WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-01 at 19:28:26 1 00:00:22.019 --> 00:00:24.899 Hey, Joe. Hi. 2 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:30.059 So, tonight, we are back doing the animated series, and for the 3 00:00:30.059 --> 00:00:36.119 third time, we're farewelling an entire show, we said goodbye to 4 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:39.359 Voyager and Endgame, we said goodbye to Star Trek the Next 5 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:42.960 Generation in all good things, and now we're going to say goodbye 6 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:47.399 to the animated series in the counterclock incident. 7 00:00:47.460 --> 00:00:49.500 How do you feel about this one? 8 00:00:49.619 --> 00:00:55.679 I mean, the last scene was as moving to me as the final scene of 9 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:59.159 encounter, of counterpoint, all good things, as the camera came up 10 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:02.039 from the poker table, you know, that old woman holding up her 11 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:05.519 flower at the end of the counterclock incident, it almost moved me 12 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:06.060 to tears. 13 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:07.079 I'm sorry. 14 00:01:07.140 --> 00:01:09.959 No, this does not feel like a serious moment. 15 00:01:10.019 --> 00:01:12.900 I don't think it was supposed to be a serious manali. 16 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:16.019 This is just your average, the animated series episode where they 17 00:01:16.019 --> 00:01:17.640 happen to go, yeah, no more. 18 00:01:17.700 --> 00:01:19.260 No one's given a shit. 19 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:20.040 We're going to stop here. 20 00:01:20.099 --> 00:01:24.540 So this is, I think, by some accounts at least. 21 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:28.379 One of the best episodes of the series. 22 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:30.359 Who thinks that, Nathan? 23 00:01:30.420 --> 00:01:32.819 Jama gives it 3.5 stars. 24 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:35.760 And just to put that in some kind of context. 25 00:01:35.819 --> 00:01:41.519 He also gave only one episode of series one of Lower Decks, 3.5 26 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:47.280 stars, and that was crisis point, which we've done and we thought 27 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:47.939 was pretty great. 28 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:52.019 Are you suggesting then that jam was sort of more skewered towards 29 00:01:52.019 --> 00:01:53.939 the animated series than lower decks? 30 00:01:54.060 --> 00:01:54.840 I think so. 31 00:01:54.900 --> 00:01:59.700 I think that what's actually happening is that the more it's like 32 00:01:59.700 --> 00:02:03.719 a traditional Star Trek episode, the more jammer likes it. 33 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:08.759 And so lower decks, which is sort of Celia and Naughtier, loses 34 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:09.719 some marks. 35 00:02:09.780 --> 00:02:15.240 And for me, I think just the fact that the animated series is so 36 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:21.659 cheap and so shittily made and no one seems to be bringing their A 37 00:02:21.659 --> 00:02:25.439 game and no one's bothering, that knocks a couple of stars off 38 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:29.340 automatically when you've got something like lower decks that's 39 00:02:29.340 --> 00:02:31.740 beautifully made and well acted. 40 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:35.759 That just comes out in front, even its kind of worst episode is 41 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:36.780 better than this, I think. 42 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:38.460 It's bum to watch. 43 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:38.699 Yeah. 44 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:41.939 The weird thing is, this has like an A-list cast. 45 00:02:41.939 --> 00:02:45.659 And for the most part, A-list writers. 46 00:02:46.139 --> 00:02:49.620 Is everybody having an off day for a season and a half? 47 00:02:49.740 --> 00:02:54.300 Well, in fact, this isn't an alias cast. 48 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:58.080 This is just our regulars, there are... 49 00:02:58.080 --> 00:02:59.219 That is an alias car. 50 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:00.780 That is an alias pass, that's true. 51 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:05.639 So you've gotten a shell playing Sarah, April, and Carla 5. 52 00:03:05.939 --> 00:03:07.020 Oh, please. 53 00:03:07.020 --> 00:03:09.060 Old woman boys. 54 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:12.180 I'll have to say, this is a revelation to me, Nathan, only just 55 00:03:12.180 --> 00:03:13.620 told me this at the beginning of the call. 56 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:18.240 That was, in fact, you know, Ahura, in the old woman voice, and 57 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:20.099 Jimmy Dooan, doing the old man voice. 58 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:25.560 Uhura is also doing Carla 5, who is the other alien that we see 59 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:27.960 flying into the supernova. 60 00:03:28.020 --> 00:03:31.439 No idea she has such dextrous vocal abilities. 61 00:03:31.500 --> 00:03:35.759 Well, we actually heard her doing sort of ethereal godlike being 62 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:39.000 in them, and she was pretty great. 63 00:03:39.060 --> 00:03:41.939 That might have been the best part of Bam, her performances there 64 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:45.300 as Bem as well was a highlight of that episode. 65 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:49.439 And so as usual, Jimmy Dewan is playing all of the male characters 66 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:54.659 including Arax, who is a sort of semi-regular and an alien from a 67 00:03:54.659 --> 00:03:59.039 race that we've seen a couple of times on lower decks, Carl 4, who 68 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:04.620 is Carla 5's father, I want to say, or possibly her son, I can't 69 00:04:04.620 --> 00:04:04.979 remember. 70 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:09.479 And of course, Robert April is Carla 5's father. 71 00:04:09.539 --> 00:04:11.580 I mean, they really weren't putting a lot of thought into their 72 00:04:11.580 --> 00:04:11.879 club. 73 00:04:11.939 --> 00:04:12.960 But I think that's the other way around. 74 00:04:13.020 --> 00:04:13.620 I can't remember. 75 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:14.879 Yeah, no, it's yeah, that's right. 76 00:04:14.939 --> 00:04:16.199 Colour 4 anyway, whatever. 77 00:04:16.259 --> 00:04:19.500 Don't think the details matter too much for our enjoyment of 78 00:04:19.500 --> 00:04:19.920 watching this. 79 00:04:19.980 --> 00:04:22.139 So a couple of things, though. 80 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:30.300 So this is written by John Culver, whose real name is Fred Bronson 81 00:04:30.300 --> 00:04:33.899 and who was a massive, massive Star Trek fan. 82 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:38.100 And so Captain Robert April, who is a former commander of the 83 00:04:38.100 --> 00:04:42.959 Enterprise, who is supposed to think comes before Christopher Pike 84 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:46.500 that that name was actually in Roddenbury's notes, and it was a 85 00:04:46.500 --> 00:04:51.480 name that was briefly considered for the character of Chris Pike 86 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:58.500 and Bob April, Admiral Bob April, is, of course, the incredibly 87 00:04:58.500 --> 00:05:04.439 handsome black guy in Star Trek, Strange New World, who is Chris 88 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:05.220 Pike's. 89 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:06.540 They love bringing in. 90 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:08.939 They love bringing out the animated series references, don't 91 00:05:08.939 --> 00:05:09.060 they? 92 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:11.519 I think they do it just to annoy people, you know? 93 00:05:11.579 --> 00:05:13.259 Yeah, that's right. 94 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:15.060 But they've made him black. 95 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:15.899 That's not canon. 96 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:20.759 And of course, he's super charming and wonderful in Strange New 97 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:22.920 Worlds as Admiral April. 98 00:05:22.980 --> 00:05:26.459 Oh, I love the fact when we ever do that episode, I'm going to 99 00:05:26.459 --> 00:05:30.300 just enjoy it, know, and eventually he will be in the counterclock 100 00:05:30.300 --> 00:05:30.660 incident. 101 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:31.980 Yes, amazing. 102 00:05:31.980 --> 00:05:33.000 That series. 103 00:05:33.060 --> 00:05:35.579 Well, we have actually seen him because he is in the 1st episode 104 00:05:35.579 --> 00:05:38.040 in Strange New Worlds, which we've actually done. 105 00:05:38.100 --> 00:05:41.399 So we have seen Bob April on Entitled... didn't have the context 106 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:42.060 then did we? 107 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:42.839 We hadn't seen this one. 108 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:43.860 No, we didn't know that. 109 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:48.420 Now, the other thing is that John Culver went on to contribute to 110 00:05:48.420 --> 00:05:50.939 2 episodes of Star Trek, the Next Generation. 111 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:57.540 He co-wrote Minage a Troy, and he gets a story credit for the 112 00:05:57.540 --> 00:05:58.019 game. 113 00:05:59.220 --> 00:06:02.100 Yeah, story credit. 114 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:02.939 What does that mean? 115 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:05.160 Well, he pitched the story. 