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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back aboard Enterprise for Strange New Worlds.

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We are doing the 4th episode of Strangely World Series one that

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we've done.

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And in fact, this is episode nine, our previous episode was

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episode eight, the Elysian Kingdom, which we did in episode 62.

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And then before that, we did episode 7, the serene squall, in

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episode 39.

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And of course, we cheated when Strange New Worlds, the pilot was

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the only episode that had been broadcast we rolled that after

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choosing just Strange New Worlds to watch.

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So by the end of tonight, we will have watched 20% of the

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available episodes.

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Make Sean some more out then, please, so we can watch more.

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Well, I gather that series 3 is in production now that the rider

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strike and everything is over. definitely getting a new set of

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episodes fairly soon.

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What's all there, Nathan?

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The next one we're watching is episode 10 of series one, right?

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Good well be.

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Yeah, it's the only excited series one I haven't seen.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So we actually watched this together in person and you hadn't seen

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it before, but I had.

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I'll tell you what right?

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What an experience it was.

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We were screaming and squealing and laughing.

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It was wonderful.

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It was one of those wonderful moments of watching television that

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I always remember because I don't know what I was expecting with

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this go on episode, but it was not this. for sure.

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It's a pretty incredible thing that they've done with the Gaunt

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isn't it?

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Because the Gorn is a sort of big rubber lizard in a spangly

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cocktail dress in arena and it is a great monster.

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Like, it's an undeniably superb monster, but it is terribly cat.

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It's a bit awkward and static though, isn't it?

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That's the trouble, you know.

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The poor fellow has not got manoeuvrable limbs.

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No, and we we did mention that in the special edition, they do

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make the gorn blink in the special CT up the defence, which is

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pretty great.

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They are back in Enterprise, I think.

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Yes, in in a mirror darkly, the 2 part alternative universe story

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and mostly done in the half dark, in very good CGI, not brilliant

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but fairly good for the time.

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Anyway, we've seen some terrible CGI of Enterprise.

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And lots of POV shots.

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So a lot of what they're doing here as well.

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So I feel like the progression from that to that to this...

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Well, now they kind of works.

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Fucking amazing, don't they?

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Absolutely chill.

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So good.

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And so this is our 2nd gone episode, really, of the season.

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We've got La'an's backstory.

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And then we had the episode Memento Mori, where all we got to do

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is encounter the gone on their spaceship.

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That was one of the best ones of the season.

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Really great It's actually sort of submarine episode packed full

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of carrot stuff.

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Yeah, written by the same guy who wrote this episode as well.

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So the Gorn, and obviously towards the end, and you haven't seen

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the end of series 2, but the Gorn are back, and it does look like

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they're shaping up to be the kind of big bad for Star Trek, Strange

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New World, which I think is a great choice.

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Yes, I mean, in terms of like visceral horror.

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Absolutely.

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Like, can we have a conversation with them?

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Can we can we engage intelligently with them?

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's that's the normal Star Trek way though, isn't it?

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Exactly.

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So the, the, you know, adversaries in previous iterations of Star

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Trek have always been people, but here they're just monsters, and

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so they're monsters on a spaceship, and they're really kind of

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deadly and terrifying, and that final episode of series 2 is quite

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amazing, and the Gorn really kind of sell it.

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So here the job, I think, is to introduce the Gorn properly as an

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adversary, and do what Star Trek has done before, but not

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generally very well, which is a sort of creepy horror episode.

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You remember when we were sort of exploring the Borg ship in

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Scorpion recently?

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Yeah, and you were lamenting how terrible, and I was going how

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atmospheric it was.

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I don't think 90s trek can't do horror at all.

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I think there's a couple of episodes where they pull it off.

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I think endpoint law is pretty good. revulsion has some

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atmosphere.

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But TV's just come on so much since 90s trek.

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This is executed flawlessly.

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Yeah, it looks pretty amazing.

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I want to say that before I now say the 2 issues I have with this

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episode.

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I want to get them out of the way because I basically just want to

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say nice things.

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And none of them are a problem of this episode of Strange New

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Worlds, and they are entirely a problem of the genre, the horror

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genre that we're watching.

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And my number one issue is our 1st viewing of this was so

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spectacular because that sequence where the corn come bursting out

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of that blue man in true alien style.

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I mean, it was just absolutely glorious, that bit.

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And something I never thought I'd see Star Trek do, something that

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sort of gross in horror terms.

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But, in the rewatch of this, and it's a problem with, And it's a

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problem with horror movies in general, is that once you've watched

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it once, you're basically waiting for the big set pieces and

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you're just going around a lot of dark corridors to get there, you

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know?

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So it doesn't have the same sort of frison as you did in the 1st

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one.

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So this time around, I was like, this is very well made.

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When are we going to get to that bit where the gall burst out of

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that man?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The other issue is there's nothing original here at all.

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It is just a load of horror cliches thrown in.

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So it's kind of light 90s shreking that way.

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That's the only way it's like 90 straight though.

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And I was sort of ticking them off as I went, you said to me

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earlier, predator POV shots.

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Yeah, we do the alien thing.

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We do it all just so well.

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And I think the big difference with this is we love these

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characters.

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So we immediately feel anxious when they're in a situation of high

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peril that they are here.

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So that's why this works so well.

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I think if it was badly executed or it was the Voyager crew, we

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might be on shaky territory.

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Yeah, well, I mean, like, if you think about something like, is it

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macrocosm, where you've got Janeway with a big gun going through

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the corridors, CGI insects.

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It's trying to pretend that it's there.

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Oh, it's just awful.

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So part of the problem, I think, with 90 Streak doing this is that

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it's doing it on a kind of daytime soap opera budget with just a

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bit of CGI stuff thrown in.

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And so now we can actually do it a lot more convincingly.

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For me, what works is exactly what you identified is the

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characters and in particular the through line for Uhura.

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And so we see, yeah, we see Ahura at a party at the beginning, we

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know her backstory because I think that she explains it in episode

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2, I want to say, which I think is the best episode series one

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episode two.

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Oh, okay, wow.

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It is beautiful.

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Like, that's a stunning episode.

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That was just great television. is a perfect Star Trek episode.

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Yeah, wonderful. just wonderful.

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Really, really, very good.

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And so she explains her backstory.

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And she has throughout the season been doing, I think, I think

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Rutherford does this at one point on Lower Decks, where she sort

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of seconded to different departments because she doesn't quite

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know what she wants to do.

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She's a linguist, but she doesn't know where she wants to be.

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And obviously the final shot of this episode kind of tells us

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where she's going to end up and obviously we know that and have

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known that for 50 something years now.

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But she starts not wanting to stay because she doesn't want to put

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roots down.

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And it's a conversation that she has with Hammer in, uh, like I

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think it's in episode 4 and and a conversation that she has with

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him here about not wanting to make connections with people because

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she was hurt by the loss of her parents and so she's avoided

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finding a place to settle down.

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And like, I just think that's nicely done.

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He says to her at the beginning of this, doesn't he?

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He goes, you make connections with people.

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It's one of your strengths.

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Why are you pushing against that?

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Yeah, I've had a similar conversation in my life, you know, where

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some people have said that to me.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I think it's a really good, it's a really good

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conversation. and it really works.

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And so what it means is that although Hammer has only been in 6

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episodes, including this one, his death lands properly, because

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you've got Celia Gooding reacting to it and it just works so

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incredibly well, I think.

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And let's just also say Bruce Horak's performance as the character

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is so strong and just so brilliant every time he appears.

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What's great about it is it's not falling in sort of the Buffy the

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Vampire Slayer trap of we've got characters that are just too

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great to kill.

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So they just go on and on and on, probably longer than their

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actual creative life is.

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Whereas we've got a great character here and actually he could

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have done an awful lot more, but they actually, whether the actor

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wanted to go or for whatever reason, they choose to write him out

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and it really impacts, despite the fact that he has legs to

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continue.

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Oh, I like that.

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I think that's a good creative choice to make.

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But also as well, at the beginning, the 2nd she's going well.

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Well, I'm leaving the enterprise now, you know, our warning bell

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should have been going off end of like, something terrible is

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going to happen to make a stay because we know that's not the case

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right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course.

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It is the 3rd Star Trek series to kill a major character in its

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1st season.

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And so, of course, skin of evil kills Tasha Yar.

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Yes, which we recently did.

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And then in the final episode of Lower Decks, season one, no small

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parts.

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Lieutenant Shacks is killed.

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Saving Rutherford.

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But they turn into the most spectacular joke, long term.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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How did Lieutenant Shacks die?

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We don't talk about that.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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Um, watch, I think we should watch this, you know.

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I've got to say, I'm a huge horror movie fan, so this ticks all of

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my boxes.

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I tend to prefer psychological horror.

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Then, you know, one of my favourites is the Hana Rocks, the Cradle

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that sort of horror. cruels under your skin because it's people

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doing terrible things.

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But when a good monster movie is pulled off and this is a great

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monster movie, it's a wonderful thing to behold.

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Yeah, I agree.

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All right. let's go in I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So in the episodes of Discovery that have just aired, you know, the

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series 5 just started as we record, it is Discovery that does that

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Ident thing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it's the cereta.

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I like how they love them all with that, though. a great idea, you

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know?

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So again, we've said this before, it's really obvious, but the

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previously on Strange New Worlds is always about what's happened

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with the characters.

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I was watching it this time to see if you were lying to me or not

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and you was telling me the truth.

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Absolutely.

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So it's fucking...

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Nurse Chapel...

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Spock then confessing it to his to bring it to bring.

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We get the Arn's backstory.

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We get the big pile of thing of blood from Memento Mori, the

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colonists.

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I love the fact they're not afraid to put a bit of blood on the

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screen, you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I think the 1st time that we've ever seen like real proper gory

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horror on Star Trek was in episode 3 of Discovery, which is called

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context is for Kings, where they go aboard the USS Glenn and the

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Tardigrade is kind of killing people.

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Um, So, so, and that Supergory and stuff like that, I'm glad that

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they can do that now.

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I think that's that's really good.

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So, see, this is the party, and of course, this is her talking

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about her experience.

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This is Ahura talking about her experience, her experience on the

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ship in all of these different places, and now she's turning up to

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this party.

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And the idea that we have food in Chris's quarters all the time is

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absolutely brilliant, I think, like really, really quite brilliant

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because it gives us a proper chance to really, really get to know

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these characters and for them to do banter that isn't horrifically

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embarrassing.

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It's what I said to you in DS9, isn't it?

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the same thing when Cisco's always cooking in his squads and he

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advised people down, that sort of domestic angle.

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Suggests a family without having to tell you, this is a family

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because what do we do as a family?

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We all come together and eat.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And this year too, you know, we've only got 10 episodes this

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season.

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It happens quite a lot in that time and is introduced as early as

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episode two, like the beginning of episode two.

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It really becomes a thing.

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I just, I feel like the skill that the economy with how quickly

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they got us to like these characters, how quickly they established

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the relationship and then started doing interesting things that

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you said about Hemmo, who doesn't get a lot of screen time

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really.

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Um, and his relationship with Ahura at this, uh, initially, it's a

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little bit fracturous.

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Then they come to find some common ground.

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Then they're working together brilliantly.

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Then you have a few episodes where things are great between, and

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then we lose him here and she's absolutely devastated.

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And what's that, 5 episodes?

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Yeah, I think it might be three.

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I don't think it's quite as much between those 2 characters A lot

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of skill to deliver that as quickly as that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So, I know what, well, all right, as they've got working on this

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show, but they've chosen them well.

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It's brilliant.

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Even this little bit here where Uhura asks Erica for permission to

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speak freely because Erica obviously outranks her and Erica's

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going, what are you doing?

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Like, what are you doing?

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And it is her pulling back.

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You know, it's her wanting to pull back, particularly since Chris

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has been talking about how they're like a family.

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You know, I just want you to imagine that...

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That scene playing out on Voyager between Tom Paris and Harry

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Kim.

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Yeah, yeah, just embarrassing.

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Oh I love number one so much.

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I think she's great.

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I don't think she gets enough to do in series one.

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I'm hoping in series 2 when we explore that.

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She gets a bit more to do.

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Yeah, yeah.

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She does get some good stuff in one, but he issues off on a B plot

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that we never see.

