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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are about to watch season one, episode 23 of Star Trek the Next Generation, including the animated series.

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This is the 127th episode of Star Trek.

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So we're about 18th of the way through the history of the program as it is today.

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This episode airs 2 days before my 19th birthday on the 25th of April 1988 and a big thing happens here, I think, because this episode is one of the most memorable episodes of Star Trek the Next Generation, but it doesn't do that by being good, really, in any way.

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It's a gift in every sense on a word.

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It's a gift to untitled Star Trek project because we're finally getting to do series one again.

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It's a gift to you because it's just been your birthday and you've got a Star Trek episode the same week.

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It's a gift to the franchise because Tasha Yar's finally dead and it gave us Armus as well.

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One of the greatest villains ever to appear in Star Trek.

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So, Armas has gone on to have a continued association with the program and...

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Or, you tell me, four.

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Please, detail all of them.

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I'm going to.

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So in series one, episode 8 of Lower Decks, Lieutenant Billips, who is obviously the chief engineer of the Cerritos, is suffering from nitrogen intoxication, and he yells out, Tasha, no, the garbage bag is behind you.

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So.

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Say that.

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Later that year, according to memory alpha, Mariner, in the very final episode of Lower Deck series one, threatens to feed Boimler to an armus.

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Yes, in series two, episode 6 of Lower Decks, that episode ends with the Cerritos crew prank calling, which is pretty great.

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Nathan sent me screenshots of that earlier, somehow in animation. they've just managed to make that planet look convincing.

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Or perhaps even just identical.

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And Mariner says that he looks like a big bag of crap, which is true.

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Does it cut away from him going, He does yell out.

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He does yell out stuff.

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And boiler says that we're touching your staff.

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And he goes, my staff, what are you doing?

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And the, you know, the voice is done by the guy who plays Lieutenant Shacks, Fred, Tedashora, who, um, yeah, who plays. normally they go to.

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Yeah, but bring back the original actors, you know.

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Except that he's not with us anymore.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Also understandable.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then in all in, which we watched just a few weeks ago, an episode of Discovery Series 4, has Mazzaro, who was the colourful owner of the casino, who had that sort of very weird turn of phrase, warns everyone not to act like an armus as well.

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And we didn't comment on it at the time.

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You know, Nathan, I love watching Armistly Oil Slick almost as much as a Cardassian likes cake.

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Exactly right.

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Let's get us out of the way, right?

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It's literally the single best and worst Star Trek creation ever armours.

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The closest we're ever going to get to a B movie creation is essentially a sentient oil slick that genuinely does look like a man has got a load of garbage bags over him. waving his arms about in a distressing fashion.

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They can sort of slick his way across the unconvincing planetary landscape that's been created this week in series one that just happens to be a skin of evil, which is so weird.

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What is that?

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Skin evil. explain it in the episode, don't they?

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So basically all the evil impulses of this race of people. sort of discarded into this, well, puddle of goo.

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Yeah.

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And so we're on this planet, and we have talked a little bit about this.

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The last time we did Next Generation Series one, we were on location for the Edo Planet, which was another classic.

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Yes, another classic.

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And so here we're on the series one planet set, which they do go back to a little bit from time to time, but they very rarely shoot it like this where you have the kind of, you know, the back wall of the studio is lit and it's meant to be the sky and it's really, really, really quite crap.

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And I've complained before about Star Trek, the next generation's kind of, well, in fact, the 90s Star Trek franchises kind of daytime soap opera production values.

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And that's really evident here.

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Like there's no way that this set is in any way acceptable, I think.

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But we just watched a TOS episode last week, which was...

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We complained about the set there.

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No, no, no, no.

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Yeah, no, no way, but it was on an artificial set, but it had a set piece at the end where we were looking through the gaseous clouds point of view and there was handheld how camera work going on. and it was a little bit visually dynamic, compared to this, which is all basically shot in long shot.

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How is 60s television?

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And I know, I know techniques have come on.

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But how is the work of the director?

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How does that feel more dated here than it did then?

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Yeah, it's funny because I remember really, really strongly at the time because this is my 1st Star Trek, Star Trek, the Next Generation, and I only ever watched TOS later and, you know, in bits and pieces, and as the listener might know, I haven't even seen all of it, I don't think.

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And so I was really defensive.

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I thought that this was a much better made TV show than...

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I mean, I feel like the model shots or the Enterprise...

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Yeah.

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And make us feel, because there's so much better than the shots of the Enterprise in the 60s.

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Yeah.

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And remember too, that we hadn't had the kind of remastered version and some of the episodes of Star Trek, the original series, were in a pretty bad state.

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I seem to remember watching some very, very sort of crummy transfers and stuff.

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And so, so, you know what?

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I feel like, I feel like the earlier generation versions of season one and 2 of the next generation, you know when it's a bit fuzzier, um, actually might do the more favours than cleaning them up in HD. because you can see everything, you know?

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And we've complained before about, you know, seeing the peeling makeup and things like that, things that you couldn't see before, that there is nowhere to hide in HD, unfortunately.

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And so on this set, you know, you see the back wall very clearly.

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There's a grease on it.

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It's a grease on the back wall.

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But I mean, to be fair, you still get that in Star Trek, Strange New Worlds, where you can see the effects wall and you know where the practical set ends and the effects wall starts.

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When it goes on a pump, though, and say there's a bit more detail in Strange New Wells to distract you from that.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it's visually more interesting.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like they're creating this incredibly boring looking planet and they're doing a shitty job of it.

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So they're aiming low and they're kind of not really clearing the bar.

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At least in lower decks, they're aiming high. trying to create some visual interest and they generally do that very well indeed, I think.

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So, you know.

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I circle off background so almost for a 2nd please, because I just love him so much.

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You and I are Doctor Who fans, right?

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So we're used to shitty B movie aliens turning up.

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But we don't do this too much in Star Trek, you know?

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Star Trek.

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It's usually trying to be a bit more philosophical and a bit more highbrow than this.

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Whereas I love the fact that they just go for it in this.

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And he's, and he's a total bastard as well.

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Yeah, so this one's a monster rather than an alien.

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Like, you know, Doctor Who has monsters.

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But Star Trek is aliens.

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You know, it has Americans with latex on their face pretending to be different races and stuff, but they're basically people.

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I saw a review of this on Lyra, because I thought I'd go see what people thought of this, and obviously no one likes this at all.

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And I think this is part of the reason why is that we can't take this seriously because it does have a monster in it and he's just terrible.

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Somebody that had a tagline.

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I think it was screen read or something like that.

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It was the most irredeemably bad episode of Star Trek ever.

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I don't think that's true.

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This is much better of a manhold.

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This is easily better.

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This is blissful.

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And in fact, I've got a quote here from Jonathan Brakes, if you will allow me, where he says, I think we took greater chances then than we do now.

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And he's quoted us saying that somewhere later in the run.

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I think it's sort of around series five.

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We had Patrick sitting and talking to a black oil slick.

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And what was wrong with that?

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It was absurd.

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Marvellous.

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I mean, it's true.

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Yeah, we've said this before.

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We've said that Berman comes in and he raises the floor and he probably makes them hit the ceiling a little bit more often because one and 2 are pretty rough going.

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But it's much less adventurous and much more timid, I think.

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And I think there is one aspect of this that I think actually works really quite well.

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I think I know what it is as well.

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Well, the unexpected nature of Tasha's death.

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Yeah, I think just how throwaway it is.

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And there's a problem with the show that means that this death can't matter in the way that the show and the episode wants it to.

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And if you think about it, we've had 20 episodes of Strange New Worlds, and we would be, like, think how devastated we were when Hammer dies at the end of series one after only maybe a handful of episode seven.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like it, just because the effect that it had on Ahura was so, so incredibly strong, you know, they built up that relationship, all of that sort of stuff because that show is about the relationships between the characters.

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If you ever watch the previously on Star Trek Strange New Worlds, it's all about what the characters are interacting with.

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There's nothing about space anomalies or aliens or anything like that.

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It's all about interplay between the characters.

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Here, there's none of that and there hasn't been, none of them have found their feet in the rolls yet.

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So all of the emotion around her death is absolutely unearned and completely forced.

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And so they make an attempt to make it matter at the end.

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So they give her a senseless death in act one.

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They try and make it matter at the end, but it absolutely just face plants because there's nothing there.

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Who the fuck records a 10 minute eulogy for their own funeral.

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I mean, if it had been a few weeks later, Dr. Pulaski would have been there and none of it would have made it.

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What do you do?

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Redo it every time there's a new crew member coming in.

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Well, yeah, like there's only how many people on the ship?

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You know, like she, she knows who's going to be there. because there are only, you know, 8 other people or whatever on the entire ship.

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It is a bit crazy.

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That is the most unintentionally funny 5 minutes of Star Trek we've watched yet.

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I cannot wait till we get there.

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But it's so, soap, isn't it?

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With that dreadful synth music, overdone melodrama, the appalling dialogue.

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And Denise Crosby is delivering it, unfortunately.

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So on every level, it fails to move me.

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Well, but it's worse than so because soap opera is about relationships between the characters.

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And when you kill a character off.

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The fun of that is watching all of the other characters interact and how they react to that.

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Look at what happens later on when they take Terry Farrell out of DS9.

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It completely changes the status quo and all the relationships on that station because that is a character show.

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Next week, we just have another adventure and Tasha's not there.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And we get a mention of what, once, twice a year, maybe, or if we're lucky.

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Yeah.

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And I think there are some good mentions of it.

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Like I think that the way that data is, you know, data has sex with her in episode 2 of this season and and his relationship with her and even her kind of, there is a sort of acknowledgement of that, this episode, just in the way that she speaks to him, they're playing it, you know, that way, I think, or I'm reading it into it, but certainly it works, if you're aware of that.

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Remember in Measure of a Man, there's something about that, and doesn't he have a little hologram?

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Data has a little crystal that has a hologram of Tasha delivering that speech.

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They are cute moments, but it's unearned because there's no relationship here.

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No, that's right.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And it's, I think now it's misremembered as being something more vital than it actually was.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. which is just a gag in the naked now and this moment here, you know.

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So by all accounts, there were some issues with how to write Tashiar out in this episode.

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So Memory Alpha tells us, at the time this episode was written, several rumours have been servicing that Roddenberry's lawyer, Leonard Mayach, it's a strange name, was rewriting a majority of the season's script, an illegal act in terms of the writer's guild policies.

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According to one source, he was responsible for the dismal manner of Yar's demise.

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I wanted to be sure that Roddenberry's story idea was enforced and that Yar's death happens as a matter of course during a dangerous mission, despite the differing views held by various writers involved in the story.

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In the end, there was a considerable controversy amongst the show's staff regarding this death.

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Some felt it was cynically manipulative, while others felt that swift death made sense to avoid sentimentality.

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They did not avoid sentimentality at all.

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No, I think that in fact, that's the best aspect of it.

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That they kill her in act one and that it's absolutely clear that she's dead.

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And I think that that kind of raises the stakes a bit, but it doesn't really matter.

