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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back on board Deep Space 9.

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It's series three, episode 16, profit motive, which is the 3rd

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appearance, I want to say, of...

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That's right.

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Yep, well, Sean and Zack, and that's a welcome return.

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Another Ferengi episode.

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And one that I have to say I thought was enjoyable but slight, let

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me say, slide.

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Oh, that's being very kind.

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Well, see, I think that lots of people like are offended by the

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Frankie episodes because they're comedic.

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I mean, there's some you should be offended by.

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Prophet and lace.

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Oh, yeah, like profit and lace and stuff.

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Yeah, but like we've said before that the great thing about Deep

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Space 9 is that because of the way the characters are drawn, it

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works well as soap and it works well as a sitcom, because in

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sitcoms, people have sort of predictable ways of behaving and you

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can play with that or play against it.

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And you can see that happening here.

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That's very much what's going on with Zec in this episode.

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So it does work as a sitcom.

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The trouble with it, I think, is that we have 2 plots that have no

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character arc in them at all.

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And so the 1st plot, the big plot is Grand Megasec has had a

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religious experience with the prophets.

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I'm sold It's awesome.

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It's a great premise.

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So what we're doing is emissary only if it was with Ferengi.

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And I think that that's great.

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Of course, of course, Quark has to go and see the wormhole aliens

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by before the end of the episode.

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And it's the best really good.

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But I think the problem is that what we're trying to do is to get

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Zec to go back to being his usual self.

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So while there's some comedy in Zec behaving out of character and

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we do some playing around with the rules of acquisition and we do

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some playing around with those scenes from emissary, like kind of

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making fun of them in a way.

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Like taking 2 bits of Star Trek law, of Deep Space 9 law, and just

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crashing them against one another to see what happens, 2 bits that

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don't belong in the same show, and have the show itself observe

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that.

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The profits are actually annoyed at being in a Ferengi episode.

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But other than that, there's not much there, I think.

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Well, it's exactly what the episode earlier in the season.

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House of Court was doing with Ferengi's and Klingon culture.

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It's just smushing those 2 things together and having some fun

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with it.

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You're right.

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This is really slow and this is really slight.

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And I realise watching this that I don't care about either of

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those things because I just adore these characters and they're in

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my blood, these characters.

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I watched these at a time in my life where I needed to watch

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really fun TV.

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I've said to you before I watch this with my mom and I treasure

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that, absolutely.

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And I just love these actors.

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So this could be slighter.

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This could be slower. be happy with it. and I'd still be happy

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because I'm on Deep Space 9 and I'm hanging out with Quark Rum on

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the Grand Nagus.

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And you know, like, I actually think that that's a thing that this

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show discovers about Star Trek is that you can just do that.

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And I think, you know, people object to it and I understand that.

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But I do also like that we have an episode that is essentially

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very low stakes and he's just sort of stuff happening with the

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characters.

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The B plot.

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Again, is...

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Yeah, cider.

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Julian gets nominated for an award and he thinks he's not going to

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get it and then he kind of kind of hopes gets hope that he might

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get it and then he doesn't get it.

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And that's the whole plot.

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But the fun of that plot.

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And it is fun.

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And again, it's just hanging out with these characters and

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watching all these terrible gossips on Deep Space 9 who are

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learning all the news about the, and as you said to me on the chat

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how suddenly everyone's an expert in, you know, medical.

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Yeah, everyone has an opinion about all of these.

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Oh, Brian...

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Yeah, it's... where Odo sits down and starts looking around him

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before he starts gossiping.

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I'm like, oh, I just, I want to live on that station.

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In fact, one of my favourite moments in the episode is when Quark

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goes to see Julian, because he thinks that something's wrong with

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Zach, and those 2 plots collide, because then you get Quark making

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fun of Julian and saying he's a useless doctor and he's not going

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to win the Carrington and stuff.

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No wonder you're not going to win the Currenton Award.

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Yeah.

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So both of those are sort of very thin.

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I think this is a season of Deep Space 9 where they're pushing up

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against the limits of what their premise is, which is why we kind

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of reinvented the following year.

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And we're working towards that reinvention probably in this season

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as well.

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It's such a weird year three.

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And I look, I do like 3 a lot because you can see they're learning

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as they go.

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They bring in the defiant.

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They give the Dominion a big role.

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That's starting to impact the series massively.

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You know, they do big two-parters like past tense that stand up

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there with the greatest of Star Trek.

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So they are doing some really great stuff, but there's still some

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of that slower, far more character-based stuff from the earlier

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seasons as well.

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And it's, you're right, it's 4 with where the Warrior, they go

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fuck that shit.

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We're just going to go crazy.

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Let's have fun.

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But do you know what?

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I tell you, I've got a story I'd like to tell you.

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As I told by Renee Oberjon himself, from the extremely heavy Bible

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otherwise known as Star Trek, the Deep Space 9 companion, a book

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but it's almost impossible to read in the bar because it's so it's

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bigger than that revised version of the rules of acquisition in

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this.

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It's enormous.

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So he's been going through his director's training throughout

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series three.

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And it looks like it's time for the stabilisers to finally come

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off.

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He says, Rick was incredibly supportive from that time on.

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I proceeded to do production meetings and editing, casting, and

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dubbing sessions.

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I watched the whole process and talked to directors at length.

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Berman then ran into me a few months later and said, so are you

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ready?

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I said, oh, uh, no, not yet, he recalls.

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But when Berman called him a few years later, he goes, I think

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it's time to put you in.

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He accepted the challenge and by the luck of the draw was assigned

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to profit motive.

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It was a wonderful show to start on with for a lot of reasons.

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Key among them, Arman and Max, he says.

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Unlike some of the other actors in the series, who prefer to be

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spontaneous in their performances.

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Arman Schimmermann and Max Groddenshick, liked to rehearse their

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scenes together.

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That really suited a novice director like me, says Arman.

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They gave me unlimited access to themselves.

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We came in on weekends and rehearsed on the sets.

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So when the filming began, the scenes are already totally

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rehearsed and ready to go.

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A glorious experience, says Shimmerman.

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We worked everything out and we were solid, all 3 of us.

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We were all in harmony.

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That's the beauty of rehearsal.

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The richest you can get from working together with extra time so

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that you can develop something good.

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I just love the idea of these 3 incredible creatives coming

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together in their own time to put this bit of 2 on the screen as

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well as they possibly can.

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And, you know, Renee goes on to direct, you know, the quickening

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some really good episodes of Deep Space Night.

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Wolves in series 6, where, you know, DeCut's got those crazy

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ghosts and very bad episodes.

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Well, he does let his videos without seeing.

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It's luck of the draw, though, with what scripture given. did the

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best he could, and he did bring in Vanessa Williams, you know.

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Yeah, yeah, that's true.

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Got Terry Farrell on her to float outrageously with each other.

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It seems to me that the Ferengi family, when Chase Marston came in

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when the woman who played rookie came in, Aaron, Eisenberg, they

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were so tight, and what happens with that is, I really think it

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translates on the screen.

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You can see his actors having a blast.

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And so like we've said, if the episode is as thin as this, you're

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still really enjoying their company.

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And I did.

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So what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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I think we probably should.

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Yes.

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Prepare yourself for Grand Nagus quotes.

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Uh, because...

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What a Sean.

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Line delivery is sublime.

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He's really great.

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All right.

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Here goes. 5, 4, 32, one, and we're off.

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That's okay, Nathan.

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I like you.

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Oh, yuck.

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Quark is currently being masturbated at the start of the episode.

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There is no question of that.

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Like, they literally do masturbation humour around Umaks.

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There's a terrible line in Bar Association, which is a great

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episode where Rom goes, I'm getting too much remarks. and later

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goes, oh, who's the lucky female?

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and he goes, no female, just me.

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No, no.

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I mean, should we be talking about wanking in Star Trek?

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It's really great.

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That is really great.

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So we have self-stealing stem bolts here.

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He's trying to offload some on this woman whose name is Emmy, I

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think.

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Is it a bit icky?

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I mean, it is bit icky.

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It's basically saying we're going to do the deal, but I'm going to

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have sex with you first.

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Yeah, no, but in fact, like, something is going on here because, of

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course, that's not a very, very Ferengi like, is it?

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Like, he should be caring about the deal and not caring about

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getting wanked off.

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And he even says, I'm a very unusual Ferengi.

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So he's unusual in that he's not obsessed with money um quite as

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much as he probably ought to be.

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He's certainly not as bad as the similar scene that starts profit

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and lace, where he says to his employee, you'll be fired unless

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you have sex with me.

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What were they thinking?

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And then by the end of the episode, she's going, oh, I really

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wanted to do that actually.

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I'm like, what are you doing?

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I'm a bad dog.

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So, nothing is more important than this deal.

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And then who are I?

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No, no, he's saying nothing is more important than getting wanked

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off by this alien.

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It's not the deal.

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It's like ROM is coming in to send him to go and see Grand Nega

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Zack.

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And it's slightly odd that we don't see Zek at this point.

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So this is tiny Ron as my hard do.

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So lovely scenes where the camera swings round on him.

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He's crying in a corner.

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Yeah, yeah, having him cry. he's like a big wrestler or a football

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player or something, isn't he?

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He only talks as a prophet though, doesn't he?

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Not as Mae Hard do.

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So that's part of the 2 kind of worlds colliding, isn't it?

