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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back on Voyager with a better episode than we did the last time we did Voyager.

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No, that's true.

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All of the other ones are better.

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This is Voyager, series 6, episode 3, Barge of the Dead, from October 1999, and it is, I think, the last episode that Ronald D. Moore had a hand in. that right?

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A sad occasion, I think, given the impact that Ronald D. Moore had on Next Generation, Deep Space 9, and for a very brief period of 4 episodes.

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Possibly the best 4 episode runs.

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Or Voyager.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so this is a story that's written by Ronald D. Moore and Brian Fuller, who co-created Star Trek Discovery, and the teleplayers by Brian Fuller, and it's directed by Mike Vajar, who is someone who directs a lot of them.

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Michael Vajar, I think, is the best director of the late 90s, early 2000s.

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So he's the one that came in and did tacking into the win that we did recently, what you leave behind, Sacrifice of Angels.

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He directed Endgame, which I know we have things to say about, but it did look pretty great.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He's the one they give all the sort of event episodes too in the tail end of 90s trick.

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And I think he does some interesting things here as well.

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Yeah, I do too.

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I complain about 90s trek not wanting to look weird and this seems to be a script that wants to be weird that wants to show us things that we've never seen before.

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So some of it is the sort of same old Klingon stuff that we're basically used to since what, Heart of Glory, maybe a matter of honour.

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But there's all sorts of new elements here.

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And there's some great visuals, although I have to say, they're not quite as great as my memory of...

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No, my, you know.

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Still, it's like a cut above what I come to expect from Voyager. which is pleasing.

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You know, there were a few moments where my eyeballs were titillated and that doesn't happen very often when we watched 90s trick.

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And then the other thing is that it concentrates on one of our favourite characters and one of our favourite actors.

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So this is a Balana episode.

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It's a Klingon episode.

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I finally remembered her again after 2 seasons of 7 of 9.

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We've got a new woman in the show, so we can't focus on the other women, of course.

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We can only focus on this new hot Jerry Ryan.

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And then I think somewhere between 5 and 6.

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I went, oh, do you remember we've got Roxanne Dawson?

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She can act as well.

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Let's give us something to do.

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And she gets this and she gets Muse this year and they're both great episodes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And she's really good in them.

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She is really good in them.

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Going back to what you were saying about Brian Fuller and Ronald D. Moore.

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I actually think that is a match made in heaven.

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Given the similarities that you and I have pointed out about Deep Space 9 and Discovery, that sort of, um, tentative arc building and strong character work that the both of those shows do and the sort of look sort of picking up the rock and looking at the dirtier side of what happens in the Star Trek universe.

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I think they complement each other really, really well.

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And maybe this isn't their best work, either of them, but I think I would have liked to have seen that collaboration go on because I think I, I mean, it can't, because then we wouldn't have got Battlestar Galactic, Erin, that was just one of the best genre shows we ever had.

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But I think this is a tantalising glimpse into what Voyager could have been if the 2 of them had continued working together and refined it a bit more, you know?

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Just about people, about the bloody characters for once.

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That's it.

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And part of the problem, I think, is that this is the beginning of year six, we've had 5 whole seasons, and Bellana hasn't really advanced very much beyond the kind of single paragraph outline that we get of her, presumably in the show's Bible.

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What was it?

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X-moquee, X-moquee, turned Federation Engineer.

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That's it.

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She's a Klingon, but she tries to suppress her Klingon side and her parents broke up, and we covered all of that sort of stuff, particularly in faces, and in fact, in our sort of 2nd or 3rd episode of Untitled Star Trek project. episode, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, in lineage.

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So it's a thing that they go back to because it's basically the only thing that she's got going.

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And here, here it is more interesting, but they do explore it further, but it's a little bit too late in the day to try and base just an episode on that character and have it really properly work.

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And if we ever saw any evidence of this stuff in episodes that weren't about this, then it would be different, but we don't.

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And there's no real all out of this, is it?

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Lineage is another season and a half away, which is forget about this whole thing for a year, a year and a half and then we're going, oh yeah, I've already got issues about my lineage.

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Let's deal with that.

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I'm having a baby.

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And then once again, we never talk about that.

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It's not like DS9, is it, where they do remember the character beats throughout the show.

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It is weird how we dip in and out of people's anxieties as of when the show wants to cover them. we've covered that as well, haven't we?

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It's the problem with formulaic TV, you know, procedures.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And just not being able to do any sort of arc development.

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And so this is very good, but it is in a way a little too late.

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And while that stuff works really well, the other thing that I think is interesting is that it flirts with the idea of religion, but I'll talk about it as we go along a little bit.

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I think it has some really good, interesting things to do, that it does some really interesting things with religion that Star Trek tends not to do, and that it does some weird sort of TV crap with religion as well at the end, which I think works rather less well.

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So I don't think it's got anything sort of strong to say about religion and I don't know that the character stuff with B'Elana lands, but.

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In spite of that, it's a great performance, the script itself is really good. lots of interesting things happen.

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It looks great.

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Like I think this is, you know, among the best Voyager episodes.

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Certainly of the ones that we've covered.

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Interestingly, you say late in the day.

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So this was originally supposed to be a DS9 episode that Ron Moore wanted to write, and it was about Martok and Wolf rather than Belana.

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I don't know whose parent was dishonoured.

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I guessing wharfs, because that's a that's a strong thing, isn't it, throughout DNG?

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And Ira Bear put the kibosh on that and said, no, it's too late in the day to tell this sort of story.

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We're doing all the war stuff now.

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I don't really want to get into this big treaties on religion and death. this late in the day.

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So, our bear had the knots to say, no, we ain't doing that.

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Well, of course, the Voyager writing room, we're going, my God, look at this great script.

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Of course we've got to do it. much better than the shit we normally put out.

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Who cares?

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It's too late in the day.

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And rocks I get stuff to do.

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There is one brilliant thread through this episode, which we'll talk about when we're in there, and that is that they suddenly remember, and they've completely forgotten about this for about 2.5 seasons, that early relationship between Janeway and Torres and just how brilliant those 2 are when they're on screen together.

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And I really like, it doesn't say anything in the last scene, but I really love the last scene of this episode.

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I actually felt very moved for 2 characters on Voyager. and I'm gonna tell you, Nathan, that doesn't happen too often for me.

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No.

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I was really moved by that final scene except for the involvement of Robert Duncan McNeil, but we'll get there when we get there.

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He does threaten to sing a lot of scenes in this episode.

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Let's him.

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That's one particular moment where he does his hysterical acting, which I went out as we go.

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Oh my god.

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All right.

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I think we'll go in What do you think?

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I'm scared the next time we do a Robert Duncan McNeil episode.

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Just nobody's just going to be really mean about him.

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Yeah, don't let Ed please.

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I know he does his own podcast, so don't let him know we exist, people, please.

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All right.

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I'm going to count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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This is our sort of general voyager opening.

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The shuttle shaking, sparks are flying.

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Palada Torres is in having technical issues.

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I actually thought this was okay, but again, it's sort of very constrained in a sort of voyage away.

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Like we only see into the shuttle bay through the shuttle window and so it never looks quite as impressive as it has it cool.

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That POV shot going through.

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Yeah, it's not period Voyager through the doors.

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Yeah.

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Unfortunately, it is exactly the same cold open as threshold, except that time it was Tom Paris and...

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This time it's also not real.

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Here he is speaking for devil.

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Oh my god.

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So one of the things that really shits me about, about the character, not just Robert, but, but, but Tom Paris is that it's always about his feeling, like he centres his feelings.

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And so we're even in an episode of...

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Particularly in an episode about Torres, when she is in danger or where she's experiencing something, he's there to kind of tell us how he feels about it and he just annoys me.

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See, I love this one, the way I love it when Joe Wade chews people out.

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I get a little bit turned on if I'm honest.

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Yeah, so this is fun.

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So what's happening here?

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No, this is not fun.

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This is what Voyager does all the time.

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She calls her Lana for this one scene.

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She's never done it before, and she'll never do it again.

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But do you know why she doesn't because what's happening in this part of the story, this is the thing...

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It was just a dream now already now.

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Yeah, so this is all of this is the dream.

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We open with the dream.

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And so all this Klingon stuff is leaking into her experience of Voyager. none of this is real.

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She was in like a coma right now then.

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Yeah, she's in a coma right now in the eye on storm.

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And so because there is this thing where it explicitly kind of equates Janeway with morale, her mother.

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So that's why we have Janeway, call her Lana, which, again, yes, I love this hope until you...

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Even in her head, she's doing a normal Voyager episode where something from the Alpha Quadrant has ended up in the Delta Quadr.

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And I love the fact that they go, we don't know how.

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Maybe it's because the Borg assimilated a ship and it's just they just spat out the debris or maybe it was...

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Her theory is that they're saying brave Klingons came into the into the Delta Quadrant.

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Um, and she's dismissing that.

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But it does lead to the wonderful image of all of that blood coming up out of the symbol, which I was very badly realised.

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I think it's too large on on 90 Star Trek.

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Not a lot.

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We said that in reunion, didn't we?

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And I like it when you see the table from below with all the blood sort of just running out onto the glass table.

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I didn't think it was that bad.

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Yeah, it's a bit rough.

