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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are about to watch season one, episode 23 of Star Trek the

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Next Generation, including the animated series.

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This is the 127th episode of Star Trek.

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So we're about 18th of the way through the history of the program

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as it is today.

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This episode airs 2 days before my 19th birthday on the 25th of

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April 1988 and a big thing happens here, I think, because this

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episode is one of the most memorable episodes of Star Trek the

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Next Generation, but it doesn't do that by being good, really, in

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any way.

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It's a gift in every sense on a word.

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It's a gift to untitled Star Trek project because we're finally

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getting to do series one again.

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It's a gift to you because it's just been your birthday and you've

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got a Star Trek episode the same week.

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It's a gift to the franchise because Tasha Yar's finally dead and

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it gave us Armus as well.

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One of the greatest villains ever to appear in Star Trek.

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So, Armas has gone on to have a continued association with the

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program and...

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Or, you tell me, four.

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Please, detail all of them.

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I'm going to.

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So in series one, episode 8 of Lower Decks, Lieutenant Billips, who

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is obviously the chief engineer of the Cerritos, is suffering from

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nitrogen intoxication, and he yells out, Tasha, no, the garbage

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bag is behind you.

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So.

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Say that.

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Later that year, according to memory alpha, Mariner, in the very

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final episode of Lower Deck series one, threatens to feed Boimler

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to an armus.

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Yes, in series two, episode 6 of Lower Decks, that episode ends

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with the Cerritos crew prank calling, which is pretty great.

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Nathan sent me screenshots of that earlier, somehow in animation

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they've just managed to make that planet look convincing.

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Or perhaps even just identical.

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And Mariner says that he looks like a big bag of crap, which is

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true.

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Does it cut away from him going, He does yell out.

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He does yell out stuff.

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And boiler says that we're touching your staff.

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And he goes, my staff, what are you doing?

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And the, you know, the voice is done by the guy who plays

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Lieutenant Shacks, Fred, Tedashora, who, um, yeah, who plays

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normally they go to.

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Yeah, but bring back the original actors, you know.

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Except that he's not with us anymore.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Also understandable.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then in all in, which we watched just a few weeks ago, an

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episode of Discovery Series 4, has Mazzaro, who was the colourful

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owner of the casino, who had that sort of very weird turn of

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phrase, warns everyone not to act like an armus as well.

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And we didn't comment on it at the time.

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You know, Nathan, I love watching Armistly Oil Slick almost as

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much as a Cardassian likes cake.

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Exactly right.

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Let's get us out of the way, right?

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It's literally the single best and worst Star Trek creation ever

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armours.

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The closest we're ever going to get to a B movie creation is

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essentially a sentient oil slick that genuinely does look like a

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man has got a load of garbage bags over him. waving his arms about

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in a distressing fashion.

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They can sort of slick his way across the unconvincing planetary

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landscape that's been created this week in series one that just

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happens to be a skin of evil, which is so weird.

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What is that?

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Skin evil. explain it in the episode, don't they?

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So basically all the evil impulses of this race of people. sort of

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discarded into this, well, puddle of goo.

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And so we're on this planet, and we have talked a little bit about

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this.

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The last time we did Next Generation Series one, we were on

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location for the Edo Planet, which was another classic.

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Yes, another classic.

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And so here we're on the series one planet set, which they do go

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back to a little bit from time to time, but they very rarely shoot

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it like this where you have the kind of, you know, the back wall

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of the studio is lit and it's meant to be the sky and it's really

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really, really quite crap.

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And I've complained before about Star Trek, the next generation's

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kind of, well, in fact, the 90s Star Trek franchises kind of

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daytime soap opera production values.

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And that's really evident here.

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Like there's no way that this set is in any way acceptable, I

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think.

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But we just watched a TOS episode last week, which was...

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We complained about the set there.

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No, no, no, no.

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Yeah, no, no way, but it was on an artificial set, but it had a

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set piece at the end where we were looking through the gaseous

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clouds point of view and there was handheld how camera work going

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on. and it was a little bit visually dynamic, compared to this

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which is all basically shot in long shot.

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How is 60s television?

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And I know, I know techniques have come on.

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But how is the work of the director?

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How does that feel more dated here than it did then?

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Yeah, it's funny because I remember really, really strongly at the

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time because this is my 1st Star Trek, Star Trek, the Next

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Generation, and I only ever watched TOS later and, you know, in

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bits and pieces, and as the listener might know, I haven't even

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seen all of it, I don't think.

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And so I was really defensive.

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I thought that this was a much better made TV show than...

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I mean, I feel like the model shots or the Enterprise...

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Yeah.

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And make us feel, because there's so much better than the shots of

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the Enterprise in the 60s.

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Yeah.

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And remember too, that we hadn't had the kind of remastered

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version and some of the episodes of Star Trek, the original series

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were in a pretty bad state.

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I seem to remember watching some very, very sort of crummy

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transfers and stuff.

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And so, so, you know what?

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I feel like, I feel like the earlier generation versions of season

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one and 2 of the next generation, you know when it's a bit fuzzier

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um, actually might do the more favours than cleaning them up in HD

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because you can see everything, you know?

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And we've complained before about, you know, seeing the peeling

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makeup and things like that, things that you couldn't see before

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that there is nowhere to hide in HD, unfortunately.

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And so on this set, you know, you see the back wall very clearly.

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There's a grease on it.

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It's a grease on the back wall.

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But I mean, to be fair, you still get that in Star Trek, Strange

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New Worlds, where you can see the effects wall and you know where

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the practical set ends and the effects wall starts.

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When it goes on a pump, though, and say there's a bit more detail

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in Strange New Wells to distract you from that.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it's visually more interesting.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like they're creating this incredibly boring looking planet and

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they're doing a shitty job of it.

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So they're aiming low and they're kind of not really clearing the

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bar.

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At least in lower decks, they're aiming high. trying to create

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some visual interest and they generally do that very well indeed, I

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think.

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So, you know.

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I circle off background so almost for a 2nd please, because I just

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love him so much.

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You and I are Doctor Who fans, right?

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So we're used to shitty B movie aliens turning up.

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But we don't do this too much in Star Trek, you know?

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Star Trek.

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It's usually trying to be a bit more philosophical and a bit more

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highbrow than this.

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Whereas I love the fact that they just go for it in this.

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And he's, and he's a total bastard as well.

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Yeah, so this one's a monster rather than an alien.

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Like, you know, Doctor Who has monsters.

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But Star Trek is aliens.

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You know, it has Americans with latex on their face pretending to

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be different races and stuff, but they're basically people.

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I saw a review of this on Lyra, because I thought I'd go see what

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people thought of this, and obviously no one likes this at all.

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And I think this is part of the reason why is that we can't take

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this seriously because it does have a monster in it and he's just

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terrible.

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Somebody that had a tagline.

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I think it was screen read or something like that.

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It was the most irredeemably bad episode of Star Trek ever.

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I don't think that's true.

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This is much better of a manhold.

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This is easily better.

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This is blissful.

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And in fact, I've got a quote here from Jonathan Brakes, if you

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will allow me, where he says, I think we took greater chances then

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than we do now.

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And he's quoted us saying that somewhere later in the run.

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I think it's sort of around series five.

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We had Patrick sitting and talking to a black oil slick.

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And what was wrong with that?

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It was absurd.

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Marvellous.

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I mean, it's true.

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Yeah, we've said this before.

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We've said that Berman comes in and he raises the floor and he

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probably makes them hit the ceiling a little bit more often

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because one and 2 are pretty rough going.

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But it's much less adventurous and much more timid, I think.

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And I think there is one aspect of this that I think actually

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works really quite well.

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I think I know what it is as well.

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Well, the unexpected nature of Tasha's death.

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Yeah, I think just how throwaway it is.

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And there's a problem with the show that means that this death

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can't matter in the way that the show and the episode wants it

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to.

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And if you think about it, we've had 20 episodes of Strange New

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Worlds, and we would be, like, think how devastated we were when

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Hammer dies at the end of series one after only maybe a handful of

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episode seven.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like it, just because the effect that it had on Ahura was so, so

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incredibly strong, you know, they built up that relationship, all

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of that sort of stuff because that show is about the relationships

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between the characters.

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If you ever watch the previously on Star Trek Strange New Worlds

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it's all about what the characters are interacting with.

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There's nothing about space anomalies or aliens or anything like

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that.

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It's all about interplay between the characters.

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Here, there's none of that and there hasn't been, none of them

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have found their feet in the rolls yet.

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So all of the emotion around her death is absolutely unearned and

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completely forced.

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And so they make an attempt to make it matter at the end.

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So they give her a senseless death in act one.

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They try and make it matter at the end, but it absolutely just

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face plants because there's nothing there.

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Who the fuck records a 10 minute eulogy for their own funeral.

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I mean, if it had been a few weeks later, Dr. Pulaski would have

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been there and none of it would have made it.

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What do you do?

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Redo it every time there's a new crew member coming in.

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Well, yeah, like there's only how many people on the ship?

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You know, like she, she knows who's going to be there. because

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there are only, you know, 8 other people or whatever on the entire

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ship.

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It is a bit crazy.

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That is the most unintentionally funny 5 minutes of Star Trek

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we've watched yet.

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I cannot wait till we get there.

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But it's so, soap, isn't it?

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With that dreadful synth music, overdone melodrama, the appalling

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dialogue.

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And Denise Crosby is delivering it, unfortunately.

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So on every level, it fails to move me.

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Well, but it's worse than so because soap opera is about

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relationships between the characters.

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And when you kill a character off.

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The fun of that is watching all of the other characters interact

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and how they react to that.

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Look at what happens later on when they take Terry Farrell out of

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DS9.

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It completely changes the status quo and all the relationships on

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that station because that is a character show.

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Next week, we just have another adventure and Tasha's not there.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And we get a mention of what, once, twice a year, maybe, or if

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we're lucky.

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Yeah.

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And I think there are some good mentions of it.

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Like I think that the way that data is, you know, data has sex

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with her in episode 2 of this season and and his relationship with

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her and even her kind of, there is a sort of acknowledgement of

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that, this episode, just in the way that she speaks to him, they're

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playing it, you know, that way, I think, or I'm reading it into it

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but certainly it works, if you're aware of that.

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Remember in Measure of a Man, there's something about that, and

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doesn't he have a little hologram?

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Data has a little crystal that has a hologram of Tasha delivering

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that speech.

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They are cute moments, but it's unearned because there's no

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relationship here.

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No, that's right.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And it's, I think now it's misremembered as being something more

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vital than it actually was.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. which is just a gag in the naked now and this

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moment here, you know.

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So by all accounts, there were some issues with how to write

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Tashiar out in this episode.

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So Memory Alpha tells us, at the time this episode was written

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several rumours have been servicing that Roddenberry's lawyer

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Leonard Mayach, it's a strange name, was rewriting a majority of

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the season's script, an illegal act in terms of the writer's guild

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policies.

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According to one source, he was responsible for the dismal manner

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of Yar's demise.

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I wanted to be sure that Roddenberry's story idea was enforced and

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that Yar's death happens as a matter of course during a dangerous

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mission, despite the differing views held by various writers

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involved in the story.

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In the end, there was a considerable controversy amongst the

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show's staff regarding this death.

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Some felt it was cynically manipulative, while others felt that

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swift death made sense to avoid sentimentality.

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They did not avoid sentimentality at all.

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No, I think that in fact, that's the best aspect of it.

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That they kill her in act one and that it's absolutely clear that

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she's dead.

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And I think that that kind of raises the stakes a bit, but it

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doesn't really matter.

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We could have had the episode without it.

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But I think that's well done.

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I think that it really wrong foots the audience, the episode

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doesn't end up really being about that as such.

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And, you know, like, like, imagine if they tried to make the

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episode about that.

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Like, like the show can barely manage to get this death right when

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it's just incidental kind of at the beginning.

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If the whole thing had been this sort of gloopy, incredible kind

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of thing.

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And and let's remember that we get to do it right later, that the

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show, once the show gets good, it brings her back and redoes her

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death and allows her to die in order to save the timeline.

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They do.

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And that was our very 1st episode of Untitled.

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We covered it really well there, but they can't let it go, can

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they?

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No?

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So it turns out at some point had sex with a wrong... they ruin

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it.