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Like he only talks when he's in the profit kind of part of the

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plot.

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Yeah, yeah, because the prophets have, you know, they've got power

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over the narrative, don't they?

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I think those scenes are really pretty great.

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I think they are on, yeah, highlights.

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I like the all the experience he has as well.

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All that stuff in the bar that's shot in sort of lots of high and

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low angles as well in the middle of the episode.

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I think Renee's trying, you know, in a way that some director

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started.

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I sent you a photo of Rome sitting at a window and it's framed in

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a really nice way.

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You know, he's not just pointing and shooting.

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He's trying to think, well, look, these boring directors we

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normally have.

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What can I do?

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That's a bit different. true.

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How do I make my mark?

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I mean, by the time we come to the quickening, He does

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extraordinary aerial shot of Bashir holding the baby where the

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camera swoops high over the whole location that they've got.

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Wow.

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He's got some talent as a director.

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I don't know if he went on from Star Trek to do anymore.

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I imagine he probably did.

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They usually do.

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Yeah, so he did eight.

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I don't know.

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I don't know what he goes on and does after this.

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He's a bit older, I think, than anyone else on the cast.

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He probably doesn't need the work, if I'm honest.

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Yeah, it's really...

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I mean, he can act, you know.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, here we go.

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We're still laboriously panning our way across the station.

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Make sure you go around several times.

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Like we're in a war of the park.

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Now, will they say?

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Make sure you go around several times.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Lower decks is so tricky.

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I love that one though.

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That one was Kerr and Quark.

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Well, Kieran and Shacks are really funny together.

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So here's the B plot happening and it looks like we're having a

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kind of surprise party for Bashir or something.

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Which I think they did earlier in the season, you know, so.

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Oh, okay.

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Well, there's that birthday, the birthday episode where he grows

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into an old man.

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Do you remember the?

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Oh God, no. gets inside his head?

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Yeah, it's terrible.

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Do you know what it is?

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tell you what it is. is that later on, there's so much sort of

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empire hopping and so much politicking and space battles and

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things like that going on.

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There's less hang time.

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In the early seasons, there's so much hang time on the station.

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And that's sort of where he got his claws into me, you know, just

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hanging out with these people.

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And so whilst I accept this isn't the better version of the show

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it's the more comforting version.

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I still think an episode like this should have some kind of plot

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arc.

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Like the characters, the characters should be going through a

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thing.

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And it doesn't have to be a painful thing.

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And, you know, if it's Star Trek, it'll almost certainly be a

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cheesy kind of crappy, obvious thing.

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But here there's nothing to be learned.

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Like this is eating up running time.

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They can't do it as well.

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They can do really good for you as well.

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We'll do treasury pay for the Great River, and that was other...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Do you remember the one where where Keiko comes back on the

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station in series 4 and O'Brien and Bashir are both mooning about

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the station because they're not allowed to spend any time together

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anymore.

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And then she manipulates the 2 of them.

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Oh, she goes, I need to get a brine out of my hair. really

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annoying me.

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So she goes, have you seen Julian?

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He's like really depressed.

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And the 2nd he's out there, he goes, oh, I'll go and see him.

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And then she gets straight on the phone to Julian and goes, have

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you seen Miles?

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He's really depressed, you know?

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They can do these amiable subplots in their sleep.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But, I mean, this is amiable.

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What is fun about it?

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I think is just the fact that everyone becomes an expert in these

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you know, federation doctors and staff.

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You know, we've done so many season 7 episodes.

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I forgot Jazzy Adax exists.

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Oh, she's magnificent, isn't she?

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Um, I do think her in this subplot is very odd.

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She's the one that puts him up for the award because she decides

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that he needs it.

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Despite the fact knowing that he probably ain't going to get it.

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Then she chees him up here and goes, you should be excited.

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You could win this.

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And then at the end, she goes, oh, are you all right about

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losing?

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And he goes, no, I'm not.

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And she goes, no, I didn't think you were.

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And that's the... you bitch. you know, like, why did you put him

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through this?

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Yeah, I don't quite know what's going on here.

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You remember in that episode where she deliberately goes to Odo's

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room and moves his furniture just an inch to the left just to

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annoy him.

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Yeah, actually doing that with Bashir.

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Just the fact that everyone's suddenly obsessed with it and she

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starts it off.

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So this is, what I think is the closest to a character arc is, is

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actually Rom and Quark.

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And so they start off here at Loggerheads because it's Nog's job

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apparently to clean up that plate on the floor.

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It's nog shop and he's away.

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So they're fighting.

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And one of the things that they say, and I think Rom says, it was

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terrible living with you, when we lived at home together, you know

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I hated that.

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This is more sort of structured than you might think, because in

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series three, you have this here, whereas the 1st time where he

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says to him, stop it, brother, I'm not doing what you tell me.

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This is my house and if you don't like it, fuck off.

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And then he has a scene a couple of episodes later where Noggs

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trying to get into the academy and Kork tries to sabotage that.

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He throws him up against the wall and he goes, you can do whatever

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you want to me, but don't you come near my son.

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Right.

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Then we get bar association where he finally properly comes out of

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court shadow.

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So they are sort of putting these bits in a bit at a time.

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But you can't tell that here because it's just a few scenes here

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you know.

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No.

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But, but what happens here is they're at loggerheads and then in

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the final scene, which I think has a really, it's got a really

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funny resolution.

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Yeah, where it turns out he's been embezzling, like ROM has been

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embezzling money from the charity all this time.

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And and hello.

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It's so good.

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Father would be fine.

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Father would have been so proud of you.

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And so that's a heartwarming thing.

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And I love that it's heartwarming about embezzling money from a

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benevolence. after all. really good.

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That's great.

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This here, I can sort of tell this team's been well rehearsed, just

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how they're sort of playing the room, using the props.

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I think they...

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It might be overdoing a bit.

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The bit where the bit where Quark illustrates your ear picking by

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sticking the brandy bottle is wrong.

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I guess I thought, okay, you could hear the rubber going.

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I love it always.

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It's like, this is from my private stock.

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Those tablecloths, that trixie and bubble juice.

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There's whole room.

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He's been embezzling from court beholder.

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Oh, and that's that is a lovely thing about Rome, is that slow for

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sure.

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He's been called an idiot the whole time and we're learning.

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He is really smart.

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To the point where he's the one that creates the bloody minefield

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that stops the dominion from attacking the Alpha Quadron.

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It's also just that he's sweet as well, I think, is really nice.

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Do you know what?

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Gemma hates Rom and Lita.

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He loves them as character.

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There's one point in, it's only a paper moon where he said they

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were tolerable, and otherwise he just sends, he just says they're

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like teeth clenchingly bad.

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It's very, very weird.

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But then, you know, I, I, I, we're mentioning him quite a lot at

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the moment, you know?

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I know, we, we're trying not to be mean. we should lay off No, we

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shouldn't.

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We shouldn't.

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Oh, he goes, don't let Mehart do intimidate you and shops inform

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me.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He goes, why?

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I'm going to be behind this thing.

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I knew you'd be around here somewhere.

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Now, I just want to very quickly cite you, but during this scene

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my other half walked past the door, he has said to walk past the

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door when I'm watching Star Trek or come in and just insult me

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heard Wallace Sean and went, he's heard the dinosaur from Toy

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Story.

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And I said, I said, yeah.

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And he sat down and he watched the whole rest of the episode. on

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the strength of what is Sean being in it?

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and actually, he said, again, that was quite fun.

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And for him, that's a huge endorsement of Star Trek.

443
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I think it's mostly because, you know, the Vegas is a cartoon

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character. just had fun with him.

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Well, and just while Sean is so much fun.

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I mean, just in everything that he's in, it's wonderful.

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Look at the look of horror on Mehardou's face after he's been

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leafing through the new rules of acquisition.

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Well, I love about this bit in a minute, right, as they're reading

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the book and he's doing the 1st word from every line, right?

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If never keep smile.

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A good smile, honestly.

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It feels entirely improvised.

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It doesn't feel scripted at all.

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It's like they're just making up any shit in the sense to fill out

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the running time.

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And so eventually there's a book, isn't there, that you can buy

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which has the rules of acquisition in it.

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Revised every year, you know?

461
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Right, right.

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But, I mean, the 1st rule of acquisition we already know is if you

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have their money, never give it back.

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First rule of acquisition, and it's got a sort of rhythmic way of

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saying it.

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Do you know what I mean?

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If you have their money, never give it back.

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Like, and they do that a lot with the actual rules.

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The other ones are very discordant, aren't they?

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But, but, but now, if they want their money back and they're

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trying to make it rhyme, give it to them.

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And it, and there's Rome trying to make it fit the metre, but it

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doesn't, you know, because it's...

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He just goes, if they have the money back, give it to them.

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This made her do crying.

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Please rose every episode of Star Trek.

477
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Okay?

478
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It's fun.

479
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Oh, this is that shot where he's sitting in the window.

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I just love those windows, you know.

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They're really cute.

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Does Jake ever sit in a window like that?

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I don't think he does.

484
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No.

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That is a kid.

486
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I still say, though, it's so annoying because every time we go

487
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back in time to where they were around Bajor, there's sunlight

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coming through those windows and it looks great.

489
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What a show. too expensive.

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Never mind.

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Just hang a curtain with some sequins outside there and we'll just

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go with that.

