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Hey, Joe. Hi there.

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Today is an important day for us.

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This is the day that we do our 2nd Star Trek, the original series

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episode, and we've got a real winner on our hands today.

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What are we watching?

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Well, we're going from like opposing polls, aren't we?

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We did the call might maneuver, which was like, as we both kind of

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said, fantastic.

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Yep.

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And now we're doing, you know, one of the most successful episodes

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in the Star Trek franchise.

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Spock's brain.

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I mean, just the title alone inspires me.

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It's, uh, it's really something. kind of legendary, this one, isn't

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it?

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We were super excited when it turned up on the randomiser last

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time because it is famously bad.

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And I don't think necessarily it's the worst episode of Star

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Trek.

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Oh, no, not by long shot.

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I like, like there are episodes of Star Trek that are painfully

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boring.

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Like there are many episodes of The Next Generation that are very

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very dark.

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This is not boring.

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It's just, well, really fucking stupid.

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That's the problem.

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I have to say that just like I think that I counted the phrase box

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brain happens like 14 times or something.

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Like it happens quite a lot in dialogue and the use of the word

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brain over and over again.

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And the premise is so kind of stupid that it can't be an

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accident.

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Surely it's not an accident.

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Well, I don't know, like, because there are many episodes of TOS

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which I think are kind of being played with a wing to the audience

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but I don't detect any of that here.

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I feel as if this is being played as a drama.

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And that's that is the funniest thing of all about this, you

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know.

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But it's just hard to imagine that no one involved realised that

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it was stupid.

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You know, like there's certainly you're right.

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They do.

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Shatner says that he was deeply embarrassed making.

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And so does Leonard Nemoy.

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Ronald D Moore causes the 2nd worst episode of Star Trek ever.

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And it's only the 2nd worst because it kind of has like a

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campiness to it that makes it bearable.

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Like, everybody knows this is really stupid.

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But for some reason, they just chose to sort of the director chose

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to make this a drama rather than a comedy.

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I mean, this is ripe for comedy, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, but the script isn't funny.

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And so, like, what are you gonna do?

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And playing it straight is a very strange choice, but that's what

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they seem to have gone with.

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Well, before we go in, I just want to talk about the pedigree. that

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went into this episode.

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Okay, because this is written by Lee Cronin, okay?

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And that is a pseudonym of Gene Coon, who wrote a prolific amount

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of TOS episodes and produced, I think, quite a bit of it as well.

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This guy, it's kind of suggested that this is the guy that shaved

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Star Trek and not Gene Roddenbury.

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Right.

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Okay, so I'm just going to read out a small list of things that

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this guy invented, okay, in TOS.

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So he invented the Klingons.

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Khan Singh, Zephron Cochran, the definition of the prime directive

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the naming of the United Federation of Planets, the naming of

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Starfleet Command, like the building blocks of Star Trek, were

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Gene Coon, and not Gene Woodenby.

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And a lot of people say, so what happened in season two, Bread and

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Circuses was written between the 2 genes.

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Right.

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And there was massive creative differences.

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And Gene Rodenery essentially fired him and said, I think the real

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story is that he quit.

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And saying, look, you know, we just can't work together anymore.

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And then he kind of, he wrote 3 scripts, I think it's 3 for season

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three.

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Spock's brain is one of them.

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Spectra of the gun is one of them, a wink of an eye is one of the

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wink of an eye.

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So Spectral of the Gun and Winkle are actually both really good

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high concept episodes.

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I don't know what happened here, but there we go.

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Was it revenge?

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Was he so cross with rod and bree that he submitted spark

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spraying?

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By all lookouts, like Gene Coon, he's like famously one of the

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fastest writers in Hollywood and he could literally turn out a

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script or a rewrite overnight.

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Right.

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Which might explain a lot here.

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If they needed a script in a hurry.

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Well, this feels like it was turned out overnight.

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You and I know that in another TV show that we love.

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Doctor Who, that very creative things can come out of

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desperation.

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Yeah.

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Perhaps that's not the case here.

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And this was directed by Mark Daniels.

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Now, Mark Daniels directed the Menagerie, Mirror, Mirror

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Assignment Earth.

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I think he's got about 9 or 10 episodes in his belt before this

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and this was the last one he directed.

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He didn't want to make any more after this after getting this

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script.

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He famously said, I don't like the direction the show's going in, I

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don't want to be a part of this anymore.

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Because I think we'll both agree that there is some pretty good

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direction. in this episode.

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Unfortunately, you can only direct the script that you've been

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handed.

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But the weirdest thing is, is so both of the director and the

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writer have form and they have good, good form.

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They've written and directed good stuff.

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So what the hell went wrong?

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Yeah, it's inexplicable, isn't it?

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It's very, very strange. and we have a new producer in series 3 as

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well don't we?

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Well, you know more about this fella.

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Fred Fred Freiberger.

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So he comes in in series three.

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The only reason I know about him is, I mean, I think series 3 has

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a reputation for having some silly broad camp episodes.

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He came into space 1999, which is another sort of Star Trek

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adjacent thing that I really like.

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And that did 2 series, and the 1st series was very stately and

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very sort of inspired by 2001 and had beautiful sets and stuff and

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was very sort of philosophical and things in a way that people

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imagine Star Trek is, but it often isn't.

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And then Freiburger came along in series 2 and just, you know

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fucked it up, essentially, and made it stupid and kind of...

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But I think, you know, it's interesting because there are some

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interesting parallels there.

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Now, and I think it is easy to point a finger at this guy and say

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he ruined both shows.

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I think in both Star Trek's case and in Space 1999's case, the

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budgets were slashed a lot in the 2 seasons that he did.

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And actually they wanted to cancel Star Trek after series two.

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NBC had had enough of it.

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The ratings had kind of dived a little bit, and they said, right

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we've had enough, and it was only because of, and only a few shows

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have succeeded in this vein.

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Massive fan campaign meant that, oh, God, all right, we'll make

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another year.

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But we'll give it the death slot.

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Yeah, they know that.

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They promised that it would be a great slot and they gave it

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Friday night at 10 PM when nobody was watching television and they

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slashed the budget.

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So essentially they were trying to kill off.

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Star Trek.

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And I think Shatner famously says, which box brain that it's like

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basically like an ode to the NBC executives that wanted it gone

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because this is what you get when you give it no time.

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You give it no money.

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The fact that it's made at all is probably a miracle.

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And the fact as well, the fact that some of season 3 of TOS is of

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worth, it's to their credit because, you know, they really, they

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really weren't given this the resources it served.

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Yeah.

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That killing off Star Trek thing.

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That didn't really work out although well, did it?

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Well, no, they tried.

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It's like the exact I wanted to kill off Doctor Who, isn't it?

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Yeah, these days, that's right.

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Quality endures.

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That's it.

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All right.

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Well, speaking of quality, let's queue up Spock's brain.

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This shall be the height of our podcasting experience.

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Unless Shades of Grey turns up on the Randomiser, this is probably

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the depths.

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Oh, that's pretty great. right?

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If we got shades of gray afterspot's brain.

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What did we do wrong?

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All right, so I have my finger poised over the play button.

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So I will counter it in. 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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Are you watching the new effects or the old effects?

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I actually have the old effects?

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So the new effects are on Netflix or whatever streaming service is

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still running this show?

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But yeah, no, I'm doing the old effects, which are crummy.

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Um, Well, I'm happy to report that the new effects are incredibly

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good.

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So this is a baffling scene.

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Like, I just don't know what's happening here.

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Did, like, did Mark Daniels, like, accidentally leave off page one

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of the script?

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Like, he left it at his desk and then he came down to the studio

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floor and everyone is just standing around?

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No one's saying anything.

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There's no time.

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Yeah, because they're all in awe of the mysterious objects that's

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approaching the enterprise.

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Oh, God, someone broke the ice.

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Thanks.

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It's it's baffling.

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Like, is it meant to be tense because they're all just kind of

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sitting around?

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You know, it's just comparing it to the Corbamite maneuver, which

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was sort of crappy in all kinds of ways, but had proper tension.

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I opened up.

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You remember that amazing shot above the bridge.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely incredible.

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But this, interestingly, this has an effect shot in a minute, which

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is unique unto this episode, I believe, and that is Kirk standing

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in front of the moving starscape.

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Oh, we'd never done that before.

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So even with a reduced boat, they're still trying to push the boat

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out a bit. and do creative things.

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So they would have just caded in.

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It would have just been, you know, the thing was a square, so they

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would just have keyed it in sort of optically or whatever.

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And instead, they've got a back projection thing with the

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Starfield actually running.

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So it's a practical effect.

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Oh my god, here she is.

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The beautiful woman who's going to beguile them all.

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Now, does she appear green when she 1st appears in the updated

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special effects she still does?

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It certainly does.

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And now she's in a fabulous purple number.

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Dear idea.

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Every alpha describes her as a lady.

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A lady comes on board the Enterprise.

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It's so sad.

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I mean, I can't think of more 60s costume than what she's got on

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right now, do you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, she's got my mother's hair.

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It's absolutely a thing.

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And I also think that this woman, look at these people falling

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over.

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That woman absolutely gives it her all.

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There's Major Barrett, Robin B. Absolutely.

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Jeez.

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She's really going.

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The lighting is really nice here.

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It's really effective.

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Look at her shadow against the wall.

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Okay, it's a ridiculous sequence, but he is trying to give it a

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bum.

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Oh my god, a hero's got her legs open.

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Shut your legs, love.

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Oh, no, this is great.

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The way she touches his head.

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Yes.

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That'll come off.

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Oh my gosh.

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Okay, so I hate to inform you, but that's probably the highlight

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of this episode.

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I think there's I think there's a superb bit of direction when

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they discovered that Spock is missing, which I will point out when

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we reach it.

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Do you know the bit of direction that always makes me laugh every

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time that this every time Spock appears?

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Like, there's a massive close-up on his comatose face.

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Like dramatic zooms are, you know, very original trek, aren't

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they?

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Yeah, yeah.

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This is uh, it's, it's very, very silly.

