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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back aboard Enterprise for Strange New Worlds.

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We are doing the 4th episode of Strangely World Series one that we've done.

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And in fact, this is episode nine, our previous episode was episode eight, the Elysian Kingdom, which we did in episode 62.

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And then before that, we did episode 7, the serene squall, in episode 39.

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And of course, we cheated when Strange New Worlds, the pilot was the only episode that had been broadcast we rolled that after choosing just Strange New Worlds to watch.

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So by the end of tonight, we will have watched 20% of the available episodes.

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Make Sean some more out then, please, so we can watch more.

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Well, I gather that series 3 is in production now that the rider strike and everything is over. definitely getting a new set of episodes fairly soon.

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What's all there, Nathan?

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The next one we're watching is episode 10 of series one, right?

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Good well be.

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Yeah, it's the only excited series one I haven't seen.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So we actually watched this together in person and you hadn't seen it before, but I had.

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I'll tell you what right?

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What an experience it was.

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We were screaming and squealing and laughing.

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It was wonderful.

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It was one of those wonderful moments of watching television that I always remember because I don't know what I was expecting with this go on episode, but it was not this. for sure.

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It's a pretty incredible thing that they've done with the Gaunt, isn't it?

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Because the Gorn is a sort of big rubber lizard in a spangly cocktail dress in arena and it is a great monster.

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Like, it's an undeniably superb monster, but it is terribly cat.

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It's a bit awkward and static though, isn't it?

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That's the trouble, you know.

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The poor fellow has not got manoeuvrable limbs.

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No, and we we did mention that in the special edition, they do make the gorn blink in the special CT up the defence, which is pretty great.

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They are back in Enterprise, I think.

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Yes, in in a mirror darkly, the 2 part alternative universe story, and mostly done in the half dark, in very good CGI, not brilliant, but fairly good for the time.

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Anyway, we've seen some terrible CGI of Enterprise.

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And lots of POV shots.

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So a lot of what they're doing here as well.

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So I feel like the progression from that to that to this...

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Well, now they kind of works.

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Fucking amazing, don't they?

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Absolutely chill.

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So good.

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And so this is our 2nd gone episode, really, of the season.

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We've got La'an's backstory.

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And then we had the episode Memento Mori, where all we got to do is encounter the gone on their spaceship.

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That was one of the best ones of the season.

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Really great It's actually sort of submarine episode packed full of carrot stuff.

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Yeah, written by the same guy who wrote this episode as well.

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So the Gorn, and obviously towards the end, and you haven't seen the end of series 2, but the Gorn are back, and it does look like they're shaping up to be the kind of big bad for Star Trek, Strange New World, which I think is a great choice.

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Yes, I mean, in terms of like visceral horror.

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Absolutely.

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Like, can we have a conversation with them?

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Can we can we engage intelligently with them?

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's that's the normal Star Trek way though, isn't it?

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Exactly.

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So the, the, you know, adversaries in previous iterations of Star Trek have always been people, but here they're just monsters, and so they're monsters on a spaceship, and they're really kind of deadly and terrifying, and that final episode of series 2 is quite amazing, and the Gorn really kind of sell it.

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So here the job, I think, is to introduce the Gorn properly as an adversary, and do what Star Trek has done before, but not generally very well, which is a sort of creepy horror episode.

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You remember when we were sort of exploring the Borg ship in Scorpion recently?

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Yeah, and you were lamenting how terrible, and I was going how atmospheric it was.

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I don't think 90s trek can't do horror at all.

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I think there's a couple of episodes where they pull it off.

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I think endpoint law is pretty good. revulsion has some atmosphere.

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But TV's just come on so much since 90s trek.

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This is executed flawlessly.

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Yeah, it looks pretty amazing.

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I want to say that before I now say the 2 issues I have with this episode.

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I want to get them out of the way because I basically just want to say nice things.

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And none of them are a problem of this episode of Strange New Worlds, and they are entirely a problem of the genre, the horror genre that we're watching.

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And my number one issue is our 1st viewing of this was so spectacular because that sequence where the corn come bursting out of that blue man in true alien style.

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I mean, it was just absolutely glorious, that bit.

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And something I never thought I'd see Star Trek do, something that sort of gross in horror terms.

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But, in the rewatch of this, and it's a problem with, And it's a problem with horror movies in general, is that once you've watched it once, you're basically waiting for the big set pieces and you're just going around a lot of dark corridors to get there, you know?

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So it doesn't have the same sort of frison as you did in the 1st one.

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So this time around, I was like, this is very well made.

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When are we going to get to that bit where the gall burst out of that man?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The other issue is there's nothing original here at all.

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It is just a load of horror cliches thrown in.

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So it's kind of light 90s shreking that way.

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That's the only way it's like 90 straight though.

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And I was sort of ticking them off as I went, you said to me earlier, predator POV shots.

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Yeah, we do the alien thing.

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We do it all just so well.

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And I think the big difference with this is we love these characters.

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So we immediately feel anxious when they're in a situation of high peril that they are here.

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So that's why this works so well.

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I think if it was badly executed or it was the Voyager crew, we might be on shaky territory.

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Yeah, well, I mean, like, if you think about something like, is it macrocosm, where you've got Janeway with a big gun going through the corridors, CGI insects.

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It's trying to pretend that it's there.

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Oh, it's just awful.

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So part of the problem, I think, with 90 Streak doing this is that it's doing it on a kind of daytime soap opera budget with just a bit of CGI stuff thrown in.

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And so now we can actually do it a lot more convincingly.

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For me, what works is exactly what you identified is the characters and in particular the through line for Uhura.

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And so we see, yeah, we see Ahura at a party at the beginning, we know her backstory because I think that she explains it in episode 2, I want to say, which I think is the best episode series one. episode two.

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Oh, okay, wow.

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It is beautiful.

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Like, that's a stunning episode.

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That was just great television. is a perfect Star Trek episode.

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Yeah, wonderful. just wonderful.

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Really, really, very good.

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And so she explains her backstory.

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And she has throughout the season been doing, I think, I think Rutherford does this at one point on Lower Decks, where she sort of seconded to different departments because she doesn't quite know what she wants to do.

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She's a linguist, but she doesn't know where she wants to be.

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And obviously the final shot of this episode kind of tells us where she's going to end up and obviously we know that and have known that for 50 something years now.

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But she starts not wanting to stay because she doesn't want to put roots down.

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And it's a conversation that she has with Hammer in, uh, like I think it's in episode 4 and and a conversation that she has with him here about not wanting to make connections with people because she was hurt by the loss of her parents and so she's avoided finding a place to settle down.

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And like, I just think that's nicely done.

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He says to her at the beginning of this, doesn't he?

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He goes, you make connections with people.

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It's one of your strengths.

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Why are you pushing against that?

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Yeah, I've had a similar conversation in my life, you know, where some people have said that to me.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I think it's a really good, it's a really good conversation. and it really works.

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And so what it means is that although Hammer has only been in 6 episodes, including this one, his death lands properly, because you've got Celia Gooding reacting to it and it just works so incredibly well, I think.

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And let's just also say Bruce Horak's performance as the character is so strong and just so brilliant every time he appears.

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What's great about it is it's not falling in sort of the Buffy the Vampire Slayer trap of we've got characters that are just too great to kill.

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So they just go on and on and on, probably longer than their actual creative life is.

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Whereas we've got a great character here and actually he could have done an awful lot more, but they actually, whether the actor wanted to go or for whatever reason, they choose to write him out and it really impacts, despite the fact that he has legs to continue.

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Oh, I like that.

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I think that's a good creative choice to make.

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But also as well, at the beginning, the 2nd she's going well.

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Well, I'm leaving the enterprise now, you know, our warning bell should have been going off end of like, something terrible is going to happen to make a stay because we know that's not the case, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course.

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It is the 3rd Star Trek series to kill a major character in its 1st season.

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And so, of course, skin of evil kills Tasha Yar.

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Yes, which we recently did.

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And then in the final episode of Lower Decks, season one, no small parts.

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Lieutenant Shacks is killed.

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Saving Rutherford.

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But they turn into the most spectacular joke, long term.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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How did Lieutenant Shacks die?

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We don't talk about that.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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Um, watch, I think we should watch this, you know.

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I've got to say, I'm a huge horror movie fan, so this ticks all of my boxes.

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I tend to prefer psychological horror.

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Then, you know, one of my favourites is the Hana Rocks, the Cradle, that sort of horror. cruels under your skin because it's people doing terrible things.

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But when a good monster movie is pulled off and this is a great monster movie, it's a wonderful thing to behold.

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Yeah, I agree.

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All right. let's go in I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So in the episodes of Discovery that have just aired, you know, the series 5 just started as we record, it is Discovery that does that Ident thing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it's the cereta.

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I like how they love them all with that, though. a great idea, you know?

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So again, we've said this before, it's really obvious, but the previously on Strange New Worlds is always about what's happened with the characters.

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I was watching it this time to see if you were lying to me or not, and you was telling me the truth.

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Absolutely.

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So it's fucking...

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Nurse Chapel...

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Spock then confessing it to his to bring it to bring.

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We get the Arn's backstory.

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We get the big pile of thing of blood from Memento Mori, the colonists.

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I love the fact they're not afraid to put a bit of blood on the screen, you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I think the 1st time that we've ever seen like real proper gory horror on Star Trek was in episode 3 of Discovery, which is called context is for Kings, where they go aboard the USS Glenn and the Tardigrade is kind of killing people.

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Um, So, so, and that Supergory and stuff like that, I'm glad that they can do that now.

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I think that's that's really good.

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So, see, this is the party, and of course, this is her talking about her experience.

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This is Ahura talking about her experience, her experience on the ship in all of these different places, and now she's turning up to this party.

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And the idea that we have food in Chris's quarters all the time is absolutely brilliant, I think, like really, really quite brilliant because it gives us a proper chance to really, really get to know these characters and for them to do banter that isn't horrifically embarrassing.

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It's what I said to you in DS9, isn't it?

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the same thing when Cisco's always cooking in his squads and he advised people down, that sort of domestic angle.

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Suggests a family without having to tell you, this is a family, because what do we do as a family?

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We all come together and eat.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And this year too, you know, we've only got 10 episodes this season.

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It happens quite a lot in that time and is introduced as early as episode two, like the beginning of episode two.

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It really becomes a thing.

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I just, I feel like the skill that the economy with how quickly they got us to like these characters, how quickly they established the relationship and then started doing interesting things that you said about Hemmo, who doesn't get a lot of screen time, really.