116 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:06.600 He had the idea. 117 00:06:06.660 --> 00:06:06.959 Yeah. 118 00:06:07.019 --> 00:06:08.399 So someone else could tell you. 119 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:11.100 The idea is actually a bit pony, but the telly players are really 120 00:06:11.100 --> 00:06:11.339 fun. 121 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:13.139 Well, but it depends. 122 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:15.540 It's the story rather than just the idea. 123 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:17.220 So there's more to it than just the idea. 124 00:06:17.339 --> 00:06:18.720 And the idea is pretty great. 125 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:22.139 A computer game takes over the Star Trek Enterprise. 126 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:27.540 But the basic idea of everyone kind of getting body snatched and 127 00:06:27.540 --> 00:06:31.800 then coming up, having an orgasms every time they have one of them 128 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:36.660 when they get to the next round, Nurse Okawa going, Wesley. 129 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:38.160 So good. 130 00:06:38.220 --> 00:06:39.480 So good. 131 00:06:39.540 --> 00:06:41.339 Apparently, this was as fun as that. 132 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:42.720 Clearly he's a fun royal. 133 00:06:42.779 --> 00:06:43.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 134 00:06:43.740 --> 00:06:47.160 And look, I don't think this is dreadful. 135 00:06:47.220 --> 00:06:52.079 It's okay I messaged you somewhat apologetically after I watched 136 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:54.060 this and said, I really rather enjoyed that. 137 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:57.480 Because in terms of the animated series, let's put this in context 138 00:06:57.480 --> 00:06:59.100 of just the animated series. 139 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:03.000 Yeah, this is easily the best one we've done and sort of just to 140 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:04.980 throw my hat in with jammer just for a second. 141 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:10.139 I do think because it is veering towards the TOS episode, it is 142 00:07:10.139 --> 00:07:11.759 actually more enjoyable as a result. 143 00:07:11.819 --> 00:07:12.360 It didn't feel. 144 00:07:12.660 --> 00:07:16.079 I mean, it felt like it was talking down to me a bit, but Ben felt 145 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:17.819 like it was talking down to me a lot. 146 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:23.040 This had, like you said before about so many of the sort of more 147 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:25.500 functional but fun Star Trek episodes. 148 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:29.399 It had a big space problem to try and figure out, and we're with 149 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:32.339 the crew, and they're trying to piece it all together, and it's 150 00:07:32.339 --> 00:07:34.379 only 20 minutes long, so don't take them too long. 151 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:39.360 And along the way, I did think, I know this is cheap, there's a 152 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:42.660 couple of, I don't want to say startling visuals, but interesting 153 00:07:42.660 --> 00:07:45.480 visuals, one that happens to be behind you right now. 154 00:07:45.540 --> 00:07:48.540 Yeah, so I thought that was really great. 155 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:50.220 And it gets mentioned in dialogue. 156 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:55.500 It's the bit where space is white and the stars are black. 157 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:59.939 And essentially it's just kind of opposites world and what is the 158 00:07:59.939 --> 00:08:02.399 opposite of what is essentially completely arbitrary? 159 00:08:02.459 --> 00:08:04.019 But who cares? 160 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:05.819 Like, I'm kind of here for it anyway. 161 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:06.899 I think it is pretty fun. 162 00:08:07.019 --> 00:08:11.100 I will say there was, there was a moment in this episode as well 163 00:08:11.100 --> 00:08:14.339 during the sort of jazzy... 164 00:08:14.459 --> 00:08:15.360 Music was a place. 165 00:08:15.420 --> 00:08:19.259 I was sort of doing this mad sort of Spanish dancing in my living 166 00:08:19.259 --> 00:08:22.319 room and my other half walked past the door and just went, I'll 167 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:22.860 leave you to it. 168 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:27.899 The music on the animated series. 169 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:30.779 I mean, it's a little limited because I think there are basically 170 00:08:30.779 --> 00:08:31.680 3 cues. 171 00:08:31.740 --> 00:08:35.879 One that goes, da da da da da. 172 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:36.960 And the jazz. 173 00:08:37.019 --> 00:08:39.779 But it's, again, it's more fun than 90s tricks. 174 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:40.500 Oh, yeah. 175 00:08:40.500 --> 00:08:44.580 I feel I feel like this is sort of an antecedent of the original 176 00:08:44.580 --> 00:08:47.940 series rather than a precursor to TNG. 177 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:49.320 Yeah, I think that's right. 178 00:08:49.379 --> 00:08:51.360 All right, what do you think? 179 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:51.840 we go in? 180 00:08:51.899 --> 00:08:54.360 I don't think we're going to say much more than that if I'm 181 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:54.659 honest. 182 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:55.259 No. 183 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:56.759 All right. 184 00:08:56.820 --> 00:08:57.539 I kind of see him. 185 00:08:57.600 --> 00:08:59.700 I'll just be laughing throughout all of this, all right? 186 00:09:00.539 --> 00:09:02.159 All right. 187 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:08.580 Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off. 188 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:11.220 Oh, can I tell you something really appalling? 189 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:12.299 What's that? 190 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:15.720 This will, the, this fact will fill you with horror. 191 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:19.019 That you fast forward through the opening credits of the original 192 00:09:19.019 --> 00:09:20.700 Star Trek, but not this. 193 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:23.879 I listen to this one every single time. 194 00:09:23.940 --> 00:09:27.480 And every time I just can't bear to listen to the COS music. 195 00:09:27.539 --> 00:09:35.399 This sort of lounge music TOS, this da, da, da, da, da. 196 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:36.600 Yeah, he's growing on me. 197 00:09:36.659 --> 00:09:40.440 I have to say, like just coming back to it and just thinking how 198 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:44.159 crushingly disappointed you would have been as a child. that this 199 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:45.779 is what Star Trek is now. 200 00:09:47.220 --> 00:09:51.600 But I think maybe you're right that the music, the opening music 201 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:52.139 is pretty great. 202 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:54.960 Well, you remember when we dug up all the facts about the animated 203 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:57.120 series, and they were like, 0 my God, it's really popular. 204 00:09:57.179 --> 00:09:58.860 We've got to do more Star Trek. 205 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:00.899 The reruns are, the ratings are through the roof. 206 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:03.600 Yeah, but we've broken up all of the sets. 207 00:10:03.659 --> 00:10:06.720 And basically none of their crew can be asked to come into the 208 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:11.940 studio and this is the, you know, backward, half hide, attempt. 209 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:16.259 They need to bring us fresh Star Trek, that's how I'm, although 210 00:10:16.259 --> 00:10:20.399 you know, we, as we've said as well, there are Voyager and TNG 211 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:23.940 animated segments, are there, which are just glorious? 212 00:10:24.059 --> 00:10:25.139 Yeah, yeah. 213 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:25.980 Yeah. 214 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:29.639 I would be behind a Voyager season or 2 in the animated series 215 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:30.120 style. 216 00:10:30.179 --> 00:10:33.120 In the style or in the style of lower decks. 217 00:10:33.179 --> 00:10:33.659 How about that? 218 00:10:34.379 --> 00:10:36.960 So here we are. 219 00:10:37.019 --> 00:10:40.860 This guy, we're about to go to the planet Babel, aren't we? 220 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:45.179 Which gets mentioned a few times in, oh, there's an episode called 221 00:10:45.179 --> 00:10:48.720 Babel one, isn't there, of Enterprise series one, apart from 222 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:49.799 journey to. 223 00:10:49.860 --> 00:10:52.139 And German. in TOS, yeah. 224 00:10:52.259 --> 00:10:52.620 Yeah. 225 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:55.860 You know, he looks like that old man, Mr. April. 226 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:57.899 Like everyone else on the show. 227 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:01.440 Well, you know, you remember when Captain Pike was inside, you 228 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:03.659 know, the machine that kept him alive? 229 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:05.340 He looks like him there. 230 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.039 Do you know, I noticed they do that impressive sort of high angle 231 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:13.980 shot as a show started. 