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So she's delivering the thing.

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Now this is so funny.

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So Lana's come in.

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She's been speaking to the ship psychologist because of her trauma

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which is a thing.

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Her trauma really defines who she is and is really, really

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important in this episode, so we get it established really early.

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Just this stuff here, where, you know, they're eating, he's

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feeding her.

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He puts the apron of Spock and look at sponsoring action.

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I like it when she goes when she goes, I'm not eating that.

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Oh my god, that's delicious.

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Give it back, you know.

335
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Yeah, yeah.

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No, Beng is there in the background and he just says, oh, yeah, and

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the waffle.

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You know, like all of that stuff.

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They're doing properly funny banter.

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And what happens is watch hike and watch number one.

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They're like her parents.

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They're short.

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Like in a maternal and a paternal way with her.

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It's really nice.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Even with banger's line there, you know, is an emergency landing

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ever scheduled. you know, like someone says unscheduled emergency

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landing.

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You're going to go, well, they're all unscheduled, aren't they?

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And you've got him saying that, which is cute.

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I know this is useful stuff, and a lot of this is, you know, her

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backstory is being mentioned again because we're going to do a go

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on episode.

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But I think showing this sort of familial relationships before

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leaping into the horror is vital.

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This is how much we love these people.

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Look how great they are together.

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My God, now they're in terrible peril.

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It's really well done.

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And it shows you because...

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He's been talking.

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Yeah, I know.

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Biker's been talking about them being a family and that's what

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Ahura's running away from.

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She's frightened that they are a family and they do become a

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family and here we just get to see it.

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You know, like we actually get, and it's a mission briefing, which

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would have been done in like Astrometrics or the observation now

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just...

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Voyager Conference table.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it said they're eating and kind of just chatting and stuff.

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You know, like Spock's in the foreground they're doing the washing

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up.

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Look, he's doing the washing up in that shop.

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Oh, I'm a bit appalled, actually, that they've left space station

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K7 in darkness without their power cells.

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They're sending Una to get the power cells for K7.

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Weren't they a ration waggon?

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really shocked me in this episode.

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And it doesn't mean something you said to me before, is how hands

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off Captain Pike is.

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And when they go down onto the planet, he doesn't take control in

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a way I usually expect a captain on Star Trek to do.

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Yeah.

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It's quite refreshing, but also I'm like, I really expected like a

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big authority figure here to say, right, this is what we're going

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to do.

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He doesn't do that.

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Look at this shot.

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Look how incredibly good this shot is.

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Look how far we've come.

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You know, because there's snow and moisture.

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There's the layer thing, like the whole thing looks so good.

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Coming out of the ground there.

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It looks wonderful.

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But you actually expect this episode, like on a Voyager episode

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the opening credits would have come in after that scene.

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After Pike does the joke about, you know, I'm not going to turn

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this car around.

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You know, stop or I'll turn this car round or whatever, you know

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he's being spacedad and he's got the spaceship station waggon.

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And that's the theme of the episode and then we do the thing

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there.

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But we don't.

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We come here and we establish the thread.

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And this looks amazing.

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Like, not for a second.

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I think you just summed it up.

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Space that.

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That's what Captain Pike is.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But not like a domineering.

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Hem is really happy because this is like Andoria.

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And, you know, you just sort of think, oh, Hammer, you weirdo.

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That's really important.

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It's going to be a long time.

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But in fact, that's one of the things that makes that scene where

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he dies so poignant, I think.

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Oh my god.

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What's the actress's name who plays Nurse Chappell?

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Um, Jess Bush.

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She's Australian. is incredible in this episode.

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There's a dialogue free scene where she's putting her feet down on

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the floor to escape the goal.

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Oh my god, it's good.

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Nobody else sells the danger that they're in better than she does

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in that scene.

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She's really good.

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She's probably scared without being pathetic.

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What's that?

433
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Look how quickly we're out.

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We see the blood and we don't even have time to react or in the

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opening credits before we even realise it.

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And there's not even like a big musical thing or anything to say

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oh, that's the end of the teaser.

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We just strayed into the thing.

439
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I think it's really well directed this episode as well.

440
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No, I said earlier, flawlessly.

441
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

442
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I certainly hope he's back.

443
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This is the only title sequence in Untitled Star Trek project that

444
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I watch all the way through every time.

445
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Oh, I know, I always...

446
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I love the bit where it goes...

447
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I just think it's gorgeous.

448
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The series 21, I think, is even better.

449
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They change some of the shots and make it...

450
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Do you know what I mean?

451
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And maybe they do that every year, which would be nice.

452
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Takes that sort of miserable original Star Trek theme tune, which

453
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I don't like at all and make something of it, you know?

454
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Talks it out beautifully.

455
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I realise we've just lost everyone that listens to this now by me

456
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saying that, but never mind.

457
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It's the truth.

458
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But this is the Voyager title sequence, isn't it?

459
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Yeah, essentially. with a budget.

460
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

461
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And imagination.

462
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That's fair.

463
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When I 1st saw the Voyager title sequence, I thought it looked

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incredible.

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I think the mistake in the Voyager tighter sequence is having the

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ship always so far away.

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And I know why because the ship is travelling a long distance to

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go home and that's what they want to sell, but here where you've

469
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got a combination of long shots and very close-up shots, I think

470
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it works better and it's more dynamic.

471
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I think that making the music to Voyager and DS9 so worthy.

472
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Yeah, yeah.

473
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It's a mistake because they just, oh, it feels like a chore to get

474
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through, you know?

475
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Whereas it's just got a bit of pace to it, you know?

476
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Christopher J.

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Byrne, I salute you, sir.

478
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Your direction is terrific.

479
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So we know we're in deep doo-doo already.

480
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We found our bloody harm in the snow.

481
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Yeah.

482
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Never a good sign, is it?

483
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Yeah, no, no, that's that's never that good.

484
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And see, so we're now very quickly away from the studio serving as

485
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the planet's surface with the big effects wall.

486
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Here, look at the frost on the mirror.

487
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Like again, just selling the environment, the snow, all of that

488
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stuff is really done quite well.

489
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The rest of it's just in the sets, isn't it?

490
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It's just in the enterprise sets that they've kind of trashed up

491
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and they're directing differently.

492
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This will hold up in 10, 20 years time because they don't try and

493
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do anything way beyond their meat.

494
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Even the CGI is minimal in this.

495
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And quick, it's quick.

496
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So you've barely got time to register what's happening.

497
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Yeah, like I think, is it because we don't know these sets quite

498
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well enough?

499
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Because, I mean, Ampoc nor, you know, looks like Deep Space 9, but

500
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just directed a bit differently, every the sets are all quite

501
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familiar, I think.

502
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I mean, do you know what this reminded me of?

503
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All of these early scenes.

504
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:34.500
It reminded me of the ship in series 5 of DS9, where there's the

505
00:23:34.500 --> 00:23:37.079
upside down Jem Hadar ship on the planet.

506
00:23:37.140 --> 00:23:38.519
So they've turned the sets upside down.

507
00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:41.880
Turn the lights down, filled it full of dry ice and lots of

508
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.180
spotlights, and it's all shot on an angle.

509
00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:46.380
Right.

510
00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:48.359
And yeah, that's what this reminds me.

511
00:23:48.420 --> 00:23:51.000
Well, that's what we're doing here, you know, and there's

512
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.500
bloodstained hands.

513
00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:54.720
These are familiar atrocious, like it works, you know?

514
00:23:54.779 --> 00:23:55.859
It creates an atmosphere.

515
00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:01.680
But really, what we're doing is we are biding time before we get

516
00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:02.519
to the monsters.

517
00:24:02.579 --> 00:24:04.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

518
00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:08.579
Do we know it's, no, we don't know it's the corn yet, do we?

519
00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:09.359
It takes a long time.

520
00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:10.140
No, not at all.

521
00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:11.339
I think we...

522
00:24:11.819 --> 00:24:15.660
Well, I mean, the last time in episode 4 where we saw.

523
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:20.400
Do you remember we saw just, it's what's really particularly gross

524
00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:25.259
about the blood is the signs of people like being dragged through

525
00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:25.559
it?

526
00:24:25.619 --> 00:24:26.700
Do you know what I mean?

527
00:24:26.819 --> 00:24:28.920
There's just heaps of blood and some people have been dragged

528
00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:32.400
through it or have like are dragging themselves through it.

529
00:24:32.460 --> 00:24:36.660
And that's really horrifying in Memento Mori in the middle of that

530
00:24:36.660 --> 00:24:38.339
thing, which we saw in the opening.

531
00:24:38.819 --> 00:24:40.019
They do lean into a cliche.

532
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:42.420
Well, there's lots of cliches in this, but they do lean into a one

533
00:24:42.420 --> 00:24:45.599
cliche where it's like, you know, the fella has just been promoted

534
00:24:45.660 --> 00:24:47.339
so proud, you know, all of this.

535
00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:49.799
And, you know, immediately like, yeah, red shirt.

536
00:24:49.859 --> 00:24:50.279
He's dead.

537
00:24:50.339 --> 00:24:54.420
And then when he gets pulled along the corridor, he's going, ah

538
00:24:54.420 --> 00:24:57.059
you know, and they're eating him as they go.

539
00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:59.579
Yeah, yeah. as well.

540
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:00.839
Do you know what I mean?

541
00:25:00.900 --> 00:25:03.720
Like the other, the young woman who gets...

542
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:05.220
Oh, that bloody gets promoted.

543
00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:07.380
Yeah, yeah, it's great.

544
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:10.799
There's a brain or like bits of people that you can't see?

545
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:13.140
and like that shot with...

546
00:25:13.140 --> 00:25:14.579
Oh, stopping it that closely, all right?

547
00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:15.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

548
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:18.420
Oh, so what is it?

549
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:21.420
There's Lieutenant Duke, who's just been promoted, and we have

550
00:25:21.420 --> 00:25:24.660
that gag, I think, where Spock accidentally calls him Ensign, and

551
00:25:24.660 --> 00:25:27.000
they say that he owes him a drink.

552
00:25:27.059 --> 00:25:29.940
And that's another thing that they do quite well on this show is

553
00:25:29.940 --> 00:25:31.680
have some kind of culture like that.

554
00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:34.680
He's not going to get to buy him that drink.

555
00:25:34.740 --> 00:25:38.279
No, and then there's Cadet Chia, who is also killed.

556
00:25:38.339 --> 00:25:42.000
And I think having them killed, like I think we need people to be

557
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.720
killed for the horror to work, um, and they need to be people that

558
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:50.400
we know, but I think killing those 2 puts us off our guard and we

559
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:52.380
may not expect anyone else to die.

560
00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:55.680
Well, I don't think we expect any of the regulars to die, and

561
00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:56.940
that's why this really lands.

562
00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:58.140
Yeah, yeah.

563
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:02.700
Just saying, so when we do this in 90s trek, go around these dogs

564
00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:04.859
sets with all the dry ice and damaged ships.

565
00:26:04.980 --> 00:26:09.539
And you do often see the screens just, you know, with funny

566
00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:11.640
patterns on them to show that they're not working properly.

567
00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:15.660
What you had there was that and it was all cracked to suggest that

568
00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:18.299
something truly violent has happened.

569
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:21.119
It's just that strange above, isn't it?

570
00:26:21.180 --> 00:26:22.140
Exactly.

571
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:22.980
Exactly.

572
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:28.259
I also think too, like the spaces are bigger and like here

573
00:26:28.259 --> 00:26:29.880
everything's on an angle.

574
00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:33.359
And so like part of the problem is those sets.

575
00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:38.759
Like the sets in Scorpion, part one, were so kind of like the Borg

576
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:40.680
cube we'd done so many times.

577
00:26:40.740 --> 00:26:43.259
It was all really quite kind of well lit.

578
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:45.359
We knew exactly where we were.

579
00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:48.599
Here we've got lots of close-ups and stuff and we never get a full

580
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:50.099
sense of where we are.

581
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:52.859
And then all these Dutch angles and stuff.

582
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:55.680
I'd like to set you an assignment, please, between this week and

583
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:59.039
next week to go and watch the ship at some point in the next week

584
00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:00.779
just as a point of comparison to see.

585
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:01.440
Yeah.

