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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back doing Star Trek, the original series, and this is

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season two, episode 13, depending on how you count.

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I'm going in broadcast order.

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It's called Obsession, and we admitted, I think, openly to never

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even having heard of it before, although that might not be true

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for you.

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I've reviewed this twice.

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Oh my blog.

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So I've definitely seen this before.

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But we are literally, this is like halfway through TOS, isn't it?

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The halfway point.

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Yep, yeah.

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I initially, I had one of those sort of moments because we watched

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Galileo 7 last and I said that that was inept in a way that kind

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of just made you wonder, you know, how it made it to air.

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And that is a thing that occasionally happens with Star Trek.

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You know, occasionally you get a Star Trek episode like Wolf in

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the Fold where you kind of go, what the hell is everyone think

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they're doing?

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Manhunt.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I mean, I'm in original trek where it's sort of really early

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days and we're not quite sure what we're doing and sometimes we

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just, you know, face plant horribly.

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You know why, though?

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You know why it's so shocking because it's starkly contrasted with

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just exceptional work elsewhere.

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Exactly.

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It's not like they can't make great TV.

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We had the doomsday machine earlier this season, not so long ago.

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Which tribles was this season?

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Yeah, yeah.

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So when I saw this initially when I 1st saw the teaser, I thought

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oh, no, this is not going to be very good at all.

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That same alien planet again.

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Only work.

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Capolite.

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That's right.

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But I think it's really great.

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I don't think it's like top tier, but I think it's absolutely

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solid and Shatner is so good in it.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I agree.

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In fact, the 2nd you said at the beginning of this episode, we're

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back in the original series, did you see I smiled?

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This is how I've turned a corner with the original series.

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I love it when we go back here now. really fun.

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It is great.

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It is great.

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I said to you on the chat, I do think it's about 10 minutes too

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long.

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It's a bit wordy for its own good.

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It could comfortably be 40 minutes and just be a very tight

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story.

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But as we've said before, you could probably level that at, no

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just the original series and so let's cut it apart for that.

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I've got a quote, if you don't mind, from Captain's log.

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The complete voyages book here, but it's a very short one, and I'm

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only, I only want to bring this up because it references what

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influenced this, and I want to know your thoughts on that.

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So it's from writer Art Wallace, who explains, Gene Roddenbury and

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I were having dinner one night and then it came to me that it

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wouldn't be a bad idea to do a version of Moby Dick, which became

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obsession.

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I just substituted the cloud, the great whale.

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What do you think?

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Well, I think that's kind of obvious.

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I think that anyone watching it would be thinking that way, I

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think.

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Like, that's clearly an influence.

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The big thing about the episode is you don't know, you know, at

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what point Kirk is going to become the problem.

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And it looks like he's heading towards being the problem.

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It looks like he's heading towards being an intransigent idiot and

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he looks like he's heading towards a kind of character breaking

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moment and they pull back from it.

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So even though he's obsessed, even though he is angry and all of

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those things at himself and at the thing, he isn't actually super

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irrational.

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And I think there's a massively superb central scene between all 3

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of the leads, where it looks like that's where it's heading.

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It looks like he's crazy, he's Captain Ahab, but it's just Al Kirk

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and he's there, and he's he's not irrational.

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They're there to sort of hold up a mirror. he realises, doesn't

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he?

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Even while he's still acting in this obsessed way, there's some

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sort of self-awareness to it.

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There's a couple of other episodes in trick where they do this

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sort of obsession theme, this sort of Moby Dick, they'll maybe

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it's Les Miserables in one of them.

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Uh, and that's the, you remember before the uniform where Cisco is

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blazingly angry at going after Commander Reddington.

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And then, of course, we've already covered Equinox, which features

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insane Captain Janeway going after Ransom who's been murdering all

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those Ghostbuster ghosts.

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I think this is probably the best of the free.

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I do love for the uniform, but that's far more of a two-handed

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character tale than what this is.

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I just think Shatner plays it brilliant.

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I love the bit on the bridge where he suddenly goes, it's a

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conspiracy against me and then suddenly everyone's looking at him

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and he realises, oh.

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Maybe I should have said conspiracy.

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Yes, right.

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And then the music kicks in. everyone's aware that he's a complete

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nutcase.

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But like Shatter's made for this sort of material, right?

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Yeah, he's really good.

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He's really properly good.

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And our gym shines through from time to time and he just does keep

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it light.

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He doesn't make him stupid.

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He doesn't make Kirk the problem.

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Unlike a lot of season 3 that I've seen as well.

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That sort of, sort of pushing it a bit over the top, doesn't go

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over a cliff because there's several times in the 3rd series where

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we're in pantomime territory, whereas this stays within a sort of

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dramatic boundary, which is good.

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Would you mind if I quoted from my blog, like a whole review?

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I would love you to do that.

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I thought I'd just read out the synopsis and show you how

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impressed I was the last time I watched this.

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Okay.

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Here's what I said.

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One of the best William Shatner performances in the original

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series is Rum, because he has a chance to get his teeth into some

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dark psychological material rather than simply devouring the

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scenery, although there is a bit of that as well.

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Obsession is an intelligent piece, dramatically excused, very

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nicely acted, and featuring some memorable exchanges between the

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trio of Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

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Aside from some overdone music at times.

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What am I talking about?

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I love that now.

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We're talking too much 90s trek.

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There are none of the hallmarks.

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Overdone campness, ridiculous monsters, unconvincing romance that

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usually embarrass about early trek.

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It's incredibly focussed, directly told, and features a villain

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that really gets under the skin, obsession and guilt.

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Top 10 TOS for me.

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So I definitely did watch this before.

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No, I'm surprised I forgot.

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I think that's absolutely fair.

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You know, like there is a ridiculous monster and obviously there

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is some over the top stuff, but we want that as well.

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Those are not negatives.

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Um, yeah, I just really enjoyed this and it was, it was just that

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just teetering on the edge of being crap that just gave it that

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edge, uh, to me, that made me really, really enjoyed.

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There's a suspense about watching it.

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This is going to go to hell.

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To be fair, it's a position where we're in regularly with Star

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Trek.

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That's absolutely true. part of the experience, isn't it?

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Oh, well, we should probably watch this, you know.

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I think we should.

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I do need to warn you of 2 things.

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One, I will be singing a bit of incidental music.

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So good.

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And two, I have to inform you that 4 ones, you are in complete

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agreement with Gemma.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I did actually check out German's review.

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And yes, that is a horrifying position to find myself in.

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But of course, he loves all this serious trek, doesn't he?

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It's quite serious this episode, so of course he loves this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, it seems...

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I mean, for Star Trek.

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Ridiculously serious, of course.

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I'd say melodramatic rather than dramatic, but Exactly.

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Not a bad thing.

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All right.

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I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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So I'm watching the new version with the new special effects.

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This is not one of them.

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This is a Jabalite rock that's been hastily spray painted.

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With a small section that comes away when the phaser hits it, you

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know?

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I do like how Spock corrects him from saying it's 20 times as hard

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as time into 21.4 times as hard and he just throws it away.

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He just says, thank you very much.

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Mr. Sparken doesn't sort of create a thing about it.

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I want to say something about the cloud effects, which are so

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simple.

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And they're a bit, but I think he's signed a bit different, you

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know?

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Yeah, so it looks like like dry ice or something and now the now

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the film's being run backwards.

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That's what's effective, though, I think, because it's just, it's

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acting in a weird way.

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They obviously replace the space effect. is that's not the

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original.

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Look at that.

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That beer rock looks so light.

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It really does, doesn't it?

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Leto, don't push that claw too hard. go straight through it.

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So this where he can smell something, I thought that was weird and

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cheesier and like is going on about the odour and he mentions it.

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An odour is such an American word.

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It makes me laugh.

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Um, and I think that there's something clever, something

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intelligent happening with that.

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And we might talk about it later, but I think he is genuinely in

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communication with this creature.

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Who's uh, Kirk is?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So Kirk knows that it's intelligent and purposeful, and later on

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he, you know, learns that it's going home just from the smell, from

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experiencing the smell.

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And so it's a thing that communicates via smell, but it's also a

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thing that can change its molecular structure, which would mean

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that it would be able to create certain smells because smells are

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just us detecting, you know, detecting the molecules, I guess.

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I like the whole smell thing because it's such a sort of opaque

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frat.

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But it was another way to signal that it was about throughout the

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episode.

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And yeah, and that it's intelligent.

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You know, like there is something, the way that it communicates

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and stuff.

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So it's incomprehensible, look at these fucking plants, will you?

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Look at those.

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I imagine that's what the Varga plants look like in the Dale.

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Doctor Who.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They're really bad.

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I mean, this is...

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No, look, it's the...

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TNG season one planet set, look.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, are there?

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Look, something's coming over, something's coming over the hill

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behind them.

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Quick, someone's there, like, go pop, pop, pop, get that dry ice

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going.

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So yeah, so there's another feature of this as well, where this

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guy Rizzo, or they say Rizzo.

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They pronounce it like he's Italian.

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Rizzo, though, just like the character in Greece to film.

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Yes, but they pronounce it the Italian way for some reason, which

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I think is an odd decision, but like that's fine.

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It's a shame.

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I love these...

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I love those POV shots of the clown attacking people.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They're not afraid to do a bit of freaky direction in TOS, are

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they?

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No.

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And I think this is the thing that's terrifying.

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Like, I think that this is the thing that terrified children.

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And particularly when we see the dead bodies later and they're all

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just white or much whiter, then they all were before.

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Oh, shot there, that overhead.

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It's been shot from the ceiling.

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So you're seeing the entire size of the set.

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Yeah, so that's what we end on before we go to the credits.

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It's a really good shot that high.

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What does he say?

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Every car puzzle when their body uses sucked out or something is a

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gray line.

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Yeah, I remember it now.

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Why are 2 of them completely white, like zombies and yet the

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other...

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Well, because Rizzo is still like Rizzo is still okay.

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He's not dead, but the other 2 are dead because all of their red

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corpuscles have been sucked out.

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And again, there's a little bit of science there because we know

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that Spock doesn't have haemoglobin with iron in it.

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He's as copper based and so he's not vulnerable to the thing, which

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comes up later.

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That's such a great horror movie line by something that can't

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possibly exist. doesn't exist.

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Funny, see, that is.

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That's that's so at this point I was like, okay, this is Galileo

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7.

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Plus those, that shitty planet, you know, like...

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And then it goes, da, da, da, da, da.

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I have to confess once again, I did skip over the opening music.

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No, you can't do that.

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This doesn't appeal to me at all.

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It's a boring, it's a boring opening titles, but David, I've got

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to tell you something right.

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I want another podcast the other day and somebody said to me that

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they thought that the Star Trek theme tunes have got successively

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worse.

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So he's including the Kurtzman's as it's gone along.

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And I tried to make a defence for its sort of technical competence

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you know, and beauty in kosmetry, and I wouldn't have it at all.

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They were like, no, no, no, the original was the best and

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everything that came after just gone.

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All right, then.

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That's fine.

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Good for you, though.

