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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back at what is very nearly the beginning of my experience of Star Trek, the franchise.

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We're doing early Star Trek, The Next Generation, and it's series 3, episode three, The Survivors, which goes out on the 9th of October, 1989.

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And so, we had a rough year one, a pretty dreadful year too affected by the rider strike, and this is where Star Trek finally pulls it together and becomes the thing that we remember it being.

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Right here.

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I think.

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I think this episode is where the gear goes up or how do you describe it?

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The ceiling raises.

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You know?

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Or the floor goes up.

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I can't remember what best 4 you use now.

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But yes, I think this is the point where Star Trek Next Generation goes from being a rather embarrassing copy on the original series to actually trying to find some kind of an identity for itself.

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I do think that evolution and ensigns of command, which are the 1st 2 episodes of series 3, are more like this than they are like series 2 or series one.

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Problem with those 2 is, though.

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I think evolution is completely shipbound.

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So it's doing the sort of included a lot in series 2 and the instance of command features the colony set, which obviously would go on to guest star in many an episode to come.

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But it does feel like a bit of a cheapie.

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I feel, I think the biggest indication is that we've gone outside for the 1st time.

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Yes.

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Well, we used to, we did it once in series two.

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And you and Picard rode a horse, but actually we're on location and it suddenly feels like production levels.

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And interestingly, what comes with that writing and directing levels are all taking a little shift in the right direction.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So this is written by a guy called Michael Wagner, who does a sort of stint of 5 episodes or so at the beginning of series 3, but ultimately, I think isn't kind of a fit for the show.

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And then...

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He's involved as sort of co-executive producer in the 1st 5 or so.

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I think this is the only one that he gets a sort of onscreen writing credit for, but I'm not entirely sure.

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And it's directed by Les Landau, who has been sort of 1st assistant director for a couple of years and just goes on to have a massive Star Trek career.

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One of those entries in memory alpha where you just have to keep scrolling that he's done so many episodes. yeah.

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I think he does an enterprise.

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Like he lasts for quite a long time on the show.

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And it's just kind of competently done.

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And I tell you what, just going out on a lawn, like they go to a house in Malibu or something, like that's all they do.

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There's a lawn and a house exterior.

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It's so refreshing house.

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It's so good Like I kind of understand why they don't do it very often because, you know, do we want to do endless quarries?

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How do we make outside look like a space thing?

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Like all of that's clearly a problem and it's a problem the original show had as well.

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But this show is really reluctant to go outside in a way that the original show wasn't always.

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And gosh, it makes a difference.

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It's just one scene or or 2 scenes.

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In order for this episode to work, you have to go outside, I think, to show the contrast between that sort of blasted heath of a planet and the lush, they couldn't pull it off as an indoor phone, I don't think.

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And actually there's a scene in the middle of the episode where they're clearly shooting it at dusk and there's this sort of golden haze to everything.

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It just looks so visually interesting compared to the boring indoors outdoors that they normally do.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, like these days, they do use the studio sets still, don't they, for planet exteriors that actually happened last week.

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But of course, they're much better at creating visually striking planetary surfaces in the studio, just because they've got the effects wall and stuff.

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But even so, going outside, you get vistas and horizons and skies and all sorts of things and the cameras freer to do stuff than it is normally.

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And so it makes a real difference, I think, here.

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So insane, though, right, with it, like, step back from it for a 2nd about how unusual it is for Star Trek to be shot on location.

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Like every other show on television ever shoots on location all the time.

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Yeah.

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But I mean, the difficulty is that they're trying to be the 24th century.

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And so they're pretty limited in the kinds of locations that they work, that sort of thing. you know, to plantation, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But it really, it really works.

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This has only 2 sort of major guest stars as well.

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Excellent, I think.

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I think they are both excellent.

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They're playing botanists in their 80s, but they're actually much younger than that.

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And that was the most shocking thing in the memory alpha article, which is that Anne Haney, who plays Rashawn Uxbridge, is 55 years old. when we're shooting this, which is the same age that I am recording this.

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Imperceptible.

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Oh my god.

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Oh my god.

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So they're both really great.

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Oh, she is especially good.

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Oh, she's, you really have to feel for her.

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And you really have to feel her on that bit at the end on the enterprise.

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When Picard goes up to her, says, you know what?

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You're not real.

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Yeah, but she also like makes it clear why Kevin fell in love with her as well.

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And all of that is just sort of tremendously good.

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And so what we have is what I like about Star Trek, which is it's just a procedural.

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There's a mystery to be solved.

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There's no real attempt at world building here at all.

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None of the races like the Dowd.

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I said that I thought they got mentioned at the end of Discovery series 4, but I might be wrong about that.

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And then the Husnock, who get mentioned there the other alien racer get mentioned.

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They never get mentioned again either.

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So we're not world building.

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We're not creating, you know, a galaxy for this to take place.

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It's all right.

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We can't go to worlds that have their own history that we actually just start by one time and then never mention again.

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Otherwise, we're going to be juggling 500 empires by the end of the series, you know?

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Well, that's right.

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And in fact, it would be nice if that happened a little bit more often.

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And that's what I think this is.

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Before the spinoffs happen.

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When you've just had 2 Star Trek shows, the original series, including the animated series, I guess, and then this, where the premise is, the enterprise goes to a place and a space thing happens and they solve it and then they go away.

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There's no real need for world building.

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And what both shows do is some world building as they have, you know, recurring guest stars and shows have sequels to other shows and stuff, particularly in Next Jan. It starts to build the map, doesn't it?

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Exactly.

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And then stick in tent pegs of certain empires that we're going to go back to, but the rest are all one shot wonders.

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And then because Deep Space 9 in particular, Voyager less so, because they carve out a space on that map that Star Trek the Next Generation has drawn, they very much happened in a sort of pre-existing environment and they populate an area.

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You know, they are doing world building.

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And that's great.

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You know, that's what makes Deep Space 9 possible. steals the map, doesn't it?

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Right, we're having that, and we're going to rub all that out and we're going to add some more detail.

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Exactly.

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And particularly since space 9 continues running after the parent show has finished, and because they move Voyager out of Deep Space 9's way, so it's allowed to do all of that sort of politics and stuff, and it does exactly take over the map that Star Trek the Next Generation draws.

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But here, the other story that I thought of was Dharmok, where there is a space mystery, and the Tamarians never come up again until lower decks, where they come up as a gag, you know?

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And there's something about that that I like.

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This is the Star Trek that I wanted to watch when I was sitting down to watch Star Trek in the very late 1980s and early 1990s, I think.

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I can see why I love this.

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I think this is the point where I fell in love with the next generation.

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And I said to you on our chat bread, I felt watching this this morning, that sort of 1st time Frisson that I felt the 1st time I watched this, and I think it's because it's such a simple, but vivid premise, and I don't think they've really, the only other time, no, that hadn't come yet.

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Best of both worlds was the other time where I really, you know, when they go down onto the planet and there's huge craters there, the whole colony.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it's something you can so easily wrap your head around.

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But it's such a great mystery of like, why the hell is this square of grass and this house, this completely destroyed planet?

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And I think if it's not like the most sophisticated bit of writing we've ever seen, I think it does unpick the mystery at a good pace with some surprises and some good twists.

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So I can see why I was totally beguiled by this.

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I think sort of somewhere inside of me when I was, how old would I have been when this came out?

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What year did this come out?

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89.

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So I would have been 9 years old when I watched this.

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Yeah, probably 10.

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I hope we got a little bit later.

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I actually felt, my God, this is really good, whereas I would have been watching the next generation and going, it's all right, you know.

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My appreciation for it was on the rise.

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Yeah.

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Well, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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Yeah, why not?

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It's so lovely to be able to say lovely things about 90 Star Trek after we've been a bit mean lately as well.

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Yeah, I agree.

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This is the Star Trek we fell for.

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This is this is the romance.

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This is.

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Yeah, that's exactly right.

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All right, here goes.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Oh, establishing shot via surprise.

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The same shot.

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You totally didn't do a bottle shot every week.

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Yeah, pretty much.

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Oh, I mean, immediately, do you not feel comforted off to a colony planet, you know?

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Because I was walking around the bridge going, hmm.

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I wonder what we're going to find here, number one.

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It's very staid.

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Like, I understand the the complaint that original Trek fans had about next generation, that it was very wordy and not very action oriented, and there is a whole heap of just sort of standing around.

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But this is what I tuned into, these people doing their jobs.

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Now, here is Deanna in this outfit for the 1st time.

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Oh, for the very 1st time.

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What, that blue outfit?

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Oh, I like it when Captain Jellicoe comes on and it goes, uh, counsellor, I prefer a bit more formality in my British career members.

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Get a Starfleet uniform on.

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I think that the camera does spend a lot of time looking at her breasts.

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That could have been me.

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I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure whether it was a camera or me.

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I'm not sure what I was saying about you.

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I think Dr. Everly looks great though in her uniform and her hair nice and short.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yep.

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Although in a minute, right?

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She goes down, um, there's a there's a number of wonderful tracking shots going down corridors in this sort of low angle ones. and Dr. Beverly is going down there and Games McFadden could not be more robotic delivering this expiratory dialogue to Patrick Stewart.

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Well, we said it a 1000000 times, hadn't we?

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Yeah, when she's given real things to say, she says in a realistic way.

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And when she's given Star Trek exposition...

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Weird robot stuff to say.

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Suddenly the ring data.

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Yep.

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Wesley as well.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, and they're getting to sit up now because it's series three.

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I don't know when they made that change.

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It's nice to see.

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Uniforms.

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It's a lot nicer than the old ones.

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Have you noticed?

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Yep, yep.

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A bit more relaxed.

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Although, I don't know what that is on Picard's right breast there.

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It's like his fags, is it?

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Like he's got a bag of fags.

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I've got to get through this chute somehow.

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It's like a radio mic or something.

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I don't quite know what that is.

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It's an alarmingly protruding nipple.

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Yeah, maybe.

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But that's a great visual, isn't it?

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Like, that's a really, really good visual.

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It's a really striking thing. in realms on another way.

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The only thing that's left.

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Well, I think in a minute. the fabulous matte painting they do.

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And then it scans across to the location work.

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All right, it maybe it's not as sophisticated as it would be now, obviously, but it's arresting.

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It's an arresting image.

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Yeah, I remember being like, I can't tell.

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I'm not sure whether I'm watching the old effects or the new effects.

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But this seems sort of sympathetic with whatever we had originally.