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There's one where we throw to an ad break on that stupid face, like

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and oh.

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But you know what?

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You have said to me before, though, you like original track

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because it is willing to be a bit silly.

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Oh, I, yeah, yeah.

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Maybe this is silly over a cliff though, isn't it?

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Well, I, it's maybe not silly that's the problem.

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It might be that it's kind of boring.

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And and thin.

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Like, yeah, there's no real point to it, is there?

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There's no... there's no substance to any of it It's just stuff

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happening.

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Yeah, yeah.

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A whole bunch of things happen and then they go home, you know.

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So look where the camera is now, it's where Spock was sitting

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before, right?

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So the cameras moved.

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So that's exactly where Spock's seat is.

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And so we can't see that Spock's missing because we're where Spock

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is.

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And I kind of like that.

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So that's how we notice it. you know, we don't get a dramatic shot

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of where Spock would normally be.

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I just think it's a...

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I just point out that and it's very distracting.

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I think I messaged you whilst I was watching this the 1st time.

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This is where Scotty discovered brewl cream.

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So he suddenly slicking his hair back in a very cool way.

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You know, it's kind of like a modern hairstyle really.

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So yeah, these things in Sick Bay, you know, the instrument things

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that still go over people that we still have inside. bio beds, bio

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beds.

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Oh, dear.

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And he's got a space bandage on.

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There's a whole heap of brain surgery that happens without kind of

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interfering in any way with Leonard Nemoy's hair, which is pretty

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impressive, I think.

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I mean, they've got to put that bandage over him.

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He's got no brain, you know, they're not gonna show us that, are

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they?

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What's Shannon doing?

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Like what is Shatner doing here?

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Look at all these...

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Oh my word.

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In a minute, in a minute, it's the funniest line of dialogue ever

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when Deforest Kenny like proclaims, where in the universe are you

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going to find Spuck's brain?

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Yeah, normally that's a question that can be answered fairly

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easily, you know, but right now.

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It's not there.

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Is this is this the most B movie?

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Star Trek episode.

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Yeah, and I think that that's kind of okay.

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Like Star Trek doesn't have to be sort of philosophical all the

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time or political or whatever.

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And I think it is less those things than we like to think it is.

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You know, there's a there's a strong strain of sort of B movie

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shit in Star Trek.

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I don't think there's enough these days, you know, though.

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I think there's not enough B movie and trek.

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In modern trek.

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Modern Trek is kind of political, isn't it?

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And, and, and intellectual and, but, you know, they get Rain

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Wilson in to play Harry Maud and, and, you know, we've had the

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Guardian of Forever on it and all of that sort of thing.

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Like it absolutely leans into that nonsense.

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It's still not embarrassed by it.

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I think I think Star Trek the Next Generation is embarrassed by it

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but I don't think Discovery is.

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Star Trek the Nation is sometimes completely B-movie.

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You remember the game?

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You remember when they all turned into monsters?

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That's pretty crazy, you know?

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But I, you know, I will say, you know, you know, I always love to

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like, pump up DS9 on this podcast, but in the magnificent Ferengi

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when they absolutely do a homage to Spock's brain.

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They do it the way it should have been done as a comic set piece.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I watched the magnificent Ferengi yesterday.

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And it's possible that I'd never seen it before.

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I really couldn't remember it and didn't know how it went.

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And it is really, really cool. funny, isn't it?

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Yeah, Christ, there's a lot of latex in that show, though.

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Do you know, it's just it's full of like insanely camp, theatrical

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actors, just going for it, isn't it?

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But obviously they have the sequence at the end where the water is

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anim- as an animated call.

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Corpse.

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Yeah.

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Using neural stimulators exactly.

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Exactly like Spock in this.

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Yeah.

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And it is a complete ripoff, but in a wonderful way.

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Look at her.

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The woman in the miniskirt just walked in front of the screen.

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Look, they're just getting everyone to walk in front of the screen

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now Kirk goes up there and he walks across as well.

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We are showing off this special effect.

366
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No, Sulu's kind of hot, you know, isn't he?

367
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He's got the, it's the eyebrows, I think.

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Don't think the hair's doing him any favours, but the eyebrows are

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you know, honestly, you have got a serious issue with these beetle

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haircuts, you know.

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Yeah, I like them.

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I think it's definitely a look.

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It's a look.

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Oh my god.

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I've got to say, I'm seeing updated special effects now of this

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beautifully rendered CGI enterprise. going across the screen.

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And it looks it's just stunning.

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Like, I know people that refuse to watch with the new effects and

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you know, I kind of, I kind of get it, that they want the

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authentic experience.

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But like you said, if you can give this stuff extra life, you know

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and some people will be painfully embarrassed by the original

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model effects.

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And, and, you know, the quality of the, you know, the film was a

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bit rough in places.

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You know, when they do the fade to black and the film drops down a

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generation and all sorts of stuff like that.

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What do we think of this, uh, schematic on the, on the view

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screen?

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I couldn't do any better.

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If I'm honest.

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I quite like it.

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We're using Futura.

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I'm a big fan of Futura as a font and there it is.

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This is hilarious where they need to try and choose...

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There's no sense to this scene. where they're going up.

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Which of these 3 M class planets are we going to go to?

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Just make a load of shit up and they go, well, we'll go to we'll

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go to the ice planet.

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All right.

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We've not been to one of those for a while.

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Yeah, no, it's uh, it's super boring.

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I mean, it's just sort of crazy boring.

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It's like...

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Do you see Chehov here?

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Chekhov, um, kind of uh, to decide explaining everything.

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In series 2, there's this real, because he only joins the series

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too.

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Um, about him like being a student and, you know, finding his feet

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as a as a young ensign and blah, blah, blah.

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And I think this is now, you know, he's made it.

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Look at it.

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He can talk techno babble like the best of them.

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But, like, this scene is just interminable, and it is we decide

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which planet to go to, and there's literally no tension because, of

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course, we know that probably Spock will get his brain back.

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And, you know, by the end of the episode.

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And so, you know, Kirk has to make a difficult decision between

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these 3 planets, none of which looks promising, and he goes on his

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hunch, and just a lot of space words get said, and...

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The good thing is, Hunch was right then, isn't it?

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Oh, yeah.

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They do this. they do this fake tension count.

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Like, if we don't find Spuck within 24 hours, he's going to die.

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And then in the immediate next scene, there's a voiceover, we've

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only got 5 hours to go.

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It's like, do it even a day.

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That's in a plain canaster and stuff.

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It's a hurry.

431
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Oh, God, yeah, so they're talking about, look, the ice planet, it's

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it hasn't got any technology.

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So that's an excuse to beam down and we're going to be attacked by

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primitives in a minute.

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Yeah, yeah.

436
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I mean, there's sort of something happening.

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It's Nathan, do not try and give this an intelligent reading, all

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right?

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Do not try.

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I think I think it's ripping off the time machine, like very

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clearly ripping off the time machine.

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And so in HG Wells time machine, in the future, uh, uh, an

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advanced race, like a scientifically advanced version of humanity

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splits into 2 separate species.

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And in the time machine, it's on, based on class, so the working

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class become the Morlocks and the upper classes who live off the

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Morlocks, work become the Eloy.

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And the Eloy have devolved to such a point where they can't

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speak.

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So they can speak in the film, but not in the book, right?

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And so you've got the 2 races, the Morlocks and the Eloy.

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And here you've got the morgues and the eye morgues, and they live

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in the remains of an advanced technology and something about that

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advanced technology, their reliance on that technology has made

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them stupid or something.

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You know, they've averted it.

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I'm sorry.

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I cannot believe you've managed to give a small reading on Spock's

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brain.

460
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Well done.

461
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But I mean, there's nothing to it.

462
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It is all bullshit, but it's very clear that that's where it comes

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from.

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Now, I'm watching the original special effects version, and

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basically what they've done is just scattered a bit of flour

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around their shitty planet set.

467
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Yeah, no, that's exactly, that's on the new ones.

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But when they 1st beam down, Yeah, they've done this fabulous

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mountain scaping. looks stunning.

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I think it's so bad though.

471
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Oh no, it is.

472
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No, it is worse in the original version.

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They did do something to the to the set in the in the updated

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version.

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At least they've made it. snowy. is blue.

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It looks like a sky.

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When they do these pinks and purple sky, it looks so fake, doesn't

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it?

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I love it.

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Like, if I squint, I could almost pretend I'm on an ape.

481
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Yeah, no, you couldn't.

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And they put try and pull this shit in series one of Star Trek, the

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next generation, you know, like 20 years later.

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I don't think.

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I don't think an alien punters ever look more like a sounds, like

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stage in Paramount than in, like, hiding Q when they do that green

487
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backdrop.

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Awful.

489
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But I mean, that's on the holiday, isn't it?

490
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Or is it?

491
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No, that's in a real planet, isn't it?

492
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It's a real, it's a Q planet, but you know, yeah.

493
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Oh, look at these, look at these primitive slur.

494
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See, part of the problem too is that you can see the relics of the

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time machine here, because the dialogue wants these to be huge

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muscle men, right?

497
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And they're not.

498
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Like they just didn't get the note, did he?

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No.

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So, you know, all of our away team are men, but the men are not, um

501
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morgues or whatever, they're kind of midway between the morgues

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and the eyeborks.

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Jesus Christ.

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The I'm also the ones that are released by Apple, I think

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probably.

506
00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:51.779
But you know what, Nathan, you're a smart man.

507
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:54.299
Yeah, no, you have a smart profession.

508
00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:57.000
I can't believe we're doing a podcast talking about the books in

509
00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:57.480
the eye.

510
00:24:57.539 --> 00:24:59.579
That's such bullshit.

511
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:00.900
Oh, life.

512
00:25:00.900 --> 00:25:02.220
Our life has come to this.

513
00:25:02.819 --> 00:25:05.880
Where do they get the nylon from?

514
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:09.539
Don't you love the way as well?

515
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:12.779
They entice them in with food in a cave, you know?

516
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:15.779
And then and then the door slams down and it's a lift.

