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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back at what is very nearly the beginning of my

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experience of Star Trek, the franchise.

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We're doing early Star Trek, The Next Generation, and it's series

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3, episode three, The Survivors, which goes out on the 9th of

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October, 1989.

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And so, we had a rough year one, a pretty dreadful year too

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affected by the rider strike, and this is where Star Trek finally

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pulls it together and becomes the thing that we remember it

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being.

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Right here.

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I think.

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I think this episode is where the gear goes up or how do you

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describe it?

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The ceiling raises.

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You know?

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Or the floor goes up.

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I can't remember what best 4 you use now.

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But yes, I think this is the point where Star Trek Next Generation

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goes from being a rather embarrassing copy on the original series

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to actually trying to find some kind of an identity for itself.

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I do think that evolution and ensigns of command, which are the

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1st 2 episodes of series 3, are more like this than they are like

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series 2 or series one.

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Problem with those 2 is, though.

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I think evolution is completely shipbound.

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So it's doing the sort of included a lot in series 2 and the

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instance of command features the colony set, which obviously would

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go on to guest star in many an episode to come.

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But it does feel like a bit of a cheapie.

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I feel, I think the biggest indication is that we've gone outside

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for the 1st time.

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Yes.

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Well, we used to, we did it once in series two.

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And you and Picard rode a horse, but actually we're on location

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and it suddenly feels like production levels.

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And interestingly, what comes with that writing and directing

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levels are all taking a little shift in the right direction.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So this is written by a guy called Michael Wagner, who does a sort

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of stint of 5 episodes or so at the beginning of series 3, but

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ultimately, I think isn't kind of a fit for the show.

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And then...

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He's involved as sort of co-executive producer in the 1st 5 or

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so.

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I think this is the only one that he gets a sort of onscreen

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writing credit for, but I'm not entirely sure.

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And it's directed by Les Landau, who has been sort of 1st

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assistant director for a couple of years and just goes on to have

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a massive Star Trek career.

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One of those entries in memory alpha where you just have to keep

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scrolling that he's done so many episodes. yeah.

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I think he does an enterprise.

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Like he lasts for quite a long time on the show.

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And it's just kind of competently done.

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And I tell you what, just going out on a lawn, like they go to a

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house in Malibu or something, like that's all they do.

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There's a lawn and a house exterior.

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It's so refreshing house.

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It's so good Like I kind of understand why they don't do it very

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often because, you know, do we want to do endless quarries?

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How do we make outside look like a space thing?

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Like all of that's clearly a problem and it's a problem the

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original show had as well.

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But this show is really reluctant to go outside in a way that the

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original show wasn't always.

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And gosh, it makes a difference.

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It's just one scene or or 2 scenes.

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In order for this episode to work, you have to go outside, I think

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to show the contrast between that sort of blasted heath of a

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planet and the lush, they couldn't pull it off as an indoor phone

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I don't think.

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And actually there's a scene in the middle of the episode where

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they're clearly shooting it at dusk and there's this sort of

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golden haze to everything.

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It just looks so visually interesting compared to the boring

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indoors outdoors that they normally do.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, like these days, they do use the studio sets still

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don't they, for planet exteriors that actually happened last

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week.

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But of course, they're much better at creating visually striking

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planetary surfaces in the studio, just because they've got the

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effects wall and stuff.

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But even so, going outside, you get vistas and horizons and skies

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and all sorts of things and the cameras freer to do stuff than it

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is normally.

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And so it makes a real difference, I think, here.

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So insane, though, right, with it, like, step back from it for a

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2nd about how unusual it is for Star Trek to be shot on location.

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Like every other show on television ever shoots on location all

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the time.

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Yeah.

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But I mean, the difficulty is that they're trying to be the 24th

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century.

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And so they're pretty limited in the kinds of locations that they

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work, that sort of thing. you know, to plantation, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But it really, it really works.

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This has only 2 sort of major guest stars as well.

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Excellent, I think.

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I think they are both excellent.

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They're playing botanists in their 80s, but they're actually much

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younger than that.

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And that was the most shocking thing in the memory alpha article

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which is that Anne Haney, who plays Rashawn Uxbridge, is 55 years

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old. when we're shooting this, which is the same age that I am

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recording this.

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Imperceptible.

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Oh my god.

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Oh my god.

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So they're both really great.

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Oh, she is especially good.

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Oh, she's, you really have to feel for her.

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And you really have to feel her on that bit at the end on the

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enterprise.

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When Picard goes up to her, says, you know what?

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You're not real.

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Yeah, but she also like makes it clear why Kevin fell in love with

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her as well.

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And all of that is just sort of tremendously good.

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And so what we have is what I like about Star Trek, which is it's

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just a procedural.

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There's a mystery to be solved.

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There's no real attempt at world building here at all.

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None of the races like the Dowd.

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I said that I thought they got mentioned at the end of Discovery

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series 4, but I might be wrong about that.

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And then the Husnock, who get mentioned there the other alien

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racer get mentioned.

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They never get mentioned again either.

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So we're not world building.

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We're not creating, you know, a galaxy for this to take place.

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It's all right.

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We can't go to worlds that have their own history that we actually

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just start by one time and then never mention again.

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Otherwise, we're going to be juggling 500 empires by the end of

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the series, you know?

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Well, that's right.

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And in fact, it would be nice if that happened a little bit more

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often.

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And that's what I think this is.

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Before the spinoffs happen.

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When you've just had 2 Star Trek shows, the original series

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including the animated series, I guess, and then this, where the

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premise is, the enterprise goes to a place and a space thing

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happens and they solve it and then they go away.

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There's no real need for world building.

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And what both shows do is some world building as they have, you

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know, recurring guest stars and shows have sequels to other shows

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and stuff, particularly in Next Jan. It starts to build the map

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doesn't it?

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Exactly.

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And then stick in tent pegs of certain empires that we're going to

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go back to, but the rest are all one shot wonders.

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And then because Deep Space 9 in particular, Voyager less so

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because they carve out a space on that map that Star Trek the Next

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Generation has drawn, they very much happened in a sort of pre

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existing environment and they populate an area.

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You know, they are doing world building.

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And that's great.

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You know, that's what makes Deep Space 9 possible. steals the map

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doesn't it?

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Right, we're having that, and we're going to rub all that out and

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we're going to add some more detail.

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Exactly.

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And particularly since space 9 continues running after the parent

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show has finished, and because they move Voyager out of Deep Space

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9's way, so it's allowed to do all of that sort of politics and

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stuff, and it does exactly take over the map that Star Trek the

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Next Generation draws.

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But here, the other story that I thought of was Dharmok, where

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there is a space mystery, and the Tamarians never come up again

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until lower decks, where they come up as a gag, you know?

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And there's something about that that I like.

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This is the Star Trek that I wanted to watch when I was sitting

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down to watch Star Trek in the very late 1980s and early 1990s, I

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think.

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I can see why I love this.

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I think this is the point where I fell in love with the next

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generation.

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And I said to you on our chat bread, I felt watching this this

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morning, that sort of 1st time Frisson that I felt the 1st time I

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watched this, and I think it's because it's such a simple, but

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vivid premise, and I don't think they've really, the only other

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time, no, that hadn't come yet.

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Best of both worlds was the other time where I really, you know

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when they go down onto the planet and there's huge craters there

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the whole colony.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it's something you can so easily wrap your head around.

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But it's such a great mystery of like, why the hell is this square

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of grass and this house, this completely destroyed planet?

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And I think if it's not like the most sophisticated bit of writing

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we've ever seen, I think it does unpick the mystery at a good pace

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with some surprises and some good twists.

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So I can see why I was totally beguiled by this.

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I think sort of somewhere inside of me when I was, how old would I

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have been when this came out?

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What year did this come out?

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89.

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So I would have been 9 years old when I watched this.

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Yeah, probably 10.

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I hope we got a little bit later.

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I actually felt, my God, this is really good, whereas I would have

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been watching the next generation and going, it's all right, you

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know.

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My appreciation for it was on the rise.

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Yeah.

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Well, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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Yeah, why not?

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It's so lovely to be able to say lovely things about 90 Star Trek

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after we've been a bit mean lately as well.

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Yeah, I agree.

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This is the Star Trek we fell for.

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This is this is the romance.

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This is.

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Yeah, that's exactly right.

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All right, here goes.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Oh, establishing shot via surprise.

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The same shot.

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You totally didn't do a bottle shot every week.

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Yeah, pretty much.

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Oh, I mean, immediately, do you not feel comforted off to a colony

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planet, you know?

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Because I was walking around the bridge going, hmm.

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I wonder what we're going to find here, number one.

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It's very staid.

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Like, I understand the the complaint that original Trek fans had

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about next generation, that it was very wordy and not very action

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oriented, and there is a whole heap of just sort of standing

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around.

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But this is what I tuned into, these people doing their jobs.

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Now, here is Deanna in this outfit for the 1st time.

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Oh, for the very 1st time.

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What, that blue outfit?

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Oh, I like it when Captain Jellicoe comes on and it goes, uh

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counsellor, I prefer a bit more formality in my British career

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members.

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Get a Starfleet uniform on.

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I think that the camera does spend a lot of time looking at her

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breasts.

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That could have been me.

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I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure whether it was a camera or me.

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I'm not sure what I was saying about you.

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I think Dr. Everly looks great though in her uniform and her hair

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nice and short.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

254
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Yep.

255
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Although in a minute, right?

256
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She goes down, um, there's a there's a number of wonderful

257
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tracking shots going down corridors in this sort of low angle ones

258
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and Dr. Beverly is going down there and Games McFadden could not

259
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be more robotic delivering this expiratory dialogue to Patrick

260
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Stewart.

261
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Well, we said it a 1000000 times, hadn't we?

262
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Yeah, when she's given real things to say, she says in a realistic

263
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way.

264
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And when she's given Star Trek exposition...

265
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Weird robot stuff to say.

266
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Suddenly the ring data.

267
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Yep.

268
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Wesley as well.

269
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Yeah, yeah.

270
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So, and they're getting to sit up now because it's series three.

271
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I don't know when they made that change.

272
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It's nice to see.

273
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Uniforms.

274
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It's a lot nicer than the old ones.

275
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Have you noticed?

276
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Yep, yep.

277
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A bit more relaxed.

278
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Although, I don't know what that is on Picard's right breast

279
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there.

280
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It's like his fags, is it?

281
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Like he's got a bag of fags.

282
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I've got to get through this chute somehow.

283
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It's like a radio mic or something.

284
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I don't quite know what that is.

285
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It's an alarmingly protruding nipple.

286
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Yeah, maybe.

287
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But that's a great visual, isn't it?

288
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Like, that's a really, really good visual.

289
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It's a really striking thing. in realms on another way.

290
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The only thing that's left.

291
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Well, I think in a minute. the fabulous matte painting they do.

292
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And then it scans across to the location work.

293
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All right, it maybe it's not as sophisticated as it would be now

294
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obviously, but it's arresting.

295
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It's an arresting image.

296
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Yeah, I remember being like, I can't tell.

297
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I'm not sure whether I'm watching the old effects or the new

298
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effects.

299
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But this seems sort of sympathetic with whatever we had

300
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originally.

301
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It's funny.

302
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The dialogue does say that the house is directly in the middle of

303
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the square, but clearly that's not what we actually see.

304
00:14:11.580 --> 00:14:14.820
I think that sourcer section is a bit top heavy.

305
00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:18.360
Well, it doesn't have to land or anything.

306
00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:20.279
It would fall over if it lands.

307
00:14:20.340 --> 00:14:22.559
I was just hoping to never design a plane like that, would they?

308
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just sort of go straight over.

309
00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:28.080
It doesn't need to be aerodynamic because it's in space.

310
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And as you keep reminding me, it's not in fact real.

311
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There aren't a 1000 people, you know.

312
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In fact, it's probably too aerodynamic, to be honest.

313
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You know what I mean?

314
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All those smooth curves and stuff like that.

315
00:14:43.740 --> 00:14:45.600
It doesn't need to be that aerodynamic.

316
00:14:45.659 --> 00:14:47.759
It could look like a cyber truck and it would still go through

317
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space.