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Horses precautious.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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In fact, one of the things that really sold me on Strange Street

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Worlds was the new take on that music, you know, just a much more

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propulsive and interesting version of that song.

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You don't get writers' names like Art Wallace much anymore, do

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you?

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No, it is a very period name.

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So he doesn't write any other Star Trek apart from co-writing

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assignment Earth with, with, um, oh, we love that as well.

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Yeah, Roddenbury.

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Um, but this guy, Ralph Soneski, Sonenski, who directs he directs

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stacks of stuff, like he directs 5 or 6.

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And I think he does a great job.

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The one of the really interesting things about this is how look

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how green that wall is behind them.

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Just for colours, like the doomsday machine.

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There's lots of sort of half shadows on people's faces

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throughout.

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It's just more interesting to look at than that flat TNG line.

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But I also thought too that because kind of the emotions are

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heightened, you know, there's something like making the

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background's much more dramatic, rather than that sort of gray

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teal colour that we know those walls are, everything has this sort

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of green lighting behind him.

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And it's really striking all the way through, I think.

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That'll strike me that forgetting how to light things sort of

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moodily. is a bit baffling, isn't it?

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as they, not, not, don't mean TOS.

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I mean, you know, they get it right here for the most part.

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And then when we hit 90 straight, it's just so boring, isn't it?

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Do you think, do you think it has something to do with black and

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white?

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Like, because, you know, this is a show that's very proud of being

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in colour, isn't it?

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Like, yeah.

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But they're still using the sort of the same techniques when black

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and white was in where you had to use light and shadow in a really

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striking way.

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But I mean, you know, the reason the uniforms are all primary

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colours and the colour scheme on the bridge and stuff is because

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it's colour and look how colour it is.

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It isn't just a HD that makes those colours pop, but they really

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like, they really go staying with it.

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I've got to say recently we did Muse or the Muse.

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I can't remember the moves. right.

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Yes, but I'm talking about Majel Barrett.

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Yeah, the muse.

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Oh, Vermuse. very confusing.

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They shouldn't reuse styles.

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She's barely aged.

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I mean she obviously looks younger here, but she aged beautifully

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didn't she?

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She did age beautifully.

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She is really great in this episode as well.

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Now, she's getting...

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We don't get to say that very often, Nathan.

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No, she's giving him a few ccs of cordrazine, and cordrazine is

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something that Beverly uses all the time in Star Trek the Next

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Generation, unless it's very serious, in which case she uses

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trichordrazine.

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And you'll remember Man of the People, uh, in Man of the People

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she used Cordrazine to bring Deanna back to life.

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So it's powerful stuff.

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Weirdly enough, not, though, the least convincing moment in the

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next generation.

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It's up there.

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In fact, I thought all the sort of Dr. Bev moments in this episode

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were split quite evenly between Nurse Chapel, understandably, and

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Scotty, Vazali. oddly.

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He's got to do something though, isn't he?

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Exactly.

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But look at look at Kirk here.

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Like Kirk is clearly much more crazed than usual.

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And he looks like he hasn't slept.

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Like he's got sort of eye bags.

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I mean, there's De Forrest Kelly who always has eyebags, but do

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you know what I mean?

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He looks, he's really super tense.

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He's really, really stressed, and you wonder, like, that was the

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thing.

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For me, it wasn't just, is this going to just fall to pieces and

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be a massive embarrassment, which is always an exciting

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possibility with original series, but is Kirk's character going to

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be kind of wrecked?

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Is he going to become the problem?

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And he doesn't, despite all of this?

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And he gets to do some real proper acting.

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That's one thing I'll say about Shatner is he might be, you know, a

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fascinating egotist and attempting to steal the screen from

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everybody.

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We've heard great stories, you know, Julian from Voyage Home and

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all that, where he's always trying to get the camera on him.

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But for the most part, I think maybe some parts of three, this

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isn't true.

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But for the most part, he's totally invested in making this a

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vehicle for his career.

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And and for selling what they're doing, you know, because you

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could so easily not.

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He's being asked to be obsessed about a sentient cloud, you know.

400
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he just sells it.

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He's really properly good, isn't he?

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He's great.

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So you saw the lighting in Sick Bay.

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Like it's all purples and reds and stuff.

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It's just like, why is it like that?

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Why are we lighting it like that?

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Because it's interesting.

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Yeah, exactly right.

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No one seems to know how to pronounce dicoronium.

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And it's such an, it's such a TOS name for a substance, isn't it?

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Dikeronium?

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So awesome.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Let's assume it's intelligent, Nathan.

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This gaseous cloud.

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So he has got the impression it's intelligent.

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So it's 11 years ago when his career starts, right?

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I like that, though, that they wait this long to lean into his

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past and explain sort of his 1st captain, its 1st ship and all of

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this.

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Yeah, yeah.

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They, I mean, Farpoint in TNG. covered a lot of ground in that.

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There was no room for any development after that because they

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basically got the bios out of the way in the 1st episode.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, they had much more kind of they had the whole paragraph bio

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that they had to get through in FarPoint.

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You know, we had to hear about the rape gangs.

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They had seven, oh, Blake.

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Okay.

431
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That's the one line.

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Mark always brings up whenever I mention TNG, you know.

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So this is Stephen Brooks's Ensign Garavic, and Garavic is the son

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of the captain of the Farragut, who, um, Kirk, uh, you know

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served.

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What a coincidence.

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Well, that's okay.

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But but I kind of like how this works because because we get to

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see Enson Garavic go through the exact same thing that Kirk goes

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through.

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So when Kirk forgives himself for his moment of hesitation.

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We get to see it because he forgives Garavic, and it allows him to

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re-engage with that period of his life because it's not just like

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and I did a bad thing and everyone died.

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He doesn't have to think that about himself anymore.

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I think that's so good.

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Like that's such a great outcome.

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You know how we've always said about how charming Kirk can be

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relaxed with his crew.

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I bloody love that bit there, where he goes, I don't expect

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special treatment, sir, because you knew my dad. and Kurt just

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cuts him down with, well, you won't get it here, so don't worry

453
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you know?

454
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So I want to know, though, why Garavik is standing like this?

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like in this whole scene.

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He's like standing look at his legs.

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Yeah, yeah, like, he's holding the fucking, like, look at him.

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Why is he holding the tricorder like that?

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It's so...

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Dramatic license.

461
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Oh, I want to know why very often in original Star Trek, then men

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look as edible as chocolate sundaes.

463
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I mean, he's beautiful.

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No, see, I think he's not quite beautiful enough, and this episode

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would be much better.

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Yeah, no, he's weird looking.

467
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He's got terrible teeth.

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He's gorgeous.

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He reminds me of Maxwell Caulfield from Greece 2.

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Okay.

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I don't know that's a deep card that reference.

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I think one of the guys behind him is much hotter than him and

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maybe he'll come into shot.

474
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Well, that's good.

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We both join this away team.

476
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There's someone for both of us.

477
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No, this guy doesn't do anything for me.

478
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He really is.

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Oh, my God.

480
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It's a shame.

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The clown's coming.

482
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Wait, I think I smell honey.

483
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That's so great.

484
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He looked so bored before it appeared.

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He's just kind of...

486
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There we go.

487
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We're doing hard hell camera work.

488
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Yeah, we're doing handheld.

489
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That's pretty exciting.

490
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Yeah, look at that.

491
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There is just...

492
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I can't believe I'm going to say this.

493
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Oh, no, it's the guy on the left.

494
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This guy on the left.

495
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So much more dynamism and creativity with how they hold their

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fucking cameras in the 60s.

497
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

498
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Look, it's come on, but it's true.

499
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Oh yeah.

500
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It's a space vampire, Nathan.

501
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Yes.

502
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So the guy at the back, I thought that because he'd been facing

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away, they just had decided to save money and not make him up, but

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he's still alive as well.

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So that's a thing.

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Although your production issue possibility, you know, that could

507
00:22:43.740 --> 00:22:45.119
have been real as well.

508
00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:45.599
Yeah.

509
00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:51.539
Yes.

510
00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:54.779
Very serious voice over here.

511
00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:56.519
I am now even more convinced.

512
00:22:56.579 --> 00:22:59.700
It's not only an intelligent creature, but the same which

513
00:22:59.700 --> 00:23:02.579
decimated the crew of the USS Farragut.

514
00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:06.960
So, so he says that 200 people died.

515
00:23:07.019 --> 00:23:09.960
So, and says it's about half the crew.

516
00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:15.900
Um, Yeah, which is not what decimate it means, but that's fine.

517
00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:21.180
So sorry to always talk about the set dressing in TOS, but I swear

518
00:23:21.180 --> 00:23:23.700
that table changes every time we go into this room.

519
00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:24.900
Oh really?

520
00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:26.940
Yeah, because it's been red before.

521
00:23:27.059 --> 00:23:31.440
So I enjoyed the table in Kirk's quarters, which we'll see later

522
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:35.220
because it seems to be wood, which I think is a great choice.

523
00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:39.299
Like, uh, one of the best things about that stupid set in in X-Jan

524
00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:43.259
Just look at his red uniform against that green background.

525
00:23:43.319 --> 00:23:44.640
It's really strong.

526
00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:45.839
It's great, isn't it?

527
00:23:45.900 --> 00:23:47.940
My eyes are very pleased.

528
00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:52.380
Yeah, it's a kind of boring set that said.

529
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:55.019
You know, compared to the Star Trek, the Next Generation set, which

530
00:23:55.019 --> 00:23:57.720
is much sad.

531
00:23:57.720 --> 00:23:58.619
That's it.

532
00:23:58.680 --> 00:24:01.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. boring, but that's a great shot.

533
00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:02.339
Yeah.

534
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:09.059
And so this is, we will discover, the reason that Jim's being such

535
00:24:09.059 --> 00:24:12.059
an assehole is that he's being an assehole to himself.

536
00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:17.880
Um, yeah, look at his reaction to when he says it hovers.

537
00:24:17.940 --> 00:24:21.839
It hovers and he, you know, might not have fired at it quickly

538
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:22.319
enough.

539
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:27.359
You were 20 yards away from this creature and you missed, got my

540
00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:27.660
ship.

541
00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:28.680
Yeah.

542
00:24:28.740 --> 00:24:34.319
That's right didn't fire while it was hovering, sir.

543
00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:35.880
Yeah, no, because he...

544
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:38.700
Come on, how do you sell this dialogue, but they do somehow.

545
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:40.259
Yeah.

546
00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:42.420
Yeah, but it's all it's...

547
00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:45.420
Look, it's Shagnay's so good.

548
00:24:45.539 --> 00:24:47.039
It's the conviction, isn't it?

549
00:24:47.099 --> 00:24:48.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

550
00:24:48.299 --> 00:24:52.319
And Shannon being unreasonable, like being like this is not

551
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:56.279
completely out of Shatner's wheelhouse, but it is him behaving

552
00:24:56.279 --> 00:24:57.660
differently.

553
00:24:57.720 --> 00:24:59.400
Look at the lighting behind him too.

554
00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:00.359
You've noticed.

555
00:25:00.420 --> 00:25:04.079
Oh, they put him in a uniform, which sort of accentuates his

556
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:06.480
muscles, but he's got chicken arms, Captain Kirk.