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We could have had the episode without it.

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But I think that's well done.

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I think that it really wrong foots the audience, the episode doesn't end up really being about that as such.

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And, you know, like, like, imagine if they tried to make the episode about that.

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Like, like the show can barely manage to get this death right when it's just incidental kind of at the beginning.

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If the whole thing had been this sort of gloopy, incredible kind of thing.

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And and let's remember that we get to do it right later, that the show, once the show gets good, it brings her back and redoes her death and allows her to die in order to save the timeline.

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They do.

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And that was our very 1st episode of Untitled.

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We covered it really well there, but they can't let it go, can they?

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No?

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So it turns out at some point had sex with a wrong... they ruin it.

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And in a great, one of the greatest soap opera twist ever.

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Although we play enough Romulan is dismal.

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The twist itself is wonderful.

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It is pretty great.

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Yeah, yeah. one of my 1st memories of it is actually hearing that that was the cliffhanger with before I'd seen it and thinking, holy crap, what is what's going on here?

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Getting off a regular, it's just something we don't get to do very often in Star Trek because most people, you know, are there for the entire course.

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I do think it's done, the same thing happens when Dax dies.

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It's done in a very quick scene.

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It's a villain literally tossing her aside.

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Yeah, but it just has the consequences that sort of thing needs, you know, in terms of plot and in terms of character.

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Whereas here, it's literally throwaway, isn't it?

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She's just frozen.

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I feel as if I said to you, I feel as if Broadenbury, you know, she's like, Gene, I've had enough.

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I'm not doing this.

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He's like, right, fine.

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Just have the villain wave his wrist and she's gone.

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Although I actually think that all of the stuff that she does in the lead up to this episode, and I don't, I didn't see this in memory alpha, but I have a strong memory at the time of her saying, if they had written more scenes like the one between her and Worf in the cold open, she would have stayed, because I think that scene is great, and maybe one of her best scenes in her run on the show.

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And a lot of those scenes come up for all the regulars for the remaining 6 years.

203
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So maybe she should have just sort of waited a little bit.

204
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Although she still would have been the same problem with what she was complaining about, which is you get an episode twice a year. you know, and you can do other work where you're the focus all the time and fair enough, but on an ensemble show.

205
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The trouble with Tasha Yar as a character is, one, I just don't think the backstory works, this whole coming from this terrible planet with rape gangs, that's just icky and they should never have gotten that.

206
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They certainly never should have done a flashback to that in an earlier episode.

207
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Who, they just write her in the most over the top way any character has ever been written for, they're beaten hide and queue, where she's putting Hugh's penalty box, and she's like, what am I doing?

208
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Crying.

209
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And Picard's like, I've created a new rule.

210
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It is okay to fry in the penalty box and it's just agonisingly terrible.

211
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And I think Denise has scenes like that in series one.

212
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Everyone has agonisingly terrible scenes.

213
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No, no one as well.

214
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As melodramatic as Tachio, no. everyone has their moments, but poor Tasha.

215
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When she's cuddling that kitty cat in one episode, just say no drug scene in that episode. miserable.

216
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You know, justice.

217
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There was a few moments of justice that we you know, we were lamenting.

218
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So really, it does feel like putting a sick dog down.

219
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Well, I'm not quite as negative about her as that.

220
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Because I think that on that basis, you would have killed off Deanna, who I think, like, I think that...

221
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Justifiably in my book.

222
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Oh, no, I think she has a terrible episode this week and it's down to the writing and to the conception of the character, I think.

223
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Although it does mean that sort of in all future conversation, now I've got to start saying things to you like, you know, Nathan, I can censor pain and anguish.

224
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I feel real pity for you.

225
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Although, we'll get there, the bit where she does show empathy and he punishes her for it. by dragging Riker into the oil slick.

226
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I thought that was...

227
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I'll tell you what, I'm going to be mercilessly cruel and sarcastic about this episode because it is fairly appalling television every way you can measure it.

228
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I also have one of the best times watching Star Trek.

229
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It's really fun.

230
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In Asia for UTSB watching this.

231
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So I think it is brilliantly watchable for all the wrong reasons.

232
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Yeah.

233
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All right.

234
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I think we should go in.

235
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I don't know I'm not sure I've had this much fun with no generation since sub Rosy, you know?

236
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Yeah, yeah.

237
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Well, for the same reason I think.

238
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I'm sort of like at the same point in the 1st of last season.

239
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Yeah.

240
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Oh, yeah.

241
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All right.

242
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I'll count it in.

243
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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

244
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And our spectacular model shop.

245
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Perfectly convinced this is going to be a very polished production.

246
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It's the same one that they show at the beginning of every single episode.

247
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So back in the day, you know, they used to go to Pacifica and they would pick people up from conferences and stuff.

248
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I actually thought that that made the ship seem a little bit exciting and kind of created a world for them that they belonged in.

249
00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:28.380
It's interesting because I do actually pick up Councillor Troy in this, but in later seasons, when they want to write Marina Sotis out, there's a number of episodes where it doesn't appear. and they just go, she's at this conference.

250
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That's why she's not here this week.

251
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Well, I thought that they did that a bit in series one because they're a bit iffy about whether they were going to keep her on.

252
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I could be wrong about that.

253
00:21:37.619 --> 00:21:39.839
So this...

254
00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:41.279
Okay, why they came to that conclusion.

255
00:21:41.339 --> 00:21:43.440
So this is the scene that I was talking about.

256
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This is a scene that I was talking about before, which is the scene where, so she, look at that smile. but she's still eye rolling and doing that wee half smile.

257
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She can't play any of it naturalistically.

258
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No, no, but this is Star Trek.

259
00:22:00.539 --> 00:22:01.980
No one needs to play it naturalistically.

260
00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:05.279
What she's doing, though, is showing a bit of vulnerability.

261
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Like, I thought that that was really quite sweet that she shows a little bit of vulnerability, which I thought was really cool.

262
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You not think she showed vulnerability when she was crying in the penalty box?

263
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Yeah, yeah, but this was kind of nice.

264
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And it was a little bit of sort of, it was banter that puts Voyager flight deck banter in the shade.

265
00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:29.819
No, but then we cut to Picard going, it'll be very nice to see Kowsla Troy again, won't it, break out?

266
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He's like, oh, 70 will, sir, yes.

267
00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.619
Oh, no, just no tall iPad.

268
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I know we always bring this up, but the way they lean back in these chairs and see.

269
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That's going to do your back, I'm telling you.

270
00:22:43.019 --> 00:22:43.799
Yeah, yeah.

271
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Those chairs.

272
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Well they don't last, do they?

273
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Like they they do end up being able to sit up right?

274
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Have you noticed as well?

275
00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:55.380
They actually have got the lights quite dim there because there's shadows everywhere.

276
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Have you noticed?

277
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Normally it's that sort of flat mat lighting that we get on the bridge.

278
00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:08.519
Well, I think that series one and series 2 look visible, like why the fuck are people wearing these overalls in series one as well?

279
00:23:08.579 --> 00:23:12.900
Do you notice how the fella says his whole name every time he comes on the com?

280
00:23:13.019 --> 00:23:19.500
Yeah, so this is Leland T. Lynch, and I don't quite know what's going on here, I have to say.

281
00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:22.319
Because he says his name a bunch of times.

282
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And of course, we don't have a regular chief engineer on the show.

283
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They've decided they're not going to make that a regular role.

284
00:23:33.779 --> 00:23:36.359
And then they just they do.

285
00:23:36.420 --> 00:23:42.539
Well, because what happens is they've got warfood doesn't seem to do anything but just hang around on the bridge saying things.

286
00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:54.299
And you've got Geordie who's sort of sitting in a chair and you kind of think, well, now that we've got rid of one of the regulars, we're clearly making wharf, giving that horrible shot, that shot.

287
00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:58.380
Look at that, where we're looking down on the entire bridge and we see...

288
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So much dead space in it.

289
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:02.400
Yeah, for the cameras to roll up and down.

290
00:24:02.460 --> 00:24:04.019
Like, that's why it's there.

291
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:07.079
You shouldn't expose that to everybody, though.

292
00:24:07.619 --> 00:24:08.400
That's right.

293
00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:10.440
So, you know what I mean?

294
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They rationalise it.

295
00:24:11.339 --> 00:24:14.759
So they they go, screw this stuff with just make Geordie, the chief engineer.

296
00:24:14.819 --> 00:24:16.079
He does great techno babble.

297
00:24:16.140 --> 00:24:16.619
He'll be perfect.

298
00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:26.160
I mean, when it becomes a phenomenon, they could have just had like some fabulous guest, famous celebrity playing the engineer every week if they kept this up.

299
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:27.480
Yeah, yeah.

300
00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:31.920
Well, I mean, you know, like a little bit like Strangely World Steed series, too.

301
00:24:31.980 --> 00:24:34.079
Hello, this is Judy Denshi.

302
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:37.859
Impulse power, of course. would be great.

303
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:40.380
No, imagine the people you could get in, though.

304
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:40.859
Come on.

305
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:41.880
Yeah, tell you.

306
00:24:41.940 --> 00:24:50.579
I think that, you know, Walker Boone is the name of the accent who plays Leland T. Lynch, which is just his name. can't say the whole name, can you?

307
00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:53.279
It's as good a name as Leland D. Lynch actually.

308
00:24:53.339 --> 00:24:57.119
Hello, Joe Michael Ford here, reporting podcasting duty.

309
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Tell me your middle name now.

310
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:02.279
I don't have one.

311
00:25:02.339 --> 00:25:04.920
It's a funny thing but I just don't have one at all.

312
00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:06.119
It's enough on its own.

313
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:09.180
Yeah, I've got plenty going on there.

314
00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:13.440
But is he?

315
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:17.160
I'm going to count how many times he says it. 4 times.

316
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:17.700
Yeah.

317
00:25:17.819 --> 00:25:22.740
Do you think he's like just trying to get noticed and it's kind of like, well, maybe he can be the chief engineer.

318
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:26.400
We need a white guy for some reason, to be a guy.

319
00:25:26.460 --> 00:25:27.779
Like, you feel like that's a character.

320
00:25:27.779 --> 00:25:32.339
Lower tech should pick up on. somebody should just go, do you think you're somebody?

321
00:25:32.460 --> 00:25:34.079
Yeah, yeah.

322
00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:40.680
Although we've got, we've got Lieutenant Billips, who is a pretty great chief engineer, I have to say, as chief engineers go.

323
00:25:40.740 --> 00:25:46.500
We talked a bit off camera about the incidental music in this episode.

324
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:55.920
He said it's Ron Jones, who I think is probably the best musician Star Trek ever had in terms of sort of driving an atmosphere and a bit of drama into the show.

325
00:25:55.980 --> 00:25:56.700
Yeah.

326
00:25:56.700 --> 00:26:00.420
Sorry, away from the original series where the music's just fabulous, obviously.

327
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:02.880
Oh, yeah. and Kersman Trak, where the music's good as well.

328
00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:05.039
But in 90s track, he's really strong.