517
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:19.619
It takes them so long to work out, it's a trap.

518
00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:20.940
They're also dumb.

519
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:26.519
But the, so, so, so, oh my god, it's got his hair.

520
00:25:26.579 --> 00:25:27.000
I'm sorry.

521
00:25:27.059 --> 00:25:27.779
It's got his hair.

522
00:25:27.779 --> 00:25:29.160
It's incredible.

523
00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:29.819
Yeah.

524
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:37.619
But so this guy doesn't know the word man and or doesn't know male

525
00:25:37.619 --> 00:25:41.220
or female and says that they're small like the women.

526
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:45.720
These guys, so these guys are meant to be giant muscle man, and

527
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:48.720
that would have been, I could have enjoyed that a bit more because

528
00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:50.220
that is Super B movie, isn't it?

529
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:52.799
Chekhov is appalled in a minute.

530
00:25:52.859 --> 00:25:56.339
He goes, oh my god, it's a humanoid and he doesn't know what a

531
00:25:56.339 --> 00:25:56.819
woman is.

532
00:25:59.099 --> 00:26:05.160
It's... leading into that thing that everybody's heterosexual as

533
00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:05.400
well.

534
00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:06.180
Oh, yeah.

535
00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:07.740
Yeah, that's it.

536
00:26:08.339 --> 00:26:16.200
Like they describe the eye morgs as sources of pain and delight.

537
00:26:16.259 --> 00:26:20.819
And so I guess the eye morgs, they bone, do they?

538
00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:22.259
Like, is that what we're talking about?

539
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:23.819
Oh, I don't want to think about it.

540
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.579
I really don't want to think about that, you know, and I don't

541
00:26:26.579 --> 00:26:28.500
usually mind that sort of stuff in podcasts.

542
00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:33.900
But there is one like, okay, I said to you that the dialogue. seems

543
00:26:33.900 --> 00:26:37.200
like it was written by a three-year-old because the dialogue is so

544
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:37.859
simplistic.

545
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:42.180
And the weird thing is, is the dialogue of the primitives and the

546
00:26:42.180 --> 00:26:45.359
dialogue of the supposedly, you know, the smart people

547
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:46.019
underground.

548
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:51.180
It's all written in this incredibly childish kind of broken

549
00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:51.900
English.

550
00:26:51.900 --> 00:26:52.980
Yeah.

551
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:55.319
It's so tedious to listen to.

552
00:26:55.380 --> 00:26:57.720
I'm just like, why am I watching this?

553
00:26:57.779 --> 00:27:01.019
Well, I mean, you wouldn't do that now?

554
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:06.480
Like if Star Trek finds a species of people who are at a lower

555
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:10.200
technological level, we wouldn't patronise them quite in the same

556
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:10.559
way.

557
00:27:10.619 --> 00:27:14.460
You know, the idea that people with low technology are stupid or

558
00:27:14.460 --> 00:27:17.880
that their language is really simple, like we've never discovered

559
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:23.279
a tribe of people with a simple language, you know, like languages

560
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:24.720
always complicated.

561
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:29.700
And so like this is kind of, there's a sort of weird ass

562
00:27:29.700 --> 00:27:36.240
colonialist kind of thing going on with this and and so that's

563
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.160
kind of a little bit hard to take.

564
00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:41.579
See this, a storehouse for our muscular friends, you know, but

565
00:27:41.579 --> 00:27:42.420
they're not muscular.

566
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:43.859
They're just slightly taller than them.

567
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:45.660
And then they've got the weapons and they're like, these were not

568
00:27:45.660 --> 00:27:47.640
forged by the primitives.

569
00:27:47.700 --> 00:27:52.140
But the thing is, is like nobody is talking with any

570
00:27:52.140 --> 00:27:52.740
intelligence.

571
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.460
There's no contrast. you know, and it's and they're supposed to be

572
00:27:56.460 --> 00:27:57.539
a contrast, isn't there?

573
00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:01.980
And then even Kirk and all of this start talking in this weird

574
00:28:01.980 --> 00:28:03.299
broken language as well.

575
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:05.819
Yeah, yeah, just when they're talking to them.

576
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.940
But this, like, why are they standing around wondering whether

577
00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:10.140
this is a trap?

578
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:12.539
It just makes them look stupid.

579
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:14.400
It does make them look stupid.

580
00:28:14.460 --> 00:28:17.400
You think only this scene makes them look stupid.

581
00:28:17.579 --> 00:28:21.299
All the talk about Spock's brain isn't helping either.

582
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:25.380
But remember when the packlids turn up and they look for things to

583
00:28:25.380 --> 00:28:29.579
make them go and go, you are smart and stuff like that.

584
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:30.480
No, no, no, no.

585
00:28:30.539 --> 00:28:31.500
Because we talked about that.

586
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:36.359
That is a specifically tailored language to that alien race and it

587
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:38.700
makes sense within that culture.

588
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:41.099
Look at Darmok, where they're talking metaphor.

589
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:42.359
And it's smart.

590
00:28:42.420 --> 00:28:44.640
Oh, Jesus.

591
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:46.799
The dramatic, the dramatic.

592
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:49.019
And you know what?

593
00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:49.980
I love looking like that.

594
00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:55.920
The music is like, da, da, da, da, da, da.

595
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:59.039
The music is actually pretty good in this episode.

596
00:28:59.099 --> 00:29:00.660
Do you know the music later on?

597
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:05.700
Every time his disembodied voice comes along and it's like, It's

598
00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:07.559
like this weird magic music. love it.

599
00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:09.539
It's really good It is great.

600
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.500
I mean, we are literally, you know, reaching for scraps here.

601
00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:19.019
I think there are elements of the design that I quite like a

602
00:29:19.019 --> 00:29:22.380
little bit later, but this shitty cave set.

603
00:29:22.380 --> 00:29:26.940
Well, is it the screensaver you've got behind you by the chance?

604
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:29.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

605
00:29:29.099 --> 00:29:34.200
Spock's brain. brain is literally where Spock's brain is in the

606
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:34.440
episode.

607
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:40.259
This, what is this all about where he just lasers the raw?

608
00:29:40.380 --> 00:29:42.539
Well, this is called eating up running time.

609
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:48.059
And I actually really quite like it, and they do do it in Star

610
00:29:48.059 --> 00:29:50.579
Trek, the Next Generation early on, but you don't see it later.

611
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.819
And like it's clearly a sort of prop that's lit from inside.

612
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.180
And there's some really great sort of blowing on their hands and

613
00:29:57.180 --> 00:30:01.079
rubbing their hands in front of the fire acting, which just

614
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:01.740
goes...

615
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:05.160
I mean, no, the effect is nice, but it's just pointless.

616
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:06.839
No, no, it's eating up running time.

617
00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:09.000
It's like, well, we're going to wait here.

618
00:30:09.059 --> 00:30:09.779
We may as well do something.

619
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:13.200
Yeah, we were really worried about whether Chekov would get cold

620
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:18.119
while he was waiting upstairs. pretty men, you know. are other

621
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:19.079
ways of keeping warm.

622
00:30:19.140 --> 00:30:20.519
I guess so.

623
00:30:20.579 --> 00:30:21.420
That's right.

624
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:22.799
What do you think the morgues do?

625
00:30:22.859 --> 00:30:23.880
Look at that.

626
00:30:23.940 --> 00:30:24.660
Nemoy.

627
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.839
Okay, so let a new my, uh, you know, famous equation.

628
00:30:27.900 --> 00:30:29.519
He was so embarrassed doing this.

629
00:30:29.579 --> 00:30:32.759
So let's see if we can see embarrassment on his face as he's

630
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:34.500
pretending to have no emotion whatsoever.

631
00:30:34.859 --> 00:30:36.660
Oh, dear.

632
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:41.160
So they set your phases to gently lower herself to the ground.

633
00:30:41.460 --> 00:30:47.940
They love doing these kind of futuristic sets coming out of rock

634
00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:49.380
don't they, in TOS?

635
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:51.119
And that's quite nice.

636
00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:52.740
Although the rock does look like paper.

637
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:54.900
It just looks like screwed up paper.

638
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:56.819
Yeah, that's been spray painted.

639
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:57.180
Yeah.

640
00:30:57.660 --> 00:31:00.240
I like the lighting down here though.

641
00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:02.819
It's all kind of 60s pop art liking, is it?

642
00:31:02.819 --> 00:31:03.660
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

643
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.720
And gels, you know, like the gels that they do and it's pink

644
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:08.579
because this is where the ladies live.

645
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:10.500
So this is ladyland.

646
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:13.500
This is where they start talking about Morgan eye morgue, and I

647
00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:14.640
just zoned out completely.

648
00:31:14.700 --> 00:31:18.119
Yeah, with this, she doesn't know the word him. also sort of

649
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:18.539
stupid.

650
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:22.980
She doesn't know what a brain is.

651
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:27.000
They love they love man handling women in TRS as well.

652
00:31:27.539 --> 00:31:28.859
Shaking them about, you know?

653
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:31.380
Yeah, yeah, it's like their property.

654
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:33.180
It's awful.

655
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:34.079
It is a bit awful.

656
00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:35.400
And he does a fair amount of it.

657
00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:37.500
I love those boots though.

658
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:39.119
I want to know where they're getting them from.

659
00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:43.799
Do you think they have a teacher but for like bootmaking?

660
00:31:43.859 --> 00:31:44.819
Maybe.

661
00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:45.539
Yeah.

662
00:31:46.500 --> 00:31:50.039
Not quite as nice as the purple ones, woman out at the beginning

663
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:54.839
no. one is lovely, but this is pretty good. and the boots are

664
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:55.619
fantastic.

665
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:57.599
Why is she so distressed?

666
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:01.200
Because she doesn't recognise who they are because they're not

667
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:02.519
primitives and they're not smart.

668
00:32:02.579 --> 00:32:04.140
They're something different.

669
00:32:04.259 --> 00:32:05.519
She's an idiot.

670
00:32:05.579 --> 00:32:06.960
I don't know who can say.