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Um, and his relationship with Ahura at this, uh, initially, it's a little bit fracturous.

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Then they come to find some common ground.

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Then they're working together brilliantly.

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Then you have a few episodes where things are great between, and then we lose him here and she's absolutely devastated.

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And what's that, 5 episodes?

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Yeah, I think it might be three.

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I don't think it's quite as much between those 2 characters A lot of skill to deliver that as quickly as that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So, I know what, well, all right, as they've got working on this show, but they've chosen them well.

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It's brilliant.

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Even this little bit here where Uhura asks Erica for permission to speak freely because Erica obviously outranks her and Erica's going, what are you doing?

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Like, what are you doing?

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And it is her pulling back.

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You know, it's her wanting to pull back, particularly since Chris has been talking about how they're like a family.

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You know, I just want you to imagine that...

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That scene playing out on Voyager between Tom Paris and Harry Kim.

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Yeah, yeah, just embarrassing.

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Oh I love number one so much.

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I think she's great.

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I don't think she gets enough to do in series one.

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I'm hoping in series 2 when we explore that.

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She gets a bit more to do.

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Yeah, yeah.

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She does get some good stuff in one, but he issues off on a B plot that we never see.

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So she's delivering the thing.

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Now this is so funny.

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So Lana's come in.

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She's been speaking to the ship psychologist because of her trauma, which is a thing.

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Her trauma really defines who she is and is really, really important in this episode, so we get it established really early.

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Just this stuff here, where, you know, they're eating, he's feeding her.

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He puts the apron of Spock and look at sponsoring action.

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I like it when she goes when she goes, I'm not eating that.

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Oh my god, that's delicious.

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Give it back, you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, Beng is there in the background and he just says, oh, yeah, and the waffle.

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You know, like all of that stuff.

211
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They're doing properly funny banter.

212
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And what happens is watch hike and watch number one.

213
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They're like her parents.

214
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They're short.

215
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Like in a maternal and a paternal way with her.

216
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It's really nice.

217
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Yeah.

218
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Yeah.

219
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Even with banger's line there, you know, is an emergency landing ever scheduled. you know, like someone says unscheduled emergency landing.

220
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You're going to go, well, they're all unscheduled, aren't they?

221
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And you've got him saying that, which is cute.

222
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I know this is useful stuff, and a lot of this is, you know, her backstory is being mentioned again because we're going to do a go on episode.

223
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But I think showing this sort of familial relationships before leaping into the horror is vital.

224
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This is how much we love these people.

225
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Look how great they are together.

226
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My God, now they're in terrible peril.

227
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It's really well done.

228
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And it shows you because...

229
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He's been talking.

230
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Yeah, I know.

231
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Biker's been talking about them being a family and that's what Ahura's running away from.

232
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She's frightened that they are a family and they do become a family and here we just get to see it.

233
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You know, like we actually get, and it's a mission briefing, which would have been done in like Astrometrics or the observation now, just...

234
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Voyager Conference table.

235
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

236
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And it said they're eating and kind of just chatting and stuff.

237
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You know, like Spock's in the foreground they're doing the washing up.

238
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Look, he's doing the washing up in that shop.

239
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Oh, I'm a bit appalled, actually, that they've left space station K7 in darkness without their power cells.

240
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They're sending Una to get the power cells for K7.

241
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Weren't they a ration waggon?

242
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really shocked me in this episode.

243
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And it doesn't mean something you said to me before, is how hands off Captain Pike is.

244
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And when they go down onto the planet, he doesn't take control in a way I usually expect a captain on Star Trek to do.

245
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Yeah.

246
00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:54.059
It's quite refreshing, but also I'm like, I really expected like a big authority figure here to say, right, this is what we're going to do.

247
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He doesn't do that.

248
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Look at this shot.

249
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Look how incredibly good this shot is.

250
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Look how far we've come.

251
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You know, because there's snow and moisture.

252
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There's the layer thing, like the whole thing looks so good.

253
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Coming out of the ground there.

254
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It looks wonderful.

255
00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:17.519
But you actually expect this episode, like on a Voyager episode, the opening credits would have come in after that scene.

256
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After Pike does the joke about, you know, I'm not going to turn this car around.

257
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You know, stop or I'll turn this car round or whatever, you know, he's being spacedad and he's got the spaceship station waggon.

258
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And that's the theme of the episode and then we do the thing there.

259
00:19:31.740 --> 00:19:32.519
But we don't.

260
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We come here and we establish the thread.

261
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And this looks amazing.

262
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Like, not for a second.

263
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I think you just summed it up.

264
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Space that.

265
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That's what Captain Pike is.

266
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

267
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But not like a domineering.

268
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Hem is really happy because this is like Andoria.

269
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And, you know, you just sort of think, oh, Hammer, you weirdo.

270
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That's really important.

271
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It's going to be a long time.

272
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But in fact, that's one of the things that makes that scene where he dies so poignant, I think.

273
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Oh my god.

274
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What's the actress's name who plays Nurse Chappell?

275
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Um, Jess Bush.

276
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She's Australian. is incredible in this episode.

277
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There's a dialogue free scene where she's putting her feet down on the floor to escape the goal.

278
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Oh my god, it's good.

279
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Nobody else sells the danger that they're in better than she does in that scene.

280
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She's really good.

281
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She's probably scared without being pathetic.

282
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What's that?

283
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Look how quickly we're out.

284
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We see the blood and we don't even have time to react or in the opening credits before we even realise it.

285
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And there's not even like a big musical thing or anything to say, oh, that's the end of the teaser.

286
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We just strayed into the thing.

287
00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:46.799
I think it's really well directed this episode as well.

288
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No, I said earlier, flawlessly.

289
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

290
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I certainly hope he's back.

291
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This is the only title sequence in Untitled Star Trek project that I watch all the way through every time.

292
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Oh, I know, I always...

293
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I love the bit where it goes...

294
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I just think it's gorgeous.

295
00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:09.779
The series 21, I think, is even better.

296
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They change some of the shots and make it...

297
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Do you know what I mean?

298
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And maybe they do that every year, which would be nice.

299
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Takes that sort of miserable original Star Trek theme tune, which I don't like at all and make something of it, you know?

300
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Talks it out beautifully.

301
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I realise we've just lost everyone that listens to this now by me saying that, but never mind.

302
00:21:29.099 --> 00:21:29.700
It's the truth.

303
00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:32.940
But this is the Voyager title sequence, isn't it?

304
00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:35.160
Yeah, essentially. with a budget.

305
00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:37.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

306
00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:37.920
And imagination.

307
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That's fair.

308
00:21:38.579 --> 00:21:41.940
When I 1st saw the Voyager title sequence, I thought it looked incredible.

309
00:21:42.900 --> 00:21:48.299
I think the mistake in the Voyager tighter sequence is having the ship always so far away.

310
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And I know why because the ship is travelling a long distance to go home and that's what they want to sell, but here where you've got a combination of long shots and very close-up shots, I think it works better and it's more dynamic.

311
00:22:02.819 --> 00:22:08.819
I think that making the music to Voyager and DS9 so worthy.

312
00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:10.440
Yeah, yeah.

313
00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:15.779
It's a mistake because they just, oh, it feels like a chore to get through, you know?

314
00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:17.759
Whereas it's just got a bit of pace to it, you know?

315
00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:20.759
Christopher J.

316
00:22:20.759 --> 00:22:22.259
Byrne, I salute you, sir.

317
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Your direction is terrific.

318
00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:27.539
So we know we're in deep doo-doo already.

319
00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:29.160
We found our bloody harm in the snow.

320
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Yeah.

321
00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:31.440
Never a good sign, is it?

322
00:22:31.500 --> 00:22:34.380
Yeah, no, no, that's that's never that good.

323
00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:43.799
And see, so we're now very quickly away from the studio serving as the planet's surface with the big effects wall.

324
00:22:43.859 --> 00:22:46.019
Here, look at the frost on the mirror.

325
00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:52.319
Like again, just selling the environment, the snow, all of that stuff is really done quite well.

326
00:22:52.380 --> 00:22:55.259
The rest of it's just in the sets, isn't it?

327
00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:59.160
It's just in the enterprise sets that they've kind of trashed up and they're directing differently.

328
00:22:59.220 --> 00:23:06.119
This will hold up in 10, 20 years time because they don't try and do anything way beyond their meat.

329
00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:07.920
Even the CGI is minimal in this.

330
00:23:07.980 --> 00:23:09.539
And quick, it's quick.

331
00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:12.059
So you've barely got time to register what's happening.

332
00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:18.359
Yeah, like I think, is it because we don't know these sets quite well enough?

333
00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:27.359
Because, I mean, Ampoc nor, you know, looks like Deep Space 9, but just directed a bit differently, every the sets are all quite familiar, I think.

334
00:23:27.420 --> 00:23:29.460
I mean, do you know what this reminded me of?

335
00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:30.660
All of these early scenes.

336
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:37.079
It reminded me of the ship in series 5 of DS9, where there's the upside down Jem Hadar ship on the planet.

337
00:23:37.140 --> 00:23:38.519
So they've turned the sets upside down.

338
00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:45.180
Turn the lights down, filled it full of dry ice and lots of spotlights, and it's all shot on an angle.

339
00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:46.380
Right.

340
00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:48.359
And yeah, that's what this reminds me.

341
00:23:48.420 --> 00:23:52.500
Well, that's what we're doing here, you know, and there's bloodstained hands.

342
00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:54.720
These are familiar atrocious, like it works, you know?

343
00:23:54.779 --> 00:23:55.859
It creates an atmosphere.

344
00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:02.519
But really, what we're doing is we are biding time before we get to the monsters.

345
00:24:02.579 --> 00:24:04.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

346
00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:08.579
Do we know it's, no, we don't know it's the corn yet, do we?

347
00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:09.359
It takes a long time.

348
00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:10.140
No, not at all.

349
00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:11.339
I think we...

350
00:24:11.819 --> 00:24:15.660
Well, I mean, the last time in episode 4 where we saw.

351
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:25.559
Do you remember we saw just, it's what's really particularly gross about the blood is the signs of people like being dragged through it?

352
00:24:25.619 --> 00:24:26.700
Do you know what I mean?

353
00:24:26.819 --> 00:24:32.400
There's just heaps of blood and some people have been dragged through it or have like are dragging themselves through it.

354
00:24:32.460 --> 00:24:38.339
And that's really horrifying in Memento Mori in the middle of that thing, which we saw in the opening.

355
00:24:38.819 --> 00:24:40.019
They do lean into a cliche.