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It's funny.

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The dialogue does say that the house is directly in the middle of the square, but clearly that's not what we actually see.

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I think that sourcer section is a bit top heavy.

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Well, it doesn't have to land or anything.

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It would fall over if it lands.

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I was just hoping to never design a plane like that, would they?

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just sort of go straight over.

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It doesn't need to be aerodynamic because it's in space.

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And as you keep reminding me, it's not in fact real.

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There aren't a 1000 people, you know.

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In fact, it's probably too aerodynamic, to be honest.

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You know what I mean?

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All those smooth curves and stuff like that.

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It doesn't need to be that aerodynamic.

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It could look like a cyber truck and it would still go through space.

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It'd be fine.

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Here we go now.

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The title sequence is still going on.

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Are those top sequences of Kurtzman Trek this long?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they've got about 32 executive producers to list.

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They fill the screen with pretty images, you know?

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Yeah, we're well destructed nowadays.

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Well, this is just a remount of the 60s Star Trek titles, isn't it?

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It's just the spaceship keeps coming at you over and over again.

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Now, is this map shot in a minute?

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Is it enhanced?

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Have they done something new to it for the...

222
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I don't know.

223
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I don't know.

224
00:15:25.139 --> 00:15:26.519
Yeah, no, I don't know.

225
00:15:26.580 --> 00:15:28.799
Oh, this is typical Troy.

226
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She goes, I'll sense there's something wrong here.

227
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It's something's not quite right.

228
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No, sorry, I can't give you anything more than that.

229
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She goes.

230
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And she's empathic, but she can apparently detect people from like 100s of kilometres away as well.

231
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Like, she said earlier, I know, it should be, I should be able to feel them by now.

232
00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:49.919
There's no one on the planet I should be able to sense that.

233
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That's all sort of shift given what the script needs her to do from week to week.

234
00:15:54.899 --> 00:15:56.519
You know, sometimes it's when they beam in.

235
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Other times it's when they're on the planet.

236
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So we need to establish that she has the powers here.

237
00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.679
Yeah, that just looks like a map painting, doesn't it?

238
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painting.

239
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I appreciate it.

240
00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:08.100
Yeah.

241
00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:09.419
No, no, I agree.

242
00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:16.139
And there's something like there's a little bit where they sort of beam them in that just amazing.

243
00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:18.480
The camera's moving as they transport.

244
00:16:18.539 --> 00:16:22.440
You can actually see if you look close to which, but it's the real grass.

245
00:16:22.500 --> 00:16:23.879
They're outside.

246
00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:26.940
There are trees and grass.

247
00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:30.059
You can see the act is visibly relaxing, you know?

248
00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:31.259
My God, fresh air.

249
00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:31.799
Yeah, yeah.

250
00:16:31.860 --> 00:16:34.799
Oh, just the lighting and everything.

251
00:16:34.860 --> 00:16:36.960
It's so nice seeing them in the sun.

252
00:16:37.019 --> 00:16:38.759
It's just terrific.

253
00:16:38.820 --> 00:16:40.200
And what's about to happen now?

254
00:16:40.259 --> 00:16:43.860
I think it's really absolutely superb.

255
00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:45.779
Like, it's really broad.

256
00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:50.279
But it puts them definitely in that location.

257
00:16:50.340 --> 00:16:54.419
You know, they're not just standing around as usual.

258
00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:58.200
You know how rarely this sort of managers to do action.

259
00:16:58.259 --> 00:17:01.919
But this, he walks over to knock on the door, which also fantastic.

260
00:17:01.980 --> 00:17:04.980
And then the trap gets noticed.

261
00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:09.299
And then that, which is so great. smacks into that pole.

262
00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:10.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

263
00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:15.720
And now he's hanging upside down for the rest of the scene and he's absolutely not bothered.

264
00:17:15.779 --> 00:17:18.000
Like, he's not even remotely put out.

265
00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:23.039
And, you know, like he doesn't, you know, not even his voice changes.

266
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It's wonderful.

267
00:17:23.700 --> 00:17:27.359
I just want you to look at the trees swaying in the background there, right?

268
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Just focus on that for a 2nd and how natural it is today is.

269
00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:33.359
Now, next time we go into stock forest set number 58.

270
00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:38.400
Watch the trees in the background there as they sort of wiggle them about a bit.

271
00:17:38.940 --> 00:17:45.000
Actually, look out the window like later on when we're inside the house.

272
00:17:45.059 --> 00:17:47.039
Why didn't we look out the window?

273
00:17:47.099 --> 00:17:48.480
too badly done, though.

274
00:17:48.539 --> 00:17:50.220
No, but it, yeah.

275
00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:55.799
But I think having seen the real outside helps to sell that, I think.

276
00:17:55.859 --> 00:17:59.460
We're so easily pleased Having seen the real outside.

277
00:17:59.579 --> 00:18:01.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

278
00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:04.559
Yeah, I think maybe and smoked quite a lot.

279
00:18:04.619 --> 00:18:08.579
It may have become the longest running joke on UTSP, you know.

280
00:18:10.619 --> 00:18:21.240
So we're establishing now there was this great spaceship that blotted out the sky, came along and destroyed everywhere, but they've got no clue why they have survived.

281
00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:29.700
And one of the things that this show can't do because it doesn't want to be about that is that it can't illustrate how traumatised they are.

282
00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:34.200
So she's actually really kind of, you know, charming and happy.

283
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Have some tea.

284
00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:37.079
You know, she seems kind of unaffected by it.

285
00:18:37.140 --> 00:18:42.480
And I think that there's a good in story reason for that.

286
00:18:42.539 --> 00:18:46.920
And it may be one of the things that they could have lampshaded.

287
00:18:46.980 --> 00:18:55.019
Like why is Rashon not more upset than she choosing to remember her as delightful where she ever was.

288
00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:57.480
So it doesn't in story, it makes sense.

289
00:18:57.539 --> 00:19:00.660
But from our point of view, in this scene, we're like, okay.

290
00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:04.380
No, but the characters don't notice that that's weird.

291
00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:18.839
And I think, you know, one of the things that this show doesn't do is that it doesn't actually do the thing where we see the stuff affecting the characters.

292
00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:20.940
And that's a problem.

293
00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:22.079
Do you know what I mean?

294
00:19:22.140 --> 00:19:26.819
We don't actually see any of this stuff that happens affecting any of the characters emotionally.

295
00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:28.680
We do get Troy.

296
00:19:28.740 --> 00:19:29.700
Do you know what I mean?

297
00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:31.619
But no one else is affected by it.

298
00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:34.079
And I think that that's the difference.

299
00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:36.059
That's the missing beast here.

300
00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:44.039
I think this is a wonderful mystery, but and all of our characters are just their jobs and no one's affected emotionally by what happens here.

301
00:19:44.099 --> 00:19:54.299
And that's not true of Dharmok, for instance, you know, the show can still be liked, this can still be a procedural, but have more character stuff.

302
00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:55.259
What about this interior?

303
00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:56.700
Because they're scared.

304
00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:58.140
I really like this interior.

305
00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:00.660
It feels like it's going way off, doesn't it, in another direction?

306
00:20:00.779 --> 00:20:05.160
It means there's some depth to the set as well.

307
00:20:05.220 --> 00:20:07.259
It's not just a 4 wall set.

308
00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:08.579
Exactly.

309
00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:11.039
It's not the tiny corner of the set that they're shooting in.

310
00:20:11.099 --> 00:20:12.839
It's a decent size sand.

311
00:20:12.900 --> 00:20:16.920
And so they do go to the effort of building that window with plants outside.

312
00:20:16.980 --> 00:20:19.079
So it does feel like the inside of that house.

313
00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:24.839
Although you were mean about the window in the masterpiece society, I have to say.

314
00:20:24.900 --> 00:20:25.859
Yeah, but no.

315
00:20:25.859 --> 00:20:29.099
Yeah, that's because they were putting dreadful special effects in the window.

316
00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:30.779
Yeah, now look at this.

317
00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:31.619
Look at this.

318
00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:33.839
The music box is beautiful.

319
00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:42.180
And I think it was the Deanna Troy side of this episode that really got me when I 1st because I think she plays the pain of hearing that music really, really well.

320
00:20:43.019 --> 00:20:45.660
I actually think it's a little bit much.

321
00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:48.539
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

322
00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:55.019
Okay, well, I'm going to play this music box music for you for the next 10 years and see how hysterical you get.

323
00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:56.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

324
00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:58.980
I like the bit where she goes.

325
00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:01.079
It's it's real.

326
00:21:02.700 --> 00:21:04.319
That's right.

327
00:21:04.380 --> 00:21:05.579
I think it's fun.

328
00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:06.599
Do you know what I mean?

329
00:21:06.660 --> 00:21:07.619
But I think it is a bit much.

330
00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:10.619
I mean, look, props are giving us how to do, all right?

331
00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:11.460
Let's give him that.

332
00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:12.240
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

333
00:21:12.299 --> 00:21:16.980
And I really like how they're foregrounding that in this scene.

334
00:21:16.980 --> 00:21:19.799
And it's them dancing later on.

335
00:21:19.859 --> 00:21:21.779
We will see them actually dancing.

336
00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:28.259
It does kind of make sure that we know as the audience that they're causing it somehow.

337
00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:30.059
It's for a reason, isn't it?

338
00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:33.900
Obviously, he doesn't want her to read him to realise, yeah.

339
00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:35.940
Yeah, he's alone on the planet and she's fake.

340
00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:38.640
I did notice a ceiling in that set as well there for a second.

341
00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:41.819
I know we're pointing out all of these sort of production things.

342
00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:42.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

343
00:21:42.900 --> 00:21:45.059
We don't see that very often either in 90s direct.

344
00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:45.299
No.

345
00:21:45.299 --> 00:21:46.019
There it is.

346
00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:46.859
Yeah, look behind them there.

347
00:21:46.980 --> 00:22:08.039
So the one thing in this scene that I thought was really good, which is the only thing that we do to kind of emphasise the loss that Rashon feels is where Rashon says, oh, we have lovely tea here on Rana, it grows wild all over the forests and then over the veals or whatever, and then she realises what she said because it doesn't anymore.

348
00:22:08.099 --> 00:22:14.880
And I thought that was really good and it wasn't dwelt on, you know, like it was like a nice little moment, I thought.

349
00:22:14.940 --> 00:22:15.960
Oh, look at this.

350
00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:18.359
They're all around the observation lounge table.

