Oh, Mr. Data.

772
00:34:31.860 --> 00:34:32.880
No, really.

773
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:34.739
Are you sure you want to do this?

774
00:34:34.860 --> 00:34:37.619
No, but I show you that I love most.

775
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.260
They all think of him as a person, don't they?

776
00:34:40.380 --> 00:34:41.760
And so do we.

777
00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:44.099
I think it's these moments where I'm shocked.

778
00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:46.019
I'm going, oh, yeah, he's just a robot, right?

779
00:34:46.500 --> 00:34:49.019
Well, he's not just a robot.

780
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:49.559
He's a person.

781
00:34:49.619 --> 00:34:52.380
He's a robot played by Brent Spiner.

782
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:53.460
That's right.

783
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:56.940
All the other people are made of meat, you know, like it's like it

784
00:34:56.940 --> 00:34:58.019
doesn't matter what you're made of.

785
00:34:58.079 --> 00:34:59.579
We're not going down that route again.

786
00:34:59.579 --> 00:35:07.559
The moral complexities of quicksilver people.

787
00:35:07.619 --> 00:35:08.760
Yes, exactly.

788
00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:13.320
So, this, it's the reaction to my cradial unit, the word migrating

789
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:13.860
unit.

790
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.059
Look, and he's laughing.

791
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:19.920
He's, you want me to take your head off and he's kind of, like, he

792
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:21.119
doesn't quite know how to react.

793
00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:22.679
He looks away, he smiles.

794
00:35:22.739 --> 00:35:25.920
He's about to, you know, like it's such a Jonathan reaction.

795
00:35:25.980 --> 00:35:27.480
It's so great.

796
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:29.099
It's really good.

797
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.760
This is the Riker from Picard, I think.

798
00:35:32.820 --> 00:35:34.559
Yeah, I think so too.

799
00:35:34.619 --> 00:35:37.860
He's already Michael, we should have seen more of.

800
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:41.820
And there are glimpses of it throughout, sort of, from series 3 to

801
00:35:41.820 --> 00:35:42.480
series 7.

802
00:35:42.539 --> 00:35:44.340
There are lots of little glimpses.

803
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.920
Usually when he's playing the trumpet or poker or something like

804
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:47.099
that.

805
00:35:47.460 --> 00:35:51.179
Someone, someone, my friend, Peter, a friend of the podcast, Peter

806
00:35:51.179 --> 00:35:54.780
said the other day, the bit where he's playing the, it's his

807
00:35:54.780 --> 00:35:58.019
birthday, perhaps, and he's playing the trombone, and someone says

808
00:35:58.019 --> 00:35:58.980
did you wish for anything?

809
00:35:59.099 --> 00:36:03.119
And Frakes just bursts out laughing and says, yeah, music

810
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:03.960
lessons.

811
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.539
And it's just such a Frakes moment.

812
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:08.039
It's absolutely him.

813
00:36:08.099 --> 00:36:09.719
This is so much fun.

814
00:36:09.780 --> 00:36:11.400
And look at Dana's reaction.

815
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:14.099
A remarkable experience.

816
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:15.420
Come on, Diary says.

817
00:36:15.420 --> 00:36:17.639
This whole chest you that's been burnt out.

818
00:36:17.699 --> 00:36:19.679
Well, his costume anyway.

819
00:36:19.980 --> 00:36:22.079
Don't worry, don't worry.

820
00:36:22.139 --> 00:36:23.760
His neural nets are fully operational.

821
00:36:23.820 --> 00:36:24.659
Fully operational.

822
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:25.679
We know what that means.

823
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:27.539
Oh yeah.

824
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:29.340
You just touch my panel there.

825
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:32.699
It's located 2 centimetres away from my ear.

826
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.059
All that stuff is so ridiculous and so you press that to detach

827
00:36:36.059 --> 00:36:36.719
the head.

828
00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:37.320
That's the thing.

829
00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:39.119
And they just play it.

830
00:36:39.179 --> 00:36:41.340
They play it for laughs, but they play it for real.

831
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:42.780
The way you have to play it.

832
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:43.860
Yeah.

833
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:44.940
Well that's cute.

834
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:46.619
Look at the kid on Picard's shoulders.

835
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:47.699
That's right.

836
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:50.699
Most dreadful costumes they put all the kids in.

837
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:53.039
Those sort of all in one costumes.

838
00:36:53.099 --> 00:36:53.820
Terrible.

839
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:54.420
Yeah.

840
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:55.980
And they've all come from the gap.

841
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:56.579
Look at the colours.

842
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:59.639
It's very 60s as well.

843
00:36:59.699 --> 00:37:03.119
Like, there is a kind of 60sness to it, like Maurice's boots, I

844
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:03.420
think.

845
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.679
A bloody good thing they weren't standing on top of that turbo

846
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:09.179
lift, you know, when it free falls later.

847
00:37:09.300 --> 00:37:11.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

848
00:37:11.219 --> 00:37:13.199
Yeah, I kind of like too.

849
00:37:13.260 --> 00:37:16.079
Like, the way that he describes it really precisely in a way that

850
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:18.119
a child would understand, like, he's doing a good job.

851
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.960
And that shot of the broken groove thing, I think, is pretty

852
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:22.199
good.

853
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:28.380
And I think, like, watch Patrick Stewart in When the Bowel Breaks

854
00:37:28.380 --> 00:37:32.099
where the kids will get stolen from the Enterprise in the series

855
00:37:32.099 --> 00:37:34.739
season one episode, and Patrick Stewart hasn't relaxed at this

856
00:37:34.739 --> 00:37:34.920
point.

857
00:37:34.980 --> 00:37:38.699
He's still playing this like his drama, despite the fact it's

858
00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:40.199
patently absurd what's going on.

859
00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:43.619
And he has scenes with this little girl, Alexandra, and she's got

860
00:37:43.619 --> 00:37:46.440
this sort of wide little fluffy toy that she sticks to his back in

861
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:48.900
the last scene and everyone's sort of going, ha, ha, how funny.

862
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:52.079
Patrick Stewart is just so uncomfortable.

863
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.840
The whole scene is just so awkward.

864
00:37:54.900 --> 00:37:56.639
Now look at him here with the kids.

865
00:37:56.820 --> 00:38:01.619
Oh my god, this show is a massive success where a ratings hit.

866
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.639
I've been able to give demands about having directorial

867
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.619
assignments and more women on the show.

868
00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:09.840
And so he's just loving it.

869
00:38:09.900 --> 00:38:12.960
He's playing every scene, just so chill, so funny.

870
00:38:13.019 --> 00:38:17.280
Well, I think this scene with him and Marissa, where he just tells

871
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:20.400
her the truth and the unvarnished truth that they're in

872
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.340
significant danger and that they're going to have to kind of do a

873
00:38:23.340 --> 00:38:23.880
thing.

874
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:25.679
Like he's not patronising her.

875
00:38:25.739 --> 00:38:28.320
He's just talking to her like she's a person.

876
00:38:28.380 --> 00:38:30.059
It's great, I think.

877
00:38:30.179 --> 00:38:32.940
I actually think there's something to that.

878
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:36.599
Very quickly, when my dad went to prison and we lost our house.

879
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:40.739
My mum sat me down and said, look, I'm not going to sugarcoat

880
00:38:40.739 --> 00:38:41.039
this.

881
00:38:41.099 --> 00:38:44.880
This is what has happened and that was far more useful to me than

882
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:48.300
any bullshit she could have come up with. as to why we were moving

883
00:38:48.300 --> 00:38:48.719
house.

884
00:38:48.780 --> 00:38:49.139
Yeah.

885
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:50.219
Be honest with kids.

886
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:51.659
I think so too.

887
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:55.559
And I think, you know, like failing, just not patronising them is

888
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:56.760
important, I think.

889
00:38:56.820 --> 00:38:59.340
And she does a great, great job.

890
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.920
I think she's really good because she's clearly sort of depressed

891
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:02.579
or whatever.

892
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:04.139
You know, she won't speak.

893
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:08.280
She's super, super shy, and they don't overplay it because no

894
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:12.480
one's particularly good, but, you know, she blossoms.

895
00:39:12.539 --> 00:39:15.239
She comes out of herself when she's given some responsibility.

896
00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:19.139
And this stuff too, where he's just, he's just laying it down.

897
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:21.960
I actually think, see, I think she does quite a good job of

898
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:23.519
looking nervous, don't you think?

899
00:39:23.579 --> 00:39:24.659
I think she's doing okay.

900
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.719
She's the one of the 3 of them that's acting.

901
00:39:27.780 --> 00:39:28.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

902
00:39:28.980 --> 00:39:31.800
I mean, she's not hard to shine compared to these 2 boys.

903
00:39:31.860 --> 00:39:35.639
That fella just went, oh, I don't want to be an officer anymore. if

904
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:36.780
it means we're gonna have to do some work.

905
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:38.099
You know, come on now.

906
00:39:39.300 --> 00:39:41.579
Oh, let's line here.

907
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.039
He goes, I want you also know this is mutiny.

908
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.380
Because they won't leave him behind.

909
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:51.659
But she, he's not serious and she knows that he's not and she

910
00:39:51.659 --> 00:39:54.659
smiles immediately in a way that I think is really charming.

911
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:56.400
It's very sweet.