557
00:25:06.539 --> 00:25:07.920
Yeah, yeah.

558
00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:08.400
Yeah.

559
00:25:08.460 --> 00:25:12.960
Yeah, well, one size smaller, said shadow, shadow.

560
00:25:13.019 --> 00:25:15.180
You haven't got any muscles.

561
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:22.619
This was a sort of stuff we loved about the court mite maneuver

562
00:25:22.619 --> 00:25:22.980
wasn't it?

563
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:25.200
Well, that guy who loses his shit.

564
00:25:25.259 --> 00:25:27.900
Remember the guy who loses his shit on the bridge, that guy?

565
00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:31.079
That's every TOS episode, really.

566
00:25:31.140 --> 00:25:32.759
Yeah, I guess so.

567
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:36.779
And yeah, very often it is Captain Kirk, like here.

568
00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:37.859
Hmm.

569
00:25:37.859 --> 00:25:44.640
So, Yeah, so this as well, I love how he just says, no, we're not

570
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:47.759
having a dialogue scene now, write me. you know, like I'm just

571
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:48.059
leaving.

572
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:50.519
There he goes, you'll be filing both reports.

573
00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:51.660
So they just walks out.

574
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:52.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

575
00:25:52.859 --> 00:25:53.460
Don't talk to me.

576
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.859
I'm not going to have this conversation with you like we do in a

577
00:25:55.859 --> 00:25:56.400
normal episode.

578
00:25:56.460 --> 00:25:58.859
Will you look at this set?

579
00:25:58.859 --> 00:26:00.660
The purple licing?

580
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:01.740
It's wonderful.

581
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:07.500
I know we're going on about it a lot. don't get to say nice things

582
00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:09.299
about how things look in Star Trek.

583
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:11.400
Apart from Kurtzman Trait, usually.

584
00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:13.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

585
00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:17.579
Oh, this is where this is where Scotty has this wonderful Dr

586
00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:18.839
Fair's deadly light.

587
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.319
They desperately need the medicine captain in the colony, you

588
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:22.500
know.

589
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:27.240
So I think that we get to mark down every next generation episode

590
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:31.259
where the motivation is that we've got to deliver the medicine to

591
00:26:31.259 --> 00:26:32.339
the colony over here.

592
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:34.200
That's just absolute bullshit.

593
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:36.180
Yeah, about 10 years, isn't it?

594
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:36.779
Next generation.

595
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:40.440
It does seem to have a great deal and they've just stolen it from

596
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:40.619
this.

597
00:26:40.740 --> 00:26:44.279
I'm not sure it adds much suspense to this one either, though.

598
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:46.740
The episode would have been fine if they didn't have somewhere

599
00:26:46.740 --> 00:26:47.819
urgent to be.

600
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:49.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

601
00:26:49.380 --> 00:26:53.640
But I guess because we have to see him disobeying orders in order

602
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:54.420
to do this.

603
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:58.859
But there's no consequences for it, and he makes the point that

604
00:26:58.859 --> 00:27:01.799
he's allowed to do it, and that's super interesting in that

605
00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:02.099
scene.

606
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:05.519
The next time I'm at work, I'm going to try that line.

607
00:27:05.579 --> 00:27:07.079
It's a conspiracy against me.

608
00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:09.720
I love this.

609
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:15.059
I love this. comes in and says, yeah, I need some advice. and he

610
00:27:15.059 --> 00:27:18.119
says, well, I'm going to need a drink then. if you want to.

611
00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:21.119
I mentioned that in my review as one of the best exchanges.

612
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:27.119
I also said my review as well.

613
00:27:27.180 --> 00:27:30.059
I love the fact that the thing that McCoy always throws at him as

614
00:27:30.059 --> 00:27:33.420
an insult is green blood is actually pivotal to his blood.

615
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:34.259
Yeah, so very important.

616
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:35.400
Yeah, yeah.

617
00:27:35.700 --> 00:27:40.619
Yeah, these, I mean, like, I do think it is a shame that the other

618
00:27:40.619 --> 00:27:44.579
regulars really don't get much of a cut of pie a lot of the time

619
00:27:44.579 --> 00:27:46.079
Ahura and check off people like that.

620
00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:50.819
But there is a reason why they keep going back to the three, and

621
00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:52.920
that's because it just works like Gangbusters.

622
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:55.200
It's great telly when they're together.

623
00:27:55.259 --> 00:27:59.880
This scene looked like it was going to be a explain the human

624
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:05.099
feeling you call obsession, but actually ends up providing and

625
00:28:05.099 --> 00:28:10.799
giving a good reason for Spock to know what happened in the past

626
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:15.059
and to tell McCoy so we get to see it so that we don't have to see

627
00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:16.680
them reading it or something like that.

628
00:28:16.740 --> 00:28:19.319
Like Spock's read it fast to the McCoy because he's Spock.

629
00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:24.119
And so he's able to deliver the, um, and, you know, it's not

630
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:24.720
tedious.

631
00:28:24.779 --> 00:28:25.980
Like, it's quite a good scene.

632
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.819
You've got McCoy's reaction and it gets us to reinterpret what's

633
00:28:29.819 --> 00:28:30.119
happened.

634
00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:34.019
Even when they're both on the same page, they still sort of throw

635
00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:35.099
barbed in themselves.

636
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:36.059
The spot goes.

637
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:37.200
Well, don't worry, doctor.

638
00:28:37.259 --> 00:28:38.519
I can read a lot faster than you.

639
00:28:38.579 --> 00:28:41.700
Well, I don't think I don't think that's a dig.

640
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:43.079
And so look at the book.

641
00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:43.799
Well, I don't know.

642
00:28:43.859 --> 00:28:45.359
It's just I like...

643
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:47.039
Their dynamics are fab.

644
00:28:47.099 --> 00:28:50.880
So again, the parallel already now is drawn between Garavik and

645
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.519
Kirk, because they both retire to their quarters and they're both

646
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:57.000
lying there and he's having a bit of a voiceover, obviously.

647
00:28:57.059 --> 00:29:01.140
Why letting the horror distort my judgement?

648
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:06.119
But that's interesting as well because that shows that he's

649
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:09.359
rational, that he isn't, you know, mad.

650
00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:13.680
And I think this scene, which does go on for quite a long time, is

651
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:20.220
maybe the high point of the of the show, just because they're all

652
00:29:20.220 --> 00:29:20.519
so good.

653
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:25.019
I mean, it's great, but it's very funny how, you know, when it

654
00:29:25.019 --> 00:29:27.660
goes to Paul Ranklin, it goes, you know, I'm the medical officer

655
00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:30.660
and I'll say whether you're working or not.

656
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.900
Spock is literally waiting outside the entire...

657
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:34.559
It sounds wonderful.

658
00:29:34.619 --> 00:29:38.880
So look at the skull on the on the bench behind him.

659
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:40.799
There's a skull.

660
00:29:40.859 --> 00:29:43.019
It's just come out of it's just moved out of shot.

661
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:46.259
But there was a skull on the thing and I'm kind of thinking, who

662
00:29:46.259 --> 00:29:47.759
put that there and why?

663
00:29:47.819 --> 00:29:53.579
And it's like, it's like a memento Maury, you put a little skull

664
00:29:53.579 --> 00:29:58.140
in an image or a skull somewhere that reminds you that you will

665
00:29:58.140 --> 00:29:58.680
die.

666
00:29:58.740 --> 00:30:03.839
And, and so in a way, like, I don't think I'm overreading it here

667
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:08.400
I think it's there because, because Kirk is thinking of the people

668
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.039
who died on the Farragut and it was his fault.

669
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.940
And I think that's just a way of getting that across in a sort of

670
00:30:14.940 --> 00:30:15.839
subconscious way.

671
00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:18.660
Well, I'll keep my eye out to see if you've seen other episodes

672
00:30:18.660 --> 00:30:21.539
because we go to Kirk's quarters quite a lot. quite a lot.

673
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:24.059
But I'll see if they're putting that much thought into this or

674
00:30:24.059 --> 00:30:24.240
not.

675
00:30:24.299 --> 00:30:24.900
Yeah, yeah.

676
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:27.000
It seems like it seems like a thing.

677
00:30:27.059 --> 00:30:30.779
Because I also think it's really great because he delays it firing

678
00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:32.400
at it and so does Garavic.

679
00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:35.759
And Garavik hasn't, you know, resulted in the deaths of lots of

680
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:39.720
people, but 2 people will, you know, have died because Garavik

681
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:40.319
hesitates.

682
00:30:40.500 --> 00:30:45.420
Whereas for Kirk, it's 200 people, including his beloved captain.

683
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:50.519
Um, Yeah, I think there's a lot in original trek.

684
00:30:50.579 --> 00:30:54.000
This, um, you know, the captain is the head of the ship, the most

685
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:55.140
important person there.

686
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:59.579
If he's behaving irrationally, then you know, something is going

687
00:30:59.579 --> 00:31:00.359
to go seriously wrong.

688
00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:01.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

689
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:03.660
It's like the king in a Shakespeare play.

690
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:05.400
Like it's absolutely...

691
00:31:05.460 --> 00:31:08.519
It's far more of a flat structure nowadays, isn't it?

692
00:31:08.579 --> 00:31:11.220
Yeah, well, yeah, sort of, yeah.

693
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:11.579
Yeah.

694
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:17.940
Yeah, so this, he's still continuing to blame himself and and

695
00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:22.920
McCoy's telling him it's irrational, it's unreasonable.

696
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:25.440
Yeah, yeah.

697
00:31:25.500 --> 00:31:28.559
And just I can't believe it's selling these lines.

698
00:31:28.619 --> 00:31:30.779
The malevolence, I know, it's evil.

699
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.180
It must be destroyed.

700
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.839
And he teeters on the edge of, and you kind of, this is the bit

701
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:37.619
doesn't know.

702
00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:39.119
It doesn't lose it.

703
00:31:39.180 --> 00:31:41.039
I think he's convincing.

704
00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:43.440
Well, he comes back from it in this scene.

705
00:31:43.500 --> 00:31:45.299
That's what's so interesting about it.

706
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:47.039
In this very scene.

707
00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:50.220
You know, this is where he teeters closest to the edge of becoming

708
00:31:50.220 --> 00:31:51.900
the problem, don't you think?

709
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:58.680
Watching their faces without hearing the dialogue, the intensity

710
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:00.240
of the looks between them.

711
00:32:00.299 --> 00:32:03.059
Like, look at McCoy looks like he's about to murder him.

712
00:32:04.019 --> 00:32:05.400
Yeah.

713
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.039
Well, because Kirk's literally just...

714
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:09.119
Look at Kirk's reaction.

715
00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:10.559
Look at Kirk's reaction now.

716
00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:15.539
He's actually taken aback by the fact that McCoy is doing that. and

717
00:32:15.539 --> 00:32:19.740
now he's going to the door to get... waiting outside.

718
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:23.339
He'd be there sort of in the frame of the door.

719
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:25.680
No, he kind of knows...

720
00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:27.059
Then I just go.

