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Hey, Joe. Hi there.

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Today is an important day for us.

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This is the day that we do our 2nd Star Trek, the original series episode, and we've got a real winner on our hands today.

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What are we watching?

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Well, we're going from like opposing polls, aren't we?

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We did the call might maneuver, which was like, as we both kind of said, fantastic.

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Yep.

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And now we're doing, you know, one of the most successful episodes in the Star Trek franchise.

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Spock's brain.

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I mean, just the title alone inspires me.

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It's, uh, it's really something. kind of legendary, this one, isn't it?

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We were super excited when it turned up on the randomiser last time because it is famously bad.

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And I don't think necessarily it's the worst episode of Star Trek.

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Oh, no, not by long shot.

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I like, like there are episodes of Star Trek that are painfully boring.

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Like there are many episodes of The Next Generation that are very, very dark.

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This is not boring.

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It's just, well, really fucking stupid.

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That's the problem.

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I have to say that just like I think that I counted the phrase box brain happens like 14 times or something.

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Like it happens quite a lot in dialogue and the use of the word brain over and over again.

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And the premise is so kind of stupid that it can't be an accident.

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Surely it's not an accident.

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Well, I don't know, like, because there are many episodes of TOS, which I think are kind of being played with a wing to the audience, but I don't detect any of that here.

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I feel as if this is being played as a drama.

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And that's that is the funniest thing of all about this, you know.

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But it's just hard to imagine that no one involved realised that it was stupid.

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You know, like there's certainly you're right.

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They do.

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Shatner says that he was deeply embarrassed making.

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And so does Leonard Nemoy.

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Ronald D Moore causes the 2nd worst episode of Star Trek ever.

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And it's only the 2nd worst because it kind of has like a campiness to it that makes it bearable.

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Like, everybody knows this is really stupid.

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But for some reason, they just chose to sort of the director chose to make this a drama rather than a comedy.

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I mean, this is ripe for comedy, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, but the script isn't funny.

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And so, like, what are you gonna do?

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And playing it straight is a very strange choice, but that's what they seem to have gone with.

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Well, before we go in, I just want to talk about the pedigree. that went into this episode.

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Okay, because this is written by Lee Cronin, okay?

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And that is a pseudonym of Gene Coon, who wrote a prolific amount of TOS episodes and produced, I think, quite a bit of it as well.

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This guy, it's kind of suggested that this is the guy that shaved Star Trek and not Gene Roddenbury.

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Right.

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Okay, so I'm just going to read out a small list of things that this guy invented, okay, in TOS.

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So he invented the Klingons.

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Khan Singh, Zephron Cochran, the definition of the prime directive, the naming of the United Federation of Planets, the naming of Starfleet Command, like the building blocks of Star Trek, were Gene Coon, and not Gene Woodenby.

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And a lot of people say, so what happened in season two, Bread and Circuses was written between the 2 genes.

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Right.

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And there was massive creative differences.

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And Gene Rodenery essentially fired him and said, I think the real story is that he quit.

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And saying, look, you know, we just can't work together anymore.

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And then he kind of, he wrote 3 scripts, I think it's 3 for season three.

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Spock's brain is one of them.

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Spectra of the gun is one of them, a wink of an eye is one of the wink of an eye.

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So Spectral of the Gun and Winkle are actually both really good high concept episodes.

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I don't know what happened here, but there we go.

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Was it revenge?

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Was he so cross with rod and bree that he submitted spark spraying?

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By all lookouts, like Gene Coon, he's like famously one of the fastest writers in Hollywood and he could literally turn out a script or a rewrite overnight.

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Right.

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Which might explain a lot here.

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If they needed a script in a hurry.

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Well, this feels like it was turned out overnight.

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You and I know that in another TV show that we love.

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Doctor Who, that very creative things can come out of desperation.

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Yeah.

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Perhaps that's not the case here.

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And this was directed by Mark Daniels.

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Now, Mark Daniels directed the Menagerie, Mirror, Mirror, Assignment Earth.

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I think he's got about 9 or 10 episodes in his belt before this, and this was the last one he directed.

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He didn't want to make any more after this after getting this script.

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He famously said, I don't like the direction the show's going in, I don't want to be a part of this anymore.

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Because I think we'll both agree that there is some pretty good direction. in this episode.

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Unfortunately, you can only direct the script that you've been handed.

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But the weirdest thing is, is so both of the director and the writer have form and they have good, good form.

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They've written and directed good stuff.

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So what the hell went wrong?

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Yeah, it's inexplicable, isn't it?

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It's very, very strange. and we have a new producer in series 3 as well don't we?

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Well, you know more about this fella.

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Fred Fred Freiberger.

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So he comes in in series three.

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The only reason I know about him is, I mean, I think series 3 has a reputation for having some silly broad camp episodes.

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He came into space 1999, which is another sort of Star Trek adjacent thing that I really like.

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And that did 2 series, and the 1st series was very stately and very sort of inspired by 2001 and had beautiful sets and stuff and was very sort of philosophical and things in a way that people imagine Star Trek is, but it often isn't.

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And then Freiburger came along in series 2 and just, you know, fucked it up, essentially, and made it stupid and kind of...

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But I think, you know, it's interesting because there are some interesting parallels there.

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Now, and I think it is easy to point a finger at this guy and say, he ruined both shows.

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I think in both Star Trek's case and in Space 1999's case, the budgets were slashed a lot in the 2 seasons that he did.

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And actually they wanted to cancel Star Trek after series two.

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NBC had had enough of it.

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The ratings had kind of dived a little bit, and they said, right, we've had enough, and it was only because of, and only a few shows have succeeded in this vein.

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Massive fan campaign meant that, oh, God, all right, we'll make another year.

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But we'll give it the death slot.

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Yeah, they know that.

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They promised that it would be a great slot and they gave it Friday night at 10 PM when nobody was watching television and they slashed the budget.

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So essentially they were trying to kill off.

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Star Trek.

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And I think Shatner famously says, which box brain that it's like basically like an ode to the NBC executives that wanted it gone because this is what you get when you give it no time.

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You give it no money.

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The fact that it's made at all is probably a miracle.

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And the fact as well, the fact that some of season 3 of TOS is of worth, it's to their credit because, you know, they really, they really weren't given this the resources it served.

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Yeah.

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That killing off Star Trek thing.

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That didn't really work out although well, did it?

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Well, no, they tried.

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It's like the exact I wanted to kill off Doctor Who, isn't it?

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Yeah, these days, that's right.

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Quality endures.

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That's it.

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All right.

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Well, speaking of quality, let's queue up Spock's brain.

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This shall be the height of our podcasting experience.

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Unless Shades of Grey turns up on the Randomiser, this is probably the depths.

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Oh, that's pretty great. right?

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If we got shades of gray afterspot's brain.

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What did we do wrong?

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All right, so I have my finger poised over the play button.

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So I will counter it in. 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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Are you watching the new effects or the old effects?

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I actually have the old effects?

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So the new effects are on Netflix or whatever streaming service is still running this show?

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But yeah, no, I'm doing the old effects, which are crummy.

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Um, Well, I'm happy to report that the new effects are incredibly good.

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So this is a baffling scene.

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Like, I just don't know what's happening here.

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Did, like, did Mark Daniels, like, accidentally leave off page one of the script?

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Like, he left it at his desk and then he came down to the studio floor and everyone is just standing around?

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No one's saying anything.

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There's no time.

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Yeah, because they're all in awe of the mysterious objects that's approaching the enterprise.

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Oh, God, someone broke the ice.

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Thanks.

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It's it's baffling.

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Like, is it meant to be tense because they're all just kind of sitting around?

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You know, it's just comparing it to the Corbamite maneuver, which was sort of crappy in all kinds of ways, but had proper tension.

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I opened up.

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You remember that amazing shot above the bridge.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely incredible.

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But this, interestingly, this has an effect shot in a minute, which is unique unto this episode, I believe, and that is Kirk standing in front of the moving starscape.

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Oh, we'd never done that before.

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So even with a reduced boat, they're still trying to push the boat out a bit. and do creative things.

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So they would have just caded in.

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It would have just been, you know, the thing was a square, so they would just have keyed it in sort of optically or whatever.

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And instead, they've got a back projection thing with the Starfield actually running.

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So it's a practical effect.

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Oh my god, here she is.

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The beautiful woman who's going to beguile them all.

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Now, does she appear green when she 1st appears in the updated special effects she still does?

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It certainly does.

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And now she's in a fabulous purple number.

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Dear idea.

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Every alpha describes her as a lady.

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A lady comes on board the Enterprise.

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It's so sad.

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I mean, I can't think of more 60s costume than what she's got on right now, do you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, she's got my mother's hair.

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It's absolutely a thing.

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And I also think that this woman, look at these people falling over.

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That woman absolutely gives it her all.

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There's Major Barrett, Robin B. Absolutely.

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Jeez.

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She's really going.

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The lighting is really nice here.

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It's really effective.

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Look at her shadow against the wall.

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Okay, it's a ridiculous sequence, but he is trying to give it a bum.

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Oh my god, a hero's got her legs open.

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Shut your legs, love.

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Oh, no, this is great.

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The way she touches his head.