329
00:26:05.099 --> 00:26:15.000
And here, I think, he does create a sense of it, sort of foreboding and a sense of strangeness already.

330
00:26:15.059 --> 00:26:20.579
Even the standard stuff. 1st go down onto that dreadful planet set, right?

331
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:23.160
And the camera just pans across before they beam in.

332
00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:26.819
There's a weird music playing.

333
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.240
Like, why is why is Riker sitting like that?

334
00:26:30.299 --> 00:26:30.779
He behind it.

335
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:31.319
Like, look at that.

336
00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:32.640
Why does he seem like that?

337
00:26:32.700 --> 00:26:33.900
What's happening there?

338
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:35.940
Because he's an old man and he's very relaxed.

339
00:26:36.059 --> 00:26:39.299
Jonathan has a bad back, I think, right?

340
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:42.420
I don't think that's the reason why I'm honest.

341
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:43.500
It's strange.

342
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:50.160
But like every so often you see a shot and you go, they would never, ever shoot it like that in series three.

343
00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:52.920
Like it's it's very strange.

344
00:26:52.980 --> 00:26:53.880
There are some...

345
00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:55.680
No one looks comfortable in their uniforms either.

346
00:26:55.740 --> 00:26:57.539
This is the only uniforms, isn't it?

347
00:26:57.599 --> 00:26:59.160
And everybody said...

348
00:26:59.579 --> 00:27:03.299
It was so tight that you just couldn't get a decent pose in it.

349
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:05.640
Maybe that's why he's sitting like that.

350
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:06.960
Jonathan like that.

351
00:27:07.019 --> 00:27:08.880
And look at like look at Denise.

352
00:27:08.940 --> 00:27:11.339
Like, why is she leaning on the wall thing?

353
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:12.539
Charles Nathan.

354
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:13.200
Come on, let her.

355
00:27:13.259 --> 00:27:17.099
Yeah, she's getting some good leaning in before she...

356
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.539
Joseph L. Stanland.

357
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:20.460
Did he go on to do anything exciting?

358
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:22.799
No, I don't know. didn't look it up.

359
00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:24.900
See that, the lighting there.

360
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:26.039
Look at the lighting there.

361
00:27:26.099 --> 00:27:32.880
The way that the, the, the ceiling is lit, all of that stuff is completely different from how the show would end up looking.

362
00:27:32.940 --> 00:27:35.400
Don't have a house style yet, do they?

363
00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:35.819
No.

364
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:37.980
And I actually think quite exciting.

365
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:43.559
Well, I actually think that it's better lit or more interestingly lit in one and two.

366
00:27:43.619 --> 00:27:50.880
Obviously much worse made in all sorts of ways, but I do think that that flat studio key lighting is very boring.

367
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:55.019
Weirdly more entertaining, though, than not gameplay, sir.

368
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:56.279
Like, what came next?

369
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:57.000
It was worthy.

370
00:27:57.059 --> 00:27:58.619
What's this shot?

371
00:27:58.680 --> 00:27:59.940
Why is he sitting like that?

372
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:01.259
That's baffling.

373
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:04.619
Well, they've given them these relaxing leather chairs.

374
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:05.099
Look at that.

375
00:28:05.099 --> 00:28:05.519
Look at that.

376
00:28:05.579 --> 00:28:06.000
Look at that.

377
00:28:06.059 --> 00:28:08.279
Why is Picard set like that?

378
00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:10.319
And it is quite a tense situation.

379
00:28:10.380 --> 00:28:12.539
You think they'd all be sort of alert, wouldn't you?

380
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:13.680
Look, watch this.

381
00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:15.660
That's the camera pans around the set now.

382
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:17.819
Sure, I'll quite like the shuttle crash.

383
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:19.559
Yeah, I think the shuttle is good.

384
00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:24.720
I mean, it's clearly like far bigger inside than that models.

385
00:28:24.779 --> 00:28:28.440
We know that the oil sticks our problem because we don't normally have one on the set, you know?

386
00:28:28.500 --> 00:28:37.259
Although I do think it was a bit disingenuous for you earlier to suggest you went, it's the set from series one as if they only had one.

387
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:38.700
Well, they do.

388
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:39.960
I mean, they basically do.

389
00:28:40.019 --> 00:28:44.400
There's a planet hell set, which is where they tend to shoot alien planets on.

390
00:28:44.460 --> 00:28:48.240
That's where they've got that big wall that they all climb up with the rain coming down.

391
00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:49.559
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

392
00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:51.000
And what ends up happening?

393
00:28:51.059 --> 00:28:51.779
I mean, look at this.

394
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:59.579
You can see where the, you know, the planet is painted. like, you know, like just built up against the back wall of the studio.

395
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:04.200
I quite like these CGI effects of the slick. moving about.

396
00:29:04.259 --> 00:29:07.980
I mean, it's shit, but it, you know, props to them.

397
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:08.700
They having a go.

398
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:10.319
And that was on the original episode.

399
00:29:10.380 --> 00:29:11.099
That wasn't.

400
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:11.700
Yes.

401
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:12.900
No, no, no, I remember.

402
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:16.140
It's so...

403
00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:19.200
There wasn't TV really like this in...

404
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:20.460
That's exactly it.

405
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:23.400
So we'd had Battlestar Galactica.

406
00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:29.279
Remember after Star Wars in the late 70s, but that's nearly 10 years ago, and that was not that great.

407
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.099
I just think it's so fun.

408
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:33.480
He's such an asshole.

409
00:29:33.539 --> 00:29:37.259
What he's got to do is let him across, but he just keeps getting in their way everywhere.

410
00:29:37.259 --> 00:29:38.279
They try and go around.

411
00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:43.019
Yeah, I mean, this thing too, they just aren't sure what they're doing yet, aren't they?

412
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.900
And so it's kind of like maintain an open frequency.

413
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:47.519
It's just like, well, why don't you always do that?

414
00:29:47.579 --> 00:29:48.660
You've got an away team.

415
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:50.279
No one else is fucking doing anything up here.

416
00:29:50.339 --> 00:29:51.839
Just leave the phone on.

417
00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:55.859
Like we said, just this sort of weird monster story.

418
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:58.380
I think they could have done with a bit more of this later.

419
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:03.240
Mind you, then I complained about every time they did it in the series 7, so maybe I should just shut up.

420
00:30:03.299 --> 00:30:10.259
I kind of like, I mean, you know, Beverly has something that Gates can understand.

421
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:11.880
I'd like this too.

422
00:30:11.940 --> 00:30:25.019
So the actual pit, so they, they build a pit that's big enough for the actor playing the body of Armus. and, and, to go in.

423
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:26.400
Do you know what I mean?

424
00:30:26.460 --> 00:30:27.240
Like, and it's deep.

425
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.240
And that thing where you see the surface of it moving.

426
00:30:30.299 --> 00:30:34.920
There's something under their moving, kind of, it's metamucil, I think, is what they say.

427
00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:38.579
It's a bit weird because the consistency of it now.

428
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:43.259
And the consistency of it later when there's a person in there is very different.

429
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:46.200
Yeah, but I think this...

430
00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:47.400
A bubble is coming up.

431
00:30:47.460 --> 00:30:48.539
I like the bubbles.

432
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:51.720
And I also like the way that the light reflects off armours.

433
00:30:51.779 --> 00:30:53.519
I think is really striking.

434
00:30:53.579 --> 00:30:55.980
Like this show is not terrible.

435
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:59.460
No, this is him coming up very slowly out of the oil.

436
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:03.420
The trouble is, is when he's out and it's got his flappy arm.

437
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:11.400
There are some shots from the side as well where he's sort of halfway out of the thing, which just looks absolutely shit.

438
00:31:11.460 --> 00:31:14.160
Like, it... interesting you should say to a thing.

439
00:31:14.220 --> 00:31:15.180
It does look at me.

440
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.240
A B movie. called the thing.

441
00:31:18.299 --> 00:31:19.380
Yeah, yeah.

442
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:21.660
Yeah, it's a silhouette of it.

443
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:22.259
That's the trouble.

444
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:31.200
It's the silhouette of it and he keeps shooting it against that flat backdrop of the planet backdrop and the whole thing just looks cheap and unconvincing.

445
00:31:31.259 --> 00:31:35.220
Michael's makeup is so bad too in series one, isn't it?

446
00:31:35.339 --> 00:31:37.440
Like, they, like that.

447
00:31:37.500 --> 00:31:40.140
Like it's dripping off it, which is pretty good.

448
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.000
But it's done in reverse.

449
00:31:42.059 --> 00:31:42.599
Did you notice?

450
00:31:42.660 --> 00:31:44.339
All the oil was sucking back onto it.

451
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:45.720
So that looks quite good.

452
00:31:45.779 --> 00:31:48.660
And then unfortunately now it's just a man lolloping about.

453
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.460
But I do think that the light off it.

454
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:52.799
Do you remember the monster of the Sheliac?

455
00:31:52.859 --> 00:32:08.099
It's like an intransigent alien in a series 2 episode that just prevents them from going somewhere for no reason that I can't remember what it is, and it's sort of shot in negative space in this sort of black set, and it looks like it's wearing a big puffy black 1980s ball gown.

456
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.799
I feel like I should remember that but I don't.

457
00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:13.079
See, he's a bit like the Sheliac anyway.

458
00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:15.660
Underneath it, there's a great shot.

459
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:17.339
If everyone go, look on memory alpha.

460
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:19.259
Oh, no, wait, Tasha's about to die.

461
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:20.220
Hold baffle.

462
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:28.079
So what I like about it is just how she's doing her job in a professional, no nonsense way.

463
00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:31.079
That, like that final line of hers.

464
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.799
Like her last line, we won't hurt you, but we have to help them.

465
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:36.180
Like, that's good.

466
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:37.200
I think that's good.

467
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:42.180
I don't think anyone ever foresaw that they were going to die on this dreadful planet though.

468
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:44.400
The stunt isn't great though, is it?

469
00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:50.339
She sort of just, yeah, I thought it was better than, you might have expected.

470
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:53.039
There's a much worse sort of stunt work in this episode.

471
00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:57.779
What I love is everyone looks so appalled when she goes, she's dead.

472
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:01.980
Because like Beverly brings people back to life from the dead all the time.

473
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:04.859
Yeah, just get some cord routine, Beverly.

474
00:33:04.980 --> 00:33:06.000
We talked about that last week.

475
00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:07.500
She's out.

476
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:09.180
She didn't order her supply.

477
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:09.480
So.

478
00:33:09.660 --> 00:33:16.140
But we have that whole sequence in Sick Bay, and I think everyone's there going, even Riker goes half-heartedly.

479
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:17.339
Yeah, you did it.

480
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:18.299
He just got...

481
00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:18.960
Yeah, I know.

482
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:31.440
Like, and there's a sense in which everyone's reaction to her death and to what's going on here is that they know that it's the beginning of the episode.

483
00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:38.220
It's still act one and so they're not going to kill a regular unless it's at the end of the episode in a massive grand self-sacrifice.

484
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:40.619
So no one can quite believe that it's happening.