356
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:47.339
Well, there's lots of cliches in this, but they do lean into a one cliche where it's like, you know, the fella has just been promoted. so proud, you know, all of this.

357
00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:49.799
And, you know, immediately like, yeah, red shirt.

358
00:24:49.859 --> 00:24:50.279
He's dead.

359
00:24:50.339 --> 00:24:57.059
And then when he gets pulled along the corridor, he's going, ah, you know, and they're eating him as they go.

360
00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:59.579
Yeah, yeah. as well.

361
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:00.839
Do you know what I mean?

362
00:25:00.900 --> 00:25:03.720
Like the other, the young woman who gets...

363
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:05.220
Oh, that bloody gets promoted.

364
00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:07.380
Yeah, yeah, it's great.

365
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:10.799
There's a brain or like bits of people that you can't see?

366
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:13.140
and like that shot with...

367
00:25:13.140 --> 00:25:14.579
Oh, stopping it that closely, all right?

368
00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:15.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

369
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:18.420
Oh, so what is it?

370
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:27.000
There's Lieutenant Duke, who's just been promoted, and we have that gag, I think, where Spock accidentally calls him Ensign, and they say that he owes him a drink.

371
00:25:27.059 --> 00:25:31.680
And that's another thing that they do quite well on this show is have some kind of culture like that.

372
00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:34.680
He's not going to get to buy him that drink.

373
00:25:34.740 --> 00:25:38.279
No, and then there's Cadet Chia, who is also killed.

374
00:25:38.339 --> 00:25:52.380
And I think having them killed, like I think we need people to be killed for the horror to work, um, and they need to be people that we know, but I think killing those 2 puts us off our guard and we may not expect anyone else to die.

375
00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:56.940
Well, I don't think we expect any of the regulars to die, and that's why this really lands.

376
00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:58.140
Yeah, yeah.

377
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:04.859
Just saying, so when we do this in 90s trek, go around these dogs, sets with all the dry ice and damaged ships.

378
00:26:04.980 --> 00:26:11.640
And you do often see the screens just, you know, with funny patterns on them to show that they're not working properly.

379
00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:18.299
What you had there was that and it was all cracked to suggest that something truly violent has happened.

380
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:21.119
It's just that strange above, isn't it?

381
00:26:21.180 --> 00:26:22.140
Exactly.

382
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:22.980
Exactly.

383
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:29.880
I also think too, like the spaces are bigger and like here everything's on an angle.

384
00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:33.359
And so like part of the problem is those sets.

385
00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:40.680
Like the sets in Scorpion, part one, were so kind of like the Borg cube we'd done so many times.

386
00:26:40.740 --> 00:26:43.259
It was all really quite kind of well lit.

387
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:45.359
We knew exactly where we were.

388
00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:50.099
Here we've got lots of close-ups and stuff and we never get a full sense of where we are.

389
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:52.859
And then all these Dutch angles and stuff.

390
00:26:52.920 --> 00:27:00.779
I'd like to set you an assignment, please, between this week and next week to go and watch the ship at some point in the next week, just as a point of comparison to see.

391
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:01.440
Yeah.

392
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:02.880
Because they can do it.

393
00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:04.619
They just choose not to, you know.

394
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:09.119
And besides, Voyager was never going to smash one of the screens, I'd have to replace it, wouldn't they?

395
00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:09.900
Yeah exactly.

396
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:18.420
But like, I mean, I could see if you weren't a big horror fan that this might...

397
00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:20.039
This body's been badly mangled.

398
00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:21.000
You never want to hear that.

399
00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:23.880
This might bore you a little if you weren't a horror fan.

400
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:34.200
Well, I'm not a horror fan, but for me, oh, look, there's like, is his legs been ripped off or something and there's just a big pile bottle of blood?

401
00:27:34.259 --> 00:27:35.819
It's super gross.

402
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.079
I'm not a big horror fan, but alien and aliens are my era.

403
00:27:40.140 --> 00:27:40.859
Do you know what I mean?

404
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.019
Like alien came out when I was in primary school.

405
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:45.240
Aliens came out when I was in high school.

406
00:27:45.299 --> 00:27:48.960
Was you not expecting to see the big Queen Gorn come along at the end?

407
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.299
Maybe in season three.

408
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.220
Get away from her, you bitch.

409
00:27:55.619 --> 00:28:01.019
Oh, this green alien, sorry, blue alien is just fabulous.

410
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.380
The design of his head that sort of opens and closed.

411
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:07.259
Yeah, yeah, he's really great, isn't he?

412
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:12.299
Like, it's like the cockroach wings or something, like a beetle's wings.

413
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:14.160
Imagine if the Beaumont looked like that.

414
00:28:14.220 --> 00:28:16.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

415
00:28:16.619 --> 00:28:24.000
So we can only afford one of these, and it's mostly a, uh, what, it's a puppet, isn't it?

416
00:28:24.059 --> 00:28:27.180
It's just mostly animatronics.

417
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:31.440
You only need one, though, for, to, to burst out of him.

418
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:40.680
But it is moving away from what 90s Star Trek does with aliens because we can afford to do more interesting things.

419
00:28:40.740 --> 00:28:42.359
It's like a Star Wars alien to me.

420
00:28:42.420 --> 00:28:45.000
It does, exactly. more money.

421
00:28:45.059 --> 00:28:47.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

422
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:50.039
And just something a bit less kind of straightforwardly human.

423
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.380
It's a very expressive mask though.

424
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:53.880
It is very expressive.

425
00:28:54.299 --> 00:29:00.779
You can see him being distressed as the eggs kind of hatch or whatever happens.

426
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.319
And you love the line where like, oh, it goes, you know, your linguistics.

427
00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:05.279
What's he saying?

428
00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:07.079
She goes, linguistics don't work like that.

429
00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:13.259
But again, I think, again, what she decides to do is brilliant.

430
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:15.539
She goes, there were 2 life signs.

431
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.920
He's defending someone. we should put down our weapons Do you know what I mean?

432
00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:21.420
Like as an anthropologist.

433
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:24.720
Yeah, she understands how people behave.

434
00:29:24.779 --> 00:29:28.140
Yes, clearly he's clearly not attacking them.

435
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:30.539
He's clearly holding back and defending somebody.

436
00:29:30.779 --> 00:29:34.140
But again, we get to see the characters be clever.

437
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:35.400
That shot there.

438
00:29:35.460 --> 00:29:40.200
I don't know why that really stood out to me of the corridor lighting up as the camera pans across.

439
00:29:40.259 --> 00:29:42.299
They don't have to do that, you know.

440
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:44.039
No, it's really good.

441
00:29:44.099 --> 00:29:50.039
And like just the general blueness of the lighting and stuff makes these look different from the enterprises.

442
00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:54.420
There's this awkward post-kiss conversation between Spock and Nurse Chapel.

443
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:58.079
She's so beautiful, isn't she?

444
00:29:58.140 --> 00:29:59.579
She is really great.

445
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:01.500
In fact, I really want them to get together.

446
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:02.700
Screw continuity.

447
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:15.180
Well, we do actually kind of resolve that a little bit in those old scientists, don't we, at the end of series 2 of Strange New Worlds where Boimler comes on board.

448
00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:20.759
Um, and this is important because this continues to play out.

449
00:30:20.819 --> 00:30:31.920
What Spock does here is he lets his rage go, and it doesn't go back, and that has implications for the next season, for much of the next season.

450
00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:33.359
All of this.

451
00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:34.559
I'm going to miss you, Hammer.

452
00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:35.279
Oh, yeah, all right.

453
00:30:35.339 --> 00:30:37.980
Stop signposting it. he's going to die, all right?

454
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:39.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

455
00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:42.420
This is good though, isn't it?

456
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.579
Like this is, yeah, like this is probably good.

457
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:46.200
It does that thing.

458
00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:49.140
I don't usually like in television shows.

459
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:56.099
It's a load of nice people and normally that's spectacularly boring, but they're just really engaging.

460
00:30:56.220 --> 00:30:57.359
I think it's because they're funny.

461
00:30:57.420 --> 00:30:59.220
I think that's it.

462
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:06.779
I also think the idea that conflict between the characters not having conflict between the regular characters is boring.

463
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:11.099
That was not the thing about Star Trek, the Next Generation that was boring.

464
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.740
It wasn't...

465
00:31:13.740 --> 00:31:15.119
Oh, the less doing this podcast.

466
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:23.099
When they had conflict between the characters, on there were occasions when they had conflict between the characters, guess what?

467
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:24.720
It wasn't very interesting.

468
00:31:24.779 --> 00:31:27.240
And so that's not the problem.

469
00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:33.180
And it's the same with Discovery, where everyone on Discovery loves one another and is so supportive.

470
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.240
That's not boring either, I think.

471
00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:39.960
Although, to their credit, and you know I'm going to do this.

472
00:31:40.019 --> 00:31:49.140
That's why they then created a 90s trek show withinbuilt conflict between the characters, which just automatically made it more interesting because they were like, well, we can't do that again.

473
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:50.400
How boring was that?

474
00:31:50.460 --> 00:31:51.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

475
00:31:52.019 --> 00:31:54.240
But they could have just written better.

476
00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:01.140
So that's the hugely important scene there between him and O'Hora.

477
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:02.039
I can't believe it.

478
00:32:02.099 --> 00:32:06.599
Sorry to interrupt you, but they're actually putting that man's subtitles on the screen there.

479
00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:07.859
His alien language.

480
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.440
Just in case you want to say that language.

481
00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:11.880
It's there on the screen, all right?

482
00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:17.160
Yeah, they don't just put it in brackets and say unintelligible alien language.

483
00:32:17.220 --> 00:32:21.779
I think I may have switched off a little bit here, but why is this blue man protecting this little girl?

484
00:32:22.259 --> 00:32:24.299
Because he's a nice guy.

485
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:25.259
Oh, okay.

486
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:26.579
Are they both from the ship, yeah?

487
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:28.559
Yeah, yeah.

488
00:32:28.619 --> 00:32:39.839
So it says, so we hear a log by the captain of the ship, um, Captain Gavin, and she says that they...

489
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:41.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

490
00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:43.079
That's her last name.

491
00:32:43.140 --> 00:33:01.859
She says that they picked up the human and the, and the, and Buckley, and that they are, and an Orion, and they escape from a gone breeding planet, and the Orion hatched the gone, which attacked and killed everyone.

492
00:33:02.579 --> 00:33:06.180
So that's why you're like this happened. to explain all that to me.