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What is weird is this sort of Cardassian design that we 1st saw in

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TNG felt so cold when I 1st saw it.

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And now it's become my ultimate comfort design.

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I think whenever I go back to DS9, just because of 7 years on the

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station.

498
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But I also think the light's a bit yellower and there's the brown

499
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has a kind of more organic, do you know what I mean?

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Like I just, and the shape.

501
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Oh, it's so dark.

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Good.

503
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There's some fucking atmosphere there.

504
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Yeah, yeah.

505
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:37.559
And just round things being round as well, like having curves, not

506
00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:40.859
having everything kind of just straight lines, like the Federation

507
00:23:40.859 --> 00:23:41.160
ships.

508
00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:45.240
But people prefer like boring next gen says.

509
00:23:45.299 --> 00:23:46.680
I mean, what is wrong with people?

510
00:23:46.859 --> 00:23:48.900
The flat lighting.

511
00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.380
Well, and then we go worse, I think.

512
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:57.839
You know, the next gen sets had some colour and some slightly odd

513
00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:00.779
shapes of the corridors, but then we go to Voyager and

514
00:24:00.779 --> 00:24:03.599
everything's much, much more boring and gray, I think.

515
00:24:03.660 --> 00:24:05.940
Well, then we go to Enterprise and they discovered the true

516
00:24:05.940 --> 00:24:07.200
meaning of gray, didn't they?

517
00:24:07.259 --> 00:24:08.940
Yeah, that's true.

518
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:09.839
That is true.

519
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:12.660
What does it mean, brother?

520
00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:15.839
It means absolutely nothing.

521
00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:18.539
He gets quite excited.

522
00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:21.119
But all of this stuff is so ridiculous.

523
00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:22.619
Oh, the next the book.

524
00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:25.259
Yeah, yeah, he licks the edges of the book.

525
00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:28.500
He goes, we'll hold it up to the light and then he looks out the

526
00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:31.980
window and kind of goes, actually, no, I can't even do that.

527
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:34.200
Oh, he's not actually doing it because he's holding out the book

528
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:37.259
and then you see his tongue going all the way along the pages.

529
00:24:37.380 --> 00:24:39.599
He's a pro.

530
00:24:39.660 --> 00:24:41.279
He really is.

531
00:24:41.819 --> 00:24:43.980
And it is great.

532
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:49.559
I do I do like the fact that it's such an appalling shift. that

533
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:52.380
suddenly there's a mystery to solve, you know, what the hell has

534
00:24:52.380 --> 00:24:54.480
happened to him, something must have happened to make him like

535
00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:54.720
this.

536
00:24:54.779 --> 00:24:58.259
It's not some devious scheme that he's come up with.

537
00:24:58.319 --> 00:24:58.859
No.

538
00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:00.240
Yeah, yeah.

539
00:25:00.779 --> 00:25:05.460
So, I mean, there is fun to be had, like the just because there

540
00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:09.359
are several of the rules of acquisition that are reversed here.

541
00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:12.539
Like, and they're, you know, they have corresponding numbers that

542
00:25:12.539 --> 00:25:13.559
are literally the opposite.

543
00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:16.140
You know, all the stuff about, you know, family doesn't come

544
00:25:16.140 --> 00:25:18.119
before profit and dignity.

545
00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:19.619
You know, it's more important than money.

546
00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:23.819
He just said, these new rules are part of an evil scheme to take

547
00:25:23.819 --> 00:25:26.819
control of the financial of the entire quadrant.

548
00:25:27.900 --> 00:25:31.079
He's nice a bit of hyperbole walk, doesn't he?

549
00:25:31.140 --> 00:25:32.460
Yeah, yeah.

550
00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:33.299
Yeah.

551
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:35.519
But that is kind of because nothing's happening.

552
00:25:35.579 --> 00:25:36.839
So what we're going to do.

553
00:25:36.900 --> 00:25:39.779
We're going to put this book down and just walk away from...

554
00:25:39.900 --> 00:25:41.819
All right, guys, you've improvised this scene long enough now.

555
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:43.200
Let's move on with a fly.

556
00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:47.279
Oh, I just love them, no.

557
00:25:47.339 --> 00:25:48.900
I just love them.

558
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:53.579
I mean, when they're married to a great story like um, the Roswell

559
00:25:53.579 --> 00:25:53.940
one.

560
00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:55.559
It's sublime.

561
00:25:55.619 --> 00:25:56.940
Yeah.

562
00:25:56.940 --> 00:26:03.000
And like I, I think that people who think, like, I, I don't have

563
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:09.900
much, I don't have much kind of patience for people who say that

564
00:26:09.900 --> 00:26:14.579
that it shouldn't be funny or that it should always have very high

565
00:26:14.579 --> 00:26:14.940
stakes.

566
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:16.380
Like, that doesn't worry me.

567
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:18.660
People say it shouldn't be sitcom.

568
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:20.700
Yeah, it should. sitcoms or...

569
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:21.359
It should.

570
00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:27.779
But I just think that a sitcom would have a character arc.

571
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:28.259
Yeah.

572
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:31.079
This is a lot of vamping.

573
00:26:31.140 --> 00:26:33.599
But it's just well good active vamping.

574
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:35.220
Yeah, yeah.

575
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:37.079
I can't keep saying I don't care.

576
00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:37.980
It's terrible.

577
00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:41.700
But I don't. no fun for the Beatles though.

578
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:43.380
Oh, no, come on, do the line.

579
00:26:43.500 --> 00:26:48.180
Might be fun for you or me, but it's no fun for the Beatles.

580
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.039
Do you know the best light he delivers in this?

581
00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:54.059
Oh my god.

582
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:58.200
It's after he's been turned back to normal when he goes, oh, you're

583
00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:00.000
wrinkling my suit.

584
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:05.220
Oh God, he's great.

585
00:27:05.339 --> 00:27:06.779
He is really good.

586
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:08.880
I mean, he's grotesque, isn't he?

587
00:27:08.940 --> 00:27:10.440
But that's all part of the fun.

588
00:27:10.500 --> 00:27:12.480
He's horrible, perverting.

589
00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:14.099
I find the ear hair.

590
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:16.740
A bit triggering, I have to say.

591
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:21.420
And you're right, it does look a bit scrotish, doesn't he?

592
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:24.359
Yeah, it's got a scrote thing happening there, I think.

593
00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:28.259
By all accounts, Wallish on really hated the makeup.

594
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:29.819
I mean, you would, look at him, bless him.

595
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:32.400
But, you know, and he's a distinguished actor.

596
00:27:32.460 --> 00:27:34.440
He doesn't need to be slumming it playing this role.

597
00:27:34.500 --> 00:27:39.359
But he loved the other actors and he just loved being a part of

598
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.460
Star. a bit like Penny Johnson Gerald, you know?

599
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:42.960
She didn't need to do this.

600
00:27:43.019 --> 00:27:46.859
She's got other fish to fry, but she's not being around Avery.

601
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:48.240
He loved being around almond, you know.

602
00:27:48.299 --> 00:27:50.819
It's a testament to the environment, I think.

603
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:51.660
Yeah.

604
00:27:51.660 --> 00:27:54.359
And I said to Mark when we were watching this.

605
00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:58.019
I said, you know, you've got an Oscar winner from one flew over

606
00:27:58.019 --> 00:28:01.380
the cookie's nest. you know, guest row here. you got Wallace Sean

607
00:28:01.380 --> 00:28:01.980
here.

608
00:28:02.220 --> 00:28:06.599
Star Trek is a pretty hefty acting talent.

609
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:09.779
These insane minor roles.

610
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:12.779
Oh, no, may I do?

611
00:28:12.779 --> 00:28:14.099
Having a drink.

612
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:14.940
Ron started drinking.

613
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.839
Yeah, this scene I didn't think landed at all where they're

614
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:19.440
playing darts.

615
00:28:19.500 --> 00:28:24.299
So I think the gag, like the running gag or the thing that the

616
00:28:24.299 --> 00:28:30.359
scene does is that whenever Miles says something, something that

617
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:35.160
that gets under Julian's skin, he misses the dartboard.

618
00:28:35.339 --> 00:28:38.400
And he wouldn't usually, you know, because he's genetically

619
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:40.500
engineered with perfect hand eye coordination.

620
00:28:40.500 --> 00:28:41.519
But not yet.

621
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:42.480
At this point, he's not.

622
00:28:42.539 --> 00:28:43.200
That's right.

623
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:48.900
And so, so, but there is something funny.

624
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:52.859
Like the funny thing in this scene is that Miles has an opinion

625
00:28:52.859 --> 00:28:54.420
about the Carrington Award.

626
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:57.180
Um, that's what I that's what I liked.

627
00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:58.559
What's going on about?

628
00:28:58.619 --> 00:29:00.000
about gentronological research.

629
00:29:00.059 --> 00:29:00.839
What of an age?

630
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:03.599
Old people, old people research.

631
00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:05.880
That is not a line.

632
00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:06.960
O'Brien would say that.

633
00:29:07.019 --> 00:29:07.859
No, that's right.

634
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:09.660
That's what's funny about it.

635
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:13.500
And so then Julian gets his revenge by saying something about

636
00:29:13.500 --> 00:29:15.000
Keiko, I think, right?

637
00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:19.200
But then what I love is, what I take from this scene is how

638
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:23.759
glorious is it that Julian and Mars sneak off to the cargo base to

639
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:25.619
play dolls all the night, you know?