586
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:02.880
Because they can do it.

587
00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:04.619
They just choose not to, you know.

588
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:07.859
And besides, Voyager was never going to smash one of the screens

589
00:27:07.859 --> 00:27:09.119
I'd have to replace it, wouldn't they?

590
00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:09.900
Yeah exactly.

591
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:17.640
But like, I mean, I could see if you weren't a big horror fan that

592
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:18.420
this might...

593
00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:20.039
This body's been badly mangled.

594
00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:21.000
You never want to hear that.

595
00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:23.880
This might bore you a little if you weren't a horror fan.

596
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:29.640
Well, I'm not a horror fan, but for me, oh, look, there's like, is

597
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:33.119
his legs been ripped off or something and there's just a big pile

598
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:34.200
bottle of blood?

599
00:27:34.259 --> 00:27:35.819
It's super gross.

600
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.079
I'm not a big horror fan, but alien and aliens are my era.

601
00:27:40.140 --> 00:27:40.859
Do you know what I mean?

602
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.019
Like alien came out when I was in primary school.

603
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:45.240
Aliens came out when I was in high school.

604
00:27:45.299 --> 00:27:48.660
Was you not expecting to see the big Queen Gorn come along at the

605
00:27:48.660 --> 00:27:48.960
end?

606
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.299
Maybe in season three.

607
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.220
Get away from her, you bitch.

608
00:27:55.619 --> 00:28:01.019
Oh, this green alien, sorry, blue alien is just fabulous.

609
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.380
The design of his head that sort of opens and closed.

610
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:07.259
Yeah, yeah, he's really great, isn't he?

611
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:12.059
Like, it's like the cockroach wings or something, like a beetle's

612
00:28:12.059 --> 00:28:12.299
wings.

613
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:14.160
Imagine if the Beaumont looked like that.

614
00:28:14.220 --> 00:28:16.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

615
00:28:16.619 --> 00:28:22.920
So we can only afford one of these, and it's mostly a, uh, what

616
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:24.000
it's a puppet, isn't it?

617
00:28:24.059 --> 00:28:27.180
It's just mostly animatronics.

618
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:31.440
You only need one, though, for, to, to burst out of him.

619
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:38.400
But it is moving away from what 90s Star Trek does with aliens

620
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:40.680
because we can afford to do more interesting things.

621
00:28:40.740 --> 00:28:42.359
It's like a Star Wars alien to me.

622
00:28:42.420 --> 00:28:45.000
It does, exactly. more money.

623
00:28:45.059 --> 00:28:47.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

624
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:50.039
And just something a bit less kind of straightforwardly human.

625
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.380
It's a very expressive mask though.

626
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:53.880
It is very expressive.

627
00:28:54.299 --> 00:29:00.240
You can see him being distressed as the eggs kind of hatch or

628
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:00.779
whatever happens.

629
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.480
And you love the line where like, oh, it goes, you know, your

630
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:04.319
linguistics.

631
00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:05.279
What's he saying?

632
00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:07.079
She goes, linguistics don't work like that.

633
00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:13.259
But again, I think, again, what she decides to do is brilliant.

634
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:15.539
She goes, there were 2 life signs.

635
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.559
He's defending someone. we should put down our weapons Do you know

636
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:19.920
what I mean?

637
00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:21.420
Like as an anthropologist.

638
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:24.720
Yeah, she understands how people behave.

639
00:29:24.779 --> 00:29:28.140
Yes, clearly he's clearly not attacking them.

640
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:30.539
He's clearly holding back and defending somebody.

641
00:29:30.779 --> 00:29:34.140
But again, we get to see the characters be clever.

642
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:35.400
That shot there.

643
00:29:35.460 --> 00:29:38.220
I don't know why that really stood out to me of the corridor

644
00:29:38.220 --> 00:29:40.200
lighting up as the camera pans across.

645
00:29:40.259 --> 00:29:42.299
They don't have to do that, you know.

646
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:44.039
No, it's really good.

647
00:29:44.099 --> 00:29:48.180
And like just the general blueness of the lighting and stuff makes

648
00:29:48.180 --> 00:29:50.039
these look different from the enterprises.

649
00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:53.579
There's this awkward post-kiss conversation between Spock and

650
00:29:53.579 --> 00:29:54.420
Nurse Chapel.

651
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:58.079
She's so beautiful, isn't she?

652
00:29:58.140 --> 00:29:59.579
She is really great.

653
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:01.500
In fact, I really want them to get together.

654
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:02.700
Screw continuity.

655
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:09.299
Well, we do actually kind of resolve that a little bit in those

656
00:30:09.299 --> 00:30:13.559
old scientists, don't we, at the end of series 2 of Strange New

657
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:15.180
Worlds where Boimler comes on board.

658
00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:20.759
Um, and this is important because this continues to play out.

659
00:30:20.819 --> 00:30:26.880
What Spock does here is he lets his rage go, and it doesn't go

660
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:31.140
back, and that has implications for the next season, for much of

661
00:30:31.140 --> 00:30:31.920
the next season.

662
00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:33.359
All of this.

663
00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:34.559
I'm going to miss you, Hammer.

664
00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:35.279
Oh, yeah, all right.

665
00:30:35.339 --> 00:30:37.980
Stop signposting it. he's going to die, all right?

666
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:39.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

667
00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:42.420
This is good though, isn't it?

668
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.579
Like this is, yeah, like this is probably good.

669
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:46.200
It does that thing.

670
00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:49.140
I don't usually like in television shows.

671
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.980
It's a load of nice people and normally that's spectacularly

672
00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:56.099
boring, but they're just really engaging.

673
00:30:56.220 --> 00:30:57.359
I think it's because they're funny.

674
00:30:57.420 --> 00:30:59.220
I think that's it.

675
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:04.019
I also think the idea that conflict between the characters not

676
00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:06.779
having conflict between the regular characters is boring.

677
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:10.619
That was not the thing about Star Trek, the Next Generation that

678
00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:11.099
was boring.

679
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.740
It wasn't...

680
00:31:13.740 --> 00:31:15.119
Oh, the less doing this podcast.

681
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:20.039
When they had conflict between the characters, on there were

682
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.619
occasions when they had conflict between the characters, guess

683
00:31:22.619 --> 00:31:23.099
what?

684
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:24.720
It wasn't very interesting.

685
00:31:24.779 --> 00:31:27.240
And so that's not the problem.

686
00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:30.900
And it's the same with Discovery, where everyone on Discovery

687
00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:33.180
loves one another and is so supportive.

688
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.240
That's not boring either, I think.

689
00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:39.960
Although, to their credit, and you know I'm going to do this.

690
00:31:40.019 --> 00:31:43.799
That's why they then created a 90s trek show withinbuilt conflict

691
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:47.039
between the characters, which just automatically made it more

692
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:49.140
interesting because they were like, well, we can't do that again.

693
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:50.400
How boring was that?

694
00:31:50.460 --> 00:31:51.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

695
00:31:52.019 --> 00:31:54.240
But they could have just written better.

696
00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:00.539
So that's the hugely important scene there between him and

697
00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:01.140
O'Hora.

698
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:02.039
I can't believe it.

699
00:32:02.099 --> 00:32:04.980
Sorry to interrupt you, but they're actually putting that man's

700
00:32:04.980 --> 00:32:06.599
subtitles on the screen there.

701
00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:07.859
His alien language.

702
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.440
Just in case you want to say that language.

703
00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:11.880
It's there on the screen, all right?

704
00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:16.440
Yeah, they don't just put it in brackets and say unintelligible

705
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:17.160
alien language.

706
00:32:17.220 --> 00:32:20.220
I think I may have switched off a little bit here, but why is this

707
00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:21.779
blue man protecting this little girl?

708
00:32:22.259 --> 00:32:24.299
Because he's a nice guy.

709
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:25.259
Oh, okay.

710
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:26.579
Are they both from the ship, yeah?

711
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:28.559
Yeah, yeah.

712
00:32:28.619 --> 00:32:35.160
So it says, so we hear a log by the captain of the ship, um

713
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:39.839
Captain Gavin, and she says that they...

714
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:41.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

715
00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:43.079
That's her last name.

716
00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:47.519
She says that they picked up the human and the, and the, and

717
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:53.279
Buckley, and that they are, and an Orion, and they escape from a

718
00:32:53.279 --> 00:33:00.660
gone breeding planet, and the Orion hatched the gone, which

719
00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:01.859
attacked and killed everyone.

720
00:33:02.579 --> 00:33:06.059
So that's why you're like this happened. to explain all that to

721
00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:06.180
me.

722
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:06.660
Yeah.

723
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:10.259
So that was all just dealt within in like they they listened to

724
00:33:10.259 --> 00:33:10.500
her.

725
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.880
They listen to her. very dirty looking urchin, isn't she, that

726
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:15.240
little girl?

727
00:33:15.299 --> 00:33:17.460
Well, she's new, essentially, isn't she?

728
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:18.240
Like, that's what that is.

729
00:33:18.299 --> 00:33:22.079
We have done this quite a few times on Star Trek because we, you

730
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.019
know, the, the, the one child that's left on the ship when

731
00:33:25.019 --> 00:33:27.299
something horrible has happened, the bonding.

732
00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:28.380
Are you remembering aliens?

733
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.059
That the little girl in aliens?

734
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:30.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

735
00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:32.460
Yeah, the cliches.

736
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:33.299
Yeah, yeah.

737
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:34.140
But doing them well.

738
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:39.180
And I think it gives, it gives Arne something to do because I

739
00:33:39.180 --> 00:33:42.539
think there's a surprising thing that happens at the end of this

740
00:33:42.539 --> 00:33:49.859
episode, and that is that Laan leaves, and I think that we're, it's

741
00:33:49.859 --> 00:33:52.859
made clear to us that she's probably not leaving permanently.

742
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:59.339
But for this to land properly, it has to have consequences and it

743
00:33:59.339 --> 00:33:59.579
does.

744
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:04.319
The biggest surprise for me in series one of Strange New Worlds

745
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.920
was Le On, because when we watched the 1st episode and I said, I'm

746
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:09.420
not at all convinced about this character.

747
00:34:09.420 --> 00:34:11.460
She had that great hair.

748
00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:14.579
By the end of the season, she beat the shit out of it.

749
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:18.840
They had just revealed all these layers and then did that fabulous

750
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:22.019
episode with her in the princess dress where she had got to have a

751
00:34:22.019 --> 00:34:22.860
lot of fun as well.

752
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:24.360
And by the end of the season.

753
00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:27.420
Yeah, by the end of this episode, I was going, no, you're like the

754
00:34:27.420 --> 00:34:28.500
best character on the show.

755
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:32.039
And actually, a lot of the tension does come from her because

756
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:36.360
she's got this bad attitude because of her terrible pass and how

757
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:39.960
they sort of smooth out her rough edges as the season goes along.

758
00:34:40.019 --> 00:34:41.820
That's the most interesting story, I think.

759
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:43.199
Characters.

760
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:47.219
And did you notice the thing earlier where she starts badgering

761
00:34:47.219 --> 00:34:52.920
Ariana and Mbanga says, can you stop harassing my daughter?

762
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:54.599
And then he goes, my patient.

763
00:34:54.659 --> 00:34:59.099
And like because last week was when his daughter left.

764
00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:02.699
I did notice that. and it's just a whisper of a link between me

765
00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:03.119
and that.

766
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:05.400
But it's enough to acknowledge.

767
00:35:05.460 --> 00:35:06.599
No, we're not forgetting that happened.

768
00:35:06.659 --> 00:35:07.800
The thing happened.

769
00:35:07.860 --> 00:35:09.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

770
00:35:09.059 --> 00:35:11.880
We're still walking around dark, dark corridors now.

771
00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:17.639
Yeah, but beautiful Ethan Peck is walking around. more close-ups.

772
00:35:18.059 --> 00:35:21.300
See that blood with all the handprints in it?

773
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.159
Like, that's the worst thing about it.

774
00:35:23.219 --> 00:35:25.139
Like, it's all hand printed.

775
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:26.639
Oh my god.

776
00:35:26.699 --> 00:35:27.480
Oh, look.

777
00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:30.300
Whatever it is that's gone into that ventilation ducting there.