351
00:22:18.420 --> 00:22:21.180
Yeah, all trying to fix together the mystery of this.

352
00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:22.380
Yeah, yeah.

353
00:22:22.380 --> 00:22:25.859
But then we saw a cup to Troy every now and again looking a bit discomfited.

354
00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:38.460
I've got to say, uh, my other half did come in at this and stayed with me for 5 minutes, watched quite a few counsellor troy scenes and left the room laughing his head off.

355
00:22:39.299 --> 00:22:40.740
Yes.

356
00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:42.180
I think I get that.

357
00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:43.319
I do get that.

358
00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:44.880
One of the interesting things about this.

359
00:22:44.940 --> 00:22:46.859
Watch, watch, Jonathan.

360
00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:53.940
Like, Jonathan, like, delivers dialogue that is directed at Picard, like here.

361
00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:59.880
He doesn't properly turn and look at Picard and deliver the dialogue. concerned about her.

362
00:22:59.940 --> 00:23:01.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

363
00:23:01.380 --> 00:23:01.740
Yeah.

364
00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.799
Yes, I don't know why they can't survive for longer, though.

365
00:23:07.859 --> 00:23:09.599
Like they don't like a colony.

366
00:23:09.660 --> 00:23:11.220
Like, why don't they have replicators?

367
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.140
I don't know what's happening here. like whatever.

368
00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:13.619
Okay.

369
00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:15.299
And then he goes, what is it?

370
00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:17.160
No, we don't want your replicators and shit.

371
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:17.819
I love it.

372
00:23:17.819 --> 00:23:18.359
She goes.

373
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:19.559
No, we do.

374
00:23:19.619 --> 00:23:20.039
Shut up.

375
00:23:20.099 --> 00:23:20.880
Yes.

376
00:23:20.940 --> 00:23:22.680
She's so wonderful.

377
00:23:22.740 --> 00:23:26.039
She's absolutely someone that I would be in love with for 50 years.

378
00:23:26.099 --> 00:23:37.200
She's brilliant in this, but I think she's even better in the season one, DS9 episode back to where she plays the judge at Dax's trial and has the line.

379
00:23:37.259 --> 00:23:40.859
I intend to be here until supper, not senility.

380
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:44.759
Look at this.

381
00:23:44.819 --> 00:23:45.960
That's a nice trick, yeah.

382
00:23:46.019 --> 00:23:47.700
It's really good, isn't it?

383
00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:49.140
It's very good.

384
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:52.740
I think I think in 3 they said, come on, we can do better than this.

385
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:53.880
Let's up our game.

386
00:23:53.940 --> 00:23:56.519
Well, and also we've got this set.

387
00:23:56.579 --> 00:23:58.380
Look at how long that corridor is.

388
00:23:58.500 --> 00:24:01.619
You know, I wish Michael sold this better.

389
00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:04.859
This, like, I love Michael in this.

390
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:15.960
I love when he goes up to Kevin Uxbridge and says you had a lot of gall, you know, menacing us with a phase that didn't work and he goes, I admire gall.

391
00:24:16.019 --> 00:24:19.440
And like he smiles and stuff like they're starting to work out.

392
00:24:19.500 --> 00:24:21.839
I start to realise there's comics. comedy potential.

393
00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:24.779
Later on, he goes, nice tea.

394
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:26.400
Yeah, he's drinking.

395
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.859
No, doesn't he say your big house?

396
00:24:28.980 --> 00:24:30.059
Nice tea.

397
00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:32.400
Oh, here she goes.

398
00:24:32.460 --> 00:24:34.799
Please make it stop.

399
00:24:34.859 --> 00:24:36.000
Oh, yeah, yeah.

400
00:24:36.059 --> 00:24:39.180
She's just a little bit too pathetic, I think, is the problem.

401
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:41.220
Oh, you heard that tune though?

402
00:24:41.220 --> 00:24:43.619
That tune is pretty rough.

403
00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:45.539
That's it.

404
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:46.740
I'm like, how should you know?

405
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:50.279
Just keep up appearances, she brushes her hair very quickly before Picard walks in.

406
00:24:50.339 --> 00:24:55.259
I like Picant going in to see that she's okay too, rather than Beverly, you know.

407
00:24:55.319 --> 00:25:03.359
I think that's one of the biggest strengths in this show, though, is that that sort of familial relationship that everybody has and how everybody is concerned for each other.

408
00:25:03.420 --> 00:25:04.859
We said before.

409
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:06.539
Yeah, but it's No, go on.

410
00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:07.019
Yeah.

411
00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:08.279
No, it's not discovery.

412
00:25:08.339 --> 00:25:09.059
Do you know what I mean?

413
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:20.700
They don't all love one another in the way that Discovery, the crew of Discovery do, but it is, you know, it is collegial and professional, but they do like one another and they work well together.

414
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:22.619
Look he's so charming in this scene.

415
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:29.339
I love the way he tries to offhand, he goes, well, we all have that melody that won't go away, Council Troy.

416
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:30.240
No, don't worry.

417
00:25:30.299 --> 00:25:38.220
Yeah, and what's good here too, is that she doesn't, like, this isn't a thing about her just bullshitting them and lying.

418
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:41.339
Like that's how she thinks she's going to play it when Picard comes in.

419
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:42.299
Do you know what I mean?

420
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:43.140
She's combing her hair.

421
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:48.839
She's decided she's just gonna, you know, and then he comes and expresses sympathy and she just tells him the truth.

422
00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:49.980
This is intolerable.

423
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:50.460
I can't.

424
00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:54.299
The only thing, like there's the 2 plots going on, isn't it?

425
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:57.779
There's this. her hearing the music and then there's the mystery on the planet.

426
00:25:57.839 --> 00:25:59.279
Obviously, the 2 of them are...

427
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:02.220
We kind of know that, but we don't know that yet.

428
00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:06.359
Well, we do because the music in the music in the...

429
00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:09.960
But the problem with these scenes is it's just the same thing over and over again.

430
00:26:10.019 --> 00:26:10.980
We cut back to Troy.

431
00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:11.759
She hears the music.

432
00:26:11.819 --> 00:26:13.619
She's in a lot of pain.

433
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:15.599
And there's no development of that plot.

434
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:24.000
She's just, it's just, whereas the other plot. is constantly changing, there's a little cat and mouth with the ship, you know, the mystery's deepening.

435
00:26:24.059 --> 00:26:27.960
We get answers, all that happens with the Council of Troy players.

436
00:26:28.019 --> 00:26:30.299
We get to the end and he comes along and goes, well, the music's gone.

437
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:35.400
I'm with, you know, as a B plot, it's a bit redundant.

438
00:26:35.460 --> 00:26:44.339
But I do like, I do like Dr. Beverly trying to find different ways to make a, effectively, at one point she goes, I'm going to put her in a coma.

439
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:46.920
It's the only way we should...

440
00:26:46.980 --> 00:26:47.460
That's right.

441
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:53.819
So it's come back.

442
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:56.220
Now, why has it come back now?

443
00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:09.240
Um, it's come back in order to get, oh, yeah, see this, see, this doesn't sort of fully land, I reckon, because he stakes his reputation on the, on the ship not being there and he's right.

444
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:12.960
And it should be, I don't know.

445
00:27:13.019 --> 00:27:19.559
Part of the other problem with this is this doesn't work because Picard plays his card so close to his chest.

446
00:27:19.619 --> 00:27:27.839
And because he won't reveal what he thinks is happening until the very end because that spoils it as a mystery for the audience.

447
00:27:27.900 --> 00:27:31.380
He truly knows until very near the end.

448
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:31.680
No.

449
00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:37.019
But, like, he's got a hunch that they're being pushed away, obviously.

450
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:38.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

451
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:55.859
But he should be suspicious already, I think, or should have said something like the, the fact that he's not angry at, um, you know, he's not particularly annoyed at wharf who has staked his reputation on the ship not being there anymore.

452
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.200
And now here the ship is.

453
00:27:58.259 --> 00:28:00.000
You know, he's scanned really thoroughly.

454
00:28:00.059 --> 00:28:03.359
He makes some remark about how thoroughly he's scanned.

455
00:28:03.420 --> 00:28:07.799
You know, Picard should be noticing that that's odd.

456
00:28:07.859 --> 00:28:09.059
Do you know what I mean?

457
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.119
Like, rather than just letting him be embarrassed and stuff.

458
00:28:12.180 --> 00:28:30.240
What I did like was as these encounters with the ship increased, Picard's sort of reaction to the danger in the verted commas got more relaxed and his line delivery, he was like, wow, yes, you know, Racer Shields, Mr. Mr. Riker.

459
00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:30.779
Yeah, yeah.

460
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:33.059
You know, he's playing it in a very knowing way.

461
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:33.960
Say something.

462
00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:34.980
You would say something.

463
00:28:35.700 --> 00:28:38.819
I suppose they're trying to hold back the twist as late as possible.

464
00:28:38.940 --> 00:28:39.839
Of course they are.

465
00:28:39.900 --> 00:28:40.440
Yeah, yeah.

466
00:28:40.500 --> 00:28:44.519
In order to make the mystery work and that's fine, but it just doesn't quite work.

467
00:28:44.579 --> 00:28:46.680
There's Geordie. 2nd cameo.

468
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:55.380
But I love the way that he delivers that kind of, that, it's like we're cutting to Geordie somewhere else in the studio, you know what I mean?

469
00:28:55.440 --> 00:29:02.819
And now across to our engineering expert, Jordy La Forge. and we cut to him and we get his little thing and then we cut away and I love that.

470
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:03.900
It's so telly.

471
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:06.180
It's so televisual. you know, you don't do it in a movie.

472
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.279
It's absolutely a television move, I think.

473
00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:10.079
You've got the director time yet, right?

474
00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:11.160
Three seconds.

475
00:29:11.220 --> 00:29:13.079
That's contract or obligation.

476
00:29:13.140 --> 00:29:15.059
I love his lips.

477
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.880
Yeah, I know I keep going on about them, but...

478
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:18.900
Yeah, he's a handsome man.

479
00:29:20.099 --> 00:29:22.500
Yes, and then...

480
00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:39.359
Well, another thing I did notice, you know, was during the sequences with the spaceship, they're doing that sort of dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, music, which, you know, we said it's a bit bland, but back in the day when I 1st listened to this, I used to love all that sort of battle music.

481
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:43.500
Yeah, look at this.

482
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:45.660
This has been shot at the end of the day, isn't it?