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I think it's not as bad as the bug is. patch on Tashi Yar's face.

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Oh yeah, yeah, no, but that's meant to be weird.

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Yeah, see, that looks pretty good, doesn't it?

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It's coming out of the logo, but then when it spills over the table, it looks really shit.

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Do you know, I don't know if you noticed in that very 1st scene in the shuttlecraft, right?

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Tom Paris came up to Bilanosaurus and said, oh, you did.

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Nobody in any sort of existence would go up to somebody and ask that question, would they?

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When I get a 1st day call at work, I don't go up the summer and go, are you dead?

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No, I'm good.

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Well, I'm going to treat you now. question.

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Yeah, yeah, that's the 1st question.

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I'm not going to treat you if you say yes.

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So, at the moment, all April World's warning bells are going off.

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Uh-oh.

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Klingon symbol, blood.

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Bl Torres, we're in for a Klingon episode, everybody.

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You know, you can sort of zone out for this one.

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Yeah, yeah, but it's not the usual thing because it's being taken away from wharf, you know, is this the 1st Ronald D. Moore Klingon episode that has an involved wharf.

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And so now he has B'Elana to play with, and she has some similarities with Wolf, but like lots of differences as well.

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That's super interesting, isn't it?

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It takes a little more to actually do a proper Klingon episode on Voyager.

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I don't think any of the other riders are that interested.

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It's his obsession, Ron Moore.

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I mean, he wanted that.

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He wanted the Klingon spinoff.

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That's what soldiers into the Empires was all about.

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It was supposed to be a pilot for Martoc to have his own spinoff show.

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And when that was clear, it wasn't going to happen.

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He said, well, can I just write that one episode then of just all of a Klingon cruiser?

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Think about the latex bill.

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It just would have been ridiculous.

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I feel it would have been as successful as the lone gunman show was from the spinoff in the Exiles.

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Yeah. you know, 9 episodes. only lots of latex.

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Actually, you know what?

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As a complete side note, this only the child sequence, so it doesn't matter.

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Did you ever watch the pilot of the lone gunman?

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Where the plot was, a bunch of terrorists nicking a plane to crash into the twin towers.

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Oh my god, really?

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A year before that happened.

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Do you think he didn't?

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Do you think Chris Carter did that then?

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It's just a very odd coincidence. don't think they show it anymore.

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No, probably not.

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Ah, here's Harry Kim.

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Now, poor Harry as well.

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Like here he's been given, he's a little bit sarky and tired and stuff.

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And so there's something going on for him in this scene, but he's just not really very good, unfortunately, and the camera doesn't catch some of his, you know, some of the faces he pulls.

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He kind of, I can see him sort of trying and he just doesn't get, you know, he's not saying it's very wrong.

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I mean, you've got rockside Dawson there looking absolutely beautiful.

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Why would you be looking at Harry Kim?

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Oh, Harry is beautiful and he is he's more my type than Roxanne, who is undoubtedly very beautiful.

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I'm not too sure anymore, Nathan, if I'm honest with watching these pretty ladies in Star Trek.

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That's true Oh, no, here we go.

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Neelix has come along to do his ambassadorial duties. ha.

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Daughter of the Empire.

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I'm doing a party for you.

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And so, and so part of the thing here, like why everyone's got such a sort of massive hard on for Klingon culture is that none of this is real, and this is, you know, the Naj, the, I think it's the Naj, stupid. where she's pretending not to be on the barge of the dead and all this Klingoness is leaking into the illusion she's constructing.

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But I swear to God, Ron Moore, who's has written the story for this, yeah, possibly some of the teleplay has looked back over Voyager.

208
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He's very aware of what they're putting out, and he knows all the cliches, and one of the cliches is Neelix comes along with whatever's going on this week and goes, well, we're going to throw a party in the, in the mess hole.

209
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That happens loads of times.

210
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Things coming from the alpha quadrant into the Delta quadrant.

211
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That happens, like, I swear to God, he's leaning into the cliches on purpose.

212
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Well, because this is a constructed version of Voyager that Bananas making.

213
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We can all just say it in the end, it was in her head. why there's so many cliches in it, you know?

214
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But in a way, it's a tell, isn't it?

215
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Like something odd is going on, we don't know what it is.

216
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Why is everyone suddenly acting so Klingon?

217
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And it starts here in this incredible scene.

218
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This is wonderful, isn't it, this scene?

219
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So Tim Russ plays a Klingon in invasive procedures in series 2 of Deep Space Nine.

220
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Oh, have you Do you remember its performance in that?

221
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I've seen so.

222
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The 2nd he gets those teeth in.

223
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He was so over the top.

224
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It's glorious.

225
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But he's great as a Klingon here, and it kind of works as well because, you know, Klingons and Vulcans date from the 1960s and they're very, very alpha quadrant, and in a way, they're kind of the essence of Star Trek.

226
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And so, you know, the fact that she doesn't behave like a Klingon and has rejected her Klingon heritage is in a way kind of offensive to Tuvok.

227
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But like Tuvok is a Klingon kind of leaking through.

228
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I do think this is the 1st time you properly know something is up.

229
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Like the other scenes you could sort of write off as, okay, this is our typical Voyager.

230
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Now he's behaving so out of character.

231
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You know what's another cliche, Voyager, is that when they give Tim Russ something to do that isn't being a monotone robot, he's reliably excellent as he is here.

232
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Yeah, yeah, he's so good.

233
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This is really great.

234
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Like, I like, you know, like, I like that he cares about Klingon culture.

235
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I think when he gets angry, he's like the scariest thing in Voyager.

236
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Oh, yeah, yeah.

237
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He's really good.

238
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Holy crap, they waste him.

239
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Wait, can we get to Mel?

240
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He's in that room, Sailor Power's going to murder everybody.

241
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It's really scary.

242
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I do like how he keeps the lights down as well.

243
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It's a Warrior's blades. crafted for precision.

244
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I mean, look at how he handles the bat list.

245
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Yeah, he's really good, isn't he?

246
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Like, woo hoo.

247
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He sort of nicks her face, doesn't he?

248
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Yeah, yeah.

249
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And that's the beat, that's the beat where he goes too far and where she kind of gets cross with him and it looks, that's weird.

250
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You know, it's your idea. therapy.

251
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Oh, and that's super violent, isn't it?

252
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Like he just like goes for a phase.

253
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He doesn't accidentally nick it.

254
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He's like, it's really good.

255
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It's, it's, and like you said, it's very dramatically lit at that scene as well.

256
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Well, but it is always in his quarters.

257
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Um, but yes, he is behaving very oddly and...

258
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So sort of dog. in silhouette, though.

259
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It's lovely Oh, I just think this is joyous this scene.

260
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Not Neelix come along singing the Klingon.

261
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But, um, I love the bit in slow motion while they all get murdered horribly.

262
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I was like, yes, Harry Kim, yes, stabbed in the stomach, you know?

263
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So this song, and I thought I had heard it a lot before.

264
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You have heard it on one DS9.

265
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It's in Way of the Warrior.

266
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Yes, yeah.

267
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Yeah.

268
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And so Martoc and and Worf sing it.

269
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Um, and so this is the best Robert and Jerry Ryan singing it.

270
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And I think any excuse you can get those 2 singing, you know, absolutely do that.

271
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Well, they love, didn't they?

272
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Just a few episodes back and someone to watch over me.

273
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

274
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I like the fact that she sings.

275
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She sings beautifully, but with a look of utter disdain on her face that she's doing it. just terrific.

276
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Very hard to pull off, but she somehow manages it.

277
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I've got to say, right, this is probably, ooh, what is that, ghastly food on the plate?

278
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Is it gah?

279
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Oh, that's, yeah, that's gosh.

280
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Doesn't he say I injected it with a stimulant?

281
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I mean, to make it move.

282
00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:21.240
Yeah, yeah, because it's replicated, so it's not alive.

283
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So he's, he says a kinaesthetic agent or something. to give it a little...

284
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That is, though. poor even, Phillips.

285
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I think that's his most annoying look.

286
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Series 6 is where they brush his hair to such a degree that he's got sort of feathered hair coming out of the top of his head.

287
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Oh okay.

288
00:20:41.940 --> 00:20:49.980
And he's put on a, oh, no, I've been going on about people putting on weight lately, but he has, is, is, Jacket is severely padded.

289
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It's a bizarre look, he gets this season.

290
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You go back and watch him in series one.

291
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It's all much more muted.

292
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Right, right, right, right.

293
00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:07.440
So, so this is the 2 of them talking and that's the problem with the Roxanne episode is that the worst Robert always comes along for the ride.

294
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She's saddled with him.

295
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That's why.

296
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

297
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But she's so much better than him.

298
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So this is the, this is the religion thing that's happening, okay?

299
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And in particular, the breakup between morale and her racist father seems to have been precipitated, not this time by by Balana, but by the religiosity, morale religiosity, right?

300
00:21:38.819 --> 00:21:51.539
And we really play up the fact that Marah was super religious and, you know, sent her to a monastery when she was little after the breakup and it was all rituals and honour and stuff like that.

301
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And that's kind of interesting.

302
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We'll get back to it because again, he didn't interject then.

303
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Did you see as well?