485
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:42.839
So we've got some handheld stuff here.

486
00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:48.299
And my memory of this as a kid was that it was incredibly dynamic and the camera kept moving and all of that.

487
00:33:48.299 --> 00:33:51.119
And now I look at it, it's like really super boring.

488
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:54.059
I mean, I think for the time for Star Trek.

489
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:54.660
This is...

490
00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:56.519
I was starting up because it might, yeah.

491
00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:59.819
I love the music in this bit, though.

492
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:03.119
Yeah, yeah, the music's really good.

493
00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:08.940
I think there's some a little bit of good acting here from Beverly as well.

494
00:34:09.059 --> 00:34:14.699
There's one bit where she just starts whispering because she keeps doing it.

495
00:34:14.820 --> 00:34:16.139
She keeps running this thing.

496
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:22.320
She keeps setting the thing and she says, she says, you know, again, again, but she's whispering for some reason.

497
00:34:23.099 --> 00:34:23.820
No, I like that.

498
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:24.420
I like that.

499
00:34:25.019 --> 00:34:28.440
But like and they just won't stop doing it.

500
00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:29.760
You know, she's a regular.

501
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:30.659
She can't die.

502
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:32.340
We have to keep doing this thing.

503
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:37.320
I can't take my eyes off that blood splat on her cheek, though.

504
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:38.039
Yeah, yeah.

505
00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:39.179
What is that?

506
00:34:39.179 --> 00:34:41.400
It's done with the sharpie.

507
00:34:41.460 --> 00:34:46.739
I've been watching watercolour challenge lately and it looks a bit like the logo to that.

508
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:55.440
Like, even it just been a bruise that would have been kind of boring, but what they've gone for is something really just much stupider than that, I think.

509
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:57.300
Cartoon blood splap.

510
00:34:57.420 --> 00:34:58.800
Yeah, yeah, it's very bad.

511
00:34:58.860 --> 00:35:04.380
It's something on a skin from the, you know, the, I don't know, but this.

512
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:14.159
So he walks over there, she says, She can't do anything more like this is her deciding that it's done.

513
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:16.019
And then he just can't believe it.

514
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:21.119
Like, he just I only cannot believe it. gone and look at how she touches.

515
00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:23.400
Look how tenderly she touches her forehead.

516
00:35:23.460 --> 00:35:24.059
I like that.

517
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:33.360
I thought that was sweet, you know, like, you know, and Gates can play this because it's clear what's going on in this scene.

518
00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:36.480
She's not having to explain anything, you know.

519
00:35:36.539 --> 00:35:37.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

520
00:35:37.380 --> 00:35:37.679
Yeah.

521
00:35:37.739 --> 00:35:40.260
But then back to the oil slick on the planet.

522
00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:41.820
Look, and it's not that great.

523
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:43.739
Like, it's still pretty shit.

524
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:47.099
But like I'm doing what I can here.

525
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:53.219
I mean, it's certainly better than the scene in the infirmary when Jadzia dies.

526
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:54.119
Oh, yeah.

527
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:57.179
Our baby would have been so beautiful.

528
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:06.480
I also want to pour one out to poor old Ben Prieto, who?

529
00:36:06.539 --> 00:36:12.480
So Ben, who everyone's forgotten about, and I think it's really slightly gross.

530
00:36:12.539 --> 00:36:19.079
So he's the black guy who is flying the shuttle and we start on his face.

531
00:36:19.139 --> 00:36:22.739
He's just kind of lying unconscious with his face on a console.

532
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.019
And when Picard comes in.

533
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:29.340
Like, it's not until he walks past him and doesn't even notice.

534
00:36:29.820 --> 00:36:34.860
You know, and it's only when Dana mentions him that it's a thing.

535
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:40.440
Also, I think what's really good is that we don't see Deanna until Tasha is dead.

536
00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:41.639
Right?

537
00:36:41.699 --> 00:36:43.199
Yeah, that's great.

538
00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:46.380
Well, I actually think the lighting is very nice as well.

539
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:47.219
It's quite moody.

540
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:48.599
You know, it's sort of...

541
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:50.880
Hunt for red October-ish.

542
00:36:51.900 --> 00:37:04.019
So what, what's sort of happening here is this should be a Deanna episode, and I think, I think that Deanna can't really hold her own in an episode yet.

543
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:10.260
I think that writing for her is so bad and the character conception is bad.

544
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.139
You know, She.

545
00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:25.320
She, she needs to have contempt for him, but because she's such a good girl, and because the dialogue says pity, like it would be much better if she just...

546
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:28.559
Player in the rum, yeah, she could, she could be...

547
00:37:28.619 --> 00:37:31.559
If she had been more brutal and vicious.

548
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:39.000
And if it had been, because what is it, he reacts to her pity.

549
00:37:39.059 --> 00:37:42.239
He reacts to being reminded of being abandoned.

550
00:37:42.300 --> 00:37:47.099
And so the way that we get out of this situation is by convincing him.

551
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:57.420
Not that he's a great terrifying piece of evil, but that he's pathetic, you know, and a great terrifying piece of evil. piece of evil.

552
00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:58.559
That was the working title.

553
00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:04.019
No, but you know, he goes on about, oh, I am evil.

554
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:05.340
I do not just serve evil.

555
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:06.239
I am evil, you know.

556
00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:11.579
Those the reason those things work for me, though. is just because he is just so relentlessly.

557
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:12.960
I'll see with everybody.

558
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.480
When Troy tries to be nice to him.

559
00:38:15.539 --> 00:38:17.159
It's like, I don't want your pity.

560
00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:19.320
And he hurts somebody.

561
00:38:19.380 --> 00:38:22.500
The more nice she is, the more horrible he is.

562
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:23.699
And that's kind of fun.

563
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:26.699
But yeah, our poor Marina service.

564
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:28.139
We are discovered.

565
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:34.860
I mean, it took us a long time, but we did eventually discover in Picard cheering one and 3 that she could act.

566
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:37.739
She needed the material to do it.

567
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:41.579
She gets drunk in 1st contact and from then on, we discover she can.

568
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:44.699
But that is after 7 seasons of the show that she goes in.

569
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:53.699
She's still great in face of face of the enemy and you know, she's pretty funny in the loss in bits of the loss.

570
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:56.280
She's, um, do you know what I mean?

571
00:38:56.340 --> 00:38:57.239
She can be arsy.

572
00:38:57.300 --> 00:38:58.920
We've seen her being...

573
00:38:58.980 --> 00:39:04.320
She's utterly contemptuous for how they wrote her when she talks in conventional appearances.

574
00:39:04.380 --> 00:39:08.159
She uses that line about, oh, they always made me a good time girl.

575
00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:09.239
I mean, look at me.

576
00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:10.559
She goes, yeah, yeah.

577
00:39:10.619 --> 00:39:14.159
No, not a good time girl, like a good little girl, a good Greek girl.

578
00:39:14.219 --> 00:39:15.119
Do you know what I mean?

579
00:39:15.179 --> 00:39:21.659
Who does all the right things and, you know, would never do anything wrong and doesn't have a sarcastic bone in her body.

580
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.420
And it's Marina, and she's fabulous.

581
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:27.300
And you just give an ounce of that to the character.

582
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:41.760
But she had to do all of this work, you know, work her way through all of this turgid, very characterisation, to come out the other side, to when the show was a success, to finally bring her own personality.

583
00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:45.179
But she had to go through all of that to get there. that's crazy.

584
00:39:45.239 --> 00:40:00.719
Well, and then you think about, like, she's, she's really distressed at the end of this episode, but I don't think I've ever been more moved by Marina's performance than in Nepenthe when she talks about how scared she is now that Thad died.

585
00:40:00.780 --> 00:40:02.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

586
00:40:02.579 --> 00:40:03.480
So good.

587
00:40:03.539 --> 00:40:04.440
She's so good.

588
00:40:04.500 --> 00:40:10.019
At the end of this, she's just wailing and blubbing the whole way through that funeral scene.

589
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:10.920
It's terrible.

590
00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:13.679
So in fact, that was Marina.

591
00:40:13.739 --> 00:40:16.199
She was so...

592
00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:17.460
Yeah, yeah.

593
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:19.920
Well, she was like, that could have been my role.

594
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:21.780
I was almost half of cashier.

595
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:25.980
It was her or me. was clearly touch and go.

596
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:31.139
But it's worth pointing out. they didn't want to get rid of Tasha. was all Denise's choice.

597
00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:32.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

598
00:40:32.940 --> 00:40:38.639
Um, I just the show would have been so different, I think, if she'd have stayed.

599
00:40:38.699 --> 00:40:43.260
Yeah, I think I think it would have been fine.

600
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:45.000
Oh, no, no, no.

601
00:40:45.059 --> 00:40:51.480
I mean, the same production team would have came in, the same choice they would have been made, found a way to make the character work, I think.

602
00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:52.860
But, yeah.

603
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:54.480
I would have liked to have seen that, though.

604
00:40:54.539 --> 00:40:56.639
Well, we did see it for one episode.

605
00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:57.900
Yeah, yeah.

606
00:40:57.960 --> 00:40:58.920
And she was great in it.

607
00:40:58.980 --> 00:40:59.940
She was wonderful.

608
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:04.260
Oh, here we go.

609
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:05.460
More empathy.

610
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.400
You can't hide your emptiness from me.

611
00:41:08.460 --> 00:41:09.300
Almost.

612
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:13.739
Yeah, then you, like, you talk about how bad Denise is, but look how bad Marina is here.

613
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:15.360
Look how bad everyone is.

614
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.260
I'm not making an argument for Marina 30s in this episode.

615
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.019
I mean, I think is heroic.

616
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:26.519
The fact that she's given it a go.

617
00:41:26.579 --> 00:41:27.780
Yeah, 0 yeah.

618
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:32.579
And like this is the potential to be super interesting because she has power over him.

619
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:41.699
He thinks that he has all the power and he's omnipotent, but she's a counsellor and that works because he's abandoned and has got all this abandonment stuff.

620
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.039
And so she actually finds out.

621
00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:49.019
She's the one who finds out what happened to him and what makes him vulnerable.

622
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:55.079
And the sad thing is that then Patrick Stewart has to come down and put that into playing.

623
00:41:55.139 --> 00:41:59.460
Every episode of series one ends with Patrick Stewart coming down, making a speech.

624
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:01.980
And then we get away and then onto the next place.

625
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:07.440
The worst one is the drugs one when he goes, you know, you did it to yourselves, you filthy peasants. lets go.

626
00:42:07.739 --> 00:42:10.320
Leave them in a state of withdrawal.

627
00:42:10.380 --> 00:42:12.599
Which is becomes harmless.

628
00:42:12.659 --> 00:42:15.000
So well handled in lower decks when they go back there.

629
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:18.960
Poor actor that said, not all this shit.

630
00:42:19.619 --> 00:42:22.199
I think my career comes to this.

631
00:42:22.260 --> 00:42:26.519
So the guy doing the voiceover is just a famous voiceover guy.

632
00:42:26.579 --> 00:42:27.960
I couldn't even find a picture of him.