493
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:06.660
Yeah.

494
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:10.500
So that was all just dealt within in like they they listened to her.

495
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:15.240
They listen to her. very dirty looking urchin, isn't she, that little girl?

496
00:33:15.299 --> 00:33:17.460
Well, she's new, essentially, isn't she?

497
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:18.240
Like, that's what that is.

498
00:33:18.299 --> 00:33:27.299
We have done this quite a few times on Star Trek because we, you know, the, the, the one child that's left on the ship when something horrible has happened, the bonding.

499
00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:28.380
Are you remembering aliens?

500
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.059
That the little girl in aliens?

501
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:30.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

502
00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:32.460
Yeah, the cliches.

503
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:33.299
Yeah, yeah.

504
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:34.140
But doing them well.

505
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:52.859
And I think it gives, it gives Arne something to do because I think there's a surprising thing that happens at the end of this episode, and that is that Laan leaves, and I think that we're, it's made clear to us that she's probably not leaving permanently.

506
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:59.579
But for this to land properly, it has to have consequences and it does.

507
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:09.420
The biggest surprise for me in series one of Strange New Worlds was Le On, because when we watched the 1st episode and I said, I'm not at all convinced about this character.

508
00:34:09.420 --> 00:34:11.460
She had that great hair.

509
00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:14.579
By the end of the season, she beat the shit out of it.

510
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:22.860
They had just revealed all these layers and then did that fabulous episode with her in the princess dress where she had got to have a lot of fun as well.

511
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:24.360
And by the end of the season.

512
00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:28.500
Yeah, by the end of this episode, I was going, no, you're like the best character on the show.

513
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:39.960
And actually, a lot of the tension does come from her because she's got this bad attitude because of her terrible pass and how they sort of smooth out her rough edges as the season goes along.

514
00:34:40.019 --> 00:34:41.820
That's the most interesting story, I think.

515
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:43.199
Characters.

516
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:52.920
And did you notice the thing earlier where she starts badgering Ariana and Mbanga says, can you stop harassing my daughter?

517
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:54.599
And then he goes, my patient.

518
00:34:54.659 --> 00:34:59.099
And like because last week was when his daughter left.

519
00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:03.119
I did notice that. and it's just a whisper of a link between me and that.

520
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:05.400
But it's enough to acknowledge.

521
00:35:05.460 --> 00:35:06.599
No, we're not forgetting that happened.

522
00:35:06.659 --> 00:35:07.800
The thing happened.

523
00:35:07.860 --> 00:35:09.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

524
00:35:09.059 --> 00:35:11.880
We're still walking around dark, dark corridors now.

525
00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:17.639
Yeah, but beautiful Ethan Peck is walking around. more close-ups.

526
00:35:18.059 --> 00:35:21.300
See that blood with all the handprints in it?

527
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.159
Like, that's the worst thing about it.

528
00:35:23.219 --> 00:35:25.139
Like, it's all hand printed.

529
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:26.639
Oh my god.

530
00:35:26.699 --> 00:35:27.480
Oh, look.

531
00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:30.300
Whatever it is that's gone into that ventilation ducting there.

532
00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:33.000
As always, in the traditional fashion.

533
00:35:33.059 --> 00:35:37.380
They must have been in the writer's room, going, come on, give me more cliches. all in.

534
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:38.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

535
00:35:38.579 --> 00:35:39.179
Yeah.

536
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:40.800
Oh, no, Lieutenant Duke.

537
00:35:40.860 --> 00:35:41.519
Oh, dear.

538
00:35:44.460 --> 00:35:48.000
I don't think there's a character I don't like on this show you know.

539
00:35:48.059 --> 00:35:49.440
No, no.

540
00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:52.500
I think they're all really just well drawn and really likeable.

541
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:56.880
I mean, there's easily one character on all the others where I'm like, no, I can take a lead.

542
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.099
Oh God, here we go.

543
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:00.119
Is this a bit worrying?

544
00:36:00.179 --> 00:36:01.619
Blue man bursts.

545
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:03.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

546
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:06.179
It takes a little while, but yes, yeah.

547
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:13.380
And so this is Cadet Shea, who, of course, he lifts up his sleeve and that's all this gun underneath.

548
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.260
So immediately we know something terrible is going to happen to his man.

549
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:19.619
Yeah, and she like she goes and looks at his neck as well.

550
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:22.019
And it looks like that's just a puppet.

551
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:22.860
That's rubber.

552
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:23.820
Do you know what I mean?

553
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:25.079
But look how good it looks.

554
00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:27.659
The sound effects of his breathing.

555
00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:29.880
Like, oh, it's horrible.

556
00:36:29.940 --> 00:36:32.699
And you can tell.

557
00:36:32.699 --> 00:36:35.880
I knew at this point we're going to do the aliens thing.

558
00:36:35.940 --> 00:36:38.460
Because he's clearly having a moment there.

559
00:36:38.940 --> 00:36:41.219
So you're just sort of waiting.

560
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.940
The suspense is that this takes about a minute and a half to happen.

561
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:46.980
Yeah, yeah.

562
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:49.860
But is she, the little girl goes away?

563
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:57.059
Um, but look at what happens to Cadet Shea, who was at the party, they were farewelling her as well.

564
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:01.139
Um, Oh yeah, he looks so distressing.

565
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:03.420
When you see him in profile as well.

566
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.179
Yeah, I mean, look at that makeup.

567
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:06.960
You're right.

568
00:37:07.019 --> 00:37:08.340
There's motion to it.

569
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:09.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

570
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:11.400
It's a proper thing.

571
00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:12.659
This little girl's pretty good too.

572
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:13.920
Yeah, I have to say.

573
00:37:13.980 --> 00:37:18.840
We don't have a lot of luck with kids in Star Trek, but... often bad.

574
00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:20.820
Yeah, it's in profile.

575
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:22.320
Look at that profile shop.

576
00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:24.900
It's that weird thing about he looks like he's going to throw up.

577
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:29.400
He's like, he's doing that heavy breathing thing you do just before you're born.

578
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:34.079
Oh, this, and she's covering her mouth because she's going to scream.

579
00:37:34.139 --> 00:37:39.599
Oh, and it builds and it builds and the music comes up. going down.

580
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:41.639
He touches...

581
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:42.840
Amulet.

582
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.500
And that is so gross.

583
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.460
Like just some liquid falls on the ground and that's what she sees.

584
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:53.340
And then she looks up and sees it happening.

585
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.940
And look at what look at what Nurse Chapel.

586
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:57.599
Oh my god.

587
00:37:57.659 --> 00:37:58.440
Oh.

588
00:38:00.420 --> 00:38:01.199
Isn't it great?

589
00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:05.280
And look at what she's in a pool of blood and she's twitching.

590
00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:06.599
The thing is, right?

591
00:38:06.659 --> 00:38:09.300
Oh my god, that 2 bursting out of him.

592
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.280
And they attack one another.

593
00:38:11.340 --> 00:38:13.139
What is the other one?

594
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:14.639
Oh, my God.

595
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.679
He comes out with sort of a shower of blood.

596
00:38:16.739 --> 00:38:17.639
That's what I'm thinking.

597
00:38:18.179 --> 00:38:19.920
Oh, what's great.

598
00:38:19.980 --> 00:38:21.059
It's the gore Muppets.

599
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:22.739
If you pause it, they're quite amusing.

600
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.360
They're quite funny.

601
00:38:24.420 --> 00:38:29.699
But because it's so quick and the movement is so realistic. is really good.

602
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:31.260
The movement's really, really good.

603
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:33.780
And you mix that with the visceral horror of all that blood.

604
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:35.880
It really just has the impact.

605
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:36.780
It was great.

606
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:37.800
Oh, here she goes.

607
00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:40.559
Yeah, yeah, she's brilliant actress.

608
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:41.340
Look at her.

609
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:42.059
Yeah.

610
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:45.059
So now everything's ramped up now.

611
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:46.619
Now we know what the danger is.

612
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:48.900
And now they've escaped.

613
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:50.519
Now we know there are monsters on board.

614
00:38:50.579 --> 00:38:53.699
There's a potential that people could start being eaten.

615
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:57.780
That's gonna sharpen your senses, isn't it?

616
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.599
You know, oh, look at that Jeffreys tube.

617
00:39:00.659 --> 00:39:02.460
It just looks like the ones in original Star Trek.

618
00:39:03.059 --> 00:39:06.659
Um, Yeah, yeah.

619
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:10.380
So he nearly, he fortunately didn't lose an arm, which is nice.

620
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:12.960
We just discovered POV shots.

621
00:39:13.019 --> 00:39:13.980
Yep.

622
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.739
He nipples on his neck.

623
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:19.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

624
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:20.340
And it just sort of pulls him.

625
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:31.320
And now because Spock is dragging him, like it's actually what happens to him, that makes Spock angry, and that's how he gets himself to be angry later when he's trying to kind of confront the Gorn.

626
00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:34.800
It's not someone he loves or anything, it's just a crew member.

627
00:39:34.860 --> 00:39:38.460
It is a fine directorial choice.

628
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:46.440
The POV of the alien dragging the man away down the corridor and you can see Spock on that getting further and further away as he goes.

629
00:39:46.500 --> 00:39:47.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

630
00:39:47.099 --> 00:39:48.900
Man, the execution.

631
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.280
So great.

632
00:39:50.340 --> 00:39:53.820
This is why we love doing coats, but we can say nice things about the direction.

633
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:54.780
Yeah, yeah.

634
00:39:54.780 --> 00:39:56.219
Look at the...

635
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.579
I love the force fields in this iteration of trek as well.

636
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.639
Wait, watch her. watch her now Yeah, yeah.

637
00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:04.980
This was really striking.

638
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:12.539
Look at that shot, though, where it's just her foot touching the ground and imagine that in 90s track.

639
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:19.559
Even a shot as simple as that because we just do mid-shots all the time and we only ever do close-ups of people's faces.

640
00:40:19.619 --> 00:40:21.420
Like we never tell the story like that.

641
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.719
And the lights are sort of flickering on and off as well.

642
00:40:24.780 --> 00:40:28.679
So there's just a, A sense of weirdness about it all.

643
00:40:28.739 --> 00:40:29.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

644
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.719
But you're just waiting for them to jump out on her and she looks so tense.

645
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:36.239
She's real good, isn't she?

646
00:40:36.300 --> 00:40:39.900
Look, I was hugging my cushions at this point going, 0 my God.

647
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:42.300
Those jackals don't go out there, please.