721
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.400
This is the beat where I thought he would lose his shit about

722
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:36.420
being, you know, conspired against, like he was saying on the

723
00:32:36.420 --> 00:32:37.319
bridge earlier.

724
00:32:37.380 --> 00:32:42.720
And like he, when he says this, like he's not playing it as I'm

725
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:44.640
crazy and you're standing in my way.

726
00:32:44.700 --> 00:32:49.319
He's playing it as, oh my god, this is the, this is where we are.

727
00:32:49.380 --> 00:32:51.180
Like, this is where we've reached this.

728
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:54.539
You know, I'm maybe I'm the problem, you know.

729
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:56.099
I like it.

730
00:32:56.160 --> 00:33:00.240
It doesn't do the obvious dumb thing because he's got to be our

731
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:04.319
captain next, you know, like next time, next episode.

732
00:33:04.380 --> 00:33:10.380
He can't be the main problem here and they deftly make him not the

733
00:33:10.380 --> 00:33:10.619
problem.

734
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:15.420
I think that's where uh, Equinox 2 failed miserably because

735
00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:16.740
everyone's just...

736
00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:21.359
You're behaving irrationally, Captain Janeway and she's going, I

737
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:21.779
don't care.

738
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:23.220
She could make our telly.

739
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:24.059
I don't care.

740
00:33:24.180 --> 00:33:29.099
The best thing about for the uniform when they did this is Cisco

741
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:30.779
sort of realises halfway through.

742
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.619
And then he realises he's got to play the villain because that's

743
00:33:34.619 --> 00:33:36.599
Edinton wants to be the hero of the thing.

744
00:33:36.660 --> 00:33:37.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

745
00:33:37.380 --> 00:33:41.640
So he leans into it wholeheartedly. far missiles on a planet. don't

746
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:41.880
care.

747
00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:43.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

748
00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:46.980
It's wonderful Well, you see, this thing, like he ends up being

749
00:33:46.980 --> 00:33:48.180
right, doesn't he?

750
00:33:48.299 --> 00:33:51.539
Like he ends up being right that the thing can communicate with

751
00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:53.940
him because he's able to predict that it's going to go to the

752
00:33:53.940 --> 00:33:55.740
other planet at the end.

753
00:33:55.799 --> 00:34:00.960
And so it is a thing that uses, you know, emits molecules that we

754
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:03.839
can pick up by smell and thereby communicates.

755
00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:06.779
So Kirk has proved right about all of that.

756
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.360
And I think then Spock agrees with him, doesn't he?

757
00:34:09.420 --> 00:34:10.739
Yes.

758
00:34:10.739 --> 00:34:11.340
Like, yeah.

759
00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:15.000
I agree with you, I think this is the centrepiece of the episode.

760
00:34:15.059 --> 00:34:19.500
When that cloud appeared on the viewscreen, I was so happy because

761
00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:23.280
we had just been standing around in rooms for about half an hour

762
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.280
at this and I was like, finally, we're going to get some action

763
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.860
and that clouds back and doing some crazy shit.

764
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.139
But look at look at Shatner.

765
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:35.340
Look at him thinking, you know, like he's, he's, he's not Captain

766
00:34:35.340 --> 00:34:36.360
Ahab here.

767
00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:39.059
He is reasoning with Spock.

768
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.880
Like my intuition, you know, that's part of my job as a

769
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:42.300
commander.

770
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:45.360
I have intuitions and I'm, you know, it's reasonable to follow

771
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:45.780
them.

772
00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:49.559
And he's saying you're all doing the right thing by questioning

773
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:49.860
me.

774
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.199
And he even says to McCoy, doesn't he?

775
00:34:52.260 --> 00:34:54.599
Keep the medical lock entry open.

776
00:34:54.659 --> 00:34:55.800
Do you know?

777
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:57.719
Maybe, like, in case I...

778
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.420
I may behave more rationally, right?

779
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:02.579
It remains open and he smiles.

780
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:03.480
Look, look.

781
00:35:03.539 --> 00:35:05.639
Like, it's good.

782
00:35:05.699 --> 00:35:07.019
It's so well done.

783
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:08.219
It's really great.

784
00:35:11.460 --> 00:35:14.519
It's, they just, this three.

785
00:35:14.579 --> 00:35:16.380
They just got it right, didn't they?

786
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:17.579
They really got it right.

787
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:20.940
There's a reason why they keep trying to simulate this in the

788
00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:21.480
latest series.

789
00:35:21.539 --> 00:35:22.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

790
00:35:22.739 --> 00:35:23.820
And that never lands.

791
00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:25.139
It, like, Neverlands.

792
00:35:25.860 --> 00:35:27.780
Yeah, we go now.

793
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:29.760
The cloud's coming along. going super fast.

794
00:35:29.820 --> 00:35:32.519
So this is not the original cloud that you and I are watching.

795
00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:34.920
This is a...

796
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:35.820
CG cloud.

797
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.420
I did see pictures of it in memory alpha.

798
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:42.840
And I think it looked a lot like the, you know, there's an optical

799
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:44.039
effect.

800
00:35:44.099 --> 00:35:47.340
No, but the other optical effect that they use on the cloud when

801
00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:50.219
it appears on the planet, not the smoke, but the other kind of

802
00:35:50.219 --> 00:35:51.659
overlay effect that they have.

803
00:35:51.780 --> 00:35:53.579
Like fairy lights.

804
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:53.880
Yeah.

805
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.219
Yeah, just missed.

806
00:35:56.340 --> 00:35:58.260
I don't think they do the lights or anything.

807
00:35:59.579 --> 00:36:03.480
Poor old Chekhovs doing nothing but pushing buttons in this one.

808
00:36:03.539 --> 00:36:04.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

809
00:36:04.380 --> 00:36:06.780
Well, I mean, they're being scenery, aren't they?

810
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:08.519
They're being like the discovery crew.

811
00:36:08.579 --> 00:36:10.800
It's just like, you know, these girls.

812
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.199
I'm not sure she's even picked up a signal or anything.

813
00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:14.579
Yeah, she did.

814
00:36:14.579 --> 00:36:16.920
No, she said something before she relayed some news from the

815
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:18.719
Yorktown, I think, earlier.

816
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:19.980
So here it is.

817
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.980
Yeah, see that's modern digital effect, isn't it?

818
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:23.699
Can I do it?

819
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:24.179
Do you mind?

820
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:33.780
Is it da, da, da, da, da, da, da. favourite music.

821
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:34.860
It's so great.

822
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.219
What was I talking about in my review?

823
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:40.440
I know, the music's really good.

824
00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:41.699
I think, honestly.

825
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:43.380
I feel as if you've turned me.

826
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:44.219
That's the trouble.

827
00:36:44.219 --> 00:36:47.280
I'm tired of Star Trek project, you know, you've made me realise

828
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:48.960
just how shit night is.

829
00:36:49.019 --> 00:36:51.840
Well, suddenly the music is terrible.

830
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:53.940
I really enjoyed it till I started talking.

831
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:55.980
I exist to ruin people's fun.

832
00:36:56.039 --> 00:37:01.139
So this little bit of detail is good too, because the open the

833
00:37:01.139 --> 00:37:02.699
open hatch, do you know what I mean?

834
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.239
which is established he was fixing it before, blah, blah, blah, and

835
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:07.260
it's how it gets in.

836
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:08.699
Oh, and this.

837
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:09.840
We keep up the speed.

838
00:37:09.900 --> 00:37:10.619
Get blown up.

839
00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:16.320
And then, and so Coco goes, oh, maybe we shouldn't blow up then.

840
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:19.679
He thinks about it.

841
00:37:19.739 --> 00:37:22.860
Spock looks at him and he goes, yeah, no, actually that's crazy

842
00:37:22.860 --> 00:37:23.340
isn't it?

843
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:24.480
Like, yeah.

844
00:37:24.539 --> 00:37:25.199
Okay.

845
00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:27.539
Oh, God.

846
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.619
But it was never going to go any other way, was it?

847
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.440
Like he was in, because that would have been too far.

848
00:37:35.699 --> 00:37:38.820
I was wondering whether to self-sacrifice himself.

849
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.840
He's sitting in there in his quarters, wondering why he left the

850
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:44.880
purple light on, I think, probably.

851
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.000
Oh, I love this scene with Nurse Jack.

852
00:37:48.059 --> 00:37:48.900
I do too.

853
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:50.699
Look at her.

854
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:54.780
Either you feed yourself or we're gonna put a drip on you and

855
00:37:54.780 --> 00:37:55.619
force feed you.

856
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:57.539
And it's all a line.

857
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:01.019
Like, none of it's true because she shows this, the prescription.

858
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:04.920
This is the prescription from the doctor and it has one word on it

859
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:05.280
eat.

860
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:09.059
And then in the next scene, she returns it to seek bait and he

861
00:38:09.059 --> 00:38:13.619
identifies it as some journal article about some other pathogen or

862
00:38:13.619 --> 00:38:13.920
something.

863
00:38:13.980 --> 00:38:16.739
So she's just bluffing. really good.

864
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:20.460
You know, obviously, Spock is my favourite character in the

865
00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:21.239
original series.

866
00:38:21.300 --> 00:38:24.059
So I'm pleased of the changes that were made.

867
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:26.880
For what the, you know, the show ultimately became.

868
00:38:26.940 --> 00:38:30.960
I would have loved for her to have been number one as well

869
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:31.139
though.

870
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:32.460
Yeah, and seeing what.

871
00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:34.679
She's a great. she's a really good actress.

872
00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:36.119
Yeah, she really is.

873
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.119
And she gets the odd moment like this, but a lot of the time, you

874
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:43.440
know, she's ducking soup and moving after Spock and, you know, that

875
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:46.320
terrible sexist that occurs in a lot of original Star Trek.

876
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:47.699
Yeah, yeah.

877
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:51.780
Yeah, it is. and she's, you know, she's manipulating him in order

878
00:38:51.780 --> 00:38:54.239
to get him to, is that food?

879
00:38:54.300 --> 00:38:59.579
No, no, that's the, that's the prescription.

880
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:01.139
So that yellow thing.

881
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:03.360
She's saying that's McCoy's prescription.

882
00:39:03.420 --> 00:39:04.920
It has one word on it. eat.

883
00:39:04.980 --> 00:39:07.559
You have to eat, the doctor says, I will force feed.

884
00:39:07.619 --> 00:39:11.820
Then she puts it back in the box and he ident- oh, she identifies

885
00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:14.099
it as a journal article.

886
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:14.940
Oh no, he does.

887
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:17.760
Respiration disease.

888
00:39:17.940 --> 00:39:18.900
Diseases.

889
00:39:19.980 --> 00:39:24.539
And she just goes, ah, you know, it's just applying psychology

890
00:39:24.539 --> 00:39:25.559
using it as a prop.

891
00:39:25.619 --> 00:39:28.260
And it was lovely because we had a little bit of that.

892
00:39:28.260 --> 00:39:38.280
Well, in fact, there's a line from that portrayal of her to the

893
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:40.199
Strangely World's portrayal, I think.

894
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:42.900
In moments, yeah.

895
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.079
But God, number one is Strangely Wales.