483
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:46.440
Look at look at the sun.

484
00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:46.980
Yes.

485
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:48.660
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

486
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.180
It's really golden, golden hour.

487
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:51.839
It's beautiful.

488
00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:56.220
And it, you know, it's, it is an idyllic little setting, isn't it?

489
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:57.420
I'd love a garden.

490
00:29:57.660 --> 00:29:59.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

491
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:05.220
You know, he's clinging onto a vision of what they had.

492
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:06.720
I think it's really well done.

493
00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:09.119
Yeah, yeah.

494
00:30:09.420 --> 00:30:11.579
But I love her.

495
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:12.599
Do you know what I mean?

496
00:30:12.660 --> 00:30:13.559
Like it...

497
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:14.700
Well, we like lucky women.

498
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:15.240
Don't worry.

499
00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:19.200
Yeah, no, but I've never turned anyone away from this house and I'm not going to start now.

500
00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:20.880
And you kind of think, yes, good for you.

501
00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:22.920
That's why he loves you.

502
00:30:22.980 --> 00:30:24.420
Please.

503
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:25.799
Oh, do anything.

504
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:27.599
Yeah, yeah come on.

505
00:30:27.660 --> 00:30:28.500
Oh, come on.

506
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:34.500
Just handle it a little bit more, you know, bravely.

507
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:43.859
The camera moving and all of that, like the way that that scene was directed, you know, like to emphasise, and even this, where she's kind of not properly in frame.

508
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:48.180
You know, like she's not addressing the camera, she's sort of turned away from it and stuff.

509
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.400
Like all of that stuff is really pretty good.

510
00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:53.220
Um, It's nice to hear.

511
00:30:53.220 --> 00:30:54.180
Yeah, as well, what it is.

512
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:55.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

513
00:30:55.380 --> 00:31:01.319
And they've decided not to use the sick basset because that's a bit more boring and boring how much slap she's got on her face there.

514
00:31:02.579 --> 00:31:03.299
Yeah, I know.

515
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.019
It's a very light, light lipstick.

516
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:09.119
And this is sort of Beverly's heavy blusher period.

517
00:31:09.180 --> 00:31:10.140
Look at her cheek.

518
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:11.519
Yes, yeah.

519
00:31:13.259 --> 00:31:16.740
I like pawn today in Sick Bay.

520
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:18.359
I better put a big horse back on.

521
00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:24.240
I mean, by the time you get to DS9, it calms down a lot, right?

522
00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:25.259
Kira and Max.

523
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:28.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. that's true Oh, I love this.

524
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:32.519
I did like this backstory about how, you know, she met him.

525
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.500
And within 2 hours, she proposed to him.

526
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:36.359
She close to him.

527
00:31:36.420 --> 00:31:40.859
Yes, I laughed out loud, actually, at the surprise there.

528
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:41.819
I thought it was lovely.

529
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:43.200
I thought it was so great.

530
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:46.319
Sorry, look out that window.

531
00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:47.039
That's not bad.

532
00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:49.740
As TNG goes, that's not what.

533
00:31:49.859 --> 00:31:50.339
That is.

534
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:51.119
Maybe that is.

535
00:31:51.180 --> 00:31:52.079
What is that?

536
00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:54.359
Let me just look. got some depth to it, isn't it?

537
00:31:54.420 --> 00:31:55.619
I don't know.

538
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:56.880
It can't be.

539
00:31:56.940 --> 00:31:58.440
They can't have shot indoors, surely.

540
00:31:58.559 --> 00:31:59.700
Oh, there you go.

541
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:01.140
He went, he went, nice house.

542
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:01.920
Nice tea.

543
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.200
Oh, yeah.

544
00:32:07.259 --> 00:32:13.319
Yeah, because that window does look like the window on the outside and I don't know, I can't even tell anymore.

545
00:32:13.380 --> 00:32:14.039
How about that?

546
00:32:14.099 --> 00:32:15.720
I'm so used to them never going outside.

547
00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:18.299
They only had a single day, believe, though.

548
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:22.559
One quote on memory acid, they had one day outside in Malibu.

549
00:32:22.619 --> 00:32:24.299
So there's no way they shot the whole thing in a day.

550
00:32:24.420 --> 00:32:26.940
No, no.

551
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:27.420
Yeah.

552
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:28.079
Yeah.

553
00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:30.119
That is pretty good. whatever's going on there.

554
00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:32.279
No, notice there's no wind at all.

555
00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:35.099
So it is pretty good though.

556
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.200
Look at how, isn't it?

557
00:32:37.259 --> 00:32:42.599
Like manhunt, yeah, was what, 3 episodes, 4 episodes from the end of series two.

558
00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:45.599
This is only 3 episodes into series three.

559
00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:49.380
And look at how visibly relaxed Patrick Stewart is.

560
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:51.359
Yeah, yeah, in comparison.

561
00:32:51.420 --> 00:32:52.559
Yeah.

562
00:32:52.619 --> 00:32:57.240
I think I think between 2 and three, he actually went, this is going to run.

563
00:32:57.900 --> 00:33:00.539
I'm going to put some effort into this now.

564
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:01.319
That's right.

565
00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:10.500
If this wasn't defeated by the rider strike, and if it was still renewed after series one, I think I'm stuck here for the next, you know, the next 5 years or whatever.

566
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:13.559
It's just so different about his voice as well. in one and two.

567
00:33:13.619 --> 00:33:17.160
He's doing this sort of clipped very in his voice.

568
00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:22.079
And now it's just, it is just a...

569
00:33:22.140 --> 00:33:26.880
Well, you know, who watches the watches comes after this and his performance in that is...

570
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:28.920
Incredibly good.

571
00:33:28.980 --> 00:33:34.980
And another great story where they go outside a lot as well, which really benefits from it.

572
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.660
All of this stuff is so interesting, isn't it?

573
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:40.799
That's the other thing too.

574
00:33:40.859 --> 00:33:43.200
Like he is actually speaking to Kevin.

575
00:33:43.259 --> 00:33:44.700
He's thinking aloud.

576
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:49.799
You know something about you has to be different for you to have survived this.

577
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:54.119
I like I like the randomness of him saying the colour of your eyes.

578
00:33:54.180 --> 00:33:56.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

579
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.779
And I also like this stuff too about pacifism.

580
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:06.839
So he says I'm someone of special conscience and Picard says that's your protected ride.

581
00:34:06.900 --> 00:34:19.619
So legally you can't be forced to fight in the Federation is what we're learning, which seems reasonable, that the Federation respects people who are conscientiously are unable to agree to fight.

582
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:26.699
Um, And it, and something happens, like that's interesting.

583
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:28.619
That's super interesting, I think.

584
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.320
Um, and we don't quite know why yet.

585
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.980
I like the fact that Picard says to her, what about you, Rashawn?

586
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:39.179
Because until that point, we're only worrying about his reaction to the conflicts.

587
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:47.940
And it's almost pointing the finger saying he's the only character here, how he feels, what he thinks about fighting is what's important.

588
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:51.179
But actually, shifting the focus on the obstacle, though.

589
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:59.099
Yeah, he is the obstacle though, and she seems to be kind of willing to allow him to be, but yes, yeah, I think it does foreshadow what we discover about her.

590
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:05.820
I don't think when I 1st watched this, I don't think at one point I didn't think she was, I thought she wasn't real.

591
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:10.619
I absolutely thought she was a real person and that the 2 of them were keeping some big secret.

592
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:12.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

593
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.380
You know, this does cheat a bit as well.

594
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:20.940
Like, this isn't this isn't a fair play mystery in the sense that you could have worked this out.

595
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.280
There was enough here for you to work it out.

596
00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:29.340
And part of the thing is that because Star Trek can help itself to omnipotent alien entities.

597
00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:30.599
Do you know what I mean?

598
00:35:30.659 --> 00:35:31.860
Anything could be real.

599
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:33.840
Like, literally anything could have happened.

600
00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:36.599
And so that's that is what we get here.

601
00:35:36.659 --> 00:35:40.980
So it's not quite a mystery in the sort of proper sense of the word where you play along at home.

602
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:47.340
When we watch Remember Me, where all the pieces were there for you to be able to figure out what was going on to Dr. Beverly and that.

603
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:50.460
I think maybe they got better at telling these sort of stories.

604
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:51.719
Yeah, that's right.

605
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.159
There's that moment, isn't there?

606
00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:58.619
if you're paying attention and if you remember it, you actually notice that she goes into the warp bubble.

607
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:02.880
But the direction was complicit with the mystery as well and remember me.

608
00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:04.679
Yes, that's right.

609
00:36:04.739 --> 00:36:05.280
That's right.

610
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.619
Whereas here they're sort of learning how to do it.

611
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:09.900
They're doing a good stab.

612
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:11.760
Oh yeah, look, I agree.

613
00:36:11.820 --> 00:36:12.239
I agree.

614
00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:17.340
So, um, Jama gave these 4 stars out of four.

615
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:18.780
What do they give who watches the watchers?

616
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.239
Oh, I didn't check actually.

617
00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:21.960
I didn't look.

618
00:36:22.019 --> 00:36:31.079
But see, because, and I think this is it, we've sort of said this before, Jammer likes this kind of Star Trek.

619
00:36:31.139 --> 00:36:33.659
It likes a procedural Star Trek.

620
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:35.880
And this is very well done procedural.

621
00:36:35.940 --> 00:36:37.199
It's not perfect.

622
00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:38.340
It's not there yet.

623
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:39.659
Do you know what I mean?

624
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:42.659
It's not there yet, but it's really good.

625
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:43.860
It's just well done.

626
00:36:44.219 --> 00:36:50.340
It does Star Trek the Next Generation things and it does them well. because it's so much better than what we've had already.

627
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.000
I think that's why I give this a huge pass.

628
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.559
Because this is the point where they're saying what we've done isn't good enough.

629
00:36:58.860 --> 00:37:15.719
No, but it's amazing because I do think that the previous 2 episodes are, that's also evident, even though there's problems with, um, you know, the guy, the main, the main guest guy in, um, evolution.

630
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:23.039
No instance of command, the main guest guy in Ensigns of Command is dubbed the entire way through.

631
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:23.699
Really?

632
00:37:23.699 --> 00:37:25.500
And you can absolutely tell.

633
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:31.199
They didn't like his voice and they couldn't reshoot or recast and so they got someone else to do his dialogue.

634
00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:33.179
Fabulous bloke from scrubs.

635
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:36.000
You know, that really obnoxious doctor from scrubs and evolution.