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And in a great, one of the greatest soap opera twist ever.

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Although we play enough Romulan is dismal.

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The twist itself is wonderful.

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It is pretty great.

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Yeah, yeah. one of my 1st memories of it is actually hearing that

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that was the cliffhanger with before I'd seen it and thinking, holy

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crap, what is what's going on here?

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Getting off a regular, it's just something we don't get to do very

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often in Star Trek because most people, you know, are there for

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the entire course.

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I do think it's done, the same thing happens when Dax dies.

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It's done in a very quick scene.

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It's a villain literally tossing her aside.

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Yeah, but it just has the consequences that sort of thing needs

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you know, in terms of plot and in terms of character.

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Whereas here, it's literally throwaway, isn't it?

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She's just frozen.

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I feel as if I said to you, I feel as if Broadenbury, you know

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she's like, Gene, I've had enough.

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I'm not doing this.

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He's like, right, fine.

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Just have the villain wave his wrist and she's gone.

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Although I actually think that all of the stuff that she does in

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the lead up to this episode, and I don't, I didn't see this in

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memory alpha, but I have a strong memory at the time of her saying

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if they had written more scenes like the one between her and Worf

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in the cold open, she would have stayed, because I think that

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scene is great, and maybe one of her best scenes in her run on the

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show.

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And a lot of those scenes come up for all the regulars for the

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remaining 6 years.

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So maybe she should have just sort of waited a little bit.

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Although she still would have been the same problem with what she

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was complaining about, which is you get an episode twice a year

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you know, and you can do other work where you're the focus all the

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time and fair enough, but on an ensemble show.

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The trouble with Tasha Yar as a character is, one, I just don't

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think the backstory works, this whole coming from this terrible

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planet with rape gangs, that's just icky and they should never

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have gotten that.

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They certainly never should have done a flashback to that in an

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earlier episode.

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Who, they just write her in the most over the top way any

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character has ever been written for, they're beaten hide and queue

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where she's putting Hugh's penalty box, and she's like, what am I

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doing?

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Crying.

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And Picard's like, I've created a new rule.

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It is okay to fry in the penalty box and it's just agonisingly

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terrible.

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And I think Denise has scenes like that in series one.

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Everyone has agonisingly terrible scenes.

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No, no one as well.

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As melodramatic as Tachio, no. everyone has their moments, but

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poor Tasha.

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When she's cuddling that kitty cat in one episode, just say no

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drug scene in that episode. miserable.

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You know, justice.

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There was a few moments of justice that we you know, we were

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lamenting.

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So really, it does feel like putting a sick dog down.

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Well, I'm not quite as negative about her as that.

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Because I think that on that basis, you would have killed off

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Deanna, who I think, like, I think that...

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Justifiably in my book.

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Oh, no, I think she has a terrible episode this week and it's down

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to the writing and to the conception of the character, I think.

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Although it does mean that sort of in all future conversation, now

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I've got to start saying things to you like, you know, Nathan, I

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can censor pain and anguish.

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I feel real pity for you.

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Although, we'll get there, the bit where she does show empathy and

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he punishes her for it. by dragging Riker into the oil slick.

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I thought that was...

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I'll tell you what, I'm going to be mercilessly cruel and

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sarcastic about this episode because it is fairly appalling

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television every way you can measure it.

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I also have one of the best times watching Star Trek.

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It's really fun.

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In Asia for UTSB watching this.

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So I think it is brilliantly watchable for all the wrong reasons.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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I think we should go in.

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I don't know I'm not sure I've had this much fun with no

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generation since sub Rosy, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, for the same reason I think.

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I'm sort of like at the same point in the 1st of last season.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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All right.

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I'll count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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And our spectacular model shop.

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Perfectly convinced this is going to be a very polished

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production.

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It's the same one that they show at the beginning of every single

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episode.

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So back in the day, you know, they used to go to Pacifica and they

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would pick people up from conferences and stuff.

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I actually thought that that made the ship seem a little bit

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exciting and kind of created a world for them that they belonged

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in.

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It's interesting because I do actually pick up Councillor Troy in

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this, but in later seasons, when they want to write Marina Sotis

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out, there's a number of episodes where it doesn't appear. and

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they just go, she's at this conference.

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That's why she's not here this week.

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Well, I thought that they did that a bit in series one because

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they're a bit iffy about whether they were going to keep her on.

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I could be wrong about that.

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So this...

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Okay, why they came to that conclusion.

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So this is the scene that I was talking about.

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This is a scene that I was talking about before, which is the

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scene where, so she, look at that smile. but she's still eye

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rolling and doing that wee half smile.

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She can't play any of it naturalistically.

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No, no, but this is Star Trek.

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No one needs to play it naturalistically.

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What she's doing, though, is showing a bit of vulnerability.

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Like, I thought that that was really quite sweet that she shows a

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little bit of vulnerability, which I thought was really cool.

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You not think she showed vulnerability when she was crying in the

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penalty box?

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Yeah, yeah, but this was kind of nice.

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And it was a little bit of sort of, it was banter that puts

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Voyager flight deck banter in the shade.

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No, but then we cut to Picard going, it'll be very nice to see

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Kowsla Troy again, won't it, break out?

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He's like, oh, 70 will, sir, yes.

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Oh, no, just no tall iPad.

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I know we always bring this up, but the way they lean back in

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these chairs and see.

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That's going to do your back, I'm telling you.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Those chairs.

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Well they don't last, do they?

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Like they they do end up being able to sit up right?

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Have you noticed as well?

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They actually have got the lights quite dim there because there's

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shadows everywhere.

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Have you noticed?

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Normally it's that sort of flat mat lighting that we get on the

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bridge.

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Well, I think that series one and series 2 look visible, like why

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the fuck are people wearing these overalls in series one as well?

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Do you notice how the fella says his whole name every time he

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comes on the com?

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Yeah, so this is Leland T. Lynch, and I don't quite know what's

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going on here, I have to say.

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Because he says his name a bunch of times.

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And of course, we don't have a regular chief engineer on the

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show.

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They've decided they're not going to make that a regular role.

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And then they just they do.

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Well, because what happens is they've got warfood doesn't seem to

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do anything but just hang around on the bridge saying things.

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And you've got Geordie who's sort of sitting in a chair and you

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kind of think, well, now that we've got rid of one of the regulars

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we're clearly making wharf, giving that horrible shot, that shot.

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Look at that, where we're looking down on the entire bridge and we

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see...

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So much dead space in it.

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Yeah, for the cameras to roll up and down.

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Like, that's why it's there.

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You shouldn't expose that to everybody, though.

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That's right.

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So, you know what I mean?

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They rationalise it.

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So they they go, screw this stuff with just make Geordie, the

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chief engineer.

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He does great techno babble.

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He'll be perfect.

489
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I mean, when it becomes a phenomenon, they could have just had

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like some fabulous guest, famous celebrity playing the engineer

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every week if they kept this up.

492
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Yeah, yeah.

493
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Well, I mean, you know, like a little bit like Strangely World

494
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Steed series, too.

495
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Hello, this is Judy Denshi.

496
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Impulse power, of course. would be great.

497
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No, imagine the people you could get in, though.

498
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:40.859
Come on.

499
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:41.880
Yeah, tell you.

500
00:24:41.940 --> 00:24:45.480
I think that, you know, Walker Boone is the name of the accent who

501
00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:49.859
plays Leland T. Lynch, which is just his name. can't say the whole

502
00:24:49.859 --> 00:24:50.579
name, can you?

503
00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:53.279
It's as good a name as Leland D. Lynch actually.

504
00:24:53.339 --> 00:24:57.119
Hello, Joe Michael Ford here, reporting podcasting duty.

505
00:24:59.099 --> 00:25:01.140
Tell me your middle name now.

506
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:02.279
I don't have one.

507
00:25:02.339 --> 00:25:04.920
It's a funny thing but I just don't have one at all.

508
00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:06.119
It's enough on its own.

509
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:09.180
Yeah, I've got plenty going on there.

510
00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:13.440
But is he?

511
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:17.160
I'm going to count how many times he says it. 4 times.

512
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:17.700
Yeah.

513
00:25:17.819 --> 00:25:20.339
Do you think he's like just trying to get noticed and it's kind of

514
00:25:20.339 --> 00:25:22.740
like, well, maybe he can be the chief engineer.

515
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:26.400
We need a white guy for some reason, to be a guy.

516
00:25:26.460 --> 00:25:27.779
Like, you feel like that's a character.

517
00:25:27.779 --> 00:25:31.319
Lower tech should pick up on. somebody should just go, do you

518
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:32.339
think you're somebody?

519
00:25:32.460 --> 00:25:34.079
Yeah, yeah.

520
00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:37.140
Although we've got, we've got Lieutenant Billips, who is a pretty

521
00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:40.680
great chief engineer, I have to say, as chief engineers go.

522
00:25:40.740 --> 00:25:46.140
We talked a bit off camera about the incidental music in this

523
00:25:46.140 --> 00:25:46.500
episode.

524
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:50.519
He said it's Ron Jones, who I think is probably the best musician

525
00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:54.779
Star Trek ever had in terms of sort of driving an atmosphere and a

526
00:25:54.779 --> 00:25:55.920
bit of drama into the show.

527
00:25:55.980 --> 00:25:56.700
Yeah.

528
00:25:56.700 --> 00:25:59.460
Sorry, away from the original series where the music's just

529
00:25:59.460 --> 00:26:00.420
fabulous, obviously.

530
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:02.880
Oh, yeah. and Kersman Trak, where the music's good as well.

531
00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:05.039
But in 90s track, he's really strong.

532
00:26:05.099 --> 00:26:11.220
And here, I think, he does create a sense of it, sort of

533
00:26:11.220 --> 00:26:15.000
foreboding and a sense of strangeness already.

534
00:26:15.059 --> 00:26:20.400
Even the standard stuff. 1st go down onto that dreadful planet set

535
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:20.579
right?

536
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:23.160
And the camera just pans across before they beam in.

537
00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:26.819
There's a weird music playing.

538
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.240
Like, why is why is Riker sitting like that?

539
00:26:30.299 --> 00:26:30.779
He behind it.

540
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:31.319
Like, look at that.

541
00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:32.640
Why does he seem like that?

542
00:26:32.700 --> 00:26:33.900
What's happening there?

543
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:35.940
Because he's an old man and he's very relaxed.

544
00:26:36.059 --> 00:26:39.299
Jonathan has a bad back, I think, right?

545
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:42.420
I don't think that's the reason why I'm honest.

546
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:43.500
It's strange.

547
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:47.700
But like every so often you see a shot and you go, they would

548
00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:50.160
never, ever shoot it like that in series three.

549
00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:52.920
Like it's it's very strange.

550
00:26:52.980 --> 00:26:53.880
There are some...

551
00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:55.680
No one looks comfortable in their uniforms either.

552
00:26:55.740 --> 00:26:57.539
This is the only uniforms, isn't it?

553
00:26:57.599 --> 00:26:59.160
And everybody said...

554
00:26:59.579 --> 00:27:03.299
It was so tight that you just couldn't get a decent pose in it.

555
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:05.640
Maybe that's why he's sitting like that.

556
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:06.960
Jonathan like that.

557
00:27:07.019 --> 00:27:08.880
And look at like look at Denise.

558
00:27:08.940 --> 00:27:11.339
Like, why is she leaning on the wall thing?

559
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:12.539
Charles Nathan.

560
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:13.200
Come on, let her.

561
00:27:13.259 --> 00:27:17.099
Yeah, she's getting some good leaning in before she...

562
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.539
Joseph L. Stanland.

563
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:20.460
Did he go on to do anything exciting?

564
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:22.799
No, I don't know. didn't look it up.

565
00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:24.900
See that, the lighting there.

566
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:26.039
Look at the lighting there.

567
00:27:26.099 --> 00:27:30.599
The way that the, the, the ceiling is lit, all of that stuff is

568
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:32.880
completely different from how the show would end up looking.

569
00:27:32.940 --> 00:27:35.400
Don't have a house style yet, do they?

570
00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:35.819
No.

571
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:37.980
And I actually think quite exciting.

572
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:42.240
Well, I actually think that it's better lit or more interestingly

573
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:43.559
lit in one and two.