778
00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:33.000
As always, in the traditional fashion.

779
00:35:33.059 --> 00:35:35.699
They must have been in the writer's room, going, come on, give me

780
00:35:35.699 --> 00:35:37.380
more cliches. all in.

781
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:38.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

782
00:35:38.579 --> 00:35:39.179
Yeah.

783
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:40.800
Oh, no, Lieutenant Duke.

784
00:35:40.860 --> 00:35:41.519
Oh, dear.

785
00:35:44.460 --> 00:35:47.760
I don't think there's a character I don't like on this show you

786
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:48.000
know.

787
00:35:48.059 --> 00:35:49.440
No, no.

788
00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:52.500
I think they're all really just well drawn and really likeable.

789
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.440
I mean, there's easily one character on all the others where I'm

790
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:56.880
like, no, I can take a lead.

791
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.099
Oh God, here we go.

792
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:00.119
Is this a bit worrying?

793
00:36:00.179 --> 00:36:01.619
Blue man bursts.

794
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:03.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

795
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:06.179
It takes a little while, but yes, yeah.

796
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:10.980
And so this is Cadet Shea, who, of course, he lifts up his sleeve

797
00:36:10.980 --> 00:36:13.380
and that's all this gun underneath.

798
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.719
So immediately we know something terrible is going to happen to

799
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:16.260
his man.

800
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:19.619
Yeah, and she like she goes and looks at his neck as well.

801
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:22.019
And it looks like that's just a puppet.

802
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:22.860
That's rubber.

803
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:23.820
Do you know what I mean?

804
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:25.079
But look how good it looks.

805
00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:27.659
The sound effects of his breathing.

806
00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:29.880
Like, oh, it's horrible.

807
00:36:29.940 --> 00:36:32.699
And you can tell.

808
00:36:32.699 --> 00:36:35.880
I knew at this point we're going to do the aliens thing.

809
00:36:35.940 --> 00:36:38.460
Because he's clearly having a moment there.

810
00:36:38.940 --> 00:36:41.219
So you're just sort of waiting.

811
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.639
The suspense is that this takes about a minute and a half to

812
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:44.940
happen.

813
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:46.980
Yeah, yeah.

814
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:49.860
But is she, the little girl goes away?

815
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:55.139
Um, but look at what happens to Cadet Shea, who was at the party

816
00:36:55.139 --> 00:36:57.059
they were farewelling her as well.

817
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:01.139
Um, Oh yeah, he looks so distressing.

818
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:03.420
When you see him in profile as well.

819
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.179
Yeah, I mean, look at that makeup.

820
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:06.960
You're right.

821
00:37:07.019 --> 00:37:08.340
There's motion to it.

822
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:09.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

823
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:11.400
It's a proper thing.

824
00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:12.659
This little girl's pretty good too.

825
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:13.920
Yeah, I have to say.

826
00:37:13.980 --> 00:37:18.480
We don't have a lot of luck with kids in Star Trek, but... often

827
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:18.840
bad.

828
00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:20.820
Yeah, it's in profile.

829
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:22.320
Look at that profile shop.

830
00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:24.900
It's that weird thing about he looks like he's going to throw up.

831
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:28.380
He's like, he's doing that heavy breathing thing you do just

832
00:37:28.380 --> 00:37:29.400
before you're born.

833
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:33.659
Oh, this, and she's covering her mouth because she's going to

834
00:37:33.659 --> 00:37:34.079
scream.

835
00:37:34.139 --> 00:37:39.360
Oh, and it builds and it builds and the music comes up. going

836
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:39.599
down.

837
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:41.639
He touches...

838
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:42.840
Amulet.

839
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.500
And that is so gross.

840
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:49.980
Like just some liquid falls on the ground and that's what she

841
00:37:49.980 --> 00:37:50.460
sees.

842
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:53.340
And then she looks up and sees it happening.

843
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.940
And look at what look at what Nurse Chapel.

844
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:57.599
Oh my god.

845
00:37:57.659 --> 00:37:58.440
Oh.

846
00:38:00.420 --> 00:38:01.199
Isn't it great?

847
00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:05.280
And look at what she's in a pool of blood and she's twitching.

848
00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:06.599
The thing is, right?

849
00:38:06.659 --> 00:38:09.300
Oh my god, that 2 bursting out of him.

850
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.280
And they attack one another.

851
00:38:11.340 --> 00:38:13.139
What is the other one?

852
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:14.639
Oh, my God.

853
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.679
He comes out with sort of a shower of blood.

854
00:38:16.739 --> 00:38:17.639
That's what I'm thinking.

855
00:38:18.179 --> 00:38:19.920
Oh, what's great.

856
00:38:19.980 --> 00:38:21.059
It's the gore Muppets.

857
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:22.739
If you pause it, they're quite amusing.

858
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.360
They're quite funny.

859
00:38:24.420 --> 00:38:29.219
But because it's so quick and the movement is so realistic. is

860
00:38:29.219 --> 00:38:29.699
really good.

861
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:31.260
The movement's really, really good.

862
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:33.780
And you mix that with the visceral horror of all that blood.

863
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:35.880
It really just has the impact.

864
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:36.780
It was great.

865
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:37.800
Oh, here she goes.

866
00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:40.559
Yeah, yeah, she's brilliant actress.

867
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:41.340
Look at her.

868
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:42.059
Yeah.

869
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:45.059
So now everything's ramped up now.

870
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:46.619
Now we know what the danger is.

871
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:48.900
And now they've escaped.

872
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:50.519
Now we know there are monsters on board.

873
00:38:50.579 --> 00:38:53.699
There's a potential that people could start being eaten.

874
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:57.780
That's gonna sharpen your senses, isn't it?

875
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.599
You know, oh, look at that Jeffreys tube.

876
00:39:00.659 --> 00:39:02.460
It just looks like the ones in original Star Trek.

877
00:39:03.059 --> 00:39:06.659
Um, Yeah, yeah.

878
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:10.380
So he nearly, he fortunately didn't lose an arm, which is nice.

879
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:12.960
We just discovered POV shots.

880
00:39:13.019 --> 00:39:13.980
Yep.

881
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.739
He nipples on his neck.

882
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:19.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

883
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:20.340
And it just sort of pulls him.

884
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:23.639
And now because Spock is dragging him, like it's actually what

885
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:27.300
happens to him, that makes Spock angry, and that's how he gets

886
00:39:27.300 --> 00:39:30.599
himself to be angry later when he's trying to kind of confront the

887
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:31.320
Gorn.

888
00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:34.800
It's not someone he loves or anything, it's just a crew member.

889
00:39:34.860 --> 00:39:38.460
It is a fine directorial choice.

890
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:43.440
The POV of the alien dragging the man away down the corridor and

891
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.139
you can see Spock on that getting further and further away as he

892
00:39:46.139 --> 00:39:46.440
goes.

893
00:39:46.500 --> 00:39:47.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

894
00:39:47.099 --> 00:39:48.900
Man, the execution.

895
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.280
So great.

896
00:39:50.340 --> 00:39:53.400
This is why we love doing coats, but we can say nice things about

897
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:53.820
the direction.

898
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:54.780
Yeah, yeah.

899
00:39:54.780 --> 00:39:56.219
Look at the...

900
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.579
I love the force fields in this iteration of trek as well.

901
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.639
Wait, watch her. watch her now Yeah, yeah.

902
00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:04.980
This was really striking.

903
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:09.239
Look at that shot, though, where it's just her foot touching the

904
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.539
ground and imagine that in 90s track.

905
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.860
Even a shot as simple as that because we just do mid-shots all the

906
00:40:16.860 --> 00:40:19.559
time and we only ever do close-ups of people's faces.

907
00:40:19.619 --> 00:40:21.420
Like we never tell the story like that.

908
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.719
And the lights are sort of flickering on and off as well.

909
00:40:24.780 --> 00:40:28.679
So there's just a, A sense of weirdness about it all.

910
00:40:28.739 --> 00:40:29.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

911
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.760
But you're just waiting for them to jump out on her and she looks

912
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:33.719
so tense.

913
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:36.239
She's real good, isn't she?

914
00:40:36.300 --> 00:40:39.900
Look, I was hugging my cushions at this point going, 0 my God.

915
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:42.300
Those jackals don't go out there, please.

916
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:47.159
And then that bloody lawn comes and scares the life out of her

917
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:47.579
doesn't she?

918
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:48.960
Yeah, yeah.

919
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.559
You bitch, I would have said.

920
00:40:53.940 --> 00:40:55.679
Oh no.

921
00:40:55.739 --> 00:40:57.059
Oh wow.

922
00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:58.440
Yeah.

923
00:40:58.500 --> 00:40:59.699
Oh, there she is.

924
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:00.239
There we go.

925
00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:03.059
I feel a bit safer, though, because Lou Aunt Leah.

926
00:41:03.059 --> 00:41:05.219
Yeah, oh, God, she's got a bit of a gun, didn't she?

927
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.199
Look at the blood up the walls.

928
00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:10.739
Oh, my God.

929
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:15.119
Like, do they have to worry about how graphic this is?

930
00:41:15.179 --> 00:41:17.760
No, apparently not.

931
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:22.139
Well, no, because it's streaming, and they were doing it, remember

932
00:41:22.139 --> 00:41:26.699
in, um, in Discovery series one.

933
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:29.699
And they're starting to swear a little bit more in Star Trek

934
00:41:29.699 --> 00:41:30.780
generally, and I like that.

935
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.119
I don't think they're doing it much on this show.

936
00:41:33.179 --> 00:41:36.780
They are doing it a little bit more on the other shows, which I

937
00:41:36.780 --> 00:41:37.320
kind of like.

938
00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:38.340
Yeah, weak enough.

939
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:40.199
I don't like the swearing, but I love the bloods.

940
00:41:40.260 --> 00:41:43.679
Well, see, I like the swearing because it makes them less like

941
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:44.460
space people.

942
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:46.320
That's the that's the thing.

943
00:41:46.380 --> 00:41:48.360
It makes them more like normal people.

944
00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:51.239
Oh, I just can't see 90 straight space people.

945
00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:52.860
Oh, it's not East Strex episodes, though.

946
00:41:52.860 --> 00:41:53.699
I like space people.

947
00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:56.280
Yeah, I know, I know, I do too.

948
00:41:56.340 --> 00:42:01.380
But it's kind of very kind of network TV sanitised space people.

949
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:03.420
Fuck you, Jean-Luc.

950
00:42:04.860 --> 00:42:08.340
Well, he got to say it in Picard 23.

951
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.480
Okay, come on, we're going off to the gall now.

952
00:42:12.539 --> 00:42:15.780
No, we're looking for the good looking for Ariana.

953
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:18.900
I've taken that cumbersome costume from the original Star Trek

954
00:42:18.900 --> 00:42:19.199
episode.

955
00:42:19.260 --> 00:42:22.139
I'm making something so fucking chilling out of it.

956
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:23.340
Yeah, it's pretty great.

957
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:28.079
And they do, as we said, go partly there in enterprise. know what

958
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:28.800
this is, don't you?

959
00:42:28.860 --> 00:42:31.199
This is revisionist continuity.

960
00:42:31.260 --> 00:42:36.179
This is nostalgia, which I do think Kurtzman does a lot, but done

961
00:42:36.179 --> 00:42:37.199
brilliantly.

962
00:42:37.260 --> 00:42:38.519
Yeah, yeah.

963
00:42:38.579 --> 00:42:40.380
I mean, this is nothing like Arena.

964
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:42.360
This is not much like the Gordon arena at all.

965
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:49.019
No, in fact, there aren't really many horror original series

966
00:42:49.019 --> 00:42:49.860
episodes, is there?

967
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.199
Yeah, I mean, it's too colourful for that.

968
00:42:52.260 --> 00:42:55.440
Yeah, I think there are things that are conceptually a bit

969
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:58.619
horrifying and then there's sort of campy monsters and stuff as

970
00:42:58.619 --> 00:42:58.860
well.

971
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:00.239
We love that stuff too.

972
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:05.460
In fact, do you know what?

973
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:06.659
Given it is his last episode.

974
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.239
Well, Hemmer's been in... 34 scenes?

975
00:43:09.300 --> 00:43:10.019
Maybe?