318
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It'd be fine.

319
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Here we go now.

320
00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:54.539
The title sequence is still going on.

321
00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:56.580
Are those top sequences of Kurtzman Trek this long?

322
00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:00.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they've got about 32 executive producers

323
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to list.

324
00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:04.980
They fill the screen with pretty images, you know?

325
00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:07.740
Yeah, we're well destructed nowadays.

326
00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:12.419
Well, this is just a remount of the 60s Star Trek titles, isn't

327
00:15:12.419 --> 00:15:12.659
it?

328
00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.539
It's just the spaceship keeps coming at you over and over again.

329
00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:18.840
Now, is this map shot in a minute?

330
00:15:18.899 --> 00:15:20.820
Is it enhanced?

331
00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:23.639
Have they done something new to it for the...

332
00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:24.480
I don't know.

333
00:15:24.539 --> 00:15:25.080
I don't know.

334
00:15:25.139 --> 00:15:26.519
Yeah, no, I don't know.

335
00:15:26.580 --> 00:15:28.799
Oh, this is typical Troy.

336
00:15:28.860 --> 00:15:31.139
She goes, I'll sense there's something wrong here.

337
00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:33.240
It's something's not quite right.

338
00:15:33.299 --> 00:15:35.340
No, sorry, I can't give you anything more than that.

339
00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:35.940
She goes.

340
00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:39.960
And she's empathic, but she can apparently detect people from like

341
00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:42.480
100s of kilometres away as well.

342
00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:46.080
Like, she said earlier, I know, it should be, I should be able to

343
00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:47.220
feel them by now.

344
00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:49.919
There's no one on the planet I should be able to sense that.

345
00:15:49.980 --> 00:15:54.000
That's all sort of shift given what the script needs her to do

346
00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:54.840
from week to week.

347
00:15:54.899 --> 00:15:56.519
You know, sometimes it's when they beam in.

348
00:15:56.580 --> 00:15:58.139
Other times it's when they're on the planet.

349
00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:01.379
So we need to establish that she has the powers here.

350
00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.679
Yeah, that just looks like a map painting, doesn't it?

351
00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:06.179
painting.

352
00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:07.500
I appreciate it.

353
00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:08.100
Yeah.

354
00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:09.419
No, no, I agree.

355
00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:12.720
And there's something like there's a little bit where they sort of

356
00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:16.139
beam them in that just amazing.

357
00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:18.480
The camera's moving as they transport.

358
00:16:18.539 --> 00:16:21.779
You can actually see if you look close to which, but it's the real

359
00:16:21.779 --> 00:16:22.440
grass.

360
00:16:22.500 --> 00:16:23.879
They're outside.

361
00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:26.940
There are trees and grass.

362
00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:30.059
You can see the act is visibly relaxing, you know?

363
00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:31.259
My God, fresh air.

364
00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:31.799
Yeah, yeah.

365
00:16:31.860 --> 00:16:34.799
Oh, just the lighting and everything.

366
00:16:34.860 --> 00:16:36.960
It's so nice seeing them in the sun.

367
00:16:37.019 --> 00:16:38.759
It's just terrific.

368
00:16:38.820 --> 00:16:40.200
And what's about to happen now?

369
00:16:40.259 --> 00:16:43.860
I think it's really absolutely superb.

370
00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:45.779
Like, it's really broad.

371
00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:50.279
But it puts them definitely in that location.

372
00:16:50.340 --> 00:16:54.419
You know, they're not just standing around as usual.

373
00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:58.200
You know how rarely this sort of managers to do action.

374
00:16:58.259 --> 00:17:01.139
But this, he walks over to knock on the door, which also

375
00:17:01.139 --> 00:17:01.919
fantastic.

376
00:17:01.980 --> 00:17:04.980
And then the trap gets noticed.

377
00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:09.299
And then that, which is so great. smacks into that pole.

378
00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:10.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

379
00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:13.920
And now he's hanging upside down for the rest of the scene and

380
00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:15.720
he's absolutely not bothered.

381
00:17:15.779 --> 00:17:18.000
Like, he's not even remotely put out.

382
00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:22.440
And, you know, like he doesn't, you know, not even his voice

383
00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:23.039
changes.

384
00:17:23.099 --> 00:17:23.640
It's wonderful.

385
00:17:23.700 --> 00:17:26.700
I just want you to look at the trees swaying in the background

386
00:17:26.700 --> 00:17:27.359
there, right?

387
00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:30.000
Just focus on that for a 2nd and how natural it is today is.

388
00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:33.359
Now, next time we go into stock forest set number 58.

389
00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:37.680
Watch the trees in the background there as they sort of wiggle

390
00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:38.400
them about a bit.

391
00:17:38.940 --> 00:17:44.700
Actually, look out the window like later on when we're inside the

392
00:17:44.700 --> 00:17:45.000
house.

393
00:17:45.059 --> 00:17:47.039
Why didn't we look out the window?

394
00:17:47.099 --> 00:17:48.480
too badly done, though.

395
00:17:48.539 --> 00:17:50.220
No, but it, yeah.

396
00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:55.559
But I think having seen the real outside helps to sell that, I

397
00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:55.799
think.

398
00:17:55.859 --> 00:17:59.460
We're so easily pleased Having seen the real outside.

399
00:17:59.579 --> 00:18:01.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

400
00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:04.559
Yeah, I think maybe and smoked quite a lot.

401
00:18:04.619 --> 00:18:08.579
It may have become the longest running joke on UTSP, you know.

402
00:18:10.619 --> 00:18:14.700
So we're establishing now there was this great spaceship that

403
00:18:14.700 --> 00:18:18.119
blotted out the sky, came along and destroyed everywhere, but

404
00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:21.240
they've got no clue why they have survived.

405
00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:25.619
And one of the things that this show can't do because it doesn't

406
00:18:25.619 --> 00:18:29.099
want to be about that is that it can't illustrate how traumatised

407
00:18:29.099 --> 00:18:29.700
they are.

408
00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:34.200
So she's actually really kind of, you know, charming and happy.

409
00:18:34.259 --> 00:18:35.099
Have some tea.

410
00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:37.079
You know, she seems kind of unaffected by it.

411
00:18:37.140 --> 00:18:42.480
And I think that there's a good in story reason for that.

412
00:18:42.539 --> 00:18:46.920
And it may be one of the things that they could have lampshaded.

413
00:18:46.980 --> 00:18:52.259
Like why is Rashon not more upset than she choosing to remember

414
00:18:52.259 --> 00:18:55.019
her as delightful where she ever was.

415
00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:57.480
So it doesn't in story, it makes sense.

416
00:18:57.539 --> 00:19:00.660
But from our point of view, in this scene, we're like, okay.

417
00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:04.380
No, but the characters don't notice that that's weird.

418
00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:09.420
And I think, you know, one of the things that this show doesn't do

419
00:19:09.420 --> 00:19:16.799
is that it doesn't actually do the thing where we see the stuff

420
00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:18.839
affecting the characters.

421
00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:20.940
And that's a problem.

422
00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:22.079
Do you know what I mean?

423
00:19:22.140 --> 00:19:25.380
We don't actually see any of this stuff that happens affecting any

424
00:19:25.380 --> 00:19:26.819
of the characters emotionally.

425
00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:28.680
We do get Troy.

426
00:19:28.740 --> 00:19:29.700
Do you know what I mean?

427
00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:31.619
But no one else is affected by it.

428
00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:34.079
And I think that that's the difference.

429
00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:36.059
That's the missing beast here.

430
00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:39.839
I think this is a wonderful mystery, but and all of our characters

431
00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:43.140
are just their jobs and no one's affected emotionally by what

432
00:19:43.140 --> 00:19:44.039
happens here.

433
00:19:44.099 --> 00:19:50.160
And that's not true of Dharmok, for instance, you know, the show

434
00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:53.339
can still be liked, this can still be a procedural, but have more

435
00:19:53.339 --> 00:19:54.299
character stuff.

436
00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:55.259
What about this interior?

437
00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:56.700
Because they're scared.

438
00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:58.140
I really like this interior.

439
00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:00.299
It feels like it's going way off, doesn't it, in another

440
00:20:00.299 --> 00:20:00.660
direction?

441
00:20:00.779 --> 00:20:05.160
It means there's some depth to the set as well.

442
00:20:05.220 --> 00:20:07.259
It's not just a 4 wall set.

443
00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:08.579
Exactly.

444
00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:11.039
It's not the tiny corner of the set that they're shooting in.

445
00:20:11.099 --> 00:20:12.839
It's a decent size sand.

446
00:20:12.900 --> 00:20:15.900
And so they do go to the effort of building that window with

447
00:20:15.900 --> 00:20:16.920
plants outside.

448
00:20:16.980 --> 00:20:19.079
So it does feel like the inside of that house.

449
00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:23.940
Although you were mean about the window in the masterpiece society

450
00:20:23.940 --> 00:20:24.839
I have to say.

451
00:20:24.900 --> 00:20:25.859
Yeah, but no.

452
00:20:25.859 --> 00:20:28.619
Yeah, that's because they were putting dreadful special effects in

453
00:20:28.619 --> 00:20:29.099
the window.

454
00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:30.779
Yeah, now look at this.

455
00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:31.619
Look at this.

456
00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:33.839
The music box is beautiful.

457
00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:36.839
And I think it was the Deanna Troy side of this episode that

458
00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:39.779
really got me when I 1st because I think she plays the pain of

459
00:20:39.779 --> 00:20:42.180
hearing that music really, really well.

460
00:20:43.019 --> 00:20:45.660
I actually think it's a little bit much.

461
00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:48.539
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

462
00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:52.019
Okay, well, I'm going to play this music box music for you for the

463
00:20:52.019 --> 00:20:55.019
next 10 years and see how hysterical you get.

464
00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:56.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

465
00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:58.980
I like the bit where she goes.

466
00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:01.079
It's it's real.

467
00:21:02.700 --> 00:21:04.319
That's right.

468
00:21:04.380 --> 00:21:05.579
I think it's fun.

469
00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:06.599
Do you know what I mean?

470
00:21:06.660 --> 00:21:07.619
But I think it is a bit much.

471
00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:10.619
I mean, look, props are giving us how to do, all right?

472
00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:11.460
Let's give him that.

473
00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:12.240
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

474
00:21:12.299 --> 00:21:16.980
And I really like how they're foregrounding that in this scene.

475
00:21:16.980 --> 00:21:19.799
And it's them dancing later on.

476
00:21:19.859 --> 00:21:21.779
We will see them actually dancing.

477
00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:26.640
It does kind of make sure that we know as the audience that

478
00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:28.259
they're causing it somehow.

479
00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:30.059
It's for a reason, isn't it?

480
00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:33.900
Obviously, he doesn't want her to read him to realise, yeah.

481
00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:35.940
Yeah, he's alone on the planet and she's fake.

482
00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:38.640
I did notice a ceiling in that set as well there for a second.

483
00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:41.819
I know we're pointing out all of these sort of production things.

484
00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:42.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

485
00:21:42.900 --> 00:21:45.059
We don't see that very often either in 90s direct.

486
00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:45.299
No.

487
00:21:45.299 --> 00:21:46.019
There it is.

488
00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:46.859
Yeah, look behind them there.

489
00:21:46.980 --> 00:21:50.519
So the one thing in this scene that I thought was really good

490
00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:53.819
which is the only thing that we do to kind of emphasise the loss

491
00:21:53.819 --> 00:21:57.839
that Rashon feels is where Rashon says, oh, we have lovely tea

492
00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:03.420
here on Rana, it grows wild all over the forests and then over the

493
00:22:03.420 --> 00:22:06.900
veals or whatever, and then she realises what she said because it

494
00:22:06.900 --> 00:22:08.039
doesn't anymore.

495
00:22:08.099 --> 00:22:12.180
And I thought that was really good and it wasn't dwelt on, you

496
00:22:12.180 --> 00:22:14.880
know, like it was like a nice little moment, I thought.

497
00:22:14.940 --> 00:22:15.960
Oh, look at this.

498
00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:18.359
They're all around the observation lounge table.

499
00:22:18.420 --> 00:22:21.180
Yeah, all trying to fix together the mystery of this.