671
00:32:07.019 --> 00:32:08.220
She's just doing that.

672
00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:11.940
There's a question about... the nature of them stealing Spock's

673
00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:14.400
brain because maybe you can give me an answer because I couldn't

674
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:15.660
get it within the episode. itself.

675
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.180
Why did they need Spark's brain?

676
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:25.140
Uh, they just needed a clever brain to run the controller thing.

677
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:26.099
I don't know.

678
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:27.299
Why is that right?

679
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:29.579
Surely there was someone nearer.

680
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.740
He's the smartest person on the ship.

681
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:33.299
Well, I don't know.

682
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:34.200
Yeah, who knows?

683
00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:36.960
Is it just because it's an episode of Star Trek?

684
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:38.279
Yeah, essentially.

685
00:32:38.339 --> 00:32:39.000
I think so.

686
00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:42.299
They were just waiting for a ship to go through the Sigma Draconis

687
00:32:42.299 --> 00:32:45.059
system and they took the smartest person on board.

688
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.279
No one else goes there because it's a shithole.

689
00:32:47.339 --> 00:32:51.299
I don't know, sing us to...

690
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.299
No, to get my engine going, you know?

691
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:56.039
It's a real star, right?

692
00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:58.799
It's one of the stars in the constellation of Draco.

693
00:32:58.859 --> 00:33:00.720
That's what it so it's actually a real thing.

694
00:33:00.779 --> 00:33:04.440
They look like Klingons, don't they, those 2 that are flanking her

695
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:04.859
I think.

696
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:05.759
And is it?

697
00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:07.980
Well, because they've got those Russian hats to make them look

698
00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:10.559
taller because we can't cast any muscle men.

699
00:33:10.619 --> 00:33:14.700
There's one cute morgue who comes in later on.

700
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:22.740
But like they just cast fat guys. because they don't have much...

701
00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:24.960
Amazing zoom on Leonard V.

702
00:33:25.019 --> 00:33:25.799
Second one.

703
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:28.079
Do you know what?

704
00:33:28.140 --> 00:33:29.640
They just keep bloody lying down, didn't they?

705
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.220
Yeah, it's relaxing.

706
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:35.759
A woman in kinky boots, feeding a man.

707
00:33:35.819 --> 00:33:36.779
I know.

708
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:38.519
And is he the cute one?

709
00:33:38.579 --> 00:33:38.880
Not really.

710
00:33:38.940 --> 00:33:40.319
He's got really bad hair as well.

711
00:33:40.380 --> 00:33:42.119
I think he's been into Scotty's brill cream.

712
00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:43.380
Yeah, this one maybe.

713
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:44.579
What are the women then?

714
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:46.380
The women are in child chair.

715
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:46.980
Are they?

716
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:49.619
No, they live downstairs.

717
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:53.160
So they're like the Morlocks or whatever and they live in space

718
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:59.579
corridors and then the men live upstairs in...

719
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:03.779
Yeah, Styrofoam rocks.

720
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:11.460
And, and, um, they, what, capture some of them and they bone and

721
00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:15.239
uh, and that's it, really, I guess.

722
00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:16.380
You know what service?

723
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:19.500
I have seen some pre-shitty B movies.

724
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.679
I've got a movie on my show called a nymphoid barbarian and

725
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:23.400
dinosaur Hell.

726
00:34:23.460 --> 00:34:27.059
It ain't nowhere near as terrible as this, I'm telling you, right?

727
00:34:28.380 --> 00:34:31.980
I mean, I mean, to just go for a script editor?

728
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:35.880
Well, I mean, the problem is that nothing much is happening.

729
00:34:35.940 --> 00:34:40.440
I mean, the women are wearing fabulous boots and that's just about

730
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:44.820
enough to rescue the episode, but everyone is so dumb and slow on

731
00:34:44.820 --> 00:34:47.219
the uptake that, you know.

732
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:49.380
Are those bombs around their stomachs?

733
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:53.039
No, they're pain inflicting devices.

734
00:34:53.099 --> 00:34:55.139
Now we're in Batman territory now.

735
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:57.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah. don't I don't know what they're called.

736
00:34:57.480 --> 00:34:59.519
Oh, look at that fabulous lamp behind them.

737
00:34:59.579 --> 00:35:01.380
Yeah, yeah, I love that.

738
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:03.719
It's awesome It's very period.

739
00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:04.980
Yeah.

740
00:35:04.980 --> 00:35:08.039
What was I saying about fetching scraps?

741
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:13.920
No, yeah, but there is that fabulous 60s design to this and it is

742
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:19.199
a super cheap set, you know, and it's just kind of interestingly

743
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.440
lit and it's just sort of furniture from the warehouse or

744
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:22.860
whatever.

745
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:26.280
Like it's, you know, nothing hugely impressive.

746
00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:28.079
But, you know, I don't know.

747
00:35:28.139 --> 00:35:30.780
There's just something about the design of the original series

748
00:35:30.780 --> 00:35:31.380
though, isn't it?

749
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.420
That is massively a It's kind of simple.

750
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:37.500
It's always a lot of geometric designs, isn't it, you know, and

751
00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:41.219
shapes, but it's, yeah, it's very easy on the eye.

752
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:43.500
In the way that like the next generation could just look

753
00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:45.119
incredibly bland in comparison.

754
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:49.079
Yeah, well, I mean, it's the same with 60s Bond films and stuff

755
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:49.440
like that.

756
00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:54.420
I mean, they have Sir Ken Adam doing the design and they're always

757
00:35:54.420 --> 00:35:55.380
absolutely stunning.

758
00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:59.699
But, you know, it's one of the reasons... why people often jump

759
00:35:59.699 --> 00:36:02.579
over to the Avengers and things like that is, you know, because

760
00:36:02.579 --> 00:36:05.880
they're kind of samey stories, but the design work and the

761
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:06.900
fashions and everything, you know.

762
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.719
You want to be part of that world, don't you?

763
00:36:09.780 --> 00:36:10.199
Yeah.

764
00:36:10.260 --> 00:36:16.380
Well, I just think about when Dax puts on the miniskirt in trials

765
00:36:16.380 --> 00:36:21.599
and tribulations and she's talking about classic, you know, 23rd

766
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.219
century design or whatever.

767
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:26.340
It's it's gorgeous.

768
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:31.860
You know, even the extras and stuff on the enterprise, there were

769
00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:36.539
some fabulously stylish looking women and the hair here is just

770
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.820
you know, I remember watching trials and tribulations, right?

771
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:43.440
And when they're all in those beautiful original series costumes

772
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.980
and on the Enterprise, and then they'd ship back to DS9 at the end

773
00:36:46.980 --> 00:36:52.440
and I was like, oh, I've never realised now fucking plain DS9 is

774
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:57.539
just... until spending, you know, a whole episode in colourful TOS

775
00:36:57.539 --> 00:36:57.900
land.

776
00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:58.980
Yeah, yeah.

777
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:02.699
Well, I mean, they've got colour and they're definitely going to

778
00:37:02.699 --> 00:37:03.420
go for it.

779
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:05.760
You know, like most...

780
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:06.659
Brain and brain.

781
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:08.159
This is the best life.

782
00:37:08.219 --> 00:37:09.119
Watch his brain.

783
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:10.739
I mean, that's good.

784
00:37:14.940 --> 00:37:19.260
And look at Paul DeForest Kelly, William Shatner and James Doan.

785
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:21.239
They're trying to give this some gravity, aren't they?

786
00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:22.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

787
00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:23.820
Look at look at James Bohune right now.

788
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.699
He's got like a look of shock on his face.

789
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:29.820
Jesus Christ.

790
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:34.260
I mean, do you think they behind the scenes, yeah, where the

791
00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:36.360
camera was off there, we're like, oh, what is this we're doing?

792
00:37:36.420 --> 00:37:37.559
What is what?

793
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:39.179
Well, that's like, look at this.

794
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:40.019
Look at this.

795
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:41.820
He's kneeling in front of her.

796
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.559
He's so not into it.

797
00:37:43.619 --> 00:37:46.019
He's like, you can see Shatner.

798
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:47.519
You know, Shatner.

799
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:50.639
We talked about this last time.

800
00:37:50.699 --> 00:37:54.059
Chatner has a kind of wry smile a lot of the time, like he's

801
00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:58.440
slightly amused by what's going on, and I think it's charming as

802
00:37:58.440 --> 00:37:58.980
hell.

803
00:37:59.099 --> 00:38:01.860
And there's just none of that here.

804
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:04.860
He's just being a massive dickhead at this point.

805
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:09.780
There is a difference between what Shatner was doing in the

806
00:38:09.780 --> 00:38:11.760
Corbinite movie and what he's doing in this episode.

807
00:38:11.820 --> 00:38:12.960
Like, yeah, yeah.

808
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:16.380
In Cormart movie, they knew they were on to a success.

809
00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:16.679
Yeah.

810
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:21.780
Here, now, that success has faded and they know that the NBC are

811
00:38:21.780 --> 00:38:22.500
trying to cancel them.

812
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:26.219
And I think maybe maybe he's just not trying as hard.

813
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.579
Yeah, he's certainly not enjoying himself.

814
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:31.079
Like, that was fucking miserable.

815
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:35.880
That, you know, they turn the pain things on and he just starts

816
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.760
rolling, like literally rolling over and over on the studio

817
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:39.539
floor.

818
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:40.139
It's just stupid.

819
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:43.800
But the thing is, you know, were you worried about these guys on

820
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:46.380
the surface, whether they were cold because there was a shot of

821
00:38:46.380 --> 00:38:47.880
them just to remind you that they're not?

822
00:38:50.940 --> 00:38:53.280
irrelevant later on.

823
00:38:53.340 --> 00:38:55.380
Oh, they know, I don't think so.

824
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:56.099
Do they come in?

825
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:58.739
I can't know. don't know. they do something useful?

826
00:39:00.059 --> 00:39:01.739
Does anyone?

827
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:03.960
I really want that lamp you know.

828
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:08.880
I mean, I mean, it's a completely sparse set and a lamp.