304
00:21:58.019 --> 00:22:00.059
That was one scene where he just listened to her.

305
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Yeah, talking about her childhood.

306
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Sometimes why?

307
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What about me?

308
00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:09.359
Oh, this is great.

309
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Look, the lights have come down.

310
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The flames are licking against people's faces.

311
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Janeway is giving a very strange Klingon speech and now...

312
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I think that looks great.

313
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It's a slow motion stuff.

314
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

315
00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:27.000
Look, I like after a lot...

316
00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:29.940
They've turned the fucking lights down and it's suddenly more atmospheric.

317
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Yep.

318
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Every time we have a flame in the set, it's better than the usual strip lighting that they have.

319
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That's right.

320
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No, and the way he sort of is slow motion comes up behind them and, I mean, the size of that bloody knife he's got.

321
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Gameway's being stabbed in the back.

322
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The big knife.

323
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Not sure how the doctor was murdered with a bat left, but it's in Balana's heads, I don't know.

324
00:22:51.779 --> 00:22:53.339
No, he gets knocked over, I sort of thing.

325
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Harry stabbed in the gut.

326
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Yeah.

327
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Whoop.

328
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There he goes.

329
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They must have had great fun shooting this.

330
00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:01.619
So you reckon all playing dead on the floor.

331
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Yeah.

332
00:23:06.180 --> 00:23:08.460
And so now we're going to Grethor.

333
00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:13.380
And so Stovercor is where the honoured dead go and Greythor is where the dishonoured...

334
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That's really good, isn't it?

335
00:23:14.700 --> 00:23:18.900
She gets hit by the batlether and then she wakes up in the in the barge of the dead.

336
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:24.180
It's not just that, I think, is a good set, and I do think that is a really good barge set.

337
00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:26.220
It's the light and they're throwing it.

338
00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:30.359
The wind they're throwing in it and he's doing what we said about the Gorn episode the other day.

339
00:23:30.420 --> 00:23:35.220
He's tilt in the angle to suggest movement and just to make it a bit more visually exciting.

340
00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:37.259
I think it's really great.

341
00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:40.200
I think the scenes shot in this set are great.

342
00:23:40.259 --> 00:23:48.779
Okay, I'm going to watch the lamps. because I, do you think the lamps, the lamps would give away?

343
00:23:48.779 --> 00:23:50.339
Yeah, they're swaying.

344
00:23:50.579 --> 00:23:52.140
But yeah.

345
00:23:52.140 --> 00:23:55.380
Look, you can't think about moving the camera and the lamps, all right?

346
00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:59.819
That's too much, but no one is trek.

347
00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:05.940
And so she's been branded...

348
00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:07.980
Yeah, I don't like all these pilots towards women.

349
00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:14.819
It's horrible Well, yeah, but I mean, so it happens to both of them, but it also happens to the other guy here.

350
00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:16.380
So we have some other guy.

351
00:24:16.500 --> 00:24:19.859
What's that guy, hitch car or something?

352
00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:22.859
No, Hitchcar is the the 1st one.

353
00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:24.900
Just throw a lot of consoners together, you each time.

354
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:25.980
Yeah.

355
00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:27.779
So we have...

356
00:24:27.779 --> 00:24:32.099
Oh, look at that album.

357
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:33.059
The camera is tilting.

358
00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:33.900
I think that's really nice.

359
00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:37.559
I know it's simple, but it's way more than effort than they normally go to.

360
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:43.079
But I'm just saying, are they tilting the set because they're not tilting in the foreground so much.

361
00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:45.720
And they can sometimes do that.

362
00:24:45.779 --> 00:24:46.500
Yeah.

363
00:24:46.500 --> 00:24:53.880
So this guy is Harris from Enterprise from Section 31.

364
00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:56.400
What, from series 4?

365
00:24:56.460 --> 00:24:58.980
The one who keeps talking to Malcolm Reed all the time.

366
00:24:59.039 --> 00:24:59.519
Yeah.

367
00:24:59.579 --> 00:25:00.119
Yeah.

368
00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:02.039
Is he liaisons?

369
00:25:02.099 --> 00:25:08.039
He's in for the uniform, and he is in a bunch of enterprise episodes.

370
00:25:08.099 --> 00:25:13.980
He's the captain of the other ship in fully uniform who tells Cisco he's got to stop going after Eddington.

371
00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:18.599
I do remember that There's a couple of people in this, aren't there, that do the rounds in Star Trek?

372
00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:23.819
Well, no, because there's only there's basically only 4 guest stars.

373
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:31.859
So there's this guy, exposition Klingon, who is also, doesn't believe in the Klingon afterlife either.

374
00:25:32.220 --> 00:25:34.619
Did you say Exposition Klingon?

375
00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:36.539
He's exposition.

376
00:25:37.619 --> 00:25:44.099
We get Sherman Augustus, who has a big career, but this is his only Star Trek.

377
00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:48.599
See, they're shoeing off the set there, but it's not a long shot, is it?

378
00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:50.460
So you can't see it in its entirety.

379
00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:52.380
No, you see it.

380
00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:53.099
That's good.

381
00:25:53.220 --> 00:26:00.299
Yeah, I seem to remember exterior shots of the barge, but this is all we get.

382
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:01.380
They're just practical ones.

383
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:02.460
They're built in the set.

384
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:04.500
This guy's jumped overboard in this now.

385
00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:07.440
He's in the CGIC now.

386
00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:08.279
Sea of blood.

387
00:26:08.339 --> 00:26:09.000
So great.

388
00:26:09.059 --> 00:26:10.799
That's that is actually pretty good.

389
00:26:10.859 --> 00:26:12.299
But sort of like sea snakes, aren't they?

390
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:13.140
They sort of...

391
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:14.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

392
00:26:14.339 --> 00:26:15.839
Or later on.

393
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.000
I can't remember the word that gets used.

394
00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:30.720
But later on, um, the, the word that, um, uh, that morale uses, she uses that word to describe B'lana, she thinks B'lana is not real.

395
00:26:30.779 --> 00:26:33.599
So there's some kind of supernatural something or other.

396
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:36.720
And so this is the 1st Klingon or something, isn't it?

397
00:26:36.779 --> 00:26:37.920
Like, this is the guy.

398
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:40.079
And he...

399
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:44.279
So there's some story about the Clons killing their gods.

400
00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:47.940
It gets mentioned in Dax's wedding, doesn't it?

401
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:50.220
Oh, yeah.

402
00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:51.839
Oh, God, I do know the story.

403
00:26:51.900 --> 00:26:55.859
I've forgotten It's all very theatrically done. their gods.

404
00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:58.500
And then the fella's very lonely.

405
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:06.779
And then the other the other Klingon woman heart comes along and they come together and they're stronger than they were individually and et cetera, et cetera.

406
00:27:06.900 --> 00:27:07.740
Yeah.

407
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:09.960
So his quarter is his name.

408
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:12.839
No, that's not right.

409
00:27:12.900 --> 00:27:17.640
I've, I think I've got the, I think I've got those actors mixed up, but I think this is Harris, this guy.

410
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:23.640
You know, it is a fairly fully realised society.

411
00:27:23.700 --> 00:27:33.900
Within all the episodes, all the Klingon episodes, you know, we do touch on how they do a wedding ceremony. you know, the afterlife, the political system.

412
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:35.880
It's covered quite thoroughly.

413
00:27:35.940 --> 00:27:43.680
In fact, it's, I think the, the, the Klingons kill their gods thing might be a throwaway line in an X-Gen episode.

414
00:27:43.740 --> 00:27:50.640
And certainly, like, um, Grethor, I think might get mentioned for the 1st time in Devil's Dew.

415
00:27:50.940 --> 00:27:52.319
Really?

416
00:27:52.380 --> 00:27:53.460
But yeah.

417
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:54.299
Yeah.

418
00:27:54.299 --> 00:28:01.980
Well, Antra, remember, appears as, um, is it Fekla?

419
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:12.660
You know, the monster, the guardian of Grethor. like a sort of Klingon monster, but with sort of teeth and a sort of slavering mouth and stuff like that.

420
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:22.500
Like, she just appears because Kang tells Kirk in Day of the Dove, there's no Klingon devil, but the underworld does have a guardian.

421
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.680
We don't get to see Fekla, but Fekla does get mentioned here.

422
00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:28.140
Okay, he's morale arriving.

423
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:36.720
So, morole is uh, Dr. Calandra from your favourite episode, nor the Battle to the Strong.

424
00:28:36.779 --> 00:28:43.500
So she's the doctor that runs the hospital, you know, who talks to Bashir quite a lot and says, the Klingons are coming and all of this.

425
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:44.579
Right, okay.

426
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:47.220
That's sort of like your normal Star Trek stuff.

427
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:53.519
I'm sure she had a bit more fun doing this on that ship, you know, rocking about wind and lightning going and dressed up as a boy.

428
00:28:53.579 --> 00:28:56.160
She's literally 4 years older than Roxanne.

429
00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:57.599
I know, isn't that great?

430
00:28:57.660 --> 00:29:00.539
I mean, you can sort of tell, right, but just go with it.

431
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:01.740
Yeah, yeah.

432
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:02.220
Yeah.

433
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:03.660
So this is real.

