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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, it's our 100th episode, and to celebrate, we are doing a

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spectacular episode of Deep Space 9.

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I think we both agree.

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Is that right?

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I think this is bloody brilliant.

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This is one of my favourites from the last series, which is one of

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my favourite series of Star Trek, which is why we keep coming

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back.

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We promise you it is random.

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It just happens to randomly always kick us into. like how the

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randomiser just tends to avoid TNG series one and two, have you

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noticed?

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Yeah, it's upsetting.

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It's doing us a favour, really.

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And we've obviously got a lot of earlier DS9 to get through.

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But this is very, very good. so good.

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Yeah.

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I thought this was properly good.

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So this is the 6th of the 9 episode run, including the double

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length episode that ends the series.

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Two episodes ago was The Changing Face of Evil, which we've

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already done.

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That was yours and mine, sort of favourite soap operatics we've

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had, yeah, in Star Trek, you know.

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Kai Wynn, facing up to the fact that the man she's been shagging

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it's dug culture car, fabulous demar, causing a revolution and

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breaking off from the Dominion.

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Poor old Sabor.

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Oh, yeah, he's being stabbed in the back.

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And then his blood setting fire to the book of the coast emoji.

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Oh my god, what nonsense. was really fun.

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So that was incredibly fun.

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This is different though.

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Yeah.

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This is proper, I think.

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And so there's essentially 3 plots here.

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We've got what I think is the best plot, which is Damar and Kira.

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So clearly last week.

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Kira ends up in a Starfleet uniform working with Damar on the

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rebellion that he kind of started the week before.

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Do you remember the scene?

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It starts, it literally cuts to Cisco's office and Kira's standing

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there going, you want me to go to Cardassia and teach a bunch of

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Cardassians, how to be rebels?

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Do you realise what you're saying?

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Cisco goes, the runabout's waiting.

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Off you go.

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And it turns out that it works out really well this episode.

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I think that that's absolutely the strongest one with some

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incredible performances from everyone, you know, including Casey

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Biggs, including Nana Visitor and Renee.

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Oh, and Andrew Robinson.

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So good.

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And when you say him last, you know, we're in good, you know, we're

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in good space.

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So many great character moments within that strand.

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But so much of it leaning into the Cardassian Bajoran conflict

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that has gone back right to the start of the show and we're making

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parallels with what the Cardassians are going through to what the

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Cardassians were doing at the beginning of the show.

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I mean, talk about a mythology bearing through.

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Yeah.

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And so because you've had these characters and these arcs going

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for so long, everything is sort of meaningful.

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Everything has these sort of these whole levels of meaning and

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just the way the actors react and the way they behave and deliver

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their lines, there's so much there.

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Like there's so much to enjoy, so much subtext, all the stuff that

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90 Star Trek never does.

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It just lets the actors tell us how they feel rather than giving

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them lines where the characters tell us how they feel.

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It's worth remembering as well.

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The cast were all exhausted at this point.

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They've been doing this, you know, gruelling show of 16 hours a

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day for 7 years.

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They were ready to stop.

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They could have just been phoning it in at this point.

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And I think they're doing their best work.

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Yeah, it's really, really properly good, I think.

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Then we have a 2nd plot, which I described last night to you on

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the chat.

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It's just the Klingons are on their same old bullshit again.

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But there's no way this is...

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There is definite movement and it's bring, it's basically Remor

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who is essentially leaving Star Trek at this point.

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He's going to have a little flirtation with Voyager, but that

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won't last long.

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We've discovered that elsewhere.

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But he's basically bringing that plot to a conclusion, I think

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that he's been running ever since the sort of mid-seasons of TNG.

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Well, in fact, there are some, I think, deliberate parallels

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between this and reunion, which we did a few weeks ago.

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But I also think, though, you know, we're now at the point where

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wharf's been discommended twice and reaccepted back into the fold

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twice.

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And there's a real kind of sense of sameness here.

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You've got, you know, you've got Hartzler and you've got Michael

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Dawn and all of that's fun.

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There's a great scene with Michael Dawn and Nicole, which is

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really great too.

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But I couldn't help thinking that this felt a little bit black

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stuff we've seen a lot before.

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I thought this was a lot worthier than that.

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I like what it says about Cisco that he tells Worf effectively to

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go, kill Gowron, because that's taken us into new territory we've

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not been to with our Star Trek captain before.

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I love the scene with Ezra.

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I think it's the best scene as we get in the whole season where

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she systematically tears down the Klingon Empire in a few

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sentences and shows war for actually this can't go on anymore.

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And you've just got 3 hugely charismatic characters in Worf, Martoc

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and Gowron. which just make all of those scenes sing.

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So I, as in no way bad material.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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But it is kind of the sort of thing we've seen before quite a

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lot.

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What pays it off.

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I think is the end where Garon is kills.

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And let's not forget that Robert O'Reilly, when you found out that

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the 2 actresses playing Lurser and Betor got Generations the

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movie.

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Well, they got the script for that and he was like, oh, you're

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doing a movie, are you?

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Well, it's been nice knowing you in the Star Trek franchise

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because the 2nd you do a movie.

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You're dead.

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And they go, no, no, no.

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Then they picked up the script and it's like, oh, bugger it.

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He's obviously done, you know, lots and lots of seasons since

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then.

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I just think what makes that work is killing off Garon, who's, you

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know, has been around since reunion, which is a long time.

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This is a legacy character and he's murdered in, I know you're

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going to mock the scene, but I love that scene.

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I love it when he's sort of push through the glass in slow motion

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and he is doing the usual Klingon ship, but it feels like that

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whole thing is coming to an end.

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And I think it deserves that because we've been doing this a long

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time.

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And it's book ended by the same scene in a sense that we have in

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reunion, isn't it?

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Where Worf kills either Duras or Gauron, and someone new exceeds

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to, you know, the chancellorship.

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I think there are also parallels here too, because in both of

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those plots that we've described, the main character is encouraged

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to act in order to sweep away something that's old and not

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functioning.

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And the way that they do that is by killing someone.

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So DeMar kills Rasot and Worf kills Gauron.

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And they're both encouraged to do that by a conversation that they

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have with a female regular.

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So, um, Asri, as we've just said, but there's an incredible scene

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which we'll talk about, where Kira confronts demand in what is a

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really, really interesting scene emotionally, I think.

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And she encourages him, I think.

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And I think the episode is very clear about that, or at least the

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actor's performance is, that it's what she had said before, that

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encourages Damar to kill Rousot when he finally decides to do

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that.

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And I just think all of that stuff is really good.

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So this is one where the A and B plot are doing the same thing

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they're clearing things away for a new group of people to kind of

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take over, take control of the various races.

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And it struck me you said this before.

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I think that ROM taking over as Nagus in a couple of episodes time

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is making fun of that.

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Don't you think?

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Like, you know, with DeMar.

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I mean, we know DeMar doesn't make it because he's killed in what

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you leave behind.

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But the idea is that it will be a better Cardassian with him in

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charge, with Martok in charge of the Klingon Empire and with Rom

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in charge of Rengenar.

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All of these sort of fusty old states that you're talking about

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there.

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That's all cleared and there's a new direction for all of them.

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And who knows what that's going to be, but that's DS9 basically

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saying, we're leaving it there, make your own judgement.

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Yeah, yeah, I think that's really good.

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But it looks like the future's bright in all of those cases.

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Well, maybe not Cardassia, 1000000 people are killed in the last

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episode.

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Yeah that's true.

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But that parallel again is where Bajor was in emissary.

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So, yeah, exactly.

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There's a lot of sort of circular movement in DS9 that really pays

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Yeah.

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And and unlike the changing face of evil, where everyone's plot

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was kind of inched along a beard, here it is just those 2 plots

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and we have a sort of C plot, much sort of thinner plot, which

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leads into next week's episode, which section 31 and so on.

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So you can't have these last 10 episodes without one plot at least

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just being the sort of A to B. Yeah, we're just going to inch it

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along, like you say.

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But within that, I do like the sheer sort of obsessed with trying

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to figure it out because he cares about Odo.

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I do like O'Brien being his friend coming in and, you know, feeding

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him and offering him support.

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We're not going to get to see that.

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We won't have the opportunity to say that in a few weeks time. all

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going to be over.

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And so I think that stuff is great.

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And they, and I know.

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But we get an episode where they just properly concentrate on that

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in like next week's episode.

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Play their love for each other.

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I thought what's going on there.

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Wait till we get to that one.

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But I like how that ends as well with, you know, we're going to

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lure them in.

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We're gonna lure section 31 to the station.

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So it does offer some excitement for the future as well.

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It's run more fire on all cylinders, I think.

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I think the dialogue is very strong.

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I think the acting is amazing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And even the direction is pretty good for 90s track in this one

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too.

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Well, we should probably watch it, you know.

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I think we should.

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All right.

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I will count us in.

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Five, 4, 32, one and we're off.

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Oh, so this is exciting, isn't it?

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So it's an exciting game. ship, a Geminar ship, it's going to

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suddenly explode, and then it freezes and goes backwards.

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That's amazing.

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Unfortunately, when they freeze it, you can see sort of the

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cartoon nature of it, but never mind.

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I think it's really good.

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So I really, I mean, I just think these guys are great.

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I'm not so sure about Rasot.

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Rosat will be back, I think, in Enterprise as a Klingon.

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And he was in night terrors.

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He was the only survivor of that ship in Knights era.

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So he's had some Star Trek before.

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As a symbol of the old order, though, he works beautifully in the

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story, you know.

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Yeah, and he's a proper fascist.

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I mean, the thing about the about the Cardassians is they're kind

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of fascist.

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They've got that incredible monumental architecture and all of

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that sort of thing.

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Their respect for law and order, which Wayoon talks about in his

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scene, which we'll talk about.

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I think is a really interesting scene.

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Your opinion, no 1st, I think, was not solicited.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah He's so fucking arrogant though, isn't he?

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They're like, they're telling exactly what he should do, and he's

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breaking every one of the rules.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And because she is a Bajoran.

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He just can't bear that a Bajoran is telling him what to do.

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Yeah, and every accusation there is kind of an admission, isn't

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it?

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Like everything that he says is really what he feels.

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I do like Damas saying I'm going to give him my support.

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I thought that was pretty great.

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And it's basically the whole point at this point, isn't it?

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Is Demar realising no, in order for us to step forward.

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I can't give him support.

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I need to support these people.

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They're trying to help us build a new future.

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But that's not something you can come to very quickly, you know

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changing your life.

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And I think the way he comes to it is so great.

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And so I think this is really good too.

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And watching it, so watching it for the 2nd time, after

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remembering that Kira knows that he's much sicker than he's

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letting on is really great because she's obviously trying not to

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give anything away, but she is telling the audience, I think.

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I think we can tell from her performance that she knows.

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Look at that shot. the sort of subtext we don't normally get.

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Normally there's stuff.

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Look at how she looks as he wants to spell out in dialogue, isn't

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it?

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Yes, exactly.

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And it will be spelled out.

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Look at him.

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He looks ghastly.

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He looks much ghastlier at the end.

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I think he looks worse.

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I think the clever thing is to have the clothing deteriorate and

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distressed because it's, of course, part of him.

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And look at Andrew Robinson's reaction when he sees him.

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Like, it's so perfect.