829
00:39:08.940 --> 00:39:10.440
The lamp, yeah.

830
00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:13.260
And there's 2 of them, or they've moved that one into the other

831
00:39:13.260 --> 00:39:14.280
corner. of the room.

832
00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:16.739
Something's a premature. exactly the same.

833
00:39:16.860 --> 00:39:17.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

834
00:39:17.699 --> 00:39:23.760
I actually have a secret fondness for this scene.

835
00:39:23.820 --> 00:39:29.699
Um, so they're being uh, they've been stripped of their

836
00:39:29.699 --> 00:39:34.920
communicators and um, whatever their phases. and they're being

837
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:39.840
guarded by a morgue, and they have the pain plates on, and they

838
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:43.320
need to get their communicators so they can speak to Spock.

839
00:39:43.380 --> 00:39:48.599
And, um, they talk about using science.

840
00:39:48.659 --> 00:39:50.760
Oh, and then they punch him.

841
00:39:50.820 --> 00:39:52.559
Then they just punch him in the face.

842
00:39:52.619 --> 00:39:55.500
Yeah, no, this was the one scene where I felt like they were

843
00:39:55.500 --> 00:39:56.460
actually having some fun.

844
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:57.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

845
00:39:58.019 --> 00:40:01.800
And and you know that sort of TOS chemistry we were talking

846
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:01.980
about.

847
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:04.739
This is the one moment where it kind of leaks in a little bit.

848
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:06.659
Yeah, yeah.

849
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.179
I think it's, I think it's super, you know, how we can gonna

850
00:40:09.179 --> 00:40:12.480
correct the situation. science might provide an answer.

851
00:40:12.539 --> 00:40:15.599
You've got...

852
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.380
If he's smiling, like he's really having fun, like...

853
00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:21.420
Oh my god, look at the guy picking up Scotty.

854
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:22.739
Just through him.

855
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:24.300
That's it.

856
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:27.780
Well, they're supposed to be muscle man and there's Nimoy looking

857
00:40:27.780 --> 00:40:28.380
bored.

858
00:40:29.940 --> 00:40:33.059
And this is a pop... literally left over the table.

859
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:33.719
Did you see?

860
00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:37.800
That kicks the guy in the chest.

861
00:40:38.460 --> 00:40:39.539
And then in the nuts.

862
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.340
Finally, we're having some funny stuff.

863
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:45.840
Science will triumph.

864
00:40:45.900 --> 00:40:47.579
Okay, well, that's over now, the rest of it.

865
00:40:47.579 --> 00:40:50.579
We're just going to go back to something really boring.

866
00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:54.599
Oh, yeah.

867
00:40:54.659 --> 00:40:55.860
Oh, look at me, Moiler.

868
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:56.340
Oh.

869
00:40:56.760 --> 00:41:00.900
I mean, at least he doesn't have to show any interest in this.

870
00:41:00.900 --> 00:41:02.579
Well, he really isn't.

871
00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:05.820
Do you know what they could have done?

872
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:07.800
They could, well, if they hadn't, you know, they could have like

873
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:09.900
taken Spot's brain back and he could have just been the

874
00:41:09.900 --> 00:41:11.639
disembodied voice for the rest of the season.

875
00:41:11.699 --> 00:41:16.500
Yeah, they could have just like used his body as a planter or

876
00:41:16.500 --> 00:41:16.980
something like that.

877
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:19.260
Doesn't he say something along the lines of, oh, hearing your

878
00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:20.400
voice, Captain Kirk?

879
00:41:20.460 --> 00:41:23.519
It induces pleasure in my brain or something like that.

880
00:41:23.579 --> 00:41:24.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

881
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:27.780
It's sort of trying to be Spock dialogue.

882
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:32.820
You know, like a motionless Spock dialogue, but it's...

883
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:33.300
Did you hear that?

884
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:35.760
It just went on about the...

885
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:37.079
Major oblongata.

886
00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:37.800
It's part of the brain.

887
00:41:37.860 --> 00:41:38.820
Yeah, yeah.

888
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.219
You said that beautifully, you know.

889
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:45.480
McCoy has terrible difficulty with the word ganglia later, which

890
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:47.880
is super embarrassing for the ship's doctor.

891
00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:51.000
You know, we were talking about you can't pronounce it.

892
00:41:51.059 --> 00:41:53.400
That whole that whole sequence for it.

893
00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:55.619
He suddenly forgets how to do it.

894
00:41:55.739 --> 00:41:56.460
Jesus Christ.

895
00:41:56.579 --> 00:41:57.719
What's the point of that?

896
00:41:57.780 --> 00:41:59.760
Again, it's to eat up running time.

897
00:41:59.820 --> 00:42:02.340
Do you think he's not going to be able to do it?

898
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.199
And it's literally like, you know, like, it's so obvious as well

899
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.780
you know, like, the knowledge is gone.

900
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:10.619
Oh, well.

901
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.500
We'll add one more stab of tension to this thing.

902
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:14.820
Yeah, yeah.

903
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:16.320
It's just tedious.

904
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:22.260
I did like, um, Spock saying that, uh, he would trust, uh, you

905
00:42:22.260 --> 00:42:27.239
know, um, McCoy to Popazito or something and, or set a bone, but

906
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:32.820
not to restore a brain, like, D is there going, I'm right here, you

907
00:42:32.820 --> 00:42:37.619
know, like, it's, uh, worse is when they, he reconnects his speech

908
00:42:37.619 --> 00:42:39.900
centres and then Spock's going, right, I'm going to talk you

909
00:42:39.900 --> 00:42:40.260
through it now.

910
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:45.960
It's so bad. vocal chords.

911
00:42:46.019 --> 00:42:50.639
That is the producer was like, oh, this would be really fun.

912
00:42:50.699 --> 00:42:54.539
What if he reconnected his vocal cords and he and he talked and

913
00:42:54.539 --> 00:42:56.280
that wasn't even in the original scripts.

914
00:42:56.340 --> 00:42:58.380
So they just because they were just making this happen.

915
00:42:58.380 --> 00:42:59.099
They went along.

916
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:00.719
It's so bad.

917
00:43:01.019 --> 00:43:04.019
Well, it's just kind of nothing is happening.

918
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.239
I mean, they are just kind of, oh here we go.

919
00:43:06.300 --> 00:43:08.639
I've got a question about spot's clothes.

920
00:43:08.699 --> 00:43:10.320
Why have they taken him out of his uniform?

921
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:13.800
Uh, I don't know.

922
00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:15.360
He seems to be tucked as well.

923
00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:17.880
Look, there's no sign of a, like, not that I'm looking

924
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:24.059
particularly, but he seems to be very, very heavily tucked in

925
00:43:24.059 --> 00:43:24.480
there.

926
00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:29.940
Now everyone at home is going to be looking.

927
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.699
He's the only one you can see because the others are wearing black

928
00:43:32.699 --> 00:43:33.960
trousers, you see.

929
00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:35.460
I have no idea.

930
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:39.420
We've got the pain giving devices attached to us.

931
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:44.280
I mean, Honestly, there's just, oh, it's just terrible.

932
00:43:45.420 --> 00:43:48.780
Oh, now that's just a nice bit of design, isn't it?

933
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:51.719
The device that's holding a spot. brain.

934
00:43:51.780 --> 00:43:52.440
Yeah.

935
00:43:52.500 --> 00:43:54.360
No, it's very period.

936
00:43:54.420 --> 00:43:58.739
It's, uh, I love that there's some sort of flashing uh, lights and

937
00:43:58.739 --> 00:44:02.519
stuff like that, which I think look really fabulously 60s a bit

938
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:04.500
later, and I kind of miss that.

939
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.079
Spock's finally making some sense here.

940
00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:09.719
He literally just said, this isn't making much sense.

941
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.800
You got to be careful with lines like that, you know.

942
00:44:13.860 --> 00:44:15.059
Yeah, yeah.

943
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:16.380
We must act immediately.

944
00:44:18.780 --> 00:44:22.920
So now we're just wandering a load of corridors, trying to find a

945
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:23.579
spot's brain.

946
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:26.760
It's, yeah, it's super undramatic, isn't it?

947
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:29.099
Oh, there's a nice design feature there.

948
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:31.139
So how could this be done better?

949
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:32.400
Could it be done better?

950
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:37.380
Um, I think there needs to be more incident.

951
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.659
It's so linear. like nothing happens.

952
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.840
They go down to the planet, they get attacked, they get captured

953
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:46.739
they wander around some corridors, they find Spock's brain.

954
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:48.900
Is William Shatner doing right now?

955
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.420
Yeah, when he's trying to pretend to being pain.

956
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:53.460
He's losing his shit.

957
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:58.079
This is him kind of going, NBC had better cancel this because I'm

958
00:44:58.079 --> 00:44:58.860
done with this shit.

959
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.559
He really just isn't bothering.

960
00:45:02.579 --> 00:45:06.239
If we make this as bad as we possibly can.

961
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:08.099
They may put us out of our misery.

962
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:11.639
That's right I mean, you're not telling me that Captain Kirk is

963
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:13.440
averse to a bit of pain, all right?

964
00:45:13.500 --> 00:45:18.780
Yeah, no, but and so now, like, what's he doing?

965
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:20.219
Like, it all just seems...

966
00:45:20.219 --> 00:45:24.480
Like, there's just a few buttons in there and like, is there a

967
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:26.820
take her bracelet off button?

968
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:27.719
How is this even working?

969
00:45:27.780 --> 00:45:30.059
Yeah, he's read the script.

970
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:32.039
So yeah, he's remote controlling him.

971
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:34.440
Yeah, okay.

972
00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:38.099
Oh, now I can stop doing my pain acting.

973
00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:49.079
So, and so now, now there's this whole sequence where she has the

974
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:53.880
helmet forced on her head. and what the knowledge poured into her

975
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:55.380
brain because...

976
00:45:56.760 --> 00:46:00.000
So so they're all stupid.

977
00:46:00.059 --> 00:46:06.599
Like it, because the society has degenerated and the, the, all the

978
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:11.400
technical knowledge is in this sort of green basketball on the

979
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:12.659
desk or whatever.