434
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:04.559
So this is real.

435
00:29:04.619 --> 00:29:10.740
She's woken up and this is her actual, when we're on the ship, that is genuinely voyager.

436
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:11.339
Okay, thank you.

437
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:12.240
I'm so pleased to you.

438
00:29:12.299 --> 00:29:17.640
And none of that Klingon stuff is leaking into Voyager, except look at her hand.

439
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:29.940
And that's actually, you know, like the doctor just kind of assumes that it's part of the injury that she got on the shuttle or whatever, but she had it on, you know, on the barge.

440
00:29:29.940 --> 00:29:32.220
Yeah.

441
00:29:33.059 --> 00:29:38.579
My God, that was a 2nd Tom Paris scene where he just was concerned husband.

442
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:42.720
Oh, no, not husband at this point. quite yeah, concerned, horrible boyfriend.

443
00:29:42.779 --> 00:29:44.940
I liked this scene a lot.

444
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:49.500
Not really because of what they were saying, just because of their body language.

445
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:58.019
I could really tell it was 2 actors that are used to working together because they get a lot of scenes together and just 2 characters that are comfortable being around each other.

446
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:02.400
There's a lot with how tactile people are on screen together.

447
00:30:02.460 --> 00:30:07.980
And I just like how he sits on his bed on her bed, sorry, very comfortably and talks to her here.

448
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:10.619
It's not very interesting what they're saying, but they're mine.

449
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:15.359
Well, this is more religion stuff and this actually plays into the end of the episode.

450
00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:26.339
So she says, she asks him about his religious beliefs, and we know that he's a fake Native American.

451
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.700
We're in trouble, whatever we were asking Chakotay about his beliefs, yeah.

452
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:34.079
Doesn't he say, he does mention his people, the beliefs of his people at some point.

453
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:34.920
I'm like, okay.

454
00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:36.420
He talks about his grandfather.

455
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.160
He talks about his grandfather.

456
00:30:38.220 --> 00:30:43.980
And so she says that she had this sort of afterlife, you know, near-death experience thing.

457
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:48.839
And he says, well, that's gonna be what you hallucinate because your mother went on and on about that.

458
00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:50.940
So it's unsurprising.

459
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:52.079
You experience that.

460
00:30:52.140 --> 00:31:04.259
And his line is, you're being too literal about this, that these images are produced by your brain and you need to think about what they mean more deeply.

461
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:08.099
But yeah, here, it's your subconscious dream, right?

462
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:09.539
to tell you something.

463
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:10.319
Yeah.

464
00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:10.799
Yeah.

465
00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:19.019
So he thinks that she's wrong to think that this is actually a literal afterlife and that she has to go back and save her mother.

466
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.440
And that's where the episode lands, I think.

467
00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:34.380
And I think that's a little bit of a shame because it would have been more fun had it been more ambiguous had we not known that this wasn't the afterlife that she'd been experiencing.

468
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:36.299
That line there.

469
00:31:36.420 --> 00:31:37.079
Did you see it?

470
00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:38.039
so on the nose.

471
00:31:38.099 --> 00:31:39.539
She goes, I'm an engineer.

472
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:42.960
I've spent my life inured in schematics.

473
00:31:43.019 --> 00:31:44.339
I'm like, oh, please.

474
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:45.900
Who talks like that, you know?

475
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.180
Brian Fullo, will you try again, please?

476
00:31:48.299 --> 00:31:53.099
Well, he did, and he's done much better. got fired for it as well.

477
00:31:54.599 --> 00:32:06.720
Oh, I suppose, but again, it is 2 characters on this show that normally just talk techno babble and, you know, bridge politics or whatever, actually talking about faith.

478
00:32:06.779 --> 00:32:11.220
So it's an effect, but this too, like the way she's playing this.

479
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:12.180
She's so good.

480
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:13.799
Like, that's really real.

481
00:32:13.859 --> 00:32:20.099
She's saying, my mother's been on my mind a lot lately, which is just an unusual voyager thing.

482
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:21.599
Do you know what I mean?

483
00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:25.680
Because it sort of acknowledges that they do things that aren't just the episodes that we see them in.

484
00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:28.559
And it's been 10 years since she's talked to her.

485
00:32:28.619 --> 00:32:29.279
No, I know.

486
00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:31.559
She's eluding to it, but yeah.

487
00:32:31.619 --> 00:32:32.160
Yeah.

488
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:35.460
Yeah, but it's like, I show now.

489
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.220
A show now would sort of lead up to this, wouldn't it?

490
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:39.359
and lead away from it.

491
00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:41.279
You'd have a moment in an episode.

492
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:46.440
Now, but in Voyager, they just do it in that one episode and then we move on.

493
00:32:46.500 --> 00:32:47.640
That's right.

494
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:51.960
And so again, here is the worst, Robert.

495
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.480
Here's the worst Robert with her.

496
00:32:54.539 --> 00:32:56.759
Oh, come on, he says, it can't be that bad.

497
00:32:56.819 --> 00:32:58.319
Yeah, yeah.

498
00:32:58.380 --> 00:32:59.579
Shut up to embarrass.

499
00:32:59.940 --> 00:33:05.220
Well, again, you know, oh, yeah.

500
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:08.099
Anyway, I just think that's what you're loathsome in this episode.

501
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:11.519
I just think he's absolutely loathsome, Paul.

502
00:33:12.420 --> 00:33:19.859
And I feel like that's the voyager's biggest era in its 7 year run is ever giving a shit about Tom Paris.

503
00:33:20.099 --> 00:33:21.839
Is it?

504
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:33.960
know whether it's because he's the straight white guy on the show, and so they want to foreground him more, you know, like, and he has to be, but he's here to mansplain what she should do at all times.

505
00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:36.960
Like, I just find him... you know what?

506
00:33:37.019 --> 00:33:41.220
What do you care if that's if that's, you know, that you said your mum to the afterlife and all.

507
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:42.839
Go wait on Paris.

508
00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:44.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

509
00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:46.859
I care because I love my mom, all right?

510
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:52.200
Yeah, yeah, like he makes no attempt to understand her is all about telling her that she's wrong.

511
00:33:52.259 --> 00:33:57.240
No, she said to him, I have a chance to rescue my mother from this terrible fate.

512
00:33:57.299 --> 00:33:58.859
He's going, well, it's not real anyway.

513
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:00.119
Don't worry about it, you know.

514
00:34:00.539 --> 00:34:02.339
Yeah, that's right.

515
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.680
The wedding would be off for me at this point.

516
00:34:04.740 --> 00:34:06.000
Oh, no.

517
00:34:06.059 --> 00:34:07.140
He gets one great one.

518
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:07.980
What do you mean, Nathan?

519
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:08.579
You want to go back?

520
00:34:08.820 --> 00:34:11.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

521
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.500
I mean, it's hard to know how to react.

522
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:18.659
Yeah, and I suppose he is.

523
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:23.099
He said they are respectful what you believe in. you're starting to scare me now.

524
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:24.059
That's it.

525
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:25.079
You're starting scare me.

526
00:34:25.139 --> 00:34:27.539
Let me talk about my feelings for a while here.

527
00:34:27.659 --> 00:34:31.079
Can we send to this conversation on how I feel about it?

528
00:34:31.139 --> 00:34:36.420
This entire episode might be built around your difficult relationship with your mother and the Klingon afterlife.

529
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.159
But can we please talk about my feelings?

530
00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:39.900
That's right.

531
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:56.460
So, and then the lease too, because one of the things, you know, Janeway is a scientist and she's had episodes that have portrayed her as being adversarial towards religion, what we rolled one and then said, no.

532
00:34:56.460 --> 00:35:05.039
And then, like when she says, I'm going to let religious practises go so far, but only so far, you don't.

533
00:35:05.099 --> 00:35:05.820
I do too.

534
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.599
And I love the fact that she chooses an extreme example.

535
00:35:09.659 --> 00:35:12.960
What have your religious practises meant you sacrifice babies on the ship?

536
00:35:13.019 --> 00:35:16.380
See, I think that's really negative and offensive.

537
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:20.219
And I think that that's a bit of a weird thing. place for her to come.

538
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.619
If I say something about me, then I'd laugh my head off at that line.

539
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:27.840
No, no, but you just, but you just say, come on, no one sacrificing babies.

540
00:35:27.900 --> 00:35:28.619
Do you know what I mean?

541
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:30.960
I'm doing a thing in a controlled environment or whatever.

542
00:35:31.019 --> 00:35:33.420
And but now she's just saying, this wasn't real.

543
00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:36.539
And she says it's real to me.

544
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:38.639
And what do we, where do we go now?

545
00:35:38.699 --> 00:35:39.659
Do you know what I mean?

546
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:41.159
How can we possibly argue this?

547
00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:45.480
And the trouble with these scenes is, these things are always pointless because you very often.

548
00:35:45.539 --> 00:35:53.760
It happened when B'Elana and Tom started having their relationship together and they were getting all kissy kissy in the corridors and the Jeffries tubes and things like this.

549
00:35:53.820 --> 00:36:00.840
And Janeway went, there's only so far I'm going to allow interpersonal relationships on this ship and then she just lets it happen.