232 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:16.980 But I think they start with that shot on every single episode. 233 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:24.299 So she was a medical officer aboard like a very early ship or the 234 00:11:24.299 --> 00:11:25.860 1st ship with warp drive. 235 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:33.659 So this is counter, like contradicted by the show enterprise, which 236 00:11:33.659 --> 00:11:36.059 therefore, I think, is not canon. 237 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:39.720 They had to make some fucking sexist remark, didn't they, as 238 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:39.899 well? 239 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:42.960 Oh, it's good to know that she's as beautiful as she is 240 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:43.379 intelligent. 241 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:46.200 Well, they ain't saying that about Mr. April, are they? 242 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:47.399 No they aren't. 243 00:11:47.460 --> 00:11:48.659 They're not patronising him. 244 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:52.200 And I did find it very odd that she was walking around with this 245 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:52.679 lily. 246 00:11:52.740 --> 00:11:55.559 Yeah, this ugly, ugly flower. 247 00:11:55.620 --> 00:11:58.559 If only if it was pertinent to the plot, you know? 248 00:11:58.620 --> 00:12:01.679 Yes, if it comes into the plot in some way, that would be very 249 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:02.340 interesting. 250 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:07.740 Now, I was getting huge too short a season vibes from this. 251 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:12.240 So you remember too short a season, which is the... 252 00:12:12.779 --> 00:12:15.480 No, no, don't, no, no, no. 253 00:12:15.539 --> 00:12:17.700 In too short a season, they get younger. 254 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:20.759 Do you remember that Admiral comes on board the ship and it's a 255 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:23.519 young man in shitty age. 256 00:12:23.580 --> 00:12:27.120 Like, his face is about 3 metres. 257 00:12:27.179 --> 00:12:28.500 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 258 00:12:28.500 --> 00:12:30.120 There's so much latex on his face. 259 00:12:30.179 --> 00:12:30.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 260 00:12:30.899 --> 00:12:32.700 It's really, really bad. 261 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:34.559 And then he gets younger. 262 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:36.899 I did nobody in this episode. 263 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:39.240 When they started talking about the de-agent, that all the crew 264 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:40.500 were going to be kids by the end. 265 00:12:40.500 --> 00:12:45.659 And as a, you know, lifetime fan of Rascals from TNG. 266 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:48.240 I'm always behind de-aging the crew. 267 00:12:48.299 --> 00:12:51.179 Except it was just kind of boring, really. 268 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:54.059 It's a bit different from usual. 269 00:12:54.179 --> 00:12:56.039 Captain Cook is a little bubba. 270 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:59.879 So the memory alpha article goes on about how expensive that was 271 00:12:59.879 --> 00:13:02.159 because they had to actually do a drawing. 272 00:13:02.220 --> 00:13:03.480 Do you know what I mean? 273 00:13:03.539 --> 00:13:07.080 Like they had to draw some versions of the characters that were 274 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:07.500 younger. 275 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:11.100 That's how they felt about, you know, the black stars on the white 276 00:13:11.100 --> 00:13:13.200 thing and they went, oh, just throw some ink at a page. 277 00:13:13.259 --> 00:13:13.919 There you go. 278 00:13:13.980 --> 00:13:15.120 That'll do. 279 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:18.840 Oh, dear. 280 00:13:18.899 --> 00:13:20.159 They had to do a drink. 281 00:13:20.220 --> 00:13:21.659 Should you read every part of this, then? 282 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:22.740 all old drawings. 283 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:23.940 Yeah, I think so. 284 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:25.379 It's just the same old characters. 285 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:28.379 Look, you know, like there's just very limited things that they 286 00:13:28.379 --> 00:13:28.620 do. 287 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:30.179 So it's very expensive. 288 00:13:30.299 --> 00:13:30.960 They have to draw them out. 289 00:13:31.019 --> 00:13:32.820 They have to draw them a couple of times because by the end 290 00:13:32.820 --> 00:13:34.139 they're babies. 291 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:36.600 I don't believe this was made cheap, though. 292 00:13:36.659 --> 00:13:37.500 So where did the money go? 293 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:39.659 Do you think it's on getting the actors back to play those roles? 294 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:41.639 I bet I bet Shatner weren't cheap? 295 00:13:41.700 --> 00:13:42.659 Isn't this cheap? 296 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:43.980 This is cheap as well. 297 00:13:43.980 --> 00:13:47.639 No, it looks cheap. but I don't think it was cheap to make. 298 00:13:47.700 --> 00:13:48.600 Really? 299 00:13:48.659 --> 00:13:52.259 Oh, I think the money's might have gone... 300 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:55.919 So here's Michelle again on the screen. 301 00:13:55.980 --> 00:13:58.620 Doesn't she look like She-Raw? 302 00:13:58.679 --> 00:13:59.940 He-Mads. 303 00:13:59.940 --> 00:14:01.320 Starch. 304 00:14:01.379 --> 00:14:03.360 So bizarre. 305 00:14:03.419 --> 00:14:07.620 And did you did you predict the incredible twist that she was 306 00:14:07.620 --> 00:14:08.399 speaking backwards? 307 00:14:08.700 --> 00:14:12.659 Uh, only because I've seen the Doctor Who episode, The Time 308 00:14:12.659 --> 00:14:15.240 Monster, where very similar thing happens on screens. 309 00:14:15.299 --> 00:14:17.820 Yeah, because it sounds like people speaking backwards. 310 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:19.620 That's what people speaking Beguard sounds like. 311 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:25.500 So, and and apparently the same universal language that we speak 312 00:14:25.500 --> 00:14:33.059 is how Ahura refers to English in the 23rd century. 313 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:36.480 Sorry to keep that, she really does look like She Ra. 314 00:14:36.539 --> 00:14:40.200 I expect to know to unsheath her enormous sword and come out of 315 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:40.379 them. 316 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:45.299 You know, when you do a close-up on Captain Kirk's face, he just 317 00:14:45.299 --> 00:14:48.120 has 2 expressions, which he goes between, and that's his sort of 318 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:51.840 normal soft face, and then a bit of a sort of furrow of the brow 319 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:52.980 and that's it. 320 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:55.200 That's all the animation, they do for its face. 321 00:14:55.259 --> 00:14:59.039 Well, and because and Pushatner himself is putting in almost no 322 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:00.120 effort at all here. 323 00:15:00.179 --> 00:15:02.639 Like he really just, you know, like whatever. 324 00:15:02.700 --> 00:15:03.720 Remember? 325 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:06.779 Remember between, you know, curtain calls at the theatre on the 326 00:15:06.779 --> 00:15:06.960 phone. 327 00:15:07.620 --> 00:15:10.500 How many lines have I got? 328 00:15:10.500 --> 00:15:12.179 Warp 15? 329 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:14.399 Yeah, well, 15. 330 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:16.980 Beyond the threshold, isn't it? 331 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:18.480 36 at one point. 332 00:15:18.539 --> 00:15:21.299 Why is no one turning into a load of lizards? 333 00:15:21.899 --> 00:15:24.059 I wait, Eric. 334 00:15:24.299 --> 00:15:28.379 Actually, I would like to take the opportunity to correct a 335 00:15:28.379 --> 00:15:31.019 mistake I made in a previous episode where I did say that Arax 336 00:15:31.019 --> 00:15:31.860 fact does never talk. 337 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:33.539 Yeah, no, he does. 338 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.419 He kind of has a voice like that, doesn't he? 339 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:37.500 Captain Kirk. 340 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:39.840 It's Jimmy doing his alien voice. 341 00:15:40.980 --> 00:15:43.139 I just can't believe. 342 00:15:43.139 --> 00:15:46.080 Like, they literally can't be bothered to get anyone else in. 343 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:51.240 Like they just get like someone who has proven himself during the 344 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:57.000 run of Star Trek to be an absolute master of accents and voices. 345 00:15:57.059 --> 00:15:59.279 Fucking Jimmy doing. 346 00:15:59.340 --> 00:16:03.240 You know, I think Mrs. April looks a bit like, you know, evil 347 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:05.159 Admiral Satay from the drumhead. 348 00:16:05.220 --> 00:16:07.320 No, okay, maybe, maybe. 349 00:16:07.379 --> 00:16:08.100 Yeah. 350 00:16:09.059 --> 00:16:12.960 You don't think, you don't think she looks, he, he, that she looks 351 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:13.919 like Kyla Maher. 352 00:16:14.220 --> 00:16:17.399 Wow, the old woman from Star Trek. 353 00:16:17.460 --> 00:16:19.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. 