980
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:19.320
And then there's like a hair salon hairdryer thing that goes down

981
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:20.280
over your hair.

982
00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:22.019
I think that's rather fabulous, you know?

983
00:46:22.019 --> 00:46:23.280
Oh, I do too.

984
00:46:23.340 --> 00:46:24.300
I do too.

985
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:25.079
I think it looks gray.

986
00:46:25.139 --> 00:46:25.619
Yeah.

987
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:26.159
Yeah.

988
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:33.960
Um, And maybe there's, you know, like the whole idea is kind of

989
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:42.539
preposterous, but I do like the idea that Spock is experiencing

990
00:46:42.539 --> 00:46:48.420
this as if the kind of this complex was his body.

991
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:52.260
And so just the normal things that his brain would be controlling

992
00:46:52.260 --> 00:46:56.639
where he says it feels to me like I'm breathing and that my heart

993
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:59.280
is, you know, pumping blood and stuff like that.

994
00:46:59.340 --> 00:47:04.139
Like, I kind of like that, but, you know, clean pickings.

995
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.980
I think the tension in this is supposed to come from the fact that

996
00:47:07.980 --> 00:47:10.980
everybody's favourite character is Spock.

997
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.260
Yeah, he's not in it.

998
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.019
He's in a situation of biological peril.

999
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.579
Yeah, you know, and we're supposed to be super invested in that

1000
00:47:20.579 --> 00:47:22.800
despite how utterly preposterous it is.

1001
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:23.460
Yeah.

1002
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:26.099
Yeah, it is, it's really something.

1003
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:27.480
Yeah, that looks great, doesn't it?

1004
00:47:27.539 --> 00:47:31.860
That the helmet. that's quite a nice shot.

1005
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:36.420
Okay, I want to ask you a question about the franchise at large

1006
00:47:36.420 --> 00:47:36.840
yeah.

1007
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.860
Do you think there are there are stupider episodes than this?

1008
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.739
I can only think of a couple. like threshold.

1009
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:45.900
Freshold is definitely stupider than this.

1010
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:47.820
I thought, what's the one?

1011
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:48.780
Is it...

1012
00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:53.579
There's the one where they're all melting, all their faces are

1013
00:47:53.579 --> 00:47:57.119
melting on Voyager because they're really from the demon.

1014
00:47:57.900 --> 00:48:00.480
Jesus Christ, that shit. terrible.

1015
00:48:00.539 --> 00:48:01.920
I'm sorry.

1016
00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:05.280
I'm going to bring up that Gates McFadden directed episode from

1017
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:05.940
TNG.

1018
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:07.199
That's awesome.

1019
00:48:07.260 --> 00:48:09.239
That's really great.

1020
00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:13.980
Counsellor always turned into an amphibian and then as it off with

1021
00:48:13.980 --> 00:48:17.099
and then wharf breaks into her quarters and has it off with, I

1022
00:48:17.099 --> 00:48:19.199
mean, it's...

1023
00:48:19.260 --> 00:48:19.679
Yep.

1024
00:48:19.739 --> 00:48:20.400
No, I really like it.

1025
00:48:20.460 --> 00:48:24.960
But it is one of the ones that people don't like very much.

1026
00:48:25.019 --> 00:48:27.659
No, the home is pretty ridiculous, isn't it?

1027
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:28.500
Alamarine.

1028
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:29.460
Can't do four.

1029
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:30.480
Alamarine.

1030
00:48:30.539 --> 00:48:34.739
Well, it's a little bit kind of pointless, you know, because we

1031
00:48:34.739 --> 00:48:38.460
think there's steaks, but there aren't, and we discover that at

1032
00:48:38.460 --> 00:48:40.679
the end and it's kind of like, well, why did you make us care

1033
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:41.099
about that?

1034
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:42.360
That's tedious.

1035
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:43.679
What about Kurtzman Trek?

1036
00:48:43.739 --> 00:48:46.199
Are there any super absurd episodes of that?

1037
00:48:46.260 --> 00:48:50.639
Um, No, I think it's all, it's all a bit.

1038
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:52.860
I don't think it's po-face.

1039
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:55.920
Like, I do think it is funny and it does doesn't always take

1040
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:57.000
itself seriously.

1041
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.059
But there's nothing like...

1042
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:01.980
I mean, they don't really, because I want it to be good.

1043
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:05.579
So they don't want to do anything that's too ridiculous.

1044
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:09.900
But, you know, like, I guess the silliest thing is in that

1045
00:49:09.900 --> 00:49:14.639
incredibly good episode in series one, the time one.

1046
00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:19.199
Uh, you know, the time loop one, which is being caused by Harry

1047
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:22.500
Maud. series one or like the alternative universe stuff, because

1048
00:49:22.500 --> 00:49:25.199
that was where they really got so happy, silly and have fun, you

1049
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:25.380
know?

1050
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:29.880
It's really great But, you know, there's a serious purpose to the

1051
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:33.119
to the alternative universe thing, I think.

1052
00:49:33.179 --> 00:49:35.880
It was when Waterface...

1053
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:39.420
Cousin Michelle, cousin Michelle becomes evil.

1054
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:41.940
I started doing all this amazing cry moves.

1055
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.179
I was like, no, I mean, that is camp.

1056
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:45.960
That's fantastic.

1057
00:49:46.019 --> 00:49:49.440
You've got a, what, 57-year-old woman kicking people in the head?

1058
00:49:49.500 --> 00:49:51.659
Like it's terrific.

1059
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:52.679
Absolutely.

1060
00:49:52.739 --> 00:49:57.599
But this is kind of them. you know, he's Shatner now trying to

1061
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.059
wring a little bit of tension out of this.

1062
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.940
And he has stopped menacing her.

1063
00:50:02.940 --> 00:50:08.579
And it's icky that he menaces her when she has the mind of a

1064
00:50:08.579 --> 00:50:09.059
child.

1065
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:13.500
But now that she's put the teacher on and is talking like a normal

1066
00:50:13.500 --> 00:50:14.460
person.

1067
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:18.300
Um, you know, he's no longer kind of pushing her around quite so

1068
00:50:18.300 --> 00:50:18.480
much.

1069
00:50:18.539 --> 00:50:20.639
Did you see Scotty then?

1070
00:50:20.699 --> 00:50:22.559
Just sort of...

1071
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:23.280
What was that all about?

1072
00:50:23.340 --> 00:50:24.179
I don't know.

1073
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:27.539
Oh, that was in one episode.

1074
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:31.500
Oh, okay. times in one episode, can they fall over or be in pain

1075
00:50:31.500 --> 00:50:32.820
or roll about the set?

1076
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.679
Again, because everyone on in this episode is stupid.

1077
00:50:37.739 --> 00:50:42.300
All that Scotty has to do is kind of feign a bit of a feint and

1078
00:50:42.300 --> 00:50:46.679
distract her so that she can be conveniently disarmed.

1079
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:50.760
But look, Shannon is having no fun here at all.

1080
00:50:50.820 --> 00:50:52.320
This is unpleasant to watch.

1081
00:50:52.380 --> 00:50:55.920
It's not, you know, when Shatner's chewing the scenery and stuff

1082
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:58.320
like that, that's actually quite, quite fun.

1083
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:00.360
Mad eyes.

1084
00:51:00.420 --> 00:51:03.960
She's like, she's giving him like such a stare, isn't she?

1085
00:51:04.019 --> 00:51:05.340
Yeah, she's pretty great.

1086
00:51:07.139 --> 00:51:10.079
Like, I think for a guest actress.

1087
00:51:10.139 --> 00:51:13.739
This is like grand, this is because like we can just come in.

1088
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:17.039
I can just come in and beat camp as hell for 40 minutes.

1089
00:51:17.099 --> 00:51:18.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1090
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:21.179
Oh, dear.

1091
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:22.019
All right.

1092
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:23.039
Oh my god.

1093
00:51:23.099 --> 00:51:26.880
And so what, he's going to put the hairdryer on and suddenly

1094
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:28.260
become a genius surgeon.

1095
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.320
Do you know what this would have worked as?

1096
00:51:31.380 --> 00:51:36.420
This might have worked as a animated series episode, a condensed

1097
00:51:36.420 --> 00:51:36.900
episode.

1098
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:39.900
Yeah, if it had been half an hour long, I think it would have been

1099
00:51:39.900 --> 00:51:45.000
tolerable, actually. you know, maybe not tolerable, but, well, I

1100
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.519
mean, the idea is inherently stupid, right?

1101
00:51:47.579 --> 00:51:50.699
And you've got people saying Spock's brain, and there is something

1102
00:51:50.699 --> 00:51:55.199
there is something kind of a bit amazing about them deciding to

1103
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:56.460
play it completely straight.

1104
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:02.039
I mean, this does feel like it's geared at children.

1105
00:52:02.099 --> 00:52:05.519
Yeah, and I don't think the original series often does, like, this

1106
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:06.900
it does just feel very simplistic.

1107
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:12.119
Yeah, it's super simplistic and it's super B movie, like and it's

1108
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:13.800
sort of weird and grotesque.

1109
00:52:13.860 --> 00:52:19.679
Um, But I don't think that's the problem, is it?

1110
00:52:19.739 --> 00:52:22.380
Like, it's the problem that they've stolen Spock's brain?

1111
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:26.579
What about when they steal Neelix's lungs in, uh, yeah, see, that

1112
00:52:26.579 --> 00:52:26.820
works.

1113
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:28.199
And that works, you know.

1114
00:52:28.260 --> 00:52:31.920
And he has that wonderful moment where wonderful.

1115
00:52:31.980 --> 00:52:36.599
It's really scary where he can't breathe and he has a panic attack

1116
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.360
and he's stuck in the buyer bed and he's all claustrophobic.

1117
00:52:39.420 --> 00:52:41.280
Well, there's none of that going on here, is there?

1118
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:42.420
No, no, no.

1119
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:44.880
There's no acting from Shatna here at this point.