633
00:42:28.019 --> 00:42:33.239
I think one bat is a good voice performance, and I think he's a great treatment.

634
00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:35.400
That sort of electron treatment over him.

635
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.500
I'm glad they stopped doing this as well.

636
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:49.019
So there's a bit here where Geordie gets taunted by the removal of his visor.

637
00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:52.679
Um, It happens a couple of times, doesn't it?

638
00:42:52.739 --> 00:42:56.400
Well, no, no, it happened in descent.

639
00:42:56.460 --> 00:42:57.900
Yeah, that was horrible too.

640
00:42:57.960 --> 00:42:59.219
That was just unpleasant.

641
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:06.659
And like they do mention it from time to time, like in the masterpiece society, that was super interesting, you know, where they were talking about disability and stuff.

642
00:43:07.619 --> 00:43:11.460
Yeah, well, I mean, we're in a stage here, aren't we?

643
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:14.639
Where talking about this stuff when viewed now?

644
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:16.800
Yeah, oh, well, that's right.

645
00:43:16.860 --> 00:43:24.119
Even having a sighted actor like LeVar playing a blind character is not something that we would do now, hence Hammer, I guess.

646
00:43:24.539 --> 00:43:26.940
Are you okay, Troy?

647
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:31.800
Unfortunately, now, Dr. Bev is not in her sick bass, so she's having...

648
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:37.380
Oh, I love the bit where he goes, I warn you.

649
00:43:37.980 --> 00:43:41.219
It's a great a great performance, I think.

650
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:43.019
It's just a terrible costume.

651
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:50.639
I like Deanna's reaction to like Troy's dead and she goes, yeah, I know.

652
00:43:50.699 --> 00:43:52.079
I thought that was really good.

653
00:43:52.139 --> 00:43:57.239
Oh my god, it looks so bad when it's moving around like that, doesn't it?

654
00:43:57.300 --> 00:44:03.119
There's a photograph on memory Apple where you can see the hydraulics underneath and how it actually worked.

655
00:44:03.179 --> 00:44:03.599
Yeah.

656
00:44:03.659 --> 00:44:06.960
It's quite impressive as a as a piece of equipment.

657
00:44:07.019 --> 00:44:10.739
Unfortunately, as a monster, it's I'm sure it was worth the effort.

658
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:12.480
Oh yeah, here we go.

659
00:44:12.539 --> 00:44:12.780
Yeah.

660
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.179
Yeah, see, this isn't fun to watch, is it?

661
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:20.039
And and is Reiken, like, it looks like Data's making fun of him.

662
00:44:20.099 --> 00:44:23.760
So data says, um...

663
00:44:23.820 --> 00:44:24.719
Look, yeah, yeah.

664
00:44:24.780 --> 00:44:27.659
He says, look, half a metre to the right, Geordie.

665
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:31.619
And he moves half a metre to the right and so he'd be found because it's fucking in front of him.

666
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:33.659
Like, well done, Geordie.

667
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:42.300
No one's allowed to get away with, you know, estimating a time to anything less than a millisecond, but he goes half a metre to the right and it's in front of him.

668
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:46.320
I do just know we need more bastards in Star Trek, though, you know.

669
00:44:46.380 --> 00:44:50.340
People that just do things just to be utterly evil.

670
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:55.079
But I don't think tormenting the disabled person is that much fun to watch, I think.

671
00:44:55.139 --> 00:44:57.360
I've got to say, as a piece of television.

672
00:44:57.420 --> 00:45:00.539
Matter of time that we did last for TNG.

673
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:00.840
Yeah.

674
00:45:00.900 --> 00:45:02.880
That was a better made piece of television.

675
00:45:02.940 --> 00:45:03.599
Oh, yeah.

676
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:05.519
It was nowhere near as fun as this.

677
00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:06.539
Yeah, yeah.

678
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:09.360
It was in fact very dull in comparison to this.

679
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:11.579
I think this shot is quite good too.

680
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:13.679
And I think she's, do you know what I mean?

681
00:45:13.739 --> 00:45:19.920
Like the way she's moving a hand, the way the light, seeing that she shot from below, you know, there's debris around her and stuff.

682
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.260
And I think that she's delivering a thing.

683
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:27.780
Like, I think there is the potential, if anyone was even trying to do something interesting.

684
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.360
There's something here, isn't there?

685
00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:31.860
So he...

686
00:45:31.860 --> 00:45:33.480
I even think you could do something with the concept.

687
00:45:33.539 --> 00:45:34.260
Not this.

688
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:34.739
Yeah.

689
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:35.400
Yeah.

690
00:45:35.460 --> 00:45:58.019
He's the residue of some godlike beings who've been there, and, you know, he says something about, you know, they are, people look in awe at them, you know, like they're Titans, he says, and they've gone off into the universe, and they've abandoned him, and they've left him here to suffer.

691
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.119
And in what sense?

692
00:46:00.179 --> 00:46:01.260
Are they good?

693
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:02.820
Do you know what I mean?

694
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:04.860
Like what's going on here?

695
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:05.940
And here I am, you know.

696
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.460
When you when you describe it like that.

697
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:10.199
I'm seeing a TOS episode.

698
00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:12.360
It's not grandiose B movie idea.

699
00:46:12.420 --> 00:46:23.519
But given a bit of worth, but in a TOS episode, you would have had, um, Spock, Kirk, and McCoy all taking the piss out of it a little bit as well, you know, and having some fun with it.

700
00:46:23.579 --> 00:46:25.139
This is so serious.

701
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:27.960
Yeah, which makes it even funnier in a way.

702
00:46:28.019 --> 00:46:28.739
Well, yes exactly.

703
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:30.300
Oh, I love this bit.

704
00:46:30.420 --> 00:46:36.780
Their music now is going...

705
00:46:36.780 --> 00:46:37.500
That is shot.

706
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:41.460
We will see it again in several times, I think, probably in shades.

707
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:43.619
Say the quote again from Laval Burton.

708
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:44.519
Frekes.

709
00:46:44.579 --> 00:46:46.199
They never would have got me to do that.

710
00:46:46.260 --> 00:46:48.780
So that's a that's a stunt double.

711
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:50.159
That's a fucking stunt double.

712
00:46:50.219 --> 00:46:51.719
There's no way that's Frakes.

713
00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:53.219
There's a really bad...

714
00:46:53.219 --> 00:46:54.599
He swears to Goddess.

715
00:46:54.659 --> 00:46:55.380
He swears...

716
00:46:55.500 --> 00:46:58.500
I think I think there's a shot later that's him.

717
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:03.179
But I don't think they're dragging frakes under the water if you're under the thing if you're not seeing his face.

718
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:05.760
Like, there's no way that that's not his double.

719
00:47:05.820 --> 00:47:07.380
The face coming up now.

720
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:08.519
That's a pop.

721
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:10.860
But that's really quite scary.

722
00:47:10.980 --> 00:47:11.579
That's a problem.

723
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:12.599
It doesn't move at all.

724
00:47:12.659 --> 00:47:13.980
It's a prop.

725
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:15.119
I think it's really good.

726
00:47:15.179 --> 00:47:17.280
Like, I think it's scary. look at that.

727
00:47:17.340 --> 00:47:19.380
Yeah, but it's a prop.

728
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:21.119
His eyes are open. gonna happen.

729
00:47:21.179 --> 00:47:22.440
So that's a prop.

730
00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:26.280
And it's sort of the sort of gross horror that they just know.

731
00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:27.659
Yeah, that is pretty much later.

732
00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:32.099
It's the sort of thing you were, you know, lauding in Genesis when we watched that.

733
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

734
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:34.500
Yeah.

735
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:38.699
And, you know, like early discovery has it as well.

736
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:41.820
Actually, Wesley down to that planet.

737
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:43.800
He could have been dragged into... as well.

738
00:47:43.860 --> 00:47:46.380
I mean, he got stabbed in hide and cue, didn't he?

739
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:50.940
So, Frakes does regret doing the stunt.

740
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.300
So when we see him come out of the pit, that's definitely him, right?

741
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.880
And because they're scraping the stuff off him and things.

742
00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:57.960
So he's been in the pit.

743
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.139
I don't think they drag him into the pit, that's definitely a body double.

744
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:02.639
The face is a prop.

745
00:48:02.699 --> 00:48:04.440
But when he comes out, it's definitely him.

746
00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:17.699
And he says, and this is a quote from memory alpha, I suffered physically like a fool with Mikey, Michael Westmore, sure, I'll get him that black fucking metamucil shit.

747
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:19.500
That was absurd.

748
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.159
I want to be back for season two.

749
00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:24.659
I'll do whatever you want, all right?

750
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:37.739
So he clearly realises that it was just dumb and it was like the thing. remember when Marina breaks her cock 6 in PowerPlay and she says, I'm this big in the screen.

751
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.119
It could have been Michael.

752
00:48:39.179 --> 00:48:40.320
No one would have known.

753
00:48:42.300 --> 00:48:45.239
The things we do for...

754
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:47.639
Oh, this scene is agonising.

755
00:48:47.699 --> 00:48:48.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

756
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:49.800
She's like, please.

757
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:51.780
Please don't hurt my Amzabi.

758
00:48:52.739 --> 00:48:57.179
Yes, I would sacrifice myself without hesitation.

759
00:48:57.300 --> 00:48:58.679
All of that stuff.

760
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.559
Like, that's so bad, isn't it?

761
00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:03.420
There's space people.

762
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:04.679
This is them being space people.

763
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:08.219
Because Beverly says I want to beat my life, this is, on this level.

764
00:49:08.340 --> 00:49:09.960
Yeah, yeah.

765
00:49:12.179 --> 00:49:18.119
I would sacrifice my dignity to record another untitled Star Trek episode.

766
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:24.300
I do like how it clings onto the shuttle.

767
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:24.840
Yeah, yeah.

768
00:49:24.900 --> 00:49:25.559
Yeah.

769
00:49:25.619 --> 00:49:27.719
Because it feels impressive.

770
00:49:27.780 --> 00:49:28.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

771
00:49:28.860 --> 00:49:31.139
No, it's Picard now coming down.

772
00:49:31.139 --> 00:49:33.719
The handheld walking up to the slick, walking up to the pit.

773
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:36.239
A handheld summing, all right?

774
00:49:36.300 --> 00:49:37.260
At least they had a long shot.

775
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:38.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

776
00:49:38.460 --> 00:49:43.199
And the surface of the thing is moving. tin man.

777
00:49:43.260 --> 00:49:43.920
Yeah.

778
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:49.500
Well, it's a big fan of Wizard of Oz, I think, probably Armus.

779
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:51.780
That was a great exchange as well.

780
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:54.000
Why is he doing all this, Mr. Data?

781
00:49:54.059 --> 00:49:58.320
I think it's to alleviate boredom, sir. yeah that's really good.

782
00:49:58.380 --> 00:50:04.079
Again, the contempt that they have for him, and if we'd seen more of that from Marina, it would have been great.

783
00:50:04.139 --> 00:50:07.559
I mean is Picard empathising with him at the end?