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It's so, he's so shocked without being kind of ridiculous without

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being camp comedy Andrew Robinson.

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Odo, even when he's deteriorating, he still gets in an insult.

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How like you to come sneaking in here.

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Gary.

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Yeah.

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But I think, like, I really, really like how this scene ends.

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Partly because too, like here, the interplay between these two

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they're finishing each other's sentences.

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You know, he knows what question.

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Garak wants to ask, you know, we're getting some much needed, you

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know, exposition here about his performance and stuff like that

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about his his deterioration, you know.

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Yeah, yeah, it's so good.

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It's so good And it's it's, remember, this is a relationship that

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has been established.

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Remember that 2 parter in series 3 and then we saw them hanging

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out together in series 4 so there is a relationship here.

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They're both sort of outcasts from their own people, aren't they?

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that have found themselves on Deep Space 9 and developed a weird

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sort of a respect for each other.

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I wouldn't say friendship, but no.

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Well, there's a moment that I just read as as Garak's respect for

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Odo.

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And it's coming.

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It's coming.

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It's this reaction where he says, he says something about, you

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know, like if I, if I don't want the woman I love, have, have, I

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don't want to accept pity from her, do you think I'm going to, you

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know, like I want to accept it from you, which is really good.

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And this, like, I love his line too.

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Look at him.

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He's kind of trying to judge whether he should say something and

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then he does and then he's interrupted, but he's not, he doesn't

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feel bad about being interrupted.

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Like, I think this, where he's, he looks at him and smiles.

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And I think that that's showing respect for what Odo's like as a

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person.

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This is what Odo's like.

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That kind of orneriness is what I like in him and, you know, what

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I appreciate about a person.

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I think it's so well done.

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Well, it's astonishing with Garak, is they've taken this character

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that it used to turn up to all once or twice a season and just

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blow our socks off because he was so conniving and manipulative

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and murderous and all those things that Star Trek characters don't

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do.

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And from the start of series 6, he's in probably half the season

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in 6 and seven.

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They've made him almost a, they've made that character that

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doesn't conform to a Star Trek character's role, a regular in a

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way where we really like him, but he never loses all of those

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things that we love about him.

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Yeah, I think they, do they make him a regular in, like, purgatory

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and Inferno?

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It starts when he goes on to them to find at the end when they

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leave the station in call to arms.

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It's sort of from that point on.

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But I mean, there is, he is one of the regulars and they do show

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respect to him, you know, Martoc and all sorts of people say

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positive things about him, you know, when he's freaking out over

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you know, being trapped in a confined space.

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Yeah, in the same breath, you know, you still have episodes like

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in the Pale Moonlight, where it just stops the most.

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I'll be along to say hello.

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And you know that guy's dead.

356
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

357
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Yeah, he just killed that asshole and then that pretty, the pretty

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Romulan.

359
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Well, I've said this a 1000000 times, but what's happened with DS9

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is they spend enough time doing sort of quieter episodes getting

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us to know those characters in the early seasons.

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So when they're doing this crazy politicking in the last couple of

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seasons.

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The characters are just like they're like perpetuating the stories

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themselves.

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They're so strong at this point.

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I mean, it's also the choice to represent each political group by

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one character.

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And so character, stuff, and politics stuff are the same.

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Just so precisely cast as well.

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So good.

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So oh, here we go.

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Lots of Klingon ships all around, Deep Space 9.

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Way the warrior all over again.

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Yeah, it's probably it's probably taken from where the warrior had

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shock.

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I think it's worth remembering, again, the twist that Odo got the

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disease when he was on earth in series 4, that sort of retro

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rewriting of stuff we've already seen.

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Massive strength of DS9.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's the same thing that you end up seeing in Battlestar Galactica

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isn't it?

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Where they look back and go, ooh, I think it must have happened

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here.

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You know, like as if they're watching the show the way that we're

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watching it as well as writing it.

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I think it's really good.

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Like you get an insight into the writer's room in the documentary

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when they when they redo the rise room for the potential 1st

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episode of season 8 and you can see that even all those years

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later, they love being together and just banding around ideas and

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character development and you can see how a lot of this sort of

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bore through back in the day.

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So this scene is a little bit, I guess it's a scene where the 2 of

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them have conflict and he's tired and obsessed, but there's a lot

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of exposition kind of happening here to set up next week, isn't

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it?

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Is section 31?

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The sort of the biggest gift DS 9 gave to future iterations of

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Star Trek.

403
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Well, I mean, they use it in enterprise, don't they?

404
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and then they use it in discovery.

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What, now it's going to be a something?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then they're then they're doing a spinoff with Michelle Yeoh.

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I suppose it's that and it's the Dominion as well because of how

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much it impacted series 3 of Picard.

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You know, changed things.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I, like this, this plot, this very plot of section 31 infecting

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Odo, you know, you know, that's a catalyst for that, isn't it?

415
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Exactly right.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Amanda Plummer's waiting in the wings right now.

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Exactly, she's.

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She is.

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Here we go.

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No, come on.

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Don't sigh when Robert O'Reilly's on the screen.

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He is really funny.

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He's terrific here.

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It's the eyes.

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It's all in the eyes.

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Yeah the eyes are all there.

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But also he does a good job with the teeth.

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I wonder why Klingons always have like perfectly white, lower

431
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teeth and horribly yellow front teeth.

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Do you know, half no tears?

433
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It's moving slowly, but the camera hasn't stopped moving in this

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episode.

435
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Yeah, yeah.

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It's constantly moving. should have been an easy victory.

437
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Instead, he's had it as a shameful defeat.

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I love him.

439
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No, he's great.

440
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He is great.

441
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He is great.

442
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No, because then Cisco goes, he fought longer and harder than I

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ever would have done.

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Have you heard, you know, how many casualties there were and then

445
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Garon just goes as an aside?

446
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He's expected to survive.

447
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Yeah, that's pretty funny. is pretty great.

448
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It's all in the performances, I swear.

449
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

450
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Yeah.

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He is he's probably funny as well.

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And I feel like his out now. in the eyes.

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They've been chewing up and spitting out this dialogue for so many

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years.

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It's just effortless.

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I mean, later on, I've seen start Swift Martok just going

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challenge, Gowran, in the middle of a war.

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I love it.

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You know what I mean?

460
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I like big performances and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

461
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Yeah, but I think, like, I think...

462
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Martok's popular with the troops, I shan't relieve him of command

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yet.

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And then pulls out the eyes again.

465
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Yeah, yeah.

466
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Yeah.

467
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Okay, meanwhile, on Cardassia.

468
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Now, these scenes used to be fun, right?

469
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And I think part of what's really interesting here and part of

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what's deliberate is that they're not fun anymore.

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And the one character that we identify with in this scene is

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Wayoon, even though Wayoon's a terrible person, he's on the back

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foot, they're both threatening him.

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They're both dismissing him.

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She talks openly about killing him.

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And in fact, that's how she ends the scene with a threat to kill

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him.

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It's kind of like keep me informed of when the cloning facilities

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come back online.

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Let me know because then I'm going to have you killed and replaced

481
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with a much better way in.

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She underplays all of her dialogue, and yet there is like explicit

483
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threat in everything that she says.

484
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Yeah, well that's really fun.

485
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And then I think the, the Breener introduced here and the way, the

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way that the, the way the Breener introduced at the end of series

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7 to kind of up the stakes and stuff and to motivate all sorts of

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stuff. is they don't want characters and actors.

489
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They don't need any more characters.

490
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They don't want to bring anymore.

491
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You won't pay anyone, no.

492
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No.

493
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So they just get some asshole in a suit and and then have them

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deliver dialogue that all of the other characters in the scene can

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understand, but we can't so they don't even have to write the

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dialogue.

497
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But that alienates us from this scene.

498
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So whereas those scenes were like camp comedy stuff where you had

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sort of, you know, drunk Damar and and him being needled by, you

500
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know, it's kind of like he's lost his playmate a bit now that

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Damar's grown up and gone off to do, you know, terrorism and

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stuff.

503
00:23:39.299 --> 00:23:40.920
That's just, you're all right.

504
00:23:40.980 --> 00:23:42.299
There's an uncertainty to all of it.

505
00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:44.279
I just I love her tactics as well.

506
00:23:44.339 --> 00:23:47.160
When she goes, put a Kardashian on every facility.

507
00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:51.059
So but, you know, so they know that if they're going to turn the

508
00:23:51.059 --> 00:23:53.460
tire, they're going to have to murder a lot of their own people in

509
00:23:53.460 --> 00:23:54.059
order to do it.

510
00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:59.339
And of course, this is obviously building up the big revelation

511
00:23:59.339 --> 00:24:04.259
later on that they have actually found Damar's wife and son and

512
00:24:04.259 --> 00:24:05.160
killed him.

513
00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:08.339
This is her giving orders that that that should happen.

514
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:12.119
And all the stuff about descent will not be tolerated.

515
00:24:12.180 --> 00:24:16.500
All of that sort of stuff, all of that Cardassian-like behaviour

516
00:24:16.500 --> 00:24:21.960
which then causes demar to reflect on what he's been involved in

517
00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:23.279
for his whole career.

518
00:24:23.339 --> 00:24:24.599
Super interesting, I think.

519
00:24:24.660 --> 00:24:27.960
Well, in the Kardashians in the situation that the Bajorans were

520
00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:29.400
in at the start of the series.

521
00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:32.940
It's the most interesting creative decision they ever made with

522
00:24:32.940 --> 00:24:33.299
the show.

523
00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:34.440
Yeah, agree.

524
00:24:34.500 --> 00:24:37.559
Yeah, how long before our cloning facilities are operational

525
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:38.039
again?

526
00:24:38.099 --> 00:24:41.220
Well, I like the fact, sorry, he tries to make a joke with her.

527
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:44.279
She says your opinion was not solicited in a very threatening

528
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:44.519
way.

529
00:24:44.579 --> 00:24:46.859
What she's actually saying is, you're not a fan of it.

530
00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:47.519
Shut the fuck up.

531
00:24:47.579 --> 00:24:50.400
We're not allowed to have fun with these people anymore.

532
00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:52.019
No, that's right.

533
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:55.680
And so we end up feeling sympathy for Wayoon in that scene, which

534
00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:56.460
I think is pretty great.

535
00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:59.640
Yeah, see, look, did you see that?

536
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:00.480
That scene started.

537
00:25:00.539 --> 00:25:02.279
It was high above them.

538
00:25:02.339 --> 00:25:04.920
Someone walked across a walkway and then the camera, there's no

539
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:05.940
need to do that at all.

540
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:10.140
A very unconvincing and hastily erected walkway.

541
00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.180
But even a papier mache.

542
00:25:12.299 --> 00:25:13.740
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

543
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.259
I mean, this is stock caves at one, isn't it?

544
00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:21.059
Like, and they have used that set for kind of rebellion basis or

545
00:25:21.059 --> 00:25:22.740
special basis or whatever before.

546
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:25.559
The best set they have for the rebellion is when they go down into

547
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:27.240
Mila's seller.

548
00:25:27.299 --> 00:25:30.720
It's the biggest seller you've ever seen in your life and they've

549
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:32.640
got to clean it up in order to hide away there.

550
00:25:32.700 --> 00:25:34.740
She goes, you can stay here as long as you tide it up.