640
00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:30.480
It's just not the sort of thing you imagine Dr. Bev and Riker

641
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:30.960
doing, you know?

642
00:29:31.019 --> 00:29:31.680
No.

643
00:29:31.740 --> 00:29:32.940
Yeah, yeah.

644
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.299
Yeah, but what's going on here?

645
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:38.400
Like, it doesn't play into his character.

646
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:39.660
Like, it's just like one.

647
00:29:39.660 --> 00:29:40.500
It doesn't play.

648
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:41.460
And it's not funny.

649
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.440
It's those 90s gags that aren't funny.

650
00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:45.119
Oh, how long's your wife going to be away?

651
00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:46.019
Oh, he misses the board.

652
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:46.799
Oh, there you go.

653
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:51.240
He misses the dartboard and Julian wins this round.

654
00:29:51.299 --> 00:29:52.319
No.

655
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:55.019
So they're both the actors are trying to make that work with that

656
00:29:55.019 --> 00:29:57.059
reaction, but it doesn't quite...

657
00:29:57.059 --> 00:29:58.259
Look, these poor actors.

658
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:00.299
All these actors, there's one, two, three, four.

659
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.099
Five of them there, milling about.

660
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.759
They've all had to go into makeup, just to be in this one scene.

661
00:30:07.019 --> 00:30:10.799
The Ferengi...

662
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:12.960
What's that, the FBA?

663
00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:14.400
I'm reading.

664
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.519
The Ferengi Benevolent Association.

665
00:30:18.059 --> 00:30:21.539
One of the things I really love about the following episodes is

666
00:30:21.539 --> 00:30:28.140
they do a lot of fun wordplay a lot of the time. in a way that

667
00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:30.000
sort of Star Trek comedy really gets wrong.

668
00:30:30.059 --> 00:30:35.099
But it's that sort of wordplay that you get in British sitcoms

669
00:30:35.099 --> 00:30:37.079
like a lower, low and things like that.

670
00:30:37.140 --> 00:30:40.980
It's repeated phrases that get funnier and funnier, the more you

671
00:30:40.980 --> 00:30:43.680
say them in various ways and then sort of turn them on the head

672
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:44.220
and things like that.

673
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:49.859
So this is by, this is by Ira Stephen Bear and Robert Hewitt

674
00:30:49.859 --> 00:30:50.279
Wolf.

675
00:30:50.339 --> 00:30:54.660
So they're just kind of stalwart writer's room guys, aren't they?

676
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:58.619
Just absolute staff writers who've written a 1000000 episodes.

677
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:00.839
Ira hasn't sort of taken the range yet.

678
00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:02.160
When he does.

679
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:04.920
That's when he's going to start doing your little green men's and

680
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:06.900
you're magnificent for MGs and things like that.

681
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:07.559
Okay.

682
00:31:07.619 --> 00:31:07.920
Yeah.

683
00:31:09.180 --> 00:31:12.180
I do like there's nothing beyond greed.

684
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:18.180
No, it's not.

685
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.819
The temp for all of acquisition is greed is eternal, not anymore.

686
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:25.019
Well, I just like that they're literal opposites, you know, dead

687
00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:27.299
and eternal are like complete opposites.

688
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:29.460
And of course, it's the green is good thing.

689
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.880
Greed is good, which is a reasonably recent memory, I think.

690
00:31:32.940 --> 00:31:35.220
Probably, you know, when is this?

691
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:36.119
Oh, it's 95.

692
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:37.140
It's quite late.

693
00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:40.259
He's made you join chairman of the Frankie Benevolent

694
00:31:40.259 --> 00:31:40.980
Association.

695
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.799
And he goes, no, we're going to be taking to the top of the cow

696
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:45.299
tower commerce and pushed off.

697
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:51.059
That chemistry is undeniable, isn't it?

698
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:52.200
Oh, it's great, isn't it?

699
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.200
And Rob is so funny.

700
00:31:55.259 --> 00:31:56.519
Funny.

701
00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.339
Isn't it the spy?

702
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:02.220
Is it the spire of commerce or is it the tower of commerce?

703
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:02.880
I don't know.

704
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:06.180
But every, you basically see the exterior shot when we go to

705
00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:06.900
Frankinar.

706
00:32:07.019 --> 00:32:09.359
They always come in at the top.

707
00:32:09.420 --> 00:32:12.779
One covered in rain because it's always raining and 2 just going

708
00:32:12.779 --> 00:32:14.700
oh, that was so many steps.

709
00:32:16.019 --> 00:32:18.059
Don't they have lifts?

710
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:19.680
Yeah, but you have to pay for them.

711
00:32:20.579 --> 00:32:22.920
It goes, I didn't have any change.

712
00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:27.660
Oh, dear.

713
00:32:27.660 --> 00:32:31.440
You know what?

714
00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:33.960
I can't even argue any of your complaints.

715
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.740
So I'm still laughing.

716
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.119
I kind of, like, like that upping the stakes like that is very

717
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:44.400
quark because he's a bit of a drama queen.

718
00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:46.619
Not as much as he does later.

719
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:51.480
No, he's getting now, cut him up.

720
00:32:51.539 --> 00:32:52.500
Cut him open.

721
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:53.640
See what's wrong with him.

722
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:56.339
That's not true.

723
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:58.079
There's something deeply wrong with him, doctor.

724
00:33:01.140 --> 00:33:02.339
So what did they do?

725
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:03.119
Oh, that's right.

726
00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:05.160
Oh, they devolved him, didn't they?

727
00:33:05.339 --> 00:33:09.000
There's been a lot of that going on lately on Untitled Star Trek

728
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:09.420
Project.

729
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:14.460
Well, but kind of what I want it to be is that he goes back, meets

730
00:33:14.460 --> 00:33:17.339
the prophets and has a religious experience and so comes back

731
00:33:17.339 --> 00:33:19.319
being nice and not greedy anymore.

732
00:33:19.380 --> 00:33:21.900
Like that's a kind of more fun way of looking at it.

733
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:25.619
We do get if they de evolved him, but it is essentially kind of

734
00:33:25.619 --> 00:33:26.579
the premises.

735
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:30.000
He has a religious experience and comes back and decides that

736
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:33.000
greed is bad and that is kind of funny.

737
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:36.900
And then it kind of happens for space reasons, which is slightly

738
00:33:36.900 --> 00:33:37.559
disappointing.

739
00:33:38.099 --> 00:33:42.900
Well, that it does give Cork to Charles to, you know, make the

740
00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:46.200
most over the top argument as to why.

741
00:33:46.259 --> 00:33:51.660
But again, like, there's a way in which it sort of slightly

742
00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:54.299
undermines because there is that incredible speech that we've

743
00:33:54.299 --> 00:33:59.579
mentioned before, the one that Quark makes in the Jem'Hadar, um, so

744
00:33:59.579 --> 00:34:01.140
is that the end of this season?

745
00:34:01.140 --> 00:34:03.960
And they lost. where the last season.

746
00:34:04.019 --> 00:34:07.440
And that speech where he says, look, you know, you look down on us

747
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:12.900
and you think that we're, um, you know, we're venal and greedy and

748
00:34:12.900 --> 00:34:18.900
you live in this sort of post scarcity socialist utopia, but we

749
00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:23.219
don't have a history of massive massacres of each other, but you

750
00:34:23.219 --> 00:34:23.579
do.

751
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:25.980
And I think that's pretty great.

752
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:27.840
Um, but it's kind of...

753
00:34:27.900 --> 00:34:28.380
Do you know what?

754
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.440
that outsider's opinion that it's missing a lot of the time on

755
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:32.159
TNG.

756
00:34:32.219 --> 00:34:34.380
That's what I love about Walk.

757
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:38.219
And I know you don't like the CGBR 558 so much, but I love his

758
00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:38.880
input in that.

759
00:34:38.940 --> 00:34:40.800
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

760
00:34:40.860 --> 00:34:41.639
Yeah, I agree.

761
00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:43.920
Yeah, that's one of the best things about it.

762
00:34:43.980 --> 00:34:46.739
It's like, oh, you people are all very tedious.

763
00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:48.000
Will you please get me out of here?

764
00:34:48.059 --> 00:34:49.679
What a boring episode to be a part of.

765
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:51.900
Oh, I love this.

766
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:53.579
They're broken into the shuttle now, aren't they?

767
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:57.960
No, but the fun thing is that Zek's, no, is it Zek?

768
00:34:58.019 --> 00:34:58.860
No, it's Tony Ron.

769
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:04.980
It's Mehardou's reaction where he's actually kind of into it.

770
00:35:05.099 --> 00:35:09.420
I mean, looks like he's gonna... yeah, yeah, yeah.

771
00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:16.019
Yeah, and so here is where we find out what it is, where we're

772
00:35:16.019 --> 00:35:21.179
crashing that these 2 elements of Deep Space 9's mythology into

773
00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:21.780
one another.

774
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.000
And what's great is where are we now?

775
00:35:24.059 --> 00:35:26.940
20 minutes in, and this is the 1st point, are there's Eddie

776
00:35:26.940 --> 00:35:28.739
mention of the prophets, you know?

777
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah. surprise.

778
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:33.239
Much more than halfway through.