1120
00:52:44.940 --> 00:52:45.780
He's just standing there.

1121
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:51.360
Deforest Kelly has just had all the medical knowledge of the

1122
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.159
universe called into his brain.

1123
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:58.559
I love when Scotty goes, oh, I might use that in a minute, you

1124
00:52:58.559 --> 00:52:58.800
know.

1125
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:02.699
Technical the technical expertise.

1126
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:08.340
I actually like this line, the one where he says, of course, even

1127
00:53:08.340 --> 00:53:09.719
a child could do it.

1128
00:53:09.780 --> 00:53:12.300
I think that's that's really cool.

1129
00:53:12.420 --> 00:53:16.500
Like that properly sells how much knowledge he has.

1130
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:18.420
I'm absolutely there for that line.

1131
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:22.860
Oh, look, I've...

1132
00:53:22.860 --> 00:53:24.719
Oh, Jesus Christ.

1133
00:53:24.780 --> 00:53:27.360
But look, of course, we're not actually going to see it.

1134
00:53:27.420 --> 00:53:29.880
So his head is behind a screen.

1135
00:53:29.940 --> 00:53:34.800
I would just see DeForest Kelly kind of, you know, doing...

1136
00:53:34.860 --> 00:53:37.559
Doing things like apparently like a foot above his head.

1137
00:53:37.619 --> 00:53:44.099
Like, do his do his arms really reach all the way down there?

1138
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:47.159
Maybe his just a very long scalpel or something.

1139
00:53:47.219 --> 00:53:48.780
I don't quite know what's going on.

1140
00:53:48.900 --> 00:53:52.380
So then you get to the point at the end where it's like, okay, so

1141
00:53:52.380 --> 00:53:54.960
his brain is reconnected and he's all fine.

1142
00:53:55.019 --> 00:53:56.280
And so what was the point of this?

1143
00:53:56.460 --> 00:53:58.860
Did we learn a valuable lesson?

1144
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:01.920
Yeah, we did.

1145
00:54:01.980 --> 00:54:03.900
We learned how not to make Star Trek.

1146
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:09.239
Well, is this like, and we've deactivated Landrew, and now you can

1147
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:13.679
all just kind of live your lives normally or whatever, like what's

1148
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:14.039
happening.

1149
00:54:14.099 --> 00:54:17.579
Like, you won't have the controller, so you'll have to go up top

1150
00:54:17.579 --> 00:54:21.599
and fuck the morgues and have babies or whatever.

1151
00:54:21.659 --> 00:54:22.739
Like, I don't...

1152
00:54:22.739 --> 00:54:26.519
Like, a lot of T West does have, like, the director camera.

1153
00:54:26.579 --> 00:54:29.340
This is the moral of the episode, doesn't it?

1154
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:31.800
Whereas there's none of that, because what could we possibly learn

1155
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:32.219
from this?

1156
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:35.099
But is isn't that in?

1157
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:39.179
Like we'll stay behind and help you, but you can't live in the

1158
00:54:39.179 --> 00:54:43.380
remains of this technology that's infantilising you or something?

1159
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.000
But it's all very undercoated.

1160
00:54:45.059 --> 00:54:47.039
How is that relevant to anything inside?

1161
00:54:47.219 --> 00:54:48.780
what are we learning as an audience?

1162
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:51.659
Well, put your phone down. know, I don't know.

1163
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:53.940
Ooh, okay, there you go.

1164
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:54.900
That's a good reading.

1165
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:57.179
Right.

1166
00:54:57.239 --> 00:54:58.079
Thanks, box, brain.

1167
00:54:58.139 --> 00:54:59.159
I'm going put it in the drawer.

1168
00:54:59.219 --> 00:55:00.360
Yeah, that's right.

1169
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:03.000
Oh dear.

1170
00:55:03.059 --> 00:55:06.300
Do you know what's, do you know what's the worst thing about

1171
00:55:06.300 --> 00:55:07.079
Spot's brain?

1172
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:09.840
Oh, I don't think it's the worst episode of the third.

1173
00:55:09.900 --> 00:55:10.380
So season?

1174
00:55:10.739 --> 00:55:14.820
Okay, that's the one with the demonic kids with the magical

1175
00:55:14.820 --> 00:55:15.840
bewitched powers.

1176
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:20.940
And the dreadful light entertainment actor who appears as a

1177
00:55:20.940 --> 00:55:24.239
shimmering green ghost going, kill them all.

1178
00:55:24.300 --> 00:55:26.280
It's really terrible.

1179
00:55:26.340 --> 00:55:30.059
Oh my god, they put so much sweat on his face, haven't they?

1180
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:31.260
Like, this is tense stuff now.

1181
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:34.619
No, these is poor old Daniels.

1182
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:36.360
What is his name, Mark Daniels?

1183
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:40.199
Mark Daniels. wring some tension out of these, where it's kind of

1184
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:42.300
like, do you think Spock will survive?

1185
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:46.860
Who knows, you know, like maybe he's not going to make it.

1186
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:49.260
Except that obviously he is.

1187
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:52.559
I mean, that literally would be the nail in the coffin of Star

1188
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:52.980
Trek.

1189
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:54.599
If they remove Spock from the show.

1190
00:55:54.659 --> 00:55:55.559
Yeah.

1191
00:55:55.619 --> 00:55:58.500
Well, you know, he wasn't going to come back for phase two.

1192
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:00.420
And they had another...

1193
00:56:00.420 --> 00:56:01.380
What was phase two?

1194
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:08.880
So it was an attempt to make a new Star Trek series in the early

1195
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:09.960
70s, I think.

1196
00:56:10.019 --> 00:56:12.539
And then eventually they just turned it into the movie.

1197
00:56:12.659 --> 00:56:14.820
Wasn't it greenlit?

1198
00:56:14.820 --> 00:56:17.400
and they even built sets and things. and then it was, the plug was

1199
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:18.179
pulled at the...

1200
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:19.679
There was some casting happening.

1201
00:56:19.739 --> 00:56:20.820
There were some scripts.

1202
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:26.340
The child from Star Trek, The Next Generation Series 2 is a phase

1203
00:56:26.340 --> 00:56:28.019
2 script that they've repurposed.

1204
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:29.400
Well of course it was.

1205
00:56:29.460 --> 00:56:35.280
I mean, I mean, the child from season 2 of TNG is Gene Robinbury

1206
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:36.300
fruit and fruit, isn't it?

1207
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:37.800
It's so crummy.

1208
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.619
A female crew member being violated horribly.

1209
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:42.780
Yeah, yeah, by Tinker Bell.

1210
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:46.320
So bad.

1211
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:48.000
Oh, see this is quite cute now.

1212
00:56:48.059 --> 00:56:49.679
This is quite cute where Spock.

1213
00:56:49.980 --> 00:56:52.980
Yeah, it's ridiculous. like the whole.

1214
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:54.239
No, no, that's fine though.

1215
00:56:54.420 --> 00:56:58.619
But look, and Shatner's kind of got his old glint in his eye back

1216
00:56:58.619 --> 00:56:59.099
as well.

1217
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:02.699
I think it's having Nemoy around.

1218
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:03.900
Do you think he should deliver?

1219
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:05.219
to have fun.

1220
00:57:05.340 --> 00:57:09.599
Like, well, this is a bit more fun and a bit less silly, and it's

1221
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:15.300
the 3 main characters doing interplay, and they're all very good

1222
00:57:15.300 --> 00:57:16.860
together.

1223
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:19.559
Oh, and then you've got, you know, 3rd wheel.

1224
00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:21.960
Scoffing as well, yeah.

1225
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:23.219
But do you know what?

1226
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:24.239
As the show goes on.

1227
00:57:24.300 --> 00:57:28.260
He does get a more prominent role in a lot of episodes, Scottie

1228
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:30.239
you know, he's trying to muscle in.

1229
00:57:30.300 --> 00:57:31.079
He never quite makes it.

1230
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:34.500
It's such a weird look.

1231
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:37.679
I like his look in the films much more when he's a big fat guy

1232
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:38.639
with the stars.

1233
00:57:38.699 --> 00:57:41.880
I know this ship, like the back of my hand, slam.

1234
00:57:41.940 --> 00:57:44.280
It's really fun. he's right.

1235
00:57:44.340 --> 00:57:46.440
Don't you know what the best part is, is when he picks up the

1236
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:48.960
mouse in Star Trek 4 goes. tilt into the mouth.

1237
00:57:49.019 --> 00:57:50.099
Hello, computer.

1238
00:57:50.579 --> 00:57:52.320
So funny.

1239
00:57:52.380 --> 00:57:53.699
We got to do the films one day.

1240
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:55.920
Oh yeah, no, no, we absolutely will.

1241
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:58.199
Oh, dear.

1242
00:57:58.260 --> 00:57:59.340
So that's it.

1243
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:00.719
That was the...

1244
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:01.440
Does this end?

1245
00:58:01.500 --> 00:58:02.039
Hang on.

1246
00:58:02.099 --> 00:58:04.440
Is this a number 2 track episode that ends on a terrible joke?

1247
00:58:04.500 --> 00:58:05.940
Ends on a crap joke.

1248
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:06.179
Yeah.

1249
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:08.820
Like a really, really shitty crap joke.

1250
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:10.739
It's miserable.

1251
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:13.440
And it's kind of mean-spirited and racist as well.

1252
00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:14.940
Look, not a hair out of place.

1253
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:18.420
Does it have that kind of...

1254
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:22.679
I always do at the end.

1255
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:25.380
Oh, look at me boy.

1256
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:28.559
He's like, oh, this terrible joke where he's like, oh, I should

1257
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:29.639
have, what is it?

1258
00:58:29.699 --> 00:58:32.099
I should have kept his speech centres off or something.

1259
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:34.320
Yeah, yuck. you know that's dreadful.

1260
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:37.920
And it's kind of like, aren't you supposed to be like science

1261
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:38.579
people?

1262
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:40.980
Why aren't you interested in this explanation?

1263
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:42.719
You know, like it's not.

1264
00:58:42.780 --> 00:58:44.400
It's not that boring.