636
00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:52.920
But the bit where I realised they'd learned to chill out a bit was the bit where the nanites were all over the ship and Picard goes, you know, raised the shields and suddenly a brass band starts going, da, da, da, da, da, and the camera goes right in his face and he's like, what is going on?

637
00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:56.400
Well, that's this one too.

638
00:37:56.460 --> 00:37:57.300
Do you know what I mean?

639
00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:59.099
Like this is much more serious, I think.

640
00:37:59.219 --> 00:38:01.139
But this is camp.

641
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:01.739
Do you know what I mean?

642
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:05.579
Like there's a the sound of a music box is going through her head.

643
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:06.360
That's...

644
00:38:06.420 --> 00:38:07.559
I do like how they're playing it for real.

645
00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:08.039
I know.

646
00:38:08.099 --> 00:38:10.679
I mean, I think maybe that's why I liked it because it's so discordant.

647
00:38:10.739 --> 00:38:11.880
It's such a weird thing, isn't it?

648
00:38:11.940 --> 00:38:12.840
The music box.

649
00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:14.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah. torturing her.

650
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:19.559
But because it's played for real, I think that's why I was so invested in all of this.

651
00:38:19.619 --> 00:38:20.880
Now you're right.

652
00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:22.800
It is, it is a bit camp.

653
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:28.139
He is sharing something with Beverly here, though.

654
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:36.599
Like, he definitely suspects Kevin and Rashon, and he thinks that they might be behind the spaceship arriving.

655
00:38:36.659 --> 00:38:42.480
I like the cuts are Commander Riker every single time because he says it about 4 times in this.

656
00:38:42.539 --> 00:38:46.920
Then take us back to Rana and Raka's like, oh, God's sake.

657
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:49.440
Back and forth, back and forth.

658
00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:52.079
We're on our bus service, you know.

659
00:38:52.380 --> 00:38:58.199
Well, you know, the last time, and he goes, wait an hour, and then take us back.

660
00:38:58.260 --> 00:39:00.480
Is that just to give Deanna Troy a bit of respite?

661
00:39:00.539 --> 00:39:02.280
You know, as they get further away from the planet?

662
00:39:02.340 --> 00:39:04.320
Here's what I complained didn't happen.

663
00:39:04.380 --> 00:39:06.059
Forget your era, wharf.

664
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:07.980
There's no way that you could have prevented it.

665
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:10.679
So he doesn't, he doesn't explain.

666
00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:11.940
Do you know what I mean?

667
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:13.079
He doesn't tell anyone.

668
00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:14.699
Um, but...

669
00:39:14.699 --> 00:39:18.239
Um, actually, he's, he said there.

670
00:39:18.300 --> 00:39:20.280
I think it thinks it's runners off the good.

671
00:39:20.340 --> 00:39:22.139
So yeah, he does know.

672
00:39:22.260 --> 00:39:23.039
Yeah, doesn't he?

673
00:39:23.099 --> 00:39:29.639
Yeah, he knows, but he's not properly explaining it's protecting it responds to their wishes.

674
00:39:29.699 --> 00:39:31.559
He said indirectly or directly.

675
00:39:31.619 --> 00:39:34.440
I'm not sure So he's not sure if it's being done.

676
00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:49.199
So he is being more, he is being more upfront with them than I thought, but there does come a point in the episode where he just seems to be perversely kind of not giving them information. where they're dancing around the house.

677
00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:51.420
No, no, I mean, it's terrible dancing.

678
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:53.940
But then he says, oh, do you have a reason to celebrate?

679
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.099
You thought we were gold, you know?

680
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:59.460
Suddenly he's playing a few psychological games with them.

681
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:02.699
Oh, he has a dig at them later for dancing as well.

682
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:07.139
Like there's some line where he says he sneeringly refers to it again.

683
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.619
This is the 2nd time you've shown surprise at my appearance.

684
00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:19.679
I mean, if there was ever going to be an actor, I would trust with a better pretence like this, is Patrick Stewart.

685
00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:22.199
To keep the line a double meaning, you know?

686
00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:24.000
Yeah, he's good.

687
00:40:24.059 --> 00:40:24.719
He's probably good.

688
00:40:26.099 --> 00:40:38.699
Well, I think he, I think, like I said earlier, he's realising that actually this could be good television, if he puts his heart and soul into it, because I really don't think he was with those 1st 2 years.

689
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:41.519
No, this is a bit of a stupid line, isn't it?

690
00:40:41.579 --> 00:40:45.239
Like he just says, oh, well, the ship will just stay here for the rest of your lives.

691
00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:46.800
Do you know what I mean?

692
00:40:46.860 --> 00:40:49.619
It's just like, oh, okay, so you're gonna stay here for years, are you?

693
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:50.519
Is that the plan?

694
00:40:50.579 --> 00:40:52.679
You know, Rashon's only 55?

695
00:40:52.739 --> 00:40:55.139
Like, you know, they could be here for a while.

696
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:58.320
Um, But, yeah.

697
00:40:58.380 --> 00:41:00.059
It's just not 55...

698
00:41:00.059 --> 00:41:01.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

699
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:02.219
So it's Kevin.

700
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:05.880
I like her reaction to all this though, where she's really sort of perturbed.

701
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:11.699
Was she, like, neither of them likes seeing the other one upset, which I think is really good.

702
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:23.400
Like he says, I don't like seeing my wife frightened and she keeps saying to him, stop hurting my husband, you know, like he, and I guess that kind of works, doesn't it?

703
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:28.139
It, like, if at this point we think it's both of them.

704
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:30.000
We think it's both of them, don't we?

705
00:41:30.059 --> 00:41:32.880
Yeah, like, your twist is that it's not.

706
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:34.679
That's the twist now.

707
00:41:34.739 --> 00:41:42.360
And like you said, I don't think at any point you would know that you could figure out that he was the only person there that she isn't real.

708
00:41:42.420 --> 00:41:48.000
So maybe we needed a few more hints, but given how TNG generally hints towards the Twist.

709
00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:48.659
What about this question?

710
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:50.159
What about this question?

711
00:41:50.219 --> 00:41:55.440
If she was in danger, would you kill to save her life and he says, no, I would. wouldn't.

712
00:41:55.559 --> 00:42:12.900
And so that's when Picard concludes because she said that she doesn't share his pacifism, you know, but she decided to stay and not fight because he didn't want her to or because she was, you know, she wanted to be with him or something.

713
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:13.860
That's a lie.

714
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:17.039
He is representing her character, as she was.

715
00:42:17.340 --> 00:42:19.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

716
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.860
But the lie the lie is, of course, that she did go off and fight and get killed.

717
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:24.239
And he's not lying.

718
00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:26.280
He wouldn't kill to prevent her death.

719
00:42:26.340 --> 00:42:27.059
He didn't.

720
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:28.079
Did he?

721
00:42:28.139 --> 00:42:30.659
He just lost his shit for a moment after she died.

722
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:34.380
Watch out an entire species. 500000000 people.

723
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:36.239
It happens when you get angry.

724
00:42:36.300 --> 00:42:37.739
Yeah, I know.

725
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:43.079
We've all had days like that Is he my imagination or is that bridge set a bit darker than usual?

726
00:42:43.980 --> 00:42:49.739
I think they do change the way that it's lit in series 3.

727
00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:54.900
And I think that we end up with much, much more even key lighting.

728
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:57.119
Like, I think it's actually not an improvement.

729
00:42:57.179 --> 00:43:02.880
I do think that the direction is generally better in series 3, but the lighting is much less interesting.

730
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:05.460
For some reason.

731
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:09.059
We still got Ron Jones in there, like, sort of music, still doing good things.

732
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:10.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

733
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:11.280
Yeah.

734
00:43:11.340 --> 00:43:17.039
And he's scoring a big spaceship coming up towards the, uh, coming up towards the viewscreen.

735
00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:20.280
He's having fun.

736
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.579
A spaceship looks terrible, mate, doesn't it?

737
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:24.539
It looks like a better Lego.

738
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:30.000
I actually think that what we're watching is the new version.

739
00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:30.960
Yeah.

740
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:38.940
Well, I just think they had far, far fewer shots available to them that they could actually achieve.

741
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:43.440
And so this shot from behind and stuff like that, that's not there, I think, in the original.

742
00:43:43.500 --> 00:43:44.400
I could be wrong.

743
00:43:44.460 --> 00:43:50.159
He gets a chance now to play these things in a fun way. just went, there will be no interference from house, Mr. Data.

744
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.340
As this ship is blasting the planet.

745
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:57.480
But I think that he should be telling them at this point, don't you?

746
00:43:57.719 --> 00:43:59.820
Maybe you did offscreen.

747
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:02.280
Or you think you should be doing it for our benefit?

748
00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:04.860
No, no, no, not for our benefit.

749
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:05.880
That's the thing.

750
00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:10.079
That's where this doesn't quite work where the artifice actually isn't quite properly worked.

751
00:44:10.139 --> 00:44:12.659
But his delivery in a 2nd though, where he goes.

752
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:14.820
Is there any reason for us to stay, number one?

753
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:19.320
And Riker goes, well, no, the Uxbridges are destroyed, the ship's destroyed.

754
00:44:19.380 --> 00:44:21.599
Well, he goes, well, let's go then, shall we?

755
00:44:21.659 --> 00:44:22.980
Yeah, that's it.

756
00:44:23.099 --> 00:44:25.380
So he's suddenly behaving weirdly.

757
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:26.460
Do you know what I mean?

758
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:34.320
And that's weird because he is bathing weirdly because he doesn't say, look, I think it's just going to make us think that they're dead so that we leave.

759
00:44:34.380 --> 00:44:35.639
Do you know what I mean?

760
00:44:35.699 --> 00:44:37.320
That's what you would really do, isn't it?

761
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.559
There's no reason for him to conceal this.

762
00:44:40.619 --> 00:44:42.719
I just like how it's played, though.

763
00:44:42.780 --> 00:44:43.559
I like how it's acted.

764
00:44:43.619 --> 00:44:44.400
Oh, yeah, yeah.

765
00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:46.019
It does mean he's bit more relaxed.

766
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:51.059
Poor Wesley, like the high definition doesn't do him any favours does.

767
00:44:51.179 --> 00:44:53.099
Well, data either, I'm honest.

768
00:44:53.099 --> 00:44:53.820
That makeup.

769
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:58.440
No, but Wesley has a lot of acne happening there.