500
00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:22.380
Yeah, yeah.

501
00:22:22.380 --> 00:22:25.200
But then we saw a cup to Troy every now and again looking a bit

502
00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:25.859
discomfited.

503
00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:32.579
I've got to say, uh, my other half did come in at this and stayed

504
00:22:32.579 --> 00:22:36.660
with me for 5 minutes, watched quite a few counsellor troy scenes

505
00:22:36.660 --> 00:22:38.460
and left the room laughing his head off.

506
00:22:39.299 --> 00:22:40.740
Yes.

507
00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:42.180
I think I get that.

508
00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:43.319
I do get that.

509
00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:44.880
One of the interesting things about this.

510
00:22:44.940 --> 00:22:46.859
Watch, watch, Jonathan.

511
00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:53.099
Like, Jonathan, like, delivers dialogue that is directed at Picard

512
00:22:53.099 --> 00:22:53.940
like here.

513
00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:57.059
He doesn't properly turn and look at Picard and deliver the

514
00:22:57.059 --> 00:22:59.880
dialogue. concerned about her.

515
00:22:59.940 --> 00:23:01.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

516
00:23:01.380 --> 00:23:01.740
Yeah.

517
00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.799
Yes, I don't know why they can't survive for longer, though.

518
00:23:07.859 --> 00:23:09.599
Like they don't like a colony.

519
00:23:09.660 --> 00:23:11.220
Like, why don't they have replicators?

520
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.140
I don't know what's happening here. like whatever.

521
00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:13.619
Okay.

522
00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:15.299
And then he goes, what is it?

523
00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:17.160
No, we don't want your replicators and shit.

524
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:17.819
I love it.

525
00:23:17.819 --> 00:23:18.359
She goes.

526
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:19.559
No, we do.

527
00:23:19.619 --> 00:23:20.039
Shut up.

528
00:23:20.099 --> 00:23:20.880
Yes.

529
00:23:20.940 --> 00:23:22.680
She's so wonderful.

530
00:23:22.740 --> 00:23:25.740
She's absolutely someone that I would be in love with for 50

531
00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:26.039
years.

532
00:23:26.099 --> 00:23:30.000
She's brilliant in this, but I think she's even better in the

533
00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:35.400
season one, DS9 episode back to where she plays the judge at Dax's

534
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:37.200
trial and has the line.

535
00:23:37.259 --> 00:23:40.859
I intend to be here until supper, not senility.

536
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:44.759
Look at this.

537
00:23:44.819 --> 00:23:45.960
That's a nice trick, yeah.

538
00:23:46.019 --> 00:23:47.700
It's really good, isn't it?

539
00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:49.140
It's very good.

540
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:52.500
I think I think in 3 they said, come on, we can do better than

541
00:23:52.500 --> 00:23:52.740
this.

542
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:53.880
Let's up our game.

543
00:23:53.940 --> 00:23:56.519
Well, and also we've got this set.

544
00:23:56.579 --> 00:23:58.380
Look at how long that corridor is.

545
00:23:58.500 --> 00:24:01.619
You know, I wish Michael sold this better.

546
00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:04.859
This, like, I love Michael in this.

547
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:10.200
I love when he goes up to Kevin Uxbridge and says you had a lot of

548
00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:14.279
gall, you know, menacing us with a phase that didn't work and he

549
00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:15.960
goes, I admire gall.

550
00:24:16.019 --> 00:24:19.440
And like he smiles and stuff like they're starting to work out.

551
00:24:19.500 --> 00:24:21.839
I start to realise there's comics. comedy potential.

552
00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:24.779
Later on, he goes, nice tea.

553
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:26.400
Yeah, he's drinking.

554
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.859
No, doesn't he say your big house?

555
00:24:28.980 --> 00:24:30.059
Nice tea.

556
00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:32.400
Oh, here she goes.

557
00:24:32.460 --> 00:24:34.799
Please make it stop.

558
00:24:34.859 --> 00:24:36.000
Oh, yeah, yeah.

559
00:24:36.059 --> 00:24:39.180
She's just a little bit too pathetic, I think, is the problem.

560
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:41.220
Oh, you heard that tune though?

561
00:24:41.220 --> 00:24:43.619
That tune is pretty rough.

562
00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:45.539
That's it.

563
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:46.740
I'm like, how should you know?

564
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:49.319
Just keep up appearances, she brushes her hair very quickly before

565
00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:50.279
Picard walks in.

566
00:24:50.339 --> 00:24:54.359
I like Picant going in to see that she's okay too, rather than

567
00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:55.259
Beverly, you know.

568
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:58.079
I think that's one of the biggest strengths in this show, though

569
00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:01.680
is that that sort of familial relationship that everybody has and

570
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:03.359
how everybody is concerned for each other.

571
00:25:03.420 --> 00:25:04.859
We said before.

572
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:06.539
Yeah, but it's No, go on.

573
00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:07.019
Yeah.

574
00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:08.279
No, it's not discovery.

575
00:25:08.339 --> 00:25:09.059
Do you know what I mean?

576
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:12.180
They don't all love one another in the way that Discovery, the

577
00:25:12.180 --> 00:25:16.500
crew of Discovery do, but it is, you know, it is collegial and

578
00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:19.619
professional, but they do like one another and they work well

579
00:25:19.619 --> 00:25:20.700
together.

580
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:22.619
Look he's so charming in this scene.

581
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:26.880
I love the way he tries to offhand, he goes, well, we all have

582
00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:29.339
that melody that won't go away, Council Troy.

583
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:30.240
No, don't worry.

584
00:25:30.299 --> 00:25:34.920
Yeah, and what's good here too, is that she doesn't, like, this

585
00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:38.220
isn't a thing about her just bullshitting them and lying.

586
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:40.920
Like that's how she thinks she's going to play it when Picard

587
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:41.339
comes in.

588
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:42.299
Do you know what I mean?

589
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:43.140
She's combing her hair.

590
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:46.619
She's decided she's just gonna, you know, and then he comes and

591
00:25:46.619 --> 00:25:48.839
expresses sympathy and she just tells him the truth.

592
00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:49.980
This is intolerable.

593
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:50.460
I can't.

594
00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:54.299
The only thing, like there's the 2 plots going on, isn't it?

595
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:57.240
There's this. her hearing the music and then there's the mystery

596
00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:57.779
on the planet.

597
00:25:57.839 --> 00:25:59.279
Obviously, the 2 of them are...

598
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:02.220
We kind of know that, but we don't know that yet.

599
00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:06.359
Well, we do because the music in the music in the...

600
00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:09.359
But the problem with these scenes is it's just the same thing over

601
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:09.960
and over again.

602
00:26:10.019 --> 00:26:10.980
We cut back to Troy.

603
00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:11.759
She hears the music.

604
00:26:11.819 --> 00:26:13.619
She's in a lot of pain.

605
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:15.599
And there's no development of that plot.

606
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:19.619
She's just, it's just, whereas the other plot. is constantly

607
00:26:19.619 --> 00:26:22.799
changing, there's a little cat and mouth with the ship, you know

608
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:24.000
the mystery's deepening.

609
00:26:24.059 --> 00:26:27.599
We get answers, all that happens with the Council of Troy

610
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:27.960
players.

611
00:26:28.019 --> 00:26:30.119
We get to the end and he comes along and goes, well, the music's

612
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:30.299
gone.

613
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:35.400
I'm with, you know, as a B plot, it's a bit redundant.

614
00:26:35.460 --> 00:26:39.960
But I do like, I do like Dr. Beverly trying to find different ways

615
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:43.559
to make a, effectively, at one point she goes, I'm going to put

616
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:44.339
her in a coma.

617
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:46.920
It's the only way we should...

618
00:26:46.980 --> 00:26:47.460
That's right.

619
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:53.819
So it's come back.

620
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:56.220
Now, why has it come back now?

621
00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:01.500
Um, it's come back in order to get, oh, yeah, see this, see, this

622
00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:04.380
doesn't sort of fully land, I reckon, because he stakes his

623
00:27:04.380 --> 00:27:09.240
reputation on the, on the ship not being there and he's right.

624
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:12.960
And it should be, I don't know.

625
00:27:13.019 --> 00:27:16.380
Part of the other problem with this is this doesn't work because

626
00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:19.559
Picard plays his card so close to his chest.

627
00:27:19.619 --> 00:27:24.420
And because he won't reveal what he thinks is happening until the

628
00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:27.839
very end because that spoils it as a mystery for the audience.

629
00:27:27.900 --> 00:27:31.380
He truly knows until very near the end.

630
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:31.680
No.

631
00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:36.359
But, like, he's got a hunch that they're being pushed away

632
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:37.019
obviously.

633
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:38.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

634
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:43.079
But he should be suspicious already, I think, or should have said

635
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:48.599
something like the, the fact that he's not angry at, um, you know

636
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:53.220
he's not particularly annoyed at wharf who has staked his

637
00:27:53.220 --> 00:27:55.859
reputation on the ship not being there anymore.

638
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.200
And now here the ship is.

639
00:27:58.259 --> 00:28:00.000
You know, he's scanned really thoroughly.

640
00:28:00.059 --> 00:28:03.359
He makes some remark about how thoroughly he's scanned.

641
00:28:03.420 --> 00:28:07.799
You know, Picard should be noticing that that's odd.

642
00:28:07.859 --> 00:28:09.059
Do you know what I mean?

643
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.119
Like, rather than just letting him be embarrassed and stuff.

644
00:28:12.180 --> 00:28:17.940
What I did like was as these encounters with the ship increased

645
00:28:17.940 --> 00:28:22.799
Picard's sort of reaction to the danger in the verted commas got

646
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.819
more relaxed and his line delivery, he was like, wow, yes, you

647
00:28:26.819 --> 00:28:30.240
know, Racer Shields, Mr. Mr. Riker.

648
00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:30.779
Yeah, yeah.

649
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:33.059
You know, he's playing it in a very knowing way.

650
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:33.960
Say something.

651
00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:34.980
You would say something.

652
00:28:35.700 --> 00:28:38.579
I suppose they're trying to hold back the twist as late as

653
00:28:38.579 --> 00:28:38.819
possible.

654
00:28:38.940 --> 00:28:39.839
Of course they are.

655
00:28:39.900 --> 00:28:40.440
Yeah, yeah.

656
00:28:40.500 --> 00:28:43.440
In order to make the mystery work and that's fine, but it just

657
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:44.519
doesn't quite work.

658
00:28:44.579 --> 00:28:46.680
There's Geordie. 2nd cameo.

659
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:51.539
But I love the way that he delivers that kind of, that, it's like

660
00:28:51.539 --> 00:28:55.019
we're cutting to Geordie somewhere else in the studio, you know

661
00:28:55.019 --> 00:28:55.380
what I mean?

662
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.680
And now across to our engineering expert, Jordy La Forge. and we

663
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:02.460
cut to him and we get his little thing and then we cut away and I

664
00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:02.819
love that.

665
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:03.900
It's so telly.

666
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:06.180
It's so televisual. you know, you don't do it in a movie.

667
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.279
It's absolutely a television move, I think.

668
00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:10.079
You've got the director time yet, right?

669
00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:11.160
Three seconds.

670
00:29:11.220 --> 00:29:13.079
That's contract or obligation.

671
00:29:13.140 --> 00:29:15.059
I love his lips.

672
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.880
Yeah, I know I keep going on about them, but...

673
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:18.900
Yeah, he's a handsome man.

674
00:29:20.099 --> 00:29:22.500
Yes, and then...

675
00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:24.900
Well, another thing I did notice, you know, was during the

676
00:29:24.900 --> 00:29:29.460
sequences with the spaceship, they're doing that sort of dun, dun

677
00:29:29.460 --> 00:29:35.279
dun, dun, dun, dun, music, which, you know, we said it's a bit

678
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.039
bland, but back in the day when I 1st listened to this, I used to

679
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:39.359
love all that sort of battle music.

680
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:43.500
Yeah, look at this.

681
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:45.660
This has been shot at the end of the day, isn't it?

682
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:46.440
Look at look at the sun.

683
00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:46.980
Yes.