354 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:21.659 But now look. 355 00:16:21.779 --> 00:16:23.279 So, what is it? 356 00:16:23.340 --> 00:16:26.940 They're about to go through 2 supernovas that are occurring at the 357 00:16:26.940 --> 00:16:28.259 same time in 2 universes. 358 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:30.600 But we only know about creating a new style. 359 00:16:30.779 --> 00:16:32.580 I only know about one of the universes here. 360 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:37.799 There's a great shot of Scotty, who is alone in engineering, and 361 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:42.419 he's kind of standing super weird, and he just keeps standing 362 00:16:42.419 --> 00:16:44.399 there for maybe a few minutes, and we cut back to him. 363 00:16:44.460 --> 00:16:45.419 He's still standing. 364 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:47.879 The camera pans across the engineering set, though, lot. 365 00:16:47.940 --> 00:16:50.159 I've actually done a full drawing of the engineering set, but 366 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:53.460 because they have, we do it 3 times in this episode exactly the 367 00:16:53.460 --> 00:16:54.000 same pan. 368 00:16:54.779 --> 00:16:57.059 So what is it again? 369 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:00.539 One is is imploding and one is exploding. 370 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:03.659 One's creating a star and one is sucking in on itself. 371 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:04.259 Yeah. 372 00:17:04.259 --> 00:17:08.039 And that's why they can go between the 2 universes from the one 373 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:10.559 where time goes forward to the one where time goes back. 374 00:17:10.619 --> 00:17:13.079 Now, that just sounds like a bump, but it's fun. 375 00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:14.759 Yeah, no, no, I think it's fun. 376 00:17:14.819 --> 00:17:17.099 And I quite like the way that they solve it. 377 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:20.160 Like they get back there and they go, well, actually none of the 378 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:24.720 Novas that we're aware of have a corresponding one in on our maps 379 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:26.039 of the galaxy. 380 00:17:26.099 --> 00:17:29.700 So we have to make one explode. 381 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:34.259 And, and of course, the ship can't go at Warp 35 or whatever 382 00:17:34.259 --> 00:17:36.240 that... 383 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:37.440 No. still standing like that. 384 00:17:37.500 --> 00:17:39.299 He's been standing like that for ages. 385 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:40.740 Just stand up straight. 386 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:41.400 What are you doing? 387 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.339 It's back, so, you know, I think that's it. up and down the 388 00:17:44.339 --> 00:17:45.240 Jeffreys tubes lately. 389 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:52.680 But, yeah, I do love, I do love Arax, you know, I like having a, a 390 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:55.440 weird looking alien that they could never realise in the original 391 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:56.099 series. 392 00:17:56.099 --> 00:17:57.180 I don't think it's a great idea. 393 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:57.539 Yeah. 394 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:00.779 Have we had an Arax creature in Kurtzman trick? 395 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:04.200 A couple of times on load X. No, really? 396 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:04.920 a few times. 397 00:18:05.579 --> 00:18:08.519 Oh, no, the flowers will too. flowers. 398 00:18:08.579 --> 00:18:12.960 If only they went through a supernova into a place where time goes 399 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:15.000 backwards that could make that flower throw again. 400 00:18:15.059 --> 00:18:16.079 Oh, wait. 401 00:18:16.140 --> 00:18:17.579 If we go. 402 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:21.240 Look, I love that effect of the... 403 00:18:21.299 --> 00:18:23.640 It looked a bit like fairy lights on a Christmas tree. 404 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:24.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 405 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:27.960 It looked like it looked like how a teenager might decorate their 406 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:28.799 folder. 407 00:18:28.859 --> 00:18:29.460 It's cool. 408 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:30.119 Yep. 409 00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:33.960 That ink blobs on the Enterprise scanner looks terrific. 410 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:37.500 That's the sort of thing they should be doing all the time. 411 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:38.339 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 412 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:40.559 You know, you know in how in lower decks. 413 00:18:40.619 --> 00:18:43.920 They can they can put off some just spectacular visuals. 414 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:46.500 But at time, are animated so well. 415 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:48.299 You're like, is that a special effect? 416 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:49.380 Is that animation? 417 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:50.519 Yeah, yeah. 418 00:18:50.579 --> 00:18:53.940 This is the one time where our sort of my eyes were like, ooh, this 419 00:18:53.940 --> 00:18:56.160 is... 420 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:58.440 Most of the Enterprise is going backwards is kind of dumb, but 421 00:18:58.440 --> 00:18:59.460 cute, I think. 422 00:18:59.700 --> 00:19:01.079 Yeah. 423 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:04.380 So, so it is, it is having some fun. 424 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:05.519 Yeah, I think that's right. 425 00:19:05.579 --> 00:19:06.779 No, in a way. 426 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:08.220 Look, he's still standing like that. 427 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:10.079 Pass the ad prank, there he is. 428 00:19:10.140 --> 00:19:12.059 He still standing there with his hand on that control. 429 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:12.900 Go and do some work. 430 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:15.059 I don't know if you remember in BEM. 431 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:18.900 The most fun we had was being locked up in cages by weird 432 00:19:18.900 --> 00:19:19.980 primitives. 433 00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:21.359 Yeah, that was kind of bad. 434 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:24.119 And then segmenting into free just to walk away and lead them to 435 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:24.299 it. 436 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:25.920 Actually, that was quite fun. 437 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:28.859 But I think the time trap was more boring than Ben. 438 00:19:28.980 --> 00:19:32.819 No, the time trap had that brilliant bit at the end where he had 439 00:19:32.819 --> 00:19:36.720 to find the Enterprise ejector thing and thrown a bombat into 440 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:37.019 space. 441 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:37.680 Do you remember? 442 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:42.960 Along with duh, duh, duh. 443 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:44.819 So bad. 444 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:49.259 So we're all growing younger, but very quickly, apparently, and 445 00:19:49.259 --> 00:19:52.019 the, oh, the chronometers are running back there. unfortunate. 446 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:55.740 We've got 2 of the oldest people at Star Trek on the ship, just at 447 00:19:55.740 --> 00:19:56.640 the end of their careers. 448 00:19:58.259 --> 00:20:07.440 So he's, that's the, that's kind of his plot is he is 75. and he 449 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:08.339 has to retire. 450 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:12.359 And so he's going to be able to kind of say goodbye and stop 451 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:14.579 working and he doesn't want to do it. 452 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:18.299 I kind of like the technobabble here about our brains are now 453 00:20:18.299 --> 00:20:20.759 working backwards in this universe and so we can understand her 454 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:24.000 without making her go backwards on our, you know, using our 455 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:24.779 computers or whatever. 456 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:25.799 That's okay. 457 00:20:25.859 --> 00:20:28.619 I mean, it's nowhere near as fun as when Red Dwarf did this. 458 00:20:28.680 --> 00:20:30.119 No, no, you know. 459 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:33.660 But the cat, the cat has a poo in reverse. 460 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:35.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 461 00:20:35.579 --> 00:20:38.460 If only the animated series could have that fun. 462 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:40.380 I don't think that was ever going to happen. 463 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:43.799 The best thing for is a dying plant. 464 00:20:43.859 --> 00:20:46.019 Lower decks probably would. 465 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:49.200 I think lower decks is at a point now where... 466 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:51.960 Excuse me. 467 00:20:52.019 --> 00:20:55.319 I remember seeing is bummer in one episode. 468 00:20:55.920 --> 00:21:01.680 Well, it was it was decorously kind of, you know, obscured by a 469 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:04.680 decency black rectangle. 470 00:21:04.740 --> 00:21:08.279 My point is they've loosened up a bit in the intervening years. 