550
00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:07.079
And the same with this episode, she says, it's only so far let religious experiences go on in this ship and then it happens anyway.

551
00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:09.539
So they're always...

552
00:36:10.139 --> 00:36:20.880
But you see, I think it happens because, you know, she's put in the position of a parent.

553
00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:22.440
Don't you think?

554
00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:31.980
And one of the things that you do when you're a parent is that you have to let people make their dumb decisions.

555
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:37.920
You can't just make rulings and forbid things.

556
00:36:37.980 --> 00:36:43.380
You sometimes have to let your kids do a thing that you think is a bad idea.

557
00:36:43.380 --> 00:36:46.440
Um, and here, well, here we go.

558
00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:50.099
Here's Tom, you know, give his view and take on this.

559
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:51.059
Yeah.

560
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:55.980
That's got to be an easier one.

561
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:58.260
Go to church or something.

562
00:36:58.320 --> 00:36:59.039
Oh, Tom.

563
00:36:59.099 --> 00:37:00.960
Yeah, yeah, church.

564
00:37:01.019 --> 00:37:02.039
It's a Christian thing.

565
00:37:02.099 --> 00:37:03.599
Klingon's doing our man.

566
00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:05.460
Thank you, Tom, for all the answers.

567
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:06.420
Too kind.

568
00:37:06.539 --> 00:37:09.059
No, no, he's going to find all the answers.

569
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:10.079
He's going to solve it.

570
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:11.880
There you go.

571
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:15.480
There's a mild threat there where he goes, I just hope there isn't next time.

572
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:19.260
Oh no, I think that means that we I hope you don't die of this.

573
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:21.360
I do like the line.

574
00:37:21.420 --> 00:37:22.619
You come back.

575
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.019
You came back from this thing as a born again.

576
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:26.159
Klingon was pretty good.

577
00:37:26.219 --> 00:37:31.739
I hope she doesn't die as well because do you remember how much of a cunt he was last time she dies?

578
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:32.820
Awful.

579
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:35.219
Inside and revolution on Voyager.

580
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:38.099
And all that bad acting.

581
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:39.659
I would not even kiss him now.

582
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:40.800
Don't touch her.

583
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:42.900
Spin it for you.

584
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:44.400
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

585
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.340
And none of that was about comforting her.

586
00:37:47.460 --> 00:37:49.619
That was all about making sure he was okay.

587
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:53.639
Well, I think in terms of the script is just someone objecting to it, isn't it?

588
00:37:53.699 --> 00:37:57.239
Someone saying, you know, to bring a bit of drama to what's actually going on.

589
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:01.019
Yeah, but it always has to be him, doesn't it?

590
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:04.860
Going back to, actually, it's something I said to you in our chat, Red.

591
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:10.199
And that is that this is very functional Voyager plotting, that all of this stuff.

592
00:38:10.260 --> 00:38:13.500
The thing appearing in the Delta Quadrant, Neelix doing his party.

593
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:15.239
Janeway objecting to the thing.

594
00:38:15.300 --> 00:38:17.039
Tom Paris shouting his head off.

595
00:38:17.099 --> 00:38:20.219
All of it is cookie cutter Voyager.

596
00:38:20.219 --> 00:38:21.960
Yeah, from HB to C.

597
00:38:22.019 --> 00:38:30.059
I think the difference with this episode is that a lot of the time the character stuff does hit, mostly because of the actors and sometimes because of the writing.

598
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:37.619
Um, and just because I think the barge is so interesting and realised. that it's somewhere that's worth going to, you know?

599
00:38:39.300 --> 00:38:41.820
Yeah, so here we go.

600
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:47.699
So they're kind of putting it asleep, aren't they, so that she can appear back on the barge.

601
00:38:47.699 --> 00:38:53.940
And let's look, the camera just goes there and looks at the worst, Robert, just so that we know how he feels.

602
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:56.940
But I do like Jangwei going, kapla.

603
00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:58.320
Yeah.

604
00:39:00.059 --> 00:39:02.760
She's object anymore, is she?

605
00:39:02.820 --> 00:39:03.900
She just, oh, off you go.

606
00:39:04.980 --> 00:39:09.420
Yeah, this is so much more interesting than the voyager says.

607
00:39:09.420 --> 00:39:12.840
Can't we go here for the rest of the series?

608
00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:16.440
Well, it's a bit monochrome.

609
00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:18.119
It's very brown.

610
00:39:21.179 --> 00:39:25.320
And she looks fabulous in that sort of warrior's outfit, doesn't she?

611
00:39:25.380 --> 00:39:26.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

612
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:27.840
We should see more of that.

613
00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:32.579
And I do like that because, you know, she's been dragged off Voyager.

614
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.039
So she's wearing her Voyager outfit the 1st time.

615
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:36.539
She turns up here.

616
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.239
She's here deliberately by choice.

617
00:39:39.300 --> 00:39:43.860
And so when she turns up, she's in a Klingon outfit, it makes sense.

618
00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:46.260
You know what it means?

619
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.480
It feels like, because it's all about smoking there, right?

620
00:39:48.539 --> 00:39:49.920
A wind's sort of whipping it around.

621
00:39:49.980 --> 00:39:55.260
It feels like they're facing the elements, like when we go down to Voyager colony planets.

622
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:57.360
It never feels like there's any weather at all.

623
00:39:57.420 --> 00:40:01.380
It's just sort of the lighting grid above them, you know, telling us whether it's bad or night.

624
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:04.320
It does actually feel like it feels like they're sort of outsider.

625
00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:06.900
No, they're not outside for once, but...

626
00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:10.739
Well, the thing about the enemy in Star Trek, the Next Generation.

627
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:12.239
That's reasonable.

628
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:13.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

629
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.260
Yeah, and that's just that's when they bought the women's machine, I'm honest.

630
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:17.159
Exactly.

631
00:40:17.219 --> 00:40:17.820
Yeah, yeah.

632
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:18.420
Yeah, yeah.

633
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:20.340
We're going to get some money out of this tonight.

634
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.739
Never got to work.

635
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.139
Stop Ryan leaves at me enough, enough.

636
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:28.619
Right, get the rain going.

637
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:29.280
Come on.

638
00:40:29.340 --> 00:40:32.460
Well, it just looks a bit less like the studio.

639
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:33.000
You're right.

640
00:40:33.059 --> 00:40:41.460
It looks a little bit like the real world, just like those scenes, you know, once they start learning to do sunlight in the studio that helps a bit as well.

641
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:42.539
Yeah.

642
00:40:42.539 --> 00:40:44.280
And in fact, you know what?

643
00:40:44.340 --> 00:40:51.300
Latter-day 90s trek, they do learn how to light that colony set.

644
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:52.739
Like kids day and night.

645
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:54.360
They do get there.

646
00:40:54.420 --> 00:40:56.280
It takes a long time.

647
00:40:56.400 --> 00:41:01.800
Well, I think the inner light is where I remember it really, really well as well.

648
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:12.659
There's scenes where they go off and do the planting and it's all filmed outside a dusk and they get the sort of that sort of golden light in perfect in the colonies there as well.

649
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.659
The colony said, Jesus Christ.

650
00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:19.019
What are we doing here?

651
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.659
We could be doing great things with our lives.

652
00:41:27.179 --> 00:41:30.659
I wanted to give you Anna, Belana.

653
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:32.280
Oh my god.

654
00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:35.820
No, I would like to say to anyone listening that.

655
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.880
Every single time I've said the Lana at the end of a line I've quoted.

656
00:41:38.940 --> 00:41:42.360
It's in fact not there, but I just feel like it belongs there.

657
00:41:42.420 --> 00:41:44.159
It does, I think.

658
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:50.340
Yeah, she actually hangs a head on it, doesn't she?

659
00:41:50.400 --> 00:42:00.360
We're on the barge of the dead and we're having the same argument and it's like literally the same argument that comes up in every Balana focussed episode that we ever do.

660
00:42:00.420 --> 00:42:01.800
So...

661
00:42:01.860 --> 00:42:06.840
Well, I mean, I do like the fact that here the focus is her mother and in lineage, the focus is her father.

662
00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:09.059
So we kind of get that so for both of them.

663
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:12.000
So it's a kind of fleshed out family by the end.

664
00:42:12.300 --> 00:42:18.840
Neither one of them quite gets it right, but... no, that's right.

665
00:42:18.900 --> 00:42:20.820
And I like this too.

666
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:22.800
I actually really like this.

667
00:42:22.860 --> 00:42:29.940
She can't come back and perform the ritual and then just have the doctor wake her up and it doesn't work.

668
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:33.000
You know, the 1st Klingon guy, Cortar, or whatever.

669
00:42:33.059 --> 00:42:36.420
Like he, um, he just says, what do you think?

670
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:37.860
I was going to be tricked by that.

671
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:39.539
You know, this is the afterlife.

672
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:40.619
It's real.

673
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:44.099
You know, you can't just come in and do some Star Trek shit.

674
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:45.960
And she won't accept it either.

675
00:42:46.019 --> 00:42:47.519
She doesn't want...

676
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:54.179
I would rather save that. damnation with what little honour you've left me, then cheat my way into Stovercore.

677
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:55.739
Yeah.

678
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:59.159
This fella at the wheel is having a great time.