912
00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:57.780
It is very nice.

913
00:39:57.900 --> 00:40:02.159
At this point, it is it is delicate, but come the last scene.

914
00:40:02.219 --> 00:40:03.000
Number one.

915
00:40:03.059 --> 00:40:04.079
Yes, sir.

916
00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:04.920
Oh, please.

917
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.079
I love that scene.

918
00:40:07.139 --> 00:40:08.159
It's so cheesy.

919
00:40:08.219 --> 00:40:12.119
It's so 90s TV cheesy that I, but I just don't care.

920
00:40:12.179 --> 00:40:17.159
I was drowning in a fondue at that point. so funny.

921
00:40:17.219 --> 00:40:20.340
Oh, look at them trying to make this barrel look really heavy.

922
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah Look.

923
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:25.320
Gates is really giving it, haven't she?

924
00:40:26.099 --> 00:40:28.260
Just put rocks in it.

925
00:40:28.739 --> 00:40:31.619
Yeah, normally do, to be fair.

926
00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:36.179
Oh, dude, the energy's fed by the ship's internal power grip.

927
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:36.599
Oh, yeah.

928
00:40:36.659 --> 00:40:37.500
Yeah, see what?

929
00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:38.639
That's all normal talk.

930
00:40:38.699 --> 00:40:39.179
That's okay.

931
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:42.719
I know, but I don't like it.

932
00:40:42.780 --> 00:40:44.219
It's Star Trek.

933
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:45.239
That's what they're saying.

934
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:46.619
They're in space.

935
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:49.320
The rarest of things, you know, in Starship Down.

936
00:40:49.380 --> 00:40:53.400
There was so much tech that bad boy in that and DS9 usually just

937
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:54.599
avoids that completely.

938
00:40:54.659 --> 00:40:58.500
But because they were in this situation of extreme peril, we had

939
00:40:58.500 --> 00:40:59.579
to understand it somehow.

940
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:01.619
Yeah, but I mean, look at this.

941
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:04.559
I mean, these are physical objects moving around and stuff.

942
00:41:04.619 --> 00:41:08.340
You got Geordie waving his arms around to show, you know, where

943
00:41:08.340 --> 00:41:10.079
like what's going to happen and what they have to do.

944
00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:12.059
It is all sort of pretty clear.

945
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:17.159
I love the bit where, at the very end, you know, where gates.

946
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:17.820
Oh, please.

947
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:20.400
Dr. Bears goes...

948
00:41:20.460 --> 00:41:24.239
We're gonna open the door to space and she goes, oh, this ladder.

949
00:41:24.300 --> 00:41:25.860
We can hold this ladder.

950
00:41:25.980 --> 00:41:27.179
Oh, please.

951
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:29.039
I'm not sure that's very scientific.

952
00:41:29.099 --> 00:41:30.719
Never mind. sure it'll be fine.

953
00:41:30.780 --> 00:41:34.559
I noticed how we're having the odd cut to people that are very

954
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:36.900
bloody, you know, just to show there is a bit of danger here.

955
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:37.920
Bit wharf?

956
00:41:37.980 --> 00:41:38.699
Good, good.

957
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:39.900
You bore that well.

958
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.119
Oh, it's so funny.

959
00:41:42.179 --> 00:41:43.619
It's so...

960
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:44.699
Plays comedy.

961
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:46.980
I mean, and they learn this as they go, don't they?

962
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:51.480
And then Coco goes, here, white woman, put this pad on your face.

963
00:41:53.219 --> 00:41:58.559
She's like this very blonde American lady sitting in dead

964
00:41:58.559 --> 00:41:59.280
forward.

965
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:03.599
It's not the actual birth that makes me laugh the most, although

966
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:04.260
it's very funny.

967
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:08.639
It's the bit where he goes, I will slap the baby and then you just

968
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:09.119
hear this.

969
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:13.320
It's so funny I still like it.

970
00:42:13.380 --> 00:42:18.599
I still like the I am pushing line from Keiko, which is so funny.

971
00:42:18.659 --> 00:42:22.500
And like you said before, absolute sitcom staff.

972
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.500
Like the, you know, being trapped somewhere where a woman's giving

973
00:42:25.500 --> 00:42:26.039
birth.

974
00:42:26.099 --> 00:42:30.119
It's just such an obvious joy wolf being played by comedy.

975
00:42:30.179 --> 00:42:34.619
But why they didn't do, sir, I'm not a Merry Man from Cupid and

976
00:42:34.619 --> 00:42:38.039
find him and kill him from Take Me Out to the Hollow Suite more

977
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:38.280
often.

978
00:42:38.340 --> 00:42:39.840
He's just baffling.

979
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:42.360
Michael Dawn is very funny.

980
00:42:42.420 --> 00:42:43.860
His line deliveries are great.

981
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.519
Yeah, and I think they only really discovered in series three

982
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:48.000
don't they?

983
00:42:48.059 --> 00:42:51.539
We saw it in Survivors a few weeks ago, you know, good house, nice

984
00:42:51.539 --> 00:42:52.199
to you.

985
00:42:52.260 --> 00:42:56.699
You know, they they did say in the memory out for interviews that

986
00:42:56.699 --> 00:42:59.460
he was thrilled to get this script.

987
00:42:59.460 --> 00:43:02.880
And the quote is, it was sick to death of being beaten up.

988
00:43:02.940 --> 00:43:05.460
I wanted to play some comedy, you know?

989
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:07.320
Yeah, or being wrong.

990
00:43:07.980 --> 00:43:12.119
This is the one point where it feels like a normal Star Trek TNG

991
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.480
episode now. in the conference room discussing the situation.

992
00:43:15.539 --> 00:43:16.619
Yeah.

993
00:43:18.059 --> 00:43:20.639
Come on, Deanna. can do it.

994
00:43:20.699 --> 00:43:22.019
She can do it.

995
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:22.800
She can do it.

996
00:43:22.860 --> 00:43:25.500
I mean, I get why it's Rowe as well, because Rowe is such a force

997
00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:29.880
of nature that it's somebody very powerful that Diana Troy has to

998
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:31.320
like sort of step up against.

999
00:43:31.380 --> 00:43:35.760
But she doesn't do it by confronting her or conflict or anything

1000
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:36.300
like that.

1001
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.039
She does lay down the law.

1002
00:43:38.099 --> 00:43:39.480
She says he is what we're going to do.

1003
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.960
Interestingly, in Starship Down, the plot where Worf has to figure

1004
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:50.219
out how to work alongside these engineers and not be a total

1005
00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:51.179
bastard to them.

1006
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.960
It's O'Brien, who's learned so much from all disaster and all

1007
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:55.679
these other episodes.

1008
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:59.880
He's basically saying to him, look, you know, you can cut them a

1009
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:02.219
little slack, but you've got to keep them on the reins.

1010
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.019
That's the conclusion of that plan.

1011
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:09.059
I think O'Brien's sort of sucking up all the knowledge now from

1012
00:44:09.059 --> 00:44:10.860
all the mistakes everyone else is making.

1013
00:44:11.579 --> 00:44:14.159
Yeah, insane, right?

1014
00:44:14.219 --> 00:44:17.940
It's insane to think that he's an encounter at Farpoint all the

1015
00:44:17.940 --> 00:44:19.380
way through to what you're in.

1016
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:20.519
It's amazing, isn't it?

1017
00:44:20.579 --> 00:44:23.460
Yeah, there's some overlap, but here we go.

1018
00:44:23.579 --> 00:44:30.480
So this is her, and this is her making her point, and she doesn't

1019
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:34.199
need to apologise for it. and Deanna thanks her.

1020
00:44:34.260 --> 00:44:35.639
Do you know what I mean?

1021
00:44:35.699 --> 00:44:37.920
And she does go off and do what she's told.

1022
00:44:37.980 --> 00:44:41.760
Like, and all of this is things functioning as they should, that

1023
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:46.019
she should be making that point, and that it's Deanna's job to

1024
00:44:46.019 --> 00:44:47.940
decide between the 2 of them.

1025
00:44:48.059 --> 00:44:50.940
And so when she comes up and apologises at the end, because

1026
00:44:50.940 --> 00:44:55.320
essentially it turns out she was wrong, you know, that there were

1027
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:59.280
people and that they would have been abandoning people to die.

1028
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:03.780
And Deanna has to say, no, you could have been right.

1029
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:06.659
And it shouldn't have been her saying it.

1030
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:12.840
It needed to be Deanna to cement her role as a commanding officer

1031
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:13.019
I think.

1032
00:45:13.860 --> 00:45:18.179
The funny, I'm sorry to keep making these embarrassments in

1033
00:45:18.179 --> 00:45:21.420
Starship Down, when the same decision has to be made, like we go

1034
00:45:21.420 --> 00:45:22.739
I'll cut off this part of the ship.

1035
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.500
Otherwise, we're going to lose the ship and there's loads of

1036
00:45:25.500 --> 00:45:26.880
people in there, including Dax.

1037
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:28.440
Cisco just goes, do it.

1038
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:31.320
So hesitation at all.

1039
00:45:31.380 --> 00:45:32.699
He goes, taxis here.

1040
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.380
He went, yeah, we're going to lose the ship.

1041
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:34.800
Do it.