896
00:39:46.139 --> 00:39:48.000
No, no, no.

897
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:48.840
So good.

898
00:39:48.900 --> 00:39:52.500
She's Star Trek royalty, Rebecca Remain.

899
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.079
Oh, that, what was that food?

900
00:39:55.139 --> 00:39:56.159
A load of plaster scene.

901
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:58.079
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

902
00:39:58.139 --> 00:40:00.780
That's the stuff that comes out of the replicator or whatever, the

903
00:40:00.780 --> 00:40:01.920
food thing.

904
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:04.380
They love in moments of mania.

905
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:06.360
They love throwing things on the wall.

906
00:40:06.420 --> 00:40:10.800
So he throws the thing at the wall and switches the active

907
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:15.840
ventilation thing to bypass, which will enable the cloud to get

908
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:19.260
into his room later and make it unable to get it out.

909
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.519
So he's broken the thing and that's all very obvious, which I just

910
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:24.300
think, come on.

911
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:30.300
But see, what I like here, like it doesn't fully land, like they

912
00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:32.099
don't say it, but we see it happen.

913
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:37.199
We see them fire the phases at the cloud and it doesn't work.

914
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:45.360
And that's the moment that both Garavic and Kirk C, which absolves

915
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.360
both of them from the guilt of the deaths that came afterwards

916
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:50.039
which I think is really good.

917
00:40:50.099 --> 00:40:56.519
The reason I love the cloud is the same reason I loved that weird

918
00:40:56.519 --> 00:41:00.059
shape in the Corbin mite maneuver, and the reason I love the Bork

919
00:41:00.059 --> 00:41:05.760
cube in Q Hu is because it cannot be reasoned with on any level.

920
00:41:05.820 --> 00:41:09.659
And for Star Trek, the original series for it not to have, you

921
00:41:09.659 --> 00:41:13.440
know, the mysterious voice that the clouds often do have.

922
00:41:13.500 --> 00:41:16.860
It's just an evil fucker that's going to kill people.

923
00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:19.800
Well, like the doomsday machine as well.

924
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:24.239
Yeah, but like, you know, this is a show all about sort of

925
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:25.260
rationality, isn't it?

926
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:29.099
And sort of logic and emotion and, you know, talking things to

927
00:41:29.099 --> 00:41:30.539
death and things like this.

928
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:31.860
They can't do it with this.

929
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:37.079
Yeah, so something, something implacable and incomprehensible.

930
00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:39.900
Look at, look at.

931
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.739
He's just playing that, he's pressing those buttons like an

932
00:41:43.739 --> 00:41:44.400
absolute demon.

933
00:41:44.460 --> 00:41:45.179
Check off.

934
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.699
The plough is covering the entire screen now.

935
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:49.199
It really feels like it's...

936
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:51.239
Do you see it surrounding the enterprise?

937
00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:54.000
I can't remember No, no, it's gone in through the vent.

938
00:41:54.059 --> 00:41:55.440
It's gone in through the vent.

939
00:41:55.500 --> 00:41:56.280
They couldn't have tried that.

940
00:41:56.340 --> 00:41:58.559
So it's gone in through the vent and it's going to end up in

941
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.139
Garavic's quarters hilariously.

942
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.179
Oh, bit of technobabble.

943
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:06.900
Thanks, Scotty.

944
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.480
Yes, that's what he's here for.

945
00:42:09.539 --> 00:42:11.639
Oh, and we've killed 2 people.

946
00:42:11.699 --> 00:42:13.199
Oh, okay.

947
00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:14.159
Yeah.

948
00:42:14.219 --> 00:42:14.760
Yeah.

949
00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:17.280
No, one's alive, one's not.

950
00:42:17.340 --> 00:42:18.840
Oh, that's kind of good, isn't it?

951
00:42:18.900 --> 00:42:22.019
You can add that little price tag to your little monster hunt

952
00:42:22.019 --> 00:42:22.559
Captain Kirk.

953
00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:25.500
Yeah, so he's still angry, isn't he?

954
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:26.519
He's still kind of angry.

955
00:42:26.579 --> 00:42:30.119
He's still accusing him of being irrational, but look at Kirk's

956
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:30.420
response.

957
00:42:30.539 --> 00:42:32.099
Yeah, this is great.

958
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:35.880
Gentlemen, could we please stop talking, stop belabouring the

959
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:36.059
point.

960
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.820
I'm like, we should have got out of the creature because we found

961
00:42:38.820 --> 00:42:39.360
the creature.

962
00:42:39.420 --> 00:42:41.460
It's in the ship.

963
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:43.019
Oh, yeah.

964
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.920
And this is the point where Spock is definitely on his side.

965
00:42:46.980 --> 00:42:50.699
It really is not just a cloud, it's an intelligent creature.

966
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:53.519
I think Shatner looks very handsome there, you know?

967
00:42:53.579 --> 00:42:57.300
Yeah, I think there are, I think Shatner is a handsome man.

968
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:01.440
There are moments when he's sort of over, he overdoes the makeup a

969
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:02.400
bit and...

970
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:03.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

971
00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:06.179
He's still got a lot of eyeliner on this episode, I seem to.

972
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:09.900
I think Jimmy Dooman thinks he's handsome, but he's not.

973
00:43:10.860 --> 00:43:12.719
That's probably fair.

974
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.420
Oh, I'm sorry, Jim.

975
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:16.739
I was wrong Here we go.

976
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:17.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

977
00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:18.480
There you go.

978
00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:22.440
And it is, like, it's just normal, rational kind, people, and look

979
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:24.960
at, look at Kirk smiling, you know, he's...

980
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:27.539
He's not the problem.

981
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:32.099
Did he just say the creature's ability to throw time out of sync.

982
00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:35.280
No, he throws himself out of time, sync.

983
00:43:35.340 --> 00:43:39.239
Like, I don't even know what that is or that come from or why we

984
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:40.019
needed that at all.

985
00:43:40.980 --> 00:43:44.880
It's a bit like they like throwing these things in. like, do you

986
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:46.199
remember when they said about what was it?

987
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.500
the map of the galaxy or whatever it was, contain.

988
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:49.980
Do you remember?

989
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:51.719
The Galactic Barrier or whatever.

990
00:43:51.900 --> 00:43:55.079
They just throw random things in every now and again.

991
00:43:55.139 --> 00:44:02.099
So that's the thing, the time sink thing is that that 22nd delay

992
00:44:02.099 --> 00:44:06.119
that both Kirk and Garavik did when 1st shooting at the creature

993
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:10.380
would have made no difference because, you know, they shot the

994
00:44:10.380 --> 00:44:13.500
thing with the phaser and it went straight through the creature.

995
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:17.099
And so it wouldn't have, it wouldn't have, um, yeah, here we go.

996
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:19.380
Is this spocky to explain that?

997
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:25.320
What does that explain then why Captain Kirk or Ensign Kirk

998
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:27.360
whatever he was back in the day, couldn't...

999
00:44:27.420 --> 00:44:29.099
Yeah, either of them.

1000
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:31.440
Neither of them could have saved everybody because it would have

1001
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:32.099
had no effect.

1002
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:34.739
And I think these... shit, though, and it giving them a get out

1003
00:44:34.739 --> 00:44:35.159
clause.

1004
00:44:35.219 --> 00:44:37.260
Well, no, I think you need it.

1005
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.800
I think you absolutely need it because you need a kirk who's been

1006
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:41.400
healed of this.

1007
00:44:41.460 --> 00:44:45.300
You need a kirk who's not haunted by this, and that's how it ends

1008
00:44:45.300 --> 00:44:49.980
where he goes and spends time talking to Garavic about his

1009
00:44:49.980 --> 00:44:50.400
father.

1010
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:55.739
And so Garavik is healed from his guilt and also gets to

1011
00:44:55.739 --> 00:44:58.500
reacquaint with his father, rubbing that weird prickly exchange

1012
00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:02.340
that they had about the father earlier on when he 1st came on and

1013
00:45:02.340 --> 00:45:03.900
Kirk was being a bit of a nutcase.

1014
00:45:07.019 --> 00:45:09.599
It's very kind of you to come, Mr. Spock.

1015
00:45:09.659 --> 00:45:10.139
No, no, no.

1016
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:12.300
Kindness is a human emotion, Mr. Garovic.

1017
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:13.679
I'm not afflicted with that.

1018
00:45:13.739 --> 00:45:18.000
And here we close this episode. finally, the cloud attacks.

1019
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:20.880
You smell something, Nathan?

1020
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:23.219
Yes, it smells like honey.

1021
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:24.780
It does.

1022
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:30.599
What's he doing?

1023
00:45:30.659 --> 00:45:34.260
Oh, he's going to, he's putting his hands in front of the face.

1024
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:38.280
All right, he's discovered that he's discovered that doesn't

1025
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:38.579
work.

1026
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:44.340
No, he tried to flick the switch back, but stupid Garavic broke it

1027
00:45:44.340 --> 00:45:46.920
when he threw the tray, the lunch tray.

1028
00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:49.079
It often works, you know, that would work perfectly in this

1029
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:49.679
scenario.

1030
00:45:49.739 --> 00:45:52.920
You know, when they open up cargo bay doors and suck something out

1031
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.679
and they'll just hold onto a console and don't get sucked into

1032
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:57.539
space. would work perfectly right now.

1033
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.199
Well, if it still had an ejector hatch like it did in the animated

1034
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:01.619
series.

1035
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:03.360
They could just open that up.

1036
00:46:03.420 --> 00:46:06.239
I know it's so simple, just that reverse effect.

1037
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:07.199
Yeah, it's pretty.

1038
00:46:07.260 --> 00:46:07.920
But I do like it.

1039
00:46:07.980 --> 00:46:08.940
Yeah, I like it too.

1040
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:10.320
What is that device?

1041
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:14.820
Is he the fellow you said you thought was quite pretty?

1042
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:15.539
That one there.

1043
00:46:15.659 --> 00:46:16.440
No, no.

1044
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:18.780
Oh, no, it's quite pretty, isn't it?

1045
00:46:18.780 --> 00:46:20.639
I don't think I'd mind serving on this ship, you know?

1046
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:22.619
Yeah, I think they look slightly weird.

1047
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.320
They saw a loop as well, with the morals.

1048
00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:26.280
They don't mind them all.

1049
00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:28.380
Back it up on the Enterprise, don't I?

1050
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:29.280
I guess not.

1051
00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:29.820
Yeah.

1052
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.820
Oh, so there we go.

1053
00:46:32.820 --> 00:46:33.780
Thank you, Spark.

1054
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:35.219
The reverse pressure worked.

1055
00:46:35.699 --> 00:46:39.960
We're in 90s territory again. explaining everything.

1056
00:46:40.019 --> 00:46:43.619
Well, I mean, it is just reversing the air pressure closes.

1057
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:44.519
The vent makes sense.

1058
00:46:44.579 --> 00:46:45.840
It's not super technical.

1059
00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:46.980
There is.

1060
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:49.019
It says green blood up his.

1061
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.500
Well, doctor, my reverse haemoglobin.

1062
00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:57.119
There we go.

1063
00:46:57.179 --> 00:46:59.639
He's not taking the insult at all, spokes.