574
00:27:43.619 --> 00:27:47.519
Obviously much worse made in all sorts of ways, but I do think

575
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.880
that that flat studio key lighting is very boring.

576
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:55.019
Weirdly more entertaining, though, than not gameplay, sir.

577
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:56.279
Like, what came next?

578
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:57.000
It was worthy.

579
00:27:57.059 --> 00:27:58.619
What's this shot?

580
00:27:58.680 --> 00:27:59.940
Why is he sitting like that?

581
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:01.259
That's baffling.

582
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:04.619
Well, they've given them these relaxing leather chairs.

583
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:05.099
Look at that.

584
00:28:05.099 --> 00:28:05.519
Look at that.

585
00:28:05.579 --> 00:28:06.000
Look at that.

586
00:28:06.059 --> 00:28:08.279
Why is Picard set like that?

587
00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:10.319
And it is quite a tense situation.

588
00:28:10.380 --> 00:28:12.539
You think they'd all be sort of alert, wouldn't you?

589
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:13.680
Look, watch this.

590
00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:15.660
That's the camera pans around the set now.

591
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:17.819
Sure, I'll quite like the shuttle crash.

592
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:19.559
Yeah, I think the shuttle is good.

593
00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:24.720
I mean, it's clearly like far bigger inside than that models.

594
00:28:24.779 --> 00:28:27.119
We know that the oil sticks our problem because we don't normally

595
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:28.440
have one on the set, you know?

596
00:28:28.500 --> 00:28:32.700
Although I do think it was a bit disingenuous for you earlier to

597
00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:37.079
suggest you went, it's the set from series one as if they only had

598
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:37.259
one.

599
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:38.700
Well, they do.

600
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:39.960
I mean, they basically do.

601
00:28:40.019 --> 00:28:43.559
There's a planet hell set, which is where they tend to shoot alien

602
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:44.400
planets on.

603
00:28:44.460 --> 00:28:47.339
That's where they've got that big wall that they all climb up with

604
00:28:47.339 --> 00:28:48.240
the rain coming down.

605
00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:49.559
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

606
00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:51.000
And what ends up happening?

607
00:28:51.059 --> 00:28:51.779
I mean, look at this.

608
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:55.980
You can see where the, you know, the planet is painted. like, you

609
00:28:55.980 --> 00:28:59.579
know, like just built up against the back wall of the studio.

610
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:04.200
I quite like these CGI effects of the slick. moving about.

611
00:29:04.259 --> 00:29:07.980
I mean, it's shit, but it, you know, props to them.

612
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:08.700
They having a go.

613
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:10.319
And that was on the original episode.

614
00:29:10.380 --> 00:29:11.099
That wasn't.

615
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:11.700
Yes.

616
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:12.900
No, no, no, I remember.

617
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:16.140
It's so...

618
00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:19.200
There wasn't TV really like this in...

619
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:20.460
That's exactly it.

620
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:23.400
So we'd had Battlestar Galactica.

621
00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:27.299
Remember after Star Wars in the late 70s, but that's nearly 10

622
00:29:27.299 --> 00:29:29.279
years ago, and that was not that great.

623
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.099
I just think it's so fun.

624
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:33.480
He's such an asshole.

625
00:29:33.539 --> 00:29:36.000
What he's got to do is let him across, but he just keeps getting

626
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:37.259
in their way everywhere.

627
00:29:37.259 --> 00:29:38.279
They try and go around.

628
00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:42.059
Yeah, I mean, this thing too, they just aren't sure what they're

629
00:29:42.059 --> 00:29:43.019
doing yet, aren't they?

630
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.900
And so it's kind of like maintain an open frequency.

631
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:47.519
It's just like, well, why don't you always do that?

632
00:29:47.579 --> 00:29:48.660
You've got an away team.

633
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:50.279
No one else is fucking doing anything up here.

634
00:29:50.339 --> 00:29:51.839
Just leave the phone on.

635
00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:55.859
Like we said, just this sort of weird monster story.

636
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:58.380
I think they could have done with a bit more of this later.

637
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:01.619
Mind you, then I complained about every time they did it in the

638
00:30:01.619 --> 00:30:03.240
series 7, so maybe I should just shut up.

639
00:30:03.299 --> 00:30:09.420
I kind of like, I mean, you know, Beverly has something that Gates

640
00:30:09.420 --> 00:30:10.259
can understand.

641
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:11.880
I'd like this too.

642
00:30:11.940 --> 00:30:17.220
So the actual pit, so they, they build a pit that's big enough for

643
00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:25.019
the actor playing the body of Armus. and, and, to go in.

644
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:26.400
Do you know what I mean?

645
00:30:26.460 --> 00:30:27.240
Like, and it's deep.

646
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.240
And that thing where you see the surface of it moving.

647
00:30:30.299 --> 00:30:33.960
There's something under their moving, kind of, it's metamucil, I

648
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:34.920
think, is what they say.

649
00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:38.579
It's a bit weird because the consistency of it now.

650
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:42.180
And the consistency of it later when there's a person in there is

651
00:30:42.180 --> 00:30:43.259
very different.

652
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:46.200
Yeah, but I think this...

653
00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:47.400
A bubble is coming up.

654
00:30:47.460 --> 00:30:48.539
I like the bubbles.

655
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:51.720
And I also like the way that the light reflects off armours.

656
00:30:51.779 --> 00:30:53.519
I think is really striking.

657
00:30:53.579 --> 00:30:55.980
Like this show is not terrible.

658
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:59.460
No, this is him coming up very slowly out of the oil.

659
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:03.420
The trouble is, is when he's out and it's got his flappy arm.

660
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:08.880
There are some shots from the side as well where he's sort of

661
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.400
halfway out of the thing, which just looks absolutely shit.

662
00:31:11.460 --> 00:31:14.160
Like, it... interesting you should say to a thing.

663
00:31:14.220 --> 00:31:15.180
It does look at me.

664
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.240
A B movie. called the thing.

665
00:31:18.299 --> 00:31:19.380
Yeah, yeah.

666
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:21.660
Yeah, it's a silhouette of it.

667
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:22.259
That's the trouble.

668
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:24.779
It's the silhouette of it and he keeps shooting it against that

669
00:31:24.779 --> 00:31:29.579
flat backdrop of the planet backdrop and the whole thing just

670
00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:31.200
looks cheap and unconvincing.

671
00:31:31.259 --> 00:31:35.220
Michael's makeup is so bad too in series one, isn't it?

672
00:31:35.339 --> 00:31:37.440
Like, they, like that.

673
00:31:37.500 --> 00:31:40.140
Like it's dripping off it, which is pretty good.

674
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.000
But it's done in reverse.

675
00:31:42.059 --> 00:31:42.599
Did you notice?

676
00:31:42.660 --> 00:31:44.339
All the oil was sucking back onto it.

677
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:45.720
So that looks quite good.

678
00:31:45.779 --> 00:31:48.660
And then unfortunately now it's just a man lolloping about.

679
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.460
But I do think that the light off it.

680
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:52.799
Do you remember the monster of the Sheliac?

681
00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:57.299
It's like an intransigent alien in a series 2 episode that just

682
00:31:57.299 --> 00:31:59.880
prevents them from going somewhere for no reason that I can't

683
00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:03.240
remember what it is, and it's sort of shot in negative space in

684
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:06.180
this sort of black set, and it looks like it's wearing a big puffy

685
00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:08.099
black 1980s ball gown.

686
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.799
I feel like I should remember that but I don't.

687
00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:13.079
See, he's a bit like the Sheliac anyway.

688
00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:15.660
Underneath it, there's a great shot.

689
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:17.339
If everyone go, look on memory alpha.

690
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:19.259
Oh, no, wait, Tasha's about to die.

691
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:20.220
Hold baffle.

692
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:26.339
So what I like about it is just how she's doing her job in a

693
00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:28.079
professional, no nonsense way.

694
00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:31.079
That, like that final line of hers.

695
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.799
Like her last line, we won't hurt you, but we have to help them.

696
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:36.180
Like, that's good.

697
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:37.200
I think that's good.

698
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.859
I don't think anyone ever foresaw that they were going to die on

699
00:32:40.859 --> 00:32:42.180
this dreadful planet though.

700
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:44.400
The stunt isn't great though, is it?

701
00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:49.680
She sort of just, yeah, I thought it was better than, you might

702
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:50.339
have expected.

703
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:53.039
There's a much worse sort of stunt work in this episode.

704
00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:57.420
What I love is everyone looks so appalled when she goes, she's

705
00:32:57.420 --> 00:32:57.779
dead.

706
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:01.680
Because like Beverly brings people back to life from the dead all

707
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:01.980
the time.

708
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:04.859
Yeah, just get some cord routine, Beverly.

709
00:33:04.980 --> 00:33:06.000
We talked about that last week.

710
00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:07.500
She's out.

711
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:09.180
She didn't order her supply.

712
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:09.480
So.

713
00:33:09.660 --> 00:33:13.380
But we have that whole sequence in Sick Bay, and I think

714
00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:16.140
everyone's there going, even Riker goes half-heartedly.

715
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:17.339
Yeah, you did it.

716
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:18.299
He just got...

717
00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:18.960
Yeah, I know.

718
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:25.079
Like, and there's a sense in which everyone's reaction to her

719
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:30.119
death and to what's going on here is that they know that it's the

720
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:31.440
beginning of the episode.

721
00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:34.259
It's still act one and so they're not going to kill a regular

722
00:33:34.259 --> 00:33:38.220
unless it's at the end of the episode in a massive grand self

723
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:38.220
sacrifice.

724
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:40.619
So no one can quite believe that it's happening.

725
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:42.839
So we've got some handheld stuff here.

726
00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:46.440
And my memory of this as a kid was that it was incredibly dynamic

727
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:48.299
and the camera kept moving and all of that.

728
00:33:48.299 --> 00:33:51.119
And now I look at it, it's like really super boring.

729
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:54.059
I mean, I think for the time for Star Trek.

730
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:54.660
This is...

731
00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:56.519
I was starting up because it might, yeah.

732
00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:59.819
I love the music in this bit, though.

733
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:03.119
Yeah, yeah, the music's really good.

734
00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:08.579
I think there's some a little bit of good acting here from Beverly

735
00:34:08.579 --> 00:34:08.940
as well.

736
00:34:09.059 --> 00:34:13.980
There's one bit where she just starts whispering because she keeps

737
00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:14.699
doing it.

738
00:34:14.820 --> 00:34:16.139
She keeps running this thing.

739
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:20.039
She keeps setting the thing and she says, she says, you know, again

740
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.320
again, but she's whispering for some reason.

741
00:34:23.099 --> 00:34:23.820
No, I like that.

742
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:24.420
I like that.

743
00:34:25.019 --> 00:34:28.440
But like and they just won't stop doing it.

744
00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:29.760
You know, she's a regular.

745
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:30.659
She can't die.

746
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:32.340
We have to keep doing this thing.

747
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:37.320
I can't take my eyes off that blood splat on her cheek, though.

748
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:38.039
Yeah, yeah.

749
00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:39.179
What is that?

750
00:34:39.179 --> 00:34:41.400
It's done with the sharpie.

751
00:34:41.460 --> 00:34:45.000
I've been watching watercolour challenge lately and it looks a bit

752
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:46.739
like the logo to that.

753
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:50.159
Like, even it just been a bruise that would have been kind of

754
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:54.179
boring, but what they've gone for is something really just much

755
00:34:54.179 --> 00:34:55.440
stupider than that, I think.

756
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:57.300
Cartoon blood splap.

757
00:34:57.420 --> 00:34:58.800
Yeah, yeah, it's very bad.

758
00:34:58.860 --> 00:35:03.059
It's something on a skin from the, you know, the, I don't know, but

759
00:35:03.059 --> 00:35:04.380
this.

760
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:11.099
So he walks over there, she says, She can't do anything more like

761
00:35:11.099 --> 00:35:14.159
this is her deciding that it's done.

762
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:16.019
And then he just can't believe it.

763
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:20.579
Like, he just I only cannot believe it. gone and look at how she

764
00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:21.119
touches.

765
00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:23.400
Look how tenderly she touches her forehead.

766
00:35:23.460 --> 00:35:24.059
I like that.