976
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:11.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

977
00:43:11.820 --> 00:43:15.179
He's not sort of, but he was in that important scene with Ahura.

978
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:19.019
My point is, if this was 90 Strek, he'd be the highlight of the

979
00:43:19.019 --> 00:43:22.619
episode and we'd be psyched because in the fact he's dying all the

980
00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:23.219
way through, yeah.

981
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:24.119
Yeah.

982
00:43:24.179 --> 00:43:28.920
So the Ahura Arc is important, but there is also La Arnz Arc and

983
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:30.539
there's also Spock's Arc here.

984
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:33.840
I think the Ahura one, which is what we top and tail the episode

985
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:35.760
with, that's super important.

986
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.940
And Hammer has a massive role to play in that.

987
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.420
Um, So this, do you know what I mean?

988
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:44.880
Like, and this was my Benga talking to her.

989
00:43:44.940 --> 00:43:49.800
She is now talking to the little girl who she was kind of, you

990
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:55.320
know, annoyed with before, um, and seeing herself in her, you know

991
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.800
and wanting to help, and that's healing for her as well.

992
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:00.480
I already turned lower the tone.

993
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:02.219
Do you know that little girl reminds me of?

994
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.619
Remember the X-Files episode, The Jersey Devil?

995
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:08.639
And at the end, the Jersey Devil's kids just sort of wearing a

996
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:10.860
terribly dirty wig comes out of the hole.

997
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:12.420
She looks a bit like that, isn't she?

998
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:15.239
Well, she's having a terrible time, you know, she's not going to

999
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:15.719
look her best.

1000
00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:16.860
No.

1001
00:44:18.059 --> 00:44:20.099
What the hell is that?

1002
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:22.920
It's ruddy great monsters, and they're coming for you.

1003
00:44:23.460 --> 00:44:25.619
I smell human blood.

1004
00:44:25.739 --> 00:44:29.400
That's a that's a rather alarming thing for him to say.

1005
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:33.539
But again, sorry, sorry to keep coming back to this.

1006
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:35.460
Again, but Pike really isn't.

1007
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:38.880
He isn't taking control of this, is he?

1008
00:44:38.940 --> 00:44:40.559
Everyone's doing their beer.

1009
00:44:40.980 --> 00:44:44.639
Yeah, we don't have comms for a lot of it.

1010
00:44:44.699 --> 00:44:48.179
You know, we don't have comms for a lot of it, and we've only just

1011
00:44:48.179 --> 00:44:49.260
got comms back.

1012
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:52.920
I don't know why, because I don't know if I would excuse it on any

1013
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:53.519
other show.

1014
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:54.780
But I like it.

1015
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:57.239
I like how he just lets everybody do their thing.

1016
00:44:57.420 --> 00:44:59.219
Yeah, yeah.

1017
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:00.659
Yeah.

1018
00:45:01.139 --> 00:45:06.480
So a comms are now online, and so now he starts to speak to

1019
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:08.880
everyone, but he hasn't been able to do that before.

1020
00:45:08.940 --> 00:45:13.260
And so now he's able to warn everyone because each of them, these

1021
00:45:13.260 --> 00:45:16.619
guys are only just Ahura and Hemma haven't even really discovered

1022
00:45:16.619 --> 00:45:19.860
that the Gorn are about, except they've started to kind of detect

1023
00:45:19.860 --> 00:45:20.760
it slightly.

1024
00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:22.559
Oh, now they're hearing properly.

1025
00:45:22.619 --> 00:45:24.900
It's like a, I always say with management, at the best of what

1026
00:45:24.900 --> 00:45:27.420
managing, is not something that stamps all over people and makes

1027
00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:31.619
themselves feel important all the time. you extract everybody's

1028
00:45:31.619 --> 00:45:33.659
strengths, you know, and allow them to play their best game.

1029
00:45:33.780 --> 00:45:35.159
That's what he does.

1030
00:45:35.219 --> 00:45:36.599
Oh, my God.

1031
00:45:36.659 --> 00:45:38.039
So good.

1032
00:45:38.099 --> 00:45:40.260
Oh, and it just...

1033
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:42.480
Yeah, yeah.

1034
00:45:42.780 --> 00:45:44.760
Now, do we kill it?

1035
00:45:44.820 --> 00:45:46.139
No, we don't need escapes.

1036
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:47.460
It looks so good.

1037
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:52.260
And look, it's more terrifying than that monster is Laan with a

1038
00:45:52.260 --> 00:45:54.059
big gun baring her teeth.

1039
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.199
If that was a scene in a movie. wouldn't be surprised.

1040
00:45:58.260 --> 00:45:59.820
CGI was so great.

1041
00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:01.019
It was really good.

1042
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:01.920
Wasn't it?

1043
00:46:01.980 --> 00:46:02.639
It was really good.

1044
00:46:02.699 --> 00:46:04.619
And it's because they got a sort of like a lizard look.

1045
00:46:04.739 --> 00:46:06.599
It doesn't look too ridiculous, you know?

1046
00:46:06.659 --> 00:46:08.099
No, that's right.

1047
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:09.000
That's right.

1048
00:46:09.059 --> 00:46:11.340
And it is a little bit based on the enterprise version.

1049
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:14.639
It has got fucking enormous incisors that are going to tear you

1050
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:15.000
apart.

1051
00:46:15.059 --> 00:46:16.079
Yeah.

1052
00:46:16.139 --> 00:46:16.619
Yeah.

1053
00:46:18.420 --> 00:46:21.900
This fellow, this fellow Kirk with the moustache.

1054
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:24.480
Yeah, I don't really know too much about him.

1055
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:31.380
So he is he's obviously in episode two, which we've watched, and

1056
00:46:31.380 --> 00:46:36.659
we do see him in season 2 with James T. Kirk, who obviously

1057
00:46:36.659 --> 00:46:39.840
becomes a semi-regular in series two.

1058
00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:41.760
So he's his brother.

1059
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:49.199
And there is an episode of original trek where Kirk finds him dead

1060
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:54.780
finds Sam dead. and turns the body over and it's Shatner with a

1061
00:46:54.780 --> 00:46:55.199
moustache.

1062
00:46:57.539 --> 00:47:00.420
Who's playing coach bed in series too?

1063
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.519
I can't remember his name.

1064
00:47:02.579 --> 00:47:05.159
He does turn up in episode 10.

1065
00:47:05.460 --> 00:47:08.340
It took me, he turns up next episode to this.

1066
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.760
It took me a little while to warm to him, but he has a great

1067
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:16.679
episode with Laan in series 2, and I really like him now.

1068
00:47:16.739 --> 00:47:19.320
But a week off coming up, maybe I should binge that whole season.

1069
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:21.300
It's really great.

1070
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:22.800
I haven't seen the musical yet.

1071
00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:24.539
Oh my goodness.

1072
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:33.059
Bruce Horak does turn up for the musical, playing a Klingon, who's

1073
00:47:33.059 --> 00:47:37.199
on another ship, who is also affected by the musical.

1074
00:47:37.260 --> 00:47:40.380
I did see the cliff of the Klingons singing the boy band song.

1075
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:41.760
I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1076
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:45.000
So one of them, one of them is Emma.

1077
00:47:45.059 --> 00:47:46.320
Oh dear.

1078
00:47:46.380 --> 00:47:50.280
When they said to go, Star Trek's gone soft and woke.

1079
00:47:50.340 --> 00:47:51.179
I saw that scene.

1080
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:53.039
I was like that's all the evidence they need.

1081
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:59.039
So, I, again, speaking of soft and woke, here is where they say

1082
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:03.360
the advantage they have over the gaun is that the gauner fighting

1083
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:08.400
to the death to find out who the alpha is going to be, whereas we

1084
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:09.480
can work together.

1085
00:48:09.539 --> 00:48:14.460
And, you know, that's entirely, you know, consistent with the

1086
00:48:14.460 --> 00:48:15.599
theme of the episode.

1087
00:48:15.659 --> 00:48:18.840
Are we, is it suggesting then that the people on this ship that

1088
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.900
were all devoured did not work together, and that's why the gore

1089
00:48:21.900 --> 00:48:25.920
empowered them. just weren't stars of their own Star Trek shows

1090
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.260
probably the problem. they weren't these characters.

1091
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:29.699
Yeah, exactly right.

1092
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:30.360
Yeah.

1093
00:48:30.420 --> 00:48:32.820
Their names aren't in the opening credits.

1094
00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:37.980
But like, you remember, I said you, I will stop labour in this

1095
00:48:37.980 --> 00:48:38.159
point.

1096
00:48:38.219 --> 00:48:40.199
I said you go and watch the ship.

1097
00:48:40.260 --> 00:48:40.679
Yeah?

1098
00:48:40.739 --> 00:48:41.940
Watch this go in that.

1099
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.119
He's absolutely in command throughout the entire episode.

1100
00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:46.739
He's barking orders at people.

1101
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:48.119
He's telling people off.

1102
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:52.079
That lovely scene there with Captain Pike, where he's saying, what

1103
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:53.340
you do this, you do this, you do this.

1104
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:53.940
You do this.

1105
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.340
There's just no sort of force to him.

1106
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:58.800
I really like it.

1107
00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:02.760
I think Discovery does that too, with Michael and Saru, where you

1108
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:06.719
have captains who are good managers.

1109
00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:11.579
They're not the king of, you know, in a Shakespearean tragedy or

1110
00:49:11.579 --> 00:49:12.239
anything like that.

1111
00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:14.519
They're just people who are good at handling people.

1112
00:49:14.579 --> 00:49:16.860
Big Saru, maybe.

1113
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:18.239
But you know me and Burnham.

1114
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:22.619
Oh, she's, you know, already having great fun in series five.

1115
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:24.179
Well, it's about time.

1116
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:25.559
That's what I was going to say.

1117
00:49:27.300 --> 00:49:29.099
There we go.

1118
00:49:29.219 --> 00:49:31.920
Yeah, and Hammer is a pacifist.

1119
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:33.719
Do the anar pacifist?

1120
00:49:33.780 --> 00:49:34.380
Aina?

1121
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:35.400
I don't even know how to say it.

1122
00:49:35.460 --> 00:49:39.480
They're in an episode of Enterprise, but this isn't the 1st time

1123
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:41.219
where he said he won't kill anyone.

1124
00:49:41.340 --> 00:49:45.179
You remember you said how appalling it was in Skin of Evil, where

1125
00:49:45.179 --> 00:49:48.300
you know, Tashio was talking about Jordan La Forge's site because

1126
00:49:48.300 --> 00:49:52.199
everything about, but Levarber and Ashley is a sighted person.

1127
00:49:52.260 --> 00:49:55.739
They've absolutely corrected that here, haven't they?

1128
00:49:55.800 --> 00:50:00.119
with Emma, by having a blind man playing a blind character.

1129
00:50:00.179 --> 00:50:03.179
And just making you absolutely adore him.

1130
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:06.780
And then when it goes, you're devastated about his loss.

1131
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:09.960
Oh, here's the monster it's chasing Celia.

1132
00:50:10.019 --> 00:50:12.119
We've got a monster chasing Celia quick.

1133
00:50:12.179 --> 00:50:15.780
POV shots make me a little bit hard, Nathan, if I'm honest

1134
00:50:15.780 --> 00:50:18.719
especially when they're doing that sort of radiation filter, you

1135
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:20.219
know, where the person's quiet.

1136
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:21.900
It looks pretty great. doesn't it?

1137
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:22.739
It looks pretty good.

1138
00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:28.139
Oh, she walked straight through a load of dry ice then, but just

1139
00:50:28.139 --> 00:50:28.500
like...

1140
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:29.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1141
00:50:29.340 --> 00:50:33.480
So the dry ice is to cold is cold and the corn can't stand cold.

1142
00:50:33.539 --> 00:50:35.699
I like Sam going, you're good at everything.

1143
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:38.639
The bit where they blast the corn with the dry ice.

1144
00:50:38.699 --> 00:50:39.659
Have I missed it?

1145
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:42.239
No, no, no.

1146
00:50:42.300 --> 00:50:44.699
Oh, no, no, no, that's a pier.

1147
00:50:44.820 --> 00:50:47.039
Where large in the box. and then the gold's on the top.

1148
00:50:47.099 --> 00:50:49.559
Smashing his way in like a madman.