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Yes.

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That'll come off.

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Oh my gosh.

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Okay, so I hate to inform you, but that's probably the highlight of this episode.

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I think there's I think there's a superb bit of direction when they discovered that Spock is missing, which I will point out when we reach it.

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Do you know the bit of direction that always makes me laugh every time that this every time Spock appears?

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Like, there's a massive close-up on his comatose face.

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Like dramatic zooms are, you know, very original trek, aren't they?

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Yeah, yeah.

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This is uh, it's, it's very, very silly.

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There's one where we throw to an ad break on that stupid face, like, and oh.

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But you know what?

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You have said to me before, though, you like original track because it is willing to be a bit silly.

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Oh, I, yeah, yeah.

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Maybe this is silly over a cliff though, isn't it?

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Well, I, it's maybe not silly that's the problem.

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It might be that it's kind of boring.

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And and thin.

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Like, yeah, there's no real point to it, is there?

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There's no... there's no substance to any of it It's just stuff happening.

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Yeah, yeah.

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A whole bunch of things happen and then they go home, you know.

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So look where the camera is now, it's where Spock was sitting before, right?

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So the cameras moved.

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So that's exactly where Spock's seat is.

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And so we can't see that Spock's missing because we're where Spock is.

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And I kind of like that.

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So that's how we notice it. you know, we don't get a dramatic shot of where Spock would normally be.

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I just think it's a...

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I just point out that and it's very distracting.

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I think I messaged you whilst I was watching this the 1st time.

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This is where Scotty discovered brewl cream.

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So he suddenly slicking his hair back in a very cool way.

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You know, it's kind of like a modern hairstyle really.

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So yeah, these things in Sick Bay, you know, the instrument things that still go over people that we still have inside. bio beds, bio beds.

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Oh, dear.

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And he's got a space bandage on.

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There's a whole heap of brain surgery that happens without kind of interfering in any way with Leonard Nemoy's hair, which is pretty impressive, I think.

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I mean, they've got to put that bandage over him.

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He's got no brain, you know, they're not gonna show us that, are they?

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What's Shannon doing?

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Like what is Shatner doing here?

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Look at all these...

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Oh my word.

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In a minute, in a minute, it's the funniest line of dialogue ever when Deforest Kenny like proclaims, where in the universe are you going to find Spuck's brain?

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Yeah, normally that's a question that can be answered fairly easily, you know, but right now.

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It's not there.

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Is this is this the most B movie?

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Star Trek episode.

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Yeah, and I think that that's kind of okay.

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Like Star Trek doesn't have to be sort of philosophical all the time or political or whatever.

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And I think it is less those things than we like to think it is.

227
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You know, there's a there's a strong strain of sort of B movie shit in Star Trek.

228
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I don't think there's enough these days, you know, though.

229
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I think there's not enough B movie and trek.

230
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In modern trek.

231
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Modern Trek is kind of political, isn't it?

232
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And, and, and intellectual and, but, you know, they get Rain Wilson in to play Harry Maud and, and, you know, we've had the Guardian of Forever on it and all of that sort of thing.

233
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Like it absolutely leans into that nonsense.

234
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It's still not embarrassed by it.

235
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I think I think Star Trek the Next Generation is embarrassed by it, but I don't think Discovery is.

236
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Star Trek the Nation is sometimes completely B-movie.

237
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You remember the game?

238
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You remember when they all turned into monsters?

239
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That's pretty crazy, you know?

240
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But I, you know, I will say, you know, you know, I always love to, like, pump up DS9 on this podcast, but in the magnificent Ferengi, when they absolutely do a homage to Spock's brain.

241
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They do it the way it should have been done as a comic set piece.

242
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

243
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I watched the magnificent Ferengi yesterday.

244
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And it's possible that I'd never seen it before.

245
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I really couldn't remember it and didn't know how it went.

246
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And it is really, really cool. funny, isn't it?

247
00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:34.319
Yeah, Christ, there's a lot of latex in that show, though.

248
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Do you know, it's just it's full of like insanely camp, theatrical actors, just going for it, isn't it?

249
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But obviously they have the sequence at the end where the water is anim- as an animated call.

250
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Corpse.

251
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Yeah.

252
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Using neural stimulators exactly.

253
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Exactly like Spock in this.

254
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Yeah.

255
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And it is a complete ripoff, but in a wonderful way.

256
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Look at her.

257
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The woman in the miniskirt just walked in front of the screen.

258
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Look, they're just getting everyone to walk in front of the screen. now Kirk goes up there and he walks across as well.

259
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We are showing off this special effect.

260
00:18:14.339 --> 00:18:17.279
No, Sulu's kind of hot, you know, isn't he?

261
00:18:17.339 --> 00:18:19.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

262
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He's got the, it's the eyebrows, I think.

263
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Don't think the hair's doing him any favours, but the eyebrows are, you know, honestly, you have got a serious issue with these beetle haircuts, you know.

264
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Yeah, I like them.

265
00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:31.500
I think it's definitely a look.

266
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It's a look.

267
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Oh my god.

268
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I've got to say, I'm seeing updated special effects now of this beautifully rendered CGI enterprise. going across the screen.

269
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And it looks it's just stunning.

270
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Like, I know people that refuse to watch with the new effects and, you know, I kind of, I kind of get it, that they want the authentic experience.

271
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But like you said, if you can give this stuff extra life, you know, and some people will be painfully embarrassed by the original model effects.

272
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And, and, you know, the quality of the, you know, the film was a bit rough in places.

273
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You know, when they do the fade to black and the film drops down a generation and all sorts of stuff like that.

274
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What do we think of this, uh, schematic on the, on the view screen?

275
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I couldn't do any better.

276
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If I'm honest.

277
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I quite like it.

278
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We're using Futura.

279
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I'm a big fan of Futura as a font and there it is.

280
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This is hilarious where they need to try and choose...

281
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There's no sense to this scene. where they're going up.

282
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Which of these 3 M class planets are we going to go to?

283
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Just make a load of shit up and they go, well, we'll go to we'll go to the ice planet.

284
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All right.

285
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We've not been to one of those for a while.

286
00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:51.839
Yeah, no, it's uh, it's super boring.

287
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I mean, it's just sort of crazy boring.

288
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It's like...

289
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Do you see Chehov here?

290
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Chekhov, um, kind of uh, to decide explaining everything.

291
00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:06.359
In series 2, there's this real, because he only joins the series too.

292
00:20:06.420 --> 00:20:13.920
Um, about him like being a student and, you know, finding his feet as a as a young ensign and blah, blah, blah.

293
00:20:13.980 --> 00:20:16.380
And I think this is now, you know, he's made it.

294
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Look at it.

295
00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:19.079
He can talk techno babble like the best of them.

296
00:20:19.740 --> 00:20:34.380
But, like, this scene is just interminable, and it is we decide which planet to go to, and there's literally no tension because, of course, we know that probably Spock will get his brain back.

297
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And, you know, by the end of the episode.

298
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And so, you know, Kirk has to make a difficult decision between these 3 planets, none of which looks promising, and he goes on his hunch, and just a lot of space words get said, and...

299
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The good thing is, Hunch was right then, isn't it?

300
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Oh, yeah.

301
00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:57.839
They do this. they do this fake tension count.

302
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Like, if we don't find Spuck within 24 hours, he's going to die.

303
00:21:02.579 --> 00:21:07.440
And then in the immediate next scene, there's a voiceover, we've only got 5 hours to go.

304
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It's like, do it even a day.

305
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That's in a plain canaster and stuff.

306
00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:16.259
It's a hurry.

307
00:21:17.579 --> 00:21:23.160
Oh, God, yeah, so they're talking about, look, the ice planet, it's, it hasn't got any technology.

308
00:21:23.220 --> 00:21:26.880
So that's an excuse to beam down and we're going to be attacked by primitives in a minute.

309
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Yeah, yeah.

310
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I mean, there's sort of something happening.

311
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It's Nathan, do not try and give this an intelligent reading, all right?

312
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Do not try.

313
00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:42.779
I think I think it's ripping off the time machine, like very clearly ripping off the time machine.

314
00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:58.859
And so in HG Wells time machine, in the future, uh, uh, an advanced race, like a scientifically advanced version of humanity splits into 2 separate species.

315
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And in the time machine, it's on, based on class, so the working class become the Morlocks and the upper classes who live off the Morlocks, work become the Eloy.

316
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And the Eloy have devolved to such a point where they can't speak.

317
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So they can speak in the film, but not in the book, right?

318
00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:27.299
And so you've got the 2 races, the Morlocks and the Eloy.

319
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And here you've got the morgues and the eye morgues, and they live in the remains of an advanced technology and something about that advanced technology, their reliance on that technology has made them stupid or something.

320
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You know, they've averted it.

321
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I'm sorry.

322
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I cannot believe you've managed to give a small reading on Spock's brain.

323
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Well done.

324
00:22:49.740 --> 00:22:51.660
But I mean, there's nothing to it.

325
00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:55.079
It is all bullshit, but it's very clear that that's where it comes from.

326
00:22:55.140 --> 00:23:05.160
Now, I'm watching the original special effects version, and basically what they've done is just scattered a bit of flour around their shitty planet set.