471 00:21:08.339 --> 00:21:09.059 That is true. 472 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:12.240 So all of this stuff is kind of cool. 473 00:21:12.299 --> 00:21:13.140 Do you know what I mean? 474 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:15.660 Like this is sort of space problems that we get in Star Trek. 475 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:20.039 This is obviously higher concept and a bit stupider than Star Trek 476 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:22.619 normally does, but that's okay because it is a kid's. 477 00:21:22.619 --> 00:21:25.680 Like, you know, you have to say it's a cheap ass kid Saturday 478 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:27.240 morning TV cartoons. 479 00:21:27.299 --> 00:21:32.160 This does remind me more of next gen um idea of the week episode 480 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:33.359 this sort of backwards universe. 481 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:35.880 There's some sort of, you know, throw away idea they do it next 482 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:36.119 time. 483 00:21:36.180 --> 00:21:37.680 Timescapes or something. 484 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:38.940 Yeah. 485 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:40.319 Yeah. 486 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:42.779 Is that when he draws a smiley face on the walk paw bridge? 487 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:43.680 Yeah, yeah. 488 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:45.059 I'm just pawing it. 489 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:46.559 I really like that. 490 00:21:46.619 --> 00:21:48.180 Picard just laughs at it. 491 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:53.640 Why are we watching these other episodes? 492 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:56.160 Oh yeah, that's right. 493 00:21:56.220 --> 00:21:57.539 You chose the animated series. 494 00:21:57.599 --> 00:21:58.559 Yeah, I did choose. 495 00:21:58.619 --> 00:21:59.819 Well, we have to do it sometimes. 496 00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:02.640 Well, be ahead by the time this is finished, so we won't have to 497 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:03.359 do it again for a while. 498 00:22:03.420 --> 00:22:06.480 And it's worth remembering this is the best of the 3 again, you 499 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:06.720 know. 500 00:22:06.779 --> 00:22:08.160 Yeah, yeah. 501 00:22:08.220 --> 00:22:10.019 So far, dear idea. 502 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:13.619 You know, the one person that really doesn't come out of the 503 00:22:13.619 --> 00:22:16.859 animated series too badly is Spock, mostly because his face is 504 00:22:16.859 --> 00:22:20.640 never very animated in DOS, and to, his voice is usually quite 505 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:21.000 flat. 506 00:22:21.059 --> 00:22:22.859 So I can actually buy it, but that's him. 507 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:27.180 But again, I think that what you don't get is the subtlety of 508 00:22:27.180 --> 00:22:30.839 Nemoy's performance, like just about everyone's performance is 509 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.359 more or less raised by this method of animating. 510 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:37.140 But you can do subtlety with animation, can't you? 511 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:40.980 You could do a gentle eyebrow raise when someone's being 512 00:22:40.980 --> 00:22:41.640 sarcastic. 513 00:22:41.819 --> 00:22:45.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, but that's about all you could do. 514 00:22:45.059 --> 00:22:48.359 And like in lower decks, the characters are, you know, because 515 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:51.180 it's more expensive and animation has got better. 516 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:53.819 The characters are much more expressive. 517 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:59.160 I did love his loin earlier on when they were in the, oh, God, look 518 00:22:59.160 --> 00:22:59.400 at this. 519 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:01.319 They theme down now into a study. 520 00:23:01.380 --> 00:23:04.140 She Ra's father is in fact a child. 521 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:06.839 Yeah, he's Carl 4. 522 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:11.700 Um, which is the same kind of joke as Zaphod Beeble Brock's, the 523 00:23:11.700 --> 00:23:13.980 4th or something, whatever. 524 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:14.640 Do you know what I mean? 525 00:23:14.700 --> 00:23:16.559 I do like the backdrop here, Nathan. 526 00:23:16.619 --> 00:23:17.819 There's a lot of colour on the screen. 527 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:19.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 528 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:19.500 Yep. 529 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:20.160 Yep, yep. 530 00:23:20.220 --> 00:23:21.900 But he's a nursery. 531 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:28.559 Sorry, the line I was mentioning is when Kurt goes, Yes, he goes 532 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:32.099 how unusual that these 2 observers are here in the in the room 533 00:23:32.099 --> 00:23:33.720 while we're trying to puzzle out the problem. 534 00:23:33.779 --> 00:23:35.039 But never mind. 535 00:23:35.099 --> 00:23:36.420 I could do it with all the help we can get. 536 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:37.200 Any ideas? 537 00:23:37.259 --> 00:23:40.259 And that to me reminded me of the old kirk, you know? 538 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:43.500 This, I mean, this is so terrible, isn't it? 539 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:44.819 This is... 540 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:45.539 Is that Jimmy doing? 541 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:46.859 Because I thought this voice was really bad. 542 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:51.480 Yeah, it's Jimmy Dune doing his 2nd old man voice for the 543 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:52.140 episode. 544 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:55.500 And so he's having to reach quite deep into his reservoir of 545 00:23:55.500 --> 00:23:57.900 shitty voices to come up with something a bit different. 546 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:02.940 This antimatter universe, it's enormous, isn't it? 547 00:24:03.059 --> 00:24:04.140 It builds the room. 548 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:07.920 It sort of looks like a Christmas star, this universe. doesn't 549 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:08.039 it? 550 00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:08.460 Yeah. 551 00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:09.900 Well, this is the galaxy, I think. 552 00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:13.799 And so our galaxy, you know, like it's them doing galactic arms in 553 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:15.599 a kind of fairly crap way. 554 00:24:16.140 --> 00:24:21.059 I've got to figure this sort of nursery with the black styles out 555 00:24:21.059 --> 00:24:24.599 the window is about as visually interesting as the animated series 556 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:25.200 ever gets. 557 00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:29.940 Yeah, see, that's our galaxy there, which is much more boring 558 00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:30.359 isn't it? 559 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:33.299 Well, yeah, yeah, I do like the black and white. 560 00:24:33.299 --> 00:24:36.480 It looks a bit like the shadow spaceships from Babylon 5. 561 00:24:36.660 --> 00:24:37.859 I've never heard of that. 562 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:40.259 Oh, I'll introduce it to you one day. 563 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:42.599 Change of life. 564 00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:47.400 Well, I mean, and I mean this with all sincerity, it's better than 565 00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:49.079 this shit, but it's pretty bad. 566 00:24:49.619 --> 00:24:54.359 So again, you know, like something fun is happening here. 567 00:24:54.359 --> 00:25:01.140 And April is, you know, there is a kind of sort of character arc 568 00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:05.759 where you've got April who is reluctantly going to retire at 75 569 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:11.160 and then at the end of the episode, he's, you know, he's literally 570 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.700 become young again because he's on board of the, he's on board the 571 00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:18.720 Enterprise Bridge and he's doing space things like he always 572 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:19.380 wanted to. 573 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:24.180 And so, so he comes to life again, and that's kind of exciting. 574 00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:30.299 As you said, to me in a message, they do make a very bizarre 575 00:25:30.299 --> 00:25:30.779 choice. 576 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:34.920 Now, I said to you, it would be very old, if you were given a 577 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:37.920 chance to be young again, in this wonderful universe of Star Trek 578 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:39.960 that you choose to be old and retired. 579 00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:45.359 And he's kind of going, oh, you know, I think God would be 580 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:49.380 offended if I didn't go back to being old like he intended me to 581 00:25:49.380 --> 00:25:49.619 be. 582 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:51.660 And so I'm going to do that. 583 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:56.339 If you gave me the opportunity in this dismal world we live in at 584 00:25:56.339 --> 00:25:59.940 the moment to go back to being 18 again, I probably would turn you 585 00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:04.079 down because I don't want to be around for another 50 years to see 586 00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:04.740 where we're going. 