767
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:30.300
I thought that was sweet, you know, like, you know, and Gates can

768
00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:33.360
play this because it's clear what's going on in this scene.

769
00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:36.480
She's not having to explain anything, you know.

770
00:35:36.539 --> 00:35:37.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

771
00:35:37.380 --> 00:35:37.679
Yeah.

772
00:35:37.739 --> 00:35:40.260
But then back to the oil slick on the planet.

773
00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:41.820
Look, and it's not that great.

774
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:43.739
Like, it's still pretty shit.

775
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:47.099
But like I'm doing what I can here.

776
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:52.139
I mean, it's certainly better than the scene in the infirmary when

777
00:35:52.139 --> 00:35:53.219
Jadzia dies.

778
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:54.119
Oh, yeah.

779
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:57.179
Our baby would have been so beautiful.

780
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:06.480
I also want to pour one out to poor old Ben Prieto, who?

781
00:36:06.539 --> 00:36:10.980
So Ben, who everyone's forgotten about, and I think it's really

782
00:36:10.980 --> 00:36:12.480
slightly gross.

783
00:36:12.539 --> 00:36:18.300
So he's the black guy who is flying the shuttle and we start on

784
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:19.079
his face.

785
00:36:19.139 --> 00:36:22.739
He's just kind of lying unconscious with his face on a console.

786
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.019
And when Picard comes in.

787
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:29.340
Like, it's not until he walks past him and doesn't even notice.

788
00:36:29.820 --> 00:36:34.860
You know, and it's only when Dana mentions him that it's a thing.

789
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:39.179
Also, I think what's really good is that we don't see Deanna until

790
00:36:39.179 --> 00:36:40.440
Tasha is dead.

791
00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:41.639
Right?

792
00:36:41.699 --> 00:36:43.199
Yeah, that's great.

793
00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:46.380
Well, I actually think the lighting is very nice as well.

794
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:47.219
It's quite moody.

795
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:48.599
You know, it's sort of...

796
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:50.880
Hunt for red October-ish.

797
00:36:51.900 --> 00:36:56.699
So what, what's sort of happening here is this should be a Deanna

798
00:36:56.699 --> 00:37:02.519
episode, and I think, I think that Deanna can't really hold her

799
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:04.019
own in an episode yet.

800
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:09.000
I think that writing for her is so bad and the character

801
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:10.260
conception is bad.

802
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.139
You know, She.

803
00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:18.780
She, she needs to have contempt for him, but because she's such a

804
00:37:18.780 --> 00:37:23.699
good girl, and because the dialogue says pity, like it would be

805
00:37:23.699 --> 00:37:25.320
much better if she just...

806
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:28.559
Player in the rum, yeah, she could, she could be...

807
00:37:28.619 --> 00:37:31.559
If she had been more brutal and vicious.

808
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:39.000
And if it had been, because what is it, he reacts to her pity.

809
00:37:39.059 --> 00:37:42.239
He reacts to being reminded of being abandoned.

810
00:37:42.300 --> 00:37:46.800
And so the way that we get out of this situation is by convincing

811
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:47.099
him.

812
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:52.019
Not that he's a great terrifying piece of evil, but that he's

813
00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:57.059
pathetic, you know, and a great terrifying piece of evil. piece of

814
00:37:57.059 --> 00:37:57.420
evil.

815
00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:58.559
That was the working title.

816
00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:04.019
No, but you know, he goes on about, oh, I am evil.

817
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:05.340
I do not just serve evil.

818
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:06.239
I am evil, you know.

819
00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:09.539
Those the reason those things work for me, though. is just because

820
00:38:09.539 --> 00:38:11.579
he is just so relentlessly.

821
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:12.960
I'll see with everybody.

822
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.480
When Troy tries to be nice to him.

823
00:38:15.539 --> 00:38:17.159
It's like, I don't want your pity.

824
00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:19.320
And he hurts somebody.

825
00:38:19.380 --> 00:38:22.500
The more nice she is, the more horrible he is.

826
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:23.699
And that's kind of fun.

827
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:26.699
But yeah, our poor Marina service.

828
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:28.139
We are discovered.

829
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.739
I mean, it took us a long time, but we did eventually discover in

830
00:38:31.739 --> 00:38:34.860
Picard cheering one and 3 that she could act.

831
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:37.739
She needed the material to do it.

832
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:41.219
She gets drunk in 1st contact and from then on, we discover she

833
00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:41.579
can.

834
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:44.699
But that is after 7 seasons of the show that she goes in.

835
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:50.639
She's still great in face of face of the enemy and you know, she's

836
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:53.699
pretty funny in the loss in bits of the loss.

837
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:56.280
She's, um, do you know what I mean?

838
00:38:56.340 --> 00:38:57.239
She can be arsy.

839
00:38:57.300 --> 00:38:58.920
We've seen her being...

840
00:38:58.980 --> 00:39:03.179
She's utterly contemptuous for how they wrote her when she talks

841
00:39:03.179 --> 00:39:04.320
in conventional appearances.

842
00:39:04.380 --> 00:39:07.559
She uses that line about, oh, they always made me a good time

843
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:08.159
girl.

844
00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:09.239
I mean, look at me.

845
00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:10.559
She goes, yeah, yeah.

846
00:39:10.619 --> 00:39:13.619
No, not a good time girl, like a good little girl, a good Greek

847
00:39:13.619 --> 00:39:14.159
girl.

848
00:39:14.219 --> 00:39:15.119
Do you know what I mean?

849
00:39:15.179 --> 00:39:18.599
Who does all the right things and, you know, would never do

850
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:21.659
anything wrong and doesn't have a sarcastic bone in her body.

851
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.420
And it's Marina, and she's fabulous.

852
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:27.300
And you just give an ounce of that to the character.

853
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:31.320
But she had to do all of this work, you know, work her way through

854
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:36.179
all of this turgid, very characterisation, to come out the other

855
00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:40.380
side, to when the show was a success, to finally bring her own

856
00:39:40.380 --> 00:39:41.760
personality.

857
00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:45.179
But she had to go through all of that to get there. that's crazy.

858
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:49.500
Well, and then you think about, like, she's, she's really

859
00:39:49.500 --> 00:39:52.679
distressed at the end of this episode, but I don't think I've ever

860
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:56.400
been more moved by Marina's performance than in Nepenthe when she

861
00:39:56.400 --> 00:40:00.719
talks about how scared she is now that Thad died.

862
00:40:00.780 --> 00:40:02.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

863
00:40:02.579 --> 00:40:03.480
So good.

864
00:40:03.539 --> 00:40:04.440
She's so good.

865
00:40:04.500 --> 00:40:08.400
At the end of this, she's just wailing and blubbing the whole way

866
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:10.019
through that funeral scene.

867
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:10.920
It's terrible.

868
00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:13.679
So in fact, that was Marina.

869
00:40:13.739 --> 00:40:16.199
She was so...

870
00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:17.460
Yeah, yeah.

871
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:19.920
Well, she was like, that could have been my role.

872
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:21.780
I was almost half of cashier.

873
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:25.980
It was her or me. was clearly touch and go.

874
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:29.639
But it's worth pointing out. they didn't want to get rid of Tasha

875
00:40:29.699 --> 00:40:31.139
was all Denise's choice.

876
00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:32.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

877
00:40:32.940 --> 00:40:37.739
Um, I just the show would have been so different, I think, if

878
00:40:37.739 --> 00:40:38.639
she'd have stayed.

879
00:40:38.699 --> 00:40:43.260
Yeah, I think I think it would have been fine.

880
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:45.000
Oh, no, no, no.

881
00:40:45.059 --> 00:40:47.460
I mean, the same production team would have came in, the same

882
00:40:47.460 --> 00:40:50.400
choice they would have been made, found a way to make the

883
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:51.480
character work, I think.

884
00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:52.860
But, yeah.

885
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:54.480
I would have liked to have seen that, though.

886
00:40:54.539 --> 00:40:56.639
Well, we did see it for one episode.

887
00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:57.900
Yeah, yeah.

888
00:40:57.960 --> 00:40:58.920
And she was great in it.

889
00:40:58.980 --> 00:40:59.940
She was wonderful.

890
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:04.260
Oh, here we go.

891
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:05.460
More empathy.

892
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.400
You can't hide your emptiness from me.

893
00:41:08.460 --> 00:41:09.300
Almost.

894
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:12.420
Yeah, then you, like, you talk about how bad Denise is, but look

895
00:41:12.420 --> 00:41:13.739
how bad Marina is here.

896
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:15.360
Look how bad everyone is.

897
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.260
I'm not making an argument for Marina 30s in this episode.

898
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.019
I mean, I think is heroic.

899
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:26.519
The fact that she's given it a go.

900
00:41:26.579 --> 00:41:27.780
Yeah, 0 yeah.

901
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:31.199
And like this is the potential to be super interesting because she

902
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:32.579
has power over him.

903
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:36.420
He thinks that he has all the power and he's omnipotent, but she's

904
00:41:36.420 --> 00:41:40.500
a counsellor and that works because he's abandoned and has got all

905
00:41:40.500 --> 00:41:41.699
this abandonment stuff.

906
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.039
And so she actually finds out.

907
00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:48.059
She's the one who finds out what happened to him and what makes

908
00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:49.019
him vulnerable.

909
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:52.440
And the sad thing is that then Patrick Stewart has to come down

910
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.079
and put that into playing.

911
00:41:55.139 --> 00:41:58.199
Every episode of series one ends with Patrick Stewart coming down

912
00:41:58.199 --> 00:41:59.460
making a speech.

913
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:01.980
And then we get away and then onto the next place.

914
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.340
The worst one is the drugs one when he goes, you know, you did it

915
00:42:05.340 --> 00:42:07.440
to yourselves, you filthy peasants. lets go.

916
00:42:07.739 --> 00:42:10.320
Leave them in a state of withdrawal.

917
00:42:10.380 --> 00:42:12.599
Which is becomes harmless.

918
00:42:12.659 --> 00:42:15.000
So well handled in lower decks when they go back there.

919
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:18.960
Poor actor that said, not all this shit.

920
00:42:19.619 --> 00:42:22.199
I think my career comes to this.

921
00:42:22.260 --> 00:42:26.519
So the guy doing the voiceover is just a famous voiceover guy.

922
00:42:26.579 --> 00:42:27.960
I couldn't even find a picture of him.

923
00:42:28.019 --> 00:42:32.460
I think one bat is a good voice performance, and I think he's a

924
00:42:32.460 --> 00:42:33.239
great treatment.

925
00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:35.400
That sort of electron treatment over him.

926
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.500
I'm glad they stopped doing this as well.

927
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:47.820
So there's a bit here where Geordie gets taunted by the removal of

928
00:42:47.820 --> 00:42:49.019
his visor.

929
00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:52.679
Um, It happens a couple of times, doesn't it?

930
00:42:52.739 --> 00:42:56.400
Well, no, no, it happened in descent.

931
00:42:56.460 --> 00:42:57.900
Yeah, that was horrible too.

932
00:42:57.960 --> 00:42:59.219
That was just unpleasant.

933
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:02.519
And like they do mention it from time to time, like in the

934
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:05.219
masterpiece society, that was super interesting, you know, where

935
00:43:05.219 --> 00:43:06.659
they were talking about disability and stuff.

936
00:43:07.619 --> 00:43:11.460
Yeah, well, I mean, we're in a stage here, aren't we?

937
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:14.639
Where talking about this stuff when viewed now?

938
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:16.800
Yeah, oh, well, that's right.

939
00:43:16.860 --> 00:43:19.920
Even having a sighted actor like LeVar playing a blind character

940
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:24.119
is not something that we would do now, hence Hammer, I guess.

941
00:43:24.539 --> 00:43:26.940
Are you okay, Troy?

942
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:30.719
Unfortunately, now, Dr. Bev is not in her sick bass, so she's

943
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:31.800
having...

944
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:37.380
Oh, I love the bit where he goes, I warn you.

945
00:43:37.980 --> 00:43:41.219
It's a great a great performance, I think.

946
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:43.019
It's just a terrible costume.

947
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:50.219
I like Deanna's reaction to like Troy's dead and she goes, yeah, I

948
00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:50.639
know.

949
00:43:50.699 --> 00:43:52.079
I thought that was really good.