327
00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:07.619
Yeah, no, that's exactly, that's on the new ones.

328
00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:15.539
But when they 1st beam down, Yeah, they've done this fabulous mountain scaping. looks stunning.

329
00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:17.819
I think it's so bad though.

330
00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:19.200
Oh no, it is.

331
00:23:19.259 --> 00:23:21.359
No, it is worse in the original version.

332
00:23:21.420 --> 00:23:27.359
They did do something to the to the set in the in the updated version.

333
00:23:27.420 --> 00:23:31.259
At least they've made it. snowy. is blue.

334
00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:32.400
It looks like a sky.

335
00:23:32.460 --> 00:23:36.900
When they do these pinks and purple sky, it looks so fake, doesn't it?

336
00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:37.500
I love it.

337
00:23:38.220 --> 00:23:42.599
Like, if I squint, I could almost pretend I'm on an ape.

338
00:23:42.660 --> 00:23:43.859
Yeah, no, you couldn't.

339
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:50.039
And they put try and pull this shit in series one of Star Trek, the next generation, you know, like 20 years later.

340
00:23:50.099 --> 00:23:51.000
I don't think.

341
00:23:51.059 --> 00:24:00.779
I don't think an alien punters ever look more like a sounds, like, stage in Paramount than in, like, hiding Q when they do that green backdrop.

342
00:24:00.900 --> 00:24:02.400
Awful.

343
00:24:02.460 --> 00:24:04.859
But I mean, that's on the holiday, isn't it?

344
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:05.339
Or is it?

345
00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:06.960
No, that's in a real planet, isn't it?

346
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:09.720
It's a real, it's a Q planet, but you know, yeah.

347
00:24:09.779 --> 00:24:12.480
Oh, look at these, look at these primitive slur.

348
00:24:12.779 --> 00:24:24.900
See, part of the problem too is that you can see the relics of the time machine here, because the dialogue wants these to be huge muscle men, right?

349
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:26.940
And they're not.

350
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:28.859
Like they just didn't get the note, did he?

351
00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:29.640
No.

352
00:24:29.700 --> 00:24:44.339
So, you know, all of our away team are men, but the men are not, um, morgues or whatever, they're kind of midway between the morgues and the eyeborks.

353
00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:45.420
Jesus Christ.

354
00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:49.079
The I'm also the ones that are released by Apple, I think, probably.

355
00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:51.779
But you know what, Nathan, you're a smart man.

356
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:54.299
Yeah, no, you have a smart profession.

357
00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:57.480
I can't believe we're doing a podcast talking about the books in the eye.

358
00:24:57.539 --> 00:24:59.579
That's such bullshit.

359
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:00.900
Oh, life.

360
00:25:00.900 --> 00:25:02.220
Our life has come to this.

361
00:25:02.819 --> 00:25:05.880
Where do they get the nylon from?

362
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:09.539
Don't you love the way as well?

363
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:12.779
They entice them in with food in a cave, you know?

364
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:15.779
And then and then the door slams down and it's a lift.

365
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:19.619
It takes them so long to work out, it's a trap.

366
00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:20.940
They're also dumb.

367
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:26.519
But the, so, so, so, oh my god, it's got his hair.

368
00:25:26.579 --> 00:25:27.000
I'm sorry.

369
00:25:27.059 --> 00:25:27.779
It's got his hair.

370
00:25:27.779 --> 00:25:29.160
It's incredible.

371
00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:29.819
Yeah.

372
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:41.220
But so this guy doesn't know the word man and or doesn't know male or female and says that they're small like the women.

373
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:50.220
These guys, so these guys are meant to be giant muscle man, and that would have been, I could have enjoyed that a bit more because that is Super B movie, isn't it?

374
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:52.799
Chekhov is appalled in a minute.

375
00:25:52.859 --> 00:25:56.819
He goes, oh my god, it's a humanoid and he doesn't know what a woman is.

376
00:25:59.099 --> 00:26:05.400
It's... leading into that thing that everybody's heterosexual as well.

377
00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:06.180
Oh, yeah.

378
00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:07.740
Yeah, that's it.

379
00:26:08.339 --> 00:26:16.200
Like they describe the eye morgs as sources of pain and delight.

380
00:26:16.259 --> 00:26:20.819
And so I guess the eye morgs, they bone, do they?

381
00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:22.259
Like, is that what we're talking about?

382
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:23.819
Oh, I don't want to think about it.

383
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:28.500
I really don't want to think about that, you know, and I don't usually mind that sort of stuff in podcasts.

384
00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:37.859
But there is one like, okay, I said to you that the dialogue. seems like it was written by a three-year-old because the dialogue is so simplistic.

385
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:46.019
And the weird thing is, is the dialogue of the primitives and the dialogue of the supposedly, you know, the smart people underground.

386
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:51.900
It's all written in this incredibly childish kind of broken English.

387
00:26:51.900 --> 00:26:52.980
Yeah.

388
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:55.319
It's so tedious to listen to.

389
00:26:55.380 --> 00:26:57.720
I'm just like, why am I watching this?

390
00:26:57.779 --> 00:27:01.019
Well, I mean, you wouldn't do that now?

391
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:10.559
Like if Star Trek finds a species of people who are at a lower technological level, we wouldn't patronise them quite in the same way.

392
00:27:10.619 --> 00:27:24.720
You know, the idea that people with low technology are stupid or that their language is really simple, like we've never discovered a tribe of people with a simple language, you know, like languages always complicated.

393
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:38.160
And so like this is kind of, there's a sort of weird ass colonialist kind of thing going on with this and and so that's kind of a little bit hard to take.

394
00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:42.420
See this, a storehouse for our muscular friends, you know, but they're not muscular.

395
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:43.859
They're just slightly taller than them.

396
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:47.640
And then they've got the weapons and they're like, these were not forged by the primitives.

397
00:27:47.700 --> 00:27:52.740
But the thing is, is like nobody is talking with any intelligence.

398
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:57.539
There's no contrast. you know, and it's and they're supposed to be a contrast, isn't there?

399
00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:03.299
And then even Kirk and all of this start talking in this weird broken language as well.

400
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:05.819
Yeah, yeah, just when they're talking to them.

401
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:10.140
But this, like, why are they standing around wondering whether this is a trap?

402
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:12.539
It just makes them look stupid.

403
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:14.400
It does make them look stupid.

404
00:28:14.460 --> 00:28:17.400
You think only this scene makes them look stupid.

405
00:28:17.579 --> 00:28:21.299
All the talk about Spock's brain isn't helping either.

406
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:29.579
But remember when the packlids turn up and they look for things to make them go and go, you are smart and stuff like that.

407
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:30.480
No, no, no, no.

408
00:28:30.539 --> 00:28:31.500
Because we talked about that.

409
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:38.700
That is a specifically tailored language to that alien race and it makes sense within that culture.

410
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:41.099
Look at Darmok, where they're talking metaphor.

411
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:42.359
And it's smart.

412
00:28:42.420 --> 00:28:44.640
Oh, Jesus.

413
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:46.799
The dramatic, the dramatic.

414
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:49.019
And you know what?

415
00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:49.980
I love looking like that.

416
00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:55.920
The music is like, da, da, da, da, da, da.

417
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:59.039
The music is actually pretty good in this episode.

418
00:28:59.099 --> 00:29:00.660
Do you know the music later on?

419
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:07.559
Every time his disembodied voice comes along and it's like, It's like this weird magic music. love it.

420
00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:09.539
It's really good It is great.

421
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.500
I mean, we are literally, you know, reaching for scraps here.

422
00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:22.380
I think there are elements of the design that I quite like a little bit later, but this shitty cave set.

423
00:29:22.380 --> 00:29:26.940
Well, is it the screensaver you've got behind you by the chance?

424
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:29.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

425
00:29:29.099 --> 00:29:34.440
Spock's brain. brain is literally where Spock's brain is in the episode.

426
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:40.259
This, what is this all about where he just lasers the raw?

427
00:29:40.380 --> 00:29:42.539
Well, this is called eating up running time.

428
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:50.579
And I actually really quite like it, and they do do it in Star Trek, the Next Generation early on, but you don't see it later.

429
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.819
And like it's clearly a sort of prop that's lit from inside.

430
00:29:53.880 --> 00:30:01.740
And there's some really great sort of blowing on their hands and rubbing their hands in front of the fire acting, which just goes...

431
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:05.160
I mean, no, the effect is nice, but it's just pointless.

432
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:06.839
No, no, it's eating up running time.

433
00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:09.000
It's like, well, we're going to wait here.

434
00:30:09.059 --> 00:30:09.779
We may as well do something.

435
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:19.079
Yeah, we were really worried about whether Chekov would get cold while he was waiting upstairs. pretty men, you know. are other ways of keeping warm.

436
00:30:19.140 --> 00:30:20.519
I guess so.

437
00:30:20.579 --> 00:30:21.420
That's right.

438
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:22.799
What do you think the morgues do?

439
00:30:22.859 --> 00:30:23.880
Look at that.

440
00:30:23.940 --> 00:30:24.660
Nemoy.

441
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.839
Okay, so let a new my, uh, you know, famous equation.