551
00:25:34.740 --> 00:25:39.900
And Garrett goes, The glamour of being a revolutionary.

552
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:44.220
Oh, fabulous.

553
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:45.059
Oh, yeah.

554
00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:47.160
I did think this was maybe a tactical era.

555
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:48.539
We'll take a five man team.

556
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:50.759
The 5 most important people to the rebellion.

557
00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:52.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's Star Trek.

558
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:54.180
It's clearly Star Trek.

559
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.279
That's what we do all the time in Star Trek.

560
00:25:56.339 --> 00:25:59.160
I would like just one person to say, is that a good idea?

561
00:26:00.059 --> 00:26:02.940
They probably would have done a Kursman trick.

562
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:03.960
Yeah.

563
00:26:04.019 --> 00:26:09.660
So I also like how Garak has promised not to tell Kira.

564
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.839
And of course, the 1st thing he does is go and tell Kira, and he

565
00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:15.539
doesn't do it out of from Alice or anything like that, you know

566
00:26:15.539 --> 00:26:19.019
he's doing it because it's important for her to know, given that

567
00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:20.339
she's just assigned him a job.

568
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:24.299
You know, she needs to know that he's sick and that it could

569
00:26:24.299 --> 00:26:25.440
threaten his life to do it.

570
00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:31.079
I get it because I understand both Odo and Kira and how much

571
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:33.720
respect they have for each other and why she would respect his

572
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:34.319
wishes in this.

573
00:26:34.380 --> 00:26:34.920
I love it.

574
00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:37.740
But it frustrates me because I just wish people would talk more

575
00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:38.400
often, you know?

576
00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:40.079
But the other thing too.

577
00:26:40.140 --> 00:26:44.279
The other thing too is that Garak is shocked by this.

578
00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:45.599
Don't you think?

579
00:26:45.660 --> 00:26:47.099
Like, look how he's playing it.

580
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:50.819
He's genuinely shocked that she knows and she isn't saying

581
00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:55.740
anything and she's letting him kind of sacrifice his life kind of

582
00:26:55.740 --> 00:27:00.720
allow his illness to progress because she respects his decision

583
00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:03.000
probably let him do it to the bitter end, wouldn't she?

584
00:27:03.059 --> 00:27:05.339
And do you think that anything else?

585
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:10.140
And he just goes, no, like he's really genuinely shocked. so well

586
00:27:10.140 --> 00:27:10.619
played.

587
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.559
And that's the end of that act, isn't it?

588
00:27:13.619 --> 00:27:17.940
Where she says, no, I know, and I'm going to let him continue to

589
00:27:17.940 --> 00:27:20.640
harm himself to make himself sicker and sicker.

590
00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:22.019
Give him one shred of dignity.

591
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:22.859
Shred of dignity.

592
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:23.880
It's good. isn't it?

593
00:27:23.940 --> 00:27:27.119
Okay, so here is...

594
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:29.160
Marfox in a terrible state.

595
00:27:29.220 --> 00:27:31.380
Those pyjamas are awful, aren't they?

596
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:32.759
Oh, good.

597
00:27:32.819 --> 00:27:34.079
Yeah, never mind.

598
00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:36.839
I feel like they don't have the whole set of Sick Bay there.

599
00:27:36.900 --> 00:27:38.819
It looks like a tiny corner set.

600
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:39.960
I think you're right.

601
00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:42.839
I think that's the corner where they all recover from their sex

602
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.119
capades in looking for Palmark.

603
00:27:45.180 --> 00:27:48.299
I have a lot of issues with war sometimes on TNG.

604
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.240
I think he just works like gang buses on DS9 at this point.

605
00:27:51.299 --> 00:27:54.420
Yeah, he's really good. so relaxed into the role and they're

606
00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:55.259
writing for him so well.

607
00:27:55.799 --> 00:28:00.720
Do you think that this scene is an answer to the scene at the end

608
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:05.640
of reunion where he's condemned for, yeah, where Picard gives him

609
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:11.039
a dressing down for killing Duras and now we have, now we have

610
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:14.819
Cisco basically telling him to go and deal with going.

611
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:15.420
Love it.

612
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.599
And I love the fact that it's all, it doesn't say, say it, does

613
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:18.900
it?

614
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:19.980
It's all implied.

615
00:28:20.339 --> 00:28:25.019
He's risking the entire defence and he's got to stop.

616
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:30.599
And, and like, it's not initially hit, like, it's not Worf goes

617
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:32.519
off and says, all right, I better kill Gauron.

618
00:28:32.579 --> 00:28:35.519
I mean, he goes off and tries to persuade Martoc to challenge

619
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:36.960
Garon.

620
00:28:37.019 --> 00:28:37.920
What a web.

621
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:39.359
He's trying to get someone else to do it.

622
00:28:39.420 --> 00:28:43.200
But, you know, like he's a Starfleet officer and stuff.

623
00:28:43.259 --> 00:28:48.839
And it's that thing again, just before he kills Duras in reunion.

624
00:28:48.900 --> 00:28:51.420
He takes off in what's quite a shocking scene at the time.

625
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.480
He takes his communicator off and leaves it on the table in his

626
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:58.259
quarters before taking the bat left off and going onto the Klingon

627
00:28:58.259 --> 00:28:58.740
sheer.

628
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:01.019
Well, I think raises the stakes for me.

629
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:04.619
What makes this more interesting than your usual sort of political

630
00:29:04.619 --> 00:29:07.680
dramas within the Klingon Empire is it's taking place during the

631
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:12.359
Dominion War at a point where we've learned that only the Klingon

632
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:15.420
ships are immune to the brain weapons.

633
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:16.619
So there are stakes to this.

634
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:20.400
And Garon sacrifice and all of that just because he wants to

635
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:21.660
embarrass Martoc.

636
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:23.819
Yeah, all of that's good.

637
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.839
And I think I think, you know, as usual Avery's kind of terrifying

638
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:28.619
in this scene.

639
00:29:29.579 --> 00:29:31.740
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

640
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:32.400
Oh my god.

641
00:29:32.460 --> 00:29:34.319
Hera's going to beat up Risson now.

642
00:29:34.380 --> 00:29:39.240
The line she has when she goes, stop pushing me or I'll make you

643
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:42.240
realise how many nerves you've got in that miserable body of

644
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:42.480
yours.

645
00:29:42.539 --> 00:29:46.200
Yeah, because he says to her, oh, look, I have hit a nerve.

646
00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:51.059
And because he's so massive and she's tiny.

647
00:29:51.059 --> 00:29:52.680
The fact that she...

648
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:54.240
Yeah, fucking head, doesn't he?

649
00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:59.339
And I love her delivery as well.

650
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:01.680
Like she's kind of toying with him, isn't she?

651
00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:03.960
Like, she's refusing to bite.

652
00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:05.700
She thinks he's funny.

653
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:09.240
He's on the back foot, even though he's making these accusations

654
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.700
because she's just refusing to take them serious.

655
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.819
And then she literally just goes, oh, I'll have time for this and

656
00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:16.019
just goes to walk away from him.

657
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:16.500
Yeah, yeah.

658
00:30:16.500 --> 00:30:17.940
But then he touches her.

659
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:19.500
Yeah.

660
00:30:19.500 --> 00:30:20.160
Straight through.

661
00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:23.519
It's a bit of a Star Trek fight, though, isn't it?

662
00:30:24.059 --> 00:30:26.460
Seeing Kira beat up anyone?

663
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:28.380
Yeah, it's been good.

664
00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:31.920
Can we please just have a moment for an Augusta?

665
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:34.500
And just she's so good in this.

666
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:35.880
Oh, she is.

667
00:30:35.940 --> 00:30:36.599
Yeah.

668
00:30:36.660 --> 00:30:37.740
But there's more to come.

669
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.500
There's some really, really good choices that she makes later on, I

670
00:30:40.500 --> 00:30:42.359
think, that it's really something.

671
00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:44.940
I think she's great when she's aggressive.

672
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:46.980
I think she's great when she's gentle.

673
00:30:47.099 --> 00:30:50.339
When she's accuser to it, she's just everything she does.

674
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:54.960
So he's going to leave and I think just one of the best Andrew

675
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:56.700
Robinson moments ever.

676
00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:58.740
He's so funny.

677
00:30:58.799 --> 00:30:59.759
It's so funny.

678
00:30:59.819 --> 00:31:01.200
So he's going to go off.

679
00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:03.839
He's going, oh, I'll get you later. blah, blah, blah.

680
00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:05.700
You'll have to do something long before that.

681
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:07.859
He does it from the darkness.

682
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:10.140
He doesn't walk out and say it.

683
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:14.400
So he's delivering the line and then he walks out with shadows on

684
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:14.759
it.

685
00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:15.839
It's so funny.

686
00:31:15.900 --> 00:31:20.279
It's like, oh, I'm being a mysterious presence again. so

687
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:20.940
ridiculous.

688
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:22.440
It's wonderful.

689
00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:23.700
It's just perfectly him.

690
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:27.359
He's just sort of, yeah, you could barely see him.

691
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:28.619
Yeah, yep.

692
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:33.180
And he's like the smile and everything and she's encouraging like

693
00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:35.759
he's encouraging her to kill him, isn't isn't he?

694
00:31:35.819 --> 00:31:38.519
I really thought when I 1st watched this, that she was going to be

695
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:40.380
the one to kill him.

696
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:42.059
Yeah, so I was quite surprised by the end.

697
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:45.240
Oh, here we go.

698
00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:46.740
We're going to have JG Hertzler now.

699
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:47.579
Oh, yeah.

700
00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:48.180
Sure now.

701
00:31:48.180 --> 00:31:49.140
Klingon stuff.

702
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:50.819
It's treasonous.

703
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:53.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

704
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:58.559
I do like as well how much they mock the word due to an honour in

705
00:31:58.559 --> 00:31:59.099
this episode.

706
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.319
Like we've overused these terms so much now.

707
00:32:01.380 --> 00:32:04.799
There's a bit later where Edry goes, it's very honourable and the

708
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.799
wharf goes, that's a better term, but it's a bit obvious.

709
00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:11.819
Well, I thought I laughed out loud at that because that's what I

710
00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:12.059
thought.

711
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:15.720
I thought, oh, this is sort of Star Trek dialogue by the numbers

712
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:17.519
and they decide to hang a hat on it.

713
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:21.960
Because her original line, which is just perfect, Ezri is... it

714
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:22.319
was sweet.

715
00:32:22.380 --> 00:32:22.680
Yeah.

716
00:32:22.740 --> 00:32:24.599
It was very sweet of him to do that.

717
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:29.700
Worf looks like he's got a bad taste in that sweet. really cute.

718
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:31.319
Terribly cute.

719
00:32:31.380 --> 00:32:35.519
Oh, and we have established as well that Martoc was from a poor

720
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:40.140
family in once more onto the breach because Cor wouldn't give him

721
00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:44.759
the time of day because he's from a very, you know, a royal family

722
00:32:44.819 --> 00:32:45.900
house.

723
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:47.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

724
00:32:47.460 --> 00:32:52.319
So Martok's sort of anxiety that nobody would take him seriously

725
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.140
if he took control. the council.

726
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:57.839
Back on Chronos.

727
00:32:57.900 --> 00:33:01.980
Yeah, but like this is, for me, this is like the way you react to

728
00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:02.819
techno babble.