779
00:35:33.300 --> 00:35:40.500
What I did notice is the music was subtle in this episode, but I

780
00:35:40.500 --> 00:35:44.280
did notice how the beginning is all the trumpets of the usual sort

781
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:45.360
of Ferengi music.

782
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.559
And now it goes into all that sort of weird sort of dark music

783
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:55.619
that I did an emissary for profits, all the sort of heavy, I don't

784
00:35:55.619 --> 00:35:55.800
know.

785
00:35:55.860 --> 00:35:57.360
I think it's strings they're doing.

786
00:35:57.420 --> 00:35:58.679
Right.

787
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:03.000
There's an, there is an effort to change the tone of the episode

788
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:04.079
with the music.

789
00:36:04.139 --> 00:36:06.059
It's still very subtle.

790
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:07.079
There's an effort.

791
00:36:07.260 --> 00:36:14.820
See, I have to say that I thought that the orb experience that

792
00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:18.960
Quark has, while it lets us see zany things doesn't really amount

793
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:23.699
to anything, whereas the later vision that he has of the profits, I

794
00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:25.019
think is really brilliant.

795
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.119
Like, I think it's it's the best thing about the episode.

796
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:29.880
I mean, I like how a lot of this is framed in this.

797
00:36:29.940 --> 00:36:32.099
There's a wonderful scene where, yeah, he's on the wheel and then

798
00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:34.320
the camera zooms right up and out of him.

799
00:36:35.099 --> 00:36:37.860
Yeah, that's no, that's not it.

800
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:39.119
He's just sitting on the wheel there.

801
00:36:39.179 --> 00:36:40.559
No, but that's coming later.

802
00:36:40.619 --> 00:36:44.280
But again, like, you know, this is giving Renee something to do as

803
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:45.539
well, which is kind of interesting.

804
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.860
What's great about the sequences later and every time we do the

805
00:36:49.860 --> 00:36:52.559
profits is those scenes must have been a nightmare to shoot

806
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.860
because you have to shoot in all those different locations. various

807
00:36:55.860 --> 00:36:58.019
bits of dialogue and then edit it all together.

808
00:36:58.139 --> 00:37:01.019
That is really fun to cut between different locations and

809
00:37:01.019 --> 00:37:01.559
different characters.

810
00:37:02.340 --> 00:37:06.179
Where's all that quark cleverness, Nathan?

811
00:37:07.260 --> 00:37:10.860
You couldn't find them if they're hanging from your lobes.

812
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:14.280
Oh, I love him.

813
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:15.840
Can't he be a regular?

814
00:37:17.219 --> 00:37:19.500
All that makeup though.

815
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:23.219
And the ear hair, I just find it so, so off putting.

816
00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:27.420
There are bits of profit and lace that I do like, you know, I do

817
00:37:27.420 --> 00:37:31.500
like the nagus in that where he's like, boys, together, we're

818
00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:35.579
gonna start a revolution or die in the attempt, you know?

819
00:37:37.139 --> 00:37:40.679
It's just a very, it's aged very badly.

820
00:37:40.739 --> 00:37:44.159
Mind you, some of this fogus stuff has aged very badly, indeed

821
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:45.000
across the board.

822
00:37:45.059 --> 00:37:46.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

823
00:37:47.940 --> 00:37:53.460
But there are, I have heard other Star Trek podcasts where they

824
00:37:53.460 --> 00:37:55.920
just won't give any of their stuff a child because it is a little

825
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:56.460
sexist.

826
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:57.480
And I'm like, you know what?

827
00:37:57.539 --> 00:37:58.380
There is a lot of effort here.

828
00:37:58.440 --> 00:37:59.639
This is of its time.

829
00:37:59.699 --> 00:38:03.059
This is the 90s where probably we did the best.

830
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:07.260
You know, like we watched Star Trek, the original series and the

831
00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:11.760
animated series, you know, like it's it's worse, like considerably

832
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:12.239
worse.

833
00:38:12.300 --> 00:38:12.659
I think.

834
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.900
I just think this is a bit more icky at times.

835
00:38:16.019 --> 00:38:17.400
Yeah.

836
00:38:17.460 --> 00:38:20.639
It's a bit more like, you know, I'm really enjoying this.

837
00:38:20.699 --> 00:38:21.179
Should I be?

838
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:22.320
Yeah.

839
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:23.400
Yeah.

840
00:38:23.460 --> 00:38:27.360
Oh, no, I think profit and lace is just like horrifically bad.

841
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:29.400
What?

842
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:30.539
Well, I repair like the story.

843
00:38:30.659 --> 00:38:36.719
I wrote the episode where Quark goes into the Gamma Quadrant to do

844
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:43.139
the deal about Tulaberry wine and finds the caramel and um, he's

845
00:38:43.139 --> 00:38:44.880
the one that 1st hears about the Dominion.

846
00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:49.079
And there's a scene and it's shot just like this is now from the

847
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:51.000
front of a Ferengi shuttle where he's going.

848
00:38:51.059 --> 00:38:53.340
Zeg didn't care about Tulaberry wine.

849
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.260
All he cared about was the Dominion.

850
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:59.579
And they do like bringing these 2 things together on the odd

851
00:38:59.579 --> 00:39:02.880
occasion. like it.

852
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:09.659
That is the joy, I think, of on DS9, the joy of having all of

853
00:39:09.659 --> 00:39:12.960
these different cultures represented by one person. is that you

854
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:14.880
have these clashes of culture all the time.

855
00:39:14.940 --> 00:39:16.440
And that's good viewing.

856
00:39:16.980 --> 00:39:18.659
Oh, I agree.

857
00:39:18.659 --> 00:39:19.559
For the most part.

858
00:39:22.619 --> 00:39:24.360
Lots of carrying now.

859
00:39:24.420 --> 00:39:25.500
I was figuring it all out.

860
00:39:25.619 --> 00:39:29.579
Oh, so we're just getting, so we're getting why he's there.

861
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:33.179
And and like, that's kind of super interesting.

862
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:37.019
The contrast between.

863
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:37.800
So we get.

864
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:48.539
We get, um, We get the wormhole aliens encounter Cisco in emissary

865
00:39:48.539 --> 00:39:52.139
and he's living in the past, and in particular, he can't escape

866
00:39:52.139 --> 00:39:55.500
that particular event where his wife dies.

867
00:39:55.559 --> 00:40:01.500
Here, you get, um, you get Zek coming in and he's obsessed about

868
00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:02.159
the future.

869
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:06.840
Uh, is, you know, and so we have a sort of similar conversation.

870
00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:11.940
This is them not understanding how linear time is they do mention

871
00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:12.300
it.

872
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:17.280
Um, But sort of from a different, from a different viewpoint.

873
00:40:17.340 --> 00:40:20.699
All right, so here is Renee, in his own episode, this is his only

874
00:40:20.699 --> 00:40:21.900
sort of big scene.

875
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:25.380
I think his makeup looks better.

876
00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:27.960
He's like, I'm not wearing that.

877
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:29.760
That usual shitty mask.

878
00:40:29.820 --> 00:40:30.840
Do a better job.

879
00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:35.280
Do you think, I actually think that they, that, is this the

880
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:35.820
makeup?

881
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.460
Like, the makeup changes as time goes by.

882
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.579
Actually, he gets more latex as he goes along, I think.

883
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:46.199
At the beginning, he's quite gaunt in the face in series one. and

884
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:48.000
it gets rounder and rounder. look at his lips.

885
00:40:48.059 --> 00:40:50.159
Like there's enough of his own mouth there.

886
00:40:50.219 --> 00:40:54.780
Like, he starts having old man face later, and it's super

887
00:40:54.780 --> 00:40:55.800
unflattering.

888
00:40:55.860 --> 00:40:57.960
This is not as bad as that, I think.

889
00:40:58.019 --> 00:41:01.619
I just like how he does exactly what I do at work there.

890
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:05.699
He comes down the stairs and looks around himself, sort of

891
00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:09.780
suspiciously, a little bit paranoid, and then sits down with the

892
00:41:09.780 --> 00:41:14.159
sheer and starts gossiping, and that's exactly what I do at work.

893
00:41:14.219 --> 00:41:18.059
You know, you got to do a quick 360 around you before you start

894
00:41:18.059 --> 00:41:19.920
divvying out the golf.

895
00:41:20.579 --> 00:41:24.300
And he's kind of cute because it's not very him too because he's

896
00:41:24.300 --> 00:41:28.139
super serious and so seeing him be trivial and gossipy is kind of

897
00:41:28.139 --> 00:41:29.099
part of the fun.

898
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.579
He's heard it from his friends, cousins, cats, neighbours.

899
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:34.019
You know, it goes on and on.

900
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:36.360
That is super funny, isn't it?

901
00:41:36.420 --> 00:41:38.099
That's very unlike him.

902
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:43.079
And, and like, I think, I think doesn't Julian say so, like refers

903
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.860
to them as his friend and then Odo corrects him and says, no, no

904
00:41:46.860 --> 00:41:50.639
it's, you know, like my friend's wife's, you know, whatever.

905
00:41:50.699 --> 00:41:51.599
Yeah.

906
00:41:52.619 --> 00:41:57.000
This is the point where we realise, of course, Bashir thinks he

907
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.719
might possibly... because he's working on his acceptance speech.

908
00:42:00.900 --> 00:42:09.480
And so apparently this is somehow based on Star Trek the Next

909
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:15.000
Generation where they expected to be up against something CSI or

910
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:18.300
something, they thought that they had stood a chance in their last

911
00:42:18.300 --> 00:42:19.019
year or whatever.