684
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:48.660
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

685
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.180
It's really golden, golden hour.

686
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:51.839
It's beautiful.

687
00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:56.039
And it, you know, it's, it is an idyllic little setting, isn't

688
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:56.220
it?

689
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:57.420
I'd love a garden.

690
00:29:57.660 --> 00:29:59.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

691
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:05.220
You know, he's clinging onto a vision of what they had.

692
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:06.720
I think it's really well done.

693
00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:09.119
Yeah, yeah.

694
00:30:09.420 --> 00:30:11.579
But I love her.

695
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:12.599
Do you know what I mean?

696
00:30:12.660 --> 00:30:13.559
Like it...

697
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:14.700
Well, we like lucky women.

698
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:15.240
Don't worry.

699
00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:18.299
Yeah, no, but I've never turned anyone away from this house and

700
00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:19.200
I'm not going to start now.

701
00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:20.880
And you kind of think, yes, good for you.

702
00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:22.920
That's why he loves you.

703
00:30:22.980 --> 00:30:24.420
Please.

704
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:25.799
Oh, do anything.

705
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:27.599
Yeah, yeah come on.

706
00:30:27.660 --> 00:30:28.500
Oh, come on.

707
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:34.500
Just handle it a little bit more, you know, bravely.

708
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:37.680
The camera moving and all of that, like the way that that scene

709
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.579
was directed, you know, like to emphasise, and even this, where

710
00:30:41.579 --> 00:30:43.859
she's kind of not properly in frame.

711
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:47.220
You know, like she's not addressing the camera, she's sort of

712
00:30:47.220 --> 00:30:48.180
turned away from it and stuff.

713
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.400
Like all of that stuff is really pretty good.

714
00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:53.220
Um, It's nice to hear.

715
00:30:53.220 --> 00:30:54.180
Yeah, as well, what it is.

716
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:55.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

717
00:30:55.380 --> 00:30:57.839
And they've decided not to use the sick basset because that's a

718
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:00.960
bit more boring and boring how much slap she's got on her face

719
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:01.319
there.

720
00:31:02.579 --> 00:31:03.299
Yeah, I know.

721
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.019
It's a very light, light lipstick.

722
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:09.119
And this is sort of Beverly's heavy blusher period.

723
00:31:09.180 --> 00:31:10.140
Look at her cheek.

724
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:11.519
Yes, yeah.

725
00:31:13.259 --> 00:31:16.740
I like pawn today in Sick Bay.

726
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:18.359
I better put a big horse back on.

727
00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:24.240
I mean, by the time you get to DS9, it calms down a lot, right?

728
00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:25.259
Kira and Max.

729
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:28.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. that's true Oh, I love this.

730
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:32.519
I did like this backstory about how, you know, she met him.

731
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.500
And within 2 hours, she proposed to him.

732
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:36.359
She close to him.

733
00:31:36.420 --> 00:31:40.859
Yes, I laughed out loud, actually, at the surprise there.

734
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:41.819
I thought it was lovely.

735
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:43.200
I thought it was so great.

736
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:46.319
Sorry, look out that window.

737
00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:47.039
That's not bad.

738
00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:49.740
As TNG goes, that's not what.

739
00:31:49.859 --> 00:31:50.339
That is.

740
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:51.119
Maybe that is.

741
00:31:51.180 --> 00:31:52.079
What is that?

742
00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:54.359
Let me just look. got some depth to it, isn't it?

743
00:31:54.420 --> 00:31:55.619
I don't know.

744
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:56.880
It can't be.

745
00:31:56.940 --> 00:31:58.440
They can't have shot indoors, surely.

746
00:31:58.559 --> 00:31:59.700
Oh, there you go.

747
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:01.140
He went, he went, nice house.

748
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:01.920
Nice tea.

749
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.200
Oh, yeah.

750
00:32:07.259 --> 00:32:10.380
Yeah, because that window does look like the window on the outside

751
00:32:10.380 --> 00:32:13.319
and I don't know, I can't even tell anymore.

752
00:32:13.380 --> 00:32:14.039
How about that?

753
00:32:14.099 --> 00:32:15.720
I'm so used to them never going outside.

754
00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:18.299
They only had a single day, believe, though.

755
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:22.559
One quote on memory acid, they had one day outside in Malibu.

756
00:32:22.619 --> 00:32:24.299
So there's no way they shot the whole thing in a day.

757
00:32:24.420 --> 00:32:26.940
No, no.

758
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:27.420
Yeah.

759
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:28.079
Yeah.

760
00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:30.119
That is pretty good. whatever's going on there.

761
00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:32.279
No, notice there's no wind at all.

762
00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:35.099
So it is pretty good though.

763
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.200
Look at how, isn't it?

764
00:32:37.259 --> 00:32:41.819
Like manhunt, yeah, was what, 3 episodes, 4 episodes from the end

765
00:32:41.819 --> 00:32:42.599
of series two.

766
00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:45.599
This is only 3 episodes into series three.

767
00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:49.380
And look at how visibly relaxed Patrick Stewart is.

768
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:51.359
Yeah, yeah, in comparison.

769
00:32:51.420 --> 00:32:52.559
Yeah.

770
00:32:52.619 --> 00:32:56.640
I think I think between 2 and three, he actually went, this is

771
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:57.240
going to run.

772
00:32:57.900 --> 00:33:00.539
I'm going to put some effort into this now.

773
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:01.319
That's right.

774
00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:04.559
If this wasn't defeated by the rider strike, and if it was still

775
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:08.880
renewed after series one, I think I'm stuck here for the next, you

776
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:10.500
know, the next 5 years or whatever.

777
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:13.559
It's just so different about his voice as well. in one and two.

778
00:33:13.619 --> 00:33:17.160
He's doing this sort of clipped very in his voice.

779
00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:22.079
And now it's just, it is just a...

780
00:33:22.140 --> 00:33:25.680
Well, you know, who watches the watches comes after this and his

781
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:26.880
performance in that is...

782
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:28.920
Incredibly good.

783
00:33:28.980 --> 00:33:33.420
And another great story where they go outside a lot as well, which

784
00:33:33.420 --> 00:33:34.980
really benefits from it.

785
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.660
All of this stuff is so interesting, isn't it?

786
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:40.799
That's the other thing too.

787
00:33:40.859 --> 00:33:43.200
Like he is actually speaking to Kevin.

788
00:33:43.259 --> 00:33:44.700
He's thinking aloud.

789
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:48.900
You know something about you has to be different for you to have

790
00:33:48.900 --> 00:33:49.799
survived this.

791
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.819
I like I like the randomness of him saying the colour of your

792
00:33:53.819 --> 00:33:54.119
eyes.

793
00:33:54.180 --> 00:33:56.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

794
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.779
And I also like this stuff too about pacifism.

795
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:05.160
So he says I'm someone of special conscience and Picard says

796
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:06.839
that's your protected ride.

797
00:34:06.900 --> 00:34:11.219
So legally you can't be forced to fight in the Federation is what

798
00:34:11.219 --> 00:34:14.039
we're learning, which seems reasonable, that the Federation

799
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:18.300
respects people who are conscientiously are unable to agree to

800
00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:19.619
fight.

801
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:26.699
Um, And it, and something happens, like that's interesting.

802
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:28.619
That's super interesting, I think.

803
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.320
Um, and we don't quite know why yet.

804
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.980
I like the fact that Picard says to her, what about you, Rashawn?

805
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.860
Because until that point, we're only worrying about his reaction

806
00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:39.179
to the conflicts.

807
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:43.559
And it's almost pointing the finger saying he's the only character

808
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:47.639
here, how he feels, what he thinks about fighting is what's

809
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:47.940
important.

810
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:51.179
But actually, shifting the focus on the obstacle, though.

811
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:54.960
Yeah, he is the obstacle though, and she seems to be kind of

812
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:57.599
willing to allow him to be, but yes, yeah, I think it does

813
00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.099
foreshadow what we discover about her.

814
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:02.820
I don't think when I 1st watched this, I don't think at one point

815
00:35:02.820 --> 00:35:05.820
I didn't think she was, I thought she wasn't real.

816
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.360
I absolutely thought she was a real person and that the 2 of them

817
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:10.619
were keeping some big secret.

818
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:12.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

819
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.380
You know, this does cheat a bit as well.

820
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:19.559
Like, this isn't this isn't a fair play mystery in the sense that

821
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:20.940
you could have worked this out.

822
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.280
There was enough here for you to work it out.

823
00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:27.659
And part of the thing is that because Star Trek can help itself to

824
00:35:27.659 --> 00:35:29.340
omnipotent alien entities.

825
00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:30.599
Do you know what I mean?

826
00:35:30.659 --> 00:35:31.860
Anything could be real.

827
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:33.840
Like, literally anything could have happened.

828
00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:36.599
And so that's that is what we get here.

829
00:35:36.659 --> 00:35:39.300
So it's not quite a mystery in the sort of proper sense of the

830
00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:40.980
word where you play along at home.

831
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:44.639
When we watch Remember Me, where all the pieces were there for you

832
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:47.219
to be able to figure out what was going on to Dr. Beverly and

833
00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:47.340
that.

834
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:50.460
I think maybe they got better at telling these sort of stories.

835
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:51.719
Yeah, that's right.

836
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.159
There's that moment, isn't there?

837
00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:56.280
if you're paying attention and if you remember it, you actually

838
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:58.619
notice that she goes into the warp bubble.

839
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:02.400
But the direction was complicit with the mystery as well and

840
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:02.880
remember me.

841
00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:04.679
Yes, that's right.

842
00:36:04.739 --> 00:36:05.280
That's right.

843
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.619
Whereas here they're sort of learning how to do it.

844
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:09.900
They're doing a good stab.

845
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:11.760
Oh yeah, look, I agree.

846
00:36:11.820 --> 00:36:12.239
I agree.

847
00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:17.340
So, um, Jama gave these 4 stars out of four.

848
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:18.780
What do they give who watches the watchers?

849
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.239
Oh, I didn't check actually.

850
00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:21.960
I didn't look.

851
00:36:22.019 --> 00:36:27.840
But see, because, and I think this is it, we've sort of said this

852
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:31.079
before, Jammer likes this kind of Star Trek.

853
00:36:31.139 --> 00:36:33.659
It likes a procedural Star Trek.

854
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:35.880
And this is very well done procedural.

855
00:36:35.940 --> 00:36:37.199
It's not perfect.

856
00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:38.340
It's not there yet.

857
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:39.659
Do you know what I mean?

858
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:42.659
It's not there yet, but it's really good.

859
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:43.860
It's just well done.

860
00:36:44.219 --> 00:36:47.159
It does Star Trek the Next Generation things and it does them well

861
00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:50.340
because it's so much better than what we've had already.

862
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.000
I think that's why I give this a huge pass.

863
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.780
Because this is the point where they're saying what we've done

864
00:36:57.780 --> 00:36:58.559
isn't good enough.

865
00:36:58.860 --> 00:37:03.539
No, but it's amazing because I do think that the previous 2

866
00:37:03.539 --> 00:37:07.559
episodes are, that's also evident, even though there's problems

867
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:14.940
with, um, you know, the guy, the main, the main guest guy in, um

868
00:37:14.940 --> 00:37:15.719
evolution.

869
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:20.219
No instance of command, the main guest guy in Ensigns of Command

870
00:37:20.219 --> 00:37:23.039
is dubbed the entire way through.

871
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:23.699
Really?

872
00:37:23.699 --> 00:37:25.500
And you can absolutely tell.

873
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:29.219
They didn't like his voice and they couldn't reshoot or recast and

874
00:37:29.219 --> 00:37:31.199
so they got someone else to do his dialogue.

875
00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:33.179
Fabulous bloke from scrubs.

876
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:36.000
You know, that really obnoxious doctor from scrubs and evolution.

877
00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:38.940
But the bit where I realised they'd learned to chill out a bit was

878
00:37:38.940 --> 00:37:42.659
the bit where the nanites were all over the ship and Picard goes

879
00:37:42.659 --> 00:37:46.079
you know, raised the shields and suddenly a brass band starts

880
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.760
going, da, da, da, da, da, and the camera goes right in his face

881
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:52.920
and he's like, what is going on?