1149
00:50:49.619 --> 00:50:50.820
Yeah, it's terrifying.

1150
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:51.780
Great.

1151
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:57.239
And so this is the spark scene where spot can't get the gone to

1152
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:01.260
react or respond, even though he's got a fuck off giant gun

1153
00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:03.300
because he can't get angry.

1154
00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:08.219
And now he imagines Duke, Lieutenant Duke being dragged away by

1155
00:51:08.219 --> 00:51:12.300
the thing, which we saw earlier, and then he awakens it, but he

1156
00:51:12.300 --> 00:51:13.019
can't put it away.

1157
00:51:13.139 --> 00:51:16.019
And it's so good.

1158
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:17.820
It doesn't like I tried to put it away.

1159
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:19.619
She's like, oh, yeah, yeah.

1160
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:20.820
Yeah.

1161
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:23.159
And we've had that stuff because we had that conversation between

1162
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:28.199
her and and um, between her and Jess earlier, between her and

1163
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:32.400
Christina, um, about Vulcan emotions.

1164
00:51:32.460 --> 00:51:35.579
The one thing we haven't praised in this episode.

1165
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:40.199
The only thing is those gorgeous sound effects for the gall, the

1166
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:44.039
clucking and the chicken, which, you know, you can't see the

1167
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:44.460
gallon.

1168
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:47.099
You could just hear the noise. wonderful.

1169
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:51.480
So Sam, who was being a panicky idiot earlier gets to save Spock

1170
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:56.400
after doing the racist you're a pointy eared computer, which is a

1171
00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:00.719
very kind of, yeah, very appropriate for the period. that's

1172
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:00.840
right.

1173
00:52:02.099 --> 00:52:06.780
That's why he's not bothered when McCoy's stopping.

1174
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:08.460
Yeah, that's right.

1175
00:52:08.579 --> 00:52:10.440
The alpha.

1176
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:12.780
We got to take down the one in charge.

1177
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:14.460
We got to put it down.

1178
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:15.420
We put it down.

1179
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:16.079
We go home.

1180
00:52:16.139 --> 00:52:17.460
Good on you.

1181
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:19.079
But that's she's so great.

1182
00:52:19.139 --> 00:52:22.440
That is not your standard Star Trek ending. kill this thing.

1183
00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:25.679
Normally, it's like, how do we reason with this corn?

1184
00:52:25.739 --> 00:52:26.039
you know?

1185
00:52:26.099 --> 00:52:28.500
Yeah, yeah, maybe that'll come later.

1186
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:32.699
But for now having them be monsters is actually a really good call

1187
00:52:32.699 --> 00:52:35.940
because we can still have federation values, but if they're going

1188
00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:38.880
to eat you and that the only way of surviving is killing them, you

1189
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:39.480
have to do that.

1190
00:52:39.539 --> 00:52:40.980
Do they eat everything?

1191
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:43.500
Have they got any fresh corpses they could possibly use to lure

1192
00:52:43.500 --> 00:52:44.519
them out into the open?

1193
00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:46.320
I don't know.

1194
00:52:46.380 --> 00:52:47.280
I don't know.

1195
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:48.659
There was plenty of body parts outside.

1196
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:50.219
Lieutenant, what's his face?

1197
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:51.360
We found half of his corpse.

1198
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:56.940
Yeah that's right. will dangle him from a Jeffrey Stube and then

1199
00:52:56.940 --> 00:52:57.719
say it on fire.

1200
00:52:57.780 --> 00:53:00.119
Oh, look at Christina Chong.

1201
00:53:00.179 --> 00:53:01.559
Everyone's called Christina.

1202
00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:05.219
It's sequels here. where the gaunt chases her down the corridor

1203
00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:07.019
and starts leaving up the walls.

1204
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:09.119
This is amazing.

1205
00:53:09.539 --> 00:53:15.900
Can you imagine a woman in like the 1st 2 or 3 Star Trek series

1206
00:53:15.900 --> 00:53:16.800
ever doing this?

1207
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:18.840
No, which is so great.

1208
00:53:18.900 --> 00:53:20.280
Maybe Tashyar.

1209
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:21.420
Maybe Tashyar.

1210
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:22.139
No, no.

1211
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:22.860
No, no.

1212
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:26.880
And this is so frightening because the thing is fucking slamming

1213
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:29.039
the glass and the glass is breaking.

1214
00:53:29.099 --> 00:53:31.019
It's not going to keep it out.

1215
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:32.519
Like, it's so good.

1216
00:53:32.579 --> 00:53:34.199
It's so good.

1217
00:53:34.260 --> 00:53:35.820
What's great about the...

1218
00:53:35.820 --> 00:53:38.280
Oh, the dry arse coming down the stage dramatic.

1219
00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:43.019
But like there's been so many sort of slower shots of people

1220
00:53:43.019 --> 00:53:44.340
wandering around corridors.

1221
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.739
What's great about these really exciting business.

1222
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:47.820
The editing goes crazy.

1223
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:49.380
You're inside the box.

1224
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:50.219
You're outside the box.

1225
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:52.739
Your POV showing and it's bang, bang, bang, bang, one after

1226
00:53:52.739 --> 00:53:53.039
another.

1227
00:53:53.099 --> 00:53:55.739
And you're like, oh, look, I can't take in what I'm actually being

1228
00:53:55.739 --> 00:53:56.039
shown.

1229
00:53:56.159 --> 00:54:00.119
It's it really expresses the desperation of the moment.

1230
00:54:00.179 --> 00:54:01.739
It really good, isn't it?

1231
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:04.139
And look at that.

1232
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:05.159
That looks amazing.

1233
00:54:05.219 --> 00:54:07.739
Little frozen, little frozen corn.

1234
00:54:07.860 --> 00:54:09.780
Is it being all gone sickle?

1235
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:15.539
I was actually a bit shocked.

1236
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:19.440
I expected it to shatter where she just loses her shit with it and

1237
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:21.420
smashes it and all this gunk goes everywhere.

1238
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:24.719
It looks a bit like a frozen kermit, doesn't it?

1239
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:29.519
And that's great.

1240
00:54:29.579 --> 00:54:32.519
Give her that moment where she gets to literally bash it to shit

1241
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:33.300
is great.

1242
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:34.260
Yeah.

1243
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.059
And now it's all about hemma.

1244
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:36.719
Yes.

1245
00:54:36.780 --> 00:54:37.800
Yeah.

1246
00:54:37.980 --> 00:54:41.639
I like I said, there's been there's been enough time away from him

1247
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:43.260
for us not to suspect this at all.

1248
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:44.820
No, that's right.

1249
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:45.480
That's right.

1250
00:54:45.539 --> 00:54:48.420
But I think, and, and, you know what it is?

1251
00:54:48.420 --> 00:54:53.280
there, it's that, where she says, she realises 1st and says not

1252
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:53.940
quite.

1253
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:55.440
It's not over.

1254
00:54:55.500 --> 00:54:58.619
And then we cut to him and he says, I'm going to go outside.

1255
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:03.599
You know what it is with Strangely Worlds, is they have learned

1256
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:07.980
the conventions of television, so they know how to subvert it and

1257
00:55:07.980 --> 00:55:08.639
surprises.

1258
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:11.460
And not each track, it's like, no, we're going to do all the

1259
00:55:11.460 --> 00:55:13.139
conventions of television one after another.

1260
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:14.340
That's right.

1261
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:20.159
And all of this will try and do space things to stop it from

1262
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:23.039
happening, and of course we can't do that.

1263
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:27.719
I do need to let everybody know that I have, in fact, been

1264
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:28.980
watching him of suicide.

1265
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:31.619
This entire episode, Nathan's background in the Zoom call.

1266
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:33.300
Yes, yes.

1267
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:35.579
There's a tiny hammer falling out of the hatch there.

1268
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:37.440
Behind me.

1269
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:42.480
The way her reaction is so poignant.

1270
00:55:42.539 --> 00:55:50.820
So what I love, what I love is he tells her, so he says goodbye to

1271
00:55:50.820 --> 00:55:52.920
Spock and we have had him and Spock together as well.

1272
00:55:52.980 --> 00:55:54.780
That went through the well.

1273
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:56.099
Yes, he said my friend.

1274
00:55:56.159 --> 00:56:04.619
And so what he says to Ahura is, you need to love people.

1275
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.519
I want to leave you with one last piece of advice.

1276
00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:09.659
This is so beautiful.

1277
00:56:09.659 --> 00:56:12.900
Because it's happening to her now.

1278
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:17.159
The thing that she fears more than anything else is connecting

1279
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:19.260
with someone and them dying.

1280
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:20.760
Like happened with her parents.

1281
00:56:20.820 --> 00:56:23.400
And he's dying right now.

1282
00:56:23.460 --> 00:56:28.500
And he's telling her that even though this hurts, you have to keep

1283
00:56:28.500 --> 00:56:28.980
doing it.

1284
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:35.340
And so I love how Nurse Chappel just holds her while she's, you

1285
00:56:35.340 --> 00:56:39.000
know, she's doing the usual...

1286
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:40.860
She's making a connection there.

1287
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:41.820
Yeah.

1288
00:56:41.820 --> 00:56:46.679
Well, she has made this connection and it's hurting her right now

1289
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:49.320
but he's saying you have to perceist. you have to keep doing it.

1290
00:56:49.380 --> 00:56:51.900
And look, look.

1291
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:54.059
Oh, beautiful, beautiful Celia.

1292
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:54.719
She's so good.

1293
00:56:54.780 --> 00:56:56.760
She's just all...

1294
00:56:56.820 --> 00:57:00.780
Nestling a really shocking surprise at the end of such a cliche

1295
00:57:00.780 --> 00:57:01.500
episode.

1296
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:03.480
It was such a savage. such a great move.

1297
00:57:03.539 --> 00:57:07.199
Yeah, because you're sort of relaxing into this going, all right

1298
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:08.099
we know how this plays out.

1299
00:57:08.219 --> 00:57:09.840
They're going to find the monsters.

1300
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:12.480
And we've had the bit of relief.

1301
00:57:12.539 --> 00:57:13.800
Like she smashed the monster.

1302
00:57:13.860 --> 00:57:14.280
It's dead.

1303
00:57:14.340 --> 00:57:15.360
It can't hurt us anymore.

1304
00:57:15.420 --> 00:57:20.760
And that, just like Andoria, you know, the joke that was a fun

1305
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:24.119
character bit about what a weirdo he is, and he gets to look out

1306
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:28.619
on what, what looks like his homeworld for the last time in a

1307
00:57:28.619 --> 00:57:31.019
incredible special effect.

1308
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:32.579
He just disappears.

1309
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:33.480
There he goes.

1310
00:57:33.539 --> 00:57:35.340
He falls. tiny in the frame.

1311
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:37.079
His minuscule there.

1312
00:57:37.139 --> 00:57:38.400
Yeah, yeah.

1313
00:57:38.460 --> 00:57:41.219
The only reason you can see him is that he's moving.

1314
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:46.380
I saw how I would like to go, Nathan, in a moment of heroic self

1315
00:57:45.539 --> 00:57:46.800
sacrifice like this.

1316
00:57:46.860 --> 00:57:49.860
I would like Celia Rose Gooding to be crying.

1317
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:53.460
I want to go in slow motion, so that's perfect for me.

1318
00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:57.360
You know, after being chased around by a load of monsters.

1319
00:57:57.420 --> 00:57:58.380
I mean, it's just perfect.

1320
00:57:58.500 --> 00:57:59.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1321
00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:03.179
So, oh, this is the tractor beam. dragging the ship. how broken

1322
00:58:03.179 --> 00:58:03.960
the ship looks.

1323
00:58:04.019 --> 00:58:05.940
Look how broken that Nacelle is.

1324
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:10.139
I think we thought the consequence of this was going to be losing

1325
00:58:10.139 --> 00:58:13.380
that lieutenant, which is still, that's still a good shock.

1326
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:15.539
Oh, and and cadet cheer.

1327
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:16.199
Like, that's it.

1328
00:58:16.260 --> 00:58:19.739
I think we're put on, you know, I've forgotten about it.

1329
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:22.860
She was twitching on the floor in a pool of blood.