648
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:47.579
And then that bloody lawn comes and scares the life out of her, doesn't she?

649
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:48.960
Yeah, yeah.

650
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.559
You bitch, I would have said.

651
00:40:53.940 --> 00:40:55.679
Oh no.

652
00:40:55.739 --> 00:40:57.059
Oh wow.

653
00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:58.440
Yeah.

654
00:40:58.500 --> 00:40:59.699
Oh, there she is.

655
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:00.239
There we go.

656
00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:03.059
I feel a bit safer, though, because Lou Aunt Leah.

657
00:41:03.059 --> 00:41:05.219
Yeah, oh, God, she's got a bit of a gun, didn't she?

658
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.199
Look at the blood up the walls.

659
00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:10.739
Oh, my God.

660
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:15.119
Like, do they have to worry about how graphic this is?

661
00:41:15.179 --> 00:41:17.760
No, apparently not.

662
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:26.699
Well, no, because it's streaming, and they were doing it, remember, in, um, in Discovery series one.

663
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:30.780
And they're starting to swear a little bit more in Star Trek generally, and I like that.

664
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.119
I don't think they're doing it much on this show.

665
00:41:33.179 --> 00:41:37.320
They are doing it a little bit more on the other shows, which I kind of like.

666
00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:38.340
Yeah, weak enough.

667
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:40.199
I don't like the swearing, but I love the bloods.

668
00:41:40.260 --> 00:41:44.460
Well, see, I like the swearing because it makes them less like space people.

669
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:46.320
That's the that's the thing.

670
00:41:46.380 --> 00:41:48.360
It makes them more like normal people.

671
00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:51.239
Oh, I just can't see 90 straight space people.

672
00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:52.860
Oh, it's not East Strex episodes, though.

673
00:41:52.860 --> 00:41:53.699
I like space people.

674
00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:56.280
Yeah, I know, I know, I do too.

675
00:41:56.340 --> 00:42:01.380
But it's kind of very kind of network TV sanitised space people.

676
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:03.420
Fuck you, Jean-Luc.

677
00:42:04.860 --> 00:42:08.340
Well, he got to say it in Picard 23.

678
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.480
Okay, come on, we're going off to the gall now.

679
00:42:12.539 --> 00:42:15.780
No, we're looking for the good looking for Ariana.

680
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.199
I've taken that cumbersome costume from the original Star Trek episode.

681
00:42:19.260 --> 00:42:22.139
I'm making something so fucking chilling out of it.

682
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:23.340
Yeah, it's pretty great.

683
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:28.800
And they do, as we said, go partly there in enterprise. know what this is, don't you?

684
00:42:28.860 --> 00:42:31.199
This is revisionist continuity.

685
00:42:31.260 --> 00:42:37.199
This is nostalgia, which I do think Kurtzman does a lot, but done brilliantly.

686
00:42:37.260 --> 00:42:38.519
Yeah, yeah.

687
00:42:38.579 --> 00:42:40.380
I mean, this is nothing like Arena.

688
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:42.360
This is not much like the Gordon arena at all.

689
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:49.860
No, in fact, there aren't really many horror original series episodes, is there?

690
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.199
Yeah, I mean, it's too colourful for that.

691
00:42:52.260 --> 00:42:58.860
Yeah, I think there are things that are conceptually a bit horrifying and then there's sort of campy monsters and stuff as well.

692
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:00.239
We love that stuff too.

693
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:05.460
In fact, do you know what?

694
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:06.659
Given it is his last episode.

695
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.239
Well, Hemmer's been in... 34 scenes?

696
00:43:09.300 --> 00:43:10.019
Maybe?

697
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:11.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

698
00:43:11.820 --> 00:43:15.179
He's not sort of, but he was in that important scene with Ahura.

699
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:23.219
My point is, if this was 90 Strek, he'd be the highlight of the episode and we'd be psyched because in the fact he's dying all the way through, yeah.

700
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:24.119
Yeah.

701
00:43:24.179 --> 00:43:30.539
So the Ahura Arc is important, but there is also La Arnz Arc and there's also Spock's Arc here.

702
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:35.760
I think the Ahura one, which is what we top and tail the episode with, that's super important.

703
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.940
And Hammer has a massive role to play in that.

704
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.420
Um, So this, do you know what I mean?

705
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:44.880
Like, and this was my Benga talking to her.

706
00:43:44.940 --> 00:43:58.800
She is now talking to the little girl who she was kind of, you know, annoyed with before, um, and seeing herself in her, you know, and wanting to help, and that's healing for her as well.

707
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:00.480
I already turned lower the tone.

708
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:02.219
Do you know that little girl reminds me of?

709
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.619
Remember the X-Files episode, The Jersey Devil?

710
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:10.860
And at the end, the Jersey Devil's kids just sort of wearing a terribly dirty wig comes out of the hole.

711
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:12.420
She looks a bit like that, isn't she?

712
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:15.719
Well, she's having a terrible time, you know, she's not going to look her best.

713
00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:16.860
No.

714
00:44:18.059 --> 00:44:20.099
What the hell is that?

715
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:22.920
It's ruddy great monsters, and they're coming for you.

716
00:44:23.460 --> 00:44:25.619
I smell human blood.

717
00:44:25.739 --> 00:44:29.400
That's a that's a rather alarming thing for him to say.

718
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:33.539
But again, sorry, sorry to keep coming back to this.

719
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:35.460
Again, but Pike really isn't.

720
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:38.880
He isn't taking control of this, is he?

721
00:44:38.940 --> 00:44:40.559
Everyone's doing their beer.

722
00:44:40.980 --> 00:44:44.639
Yeah, we don't have comms for a lot of it.

723
00:44:44.699 --> 00:44:49.260
You know, we don't have comms for a lot of it, and we've only just got comms back.

724
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:53.519
I don't know why, because I don't know if I would excuse it on any other show.

725
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:54.780
But I like it.

726
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:57.239
I like how he just lets everybody do their thing.

727
00:44:57.420 --> 00:44:59.219
Yeah, yeah.

728
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:00.659
Yeah.

729
00:45:01.139 --> 00:45:08.880
So a comms are now online, and so now he starts to speak to everyone, but he hasn't been able to do that before.

730
00:45:08.940 --> 00:45:20.760
And so now he's able to warn everyone because each of them, these guys are only just Ahura and Hemma haven't even really discovered that the Gorn are about, except they've started to kind of detect it slightly.

731
00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:22.559
Oh, now they're hearing properly.

732
00:45:22.619 --> 00:45:33.659
It's like a, I always say with management, at the best of what managing, is not something that stamps all over people and makes themselves feel important all the time. you extract everybody's strengths, you know, and allow them to play their best game.

733
00:45:33.780 --> 00:45:35.159
That's what he does.

734
00:45:35.219 --> 00:45:36.599
Oh, my God.

735
00:45:36.659 --> 00:45:38.039
So good.

736
00:45:38.099 --> 00:45:40.260
Oh, and it just...

737
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:42.480
Yeah, yeah.

738
00:45:42.780 --> 00:45:44.760
Now, do we kill it?

739
00:45:44.820 --> 00:45:46.139
No, we don't need escapes.

740
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:47.460
It looks so good.

741
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:54.059
And look, it's more terrifying than that monster is Laan with a big gun baring her teeth.

742
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.199
If that was a scene in a movie. wouldn't be surprised.

743
00:45:58.260 --> 00:45:59.820
CGI was so great.

744
00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:01.019
It was really good.

745
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:01.920
Wasn't it?

746
00:46:01.980 --> 00:46:02.639
It was really good.

747
00:46:02.699 --> 00:46:04.619
And it's because they got a sort of like a lizard look.

748
00:46:04.739 --> 00:46:06.599
It doesn't look too ridiculous, you know?

749
00:46:06.659 --> 00:46:08.099
No, that's right.

750
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:09.000
That's right.

751
00:46:09.059 --> 00:46:11.340
And it is a little bit based on the enterprise version.

752
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:15.000
It has got fucking enormous incisors that are going to tear you apart.

753
00:46:15.059 --> 00:46:16.079
Yeah.

754
00:46:16.139 --> 00:46:16.619
Yeah.

755
00:46:18.420 --> 00:46:21.900
This fellow, this fellow Kirk with the moustache.

756
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:24.480
Yeah, I don't really know too much about him.

757
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:39.840
So he is he's obviously in episode two, which we've watched, and we do see him in season 2 with James T. Kirk, who obviously becomes a semi-regular in series two.

758
00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:41.760
So he's his brother.

759
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:55.199
And there is an episode of original trek where Kirk finds him dead, finds Sam dead. and turns the body over and it's Shatner with a moustache.

760
00:46:57.539 --> 00:47:00.420
Who's playing coach bed in series too?

761
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.519
I can't remember his name.

762
00:47:02.579 --> 00:47:05.159
He does turn up in episode 10.

763
00:47:05.460 --> 00:47:08.340
It took me, he turns up next episode to this.

764
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:16.679
It took me a little while to warm to him, but he has a great episode with Laan in series 2, and I really like him now.

765
00:47:16.739 --> 00:47:19.320
But a week off coming up, maybe I should binge that whole season.

766
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:21.300
It's really great.

767
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:22.800
I haven't seen the musical yet.

768
00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:24.539
Oh my goodness.

769
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:37.199
Bruce Horak does turn up for the musical, playing a Klingon, who's on another ship, who is also affected by the musical.

770
00:47:37.260 --> 00:47:40.380
I did see the cliff of the Klingons singing the boy band song.

771
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:41.760
I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

772
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:45.000
So one of them, one of them is Emma.

773
00:47:45.059 --> 00:47:46.320
Oh dear.

774
00:47:46.380 --> 00:47:50.280
When they said to go, Star Trek's gone soft and woke.

775
00:47:50.340 --> 00:47:51.179
I saw that scene.

776
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:53.039
I was like that's all the evidence they need.

777
00:47:53.400 --> 00:48:09.480
So, I, again, speaking of soft and woke, here is where they say, the advantage they have over the gaun is that the gauner fighting to the death to find out who the alpha is going to be, whereas we can work together.

778
00:48:09.539 --> 00:48:15.599
And, you know, that's entirely, you know, consistent with the theme of the episode.

779
00:48:15.659 --> 00:48:28.260
Are we, is it suggesting then that the people on this ship that were all devoured did not work together, and that's why the gore empowered them. just weren't stars of their own Star Trek shows, probably the problem. they weren't these characters.

780
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:29.699
Yeah, exactly right.

781
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:30.360
Yeah.