587 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:08.819 But if I was in these enlightened times, travelling around on 588 00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:11.519 fabulous spaceships, you bet. 589 00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:15.720 If I was 75, I just want like, you know, knees that didn't hurt 590 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:20.940 all the time again. you know, like, fuck what history's gonna do. 591 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:24.420 Like, I think McCoy's got some medicine for that. 592 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:24.960 Don't worry. 593 00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:26.700 He's not in this episode, is he? 594 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:28.799 No, no, he was one at the beginning. 595 00:26:28.859 --> 00:26:30.720 I made the sexist remark to Mrs. April. 596 00:26:30.779 --> 00:26:31.619 Oh, there we go. 597 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:32.640 That was it. 598 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:35.220 He came in, said one sexist thing, and that's all he did. 599 00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:36.539 That's it. 600 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:38.279 Thanks, Dee. 601 00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:40.380 Oh no. 602 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:43.319 Uptitle said Captain Kurt. 603 00:26:43.380 --> 00:26:45.960 Oh, they're not very good. 604 00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:46.859 They got it wrong. 605 00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:47.519 Oh, wow. 606 00:26:48.059 --> 00:26:52.619 Oh my god, how much time, Nathan, before every crew member returns 607 00:26:52.619 --> 00:26:53.579 to the point of his birth. 608 00:26:53.700 --> 00:26:58.619 No, so we've got 18 minutes until the youngest crew member goes 609 00:26:58.619 --> 00:26:59.279 back in time. 610 00:26:59.339 --> 00:27:01.920 And look, there's the captain with his little baby face there. 611 00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:03.119 Little baby face coat. 612 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:03.900 Wowsers. 613 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:06.660 Do you know, I don't know if you've ever seen these pictures that 614 00:27:06.660 --> 00:27:10.740 do the rounds of them, you know, using that photo app where you 615 00:27:10.740 --> 00:27:12.359 can young up people's faces. 616 00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:14.880 No, man, they all look gorgeous. 617 00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:16.980 The whole original series crew. 618 00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:22.559 Well, it may be 18 minutes, but the episode only has 4 minutes 619 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:23.279 left to go. 620 00:27:23.339 --> 00:27:25.920 Okay, so no one's going to get back to... 621 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:27.359 They do get quite young. 622 00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:28.680 They do get quite young. 623 00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:30.839 So Spock's... 624 00:27:30.900 --> 00:27:33.539 I swear somebody at one point actually said the line. you know 625 00:27:33.539 --> 00:27:35.519 can't they just re-age us at some point? 626 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:38.160 I was like, what we normally do on Star Trek? 627 00:27:39.059 --> 00:27:41.220 With our usual skill. 628 00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:46.680 Well, it's it's the way we get Dr. Pulaski back to being just 629 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:51.420 medium old instead of like incredibly old at the end of whatever 630 00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:52.740 the fuck that episode's called. 631 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:53.279 What's that called? 632 00:27:53.339 --> 00:27:55.619 Oh, that's not contagion. 633 00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:56.160 What's called? 634 00:27:56.220 --> 00:27:57.539 Oh, I can't remember. 635 00:27:57.599 --> 00:27:58.680 No, I can't either. 636 00:27:58.740 --> 00:28:00.420 I don't mind that episode. 637 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:01.559 Everyone rats on that. 638 00:28:01.619 --> 00:28:02.279 I don't mind. 639 00:28:02.339 --> 00:28:03.119 It's the last game. 640 00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:04.079 She's such a bitch. 641 00:28:04.140 --> 00:28:06.720 Yeah, it's a Pulaski episode. 642 00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:07.380 She's pretty awesome. 643 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:10.140 It's not Dogs of Beverly Crusher, I don't care. 644 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:13.619 Oh, look how cute they all look. 645 00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:15.240 Yeah, look at little cute Kirk. 646 00:28:15.299 --> 00:28:18.059 They've lashed out and spent money on a new drawing. 647 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:19.200 It's very exciting. 648 00:28:19.259 --> 00:28:22.920 This is sort of what Star Trek 90210 would look like, isn't it? 649 00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:25.140 Oh, no, wait. 650 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.960 This is this is literally J.J. 651 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:30.000 Abrams could start with Drake, isn't it? 652 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:35.640 Oh, now Mr. April's taking command, isn't he? 653 00:28:35.700 --> 00:28:37.859 Because he's young and handsome. 654 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:39.299 Oldest youngest, if you know what I mean. 655 00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:42.180 And we even have a slightly younger drawing there of Spock. 656 00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.599 Oh, no, he's Captain April. 657 00:28:45.660 --> 00:28:48.480 Oh, these are quite cute, too, they start forgetting everything 658 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.240 because they're not getting younger, but they're weirdly going 659 00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:54.119 back in time and so they can't remember anything that happened 660 00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:57.539 before they were this age or after they were this age. 661 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:01.680 But they believe their mission is oddly. 662 00:29:01.740 --> 00:29:05.400 There was a medical bill that was involved in this episode with 663 00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:08.519 the sort of wrist strain everybody was getting from having to draw 664 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:09.539 all these extra pictures. 665 00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:11.819 Yes, even baby Axe. 666 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:13.019 Oh look at Baby Spock. 667 00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:15.960 Oh, baby Arax looks great. 668 00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:17.700 He does look cute, doesn't he? 669 00:29:20.819 --> 00:29:24.599 But Rascals takes the idea and just runs. 670 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:27.000 Oh, it's so much fun and it is so... 671 00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:28.140 He's my number one dad. 672 00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:29.819 It's hilarious. 673 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:34.619 That's so brilliant Oh, the bit... 674 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:38.039 Look at the need to look like little baby Ahura sitting on the 675 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:38.460 railing. 676 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.339 The Enterprise is going straight through that hole. 677 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:45.059 Yep, back into our real world. we go. 678 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:46.619 But look at Baby Spark. 679 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:52.500 There's a picture of all of them as babies. hang on. 680 00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.200 Why do the rest of the crew reage really from? 681 00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:56.579 What? 682 00:29:56.579 --> 00:29:57.839 little babies. 683 00:29:57.900 --> 00:30:01.319 I can't remember now how they sort of re-age as well. 684 00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.480 Oh, it's going through the transporter. that's what you always do 685 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:05.099 That is what you do. 686 00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:06.240 Oh, use the transporter. 687 00:30:06.299 --> 00:30:06.960 She just said it. 688 00:30:07.019 --> 00:30:10.559 And then this, it's so dumb, we can remain young, live our lives 689 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:11.160 over again. 690 00:30:11.220 --> 00:30:13.440 I figure that's where it was going. 691 00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:15.119 Yeah, yeah, just do that. 692 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:17.099 What a blessing it would be. 693 00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:19.259 And then we cut to our enterprise shot. 694 00:30:19.380 --> 00:30:20.400 And then they're old. 695 00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:20.940 I was like what? 696 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:24.299 No, he says, no, Sarah, I don't want to live it all over again. 697 00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:26.519 Once was enough, you're intolerable. 698 00:30:26.579 --> 00:30:28.559 Are you thinking I can't leave another? 699 00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:30.480 on it one bit is what you're saying. 700 00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:33.000 Yeah, that's so bullshit. 