882
00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:56.400
Well, that's this one too.

883
00:37:56.460 --> 00:37:57.300
Do you know what I mean?

884
00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:59.099
Like this is much more serious, I think.

885
00:37:59.219 --> 00:38:01.139
But this is camp.

886
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:01.739
Do you know what I mean?

887
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:05.280
Like there's a the sound of a music box is going through her

888
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:05.579
head.

889
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:06.360
That's...

890
00:38:06.420 --> 00:38:07.559
I do like how they're playing it for real.

891
00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:08.039
I know.

892
00:38:08.099 --> 00:38:10.139
I mean, I think maybe that's why I liked it because it's so

893
00:38:10.139 --> 00:38:10.679
discordant.

894
00:38:10.739 --> 00:38:11.880
It's such a weird thing, isn't it?

895
00:38:11.940 --> 00:38:12.840
The music box.

896
00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:14.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah. torturing her.

897
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:18.360
But because it's played for real, I think that's why I was so

898
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:19.559
invested in all of this.

899
00:38:19.619 --> 00:38:20.880
Now you're right.

900
00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:22.800
It is, it is a bit camp.

901
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:28.139
He is sharing something with Beverly here, though.

902
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:32.820
Like, he definitely suspects Kevin and Rashon, and he thinks that

903
00:38:32.820 --> 00:38:36.599
they might be behind the spaceship arriving.

904
00:38:36.659 --> 00:38:41.159
I like the cuts are Commander Riker every single time because he

905
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:42.480
says it about 4 times in this.

906
00:38:42.539 --> 00:38:46.920
Then take us back to Rana and Raka's like, oh, God's sake.

907
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:49.440
Back and forth, back and forth.

908
00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:52.079
We're on our bus service, you know.

909
00:38:52.380 --> 00:38:56.940
Well, you know, the last time, and he goes, wait an hour, and then

910
00:38:56.940 --> 00:38:58.199
take us back.

911
00:38:58.260 --> 00:39:00.480
Is that just to give Deanna Troy a bit of respite?

912
00:39:00.539 --> 00:39:02.280
You know, as they get further away from the planet?

913
00:39:02.340 --> 00:39:04.320
Here's what I complained didn't happen.

914
00:39:04.380 --> 00:39:06.059
Forget your era, wharf.

915
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:07.980
There's no way that you could have prevented it.

916
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:10.679
So he doesn't, he doesn't explain.

917
00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:11.940
Do you know what I mean?

918
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:13.079
He doesn't tell anyone.

919
00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:14.699
Um, but...

920
00:39:14.699 --> 00:39:18.239
Um, actually, he's, he said there.

921
00:39:18.300 --> 00:39:20.280
I think it thinks it's runners off the good.

922
00:39:20.340 --> 00:39:22.139
So yeah, he does know.

923
00:39:22.260 --> 00:39:23.039
Yeah, doesn't he?

924
00:39:23.099 --> 00:39:28.019
Yeah, he knows, but he's not properly explaining it's protecting

925
00:39:28.019 --> 00:39:29.639
it responds to their wishes.

926
00:39:29.699 --> 00:39:31.559
He said indirectly or directly.

927
00:39:31.619 --> 00:39:34.440
I'm not sure So he's not sure if it's being done.

928
00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:39.719
So he is being more, he is being more upfront with them than I

929
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:42.960
thought, but there does come a point in the episode where he just

930
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:47.940
seems to be perversely kind of not giving them information. where

931
00:39:47.940 --> 00:39:49.199
they're dancing around the house.

932
00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:51.420
No, no, I mean, it's terrible dancing.

933
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:53.940
But then he says, oh, do you have a reason to celebrate?

934
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.099
You thought we were gold, you know?

935
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:59.460
Suddenly he's playing a few psychological games with them.

936
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:02.699
Oh, he has a dig at them later for dancing as well.

937
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:06.780
Like there's some line where he says he sneeringly refers to it

938
00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:07.139
again.

939
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.619
This is the 2nd time you've shown surprise at my appearance.

940
00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:17.340
I mean, if there was ever going to be an actor, I would trust with

941
00:40:17.340 --> 00:40:19.679
a better pretence like this, is Patrick Stewart.

942
00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:22.199
To keep the line a double meaning, you know?

943
00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:24.000
Yeah, he's good.

944
00:40:24.059 --> 00:40:24.719
He's probably good.

945
00:40:26.099 --> 00:40:30.420
Well, I think he, I think, like I said earlier, he's realising

946
00:40:30.420 --> 00:40:35.280
that actually this could be good television, if he puts his heart

947
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.039
and soul into it, because I really don't think he was with those

948
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:38.699
1st 2 years.

949
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:41.519
No, this is a bit of a stupid line, isn't it?

950
00:40:41.579 --> 00:40:44.340
Like he just says, oh, well, the ship will just stay here for the

951
00:40:44.340 --> 00:40:45.239
rest of your lives.

952
00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:46.800
Do you know what I mean?

953
00:40:46.860 --> 00:40:49.440
It's just like, oh, okay, so you're gonna stay here for years, are

954
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:49.619
you?

955
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:50.519
Is that the plan?

956
00:40:50.579 --> 00:40:52.679
You know, Rashon's only 55?

957
00:40:52.739 --> 00:40:55.139
Like, you know, they could be here for a while.

958
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:58.320
Um, But, yeah.

959
00:40:58.380 --> 00:41:00.059
It's just not 55...

960
00:41:00.059 --> 00:41:01.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

961
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:02.219
So it's Kevin.

962
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:05.099
I like her reaction to all this though, where she's really sort of

963
00:41:05.099 --> 00:41:05.880
perturbed.

964
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:10.679
Was she, like, neither of them likes seeing the other one upset

965
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:11.699
which I think is really good.

966
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:15.420
Like he says, I don't like seeing my wife frightened and she keeps

967
00:41:15.420 --> 00:41:20.699
saying to him, stop hurting my husband, you know, like he, and I

968
00:41:20.699 --> 00:41:23.400
guess that kind of works, doesn't it?

969
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:28.139
It, like, if at this point we think it's both of them.

970
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:30.000
We think it's both of them, don't we?

971
00:41:30.059 --> 00:41:32.880
Yeah, like, your twist is that it's not.

972
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:34.679
That's the twist now.

973
00:41:34.739 --> 00:41:38.159
And like you said, I don't think at any point you would know that

974
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:41.760
you could figure out that he was the only person there that she

975
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:42.360
isn't real.

976
00:41:42.420 --> 00:41:46.440
So maybe we needed a few more hints, but given how TNG generally

977
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:48.000
hints towards the Twist.

978
00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:48.659
What about this question?

979
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:50.159
What about this question?

980
00:41:50.219 --> 00:41:54.300
If she was in danger, would you kill to save her life and he says

981
00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:55.440
no, I would. wouldn't.

982
00:41:55.559 --> 00:42:00.900
And so that's when Picard concludes because she said that she

983
00:42:00.900 --> 00:42:06.960
doesn't share his pacifism, you know, but she decided to stay and

984
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:11.159
not fight because he didn't want her to or because she was, you

985
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:12.900
know, she wanted to be with him or something.

986
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:13.860
That's a lie.

987
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:17.039
He is representing her character, as she was.

988
00:42:17.340 --> 00:42:19.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

989
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.260
But the lie the lie is, of course, that she did go off and fight

990
00:42:22.260 --> 00:42:22.860
and get killed.

991
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:24.239
And he's not lying.

992
00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:26.280
He wouldn't kill to prevent her death.

993
00:42:26.340 --> 00:42:27.059
He didn't.

994
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:28.079
Did he?

995
00:42:28.139 --> 00:42:30.659
He just lost his shit for a moment after she died.

996
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:34.380
Watch out an entire species. 500000000 people.

997
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:36.239
It happens when you get angry.

998
00:42:36.300 --> 00:42:37.739
Yeah, I know.

999
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:41.519
We've all had days like that Is he my imagination or is that

1000
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:43.079
bridge set a bit darker than usual?

1001
00:42:43.980 --> 00:42:49.739
I think they do change the way that it's lit in series 3.

1002
00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:54.179
And I think that we end up with much, much more even key

1003
00:42:54.179 --> 00:42:54.900
lighting.

1004
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:57.119
Like, I think it's actually not an improvement.

1005
00:42:57.179 --> 00:43:01.320
I do think that the direction is generally better in series 3, but

1006
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:02.880
the lighting is much less interesting.

1007
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:05.460
For some reason.

1008
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:08.639
We still got Ron Jones in there, like, sort of music, still doing

1009
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:09.059
good things.

1010
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:10.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1011
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:11.280
Yeah.

1012
00:43:11.340 --> 00:43:15.300
And he's scoring a big spaceship coming up towards the, uh, coming

1013
00:43:15.300 --> 00:43:17.039
up towards the viewscreen.

1014
00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:20.280
He's having fun.

1015
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.579
A spaceship looks terrible, mate, doesn't it?

1016
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:24.539
It looks like a better Lego.

1017
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:30.000
I actually think that what we're watching is the new version.

1018
00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:30.960
Yeah.

1019
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:37.079
Well, I just think they had far, far fewer shots available to them

1020
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:38.940
that they could actually achieve.

1021
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.780
And so this shot from behind and stuff like that, that's not there

1022
00:43:42.780 --> 00:43:43.440
I think, in the original.

1023
00:43:43.500 --> 00:43:44.400
I could be wrong.

1024
00:43:44.460 --> 00:43:47.699
He gets a chance now to play these things in a fun way. just went

1025
00:43:47.699 --> 00:43:50.159
there will be no interference from house, Mr. Data.

1026
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.340
As this ship is blasting the planet.

1027
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:57.300
But I think that he should be telling them at this point, don't

1028
00:43:57.300 --> 00:43:57.480
you?

1029
00:43:57.719 --> 00:43:59.820
Maybe you did offscreen.

1030
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:02.280
Or you think you should be doing it for our benefit?

1031
00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:04.860
No, no, no, not for our benefit.

1032
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:05.880
That's the thing.

1033
00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:08.579
That's where this doesn't quite work where the artifice actually

1034
00:44:08.579 --> 00:44:10.079
isn't quite properly worked.

1035
00:44:10.139 --> 00:44:12.659
But his delivery in a 2nd though, where he goes.

1036
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:14.820
Is there any reason for us to stay, number one?

1037
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:18.900
And Riker goes, well, no, the Uxbridges are destroyed, the ship's

1038
00:44:18.900 --> 00:44:19.320
destroyed.

1039
00:44:19.380 --> 00:44:21.599
Well, he goes, well, let's go then, shall we?

1040
00:44:21.659 --> 00:44:22.980
Yeah, that's it.

1041
00:44:23.099 --> 00:44:25.380
So he's suddenly behaving weirdly.

1042
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:26.460
Do you know what I mean?

1043
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:30.360
And that's weird because he is bathing weirdly because he doesn't

1044
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.420
say, look, I think it's just going to make us think that they're

1045
00:44:33.420 --> 00:44:34.320
dead so that we leave.

1046
00:44:34.380 --> 00:44:35.639
Do you know what I mean?

1047
00:44:35.699 --> 00:44:37.320
That's what you would really do, isn't it?

1048
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.559
There's no reason for him to conceal this.

1049
00:44:40.619 --> 00:44:42.719
I just like how it's played, though.

1050
00:44:42.780 --> 00:44:43.559
I like how it's acted.

1051
00:44:43.619 --> 00:44:44.400
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1052
00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:46.019
It does mean he's bit more relaxed.

1053
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:50.519
Poor Wesley, like the high definition doesn't do him any favours

1054
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:51.059
does.

1055
00:44:51.179 --> 00:44:53.099
Well, data either, I'm honest.

1056
00:44:53.099 --> 00:44:53.820
That makeup.

1057
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:58.440
No, but Wesley has a lot of acne happening there.

1058
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:02.159
Oh my god, did you see that crash zoom onto Riker's face?

1059
00:45:02.219 --> 00:45:03.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1060
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.780
I look straight to the camera and goes, what's going on?

1061
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:11.099
The 2nd shot like that that's led to an ad break, this episode.