950
00:43:52.139 --> 00:43:56.639
Oh my god, it looks so bad when it's moving around like that

951
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:57.239
doesn't it?

952
00:43:57.300 --> 00:44:00.239
There's a photograph on memory Apple where you can see the

953
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:03.119
hydraulics underneath and how it actually worked.

954
00:44:03.179 --> 00:44:03.599
Yeah.

955
00:44:03.659 --> 00:44:06.960
It's quite impressive as a as a piece of equipment.

956
00:44:07.019 --> 00:44:10.380
Unfortunately, as a monster, it's I'm sure it was worth the

957
00:44:10.380 --> 00:44:10.739
effort.

958
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:12.480
Oh yeah, here we go.

959
00:44:12.539 --> 00:44:12.780
Yeah.

960
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.179
Yeah, see, this isn't fun to watch, is it?

961
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:20.039
And and is Reiken, like, it looks like Data's making fun of him.

962
00:44:20.099 --> 00:44:23.760
So data says, um...

963
00:44:23.820 --> 00:44:24.719
Look, yeah, yeah.

964
00:44:24.780 --> 00:44:27.659
He says, look, half a metre to the right, Geordie.

965
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.300
And he moves half a metre to the right and so he'd be found

966
00:44:30.300 --> 00:44:31.619
because it's fucking in front of him.

967
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:33.659
Like, well done, Geordie.

968
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:37.320
No one's allowed to get away with, you know, estimating a time to

969
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:41.400
anything less than a millisecond, but he goes half a metre to the

970
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:42.300
right and it's in front of him.

971
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:46.079
I do just know we need more bastards in Star Trek, though, you

972
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:46.320
know.

973
00:44:46.380 --> 00:44:50.340
People that just do things just to be utterly evil.

974
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:54.239
But I don't think tormenting the disabled person is that much fun

975
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:55.079
to watch, I think.

976
00:44:55.139 --> 00:44:57.360
I've got to say, as a piece of television.

977
00:44:57.420 --> 00:45:00.539
Matter of time that we did last for TNG.

978
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:00.840
Yeah.

979
00:45:00.900 --> 00:45:02.880
That was a better made piece of television.

980
00:45:02.940 --> 00:45:03.599
Oh, yeah.

981
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:05.519
It was nowhere near as fun as this.

982
00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:06.539
Yeah, yeah.

983
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:09.360
It was in fact very dull in comparison to this.

984
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:11.579
I think this shot is quite good too.

985
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:13.679
And I think she's, do you know what I mean?

986
00:45:13.739 --> 00:45:15.960
Like the way she's moving a hand, the way the light, seeing that

987
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:19.619
she shot from below, you know, there's debris around her and

988
00:45:19.619 --> 00:45:19.920
stuff.

989
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.260
And I think that she's delivering a thing.

990
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:26.579
Like, I think there is the potential, if anyone was even trying to

991
00:45:26.579 --> 00:45:27.780
do something interesting.

992
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.360
There's something here, isn't there?

993
00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:31.860
So he...

994
00:45:31.860 --> 00:45:33.480
I even think you could do something with the concept.

995
00:45:33.539 --> 00:45:34.260
Not this.

996
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:34.739
Yeah.

997
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:35.400
Yeah.

998
00:45:35.460 --> 00:45:41.460
He's the residue of some godlike beings who've been there, and, you

999
00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:46.199
know, he says something about, you know, they are, people look in

1000
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:51.480
awe at them, you know, like they're Titans, he says, and they've

1001
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:56.159
gone off into the universe, and they've abandoned him, and they've

1002
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:58.019
left him here to suffer.

1003
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.119
And in what sense?

1004
00:46:00.179 --> 00:46:01.260
Are they good?

1005
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:02.820
Do you know what I mean?

1006
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:04.860
Like what's going on here?

1007
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:05.940
And here I am, you know.

1008
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.460
When you when you describe it like that.

1009
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:10.199
I'm seeing a TOS episode.

1010
00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:12.360
It's not grandiose B movie idea.

1011
00:46:12.420 --> 00:46:16.739
But given a bit of worth, but in a TOS episode, you would have had

1012
00:46:16.739 --> 00:46:21.119
um, Spock, Kirk, and McCoy all taking the piss out of it a little

1013
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.519
bit as well, you know, and having some fun with it.

1014
00:46:23.579 --> 00:46:25.139
This is so serious.

1015
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:27.960
Yeah, which makes it even funnier in a way.

1016
00:46:28.019 --> 00:46:28.739
Well, yes exactly.

1017
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:30.300
Oh, I love this bit.

1018
00:46:30.420 --> 00:46:36.780
Their music now is going...

1019
00:46:36.780 --> 00:46:37.500
That is shot.

1020
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.739
We will see it again in several times, I think, probably in

1021
00:46:40.739 --> 00:46:41.460
shades.

1022
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:43.619
Say the quote again from Laval Burton.

1023
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:44.519
Frekes.

1024
00:46:44.579 --> 00:46:46.199
They never would have got me to do that.

1025
00:46:46.260 --> 00:46:48.780
So that's a that's a stunt double.

1026
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:50.159
That's a fucking stunt double.

1027
00:46:50.219 --> 00:46:51.719
There's no way that's Frakes.

1028
00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:53.219
There's a really bad...

1029
00:46:53.219 --> 00:46:54.599
He swears to Goddess.

1030
00:46:54.659 --> 00:46:55.380
He swears...

1031
00:46:55.500 --> 00:46:58.500
I think I think there's a shot later that's him.

1032
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:01.320
But I don't think they're dragging frakes under the water if

1033
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:03.179
you're under the thing if you're not seeing his face.

1034
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:05.760
Like, there's no way that that's not his double.

1035
00:47:05.820 --> 00:47:07.380
The face coming up now.

1036
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:08.519
That's a pop.

1037
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:10.860
But that's really quite scary.

1038
00:47:10.980 --> 00:47:11.579
That's a problem.

1039
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:12.599
It doesn't move at all.

1040
00:47:12.659 --> 00:47:13.980
It's a prop.

1041
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:15.119
I think it's really good.

1042
00:47:15.179 --> 00:47:17.280
Like, I think it's scary. look at that.

1043
00:47:17.340 --> 00:47:19.380
Yeah, but it's a prop.

1044
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:21.119
His eyes are open. gonna happen.

1045
00:47:21.179 --> 00:47:22.440
So that's a prop.

1046
00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:26.280
And it's sort of the sort of gross horror that they just know.

1047
00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:27.659
Yeah, that is pretty much later.

1048
00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:31.559
It's the sort of thing you were, you know, lauding in Genesis when

1049
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:32.099
we watched that.

1050
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1051
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:34.500
Yeah.

1052
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:38.699
And, you know, like early discovery has it as well.

1053
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:41.820
Actually, Wesley down to that planet.

1054
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:43.800
He could have been dragged into... as well.

1055
00:47:43.860 --> 00:47:46.380
I mean, he got stabbed in hide and cue, didn't he?

1056
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:50.940
So, Frakes does regret doing the stunt.

1057
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.940
So when we see him come out of the pit, that's definitely him

1058
00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:54.300
right?

1059
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.880
And because they're scraping the stuff off him and things.

1060
00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:57.960
So he's been in the pit.

1061
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.599
I don't think they drag him into the pit, that's definitely a body

1062
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:01.139
double.

1063
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:02.639
The face is a prop.

1064
00:48:02.699 --> 00:48:04.440
But when he comes out, it's definitely him.

1065
00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:09.420
And he says, and this is a quote from memory alpha, I suffered

1066
00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:14.820
physically like a fool with Mikey, Michael Westmore, sure, I'll

1067
00:48:14.820 --> 00:48:17.699
get him that black fucking metamucil shit.

1068
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:19.500
That was absurd.

1069
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.159
I want to be back for season two.

1070
00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:24.659
I'll do whatever you want, all right?

1071
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:29.880
So he clearly realises that it was just dumb and it was like the

1072
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:35.639
thing. remember when Marina breaks her cock 6 in PowerPlay and she

1073
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:37.739
says, I'm this big in the screen.

1074
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.119
It could have been Michael.

1075
00:48:39.179 --> 00:48:40.320
No one would have known.

1076
00:48:42.300 --> 00:48:45.239
The things we do for...

1077
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:47.639
Oh, this scene is agonising.

1078
00:48:47.699 --> 00:48:48.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1079
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:49.800
She's like, please.

1080
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:51.780
Please don't hurt my Amzabi.

1081
00:48:52.739 --> 00:48:57.179
Yes, I would sacrifice myself without hesitation.

1082
00:48:57.300 --> 00:48:58.679
All of that stuff.

1083
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.559
Like, that's so bad, isn't it?

1084
00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:03.420
There's space people.

1085
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:04.679
This is them being space people.

1086
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.980
Because Beverly says I want to beat my life, this is, on this

1087
00:49:07.980 --> 00:49:08.219
level.

1088
00:49:08.340 --> 00:49:09.960
Yeah, yeah.

1089
00:49:12.179 --> 00:49:17.159
I would sacrifice my dignity to record another untitled Star Trek

1090
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:18.119
episode.

1091
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:24.300
I do like how it clings onto the shuttle.

1092
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:24.840
Yeah, yeah.

1093
00:49:24.900 --> 00:49:25.559
Yeah.

1094
00:49:25.619 --> 00:49:27.719
Because it feels impressive.

1095
00:49:27.780 --> 00:49:28.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1096
00:49:28.860 --> 00:49:31.139
No, it's Picard now coming down.

1097
00:49:31.139 --> 00:49:33.719
The handheld walking up to the slick, walking up to the pit.

1098
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:36.239
A handheld summing, all right?

1099
00:49:36.300 --> 00:49:37.260
At least they had a long shot.

1100
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:38.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1101
00:49:38.460 --> 00:49:43.199
And the surface of the thing is moving. tin man.

1102
00:49:43.260 --> 00:49:43.920
Yeah.

1103
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:49.500
Well, it's a big fan of Wizard of Oz, I think, probably Armus.

1104
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:51.780
That was a great exchange as well.

1105
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:54.000
Why is he doing all this, Mr. Data?

1106
00:49:54.059 --> 00:49:58.320
I think it's to alleviate boredom, sir. yeah that's really good.

1107
00:49:58.380 --> 00:50:02.280
Again, the contempt that they have for him, and if we'd seen more

1108
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:04.079
of that from Marina, it would have been great.

1109
00:50:04.139 --> 00:50:07.559
I mean is Picard empathising with him at the end?

1110
00:50:07.619 --> 00:50:12.960
No, no, I think again, it's just this complete refusal to play

1111
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:13.380
along.

1112
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:15.420
I'm just not going to do anything to help you.

1113
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:16.980
I'm not going to play along.

1114
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:22.500
Um, and uh, Astonishingly, we are two-thirds for this episode.

1115
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.119
I feel like we've barely started it.

1116
00:50:24.179 --> 00:50:25.199
It's flying by.

1117
00:50:25.260 --> 00:50:26.760
But look at it.

1118
00:50:26.820 --> 00:50:28.679
Like, I love the way the liquid moves.

1119
00:50:28.739 --> 00:50:30.780
Like there's something under there. here we go.

1120
00:50:30.900 --> 00:50:32.699
That's what I like that.

1121
00:50:32.820 --> 00:50:37.559
It's a shot of Picard, and you just see armours coming up in sort

1122
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:38.340
of...

1123
00:50:38.340 --> 00:50:42.599
He's out of focus in the foreground. and the light coming off

1124
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:42.840
him.

1125
00:50:42.900 --> 00:50:45.300
He's using day as a pop it.

1126
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:46.679
Boy, but go, everybody.

1127
00:50:46.739 --> 00:50:48.360
And I like this too.

1128
00:50:48.420 --> 00:50:51.420
Like Data just says, well, you know, like, yes, you kill one of

1129
00:50:51.420 --> 00:50:54.659
them, but you're pulling the trigger and you're holding the

1130
00:50:54.659 --> 00:50:56.280
strings, I would not be responsible.

1131
00:50:56.340 --> 00:50:59.519
Like I wouldn't, you know, like you can't make me feel bad about

1132
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:00.840
killing him.

1133
00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:01.559
I didn't do it.