1064
00:46:59.699 --> 00:47:01.920
Can you say how colloquially expressed?

1065
00:47:01.980 --> 00:47:03.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1066
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:05.880
He says, but still essentially correct, doctor.

1067
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:13.079
So this, this bit where we just admit, yes, he is in communication

1068
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:14.159
with the creature.

1069
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:20.460
And so the sense that he gets that it's alive and evil isn't just

1070
00:47:20.460 --> 00:47:25.260
him, you know, deciding that because he needs that to be true in

1071
00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:28.500
order for, you know, not to have full responsibility for the

1072
00:47:28.500 --> 00:47:32.280
deaths or whatever to, you know, 11 years ago. don't know.

1073
00:47:32.340 --> 00:47:33.360
You know, it is why we're inism.

1074
00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:37.860
We have met about 4 gaseous clouds already on TOS, and none of

1075
00:47:37.860 --> 00:47:38.880
this came up at those points.

1076
00:47:38.940 --> 00:47:42.360
Well, they were different types of gaseous clouds, I think.

1077
00:47:42.420 --> 00:47:44.699
I remember last week.

1078
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:51.300
I remember last time when we were talking about the one in Lonely

1079
00:47:51.300 --> 00:47:53.880
Among Us, which is sort of a gaseous cloud, isn't it?

1080
00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:54.719
Oh, yes.

1081
00:47:54.780 --> 00:47:55.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1082
00:47:55.500 --> 00:47:58.860
Well, that's a gaseous cloud that just takes over people, you

1083
00:47:58.860 --> 00:47:59.039
know?

1084
00:47:59.099 --> 00:48:02.280
Yeah, definitely to behave in strange ways.

1085
00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:06.659
So I don't, I, yeah, so I don't quite get...

1086
00:48:06.659 --> 00:48:09.179
I don't know.

1087
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:12.780
I don't quite get why I don't know this so well.

1088
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:14.579
I knew that.

1089
00:48:14.579 --> 00:48:15.239
Yeah, all me.

1090
00:48:15.300 --> 00:48:17.099
Yeah, so Kirk.

1091
00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:23.400
Kirk being on the Farragut as his 1st mission, his 1st posting.

1092
00:48:23.460 --> 00:48:24.480
I think I did know that.

1093
00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:27.780
And I think that we've referred to that maybe in Strange New

1094
00:48:27.780 --> 00:48:28.440
Worlds or something.

1095
00:48:28.500 --> 00:48:32.579
But this isn't an episode that's sort of come up or been redone or

1096
00:48:32.579 --> 00:48:35.579
been referred to in anything.

1097
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:36.179
Is it?

1098
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:37.679
Like I just can't think of.

1099
00:48:37.739 --> 00:48:41.219
It sort of vanishes without trace. do think this is very well

1100
00:48:41.219 --> 00:48:41.519
done.

1101
00:48:41.579 --> 00:48:45.000
But when you sort of break it down, there's a scene on a fake

1102
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.760
planetary landscape, there's lots of talking on the enterprise.

1103
00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:50.699
Captain Kirk behaving obsessively, and this has all happened

1104
00:48:50.699 --> 00:48:51.239
elsewhere.

1105
00:48:51.300 --> 00:48:54.599
So I think it could shuffle very easily into the pack.

1106
00:48:54.659 --> 00:48:57.539
There's not that sort of one, even the cloud monsters.

1107
00:48:57.599 --> 00:48:59.039
We do cloud monsters elsewhere as well.

1108
00:48:59.099 --> 00:49:03.000
And in shitter episodes, and very often you remember the crap ones

1109
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:04.500
more than the good ones.

1110
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.920
Yeah, I mean, I guess the thing that's really good about this

1111
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:11.880
episode is that it's well directed and that the script is

1112
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:13.739
interested in the characters.

1113
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:15.000
Yeah, that's right.

1114
00:49:15.059 --> 00:49:18.179
And just having that, you know, that great parallel between young

1115
00:49:18.179 --> 00:49:19.139
kirk look.

1116
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:23.280
See, Garavix are a little bit more relieved now that he's not to

1117
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:24.239
blame for everything.

1118
00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:27.539
Chekhov was bent over that console.

1119
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:30.780
Captain Kirk walked in and just stared straight at his bum.

1120
00:49:30.900 --> 00:49:31.920
Did you notice that?

1121
00:49:31.980 --> 00:49:33.780
Well, you would, you would.

1122
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:34.380
I would.

1123
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:34.980
I think you would.

1124
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.920
Although now Kirk's bending over him, Captain Kirk turned away.

1125
00:49:37.980 --> 00:49:40.500
Oh, no, no, Spock's still looking.

1126
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:43.079
I mean, Kirk's still looking at Spock's bum for a 2nd there, I

1127
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:43.260
think.

1128
00:49:44.219 --> 00:49:48.539
That's the sort of insightful combination.

1129
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:49.860
This is why people choose.

1130
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:55.260
What's going on in those displays behind?

1131
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:57.659
It looks like some weird sort of arty ink splot.

1132
00:49:57.780 --> 00:49:59.880
Yeah, yeah, I don't know what that is.

1133
00:49:59.940 --> 00:50:03.719
They sort of hinted that a little bit in the design of the Strange

1134
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:05.639
New Worlds enterprise set, I think.

1135
00:50:05.699 --> 00:50:07.380
But yes, they look great.

1136
00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:09.480
I think they look so good.

1137
00:50:09.539 --> 00:50:11.460
Strange new world sets.

1138
00:50:11.579 --> 00:50:12.960
Oh, yeah, but these...

1139
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:14.820
Please, I don't care. 20 episodes.

1140
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:16.260
Please, can we watch another one soon?

1141
00:50:16.380 --> 00:50:17.639
Yeah, so good.

1142
00:50:17.699 --> 00:50:19.320
Well, they're shooting series 3.

1143
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:23.880
Okay, when it starts, then we've got carte blanche.

1144
00:50:23.940 --> 00:50:24.960
Yeah, I think so.

1145
00:50:25.019 --> 00:50:25.619
I think so.

1146
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:29.340
Yes, yeah, see, that's super interesting.

1147
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:30.960
Isn't it?

1148
00:50:31.019 --> 00:50:33.719
So he can he can communicate with it.

1149
00:50:33.780 --> 00:50:34.739
He can understand what it's saying.

1150
00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:36.719
I like it.

1151
00:50:36.780 --> 00:50:39.059
We even do that, though, don't we?

1152
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:41.039
Remember Spock and the halter?

1153
00:50:41.099 --> 00:50:45.300
in that episode where you're in communication. with it. yeah.

1154
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.500
But it's all good stuff, but it's all sort of...

1155
00:50:49.619 --> 00:50:50.519
Yeah, I guess so.

1156
00:50:50.579 --> 00:50:51.300
I guess so.

1157
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:55.320
Yeah, I guess this is a solid episode that doesn't shit the bed in

1158
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:56.940
any kind of spectacular way.

1159
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.960
And we've watched, you know, wolf in the fold and yeah, yeah, yeah

1160
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:02.159
yeah, Galileo 7.

1161
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:06.960
Do you think that was the worst dwarf in the fold that we've

1162
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:07.079
done?

1163
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.320
Um, no, it had some things going for it.

1164
00:51:10.380 --> 00:51:12.239
Oh, you forget sexual politics.

1165
00:51:12.300 --> 00:51:18.960
I think I, I think I thought that Galileo 7 was pretty poor.

1166
00:51:19.019 --> 00:51:21.119
Although he'd had good things going for it.

1167
00:51:21.179 --> 00:51:22.559
What is brain?

1168
00:51:22.619 --> 00:51:23.400
Yeah.

1169
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:28.440
Spock's brain like has a woman in a miniskirt with a big gun on

1170
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:29.880
the Bridge of the Enterprise.

1171
00:51:29.940 --> 00:51:31.440
So there is that.

1172
00:51:31.500 --> 00:51:32.639
Like, that is pretty great.

1173
00:51:33.059 --> 00:51:35.579
A most hairy primitives.

1174
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:36.179
Do you remember?

1175
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:37.019
Yeah, yeah.

1176
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.300
There's plenty to laugh at at least.

1177
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:40.800
Yeah, yeah.

1178
00:51:40.860 --> 00:51:44.400
I do like, so we go back down onto the planet in a minute and

1179
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.679
there's some wonderful execution there.

1180
00:51:46.739 --> 00:51:48.480
Some great camera work.

1181
00:51:48.539 --> 00:51:49.320
Keep an eye on it.

1182
00:51:49.380 --> 00:51:49.980
Yeah.

1183
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:56.460
I actually really like the bit where Garavic goes to attack, like

1184
00:51:56.460 --> 00:52:00.480
attacks Kirk to stop him from sacrificing himself, and Kirk says

1185
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.039
I'm not sacrificing myself.

1186
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.159
Can you know who I am?

1187
00:52:05.699 --> 00:52:07.860
No, I'm not going to do that.

1188
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:11.579
Do you think that useless bunch can run that shit without me?

1189
00:52:11.699 --> 00:52:12.420
Come on now.

1190
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:14.940
Plus I'm William Shatner, you know.

1191
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:16.739
I also like to.

1192
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:22.980
I was expecting Garavik to die, like, and I think that would have

1193
00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:24.239
been a mistake.

1194
00:52:24.300 --> 00:52:27.840
And so you have, you have, um, McCoy.

1195
00:52:27.900 --> 00:52:31.079
You have Nemoy setting it up by saying, you know, under these

1196
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:32.699
environmental conditions.

1197
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:33.780
We could lose someone.

1198
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.239
And then you have the sort of gaff view mastershot of them taking

1199
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:44.699
forever to re-materialize in the transport to pay.

1200
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:47.039
But I'm glad they kill them.

1201
00:52:47.099 --> 00:52:50.099
That line there, it's going to take 2 men to do it.

1202
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:51.059
Well, of course it is.

1203
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:51.780
Yeah, yeah.

1204
00:52:51.780 --> 00:52:53.519
The 2 men winning to go down.

1205
00:52:53.579 --> 00:52:55.079
Look, so look at this.

1206
00:52:55.139 --> 00:52:56.579
It's that thing floating in the air.

1207
00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:58.440
Yes, it's anti-gravity.

1208
00:52:58.500 --> 00:52:59.460
Isn't that cool?

1209
00:52:59.460 --> 00:53:01.019
Was it flowing in the air originally, though?

1210
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:02.699
Yeah, I think so.

1211
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:05.639
Yeah, no, I think that's the intention that it can just fly in the

1212
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:05.820
air.

1213
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:09.239
I think probably there was a wire, probably originally, but

1214
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:09.780
they've taken out.

1215
00:53:10.619 --> 00:53:13.800
They didn't do anything to nomads wires, remember, and they were

1216
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:14.340
really bad.

1217
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.679
Oh, no math.

1218
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:20.820
Wow, great robot.

1219
00:53:20.940 --> 00:53:22.679
But I love this.

1220
00:53:22.739 --> 00:53:24.000
I like they just let go of it.