1062
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:12.420
Like that happened earlier.

1063
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:14.219
God, for Frank's like, yes.

1064
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:15.960
I'm getting all the closing shots.

1065
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:22.019
Now he's here saying, actually, that's all pretty dumb.

1066
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.300
Why don't you actually tell us something?

1067
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:27.059
Please just tell us, yeah, explain to your favourite, Richard.

1068
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:28.619
No, number one.

1069
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:34.019
I'm having too much fun here. playing hide and seek with the

1070
00:45:34.019 --> 00:45:34.679
Uxbridges.

1071
00:45:34.739 --> 00:45:38.820
So this is him trying to kind of justify it.

1072
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.699
Well, he says he doesn't...

1073
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:44.099
Yeah, but it's kind of like you can say that.

1074
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:47.579
Like he could say, actually, I'm not entirely certain that this is

1075
00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:50.940
what's going on, but, you know, he could have explained this

1076
00:45:50.940 --> 00:45:51.239
earlier.

1077
00:45:51.300 --> 00:45:56.039
I've got to be honestly, because the idea that the 2 of them are

1078
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.579
keeping our big secret, that's really interesting, because just

1079
00:45:59.579 --> 00:46:03.000
the whole setup of the house on the planet, that's so

1080
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:03.480
interesting.

1081
00:46:03.539 --> 00:46:05.099
Like, I didn't really mind.

1082
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:07.679
I didn't as this episode was playing out.

1083
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:10.260
The plot itself was interesting.

1084
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:13.199
It kept me focussed enough, but I didn't care that there were some

1085
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.059
of these sort of inconsistencies going on.

1086
00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:16.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1087
00:46:16.380 --> 00:46:19.139
Well, and that's where we learn that he thinks that it's just one

1088
00:46:19.139 --> 00:46:19.800
survivor.

1089
00:46:19.860 --> 00:46:21.480
Just what are the answers, you know?

1090
00:46:21.539 --> 00:46:22.679
I'm like what is going on?

1091
00:46:22.739 --> 00:46:24.420
Look, it's back.

1092
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:30.059
And what I like is when the answers come, it does make sense and

1093
00:46:30.059 --> 00:46:30.900
it is satisfying.

1094
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:34.440
You know, and it's emotionally satisfying as well as the plot.

1095
00:46:34.500 --> 00:46:35.940
Yeah, I agree.

1096
00:46:36.059 --> 00:46:36.719
I agree.

1097
00:46:38.460 --> 00:46:41.880
It's worth remembering, you know, we did have a lot of sort of

1098
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:46.920
climaxes in season one and 2 where it was just like, well, you all

1099
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:48.960
were a load of drug dealers and now you're going to have to deal

1100
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:49.260
with it.

1101
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:50.820
Come on, let's go, threat.

1102
00:46:50.940 --> 00:46:53.940
But I mean here, you know, look at his boots.

1103
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:55.139
Look at Kevin's boots.

1104
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:55.920
Look at his pants.

1105
00:46:55.980 --> 00:46:56.519
Jesus Christ.

1106
00:46:56.579 --> 00:46:57.840
Suddenly they're in this.

1107
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:00.659
But one of them looks relaxed.

1108
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.219
They're all meant to buggery as well.

1109
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:09.900
No, I just don't think this is a set anyone feels naturalistic in

1110
00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:10.380
it.

1111
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:16.739
I think Patrick Stewart plays this brilliantly, though, when he

1112
00:47:16.739 --> 00:47:17.880
goes up to Rishon.

1113
00:47:19.019 --> 00:47:21.659
Yeah, yeah.

1114
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:22.920
And it like.

1115
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.139
Like she vanishes.

1116
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:25.920
She doesn't come back.

1117
00:47:25.980 --> 00:47:26.760
Do you know what I mean?

1118
00:47:26.820 --> 00:47:28.079
Like he just dismisses her.

1119
00:47:28.139 --> 00:47:29.699
And what do we think?

1120
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:30.960
Is he going back to the planet?

1121
00:47:31.019 --> 00:47:33.000
Does he go back to the planet and live with her at the end?

1122
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:33.840
I don't know.

1123
00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:38.460
Um, Yeah, see, this is hurting my husband.

1124
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:41.760
She's so she's so good.

1125
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:42.960
She's so terrific.

1126
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:49.739
So this is the this is the accusing scene, isn't it?

1127
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.380
We get them together and we accuse them of a crime, you know, at

1128
00:47:52.380 --> 00:47:53.039
the end of the mystery.

1129
00:47:53.099 --> 00:47:54.480
He's just doing a big...

1130
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:55.860
The Poiro reveal, isn't it?

1131
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:57.360
Yes, he's doing the big Poirot.

1132
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.119
We've only got 2 suspects and only one of them is real.

1133
00:48:00.179 --> 00:48:01.679
Yeah, that's right.

1134
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:07.079
Yes, provided you with the only doubt that it was them.

1135
00:48:07.139 --> 00:48:09.840
It literally takes a step by step through the plot.

1136
00:48:09.900 --> 00:48:11.159
This is what happened.

1137
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:12.960
This is why I've done these things.

1138
00:48:13.019 --> 00:48:14.280
This is what you were doing.

1139
00:48:14.340 --> 00:48:15.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1140
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:19.019
Fortunately, the fella playing Kevin.

1141
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:24.360
He's got the chops to sell like the huge things that he's talking

1142
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:30.059
about in a minute about so angry when she died that he wiped out

1143
00:48:30.059 --> 00:48:32.340
an entire species because, you know, as an actor.

1144
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:34.019
That's not the easiest thing in the world to sell.

1145
00:48:34.260 --> 00:48:39.420
No, and see this, he never killed anyone, she says.

1146
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:44.579
Yeah, yeah.

1147
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:48.599
So this is where we learn that she died and where she learns as

1148
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:51.119
well, this version of Rashon or does he dismiss her so that she

1149
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:51.719
doesn't hear her?

1150
00:48:51.780 --> 00:48:56.099
I mean, him walking away from her is quite cruel, isn't it?

1151
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:57.239
Yeah, yeah.

1152
00:48:57.300 --> 00:48:58.199
He knows what's coming.

1153
00:48:58.980 --> 00:49:02.699
The only thing I didn't like was we don't get a reaction from

1154
00:49:02.699 --> 00:49:02.880
her.

1155
00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:06.000
She just looks at Picard and then she just vanishes.

1156
00:49:06.059 --> 00:49:09.179
I feel like they could have sold that moment more.

1157
00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:14.940
I think that for her to not be real, you have to not see the

1158
00:49:14.940 --> 00:49:15.539
reaction.

1159
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:16.679
Do you know what I mean?

1160
00:49:16.739 --> 00:49:19.980
Like, if if she reacted...

1161
00:49:20.699 --> 00:49:23.099
But she has been until this point in the episode.

1162
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:25.139
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.

1163
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:28.019
But like having her react to the discovery that she's not real

1164
00:49:28.260 --> 00:49:31.500
does things that we don't want to have to look into, I think.

1165
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:36.900
Um, And, you know, she, he's got to have lost her.

1166
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:40.320
He can't just have created one and everything's fine.

1167
00:49:40.380 --> 00:49:42.119
There's still got to be a real loss there.

1168
00:49:42.659 --> 00:49:45.599
And I like the fact that he's benevolent.

1169
00:49:45.659 --> 00:49:46.800
He wants to go to Troy.

1170
00:49:46.860 --> 00:49:48.420
He wants to take the music from her mind.

1171
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:49.920
You know, he is a good man.

1172
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.320
Yeah, yeah.

1173
00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:56.159
And that's why that's why he's someone of special conscience, I

1174
00:49:56.159 --> 00:50:01.739
think, because he's aware of how powerful he is and what he could

1175
00:50:01.739 --> 00:50:02.940
do.

1176
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.159
That's why he never fights.

1177
00:50:05.219 --> 00:50:06.059
Do you know what I mean?

1178
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:10.679
Because he knows that he, it's that, someone says something about

1179
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:12.420
it before, what is it?

1180
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:17.880
You know, he is, he has just killed 500000000 people, but when he

1181
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:21.719
comes out to confront the people invading his front garden, he

1182
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:26.159
does it with a phaser that doesn't work, you know, and he could

1183
00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:28.739
that was never a thing, he could just have killed them if he

1184
00:50:28.739 --> 00:50:31.980
wanted to, but he comes out threatening them with a phaser that

1185
00:50:31.980 --> 00:50:36.719
that doesn't work because he is a man of special conscience

1186
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.480
because he's aware of what he's capable of, do you think?

1187
00:50:39.539 --> 00:50:41.519
I think that works.

1188
00:50:41.579 --> 00:50:42.360
Yeah for sure.

1189
00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:47.219
And I even buy, it's a bit melodramatic, but I buy the fact he got

1190
00:50:47.219 --> 00:50:52.500
so angry that he literally just lashed out in a way that only he

1191
00:50:52.500 --> 00:50:56.760
can, with devastating consequences and as a result, you know, he

1192
00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:58.019
is a much gentler now.

1193
00:50:58.139 --> 00:51:01.500
Did you say that fish tank that Gianna Troy had in the wall there

1194
00:51:01.500 --> 00:51:03.119
as they...

1195
00:51:03.179 --> 00:51:06.000
When I was a kid, I used to think that was the height of cool.

1196
00:51:06.059 --> 00:51:09.179
The enterprises, I've got fish tanks in the walls.

1197
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:11.219
Yeah, that is pretty great.

1198
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:12.539
That is for yours.

1199
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:14.340
There it is beyond Picard now, look.

1200
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.099
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. away.

1201
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:20.159
Sorry to come back to the set again.

1202
00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:21.719
No, no, no.

1203
00:51:21.780 --> 00:51:24.179
Well, we were hugely impressed by the set at the time.

1204
00:51:25.619 --> 00:51:29.280
The cuts of Beverly Crusher there to show that she's paying

1205
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:35.940
attention to his story. that's right Oh bless him.

1206
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:39.360
Yeah, look, he's got a sort of inbuilt sadness in his face already

1207
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:39.840
hasn't he?

1208
00:51:39.900 --> 00:51:42.539
Yeah, I just think his age as well.

1209
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:44.099
He's not in his 80s either.

1210
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:48.360
He's 67 at this point, but he's he looks hangdog.

1211
00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:50.820
You know, like he looks like someone who's suffered loss.

1212
00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:54.059
He strikes me as being that person that we talk about often in, on

1213
00:51:54.059 --> 00:51:58.739
top, that turns up in every procedural going. always delivers a

1214
00:51:58.739 --> 00:52:01.139
good performance like this, you know, he made a career out of

1215
00:52:01.139 --> 00:52:03.239
doing the rounds, but delivering the goods.

1216
00:52:03.780 --> 00:52:07.380
But this is the worst thing, isn't it?

1217
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:10.679
Like, it's not just that he killed them all.

1218
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:15.840
It's that he did it after Rashon had died.

1219
00:52:15.900 --> 00:52:18.840
You know, like he's powerful.

1220
00:52:18.900 --> 00:52:21.480
He could have stopped it, but he didn't.

1221
00:52:21.539 --> 00:52:25.739
And then he did it anyway in a moment of losing control.

1222
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:28.860
And that's so bad.

1223
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:30.179
Like that's so awful.

1224
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:32.460
Well, it's awful thing to live with.

1225
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:34.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1226
00:52:34.619 --> 00:52:37.860
Like, it would have been bad enough if he'd killed them to save

1227
00:52:37.860 --> 00:52:38.340
her.

1228
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:39.900
But that didn't even work.

1229
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:41.099
He didn't even do that.

1230
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:42.780
He just killed them as a response.

1231
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:45.900
And he had restrained himself.

1232
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:49.679
You know, he'd restrained himself for so long and then just

1233
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:50.039
failed.

1234
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:53.639
I like how he says, I wish I could have died with her.

1235
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:55.199
But yeah, you're right.

1236
00:52:55.260 --> 00:52:56.820
He had 2 other options, doesn't he?

1237
00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:58.440
He could have gone to fight and died with him.