784
00:50:07.619 --> 00:50:13.380
No, no, I think again, it's just this complete refusal to play along.

785
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:15.420
I'm just not going to do anything to help you.

786
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:16.980
I'm not going to play along.

787
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:22.500
Um, and uh, Astonishingly, we are two-thirds for this episode.

788
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.119
I feel like we've barely started it.

789
00:50:24.179 --> 00:50:25.199
It's flying by.

790
00:50:25.260 --> 00:50:26.760
But look at it.

791
00:50:26.820 --> 00:50:28.679
Like, I love the way the liquid moves.

792
00:50:28.739 --> 00:50:30.780
Like there's something under there. here we go.

793
00:50:30.900 --> 00:50:32.699
That's what I like that.

794
00:50:32.820 --> 00:50:38.340
It's a shot of Picard, and you just see armours coming up in sort of...

795
00:50:38.340 --> 00:50:42.840
He's out of focus in the foreground. and the light coming off him.

796
00:50:42.900 --> 00:50:45.300
He's using day as a pop it.

797
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:46.679
Boy, but go, everybody.

798
00:50:46.739 --> 00:50:48.360
And I like this too.

799
00:50:48.420 --> 00:50:56.280
Like Data just says, well, you know, like, yes, you kill one of them, but you're pulling the trigger and you're holding the strings, I would not be responsible.

800
00:50:56.340 --> 00:51:00.840
Like I wouldn't, you know, like you can't make me feel bad about killing him.

801
00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:01.559
I didn't do it.

802
00:51:01.619 --> 00:51:02.340
You did, you know.

803
00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:07.380
And like even her refusal to react there.

804
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:12.900
You know, her refusal to kind of panic and give him anything, I think, is good.

805
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.420
I don't think it's just, you know, her.

806
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.599
They should have forgotten how to do this sort of thing, Nathan.

807
00:51:18.659 --> 00:51:23.760
Like, rubbish TNG in season 5 is just very boring.

808
00:51:23.820 --> 00:51:24.420
Boring.

809
00:51:24.420 --> 00:51:25.559
Dull and worthy.

810
00:51:25.619 --> 00:51:28.500
Rubbish TNG in series one.

811
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.539
It's just...

812
00:51:30.659 --> 00:51:33.480
And occasionally hugely embarrassing.

813
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:34.980
Oh, well, consistently.

814
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:36.599
I mismanages to be all of that.

815
00:51:36.659 --> 00:51:38.519
I told you it was a gift, didn't I?

816
00:51:38.579 --> 00:51:39.599
But do you know what I mean?

817
00:51:39.659 --> 00:51:43.860
Like, you've got gates here, not, like, no one is playing along, no one's being a panicky idiot.

818
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.260
They're just saying, yeah, no, like do your shit.

819
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:47.820
We're just not interested, you know.

820
00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:49.139
And I think that's pretty good.

821
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:54.000
Tell me, Tin Man, how does it feel to face your own extinction?

822
00:51:54.900 --> 00:51:56.460
Stupid.

823
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:03.840
So when they're trying to sort of puzzle him out there, those lines like that, you...

824
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:07.019
This line is really weird. interesting, no redeeming qualities.

825
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:09.000
And so Armas goes, so what do you think?

826
00:52:09.059 --> 00:52:11.039
And he goes, I think you should be destroyed.

827
00:52:11.099 --> 00:52:12.420
And go, wait, what?

828
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:14.400
Just because he's got a real terrible personality.

829
00:52:14.460 --> 00:52:15.780
Like what's happening here?

830
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:17.880
Wait, you're always back with a line.

831
00:52:17.940 --> 00:52:20.219
He goes, a moral judgement from a machine.

832
00:52:20.340 --> 00:52:22.739
It's like, really?

833
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.059
Because we're not going to do that.

834
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:27.420
I mean, it's not like they leave the planet and then just sort of nuke the surface or anything.

835
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:36.119
They just kind of leave him there to be prank called by the Cerrito's crew, you know, 10, 12 years later or whatever.

836
00:52:36.179 --> 00:52:39.300
It should be that they had to beam down one red shirt.

837
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:42.239
That was a bargain that he was left with one red shirt.

838
00:52:42.300 --> 00:52:46.380
He could just torture for all eternity and then they could go off. volunteering for that.

839
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:49.139
Well, Admiral Leyland T. Lynch, of course.

840
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:50.460
That's right.

841
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:51.480
What's he doing?

842
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:52.619
He doesn't get an arc.

843
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:56.039
He could go down there and spend the rest of his life there with armours.

844
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:59.280
In fact, when they prank Kolamis in lower decks.

845
00:52:59.340 --> 00:53:04.139
He's there going, I wish I had someone to torture at the very beginning because he's super poor.

846
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:06.059
And so this is Jonathan.

847
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:07.500
That's Jonathan May.

848
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:09.780
Oh, bless him.

849
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:10.739
Look at it.

850
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:12.360
What is that?

851
00:53:12.420 --> 00:53:13.500
Liquorice?

852
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:16.860
So it's metamucil and printers, Inc.

853
00:53:16.980 --> 00:53:19.440
Oh, no.

854
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.679
He must have been Sharon for weeks.

855
00:53:25.739 --> 00:53:29.639
No, Levar can barely stifle his laughing.

856
00:53:32.699 --> 00:53:35.159
They've decided to axe you in series two.

857
00:53:35.219 --> 00:53:35.519
Sorry.

858
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:41.280
They are incapable of entertaining me.

859
00:53:41.820 --> 00:53:43.860
So good, isn't it?

860
00:53:43.980 --> 00:53:47.639
Yeah, that's absolute Doctor Who monster shit, isn't it?

861
00:53:47.699 --> 00:53:48.840
Oh, it's great.

862
00:53:48.900 --> 00:53:49.920
Yeah.

863
00:53:49.980 --> 00:53:51.480
Come on, TNG.

864
00:53:51.539 --> 00:53:54.360
Oh, look, and Brent's the only one acting in that shot.

865
00:53:54.420 --> 00:53:55.260
He looks up.

866
00:53:55.320 --> 00:54:04.440
In fact, you know, my other favourite from series one does this exactly again, conspiracy with the weird aliens that have taken over Starfleet.

867
00:54:04.500 --> 00:54:05.039
Yeah, yeah.

868
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:06.539
It's total B movie.

869
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:07.800
It's good.

870
00:54:07.860 --> 00:54:08.820
I think it's pretty good.

871
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:13.739
It's also sort of hilariously bad, but... yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

872
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:14.039
Yeah.

873
00:54:14.099 --> 00:54:14.760
No, awesome.

874
00:54:14.820 --> 00:54:16.380
I love to do that one actually.

875
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:21.059
When did TNG forget to be bad in a entertaining way?

876
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:32.639
Yeah, I think that, like, I think that they decided that they'd been embarrassing, but they threw the baby out with the bath water and they radically reduced the sort of things that Star Trek could do.

877
00:54:32.699 --> 00:54:37.800
And I think that, you know, that's one of the reasons I'm so bored by it, I think.

878
00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:43.440
Like, what we gain is episodes like Dharmok, and, you know, we wouldn't be without them.

879
00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:45.059
What we lose.

880
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:49.800
Yeah. is just mad shit like this.

881
00:54:50.699 --> 00:54:59.940
Yeah, look, he just walks straight past Ben, goes and talks to her and then she goes, Ben is over there and he goes, oh yeah, that's right.

882
00:55:00.059 --> 00:55:00.840
The black guy.

883
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:02.820
It's so bad.

884
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:04.739
It's not on the console.

885
00:55:04.860 --> 00:55:05.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

886
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:07.380
So he survives.

887
00:55:09.059 --> 00:55:11.699
But Deanna, he's not one of the regulars.

888
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:13.619
Yeah, I know it's so bad.

889
00:55:13.739 --> 00:55:15.900
It's so that's really bad.

890
00:55:17.340 --> 00:55:19.440
Leave her behind.

891
00:55:19.500 --> 00:55:20.940
She don't do much in 7 years.

892
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:22.679
She does.

893
00:55:22.739 --> 00:55:23.460
She's awesome.

894
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:33.840
Yeah, and so, and so she, she tells him how to do it, but she doesn't get to do it herself.

895
00:55:33.900 --> 00:55:47.400
And I think that's a shame because in later Star Trek, like in later next generation, this would be the Deanna episode where we're presented with a problem which Deanna can solve and then she's allowed to save the day.

896
00:55:47.460 --> 00:55:49.619
Well, I wonder if that's where this started.

897
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:51.960
And then Denise was going.

898
00:55:52.019 --> 00:55:57.059
They were like, well, let's kill her off in this episode, you know, the skin of all evil can take her out.

899
00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:57.840
Yeah.

900
00:55:57.900 --> 00:56:01.079
And then unfortunately, we're we're distracted.

901
00:56:01.139 --> 00:56:06.059
But it was weird. obviously they have just got on with the job because they have to because there's people to save.

902
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:11.159
It's unbelievable that she died 20 minutes ago and we haven't mentioned her since.

903
00:56:11.219 --> 00:56:12.840
No, well, we have.

904
00:56:12.900 --> 00:56:19.320
No, no, no, we have because we had that conversation where Beverly says, Tasha's dead and she says, I know.

905
00:56:19.380 --> 00:56:24.239
And we did have the scene in the observation lounge deck thing.

906
00:56:24.300 --> 00:56:25.679
It just wouldn't be like that now, would it?

907
00:56:25.739 --> 00:56:27.480
It just wouldn't be like that now.

908
00:56:27.539 --> 00:56:29.460
I think that they might do that.

909
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:35.820
They might hold off and just let there be an episode and then fall to pieces at the end.

910
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.940
I think that that's a standard TV trip, isn't it?

911
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:42.480
When the fellow Duck Culber died in Discovery.

912
00:56:42.539 --> 00:56:43.860
How did they deal with that?

913
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:47.519
Well, I don't think Hugh even finds out until the next episode.

914
00:56:47.579 --> 00:56:55.679
Like, remember it happens in the middle of just a massive chaotic thing and there's just so much going on that I don't know.

915
00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:57.960
I'm assuming that has consequences down the line.

916
00:56:58.079 --> 00:56:59.219
Yeah, that's his part.

917
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:00.719
I think he might.

918
00:57:00.780 --> 00:57:05.880
I think Paul might just be in the corridor with his body for a good part of the next episode.

919
00:57:05.940 --> 00:57:08.039
It's pretty, yeah.

920
00:57:08.099 --> 00:57:10.079
Yeah, because that's proper.

921
00:57:10.139 --> 00:57:10.800
Do you know what I mean?

922
00:57:10.860 --> 00:57:14.099
It was a dumb idea, and they walked it back, but it's Star Trek.

923
00:57:14.099 --> 00:57:16.320
I'm like, they sort of... formula television.

924
00:57:16.380 --> 00:57:20.159
They can't just go on the next week and oh, well, she's not here.

925
00:57:20.219 --> 00:57:21.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

926
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:21.719
That's right.