1134
00:51:01.619 --> 00:51:02.340
You did, you know.

1135
00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:07.380
And like even her refusal to react there.

1136
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:12.300
You know, her refusal to kind of panic and give him anything, I

1137
00:51:12.300 --> 00:51:12.900
think, is good.

1138
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.420
I don't think it's just, you know, her.

1139
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.599
They should have forgotten how to do this sort of thing, Nathan.

1140
00:51:18.659 --> 00:51:23.760
Like, rubbish TNG in season 5 is just very boring.

1141
00:51:23.820 --> 00:51:24.420
Boring.

1142
00:51:24.420 --> 00:51:25.559
Dull and worthy.

1143
00:51:25.619 --> 00:51:28.500
Rubbish TNG in series one.

1144
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.539
It's just...

1145
00:51:30.659 --> 00:51:33.480
And occasionally hugely embarrassing.

1146
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:34.980
Oh, well, consistently.

1147
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:36.599
I mismanages to be all of that.

1148
00:51:36.659 --> 00:51:38.519
I told you it was a gift, didn't I?

1149
00:51:38.579 --> 00:51:39.599
But do you know what I mean?

1150
00:51:39.659 --> 00:51:42.659
Like, you've got gates here, not, like, no one is playing along, no

1151
00:51:42.659 --> 00:51:43.860
one's being a panicky idiot.

1152
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.260
They're just saying, yeah, no, like do your shit.

1153
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:47.820
We're just not interested, you know.

1154
00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:49.139
And I think that's pretty good.

1155
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:54.000
Tell me, Tin Man, how does it feel to face your own extinction?

1156
00:51:54.900 --> 00:51:56.460
Stupid.

1157
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:02.280
So when they're trying to sort of puzzle him out there, those

1158
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:03.840
lines like that, you...

1159
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:07.019
This line is really weird. interesting, no redeeming qualities.

1160
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:09.000
And so Armas goes, so what do you think?

1161
00:52:09.059 --> 00:52:11.039
And he goes, I think you should be destroyed.

1162
00:52:11.099 --> 00:52:12.420
And go, wait, what?

1163
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:14.400
Just because he's got a real terrible personality.

1164
00:52:14.460 --> 00:52:15.780
Like what's happening here?

1165
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:17.880
Wait, you're always back with a line.

1166
00:52:17.940 --> 00:52:20.219
He goes, a moral judgement from a machine.

1167
00:52:20.340 --> 00:52:22.739
It's like, really?

1168
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.059
Because we're not going to do that.

1169
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:26.219
I mean, it's not like they leave the planet and then just sort of

1170
00:52:26.219 --> 00:52:27.420
nuke the surface or anything.

1171
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:31.139
They just kind of leave him there to be prank called by the

1172
00:52:31.139 --> 00:52:36.119
Cerrito's crew, you know, 10, 12 years later or whatever.

1173
00:52:36.179 --> 00:52:39.300
It should be that they had to beam down one red shirt.

1174
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:42.239
That was a bargain that he was left with one red shirt.

1175
00:52:42.300 --> 00:52:45.119
He could just torture for all eternity and then they could go off

1176
00:52:45.179 --> 00:52:46.380
volunteering for that.

1177
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:49.139
Well, Admiral Leyland T. Lynch, of course.

1178
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:50.460
That's right.

1179
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:51.480
What's he doing?

1180
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:52.619
He doesn't get an arc.

1181
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:55.320
He could go down there and spend the rest of his life there with

1182
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:56.039
armours.

1183
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:59.280
In fact, when they prank Kolamis in lower decks.

1184
00:52:59.340 --> 00:53:02.280
He's there going, I wish I had someone to torture at the very

1185
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:04.139
beginning because he's super poor.

1186
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:06.059
And so this is Jonathan.

1187
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:07.500
That's Jonathan May.

1188
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:09.780
Oh, bless him.

1189
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:10.739
Look at it.

1190
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:12.360
What is that?

1191
00:53:12.420 --> 00:53:13.500
Liquorice?

1192
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:16.860
So it's metamucil and printers, Inc.

1193
00:53:16.980 --> 00:53:19.440
Oh, no.

1194
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.679
He must have been Sharon for weeks.

1195
00:53:25.739 --> 00:53:29.639
No, Levar can barely stifle his laughing.

1196
00:53:32.699 --> 00:53:35.159
They've decided to axe you in series two.

1197
00:53:35.219 --> 00:53:35.519
Sorry.

1198
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:41.280
They are incapable of entertaining me.

1199
00:53:41.820 --> 00:53:43.860
So good, isn't it?

1200
00:53:43.980 --> 00:53:47.639
Yeah, that's absolute Doctor Who monster shit, isn't it?

1201
00:53:47.699 --> 00:53:48.840
Oh, it's great.

1202
00:53:48.900 --> 00:53:49.920
Yeah.

1203
00:53:49.980 --> 00:53:51.480
Come on, TNG.

1204
00:53:51.539 --> 00:53:54.360
Oh, look, and Brent's the only one acting in that shot.

1205
00:53:54.420 --> 00:53:55.260
He looks up.

1206
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:59.039
In fact, you know, my other favourite from series one does this

1207
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:02.940
exactly again, conspiracy with the weird aliens that have taken

1208
00:54:02.940 --> 00:54:04.440
over Starfleet.

1209
00:54:04.500 --> 00:54:05.039
Yeah, yeah.

1210
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:06.539
It's total B movie.

1211
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:07.800
It's good.

1212
00:54:07.860 --> 00:54:08.820
I think it's pretty good.

1213
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:13.260
It's also sort of hilariously bad, but... yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

1214
00:54:13.260 --> 00:54:13.739
yeah, yeah.

1215
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:14.039
Yeah.

1216
00:54:14.099 --> 00:54:14.760
No, awesome.

1217
00:54:14.820 --> 00:54:16.380
I love to do that one actually.

1218
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:21.059
When did TNG forget to be bad in a entertaining way?

1219
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:24.960
Yeah, I think that, like, I think that they decided that they'd

1220
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.019
been embarrassing, but they threw the baby out with the bath water

1221
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:32.340
and they radically reduced the sort of things that Star Trek could

1222
00:54:32.340 --> 00:54:32.639
do.

1223
00:54:32.699 --> 00:54:37.019
And I think that, you know, that's one of the reasons I'm so bored

1224
00:54:37.019 --> 00:54:37.800
by it, I think.

1225
00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:42.360
Like, what we gain is episodes like Dharmok, and, you know, we

1226
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:43.440
wouldn't be without them.

1227
00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:45.059
What we lose.

1228
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:49.800
Yeah. is just mad shit like this.

1229
00:54:50.699 --> 00:54:56.280
Yeah, look, he just walks straight past Ben, goes and talks to her

1230
00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:59.760
and then she goes, Ben is over there and he goes, oh yeah, that's

1231
00:54:59.760 --> 00:54:59.940
right.

1232
00:55:00.059 --> 00:55:00.840
The black guy.

1233
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:02.820
It's so bad.

1234
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:04.739
It's not on the console.

1235
00:55:04.860 --> 00:55:05.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1236
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:07.380
So he survives.

1237
00:55:09.059 --> 00:55:11.699
But Deanna, he's not one of the regulars.

1238
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:13.619
Yeah, I know it's so bad.

1239
00:55:13.739 --> 00:55:15.900
It's so that's really bad.

1240
00:55:17.340 --> 00:55:19.440
Leave her behind.

1241
00:55:19.500 --> 00:55:20.940
She don't do much in 7 years.

1242
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:22.679
She does.

1243
00:55:22.739 --> 00:55:23.460
She's awesome.

1244
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:32.579
Yeah, and so, and so she, she tells him how to do it, but she

1245
00:55:32.579 --> 00:55:33.840
doesn't get to do it herself.

1246
00:55:33.900 --> 00:55:38.880
And I think that's a shame because in later Star Trek, like in

1247
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:42.840
later next generation, this would be the Deanna episode where

1248
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:46.019
we're presented with a problem which Deanna can solve and then

1249
00:55:46.019 --> 00:55:47.400
she's allowed to save the day.

1250
00:55:47.460 --> 00:55:49.619
Well, I wonder if that's where this started.

1251
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:51.960
And then Denise was going.

1252
00:55:52.019 --> 00:55:54.659
They were like, well, let's kill her off in this episode, you know

1253
00:55:54.659 --> 00:55:57.059
the skin of all evil can take her out.

1254
00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:57.840
Yeah.

1255
00:55:57.900 --> 00:56:01.079
And then unfortunately, we're we're distracted.

1256
00:56:01.139 --> 00:56:04.260
But it was weird. obviously they have just got on with the job

1257
00:56:04.260 --> 00:56:06.059
because they have to because there's people to save.

1258
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:10.500
It's unbelievable that she died 20 minutes ago and we haven't

1259
00:56:10.500 --> 00:56:11.159
mentioned her since.

1260
00:56:11.219 --> 00:56:12.840
No, well, we have.

1261
00:56:12.900 --> 00:56:16.139
No, no, no, we have because we had that conversation where Beverly

1262
00:56:16.139 --> 00:56:19.320
says, Tasha's dead and she says, I know.

1263
00:56:19.380 --> 00:56:24.239
And we did have the scene in the observation lounge deck thing.

1264
00:56:24.300 --> 00:56:25.679
It just wouldn't be like that now, would it?

1265
00:56:25.739 --> 00:56:27.480
It just wouldn't be like that now.

1266
00:56:27.539 --> 00:56:29.460
I think that they might do that.

1267
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:34.860
They might hold off and just let there be an episode and then fall

1268
00:56:34.860 --> 00:56:35.820
to pieces at the end.

1269
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.940
I think that that's a standard TV trip, isn't it?

1270
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:42.480
When the fellow Duck Culber died in Discovery.

1271
00:56:42.539 --> 00:56:43.860
How did they deal with that?

1272
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:47.519
Well, I don't think Hugh even finds out until the next episode.

1273
00:56:47.579 --> 00:56:52.440
Like, remember it happens in the middle of just a massive chaotic

1274
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:55.679
thing and there's just so much going on that I don't know.

1275
00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:57.960
I'm assuming that has consequences down the line.

1276
00:56:58.079 --> 00:56:59.219
Yeah, that's his part.

1277
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:00.719
I think he might.

1278
00:57:00.780 --> 00:57:03.900
I think Paul might just be in the corridor with his body for a

1279
00:57:03.900 --> 00:57:05.880
good part of the next episode.

1280
00:57:05.940 --> 00:57:08.039
It's pretty, yeah.

1281
00:57:08.099 --> 00:57:10.079
Yeah, because that's proper.

1282
00:57:10.139 --> 00:57:10.800
Do you know what I mean?

1283
00:57:10.860 --> 00:57:14.099
It was a dumb idea, and they walked it back, but it's Star Trek.

1284
00:57:14.099 --> 00:57:16.320
I'm like, they sort of... formula television.

1285
00:57:16.380 --> 00:57:20.159
They can't just go on the next week and oh, well, she's not here.

1286
00:57:20.219 --> 00:57:21.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1287
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:21.719
That's right.

1288
00:57:21.780 --> 00:57:23.699
It's almost an anthology show.

1289
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:30.300
He's almost his backstory now. left by a race of titans behind.

1290
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:31.679
Yeah, yeah.

1291
00:57:31.739 --> 00:57:33.539
Titans is a good word too.

1292
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:35.880
He clearly knows about Greek mythology as well.

1293
00:57:35.940 --> 00:57:37.619
Bonds of destructiveness.

1294
00:57:38.099 --> 00:57:43.079
Yeah, so, I mean, it's got that sort of that weird science fiction

1295
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:49.500
thing where evil and good are substances and so, you know, Doctor

1296
00:57:49.500 --> 00:57:51.659
Who does that as well.

1297
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:54.599
Like it's a fairly standard thing, you know, we think of good and

1298
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:59.219
evil as the result of all kinds of, you know, social things, I

1299
00:57:59.219 --> 00:58:01.800
think, is how we conceive it more than anything else.

1300
00:58:01.860 --> 00:58:06.900
But here it's like as if they're physical substances, like light

1301
00:58:06.900 --> 00:58:07.440
and dark.