912
00:42:19.619 --> 00:42:25.260
Or, uh, of winning a sort of major Emmy and of course, they didn't

913
00:42:25.260 --> 00:42:27.539
get it, you know, something else won.

914
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.719
And so this was about that, apparently.

915
00:42:30.780 --> 00:42:34.380
But again, there's just nothing there, I think.

916
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:35.699
It's not obvious.

917
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:37.079
Oh, I love this.

918
00:42:37.139 --> 00:42:38.639
What can I do for you boys?

919
00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:40.019
And then they shuffled.

920
00:42:40.019 --> 00:42:41.400
And they put him in a sack.

921
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:42.659
And I don't know.

922
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:44.460
Is it him inside that sack?

923
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.079
Oh, I hope so.

924
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:49.199
I want to think that's more of Sean being carried along going.

925
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:50.400
That's okay, Quark.

926
00:42:50.460 --> 00:42:51.360
I still like you.

927
00:42:51.420 --> 00:42:53.460
Yeah, no, probably not.

928
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:56.340
I mean, they don't... like someone's moving.

929
00:42:56.699 --> 00:42:58.139
It might not be Wallace Short.

930
00:42:58.199 --> 00:42:59.460
You know how in Star Trek?

931
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:02.880
Like if their faces aren't in shot, it's just someone else, you

932
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:04.079
know, like...

933
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:05.820
Oh, it's so funny.

934
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:09.300
I mean, it's just nothing, is it?

935
00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:15.780
No, I do think putting Zach in a big bag is actually quite fun.

936
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:21.900
It's almost like we are just arsing around for a week, isn't it?

937
00:43:22.739 --> 00:43:28.860
Just not just goes...

938
00:43:28.980 --> 00:43:32.280
Yeah, that rum goes, I'd really love to stay and go with you

939
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:33.360
brother, but I won't.

940
00:43:33.420 --> 00:43:38.699
And then he goes. that's right Which is exactly what I would say

941
00:43:38.699 --> 00:43:40.800
to you if you were heading off to the wormmo aliens.

942
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:41.880
Yeah, yeah.

943
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:46.679
All those spraggy shuttles are so bad, aren't they?

944
00:43:46.739 --> 00:43:48.420
I think they're adorable.

945
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:50.639
I like those...

946
00:43:50.699 --> 00:43:53.699
Yeah, yeah, that's... like a crab, isn't it?

947
00:43:53.820 --> 00:43:55.679
Yeah, it's cute.

948
00:43:55.739 --> 00:43:59.219
But remember that big crab ship in the in the last outpost?

949
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:00.480
How impressive it looked.

950
00:44:00.539 --> 00:44:01.500
Yeah.

951
00:44:01.500 --> 00:44:06.059
I'll tell you what, I do, I do think as payoff to nothing.

952
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.760
This sequence coming up, it's pretty good.

953
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:12.840
And like it just seems to me that this is what they have in their

954
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:13.260
head.

955
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.559
Like, this is the important thing in the scene.

956
00:44:16.619 --> 00:44:17.340
How do we get there?

957
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:18.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

958
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:21.780
How do we get to court meet in the wormhole aliens?

959
00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:23.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

960
00:44:23.219 --> 00:44:28.199
And, I mean, the great way that it's resolved is that they find

961
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:33.840
Quark incredibly tedious and annoying and they don't want to be in

962
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:39.360
any more episodes with him and he says, if you give me Zek back

963
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:41.760
you won't have to see any more Ferencia.

964
00:44:41.820 --> 00:44:42.480
For again.

965
00:44:42.539 --> 00:44:44.400
And they go, okay.

966
00:44:47.460 --> 00:44:49.139
Oh, it's wonderful.

967
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:51.960
But it'll just get to that point.

968
00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:57.300
Walk does suggest that, you know, destabilisation of the entire

969
00:44:57.300 --> 00:45:01.739
the entirety of reality, um, just because Zach's been changed and

970
00:45:01.739 --> 00:45:04.559
they go, yeah. your case a little bit.

971
00:45:04.980 --> 00:45:07.440
But he is a drama queen.

972
00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:08.340
Like we said that before.

973
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:09.840
That's why I love it.

974
00:45:10.139 --> 00:45:14.280
So we actually haven't seen the prophet since emissary at this

975
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:14.519
point.

976
00:45:14.579 --> 00:45:16.500
This is their second appearance in the show.

977
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:21.179
They they, they start sort of having more, they're in a session

978
00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:21.719
aren't they?

979
00:45:21.780 --> 00:45:23.340
They're in the rapture, I think.

980
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:27.179
Sacrifice of Angels, and then a couple of times in series 6 and

981
00:45:27.179 --> 00:45:27.420
seven.

982
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:29.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

983
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.380
Yeah, it's very hard to do that sort of delivery to Canberra when

984
00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:35.159
the actor's not there.

985
00:45:35.219 --> 00:45:36.659
Doctor, what are you doing here?

986
00:45:40.980 --> 00:45:45.780
But I like how he figures this all out a lot quicker than Cisco

987
00:45:45.780 --> 00:45:46.199
ever did.

988
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:48.239
Yeah, yeah.

989
00:45:48.300 --> 00:45:53.340
But he's, you know, he's heard, he's heard of it before, I think.

990
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:56.940
Like he's from this environment in a way that Cisco isn't when

991
00:45:56.940 --> 00:45:58.440
when it 1st starts.

992
00:45:58.500 --> 00:46:02.219
The transition from scene to scene has been thought through as

993
00:46:02.219 --> 00:46:02.400
well.

994
00:46:02.460 --> 00:46:07.139
So you had, um, walk talking to somebody else, the staff coming in

995
00:46:07.139 --> 00:46:10.019
turning his head, and then it was Cisco holding the staff in a

996
00:46:10.019 --> 00:46:10.800
completely different room.

997
00:46:12.059 --> 00:46:17.219
It's not, you know, the end of the world direction, but it's way

998
00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:18.780
more thoughtful than we normally get.

999
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:20.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1000
00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:24.179
Well, this is this is the show trying to do something weird, and

1001
00:46:24.179 --> 00:46:29.159
this is clearly Renee relishing his 1st go, you know, at being the

1002
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:29.519
director.

1003
00:46:29.579 --> 00:46:33.300
I'd say it's quite a thing to give a 1st time director.

1004
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:34.139
This sequence.

1005
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:38.519
See, notice that line where he says Zach wanted to know the

1006
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:42.360
outcome of the game before it was played is delivered to us by

1007
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:46.860
Cisco holding a baseball, which is exactly how he explains linear

1008
00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:49.920
time to the prophets in that 1st episode.

1009
00:46:49.980 --> 00:46:51.840
And they do do that a bit.

1010
00:46:51.900 --> 00:46:55.860
They do it more thoughtfully, I think, in emissary, where they

1011
00:46:55.860 --> 00:47:00.300
give particular people the role of, you know, they assign the

1012
00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:04.739
dialogue of the aliens to particular people. you know, with a fair

1013
00:47:04.739 --> 00:47:06.300
bit of thought.

1014
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:09.420
Here, it's a little bit more random, but there are one or 2

1015
00:47:09.420 --> 00:47:10.739
attempts to do that, I think.

1016
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:15.000
We do miss, however, the sequence of brand Negger Zach having a

1017
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:18.420
conversation with the wormhole aliens, which I would love to see.

1018
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:22.019
That would be pretty great, but I think we have to forego that in

1019
00:47:22.019 --> 00:47:24.659
order to get the quark one, which we really need to have.

1020
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:26.699
And I like all this.

1021
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:31.380
I like all the discussion around sort of linear time and it could

1022
00:47:31.380 --> 00:47:33.480
be really sort of badly delivered.

1023
00:47:33.539 --> 00:47:37.019
And I think it's ambiguous enough to work.

1024
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.000
Yeah, look it.

1025
00:47:39.059 --> 00:47:43.260
I mean, it is just a very, very kind of complex way of doing the

1026
00:47:43.260 --> 00:47:46.380
is this the human feeling you call love?

1027
00:47:46.500 --> 00:47:47.699
Do you know what I mean?

1028
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:49.139
Is this what time is?

1029
00:47:49.380 --> 00:47:52.980
And I think it works well because there's a real proper character

1030
00:47:52.980 --> 00:47:57.300
thing in the emissary episode, isn't there?

1031
00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:01.980
starts to happen and I'm so sorry to mention Babylon 5 for the 2nd

1032
00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:02.940
week on the trot.

1033
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:05.519
Yeah, no, no, okay.

1034
00:48:05.579 --> 00:48:09.960
Well, is that they look over at Babylon 5 and realise that Kosh

1035
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:13.440
this weird character in a massive suit who is a bit like the

1036
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:18.059
prophet exists in his own sort of time space and has prophecies of

1037
00:48:18.059 --> 00:48:18.480
the future.

1038
00:48:18.539 --> 00:48:22.380
He says these obscure lines, and that then means something later

1039
00:48:22.380 --> 00:48:26.159
on, and the profits basically take on that role going forward, you

1040
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:29.699
know, a pendance must be exacted and things like that.

1041
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:35.639
But this, our ambition to improve ourselves motivates everything

1042
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:36.239
we do.

1043
00:48:36.300 --> 00:48:39.000
And all of that stuff is actually pretty great.