442
00:30:27.900 --> 00:30:29.519
He was so embarrassed doing this.

443
00:30:29.579 --> 00:30:34.500
So let's see if we can see embarrassment on his face as he's pretending to have no emotion whatsoever.

444
00:30:34.859 --> 00:30:36.660
Oh, dear.

445
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:41.160
So they set your phases to gently lower herself to the ground.

446
00:30:41.460 --> 00:30:49.380
They love doing these kind of futuristic sets coming out of rock, don't they, in TOS?

447
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:51.119
And that's quite nice.

448
00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:52.740
Although the rock does look like paper.

449
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:54.900
It just looks like screwed up paper.

450
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:56.819
Yeah, that's been spray painted.

451
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:57.180
Yeah.

452
00:30:57.660 --> 00:31:00.240
I like the lighting down here though.

453
00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:02.819
It's all kind of 60s pop art liking, is it?

454
00:31:02.819 --> 00:31:03.660
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

455
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:08.579
And gels, you know, like the gels that they do and it's pink because this is where the ladies live.

456
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:10.500
So this is ladyland.

457
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.640
This is where they start talking about Morgan eye morgue, and I just zoned out completely.

458
00:31:14.700 --> 00:31:18.539
Yeah, with this, she doesn't know the word him. also sort of stupid.

459
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:22.980
She doesn't know what a brain is.

460
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:27.000
They love they love man handling women in TRS as well.

461
00:31:27.539 --> 00:31:28.859
Shaking them about, you know?

462
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:31.380
Yeah, yeah, it's like their property.

463
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:33.180
It's awful.

464
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:34.079
It is a bit awful.

465
00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:35.400
And he does a fair amount of it.

466
00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:37.500
I love those boots though.

467
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:39.119
I want to know where they're getting them from.

468
00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:43.799
Do you think they have a teacher but for like bootmaking?

469
00:31:43.859 --> 00:31:44.819
Maybe.

470
00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:45.539
Yeah.

471
00:31:46.500 --> 00:31:55.619
Not quite as nice as the purple ones, woman out at the beginning, no. one is lovely, but this is pretty good. and the boots are fantastic.

472
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:57.599
Why is she so distressed?

473
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:02.519
Because she doesn't recognise who they are because they're not primitives and they're not smart.

474
00:32:02.579 --> 00:32:04.140
They're something different.

475
00:32:04.259 --> 00:32:05.519
She's an idiot.

476
00:32:05.579 --> 00:32:06.960
I don't know who can say.

477
00:32:07.019 --> 00:32:08.220
She's just doing that.

478
00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:15.660
There's a question about... the nature of them stealing Spock's brain because maybe you can give me an answer because I couldn't get it within the episode. itself.

479
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.180
Why did they need Spark's brain?

480
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:25.140
Uh, they just needed a clever brain to run the controller thing.

481
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:26.099
I don't know.

482
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:27.299
Why is that right?

483
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:29.579
Surely there was someone nearer.

484
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.740
He's the smartest person on the ship.

485
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:33.299
Well, I don't know.

486
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:34.200
Yeah, who knows?

487
00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:36.960
Is it just because it's an episode of Star Trek?

488
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:38.279
Yeah, essentially.

489
00:32:38.339 --> 00:32:39.000
I think so.

490
00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:45.059
They were just waiting for a ship to go through the Sigma Draconis system and they took the smartest person on board.

491
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.279
No one else goes there because it's a shithole.

492
00:32:47.339 --> 00:32:51.299
I don't know, sing us to...

493
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.299
No, to get my engine going, you know?

494
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:56.039
It's a real star, right?

495
00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:58.799
It's one of the stars in the constellation of Draco.

496
00:32:58.859 --> 00:33:00.720
That's what it so it's actually a real thing.

497
00:33:00.779 --> 00:33:04.859
They look like Klingons, don't they, those 2 that are flanking her, I think.

498
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:05.759
And is it?

499
00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:10.559
Well, because they've got those Russian hats to make them look taller because we can't cast any muscle men.

500
00:33:10.619 --> 00:33:14.700
There's one cute morgue who comes in later on.

501
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:22.740
But like they just cast fat guys. because they don't have much...

502
00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:24.960
Amazing zoom on Leonard V.

503
00:33:25.019 --> 00:33:25.799
Second one.

504
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:28.079
Do you know what?

505
00:33:28.140 --> 00:33:29.640
They just keep bloody lying down, didn't they?

506
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.220
Yeah, it's relaxing.

507
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:35.759
A woman in kinky boots, feeding a man.

508
00:33:35.819 --> 00:33:36.779
I know.

509
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:38.519
And is he the cute one?

510
00:33:38.579 --> 00:33:38.880
Not really.

511
00:33:38.940 --> 00:33:40.319
He's got really bad hair as well.

512
00:33:40.380 --> 00:33:42.119
I think he's been into Scotty's brill cream.

513
00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:43.380
Yeah, this one maybe.

514
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:44.579
What are the women then?

515
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:46.380
The women are in child chair.

516
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:46.980
Are they?

517
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:49.619
No, they live downstairs.

518
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:59.579
So they're like the Morlocks or whatever and they live in space corridors and then the men live upstairs in...

519
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:03.779
Yeah, Styrofoam rocks.

520
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:15.239
And, and, um, they, what, capture some of them and they bone and, uh, and that's it, really, I guess.

521
00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:16.380
You know what service?

522
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:19.500
I have seen some pre-shitty B movies.

523
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:23.400
I've got a movie on my show called a nymphoid barbarian and dinosaur Hell.

524
00:34:23.460 --> 00:34:27.059
It ain't nowhere near as terrible as this, I'm telling you, right?

525
00:34:28.380 --> 00:34:31.980
I mean, I mean, to just go for a script editor?

526
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:35.880
Well, I mean, the problem is that nothing much is happening.

527
00:34:35.940 --> 00:34:47.219
I mean, the women are wearing fabulous boots and that's just about enough to rescue the episode, but everyone is so dumb and slow on the uptake that, you know.

528
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:49.380
Are those bombs around their stomachs?

529
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:53.039
No, they're pain inflicting devices.

530
00:34:53.099 --> 00:34:55.139
Now we're in Batman territory now.

531
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:57.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah. don't I don't know what they're called.

532
00:34:57.480 --> 00:34:59.519
Oh, look at that fabulous lamp behind them.

533
00:34:59.579 --> 00:35:01.380
Yeah, yeah, I love that.

534
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:03.719
It's awesome It's very period.

535
00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:04.980
Yeah.

536
00:35:04.980 --> 00:35:08.039
What was I saying about fetching scraps?

537
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:22.860
No, yeah, but there is that fabulous 60s design to this and it is a super cheap set, you know, and it's just kind of interestingly lit and it's just sort of furniture from the warehouse or whatever.

538
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:26.280
Like it's, you know, nothing hugely impressive.

539
00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:28.079
But, you know, I don't know.

540
00:35:28.139 --> 00:35:31.380
There's just something about the design of the original series, though, isn't it?

541
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.420
That is massively a It's kind of simple.

542
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:41.219
It's always a lot of geometric designs, isn't it, you know, and shapes, but it's, yeah, it's very easy on the eye.

543
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:45.119
In the way that like the next generation could just look incredibly bland in comparison.

544
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:49.440
Yeah, well, I mean, it's the same with 60s Bond films and stuff like that.

545
00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:55.380
I mean, they have Sir Ken Adam doing the design and they're always absolutely stunning.

546
00:35:55.500 --> 00:36:06.900
But, you know, it's one of the reasons... why people often jump over to the Avengers and things like that is, you know, because they're kind of samey stories, but the design work and the fashions and everything, you know.

547
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.719
You want to be part of that world, don't you?

548
00:36:09.780 --> 00:36:10.199
Yeah.

549
00:36:10.260 --> 00:36:23.219
Well, I just think about when Dax puts on the miniskirt in trials and tribulations and she's talking about classic, you know, 23rd century design or whatever.

550
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:26.340
It's it's gorgeous.

551
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:38.820
You know, even the extras and stuff on the enterprise, there were some fabulously stylish looking women and the hair here is just... you know, I remember watching trials and tribulations, right?

552
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:57.900
And when they're all in those beautiful original series costumes and on the Enterprise, and then they'd ship back to DS9 at the end and I was like, oh, I've never realised now fucking plain DS9 is just... until spending, you know, a whole episode in colourful TOS land.

553
00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:58.980
Yeah, yeah.

554
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:03.420
Well, I mean, they've got colour and they're definitely going to go for it.

555
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:05.760
You know, like most...

556
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:06.659
Brain and brain.

557
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:08.159
This is the best life.

558
00:37:08.219 --> 00:37:09.119
Watch his brain.

559
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:10.739
I mean, that's good.

560
00:37:14.940 --> 00:37:19.260
And look at Paul DeForest Kelly, William Shatner and James Doan.

561
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:21.239
They're trying to give this some gravity, aren't they?

562
00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:22.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

563
00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:23.820
Look at look at James Bohune right now.

564
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.699
He's got like a look of shock on his face.

565
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:29.820
Jesus Christ.

566
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:36.360
I mean, do you think they behind the scenes, yeah, where the camera was off there, we're like, oh, what is this we're doing?