679
00:42:59.219 --> 00:43:00.840
He is pretty good.

680
00:43:00.900 --> 00:43:01.920
Yeah.

681
00:43:02.099 --> 00:43:04.980
So she's got to take her mother's place now.

682
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:10.920
You know, I'm going to, does that mean she's going to get shoved off the ship and eaten by those terrible snakes?

683
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:12.719
Or she's just going to stay on the bar?

684
00:43:12.780 --> 00:43:13.739
turn up at the end.

685
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:20.219
She stays on the barge until it reaches Greth or and then she has to go in Greth or and that does happen because the plan doesn't work.

686
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:23.579
They can't wake her up in Sick Bay.

687
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:29.940
And so she actually does end up going into Greth or we're almost at Greth or now.

688
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:33.539
So can I tell you about the special effect of how they realise the doors?

689
00:43:33.900 --> 00:43:35.280
Yeah.

690
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:36.480
Hang on.

691
00:43:36.539 --> 00:43:36.960
Please go.

692
00:43:37.019 --> 00:43:37.559
Oh, here we go.

693
00:43:37.619 --> 00:43:51.360
The Gates of Grethel, one of the most complicated shots of the show, combining Dan Curry's map painting with Photoshop pictures, CGI environment modelling, and digital muse coals, and water to complete the effect.

694
00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:52.980
You're yawning.

695
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:54.840
Yeah, no, sorry.

696
00:43:57.780 --> 00:44:01.619
The depths of research I've done for this and you're yawning.

697
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:02.760
It's very interesting.

698
00:44:04.739 --> 00:44:10.559
It's 3 things that come together to create that effect and it does look primitive now.

699
00:44:10.619 --> 00:44:13.019
But I think then I was very impressed.

700
00:44:13.380 --> 00:44:22.380
Yeah, look, and and like because it is an attempt to do something that we haven't seen before, I'm there for it.

701
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:24.360
Look, now she's got the brand on her face.

702
00:44:24.420 --> 00:44:31.619
It's the sort of thing. remember when we went to Vagra 5 or whatever it was, Met Armos, you know, and it was a fabulous oil slick and all of that.

703
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:32.519
We said, you know what?

704
00:44:32.579 --> 00:44:33.719
It's shit, but it's weird.

705
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.360
And they sort of lose that a little bit.

706
00:44:36.420 --> 00:44:37.320
Yeah, there it is.

707
00:44:37.380 --> 00:44:37.920
They look.

708
00:44:37.980 --> 00:44:40.440
Yeah, it does look pretty great, doesn't it?

709
00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:43.559
I'm not sure I'd want to step over those hot coals, if I'm honest.

710
00:44:43.619 --> 00:44:49.920
Yeah, and like it needs to look kind of lurid and hyper real anyway, because it's a dreamscape or whatever.

711
00:44:49.980 --> 00:44:52.800
So the fact that it doesn't look particularly realistic is fine.

712
00:44:52.860 --> 00:44:59.820
I don't think that's a problem. when the door's open, it gets even more melodramatic and all the fires of hell are raging behind the doors.

713
00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:02.219
It does seem hard, doesn't it?

714
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:04.679
It doesn't seem, well, they're great. doesn't seem hard.

715
00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:08.579
There are some spars, you know, where you can step over hot coals like this.

716
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.820
I can't say I... any of them.

717
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:15.900
Oh, yeah, look at the CGI flames on there, not too great, are they?

718
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:16.860
Oh, pretty great, aren't they?

719
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:19.019
It's after effects.

720
00:45:20.699 --> 00:45:25.380
I think they're just trying to, you know, highlight it's quite unpleasant there.

721
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:27.059
Yeah, yeah.

722
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:28.380
Well, then it's like hell.

723
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:29.159
Do you know what I mean?

724
00:45:29.219 --> 00:45:33.599
Like it's just like our, you know, like Christian mythology around hell, I guess.

725
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:38.219
And look, the Kleon symbol upside down is the symbol of Grethor.

726
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:39.420
Do you notice that?

727
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:40.199
above the gates?

728
00:45:40.260 --> 00:45:41.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

729
00:45:43.139 --> 00:45:45.300
Oh, wait.

730
00:45:45.300 --> 00:45:47.400
It does...

731
00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:48.960
Does that mean she's nearly dead?

732
00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:53.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah. how you get Deanna back to life in man of the people.

733
00:45:53.699 --> 00:45:56.699
With the usual skill, I might ask.

734
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:01.199
It's just pressing a hyperspray to someone's neck, really, but there we go.

735
00:46:02.099 --> 00:46:15.179
It does add weight to the fact that all those times when we've talked about dishonour in starting TNG and DS9, you know, this is what they're facing if they do dishonourable acts.

736
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:17.460
So I suppose it does add a bit of weight to all of that.

737
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:20.880
Yeah, but this is where it goes to shit, I think.

738
00:46:20.940 --> 00:46:30.300
And so Greth or, it turns out, is, as usual, just the Voyager set with some lighting changed and all the regular actors.

739
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:32.519
The camera on a table. weirdly.

740
00:46:32.579 --> 00:46:33.300
Yeah.

741
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:44.159
And, and, like, I feel the trouble is here that Robert Picardo can pull off this sort of, um, sort of the evil acting and Ethan Phillips perhaps can't.

742
00:46:44.219 --> 00:46:49.320
Yeah, but I actually just think the problem with this is it's so fucking tired.

743
00:46:49.380 --> 00:46:51.059
Like how many times?

744
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.280
I mean, we still do it on Discovery, I think.

745
00:46:53.340 --> 00:47:03.840
Do we have the ship's corridors standing in for the, you know, a dreamscape or an interior of someone's mind or something like that?

746
00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:07.380
And it, well, see, those fecla...

747
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:08.039
I mean, well done.

748
00:47:08.099 --> 00:47:12.360
Have you noticed how they've pumped smoke into the corridor there and they've got the lights coming from above?

749
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:15.179
It's, it's, it looks different from usual.

750
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:19.260
I know, I know, yeah, but we found it a 1000000 times, aren't we?

751
00:47:19.260 --> 00:47:19.559
You know?

752
00:47:19.619 --> 00:47:20.280
Yeah exactly.

753
00:47:20.340 --> 00:47:27.659
And what's the implication here, that B'lana is in hell on Voyager, because she's a scientist and not a Klingon?

754
00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:40.619
No, I think that what's happening is this calls back to the conversation that she had with a medium, Robert, before where he said, look, this isn't a literal afterlife.

755
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:48.420
This is a dreamscape and you need to understand it on that level.

756
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:58.679
So if you just go in there thinking, this is literally you saving your mother from damnation, that's not what's going on here, but there is something going on here and you need to learn something.

757
00:47:58.739 --> 00:48:02.699
And so this is this, it now becomes what that's about.

758
00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:09.239
So all of the dreamscape that she's experiencing in this near death experience she's having is all about her.

759
00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:16.559
And so now we have all the characters wandering around talking about her and what she's like and she has.

760
00:48:16.619 --> 00:48:21.420
Yeah, see, he's Chakotah actually saying that to her, are you interpreting these?

761
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:29.519
These are symbols in your subconscious, and that's something that's come from that conversation that she had with him before, although that might not have been real.

762
00:48:29.579 --> 00:48:39.119
Anyway, it doesn't, yeah, no. in one brilliant moment going, you know, this is what has brought your dishonour, Balana, and to the gates of Greth.

763
00:48:39.179 --> 00:48:40.500
When she gets to camp it up a bit.

764
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:40.980
She wonderful.

765
00:48:41.340 --> 00:48:47.820
But look, and so here is Miral, but in Janeway's uniform, right?

766
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:57.719
And it looks like we're on the barge now, the way it's being shot, even though we're still on the Voyager set, you know, like it's still those Dutch angles and the brown and all of that.

767
00:48:57.780 --> 00:48:59.760
She goes, forget the ritual.

768
00:48:59.820 --> 00:49:00.420
It's meaningless.

769
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:01.739
Like God, somebody said it.

770
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:03.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.

771
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:04.320
But that's it.

772
00:49:04.380 --> 00:49:16.980
So this is where it just becomes really, really overwrought, I think, because it's all about what we know about B'Elana from her one paragraph bio.

773
00:49:16.980 --> 00:49:22.260
And, you know, it's the same conflict that occurs in every B'Elana episode.

774
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:27.900
So... just like lineage, people just shouting hysterically at each other.

775
00:49:28.619 --> 00:49:30.480
That's not dramatic.

776
00:49:30.539 --> 00:49:32.280
I think it is, but it's not.

777
00:49:32.340 --> 00:49:33.840
It's daytime soap drama.

778
00:49:34.019 --> 00:49:35.760
Yeah, yeah.

779
00:49:35.820 --> 00:49:36.719
And that's a good job.

780
00:49:36.780 --> 00:49:41.940
I did really like, I really liked her mother saying, um, I'll see you in...

781
00:49:41.940 --> 00:49:45.119
Stovercorn, or maybe when you get home.

782
00:49:45.179 --> 00:49:46.980
I do really like that line.

783
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:48.900
And that was underplayed.

784
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:51.000
So he actually had a bit of weight to it.