1238
00:52:58.500 --> 00:53:00.059
We wouldn't because he was omnipotent.

1239
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:01.679
No, but he could have wiped them out.

1240
00:53:01.739 --> 00:53:03.059
You'd have saved them.

1241
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:05.099
Yeah, by wiping them out.

1242
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.739
Yeah, it was the worst choice all round.

1243
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:09.659
Yeah.

1244
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:13.559
But then shouldn't shouldn't he be condemned then for what he's

1245
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:13.679
done?

1246
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:16.800
Because I thought... a tragedy though, isn't it?

1247
00:53:16.860 --> 00:53:18.780
It's not really an accusation.

1248
00:53:18.900 --> 00:53:23.460
Well, this is more than normal Star Trek acting, isn't it?

1249
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:25.440
Like it's really something.

1250
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:29.400
Yeah, yeah.

1251
00:53:29.460 --> 00:53:31.320
Like he's done something.

1252
00:53:31.380 --> 00:53:32.280
Well, they can't punish him.

1253
00:53:32.340 --> 00:53:33.059
How can they punish him?

1254
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:33.659
Do you know what I mean?

1255
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:35.159
He's omnipotent. nothing they can do.

1256
00:53:35.219 --> 00:53:35.940
What are they going to do?

1257
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:36.480
Lock him up.

1258
00:53:36.539 --> 00:53:37.199
They can't do anything.

1259
00:53:37.260 --> 00:53:43.139
And also because he... as now to live with this forever.

1260
00:53:43.260 --> 00:53:44.460
Do you know what I mean?

1261
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:46.679
Like, what are we going to do to him that's worse than that?

1262
00:53:47.340 --> 00:53:50.280
In fact, even Gauge McFadden.

1263
00:53:50.340 --> 00:53:53.159
She's close to tears when the camera goes back. yeah, yeah.

1264
00:53:53.219 --> 00:53:55.019
You're going to think I'm mad.

1265
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:59.039
The last time I saw properly sort of restrained acting in a climax

1266
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:03.119
like this in somebody's quarters, was that episode of Strange New

1267
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:03.780
Worlds we watched?

1268
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:05.940
you know with the doctor and his daughter at the end.

1269
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:10.739
I mean, the accent was a bit better there, but...

1270
00:54:10.739 --> 00:54:12.659
Besides, it's not hysterical though, is it?

1271
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:13.440
It's not over the top.

1272
00:54:13.500 --> 00:54:13.980
No, no.

1273
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:17.760
Well, because he's a, because he's an old man as well.

1274
00:54:17.820 --> 00:54:18.900
Do you know what I mean?

1275
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:22.019
Because he's an older man, he's not going to express his

1276
00:54:22.019 --> 00:54:22.559
emotions.

1277
00:54:22.619 --> 00:54:24.599
He is going to be a bit more restrained.

1278
00:54:24.659 --> 00:54:27.659
You know, I think he's really good.

1279
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:28.619
I think that's bullshit, though.

1280
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:29.099
He goes, what?

1281
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:32.579
Well, unfortunately, we can't convict you because we've got no

1282
00:54:32.579 --> 00:54:35.880
rules to actually apply to this.

1283
00:54:35.940 --> 00:54:37.260
He's committed genify.

1284
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:37.980
Of course you have rules.

1285
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:41.940
Well, but he's not under their jurisdiction.

1286
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:46.559
You see, you know, he's not a citizen of the Federation, like, what

1287
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:46.980
is he?

1288
00:54:47.099 --> 00:54:48.360
You could wipe us out at any minute.

1289
00:54:48.420 --> 00:54:49.679
Don't worry, you're free to go.

1290
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:53.159
That, you know, like what can they do?

1291
00:54:53.219 --> 00:54:54.059
We can't do anything.

1292
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:56.940
I think maybe that's a bit of weak writing rather than anything

1293
00:54:56.940 --> 00:54:59.699
else, but I don't think that conclusion is so bad.

1294
00:55:00.179 --> 00:55:02.699
God, compared to some, it's great.

1295
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:08.280
I mean, I don't think I quite need it because you have Picard and

1296
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:11.940
then you have Kevin both explain the entire plot to us and why

1297
00:55:11.940 --> 00:55:13.260
everything was going on.

1298
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:16.800
We didn't need it twice, but just the emotion in what he was

1299
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:21.719
saying and the sort of the epic nature of what he's selling of

1300
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:22.260
what's happened.

1301
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:24.300
I think that it works on all those levels.

1302
00:55:24.420 --> 00:55:29.760
I do like the final speech too, like that final captain's log is

1303
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:30.179
pretty good too.

1304
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:33.480
And then this skips into who watches the watches, which is one of

1305
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:34.860
the best TNG episodes ever.

1306
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:37.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1307
00:55:37.139 --> 00:55:37.800
I really...

1308
00:55:37.860 --> 00:55:40.500
And then, you know, you look at three.

1309
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:42.719
Look at a list of the episodes of season three.

1310
00:55:42.780 --> 00:55:46.739
There is one banger after another with the occasional dud, which

1311
00:55:46.739 --> 00:55:48.599
there's going to be in 26 episodes.

1312
00:55:48.659 --> 00:55:50.159
Sure, sure.

1313
00:55:50.219 --> 00:55:53.280
But this is kind of where they've nailed it, isn't it?

1314
00:55:53.340 --> 00:55:56.219
And this is not what we would get now.

1315
00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:59.219
You know, like Strange New Worlds is obviously the closest in

1316
00:55:59.219 --> 00:56:00.780
Kurtzman Trek to this.

1317
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:05.400
And Stranger Worlds has much, much greater reliance on the

1318
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:08.460
characters and as much more about what they're like as people and

1319
00:56:08.460 --> 00:56:11.400
much less about their just jobs or whatever.

1320
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:13.260
But this is still good.

1321
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:15.420
This is still properly enjoyable.

1322
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:19.860
That episode was 75% plot, 25% character.

1323
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:24.300
Whereas nowadays, we probably reverse that frustration it was

1324
00:56:24.300 --> 00:56:24.719
wouldn't we?

1325
00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:28.739
You'd have a good plot, but we'd be feeling stuff for the

1326
00:56:28.739 --> 00:56:29.699
characters all the way through.

1327
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:33.059
Yeah, it's the plot would affect the characters emotionally, and

1328
00:56:33.059 --> 00:56:35.099
that's not what happens much here.

1329
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:38.579
You do get a bit of sort of quivering restraint there from Beverly

1330
00:56:38.579 --> 00:56:40.800
in the final scene when she hears about the genocide.

1331
00:56:40.860 --> 00:56:44.519
You know, we get Picard sort of being a bit sad and stuff.

1332
00:56:44.579 --> 00:56:48.300
But no one's really properly affected, whereas that's what they

1333
00:56:48.300 --> 00:56:51.059
would do now and what they've learned to do, I think.

1334
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:55.019
But I think in the sort of the journey of Star Trek, that 60 year

1335
00:56:55.019 --> 00:56:59.760
journey, there's absolutely a space for these plot heavy mystery

1336
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:04.500
episodes in the middle, especially when they're this vivid and

1337
00:57:04.500 --> 00:57:05.340
this interesting.

1338
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:08.219
Yeah, it doesn't pull off everything perfectly.

1339
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:12.059
But I think it's a bloody good episode of Star Trek all the same.

1340
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:24.539
Yeah All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us

1341
00:57:24.539 --> 00:57:28.019
to decide what we're going to be watching next week.

1342
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:36.539
It's my turn with the Randomiser. and I want to give a show a

1343
00:57:36.539 --> 00:57:37.800
chance to redeem itself.

1344
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:44.280
A few weeks ago, we watched Course Oblivion, which was really

1345
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:49.739
truly, truly dreadful, and we did try and sort of cleanse our

1346
00:57:49.739 --> 00:57:52.500
palates by watching Strange New Worlds.

1347
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:55.980
But, you know, that's running away from the problem in a way.

1348
00:57:56.039 --> 00:58:00.719
And I want to find an episode of Voyager that is going to make me

1349
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:05.219
happy and impressive. pressing that button until you kind of keep

1350
00:58:05.219 --> 00:58:06.539
pressing until I get a good one.

1351
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:07.860
Oh, make a brew.

1352
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:08.880
Uncle in.

1353
00:58:11.940 --> 00:58:15.059
Do you know, I like this one and no one else does.

1354
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:21.480
It's season three, episode 22, real life.

1355
00:58:21.539 --> 00:58:23.519
Oh, God.

1356
00:58:24.179 --> 00:58:27.719
It's so much better than course oblivion.

1357
00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:30.059
I will not say nice things about that episode.

1358
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:34.500
It's very much like it's very TV.

1359
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.019
Like, it's a very TV episode.

1360
00:58:37.139 --> 00:58:38.159
I think, isn't it?

1361
00:58:38.219 --> 00:58:39.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1362
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:41.460
The Brady Bunch. gone wrong.

1363
00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:42.239
Yeah.

1364
00:58:42.300 --> 00:58:46.139
I do like the bit where Pelada Torres goes, I'm sorry, doctor, but

1365
00:58:46.139 --> 00:58:48.840
you're not going to learn anything from these lollipops here.

1366
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:54.179
And like the problem is that the death of the little girl is just

1367
00:58:54.179 --> 00:58:57.179
too overwrought and just a little bit too much, I think.

1368
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:00.960
Um, but otherwise, I don't think it's as bad. thinks.

1369
00:59:01.019 --> 00:59:06.719
No, the bit that's over raw is the rebellious teenage kid that is

1370
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:10.320
playing on maze and they're in their bedroom playing Klingon

1371
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:10.800
rock.

1372
00:59:11.579 --> 00:59:14.280
Oh, please press it again, please.

1373
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.039
I think we've rolled this before.

1374
00:59:17.099 --> 00:59:20.460
Season six, episode 12 blink of an eye.

1375
00:59:20.579 --> 00:59:22.260
Oh.

1376
00:59:22.380 --> 00:59:26.519
I mean, it's a very sort of worthy Star Trek episode.

1377
00:59:26.579 --> 00:59:28.440
But it's super interesting.

1378
00:59:28.500 --> 00:59:30.960
They take that premise, don't they?

1379
00:59:31.019 --> 00:59:36.360
Voyager, being in space at the early stages of this planet with

1380
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.960
early man, and they build an entire religion about it as we go

1381
00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:43.619
through the various stages, and because Voyagers going very fast

1382
00:59:43.619 --> 00:59:47.159
through the history of the planet and the planet's playing out at

1383
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:47.639
normal speed.

1384
00:59:47.699 --> 00:59:49.980
I think that one could be worth doing.

1385
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:53.820
Do you remember the Orville did a version of it as well?

1386
00:59:53.940 --> 00:59:55.320
Was it better?

1387
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:57.900
It was probably pretty funny.

1388
00:59:58.019 --> 01:00:00.659
Well, I mean but it is quite a serious one.

1389
01:00:00.780 --> 01:00:03.119
If you want to sort of have fun with Voyager, there's a lot more

1390
01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:04.019
funner episodes than that.

1391
01:00:04.619 --> 01:00:06.900
I'm super tempted.

1392
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.000
Let's see what happens if I press again.

1393
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:12.000
Projections.

1394
01:00:12.420 --> 01:00:15.599
Series two, episode three.

1395
01:00:15.659 --> 01:00:16.739
It's a bit crap.

1396
01:00:16.860 --> 01:00:18.420
Oh, here we go.

1397
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:19.139
I think it's this.

1398
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:19.679
Okay.

1399
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.260
Whatever, 6 episode three.

1400
01:00:22.260 --> 01:00:24.000
Barge of the Dead.

1401
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:26.940
Oh, an absolute banger.

1402
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:29.579
Yeah, this is Ronald D. Moore, isn't it?

1403
01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:30.840
This is when he was involved.

1404
01:00:30.900 --> 01:00:33.000
He didn't write...

1405
01:00:33.059 --> 01:00:36.300
He did survival instinct, but I think he's responsible for the

1406
01:00:36.300 --> 01:00:40.500
story and forgiven them just a bloody good Klingon episode, you

1407
01:00:40.500 --> 01:00:42.960
know, with all the myth offs that he's built up over time.