1042
00:45:34.860 --> 00:45:38.639
And that's why Bashir ends up saving her in the championship.

1043
00:45:41.820 --> 00:45:44.699
The singing song as well.

1044
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:46.500
The fucking climbing song.

1045
00:45:46.500 --> 00:45:48.179
They do a French one.

1046
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:51.659
That shot is amazingly good. good, isn't it?

1047
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:52.500
It's really good.

1048
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:53.760
So that's a model.

1049
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:57.300
Like, I think it's a model turbo lift, isn't it?

1050
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:57.780
A miniature?

1051
00:45:57.840 --> 00:45:58.980
Yeah.

1052
00:45:58.980 --> 00:46:01.019
It's not the only scene with miniatures.

1053
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.079
There's some stuff on the cargo bay that's miniatures.

1054
00:46:04.139 --> 00:46:07.079
I can't actually tell that's been superimposed with them in it.

1055
00:46:07.139 --> 00:46:08.519
It's really well done.

1056
00:46:08.579 --> 00:46:12.000
That's where your sort of increased budget comes in.

1057
00:46:12.059 --> 00:46:15.000
Yeah, your healthy science TNG budget.

1058
00:46:15.059 --> 00:46:17.880
And at this point, I know the budget was very healthy because the

1059
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:20.280
show was getting amazing view of figures.

1060
00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:21.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1061
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.460
Yeah, the climbing song.

1062
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:24.179
Jesus Christ.

1063
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.599
So here we get our Star Trek. and his dolphins.

1064
00:46:27.659 --> 00:46:29.519
Please can't they sing that?

1065
00:46:31.139 --> 00:46:34.860
Well, the laughing Vulcan is Cybok, isn't it?

1066
00:46:35.460 --> 00:46:39.719
Oh, that's as far as they'll go in referencing Cybalk, though.

1067
00:46:39.780 --> 00:46:40.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1068
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:42.480
Until we get to Coastman Shrek.

1069
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:43.139
Yeah.

1070
00:46:44.579 --> 00:46:47.340
And now we see a French song.

1071
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:50.639
For God's sake, we should be grateful it's not Sourle Paul

1072
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.260
d'Avignon at this point, I think.

1073
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:56.340
By the time we got to Kurtzman Trek, I feel the embarrassment of

1074
00:46:56.340 --> 00:46:58.619
Star Trek fired had maybe waned a little.

1075
00:46:58.679 --> 00:46:59.699
Yeah, yeah.

1076
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:03.059
And people saw how great it was in all sorts of ways, even though

1077
00:47:03.059 --> 00:47:04.139
it was utterly terrible as well.

1078
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:09.900
Imagine the, you know, the very serious Star Trek fan, I talked

1079
00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:11.099
about earlier, watching this.

1080
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:14.099
They're climbing up a lift with kids singing this song.

1081
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.320
I think...

1082
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:19.679
The kids all climb past the camera is really great.

1083
00:47:19.739 --> 00:47:21.719
That's a really great choice.

1084
00:47:21.780 --> 00:47:25.619
You know, they're directing this like an ordinary TV show, I

1085
00:47:25.619 --> 00:47:25.860
think.

1086
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:26.639
I really like it.

1087
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:30.300
Well, and normally, like, you know, I've watched a lot of Star

1088
00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:30.780
Trek.

1089
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:33.360
They climb up and down these ladders quite a bit and you've got

1090
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:37.019
you know, Jay Chataway going, da, da, da, da, da, usually.

1091
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.480
But for one week we're just going to sing this French song.

1092
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:41.519
Oh, here we go.

1093
00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:46.559
And look, he's watching her downstairs measuring how much she's

1094
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:47.219
dilated.

1095
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:51.659
He goes, you are now fully dilated.

1096
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:53.579
You may now give birth.

1097
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:55.920
Thanks for the permission wharf.

1098
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:58.019
What a twat.

1099
00:47:58.079 --> 00:47:59.579
Oh dear.

1100
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:03.599
And I love his embarrassed admission that he's never done it

1101
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:04.019
before.

1102
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:05.880
He says yes, and then he goes, no.

1103
00:48:07.019 --> 00:48:11.219
It was not like this in the Starfleet maternity training.

1104
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:12.659
No, yeah, the simulation.

1105
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:13.920
He did it on holodeck.

1106
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:20.039
Oh, and you know, do you remember the follow-up gag to this in a

1107
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:20.519
session?

1108
00:48:20.579 --> 00:48:25.320
It's not an episode where, um, what goes, Keiko's having a baby

1109
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:27.539
and wharf goes, now?

1110
00:48:27.780 --> 00:48:31.739
He goes, no, in 7 months.

1111
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:35.460
Oh dear.

1112
00:48:35.820 --> 00:48:41.340
Oh, Rose, can we just give some props to Rosalind Chow?

1113
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:42.900
I mean, I think she's always great.

1114
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:44.219
She always delivers.

1115
00:48:44.699 --> 00:48:48.599
She's so funny in these, she's doing proper sitcom.

1116
00:48:48.659 --> 00:48:51.179
Oh, I'm trying.

1117
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:54.059
I am pushing.

1118
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:58.920
I've seen this scene a 1000000 times in comedy shows, but it still

1119
00:48:58.920 --> 00:48:59.099
works.

1120
00:48:59.579 --> 00:49:02.760
Well, it works because it's weird here, right?

1121
00:49:02.820 --> 00:49:04.079
Yeah exactly.

1122
00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:05.400
It's not what we're used to seeing.

1123
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:07.440
No, and that's what's so fun about it.

1124
00:49:07.500 --> 00:49:08.820
That is what's so great about.

1125
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:12.300
Oh, can we move on from this techno bubble, please, Dr. Bev.

1126
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:12.599
Come on.

1127
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:15.420
I don't really like it.

1128
00:49:15.420 --> 00:49:19.019
We'll go unconscious where you get 10, like, what is it, 40

1129
00:49:19.019 --> 00:49:23.400
minutes, 40 seconds of useable kind of consciousness, then 10

1130
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:26.699
seconds of disorientation, and then we block, you know, then we

1131
00:49:26.699 --> 00:49:27.239
black out.

1132
00:49:27.300 --> 00:49:29.159
And this shot is pretty good.

1133
00:49:29.219 --> 00:49:33.300
It all relies on all of the fucking panels being in ridiculous

1134
00:49:33.300 --> 00:49:33.900
places.

1135
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:37.019
Oh, yeah, they have to go across the road that they're fighting

1136
00:49:37.019 --> 00:49:38.579
the wind as they go across...

1137
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.699
But like, I feel like all the other plots are trying to do

1138
00:49:41.699 --> 00:49:42.000
something.

1139
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:44.880
Yeah, this is very minimal, I think.

1140
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:48.119
This is the one that just has no character to it at all.

1141
00:49:48.179 --> 00:49:51.659
They're just there in a situation of peril, the end.

1142
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:56.579
But I think just the charm is we've got gates and and LeVar, you

1143
00:49:56.579 --> 00:49:58.260
know, doing a scene together, which is fun.

1144
00:49:58.320 --> 00:49:59.099
You know.

1145
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.619
That's a lovely shot of the barrels going out.

1146
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:04.800
That's of a miniature and the barrels are falling down.

1147
00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:10.739
It's a miniature shot from above and they let the barrels loose to

1148
00:50:10.739 --> 00:50:12.780
fall down, which makes them look like they're going out.

1149
00:50:12.900 --> 00:50:17.219
To be fair, I feel as if you do not need the vacuum of space, a

1150
00:50:17.219 --> 00:50:19.800
light sneeze would have sent them all going, but never mind.

1151
00:50:19.860 --> 00:50:22.380
Well, or just get some fire extinguishers.

1152
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:24.360
Yeah, this is so funny.

1153
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:26.820
This is having to do some physical acting.

1154
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:29.579
And she just sort of smack it.

1155
00:50:29.579 --> 00:50:30.599
Just smack it. doesn't matter.

1156
00:50:30.659 --> 00:50:31.139
You hit it.

1157
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:31.739
We're done.

1158
00:50:32.699 --> 00:50:35.039
And then she falls to the floor.

1159
00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:36.780
She's like, am I unconscious?

1160
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:41.699
I'll just sort of smile and look relieved.

1161
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:42.480
Oh, thank God.

1162
00:50:42.539 --> 00:50:44.519
That's adorable.

1163
00:50:44.820 --> 00:50:48.420
Oh, we are having fun with this one, aren't we?

1164
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:49.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1165
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:51.900
But even that plot, which is the thinnest of them.

1166
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:53.219
He's still tired.

1167
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.139
The trouble is, you know, you know what the trouble is with this

1168
00:50:55.139 --> 00:50:56.760
Nathan, is that now we've done this one.

1169
00:50:56.820 --> 00:50:57.780
There's never as fun again.

1170
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.840
We've never got this much fun with the next generation ever

1171
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:01.019
again.

1172
00:51:01.139 --> 00:51:02.340
I don't think we do.

1173
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:05.340
Not until, uh, perhaps Picard season three.

1174
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:06.960
I know, Rascals.

1175
00:51:07.019 --> 00:51:09.179
Oh, yeah, Rascals is really fun.

1176
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:10.559
And of course, the other one we always mentioned.

1177
00:51:10.619 --> 00:51:11.219
The game.