1330
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:24.420
It was a pretty great performance.

1331
00:58:24.539 --> 00:58:26.159
A lot of people were, though, in this episode.

1332
00:58:26.219 --> 00:58:27.360
Yeah, that's true.

1333
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:30.599
Oh, yeah, where is she?

1334
00:58:30.659 --> 00:58:32.519
Where is she in this episode?

1335
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:35.639
So she was, she was flying the ship to deliver them.

1336
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:36.659
Well pissed if it was me.

1337
00:58:36.659 --> 00:58:38.820
The batteries to K7.

1338
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:39.539
That's why.

1339
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:42.840
You just need some terrible excuse to get them all down there.

1340
00:58:42.900 --> 00:58:43.860
They do it all the time.

1341
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:45.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1342
00:58:45.659 --> 00:58:48.960
But they get rid of Una and they get rid of of Erica.

1343
00:58:49.019 --> 00:58:53.039
And Erica, I think, is the most underused character so far.

1344
00:58:53.099 --> 00:58:56.219
And I think she's just as charming as her.

1345
00:58:56.340 --> 00:58:57.119
Look how beautiful.

1346
00:58:57.179 --> 00:58:59.159
What's the actress's name that plays Ahura?

1347
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:03.059
Uh, it's it's um Celia Gooding Jr.

1348
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:05.159
I keep calling a senior Gooding Jr.

1349
00:59:05.219 --> 00:59:06.599
Celia Rose Gooding.

1350
00:59:06.659 --> 00:59:11.099
Her father is a junior.

1351
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:11.880
She's not.

1352
00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:16.260
How she conveys emotion without overselling it.

1353
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:20.760
She did it in that 2nd episode and really movement by barely doing

1354
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.579
a thing and she's doing it here right now.

1355
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:25.980
What asset they've got there.

1356
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:29.760
And she's quoting she's quoting him from episode four.

1357
00:59:29.820 --> 00:59:32.400
Fix what is broken and he did.

1358
00:59:32.460 --> 00:59:37.559
And Eve, what made her, what persuaded her to stay was actually

1359
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:41.219
undergoing the thing that she feared the most, and loving people

1360
00:59:41.219 --> 00:59:43.619
means that this happens to you all the time.

1361
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:46.860
And that's okay because it's worth it.

1362
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:47.760
It's so good.

1363
00:59:47.820 --> 00:59:52.079
And may I also add she is just beautiful as well?

1364
00:59:52.139 --> 00:59:54.360
Oh, yeah, yeah, stunning.

1365
00:59:54.420 --> 00:59:54.960
Just got it.

1366
00:59:55.019 --> 00:59:55.860
A camera loves her.

1367
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:57.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1368
00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:59.039
Here we go.

1369
00:59:59.099 --> 01:00:00.239
Spock and Ahura.

1370
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:01.320
Yeah.

1371
01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:03.300
Nog, nog, nog, nog.

1372
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:04.679
They did snog 2 weeks ago.

1373
01:00:04.739 --> 01:00:05.639
Come on.

1374
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:07.739
I mean, look at them. so pretty.

1375
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:08.820
You would, would you?

1376
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:10.559
Absolutely.

1377
01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:12.960
Oh my god.

1378
01:00:16.019 --> 01:00:18.599
I've let something out, rage and pain.

1379
01:00:18.960 --> 01:00:24.780
So, we were talking uh, the other night with um, like some of the

1380
01:00:24.780 --> 01:00:28.079
flights through entirety people about how high def means that

1381
01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:31.619
Spock has this sort of beard basically all the time.

1382
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:35.159
Um, you know, because clearly he's a man who needs to shave very

1383
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:35.880
frequently.

1384
01:00:35.940 --> 01:00:41.880
And so, like, Nemoy had a fair bit of makeup on us, Pock, as well

1385
01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:47.039
like, you know, pancake, but yes, he's much more heavily bearded

1386
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:48.179
than his predecessor.

1387
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.460
Even black, look at that hug.

1388
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.820
Well, it's a proper human heart. you know what I mean?

1389
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:56.159
Like that's that's what she offers.

1390
01:00:56.219 --> 01:00:59.099
It's how 2 people culling on to each other when they're in a lot.

1391
01:00:59.219 --> 01:01:03.659
And it's not, like, that's not what Spock is like, and we will

1392
01:01:03.659 --> 01:01:04.860
explore this next year.

1393
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:09.900
And in fact, the theme of the annual Spock and to bring sex comedy

1394
01:01:09.900 --> 01:01:15.360
the straight of sex comedy, is him being human.

1395
01:01:15.420 --> 01:01:19.559
So is there going to be a sex comedy in series 3 as well?

1396
01:01:19.619 --> 01:01:20.639
I hope so.

1397
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:23.460
But you remember the body swap comedy in series one?

1398
01:01:23.460 --> 01:01:26.820
And then there's a high concept, sex comedy episode in series 2

1399
01:01:26.820 --> 01:01:30.719
which is just wonderful, which involves meetings. they're trying

1400
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:32.519
to write the mistakes they did in not his track.

1401
01:01:32.579 --> 01:01:34.380
Those terrible sex episodes in it.

1402
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:36.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1403
01:01:36.179 --> 01:01:38.820
There's not one of them that works in 90s.

1404
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:39.900
No, no.

1405
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:43.500
Now that we're back on the ship, on our ship, even though it's the

1406
01:01:43.500 --> 01:01:48.059
same sets, not all of them, but the warmth of the lighting, how

1407
01:01:48.059 --> 01:01:51.599
yellow everything is, you know. and the camera has stabilised.

1408
01:01:51.659 --> 01:01:52.739
Yeah.

1409
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:55.619
Not completely though.

1410
01:01:55.679 --> 01:01:57.840
I didn't realise it was all the same sets.

1411
01:01:57.960 --> 01:01:59.579
Yeah, yeah.

1412
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:01.139
It's just redressed enterprise.

1413
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:02.400
This is so cheapy then.

1414
01:02:02.460 --> 01:02:09.000
Well, the funny thing was that I think, um, Chris, or someone says

1415
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:14.940
that it's a blah, blah, blah, class ship, which is made up of many

1416
01:02:14.940 --> 01:02:17.639
of the same parts that the Enterprise is.

1417
01:02:17.699 --> 01:02:20.340
They do hang a London on it, then.

1418
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:21.059
Oh, okay.

1419
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:23.880
That's very handy, a bit like N-pop normal, you know?

1420
01:02:23.940 --> 01:02:24.960
Yeah that's right.

1421
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:29.940
Well, remember it was a constitution class ship in the doomsday

1422
01:02:29.940 --> 01:02:30.420
machine.

1423
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:31.920
It's not like they haven't done it before.

1424
01:02:31.980 --> 01:02:36.780
But it's quite nice to see the same sets. you know, dress and lit

1425
01:02:36.780 --> 01:02:37.500
differently.

1426
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:40.139
I mean, I don't think anyone could look at this episode and say

1427
01:02:40.139 --> 01:02:40.920
it's a cheapy.

1428
01:02:40.980 --> 01:02:45.719
But look how warm as well Christina Chong is in this scene.

1429
01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:50.280
And when she calls him Chris, there's something so lovely and warm

1430
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:52.679
about them calling him by his 1st name.

1431
01:02:52.739 --> 01:02:56.159
Just like after that, she's like an ice cube in that 1st episode

1432
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:58.860
and she slowly thaws throughout the season.

1433
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:01.920
So it's really nice. the thing that we can't hear.

1434
01:03:01.980 --> 01:03:05.460
So this scene, remember that she's been seconded to all sorts of

1435
01:03:05.460 --> 01:03:08.219
things and that's why she was working, working with Hammer.

1436
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:10.559
She comes onto the Bridge of the Enterprise.

1437
01:03:10.619 --> 01:03:11.519
Is she about to leave?

1438
01:03:11.579 --> 01:03:15.780
Has she made a decision because there's her station and what we

1439
01:03:15.780 --> 01:03:20.340
hear on the soundtrack is the sound that her station has made ever

1440
01:03:20.340 --> 01:03:26.400
since original Star Trek. those little pinging Star Trek noises.

1441
01:03:26.460 --> 01:03:28.019
And that's what we go out on.

1442
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:31.980
And I think that's where she decides to take the position.

1443
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:35.039
Like, I've been talking a lot about course corrections that

1444
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:39.179
Strange Nuance has been doing throughout this episode and where it

1445
01:03:39.179 --> 01:03:41.219
hasn't worked in the past, but lots of different things.

1446
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:45.420
Ahura is the best example of that, where you and I have done

1447
01:03:45.420 --> 01:03:49.139
countless episodes of original Star Trek, where she's barely got a

1448
01:03:49.139 --> 01:03:49.500
line.

1449
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:52.019
And we'd be going, well, she's just there shed doing nothing.

1450
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:54.059
This is what she should have had.

1451
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:56.039
I'm so pleased they're doing this.

1452
01:03:56.099 --> 01:03:59.039
It's a shame to Michelle Nichols because she was great.

1453
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:04.019
And I think Michelle did get to mate Celia, I think.

1454
01:04:04.019 --> 01:04:04.800
I can't remember.

1455
01:04:05.099 --> 01:04:10.019
But, you know, like Nichelle did live long enough, I think, to see

1456
01:04:10.019 --> 01:04:11.219
the beginning of this.

1457
01:04:11.340 --> 01:04:14.579
There's something I don't need to talk to you about, which I said

1458
01:04:14.579 --> 01:04:18.119
I was going to bring up in the episode, and then we had no time to

1459
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:20.519
do it because we were too busy squealing and laughing at all the

1460
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:22.980
bloods. occurred in this.

1461
01:04:23.099 --> 01:04:26.940
But you know, I should sent you a link recently of a YouTube video

1462
01:04:26.940 --> 01:04:31.980
of a man who finds all of modern day trek, absolutely appalling

1463
01:04:31.980 --> 01:04:38.880
woke, you know, nonsense, and always refers back to the heydays of

1464
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:43.860
90s trek when it was serious and worthy and, you know, spectacular

1465
01:04:43.860 --> 01:04:44.519
drama.

1466
01:04:44.579 --> 01:04:46.139
Well.

1467
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:48.539
I used to be that person, I think.

1468
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:53.340
And what it pleases me to say, through our run of dipping in and

1469
01:04:53.340 --> 01:04:57.780
out of Kurtzman Trek, which I really didn't have a lot of love for

1470
01:04:57.780 --> 01:04:58.320
at all.

1471
01:04:58.380 --> 01:04:58.800
You know that.

1472
01:04:58.860 --> 01:04:59.880
Yeah, yeah.

1473
01:04:59.880 --> 01:05:03.480
And through my discussions with you, and just through being able

1474
01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:09.780
to compare TV from the 60s to the 90s, to now and the

1475
01:05:09.780 --> 01:05:14.579
characterisation and how they write these shows and how they, as I

1476
01:05:14.579 --> 01:05:16.980
said, subvert the conventions of television.

1477
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:20.579
There is something incredible happening in Kursman Trek.

1478
01:05:20.699 --> 01:05:21.719
I don't think they always get it right.

1479
01:05:21.780 --> 01:05:24.119
I think they do lean into nostalgia too much.

1480
01:05:24.179 --> 01:05:27.480
And, you know, they they do learn their lessons as they go.

1481
01:05:27.539 --> 01:05:31.440
But the best of it, and this show, strangely well.

1482
01:05:31.500 --> 01:05:32.699
This is the best of what they do.

1483
01:05:32.940 --> 01:05:35.699
It's just fucking exceptional.

1484
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:42.179
How anybody can look at this TV and say this is bad compared to

1485
01:05:42.179 --> 01:05:45.239
something like horse oblivion than we watched last week.

1486
01:05:45.300 --> 01:05:46.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1487
01:05:46.739 --> 01:05:48.659
Are you people mad?

1488
01:05:56.460 --> 01:06:00.300
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time to find out

1489
01:06:00.300 --> 01:06:01.800
what we're doing next.

1490
01:06:01.860 --> 01:06:07.260
I was the one who for once rolled a good episode of Star Trek.

1491
01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:08.880
What in 10?

1492
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:10.500
You've got to get it right.

1493
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:11.460
Yeah, that's right.