1265
00:58:44.940 --> 00:58:46.980
Yeah, it's very strange.

1266
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:49.380
What the fuck has Scotty done in this scene?

1267
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:50.159
Why is he here?

1268
00:58:50.219 --> 00:58:51.599
No, I don't know.

1269
00:58:51.659 --> 00:58:53.340
No, what's he done in this episode?

1270
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:54.179
But what's that?

1271
00:58:54.179 --> 00:58:55.019
I think he's winding.

1272
00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:55.679
He's winging.

1273
00:58:55.739 --> 00:58:58.019
I come back for series 3 and then she just put me in more scenes

1274
00:58:58.019 --> 00:58:58.260
all right?

1275
00:58:58.320 --> 00:58:59.219
Yeah maybe that's it.

1276
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:01.500
I'm still worried about Chekhov.

1277
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:05.699
I hope that that glowing rock hasn't run out because I would hate

1278
00:59:05.699 --> 00:59:06.960
to think they were cold right now.

1279
00:59:07.500 --> 00:59:11.219
Yes, and we haven't cut back to...

1280
00:59:11.219 --> 00:59:13.019
It was completely irrelevant.

1281
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:14.880
No, they didn't come back in.

1282
00:59:14.940 --> 00:59:15.420
Here we are.

1283
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:17.760
We're all laughing at the crack cramp joke.

1284
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:20.099
So bad.

1285
00:59:20.219 --> 00:59:22.679
It's, uh, yeah.

1286
00:59:22.739 --> 00:59:24.360
Do you know what, right?

1287
00:59:24.420 --> 00:59:24.900
Do you know what?

1288
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:25.920
I'm going to be honest with you.

1289
00:59:25.980 --> 00:59:26.340
Yeah.

1290
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.739
Oh, look at that fabulous alien monster there.

1291
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:29.400
Did you see that?

1292
00:59:29.460 --> 00:59:32.820
That's from Spectra of the Gum. is a much superior episode.

1293
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:34.800
Oh, okay.

1294
00:59:34.860 --> 00:59:37.019
Is that a Tholian?

1295
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:39.480
No, no, no, no.

1296
00:59:39.539 --> 00:59:40.739
No, you don't really find out.

1297
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:45.360
It's a weird green disembodied head in a black void that sends

1298
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:48.840
them off to that Western town that they took the Mickey out of so

1299
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:50.699
spectacularly in lower decks.

1300
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:51.659
L X last week.

1301
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:53.699
Well, the other week.

1302
00:59:53.820 --> 00:59:55.739
I could be completely honest with you, right?

1303
00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:56.039
Yeah?

1304
00:59:56.099 --> 00:59:59.880
I started talking about other ridiculous episodes in the franchise

1305
00:59:59.880 --> 01:00:03.300
because David was so little to talk about in the latter half of

1306
01:00:03.300 --> 01:00:03.719
that episode.

1307
01:00:03.780 --> 01:00:06.119
I think that that's the problem.

1308
01:00:06.179 --> 01:00:10.320
I don't think that the premise had to be terrible.

1309
01:00:10.380 --> 01:00:14.519
Like, I think the premise is stupid, but it has been known for

1310
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:18.300
there to be other stupid premises in Star Trek episodes.

1311
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:21.239
And I don't think that that's the criminal thing.

1312
01:00:21.300 --> 01:00:25.739
The criminal thing is how linear and how boring it is and how it

1313
01:00:25.739 --> 01:00:30.300
just fails as a piece of drama, you know, there's no stakes.

1314
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:33.840
But you know something that the original series does so well is it

1315
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:35.340
can be so much fun.

1316
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:38.820
Like, go and watch something like the Trouble with Tribbles.

1317
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:42.300
I mean, it's just like a sugar rush of an episode.

1318
01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:43.559
It's so much fun.

1319
01:00:43.619 --> 01:00:45.300
There's no fun in this at all.

1320
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:46.079
No.

1321
01:00:46.139 --> 01:00:49.440
And, you know, even the ones where they go to, like, like, space

1322
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:54.420
Chicago or, like, just ancient Rome.

1323
01:00:54.539 --> 01:00:56.519
Oh, and that one.

1324
01:00:56.579 --> 01:00:58.920
Oh, that's not a thigh in that episode, I'm telling you.

1325
01:00:58.980 --> 01:01:02.219
It's, I mean, it's stupid, but they're funny.

1326
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:05.820
Remember when they go to Alice in Wonderland and the rabbit is

1327
01:01:05.820 --> 01:01:07.679
bouncing around in Southern California?

1328
01:01:07.739 --> 01:01:08.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1329
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:11.639
So it can do preposterous premises.

1330
01:01:11.699 --> 01:01:12.539
That's not the problem.

1331
01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:17.039
The problem is that that's just kind of terribly tedious.

1332
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:22.679
I think you just needed another run through the script to make it

1333
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:24.300
overtly comic.

1334
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:28.980
And a director that was just willing to go crazy with it instead

1335
01:01:28.980 --> 01:01:31.019
of just taking it also bloody seriously.

1336
01:01:31.139 --> 01:01:35.880
Yeah, although there is something pretty damn impressive

1337
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:41.099
particularly about the scene where they are talking about Spock's

1338
01:01:41.099 --> 01:01:45.659
brain being gone and everyone playing it so straight.

1339
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.679
So Nathan, I've got a question for you.

1340
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:57.539
Why are you insisting that we do a 2nd Star Trek, The Next

1341
01:01:57.539 --> 01:02:01.260
Generation episode, beyond your complete love for that show?

1342
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:05.280
Oh, that's basically the reason, to be honest, but we haven't

1343
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:08.219
actually done a Star Trek The Next Generation episode since our

1344
01:02:08.219 --> 01:02:09.539
very 1st episode.

1345
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:13.320
We've done 2 voyages and 2 Deep Space 9.

1346
01:02:13.380 --> 01:02:16.019
So I thought it would be time to do Star Trek the Next

1347
01:02:16.019 --> 01:02:16.500
Generation.

1348
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:18.599
We've even done 2 TOSes.

1349
01:02:18.659 --> 01:02:20.219
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

1350
01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:22.139
There's only 3 seasons of TOS.

1351
01:02:22.260 --> 01:02:24.360
And there are 7 seasons of the next generation.

1352
01:02:24.420 --> 01:02:30.420
So it's time that we got our Deanna on and um, yes, I hope we get

1353
01:02:30.420 --> 01:02:31.199
Deanna episode.

1354
01:02:31.260 --> 01:02:32.519
I love her so much.

1355
01:02:32.579 --> 01:02:34.739
Yeah, what about man of the people?

1356
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:35.699
Imagine that.

1357
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:36.360
All right.

1358
01:02:36.420 --> 01:02:38.099
I've got my finger on the button.

1359
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:41.099
If it's man, the people, I'll just be, go on.

1360
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.320
Oh, this isn't a bad one.

1361
01:02:43.380 --> 01:02:44.519
Go on.

1362
01:02:44.579 --> 01:02:47.280
So this is season four, episode 19.

1363
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:50.039
It's the nth degree.

1364
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:53.219
Yeah, I don't remember that at all, I'm afraid.

1365
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:55.500
Yeah, so that's Barclay one.

1366
01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:56.880
It's the 2nd Barclay one.

1367
01:02:56.940 --> 01:02:58.320
Nah, push it again.

1368
01:02:58.380 --> 01:02:58.860
Okay.

1369
01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:04.079
Oh, this is the 1st part of a 2 parter.

1370
01:03:04.139 --> 01:03:10.139
It's the season 6 finale descent.

1371
01:03:10.500 --> 01:03:13.980
Oh, it's truly dreadful.

1372
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:15.780
It's really quite dreadful, isn't it?

1373
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:20.579
Oh, I'm almost tempting because we haven't we haven't done a two

1374
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:20.579
parter.

1375
01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:22.679
Yeah, what do you reckon?

1376
01:03:22.739 --> 01:03:24.480
It's your call.

1377
01:03:24.539 --> 01:03:29.039
Well, we get Brent, you know, 2 Brents, in fact, that's

1378
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:29.519
something.

1379
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:31.199
Do you know what?

1380
01:03:31.260 --> 01:03:33.840
There's some fabulous discussion to be had around the complete

1381
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:37.860
emasculation of the Borg and how they just got it.

1382
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:41.039
Like, it's like the weak angel effects with every subsequent

1383
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:41.340
appearance.

1384
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:43.079
They just kept wrong. and worse.

1385
01:03:43.139 --> 01:03:43.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1386
01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:45.300
What do you reckon?

1387
01:03:45.420 --> 01:03:47.039
Double the brand.

1388
01:03:47.099 --> 01:03:50.219
And I think in episode two, Dr. Bev gets to fly the ship.

1389
01:03:51.179 --> 01:03:53.880
I remember that's entirely possible.

1390
01:03:53.940 --> 01:03:57.420
And Hugh Borg turns up before... turns up as well.

1391
01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:00.000
And oh, and data is like violent, isn't he?

1392
01:04:00.059 --> 01:04:03.000
And has he moments of where he's really quite scary.

1393
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:04.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1394
01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:05.460
Actually that's pretty good.

1395
01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:06.840
Yeah let's do that.

1396
01:04:06.900 --> 01:04:10.559
This, I believe, there's Ron Moore's involved in this.

1397
01:04:10.619 --> 01:04:13.079
And it's pretty and it's pretty shit.

1398
01:04:13.139 --> 01:04:15.360
So that would be interesting to talk about as well.

1399
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:17.400
Brilliant.

1400
01:04:24.539 --> 01:04:28.920
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1401
01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:30.780
and Nathan Bottomley.

1402
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:34.679
You can find us online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you

1403
01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:37.739
can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1404
01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:41.820
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1405
01:04:41.820 --> 01:04:43.500
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1406
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:48.420
This episode was recorded on the 27th of December 2021 and

1407
01:04:48.420 --> 01:04:51.420
released on the 14th of January 2022.

1408
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:56.639
We'll see you next time for the Next Generation's descent.