1302
00:58:07.500 --> 00:58:13.380
Anything that starts with Picard going. shall I tell you what evil

1303
00:58:13.380 --> 00:58:13.920
really is?

1304
00:58:13.980 --> 00:58:16.860
You know we're in for a bit of trouble.

1305
00:58:16.980 --> 00:58:18.599
Oh, yeah, yeah. so boring.

1306
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:21.599
I mean, nothing could be as bad as to get the justice right.

1307
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:25.019
When has law been as simple as a rule book?

1308
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:26.340
Now, Beam is up quick.

1309
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:30.960
And look, Armist's energy level has dipped to 2.6.3.

1310
00:58:31.260 --> 00:58:32.460
Oh, we're 40 minutes in.

1311
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:34.980
Well, no, but I'm thinking it's just the speech.

1312
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:36.659
It's kind of like, oh my god.

1313
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:44.219
If only they can hang a luncheon on that and say, like, you know, I

1314
00:58:44.219 --> 00:58:45.480
can't listen to you anymore.

1315
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:51.659
But I see you.

1316
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.179
I't know why they wait so long to transport here.

1317
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:55.920
That shot is so shit.

1318
00:58:55.980 --> 00:58:58.440
Like, God, like that side shot.

1319
00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:00.900
This shot, the final shot of armistice magnificent.

1320
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:01.860
That's truly great.

1321
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:05.460
It's so melodramatic, isn't it?

1322
00:59:06.059 --> 00:59:08.880
But the shot of him from the side just poking out of the thing is

1323
00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:09.360
a bit shit.

1324
00:59:09.420 --> 00:59:13.500
His hands are literally going crazy though. so bad.

1325
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:14.820
So bad.

1326
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.880
Oh, dude, the damage has just been done onto the funeral.

1327
00:59:22.619 --> 00:59:25.139
That looks like a butcher shop window, right?

1328
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:26.159
That lawn.

1329
00:59:26.219 --> 00:59:28.800
It just looks like a butcher shop window.

1330
00:59:28.860 --> 00:59:33.239
And so the 1st thing that I thought is go the fuck outside.

1331
00:59:34.139 --> 00:59:36.780
Why haven't they got a sunny sky?

1332
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:38.460
Why are they going for this sort of cloudy look?

1333
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:46.980
Um, I think, you know, we know that the holodeck can create solid

1334
00:59:46.980 --> 00:59:48.840
realistic holograms.

1335
00:59:48.900 --> 00:59:52.199
Why is her, is her uniform green in your, the print that you're

1336
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:52.380
watching?

1337
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:55.679
Uh, it's uniform is green in that shot.

1338
00:59:55.739 --> 00:59:59.579
Green, like those very fake looking home base trees behind them.

1339
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:03.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah. and it'll be it'll be blue in a later shot in

1340
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:06.780
the same scene and that was always a weird colour grading thing

1341
01:00:06.780 --> 01:00:08.579
that was wrong with early.

1342
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:08.940
You know why?

1343
01:00:08.940 --> 01:00:11.099
I have to stop to Marina.

1344
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:12.300
Stop crying already, all right?

1345
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:15.360
Okay, this time, gates, go get in your other uniform, quick. get

1346
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:19.380
in there. yeah Can we quote some of the dialogue here, please?

1347
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:23.159
So, so, but look, we know that they can create solid realistic

1348
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:26.099
holograms, and so they're trying to put her in heaven.

1349
01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:28.980
And so she's a ghost and there are clouds behind her.

1350
01:00:28.980 --> 01:00:31.139
And that's what that is, right?

1351
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:31.980
Don't you think?

1352
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:35.219
Like, that's her talking to us from... is what it is.

1353
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:35.940
Yeah.

1354
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:36.659
Yeah.

1355
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.960
But the thing is, and we said this before the episode even

1356
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:40.559
started.

1357
01:00:40.619 --> 01:00:46.440
These characters are not well defined enough for us to give a shit

1358
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:51.599
even after 22, 23 hours of this staff.

1359
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:52.199
Yeah.

1360
01:00:52.260 --> 01:00:54.000
You are my family, she said.

1361
01:00:54.059 --> 01:00:57.900
We've only been together for 18 episodes. yeah that's right.

1362
01:00:58.019 --> 01:01:03.900
Oh, you took a frightened and angry girl and tempered her in the

1363
01:01:03.900 --> 01:01:04.679
Starfleet way.

1364
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so terrible.

1365
01:01:07.980 --> 01:01:10.739
I'm going to say the line that she says to Troy, because everyone

1366
01:01:10.739 --> 01:01:11.519
needs to hear it.

1367
01:01:11.579 --> 01:01:13.019
Oh, it's so bad.

1368
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:14.460
It's so bad.

1369
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:15.360
It's so bad.

1370
01:01:15.420 --> 01:01:18.960
Isn't like, Jonathan's pretty at this point, I think.

1371
01:01:19.019 --> 01:01:21.420
Yeah, no, you're okay, so much love.

1372
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:23.280
Oh god.

1373
01:01:23.340 --> 01:01:24.539
Wait for it.

1374
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:27.780
He told me without ever having to say a word.

1375
01:01:28.380 --> 01:01:32.760
I realised I could be feminine without losing anything.

1376
01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:35.699
Jesus Christ, that's embarrassing.

1377
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.519
That's the worst thing in this episode is that.

1378
01:01:38.579 --> 01:01:41.219
Yeah, to be taught to be feminine.

1379
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:46.380
There's this incredible fear that because she has short hair and

1380
01:01:46.380 --> 01:01:49.679
she's the security officer, that she's going to come across as

1381
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:54.539
being a lesbian, and we know what happened to our friend, is it

1382
01:01:54.539 --> 01:01:59.699
Meg Foster, in Cagney and Lacey, who lost her job for the same

1383
01:01:59.699 --> 01:02:00.059
reason?

1384
01:02:00.179 --> 01:02:02.579
And they said, they're so desperate for her not to be a lesbian.

1385
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:03.719
Do you know what I mean?

1386
01:02:03.780 --> 01:02:04.860
That they do this.

1387
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.159
Like Beverly, she has learned to strike.

1388
01:02:08.340 --> 01:02:11.280
What else is no matter what the personal cost?

1389
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:12.239
Like what?

1390
01:02:12.300 --> 01:02:15.360
Well, personal cost comes from striping friends.

1391
01:02:15.420 --> 01:02:18.480
No, it just makes no sense because there's nothing to her.

1392
01:02:18.539 --> 01:02:19.500
Do you know what I mean?

1393
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:24.300
Like, she can't say, like, you were really funny or you had a sort

1394
01:02:24.300 --> 01:02:29.159
of, you know, quick wit and you used to, you know, like, um, you

1395
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:31.800
taught me how to dance, like, but none of the characters have

1396
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:32.159
anything.

1397
01:02:32.219 --> 01:02:36.659
I'm and and even she can't even fucking say goodbye to Geordie

1398
01:02:36.659 --> 01:02:39.719
without alluding to the fact that he's blind. taught me to look

1399
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:41.639
beyond the moment. things differently.

1400
01:02:41.699 --> 01:02:43.559
Look beyond that, like fuck off.

1401
01:02:43.619 --> 01:02:46.260
He's the blind character, right?

1402
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:48.000
And he's black.

1403
01:02:48.059 --> 01:02:49.139
She should have mentioned that.

1404
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:50.940
I mean, it's so bad.

1405
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:54.900
In the sound of her voice, which is the penultimate episode of

1406
01:02:54.900 --> 01:02:56.039
DS96 season.

1407
01:02:56.099 --> 01:03:00.119
There's a wake for the woman who dies in that episode, right?

1408
01:03:00.179 --> 01:03:05.400
And, and, uh, Brian goes. take a good look around because we might

1409
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:06.599
not all be here forever.

1410
01:03:06.659 --> 01:03:11.760
Let's enjoy this moment and it's so much more touching and fucking

1411
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:12.960
restrained than this.

1412
01:03:13.019 --> 01:03:15.659
And it's even hanging a lantern on the fact that she's going to

1413
01:03:15.659 --> 01:03:18.539
die in the next episode and it's still really moving.

1414
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:21.659
They did learn a lot.

1415
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:24.119
They had to go down a bumpy road together.

1416
01:03:24.179 --> 01:03:25.860
Yeah, this is terrible.

1417
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:27.659
I mean, this is just terrible.

1418
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:33.000
I do think that Patrick Stewart very bravely because I did feel

1419
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:35.099
something when he went of one, Natasha.

1420
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:39.300
Yeah, I did too, but I have to say that the thing I was most

1421
01:03:39.300 --> 01:03:44.699
affected by was Marina because, you know, you have this weird

1422
01:03:44.699 --> 01:03:48.599
parasocial relationship with all of the Star Trek actors. because

1423
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:50.400
you've been following them like I was 19.

1424
01:03:50.579 --> 01:03:51.539
Do you know what I mean?

1425
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:55.980
this has been this has been most of my life I've known this show.

1426
01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:58.980
And that's why this arena is so distressed.

1427
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:02.760
In the same way, like the DS9 actors moved me because that was

1428
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:06.300
when I hit, well, I was 13 and 20 when it ended.

1429
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:07.920
So I watched that entire run.

1430
01:04:07.980 --> 01:04:10.079
So I'm connected, so I speak, I get it.

1431
01:04:10.139 --> 01:04:10.440
I get it.

1432
01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:13.380
Go on, Patrick.

1433
01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:17.579
Oh, he's got such, like, his eyes are green.

1434
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:20.099
I think again, they're blue, really, but there's something weird

1435
01:04:20.099 --> 01:04:23.159
about the way the colour gets reproduced.

1436
01:04:23.219 --> 01:04:27.719
You remember, we were talking about all of the subtext in tacking

1437
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:28.800
into the wind the other day.

1438
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:34.559
Now here, Beta stops to go, did I miss the point of the funeral?

1439
01:04:34.619 --> 01:04:36.539
And he goes, no, no, Mr. Dota.

1440
01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:38.340
That's exactly the point of the funeral.

1441
01:04:38.460 --> 01:04:39.480
Yeah, yeah.

1442
01:04:39.539 --> 01:04:41.099
We have a speech about what funerals are.

1443
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:43.980
That's what data is, to explain to the audience things that they

1444
01:04:43.980 --> 01:04:45.539
surely must fucking know.

1445
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:47.400
You know, it's so bad.

1446
01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:52.320
So we literally, we had the deaf scene, that we had, they're all

1447
01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:54.840
talking about it in the observation lounge.

1448
01:04:54.900 --> 01:04:55.320
Yeah.

1449
01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:59.039
Then we had the funeral scene and now we've got the, I mean, it's

1450
01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:00.300
just a bit much, isn't it?

1451
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:02.280
It's not exactly subtle.

1452
01:05:02.340 --> 01:05:03.719
No, no.

1453
01:05:03.780 --> 01:05:07.199
But the way that they would do it later, like, I think it's the

1454
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:10.920
only thing that's available to them, that what they can't really

1455
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:16.920
do is just kill her off in act one without doing something at the

1456
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:17.159
end.

1457
01:05:17.219 --> 01:05:20.039
Like, they have to hold off and then make the episode about that.

1458
01:05:20.099 --> 01:05:20.880
Don't they?

1459
01:05:20.940 --> 01:05:24.539
But do you remember when Marvellous Captain Garrett died with the

1460
01:05:24.539 --> 01:05:27.059
shrapnel in her head in yesterday's enterprise?

1461
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:28.079
And that was sudden.

1462
01:05:28.139 --> 01:05:30.420
I think I felt more about that than I did about this.

1463
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:32.219
Look at that.

1464
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:34.139
Look at that fucking lawn.

1465
01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:34.980
It's so bad.

1466
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:36.360
It's so bad.

1467
01:05:36.420 --> 01:05:41.219
Skin of evil. you did not let me down No, that was great. was

1468
01:05:41.219 --> 01:05:41.579
really fun.

1469
01:05:42.179 --> 01:05:45.840
I'm so many levels, that was just...

1470
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:46.559
That was very terrible.

1471
01:05:46.619 --> 01:05:50.519
So also one of the most inept pieces of television we have watched

1472
01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:51.059
so far.

1473
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:51.900
Yeah.

1474
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:56.039
No, I think, you know, like, I think that we've seen worse TV.