782
00:48:30.420 --> 00:48:32.820
Their names aren't in the opening credits.

783
00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:38.159
But like, you remember, I said you, I will stop labour in this point.

784
00:48:38.219 --> 00:48:40.199
I said you go and watch the ship.

785
00:48:40.260 --> 00:48:40.679
Yeah?

786
00:48:40.739 --> 00:48:41.940
Watch this go in that.

787
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.119
He's absolutely in command throughout the entire episode.

788
00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:46.739
He's barking orders at people.

789
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:48.119
He's telling people off.

790
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:53.340
That lovely scene there with Captain Pike, where he's saying, what, you do this, you do this, you do this.

791
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:53.940
You do this.

792
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.340
There's just no sort of force to him.

793
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:58.800
I really like it.

794
00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:06.719
I think Discovery does that too, with Michael and Saru, where you have captains who are good managers.

795
00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:12.239
They're not the king of, you know, in a Shakespearean tragedy or anything like that.

796
00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:14.519
They're just people who are good at handling people.

797
00:49:14.579 --> 00:49:16.860
Big Saru, maybe.

798
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:18.239
But you know me and Burnham.

799
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:22.619
Oh, she's, you know, already having great fun in series five.

800
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:24.179
Well, it's about time.

801
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:25.559
That's what I was going to say.

802
00:49:27.300 --> 00:49:29.099
There we go.

803
00:49:29.219 --> 00:49:31.920
Yeah, and Hammer is a pacifist.

804
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:33.719
Do the anar pacifist?

805
00:49:33.780 --> 00:49:34.380
Aina?

806
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:35.400
I don't even know how to say it.

807
00:49:35.460 --> 00:49:41.219
They're in an episode of Enterprise, but this isn't the 1st time where he said he won't kill anyone.

808
00:49:41.340 --> 00:49:52.199
You remember you said how appalling it was in Skin of Evil, where, you know, Tashio was talking about Jordan La Forge's site because everything about, but Levarber and Ashley is a sighted person.

809
00:49:52.260 --> 00:49:55.739
They've absolutely corrected that here, haven't they?

810
00:49:55.800 --> 00:50:00.119
with Emma, by having a blind man playing a blind character.

811
00:50:00.179 --> 00:50:03.179
And just making you absolutely adore him.

812
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:06.780
And then when it goes, you're devastated about his loss.

813
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:09.960
Oh, here's the monster it's chasing Celia.

814
00:50:10.019 --> 00:50:12.119
We've got a monster chasing Celia quick.

815
00:50:12.179 --> 00:50:20.219
POV shots make me a little bit hard, Nathan, if I'm honest, especially when they're doing that sort of radiation filter, you know, where the person's quiet.

816
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:21.900
It looks pretty great. doesn't it?

817
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:22.739
It looks pretty good.

818
00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:28.500
Oh, she walked straight through a load of dry ice then, but just like...

819
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:29.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

820
00:50:29.340 --> 00:50:33.480
So the dry ice is to cold is cold and the corn can't stand cold.

821
00:50:33.539 --> 00:50:35.699
I like Sam going, you're good at everything.

822
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:38.639
The bit where they blast the corn with the dry ice.

823
00:50:38.699 --> 00:50:39.659
Have I missed it?

824
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:42.239
No, no, no.

825
00:50:42.300 --> 00:50:44.699
Oh, no, no, no, that's a pier.

826
00:50:44.820 --> 00:50:47.039
Where large in the box. and then the gold's on the top.

827
00:50:47.099 --> 00:50:49.559
Smashing his way in like a madman.

828
00:50:49.619 --> 00:50:50.820
Yeah, it's terrifying.

829
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:51.780
Great.

830
00:50:51.840 --> 00:51:03.300
And so this is the spark scene where spot can't get the gone to react or respond, even though he's got a fuck off giant gun because he can't get angry.

831
00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:13.019
And now he imagines Duke, Lieutenant Duke being dragged away by the thing, which we saw earlier, and then he awakens it, but he can't put it away.

832
00:51:13.139 --> 00:51:16.019
And it's so good.

833
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:17.820
It doesn't like I tried to put it away.

834
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:19.619
She's like, oh, yeah, yeah.

835
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:20.820
Yeah.

836
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:32.400
And we've had that stuff because we had that conversation between her and and um, between her and Jess earlier, between her and Christina, um, about Vulcan emotions.

837
00:51:32.460 --> 00:51:35.579
The one thing we haven't praised in this episode.

838
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:44.460
The only thing is those gorgeous sound effects for the gall, the clucking and the chicken, which, you know, you can't see the gallon.

839
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:47.099
You could just hear the noise. wonderful.

840
00:51:47.159 --> 00:52:00.840
So Sam, who was being a panicky idiot earlier gets to save Spock after doing the racist you're a pointy eared computer, which is a very kind of, yeah, very appropriate for the period. that's right.

841
00:52:02.099 --> 00:52:06.780
That's why he's not bothered when McCoy's stopping.

842
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:08.460
Yeah, that's right.

843
00:52:08.579 --> 00:52:10.440
The alpha.

844
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:12.780
We got to take down the one in charge.

845
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:14.460
We got to put it down.

846
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:15.420
We put it down.

847
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:16.079
We go home.

848
00:52:16.139 --> 00:52:17.460
Good on you.

849
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:19.079
But that's she's so great.

850
00:52:19.139 --> 00:52:22.440
That is not your standard Star Trek ending. kill this thing.

851
00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:25.679
Normally, it's like, how do we reason with this corn?

852
00:52:25.739 --> 00:52:26.039
you know?

853
00:52:26.099 --> 00:52:28.500
Yeah, yeah, maybe that'll come later.

854
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:39.480
But for now having them be monsters is actually a really good call because we can still have federation values, but if they're going to eat you and that the only way of surviving is killing them, you have to do that.

855
00:52:39.539 --> 00:52:40.980
Do they eat everything?

856
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:44.519
Have they got any fresh corpses they could possibly use to lure them out into the open?

857
00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:46.320
I don't know.

858
00:52:46.380 --> 00:52:47.280
I don't know.

859
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:48.659
There was plenty of body parts outside.

860
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:50.219
Lieutenant, what's his face?

861
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:51.360
We found half of his corpse.

862
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:57.719
Yeah that's right. will dangle him from a Jeffrey Stube and then say it on fire.

863
00:52:57.780 --> 00:53:00.119
Oh, look at Christina Chong.

864
00:53:00.179 --> 00:53:01.559
Everyone's called Christina.

865
00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:07.019
It's sequels here. where the gaunt chases her down the corridor and starts leaving up the walls.

866
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:09.119
This is amazing.

867
00:53:09.539 --> 00:53:16.800
Can you imagine a woman in like the 1st 2 or 3 Star Trek series ever doing this?

868
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:18.840
No, which is so great.

869
00:53:18.900 --> 00:53:20.280
Maybe Tashyar.

870
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:21.420
Maybe Tashyar.

871
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:22.139
No, no.

872
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:22.860
No, no.

873
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:29.039
And this is so frightening because the thing is fucking slamming the glass and the glass is breaking.

874
00:53:29.099 --> 00:53:31.019
It's not going to keep it out.

875
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:32.519
Like, it's so good.

876
00:53:32.579 --> 00:53:34.199
It's so good.

877
00:53:34.260 --> 00:53:35.820
What's great about the...

878
00:53:35.820 --> 00:53:38.280
Oh, the dry arse coming down the stage dramatic.

879
00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:44.340
But like there's been so many sort of slower shots of people wandering around corridors.

880
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.739
What's great about these really exciting business.

881
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:47.820
The editing goes crazy.

882
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:49.380
You're inside the box.

883
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:50.219
You're outside the box.

884
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:53.039
Your POV showing and it's bang, bang, bang, bang, one after another.

885
00:53:53.099 --> 00:53:56.039
And you're like, oh, look, I can't take in what I'm actually being shown.

886
00:53:56.159 --> 00:54:00.119
It's it really expresses the desperation of the moment.

887
00:54:00.179 --> 00:54:01.739
It really good, isn't it?

888
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:04.139
And look at that.

889
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:05.159
That looks amazing.

890
00:54:05.219 --> 00:54:07.739
Little frozen, little frozen corn.

891
00:54:07.860 --> 00:54:09.780
Is it being all gone sickle?

892
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:15.539
I was actually a bit shocked.

893
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:21.420
I expected it to shatter where she just loses her shit with it and smashes it and all this gunk goes everywhere.

894
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:24.719
It looks a bit like a frozen kermit, doesn't it?

895
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:29.519
And that's great.

896
00:54:29.579 --> 00:54:33.300
Give her that moment where she gets to literally bash it to shit is great.

897
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:34.260
Yeah.

898
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.059
And now it's all about hemma.

899
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:36.719
Yes.

900
00:54:36.780 --> 00:54:37.800
Yeah.

901
00:54:37.980 --> 00:54:43.260
I like I said, there's been there's been enough time away from him for us not to suspect this at all.

902
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:44.820
No, that's right.

903
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:45.480
That's right.

904
00:54:45.539 --> 00:54:48.420
But I think, and, and, you know what it is?

905
00:54:48.420 --> 00:54:53.940
there, it's that, where she says, she realises 1st and says not quite.

906
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:55.440
It's not over.

907
00:54:55.500 --> 00:54:58.619
And then we cut to him and he says, I'm going to go outside.

908
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:08.639
You know what it is with Strangely Worlds, is they have learned the conventions of television, so they know how to subvert it and surprises.

909
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:13.139
And not each track, it's like, no, we're going to do all the conventions of television one after another.

910
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:14.340
That's right.

911
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:23.039
And all of this will try and do space things to stop it from happening, and of course we can't do that.

912
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:28.980
I do need to let everybody know that I have, in fact, been watching him of suicide.

913
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:31.619
This entire episode, Nathan's background in the Zoom call.

914
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:33.300
Yes, yes.

915
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:35.579
There's a tiny hammer falling out of the hatch there.

916
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:37.440
Behind me.

917
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:42.480
The way her reaction is so poignant.

918
00:55:42.539 --> 00:55:52.920
So what I love, what I love is he tells her, so he says goodbye to Spock and we have had him and Spock together as well.

919
00:55:52.980 --> 00:55:54.780
That went through the well.

920
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:56.099
Yes, he said my friend.

921
00:55:56.159 --> 00:56:04.619
And so what he says to Ahura is, you need to love people.

922
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.519
I want to leave you with one last piece of advice.

923
00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:09.659
This is so beautiful.