729
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:03.480
Do you know what I mean?

730
00:33:03.539 --> 00:33:05.819
It's just like, oh, you sound like a Romulan blah, blah, blah.

731
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:06.480
Yeah, okay, right.

732
00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:08.220
Um, Yeah.

733
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:08.819
Yeah.

734
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:09.720
I don't know.

735
00:33:09.779 --> 00:33:11.220
I just think it's great.

736
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:15.779
I do like Wharf playing that very differently.

737
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.240
Like the way that he reacts to being accused of being like a

738
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:22.559
Romulan and the way he smiles in response is pretty good.

739
00:33:22.619 --> 00:33:24.299
You're not gonna bait me.

740
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:26.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly right.

741
00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:27.539
Exactly right.

742
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:31.799
But I do think that this is a sort of a sort of slightly stupid

743
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.200
barrier to overcome.

744
00:33:34.259 --> 00:33:35.099
Do you know what I mean?

745
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.900
It's like, suddenly Martok is like super honourable and won't do

746
00:33:39.900 --> 00:33:42.299
that and it's just like, oh, okay, like, whatever.

747
00:33:42.299 --> 00:33:45.480
I do like how it forces me. being in a position of having to make

748
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:46.380
the action at the end.

749
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:47.400
I do too.

750
00:33:47.460 --> 00:33:49.259
Animal, it looks so cool fighting.

751
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.259
Yeah. in that tiny scent.

752
00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:54.539
We're in the runabout now.

753
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:55.980
Oh, here we go.

754
00:33:55.980 --> 00:33:59.220
It's not often I say the best scenes are in the runabout, but the

755
00:33:59.220 --> 00:34:01.440
best scenes are in the runabout in this episode.

756
00:34:01.500 --> 00:34:04.200
Yeah, this is really good this scene.

757
00:34:04.259 --> 00:34:09.000
And it's all in the way the 2 main characters in the scene

758
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:11.880
performer, I think. is really good.

759
00:34:11.940 --> 00:34:14.639
So we just get a little moment between them.

760
00:34:14.699 --> 00:34:17.280
I'm not listening to your bullshit lies anymore.

761
00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:18.960
I'm going to get Arachtagino.

762
00:34:19.019 --> 00:34:23.039
Yeah, yeah, but she won't call him on it like she absolutely won't

763
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:23.639
call him on it.

764
00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:24.599
And then there's this.

765
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:30.900
And so she comes in, Casey Biggs has the thing in his hand.

766
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:32.280
He's just received terrible news.

767
00:34:32.340 --> 00:34:37.739
She asks and it's his son, his wife and son.

768
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:39.780
We get that mentioned.

769
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:44.159
And you know what's so interesting is earlier in the season, we

770
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.199
saw him with another woman on his arm.

771
00:34:46.260 --> 00:34:50.280
He's been abusing his power, forgetting his family, and now

772
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:50.940
they've paid the price.

773
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.300
And he, like, she's heartbroken for him.

774
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:02.280
She feels for him and, you know, she closes her eyes and now she's

775
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:03.239
am I going to say this?

776
00:35:03.300 --> 00:35:04.619
Am I going to say it?

777
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:05.940
Like we get that shot of her.

778
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:08.519
Am I going to say anything?

779
00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:10.019
And she says it.

780
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:12.360
She says, yeah, what people give those orders?

781
00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:15.420
He gives too much of a line, doesn't she?

782
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:18.360
But look at that look that he walks up to her.

783
00:35:18.420 --> 00:35:20.639
He's kind of got tears in his eyes.

784
00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:23.039
She doesn't know how he's going to react.

785
00:35:23.099 --> 00:35:24.900
She thinks she's blown it.

786
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:28.380
You know, like, was this the time to make that point when the

787
00:35:28.380 --> 00:35:29.699
man's family is dead?

788
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:33.420
And then Andrew Robinson, like Garrett comes in and says, no, that

789
00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:38.099
was okay, but just the 2 of them, the way that Demar reacts to

790
00:35:38.099 --> 00:35:39.420
that line is so good.

791
00:35:39.539 --> 00:35:44.400
And I think there's a moment later, which makes it clear that that

792
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:49.980
is the confrontation that causes him to decide to kill Rasad. to

793
00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:52.380
point out for me. just a suspense in that moment.

794
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:53.099
His reaction.

795
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.679
And when he comes out, isn't it?

796
00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:58.260
And because she goes, I've blown this, I fuck this up.

797
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:00.780
He's not gonna, you know, because there's so much at stake.

798
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:02.760
But you need...

799
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.679
The entire backstory of D Space 9, the Joran Kardashian conflict

800
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:11.039
their relationship where they were in series 6 for all of that to

801
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:11.340
land.

802
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:12.659
Yeah.

803
00:36:13.019 --> 00:36:17.460
So it just goes to show this long form storytelling and character

804
00:36:17.460 --> 00:36:17.880
arcs.

805
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:19.320
Great reward.

806
00:36:19.619 --> 00:36:23.940
Yeah, it gives the actors something to do, I think.

807
00:36:24.059 --> 00:36:26.460
That was a very deep space night shot there with everybody in the

808
00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:30.239
shot across the runabout in various positions, so the camera could

809
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:32.280
just point in one direction and they're all there.

810
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:35.039
We've arrived at the space station, everybody.

811
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:39.179
The Cardassian shuttle looks like it was clipped from a previous

812
00:36:39.179 --> 00:36:40.559
episode as well.

813
00:36:40.619 --> 00:36:42.000
This is amazing.

814
00:36:42.179 --> 00:36:52.139
So, so I, I think that where I've heard this scene before is on

815
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:58.500
Star Trek the Next Generation, where Picard and is it, is it in

816
00:36:58.500 --> 00:37:04.619
reunion, or it's at the end of reunion, isn't it, where he says, Um

817
00:37:04.619 --> 00:37:06.420
Duras is gone.

818
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:12.059
You're accepting this commendation for the sake of this empire, and

819
00:37:12.059 --> 00:37:15.239
there's something wrong with his empire, why are you doing this?

820
00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:16.380
It's either...

821
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:17.519
Do anything about it in that one.

822
00:37:17.579 --> 00:37:22.320
In redemption, you know, like, like, so we've had this point made

823
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:28.019
to wharf before, that if he's discommended while everyone knows

824
00:37:28.019 --> 00:37:31.199
that it was Duras's father who did the kid and the thing with the

825
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:34.139
Romulans or whatever, then this is a corrupt empire.

826
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:38.940
So this is stuff that we've been going over for 7 years now

827
00:37:38.940 --> 00:37:40.260
essentially, with this character.

828
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:44.400
Once again, though, this rewards on a couple of levels, because

829
00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:48.480
we've been through a whole journey with Worf and Ezri to the point

830
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:51.000
now where they can sit down as 2 mature adults.

831
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.420
I don't have this conversation where she is brutally honest with

832
00:37:54.420 --> 00:37:59.159
him in her own gentle way, but basically say, I think the Klingon

833
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:00.360
Empire deserves to die.

834
00:38:00.420 --> 00:38:03.480
And to say that to a Klingon who's totally invested in the Klingon

835
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:04.860
Empire, that's a big deal.

836
00:38:04.980 --> 00:38:07.980
And also she does it in sort of psychological terms as well.

837
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:10.800
She talks about symptoms and stuff, you know, like because she's a

838
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.579
counsellor, she's a psychologist, and that's super interesting, and

839
00:38:14.579 --> 00:38:18.179
she is different from, we get a mention of Jadia.

840
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:21.900
She brings it down to a level that we understand because we know

841
00:38:21.900 --> 00:38:24.599
Worf is as vulnerable where she thinks he is because we've been

842
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:25.440
with him all this time.

843
00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:29.519
And she says, if you're willing to accept this, what help is there

844
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:31.440
for the rest of the empire, you're willing to accept this

845
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:31.980
corruption.

846
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:33.179
I really like it.

847
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:34.380
I like the dialogue here.

848
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:38.159
Yeah, yeah. pointed.

849
00:38:38.219 --> 00:38:40.260
I like how honest it is.

850
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:44.639
It is a well-written version of this scene, but it is a scene that

851
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.579
Ron Moore has written before, I think.

852
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:52.980
And at the point of redemption, you didn't have the stakes you

853
00:38:52.980 --> 00:38:53.280
have here.

854
00:38:53.820 --> 00:38:55.559
No, no, no, no.

855
00:38:55.619 --> 00:38:55.920
I agree.

856
00:38:55.980 --> 00:38:56.400
I agree.

857
00:38:56.460 --> 00:39:00.300
But that's why I think that this is the 2nd best plot of the

858
00:39:00.300 --> 00:39:00.659
episode.

859
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:03.119
And you don't have the conclusion.

860
00:39:03.179 --> 00:39:06.119
Redemption, it's just you have the scene and then they just let it

861
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:06.539
keep going.

862
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.599
Whereas Wolf here just goes, all right, enough.

863
00:39:09.659 --> 00:39:12.119
We've done this bullshit for too long now.

864
00:39:12.179 --> 00:39:15.780
Let's get him out of the way and forge a new future.

865
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:16.559
Yeah.

866
00:39:16.619 --> 00:39:18.179
Oh, here we go.

867
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:19.500
Is that Kardashian space station?

868
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:21.119
Look at that Kardashian station.

869
00:39:21.179 --> 00:39:22.019
It looks so good.

870
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.980
And you instantly know it's Kardassian that uses heaps of the diff

871
00:39:25.980 --> 00:39:29.519
you know, the same design features that deep space 9 does.

872
00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:32.880
It's not just, you know, shooting Deep Space 9 from a different

873
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:34.679
angle and calling it Mpoc Nor.

874
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:36.659
Does we do a...

875
00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:39.659
And the camera comes in and it comes under the Gemadar ship to

876
00:39:39.659 --> 00:39:42.059
give it scale. to the Jadar ship as well.

877
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.840
But we also, we also park our little ship near the Jem'Hadar ship

878
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:47.519
so that we know where we're going.

879
00:39:47.579 --> 00:39:49.019
Like it tells the story there.

880
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:53.760
Here is our Nazi friend. from the killing guy.

881
00:39:53.820 --> 00:39:54.900
Does he only get this one scene?

882
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:56.820
He only gets this one seen.

883
00:39:56.880 --> 00:40:01.079
I do like the way he knows who they are. good luck looking.

884
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.440
Yeah, yeah, he knows that it's Damar, which I think is really

885
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:04.800
interesting.

886
00:40:04.860 --> 00:40:07.860
Because if the Jem'adar intelligence is pretty poor, though.

887
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:08.880
They don't know who these people are.

888
00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:10.260
Well, yeah, that's right.

889
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:13.619
I mean, fucking Demar's face was all over every screen at the end

890
00:40:13.619 --> 00:40:14.820
of the changing face of evil.

891
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.219
Yeah, the Cardassians all look the same.

892
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:21.900
I like the fact that it's your stock DS9 corridor as well, you

893
00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:22.139
know?

894
00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:27.900
Yeah, well, they can just use that as a Kardashian. they, don't

895
00:40:27.900 --> 00:40:28.079
they?

896
00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:32.280
Well, like I said, it's a step up from Mpok Nor, I think, where we

897
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:33.539
even use the same model.

898
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:35.159
But yes.