927
00:57:21.780 --> 00:57:23.699
It's almost an anthology show.

928
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:30.300
He's almost his backstory now. left by a race of titans behind.

929
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:31.679
Yeah, yeah.

930
00:57:31.739 --> 00:57:33.539
Titans is a good word too.

931
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:35.880
He clearly knows about Greek mythology as well.

932
00:57:35.940 --> 00:57:37.619
Bonds of destructiveness.

933
00:57:38.099 --> 00:57:51.659
Yeah, so, I mean, it's got that sort of that weird science fiction thing where evil and good are substances and so, you know, Doctor Who does that as well.

934
00:57:51.719 --> 00:58:01.800
Like it's a fairly standard thing, you know, we think of good and evil as the result of all kinds of, you know, social things, I think, is how we conceive it more than anything else.

935
00:58:01.860 --> 00:58:07.440
But here it's like as if they're physical substances, like light and dark.

936
00:58:07.500 --> 00:58:13.920
Anything that starts with Picard going. shall I tell you what evil really is?

937
00:58:13.980 --> 00:58:16.860
You know we're in for a bit of trouble.

938
00:58:16.980 --> 00:58:18.599
Oh, yeah, yeah. so boring.

939
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:21.599
I mean, nothing could be as bad as to get the justice right.

940
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:25.019
When has law been as simple as a rule book?

941
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:26.340
Now, Beam is up quick.

942
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:30.960
And look, Armist's energy level has dipped to 2.6.3.

943
00:58:31.260 --> 00:58:32.460
Oh, we're 40 minutes in.

944
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:34.980
Well, no, but I'm thinking it's just the speech.

945
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:36.659
It's kind of like, oh my god.

946
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:45.480
If only they can hang a luncheon on that and say, like, you know, I can't listen to you anymore.

947
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:51.659
But I see you.

948
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.179
I't know why they wait so long to transport here.

949
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:55.920
That shot is so shit.

950
00:58:55.980 --> 00:58:58.440
Like, God, like that side shot.

951
00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:00.900
This shot, the final shot of armistice magnificent.

952
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:01.860
That's truly great.

953
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:05.460
It's so melodramatic, isn't it?

954
00:59:06.059 --> 00:59:09.360
But the shot of him from the side just poking out of the thing is a bit shit.

955
00:59:09.420 --> 00:59:13.500
His hands are literally going crazy though. so bad.

956
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:14.820
So bad.

957
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.880
Oh, dude, the damage has just been done onto the funeral.

958
00:59:22.619 --> 00:59:25.139
That looks like a butcher shop window, right?

959
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:26.159
That lawn.

960
00:59:26.219 --> 00:59:28.800
It just looks like a butcher shop window.

961
00:59:28.860 --> 00:59:33.239
And so the 1st thing that I thought is go the fuck outside.

962
00:59:34.139 --> 00:59:36.780
Why haven't they got a sunny sky?

963
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:38.460
Why are they going for this sort of cloudy look?

964
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:48.840
Um, I think, you know, we know that the holodeck can create solid realistic holograms.

965
00:59:48.900 --> 00:59:52.380
Why is her, is her uniform green in your, the print that you're watching?

966
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:55.679
Uh, it's uniform is green in that shot.

967
00:59:55.739 --> 00:59:59.579
Green, like those very fake looking home base trees behind them.

968
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:08.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah. and it'll be it'll be blue in a later shot in the same scene and that was always a weird colour grading thing that was wrong with early.

969
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:08.940
You know why?

970
01:00:08.940 --> 01:00:11.099
I have to stop to Marina.

971
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:12.300
Stop crying already, all right?

972
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:19.380
Okay, this time, gates, go get in your other uniform, quick. get in there. yeah Can we quote some of the dialogue here, please?

973
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:26.099
So, so, but look, we know that they can create solid realistic holograms, and so they're trying to put her in heaven.

974
01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:28.980
And so she's a ghost and there are clouds behind her.

975
01:00:28.980 --> 01:00:31.139
And that's what that is, right?

976
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:31.980
Don't you think?

977
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:35.219
Like, that's her talking to us from... is what it is.

978
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:35.940
Yeah.

979
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:36.659
Yeah.

980
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.559
But the thing is, and we said this before the episode even started.

981
01:00:40.619 --> 01:00:51.599
These characters are not well defined enough for us to give a shit even after 22, 23 hours of this staff.

982
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:52.199
Yeah.

983
01:00:52.260 --> 01:00:54.000
You are my family, she said.

984
01:00:54.059 --> 01:00:57.900
We've only been together for 18 episodes. yeah that's right.

985
01:00:58.019 --> 01:01:04.679
Oh, you took a frightened and angry girl and tempered her in the Starfleet way.

986
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so terrible.

987
01:01:07.980 --> 01:01:11.519
I'm going to say the line that she says to Troy, because everyone needs to hear it.

988
01:01:11.579 --> 01:01:13.019
Oh, it's so bad.

989
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:14.460
It's so bad.

990
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:15.360
It's so bad.

991
01:01:15.420 --> 01:01:18.960
Isn't like, Jonathan's pretty at this point, I think.

992
01:01:19.019 --> 01:01:21.420
Yeah, no, you're okay, so much love.

993
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:23.280
Oh god.

994
01:01:23.340 --> 01:01:24.539
Wait for it.

995
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:27.780
He told me without ever having to say a word.

996
01:01:28.380 --> 01:01:32.760
I realised I could be feminine without losing anything.

997
01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:35.699
Jesus Christ, that's embarrassing.

998
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.519
That's the worst thing in this episode is that.

999
01:01:38.579 --> 01:01:41.219
Yeah, to be taught to be feminine.

1000
01:01:41.280 --> 01:02:00.059
There's this incredible fear that because she has short hair and she's the security officer, that she's going to come across as being a lesbian, and we know what happened to our friend, is it Meg Foster, in Cagney and Lacey, who lost her job for the same reason?

1001
01:02:00.179 --> 01:02:02.579
And they said, they're so desperate for her not to be a lesbian.

1002
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:03.719
Do you know what I mean?

1003
01:02:03.780 --> 01:02:04.860
That they do this.

1004
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.159
Like Beverly, she has learned to strike.

1005
01:02:08.340 --> 01:02:11.280
What else is no matter what the personal cost?

1006
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:12.239
Like what?

1007
01:02:12.300 --> 01:02:15.360
Well, personal cost comes from striping friends.

1008
01:02:15.420 --> 01:02:18.480
No, it just makes no sense because there's nothing to her.

1009
01:02:18.539 --> 01:02:19.500
Do you know what I mean?

1010
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:32.159
Like, she can't say, like, you were really funny or you had a sort of, you know, quick wit and you used to, you know, like, um, you taught me how to dance, like, but none of the characters have anything.

1011
01:02:32.219 --> 01:02:41.639
I'm and and even she can't even fucking say goodbye to Geordie without alluding to the fact that he's blind. taught me to look beyond the moment. things differently.

1012
01:02:41.699 --> 01:02:43.559
Look beyond that, like fuck off.

1013
01:02:43.619 --> 01:02:46.260
He's the blind character, right?

1014
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:48.000
And he's black.

1015
01:02:48.059 --> 01:02:49.139
She should have mentioned that.

1016
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:50.940
I mean, it's so bad.

1017
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:56.039
In the sound of her voice, which is the penultimate episode of DS96 season.

1018
01:02:56.099 --> 01:03:00.119
There's a wake for the woman who dies in that episode, right?

1019
01:03:00.179 --> 01:03:06.599
And, and, uh, Brian goes. take a good look around because we might not all be here forever.

1020
01:03:06.659 --> 01:03:12.960
Let's enjoy this moment and it's so much more touching and fucking restrained than this.

1021
01:03:13.019 --> 01:03:18.539
And it's even hanging a lantern on the fact that she's going to die in the next episode and it's still really moving.

1022
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:21.659
They did learn a lot.

1023
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:24.119
They had to go down a bumpy road together.

1024
01:03:24.179 --> 01:03:25.860
Yeah, this is terrible.

1025
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:27.659
I mean, this is just terrible.

1026
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:35.099
I do think that Patrick Stewart very bravely because I did feel something when he went of one, Natasha.

1027
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:50.400
Yeah, I did too, but I have to say that the thing I was most affected by was Marina because, you know, you have this weird parasocial relationship with all of the Star Trek actors. because you've been following them like I was 19.

1028
01:03:50.579 --> 01:03:51.539
Do you know what I mean?

1029
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:55.980
this has been this has been most of my life I've known this show.

1030
01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:58.980
And that's why this arena is so distressed.

1031
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:06.300
In the same way, like the DS9 actors moved me because that was when I hit, well, I was 13 and 20 when it ended.

1032
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:07.920
So I watched that entire run.

1033
01:04:07.980 --> 01:04:10.079
So I'm connected, so I speak, I get it.

1034
01:04:10.139 --> 01:04:10.440
I get it.

1035
01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:13.380
Go on, Patrick.

1036
01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:17.579
Oh, he's got such, like, his eyes are green.

1037
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:23.159
I think again, they're blue, really, but there's something weird about the way the colour gets reproduced.

1038
01:04:23.219 --> 01:04:28.800
You remember, we were talking about all of the subtext in tacking into the wind the other day.

1039
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:34.559
Now here, Beta stops to go, did I miss the point of the funeral?

1040
01:04:34.619 --> 01:04:36.539
And he goes, no, no, Mr. Dota.

1041
01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:38.340
That's exactly the point of the funeral.

1042
01:04:38.460 --> 01:04:39.480
Yeah, yeah.

1043
01:04:39.539 --> 01:04:41.099
We have a speech about what funerals are.

1044
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:45.539
That's what data is, to explain to the audience things that they surely must fucking know.

1045
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:47.400
You know, it's so bad.

1046
01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:54.840
So we literally, we had the deaf scene, that we had, they're all talking about it in the observation lounge.

1047
01:04:54.900 --> 01:04:55.320
Yeah.

1048
01:04:55.320 --> 01:05:00.300
Then we had the funeral scene and now we've got the, I mean, it's just a bit much, isn't it?

1049
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:02.280
It's not exactly subtle.

1050
01:05:02.340 --> 01:05:03.719
No, no.

1051
01:05:03.780 --> 01:05:17.159
But the way that they would do it later, like, I think it's the only thing that's available to them, that what they can't really do is just kill her off in act one without doing something at the end.

1052
01:05:17.219 --> 01:05:20.039
Like, they have to hold off and then make the episode about that.

1053
01:05:20.099 --> 01:05:20.880
Don't they?

1054
01:05:20.940 --> 01:05:27.059
But do you remember when Marvellous Captain Garrett died with the shrapnel in her head in yesterday's enterprise?

1055
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:28.079
And that was sudden.

1056
01:05:28.139 --> 01:05:30.420
I think I felt more about that than I did about this.

1057
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:32.219
Look at that.

1058
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:34.139
Look at that fucking lawn.

1059
01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:34.980
It's so bad.

1060
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:36.360
It's so bad.