924
00:56:09.659 --> 00:56:12.900
Because it's happening to her now.

925
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:19.260
The thing that she fears more than anything else is connecting with someone and them dying.

926
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:20.760
Like happened with her parents.

927
00:56:20.820 --> 00:56:23.400
And he's dying right now.

928
00:56:23.460 --> 00:56:28.980
And he's telling her that even though this hurts, you have to keep doing it.

929
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:39.000
And so I love how Nurse Chappel just holds her while she's, you know, she's doing the usual...

930
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:40.860
She's making a connection there.

931
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:41.820
Yeah.

932
00:56:41.820 --> 00:56:49.320
Well, she has made this connection and it's hurting her right now, but he's saying you have to perceist. you have to keep doing it.

933
00:56:49.380 --> 00:56:51.900
And look, look.

934
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:54.059
Oh, beautiful, beautiful Celia.

935
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:54.719
She's so good.

936
00:56:54.780 --> 00:56:56.760
She's just all...

937
00:56:56.820 --> 00:57:01.500
Nestling a really shocking surprise at the end of such a cliche episode.

938
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:03.480
It was such a savage. such a great move.

939
00:57:03.539 --> 00:57:08.099
Yeah, because you're sort of relaxing into this going, all right, we know how this plays out.

940
00:57:08.219 --> 00:57:09.840
They're going to find the monsters.

941
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:12.480
And we've had the bit of relief.

942
00:57:12.539 --> 00:57:13.800
Like she smashed the monster.

943
00:57:13.860 --> 00:57:14.280
It's dead.

944
00:57:14.340 --> 00:57:15.360
It can't hurt us anymore.

945
00:57:15.420 --> 00:57:31.019
And that, just like Andoria, you know, the joke that was a fun character bit about what a weirdo he is, and he gets to look out on what, what looks like his homeworld for the last time in a incredible special effect.

946
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:32.579
He just disappears.

947
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:33.480
There he goes.

948
00:57:33.539 --> 00:57:35.340
He falls. tiny in the frame.

949
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:37.079
His minuscule there.

950
00:57:37.139 --> 00:57:38.400
Yeah, yeah.

951
00:57:38.460 --> 00:57:41.219
The only reason you can see him is that he's moving.

952
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:46.800
I saw how I would like to go, Nathan, in a moment of heroic self-sacrifice like this.

953
00:57:46.860 --> 00:57:49.860
I would like Celia Rose Gooding to be crying.

954
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:53.460
I want to go in slow motion, so that's perfect for me.

955
00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:57.360
You know, after being chased around by a load of monsters.

956
00:57:57.420 --> 00:57:58.380
I mean, it's just perfect.

957
00:57:58.500 --> 00:57:59.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

958
00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:03.960
So, oh, this is the tractor beam. dragging the ship. how broken the ship looks.

959
00:58:04.019 --> 00:58:05.940
Look how broken that Nacelle is.

960
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:13.380
I think we thought the consequence of this was going to be losing that lieutenant, which is still, that's still a good shock.

961
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:15.539
Oh, and and cadet cheer.

962
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:16.199
Like, that's it.

963
00:58:16.260 --> 00:58:19.739
I think we're put on, you know, I've forgotten about it.

964
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:22.860
She was twitching on the floor in a pool of blood.

965
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:24.420
It was a pretty great performance.

966
00:58:24.539 --> 00:58:26.159
A lot of people were, though, in this episode.

967
00:58:26.219 --> 00:58:27.360
Yeah, that's true.

968
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:30.599
Oh, yeah, where is she?

969
00:58:30.659 --> 00:58:32.519
Where is she in this episode?

970
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:35.639
So she was, she was flying the ship to deliver them.

971
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:36.659
Well pissed if it was me.

972
00:58:36.659 --> 00:58:38.820
The batteries to K7.

973
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:39.539
That's why.

974
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:42.840
You just need some terrible excuse to get them all down there.

975
00:58:42.900 --> 00:58:43.860
They do it all the time.

976
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:45.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

977
00:58:45.659 --> 00:58:48.960
But they get rid of Una and they get rid of of Erica.

978
00:58:49.019 --> 00:58:53.039
And Erica, I think, is the most underused character so far.

979
00:58:53.099 --> 00:58:56.219
And I think she's just as charming as her.

980
00:58:56.340 --> 00:58:57.119
Look how beautiful.

981
00:58:57.179 --> 00:58:59.159
What's the actress's name that plays Ahura?

982
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:03.059
Uh, it's it's um Celia Gooding Jr.

983
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:05.159
I keep calling a senior Gooding Jr.

984
00:59:05.219 --> 00:59:06.599
Celia Rose Gooding.

985
00:59:06.659 --> 00:59:11.099
Her father is a junior.

986
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:11.880
She's not.

987
00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:16.260
How she conveys emotion without overselling it.

988
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:23.579
She did it in that 2nd episode and really movement by barely doing a thing and she's doing it here right now.

989
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:25.980
What asset they've got there.

990
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:29.760
And she's quoting she's quoting him from episode four.

991
00:59:29.820 --> 00:59:32.400
Fix what is broken and he did.

992
00:59:32.460 --> 00:59:43.619
And Eve, what made her, what persuaded her to stay was actually undergoing the thing that she feared the most, and loving people means that this happens to you all the time.

993
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:46.860
And that's okay because it's worth it.

994
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:47.760
It's so good.

995
00:59:47.820 --> 00:59:52.079
And may I also add she is just beautiful as well?

996
00:59:52.139 --> 00:59:54.360
Oh, yeah, yeah, stunning.

997
00:59:54.420 --> 00:59:54.960
Just got it.

998
00:59:55.019 --> 00:59:55.860
A camera loves her.

999
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:57.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1000
00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:59.039
Here we go.

1001
00:59:59.099 --> 01:00:00.239
Spock and Ahura.

1002
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:01.320
Yeah.

1003
01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:03.300
Nog, nog, nog, nog.

1004
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:04.679
They did snog 2 weeks ago.

1005
01:00:04.739 --> 01:00:05.639
Come on.

1006
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:07.739
I mean, look at them. so pretty.

1007
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:08.820
You would, would you?

1008
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:10.559
Absolutely.

1009
01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:12.960
Oh my god.

1010
01:00:16.019 --> 01:00:18.599
I've let something out, rage and pain.

1011
01:00:18.960 --> 01:00:31.619
So, we were talking uh, the other night with um, like some of the flights through entirety people about how high def means that Spock has this sort of beard basically all the time.

1012
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:35.880
Um, you know, because clearly he's a man who needs to shave very frequently.

1013
01:00:35.940 --> 01:00:48.179
And so, like, Nemoy had a fair bit of makeup on us, Pock, as well, like, you know, pancake, but yes, he's much more heavily bearded than his predecessor.

1014
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.460
Even black, look at that hug.

1015
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.820
Well, it's a proper human heart. you know what I mean?

1016
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:56.159
Like that's that's what she offers.

1017
01:00:56.219 --> 01:00:59.099
It's how 2 people culling on to each other when they're in a lot.

1018
01:00:59.219 --> 01:01:04.860
And it's not, like, that's not what Spock is like, and we will explore this next year.

1019
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:15.360
And in fact, the theme of the annual Spock and to bring sex comedy, the straight of sex comedy, is him being human.

1020
01:01:15.420 --> 01:01:19.559
So is there going to be a sex comedy in series 3 as well?

1021
01:01:19.619 --> 01:01:20.639
I hope so.

1022
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:23.460
But you remember the body swap comedy in series one?

1023
01:01:23.460 --> 01:01:32.519
And then there's a high concept, sex comedy episode in series 2, which is just wonderful, which involves meetings. they're trying to write the mistakes they did in not his track.

1024
01:01:32.579 --> 01:01:34.380
Those terrible sex episodes in it.

1025
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:36.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1026
01:01:36.179 --> 01:01:38.820
There's not one of them that works in 90s.

1027
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:39.900
No, no.

1028
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:51.599
Now that we're back on the ship, on our ship, even though it's the same sets, not all of them, but the warmth of the lighting, how yellow everything is, you know. and the camera has stabilised.

1029
01:01:51.659 --> 01:01:52.739
Yeah.

1030
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:55.619
Not completely though.

1031
01:01:55.679 --> 01:01:57.840
I didn't realise it was all the same sets.

1032
01:01:57.960 --> 01:01:59.579
Yeah, yeah.

1033
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:01.139
It's just redressed enterprise.

1034
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:02.400
This is so cheapy then.

1035
01:02:02.460 --> 01:02:17.639
Well, the funny thing was that I think, um, Chris, or someone says that it's a blah, blah, blah, class ship, which is made up of many of the same parts that the Enterprise is.

1036
01:02:17.699 --> 01:02:20.340
They do hang a London on it, then.

1037
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:21.059
Oh, okay.

1038
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:23.880
That's very handy, a bit like N-pop normal, you know?

1039
01:02:23.940 --> 01:02:24.960
Yeah that's right.

1040
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:30.420
Well, remember it was a constitution class ship in the doomsday machine.

1041
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:31.920
It's not like they haven't done it before.

1042
01:02:31.980 --> 01:02:37.500
But it's quite nice to see the same sets. you know, dress and lit differently.

1043
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:40.920
I mean, I don't think anyone could look at this episode and say it's a cheapy.

1044
01:02:40.980 --> 01:02:45.719
But look how warm as well Christina Chong is in this scene.

1045
01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:52.679
And when she calls him Chris, there's something so lovely and warm about them calling him by his 1st name.

1046
01:02:52.739 --> 01:02:58.860
Just like after that, she's like an ice cube in that 1st episode and she slowly thaws throughout the season.

1047
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:01.920
So it's really nice. the thing that we can't hear.

1048
01:03:01.980 --> 01:03:08.219
So this scene, remember that she's been seconded to all sorts of things and that's why she was working, working with Hammer.

1049
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:10.559
She comes onto the Bridge of the Enterprise.

1050
01:03:10.619 --> 01:03:11.519
Is she about to leave?

1051
01:03:11.579 --> 01:03:26.400
Has she made a decision because there's her station and what we hear on the soundtrack is the sound that her station has made ever since original Star Trek. those little pinging Star Trek noises.

1052
01:03:26.460 --> 01:03:28.019
And that's what we go out on.

1053
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:31.980
And I think that's where she decides to take the position.

1054
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:41.219
Like, I've been talking a lot about course corrections that Strange Nuance has been doing throughout this episode and where it hasn't worked in the past, but lots of different things.