899
00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:36.599
But in a minute, right?

900
00:40:36.659 --> 00:40:37.679
The scene where they go in.

901
00:40:37.739 --> 00:40:39.360
It works on 2 levels for me.

902
00:40:39.420 --> 00:40:42.840
One is brilliant because you've got Kitty Swink there. camping it

903
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:45.179
up as the female water and we don't get too many of that.

904
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:46.260
Let me try this too.

905
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:52.980
You think that Damar is about to take the handcuffs off her, don't

906
00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:53.159
you?

907
00:40:53.219 --> 00:40:56.639
Like, she stops there with his back, but then they drop off and

908
00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:58.440
she was never, do you know what I mean?

909
00:40:58.500 --> 00:40:59.639
She was never imprisoned.

910
00:40:59.699 --> 00:41:00.960
I thought that was super interesting.

911
00:41:01.019 --> 00:41:04.860
And then you get the extra thing where it's Odo, which I think is

912
00:41:04.860 --> 00:41:05.460
pretty great.

913
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.440
Here's Mrs. Shimmerman.

914
00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:08.699
Oh, wonderful.

915
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:10.380
As the voice.

916
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:11.940
Why are you bringing her to me?

917
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:18.420
Well, then I love it when Salome Gens comes in as the female

918
00:41:18.420 --> 00:41:19.199
shapes did.

919
00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:20.820
Obviously it's Odo in disguise.

920
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:21.360
Yeah, yeah.

921
00:41:22.139 --> 00:41:24.900
I see the new plasma rifles have been deployed.

922
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:27.900
No, she says one, please. my rifle.

923
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:29.760
Cheers.

924
00:41:29.820 --> 00:41:31.380
Here she is.

925
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:34.800
And then like I said earlier, Garak still Garak, so he murders

926
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:36.719
everybody on the bridge, you know?

927
00:41:36.780 --> 00:41:38.760
And nobody really bats an eyelid.

928
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.159
No, and I think that's kind of okay.

929
00:41:41.219 --> 00:41:42.179
Like, I agree with him.

930
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.000
There's a moment, I'm not quite sure what they're doing exactly.

931
00:41:45.059 --> 00:41:48.960
So we, I think we know this is Odo, don't we?

932
00:41:49.019 --> 00:41:51.900
Because we saw the, like if we were paying attention, we know this

933
00:41:51.900 --> 00:41:52.559
is Odo.

934
00:41:52.619 --> 00:41:53.699
Otherwise, why is she here?

935
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:54.900
Why should she not?

936
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:57.360
Look, we know when she asks to see the weapon and then gives it to

937
00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:57.900
Garak.

938
00:41:58.019 --> 00:42:01.860
No, but that's just happened now, but I think we knew already when

939
00:42:01.860 --> 00:42:02.579
she comes in.

940
00:42:04.980 --> 00:42:09.000
I think he's trying to convince us because it shows scenes between

941
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:11.400
them all sort of looking at each other like, what the hell is she

942
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:12.239
doing here, you know?

943
00:42:12.300 --> 00:42:13.380
Yeah, yeah.

944
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.179
But like I think that's great.

945
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:16.019
Go for it.

946
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:18.420
And but why is she reacting like that?

947
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:19.800
Do you know what I mean?

948
00:42:19.860 --> 00:42:24.059
No, no, because then we cut to Odo and Odo, we cut to Odo

949
00:42:24.059 --> 00:42:25.199
saying...

950
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:26.579
If you have floss life was terrible.

951
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:27.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

952
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:29.940
But I think, you know, like it's war, screw it. kill them.

953
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.679
But we are in a very different place to where we were in TNG

954
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:34.860
right?

955
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:35.760
Where this is accepted.

956
00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:36.239
Yeah yeah.

957
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:41.159
If Picard was here, imagine, you'd be like eulogising them all.

958
00:42:41.219 --> 00:42:42.360
Yeah, but I mean, that's the thing.

959
00:42:42.420 --> 00:42:43.260
We can't lock them up.

960
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:45.780
And that makes them seem more desperate, obviously.

961
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.360
Like, and that's why that's being done there because they're in a

962
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:49.380
very scary situation.

963
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:51.840
This twist is so great.

964
00:42:51.900 --> 00:42:55.679
The fact that they haven't fitted the weapon yet and they have to

965
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:57.780
spin this out for another half an hour.

966
00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:59.579
That's when we go to the ad break off.

967
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.820
You're asked to camp it up as the female voice.

968
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:04.199
This is Luaran.

969
00:43:04.260 --> 00:43:05.219
Go ahead.

970
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:13.139
It's really funny the way that all of the female aliens on 90s

971
00:43:13.139 --> 00:43:17.039
Star Trek look like just American ladies and various, like, they

972
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:20.280
have sort of American lady hair, and this one's called Loaren

973
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:22.500
which seems like an American lady name.

974
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:26.579
I feel like she's been watching a bit of campy sci-fi, Kira

975
00:43:26.579 --> 00:43:29.159
because she goes, at one point she goes, excellent.

976
00:43:30.659 --> 00:43:32.159
So good.

977
00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:33.780
She's terrifically good.

978
00:43:34.500 --> 00:43:38.820
But the zoom in on her as we cut to the ad break is wonderful.

979
00:43:38.940 --> 00:43:39.840
Yeah, yeah.

980
00:43:39.900 --> 00:43:40.260
Yeah.

981
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:43.860
So, so, uh, yes.

982
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:51.000
So later on, they flood the ship with neurazine gas, and I

983
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:55.079
wondered whether they were killing them all, because it is full of

984
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:56.699
gemhadar, isn't it?

985
00:43:57.659 --> 00:43:59.699
Don't they kill them all?

986
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:01.139
I don't think we hear about them again.

987
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:07.079
No, because I, I obviously research Neurazine gas on memory alpha

988
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:10.800
and the doctor uses it to knock out the inhabitants of a Romulan

989
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:11.219
ship.

990
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:12.659
Is there an entire article?

991
00:44:12.659 --> 00:44:13.800
I of the needle.

992
00:44:13.860 --> 00:44:15.840
It only gets mentioned twice.

993
00:44:15.900 --> 00:44:19.739
Neurosene gaskets mentioned in Voyager and here, and it knocks you

994
00:44:19.739 --> 00:44:19.980
out.

995
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:24.239
So they're not going to kill all of the Jemhadar here, but they're

996
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:27.300
just going to render them unconscious until they get the, you know

997
00:44:27.300 --> 00:44:29.400
ship to federation space.

998
00:44:29.460 --> 00:44:31.079
There it was.

999
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:34.679
That end of scene with Kira going.

1000
00:44:34.739 --> 00:44:35.159
Yeah, yeah.

1001
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:36.900
We're dead.

1002
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.000
But I love that.

1003
00:44:39.059 --> 00:44:40.619
I absolutely buy that.

1004
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:42.599
I think it's a really, really good twist.

1005
00:44:42.659 --> 00:44:45.599
And it makes the whole thing really tense.

1006
00:44:45.659 --> 00:44:47.400
So they've got to kind of prevaricate.

1007
00:44:47.460 --> 00:44:48.900
It's so weird, isn't it?

1008
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:50.519
Because so little.

1009
00:44:50.579 --> 00:44:53.699
There's just Kira from the regulars in that entire plot.

1010
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:56.159
And yeah, it's the most riveting thing happening.

1011
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:57.420
Yeah.

1012
00:44:57.480 --> 00:44:59.820
Well, because all the other characters are super interesting and

1013
00:44:59.820 --> 00:45:01.739
they're strong secondary characters.

1014
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:02.639
Oh, I love this.

1015
00:45:02.699 --> 00:45:04.619
Brian coming in, just going, oh, forget it.

1016
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:05.519
You might have been a bastard.

1017
00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:06.840
Don't worry about it, you know.

1018
00:45:06.900 --> 00:45:10.199
I'm a huge fan of characters just forgiving one another and not

1019
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:11.159
being dicks about it.

1020
00:45:11.219 --> 00:45:14.280
It's just like, yeah, you know, you're in a mood and you're

1021
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:16.380
worried about Odo and...

1022
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:19.260
I would be a fan of crab rolls if I wasn't allergic to

1023
00:45:19.260 --> 00:45:19.920
crustaceans.

1024
00:45:19.980 --> 00:45:23.280
I would not be a fan of crab rolls despite, yeah.

1025
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:24.539
I can't even try them.

1026
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:28.800
Well, crab is a lot of effort to go to to get a very small amount

1027
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:30.300
of meat, I think.

1028
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:32.039
It's really not that great.

1029
00:45:32.099 --> 00:45:36.659
We are discussing how to lure Sloan to the station so they can

1030
00:45:36.659 --> 00:45:39.900
find a cure for the disease, which is nice because it does give us

1031
00:45:39.900 --> 00:45:42.300
a chance to bring that character back who has been really

1032
00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:42.719
successful.

1033
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:48.420
And and the funny thing is that he does get mentioned in dialogue

1034
00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:51.059
but not in the subtitles of the version that I'm watching.

1035
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:55.199
Um, he, his name doesn't appear, but he is mentioned by name.

1036
00:45:55.260 --> 00:45:58.079
They speculate that Sloane might come.

1037
00:45:58.139 --> 00:46:01.800
And so this is an episode that kills Sloan that next week's

1038
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:05.039
episode, but they're wandering around in his dying mind or

1039
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:05.219
something.

1040
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:09.360
I love the repeated joke they do that every time Sloan comes on

1041
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:09.840
the station.

1042
00:46:09.900 --> 00:46:12.960
He's always sitting there watching Bashir sleeping in the dark.

1043
00:46:13.019 --> 00:46:15.719
So in every episode that Sloan's in.

1044
00:46:15.780 --> 00:46:16.739
That's how he's introduced.

1045
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.019
He's just sort of sitting there watching him.

1046
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:20.699
He's like, ah, doctor, you're awake.

1047
00:46:21.179 --> 00:46:23.159
Time for our mission.

1048
00:46:23.219 --> 00:46:25.199
Oh, this is my.

1049
00:46:25.260 --> 00:46:27.059
I do love this scene Yeah.

1050
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:28.500
Oh, Penion 5.

1051
00:46:29.460 --> 00:46:33.719
So, so we've brought one of their tables.

1052
00:46:33.780 --> 00:46:38.340
We've got a Klingon table here with like some rusty light

1053
00:46:38.340 --> 00:46:38.820
underneath.

1054
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:42.719
Yeah, but it's like got rusty iron grill or whatever.

1055
00:46:42.780 --> 00:46:45.059
No one else says anything.

1056
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:48.059
There's some lady Klingons here, which is a nice change, but none

1057
00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:51.599
of them say anything. 15 battles, cruises, well, barely scratched

1058
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:52.800
that defences, Nathan.

1059
00:46:52.980 --> 00:46:56.460
Would it have been, would it have been interesting to try and

1060
00:46:56.460 --> 00:46:58.619
motivate Martoc?

1061
00:46:58.860 --> 00:47:00.539
To kill him?

1062
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:02.699
No, it's got to be wrong.

1063
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:05.460
It's got to be because it's been Worf story.

1064
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:06.119
Yeah, that's true.

1065
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:07.559
Yeah, yeah.

1066
00:47:07.619 --> 00:47:12.119
I love the plan that even when he stabs Gower on, he still gets

1067
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:13.679
one last line out, doesn't he?