1494
01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:15.480
So what are we going to be watching next week?

1495
01:06:15.539 --> 01:06:20.699
Well, obviously, we've watched some stunningly executed television

1496
01:06:20.699 --> 01:06:24.960
so we'll do what we normally do and spring ball back to some less

1497
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:26.519
stunningly executed television.

1498
01:06:26.579 --> 01:06:30.059
And we're going back to the 90s again just because I love talking

1499
01:06:30.059 --> 01:06:31.019
about it so much.

1500
01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:34.500
And because we're so fucking much of it we've got to get through.

1501
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:35.880
Yeah, exactly.

1502
01:06:35.940 --> 01:06:40.019
I'm going to put in my free fades to talk about Next Generation

1503
01:06:40.019 --> 01:06:41.340
Deep Space Island Voyager.

1504
01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:42.539
Yep, yep.

1505
01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:43.739
And let's see what we get.

1506
01:06:43.980 --> 01:06:46.139
Oh, buck at me.

1507
01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:47.219
No, no.

1508
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:48.599
Oh, what is it?

1509
01:06:48.659 --> 01:06:52.260
Oh, don't press the button. yeah You have to know what it is.

1510
01:06:52.260 --> 01:06:54.599
Got to be shit on 90s track of all the time.

1511
01:06:54.659 --> 01:06:55.679
Oh, what is it?

1512
01:06:55.739 --> 01:06:56.159
What is it?

1513
01:06:56.219 --> 01:06:57.360
You're right.

1514
01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:57.840
Star Trek.

1515
01:06:57.900 --> 01:07:01.019
The next generation episode is season six, episode 22.

1516
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:01.920
Suspicions.

1517
01:07:02.940 --> 01:07:04.260
Yeah.

1518
01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:05.940
I can't wait to do suspicions.

1519
01:07:07.139 --> 01:07:10.440
Oh, but we were so mean of it.

1520
01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:11.460
It's really terrible.

1521
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:14.880
It's so terrible. terrible in a fun way.

1522
01:07:14.940 --> 01:07:17.099
All right, okay, roll again.

1523
01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:20.219
Oh, yes.

1524
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:21.119
Okay.

1525
01:07:21.179 --> 01:07:22.019
No, no, no, no.

1526
01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:29.039
This is one of my favourite next generation episodes. and I can

1527
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:34.079
practically guarantee on this rewatch, it will still be one of my

1528
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:35.519
favourite next generation episodes.

1529
01:07:35.579 --> 01:07:37.380
Season three.

1530
01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:41.099
Episode three, the survivors.

1531
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:44.639
Oh, I love this episode.

1532
01:07:44.699 --> 01:07:47.760
It's the one where Troy is hearing all that music box music and

1533
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:49.980
she's like, please make it stop.

1534
01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:50.820
Yeah.

1535
01:07:50.820 --> 01:07:53.519
The reason, I mean, we'll get interesting.

1536
01:07:53.579 --> 01:07:57.000
The reason I think this works so well is it's just so simple is

1537
01:07:57.000 --> 01:07:58.320
such a simple idea.

1538
01:07:58.380 --> 01:08:00.000
Brilliantly done.

1539
01:08:00.059 --> 01:08:01.860
Yeah, okay.

1540
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:02.579
Yep.

1541
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:06.239
Yeah, I just remember that house, the fantastic...

1542
01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:08.340
The spatial of the grass.

1543
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:11.280
Yeah, square of brass on the deserted planet.

1544
01:08:11.340 --> 01:08:12.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1545
01:08:12.300 --> 01:08:12.840
Yeah.

1546
01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:13.380
Yeah.

1547
01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:15.840
I remember Riker been trussed up a tree.

1548
01:08:15.900 --> 01:08:16.920
Do you remember on the rope?

1549
01:08:16.979 --> 01:08:18.300
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1550
01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:19.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1551
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:23.100
But it's just proper them doing Star Trek things all episode too.

1552
01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:25.920
People are going to think we've got something against Marina 30s

1553
01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:27.300
because the last episode we watched.

1554
01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:29.699
We love being evil, which she was being tortured.

1555
01:08:29.699 --> 01:08:31.800
And now in this episode, she's being tortured again.

1556
01:08:31.859 --> 01:08:33.060
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1557
01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:33.960
But she is awesome.

1558
01:08:34.020 --> 01:08:34.680
Cheers.

1559
01:08:34.739 --> 01:08:36.060
All right, cool.

1560
01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:36.840
Brilliant.

1561
01:08:36.899 --> 01:08:48.300
Let's do it You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project

1562
01:08:48.300 --> 01:08:50.340
with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1563
01:08:50.340 --> 01:08:54.180
We're online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find

1564
01:08:54.180 --> 01:08:57.119
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1565
01:08:57.180 --> 01:09:01.140
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1566
01:09:01.140 --> 01:09:03.420
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1567
01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:07.500
This episode was recorded on the 9th of April, 2024 and released

1568
01:09:07.500 --> 01:09:08.880
on the 26th of April.

1569
01:09:08.939 --> 01:09:12.779
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, the

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01:09:12.779 --> 01:09:13.500
Survivors.

1571
01:09:29.340 --> 01:09:30.899
Of course.

1572
01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:34.380
Worthy Star Trek, course oblivion, yeah.

1573
01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:36.119
And this guy, right?

1574
01:09:36.180 --> 01:09:39.239
Because I could listen to 90 seconds of it, but he had like boring

1575
01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:42.479
fanboy voice and it was just shitting me and so I couldn't last

1576
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:43.079
any longer.

1577
01:09:43.140 --> 01:09:46.800
And he's going, uh, the last time that Star Trek did anything

1578
01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:50.880
original was Voyager and Enterprise.

1579
01:09:50.939 --> 01:09:54.659
And I'm kind of going, you know, you do realise Voyager is, what

1580
01:09:54.659 --> 01:09:57.420
if Star Trek the Next Generation only right wing?

1581
01:09:57.420 --> 01:10:03.479
And then Enterprise is, what if Star Trek, the Next Generation

1582
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:05.340
only much more right wing?

1583
01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:08.760
You know, like, really, right?

1584
01:10:08.819 --> 01:10:13.260
That's right Like, what's, what's so original about it?

1585
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:14.279
You know?

1586
01:10:14.340 --> 01:10:18.840
Like, in fact, in fact, that guy, and I did read the 1st comment

1587
01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:24.119
he likes Stranger Worlds, but Stranger Worlds, he's very Trad.

1588
01:10:24.180 --> 01:10:27.899
And so what he was reacting to, although he identified it as it

1589
01:10:27.899 --> 01:10:28.859
being unoriginal.

1590
01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:32.039
What he was reacting to was Star Trek doing things that it's never

1591
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:32.520
done before.

1592
01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:35.460
And he hated that, clearly, discovered.

1593
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:36.779
Yeah, yeah.

1594
01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:41.579
Like when discovery arrives, it very, very clearly says this is

1595
01:10:41.579 --> 01:10:43.739
not a 90s Star Trek episode.

1596
01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:46.680
This isn't just the next Star Trek that came along.

1597
01:10:46.739 --> 01:10:48.180
This is something different.

1598
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:51.359
And of course, Discovery has all of its own problems and stuff, as

1599
01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:52.319
we've talked about.

1600
01:10:52.380 --> 01:10:57.239
But this actually says, no, this is the next Star Trek show, we're

1601
01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:59.520
even going to do the monologue in the opening credits.

1602
01:10:59.579 --> 01:11:01.739
This is a success of Star Trek.

1603
01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:07.319
It's this, next gen, and original Star Trek are the 3 Star Trek

1604
01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:10.380
episodes, 3 Star Trek series, you know.

1605
01:11:10.619 --> 01:11:14.819
In its execution, in its writings.

1606
01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:18.180
They just understand how to make better TV.

1607
01:11:18.359 --> 01:11:21.659
And that's a thing that happens over time.

1608
01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:23.159
Like this is this is the thing.

1609
01:11:23.220 --> 01:11:25.260
Like, I think we can grade on the curve.

1610
01:11:25.380 --> 01:11:28.920
And I think that, like, I think there's genuinely brilliant, you

1611
01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:32.039
know, like original track and genuinely brilliant 90s track.

1612
01:11:32.100 --> 01:11:35.100
We wouldn't afford them for it if there wasn't something there.

1613
01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:39.539
No, that's right, but people got better at watching television and

1614
01:11:39.539 --> 01:11:42.180
at making television and that's just undeniable.

1615
01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:49.800
And so this looks and is paced and has better dialogue and more

1616
01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:53.279
interesting characters than previous iterations of Star Trek did.

1617
01:11:53.340 --> 01:11:54.840
But it's fine.

1618
01:11:54.899 --> 01:11:59.460
In the same breath, we could still watch, you know, that boring if

1619
01:11:59.460 --> 01:12:02.100
memory serves that we watch from Discovery series.

1620
01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:03.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then watch Star Wars.

1621
01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:04.260
That was boring.

1622
01:12:04.260 --> 01:12:06.720
A week later, I go, that's a bit of television.

1623
01:12:06.779 --> 01:12:07.380
Exactly.

1624
01:12:07.439 --> 01:12:08.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1625
01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:11.340
It's not, you know, there's overlaps and all sorts of things.

1626
01:12:11.340 --> 01:12:13.319
And I think you do grate on a curve.

1627
01:12:13.380 --> 01:12:16.140
I think it's absolutely, you know, unreasonable to watch an

1628
01:12:16.140 --> 01:12:18.840
episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation, and complain that it

1629
01:12:18.840 --> 01:12:21.239
doesn't have great CGI monsters in it.

1630
01:12:21.300 --> 01:12:22.020
Do you know what I mean?

1631
01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:25.680
Like they do with I think I think we can complain about how bad

1632
01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:26.579
the budget is.

1633
01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:27.359
Do you know what I mean?

1634
01:12:27.420 --> 01:12:30.779
And how that is, like, grappities in all sorts of ways.

1635
01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:34.199
But, you know, like it does inventive things and all of that sort

1636
01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:34.619
of stuff.

1637
01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:35.819
Like we talked about the...

1638
01:12:35.819 --> 01:12:38.399
Just saying we're not going to do 24 episodes.

1639
01:12:38.460 --> 01:12:40.920
We going to do 10 and that makes a difference.

1640
01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:43.680
Except the amount of money, that makes a huge difference, doesn't

1641
01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:43.859
it?

1642
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:44.159
Yeah.

1643
01:12:44.220 --> 01:12:45.119
Yeah, yeah.

1644
01:12:45.180 --> 01:12:48.300
But remember that what they do is they run a bunch of series at

1645
01:12:48.300 --> 01:12:51.180
the same time and it's not happening now and there was COVID and

1646
01:12:51.180 --> 01:12:54.180
people's contracts ended and we're in a weird position.

1647
01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:58.020
If you have a bad episode, then it's one of 10 rather than one of

1648
01:12:58.020 --> 01:12:58.319
26.

1649
01:12:58.500 --> 01:12:59.520
Yeah, yeah.

1650
01:12:59.579 --> 01:13:02.039
So, yeah, no, there's swing some roundabouts, but sure.

1651
01:13:02.100 --> 01:13:05.100
But I really have to come to embrace this though, which is quite

1652
01:13:05.100 --> 01:13:05.399
nice.

1653
01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:06.960
Yeah, it's so good.

1654
01:13:07.020 --> 01:13:08.939
I mean, Fitzbat is still annoying.

1655
01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:10.800
Discovery and other shows.

1656
01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:11.699
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1657
01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:14.579
No, fair enough too. we'll get there.

1658
01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:16.199
I think we've got a tag there, you know.

1659
01:13:16.260 --> 01:13:17.939
Yeah, I think we probably do.

1660
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:18.899
All right.

1661
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:19.859
Let's roll a thing.

1662
01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:23.340
Let us roll everything. you sure?

1663
01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:26.760
Yes, because you you said we're definitely going to do Strange New

1664
01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:29.579
Worlds because you needed a...

1665
01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:30.779
That's right.

1666
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:34.920
Well, I can't promise it's going to be a good one next, baby.

1667
01:13:36.539 --> 01:13:38.579
All right, I'll do it.

1668
01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:43.979
All right, it's the end of the episode.