1178
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:12.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1179
00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:13.860
That's great fun.

1180
00:51:13.980 --> 00:51:16.199
Oh, there are fun episodes.

1181
00:51:16.260 --> 00:51:19.860
I love this, how the little things move around.

1182
00:51:22.019 --> 00:51:25.980
I just don't think there's another one, like you said, there's not

1183
00:51:25.980 --> 00:51:28.079
another one that bounces from one plot to another.

1184
00:51:28.139 --> 00:51:31.260
So sort of boy, you know, pacely.

1185
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:32.219
Yeah, yeah.

1186
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:36.239
It just feels like it's over with. like before it's even begun.

1187
00:51:36.300 --> 00:51:37.139
It goes so quick.

1188
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.539
Oh, I think it's that's really good.

1189
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:41.940
You know, like, I think there are a bunch of things going on in

1190
00:51:41.940 --> 00:51:42.840
data's day.

1191
00:51:42.900 --> 00:51:49.380
Um, and in lower decks, but it doesn't just have these 5 discrete

1192
00:51:49.380 --> 00:51:49.920
plots.

1193
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:52.260
It is experimental, I think.

1194
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:56.039
Yeah, look, look, wait, here's her hero moment.

1195
00:51:56.099 --> 00:51:59.400
She's just decided, yep, I'm sitting in the fucking chair now and

1196
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:02.039
look, the camera gives her a big moment.

1197
00:52:02.099 --> 00:52:03.599
Gabrielle moves in on her.

1198
00:52:03.659 --> 00:52:04.440
She crosses her leg.

1199
00:52:04.500 --> 00:52:07.019
And she grasps the arms.

1200
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:07.619
Did you see?

1201
00:52:07.739 --> 00:52:08.400
Yeah.

1202
00:52:08.460 --> 00:52:09.539
Oh, here now.

1203
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:14.219
I think the reason why these stupid plastic neck.

1204
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:18.000
Where's his body?

1205
00:52:18.059 --> 00:52:21.659
I don't understand. like it's under the table, isn't it?

1206
00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:23.460
He sticks through the thing.

1207
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:24.780
Hand through that.

1208
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:26.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1209
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:28.019
Oh, no.

1210
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:32.699
There's a fellow doing that in the London dungeons, you know. on

1211
00:52:32.699 --> 00:52:34.079
King Henry the 8th table.

1212
00:52:34.619 --> 00:52:39.780
The reason why Data's Day and Lower Decks, I think, are considered

1213
00:52:39.780 --> 00:52:43.380
more than this, is that this is just a bit of fluff and it doesn't

1214
00:52:43.380 --> 00:52:47.219
really, we say consequences for Troy, but it doesn't really, it's

1215
00:52:47.219 --> 00:52:48.420
just, it's a little fun thing.

1216
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:49.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1217
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:53.820
Data-day, absolutely has a Star Trek plot going on in the

1218
00:52:53.820 --> 00:52:57.599
background and it's Marvel Keiko's wedding, which is sort of

1219
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.900
important going forward and lower decks is an incredible bit of

1220
00:53:00.900 --> 00:53:01.320
drama.

1221
00:53:01.380 --> 00:53:01.739
Yeah.

1222
00:53:01.739 --> 00:53:06.000
But I just think it's okay to let our hair down and be fun.

1223
00:53:06.059 --> 00:53:09.539
How many times have we said this when we just hung out on DS9?

1224
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:10.860
Like, this is just fun, you know?

1225
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:13.260
This is Dharmok era.

1226
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:14.039
Do you know what I mean?

1227
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.860
And in a week or so, like I can't remember exactly what number

1228
00:53:16.860 --> 00:53:19.440
Darmok is, but it's the same month.

1229
00:53:19.500 --> 00:53:21.239
Surely that this is on.

1230
00:53:21.300 --> 00:53:23.280
We get Darmok and we get this.

1231
00:53:23.340 --> 00:53:26.579
And, you know, the show can do power play, you know?

1232
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:28.380
Everyone get down on the floor.

1233
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:33.840
Why, we do get the masterpiece society as well in this season.

1234
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:38.039
That is the curse of 26 episodes.

1235
00:53:38.099 --> 00:53:45.420
And so here's where we discover that Miles's and and Deanna's

1236
00:53:45.420 --> 00:53:49.739
decision, uh, um, is the right one.

1237
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:54.360
And it, like, I, you know, no, I think that's absolutely

1238
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:56.099
reasonable because there you go.

1239
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:58.260
She touches her and says you could easily have been right.

1240
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.920
And again, that scene is about her as a commander and it's not

1241
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:05.639
about Ron Ronald Dimour's favourite play thing.

1242
00:54:05.699 --> 00:54:06.960
I feel like the getting the photo.

1243
00:54:07.019 --> 00:54:10.619
The apologies, like a sour sweet in Michelle Forbes's mouth.

1244
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:12.420
She's like... yeah, yeah, yeah.

1245
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:14.820
I'm not the nice guy in anything, all right?

1246
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:18.599
Ron Moore's ironer up for Battle Star as we speak.

1247
00:54:18.659 --> 00:54:19.320
Yeah, absolutely.

1248
00:54:21.059 --> 00:54:22.920
And here we go.

1249
00:54:22.980 --> 00:54:24.300
This is the end of this plot.

1250
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:25.079
I love kitty winks.

1251
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:30.179
Oh, and I actually thought this was... is climb up by the lift.

1252
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:31.079
Yeah that's right.

1253
00:54:31.139 --> 00:54:32.340
That's right.

1254
00:54:32.579 --> 00:54:36.599
But he also turns them into a crew and he bonds with them.

1255
00:54:36.659 --> 00:54:39.420
So this does have a character thing happening.

1256
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:41.280
And like this.

1257
00:54:41.340 --> 00:54:44.340
Look, I just think the hug is so sweet.

1258
00:54:44.579 --> 00:54:46.260
Yeah, that's nice.

1259
00:54:46.260 --> 00:54:51.179
You've lost one of the kids, so...

1260
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:54.900
Look, there have been at least some sacrifice.

1261
00:54:54.960 --> 00:55:00.179
And then Marisa just gives you a hug and he's in there and then I

1262
00:55:00.179 --> 00:55:00.840
yeah, that's right.

1263
00:55:00.900 --> 00:55:02.760
The boys shake hands.

1264
00:55:02.820 --> 00:55:04.260
Nathan, that is enough, all right?

1265
00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:05.820
I don't need that last scene as well.

1266
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:07.980
No, I love the last scene. really funny.

1267
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:10.559
I'm going to be unbearable.

1268
00:55:10.619 --> 00:55:14.340
The last scene, the fun of the last scene is seeing Riker and

1269
00:55:14.340 --> 00:55:20.219
Troy's reaction to the captain's, the way the captain gets with

1270
00:55:20.219 --> 00:55:20.880
the kids.

1271
00:55:20.940 --> 00:55:21.960
Here we go.

1272
00:55:22.019 --> 00:55:22.739
She's fully dilated.

1273
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:25.679
Wolf goes...

1274
00:55:25.739 --> 00:55:27.059
Why has it not begun?

1275
00:55:28.619 --> 00:55:32.340
And it's one of those fabulous sitcom births, which happens in

1276
00:55:32.340 --> 00:55:35.340
about 3 seconds, you know, she just...

1277
00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:39.300
The baby is perfectly clean as well, isn't it?

1278
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:40.380
When it's happened.

1279
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:44.340
No, actually, I was surprised by how kind of, like the baby's eyes

1280
00:55:44.340 --> 00:55:47.159
are open a little bit earlier than you would normally expect.

1281
00:55:47.219 --> 00:55:48.420
Like...

1282
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:50.460
Excuse me, you wait for the last shot of this scene.

1283
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:53.099
The baby is in her arms in a shawl clean.

1284
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:56.519
Yeah, yeah, but it's still, it looks a bit grody when it comes out

1285
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:57.000
of it.

1286
00:55:57.059 --> 00:55:58.679
Push gate goal. push hard.

1287
00:55:58.739 --> 00:56:00.480
Push, get on this.

1288
00:56:00.539 --> 00:56:01.320
Push.

1289
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:02.099
Push.

1290
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:02.880
Here we go.

1291
00:56:02.940 --> 00:56:04.139
I am pushing.

1292
00:56:09.300 --> 00:56:11.639
He's so procedural.

1293
00:56:11.699 --> 00:56:13.800
The baby is emerging headfirst.

1294
00:56:17.579 --> 00:56:19.800
Oh, look at her face.

1295
00:56:19.860 --> 00:56:20.760
Go on, Rosa.

1296
00:56:20.820 --> 00:56:22.860
She's really, Sally, isn't she?

1297
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:23.519
She's so good.

1298
00:56:23.579 --> 00:56:24.960
She's so funny.

1299
00:56:25.019 --> 00:56:25.559
That's it.

1300
00:56:25.619 --> 00:56:26.579
Look, that's it.

1301
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:27.360
The paint's all over.

1302
00:56:27.420 --> 00:56:28.320
Two seconds.

1303
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:29.099
Whee.

1304
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:31.139
I will smack the child to induce breathing.

1305
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:32.219
So funny.

1306
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:36.719
Oh yeah, it's a bit gunky there, actually.