1221
00:53:24.059 --> 00:53:26.880
I mean, the bottom of it's not in shot in that shot, but I just

1222
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:29.400
love...

1223
00:53:29.460 --> 00:53:30.840
No rud coming up the chute.

1224
00:53:30.900 --> 00:53:31.619
Do you remember?

1225
00:53:33.179 --> 00:53:35.460
No, man, so awesome.

1226
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:37.380
Oh dear.

1227
00:53:37.619 --> 00:53:39.480
Okay, here we go.

1228
00:53:39.539 --> 00:53:41.519
But dramatic showdown with the cloud.

1229
00:53:41.579 --> 00:53:42.659
Yes, yeah.

1230
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:44.340
Will they possibly defeat it?

1231
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.139
I think they will.

1232
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:47.159
Yeah.

1233
00:53:47.219 --> 00:53:50.699
But it's more excuse for the crazy music to kick it, you know?

1234
00:53:50.820 --> 00:53:51.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1235
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:52.860
Dramatic zooms.

1236
00:53:52.860 --> 00:53:55.800
See, that looks like, see that?

1237
00:53:55.860 --> 00:53:56.519
That's weird.

1238
00:53:56.579 --> 00:53:58.800
I think that that's probably what it looked like through the

1239
00:53:58.800 --> 00:53:59.099
thing.

1240
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:02.460
So the plan goes wrong at the last minute, doesn't it?

1241
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:07.199
It drinks all lahema thing, all the blood stuff that has been

1242
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:10.079
provided by Dr. McCoy, hemoplasm.

1243
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:10.440
Yeah.

1244
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:13.320
So we'll have to use something else for bait.

1245
00:54:13.380 --> 00:54:16.559
I was going to call this episode Red Shirt Party because there's

1246
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:18.840
quite a few red shirts that die.

1247
00:54:18.900 --> 00:54:21.900
He should have done he should have done what Avon did in Blake 7

1248
00:54:21.900 --> 00:54:25.079
to Villa and just thrown Gary.

1249
00:54:25.139 --> 00:54:27.059
You're wearing a red shirt.

1250
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:28.559
It's the same colour as blood.

1251
00:54:28.619 --> 00:54:29.820
It's fair game, mate.

1252
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:30.780
Yeah, yeah.

1253
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:33.480
Chop.

1254
00:54:33.539 --> 00:54:34.079
There we goes.

1255
00:54:34.139 --> 00:54:34.800
Down he goes.

1256
00:54:34.860 --> 00:54:36.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1257
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:40.380
People's collarbones are notoriously weak on TOS, aren't they?

1258
00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:41.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1259
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:42.239
Yeah, yeah.

1260
00:54:42.300 --> 00:54:43.619
But I should have.

1261
00:54:43.619 --> 00:54:44.340
Oh, no.

1262
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:46.139
The whole rock face just moved.

1263
00:54:47.460 --> 00:54:50.099
Oh my god, they all set.

1264
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:53.579
Yeah, but that, that, like you're on report.

1265
00:54:54.059 --> 00:54:58.800
That's so funny He's doing the tombstone machine thing, isn't he?

1266
00:54:58.860 --> 00:55:00.179
Spock, come on now.

1267
00:55:01.739 --> 00:55:03.900
Not quite as camp.

1268
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:06.179
But I did think that that was...

1269
00:55:06.179 --> 00:55:09.840
I thought that was terribly cute because it's an episode that

1270
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:14.340
raises the question, is Shatner acting irrationally and basically

1271
00:55:14.340 --> 00:55:16.920
says, no, he's not.

1272
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:20.099
But for a 2nd you think, oh, maybe he is trying to sacrifice

1273
00:55:20.099 --> 00:55:22.800
himself and Garavek hasn't quite worked out how the episode works

1274
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:23.159
yet.

1275
00:55:23.219 --> 00:55:24.719
Look at this.

1276
00:55:24.780 --> 00:55:28.440
The camera work here, it's the POV of the cloud coming out.

1277
00:55:28.500 --> 00:55:29.639
Yeah, yeah, just...

1278
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:30.599
And then staring straight at it.

1279
00:55:30.659 --> 00:55:32.519
It's really good, isn't it?

1280
00:55:32.579 --> 00:55:34.500
And you know what music you've got here?

1281
00:55:39.659 --> 00:55:45.000
I think I think that Jama did say something about the score.

1282
00:55:45.059 --> 00:55:46.139
Here we go.

1283
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:47.159
He likes it.

1284
00:55:47.219 --> 00:55:48.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1285
00:55:48.900 --> 00:55:50.760
I mean, it's a fabulous explosion.

1286
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:53.579
It's every cue from every episode.

1287
00:55:54.300 --> 00:55:55.440
It's great cues.

1288
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:58.260
They, yeah, they're great cues and they deploy them really well.

1289
00:55:58.320 --> 00:55:59.219
Yeah, see?

1290
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:00.659
Look at just the race.

1291
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:03.480
Nemoy's eyebrow race is so good.

1292
00:56:03.539 --> 00:56:04.739
So great.

1293
00:56:04.860 --> 00:56:06.599
I love the app.

1294
00:56:06.659 --> 00:56:09.659
I always love the acting of the people in these moments.

1295
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:13.199
So watch Dr. McCoy here where it's like, oh, God, are they going

1296
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:13.739
to make it?

1297
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:16.619
Because loads of Star Trek episodes do this. you know, we all know

1298
00:56:16.619 --> 00:56:17.400
they're gonna make it.

1299
00:56:17.460 --> 00:56:18.659
They're really trying to sell it.

1300
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:21.119
Will we get them back this time?

1301
00:56:22.139 --> 00:56:24.480
No, but I love this thing.

1302
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:29.579
Spock is currently cross-circuiting to A, but that doesn't quite

1303
00:56:29.579 --> 00:56:30.780
work.

1304
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.539
So he goes, yeah, cross circuiting to be.

1305
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:38.639
And then later on, he claims that he saves the...

1306
00:56:38.699 --> 00:56:42.360
Crazy way to travel, spreading a man's molecules are over the

1307
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:42.719
universe.

1308
00:56:42.780 --> 00:56:44.400
I thought it was just perfectly tied.

1309
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:45.719
And realised...

1310
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:47.280
I checked that back, or I can get behind.

1311
00:56:47.340 --> 00:56:49.019
Cross-so A, that didn't work.

1312
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:50.760
Let's try and be.

1313
00:56:50.820 --> 00:56:51.360
It works.

1314
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:53.460
But then we do a comeback to be.

1315
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:55.440
Like, it's really kind of funny.

1316
00:56:55.500 --> 00:56:56.280
Oh my god.

1317
00:56:56.340 --> 00:56:57.599
We're all okay.

1318
00:56:57.780 --> 00:56:59.940
He's so happy checking his lands.

1319
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:02.760
He's been through a nervous breakdown.

1320
00:57:02.820 --> 00:57:05.039
I'm confronted with the horrors of the past.

1321
00:57:05.099 --> 00:57:06.719
He's like, well, that's that then.

1322
00:57:06.780 --> 00:57:12.480
Yeah, yeah, but but McCoy goes, thank goodness or thank the good

1323
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:13.679
Lord or something like that.

1324
00:57:13.739 --> 00:57:18.960
And, uh, and, uh, spot goes, no, no, it was me cross circuiting to

1325
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:19.260
be.

1326
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:22.139
There was no deity involved, which I think was pretty great.

1327
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:25.500
So, well, do you remember that medicine we were supposed to?

1328
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:26.760
Oh, yeah, yeah. we're doing that now.

1329
00:57:26.820 --> 00:57:27.960
Yeah, yeah, we'll do that now.

1330
00:57:28.019 --> 00:57:29.340
It's in the fridge.

1331
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:30.059
It'll be okay.

1332
00:57:30.179 --> 00:57:31.679
You'd sell by dates.

1333
00:57:31.739 --> 00:57:35.099
You know, they were always a couple of days conservative, I

1334
00:57:35.099 --> 00:57:35.219
think.

1335
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:39.539
Imagine, though, he is that charming Captain Kirk that we love

1336
00:57:39.539 --> 00:57:39.960
isn't he?

1337
00:57:40.019 --> 00:57:44.699
But it's because this is him forgiving his young self and

1338
00:57:44.699 --> 00:57:48.000
reacquainting himself with that time.

1339
00:57:48.059 --> 00:57:52.800
Now it's okay for him to talk about Captain Garavic, because he

1340
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:56.579
knows that he wasn't responsible for the death, and he's kind of

1341
00:57:56.579 --> 00:58:01.679
in some way, you know, taken revenge, I guess, even though that

1342
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:04.619
doesn't seem to be the kind of primary motivation at that point.

1343
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:08.639
I thought that was just good, just solid, fun, enjoyable, you

1344
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:10.260
know.

1345
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:13.380
I do have to say that Netflix has started playing wolf in the fold

1346
00:58:13.380 --> 00:58:15.719
now, and that exotic bow dance was on my screen.

1347
00:58:16.019 --> 00:58:21.539
So unfortunately, this solid competent TV is about next week

1348
00:58:21.539 --> 00:58:28.019
however, next week, we also got the shot of Nomad spraying Ahura

1349
00:58:28.019 --> 00:58:31.619
in the face on the closing credits in the still, you can't see it

1350
00:58:31.619 --> 00:58:34.619
because you're watching the next episode, but the closing credits

1351
00:58:34.619 --> 00:58:39.059
was just Nomad firing a beam at Ahura's face.

1352
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:42.179
And there's Jolene Blaylock there at the very end of the credits.

1353
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:46.860
You know how those robots go about on discovery, you know, what

1354
00:58:46.860 --> 00:58:47.280
are they called?

1355
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:50.039
The dots, they're called dots, fabulous robots.

1356
00:58:50.099 --> 00:58:52.860
They should have kept Nomad at the end of that episode.

1357
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:55.380
And you should just see them every now and again, floating past

1358
00:58:55.500 --> 00:58:56.639
vacuuming.

1359
00:58:56.699 --> 00:59:00.840
Just like vacuuming somewhere. doing some tolls, you know.

1360
00:59:00.900 --> 00:59:01.920
I mean, they've got the prop.

1361
00:59:01.980 --> 00:59:02.280
Why not?

1362
00:59:03.780 --> 00:59:05.579
Yeah, you're right.

1363
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:06.900
That was really good.

1364
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:10.800
I'm not sure I enjoyed it as much as I did when I reviewed it on

1365
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:12.900
my website.

1366
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:16.739
I was sort of watching Star Trek out of order like this, but I'd

1367
00:59:16.739 --> 00:59:18.900
seen some pretty terrible TOSs.

1368
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:22.500
I think the one I watched before, this was the one with all the

1369
00:59:22.500 --> 00:59:26.460
evil kids in series 3, which is a loathsome episode.

1370
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:29.519
So this automatically scored points there.

1371
00:59:29.579 --> 00:59:35.639
But yeah, in terms of characterisation, in terms of performance, uh

1372
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:39.179
and sort of tackling its theme in an engaging way.

1373
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:40.320
Yeah, I think that's a winner.

1374
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:43.019
We've seen a lot worse. have.