567
00:37:36.420 --> 00:37:37.559
What is what?

568
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:39.179
Well, that's like, look at this.

569
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:40.019
Look at this.

570
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:41.820
He's kneeling in front of her.

571
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.559
He's so not into it.

572
00:37:43.619 --> 00:37:46.019
He's like, you can see Shatner.

573
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:47.519
You know, Shatner.

574
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:50.639
We talked about this last time.

575
00:37:50.699 --> 00:37:58.980
Chatner has a kind of wry smile a lot of the time, like he's slightly amused by what's going on, and I think it's charming as hell.

576
00:37:59.099 --> 00:38:01.860
And there's just none of that here.

577
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:04.860
He's just being a massive dickhead at this point.

578
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:11.760
There is a difference between what Shatner was doing in the Corbinite movie and what he's doing in this episode.

579
00:38:11.820 --> 00:38:12.960
Like, yeah, yeah.

580
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:16.380
In Cormart movie, they knew they were on to a success.

581
00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:16.679
Yeah.

582
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:22.500
Here, now, that success has faded and they know that the NBC are trying to cancel them.

583
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:26.219
And I think maybe maybe he's just not trying as hard.

584
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.579
Yeah, he's certainly not enjoying himself.

585
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:31.079
Like, that was fucking miserable.

586
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:39.539
That, you know, they turn the pain things on and he just starts rolling, like literally rolling over and over on the studio floor.

587
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:40.139
It's just stupid.

588
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:47.880
But the thing is, you know, were you worried about these guys on the surface, whether they were cold because there was a shot of them just to remind you that they're not?

589
00:38:50.940 --> 00:38:53.280
irrelevant later on.

590
00:38:53.340 --> 00:38:55.380
Oh, they know, I don't think so.

591
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:56.099
Do they come in?

592
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:58.739
I can't know. don't know. they do something useful?

593
00:39:00.059 --> 00:39:01.739
Does anyone?

594
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:03.960
I really want that lamp you know.

595
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:08.880
I mean, I mean, it's a completely sparse set and a lamp.

596
00:39:08.940 --> 00:39:10.440
The lamp, yeah.

597
00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:14.280
And there's 2 of them, or they've moved that one into the other corner. of the room.

598
00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:16.739
Something's a premature. exactly the same.

599
00:39:16.860 --> 00:39:17.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

600
00:39:17.699 --> 00:39:23.760
I actually have a secret fondness for this scene.

601
00:39:23.820 --> 00:39:43.320
Um, so they're being uh, they've been stripped of their communicators and um, whatever their phases. and they're being guarded by a morgue, and they have the pain plates on, and they need to get their communicators so they can speak to Spock.

602
00:39:43.380 --> 00:39:48.599
And, um, they talk about using science.

603
00:39:48.659 --> 00:39:50.760
Oh, and then they punch him.

604
00:39:50.820 --> 00:39:52.559
Then they just punch him in the face.

605
00:39:52.619 --> 00:39:56.460
Yeah, no, this was the one scene where I felt like they were actually having some fun.

606
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:57.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

607
00:39:58.019 --> 00:40:01.980
And and you know that sort of TOS chemistry we were talking about.

608
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:04.739
This is the one moment where it kind of leaks in a little bit.

609
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:06.659
Yeah, yeah.

610
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:12.480
I think it's, I think it's super, you know, how we can gonna correct the situation. science might provide an answer.

611
00:40:12.539 --> 00:40:15.599
You've got...

612
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.380
If he's smiling, like he's really having fun, like...

613
00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:21.420
Oh my god, look at the guy picking up Scotty.

614
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:22.739
Just through him.

615
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:24.300
That's it.

616
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:28.380
Well, they're supposed to be muscle man and there's Nimoy looking bored.

617
00:40:29.940 --> 00:40:33.059
And this is a pop... literally left over the table.

618
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:33.719
Did you see?

619
00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:37.800
That kicks the guy in the chest.

620
00:40:38.460 --> 00:40:39.539
And then in the nuts.

621
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.340
Finally, we're having some funny stuff.

622
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:45.840
Science will triumph.

623
00:40:45.900 --> 00:40:47.579
Okay, well, that's over now, the rest of it.

624
00:40:47.579 --> 00:40:50.579
We're just going to go back to something really boring.

625
00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:54.599
Oh, yeah.

626
00:40:54.659 --> 00:40:55.860
Oh, look at me, Moiler.

627
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:56.340
Oh.

628
00:40:56.760 --> 00:41:00.900
I mean, at least he doesn't have to show any interest in this.

629
00:41:00.900 --> 00:41:02.579
Well, he really isn't.

630
00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:05.820
Do you know what they could have done?

631
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:11.639
They could, well, if they hadn't, you know, they could have like taken Spot's brain back and he could have just been the disembodied voice for the rest of the season.

632
00:41:11.699 --> 00:41:16.980
Yeah, they could have just like used his body as a planter or something like that.

633
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.400
Doesn't he say something along the lines of, oh, hearing your voice, Captain Kirk?

634
00:41:20.460 --> 00:41:23.519
It induces pleasure in my brain or something like that.

635
00:41:23.579 --> 00:41:24.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

636
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:27.780
It's sort of trying to be Spock dialogue.

637
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:32.820
You know, like a motionless Spock dialogue, but it's...

638
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:33.300
Did you hear that?

639
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:35.760
It just went on about the...

640
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:37.079
Major oblongata.

641
00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:37.800
It's part of the brain.

642
00:41:37.860 --> 00:41:38.820
Yeah, yeah.

643
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.219
You said that beautifully, you know.

644
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:47.880
McCoy has terrible difficulty with the word ganglia later, which is super embarrassing for the ship's doctor.

645
00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:51.000
You know, we were talking about you can't pronounce it.

646
00:41:51.059 --> 00:41:53.400
That whole that whole sequence for it.

647
00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:55.619
He suddenly forgets how to do it.

648
00:41:55.739 --> 00:41:56.460
Jesus Christ.

649
00:41:56.579 --> 00:41:57.719
What's the point of that?

650
00:41:57.780 --> 00:41:59.760
Again, it's to eat up running time.

651
00:41:59.820 --> 00:42:02.340
Do you think he's not going to be able to do it?

652
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:09.780
And it's literally like, you know, like, it's so obvious as well, you know, like, the knowledge is gone.

653
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:10.619
Oh, well.

654
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.500
We'll add one more stab of tension to this thing.

655
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:14.820
Yeah, yeah.

656
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:16.320
It's just tedious.

657
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:40.260
I did like, um, Spock saying that, uh, he would trust, uh, you know, um, McCoy to Popazito or something and, or set a bone, but not to restore a brain, like, D is there going, I'm right here, you know, like, it's, uh, worse is when they, he reconnects his speech centres and then Spock's going, right, I'm going to talk you through it now.

658
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:45.960
It's so bad. vocal chords.

659
00:42:46.019 --> 00:42:50.639
That is the producer was like, oh, this would be really fun.

660
00:42:50.699 --> 00:42:56.280
What if he reconnected his vocal cords and he and he talked and that wasn't even in the original scripts.

661
00:42:56.340 --> 00:42:58.380
So they just because they were just making this happen.

662
00:42:58.380 --> 00:42:59.099
They went along.

663
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:00.719
It's so bad.

664
00:43:01.019 --> 00:43:04.019
Well, it's just kind of nothing is happening.

665
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.239
I mean, they are just kind of, oh here we go.

666
00:43:06.300 --> 00:43:08.639
I've got a question about spot's clothes.

667
00:43:08.699 --> 00:43:10.320
Why have they taken him out of his uniform?

668
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:13.800
Uh, I don't know.

669
00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:15.360
He seems to be tucked as well.

670
00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:24.480
Look, there's no sign of a, like, not that I'm looking particularly, but he seems to be very, very heavily tucked in there.

671
00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:29.940
Now everyone at home is going to be looking.

672
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:33.960
He's the only one you can see because the others are wearing black trousers, you see.

673
00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:35.460
I have no idea.

674
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:39.420
We've got the pain giving devices attached to us.

675
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:44.280
I mean, Honestly, there's just, oh, it's just terrible.

676
00:43:45.420 --> 00:43:48.780
Oh, now that's just a nice bit of design, isn't it?

677
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:51.719
The device that's holding a spot. brain.

678
00:43:51.780 --> 00:43:52.440
Yeah.

679
00:43:52.500 --> 00:43:54.360
No, it's very period.

680
00:43:54.420 --> 00:44:04.500
It's, uh, I love that there's some sort of flashing uh, lights and stuff like that, which I think look really fabulously 60s a bit later, and I kind of miss that.

681
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.079
Spock's finally making some sense here.

682
00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:09.719
He literally just said, this isn't making much sense.

683
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.800
You got to be careful with lines like that, you know.

684
00:44:13.860 --> 00:44:15.059
Yeah, yeah.

685
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:16.380
We must act immediately.

686
00:44:18.780 --> 00:44:23.579
So now we're just wandering a load of corridors, trying to find a spot's brain.

687
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:26.760
It's, yeah, it's super undramatic, isn't it?

688
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:29.099
Oh, there's a nice design feature there.