1307
00:56:36.780 --> 00:56:38.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1308
00:56:38.340 --> 00:56:39.239
See, there you go.

1309
00:56:39.300 --> 00:56:43.320
That's little Molly. will cut the umbilical cord.

1310
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:48.780
He's got a space thing to do that with, which is kind of cool.

1311
00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:49.860
We cut away.

1312
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:52.260
We can't see that.

1313
00:56:52.260 --> 00:56:52.500
Yeah.

1314
00:56:52.980 --> 00:56:56.519
You know, the baby's sort of sweaty and gunky there.

1315
00:56:56.579 --> 00:56:59.579
He adds it to her. clean watch.

1316
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:07.380
It's a special fabric that cleans up babies, you know, in the

1317
00:57:07.380 --> 00:57:07.559
future.

1318
00:57:07.619 --> 00:57:09.539
It's a space future fabric.

1319
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:14.099
I really love how he says I believe she looks like Chief O'Brien.

1320
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:15.239
That's so cute.

1321
00:57:15.300 --> 00:57:19.860
And look, again, the warmth, it's so nice, isn't it?

1322
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:20.579
It's lovely.

1323
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:21.659
But yes, you're right.

1324
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:25.800
The baby is very, very cleaned up and quite alert for some for a

1325
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:26.579
newborn, I think.

1326
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:31.260
Astonishing to think, you know, that cute little baby there could

1327
00:57:31.260 --> 00:57:34.139
grow up to be one of those loathsome children that we've spent

1328
00:57:34.139 --> 00:57:35.579
this episode with.

1329
00:57:36.539 --> 00:57:39.960
I only insult children to see your reaction.

1330
00:57:40.019 --> 00:57:41.820
I love Molly.

1331
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:43.139
She goes, tell me a story.

1332
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:47.219
Oh.

1333
00:57:47.219 --> 00:57:48.480
That's in my name.

1334
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:54.179
And this is so much fun.

1335
00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:55.920
And you know the Battle Bridge?

1336
00:57:55.980 --> 00:57:59.219
The thing about the Battle Bridge is we love the fucking Battle

1337
00:57:59.219 --> 00:58:01.860
Bridge and we love the separation.

1338
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:04.980
We never go there because we introduce a new model of the

1339
00:58:04.980 --> 00:58:06.840
enterprise that doesn't do that.

1340
00:58:06.900 --> 00:58:09.599
And so it never happens again.

1341
00:58:09.659 --> 00:58:11.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1342
00:58:11.579 --> 00:58:12.119
Yeah.

1343
00:58:12.179 --> 00:58:16.199
So they build this new model, which is more detailed. world.

1344
00:58:16.260 --> 00:58:17.340
Yeah.

1345
00:58:17.699 --> 00:58:19.199
Oh, look.

1346
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:21.179
I'm genuinely happy he is to see them.

1347
00:58:21.300 --> 00:58:24.000
Sheep ass plaque that they've made him look.

1348
00:58:24.059 --> 00:58:28.079
They've handwritten it and they've spelled poor old Patterson's.

1349
00:58:28.139 --> 00:58:30.900
They've spelled poor old Patterson's last name.

1350
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:34.199
I think the radish kid goes, I did the back bit.

1351
00:58:34.260 --> 00:58:35.820
Yeah, that's Patterson.

1352
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:36.300
He's great.

1353
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.539
Oh, yeah, he's got to grow up to do great things.

1354
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:40.320
I can tell.

1355
00:58:40.739 --> 00:58:43.500
Oh, I can't watch this next back.

1356
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:48.239
Sorry, the plaque has the actor's last names on it.

1357
00:58:50.940 --> 00:58:53.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1358
00:58:53.099 --> 00:58:53.519
Oh, yeah.

1359
00:58:53.579 --> 00:58:54.360
Yeah.

1360
00:58:54.659 --> 00:58:58.559
Marissa, Jake Gordon, and Patterson have the same last names as

1361
00:58:58.559 --> 00:58:59.340
the actors do.

1362
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:02.519
Is it the plaque that comes back later on or is it the Captain

1363
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:03.599
Picard State sign?

1364
00:59:03.659 --> 00:59:05.460
One of them is in Kursman Track.

1365
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:07.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah. very funny.

1366
00:59:07.139 --> 00:59:09.119
Oh, boy, that look.

1367
00:59:09.179 --> 00:59:12.119
Oh, I don't even, I think that's so key to look.

1368
00:59:12.179 --> 00:59:13.559
Oh, that's so adorable.

1369
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:15.059
You know what that is.

1370
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.699
That is the end of a Brody Bunch episode.

1371
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:19.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1372
00:59:19.139 --> 00:59:20.039
Yeah, I love it.

1373
00:59:20.099 --> 00:59:22.079
Little house on the Prairie or something like that.

1374
00:59:22.139 --> 00:59:22.980
Yeah.

1375
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:23.760
Oh boy.

1376
00:59:23.820 --> 00:59:26.280
I think that's the bit where the Star Trek fans were going, no

1377
00:59:26.340 --> 00:59:28.860
searching for their remotes desperately.

1378
00:59:28.980 --> 00:59:31.380
That is so much fun.

1379
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:32.519
Just tremendous.

1380
00:59:32.579 --> 00:59:33.239
Oh my god.

1381
00:59:33.300 --> 00:59:34.739
The next episode started.

1382
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:35.519
And guess what it is?

1383
00:59:35.579 --> 00:59:36.000
The game.

1384
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:38.699
Yeah.

1385
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:42.239
See, this is an incredible run, the beginning of series 5, Star

1386
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:45.719
Trek, the Next Generation, and it's varied, you know, like the

1387
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:50.159
game is serious in all sorts of ways, but it's hilarious and camp

1388
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:51.360
and sort of wonderful as well.

1389
00:59:51.420 --> 00:59:55.679
Riker is wrestling a woman around in a bedroom on Riker.

1390
00:59:55.739 --> 00:59:57.780
I'm just going to turn that off quickly because I don't want to

1391
00:59:57.780 --> 00:59:58.139
see that.

1392
00:59:58.199 --> 00:59:59.880
So that woman comes back.

1393
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.639
She actually is the one who takes over the ship at the end.

1394
01:00:02.699 --> 01:00:05.099
Remember, she's the scary one who appears on the on the view

1395
01:00:05.099 --> 01:00:06.239
screen. at the end.

1396
01:00:06.300 --> 01:00:08.159
She sort of camps.

1397
01:00:08.219 --> 01:00:12.239
She seems to suggest, she seems to suggest, she's dressed in lever

1398
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:14.699
as well, and she goes, hard.

1399
01:00:14.820 --> 01:00:18.420
You will take the Enterprise to Starfleet Command and start

1400
01:00:18.420 --> 01:00:19.679
handing them out to everybody.

1401
01:00:19.739 --> 01:00:22.199
And the idea is they're going to take home that whole federation

1402
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:22.559
with this.

1403
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:23.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1404
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:24.300
It's awesome.

1405
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:26.940
It's like an alien version. like the Borg only.

1406
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:30.059
What if the Borg but sexy ladies with video games, you know?

1407
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:35.039
Star Trek Appreciation Society, their latest fans in, what has

1408
01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:37.019
happened to the magic of Star Trek?

1409
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:40.679
But that's the exact thing that Star Trek should be doing.

1410
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:43.440
It's a really glorious era of the show, I think.

1411
01:00:43.500 --> 01:00:47.639
Not always, but definitely a good couple of times a year.

1412
01:00:47.699 --> 01:00:52.679
They should just go for camp, bum, sort of B movie, Star Trek.

1413
01:00:52.739 --> 01:00:53.940
I absolutely think that, yeah.

1414
01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:55.019
I mean, they kind of do.

1415
01:00:55.019 --> 01:00:57.480
To varying degrees of success.

1416
01:00:57.539 --> 01:00:59.099
Yeah, that's right.

1417
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:03.900
Captain's Holiday, Cupid, Genesis, tapestry.

1418
01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:05.639
Like tapestry is serious.

1419
01:01:05.699 --> 01:01:09.300
It does have a serious moral in a way, but it also is just

1420
01:01:09.300 --> 01:01:11.099
hilariously camp and funny.

1421
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:13.440
You have a bit in tapestry that always gets me.

1422
01:01:13.500 --> 01:01:15.000
So I know we're talking about upper episodes now.

1423
01:01:15.059 --> 01:01:16.320
But John, the...

1424
01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:18.300
That was very funny.

1425
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:22.019
The bit where where he goes back to the ship after history's been

1426
01:01:22.019 --> 01:01:26.219
changed and he's this lonely lieutenant and Reich goes, I don't

1427
01:01:26.219 --> 01:01:27.659
really think you're for command.

1428
01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:30.300
You know, you're getting a bit above yourself.

1429
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:32.940
I think you'll be fine, you know, in the bowels of the ship.

1430
01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:36.119
The look on Picard's body.

1431
01:01:36.300 --> 01:01:38.880
Do you know who you're talking to?

1432
01:01:38.940 --> 01:01:40.139
It's marvellous.

1433
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:40.980
And I know.

1434
01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:42.780
And we've said this a 1000000 times.

1435
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:45.119
This is the golden period of the next generation, you know?

1436
01:01:45.179 --> 01:01:49.559
They're odd, but they're knocking them out one after another. very

1437
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:51.840
watchable sort of genre TV.