1408
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:48.300
Brilliant Roxanne Dawson episode, striking imagery in this as

1409
01:00:48.300 --> 01:00:48.480
well.

1410
01:00:48.539 --> 01:00:50.820
Yeah, yeah, weird looking stuff.

1411
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:52.320
Yeah, yeah, I remember.

1412
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:53.820
Yeah, this is definitely worth doing.

1413
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:55.500
Okay, awesome.

1414
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:56.219
Let's do that then.

1415
01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:08.579
Who's been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1416
01:01:08.579 --> 01:01:09.780
and Nathan Bottomley.

1417
01:01:09.780 --> 01:01:13.440
We're online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com where you can find

1418
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:16.199
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1419
01:01:16.260 --> 01:01:20.099
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1420
01:01:20.099 --> 01:01:21.900
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1421
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:26.280
This episode was recorded on the 16th of April 2024 and released

1422
01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:27.360
on the 3rd of May.

1423
01:01:27.420 --> 01:01:31.739
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, Barge of the Dead.

1424
01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:49.860
What do you think?

1425
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:52.500
It's not controversial enough or shitty enough for us to go on

1426
01:01:52.500 --> 01:01:53.219
about it.

1427
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:54.119
No, no, no, no.

1428
01:01:54.179 --> 01:01:54.719
Do you know what?

1429
01:01:54.780 --> 01:01:57.239
It was more of a struggle than the last couple of weeks, because

1430
01:01:57.239 --> 01:01:58.619
it's just very good.

1431
01:01:58.739 --> 01:02:00.539
To say things.

1432
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:02.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1433
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:05.280
Yeah, because it isn't doing particularly complex things with any

1434
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:05.940
of the regulars.

1435
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:07.019
No.

1436
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:09.239
You can't really talk about there.

1437
01:02:09.300 --> 01:02:11.519
But it's just, it is just fun.

1438
01:02:11.579 --> 01:02:13.199
It is what I've sat down to.

1439
01:02:13.260 --> 01:02:15.059
Even, you know, shitty things.

1440
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:17.880
Like the 1st thing that my sister ever saw, like I was going on

1441
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:23.219
about subject, the next generation, and She watched Booby Trap, for

1442
01:02:23.219 --> 01:02:23.940
God's sake.

1443
01:02:24.059 --> 01:02:25.199
Do you know what I mean?

1444
01:02:25.260 --> 01:02:28.380
No, no, what's the, is, is it booby trap?

1445
01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:31.739
Is it booby trap, the one with the space slug that they...

1446
01:02:31.860 --> 01:02:33.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1447
01:02:33.420 --> 01:02:34.440
It was booby trapped.

1448
01:02:34.500 --> 01:02:35.519
I said, oh, really?

1449
01:02:35.579 --> 01:02:36.000
Okay.

1450
01:02:36.059 --> 01:02:40.019
But it's still like, I wouldn't happily watch Booby Trap.

1451
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:40.739
It is crappy.

1452
01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:41.519
Do you know what I mean?

1453
01:02:41.579 --> 01:02:44.820
But it's, it's just, it's that raising the floor thing, you know

1454
01:02:44.820 --> 01:02:46.380
like...

1455
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:48.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1456
01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:50.460
I know, because I've been listening through.

1457
01:02:50.460 --> 01:02:53.400
It's called the Ron Jones Project on YouTube, and it's got all of

1458
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:53.820
this...

1459
01:02:53.820 --> 01:02:55.320
Roger...

1460
01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:56.880
Roger...

1461
01:02:56.940 --> 01:03:01.199
Because I was listening to it to work out what we would do for the

1462
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:05.579
music to on Star Trek project before we got Cameron to do a

1463
01:03:05.579 --> 01:03:06.300
thing.

1464
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:08.820
No, that was that was good.

1465
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:12.719
And I'm pleased because we haven't, if we have been to season

1466
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:14.219
three, have we?

1467
01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:16.440
Uh, I don't know.

1468
01:03:16.500 --> 01:03:18.420
Oh, yes, of course, yeah.

1469
01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:20.579
Oh, yeah, that's probably all right.

1470
01:03:20.699 --> 01:03:21.780
Yeah, I think so.

1471
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:24.960
But, you know, we've been talking ages.

1472
01:03:25.019 --> 01:03:28.380
Every time we come to team gym, we talk about, you know, the tire

1473
01:03:28.380 --> 01:03:31.559
turning in season 3 and actually, we've watched an episode, which

1474
01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:32.940
has proven that impact.

1475
01:03:33.179 --> 01:03:34.139
Otherwise, we'd be.

1476
01:03:34.139 --> 01:03:35.099
Oh, we did the price.

1477
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:36.360
Oh that was fun.

1478
01:03:36.420 --> 01:03:37.500
That was fun.

1479
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:38.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1480
01:03:38.340 --> 01:03:42.420
Yeah, see, that's sort of like a lower lesser episode.

1481
01:03:43.019 --> 01:03:45.179
Yeah, but even that's not terrible.

1482
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:46.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1483
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:48.539
That's what I think. this is a fun version of the show.

1484
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:49.679
Council of Troy at the beginning.

1485
01:03:49.739 --> 01:03:52.380
Oh, heaven forbid I miss the wormhole.

1486
01:03:54.539 --> 01:04:00.480
She's got like, does she have messages from her mother on the...

1487
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:03.900
Get me a chocolate Sunday now.

1488
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:05.340
Oh, God.

1489
01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:06.659
You see, that's it.

1490
01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:11.639
It's just like, what I want to watch. glorious.

1491
01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:13.440
Troy goes evil episodes.

1492
01:04:13.500 --> 01:04:15.239
I want to watch those.

1493
01:04:15.300 --> 01:04:16.500
Yeah, that one especially.

1494
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:18.000
No, or the lot.

1495
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:19.800
Face of evil.

1496
01:04:19.860 --> 01:04:22.139
Face of evil, face of the enemy.

1497
01:04:22.199 --> 01:04:24.360
No, the loss is, she's such a cow in that.

1498
01:04:24.420 --> 01:04:28.199
I love her in facing the enemy because I have no idea what I'm

1499
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:28.800
going through.

1500
01:04:28.860 --> 01:04:31.920
You know what it's like to lose something you've never had.

1501
01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:33.780
She's such a bitch.

1502
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:34.679
It's so good.

1503
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:39.360
Maybe she just he just doesn't want to hear you complaining all

1504
01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:41.039
the time of you whining all the time.

1505
01:04:41.099 --> 01:04:42.659
I know I am.

1506
01:04:44.340 --> 01:04:46.019
So good.

1507
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.559
That woman, she looks so crushed.

1508
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:51.480
So funny.

1509
01:04:51.539 --> 01:04:53.159
I know, but what's a shame?

1510
01:04:53.219 --> 01:04:54.000
Do you remember her?

1511
01:04:54.059 --> 01:04:55.019
They dial back on it.

1512
01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:57.420
They dial back on it because then the woman comes back to her in a

1513
01:04:57.420 --> 01:05:00.360
later counselling session in that episode and goes, no, you were

1514
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:01.920
absolutely right, Deanna.

1515
01:05:01.980 --> 01:05:03.599
I wanted her to come back and say, what?

1516
01:05:03.659 --> 01:05:06.059
You're a horrible person.

1517
01:05:06.659 --> 01:05:09.179
Yeah, you suck.

1518
01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:10.199
I always really mean to you.

1519
01:05:10.260 --> 01:05:11.340
Don't be so pathetic.

1520
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:14.579
I mean, I do think at the beginning of this episode, all my

1521
01:05:14.579 --> 01:05:17.579
warning bells were going off when Troy went, you know, there's

1522
01:05:17.579 --> 01:05:18.360
something strange.

1523
01:05:18.420 --> 01:05:20.699
Nope, I can't give you more than that.

1524
01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:22.019
That's what I forgot.

1525
01:05:22.139 --> 01:05:24.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1526
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:25.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1527
01:05:25.500 --> 01:05:29.820
I did think that it was kind of weird that she was going to, she

1528
01:05:29.820 --> 01:05:33.780
could detect stuff from the spaceship a long distance away.

1529
01:05:33.900 --> 01:05:36.480
Well, I think it's your choice, you know.

1530
01:05:36.539 --> 01:05:39.360
It is my choice and I'm trying to work out what the hell I'm going

1531
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:39.659
to do.

1532
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:47.219
Because we've done some of everything lately, haven't we?

1533
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:48.840
Yeah, we've done a bit of cursman.

1534
01:05:48.900 --> 01:05:50.579
We have a couple of TOSs.

1535
01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:52.380
We did an animated series.

1536
01:05:52.440 --> 01:05:56.820
These are the voyages, profit motive, counterclock incidents, skin

1537
01:05:56.820 --> 01:06:01.139
of evil, obsession, tracking, tracking into the wind, trouble with

1538
01:06:01.139 --> 01:06:03.239
Edward, matter of time.

1539
01:06:03.300 --> 01:06:04.019
It always feels not.

1540
01:06:04.019 --> 01:06:05.880
He's heavy, but they're so fucking much of it.

1541
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:06.840
That's why.

1542
01:06:06.900 --> 01:06:07.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1543
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:12.059
What was the last voyage we did course oblivion that's coming out

1544
01:06:12.059 --> 01:06:13.079
this Friday?

1545
01:06:13.139 --> 01:06:13.980
Oh, Christ.

1546
01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:15.360
I can't wait to hear that back.

1547
01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:17.400
Oh my god.

1548
01:06:17.460 --> 01:06:19.739
I'll probably edit it tomorrow, actually.

1549
01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:21.360
Actually, when you start going in the middle.

1550
01:06:21.420 --> 01:06:23.340
You know, yeah, it's called course oblivion.

1551
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:25.800
We know we're all going to die and it's going to be miserable.

1552
01:06:25.860 --> 01:06:27.840
Why am I watching this?

1553
01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:30.780
My wife, you reminding me of this?

1554
01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:32.940
No, have you heard it back at all yet?

1555
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:36.480
Uh, no, just no.

1556
01:06:36.659 --> 01:06:41.400
All I've done is I've I've processed the audio.

1557
01:06:41.460 --> 01:06:45.300
I've recorded the credits and I've put it all into a thing.

1558
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:47.460
I've got...

1559
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:49.320
I was at work howling.

1560
01:06:49.380 --> 01:06:52.500
The store was shut and I was just doing some like dressing of an

1561
01:06:52.500 --> 01:06:55.380
aisle and it's just you and me going, oh.

1562
01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:56.699
Oh, look.

1563
01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:59.460
Oh, we're just nitching, just screaming in horror.

1564
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:00.420
The pressure.

1565
01:07:03.900 --> 01:07:07.139
At one point, I'll just do a cake vulgar and go, you know, when

1566
01:07:07.139 --> 01:07:11.760
she's in the chair. about to expire, just going, oh, God, how much

1567
01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:13.559
of the pizza is there left to go?

1568
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:22.139
I can't believe people thought that was anyway acceptable. tragic.

1569
01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:26.039
It's tragic because they all catch a disease and then die.

1570
01:07:26.099 --> 01:07:28.139
It's like what's tragic about that?

1571
01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:29.400
That's horrible.

1572
01:07:29.460 --> 01:07:30.420
A good episode.

1573
01:07:30.420 --> 01:07:32.460
It's not about Star Trek project, though.

1574
01:07:32.760 --> 01:07:36.059
That's the one good thing that's come out of goals and living.

1575
01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:37.800
We got a 3 episode out of it.

1576
01:07:37.860 --> 01:07:39.539
Oh my god.

1577
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:43.199
Yes, there's a one way you can know this is the fake voyager

1578
01:07:43.260 --> 01:07:46.739
because our Captain Janeway would never have carpet like that, but

1579
01:07:46.739 --> 01:07:47.760
that rice goes.

1580
01:07:47.820 --> 01:07:49.500
Yeah, that's it.

1581
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:50.579
That's it.

1582
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:51.480
She would have hovered.

1583
01:07:54.179 --> 01:07:55.800
All right.

1584
01:07:58.860 --> 01:08:00.420
All right, it's the end of the episode.