689
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:31.139
So how could this be done better?

690
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:32.400
Could it be done better?

691
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:37.380
Um, I think there needs to be more incident.

692
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.659
It's so linear. like nothing happens.

693
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:46.739
They go down to the planet, they get attacked, they get captured, they wander around some corridors, they find Spock's brain.

694
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:48.900
Is William Shatner doing right now?

695
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.420
Yeah, when he's trying to pretend to being pain.

696
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:53.460
He's losing his shit.

697
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:58.860
This is him kind of going, NBC had better cancel this because I'm done with this shit.

698
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.559
He really just isn't bothering.

699
00:45:02.579 --> 00:45:06.239
If we make this as bad as we possibly can.

700
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:08.099
They may put us out of our misery.

701
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:13.440
That's right I mean, you're not telling me that Captain Kirk is averse to a bit of pain, all right?

702
00:45:13.500 --> 00:45:18.780
Yeah, no, but and so now, like, what's he doing?

703
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:20.219
Like, it all just seems...

704
00:45:20.219 --> 00:45:26.820
Like, there's just a few buttons in there and like, is there a take her bracelet off button?

705
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:27.719
How is this even working?

706
00:45:27.780 --> 00:45:30.059
Yeah, he's read the script.

707
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:32.039
So yeah, he's remote controlling him.

708
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:34.440
Yeah, okay.

709
00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:38.099
Oh, now I can stop doing my pain acting.

710
00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:55.380
So, and so now, now there's this whole sequence where she has the helmet forced on her head. and what the knowledge poured into her brain because...

711
00:45:56.760 --> 00:46:00.000
So so they're all stupid.

712
00:46:00.059 --> 00:46:12.659
Like it, because the society has degenerated and the, the, all the technical knowledge is in this sort of green basketball on the desk or whatever.

713
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:20.280
And then there's like a hair salon hairdryer thing that goes down over your hair.

714
00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:22.019
I think that's rather fabulous, you know?

715
00:46:22.019 --> 00:46:23.280
Oh, I do too.

716
00:46:23.340 --> 00:46:24.300
I do too.

717
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:25.079
I think it looks gray.

718
00:46:25.139 --> 00:46:25.619
Yeah.

719
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:26.159
Yeah.

720
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:48.420
Um, And maybe there's, you know, like the whole idea is kind of preposterous, but I do like the idea that Spock is experiencing this as if the kind of this complex was his body.

721
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:59.280
And so just the normal things that his brain would be controlling, where he says it feels to me like I'm breathing and that my heart is, you know, pumping blood and stuff like that.

722
00:46:59.340 --> 00:47:04.139
Like, I kind of like that, but, you know, clean pickings.

723
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:10.980
I think the tension in this is supposed to come from the fact that everybody's favourite character is Spock.

724
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.260
Yeah, he's not in it.

725
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.019
He's in a situation of biological peril.

726
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:22.800
Yeah, you know, and we're supposed to be super invested in that, despite how utterly preposterous it is.

727
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:23.460
Yeah.

728
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:26.099
Yeah, it is, it's really something.

729
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:27.480
Yeah, that looks great, doesn't it?

730
00:47:27.539 --> 00:47:31.860
That the helmet. that's quite a nice shot.

731
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:36.840
Okay, I want to ask you a question about the franchise at large, yeah.

732
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.860
Do you think there are there are stupider episodes than this?

733
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.739
I can only think of a couple. like threshold.

734
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:45.900
Freshold is definitely stupider than this.

735
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:47.820
I thought, what's the one?

736
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:48.780
Is it...

737
00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:57.119
There's the one where they're all melting, all their faces are melting on Voyager because they're really from the demon.

738
00:47:57.900 --> 00:48:00.480
Jesus Christ, that shit. terrible.

739
00:48:00.539 --> 00:48:01.920
I'm sorry.

740
00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:05.940
I'm going to bring up that Gates McFadden directed episode from TNG.

741
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:07.199
That's awesome.

742
00:48:07.260 --> 00:48:09.239
That's really great.

743
00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:19.199
Counsellor always turned into an amphibian and then as it off with, and then wharf breaks into her quarters and has it off with, I mean, it's...

744
00:48:19.260 --> 00:48:19.679
Yep.

745
00:48:19.739 --> 00:48:20.400
No, I really like it.

746
00:48:20.460 --> 00:48:24.960
But it is one of the ones that people don't like very much.

747
00:48:25.019 --> 00:48:27.659
No, the home is pretty ridiculous, isn't it?

748
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:28.500
Alamarine.

749
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:29.460
Can't do four.

750
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:30.480
Alamarine.

751
00:48:30.539 --> 00:48:41.099
Well, it's a little bit kind of pointless, you know, because we think there's steaks, but there aren't, and we discover that at the end and it's kind of like, well, why did you make us care about that?

752
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:42.360
That's tedious.

753
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:43.679
What about Kurtzman Trek?

754
00:48:43.739 --> 00:48:46.199
Are there any super absurd episodes of that?

755
00:48:46.260 --> 00:48:50.639
Um, No, I think it's all, it's all a bit.

756
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:52.860
I don't think it's po-face.

757
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:57.000
Like, I do think it is funny and it does doesn't always take itself seriously.

758
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.059
But there's nothing like...

759
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:01.980
I mean, they don't really, because I want it to be good.

760
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:05.579
So they don't want to do anything that's too ridiculous.

761
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:14.639
But, you know, like, I guess the silliest thing is in that incredibly good episode in series one, the time one.

762
00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:25.380
Uh, you know, the time loop one, which is being caused by Harry Maud. series one or like the alternative universe stuff, because that was where they really got so happy, silly and have fun, you know?

763
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:33.119
It's really great But, you know, there's a serious purpose to the, to the alternative universe thing, I think.

764
00:49:33.179 --> 00:49:35.880
It was when Waterface...

765
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:39.420
Cousin Michelle, cousin Michelle becomes evil.

766
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:41.940
I started doing all this amazing cry moves.

767
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.179
I was like, no, I mean, that is camp.

768
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:45.960
That's fantastic.

769
00:49:46.019 --> 00:49:49.440
You've got a, what, 57-year-old woman kicking people in the head?

770
00:49:49.500 --> 00:49:51.659
Like it's terrific.

771
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:52.679
Absolutely.

772
00:49:52.739 --> 00:50:00.059
But this is kind of them. you know, he's Shatner now trying to wring a little bit of tension out of this.

773
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.940
And he has stopped menacing her.

774
00:50:02.940 --> 00:50:09.059
And it's icky that he menaces her when she has the mind of a child.

775
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:14.460
But now that she's put the teacher on and is talking like a normal person.

776
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:18.480
Um, you know, he's no longer kind of pushing her around quite so much.

777
00:50:18.539 --> 00:50:20.639
Did you see Scotty then?

778
00:50:20.699 --> 00:50:22.559
Just sort of...

779
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:23.280
What was that all about?

780
00:50:23.340 --> 00:50:24.179
I don't know.

781
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:27.539
Oh, that was in one episode.

782
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:32.820
Oh, okay. times in one episode, can they fall over or be in pain or roll about the set?

783
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.679
Again, because everyone on in this episode is stupid.

784
00:50:37.739 --> 00:50:46.679
All that Scotty has to do is kind of feign a bit of a feint and distract her so that she can be conveniently disarmed.

785
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:50.760
But look, Shannon is having no fun here at all.

786
00:50:50.820 --> 00:50:52.320
This is unpleasant to watch.

787
00:50:52.380 --> 00:50:58.320
It's not, you know, when Shatner's chewing the scenery and stuff like that, that's actually quite, quite fun.

788
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:00.360
Mad eyes.

789
00:51:00.420 --> 00:51:03.960
She's like, she's giving him like such a stare, isn't she?

790
00:51:04.019 --> 00:51:05.340
Yeah, she's pretty great.

791
00:51:07.139 --> 00:51:10.079
Like, I think for a guest actress.

792
00:51:10.139 --> 00:51:13.739
This is like grand, this is because like we can just come in.

793
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:17.039
I can just come in and beat camp as hell for 40 minutes.

794
00:51:17.099 --> 00:51:18.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

795
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:21.179
Oh, dear.

796
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:22.019
All right.

797
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:23.039
Oh my god.

798
00:51:23.099 --> 00:51:28.260
And so what, he's going to put the hairdryer on and suddenly become a genius surgeon.

799
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.320
Do you know what this would have worked as?

800
00:51:31.380 --> 00:51:36.900
This might have worked as a animated series episode, a condensed episode.

801
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:47.519
Yeah, if it had been half an hour long, I think it would have been tolerable, actually. you know, maybe not tolerable, but, well, I mean, the idea is inherently stupid, right?

802
00:51:47.579 --> 00:51:56.460
And you've got people saying Spock's brain, and there is something, there is something kind of a bit amazing about them deciding to play it completely straight.

803
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:02.039
I mean, this does feel like it's geared at children.

804
00:52:02.099 --> 00:52:06.900
Yeah, and I don't think the original series often does, like, this, it does just feel very simplistic.

805
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:13.800
Yeah, it's super simplistic and it's super B movie, like and it's sort of weird and grotesque.