1438
01:01:51.900 --> 01:01:56.639
Yeah, worth saying, these aren't terrific character tales, any of

1439
01:01:56.639 --> 01:01:56.760
them.

1440
01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:58.679
No, no, no, but they're not intending.

1441
01:01:58.679 --> 01:01:59.400
It's fun to watch.

1442
01:01:59.460 --> 01:02:00.480
How can we object to that?

1443
01:02:00.539 --> 01:02:01.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1444
01:02:01.739 --> 01:02:06.480
And these sort of high concept stuff is what the other 90s Star

1445
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:08.699
Trek things build on, I think.

1446
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:12.599
I think given the amount we laughed through that episode.

1447
01:02:12.659 --> 01:02:16.980
I'm going to have to dismiss my somewhat, you know, cold comments

1448
01:02:16.980 --> 01:02:20.400
at the start and just say what a riot that was.

1449
01:02:20.460 --> 01:02:21.780
Yeah, 10 out of 10.

1450
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:23.219
We're back at madness.

1451
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:24.179
No, no.

1452
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:33.719
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1453
01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:35.880
find out what we're going to be doing next time.

1454
01:02:35.940 --> 01:02:43.019
It's my turn on the randomiser. and I am just going to choose 90s

1455
01:02:43.019 --> 01:02:43.500
trek.

1456
01:02:43.619 --> 01:02:44.699
Oh, wonderful.

1457
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:47.159
Yeah, I think so.

1458
01:02:47.219 --> 01:02:49.619
I think that was so much fun.

1459
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:54.840
I think we've had a bit of a kind of good round of 90s Streke

1460
01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:58.920
episodes, and both types are really fun to talk about, and who

1461
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:01.079
knows, maybe we'll get a very mid...

1462
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:02.579
Well, no, I think given...

1463
01:03:02.579 --> 01:03:04.079
So far, you just made that statement.

1464
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:06.719
Odds are, it's going to be very boring indeed.

1465
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:07.980
Very boring.

1466
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:08.519
All right.

1467
01:03:08.579 --> 01:03:09.599
Well let's see how we go.

1468
01:03:10.260 --> 01:03:12.059
Lineage.

1469
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:15.480
Which we did in episode three.

1470
01:03:15.539 --> 01:03:17.880
Come on, Bala, talk to me.

1471
01:03:17.940 --> 01:03:19.500
Oh my god.

1472
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:27.480
Similitude, Star Trek Enterprise episode similitude, series 3

1473
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:28.380
episode 10.

1474
01:03:28.860 --> 01:03:32.460
I think it's another one of those sort of, those 2 trips

1475
01:03:32.460 --> 01:03:33.300
episodes.

1476
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:35.039
That doesn't sound very fun.

1477
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:36.300
Probably again.

1478
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:37.440
Okay, let's not do that.

1479
01:03:37.500 --> 01:03:39.599
These are the voyages.

1480
01:03:39.900 --> 01:03:41.880
No, it's not fun.

1481
01:03:41.940 --> 01:03:42.719
I'm following it again.

1482
01:03:42.780 --> 01:03:43.500
Yeah.

1483
01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:52.139
Series 7, episode 5 of Deep Space 9, yet another series 7, episode

1484
01:03:52.139 --> 01:03:53.400
of Deep Space 9.

1485
01:03:53.460 --> 01:03:55.019
Chrysalis.

1486
01:03:55.139 --> 01:03:57.420
So you know what that one is, don't you?

1487
01:03:57.480 --> 01:03:59.880
It's the 2nd episode with the jackpack.

1488
01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:03.960
Yeah, yeah, statistical probabilities and then chrysalis.

1489
01:04:04.019 --> 01:04:06.900
It's where they're trying to change the cosmological constant of

1490
01:04:06.900 --> 01:04:12.059
the universe. and they sing, do re, me, fas.

1491
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:12.960
Oh, that is really great.

1492
01:04:13.380 --> 01:04:18.360
It is also one of those romance episodes where you're sort of on

1493
01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:23.099
edge because Bashir is technically romancing one of his patients

1494
01:04:23.099 --> 01:04:24.659
in his charge again.

1495
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:25.800
Yeah.

1496
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:27.900
Yeah.

1497
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:29.579
All right.

1498
01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:32.039
I think we can move quickly on from that.

1499
01:04:32.340 --> 01:04:35.219
Oh, what do you think of this?

1500
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:41.579
Your random Star Trek The Next Generation episode is season one

1501
01:04:41.579 --> 01:04:45.059
episode 20, Heart of Glory.

1502
01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:49.980
Always, what, the best episode of series one.

1503
01:04:50.099 --> 01:04:54.960
Possibly, it's the 1st Klingon episode of Star Trek the Next

1504
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:55.440
Generation.

1505
01:04:55.500 --> 01:05:01.559
It's got some very good direction, as far as I remember.

1506
01:05:01.619 --> 01:05:08.280
So this is, this is, uh, Rob Bowman's 1st episode of TNG that he

1507
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:11.519
directs, he goes on to direct Q Who in episode two.

1508
01:05:11.579 --> 01:05:15.480
He's our very good pair of hands when it comes to TNG and he would

1509
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:19.559
go on to direct a ton of X-Files and one of the movies as well.

1510
01:05:19.619 --> 01:05:22.559
And you can see it on the screen.

1511
01:05:22.619 --> 01:05:25.920
I remember there's a sequence towards the end where they're in

1512
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:29.699
engineering and he's shooting up through the glass and the action

1513
01:05:29.699 --> 01:05:32.340
is just being done in really dynamic ways.

1514
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:34.199
I think that's probably something worth doing.

1515
01:05:34.260 --> 01:05:37.500
It's probably worth being nice about the 1st season as well

1516
01:05:37.500 --> 01:05:39.599
because let's be honest, we're not going to have many

1517
01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:40.500
opportunities to do that.

1518
01:05:41.340 --> 01:05:45.900
Well, there are things about the 1st season that I think are lost

1519
01:05:45.900 --> 01:05:50.820
that are genuinely interesting that are lost when we kind of get

1520
01:05:50.820 --> 01:05:54.539
the takeover at the beginning of series 3 and everything is kind

1521
01:05:54.539 --> 01:05:56.760
of homogenised and made a bit more sensible.

1522
01:05:56.820 --> 01:05:59.940
And I think we do lose something and part of that is in the

1523
01:05:59.940 --> 01:06:00.900
lighting in the direction.

1524
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:03.300
We haven't quite established the look of the show.

1525
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:05.880
So things happen in those series.

1526
01:06:05.940 --> 01:06:07.380
Yeah, that never happen again.

1527
01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:10.739
I think it'll be an interesting an interesting one to look at.

1528
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:12.539
It is very mid.

1529
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:14.880
And it's the 1st spotlight on Wharf as well.

1530
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:16.380
Yeah, let's do it.

1531
01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:18.000
That's a really interesting choice.

1532
01:06:18.059 --> 01:06:18.780
Yeah, brilliant.

1533
01:06:26.579 --> 01:06:30.480
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1534
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:34.500
and Nathan Bottomley, where online is untitled Star Trek project

1535
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:37.079
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1536
01:06:37.079 --> 01:06:37.920
media accounts.

1537
01:06:37.980 --> 01:06:42.000
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1538
01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:43.679
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1539
01:06:43.739 --> 01:06:48.059
This episode was recorded on the 30th of April 2024 and released

1540
01:06:48.059 --> 01:06:49.440
on the 17th of May.

1541
01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:53.639
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, The Next Generation, heart

1542
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:54.239
of glory.

1543
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:12.480
Yeah, good choice.

1544
01:07:12.539 --> 01:07:13.139
Yeah.

1545
01:07:16.619 --> 01:07:19.739
They haven't fully formed the Klingons as well.

1546
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:24.239
So it's, you can see they're not quite raw, I don't think he run

1547
01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:26.340
walls on board yet, and he does all of that.

1548
01:07:26.460 --> 01:07:31.199
Well, yeah, it's like the 1st annual wharf Klingon story, but it's

1549
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:34.199
the 1st one that's, and it's the one that's done without Ron

1550
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:35.099
Moore.

1551
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:38.639
And then we get, like, what's the one that happens in series 2.

1552
01:07:38.940 --> 01:07:45.000
Uh, Oh, maybe it's just matter of honour.

1553
01:07:45.059 --> 01:07:47.820
Um, a matter of honour, but that's not really war.

1554
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:49.320
Riker, isn't it?

1555
01:07:49.380 --> 01:07:50.039
Riker goes.

1556
01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:50.760
Yeah.

1557
01:07:50.820 --> 01:07:51.780
Yeah.

1558
01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:54.000
And then we get the emissary.

1559
01:07:54.059 --> 01:07:55.559
Oh, brilliant.

1560
01:07:55.619 --> 01:07:56.519
Yeah.

1561
01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:57.719
It's not until late.

1562
01:07:57.780 --> 01:08:00.420
Actually, you're right. when we get into the later seasons, I was

1563
01:08:00.420 --> 01:08:05.940
playing on episodes, you get birthright and that are also boring

1564
01:08:05.940 --> 01:08:06.900
and shitty.

1565
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:08.039
Yeah, the last series.