1068
00:47:13.739 --> 00:47:15.059
You will not have this.

1069
00:47:15.300 --> 00:47:17.820
And he can't quite say day.

1070
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:18.480
He's sorry.

1071
00:47:18.539 --> 00:47:20.579
He doesn't, it's a meaningless line.

1072
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:23.760
It's kind of like I'm trying to get it, you know, some hilarious

1073
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:25.440
thing, but I don't manage it.

1074
00:47:25.500 --> 00:47:27.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1075
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:30.300
No, but he can't get he never gets the line out because he's dying

1076
00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:31.199
which is kind of great.

1077
00:47:31.260 --> 00:47:33.719
So he doesn't even get one final zinger at the end of it.

1078
00:47:33.780 --> 00:47:35.820
I don't think this is a terrible fight, though.

1079
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:37.019
I know it's a small room.

1080
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:37.920
I think it's well done.

1081
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:38.760
It's the small room.

1082
00:47:38.820 --> 00:47:41.519
I think it is, I think it's a good fight and I think...

1083
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:43.739
I like the fact they're shooting through that glass quite a bit.

1084
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:46.800
It just gives it, it looks visually a bit different.

1085
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:47.579
Exactly.

1086
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:51.420
And, and, you know, like we've talked about how fist fights are a

1087
00:47:51.420 --> 00:47:56.039
cheap way of getting action onto a Star Trek show, but throwing

1088
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:58.679
him through the thing and having, you know, like a stunt double

1089
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:00.239
and all of that sort of thing happening.

1090
00:48:00.300 --> 00:48:02.579
Like that's a bit more exciting, I think.

1091
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:08.519
And I think I remember as well, somehow, I must have seen a next

1092
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:13.380
week on Deep Space 9 trailer that included that scene of him being

1093
00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:16.079
thrown through the glass because I remember that as being

1094
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:16.500
striking.

1095
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:19.739
It's just worth remembering at this point as well, just how many

1096
00:48:19.739 --> 00:48:24.119
regular semi-regulars they are juggling at the moment. how they're

1097
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:28.079
having to bring all these characters to a point where they can

1098
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:34.019
conclude their stories. whilst continuing to tell the Dominion War

1099
00:48:34.019 --> 00:48:35.280
story this season as well.

1100
00:48:35.340 --> 00:48:36.119
So it's interesting.

1101
00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:38.039
Like, it's a lot of work to do.

1102
00:48:38.099 --> 00:48:39.900
The meetings must have gone on forever.

1103
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:42.420
It's really good.

1104
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:45.719
So he takes his he takes his thing off again, like he did in

1105
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:46.380
reunion.

1106
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:49.380
Now we're going to do the fight with the batlifts, just like we

1107
00:48:49.380 --> 00:48:51.000
do...

1108
00:48:51.059 --> 00:48:52.320
I do too.

1109
00:48:52.380 --> 00:48:55.199
And remember the fight with Duras was interesting because it was

1110
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:59.400
like, oh my god, it's Star Trek the Next Generation, and they're

1111
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:01.500
solving their problem through violence.

1112
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:03.719
Like, and something actually happens.

1113
00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:06.360
You know, like they don't come in and stop them.

1114
00:49:06.420 --> 00:49:09.300
Like you're expecting them to come in and stop him.

1115
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:11.820
And the fact they come in, the door opens and he just sort of

1116
00:49:11.820 --> 00:49:13.559
lands the batlet in the guy's neck.

1117
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.920
We've got no doubt at all that nobody's coming to stop this.

1118
00:49:16.980 --> 00:49:19.500
Yeah, he's been given permission. coming in to stop this.

1119
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:21.119
Now we're going through the window.

1120
00:49:21.179 --> 00:49:24.780
So he picks up the little knives. insane, Gower on his during this

1121
00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:25.019
fight.

1122
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:26.219
Yeah, yeah.

1123
00:49:26.219 --> 00:49:27.000
Is he?

1124
00:49:27.659 --> 00:49:29.219
There we go.

1125
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:30.900
Three, two, one.

1126
00:49:30.900 --> 00:49:32.940
Stunt double through the glass.

1127
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:34.679
That is a fabulous shot.

1128
00:49:34.739 --> 00:49:35.820
I love that.

1129
00:49:35.820 --> 00:49:36.599
It is pretty great.

1130
00:49:36.659 --> 00:49:38.039
We slow it down a bit.

1131
00:49:38.099 --> 00:49:38.579
Yeah.

1132
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:42.539
And then this, which is exactly how he kills Duras, isn't it?

1133
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:45.960
He raises the bat length above his head and just brings it down

1134
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:50.099
into girass's throat, but and girass is on the ground.

1135
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:54.360
Um, but now wharf's in that same position, but he actually manages

1136
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:56.219
to kill Gareth Gareron from there.

1137
00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:58.079
I might be on this if you want.

1138
00:49:58.139 --> 00:50:00.300
I actually think the music's great in this scene as well.

1139
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.139
There's like a mad drum beat going on that's giving it a lot of

1140
00:50:04.139 --> 00:50:05.219
energy and a lot of pace.

1141
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:11.519
Yeah, and this way back from series one from Heart of Glory, that

1142
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:15.239
thing, and you know, having Worf do it again to the man he's just

1143
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:15.659
killed.

1144
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:16.860
I think is pretty great.

1145
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:21.719
Yeah, I love this, how...

1146
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:22.559
The cloak.

1147
00:50:22.619 --> 00:50:25.980
It shows you how easily it can go from one person to another.

1148
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:27.239
Walk goes, no, I don't want to do that.

1149
00:50:27.300 --> 00:50:28.440
You know, you have a question.

1150
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:32.880
That sounds like a lot of work to me, you know?

1151
00:50:32.940 --> 00:50:34.500
yeah that's right.

1152
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.440
Look all the badges on it.

1153
00:50:37.500 --> 00:50:38.340
Jesus Christ.

1154
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:46.139
So is the idea that this is okay because he does it not to gain

1155
00:50:46.139 --> 00:50:50.579
power, but to, for the the sake of the, you know, reading the

1156
00:50:50.579 --> 00:50:51.480
empire of corruption.

1157
00:50:51.539 --> 00:50:52.860
And so the fact that he hands it on.

1158
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:54.300
That's why he doesn't.

1159
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:57.179
Although, I do like the fact that in what you leave behind. um

1160
00:50:57.599 --> 00:50:59.940
Wharf goes with him, doesn't he?

1161
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:02.460
He says, I want an ambassador from the Federation.

1162
00:51:02.579 --> 00:51:04.619
Come on, come and live on Chronos with me.

1163
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:06.420
Yeah, but that doesn't happen.

1164
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:07.380
He turns up in the next film.

1165
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:08.460
Yeah.

1166
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:10.860
And then Picard and it does so.

1167
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:14.760
What they call the Fengus Warriors or something?

1168
00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:16.139
No, can't remember.

1169
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:18.719
Confederus, the federus, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1170
00:51:18.780 --> 00:51:19.500
Oh, I can't remember.

1171
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:20.639
Oh, here we go.

1172
00:51:20.699 --> 00:51:21.599
Back to the Dominionship.

1173
00:51:21.659 --> 00:51:22.559
Yeah.

1174
00:51:22.619 --> 00:51:25.139
Although one last word for that last storyline.

1175
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:29.760
The bit where he goes, I am not the man to usher in this day, but

1176
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.820
there is one man here who I could just see you guys.

1177
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:34.380
Oh, God.

1178
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:36.719
Talk normally.

1179
00:51:36.780 --> 00:51:37.559
Oh, my God.

1180
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:41.880
See, these episodes now is thinking about what your reaction is

1181
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:43.139
certain dialogue.

1182
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:46.260
If they'd been if they'd been long scenes delivered in very slow

1183
00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:48.000
Klingon, I would have been there.

1184
00:51:48.059 --> 00:51:49.860
How great titles.

1185
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:53.219
They sat on this for out and now in the middle of a suspense scene

1186
00:51:53.219 --> 00:51:57.179
where they got to get out of there, the virus hits him and they

1187
00:51:57.179 --> 00:51:58.320
have to talk about it.

1188
00:51:58.380 --> 00:52:02.699
Yeah, it's really good and he looks much worse here and also I

1189
00:52:02.699 --> 00:52:04.619
like that they don't show us it happening.

1190
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:06.119
They don't do a cheesy thing.

1191
00:52:06.179 --> 00:52:08.519
It happens like that between shots.

1192
00:52:08.579 --> 00:52:10.199
We just cut and he looks like that.

1193
00:52:10.260 --> 00:52:11.519
It's really great.

1194
00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:16.440
This scene now where they're all pointing guns at each other. is

1195
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:18.599
like, what the hell is going to happen here?

1196
00:52:18.659 --> 00:52:19.500
You know?

1197
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:22.440
And it really feels like this whole rebellion is just over because

1198
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.300
there's just gums everywhere.

1199
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:25.980
Yeah, yeah.

1200
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:26.820
Yeah.

1201
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:30.780
I think if we're paying attention, we know how this is going to

1202
00:52:30.780 --> 00:52:31.860
play out, though.

1203
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:35.099
Garak, though, I'm still here, Brassut.

1204
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:36.599
With a gun.

1205
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.860
You goes, you're not going to shoot one of your own kind.

1206
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:42.599
How little you understand me.

1207
00:52:43.139 --> 00:52:47.099
Andrew Robinson can do these one-liner brilliant.

1208
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:48.000
So good.

1209
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:48.900
So good.

1210
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:51.599
Yeah, you know, you are right.

1211
00:52:51.659 --> 00:52:54.719
Actually, as a scene progresses, it is very clear how this is

1212
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:55.139
going to end.

1213
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:58.440
Yeah, yeah, but it is very good and they do sort of, and look at

1214
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:04.019
that close-up of Damar thinking because he's trying, like, he's

1215
00:53:04.019 --> 00:53:06.360
reacting to how unpersuasive.

1216
00:53:06.420 --> 00:53:07.980
He finds this speech.

1217
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:08.639
Look at him.

1218
00:53:08.699 --> 00:53:12.780
He's reacting to Rissant speech being unpersuasive, whereas once

1219
00:53:12.780 --> 00:53:16.559
it would have been persuasive, and I think it is that moment.

1220
00:53:16.619 --> 00:53:17.579
I think it's that moment.

1221
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:22.320
Look at the psychotic zeal in Garak's eyes as well who's like, ah

1222
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:23.400
what's going to happen here?

1223
00:53:23.460 --> 00:53:25.739
You know, he's loving it.

1224
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:29.159
It's also a little bit cheesy that, you know, he shoots.

1225
00:53:29.219 --> 00:53:32.159
We don't know who someone falls to the ground and then we go, oh

1226
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:34.619
it's the most disposable person in the side.

1227
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:35.340
I do like the line though.

1228
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:38.159
His Cardassian is dead and it's not coming back.

1229
00:53:38.219 --> 00:53:40.199
I do like that. drawing a line under.

1230
00:53:40.260 --> 00:53:41.219
Look at that.

1231
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:44.460
Look at that look that he gives her and that she gives him.

1232
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:49.679
Like, I think that that's him saying that's him acknowledging that

1233
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:50.340
she was right.

1234
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:51.360
Don't you?