806
00:52:13.860 --> 00:52:19.679
Um, But I don't think that's the problem, is it?

807
00:52:19.739 --> 00:52:22.380
Like, it's the problem that they've stolen Spock's brain?

808
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:26.820
What about when they steal Neelix's lungs in, uh, yeah, see, that works.

809
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:28.199
And that works, you know.

810
00:52:28.260 --> 00:52:31.920
And he has that wonderful moment where wonderful.

811
00:52:31.980 --> 00:52:39.360
It's really scary where he can't breathe and he has a panic attack and he's stuck in the buyer bed and he's all claustrophobic.

812
00:52:39.420 --> 00:52:41.280
Well, there's none of that going on here, is there?

813
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:42.420
No, no, no.

814
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:44.880
There's no acting from Shatna here at this point.

815
00:52:44.940 --> 00:52:45.780
He's just standing there.

816
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:53.159
Deforest Kelly has just had all the medical knowledge of the universe called into his brain.

817
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:58.800
I love when Scotty goes, oh, I might use that in a minute, you know.

818
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:02.699
Technical the technical expertise.

819
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:09.719
I actually like this line, the one where he says, of course, even a child could do it.

820
00:53:09.780 --> 00:53:12.300
I think that's that's really cool.

821
00:53:12.420 --> 00:53:16.500
Like that properly sells how much knowledge he has.

822
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:18.420
I'm absolutely there for that line.

823
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:22.860
Oh, look, I've...

824
00:53:22.860 --> 00:53:24.719
Oh, Jesus Christ.

825
00:53:24.780 --> 00:53:27.360
But look, of course, we're not actually going to see it.

826
00:53:27.420 --> 00:53:29.880
So his head is behind a screen.

827
00:53:29.940 --> 00:53:34.800
I would just see DeForest Kelly kind of, you know, doing...

828
00:53:34.860 --> 00:53:37.559
Doing things like apparently like a foot above his head.

829
00:53:37.619 --> 00:53:44.099
Like, do his do his arms really reach all the way down there?

830
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:47.159
Maybe his just a very long scalpel or something.

831
00:53:47.219 --> 00:53:48.780
I don't quite know what's going on.

832
00:53:48.900 --> 00:53:54.960
So then you get to the point at the end where it's like, okay, so his brain is reconnected and he's all fine.

833
00:53:55.019 --> 00:53:56.280
And so what was the point of this?

834
00:53:56.460 --> 00:53:58.860
Did we learn a valuable lesson?

835
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:01.920
Yeah, we did.

836
00:54:01.980 --> 00:54:03.900
We learned how not to make Star Trek.

837
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:14.039
Well, is this like, and we've deactivated Landrew, and now you can all just kind of live your lives normally or whatever, like what's happening.

838
00:54:14.099 --> 00:54:21.599
Like, you won't have the controller, so you'll have to go up top and fuck the morgues and have babies or whatever.

839
00:54:21.659 --> 00:54:22.739
Like, I don't...

840
00:54:22.739 --> 00:54:26.519
Like, a lot of T West does have, like, the director camera.

841
00:54:26.579 --> 00:54:29.340
This is the moral of the episode, doesn't it?

842
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.219
Whereas there's none of that, because what could we possibly learn from this?

843
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:35.099
But is isn't that in?

844
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:43.380
Like we'll stay behind and help you, but you can't live in the remains of this technology that's infantilising you or something?

845
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.000
But it's all very undercoated.

846
00:54:45.059 --> 00:54:47.039
How is that relevant to anything inside?

847
00:54:47.219 --> 00:54:48.780
what are we learning as an audience?

848
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:51.659
Well, put your phone down. know, I don't know.

849
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:53.940
Ooh, okay, there you go.

850
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:54.900
That's a good reading.

851
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:57.179
Right.

852
00:54:57.239 --> 00:54:58.079
Thanks, box, brain.

853
00:54:58.139 --> 00:54:59.159
I'm going put it in the drawer.

854
00:54:59.219 --> 00:55:00.360
Yeah, that's right.

855
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:03.000
Oh dear.

856
00:55:03.059 --> 00:55:07.079
Do you know what's, do you know what's the worst thing about Spot's brain?

857
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:09.840
Oh, I don't think it's the worst episode of the third.

858
00:55:09.900 --> 00:55:10.380
So season?

859
00:55:10.739 --> 00:55:15.840
Okay, that's the one with the demonic kids with the magical bewitched powers.

860
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:24.239
And the dreadful light entertainment actor who appears as a shimmering green ghost going, kill them all.

861
00:55:24.300 --> 00:55:26.280
It's really terrible.

862
00:55:26.340 --> 00:55:30.059
Oh my god, they put so much sweat on his face, haven't they?

863
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:31.260
Like, this is tense stuff now.

864
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:34.619
No, these is poor old Daniels.

865
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:36.360
What is his name, Mark Daniels?

866
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:42.300
Mark Daniels. wring some tension out of these, where it's kind of like, do you think Spock will survive?

867
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:46.860
Who knows, you know, like maybe he's not going to make it.

868
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:49.260
Except that obviously he is.

869
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:52.980
I mean, that literally would be the nail in the coffin of Star Trek.

870
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:54.599
If they remove Spock from the show.

871
00:55:54.659 --> 00:55:55.559
Yeah.

872
00:55:55.619 --> 00:55:58.500
Well, you know, he wasn't going to come back for phase two.

873
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:00.420
And they had another...

874
00:56:00.420 --> 00:56:01.380
What was phase two?

875
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:09.960
So it was an attempt to make a new Star Trek series in the early 70s, I think.

876
00:56:10.019 --> 00:56:12.539
And then eventually they just turned it into the movie.

877
00:56:12.659 --> 00:56:14.820
Wasn't it greenlit?

878
00:56:14.820 --> 00:56:18.179
and they even built sets and things. and then it was, the plug was pulled at the...

879
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:19.679
There was some casting happening.

880
00:56:19.739 --> 00:56:20.820
There were some scripts.

881
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:28.019
The child from Star Trek, The Next Generation Series 2 is a phase 2 script that they've repurposed.

882
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:29.400
Well of course it was.

883
00:56:29.460 --> 00:56:36.300
I mean, I mean, the child from season 2 of TNG is Gene Robinbury fruit and fruit, isn't it?

884
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:37.800
It's so crummy.

885
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.619
A female crew member being violated horribly.

886
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:42.780
Yeah, yeah, by Tinker Bell.

887
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:46.320
So bad.

888
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:48.000
Oh, see this is quite cute now.

889
00:56:48.059 --> 00:56:49.679
This is quite cute where Spock.

890
00:56:49.980 --> 00:56:52.980
Yeah, it's ridiculous. like the whole.

891
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:54.239
No, no, that's fine though.

892
00:56:54.420 --> 00:56:59.099
But look, and Shatner's kind of got his old glint in his eye back as well.

893
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:02.699
I think it's having Nemoy around.

894
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:03.900
Do you think he should deliver?

895
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:05.219
to have fun.

896
00:57:05.340 --> 00:57:16.860
Like, well, this is a bit more fun and a bit less silly, and it's the 3 main characters doing interplay, and they're all very good together.

897
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:19.559
Oh, and then you've got, you know, 3rd wheel.

898
00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:21.960
Scoffing as well, yeah.

899
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:23.219
But do you know what?

900
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:24.239
As the show goes on.

901
00:57:24.300 --> 00:57:30.239
He does get a more prominent role in a lot of episodes, Scottie. you know, he's trying to muscle in.

902
00:57:30.300 --> 00:57:31.079
He never quite makes it.

903
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:34.500
It's such a weird look.

904
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:38.639
I like his look in the films much more when he's a big fat guy with the stars.

905
00:57:38.699 --> 00:57:41.880
I know this ship, like the back of my hand, slam.

906
00:57:41.940 --> 00:57:44.280
It's really fun. he's right.

907
00:57:44.340 --> 00:57:48.960
Don't you know what the best part is, is when he picks up the mouse in Star Trek 4 goes. tilt into the mouth.

908
00:57:49.019 --> 00:57:50.099
Hello, computer.

909
00:57:50.579 --> 00:57:52.320
So funny.

910
00:57:52.380 --> 00:57:53.699
We got to do the films one day.

911
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:55.920
Oh yeah, no, no, we absolutely will.

912
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:58.199
Oh, dear.

913
00:57:58.260 --> 00:57:59.340
So that's it.

914
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:00.719
That was the...

915
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:01.440
Does this end?

916
00:58:01.500 --> 00:58:02.039
Hang on.

917
00:58:02.099 --> 00:58:04.440
Is this a number 2 track episode that ends on a terrible joke?

918
00:58:04.500 --> 00:58:05.940
Ends on a crap joke.

919
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:06.179
Yeah.

920
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:08.820
Like a really, really shitty crap joke.

921
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:10.739
It's miserable.

922
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:13.440
And it's kind of mean-spirited and racist as well.

923
00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:14.940
Look, not a hair out of place.

924
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:18.420
Does it have that kind of...

925
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:22.679
I always do at the end.

926
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:25.380
Oh, look at me boy.

927
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:29.639
He's like, oh, this terrible joke where he's like, oh, I should have, what is it?