1475
01:05:56.099 --> 01:05:59.280
I think Manhund is a worse episode than this because it's also

1476
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:02.639
boring and it's not being written in any way, like that you can

1477
01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:05.820
sense that there's writers or some writers behind this.

1478
01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:08.760
Whereas Manhunt is just padding out the running time.

1479
01:06:08.820 --> 01:06:12.300
But weird enough, I do get, I do get a sense that they're having a

1480
01:06:12.300 --> 01:06:16.559
bit of fun with this idea as well. the sort of the skin of evil

1481
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:17.460
idea, you know?

1482
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:18.480
That's stupid.

1483
01:06:18.539 --> 01:06:19.260
It's great, isn't it?

1484
01:06:19.380 --> 01:06:21.300
But it's sort of wholeheartedly dumb.

1485
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:22.679
Yeah, yeah.

1486
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:25.980
I think I think maybe 3 or 4 seasons down the line.

1487
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:28.860
They would go, oh, God, are we really going to do this, all

1488
01:06:28.860 --> 01:06:29.159
right?

1489
01:06:29.219 --> 01:06:32.099
And it would all be that everyone would be a bit embarrassed by

1490
01:06:32.099 --> 01:06:32.340
it.

1491
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:34.260
But here they're like, no, let's just play it.

1492
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:35.039
Let's go for it.

1493
01:06:35.099 --> 01:06:36.300
We've got this big monster.

1494
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:37.500
It'll be hilarious.

1495
01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:42.179
Which is basically the key to Doctor Who's success in 26 years, you

1496
01:06:42.179 --> 01:06:42.360
know?

1497
01:06:42.420 --> 01:06:43.139
Yeah, yeah.

1498
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:43.920
Yeah.

1499
01:06:43.980 --> 01:06:44.820
Dear, dear.

1500
01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:47.039
What a shame Shame.

1501
01:06:47.099 --> 01:06:48.539
Au revoir Natasha.

1502
01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:49.800
I love why, Natasha.

1503
01:06:55.860 --> 01:07:00.239
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to

1504
01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:01.739
find out what we're going to be doing next week.

1505
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:08.760
I have checked the stats on the shows that we've done, and the

1506
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:13.199
most neglected show according to our statistics. is the animated

1507
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:16.440
series where we've done 2 out of 22 episodes.

1508
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:20.159
So just over 9% of the available episodes.

1509
01:07:20.219 --> 01:07:22.199
There is a reason for that.

1510
01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:23.880
There is a reason for it.

1511
01:07:23.940 --> 01:07:24.840
But we have to do it.

1512
01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:26.099
It's part of the thing.

1513
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:30.059
So it's time to eat our vegetables and watch an episode of the

1514
01:07:30.059 --> 01:07:31.199
animates.

1515
01:07:31.380 --> 01:07:35.579
Da, da, da, da.

1516
01:07:35.579 --> 01:07:37.559
Oh, so terrible.

1517
01:07:37.619 --> 01:07:41.460
I was watching Lower Decks and there was a character.

1518
01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:45.000
In fact, I was watching The Spy Humungous, which is where they

1519
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:49.440
prank call, but in the lead up to that, there is an alien that is

1520
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:52.860
taken from a animated series episode.

1521
01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:56.519
I think we've said before, that lower decks kind of regards the

1522
01:07:56.519 --> 01:08:00.239
animated series as it's esteemed for bear and he's absolutely

1523
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:03.960
happy to steal stuff from it, which I think is glorious.

1524
01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:06.599
Distinguishable in quality in my mind.

1525
01:08:06.659 --> 01:08:07.260
That's right.

1526
01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:11.400
But it canonises it in a way that even Gene was reluctant to do.

1527
01:08:11.460 --> 01:08:13.920
And I'm afraid it is canon.

1528
01:08:13.980 --> 01:08:16.260
It was on telly and people watched it.

1529
01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:18.119
And so it's legit.

1530
01:08:18.420 --> 01:08:22.500
DC Fontana considers it the full season of the original series

1531
01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:22.800
okay?

1532
01:08:22.859 --> 01:08:23.939
God bless her.

1533
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:25.859
And so she says that is true.

1534
01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:30.479
I do hope you select the magics of Megas 2. sounds amazing.

1535
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:31.739
Does it?

1536
01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:34.260
Yeah, Jammer only gives it one star as well.

1537
01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:35.340
So it's going to be incredible.

1538
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:37.380
What if we got to be good?

1539
01:08:37.439 --> 01:08:39.840
If you press the button, it's that one.

1540
01:08:40.020 --> 01:08:42.180
Okay, here goes.

1541
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:46.859
Your random Star Trek, the animated series episode is the counter

1542
01:08:46.859 --> 01:08:48.300
clock incident.

1543
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:50.159
Oh, that doesn't sound as exciting.

1544
01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:51.060
Episode 6.

1545
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:52.739
Season two.

1546
01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:53.760
That's the last episode.

1547
01:08:53.819 --> 01:08:58.920
Oh, it's the finale of the original series on TV.

1548
01:09:00.779 --> 01:09:04.319
Do you have a synopsis or something?

1549
01:09:04.380 --> 01:09:06.779
I do happen to have a synopsis right here.

1550
01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:11.100
Yes, an alien ship pulls the enterprise into a supernova

1551
01:09:11.100 --> 01:09:15.119
transporting the ship to an alternative universe where time runs

1552
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:15.479
backwards.

1553
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:17.220
Oh, no.

1554
01:09:17.220 --> 01:09:19.859
3.5 stars out of 4 from Gemma.

1555
01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:23.399
And he's quite, he's quite harsh on the anime series.

1556
01:09:23.460 --> 01:09:24.359
Well, he's not.

1557
01:09:24.420 --> 01:09:25.199
He's not.

1558
01:09:25.260 --> 01:09:28.079
He's constantly giving these episodes much higher scores than he

1559
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:29.520
gives episodes of discovery.

1560
01:09:29.579 --> 01:09:30.420
He's crazy.

1561
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:31.859
What do you think?

1562
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:34.199
I mean, one of his paragraph starts.

1563
01:09:34.260 --> 01:09:36.300
First things first, you have to set aside everything you know

1564
01:09:36.300 --> 01:09:40.079
about science, even trick science, to accept anything that happens

1565
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:43.319
in the counterclock incident. happy to do that.

1566
01:09:43.380 --> 01:09:46.199
I mean, I don't know if you've ever seen the Red Dwarf episode

1567
01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:49.500
backwards, which runs to the... similar sort of premise.

1568
01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:52.560
I can't imagine it's going to be quite as fun as the scene where

1569
01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:55.859
the woman uneats a chocolate eclair in the cafe.

1570
01:09:55.979 --> 01:09:58.380
Yeah, no, I don't think it is either.

1571
01:09:58.439 --> 01:09:59.220
What do you think?

1572
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:02.819
But, and what, and considering it is the last episode as well

1573
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:03.539
quite fun.

1574
01:10:03.659 --> 01:10:07.680
Well, like there's really basically no basis on which to prefer

1575
01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:09.479
one of these episodes over the other.

1576
01:10:09.539 --> 01:10:10.859
We have literally no idea.

1577
01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:14.100
So we may as well let the randomiser choose.

1578
01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:15.720
So that's what we've done.

1579
01:10:15.779 --> 01:10:16.380
All right.

1580
01:10:16.500 --> 01:10:17.760
So the counterclock incident.

1581
01:10:17.819 --> 01:10:19.500
Let's do it All right.

1582
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:31.979
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek project with Joe Ford

1583
01:10:31.979 --> 01:10:35.880
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek project

1584
01:10:34.979 --> 01:10:38.579
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1585
01:10:38.579 --> 01:10:39.600
media accounts.

1586
01:10:39.659 --> 01:10:43.920
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed

1587
01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:45.239
by Cameron Lamb.

1588
01:10:45.300 --> 01:10:49.619
This episode was recorded on the 12th of March 2024 and released

1589
01:10:49.619 --> 01:10:51.060
on the 22nd of March.

1590
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:55.380
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the animated series, The

1591
01:10:55.380 --> 01:10:56.640
Counter Clock Incident.

1592
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:16.319
So, we had the, we had graffiti on our fence.

1593
01:11:16.739 --> 01:11:20.760
And the fences like brick.

1594
01:11:20.819 --> 01:11:25.800
And it was sort of dark blue because the house outside is blue and

1595
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:26.520
there was dirt.

1596
01:11:26.579 --> 01:11:28.260
You could see the dirt streaks on it.

1597
01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:31.920
So we had it painted and Calvin chose the colour and in order to

1598
01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:33.720
not be able to see the dirt streaks.

1599
01:11:33.779 --> 01:11:36.239
He chose fucking dirt colour.

1600
01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:42.300
Does it look attractive?

1601
01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:43.859
It's so horrible.

1602
01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:48.539
It's so bad And like the rest of the house is like blue.

1603
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:50.220
You paint over dirt.

1604
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:51.720
That just gets rid of dirt.

1605
01:11:51.779 --> 01:11:55.979
No, then more dirt comes when the more dirt comes.

1606
01:11:56.100 --> 01:12:00.119
He wants it not to be visible against the beach.

1607
01:12:00.180 --> 01:12:01.199
Just make it look dirty.

1608
01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:02.520
It's plump for dirt colour.

1609
01:12:02.579 --> 01:12:04.500
So the whole fucking thing looks like dirt.

1610
01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:10.380
Like it's sort of sort of like olive, like a really like the

1611
01:12:10.380 --> 01:12:11.520
fucking place is blue.

1612
01:12:11.579 --> 01:12:15.060
If he'd made it just gray, it would have been fine, but it's sort

1613
01:12:15.060 --> 01:12:16.079
of greenish.

1614
01:12:16.140 --> 01:12:18.659
It was really sunny today and it looked really gross.

1615
01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:20.460
I'm finding a simple solution.

1616
01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:24.180
I mean, he's done the work, but in terms of finding, something

1617
01:12:24.180 --> 01:12:25.739
that is aesthetically pleasing.

1618
01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:27.359
It's so ugly.

1619
01:12:27.420 --> 01:12:28.560
It's so bad.

1620
01:12:28.619 --> 01:12:29.880
He's got no idea.

1621
01:12:29.939 --> 01:12:31.739
Oh, I love your stories about Kathy.

1622
01:12:31.859 --> 01:12:32.399
Oh my god.

1623
01:12:33.420 --> 01:12:35.939
Like we didn't have to pay for it.

1624
01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:36.720
Do you know what I mean?

1625
01:12:36.779 --> 01:12:40.260
Like it was insurance because there was graffiti and stuff.

1626
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:42.659
Like we had to pay excess or whatever.

1627
01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:45.180
They call it deductible in America.

1628
01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:48.180
Like, you have to pay a bit and then, you know, it's the rest of

1629
01:12:48.180 --> 01:12:48.359
it.

1630
01:12:48.420 --> 01:12:49.319
Yeah.

1631
01:12:49.380 --> 01:12:50.880
Anyway, so that's the thing.

1632
01:12:50.939 --> 01:12:52.560
And they pushed over our fountain.

1633
01:12:52.619 --> 01:12:56.939
We have a fountain in the front yard, and someone just kind of

1634
01:12:56.939 --> 01:12:59.039
pushed it over and it smashed.

1635
01:12:59.100 --> 01:13:01.920
So that disgruntled students.

1636
01:13:01.979 --> 01:13:02.939
No, I don't know.

1637
01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:04.739
No, they don't know where I live and they love me.

1638
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:06.720
I'm nice to them I'm not horrible to them.

1639
01:13:06.779 --> 01:13:08.640
They've got nothing to be disgruntled about.

1640
01:13:08.699 --> 01:13:11.100
Somebody that was stung by one of the bees perhaps.

1641
01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:11.939
Yeah, it could be that.

1642
01:13:12.060 --> 01:13:13.859
Anyway, it has happened before.

1643
01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:17.340
Like, it's the 2nd time that someone's just pushed it over.

1644
01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:18.720
People abused or whatever.

1645
01:13:18.779 --> 01:13:21.779
Nobody, nobody graffities around here.

1646
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:23.579
They figure it looks bad enough as he is.

1647
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:25.619
They don't want to make us feel even worse.