770
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:02.159
Oh my god, did you see that crash zoom onto Riker's face?

771
00:45:02.219 --> 00:45:03.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

772
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.780
I look straight to the camera and goes, what's going on?

773
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:11.099
The 2nd shot like that that's led to an ad break, this episode.

774
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:12.420
Like that happened earlier.

775
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:14.219
God, for Frank's like, yes.

776
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:15.960
I'm getting all the closing shots.

777
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:22.019
Now he's here saying, actually, that's all pretty dumb.

778
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.300
Why don't you actually tell us something?

779
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:27.059
Please just tell us, yeah, explain to your favourite, Richard.

780
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:28.619
No, number one.

781
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:34.679
I'm having too much fun here. playing hide and seek with the Uxbridges.

782
00:45:34.739 --> 00:45:38.820
So this is him trying to kind of justify it.

783
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.699
Well, he says he doesn't...

784
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:44.099
Yeah, but it's kind of like you can say that.

785
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:51.239
Like he could say, actually, I'm not entirely certain that this is what's going on, but, you know, he could have explained this earlier.

786
00:45:51.300 --> 00:46:03.480
I've got to be honestly, because the idea that the 2 of them are keeping our big secret, that's really interesting, because just the whole setup of the house on the planet, that's so interesting.

787
00:46:03.539 --> 00:46:05.099
Like, I didn't really mind.

788
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:07.679
I didn't as this episode was playing out.

789
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:10.260
The plot itself was interesting.

790
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:15.059
It kept me focussed enough, but I didn't care that there were some of these sort of inconsistencies going on.

791
00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:16.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

792
00:46:16.380 --> 00:46:19.800
Well, and that's where we learn that he thinks that it's just one survivor.

793
00:46:19.860 --> 00:46:21.480
Just what are the answers, you know?

794
00:46:21.539 --> 00:46:22.679
I'm like what is going on?

795
00:46:22.739 --> 00:46:24.420
Look, it's back.

796
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:30.900
And what I like is when the answers come, it does make sense and it is satisfying.

797
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:34.440
You know, and it's emotionally satisfying as well as the plot.

798
00:46:34.500 --> 00:46:35.940
Yeah, I agree.

799
00:46:36.059 --> 00:46:36.719
I agree.

800
00:46:38.460 --> 00:46:49.260
It's worth remembering, you know, we did have a lot of sort of climaxes in season one and 2 where it was just like, well, you all were a load of drug dealers and now you're going to have to deal with it.

801
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:50.820
Come on, let's go, threat.

802
00:46:50.940 --> 00:46:53.940
But I mean here, you know, look at his boots.

803
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:55.139
Look at Kevin's boots.

804
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:55.920
Look at his pants.

805
00:46:55.980 --> 00:46:56.519
Jesus Christ.

806
00:46:56.579 --> 00:46:57.840
Suddenly they're in this.

807
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:00.659
But one of them looks relaxed.

808
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.219
They're all meant to buggery as well.

809
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:10.380
No, I just don't think this is a set anyone feels naturalistic in it.

810
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:17.880
I think Patrick Stewart plays this brilliantly, though, when he goes up to Rishon.

811
00:47:19.019 --> 00:47:21.659
Yeah, yeah.

812
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:22.920
And it like.

813
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.139
Like she vanishes.

814
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:25.920
She doesn't come back.

815
00:47:25.980 --> 00:47:26.760
Do you know what I mean?

816
00:47:26.820 --> 00:47:28.079
Like he just dismisses her.

817
00:47:28.139 --> 00:47:29.699
And what do we think?

818
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:30.960
Is he going back to the planet?

819
00:47:31.019 --> 00:47:33.000
Does he go back to the planet and live with her at the end?

820
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:33.840
I don't know.

821
00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:38.460
Um, Yeah, see, this is hurting my husband.

822
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:41.760
She's so she's so good.

823
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:42.960
She's so terrific.

824
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:49.739
So this is the this is the accusing scene, isn't it?

825
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:53.039
We get them together and we accuse them of a crime, you know, at the end of the mystery.

826
00:47:53.099 --> 00:47:54.480
He's just doing a big...

827
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:55.860
The Poiro reveal, isn't it?

828
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:57.360
Yes, he's doing the big Poirot.

829
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.119
We've only got 2 suspects and only one of them is real.

830
00:48:00.179 --> 00:48:01.679
Yeah, that's right.

831
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:07.079
Yes, provided you with the only doubt that it was them.

832
00:48:07.139 --> 00:48:09.840
It literally takes a step by step through the plot.

833
00:48:09.900 --> 00:48:11.159
This is what happened.

834
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:12.960
This is why I've done these things.

835
00:48:13.019 --> 00:48:14.280
This is what you were doing.

836
00:48:14.340 --> 00:48:15.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

837
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:19.019
Fortunately, the fella playing Kevin.

838
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:32.340
He's got the chops to sell like the huge things that he's talking about in a minute about so angry when she died that he wiped out an entire species because, you know, as an actor.

839
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:34.019
That's not the easiest thing in the world to sell.

840
00:48:34.260 --> 00:48:39.420
No, and see this, he never killed anyone, she says.

841
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:44.579
Yeah, yeah.

842
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:51.719
So this is where we learn that she died and where she learns as well, this version of Rashon or does he dismiss her so that she doesn't hear her?

843
00:48:51.780 --> 00:48:56.099
I mean, him walking away from her is quite cruel, isn't it?

844
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:57.239
Yeah, yeah.

845
00:48:57.300 --> 00:48:58.199
He knows what's coming.

846
00:48:58.980 --> 00:49:02.880
The only thing I didn't like was we don't get a reaction from her.

847
00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:06.000
She just looks at Picard and then she just vanishes.

848
00:49:06.059 --> 00:49:09.179
I feel like they could have sold that moment more.

849
00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:15.539
I think that for her to not be real, you have to not see the reaction.

850
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:16.679
Do you know what I mean?

851
00:49:16.739 --> 00:49:19.980
Like, if if she reacted...

852
00:49:20.699 --> 00:49:23.099
But she has been until this point in the episode.

853
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:25.139
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.

854
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:31.500
But like having her react to the discovery that she's not real. does things that we don't want to have to look into, I think.

855
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:36.900
Um, And, you know, she, he's got to have lost her.

856
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:40.320
He can't just have created one and everything's fine.

857
00:49:40.380 --> 00:49:42.119
There's still got to be a real loss there.

858
00:49:42.659 --> 00:49:45.599
And I like the fact that he's benevolent.

859
00:49:45.659 --> 00:49:46.800
He wants to go to Troy.

860
00:49:46.860 --> 00:49:48.420
He wants to take the music from her mind.

861
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:49.920
You know, he is a good man.

862
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.320
Yeah, yeah.

863
00:49:52.380 --> 00:50:02.940
And that's why that's why he's someone of special conscience, I think, because he's aware of how powerful he is and what he could do.

864
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.159
That's why he never fights.

865
00:50:05.219 --> 00:50:06.059
Do you know what I mean?

866
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:12.420
Because he knows that he, it's that, someone says something about it before, what is it?

867
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:39.480
You know, he is, he has just killed 500000000 people, but when he comes out to confront the people invading his front garden, he does it with a phaser that doesn't work, you know, and he could, that was never a thing, he could just have killed them if he wanted to, but he comes out threatening them with a phaser that that doesn't work because he is a man of special conscience because he's aware of what he's capable of, do you think?

868
00:50:39.539 --> 00:50:41.519
I think that works.

869
00:50:41.579 --> 00:50:42.360
Yeah for sure.

870
00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:58.019
And I even buy, it's a bit melodramatic, but I buy the fact he got so angry that he literally just lashed out in a way that only he can, with devastating consequences and as a result, you know, he is a much gentler now.

871
00:50:58.139 --> 00:51:03.119
Did you say that fish tank that Gianna Troy had in the wall there as they...

872
00:51:03.179 --> 00:51:06.000
When I was a kid, I used to think that was the height of cool.

873
00:51:06.059 --> 00:51:09.179
The enterprises, I've got fish tanks in the walls.

874
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:11.219
Yeah, that is pretty great.

875
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:12.539
That is for yours.

876
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:14.340
There it is beyond Picard now, look.

877
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.099
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. away.

878
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:20.159
Sorry to come back to the set again.

879
00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:21.719
No, no, no.

880
00:51:21.780 --> 00:51:24.179
Well, we were hugely impressed by the set at the time.

881
00:51:25.619 --> 00:51:35.940
The cuts of Beverly Crusher there to show that she's paying attention to his story. that's right Oh bless him.

882
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:39.840
Yeah, look, he's got a sort of inbuilt sadness in his face already, hasn't he?

883
00:51:39.900 --> 00:51:42.539
Yeah, I just think his age as well.

884
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:44.099
He's not in his 80s either.

885
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:48.360
He's 67 at this point, but he's he looks hangdog.

886
00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:50.820
You know, like he looks like someone who's suffered loss.

887
00:51:50.880 --> 00:52:03.239
He strikes me as being that person that we talk about often in, on top, that turns up in every procedural going. always delivers a good performance like this, you know, he made a career out of doing the rounds, but delivering the goods.

888
00:52:03.780 --> 00:52:07.380
But this is the worst thing, isn't it?

889
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:10.679
Like, it's not just that he killed them all.

890
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:15.840
It's that he did it after Rashon had died.

891
00:52:15.900 --> 00:52:18.840
You know, like he's powerful.

892
00:52:18.900 --> 00:52:21.480
He could have stopped it, but he didn't.

893
00:52:21.539 --> 00:52:25.739
And then he did it anyway in a moment of losing control.

894
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:28.860
And that's so bad.

895
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:30.179
Like that's so awful.

896
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:32.460
Well, it's awful thing to live with.

897
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:34.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

898
00:52:34.619 --> 00:52:38.340
Like, it would have been bad enough if he'd killed them to save her.

899
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:39.900
But that didn't even work.

900
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:41.099
He didn't even do that.

901
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:42.780
He just killed them as a response.

902
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:45.900
And he had restrained himself.

903
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:50.039
You know, he'd restrained himself for so long and then just failed.

904
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:53.639
I like how he says, I wish I could have died with her.

905
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:55.199
But yeah, you're right.

906
00:52:55.260 --> 00:52:56.820
He had 2 other options, doesn't he?

907
00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:58.440
He could have gone to fight and died with him.

908
00:52:58.500 --> 00:53:00.059
We wouldn't because he was omnipotent.