701 00:30:33.059 --> 00:30:34.859 It's so bullshit. 702 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:39.779 I reckon that he gets in the thing 1st gets old. 703 00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:44.640 She sees him and goes, fuck that, and goes off and finds a 20 year 704 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:46.619 old on the crew to have sex with. 705 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:49.380 That is a much better ending. 706 00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:51.000 Yeah, that's what I do. 707 00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:52.680 That's exactly what I would. 708 00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:58.019 April's heroic actions on board, the Enterprise. 709 00:30:58.079 --> 00:30:59.400 Oh, blah, blah, blah. 710 00:30:59.460 --> 00:31:02.519 And then the last line goes to Mrs. April, doesn't it? 711 00:31:02.579 --> 00:31:03.599 Yeah, yeah. 712 00:31:03.660 --> 00:31:05.160 Hang on. 713 00:31:05.220 --> 00:31:08.220 I'm going to say it for you all so you know all know how the 714 00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:10.559 animated series comes to an end, all right? 715 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.539 Oh, yeah. 716 00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:13.740 It's not yet, I'm afraid. 717 00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:15.779 Service to the galaxy. pretty soon. 718 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:16.559 It is pretty soon. 719 00:31:16.619 --> 00:31:19.319 So this ordeal is nearly over. 720 00:31:19.380 --> 00:31:21.359 I see your flower has blossomed again. 721 00:31:21.420 --> 00:31:24.480 Now we've left the negative universe. 722 00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.660 And she goes, it gave us all a 2nd life. 723 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:29.519 And that's it. 724 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:29.940 The end. 725 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:30.900 The end. 726 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:32.819 Well, yeah. 727 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:33.539 Yeah, yeah. 728 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:38.819 I mean, in a way that him getting younger, like I said before, it 729 00:31:38.819 --> 00:31:40.259 fits in with his arc. 730 00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:41.160 Do you know what I mean? 731 00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:44.220 Like, and it sort of there is something happening there. 732 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:45.839 It is a bit of a thing. 733 00:31:45.900 --> 00:31:50.099 I think the running time of the animated series. is both a curse 734 00:31:50.099 --> 00:31:51.119 and a blessing. 735 00:31:51.180 --> 00:31:52.019 Still a bit long. 736 00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:55.259 It's a curse because we can't do anything substantial at all. 737 00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:57.960 And it's our blessing because fact, fuck, they're over with 738 00:31:57.960 --> 00:31:59.279 quicker than they otherwise would be. 739 00:31:59.339 --> 00:32:03.000 Don't you think, though, that the Scott McNulty principle of every 740 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:10.200 original trek is about 10 minutes too long also applies to this? 741 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:12.599 Are you saying they should be 15 minutes long? 742 00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.140 Well, trouble with Edward got a lot done in 15 minutes? 743 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:18.180 I did, didn't it? 744 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:18.720 Yeah. 745 00:32:18.779 --> 00:32:22.380 They learn how to tell a story, though, between then and now. 746 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:23.099 Exactly. 747 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:26.819 Well, I've got to say that was by far the best we've seen so far 748 00:32:26.819 --> 00:32:28.140 from the animated series. 749 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.619 I'd give it a reasonable 6 out of 10, for example. 750 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:34.079 Yep, I'm giving it 3.5 stars out of four. 751 00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:35.279 Are you? 752 00:32:35.339 --> 00:32:36.420 Wow. 753 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:40.200 I mean, in the context of the animated series, we probably could 754 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:45.059 in the context of the wider Star Trek universe, that's Gemma 755 00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:47.400 that's probably a one. 5 star, if we were wrong. 756 00:32:47.460 --> 00:32:49.559 Yes, I think that's... 757 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.740 Maybe we should start rescoring jammer as we go through this. 758 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:54.000 That's it. 759 00:32:54.059 --> 00:32:57.000 I'll download his whole website and then just change it, put it up 760 00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:58.200 at a similar URL. 761 00:32:58.259 --> 00:32:58.799 That'd be fun. 762 00:32:58.859 --> 00:33:03.180 Please, would somebody from the audience please contact Jammer and 763 00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:06.119 let him know that we're giving his website so much traffic? 764 00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.940 Alright, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to 765 00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:20.700 find out where we're going to go next. 766 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:25.380 The counterclock incident was my excellent idea, and so it is your 767 00:33:25.380 --> 00:33:28.500 turn to Helm the Randomiser. 768 00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:30.000 What series are we going to do? 769 00:33:30.059 --> 00:33:33.299 You've got to stop having these excellent ideas, okay? 770 00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:37.799 Well, you know, me, I'm a bit lazy with choosing series. 771 00:33:37.859 --> 00:33:40.559 So, um, I'll just do the franchise. 772 00:33:40.619 --> 00:33:40.859 Yeah. 773 00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:42.839 I always think it's quite nice to sort of jump about. 774 00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:43.980 Yep. 775 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:45.960 Okay, off we go. 776 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:52.559 Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season three, episode 777 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:53.160 20. 778 00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:55.559 Oh, Mr. Harry Kim episode. 779 00:33:55.619 --> 00:33:56.640 Favourite son. 780 00:33:56.700 --> 00:34:01.440 Oh, that's the one where he finds out he's, in fact, not from 781 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:07.259 Earth, but descended this of this sort of all-female civilisation 782 00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:08.519 he has to have sex with them all. 783 00:34:08.579 --> 00:34:10.139 Yeah, it's terrible. 784 00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:11.219 Let's not do that one. 785 00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:11.639 Okay. 786 00:34:13.500 --> 00:34:15.900 Oh, the Elysian kingdom. 787 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:16.559 What a shame. 788 00:34:16.619 --> 00:34:18.119 We could have watched that again. 789 00:34:19.380 --> 00:34:24.599 Equinox part two. got the round demise set to previous episodes. 790 00:34:24.659 --> 00:34:25.679 Yes. 791 00:34:27.659 --> 00:34:29.219 Ooh. 792 00:34:29.219 --> 00:34:30.300 It's a to par though. 793 00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:34.800 Your round of Star Trek D Space 9 episode is season three, episode 794 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:35.219 20. 795 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.500 Improbable Cause. 796 00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:39.480 It's fucking brilliant. 797 00:34:39.539 --> 00:34:42.719 But I know, I know we can't do that one. 798 00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:44.460 So I'm stupid more than that. 799 00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:47.280 Okay. 800 00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:49.320 Oh, okay, it's another DS9 episode. 801 00:34:49.380 --> 00:34:53.099 Your random Star Trek Deep Space 9 episode is season 3 again. 802 00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:54.780 Episode 16. 803 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.760 Profit motive. 804 00:34:56.820 --> 00:34:58.019 Is that bad? 805 00:34:58.079 --> 00:34:59.340 It's not profit and lace. 806 00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:04.619 No, it's the one where Zek comes to the station and he's rewritten 807 00:35:04.619 --> 00:35:09.360 all the rules of acquisition and essentially turning the Ferengi 808 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:12.840 into an enlightened society and it's because he's been with the 809 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:14.460 prophets and they've changed his ear. 810 00:35:14.460 --> 00:35:19.019 And Quark's trying to figure out what the hell's going on. 811 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:20.940 So it's not a bit. 812 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:25.199 He's just genuinely doing it because he's been, uh, he's been 813 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.900 changed, he's had a, a religious experience. 814 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:34.260 Quark reads the new set of rules and he thinks there's like secret 815 00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:35.699 code in there somewhere. 816 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:40.500 So he takes the 1st word of every rule and starts reading it out 817 00:35:40.500 --> 00:35:45.900 and it's just a, if never keep good, a good smile, honestly. 818 00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:48.539 No, no, no, that's nonsense. 