1566
01:08:08.099 --> 01:08:10.380
There's a couple of Cleveland episodes, which...

1567
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:12.300
Yeah, yeah.

1568
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:13.619
But I think that kind of happens.

1569
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:15.000
Like, what's the K-less one?

1570
01:08:18.060 --> 01:08:19.979
Rightful, rightful air.

1571
01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:22.859
Yeah, that's so boring.

1572
01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:26.399
Like all of that stuff is sort of super dull, I think.

1573
01:08:26.460 --> 01:08:28.260
It is diminishing returns.

1574
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:31.140
I think they made the right choice, actually, when they brought

1575
01:08:31.140 --> 01:08:34.619
the Klingons big into DSN Iowa. just go to war with them for a

1576
01:08:34.619 --> 01:08:35.159
year, you know?

1577
01:08:35.220 --> 01:08:36.479
Yeah, yeah.

1578
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:37.920
Like the shit out of a load of things.

1579
01:08:38.100 --> 01:08:39.479
Yeah.

1580
01:08:39.539 --> 01:08:43.439
Well, I still think, like, I understand why people don't like the

1581
01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:46.920
Discovery Klingons from series one, but I do because I think the

1582
01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:48.420
Kleons were so played.

1583
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:51.300
And if you were going to do the clunes, you had to reinterpret

1584
01:08:51.300 --> 01:08:51.539
them.

1585
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:53.520
And the film is already doing that.

1586
01:08:53.579 --> 01:08:58.560
Like the way the Klingons look in Discovery Series one is how they

1587
01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:01.859
look in Star Trek into Darkness.

1588
01:09:01.859 --> 01:09:03.420
Very similar.

1589
01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:06.720
Like the makeups is quite similar.

1590
01:09:06.779 --> 01:09:09.060
Like, and they're no longer cuddly.

1591
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:10.619
Like they're much scarier looking.

1592
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:13.680
Are they even around in discovery now?

1593
01:09:13.739 --> 01:09:15.899
We haven't seen them, no.

1594
01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:19.260
Yeah, maybe because there was such a reaction.

1595
01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:21.060
I just thought, okay, we'll park back.

1596
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:23.579
Well, no, they are in Strangely Worlds, though.

1597
01:09:23.699 --> 01:09:25.380
They're in Strangely World Series too.

1598
01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:30.060
So we do see them and they do look much more like...

1599
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:36.600
But there's actually a really great, like a, it's like a, it's

1600
01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:40.680
like episode 2 where Laan comes back and the Klingons are in that

1601
01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:41.460
and they're really good.

1602
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:43.020
Like I think that's a pretty good episode.

1603
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:47.159
Oh, yeah, actually, there's, and there's a thing with Mabenga and

1604
01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:49.619
um, and Christina.

1605
01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:50.279
Christine?

1606
01:09:50.340 --> 01:09:53.279
I think I called her Christina the other way, Christine Chappel.

1607
01:09:53.340 --> 01:09:55.739
Everyone's called Chris or Christine on that show.

1608
01:09:55.800 --> 01:10:00.060
Christina Chong, Christine Chappel, Chris.

1609
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:02.460
I've got Roberts in all the Rogers.

1610
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:05.220
Harry Cruz, are there?

1611
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:07.800
And, you know, in DS9, good, Chris, though.

1612
01:10:07.859 --> 01:10:11.579
DS9, it's hard to figure out which of the aliens names, the actual

1613
01:10:11.579 --> 01:10:12.779
aliens or the actors.

1614
01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:15.119
You know, they're all for such weird names.

1615
01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:17.699
Americans.

1616
01:10:17.699 --> 01:10:21.000
I'm supposed to watch some of that. my week up.

1617
01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:22.260
I suppose we got another week coming.

1618
01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:27.239
In fact, my 2nd week off is a lot lighter than my 1st week off.

1619
01:10:27.300 --> 01:10:30.720
So, I, I, I just so enjoy it.

1620
01:10:30.779 --> 01:10:35.819
The last 4 days, I've so enjoyed just doing nothing.

1621
01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:37.739
It's so nice.

1622
01:10:37.739 --> 01:10:41.640
After a couple of walks and yeah, we watched some movies, but

1623
01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:42.840
that's doing nothing, isn't it?

1624
01:10:42.899 --> 01:10:43.140
No.

1625
01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:44.279
Nice.

1626
01:10:44.340 --> 01:10:49.020
Well, and we're halfway through Discovery Series 5.

1627
01:10:49.859 --> 01:10:52.739
There's only like 5 episodes left.

1628
01:10:52.979 --> 01:10:55.920
I'm liking it, but...

1629
01:10:55.920 --> 01:11:02.039
You know, all the things that I wanted, which were, it would be

1630
01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:05.760
lighter and more fun and a little bit kind of higher concept and

1631
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:06.899
Celia and stuff.

1632
01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:10.619
Um, all of that's happening and the episodes have been quite

1633
01:11:10.619 --> 01:11:11.279
varied.

1634
01:11:11.340 --> 01:11:16.500
They did a strange time loopy paradox episode, which is sort of

1635
01:11:16.500 --> 01:11:21.479
like a cross between magic to make the sanest man go mad and, um

1636
01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:24.720
worst case scenario.

1637
01:11:24.779 --> 01:11:29.760
Um, like, and that was pretty good and it had a character thing

1638
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:30.479
and all of that.

1639
01:11:30.539 --> 01:11:39.180
So they're doing weird, surprising things, but it's not, you know

1640
01:11:39.180 --> 01:11:41.039
when it's sort of being strange.

1641
01:11:41.100 --> 01:11:44.279
It's a little bit too kind of, we've mastered this now, we know

1642
01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:44.939
how to do it.

1643
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:47.880
And part of what I liked about Discovery was just kind of that it

1644
01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:51.779
was a bit ramshackle and was never quite sure what it was doing

1645
01:11:51.779 --> 01:11:54.600
and it was doing things that were trying things that were strange

1646
01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:55.979
and stuff like that.

1647
01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:58.979
And then we've had 2 seasons of Strangely Worlds where everything

1648
01:11:58.979 --> 01:12:00.239
is behaving.

1649
01:12:00.300 --> 01:12:01.140
Do you know what I mean?

1650
01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:04.800
according to plan and well thought out and well done.

1651
01:12:04.859 --> 01:12:08.279
And in fact, the 5th episode just now used all of the enterprise

1652
01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:08.760
sets.

1653
01:12:08.819 --> 01:12:14.699
We actually go on the Enterprise, uh, or an Enterprise, but just

1654
01:12:14.699 --> 01:12:16.439
using the Strangely World sets.

1655
01:12:16.500 --> 01:12:20.520
And it is just a little bit too in control of itself, I think.

1656
01:12:20.579 --> 01:12:25.439
A bit like the poetry era, you know, it came in with series season

1657
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:28.680
7, a shock to the system, and what the hell is this, and we've

1658
01:12:28.680 --> 01:12:32.039
never done any of this before, and then it just got very good at

1659
01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:36.420
doing what it was doing, but it was less edgy and...

1660
01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:41.100
Or maybe, maybe series 3 of Star Trek, the Next Generation, where

1661
01:12:41.100 --> 01:12:44.039
it's kind of like, let's put a stop to all this nonsense.

1662
01:12:44.100 --> 01:12:48.000
We know how to do this and so they just do it and it is sort of

1663
01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:51.000
confident and stuff, but it just kind of feels a little bit less

1664
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:53.220
odd and experimental.

1665
01:12:53.279 --> 01:12:55.979
And of course, the big appeal for me when Discovery 1st came on

1666
01:12:55.979 --> 01:12:59.399
was like, this is TV, Star Trek, and I've never seen anything like

1667
01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:00.000
it before.

1668
01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:02.220
And it's like, I'm so here for that.

1669
01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:03.720
That's absolutely what I want.

1670
01:13:03.779 --> 01:13:07.560
I don't want to just capture the...

1671
01:13:07.560 --> 01:13:09.359
It's still discovery.

1672
01:13:09.420 --> 01:13:10.140
Do you know what I mean?

1673
01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:14.340
It still does things that TNG would never do, but it is stuff that

1674
01:13:14.340 --> 01:13:16.979
we have mostly sort of seen before, I think.

1675
01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:17.760
Right.

1676
01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:18.899
Yeah.

1677
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:21.300
I probably really like it then, wouldn't I?

1678
01:13:21.420 --> 01:13:24.960
The other thing, too, is that I think they're finding it hard to

1679
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:32.220
schedule the regulars and so so Detma and Owo aren't in it as much

1680
01:13:32.220 --> 01:13:34.319
as they could be.

1681
01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:39.960
And in the last episode, they seemed really clearly just absent.

1682
01:13:40.020 --> 01:13:40.979
Do you know what I mean?

1683
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:42.899
In fact, Michael sends them off.

1684
01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:45.960
We don't even see something, but Michael says, oh, they're going

1685
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:48.060
back to Federation headquarters to do a thing.

1686
01:13:48.180 --> 01:13:50.579
And so it's like they can't get those actors.

1687
01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:53.520
They've been in the season, but they're not in the whole season.

1688
01:13:53.579 --> 01:13:57.840
But they do have Tilly and Adira back who, and they cross both of

1689
01:13:57.840 --> 01:13:58.859
them in series 4.