785
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:58.739
And I did like seeing her in the uniform as well because it is sort of making explicit that Janeway is the surrogate mother.

786
00:49:58.800 --> 00:49:59.460
Yeah, exactly right.

787
00:49:59.820 --> 00:50:02.039
And then that is then paid off in the last scene.

788
00:50:02.099 --> 00:50:04.679
Beautifully paid off in the last scene.

789
00:50:04.739 --> 00:50:06.300
Silently, I think.

790
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:07.380
I don't think they say a word.

791
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:13.260
No, but my God, you act as to your best work on Voyager when you're not given terrible dialogue, say.

792
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:14.760
That's right.

793
00:50:14.820 --> 00:50:15.300
That's right.

794
00:50:18.420 --> 00:50:21.300
Oh, she wheels the bat lift quite well, but yeah, this is...

795
00:50:21.300 --> 00:50:23.820
Tell me what you want me to be. blah, blah, blah.

796
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:24.900
A good star beat, officer.

797
00:50:24.900 --> 00:50:26.460
A good marquee.

798
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:27.420
A lover.

799
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:28.440
A daughter?

800
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:31.860
Jesus like, come on.

801
00:50:31.860 --> 00:50:38.639
Nathan, just tell me what you want from me. that's right We only want you.

802
00:50:38.699 --> 00:50:41.519
We're not your enemies, defend yourself.

803
00:50:41.579 --> 00:50:42.659
God.

804
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.659
And all of this is, oh, my God.

805
00:50:45.780 --> 00:50:47.880
And then she throws the weapon away and stuff.

806
00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:51.000
But like, she's not very much like that.

807
00:50:51.059 --> 00:50:55.619
Like she is generally just doing plot functions and stuff.

808
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:58.920
Yeah, that's quite a good shot where she's going into the sea. yeah.

809
00:50:58.980 --> 00:51:01.199
Flash of lightning just made it come alive.

810
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:02.400
Yeah.

811
00:51:02.460 --> 00:51:04.980
But yeah, all of that stuff, don't you think?

812
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:08.400
It's just sort of bullshit, really, and a little bit overraw.

813
00:51:08.460 --> 00:51:10.139
Like who thinks like that?

814
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:15.119
I don't think anyone in real life says, I'm so tired of fighting.

815
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:17.099
They're so tired of fighting.

816
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:19.619
That's definitely a soap line, isn't it?

817
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:43.619
But if you think about her as a precursor to Starbucks, you know, who is religious, and who is properly defensive and has things to prove, and it behaves like that all the time, not just in episodes where it's about that, where I think that, you know, Starbucks is not a 1000000 miles away from B'Elana's character.

818
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:45.119
It's like B'lana Dunright.

819
00:51:45.179 --> 00:51:45.719
I don't think?

820
00:51:45.780 --> 00:51:50.699
I can see him taking this seed of a character and creating Starbuck out there.

821
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:55.380
And that's sort of the fire in the belly as well, you know, but all the anxiety is underneath.

822
00:51:55.500 --> 00:51:58.320
They're, oh, their look.

823
00:51:58.380 --> 00:51:59.760
This.

824
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:00.599
That's so nice.

825
00:52:00.659 --> 00:52:02.340
The weight, oh, there's time.

826
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:03.420
Fuck off, Robert.

827
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:05.159
This is not about you, this scene.

828
00:52:05.219 --> 00:52:06.300
Go away.

829
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:10.440
Like, he touches the small of a back, the fucking creep.

830
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:12.360
It's having a moment.

831
00:52:12.539 --> 00:52:15.659
They're having a moment, the 2 of them, you know?

832
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:18.780
Yeah, he has to come up and inject himself into it.

833
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:26.940
No, I like the way the Kate Margaret holds her back that way. in a way that when you're really, really protecting somebody.

834
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:32.820
But Kate is also smiling and a bit surprised.

835
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:34.199
Do you know what I mean?

836
00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:38.579
Like, she's surprised and pleased that this is what this is what's happening.

837
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:40.380
I just thought it was so real.

838
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:48.900
It was a really really good moment. and um Roxanne buries herself in Kate Mulberry's neck as well.

839
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.659
It's just, it's just, it's so intimate.

840
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:54.539
And yeah, you don't really get a lot of this in Voyager.

841
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:55.440
Really.

842
00:52:55.500 --> 00:52:56.519
And you could.

843
00:52:56.579 --> 00:53:01.380
Like, you know, the thing that discovery does is that everyone loves everyone.

844
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:02.400
Do you know what I mean?

845
00:53:02.460 --> 00:53:14.280
and some people find that tire somewhere over the top, but this would have worked in Voyager because, you know, Tuvoc and Janeway are old friends.

846
00:53:14.340 --> 00:53:19.619
You know, B'Elana is reminded of her mother by Janeway.

847
00:53:19.739 --> 00:53:29.219
Janeway cares about Harry because, you know, he's about the age her son would be if she had a son and he doesn't have his mother with him.

848
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:34.739
You know, all of these things are built into the premise, and these people aren't just workmates.

849
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:36.719
They live on the ship.

850
00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:39.659
So they could be doing this stuff.

851
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:41.940
They spent so much time telling us that they're a family.

852
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:43.679
I mean, Janeway states it a lot.

853
00:53:43.739 --> 00:53:44.639
We never see it.

854
00:53:44.699 --> 00:53:45.780
Show us.

855
00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:46.139
Yeah.

856
00:53:46.139 --> 00:53:48.119
Whereas actually, I think...

857
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:49.920
You know I always make the DSM comparison.

858
00:53:49.980 --> 00:54:00.239
But I think because on DS9 it's made up of families, so courtroom and nogs, are they always touching each other, relationships, Cisco and Cassidy, they're always touching each other.

859
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:07.199
Kira and Odo, like Bashir and O'Brien, weirdly, quite a tactile relationship.

860
00:54:07.260 --> 00:54:09.659
You know, so you see it.

861
00:54:09.659 --> 00:54:12.239
Evidence in front of you all the time.

862
00:54:12.300 --> 00:54:16.559
They don't, I don't think once DS9 has to say, oh, what a family we are.

863
00:54:16.619 --> 00:54:17.940
You know, we just see it every week.

864
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:20.760
Yeah, it's kind of a shame, isn't it?

865
00:54:20.820 --> 00:54:23.280
That is the actual proof of how good it could work.

866
00:54:23.340 --> 00:54:24.960
Yeah, that's right.

867
00:54:25.019 --> 00:54:26.099
That was a great moment.

868
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:31.739
And there was that scene with her and with Kate and her, maybe it doesn't work.

869
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:39.480
Like maybe Kate isn't properly persuaded by any sort of decent argument, but it's just well played by both of them.

870
00:54:39.539 --> 00:54:40.920
And I don't know.

871
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:51.539
What I will say about Bulger the Dead is I know I have been mean about Bulger in the past and talked about the 2 trilogies of terror in series 3 and series 5.

872
00:54:51.780 --> 00:54:58.019
Here you have the trilogy of, oh, I need a positive word that begins with T. Help me out here.

873
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:00.300
I don't know, tremendously.

874
00:55:00.300 --> 00:55:03.719
Trilogy of triumph. there we go There we go, even better.

875
00:55:03.780 --> 00:55:08.099
You get from more survival instinct, which is a really great 7 of 9 episode.

876
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:21.719
It's an episode all about where they crash land on a planet, her and a few Borg, back when she was Borg, and they've all got their individuality back for a 2nd and none of them know how to deal with it. really focusses on that brilliantly.

877
00:55:21.780 --> 00:55:27.599
But as a subplot, Voyager visit is there's pleasure world, where there's a sun in orbit.

878
00:55:27.659 --> 00:55:29.159
So there's sunlight coming through the windows.

879
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:30.480
I can remember it vividly.

880
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:33.000
They're all getting to all sorts of hijinks.

881
00:55:33.059 --> 00:55:34.320
It's a really brilliant episode.

882
00:55:34.380 --> 00:55:36.300
Then this, which works really, really well.

883
00:55:36.300 --> 00:55:47.099
And then next you get Tinker Taylor Tenor Spy, which is a brilliant doctor episode, and it's a fantastic voyager comedy episode, and those are not words I put together very often.

884
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:53.519
I remember watching series 6 as it came out and I watched those 3 episodes in succession.

885
00:55:53.579 --> 00:56:00.119
I even quite like Scorpion 2 at the time, I think, as well, thinking, my God, Voyager, it's on its own now.

886
00:56:00.179 --> 00:56:04.679
DS9 has ended and they're really delivered, unfortunately, then Alice comes after that.

887
00:56:04.739 --> 00:56:16.500
And then the rest of season 6 goes jarringly between being superb, like Muse and Blink and Van Eye and Memorial and just agonisingly terrible.

888
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:26.940
Like, the one with the, the, the midgets that will sing opera, and, oh, God, I could go on.

889
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:29.159
But just for this tiny little period.

890
00:56:29.219 --> 00:56:32.039
It really felt as if Voyager was going to start delivering.

891
00:56:32.099 --> 00:56:34.199
And I think Ron Moore's got something to do with that.

892
00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:39.000
So I'm pleased we've covered this episode because it's a shining beacon of light.

893
00:56:39.059 --> 00:56:40.079
Voyages rum.