819 00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:49.619 I mean, it's quite funny. 820 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:50.760 It's quite funny episode. 821 00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:55.559 It's like, it's, it's early and we've done a lot of late DS9 or we 822 00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:56.639 have done a lot of DS9. 823 00:35:56.820 --> 00:35:58.920 I don't mind happy to do that. 824 00:35:58.980 --> 00:36:00.059 I'll let you call this one. 825 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:01.559 It's Wallace Sean, so it's fine. 826 00:36:01.619 --> 00:36:02.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 827 00:36:02.460 --> 00:36:04.500 No, that's that's definitely a winner. 828 00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.780 We've only done one of his before. would be awesome. 829 00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:07.860 Let's do it. 830 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:08.760 Brilliant. 831 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:19.440 You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford 832 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:20.639 and Nathan Bottomley. 833 00:36:20.699 --> 00:36:24.179 We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find 834 00:36:24.179 --> 00:36:27.119 subscription links and links to our social media accounts. 835 00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:31.739 Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed 836 00:36:31.739 --> 00:36:33.000 by Cameron Lamb. 837 00:36:33.059 --> 00:36:37.380 This episode was recorded on the 19th of March 2024 and released 838 00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:38.940 on the 29th of March. 839 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:43.260 We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Profit 840 00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:44.219 Motive. 841 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:02.340 It is quite a fun one. 842 00:37:04.260 --> 00:37:08.340 They put a bag over his head, because they want to take him back 843 00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:11.340 to the wormhole, and then there's a scene on the wall going down 844 00:37:11.340 --> 00:37:14.760 the corridor, and Zec's inside the bag. 845 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:15.539 You know what I mean? 846 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.219 That's okay, Quark. 847 00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:18.780 I still like you. 848 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.719 Oh, they're starting to have a bit of fun with the show. 849 00:37:24.780 --> 00:37:27.000 It's, yeah, early, yeah. yeah, yeah, yeah. 850 00:37:27.059 --> 00:37:29.940 Well, I mean, when was what was the other one? 851 00:37:30.179 --> 00:37:32.400 What was the greatest one? 852 00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:36.780 I think it probable cause and the dire cast come before that 853 00:37:36.780 --> 00:37:38.039 episode, which is... 854 00:37:38.460 --> 00:37:42.179 But that, like there, that's a huge, that's kind of a huge moment 855 00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:42.659 isn't it? 856 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:46.500 That introduces, um, it's where we find out Garak's 1st name, I 857 00:37:46.500 --> 00:37:46.739 think. 858 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:49.800 And it introduces what's his face? 859 00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:52.019 Mark, what's his face? 860 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:56.400 The guy who dies in... 861 00:37:56.820 --> 00:37:58.019 Yeah, a labyrinthine. 862 00:37:58.079 --> 00:37:58.320 Yeah. 863 00:37:58.380 --> 00:37:59.159 Yeah, yeah. 864 00:37:59.219 --> 00:38:02.219 What's lovely about profit motive is it's just loads of hanging 865 00:38:02.219 --> 00:38:03.300 time with Quark and Rom. 866 00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:04.260 And I always love that. 867 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:05.039 That would be fun. 868 00:38:05.099 --> 00:38:06.599 Let's do that. that's good. 869 00:38:06.659 --> 00:38:07.260 Yeah. 870 00:38:08.099 --> 00:38:10.800 Yeah, and we will roll that again. 871 00:38:10.860 --> 00:38:11.880 We'll roll it again. 872 00:38:12.539 --> 00:38:14.400 Bro, what again? 873 00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:18.780 Uh, the... 874 00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:20.280 Yeah, yeah, it dies cast. 875 00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:22.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. 876 00:38:22.139 --> 00:38:25.860 Well, it's completely, like, proper motive is completely different 877 00:38:25.860 --> 00:38:27.360 from tacking into the wind as well. 878 00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:28.679 You know, it's no idea, yeah. 879 00:38:28.739 --> 00:38:29.280 It's early. 880 00:38:29.340 --> 00:38:30.719 Early fun. 881 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:32.039 Hang time. 882 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:33.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 883 00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:36.239 There are no empires to juggle at this point. 884 00:38:36.300 --> 00:38:37.199 No, that's right. 885 00:38:37.260 --> 00:38:37.800 Not yet. 886 00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:39.360 It's quite nice as well. 887 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:39.960 That's quite nice. 888 00:38:40.019 --> 00:38:41.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 889 00:38:41.099 --> 00:38:44.039 There's a B plot in that one. 890 00:38:44.099 --> 00:38:46.679 Hang on a minute, because this is, they had a little run, late 891 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:49.440 series 3, where all the B-bots are really fun. 892 00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:50.460 Oh, really? 893 00:38:50.460 --> 00:38:55.440 Is this the one where Jay can not go out on the date together, is 894 00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:55.679 it? 895 00:38:55.739 --> 00:38:58.079 Not together, but with 2 different women. 896 00:38:58.139 --> 00:38:59.579 That would have been great. 897 00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:01.559 That was going some profit motive. 898 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:05.519 Or is it, it's not the one where Bashir is... 899 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:10.440 The one he lost out the, um, you know, the prestigious award 2 is 900 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.679 visiting the station and everyone's telling him, that's quite fun 901 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:14.099 as well. 902 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.920 Bashir gets nominated for a medical award, which he ends up not 903 00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:17.219 winning. 904 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.460 Oh, yes, it's really funny. 905 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:26.519 Odo comes on and goes, you know, doctor, I've heard a rumour that 906 00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:28.320 the, da, da, da, da. 907 00:39:28.380 --> 00:39:31.739 And you don't, all these 5 people in turn the room. the woman, does 908 00:39:31.739 --> 00:39:33.960 he meet the woman who gets that award later on? 909 00:39:34.019 --> 00:39:34.619 Is that... 910 00:39:34.619 --> 00:39:39.420 Don't think that's that episode. another episode where... his 911 00:39:39.420 --> 00:39:41.099 rival is on the station. 912 00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:45.420 And then he builds up to saying hello to her. 913 00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:47.400 She walks straight past him and ignores him. 914 00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:50.760 And then everyone's sort of consoling him going, well, you know 915 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.039 she did beat you to the to the 1st prize. 916 00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.820 Oh my god, and it's got tiny Ron. 917 00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:00.960 Yeah, he's the one holding the Zec in the bag. 918 00:40:01.019 --> 00:40:02.219 He actually gets a line in this one. 919 00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:03.360 Oh does he? 920 00:40:03.420 --> 00:40:05.340 Well, he's playing one on the wormhow aliens. 921 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:07.559 Oh, he's in a Voyager episode as well. 922 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:10.500 He's 7 foot tall. 923 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:14.820 I think it is the only moment where they use the world for aliens 924 00:40:14.820 --> 00:40:16.739 and it's like comedy. 925 00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:17.760 Yeah, yeah. is great. 926 00:40:17.820 --> 00:40:21.719 Well, it is, they give him a religious, like he, like the, isn't 927 00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:26.519 the kind of the, the elevator pitch Zec gets religion and changes 928 00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.400 to the Ferengi thing and they all have to stop him. 929 00:40:29.460 --> 00:40:33.059 And so how do you get him to get religion on Star Trek? 930 00:40:33.059 --> 00:40:35.639 Well, make it be a real thing with a wormhole aliens. 931 00:40:35.699 --> 00:40:37.079 That's what religion is there. 932 00:40:37.139 --> 00:40:38.519 I think that's a great idea. 933 00:40:38.579 --> 00:40:42.539 There's a very deadpad moment where quark's basically trying to 934 00:40:42.539 --> 00:40:46.619 suggest that changing quark and the foreogy civilisation could 935 00:40:46.619 --> 00:40:49.619 bring about the end of the entire alpha quadrant and the world 936 00:40:49.619 --> 00:40:52.739 Hawaiians go, we think you might be overstating your case, just 937 00:40:52.739 --> 00:40:53.820 so... 938 00:40:53.820 --> 00:40:55.199 That's great. 939 00:40:55.260 --> 00:40:58.440 And you go, maybe I didn't exaggerate a little, yeah. 940 00:40:58.980 --> 00:41:01.619 So who's a basketball player? 941 00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:04.739 I am now looking for pictures of Tiny Ron Taylor.