1235
00:53:51.420 --> 00:53:53.039
Like, I don't think I'm over...

1236
00:53:53.099 --> 00:53:54.239
Why is that what they're saying?

1237
00:53:54.300 --> 00:53:55.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1238
00:53:55.380 --> 00:53:56.940
I think that's absolutely what they're doing.

1239
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:03.179
And so, so she has persuaded him to kill Rasot, just as Ezri

1240
00:54:03.179 --> 00:54:06.420
persuades, uh, wharf to kill Gauron.

1241
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.360
And on a completely another level, the fact that they have taken

1242
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:12.539
this ship means now that they do have immunities in a brain

1243
00:54:12.539 --> 00:54:12.900
weapon.

1244
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.300
So it does, you know, there's a reason for doing it.

1245
00:54:15.780 --> 00:54:17.340
It's not just an action piece for nothing.

1246
00:54:17.460 --> 00:54:19.260
No, that's right.

1247
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:22.920
Everything is very well kind of crafted, I think.

1248
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:26.400
Oh, I think this is beautifully acted this ending where she comes

1249
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:27.360
over to come for him.

1250
00:54:27.420 --> 00:54:28.320
I'm saying, isn't it?

1251
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:29.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1252
00:54:29.219 --> 00:54:31.139
Yeah, and he doesn't.

1253
00:54:31.139 --> 00:54:32.579
And he covers her, doesn't he?

1254
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:34.260
He says Marie...

1255
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:35.820
He says, don't, just be with me.

1256
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:38.280
I think offset that to people before, you know?

1257
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:41.400
Yeah, but that's it is.

1258
00:54:41.460 --> 00:54:42.480
Don't pity me.

1259
00:54:42.539 --> 00:54:43.559
Just sit here.

1260
00:54:43.619 --> 00:54:45.780
And I also like her, she says, no, I knew.

1261
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:47.760
Obviously, I knew. you know.

1262
00:54:47.820 --> 00:54:53.940
And that's, you know, once he admits to it, she's willing to admit

1263
00:54:53.940 --> 00:54:54.360
to it.

1264
00:54:54.420 --> 00:54:58.800
But she's not going to make him admit to it, and that's how she

1265
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:00.420
shows respect and love for him.

1266
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:01.260
I think it's really good.

1267
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:04.500
And you know, you shouldn't be able to watch a scene where 2

1268
00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:08.519
people this close with that ghastly makeup is this touching, but

1269
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:09.059
it really is.

1270
00:55:09.179 --> 00:55:12.840
Yeah, the makeup is kind of...

1271
00:55:12.900 --> 00:55:15.000
We do, we just love Odo, though, don't we?

1272
00:55:15.059 --> 00:55:16.019
Yeah, yeah.

1273
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:19.980
Oh, look at, look at...

1274
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:21.480
That's beautiful.

1275
00:55:21.539 --> 00:55:22.440
Gorgeous.

1276
00:55:22.500 --> 00:55:23.280
She's so good.

1277
00:55:23.340 --> 00:55:24.420
Jesus Christ, she's great.

1278
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:27.900
Man, they're foreign on all cylinders at this point.

1279
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:28.679
I think they are.

1280
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:29.880
It's really good.

1281
00:55:29.940 --> 00:55:31.199
They really great.

1282
00:55:31.260 --> 00:55:34.380
And there's only what, 3 more to go, isn't it?

1283
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:35.760
Yep.

1284
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:39.960
Extreme measures, dogs of war and what you leave behind. yeah.

1285
00:55:40.019 --> 00:55:45.719
And yeah, within those three, there's enormous development. still

1286
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:49.260
happen where this close to the end there's still a lot to do.

1287
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:52.199
What will happen with Dukat and win?

1288
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:53.639
Oh, yeah, who can say?

1289
00:55:53.699 --> 00:55:57.000
the only point where no answer the last 10 very exciting.

1290
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:01.440
Then I'll stop you.

1291
00:56:01.500 --> 00:56:04.139
Are you still here?

1292
00:56:05.219 --> 00:56:07.019
Emissary?

1293
00:56:07.019 --> 00:56:08.039
The book?

1294
00:56:09.300 --> 00:56:11.519
It's so great.

1295
00:56:11.579 --> 00:56:16.199
Although, and it is worth noting, though, that whilst some

1296
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:20.940
elements of that could be considered soapy, that's played much

1297
00:56:20.940 --> 00:56:24.719
more like a drama, this episode, compared to the changing face of

1298
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:27.119
evil, that's far more like a drama.

1299
00:56:27.179 --> 00:56:27.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1300
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:29.639
This is properly serious, I think.

1301
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:34.619
And both, you know, both the A and the B plot are probably

1302
00:56:34.619 --> 00:56:34.920
serious.

1303
00:56:34.980 --> 00:56:37.920
I mean, the C plot is a little bit disposable, but it's so that we

1304
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:41.039
don't have to have those scenes in next week's episode and so that

1305
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:44.159
Miles and Julian have something to do in this week's episode, I

1306
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:44.340
guess.

1307
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:47.940
Well, then I'm going to ask you, so we've covered Imogen the Sand

1308
00:56:47.940 --> 00:56:48.960
shadows and symbols.

1309
00:56:49.019 --> 00:56:52.199
Take me out to the hola suite, but I've beaten that a bang.

1310
00:56:52.260 --> 00:56:54.360
Treachery faith from the great river.

1311
00:56:54.420 --> 00:56:58.619
Change your face of evil, now tacking into the wind.

1312
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:01.679
I know you didn't like siege of AR 558 so much.

1313
00:57:01.739 --> 00:57:02.639
No.

1314
00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:04.920
Is DS9 going out on a high?

1315
00:57:04.980 --> 00:57:08.280
Oh yeah, I think this is a very, very good episode.

1316
00:57:08.340 --> 00:57:13.920
And I also think they're managing a lot of things and doing quite

1317
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:15.480
a good job of it.

1318
00:57:15.539 --> 00:57:19.380
I think they've set themselves a high bar, but they've really

1319
00:57:19.380 --> 00:57:22.559
properly worked. to make sure that everything kind of fits

1320
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.380
together and that everyone gets a decent payoff.

1321
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:30.179
And like I didn't really enjoy the B plot of this episode all that

1322
00:57:30.179 --> 00:57:30.539
much.

1323
00:57:30.659 --> 00:57:34.260
But I think it is the right way to go out.

1324
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:38.760
You know, it's going out the way that you came in rounding that

1325
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:39.300
off.

1326
00:57:39.300 --> 00:57:43.019
And we don't need Worf to do any particular character things for

1327
00:57:43.019 --> 00:57:44.159
the rest of the show.

1328
00:57:44.219 --> 00:57:49.079
His arc is kind of finished, and obviously he's got more to do in

1329
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:52.320
the next 3 episodes, but that's a good way of rounding it off.

1330
00:57:52.380 --> 00:57:54.179
So we've sorted wharf.

1331
00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:56.699
And I think we've kind of sorted Damara.

1332
00:57:56.760 --> 00:57:59.099
I know that he's in the final episode as well.

1333
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:02.219
But like we've done something proper with Damar.

1334
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:03.840
All of that stuff is really good.

1335
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:08.579
And I'm not sorry, the way that other people are, that we stopped

1336
00:58:08.579 --> 00:58:12.059
to do, take me out to the hola suite and better being better bang

1337
00:58:12.059 --> 00:58:17.159
during this season, that it wasn't all this, that even though Star

1338
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:19.139
Trek decided we're going to do this.

1339
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:22.079
We're going to do this war thing.

1340
00:58:22.139 --> 00:58:24.300
We still stop to have fun.

1341
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:29.099
And I think, you know, out of that list of season 7 episodes that

1342
00:58:29.099 --> 00:58:32.820
we've done, I still think that Take Me Out to the Holo Suite is my

1343
00:58:32.820 --> 00:58:34.559
favourite as a piece of TV.

1344
00:58:34.619 --> 00:58:36.300
I just think it's terrific.

1345
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.420
I think they time those episodes well.

1346
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:43.619
They do take me out to the hollow suite just after that big 3 part

1347
00:58:43.619 --> 00:58:48.119
end of series 6, beginning of series 7, and then the bada bing

1348
00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:50.460
bada bang, just before the 10 episode.

1349
00:58:50.460 --> 00:58:53.820
And end it with a song, which is called the best is yet to come.

1350
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:55.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1351
00:58:55.380 --> 00:58:57.719
And I was just reading this week, actually, a bit of trivia about

1352
00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:01.500
that where Ira Bear went, have you heard Avery Brooks's singing

1353
00:59:01.500 --> 00:59:01.920
voice?

1354
00:59:01.980 --> 00:59:04.619
Why did I put Captain Cisco singing a song?

1355
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:08.519
He goes, I knew I had to do it at some point in the series and

1356
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:09.659
this was my last shot.

1357
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:10.679
So we're doing it.

1358
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:13.619
Oh, he's so good.

1359
00:59:13.619 --> 00:59:16.019
Sometimes being indulgent is absolutely okay.

1360
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:16.860
Yeah.

1361
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:17.880
Yeah, I agree.

1362
00:59:17.940 --> 00:59:21.659
But yeah, there's there's really not too much to complain about

1363
00:59:21.659 --> 00:59:21.960
that.

1364
00:59:22.500 --> 00:59:26.519
I don't think there's a better episode after this, though.

1365
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:30.659
I feel like Extreme Measures is probably the weakest of the last

1366
00:59:30.659 --> 00:59:30.900
10.

1367
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:36.239
The Dogs of War is great, but it's got the Ferengi plot and the

1368
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:40.440
Cardassian plot and Tony, they're fighting each other quite a bit

1369
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:43.800
because it's very funny and very dramatic at the same time.

1370
00:59:43.860 --> 00:59:47.280
What you leave behind, I think, is a glorious ending, but there's

1371
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:51.480
just a few block conclusions that don't entirely land as well as

1372
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:51.960
they should.

1373
00:59:52.019 --> 00:59:57.059
But as a whole, I think season 7 of DS9 is one of the best years

1374
00:59:57.059 --> 00:59:57.900
of Star Trek.

1375
00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:01.440
It's certainly one of the most substantial years of Star Trek.

1376
01:00:07.500 --> 01:00:10.800
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1377
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:18.300
learn what we're doing next time in episode 101 and the choice is

1378
01:00:18.300 --> 01:00:18.780
mine.

1379
01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:20.880
Do you want to ask me what we're doing?

1380
01:00:20.940 --> 01:00:23.039
I would like to ask you what we're doing.

1381
01:00:23.099 --> 01:00:23.400
Yes.

1382
01:00:23.460 --> 01:00:26.760
We are doing Star Trek from the 1960s.

1383
01:00:26.820 --> 01:00:29.820
So that means the original series.

1384
01:00:29.820 --> 01:00:32.940
Is the animated series the 60s?

1385
01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:33.239
Probably not.

1386
01:00:33.300 --> 01:00:38.099
That's from the 70s, but it is the 70s, yeah, because we finish in

1387
01:00:38.099 --> 01:00:39.059
1969.

1388
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:40.619
It's the long 60s.

1389
01:00:40.739 --> 01:00:42.000
So we'll do.

1390
01:00:42.059 --> 01:00:44.579
You should put in strange new Wales and do that whole period.