928
00:58:29.699 --> 00:58:32.099
I should have kept his speech centres off or something.

929
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:34.320
Yeah, yuck. you know that's dreadful.

930
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:38.579
And it's kind of like, aren't you supposed to be like science people?

931
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:40.980
Why aren't you interested in this explanation?

932
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:42.719
You know, like it's not.

933
00:58:42.780 --> 00:58:44.400
It's not that boring.

934
00:58:44.940 --> 00:58:46.980
Yeah, it's very strange.

935
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:49.380
What the fuck has Scotty done in this scene?

936
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:50.159
Why is he here?

937
00:58:50.219 --> 00:58:51.599
No, I don't know.

938
00:58:51.659 --> 00:58:53.340
No, what's he done in this episode?

939
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:54.179
But what's that?

940
00:58:54.179 --> 00:58:55.019
I think he's winding.

941
00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:55.679
He's winging.

942
00:58:55.739 --> 00:58:58.260
I come back for series 3 and then she just put me in more scenes, all right?

943
00:58:58.320 --> 00:58:59.219
Yeah maybe that's it.

944
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:01.500
I'm still worried about Chekhov.

945
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:06.960
I hope that that glowing rock hasn't run out because I would hate to think they were cold right now.

946
00:59:07.500 --> 00:59:11.219
Yes, and we haven't cut back to...

947
00:59:11.219 --> 00:59:13.019
It was completely irrelevant.

948
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:14.880
No, they didn't come back in.

949
00:59:14.940 --> 00:59:15.420
Here we are.

950
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:17.760
We're all laughing at the crack cramp joke.

951
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:20.099
So bad.

952
00:59:20.219 --> 00:59:22.679
It's, uh, yeah.

953
00:59:22.739 --> 00:59:24.360
Do you know what, right?

954
00:59:24.420 --> 00:59:24.900
Do you know what?

955
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:25.920
I'm going to be honest with you.

956
00:59:25.980 --> 00:59:26.340
Yeah.

957
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.739
Oh, look at that fabulous alien monster there.

958
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:29.400
Did you see that?

959
00:59:29.460 --> 00:59:32.820
That's from Spectra of the Gum. is a much superior episode.

960
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:34.800
Oh, okay.

961
00:59:34.860 --> 00:59:37.019
Is that a Tholian?

962
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:39.480
No, no, no, no.

963
00:59:39.539 --> 00:59:40.739
No, you don't really find out.

964
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:50.699
It's a weird green disembodied head in a black void that sends them off to that Western town that they took the Mickey out of so spectacularly in lower decks.

965
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:51.659
L X last week.

966
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:53.699
Well, the other week.

967
00:59:53.820 --> 00:59:55.739
I could be completely honest with you, right?

968
00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:56.039
Yeah?

969
00:59:56.099 --> 01:00:03.719
I started talking about other ridiculous episodes in the franchise because David was so little to talk about in the latter half of that episode.

970
01:00:03.780 --> 01:00:06.119
I think that that's the problem.

971
01:00:06.179 --> 01:00:10.320
I don't think that the premise had to be terrible.

972
01:00:10.380 --> 01:00:18.300
Like, I think the premise is stupid, but it has been known for there to be other stupid premises in Star Trek episodes.

973
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:21.239
And I don't think that that's the criminal thing.

974
01:00:21.300 --> 01:00:30.300
The criminal thing is how linear and how boring it is and how it just fails as a piece of drama, you know, there's no stakes.

975
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:35.340
But you know something that the original series does so well is it can be so much fun.

976
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:38.820
Like, go and watch something like the Trouble with Tribbles.

977
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:42.300
I mean, it's just like a sugar rush of an episode.

978
01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:43.559
It's so much fun.

979
01:00:43.619 --> 01:00:45.300
There's no fun in this at all.

980
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:46.079
No.

981
01:00:46.139 --> 01:00:54.420
And, you know, even the ones where they go to, like, like, space Chicago or, like, just ancient Rome.

982
01:00:54.539 --> 01:00:56.519
Oh, and that one.

983
01:00:56.579 --> 01:00:58.920
Oh, that's not a thigh in that episode, I'm telling you.

984
01:00:58.980 --> 01:01:02.219
It's, I mean, it's stupid, but they're funny.

985
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:07.679
Remember when they go to Alice in Wonderland and the rabbit is bouncing around in Southern California?

986
01:01:07.739 --> 01:01:08.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

987
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:11.639
So it can do preposterous premises.

988
01:01:11.699 --> 01:01:12.539
That's not the problem.

989
01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:17.039
The problem is that that's just kind of terribly tedious.

990
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:24.300
I think you just needed another run through the script to make it overtly comic.

991
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:31.019
And a director that was just willing to go crazy with it instead of just taking it also bloody seriously.

992
01:01:31.139 --> 01:01:45.659
Yeah, although there is something pretty damn impressive, particularly about the scene where they are talking about Spock's brain being gone and everyone playing it so straight.

993
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.679
So Nathan, I've got a question for you.

994
01:01:52.800 --> 01:02:01.260
Why are you insisting that we do a 2nd Star Trek, The Next Generation episode, beyond your complete love for that show?

995
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:09.539
Oh, that's basically the reason, to be honest, but we haven't actually done a Star Trek The Next Generation episode since our very 1st episode.

996
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:13.320
We've done 2 voyages and 2 Deep Space 9.

997
01:02:13.380 --> 01:02:16.500
So I thought it would be time to do Star Trek the Next Generation.

998
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:18.599
We've even done 2 TOSes.

999
01:02:18.659 --> 01:02:20.219
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

1000
01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:22.139
There's only 3 seasons of TOS.

1001
01:02:22.260 --> 01:02:24.360
And there are 7 seasons of the next generation.

1002
01:02:24.420 --> 01:02:31.199
So it's time that we got our Deanna on and um, yes, I hope we get Deanna episode.

1003
01:02:31.260 --> 01:02:32.519
I love her so much.

1004
01:02:32.579 --> 01:02:34.739
Yeah, what about man of the people?

1005
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:35.699
Imagine that.

1006
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:36.360
All right.

1007
01:02:36.420 --> 01:02:38.099
I've got my finger on the button.

1008
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:41.099
If it's man, the people, I'll just be, go on.

1009
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.320
Oh, this isn't a bad one.

1010
01:02:43.380 --> 01:02:44.519
Go on.

1011
01:02:44.579 --> 01:02:47.280
So this is season four, episode 19.

1012
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:50.039
It's the nth degree.

1013
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:53.219
Yeah, I don't remember that at all, I'm afraid.

1014
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:55.500
Yeah, so that's Barclay one.

1015
01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:56.880
It's the 2nd Barclay one.

1016
01:02:56.940 --> 01:02:58.320
Nah, push it again.

1017
01:02:58.380 --> 01:02:58.860
Okay.

1018
01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:04.079
Oh, this is the 1st part of a 2 parter.

1019
01:03:04.139 --> 01:03:10.139
It's the season 6 finale descent.

1020
01:03:10.500 --> 01:03:13.980
Oh, it's truly dreadful.

1021
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:15.780
It's really quite dreadful, isn't it?

1022
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:20.579
Oh, I'm almost tempting because we haven't we haven't done a two-parter.

1023
01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:22.679
Yeah, what do you reckon?

1024
01:03:22.739 --> 01:03:24.480
It's your call.

1025
01:03:24.539 --> 01:03:29.519
Well, we get Brent, you know, 2 Brents, in fact, that's something.

1026
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:31.199
Do you know what?

1027
01:03:31.260 --> 01:03:37.860
There's some fabulous discussion to be had around the complete emasculation of the Borg and how they just got it.

1028
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:41.340
Like, it's like the weak angel effects with every subsequent appearance.

1029
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:43.079
They just kept wrong. and worse.

1030
01:03:43.139 --> 01:03:43.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1031
01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:45.300
What do you reckon?

1032
01:03:45.420 --> 01:03:47.039
Double the brand.

1033
01:03:47.099 --> 01:03:50.219
And I think in episode two, Dr. Bev gets to fly the ship.

1034
01:03:51.179 --> 01:03:53.880
I remember that's entirely possible.

1035
01:03:53.940 --> 01:03:57.420
And Hugh Borg turns up before... turns up as well.

1036
01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:00.000
And oh, and data is like violent, isn't he?

1037
01:04:00.059 --> 01:04:03.000
And has he moments of where he's really quite scary.

1038
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:04.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1039
01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:05.460
Actually that's pretty good.

1040
01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:06.840
Yeah let's do that.

1041
01:04:06.900 --> 01:04:10.559
This, I believe, there's Ron Moore's involved in this.

1042
01:04:10.619 --> 01:04:13.079
And it's pretty and it's pretty shit.

1043
01:04:13.139 --> 01:04:15.360
So that would be interesting to talk about as well.

1044
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:17.400
Brilliant.

1045
01:04:24.539 --> 01:04:30.780
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1046
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:37.739
You can find us online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1047
01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:43.500
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1048
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:51.420
This episode was recorded on the 27th of December 2021 and released on the 14th of January 2022.

1049
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:56.639
We'll see you next time for the Next Generation's descent.