1044
00:48:39.059 --> 00:48:42.000
I do love the...

1045
00:48:42.059 --> 00:48:44.639
I agreed, people were lying around doing nothing.

1046
00:48:44.699 --> 00:48:47.280
They wouldn't work, they wouldn't bathe.

1047
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:52.559
They wouldn't even eat. starve to death.

1048
00:48:53.820 --> 00:48:56.760
This is him just going over the top.

1049
00:48:56.820 --> 00:48:59.280
And of course, you know, the Federation proves that's not the

1050
00:48:59.280 --> 00:48:59.519
case.

1051
00:48:59.579 --> 00:49:02.039
You know, these people aren't working because they'll starve

1052
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:05.340
otherwise, which is the reason that we're all working.

1053
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:10.019
I think, uh, it's, it's, um, Changing you will not result in the

1054
00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:11.880
end of all poor existence.

1055
00:49:12.420 --> 00:49:14.760
Maybe I exaggerated a little.

1056
00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:22.500
I really like my favourite line is still Kira saying linguistic

1057
00:49:22.500 --> 00:49:24.360
communication is tiresome.

1058
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:28.019
Oh, I liked it when Kira went, oh, not another one.

1059
00:49:32.340 --> 00:49:34.079
But here it is.

1060
00:49:34.139 --> 00:49:35.579
Here's how he convinces them.

1061
00:49:35.699 --> 00:49:38.699
There'll be more people to come and meet you to find out what

1062
00:49:38.699 --> 00:49:39.900
happened to me and Zach.

1063
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:41.280
You think I'm annoying?

1064
00:49:41.340 --> 00:49:43.260
There's many more.

1065
00:49:45.300 --> 00:49:48.539
I love that is linear as well.

1066
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:54.480
It's so funny Eva goes, potentially very annoying to you as well.

1067
00:49:57.539 --> 00:50:01.139
I just hold it up his hand in that Frankie swear, isn't he?

1068
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:06.960
Yeah, these liquids of communication is time.

1069
00:50:07.019 --> 00:50:10.019
My point is...

1070
00:50:11.099 --> 00:50:12.659
And that's it.

1071
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:13.980
He convinces them.

1072
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.219
In a in a sort of nothing episode, that's a very good scene.

1073
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:18.480
Yeah, yeah.

1074
00:50:18.539 --> 00:50:21.179
And I think that's the bit that they're going, oh, let's do that.

1075
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:25.440
You know, that's clearly what's making this episode happen.

1076
00:50:25.500 --> 00:50:30.780
But it's not like, it's not like, um, cork, pork, rama, knock of

1077
00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:31.679
the Roswell aliens.

1078
00:50:31.739 --> 00:50:33.780
I mean, that tickles your testicles, doesn't it?

1079
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:34.679
Just at the thought of it.

1080
00:50:34.739 --> 00:50:37.199
Yeah, yeah, it's so great, isn't it?

1081
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.679
I feel like maybe they get just, they get more ambitious.

1082
00:50:40.739 --> 00:50:44.099
Oh, we're going to do the magnificent 7 with the Ferenke.

1083
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:44.699
Yeah.

1084
00:50:44.699 --> 00:50:45.300
Yeah.

1085
00:50:45.420 --> 00:50:51.539
Ah, you're wrinkling my...

1086
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:53.760
I'm gonna make them pay through their noses.

1087
00:50:55.860 --> 00:50:58.500
Oh man, I love him.

1088
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:03.420
So this guy is credited as medical big shot.

1089
00:51:04.739 --> 00:51:06.539
In the closing credits?

1090
00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:09.480
Medical big shot.

1091
00:51:09.539 --> 00:51:10.260
Yeah.

1092
00:51:10.260 --> 00:51:12.900
It's about Toby Hado, because told me that it's much better to

1093
00:51:12.900 --> 00:51:15.059
have a name, you know, not the description.

1094
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.159
Yeah, no, just be, you know, woman.

1095
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:22.260
Your performance was so substandard in 2 lines that you had, we're

1096
00:51:22.260 --> 00:51:23.579
going to call you medical big shop.

1097
00:51:25.739 --> 00:51:29.460
I love the reaction of the extras behind when he doesn't win.

1098
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:31.619
They're like, oh, really?

1099
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:33.300
can't believe it.

1100
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:35.099
Look at the woman behind Bashi.

1101
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:35.820
She's appalled.

1102
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:39.360
But Cisco has a thing Roget.

1103
00:51:39.420 --> 00:51:40.380
Who's he?

1104
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:41.460
Why are they picking him?

1105
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:42.960
You know, it's so great.

1106
00:51:43.019 --> 00:51:46.199
I think one fella just gets a sort of an off the cuff line, you

1107
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:47.519
should have won. you know.

1108
00:51:47.579 --> 00:51:50.760
He's like, I'm going to get paid a little bit for dialogue.

1109
00:51:50.820 --> 00:51:51.059
Okay.

1110
00:51:52.500 --> 00:51:55.500
Yeah, it's just about nothing, is it?

1111
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:58.679
And I do think, what's the end of series three?

1112
00:51:58.739 --> 00:52:02.760
They do a series of really quite fun B plots.

1113
00:52:02.820 --> 00:52:06.539
And this is probably the least substantial of all of them.

1114
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:06.960
Yeah.

1115
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:11.280
Well, it's just like the way it ends and that we go out of that

1116
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:12.599
scene really quickly.

1117
00:52:12.659 --> 00:52:16.559
So it doesn't get the chance to land, but it's kind of like he's

1118
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:21.960
in a worse place than he was now because like, he never...

1119
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:26.159
You know, Rob just went, the only place the revised rules of

1120
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:32.519
acquisition are are in my head and that goes...

1121
00:52:35.579 --> 00:52:38.760
Ah, look, he gets a pat on the head from May I do.

1122
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:42.000
Oh dear, oh dear.

1123
00:52:42.059 --> 00:52:43.139
I have laughed a lot.

1124
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:46.920
There's only one thing that bothers me, Nathan.

1125
00:52:46.980 --> 00:52:48.599
Did you have to go through this whole episode?

1126
00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:50.099
We didn't really get much out of it, you know?

1127
00:52:50.219 --> 00:52:51.539
Really?

1128
00:52:51.539 --> 00:52:52.380
Nothing happens.

1129
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:54.900
But, but it's this.

1130
00:52:54.960 --> 00:53:00.360
This, and look at, look at, just the look on Max's face is so

1131
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:01.079
funny.

1132
00:53:01.139 --> 00:53:05.940
It's so funny because he's so kind of, he's sort of gormless and

1133
00:53:05.940 --> 00:53:09.239
we think he's trustworthy, but like he's baring his teeth and he's

1134
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:10.980
going, oh, is the senior administrator?

1135
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:13.199
Senior administrator, brother.

1136
00:53:16.139 --> 00:53:17.880
So great.

1137
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:19.139
It's really good.

1138
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:21.659
That is the best scene. been such a good episode.

1139
00:53:21.780 --> 00:53:23.519
And just having them smile at one another.

1140
00:53:23.579 --> 00:53:25.619
And look, I think, does Quo put his arm around him?

1141
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:26.699
Yeah, of course, he does.

1142
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:27.599
It's just adorable.

1143
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.000
That is a fabulous ending.

1144
00:53:30.059 --> 00:53:36.239
But the other following episode of the year, um, uh, House of Hawk

1145
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:40.139
where, at the end, where he goes to him, oh, the customers are

1146
00:53:40.139 --> 00:53:42.059
bored of hearing the story now, Rom.

1147
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:44.579
And Rom goes, no, tell me again.

1148
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:48.840
And he starts telling him, and Brom's looking at him like it's the

1149
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:50.880
most magnificent Frankie he's ever seen.

1150
00:53:50.940 --> 00:53:51.780
Yeah.

1151
00:53:51.780 --> 00:53:53.699
Oh, they I love those endings.

1152
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:57.599
Yeah, I mean, I think we did house of quite quite early.

1153
00:53:57.659 --> 00:54:01.619
It might be our 2nd episode, I think, at Untitled Star Trek

1154
00:54:01.619 --> 00:54:01.980
Project.

1155
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:04.679
And I think that that is magnificent.

1156
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:08.400
And it is, as you said, another one where we go, let's just bring

1157
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:10.920
these 2 Star Trek things together and get them to clash.

1158
00:54:10.980 --> 00:54:16.500
But I think, you know, it's got such a strong guest character in

1159
00:54:16.500 --> 00:54:17.460
Grill Car.

1160
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:19.559
It's properly funny.

1161
00:54:19.619 --> 00:54:23.039
It gets, we get to see, is it Gauron, like reading the

1162
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:26.159
spreadsheets and stuff, like all that stuff. really funny.

1163
00:54:26.219 --> 00:54:27.119
Do you remember?

1164
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:27.840
She goes, what is that?

1165
00:54:27.900 --> 00:54:30.300
I really am very grateful quark.

1166
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:33.179
And that is why I'm going to let you take your hand off my knee

1167
00:54:33.179 --> 00:54:36.719
instead of shattering every bone in your body.

1168
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:39.539
They laugh.

1169
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.300
Oh, that's great.

1170
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:44.699
I love the Ferengi episodes, Nathan.

1171
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:48.960
I know, I know if you sneeze, that episode would blow away.