1061
01:05:36.420 --> 01:05:41.579
Skin of evil. you did not let me down No, that was great. was really fun.

1062
01:05:42.179 --> 01:05:45.840
I'm so many levels, that was just...

1063
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:46.559
That was very terrible.

1064
01:05:46.619 --> 01:05:51.059
So also one of the most inept pieces of television we have watched so far.

1065
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:51.900
Yeah.

1066
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:56.039
No, I think, you know, like, I think that we've seen worse TV.

1067
01:05:56.099 --> 01:06:05.820
I think Manhund is a worse episode than this because it's also boring and it's not being written in any way, like that you can sense that there's writers or some writers behind this.

1068
01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:08.760
Whereas Manhunt is just padding out the running time.

1069
01:06:08.820 --> 01:06:17.460
But weird enough, I do get, I do get a sense that they're having a bit of fun with this idea as well. the sort of the skin of evil idea, you know?

1070
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:18.480
That's stupid.

1071
01:06:18.539 --> 01:06:19.260
It's great, isn't it?

1072
01:06:19.380 --> 01:06:21.300
But it's sort of wholeheartedly dumb.

1073
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:22.679
Yeah, yeah.

1074
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:25.980
I think I think maybe 3 or 4 seasons down the line.

1075
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:29.159
They would go, oh, God, are we really going to do this, all right?

1076
01:06:29.219 --> 01:06:32.340
And it would all be that everyone would be a bit embarrassed by it.

1077
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:34.260
But here they're like, no, let's just play it.

1078
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:35.039
Let's go for it.

1079
01:06:35.099 --> 01:06:36.300
We've got this big monster.

1080
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:37.500
It'll be hilarious.

1081
01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:42.360
Which is basically the key to Doctor Who's success in 26 years, you know?

1082
01:06:42.420 --> 01:06:43.139
Yeah, yeah.

1083
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:43.920
Yeah.

1084
01:06:43.980 --> 01:06:44.820
Dear, dear.

1085
01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:47.039
What a shame Shame.

1086
01:06:47.099 --> 01:06:48.539
Au revoir Natasha.

1087
01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:49.800
I love why, Natasha.

1088
01:06:55.860 --> 01:07:01.739
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to find out what we're going to be doing next week.

1089
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:16.440
I have checked the stats on the shows that we've done, and the most neglected show according to our statistics. is the animated series where we've done 2 out of 22 episodes.

1090
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:20.159
So just over 9% of the available episodes.

1091
01:07:20.219 --> 01:07:22.199
There is a reason for that.

1092
01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:23.880
There is a reason for it.

1093
01:07:23.940 --> 01:07:24.840
But we have to do it.

1094
01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:26.099
It's part of the thing.

1095
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:31.199
So it's time to eat our vegetables and watch an episode of the animates.

1096
01:07:31.380 --> 01:07:35.579
Da, da, da, da.

1097
01:07:35.579 --> 01:07:37.559
Oh, so terrible.

1098
01:07:37.619 --> 01:07:41.460
I was watching Lower Decks and there was a character.

1099
01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:52.860
In fact, I was watching The Spy Humungous, which is where they prank call, but in the lead up to that, there is an alien that is taken from a animated series episode.

1100
01:07:52.920 --> 01:08:03.960
I think we've said before, that lower decks kind of regards the animated series as it's esteemed for bear and he's absolutely happy to steal stuff from it, which I think is glorious.

1101
01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:06.599
Distinguishable in quality in my mind.

1102
01:08:06.659 --> 01:08:07.260
That's right.

1103
01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:11.400
But it canonises it in a way that even Gene was reluctant to do.

1104
01:08:11.460 --> 01:08:13.920
And I'm afraid it is canon.

1105
01:08:13.980 --> 01:08:16.260
It was on telly and people watched it.

1106
01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:18.119
And so it's legit.

1107
01:08:18.420 --> 01:08:22.800
DC Fontana considers it the full season of the original series, okay?

1108
01:08:22.859 --> 01:08:23.939
God bless her.

1109
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:25.859
And so she says that is true.

1110
01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:30.479
I do hope you select the magics of Megas 2. sounds amazing.

1111
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:31.739
Does it?

1112
01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:34.260
Yeah, Jammer only gives it one star as well.

1113
01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:35.340
So it's going to be incredible.

1114
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:37.380
What if we got to be good?

1115
01:08:37.439 --> 01:08:39.840
If you press the button, it's that one.

1116
01:08:40.020 --> 01:08:42.180
Okay, here goes.

1117
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:48.300
Your random Star Trek, the animated series episode is the counter clock incident.

1118
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:50.159
Oh, that doesn't sound as exciting.

1119
01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:51.060
Episode 6.

1120
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:52.739
Season two.

1121
01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:53.760
That's the last episode.

1122
01:08:53.819 --> 01:08:58.920
Oh, it's the finale of the original series on TV.

1123
01:09:00.779 --> 01:09:04.319
Do you have a synopsis or something?

1124
01:09:04.380 --> 01:09:06.779
I do happen to have a synopsis right here.

1125
01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:15.479
Yes, an alien ship pulls the enterprise into a supernova, transporting the ship to an alternative universe where time runs backwards.

1126
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:17.220
Oh, no.

1127
01:09:17.220 --> 01:09:19.859
3.5 stars out of 4 from Gemma.

1128
01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:23.399
And he's quite, he's quite harsh on the anime series.

1129
01:09:23.460 --> 01:09:24.359
Well, he's not.

1130
01:09:24.420 --> 01:09:25.199
He's not.

1131
01:09:25.260 --> 01:09:29.520
He's constantly giving these episodes much higher scores than he gives episodes of discovery.

1132
01:09:29.579 --> 01:09:30.420
He's crazy.

1133
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:31.859
What do you think?

1134
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:34.199
I mean, one of his paragraph starts.

1135
01:09:34.260 --> 01:09:43.319
First things first, you have to set aside everything you know about science, even trick science, to accept anything that happens in the counterclock incident. happy to do that.

1136
01:09:43.380 --> 01:09:49.500
I mean, I don't know if you've ever seen the Red Dwarf episode backwards, which runs to the... similar sort of premise.

1137
01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:55.859
I can't imagine it's going to be quite as fun as the scene where the woman uneats a chocolate eclair in the cafe.

1138
01:09:55.979 --> 01:09:58.380
Yeah, no, I don't think it is either.

1139
01:09:58.439 --> 01:09:59.220
What do you think?

1140
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:03.539
But, and what, and considering it is the last episode as well. quite fun.

1141
01:10:03.659 --> 01:10:09.479
Well, like there's really basically no basis on which to prefer one of these episodes over the other.

1142
01:10:09.539 --> 01:10:10.859
We have literally no idea.

1143
01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:14.100
So we may as well let the randomiser choose.

1144
01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:15.720
So that's what we've done.

1145
01:10:15.779 --> 01:10:16.380
All right.

1146
01:10:16.500 --> 01:10:17.760
So the counterclock incident.

1147
01:10:17.819 --> 01:10:19.500
Let's do it All right.

1148
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:39.600
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1149
01:10:39.659 --> 01:10:45.239
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1150
01:10:45.300 --> 01:10:51.060
This episode was recorded on the 12th of March 2024 and released on the 22nd of March.

1151
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:56.640
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the animated series, The Counter Clock Incident.

1152
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:16.319
So, we had the, we had graffiti on our fence.

1153
01:11:16.739 --> 01:11:20.760
And the fences like brick.

1154
01:11:20.819 --> 01:11:26.520
And it was sort of dark blue because the house outside is blue and there was dirt.

1155
01:11:26.579 --> 01:11:28.260
You could see the dirt streaks on it.

1156
01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:33.720
So we had it painted and Calvin chose the colour and in order to not be able to see the dirt streaks.

1157
01:11:33.779 --> 01:11:36.239
He chose fucking dirt colour.

1158
01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:42.300
Does it look attractive?

1159
01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:43.859
It's so horrible.

1160
01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:48.539
It's so bad And like the rest of the house is like blue.

1161
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:50.220
You paint over dirt.

1162
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:51.720
That just gets rid of dirt.

1163
01:11:51.779 --> 01:11:55.979
No, then more dirt comes when the more dirt comes.

1164
01:11:56.100 --> 01:12:00.119
He wants it not to be visible against the beach.

1165
01:12:00.180 --> 01:12:01.199
Just make it look dirty.

1166
01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:02.520
It's plump for dirt colour.

1167
01:12:02.579 --> 01:12:04.500
So the whole fucking thing looks like dirt.

1168
01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:11.520
Like it's sort of sort of like olive, like a really like the fucking place is blue.

1169
01:12:11.579 --> 01:12:16.079
If he'd made it just gray, it would have been fine, but it's sort of greenish.

1170
01:12:16.140 --> 01:12:18.659
It was really sunny today and it looked really gross.

1171
01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:20.460
I'm finding a simple solution.

1172
01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:25.739
I mean, he's done the work, but in terms of finding, something that is aesthetically pleasing.

1173
01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:27.359
It's so ugly.

1174
01:12:27.420 --> 01:12:28.560
It's so bad.

1175
01:12:28.619 --> 01:12:29.880
He's got no idea.

1176
01:12:29.939 --> 01:12:31.739
Oh, I love your stories about Kathy.

1177
01:12:31.859 --> 01:12:32.399
Oh my god.

1178
01:12:33.420 --> 01:12:35.939
Like we didn't have to pay for it.

1179
01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:36.720
Do you know what I mean?

1180
01:12:36.779 --> 01:12:40.260
Like it was insurance because there was graffiti and stuff.

1181
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:42.659
Like we had to pay excess or whatever.

1182
01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:45.180
They call it deductible in America.

1183
01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:48.359
Like, you have to pay a bit and then, you know, it's the rest of it.

1184
01:12:48.420 --> 01:12:49.319
Yeah.

1185
01:12:49.380 --> 01:12:50.880
Anyway, so that's the thing.

1186
01:12:50.939 --> 01:12:52.560
And they pushed over our fountain.

1187
01:12:52.619 --> 01:12:59.039
We have a fountain in the front yard, and someone just kind of... pushed it over and it smashed.

1188
01:12:59.100 --> 01:13:01.920
So that disgruntled students.

1189
01:13:01.979 --> 01:13:02.939
No, I don't know.

1190
01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:04.739
No, they don't know where I live and they love me.

1191
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:06.720
I'm nice to them I'm not horrible to them.

1192
01:13:06.779 --> 01:13:08.640
They've got nothing to be disgruntled about.

1193
01:13:08.699 --> 01:13:11.100
Somebody that was stung by one of the bees perhaps.

1194
01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:11.939
Yeah, it could be that.

1195
01:13:12.060 --> 01:13:13.859
Anyway, it has happened before.

1196
01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:17.340
Like, it's the 2nd time that someone's just pushed it over.

1197
01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:18.720
People abused or whatever.

1198
01:13:18.779 --> 01:13:21.779
Nobody, nobody graffities around here.

1199
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:23.579
They figure it looks bad enough as he is.

1200
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:25.619
They don't want to make us feel even worse.