1375
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:54.360
Alright, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to

1376
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:56.039
find out where we're going next.

1377
00:59:56.219 --> 01:00:02.039
Obsession was my excellent choice this week, and so it's your turn

1378
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.860
Joe, what series are we choosing from?

1379
01:00:04.980 --> 01:00:07.079
Well, then, we're on a roll.

1380
01:00:07.139 --> 01:00:09.599
We did that brilliant triple short trek.

1381
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:11.400
We did a great DS9 episode.

1382
01:00:11.460 --> 01:00:13.920
We've done a really good TOS episode.

1383
01:00:13.980 --> 01:00:16.920
Something shit from series one and 2 of Star Trek The Next

1384
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:17.820
Generation, I would think.

1385
01:00:18.059 --> 01:00:20.940
Oh, I did say I was going to do that, didn't I?

1386
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:21.659
Right, yes.

1387
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:25.920
Let's clear everything and put in Star Trek the Next Generation

1388
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:29.940
and I'm not stopping until it's one of the 1st 2 seasons.

1389
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:31.199
No, no, that's my condition.

1390
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:33.000
Oh, 2 seasons.

1391
01:00:33.059 --> 01:00:33.300
Okay?

1392
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:39.119
All right. settle in Okey dokey.

1393
01:00:39.179 --> 01:00:41.460
Oh, no, it's not, I'm afraid.

1394
01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:42.300
So we can't do it.

1395
01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:43.739
It is the best of both worlds.

1396
01:00:43.860 --> 01:00:45.179
Okay, my first.

1397
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:47.460
No, it's the 1st 2 kids.

1398
01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:49.139
All right. fist.

1399
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.900
Oh no, another brilliant episode.

1400
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:52.739
En some Row.

1401
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:53.880
Oh, no.

1402
01:00:53.940 --> 01:00:56.039
Maybe this was a dumb idea.

1403
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:03.119
Come on, a matter of perspective, the most toys.

1404
01:01:03.179 --> 01:01:04.679
Oh, yes.

1405
01:01:04.739 --> 01:01:05.940
Oh my god.

1406
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:07.079
Is it?

1407
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:10.260
Is it code of honour?

1408
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:14.039
No, but it is a Tashiara episode.

1409
01:01:14.099 --> 01:01:16.320
Season of Evil.

1410
01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:17.280
Episode 23.

1411
01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:18.599
Innovation.

1412
01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:19.440
Skin of evil.

1413
01:01:19.500 --> 01:01:20.639
Oh my god.

1414
01:01:20.699 --> 01:01:22.860
Did I send you the picture?

1415
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:30.659
So there was the Star Trek like cruise and it was, it was Denise

1416
01:01:30.659 --> 01:01:35.099
Crosby running away screaming from someone who was cosplaying his

1417
01:01:35.099 --> 01:01:35.820
arms.

1418
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:37.139
Oh, yeah.

1419
01:01:37.260 --> 01:01:41.400
That was a great costume.

1420
01:01:41.460 --> 01:01:45.059
It was the same ball gown that they chopped up and turned into

1421
01:01:45.059 --> 01:01:45.900
arms.

1422
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:47.639
I can't believe we're doing skin of evil.

1423
01:01:47.699 --> 01:01:49.619
I'm going to let you on a little secret.

1424
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.679
I know, I know this is a shitty episode.

1425
01:01:52.860 --> 01:01:54.599
I love it.

1426
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:56.579
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1427
01:01:56.639 --> 01:01:57.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1428
01:01:57.780 --> 01:02:03.000
It wins the booby prize for the least convincing blob of blood in

1429
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:04.260
Star Trek.

1430
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:06.599
What the hell is that thing on her cheek?

1431
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:07.500
It's very strange.

1432
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:12.119
That's the cheesiest funeral scene you're ever going to see

1433
01:02:12.179 --> 01:02:13.739
television ever.

1434
01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:18.780
I'll almost certainly tear up, I think, probably, but that's just

1435
01:02:18.780 --> 01:02:19.019
me.

1436
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:24.480
And it's got some great moments with Troy, that fucking weird

1437
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:28.320
monster that's very cheap, but somehow a bit scary.

1438
01:02:28.380 --> 01:02:29.460
I think as well.

1439
01:02:30.539 --> 01:02:32.639
Oh, what a joy.

1440
01:02:32.699 --> 01:02:34.380
Yeah, no, we have to do it.

1441
01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:34.980
Absolutely.

1442
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:36.000
Brilliant.

1443
01:02:45.059 --> 01:02:47.880
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1444
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:49.079
and Nathan Bottomley.

1445
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:52.440
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find

1446
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:55.139
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1447
01:02:55.260 --> 01:02:59.340
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed

1448
01:02:59.340 --> 01:03:00.599
by Cameron Lamb.

1449
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:05.039
This episode was recorded on the 5th of March 2024 and released on

1450
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:06.119
the 15th of March.

1451
01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:10.500
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, Skin of

1452
01:03:10.500 --> 01:03:10.920
Evil.

1453
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:29.579
Wow.

1454
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:30.780
Skin of evil.

1455
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:31.500
Perfect.

1456
01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:32.820
Perfect.

1457
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:34.679
Oh my god.

1458
01:03:34.739 --> 01:03:37.079
Gator, something's got me.

1459
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:42.300
What about what about, um, what is it, KY jelly or something?

1460
01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:45.300
Like, like, that's tar, isn't it?

1461
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:49.139
No, no, no, but remember they submerge frakes in it.

1462
01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:52.559
Like it Frakes's face is like one of the ad breaks and stuff.

1463
01:03:52.619 --> 01:03:54.179
Brilliant quote about that as well.

1464
01:03:54.179 --> 01:03:55.320
Yeah.

1465
01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:59.159
LeVar Burn turned to him afterwards and said, Fraser, you're mad

1466
01:03:59.219 --> 01:04:00.179
would have done that.

1467
01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:04.500
He's trying to impress at this point, you know?

1468
01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:05.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1469
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:06.840
Well, it worked for him.

1470
01:04:06.900 --> 01:04:08.699
It, you know, it's a very long career.

1471
01:04:08.820 --> 01:04:14.820
It's working about Denise Crosby leaving as well and like some of

1472
01:04:14.820 --> 01:04:17.280
the quotes that, you know, god damn it, what did I do?

1473
01:04:17.340 --> 01:04:21.960
I don't think she regrets it, but I don't think she thought it was

1474
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:23.219
going to be a success either.

1475
01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:24.300
Yeah.

1476
01:04:24.300 --> 01:04:25.139
She did a lot.

1477
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:29.159
I mean, I might actually pull up her IMDb and sort of point out

1478
01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:31.739
some of the work she did afterwards because she's been busy.

1479
01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:32.820
I see.

1480
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:34.739
Yeah, she should.

1481
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:36.239
I watched her on a brilliant.

1482
01:04:36.300 --> 01:04:39.659
We're watching with Mark and my friend Lucy.

1483
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:42.960
We're watching very slowly because Lucy only comes around every a

1484
01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:43.380
couple of weeks.

1485
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:47.039
An episode of Dexter each time she comes around and she was like

1486
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:52.800
Dr. Death in one episode where she was administering a too higher

1487
01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:54.659
dosage and murdering patients.

1488
01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:57.360
And God bless her.

1489
01:04:57.420 --> 01:05:02.940
She, she goes back to her flat, Denise Crosby, and um, she's got

1490
01:05:02.940 --> 01:05:06.420
this weird relationship with the cat, like she's this lonely

1491
01:05:06.420 --> 01:05:10.079
catwoman, and she's going, oh, Mr. Frickles, I love you.

1492
01:05:10.139 --> 01:05:11.519
And then Dexter knocks her out.

1493
01:05:11.579 --> 01:05:15.840
And honest to God, she's completely naked in this scene with just

1494
01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:21.420
a bit of shrink wrap around her sort of midrift. and she plays out

1495
01:05:21.420 --> 01:05:22.559
the whole scene naked.

1496
01:05:22.619 --> 01:05:23.760
It's brilliant.

1497
01:05:23.820 --> 01:05:24.360
Yeah.

1498
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:25.860
Bless her.

1499
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:26.340
Awesome.

1500
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:29.039
Oh, I'm glad that you should do anything for a paycheque.

1501
01:05:29.099 --> 01:05:30.780
At this point.

1502
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:34.980
But she's certainly, she's certainly traded in on the Star Trek

1503
01:05:34.980 --> 01:05:37.679
now, though, because she does more convention appearances than

1504
01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:37.980
anyone.

1505
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:39.360
Yeah, yeah.

1506
01:05:39.420 --> 01:05:41.340
No, well, we love her.

1507
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:42.059
She's tremendous.

1508
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:42.780
She's brilliant.

1509
01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:44.219
But, uh, more or so.

1510
01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:46.260
Yeah, that'll be a brilliant commentary.

1511
01:05:46.380 --> 01:05:47.219
Yeah, yeah.

1512
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:48.300
Well, we haven't done.

1513
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:49.199
Oh, we did justice.

1514
01:05:49.260 --> 01:05:54.659
Yeah, she's been, remember the picture on the, on the, um, for

1515
01:05:54.659 --> 01:05:55.440
justice.

1516
01:05:55.500 --> 01:05:59.760
There's that picture where it's her and Troy standing on either

1517
01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:03.599
side of a man wearing nappies, like unattractive white guy from

1518
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:05.219
the planet Justice wearing a nappy.

1519
01:06:05.579 --> 01:06:09.360
Yeah, yeah, it's got a bit of moose knuckle happening there.

1520
01:06:09.420 --> 01:06:14.820
And she's looking off camera at her age of kind of going, can you

1521
01:06:14.820 --> 01:06:17.099
just get me the fuck out of this stupid show?

1522
01:06:17.579 --> 01:06:21.900
Oh, I'll get to talk about the fact that this wasn't the last

1523
01:06:21.900 --> 01:06:23.099
episode she shot as well.

1524
01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:26.039
Yeah, she waved the one where she.

1525
01:06:26.099 --> 01:06:26.880
Yeah, yeah.

1526
01:06:26.940 --> 01:06:27.780
From behind.

1527
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:28.500
It's really obvious.

1528
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:29.280
It's adorable.

1529
01:06:29.579 --> 01:06:33.179
Oh, there's so many talking boys on that one.

1530
01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:36.059
I think that one's going to be an easy and easy one to talk

1531
01:06:36.059 --> 01:06:36.360
about.

1532
01:06:36.420 --> 01:06:37.320
Yeah, I think so too.

1533
01:06:37.500 --> 01:06:40.500
Like, but that wasn't hard to talk about.

1534
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:42.659
But because it's a lot of men talking in rooms.

1535
01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:44.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1536
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:44.639
Yeah.

1537
01:06:44.699 --> 01:06:45.420
Yeah.

1538
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:47.880
Yeah, this was good.

1539
01:06:47.940 --> 01:06:48.960
Like it had a thing.

1540
01:06:49.019 --> 01:06:49.860
It had an R.

1541
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:54.119
Yeah, it had things to do. as well.

1542
01:06:54.179 --> 01:06:55.139
Yeah, yeah.