1172
00:54:50.579 --> 00:54:53.639
It's like a massage to me, you know?

1173
00:54:53.699 --> 00:54:55.500
It's like umaks.

1174
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:57.000
Like, yes.

1175
00:54:57.059 --> 00:55:00.059
But mostly it's down to the actors in this one.

1176
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:05.099
It's just being around those people, having fun. is fun.

1177
00:55:05.340 --> 00:55:08.039
That they would learn to do this better.

1178
00:55:08.099 --> 00:55:11.820
They would learn to sort of throw in a high concept that really

1179
00:55:11.820 --> 00:55:12.960
really gets you excited.

1180
00:55:13.019 --> 00:55:15.900
But, you know, I enjoyed it.

1181
00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:17.460
Yeah, I had fun too.

1182
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:27.840
All right, it's the end of the episode and we are going to make

1183
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:30.179
another poor decision, I think, this week.

1184
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:37.260
It's my turn on the randomiser and I am going to pick Star Trek

1185
00:55:37.260 --> 00:55:38.159
Enterprise.

1186
00:55:38.219 --> 00:55:39.420
Excuse me.

1187
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.000
We are going to make another poor choice.

1188
00:55:42.059 --> 00:55:46.800
I made a superb choice for us to have some fun watching a Ferengi

1189
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:48.000
episode of T Space 9.

1190
00:55:48.059 --> 00:55:49.739
Yeah, okay.

1191
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:51.780
Why don't you make a more choice?

1192
00:55:51.900 --> 00:55:53.099
Choose enterprise.

1193
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:54.360
I promise I may.

1194
00:55:54.659 --> 00:55:57.719
It could be the best episode of Enterprise ever.

1195
00:55:58.260 --> 00:55:59.699
Great.

1196
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:00.659
I can't wait.

1197
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:02.039
All right, here goes.

1198
00:56:02.460 --> 00:56:06.780
You're random Star Trek episode is Carbon Creek.

1199
00:56:07.260 --> 00:56:09.480
Season two, episode two.

1200
00:56:09.539 --> 00:56:10.679
Why?

1201
00:56:10.739 --> 00:56:12.420
Oh, no, that's not the one I'm thinking of.

1202
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:13.260
You know what it is?

1203
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:14.880
That's the one with the past.

1204
00:56:14.940 --> 00:56:19.139
Yeah, with the other Vulcan, who's a really great actor, and it's

1205
00:56:19.139 --> 00:56:24.719
very, very slight, but it gets all the sort of the emotional beats

1206
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:25.079
right.

1207
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:28.800
It's sort of one of those enterprise episodes that you're going to

1208
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:30.059
forget, but doesn't do anything wrong.

1209
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.900
Uh, I've really pressed it on again.

1210
00:56:34.500 --> 00:56:38.760
Series four, episode one, stormfront.

1211
00:56:38.820 --> 00:56:40.679
No, let's not do that.

1212
00:56:40.739 --> 00:56:43.019
Let's not do evil Nazis.

1213
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:44.579
Yeah, yeah.

1214
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:45.119
Yeah.

1215
00:56:45.179 --> 00:56:47.219
Although a lot of them get shot, which is kind of fun.

1216
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.219
What do you think of this?

1217
00:56:51.300 --> 00:56:57.960
Your random Star Trek Enterprise episode is season four, episode

1218
00:56:57.960 --> 00:56:59.579
22?

1219
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:01.980
These other voyages.

1220
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:03.059
Yes, of course.

1221
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:06.239
I mean, we've just done. the end of a series.

1222
00:57:06.300 --> 00:57:07.619
We may as well do another.

1223
00:57:07.739 --> 00:57:12.480
That's right I fear that sort of the quotes that I'll pull out for

1224
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:12.900
that one.

1225
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:14.699
Maybe the length of a Bible.

1226
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:18.659
Yeah, people are very, very cross, I think.

1227
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:21.900
No, that's just the actors that were involved.

1228
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:27.300
I think that is a sublime choice that you've made there.

1229
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:29.280
It is pretty good.

1230
00:57:29.340 --> 00:57:34.679
Like we did, in a sense, we did the real finale of Enterprise

1231
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:35.340
didn't we?

1232
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:37.860
The Terra Prime thing.

1233
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.199
Which was pretty good.

1234
00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:45.599
Like it was, it was not bad, but yes, this is going to be a

1235
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:45.960
thing.

1236
00:57:46.019 --> 00:57:51.000
And I tried to watch it once and then just thought, yeah, no, I

1237
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:51.960
don't think so, I'm out.

1238
00:57:52.019 --> 00:57:54.719
I mean, it's got your 2 favourites.

1239
00:57:54.780 --> 00:57:56.699
Jonathan Frakes and Marina Saltis, isn't it?

1240
00:57:56.760 --> 00:57:57.900
Yeah, that's true.

1241
00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:01.500
But I've never reached the end of it or really probably got past

1242
00:58:01.500 --> 00:58:03.239
guiding credits, to be fair.

1243
00:58:03.300 --> 00:58:08.280
I bet some geeky Star Trek fans cut in. these scenes into the

1244
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:12.480
Pegasus and it's amazing how Frekes, you know, gains and loses

1245
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:16.320
weight with such alarming regularity.

1246
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:21.539
I mean, we can't really skip past this one, can we?

1247
00:58:21.659 --> 00:58:24.960
No, I think if we've rolled it, we have to we have to do it.

1248
00:58:25.019 --> 00:58:30.900
I think I'm going to go in without too much of an opinion, except

1249
00:58:30.900 --> 00:58:36.960
for the Brannan Braga Rick Berman excuse that they made, which was

1250
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:41.760
we were trying to tie up the whole of 90s Trek rather than just

1251
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:43.559
Enterprise. and see how that works.

1252
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:44.639
That's clearly true.

1253
00:58:44.699 --> 00:58:48.599
I can't wait to see all the DS9 and Voyager references that they

1254
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:50.519
make in the episode then. can't wait.

1255
00:58:50.579 --> 00:58:56.159
But I think like bookending it with the original show is a thing

1256
00:58:56.159 --> 00:59:00.539
and you can understand why they might have wanted to do that.

1257
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:03.659
I think people should be more disappointed that Enterprise doesn't

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get a 5th season, to be honest.

1259
00:59:05.219 --> 00:59:08.280
You know, that it's the 1st show that gets cancelled before 7

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seasons.

1261
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We came to that conclusion when we were watching that 2 parter

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that this was starting to roll at this point.

1263
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:15.960
Yeah, yeah.

1264
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:18.179
And when we did that wonderful Vulcan episode.

1265
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:18.960
Do you remember?

1266
00:59:19.019 --> 00:59:20.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1267
00:59:20.099 --> 00:59:20.820
At 3 Barter.

1268
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:22.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1269
00:59:22.260 --> 00:59:22.679
Yeah.

1270
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:25.380
Yeah, all right, I'm up for this.

1271
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:26.159
This will be interesting.

1272
00:59:26.219 --> 00:59:27.659
And like I said, I haven't seen it before.

1273
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:31.320
I don't have a strong opinion about it and you know me, I am a big

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00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:36.179
one for celebrating the Berman Braga era of Star Trek.

1275
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:39.539
I've often seen waving a placard.

1276
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:39.960
Yes.

1277
00:59:40.019 --> 00:59:42.539
Let's just try and remember that.

1278
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:45.300
We only just did the counterclock incident and we were both pretty

1279
00:59:45.300 --> 00:59:46.019
mean about that.

1280
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:50.579
You were quite mean about all good things when we were watching

1281
00:59:50.579 --> 00:59:53.940
that and I was very mean about endgame when we were watching

1282
00:59:53.940 --> 00:59:54.360
that.

1283
00:59:54.420 --> 00:59:56.639
Yeah, we tend not to like the finales.

1284
00:59:56.699 --> 00:59:58.800
Maybe this will be the one that sways us.

1285
00:59:58.860 --> 00:59:59.760
Perhaps.

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You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

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01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:14.820
and Nathan Bottomley.

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01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:18.480
We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find

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01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:21.480
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

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01:00:21.539 --> 01:00:25.739
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed

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01:00:25.739 --> 01:00:27.059
by Cameron Lamb.

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01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:31.619
This episode was recorded on the 19th of March 2024 and released

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01:00:31.619 --> 01:00:32.880
on the 5th of April.

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01:00:32.940 --> 01:00:36.539
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Enterprise.

1295
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:37.980
These are the voyages.

1296
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:54.780
Yeah, I think that's it.

1297
01:00:54.780 --> 01:00:56.940
Wow, I've never seen this.

1298
01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:59.340
And like I said, I just You haven't seen it through.

1299
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:01.019
No, I bowed out.

1300
01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:04.320
I just said, ah, this is for another time. can't be asked.

1301
01:01:04.380 --> 01:01:06.360
Well now's the time.

1302
01:01:06.420 --> 01:01:07.980
Now is the time.

1303
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:09.659
I'm going to have to run though, right?

1304
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:10.440
Because it's 10 now.

1305
01:01:10.500 --> 01:01:10.920
Okay.

1306
01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:15.719
Um, I'll say, but I am coming back before I go to work, so I'll

1307
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:17.039
still get to these to you today.

1308
01:01:17.099 --> 01:01:18.360
Okay, cool.

1309
01:01:18.420 --> 01:01:18.900
Cool, cool.