1391
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:45.780
You know, that's...

1392
01:00:45.780 --> 01:00:49.619
I don't want to, I don't want to use up straight to you worlds too

1393
01:00:49.619 --> 01:00:49.980
early.

1394
01:00:49.980 --> 01:00:52.320
So good, good.

1395
01:00:52.380 --> 01:00:53.880
I know, I know, I know it's so great.

1396
01:00:53.940 --> 01:00:56.340
We could do discovery if we're doing the period as well.

1397
01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.679
We haven't done that for a while.

1398
01:00:58.739 --> 01:01:00.659
We've done a fair bit of 90s trek.

1399
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:02.639
So let's see what we get.

1400
01:01:03.780 --> 01:01:06.059
The Galileo 7.

1401
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:08.460
We cover this episode in episode 84.

1402
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:09.780
It's wonderful.

1403
01:01:09.780 --> 01:01:11.159
Monkey Men.

1404
01:01:11.219 --> 01:01:13.139
The cage.

1405
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:16.019
So that's the pilot, the 1st pilot.

1406
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:17.280
The original pilot.

1407
01:01:17.340 --> 01:01:21.420
Ooh, that could be interesting. should do a bit of digging into

1408
01:01:21.420 --> 01:01:23.219
the changes that were made and why.

1409
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:24.360
Yeah.

1410
01:01:24.420 --> 01:01:25.139
What do you think?

1411
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:27.000
It's the 1st one.

1412
01:01:27.059 --> 01:01:31.860
It is like the one we did uh for Discovery.

1413
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:33.599
I can't remember memory serves.

1414
01:01:33.659 --> 01:01:34.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1415
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:35.639
Memory, sir.

1416
01:01:35.699 --> 01:01:37.739
It is very worthy and a bit.

1417
01:01:37.739 --> 01:01:38.460
It is very worthy.

1418
01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:39.119
And you know what?

1419
01:01:39.179 --> 01:01:41.219
a lot of fun with TOS.

1420
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:42.179
Yeah.

1421
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:42.659
All right.

1422
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:47.039
Let's see if we can manage that Bem, episode 74.

1423
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:50.039
Oh, that was a classic.

1424
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:52.139
Obsession.

1425
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:54.179
What's that?

1426
01:01:54.300 --> 01:01:56.039
I have no idea.

1427
01:01:56.099 --> 01:01:58.920
I think I've even heard of an episode called Obsession.

1428
01:01:59.820 --> 01:02:01.800
That's not a good sign.

1429
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:02.519
Hang on.

1430
01:02:02.579 --> 01:02:03.659
I'll have a look.

1431
01:02:04.139 --> 01:02:08.940
Kirk becomes convinced that a deadly gaseous cloud is an

1432
01:02:08.940 --> 01:02:09.719
intelligent being.

1433
01:02:09.780 --> 01:02:11.699
That sounds like every 2 is episode.

1434
01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:16.260
The same that killed 200 crew members aboard the USS Farragut on

1435
01:02:16.260 --> 01:02:18.480
which Kirk served 11 years earlier.

1436
01:02:18.539 --> 01:02:20.880
3.5 stars out of four.

1437
01:02:20.940 --> 01:02:22.440
Oh, okay.

1438
01:02:22.500 --> 01:02:25.019
It'll be terrible then if Jeremy gives it 3.5 .

1439
01:02:25.860 --> 01:02:27.480
Or just sort of try it.

1440
01:02:27.539 --> 01:02:28.980
Very serious, you know?

1441
01:02:29.219 --> 01:02:33.360
He says the plot is tight, the use of characters is effective and

1442
01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:35.099
the punchy finale is exciting.

1443
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:38.519
Yeah, I think that, no, I'm not convinced.

1444
01:02:38.579 --> 01:02:39.599
That's going to be the case.

1445
01:02:39.659 --> 01:02:42.360
It does actually sell it to me more, I think.

1446
01:02:42.420 --> 01:02:43.860
I think we should do it.

1447
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:45.059
It's kind of weird.

1448
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:49.320
I mean, when it came up, it was literally, I have never heard of a

1449
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:51.119
Star Trek episode, God, Obsession.

1450
01:02:51.179 --> 01:02:53.039
So I know nothing about this at all.

1451
01:02:53.099 --> 01:02:58.139
If it's about a gas cloud, then I am getting happy, happy memories

1452
01:02:58.139 --> 01:03:02.460
from Lonely Among Us, which also featured a sentient gas cloud.

1453
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:06.300
And there's been so many characters throughout the Star Trek

1454
01:03:06.300 --> 01:03:08.159
franchise that I've been obsessed about.

1455
01:03:08.219 --> 01:03:11.039
There's probably about 50 episodes you could call Obsession.

1456
01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:12.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1457
01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:16.500
The one with the crystalline entity and that crazy woman in it, the

1458
01:03:16.500 --> 01:03:20.760
one with the court case with Admiral Satay in it.

1459
01:03:20.820 --> 01:03:21.900
You could have called that obsession.

1460
01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:23.280
Yeah, yeah, she's obsessed.

1461
01:03:23.340 --> 01:03:26.820
Seven of 9 gets obsessed with those conspiracy theories on

1462
01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:27.420
Voyager.

1463
01:03:27.539 --> 01:03:31.079
The feeling it's Captain Kirk that's obsessed in this episode.

1464
01:03:31.139 --> 01:03:33.239
Yep, with a gas cloud.

1465
01:03:33.300 --> 01:03:34.380
I think I'm there.

1466
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:38.699
I think Captain Kirk is obsessed with a sentient cast cloud, has

1467
01:03:38.699 --> 01:03:39.900
sold that.

1468
01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:42.659
And like a whole bunch of William Shatner just sounds like an

1469
01:03:42.659 --> 01:03:43.860
enticing prospect to me.

1470
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:45.059
All right.

1471
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:46.320
I think we definitely do it.

1472
01:03:46.380 --> 01:03:47.039
That's no one.

1473
01:03:47.099 --> 01:03:47.460
Yeah.

1474
01:03:56.519 --> 01:04:00.059
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1475
01:04:00.059 --> 01:04:04.260
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project

1476
01:04:03.300 --> 01:04:07.019
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1477
01:04:07.019 --> 01:04:07.980
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1478
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:11.940
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1479
01:04:11.940 --> 01:04:13.559
composed by Cameron Lam.

1480
01:04:13.619 --> 01:04:17.760
This episode was recorded on the 27th of February 2024 and

1481
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:19.320
released on the 8th of March.

1482
01:04:19.380 --> 01:04:23.099
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the original series

1483
01:04:23.099 --> 01:04:23.579
Obsession.

1484
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:42.780
Don't you love it in this when Kira has to pretend to be the

1485
01:04:42.780 --> 01:04:44.460
vorter?

1486
01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:46.440
And she's going...

1487
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:47.159
Hang on.

1488
01:04:47.219 --> 01:04:49.139
She's going...

1489
01:04:49.139 --> 01:04:52.199
She's doing a sexy thing, but she's also doing her weird haulty

1490
01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:54.480
alien thing, which I think is really funny.

1491
01:04:54.539 --> 01:04:55.199
She's great.

1492
01:04:55.260 --> 01:04:57.659
But yes, she's being the secretary.

1493
01:04:58.260 --> 01:05:02.099
We get a fabulous sort of close-up.

1494
01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:06.840
If they don't finish the brain weapon inside. then we're dead.

1495
01:05:06.900 --> 01:05:09.360
I really like that thing, though.

1496
01:05:09.420 --> 01:05:12.000
I know that's cheesy as hell but that absolutely landed with me.

1497
01:05:12.059 --> 01:05:13.500
I think it's so good.

1498
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:15.000
I know such a great twist.

1499
01:05:15.059 --> 01:05:19.920
I'm not sure. he's doing differently, but some of that handheld

1500
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:20.760
camera work.

1501
01:05:20.820 --> 01:05:22.079
Who is it?

1502
01:05:22.139 --> 01:05:25.380
It's, uh, it's the best director they got at this point.

1503
01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:26.400
Yeah, he's brilliant.

1504
01:05:26.460 --> 01:05:27.960
He did change the face of evil as well.

1505
01:05:28.019 --> 01:05:28.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1506
01:05:28.860 --> 01:05:31.679
But he's sort of doing this really interesting sort of handheld

1507
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:35.579
camera work where I'm like, is that a POV shot?

1508
01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:36.539
I not sure what's happening.

1509
01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:39.599
It's just more interesting than what I normally see on this show

1510
01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:39.900
you know?

1511
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:40.679
Yeah, yeah.

1512
01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:44.880
So this is 2 episodes after changing Face of Evil.

1513
01:05:44.940 --> 01:05:47.639
What happened the episode before this?

1514
01:05:47.699 --> 01:05:51.960
So when it, when it rains is between this, and that's the episode

1515
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:56.400
where, um, Ducat and Win.

1516
01:05:56.460 --> 01:06:00.599
Um, she's like, you can't look at this book and he goes to look at

1517
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:03.179
it and he's blinded and she chucks him out.

1518
01:06:03.179 --> 01:06:04.679
She strays him out. a beggar.

1519
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:11.219
And it's also where Bashir starts doing and he realises that the

1520
01:06:11.219 --> 01:06:13.440
Section 31 engineered the virus.

1521
01:06:13.500 --> 01:06:15.239
Isn't that this episode, no?

1522
01:06:15.300 --> 01:06:17.519
No, well, he's already, he already knows that.

1523
01:06:17.579 --> 01:06:18.420
Oh, yeah.

1524
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:19.980
So that's that's that episode as well.

1525
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:22.380
And it's the episode that brings in Gow as well.

1526
01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:25.980
And Garron's initially like, you know, if you're a friend of

1527
01:06:25.980 --> 01:06:31.139
Martok, then you're a friend of mine to wharf after, you know, like

1528
01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:33.000
his 2nd discommendation.

1529
01:06:33.059 --> 01:06:35.940
And that wonderful bit where, what is that in this one?

1530
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:41.099
they all blow into one. where it's the Klingon ceremony and Cisco

1531
01:06:41.099 --> 01:06:43.079
goes to boring Admiral Ross.

1532
01:06:43.139 --> 01:06:45.659
Oh, we're next, by the way, or whilst they're all cutting their

1533
01:06:45.659 --> 01:06:45.960
hands.

1534
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:47.699
And Roscoe's.

1535
01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:49.739
Abir Rosco's, you're joking.

1536
01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:53.099
And then there's a big close-up on his face like, oh, shit.

1537
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:55.199
And he goes, oh, it still stings.

1538
01:06:55.260 --> 01:06:56.820
Oh God.

1539
01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:58.199
Barry.

1540
01:06:58.260 --> 01:06:59.699
Fucking Barry.

1541
01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:01.559
He's dead now.

1542
01:07:01.619 --> 01:07:02.159
He is dead.

1543
01:07:02.219 --> 01:07:05.820
Yes, day mortal, you snill, nissy bon on my note, but

1544
01:07:05.820 --> 01:07:06.719
nevertheless.

1545
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:10.800
All righty.

1546
01:07:10.860 --> 01:07:11.880
Okay, we'll go in.

1547
01:07:11.940 --> 01:07:12.900
In we go.

1548
01:07:14.099 --> 01:07:17.039
Hey, Joe. Hi.