909
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:01.679
No, but he could have wiped them out.

910
00:53:01.739 --> 00:53:03.059
You'd have saved them.

911
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:05.099
Yeah, by wiping them out.

912
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.739
Yeah, it was the worst choice all round.

913
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:09.659
Yeah.

914
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:13.679
But then shouldn't shouldn't he be condemned then for what he's done?

915
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:16.800
Because I thought... a tragedy though, isn't it?

916
00:53:16.860 --> 00:53:18.780
It's not really an accusation.

917
00:53:18.900 --> 00:53:23.460
Well, this is more than normal Star Trek acting, isn't it?

918
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:25.440
Like it's really something.

919
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:29.400
Yeah, yeah.

920
00:53:29.460 --> 00:53:31.320
Like he's done something.

921
00:53:31.380 --> 00:53:32.280
Well, they can't punish him.

922
00:53:32.340 --> 00:53:33.059
How can they punish him?

923
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:33.659
Do you know what I mean?

924
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:35.159
He's omnipotent. nothing they can do.

925
00:53:35.219 --> 00:53:35.940
What are they going to do?

926
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:36.480
Lock him up.

927
00:53:36.539 --> 00:53:37.199
They can't do anything.

928
00:53:37.260 --> 00:53:43.139
And also because he... as now to live with this forever.

929
00:53:43.260 --> 00:53:44.460
Do you know what I mean?

930
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:46.679
Like, what are we going to do to him that's worse than that?

931
00:53:47.340 --> 00:53:50.280
In fact, even Gauge McFadden.

932
00:53:50.340 --> 00:53:53.159
She's close to tears when the camera goes back. yeah, yeah.

933
00:53:53.219 --> 00:53:55.019
You're going to think I'm mad.

934
00:53:55.079 --> 00:54:03.780
The last time I saw properly sort of restrained acting in a climax like this in somebody's quarters, was that episode of Strange New Worlds we watched?

935
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:05.940
you know with the doctor and his daughter at the end.

936
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:10.739
I mean, the accent was a bit better there, but...

937
00:54:10.739 --> 00:54:12.659
Besides, it's not hysterical though, is it?

938
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:13.440
It's not over the top.

939
00:54:13.500 --> 00:54:13.980
No, no.

940
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:17.760
Well, because he's a, because he's an old man as well.

941
00:54:17.820 --> 00:54:18.900
Do you know what I mean?

942
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:22.559
Because he's an older man, he's not going to express his emotions.

943
00:54:22.619 --> 00:54:24.599
He is going to be a bit more restrained.

944
00:54:24.659 --> 00:54:27.659
You know, I think he's really good.

945
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:28.619
I think that's bullshit, though.

946
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:29.099
He goes, what?

947
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:35.880
Well, unfortunately, we can't convict you because we've got no rules to actually apply to this.

948
00:54:35.940 --> 00:54:37.260
He's committed genify.

949
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:37.980
Of course you have rules.

950
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:41.940
Well, but he's not under their jurisdiction.

951
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:46.980
You see, you know, he's not a citizen of the Federation, like, what is he?

952
00:54:47.099 --> 00:54:48.360
You could wipe us out at any minute.

953
00:54:48.420 --> 00:54:49.679
Don't worry, you're free to go.

954
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:53.159
That, you know, like what can they do?

955
00:54:53.219 --> 00:54:54.059
We can't do anything.

956
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:59.699
I think maybe that's a bit of weak writing rather than anything else, but I don't think that conclusion is so bad.

957
00:55:00.179 --> 00:55:02.699
God, compared to some, it's great.

958
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:13.260
I mean, I don't think I quite need it because you have Picard and then you have Kevin both explain the entire plot to us and why everything was going on.

959
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:22.260
We didn't need it twice, but just the emotion in what he was saying and the sort of the epic nature of what he's selling of what's happened.

960
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:24.300
I think that it works on all those levels.

961
00:55:24.420 --> 00:55:30.179
I do like the final speech too, like that final captain's log is pretty good too.

962
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:34.860
And then this skips into who watches the watches, which is one of the best TNG episodes ever.

963
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:37.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

964
00:55:37.139 --> 00:55:37.800
I really...

965
00:55:37.860 --> 00:55:40.500
And then, you know, you look at three.

966
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:42.719
Look at a list of the episodes of season three.

967
00:55:42.780 --> 00:55:48.599
There is one banger after another with the occasional dud, which there's going to be in 26 episodes.

968
00:55:48.659 --> 00:55:50.159
Sure, sure.

969
00:55:50.219 --> 00:55:53.280
But this is kind of where they've nailed it, isn't it?

970
00:55:53.340 --> 00:55:56.219
And this is not what we would get now.

971
00:55:56.280 --> 00:56:00.780
You know, like Strange New Worlds is obviously the closest in Kurtzman Trek to this.

972
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:11.400
And Stranger Worlds has much, much greater reliance on the characters and as much more about what they're like as people and much less about their just jobs or whatever.

973
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:13.260
But this is still good.

974
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:15.420
This is still properly enjoyable.

975
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:19.860
That episode was 75% plot, 25% character.

976
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:24.719
Whereas nowadays, we probably reverse that frustration it was, wouldn't we?

977
00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:29.699
You'd have a good plot, but we'd be feeling stuff for the characters all the way through.

978
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:35.099
Yeah, it's the plot would affect the characters emotionally, and that's not what happens much here.

979
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:40.800
You do get a bit of sort of quivering restraint there from Beverly in the final scene when she hears about the genocide.

980
00:56:40.860 --> 00:56:44.519
You know, we get Picard sort of being a bit sad and stuff.

981
00:56:44.579 --> 00:56:51.059
But no one's really properly affected, whereas that's what they would do now and what they've learned to do, I think.

982
00:56:51.119 --> 00:57:05.340
But I think in the sort of the journey of Star Trek, that 60 year journey, there's absolutely a space for these plot heavy mystery episodes in the middle, especially when they're this vivid and this interesting.

983
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:08.219
Yeah, it doesn't pull off everything perfectly.

984
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:12.059
But I think it's a bloody good episode of Star Trek all the same.

985
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:28.019
Yeah All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to decide what we're going to be watching next week.

986
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:37.800
It's my turn with the Randomiser. and I want to give a show a chance to redeem itself.

987
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:52.500
A few weeks ago, we watched Course Oblivion, which was really, truly, truly dreadful, and we did try and sort of cleanse our palates by watching Strange New Worlds.

988
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:55.980
But, you know, that's running away from the problem in a way.

989
00:57:56.039 --> 00:58:06.539
And I want to find an episode of Voyager that is going to make me happy and impressive. pressing that button until you kind of keep pressing until I get a good one.

990
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:07.860
Oh, make a brew.

991
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:08.880
Uncle in.

992
00:58:11.940 --> 00:58:15.059
Do you know, I like this one and no one else does.

993
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:21.480
It's season three, episode 22, real life.

994
00:58:21.539 --> 00:58:23.519
Oh, God.

995
00:58:24.179 --> 00:58:27.719
It's so much better than course oblivion.

996
00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:30.059
I will not say nice things about that episode.

997
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:34.500
It's very much like it's very TV.

998
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.019
Like, it's a very TV episode.

999
00:58:37.139 --> 00:58:38.159
I think, isn't it?

1000
00:58:38.219 --> 00:58:39.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1001
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:41.460
The Brady Bunch. gone wrong.

1002
00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:42.239
Yeah.

1003
00:58:42.300 --> 00:58:48.840
I do like the bit where Pelada Torres goes, I'm sorry, doctor, but you're not going to learn anything from these lollipops here.

1004
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:57.179
And like the problem is that the death of the little girl is just too overwrought and just a little bit too much, I think.

1005
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:00.960
Um, but otherwise, I don't think it's as bad. thinks.

1006
00:59:01.019 --> 00:59:10.800
No, the bit that's over raw is the rebellious teenage kid that is playing on maze and they're in their bedroom playing Klingon rock.

1007
00:59:11.579 --> 00:59:14.280
Oh, please press it again, please.

1008
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.039
I think we've rolled this before.

1009
00:59:17.099 --> 00:59:20.460
Season six, episode 12 blink of an eye.

1010
00:59:20.579 --> 00:59:22.260
Oh.

1011
00:59:22.380 --> 00:59:26.519
I mean, it's a very sort of worthy Star Trek episode.

1012
00:59:26.579 --> 00:59:28.440
But it's super interesting.

1013
00:59:28.500 --> 00:59:30.960
They take that premise, don't they?

1014
00:59:31.019 --> 00:59:47.639
Voyager, being in space at the early stages of this planet with early man, and they build an entire religion about it as we go through the various stages, and because Voyagers going very fast through the history of the planet and the planet's playing out at normal speed.

1015
00:59:47.699 --> 00:59:49.980
I think that one could be worth doing.

1016
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:53.820
Do you remember the Orville did a version of it as well?

1017
00:59:53.940 --> 00:59:55.320
Was it better?

1018
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:57.900
It was probably pretty funny.

1019
00:59:58.019 --> 01:00:00.659
Well, I mean but it is quite a serious one.

1020
01:00:00.780 --> 01:00:04.019
If you want to sort of have fun with Voyager, there's a lot more funner episodes than that.

1021
01:00:04.619 --> 01:00:06.900
I'm super tempted.

1022
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.000
Let's see what happens if I press again.

1023
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:12.000
Projections.

1024
01:00:12.420 --> 01:00:15.599
Series two, episode three.

1025
01:00:15.659 --> 01:00:16.739
It's a bit crap.

1026
01:00:16.860 --> 01:00:18.420
Oh, here we go.

1027
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:19.139
I think it's this.

1028
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:19.679
Okay.

1029
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.260
Whatever, 6 episode three.

1030
01:00:22.260 --> 01:00:24.000
Barge of the Dead.

1031
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:26.940
Oh, an absolute banger.

1032
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:29.579
Yeah, this is Ronald D. Moore, isn't it?

1033
01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:30.840
This is when he was involved.

1034
01:00:30.900 --> 01:00:33.000
He didn't write...

1035
01:00:33.059 --> 01:00:42.960
He did survival instinct, but I think he's responsible for the story and forgiven them just a bloody good Klingon episode, you know, with all the myth offs that he's built up over time.

1036
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:48.480
Brilliant Roxanne Dawson episode, striking imagery in this as well.

1037
01:00:48.539 --> 01:00:50.820
Yeah, yeah, weird looking stuff.