894
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:41.219
Yeah.

895
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:53.880
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to find out what we're doing next time.

896
00:56:53.940 --> 00:56:59.639
It was my go last week, and so it's your turn now.

897
00:56:59.699 --> 00:57:02.579
What series are we going to be choosing from?

898
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:13.440
Well, I do have the opportunity here to talk about the fabulous new feature on untitled Star Trek project.com that you have added, nothing to do with me, of course.

899
00:57:13.500 --> 00:57:28.980
And that is, um, what we calling it, the coverage page where you can see every single series of Star Trek, how many episodes we've covered of each in order, if you wish to select that, and the percentages that we've covered.

900
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:35.880
And it is clear that some things are sorely underrepresented in this podcast.

901
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:37.679
I'm just very quickly, actually.

902
00:57:37.739 --> 00:57:38.460
Do you mind?

903
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:40.559
I'm very quickly gonna tell everybody.

904
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:44.039
Strange New Worlds and short tricks, 20% covered.

905
00:57:44.099 --> 00:57:47.940
Star Trek, prodigy, 15.79%.

906
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.820
Star Trek movies, 15.38%.

907
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:58.199
The original series, 15% animated series, 13.64%, discovery, 13.56%.

908
00:57:58.260 --> 00:58:00.659
Picard 13.51%.

909
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:07.260
Somehow, unbelievably, given how many we've done of them, in 90s trek, coming at the bottom of the pole here.

910
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:18.780
DS9, 13.29, Voyager, 12.50, lower decks, 12.50, Enterprise, 10.31, and next generation, 10.23.

911
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:20.699
Now I was looking at this.

912
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:22.320
And I was like, how?

913
00:58:22.380 --> 00:58:24.000
It feels like we've done a lot of next gen.

914
00:58:24.059 --> 00:58:32.039
I think we've done 32 parters with next gen, which is obviously more running time, but less episodes because they're counted as well.

915
00:58:32.099 --> 00:58:41.519
No, so this is the number of actual episodes of the show that we've covered, not the number of episodes that we have recorded.

916
00:58:41.579 --> 00:58:44.579
So when we do a two-part of that counts as two.

917
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:49.739
There are 176 episodes of Star Trek the Next Generation.

918
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:51.420
We've done 18 of them.

919
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:59.940
A few of them have been two partisan, so we've actually recorded somewhat less, less, less, less.

920
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:04.380
One possible direction we can go in then, and that is to choose the lowest.

921
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:06.059
Star Trek, the Next Generation.

922
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.519
We're going to watch one of those.

923
00:59:08.579 --> 00:59:10.500
So are you ready for me to press one?

924
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:11.039
I'm ready.

925
00:59:11.099 --> 00:59:12.719
Oh, come on.

926
00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:16.920
Use a code of honour.

927
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:22.079
We're definitely going to do it.

928
00:59:22.139 --> 00:59:24.179
You're a random Star Trek.

929
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:31.139
The next generation episode is season five, episode five, disaster.

930
00:59:31.260 --> 00:59:33.300
Oh, I love disaster.

931
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:34.320
That's wonderful.

932
00:59:34.380 --> 00:59:36.420
We've talked about that all the time.

933
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:37.920
When we talk about disaster.

934
00:59:37.980 --> 00:59:41.880
The game and what's the one where they all become kids?

935
00:59:41.940 --> 00:59:43.739
Oh, rascals.

936
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:44.639
Rascals.

937
00:59:44.699 --> 00:59:46.679
We always talk about.

938
00:59:46.739 --> 00:59:49.139
I mean, well, that's a foregone conclusion.

939
00:59:49.260 --> 00:59:52.139
I'm putting my phone down right now.

940
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:54.059
Okay, we're done. brilliant.

941
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:54.719
Disaster.

942
00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:55.619
What an absolute fake.

943
00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:57.659
I think Ron Moore's got something to do with that episode.

944
00:59:57.719 --> 00:59:59.639
Is that the one that's written by committee?

945
00:59:59.699 --> 01:00:02.400
I swear there's about 16 names on that screen.

946
01:00:02.460 --> 01:00:06.659
It's possible that each subplot is written by a different group of people.

947
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:09.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

948
01:00:10.019 --> 01:00:11.639
Oh, wow. awesome.

949
01:00:11.699 --> 01:00:12.119
Wow.

950
01:00:12.179 --> 01:00:13.320
And we get to see.

951
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:18.719
Paul Patrick Stewart stuck with those terrible kids that can't act in the turbo lift. for the whole episode.

952
01:00:18.780 --> 01:00:19.980
Oh, it's wonderful.

953
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:27.300
Oh, and Marina, sitting in the captain's chair, like she owns the place. giving birth to Keiko's baby.

954
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:30.960
So good.

955
01:00:40.260 --> 01:00:44.880
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

956
01:00:44.940 --> 01:00:51.300
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

957
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:57.119
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

958
01:00:57.179 --> 01:01:02.579
This episode was recorded on the 23rd of April 2024 and released on the 10th of May.

959
01:01:02.699 --> 01:01:06.000
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the Next Generation.

960
01:01:06.059 --> 01:01:07.320
Disaster.

961
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:27.420
Oh, that's great choice.

962
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:28.920
That's so good.

963
01:01:28.980 --> 01:01:30.840
Thank you randomiser.

964
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:33.539
Forgive me. a good next generation episode. fun.

965
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:35.400
That's so fun. was really great.

966
01:01:35.460 --> 01:01:37.139
That was the 1st one.

967
01:01:37.139 --> 01:01:38.039
Yeah.

968
01:01:38.099 --> 01:01:38.579
Yeah.

969
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:40.679
Sometimes sometimes it lands.

970
01:01:40.739 --> 01:01:42.719
Let's just see what I would have got next.

971
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:44.039
Yeah, yeah.

972
01:01:44.099 --> 01:01:45.360
Oh, that's a good one again.

973
01:01:45.420 --> 01:01:45.900
Relics.

974
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:48.059
Yeah, relics is not bad.

975
01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:50.219
Oh, yesterday's Enterprise.

976
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:51.420
My God, what have you got this?

977
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:51.960
Setter.

978
01:01:52.019 --> 01:01:52.739
Good episodes.

979
01:01:52.860 --> 01:01:54.719
Oh there you go.

980
01:01:54.780 --> 01:01:56.519
That would have been fun anyway, though.

981
01:01:56.579 --> 01:01:57.539
Night, night terrors.

982
01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:58.260
Night terrors.

983
01:01:58.320 --> 01:01:59.820
Who are you?

984
01:02:01.739 --> 01:02:07.260
Do you remember the flights are entirety episode for the Doctor Who night terrace episode?

985
01:02:07.380 --> 01:02:08.940
The, um...

986
01:02:08.940 --> 01:02:10.920
Wait a sec.

987
01:02:10.980 --> 01:02:12.000
I think I can find it.

988
01:02:15.059 --> 01:02:17.159
Yeah, running a 2nd it's 20 past 11.

989
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:18.840
Wait a sec.

990
01:02:18.900 --> 01:02:20.039
Yeah.

991
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:29.340
Uh, so this is Night Terrors, and I do the hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

992
01:02:29.579 --> 01:02:37.800
Well, we've been trapped in this rift for nearly a month now, and the crew of the USS Britain, have made no effort at all to lighten our mood.

993
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:46.260
As we descend into chaos and madness, it looks like only Councillor Troy's one moon circling can save us from our night terrace.

994
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:49.139
Because she, her bum.

995
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:52.440
Her massive, generous ass.

996
01:02:52.500 --> 01:02:54.900
It's wonderful and so good.

997
01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:56.280
So good.

998
01:02:56.340 --> 01:02:58.019
How did they shoot that?

999
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:00.599
They just shoot her from below.

1000
01:03:00.659 --> 01:03:01.380
I guess.

1001
01:03:01.500 --> 01:03:03.360
Jesus Christ.

1002
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:05.159
I mean, when we do eventually do that one.

1003
01:03:05.219 --> 01:03:08.340
Believe next chance, it feels like we've done loads.

1004
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:10.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1005
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:27.840
So the ones that are under, like the ones that are under the, you know, the, uh, so next gen, Enterprise and lower decks and Voyager are all under the 12.69%, which is the total.

1006
01:03:27.900 --> 01:03:33.179
So we've done 12.69% of Star Trek itself.

1007
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:41.219
Deep Space 9 comes in just above that at 13.29, 23 episodes Voyager with 21 episodes.

1008
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:43.800
You realise that.

1009
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:52.500
If there's 9 comes in at the highest and we've only done 23 episodes, we haven't actually covered a full season of some amount of episodes of any one of those series.

1010
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:55.380
No, because that's 14% or something, isn't it?

1011
01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:58.559
It's got 6 seasons of each of them to go.

1012
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:00.480
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1013
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:04.380
We'll be doing this...

1014
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:06.960
Yeah, I'm already there half the time.

1015
01:04:07.019 --> 01:04:08.940
Oh, the hell.

1016
01:04:08.940 --> 01:04:10.980
All right.

1017
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:12.300
Well, I enjoyed that one.

1018
01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:13.380
Yeah, that was fun.

1019
01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:14.039
That's a good one