1055
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:49.500
Ahura is the best example of that, where you and I have done countless episodes of original Star Trek, where she's barely got a line.

1056
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:52.019
And we'd be going, well, she's just there shed doing nothing.

1057
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:54.059
This is what she should have had.

1058
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:56.039
I'm so pleased they're doing this.

1059
01:03:56.099 --> 01:03:59.039
It's a shame to Michelle Nichols because she was great.

1060
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:04.019
And I think Michelle did get to mate Celia, I think.

1061
01:04:04.019 --> 01:04:04.800
I can't remember.

1062
01:04:05.099 --> 01:04:11.219
But, you know, like Nichelle did live long enough, I think, to see the beginning of this.

1063
01:04:11.340 --> 01:04:22.980
There's something I don't need to talk to you about, which I said I was going to bring up in the episode, and then we had no time to do it because we were too busy squealing and laughing at all the bloods. occurred in this.

1064
01:04:23.099 --> 01:04:44.519
But you know, I should sent you a link recently of a YouTube video of a man who finds all of modern day trek, absolutely appalling, woke, you know, nonsense, and always refers back to the heydays of 90s trek when it was serious and worthy and, you know, spectacular drama.

1065
01:04:44.579 --> 01:04:46.139
Well.

1066
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:48.539
I used to be that person, I think.

1067
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:58.320
And what it pleases me to say, through our run of dipping in and out of Kurtzman Trek, which I really didn't have a lot of love for at all.

1068
01:04:58.380 --> 01:04:58.800
You know that.

1069
01:04:58.860 --> 01:04:59.880
Yeah, yeah.

1070
01:04:59.880 --> 01:05:16.980
And through my discussions with you, and just through being able to compare TV from the 60s to the 90s, to now and the characterisation and how they write these shows and how they, as I said, subvert the conventions of television.

1071
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:20.579
There is something incredible happening in Kursman Trek.

1072
01:05:20.699 --> 01:05:21.719
I don't think they always get it right.

1073
01:05:21.780 --> 01:05:24.119
I think they do lean into nostalgia too much.

1074
01:05:24.179 --> 01:05:27.480
And, you know, they they do learn their lessons as they go.

1075
01:05:27.539 --> 01:05:31.440
But the best of it, and this show, strangely well.

1076
01:05:31.500 --> 01:05:32.699
This is the best of what they do.

1077
01:05:32.940 --> 01:05:35.699
It's just fucking exceptional.

1078
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:45.239
How anybody can look at this TV and say this is bad compared to something like horse oblivion than we watched last week.

1079
01:05:45.300 --> 01:05:46.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1080
01:05:46.739 --> 01:05:48.659
Are you people mad?

1081
01:05:56.460 --> 01:06:01.800
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time to find out what we're doing next.

1082
01:06:01.860 --> 01:06:07.260
I was the one who for once rolled a good episode of Star Trek.

1083
01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:08.880
What in 10?

1084
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:10.500
You've got to get it right.

1085
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:11.460
Yeah, that's right.

1086
01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:15.480
So what are we going to be watching next week?

1087
01:06:15.539 --> 01:06:26.519
Well, obviously, we've watched some stunningly executed television, so we'll do what we normally do and spring ball back to some less stunningly executed television.

1088
01:06:26.579 --> 01:06:31.019
And we're going back to the 90s again just because I love talking about it so much.

1089
01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:34.500
And because we're so fucking much of it we've got to get through.

1090
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:35.880
Yeah, exactly.

1091
01:06:35.940 --> 01:06:41.340
I'm going to put in my free fades to talk about Next Generation Deep Space Island Voyager.

1092
01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:42.539
Yep, yep.

1093
01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:43.739
And let's see what we get.

1094
01:06:43.980 --> 01:06:46.139
Oh, buck at me.

1095
01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:47.219
No, no.

1096
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:48.599
Oh, what is it?

1097
01:06:48.659 --> 01:06:52.260
Oh, don't press the button. yeah You have to know what it is.

1098
01:06:52.260 --> 01:06:54.599
Got to be shit on 90s track of all the time.

1099
01:06:54.659 --> 01:06:55.679
Oh, what is it?

1100
01:06:55.739 --> 01:06:56.159
What is it?

1101
01:06:56.219 --> 01:06:57.360
You're right.

1102
01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:57.840
Star Trek.

1103
01:06:57.900 --> 01:07:01.019
The next generation episode is season six, episode 22.

1104
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:01.920
Suspicions.

1105
01:07:02.940 --> 01:07:04.260
Yeah.

1106
01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:05.940
I can't wait to do suspicions.

1107
01:07:07.139 --> 01:07:10.440
Oh, but we were so mean of it.

1108
01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:11.460
It's really terrible.

1109
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:14.880
It's so terrible. terrible in a fun way.

1110
01:07:14.940 --> 01:07:17.099
All right, okay, roll again.

1111
01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:20.219
Oh, yes.

1112
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:21.119
Okay.

1113
01:07:21.179 --> 01:07:22.019
No, no, no, no.

1114
01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:35.519
This is one of my favourite next generation episodes. and I can practically guarantee on this rewatch, it will still be one of my favourite next generation episodes.

1115
01:07:35.579 --> 01:07:37.380
Season three.

1116
01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:41.099
Episode three, the survivors.

1117
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:44.639
Oh, I love this episode.

1118
01:07:44.699 --> 01:07:49.980
It's the one where Troy is hearing all that music box music and she's like, please make it stop.

1119
01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:50.820
Yeah.

1120
01:07:50.820 --> 01:07:53.519
The reason, I mean, we'll get interesting.

1121
01:07:53.579 --> 01:07:58.320
The reason I think this works so well is it's just so simple is such a simple idea.

1122
01:07:58.380 --> 01:08:00.000
Brilliantly done.

1123
01:08:00.059 --> 01:08:01.860
Yeah, okay.

1124
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:02.579
Yep.

1125
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:06.239
Yeah, I just remember that house, the fantastic...

1126
01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:08.340
The spatial of the grass.

1127
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:11.280
Yeah, square of brass on the deserted planet.

1128
01:08:11.340 --> 01:08:12.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1129
01:08:12.300 --> 01:08:12.840
Yeah.

1130
01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:13.380
Yeah.

1131
01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:15.840
I remember Riker been trussed up a tree.

1132
01:08:15.900 --> 01:08:16.920
Do you remember on the rope?

1133
01:08:16.979 --> 01:08:18.300
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1134
01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:19.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1135
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:23.100
But it's just proper them doing Star Trek things all episode too.

1136
01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:27.300
People are going to think we've got something against Marina 30s because the last episode we watched.

1137
01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:29.699
We love being evil, which she was being tortured.

1138
01:08:29.699 --> 01:08:31.800
And now in this episode, she's being tortured again.

1139
01:08:31.859 --> 01:08:33.060
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1140
01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:33.960
But she is awesome.

1141
01:08:34.020 --> 01:08:34.680
Cheers.

1142
01:08:34.739 --> 01:08:36.060
All right, cool.

1143
01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:36.840
Brilliant.

1144
01:08:36.899 --> 01:08:50.340
Let's do it You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1145
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We're online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

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Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

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This episode was recorded on the 9th of April, 2024 and released on the 26th of April.

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We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, the Survivors.

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Of course.

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Worthy Star Trek, course oblivion, yeah.

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And this guy, right?

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Because I could listen to 90 seconds of it, but he had like boring fanboy voice and it was just shitting me and so I couldn't last any longer.

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And he's going, uh, the last time that Star Trek did anything original was Voyager and Enterprise.

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And I'm kind of going, you know, you do realise Voyager is, what if Star Trek the Next Generation only right wing?

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And then Enterprise is, what if Star Trek, the Next Generation, only much more right wing?

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You know, like, really, right?

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That's right Like, what's, what's so original about it?

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You know?

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Like, in fact, in fact, that guy, and I did read the 1st comment, he likes Stranger Worlds, but Stranger Worlds, he's very Trad.

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And so what he was reacting to, although he identified it as it being unoriginal.

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What he was reacting to was Star Trek doing things that it's never done before.

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And he hated that, clearly, discovered.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Like when discovery arrives, it very, very clearly says this is not a 90s Star Trek episode.

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This isn't just the next Star Trek that came along.

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This is something different.

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And of course, Discovery has all of its own problems and stuff, as we've talked about.

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But this actually says, no, this is the next Star Trek show, we're even going to do the monologue in the opening credits.

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This is a success of Star Trek.

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It's this, next gen, and original Star Trek are the 3 Star Trek episodes, 3 Star Trek series, you know.

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In its execution, in its writings.

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They just understand how to make better TV.

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And that's a thing that happens over time.

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Like this is this is the thing.

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Like, I think we can grade on the curve.

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And I think that, like, I think there's genuinely brilliant, you know, like original track and genuinely brilliant 90s track.

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We wouldn't afford them for it if there wasn't something there.

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No, that's right, but people got better at watching television and at making television and that's just undeniable.

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And so this looks and is paced and has better dialogue and more interesting characters than previous iterations of Star Trek did.

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But it's fine.

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In the same breath, we could still watch, you know, that boring if memory serves that we watch from Discovery series.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then watch Star Wars.

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That was boring.

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A week later, I go, that's a bit of television.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's not, you know, there's overlaps and all sorts of things.

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And I think you do grate on a curve.

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I think it's absolutely, you know, unreasonable to watch an episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation, and complain that it doesn't have great CGI monsters in it.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like they do with I think I think we can complain about how bad the budget is.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And how that is, like, grappities in all sorts of ways.

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But, you know, like it does inventive things and all of that sort of stuff.

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Like we talked about the...

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Just saying we're not going to do 24 episodes.

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We going to do 10 and that makes a difference.

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Except the amount of money, that makes a huge difference, doesn't it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But remember that what they do is they run a bunch of series at the same time and it's not happening now and there was COVID and people's contracts ended and we're in a weird position.

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If you have a bad episode, then it's one of 10 rather than one of 26.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, yeah, no, there's swing some roundabouts, but sure.

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But I really have to come to embrace this though, which is quite nice.

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Yeah, it's so good.

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I mean, Fitzbat is still annoying.

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Discovery and other shows.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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No, fair enough too. we'll get there.

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I think we've got a tag there, you know.

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Yeah, I think we probably do.

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All right.

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Let's roll a thing.

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Let us roll everything. you sure?

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Yes, because you you said we're definitely going to do Strange New Worlds because you needed a...

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That's right.

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Well, I can't promise it's going to be a good one next, baby.

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All right, I'll do it.

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All right, it's the end of the episode.