1038
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:52.320
Yeah, yeah, I remember.

1039
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:53.820
Yeah, this is definitely worth doing.

1040
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:55.500
Okay, awesome.

1041
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:56.219
Let's do that then.

1042
01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:09.780
Who's been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1043
01:01:09.780 --> 01:01:16.199
We're online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1044
01:01:16.260 --> 01:01:21.900
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1045
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:27.360
This episode was recorded on the 16th of April 2024 and released on the 3rd of May.

1046
01:01:27.420 --> 01:01:31.739
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, Barge of the Dead.

1047
01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:49.860
What do you think?

1048
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:53.219
It's not controversial enough or shitty enough for us to go on about it.

1049
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:54.119
No, no, no, no.

1050
01:01:54.179 --> 01:01:54.719
Do you know what?

1051
01:01:54.780 --> 01:01:58.619
It was more of a struggle than the last couple of weeks, because it's just very good.

1052
01:01:58.739 --> 01:02:00.539
To say things.

1053
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:02.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1054
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:05.940
Yeah, because it isn't doing particularly complex things with any of the regulars.

1055
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:07.019
No.

1056
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:09.239
You can't really talk about there.

1057
01:02:09.300 --> 01:02:11.519
But it's just, it is just fun.

1058
01:02:11.579 --> 01:02:13.199
It is what I've sat down to.

1059
01:02:13.260 --> 01:02:15.059
Even, you know, shitty things.

1060
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:23.940
Like the 1st thing that my sister ever saw, like I was going on about subject, the next generation, and She watched Booby Trap, for God's sake.

1061
01:02:24.059 --> 01:02:25.199
Do you know what I mean?

1062
01:02:25.260 --> 01:02:28.380
No, no, what's the, is, is it booby trap?

1063
01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:31.739
Is it booby trap, the one with the space slug that they...

1064
01:02:31.860 --> 01:02:33.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1065
01:02:33.420 --> 01:02:34.440
It was booby trapped.

1066
01:02:34.500 --> 01:02:35.519
I said, oh, really?

1067
01:02:35.579 --> 01:02:36.000
Okay.

1068
01:02:36.059 --> 01:02:40.019
But it's still like, I wouldn't happily watch Booby Trap.

1069
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:40.739
It is crappy.

1070
01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:41.519
Do you know what I mean?

1071
01:02:41.579 --> 01:02:46.380
But it's, it's just, it's that raising the floor thing, you know, like...

1072
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:48.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1073
01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:50.460
I know, because I've been listening through.

1074
01:02:50.460 --> 01:02:53.820
It's called the Ron Jones Project on YouTube, and it's got all of this...

1075
01:02:53.820 --> 01:02:55.320
Roger...

1076
01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:56.880
Roger...

1077
01:02:56.940 --> 01:03:06.300
Because I was listening to it to work out what we would do for the music to on Star Trek project before we got Cameron to do a thing.

1078
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:08.820
No, that was that was good.

1079
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:14.219
And I'm pleased because we haven't, if we have been to season three, have we?

1080
01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:16.440
Uh, I don't know.

1081
01:03:16.500 --> 01:03:18.420
Oh, yes, of course, yeah.

1082
01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:20.579
Oh, yeah, that's probably all right.

1083
01:03:20.699 --> 01:03:21.780
Yeah, I think so.

1084
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:24.960
But, you know, we've been talking ages.

1085
01:03:25.019 --> 01:03:32.940
Every time we come to team gym, we talk about, you know, the tire turning in season 3 and actually, we've watched an episode, which has proven that impact.

1086
01:03:33.179 --> 01:03:34.139
Otherwise, we'd be.

1087
01:03:34.139 --> 01:03:35.099
Oh, we did the price.

1088
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:36.360
Oh that was fun.

1089
01:03:36.420 --> 01:03:37.500
That was fun.

1090
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:38.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1091
01:03:38.340 --> 01:03:42.420
Yeah, see, that's sort of like a lower lesser episode.

1092
01:03:43.019 --> 01:03:45.179
Yeah, but even that's not terrible.

1093
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:46.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1094
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:48.539
That's what I think. this is a fun version of the show.

1095
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:49.679
Council of Troy at the beginning.

1096
01:03:49.739 --> 01:03:52.380
Oh, heaven forbid I miss the wormhole.

1097
01:03:54.539 --> 01:04:00.480
She's got like, does she have messages from her mother on the...

1098
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:03.900
Get me a chocolate Sunday now.

1099
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:05.340
Oh, God.

1100
01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:06.659
You see, that's it.

1101
01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:11.639
It's just like, what I want to watch. glorious.

1102
01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:13.440
Troy goes evil episodes.

1103
01:04:13.500 --> 01:04:15.239
I want to watch those.

1104
01:04:15.300 --> 01:04:16.500
Yeah, that one especially.

1105
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:18.000
No, or the lot.

1106
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:19.800
Face of evil.

1107
01:04:19.860 --> 01:04:22.139
Face of evil, face of the enemy.

1108
01:04:22.199 --> 01:04:24.360
No, the loss is, she's such a cow in that.

1109
01:04:24.420 --> 01:04:28.800
I love her in facing the enemy because I have no idea what I'm going through.

1110
01:04:28.860 --> 01:04:31.920
You know what it's like to lose something you've never had.

1111
01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:33.780
She's such a bitch.

1112
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:34.679
It's so good.

1113
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:41.039
Maybe she just he just doesn't want to hear you complaining all the time of you whining all the time.

1114
01:04:41.099 --> 01:04:42.659
I know I am.

1115
01:04:44.340 --> 01:04:46.019
So good.

1116
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.559
That woman, she looks so crushed.

1117
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:51.480
So funny.

1118
01:04:51.539 --> 01:04:53.159
I know, but what's a shame?

1119
01:04:53.219 --> 01:04:54.000
Do you remember her?

1120
01:04:54.059 --> 01:04:55.019
They dial back on it.

1121
01:04:55.079 --> 01:05:01.920
They dial back on it because then the woman comes back to her in a later counselling session in that episode and goes, no, you were absolutely right, Deanna.

1122
01:05:01.980 --> 01:05:03.599
I wanted her to come back and say, what?

1123
01:05:03.659 --> 01:05:06.059
You're a horrible person.

1124
01:05:06.659 --> 01:05:09.179
Yeah, you suck.

1125
01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:10.199
I always really mean to you.

1126
01:05:10.260 --> 01:05:11.340
Don't be so pathetic.

1127
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:18.360
I mean, I do think at the beginning of this episode, all my warning bells were going off when Troy went, you know, there's something strange.

1128
01:05:18.420 --> 01:05:20.699
Nope, I can't give you more than that.

1129
01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:22.019
That's what I forgot.

1130
01:05:22.139 --> 01:05:24.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1131
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:25.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1132
01:05:25.500 --> 01:05:33.780
I did think that it was kind of weird that she was going to, she could detect stuff from the spaceship a long distance away.

1133
01:05:33.900 --> 01:05:36.480
Well, I think it's your choice, you know.

1134
01:05:36.539 --> 01:05:39.659
It is my choice and I'm trying to work out what the hell I'm going to do.

1135
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:47.219
Because we've done some of everything lately, haven't we?

1136
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:48.840
Yeah, we've done a bit of cursman.

1137
01:05:48.900 --> 01:05:50.579
We have a couple of TOSs.

1138
01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:52.380
We did an animated series.

1139
01:05:52.440 --> 01:06:03.239
These are the voyages, profit motive, counterclock incidents, skin of evil, obsession, tracking, tracking into the wind, trouble with Edward, matter of time.

1140
01:06:03.300 --> 01:06:04.019
It always feels not.

1141
01:06:04.019 --> 01:06:05.880
He's heavy, but they're so fucking much of it.

1142
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:06.840
That's why.

1143
01:06:06.900 --> 01:06:07.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1144
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:13.079
What was the last voyage we did course oblivion that's coming out this Friday?

1145
01:06:13.139 --> 01:06:13.980
Oh, Christ.

1146
01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:15.360
I can't wait to hear that back.

1147
01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:17.400
Oh my god.

1148
01:06:17.460 --> 01:06:19.739
I'll probably edit it tomorrow, actually.

1149
01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:21.360
Actually, when you start going in the middle.

1150
01:06:21.420 --> 01:06:23.340
You know, yeah, it's called course oblivion.

1151
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:25.800
We know we're all going to die and it's going to be miserable.

1152
01:06:25.860 --> 01:06:27.840
Why am I watching this?

1153
01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:30.780
My wife, you reminding me of this?

1154
01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:32.940
No, have you heard it back at all yet?

1155
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:36.480
Uh, no, just no.

1156
01:06:36.659 --> 01:06:41.400
All I've done is I've I've processed the audio.

1157
01:06:41.460 --> 01:06:45.300
I've recorded the credits and I've put it all into a thing.

1158
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:47.460
I've got...

1159
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:49.320
I was at work howling.

1160
01:06:49.380 --> 01:06:55.380
The store was shut and I was just doing some like dressing of an aisle and it's just you and me going, oh.

1161
01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:56.699
Oh, look.

1162
01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:59.460
Oh, we're just nitching, just screaming in horror.

1163
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:00.420
The pressure.

1164
01:07:03.900 --> 01:07:13.559
At one point, I'll just do a cake vulgar and go, you know, when she's in the chair. about to expire, just going, oh, God, how much of the pizza is there left to go?

1165
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:22.139
I can't believe people thought that was anyway acceptable. tragic.

1166
01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:26.039
It's tragic because they all catch a disease and then die.

1167
01:07:26.099 --> 01:07:28.139
It's like what's tragic about that?

1168
01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:29.400
That's horrible.

1169
01:07:29.460 --> 01:07:30.420
A good episode.

1170
01:07:30.420 --> 01:07:32.460
It's not about Star Trek project, though.

1171
01:07:32.760 --> 01:07:36.059
That's the one good thing that's come out of goals and living.

1172
01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:37.800
We got a 3 episode out of it.

1173
01:07:37.860 --> 01:07:39.539
Oh my god.

1174
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:47.760
Yes, there's a one way you can know this is the fake voyager. because our Captain Janeway would never have carpet like that, but that rice goes.

1175
01:07:47.820 --> 01:07:49.500
Yeah, that's it.

1176
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:50.579
That's it.

1177
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:51.480
She would have hovered.

1178
01:07:54.179 --> 01:07:55.800
All right.

1179
01:07:58.860 --> 01:08:00.420
All right, it's the end of the episode.