1690
01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:02.159
They're off and they notice the last season, so they're off doing

1691
01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:02.640
auditions.

1692
01:14:02.699 --> 01:14:04.859
We can't, no, we've got no time.

1693
01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:09.000
The whole thing was interrupted 1st by COVID, and then by the

1694
01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:13.319
rider's strike, and so it's been going since 2017 or something

1695
01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:15.899
like that, you know, like it's been going a long time.

1696
01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:20.819
Think that we've had 4 series of lower decks and 3 of Picard and

1697
01:14:20.819 --> 01:14:25.979
like even 2 of Strangely Worlds in the time that that's been on.

1698
01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:30.119
You know, that's lasted longer than Star Trek the Next

1699
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:30.600
Generation.

1700
01:14:30.659 --> 01:14:32.100
I wouldn't be surprised.

1701
01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:36.180
So they're finding it hard to keep the, and you know, that, like

1702
01:14:36.180 --> 01:14:40.800
that's a difference that discovery has over the other episodes

1703
01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:44.100
over the other shows mostly, is that the cast changes all the

1704
01:14:44.100 --> 01:14:44.880
time.

1705
01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:48.300
There are always people joining and leaving, which is good.

1706
01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:49.439
I think that's fine.

1707
01:14:49.500 --> 01:14:53.760
Um, But you know, you haven't got Saru on the ship.

1708
01:14:53.819 --> 01:14:58.739
Um, uh, he's still in it, but he's not on the ship, um, and he

1709
01:14:58.739 --> 01:15:01.739
wasn't in the last episode and possibly even the episode before

1710
01:15:01.739 --> 01:15:02.039
that.

1711
01:15:02.100 --> 01:15:02.939
I can't even remember.

1712
01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:06.359
So it all just feels like the party's over a little bit, I think

1713
01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:06.720
too.

1714
01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:09.479
Oh, it'd be interesting to see it.

1715
01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:11.880
Oh, I need to watch 4 first. and I need to watch.

1716
01:15:11.939 --> 01:15:15.899
The last lower deck season and I need to watch the 2nd stretchy

1717
01:15:15.899 --> 01:15:16.439
well season.

1718
01:15:16.500 --> 01:15:19.739
I reckon the 2nd Stranger World season should be the priority

1719
01:15:19.739 --> 01:15:21.000
because it's as fun as hell.

1720
01:15:21.060 --> 01:15:22.859
I've been watching Babylon 5.

1721
01:15:23.100 --> 01:15:24.180
What is wrong with me?

1722
01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:26.159
God, what are you thinking?

1723
01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:29.880
Oh, some of those costumes, mate.

1724
01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:35.220
It's a cardboard and the...

1725
01:15:35.220 --> 01:15:36.960
Every fucking cartoon spaceships.

1726
01:15:37.020 --> 01:15:40.439
Now, I won't say it's not enjoyable. because there's some bloody

1727
01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:41.039
good act.

1728
01:15:41.100 --> 01:15:45.960
Andreas Catsula is one of the regulars and fucking amazingly good

1729
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:46.800
in it.

1730
01:15:46.859 --> 01:15:47.640
Yeah, he is great.

1731
01:15:47.699 --> 01:15:48.720
He's pretty good.

1732
01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:51.300
And so is the fellow who plays blondo piece of Jurassic.

1733
01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:52.439
He's terrific as well.

1734
01:15:52.500 --> 01:15:53.880
Every time they're on the screen.

1735
01:15:53.939 --> 01:15:58.380
I'm just gripped the rest of the time when Claudia Christian and

1736
01:15:58.380 --> 01:16:02.159
what's his name, Michael O'Hare and all that, I'm just like, oh.

1737
01:16:02.220 --> 01:16:05.159
Oh, the human characters are so boring.

1738
01:16:06.060 --> 01:16:10.560
He writes all of the aliens with eccentricity and humour.

1739
01:16:10.619 --> 01:16:15.300
So they immediately just very likeable, flawed, funny characters

1740
01:16:15.300 --> 01:16:16.800
and you love being with them.

1741
01:16:16.859 --> 01:16:20.100
The 2nd you go across 2 of them, and they do, honestly, it's the

1742
01:16:20.100 --> 01:16:24.479
worst example of daytime soap romance dialogue I've ever seen.

1743
01:16:24.539 --> 01:16:27.720
And because there's this sort of cod electronic score playing.

1744
01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:31.140
It is literally like a scene from Neighbours or murder she wrote.

1745
01:16:31.260 --> 01:16:32.760
Oh, man.

1746
01:16:32.819 --> 01:16:34.380
The woman's, what is it, she said?

1747
01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:36.960
You know, don't touch me unless you mean it.

1748
01:16:37.020 --> 01:16:39.180
I can't have you break my heart.

1749
01:16:39.779 --> 01:16:41.399
Oh no.

1750
01:16:41.460 --> 01:16:45.960
And yet people were telling me that this stuff is beyond criticism

1751
01:16:46.020 --> 01:16:51.119
you know, this fully formed TV show and the special effects.

1752
01:16:51.180 --> 01:16:57.060
Like there's real, there is genuine, it's leagues ahead of what

1753
01:16:57.060 --> 01:17:02.520
they're trying to do with TNG at this point, which TNG. just doing

1754
01:17:02.520 --> 01:17:03.840
flyovers. or things like that.

1755
01:17:03.899 --> 01:17:07.079
They're trying to do battle Star Galactica style effects of, you

1756
01:17:07.079 --> 01:17:11.699
know, X-Wings coming out, going in through the bowels of Babylon 5

1757
01:17:11.699 --> 01:17:13.380
and all of this ambition.

1758
01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:17.100
It's just the technology just isn't there for them to do it.

1759
01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:20.760
So it veers between being dynamic.

1760
01:17:21.060 --> 01:17:23.640
And a blurry cartoon.

1761
01:17:23.699 --> 01:17:26.760
You know, it's...

1762
01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:30.840
And you know, I've made a few comments about that and boy, oh, boy

1763
01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:32.819
I'll bring shit some pushback.

1764
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:34.439
How dare you?

1765
01:17:34.500 --> 01:17:35.159
you know?

1766
01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:37.800
The 1st show to get it, right?

1767
01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:39.539
is Battle Cy Galactica, isn't it?

1768
01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:43.859
Like the new Battle Circle Galactica just absolutely nails.

1769
01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:45.659
The technology was there then, you know?

1770
01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:46.619
Yeah that's right.

1771
01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:49.439
Well, the right time to get it right.

1772
01:17:49.500 --> 01:17:51.479
Well, and because it does all of that.

1773
01:17:51.539 --> 01:17:54.300
Weird camera workout in space, doesn't it?

1774
01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:55.020
All the...

1775
01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:55.979
That's technology too.

1776
01:17:56.039 --> 01:17:57.720
You can't do that without the technology.

1777
01:17:57.779 --> 01:17:58.500
Do you know what I mean?

1778
01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:01.680
It's that odd camera work where you're even pulling focus, like

1779
01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:05.340
the camera guy's trying to find where the action is happening and

1780
01:18:05.340 --> 01:18:09.239
kind of like overshooting and having to pull focus and stuff to

1781
01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:11.039
get the, it's really clever.

1782
01:18:11.100 --> 01:18:14.939
I would never, as a director, I would never in a 1000000 years

1783
01:18:14.939 --> 01:18:18.840
think to take that approach and yet it's masterful, isn't it?

1784
01:18:18.899 --> 01:18:20.939
Yeah, it really sounds it.

1785
01:18:21.060 --> 01:18:21.899
It makes it seem real.

1786
01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:26.819
It's like, there's a news crew out there and space flying about

1787
01:18:26.819 --> 01:18:28.319
going, what's going on?

1788
01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:33.300
And also just the way that things fall as well. like the way that

1789
01:18:33.300 --> 01:18:35.640
like it does, like not everything's up.

1790
01:18:35.699 --> 01:18:38.939
You know, like it's not, you know, like Star Trek, the next

1791
01:18:38.939 --> 01:18:42.180
generation where everything happens just on a plane, you know, on

1792
01:18:42.180 --> 01:18:44.399
the same plane as if it's the surface of the ocean.

1793
01:18:44.460 --> 01:18:46.140
It's it's cool.

1794
01:18:46.199 --> 01:18:49.800
And yeah, you know, like, they did go to show, didn't they?

1795
01:18:49.859 --> 01:18:54.840
With the last season of Picard when they got the Enterprise D back

1796
01:18:54.840 --> 01:18:59.159
what you could do at that point with it ducking and dying.

1797
01:18:59.220 --> 01:19:01.619
It just, I was like, well, this feels very strange.

1798
01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:06.000
Yeah, this ship just moves in a very stately way, we thought.

1799
01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:08.100
You telling me it could do this the whole time?

1800
01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:09.420
All along.

1801
01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:14.220
We only do it on special occasions. you know?

1802
01:19:16.739 --> 01:19:18.539
Oh, there you go.

1803
01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:22.140
Look, you've got all kinds of Battlestar Galactica Babylon 5

1804
01:19:22.140 --> 01:19:24.359
compensations for the tag, you know?

1805
01:19:24.420 --> 01:19:25.319
for the tag.

1806
01:19:25.380 --> 01:19:26.279
That's right.